Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

re post from last thread:

Sister Rebellious Renee,

"Dooty..... it's great to see you here again! I've really missed you...."

thanks I had to let the air clear out a little. For a while it smelled a lot like an out house here.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty

And he did a great job in the other part of his speech, calling for an unprecedented national dialogue on race.

I do not believe it is unprecedented. I think President Clinton began a national dialogue on race.

Hi Craig. I disagree. I think Obama saw his pastor's comments in a broader context, and spoke to all types of division among Americans, who can still work to make this union greater.

He also had an interesting subtext about the contemporary America growing past the lessons of Rev. Wright's upbringing.

I thought it was all of a part.

[repost]

OD:

"Audiences are deceived by the techniques, but familiarity will result in contempt."

Yeah - but it took more than 10 years for this to happen with the Clintons - so Obama has at least one good term in him!!

But I do agree with this.

"many voters would rather talk about something else."
Both in the Clinton era and now.

Dooty,

Did you see this on previous thread?

"Horsedooty,

Where did that come from? It was a joke about all parents playing all children in a card game that involves reacting very rapidly to input and moving to slap before anyone else can get there.

It had absolutely nothing to do with race."

Craig's last line: But if he is saying that a healing conversation about race requires better understanding of his crazy preacher, many voters would rather talk about something else.

No, but he was saying that it's a complicated, multifaceted issue. Which does not come down to soundbites on Fox News.

Maybe "many" voters would rather talk about something else. But that is how problems fester and fester.

I think it's an interesting speech, and maybe will get some play in pulpits this Sunday, when Christians gather to celebrate renewal.

"But if he is saying that a healing conversation about race requires better understanding of his crazy preacher, many voters would rather talk about something else."

Than it will not be the entire conversation that needs to be had.

No one is saying people have to agree with the crazy shit that comes out of Wright's mouth (as well as others - including some crazy white people). Or even that you need to support his right to say it (but now we are getting into a dicey issue). And no one is questioning the fact that such statements should be condemned - because they only make the problem worse.

All Obama is saying is that people on both sides of the debate - need to at least have a bit of understanding from where the other side is coming from. And that goes both ways people.

Back to work peeps. Talk to ya lata...

yeah I saw it. I been looking for the context of which you refer but I can not find it. If you would kindly point out where I missed the rest of the statement I would be very happy to read it.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty

do not believe it is unprecedented. I think President Clinton began a national dialogue on race.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker

President Clinton began a national dialog on sex :)

thanks I had to let the air clear out a little. For a while it smelled a lot like an out house here.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty

Posted by: Horsedooty! | March 18, 2008 1:05 PM

Sorry but it still does.

It looks as if both Michigan and Florida are dead except for making some sort of case to the Credentials committee. The Obama crowd wouldn't cooperate with any of many suggestions, so they have probably doomed any chance of a Clinton nomination.

Craig said, the one who wants it most wins. So slash and burn, lie through your teeth, cut them off at the knees, and throw mud and slander from the oh so transcendant politician seems to be working.

hear-hear, Nancy

But I thought you said your candidate was not likely to be nominated? So her tactics are working?

Craig....
I do not think Obama's preacher is crazy.....
I think his portrayal of 9/11 happening because of blowback from this country's policies is spot on.....

I think the right wing noise machine is crazy...... they are the ones formating hate....

I'm not thrilled with what Rev. Wright said about Hillary..... although I do understand it.....

I still think that Clinton would be a better candidate for the presidency...... but Obama did a superb job today in making this Clinton supporter feel a little better about him if he's the Democratic nominee....

GO DEMOCRATS!

""Do not teach it to your children. They have faster reflexes and you will get injured. :-)"

It couldn't be much clearer than "your children".

President Clinton began a national dialog on sex :)

Posted by: Nancy | March 18, 2008 1:15 PM

As opposed to the endless discussion of JFK's sex life'
and even someone special liked Ike.

No, but he was saying that it's a complicated, multifaceted issue. Which does not come down to soundbites on Fox News.

Maybe "many" voters would rather talk about something else. But that is how problems fester and fester.

Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 18, 2008 1:10 PM

Sorry, but since when have the average voter been competent in handling complicated, multifaceted issues?

Reverend Wright has said some things that I agree with... Saying "GODDAMN AMERICA" is not one of them. His assault on Hillary was particularly egregious. Now I step out of the chat. Chat bully's back.

Nancy: I am a big fan of President Bill Clinton. He was a good president, and left office with a high approval rating despite his personal failings.

But I do remember being told the beginning of a sex joke by a 4th grader. (Had to stop the little guy before the punch line, but did not appreciate our president for making himself the butt of it.)

Until the Spitzer maelstrom, I always wondered why WJC did not just admit, well, yes, I strayed with that woman and deeply regret it. Because, unlike Spitzer, he had a reputation as a hound dog. I think he would have survived the fuss.

"So her tactics are working?"

No, but Senator Obama's certainly are. Block the votes of two million plus people because if would advantage Sen. Clinton.

"So her tactics are working?"

No, but Senator Obama's certainly are. Block the votes of two million plus people because if would advantage Sen. Clinton.

Posted by: Jamie | March 18, 2008 1:28 PM

Jamie, before I log off... what do you think will be the result of this Michigan/Florida debacle ? Do you think people will still vote enthusiastically ? Do you think it will have a big difference? no difference? small difference?

And is Obama truly electable?

Tom

EuroTom: sometimes the average voter pays more attention than you think; sometimes not.

You clearly "get it", that Wright says some sensible things in addition to the crap.

We live in very unsettling times, with great economic uncertainty, and I suspect the voters will pay more attention this year, rather than phoning it in.

Personally I am more concerned about Obama as a Christian. I believe religion has no role in government.

What actions did Barack Obama take to express his disagreement with the offensive,disgusting statements made from the pulpit of his church for many years?

Now that Obama admits he was in the pew when offensive comments were made, what action did he take when these events occurred.

A press conference taking all questions is in order. He will either deal with them or he won't.

His answers will determine whether his speech today was sincere or whether it is a finely crafted rendition of the Checkers speech.

"I believe religion has no role in government."

Now that we can agree on..

EuroTom: sometimes the average voter pays more attention than you think; sometimes not.

You clearly "get it", that Wright says some sensible things in addition to the crap.

We live in very unsettling times, with great economic uncertainty, and I suspect the voters will pay more attention this year, rather than phoning it in.

Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 18, 2008 1:30 PM

I really hope you are right. We should be questioning foreign policy decisions that were done in our name. We should question the power of lobbyists, the multinationals, and the super-rich running our country. We have to confront the issue of race, though I will say that it's usually couched as non-whites are correct and whites are salivating racists... and I think that's unfair. But even when there are big disagreements, if we are dialoging we are at least reaching out...

Tom

Jamie: you see it that way because you are a Clinton supporter. KGC has also been venting about "disenfranchising the voters."

But that was a spectacularly mishandled set of primaries, and in neither case was it a fair showing.

I saw a lot of interviews with Florida voters who were worried the revote would open their state up to more criticism, since it and Katherine Harris and Theresa Lepore saddled us with the Great American presently in office.

EuroTom: I think the voters will vote in November based on who they'd prefer for president. It's too big an election to stay home. But I hope a lot of them yell at the powers that landed them in "my vote's in limbo" situation. Perhaps this particular debacle will not soon be repeated.

I wish we'd see rotating regional primaries in the future. And enough of Iowa. Why can't Missouri or another neighbor go first?

I normally don't agree with Debra Saunders but this is a pretty good column on the issue and why it has come up.

She suggests all sides take a step back.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/18/ED47VLAPA.DTL&type=printable

Jamie said, "Do not teach it to your children. They have faster reflexes and you will get injured. :-)"

It couldn't be much clearer than "your children"."

Whose children does the word "They" mean? Does that mean they are different? Of color? That is how it reads from my point of view.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty

"But that was a spectacularly mishandled set of primaries, and in neither case was it a fair showing'

And that is your view based on being an Obama supporter. For someone so concerned about tone
you should park your snarkmobile at the door.

EuroTom:

"Sorry, but since when have the average voter been competent in handling complicated, multifaceted issues?"

Since someone took the time to explain it to them.

The difficulty of monogamy. NYTimes top emailed item today:

In Most Species, Faithfulness is a Fantasy.

Science Times was quick on tying this to the Spitzer imbroglio. Who knew it would be appearing on same day new Gov. Paterson and his wife are providing TMI about their marriage?

Somewhere, Bill Clinton is laughing ruefully.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/science/18angi.html?ei=5087&em=&en=e6fb96f076c0bce0&ex=1205985600&pagewanted=all

Now that Obama admits he was in the pew when offensive comments were made, what action did he take when these events occurred.

Posted by: Oregon Democrat | March 18, 2008 1:31 PM

I think he didn't find them offensive. If I were a member of that church and the MSM never addressed things like our foreign policy, I would feel "right on"... in fact, in many ways I do feel "right on"... Remember all the mystification after 9/11? Americans were asking, absolutely dumbfounded, "why do they HATE us?" Most of us know the answers to this. And it's complicated and rooted long in our history.

And it's rooted also in the way corporate media creates, manipulates and controls the message.

Didn't see the speech, might later on. It is pretty clear from the comments here that it isn't changing anybody's minds, supporters support, detractors detract. Undecideds probably will probably hear more about the cause of the speech than the speech itself. Net effect still bad for Obama.

"It couldn't be much clearer than "your children"."

Whose children does the word "They" mean? Does that mean they are different? Of color? That is how it reads from my point of view.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty"

LOL
Dooty,
you screwed up and jumped to a false conclusion.
Quit embarrassing yourself.

Apologize and move on.

It is what an adult does in these situations.

Jack

Do you think people's attitudes have changed that much?

Poor Patty Murray, all she did was suggest we should try to understand Bin Laden and was practically ridden out of town.
http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-11816.html

KGC:

"Personally I am more concerned about Obama as a Christian. I believe religion has no role in government."

Keep saying this. It will help Obama with evangelicals against McCain.

Oh my, Horsedooty! Take a nap! Get some rest please.

please don't tell me what conclusion to jump to Whsky Jack after all jumping to conclusions is most of the exercise I get.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty

My suspicion is that Obama holds views that are inconsistent with his campaign pronouncements.

I will be very surprised if he is the nominee for President.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if equally offensive comments had been made from the pulpit of a church where Hillary had been a member for many years.

Horse simple grammar answers your question. "They" are the children refered to in the previous sentence. It would have to read "They have faster reflexes and YOUR CHILDRED will get injured.

dog, I do not thnk Obama's speech will get much airtime in many churches Sunday. I believe there is an event that Christians believe occured a couple thousand years ago that may serve to supplant consideration of things political;.

KC, I may be naive about these things, but I believe tht Nancy's comment about Bill is what they call "snarky."

OD, I like you, and hope you're not holding your breath for that press conference.

"please don't tell me what conclusion to jump to Whsky Jack after all jumping to conclusions is most of the exercise I get.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty"

Your choice, Your reputation

Jack

Warren said: "All Obama is saying is that people on both sides of the debate - need to at least have a bit of understanding from where the other side is coming from. And that goes both ways people."

I don't see it as being a two sided issue.

There are so many other issues of great importance:

--Native Americans
--Antisemitism
--The plethora of womens' and girls' issues
--Poverty in general
--Sexual orientation
--Obligations to veterans
--Immigration
--Retraining of workers
--Reproductive rights
--Appalling rates of incarceration
--Obligation of affluent people of _all_ races in furthering social progress
--Who has the right/obligation of defining what is socially correct
--Assimilation/non assimilation of other minorties
--Healthcare

Those are just some of the social problems we need address.

Obviously it is not a two sided problem--if we think of it as a black-white problem, we will never solve a single thing.

And, you'll notice I haven't talked about mundane things such as trade, energy, national defense, etc.

"Poor Patty Murray, all she did was suggest we should try to understand Bin Laden and was practically ridden out of town."

We're a tough crowd up here KC.:)

I'm still upset with her about supporting HRC. She better cut that shit out!

Spelling correction YOUR CHILDREN

OD:

I am sure the rhetoric is not so firey in a Church filled with rich white people. What the hell would they have to be so damn upset over?

And we would have to go back a long way to find her in a Church filled with poor people (at least a visit that was not a political photo op) - since the Clintons have been rich and powerful for soooo long.

(ok - really back to work - I have pissed off enough people for now)

Joe Wilson is speaking with Hillary Clinton in PA right now -- re bringing the troops home from Iraq.

"I wonder what the reaction would have been if equally offensive comments had been made from the pulpit of a church where Hillary had been a member for many years"

We sure as hell wouldn't be talking about it now.
It would have come out sometime around the first of January, I imagin.

Jack

Flatus:

I completely agree.

I think all parties to a debate need to be understood.

(but of course every once and awhile it pays to have some "break out" groups)

"since the Clintons have been rich and powerful for soooo long."

*snort*
They didn't teach much history in your school either.

Jack

Boy, if that is what was really said in that statement then I do apologize. I maintain it was very ambiguous and at least for me very poorly stated.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty

My, some from the Church of Obama are getting pretty angry.

Fellow Democrats..Unite and support Hillary Clinton, the next President of the United States.

Jack

Keep of with the news. Senator Clinton has already been critized for a) her association with Rev Billy Graham (for his antisemtic remarks) and b) for being a member of the Methodist church which recognized gay marriage.

Dooty,

"They" being your children since "YOU" are the one getting injured by them.

I'm sorry I didn't phrase that better. If I had thought for a second anyone would read it the way you did, I definitely would have made it clearer in some fashion.

Here's what I know: the first divisive shit thrown in this campaign came from Obama and it was directed against older Americans. The VERY next thing I heard was when a reporter on NPR said an Obama staffer had tried to get Bill Clinton's sex life post-White House investigated.

So as far as I'm concerned, all this "Clintonian tactics"
talk is -- well, a fairy tale......

I've heard some fairly provocative Episcopalian sermons, but the language is never that controversial, more thought provoking to inspire better behavior & forgiveness. If you stick with the Book of Common Prayer you can't go wrong. But we do have our contraversy, our Bishop is gay and that has caosed some issues with some of the more conservative groups in the church worldwide.

I think that I need a new keyboard. The keys are in the wrong place so my words look mis-spelled.

ET,

I think that unless the MI and FL situation is resolved in some way, it will create a lot of bitterness. Whether or not this will keep them from voting there is no way of knowing until we at least get to the convention. Those people voted in the majority for Sen Clinton. If they feel she was cheated out of that support, you could have a blacklash against Sen. Obama since he seems pretty assured (barring total unknowns) of getting the nomination.

Is he electable? Of course he is. I doubt I will be one of the votes, but people are pretty fed up with Republicans. McCain is old and tied to both Bush and the war. If the issue is the economy more than the war, then McCain will lose unless there is a major backlash from the Clinton supporters.

Who is Nancy?

KGC
And as I remember both of them were first made some time ago. Kinda proves my point.
This is the first strike of the Republican racial attacks.

Jack

Warren

"I am sure the rhetoric is not so firey in a Church filled with rich white people. What the hell would they have to be so damn upset over?"

That is truly unfair. First she is a Methodist. You don't get much more middle class than Methodist. Second, her early church leader took her to areas of poverty to work. Third she has done a lot of work with Marian Wright Edelman, so I'm sure that involved being in black churches for reasons other than the political.

Be opposed to Clinton if you must, but don't minimize her as some noblesse oblige rich woman dropping in on the lower classes.

I'm off to go talk to "Dr. Hartley". Today is the first time. I hope his couch is comfy.

Who is Nancy?

Someones sock puppet, I've got a couple of guesses but no proof.

Jack

Judgement is one of the issues. BO has shown poor judgement on at least 4 items. Afghanistan - he held not a single meeting. Rezko, Wright, Ayers..

Does Bo not realize that the actions that you take in your personal life reflect the outcome of your whole life.

Craig, you have your board and your opinions. I also have my opinions.

Well, the troll is back (as one “individual” called me). Actually, I’ve given up posting on most sites [most definitely this one] because they are too inciteful, not insightful. Notice the part of insightful that really means something: SIGHT! The real trolls on here are you who can’t look beyond a period in history you THOUGHT was great because of two people who knew how to work the system. These same two people still want to work the system (with their wink, wink, nod, nods), but this time it is to make history for themselves. They do not give a damn about this country. It is all about THEM. They dig and dig and they have their Penn’s and their other sleazes out there digging so they can MAKE HISTORY. Those two will scratch, dig and do anything to concur even at the expense of the Democratic Party; Republicans will win when that happens. And, if you were born yesterday, THEY want to run against HRC.

As for Obama’s speech…it is probably the best speech to come along since Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream”. He spoke of how this country is still divided. Only he, not either of the Clintons, could have given this speech. Did Obama diss his pastor? No, but then he said he did not agree with everything his pastor always says.

Possibly some of you do not attend church. For those who do attend, how many times has your pastor said something that does not coincide with your beliefs? As a liberal I have almost gotten up and walked out from my hometown church, but then I have to remember how they think and the warp in which they live. If you have ever come from the fundamentalist areas of the country, you will know about what I am saying. Why do you stay in your church? Well, I would think it is the same as Obama…you have seen more good in your pastor and your congregation than evil.

Don’t tell me all individuals in their congregations believe everything their pastor says. If you do, you have a rare congregation, are probably not listening or just think being in church “makes you good”. One thing about most of you here…you definitely don’t need to agree to disagree when you are all saying the same thing?

Warren, you rock brother. I give it to you to keep trying. Your task is difficult with this closed-minded group. The press seems to be picking up the comments from these blogs and how divided this country actually is. The Clintons, et al, have most certainly propagated that division, to the delight of McCain. This is where Barack Obama can make a difference in this country, something the Clintons will never, ever, ever in their lifetime be able to do.

BTW, many of your blog names say much about you as people, especially those with the Hussein included. You like to include that as defamatory, but perhaps you don’t know that one of our best allies was King Hussein of Jordan who “successfully balanced the pressures of Arab nationalism and the allure of Western-style development against the stark reality of Jordan's geographic location”. Even Reagan said “King Hussein has led Jordan with strength and wisdom”.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_v84/ai_3200102

KGC, your comment is like saying Obama is too black and then he is not black enough. Now you are saying, after many tried to say he is a Muslim, that he is too Christian. God Almighty.

Patsi

Nancy has posted over the last few days could be longer.

And I think a few others are new besides Heather.
Mary Kitt Neal is another at least new to me.

Welcome to you all.

Whsky Jack said, "Your choice, Your reputation

Jack"

What reputation is that Jack? I am already thought of as a "Chat Bully" by one of the European members of this blog.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

I was expecting a CWA speech from Obama this noon, but instead I got a great speech.
Not only did Obama hit a home run, touching all the bases, he hit a grand slam, lumping the controversy of Wright with the bitterness of an old Marine pre-baby boomer preacher, suffering still with social injustices of decades past.
I agree with Craig to a degree, there was enough here to cover two major speeches, but I also believe Obama interwove both topics seamlessly. I was impressed...totally.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Imus wasn't "getting" Craig Crawford 's video TrailMix.
Also, Craig asked Karrith Foster "...would you date him"? (Craig).
"NO!" she shouted.
Then Bernard McGuirk blurted out "He has dated Helen Thomas!", trying to be funny, I guess. Of course, TrailMixers all know Helen and Craig are great friends.
A great appearance, Craig, but man, isn't Imus a whore?
Just because some single-cup coffee maker is sponsoring the show, now, did he have to diss the Tassimo like that?

Karolenna

The ones with "Hussein" in their names are the supporters of Sen. Obama. They started that when it was a fashion after all those rabid right wing emails and preacher comments.

.

killfile

Posted by: Karolenna | March 18, 2008 2:11 PM

CYA, 'Scuse moi...

Jamie

The Reverend Emanuel Clever, my congress critter, is a Methodist minister.
Here are some of his sermons
http://www.stjamesumc.com/podcast/

lol , He is not your stereotypical black preacher, there is a reason he went into politics.

Jack

gee, sorry again, I meant Imus asked Karrith , of course

Doots: " I maintain it was very ambiguous and at least for me very poorly stated."

Jamie: "I'm sorry I didn't phrase that better. If I had thought for a second anyone would read it the way you did, I definitely would have made it clearer"

Well, this is what we've come to. No matter what is said now, somebody screams "racist code"!!!! (Yeah, Doots, I'm talkin' to you.....and about a million others....)

The comment about the game of "slap" was perfectly clear. But Doots read it and instead of "they" you saw "those people" and reacted.

Gone are the good old days when my son and one of his (black) teammates on the Hillsboro football team started floating the rumor that blacks ran track better because they had an extra bone in their feet. They laughed their butts off because so many believed it. Some folks now would probably send them both to detention.

Dexter said, "A great appearance, Craig, but man, isn't Imus a whore?
Just because some single-cup coffee maker is sponsoring the show, now, did he have to diss the Tassimo like that?"

Imus dis the Tassimo? You must not have heard Andy Rooney dis it on the old Imus. That was dissing!

And why shouldn't he dis it?

Jack,

If you are a Methodist then you can understand what amounts almost to a compulsion to do "good works" in Sen Clinton who was raised as one. Ages ago I posted a link to the "Chatauqua" movement with a note that Methodists can't even give themselves permission to go to summer camp without learning something new. :-)

Jack,

You aren't the "chat bully"

Oh, I'm as certain as I can be that they never assembled bombers at Fort Leavenworth.

Despite that, there's an amazing amount of history associated with that beautiful old fort.

Welcome to you all.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker

Thank you Katherine.

then there are two of us Jack

I was called that by ET several threads ago.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Jack

Posted by: WhskyJack | March 18, 2008 2:07 PM

They may have come up years ago for that matter but it was topic one on the Obama supporting blogs once the Obama/Wright story broke. Everything old is new again. Quotes from the Clinton book about turning to Graham for strength and then every antianything politically incorrect that he has ever said. Demanding that Clinton disavow him.

From the far right more accusations that the stand of the Methodist church proves she is a lesbian.

All part of last weeks stories.

Doots -- I don't think you are a chat bully. But I do believe you are a lesbian.

my goodness...Karolenna has certainly worked herself into a lather today!!

LMAO!!

there is a big prison at Fort Leavenworth but no a/c assembly that I am aware of.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Doots -- I don't think you are a chat bully. But I do believe you are a lesbian.

LoL , I guess you just can't hide some things.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

I got the feeling from Obama's comments that he was infact defending his pastor as such a wonderful person. Garbage.
I also am concerned about his children and what they heard from this pastor. Does he not care about this?
IF he did hear Wright's comments when in church he out right LIED. Also his judgment is called to question.
He gives a good speech but that is it and I think there is more to come about this man.
I am really tired of how put upon the blacks are. What about the women and children living in abusive environments. My son is a prosecutor and he is amazed at how some blacks put upon themselves and kill and rape their own race. I realize whites do it also but we don't cry foul because we are white.

besides I was raised as a Presbyterian not a Methodist.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Who are the Frozen Chosen? Presbys or Meth heads?

I like Presbyterians. The idea of building a concensus as part of church governance is a good skill for a church to be teaching.

Hi Bear,

I think it is the Presbys or at least that is what I have always heard.

How's your health these days?

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Bear

Episcopalians

Bowman!!! I have one of those keyboards, too!!! lol

re: the slap game or skin game - I remember playing it with this one certain 12 year old when I was about 40 - I still remember how sore my hands were - I 'm guessing her palm hurt from slapping the back of my hand. She just looked me in the eye and WHACK!! with a little grin on her face.

Afternoon econ news - Fed cut interest rates 3/4 pts. The market should soar. Dow's up 191.

As for Obama's speech, as I said, I read it and thought it was pretty good. Had it been written after he won the presidential race and been more inclusive of other problems this country has \, it might have been great. As it is, it's just a good stump speech. I'm not saying I buy it, but it was a pretty good CYA speech. The difference between it and the great speeches referred to by others is its raison d'etre. The other speeches were written to inspire others to act in a way consistent with a vision of a better world and made in very different contexts. This speech was written in the midst of a political campaign to explain away and deflect attention from damaging statements made by the press and yes, supporters of Obama's opponent in the primaries, about an influential figure throughout Obama's political development. That is why no one will be talking about this speech 6 months from now.

Jamie said:
"Jack,

You aren't the "chat bully""

But the day is young and I could try reeeeeeeal hard.

Jack

Flatus,

I think he's just conflated this family history. I don't think for any devious reasons.

"She gave birth to their daughter on the base at Fort Leavenworth, and worked on a bomber assembly line when he left for war." 1/29/07

"My mother was born at Fort Leavenworth and my grandmother worked on a bomber assembly line."8/07

Just double checked. It is Prebyterians.

Frozen Chosen

http://www.jargondatabase.com/Jargon.aspx?id=166

Bear, not to be confused with Frozen Chosin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chosin_Reservoir

God's Frozen People

http://www.jargondatabase.com/Jargon.aspx?id=1060

Jack, HD, try as you might, ET wasn't referring to you.

Just bored,
"Everything old is new again"

I believe that explains most all the attacks, except those calling her racist.

Jack

Dooty,

I'm surviving...

This is a page I suggest you all visit today...

http://act.credomobile.com/campaign/support_troops/?qp_source=122

Let me see if I understand what everyone is saying here.

Obama should have thrown his Pastor and Friend under the bus.

Yet the Clinton's have yet to throw Jessie Jackson under the bus. Or have all you Clinton supporters forgot that right after Bill got elected he called The Reverend Jackson to the White House and ask him to be his Spiritual adviser?

It seems that you forgot that this was right after the Hymie town remark made by the Reverend. So shouldn't we now be asking that the Clinton's distance themselves from the Reverend Jackson?

All I can say at this point is that the Democratic Party is no more and I can see the blame being put on Obama by the Hillary supporters and Hillary by the Obama supporters.

This does not bode well for the General Election in November. And that is if we have elections.

Actually, I think the Democratic party is getting dragged kicked and screaming into the 2000s.

It's not like the GOP is attracting scores of independents, moderate Republicans more afraid of their own party's failed ideology than the satanic opposition party, and idealistic young people and seeing a resurgence in voters who'd become inactive because they'd been marginalized.

Plus lots of small donor support via the internet.

AnonP: It's a good problem to have.

"Or have all you Clinton supporters forgot that right after Bill got elected he called The Reverend Jackson to the White House and ask him to be his Spiritual adviser?"

LOL
What a straight line.
I must resist, I must resist, I must resist

Jack

Anon paranoid

Thanks for taking the time to post the links yesterday.

Having grown up in the Presby Church, I should be able to say that Presbys believe in predestination. Through 18 years of church and Sunday school, I can't recall ever being told about that at all. I learned about it in college only after having moved to a position of agnosticism, before jumping off the religion ship completely. I learned about it in a drunken discussion in a bar called the Chukker in Tuscaloosa, AL with one of my philosophy professors - an ex Baptist minister who was waxing poetic about hypocrisy in religion (as he had a tendency to do when he got drunk - which was frequent).

AP, nice try, but that ship sailed long ago. Jackson isn't on the Clinton bus - if you're suggesting he should be thrown under a bus, it would be Obama's.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17869051/

Funny, I haven't heard Obama reject his support because of the Hymietown remarks. Maybe he'll reject the remarks but not the man? I'll wait with bated breath.

Pogo: I disagree that it was not a transformative speech.

I do agree that it should have been given long before, by way of introducing Rev. Wright's sermons in full, with inspiring and inexcusable passages all, rather than once said sermons -- which were sure to come out -- had to be explained or defended.

I wrote aside my notes, while watching Obama, "he makes me want to be a better person."

You are a trained professional, a lawyer (which can make you a trained cynic too, in addition to providing numerous funny stories of folly and greed -- your client's, I am saying there -- not your own! I suspect you are a good and honest lawyer.)

So you may not hear that speech with the same ears of someone newer to the political process, or someone who had given up but tuned back in to see what Obama would say.

It worked as a CYA speech, but said so much more.

Pogo

A sister in law is an elder in her Presbyterian Church and she does not believe in predestination. I don't think it is a consistent doctrine.

I found this online
"The answer to your question is YES and NO. There are presbyterians who do and many who don't. It all depends upon your view of God. The word "predestination" is taken directly from the bible so if you believe the bible you believe in predestination.
Presbyterians and other Reformed churches emphasize that God is All knowing and all powerful. God acts in our lives and in history.
Predestination means that God has prepared our destiny beforehand and being all knowing, He knows whether we will be saved or not. Being all sovereign He determines our destiny upon our relationship with Jesus Christ.
Now comes the chicken and the egg, which came first? Arminians, who have a high view of human liberty, say we determine ourselves if we will accept or deny Jesus Christ as Savior. Reformed people say that is arrogant, that it is the Holy Spirit moving in us that leads us to accept Jesus as Lord and be saved.
The criteria of who is elect is FAITH. Do we form it in ourselves or is it a gift from God or somewhere in between?
I believe that God sovereignly predestines us to come to Him for that place He has prepared before the ages began as scripture tells. If it wasn't for God moving me I would never have received Chrst because my sins are too deep, too pervasive and too deadly"

I think you might want to reflect on barroom education:)

Dog,

Don't knock the Satanists...I find that if you get Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses humping your doorway, satanist declarations scare them away pretty quickly...

Yes I will give you an Amen!!! for that...

Bear. That's funny. Whenever I find Jehovah's Witnesses at my door, I always tell them I am home sick with the flu, but thanks so much for dropping by and I'll take the brochure. 15 second interaction, and those nice ladies smile sweetly before fleeing.

"Poor Patty Murray, all she did was suggest we should try to understand Bin Laden and was practically ridden out of town."

We're a tough crowd up here KC.:)

I'm still upset with her about supporting HRC. She better cut that shit out!
Posted by: Rezdog | March 18, 2008 1:49 PM

I interviewed Patty Murray when she was first running for the U.S. Senate. She came right up to KAOS radio and we had a 1/2 hour question and answer program live. She was billing herself as "a mom in tennis shoes"... She's bright, and I was CONFIDENT she would win the election.

As for supporting HRC, that's all the more reason to like her... sorry Rez... :-)

Now as for Gregoire...

Frozen Chosin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chosin_Reservoir

that must have been one very uncomfortable place to fight a battle. Not that there are any comfortable places to fight a war but you know what I meant.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

I think I'll be a brain surgeon.
Even though I've only done minor surgery
and my LIFE LONG mentor and Pastor says "SURGERY is evil and god damn surgery!!"

I still want the job. I want to unite all SURGEONS with all of those who'd rather suffer or die. My Mother was a surgeon. My Grandmother was a surgeon.

Those who blame the SURGEONS when surgery fails.
Yes they tried their best but it was NOT good enough. They failed. Why try again? Gd dAm the SURGEONS.

Just hire ME and I'll unite the SURGEONS with the herbalists, the SURGEONS with the Christian Scientists, the SURGEONS with Jeraldine because she's the WORST of ALL! WRight?

SHe recognized a disease. Called us on it and we all went WILD! GD damn SURGEONS.

(um yea)

Smart move by the Clintons to be releasing her over 11000 documents as First Lady tomorrow.
All eyes will be still rivetted on Obama while she gets a pass.
The 2006 taxes must be a thorny issue for them to be withholding them or they would make those a part of the documents dump

a better analogy - perhaps

When picking the team captain

you don't pick someone who has spent way too many Sunday's cheering AGAINST that same TEAM he's wanting to Captain.

that's all

I want the TOP cheerleader (no W pun intended) or TOP quarter back as Captain. Not the mascot from another team.

jmo.

BTW, many of your blog names say much about you as people, especially those with the Hussein included. You like to include that as defamatory, but perhaps you don’t know that one of our best allies was King Hussein of Jordan who “successfully balanced the pressures of Arab nationalism and the allure of Western-style development against the stark reality of Jordan's geographic location”. Even Reagan said “King Hussein has led Jordan with strength and wisdom”.
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Posted by: Karolenna | March 18, 2008 2:11 PM

Karolenna, I don't mind you calling all of us Hillary supporters "trolls" well actually I do... but I think you need to take some serious chill pills and re-read what you wrote. As I have understood it, the people who have put Hussein in their names have been all Obama supporters who wanted to proclaim the name proudly, not something to hide or feel ashamed of.

You can bash the Clintons and us all you want, but as the old saying goes, you point a finger at others and you have four pointing back at you.

Tom

What reputation is that Jack? I am already thought of as a "Chat Bully" by one of the European members of this blog.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!
Posted by: Horsedooty! | March 18, 2008 2:11 PM

As the only European member of this blog I can assuredly tell Horsedooty that he is NOT the person that I call "chat bully"... Why would you think so? Ok you went off on me ONE time, I got over it.... Please don't get a semi-paranoic complex. I don't think of you in a negative light at all...

Tom

AP

Absolutely none of the Clinton supporters have said Obama needed to throw his pastor under the bus. We were questioning his previous stance that he had never heard any of these negative remarks while he was in church, something he has now said in the speech wasn't true.

It was a question of his veracity not his loyalty.

Also, I don't consider the speech the best thing since "I Have A Dream" (you can tell these baby newsreaders have only heard recordings and are swallowing a talking point whole). In it he equated what his pastor said with what Geraldine Ferraro said and referenced the OJ sentence reaction as a symbol of the great divide plus a bouquet thrown to a white campaign worker.

Great speeches stick to great ideas. They don't bring in individuals. It really was two speeches thrown together to the detriment of both.

Culturally I am Lutheran... but there are no Lutheran churches in Belgium... Mauro, my partner, is anti-religion even though he's Catholic... I keep on threatening to go to church every Sunday but Dutch services aren't very interesting... Actually I like going to church maybe once a year... during the Christmas season.

BTW,

Both this speech and the Constitution started with a grammatical error: There is no such thing as "more" perfect.

Something is either perfect or it's not, but it's a little late to argue with the founders about editing.

I am off... I have been pressured to watch a Spanish gay movie called BEAR CUB...

bye everyone...

European chat bully ;-) xoxoxoxox

ET

you did call me that or dont you remember?

As the only European member of this blog I can assuredly tell Horsedooty that he is NOT the person that I call "chat bully"... Why would you think so? Ok you went off on me ONE time, I got over it.... Please don't get a semi-paranoic complex. I don't think of you in a negative light at all...

Tom

I am not paranoiac semi or other wise. It is just how I saw the comment. I dont think of you in a negative light either.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

i think his speech was a perfect con artist speech ......over the weekend since friday night he looked into a camera on almost every network and said i was never in the church when remark were made and in this speech he said ..".was i sitting in the pew when rev wright made contreversial remarks yes i was"...that means he lied at least seven times that i seen ,,,,,,,saturday he said he knew rezko for 24 years and had lunch with him every day during his campaign .....when he kept saying he was just a acquaintence.......oh he lso donated 250,000 instead of 150,000.......how many lies is he going to get away with .......the MSM keeps giving..... him a pass on these lies and he talks his way out of them .....i cant see this guy as president and when the gop and 527's get through with him he will look like hamburg

dog, dahlin', speeches are transformative IMHO only if they transform something. Maybe this one will - time will tell. I think we all have to decide individually what we think of this speech - we each have our opinions, and as a friend of mine used to say, opinions are like a$$holes - everyone has them and no one much cares about anyone else's. It's a little crude but I always loved that saying. Like I said, or meant to - I think the context will prevent this speech from being a great (read transformative) one. But like I often say, time will tell.

And dog, I was a cynic long before I was a lawyer. Tha's really not something they teach in law school.. You learn how to research, read cases, write, and to some extent, talk, but you have to pick up the thinking thing on your own. Either in spite of or because of my natural cynicism, law is a very comfortable fit for me. Suffice it to say, I don't take much that is said at face value. I have to laugh at the JW comment, a couple of them came to the door yesterday and were greeted by Lil' Pogo. It was a short visit. I'm sure the little Catholic boy had that "what th'" look on his face.

kc, it was only the predestination thing I learned in the barroom religion discussions. Well, I learned a lot more than that, but not about Presbyterianism. He just made me aware that one of the tenets of the church I grew up in was a doctrine I never heard about in my years in the church. I figure that Presbyterians fall into 3 camps on the issue - those that have never heard of it (or at least didn't know it is supposed to be one of the beliefs of the faith); Those who have heard of it and believe it and those that have heard of it and don't believe it. Actually, religion aside, the guy was a wonderfully intelligent man, and was probably the best orator I ever had as a teacher.

Ahhhh, HD, so you are a chat bully? LOL

Honestly Horsedooty I don't think I would call you that, but if I did, I do apologise -- I may have said it in passing, but I usually don't hold on to something like that. Sorry again :-) ... I never like to leave hard feelings with people, especially if I caused them.

Really have to go now...

" I don't think of you in a negative light at all..."

Tom, Doots is a photographer -- just think of him in terms of "light" and "negatives."

http://www.afn.org/~dks/race/clinton-e6.html

http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itsv/0897/ijse/tocsv.htm

Pogo, KGC-- it's prestidigitation. ;-)

I am an avid Clinton supporter and was impressed with Obama speech.Although I personally don't tust him he knocked it out of the park and.I can understand why all these people are star struck by him,but I still believe Hillary would make a better president for us at this time.Her speech on Iraq was very good and they showed some of her answers to the economy crisis but cnn only showed a small part and none of the other channels had it.And being on a rural land line I am not able to watch videos.Guess I'll have to loosen my purse strings and get sattelite.

Craig, I so LOVE your video TM's. They are, indeed, clever. *L*

It's serious duck weather here abouts. Great for giant ducks.

Hillary introduced a bill or something pointing out it's action not speeches that count.

tt

Flatus - forgive me the misspelling. LOL Lance Burton would never forgive me.

KC, thanks for those links. AS they say in the guitar world - someone has already played the lick you just wrote.

Dow update - up 397 pts. Do I hear 400? Anyone? Anyone? Beuhler?

KGC

Thanks for posting those links.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/obama-hopes-for-a-teaching-mom.html#comment-54280

Personally, I found Mr Clinton's speech more rigorous and more meaningful than today's. But, that's in the ear of the beholder.

In any case, the tremendous divides we _still_ face _have_ been addressed in the past. But, we as a people, have not seen bridging the divides worthy of the effort it will surely take.

pogo, the financials are very weird these days. Gold is over $1K and heading toward $2K? Yowza.

tt

I always found the best way to make a vist by JW's short was to offer them a beer. If the conversation started to drag on too long I always asked the question: Why did God get rid of the dinosaurs? At that point they would usually give up and head down the street. If not, then there was something boiling over on the stove, gotta go.

Craig,

You lack objectivity. I am really beginning to wonder where your anti-obama slant is coming from!

Edwards/ Clinton VP ticket will run as independents

OMG.....
tt..... gold heading toward 2K an ounce....

all I know is that if the many jewelers I know didn't buy gold while it was still a reasonable price.....

well..... some of them definitely will be going out of business....

tt, indeed they are - i may invest in gold, actually. I don't see it dropping soon (although it is just now matching its prior inflation adjusted high). And the Dow is now up 420 - any faster and it will get the bends.

Bowman, what a great couple of questions. LOL

Jamie:

"don't minimize her as some noblesse oblige rich woman dropping in on the lower classes."

I get your point. In fact, it happens to me now and again - when people write me off as a sell-out, no-good, money-grubbing corporate attorney.

But the fact remains - the further you are from the street - the more likely someone will question your "street credibility."

And Clinton has been one of the most famous and powerful women - in the world - for almost two decades...

"When picking the team captain" - you pick the player that lifts up the entire team.

Not just the man or woman with the best stats.

warren, true enough, of course that's usually the pitcher, point guard, right forward, quarterback, middle line backer or the guy with the best stats. LOL

Whether or not Florida votes are counted, the voters in Florida are cynical already. The politicians they elected to their state's House and Senate have been involved recently in an underwear debate. The Senate ruled that wearing low-riding paints and exposing one's underwear should warrant suspension from school, and the matter was passed to the House. Since the Florida voters (and the rest of us) already know about President Clinton's underwear, they are likely to vote for Senator Obama in the general election, since there is a demand for change.

I see Obama as a point guard - along the lines of Magic Johnson.

Flatus:. Imus drives Ford trucks but didn't diss Ford when GM gave the Imus Ranch for Children With Cancer four flex-fuel Chevrolet Suburbans .
He continued to praise the Ford pickup trucks.

My point was that Imus sold many Tassimo machines, praising them as a great advancement in coffee brewing art, then today started promoting a new single-cup maker , and all the while trashing Tassimo. He never complained about how "they break down all the time and never work" when he was pitching them.
It's like how Imus promotes that Mohegan Casino...I didn't know it, not did I ever research it, but I think it was 9-11 Survivor (sort of) who revealed here that Imus is a large stockholder in the casino.
Hey, even as Imus becomes more confused and mumble-mouthed, I still watch him.
I wonder about his talent evaluations, however. While he really found a gem in Tony Powell, who is truly a funny dude,and getting funnier by the day...OMG!...is that guy talented or WHAT!.. I also say he really hurt the show with Karrith Foster. She's goofy, not funny, and always ruins her timing on her bits by invariably tripping over the written script she reads from. She is the least funny comedian I have ever seen on TV. To borrow a phrase from Warner Wolf..."C'MON, I-MAN!!"

Pogo...
that's not true....

the captain is usually the guy that is the most uplifting while in the locker room...

for instance.... the NE Patriot's captain is considered to be a defensive player named Tedy Bruschi.... not Brady or Moss....

the captain of the Boston Red Sox is their catcher, Jason Varitek.... not Manny Ramirez or David Ortiz....

Craig,
You called it exactly as what Obama hoped it will be: an education of sorts.

Maybe that's why Obama needed to start at the chronological beginning to educate us about Wright and wrongs.

He began with the Declaration of Independence (interesting starting point) and the inherent expectation of equality achieved embodied in our American experiment. He skipped the Constitution save the exception of the Slavery Question which our founders Constitutionally put off until in 1789, the Great Compromise had gotten ugly, and a number of Congressmen broke their silence in the general politican firestorm of their time. Hamilton and others demanded the abolishion of Slavery. His feud with Burr intensified. Jefferson and Madison had no realistic remedy to free the slaves, so they opted for a return to silence. Washington too, thought the divisive disunion between the north and south would jepordized national security for the short term, though he freed his slaves and provided for them upon his death. Franklin's finest hours asked whether we had any moral justification for rejecting Muslim slave trade when we failed to even enforce our own anti-slave trade laws. And so it went until Lincoln first hung instead of pardoned a notorious slave trader in NY. At first, the Press was in favor of a pardon, but upon the trader's execution, hailed his death as the triumph of freedom. Education is a good thing.

Tough spot for Obama though. Lots of related problems. He'll be blamed if Flordia doesn't get to cast their delegates. It is hard to be all things to all people. And then some historic speech about Race? Frankly, I don't think Obama's problems are so much about race. It is about authenticating who Obama is, if not charactered by the very people Obama considers important friends.

Beyond the polarizing effect the Obama campaign has now drifted into, Electibility is the operate word here. And it's going to get worse because of the accumulated drag on his original great co-efficient. Not very smart not to see a multplicity of related problems. Yeah, electibility is the question. Good word for Colbert.

(I see Powers showed on La Report to push her new book. You saw someone who will likely be welcomed back into an Obama administration, giving an insincere apology about calling Hillary a monster. She was there to promote her book. The lines I can remember are about the end of our "winning" anything anymore and the need to find ways to talk to our enemies in the name of saving children and families caught between evil and evil. Didn't have a great come back to COlbert's , "Well, Saddam is gone".

I am suprised Colbert didn't ask about women's rights or even the oil for food scam. I suppose Powers will have to educate us too, eventually.)

Or maybe the hope is that the less edicated crowd will fail to be educated enough to accept Obama's reasoning and judgment.

Or maybe we need to change our lack of knowledge. If each person tried to understand more, we could vote for Obama and get the real change needed to fix systemic imbalances that have led to our uneducated state in the first place.Corprorate America wants to hire smart overseas workers while keeping us as stupid as possible......

As I listened to Obamaspeak I saw discomfort in his having to be humble or rejecting words too harshly. I guessed correctly the attack would be diverted to "those who seek to use race in a racist way". I am still struggling to undersand the many ways one can "use". I guess he means the retailers of the "God Damn America" T-shirts?

I see the conscious incongruousness of ideas (words) meshed together as if by mixing one could produce some validity. Magicians at least pull a rabbit out of a hat. Perhaps a re-write in progress is the height of audaciousness.

Let's see the next round of high flying poll numbers. Funny thing is: the media actually has softened the blows and continues to dampen Hillary. Maybe Dean can pull Florida out of his....

My only concern with Obama's disposition on Rev. Wright is simple.

He spoke as those there is and has been no alternative in the Reverend's generation to the rage against whites among his good works.

There is a world of thinking -- a current world -- available which explores ideas which would be a lot more consistent with the Church's good works than Wright's theology of racial blame and helpless anger.

Others of the Reverend's generation have addressed the culture and the place of personal responsibility:

"Your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2:30 every day, it's cursing and calling each other [the N-word] as they're walking up and down the street. They think they're hip. They can't read. They can't write. They're laughing and giggling, and they're going nowhere."

The year was 2004. The speaker was Bill Cosby. Here is the WAPO link covering that story... followed by the speech he gave six weeks earlier at the 50th Anniversary Commemoration of the Brown Vs. Board of Ed. decision.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24594-2004Jul2.html
http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm

Jesse Jackson stood by Cosby's side when he made the second group of remarks.

Read these. There is nothing new here. Yet there was in Obama's speech a sense of the immutable and inevitable in how he characterized both his pastor and Rep. Ferraro as these Manichean opposites.

I fault the Senator on seeing things in the wrong sort of black and white. There is more and infinitely better to hear in the voices of the generation which precedes his own.

That does not fill me with hope or with any sense of change.

And, yes, the Senator did talk about the necessity for improved education. Now perhaps his campaign will put together an actual program to accomplish that.

The democratic party has just been split by race. You will find blue-collar whites that disagree with the whole notion of black rage, and they will refuse to support anyone that buys into the "blame the whites" game. Additionally you will find blacks who will only vote for someone that shares their "black experience"

HRC is more like Ray Lewis.

Too true, TopStory. The ironic thing about racism is that it knows no race.

TopStory,
Who have blacks been voting for all this time?

renee, I said usually, not always. Pro sports are busnesses, and tend to be different from sports up to that level, but I'll see your Bruschi and Varitek and raise you with LeBron James, Magic, Larry Byrd, Bret Favre & Peyton Manning.

Actually, my point is that the captain is typically the team leader - the guy the rest of the team looks to for direction - not always the guy calling the plays, but I'd wager that's who it is more often than not.

"Others of the Reverend's generation have addressed the culture and the place of personal responsibility"

The Reverend Wright has also addressed personal responsibility and he has done it in the trenches.
Not as Bill Cosby speaking to other middle class types and sneering down from on high,IMO.

I'm not sure what your point is but I often see such comments as an attack on many AA leaders without the knowledge of what is going on in the many black communities across the nation.
Jack

For all the Clinton supporters.
Philly Inquirer of March 18, 2008:
Clinton: Race and gender issues ‘complicated’

"I see Obama as a point guard - along the lines of Magic Johnson. "

I see him as a great religious leader like, uh, say, Joshua.

For Dexter and other Imus viewers:

I really like Karith. To me she IS funny. (Dexter: Just because you don't laugh doesn't mean no one else does.) As for Tony, I love him too, but he is worse than Karith for swallowing his words so often that I miss jokes. But I just keep thinking that it's still early days, they've been on only since December, they can improve. It must be daunting being in that studio with all those people and cameras, trying to give your comedy routine with many distractions.

I see Obama as a point guard - along the lines of Magic Johnson.

Posted by: warren | March 18, 2008 4:28 PM

LOL
I guess that makes HRC Pistol Pete

Jack

Oh God! Tweety!

A speech worthy of Lincoln?

Matthews is getting that feeling running up his leg again! It's man crush time on the latest idol.

Pass the barf bucket.

Patsi:

"I see him as a great religious leader like, uh, say, Joshua."

Easy chica - his speech wasn't THAT good ; )

Jack:

"I guess that makes HRC Pistol Pete"

Why - because he is white - why do you have to always make this a race issue!

***
Just kidding my friends (to borrow from McCain)....

whisky jack,

The Reverend has said that alcoholics and drug users (and drug dealers) made excellent church recruits because of their lack of social status and self-esteem.

A cynic could call that exploitation. It also is the truth. And Rev. Wright made those lives into better ones and his once weak church stronger through that.

As you brought up trenches, let's explore those. Trenches are physical places, Mr. Jack.

They are recessed places from which one can fight and where one can find some safety.

Reverend Wright fought for his parisioners from his.

He also used that trench for his personal rage's toilet and filled it with the sort of piss and shit which engenders a sense of helplessness whose only answer isn't action but rage?

Where does that rage go? Who would benefit from that rage?

Well, in politics (secular or not) usually the leader does.

You say Cosby was sneering down from on high.

Might you not call Rev. Wright sneering up from down low?

If you want to call that preaching personal responsibility, that's your privilege.

Excerpts from "the speech" -

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_race_excerpts;_ylt=AorE0_0r.OoF8R2BpTy5ZGsDW7oF

"This is the most important speech on race."

This is the crap that is heard over and over again on MSM today.

I agree that it is a good speech. Hello? That is not the point. The point is that once again Obama wants to make this about Americans voting for him so that they can assauge their guilt rather than addressing his poor judgement for making Wright his mentor.

Liberals who support Obama will of course forgive him for his lack of judgement just as they want to be "forgiven" for their guilt over racism.

The reality is that Obama tells people what they want to hear. He is not authentic because he surrounds himself who do not want to heal these racial divides as he espouses to stand for. By sitting in that church and having this pastor as his mentor, he condones Wright's message.

I consider myself a Democrat. I am a young woman as well. I should be part of both candidates' base. I can tell you this, however: I will not vote for a person who says one thing but lives another way.

By the way, people want to say that Obama was not pandering because he did not throw Wright under the bus. They are right: he did not pander to whites, he pandered to blacks.

I think the Rev. Wright might have tipped the popular balance toward Hillary.

tt

Matthews and company are either lying through their teeth, completely nuts or they have led such totally sheltered lives that nothing in reality has ever touched them and they are amazed at the contents of the speech from the miracle man.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm the one who has seen too much, heard too much, and know too much from family and friends. I'm the cynic who wonders why in the world all these children are trailing along after the Pied Piper.

Tiptoe,

I do not know whether the balance has swung toward Hillary. I do know this: Obama, thanks to his association with Wright, will be defined in the general election as unpatriotic. In addition, he will be defined as one who does not heal racial divisions. I can only imagine the 527s.

I, too, sing America.
I am the darker brother.
They send me to eat in the kitchen
When company comes,
But I laugh,
And eat well,
And grow strong.

Tomorrow,
I'll be at the table
When company comes.
Nobody'll dare
Say to me,
"Eat in the kitchen,"
Then.

Besides,
They'll see how beautiful I am
And be ashamed -

I, too, am America.

- Langston Hughes, 1925

great speech, but also proved he's a liar. Said he never heard any controversial statements in all the interviews friday - today said he had.

Here is the original speech

http://www.afn.org/~dks/race/clinton-e6.html

Econ,

I agree. His newest speech contradicts what he said on Friday. He has a crediblity gap.

He said it all a long time ago and much much better. All anyone had to do was read and think about it.

http://web.csustan.edu/english/reuben/pal/chap9/hughes.html

"I knew only the people I had grown up with, and they weren't people whose shoes were always shined, who had been to Harvard, or who had heard Bach." -

LH

Jan,

You make an interesting argument. Keep in mind that those who don't support Hillary could say the same thing about her with regards to her war vote in Iraq and by basically endorsing McCain for President over Obama.

If you look at her policy towards "fixing" the mortgage industry, she is clearly pandering to the fears that homeowners currently have, without realizing that what she is proposing is either already being done (loan qualifying) or impossible to do, (Federal licensing of mortgage brokers).

I would suggest caution when holding the pandering card over someones head because the very nature of campaigning is pandering.

Obama is a liar!
That is no earth shattering revelation.
Even Abraham lied to Pharoah that Sarah was his sister.
Have the other two Presidential candidates in the race ever lied?

"I am a young woman as well."

Are you single?!

(feel free to ignore me)

It was integrity for Obama not to throw Clinton under the bus.

Yet Clinton should not only have thrown Ferraro under the bus but backed over her and run over her again.

Bear,

I expect ALL politicians to pander inlcuding Hillary. The difference is that Obama has promised a new type of politics. He has shown that he has not lived up to his promise; instead, he is like everyone else!

You say this:
"The Reverend has said that alcoholics and drug users (and drug dealers) made excellent church recruits because of their lack of social status and self-esteem."

I see this:
From the Churches mission statement
"We are called out to be "a chosen people" that pays no attention to socio-economic or educational backgrounds. We are made up of the highly educated and the uneducated. Our congregation is a combination of the haves and the have-nots; the economically disadvantaged, the under-class, the unemployed and the employable.

The fortunate who are among us combine forces with the less fortunate to become agents of change for God who is not pleased with America’s economic mal-distribution!"

This is a church I would gladly belong to, where the content of your wallet is less important than the content of your soul. This is a church that could accept me, with all my problems.
I suspect it is a church that could accept me even though it knew I was an unbeliever. It is an interesting church and , yes, the Reverend Wright is a flawed pastor.
"by their fruits ye shall know them" and the Reverend has produced a bountiful harvest of good.

Jack

Econ/Jan:

Not sure about what he said in the speech that makes him a liar. But what he said on Friday - was that he had not heard in the Church the particular clips the media had on a loop last week - not that he had never hear Wright say anything controversial.

Amen George! This man is like every other politician: he lies.

My favorite part of his life story is when people assume that he grew up poor. My husband did some research on this guy. His grand-parents who he lived with were at the least middle class.

Obama always muddies the water when he says that he was born to a teen mom. This leads people to think of poverty. Not so!

"Ray Lewis"

Warren, why bring up a black man accused of murder??? Do you always have to tie blacks to
violent crime?

Obama is NO Magic Johnson. Gary Payton once said "Point guards like Magic Johnson and me come along once every 20 years or so." I thought to myself "BLASPHEMY!" I'm sure Dexter will agree with me that one of the all-time great leaders in sports was Steve Yzerman of the Detroit Red Wings. In one bit of funny news , I had something funny happen to me at the doctor's office. This doctor looked at me and said. "Hi! How are you?! He said you had to run some errands. Go to the orthodontist or something. What was that all about?" I was immediately confused. What was he talking about? But , I assumed he was my doctor , so I followed him into a room. When we got to the room I saw a teenage boy sitting in a chair. I sat down in a chair and wondered "Why am I having my first session with some teenage kid as well? Isn't it just supposed to be me and the doctor?" Finally , the kid looked up and said. "He's not my Dad." The doctor said. "Oh! My mistake! I thought you were his Father!" I said. "No. I'm not!" Laughter ensued and the doctor walked me back out into the lobby. Too funny!

Warren,

Obama was parsing his words on Friday. He said that he had never been in the pews when this crap was spewed. He led people to believe that he did not know about this until recently.

Now, today, he admits that he has heard controverisal remarks. He only changed his tactics when people said that his explanation did not make sense.

Obama'sn whole identity in politics rests on the idea that he is authentic. He is a truth teller.

The reality is that he will do anything (yes, like other pols) to get elected.

Patsi:

You brought up "murder" (and I think if I remember the story - he was just hanging around murders - not doing any killing himself).

I brought him up because he is one of my favorite football players (being a "defense" guy myself when it comes to football). I have great respect for him - as I do for your girl, HRC.

I also brought him up - because he led by scaring the hell out of his teammates - they were scared to dissappoint him. And that kinda reminds me of the HRC campaign....

"Are you single?!
(feel free to ignore me)"

Warren! Shame on you, trolling for internet dates. Your mother should block your net usage.....and you need to get back to hanging out at Hooters.

Great Lies in Presidential History...

"I did not have sex with that woman...Monica Lewinsky"

"We will be greeted as liberators"

"There is a direct link between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein"

"I thought my war vote authorization was a vote for diplomacy, I didn't really think he would invade"

"I never directly heard those sermons from Rev. Wright"

At least when Bill and Barrack lied, they didn't kill anyone because of it.

I wonder why no one ever redid a video of Devil with a Blue Dress on, with Monica in it...

Good for you, Jack.

I'm just surprised that a man who gets so riled by posts would find such comfort in those pews.

But people are complex and so are churches and communities.

Blogs a lot less so. And a hell of a lot less productive in both a worldly and spiritual sense.

Jan:

If you read my posts - I don't think Obama is the perfect politician. Such a thing is a fantasy with the current state of politics (or otherwise for that matter).

But I do think he is a step in the right direction.

Read The Audacity of Hope. His message ain't just a bunch of talking points drawn up by staffers...

Warren,

Ray Lewis is a scum sucking rat. The piece of effluence ratted on his buddies. If you can't handle going out with guys who are carrying knives and guns and jonesing for a fight, then stay home.

I found it hilarious when he came out against the ESPN show "Playmakers" saying he couldn't let his kids watch it. That show was much tamer than what was going on in his own locker room...

He is scum.

Patsi:

What can I say...I am a busy man (who also likes to sleep and sit on the couch). So I need to take advantage of every opportunity I get!

"you need to get back to hanging out at Hooters."

Patsi,
You need to be 21 to hang out at Hooters don't you?

LOL,
That Reminds me , the twenty something Mexicans on the framing crew I used to work on love Hooters. The girls would come over to the table and rub across them as they served drinks and the dollars would fly out of their pockets.

Jack

Patsi,

You are thinking of Rae Carruth who had his pregnant girlfriend killed. I hate Ray Lewis, but he didn't do that.

Bear -- wasn't "Devil" the best damned movie you ever saw? And Mouse was my hero. Cheadle is brilliant!

Nice one Jack!

Aha -- sorry, Ray....I thought it was you. But I do remember he had something to do with a killing.

Obama LIED repeatedly in the weeks before today’s confession.

Today, he said, “Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely …”

Compare that with what Obama told the Chicago Sun-Times on March 15, 2008, “But the sermons I’ve always hear were no different than the sermons you hear in many African-American churches. I had not heard him make such, what I consider to be objectionable remarks from the pulpit. Had I heard them while I was in church, I would have objected. Had that been the tenor of the church generally, I probably wouldn’t be a member of the church.”

But on March 14, when CNN’s Anderson Cooper asked Obama if he ever heard from others about Rev. Wright’s controverisal remarks, Obama replied with a flat “No.”

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

Warren...that's about the umpty-millionth time I have seen you urge a commenter here to "just read The Audacity of Hope" in answer to any question about Obama or what he might do as president. That recommendation is getting sort of worn out, honestly. (And that's coming from someone who has my own copy of the book on my coffee table)

First, if writing a book about yourself was enough to get yourself elected president...we would have elected Norman Mailer instead of John F Kennedy back in 1960.

Second, what does it say that the primary reference source for a leading presidential contender is a book that he wrote about himself? The reason for that is because his book is the only thing that fills the total vaccuum of his relatively brief life in public office, a vaccuum that might otherwise be filled with quantifiable actions that voters could judge on their own merits.

My point is: Just be careful about constantly referring people to the book. Because after awhile, it gets to be a double-edged sword.

LL:

I just think that is a good starting point.

Btw, HRC supporters don't usually direct me to anything - they just call me naive, ignorant or sexist.

(but there are many exceptions to the last statement on this blog).

Warren...unfortunately, with Obama, the book amounts to a lot more than just "a good starting point." It's more like the sum total.

That's not your fault, or the fault of his supporters. It's the fault of the news media...which let things get to this stage before actually putting his past under any kind of real scrutiny. The unmitigated fawning and drooling over him has proven to be a disservice to us all -- and I include Obama himself in that group.

LL:

Plus, JFK may still have won based on his Pulitzer for "Profiles of Courage."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/jk35.html

"in"

Warren..."Profiles in Courage" did help get JFK elected -- to Congress in, like, 1946. Not president.

He had to actually build a record over the next decade and a half to get to that point. (and screw lots of starlets along the way, I should add).

LL:

Spare me the patronizing please. I did not choose Obama because the liberal media started forcing him down my throat.

I came across Obama long before he ever declared himself a candidate for President - and have been impressed with everything I have seen since I started to follow him closely.

Get used to the fact that a smart and informed voter - MAY actually choose someone other than HRC.

George: good catch that HRC's White House papers being released tomorrow.

11 thousand pages of documents, presently at the Clinton Library.

Wonder if Josh Marshall of Talking Points will put them up on his site and have his readers help sift through them. He did that with White House (?) doc dump re fired US Attorneys.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/03/clinton_says_will_release_firs.php

Reuters report: The records, some 11,000 pages in all, document nearly all of the meetings, trips, speaking engagements and social activities Clinton engaged in while her husband, Bill Clinton, served as president between 1993 and 2001, the National Archives said.

My bad...JFK wrote Profiles while already a Senator. I was confusing it with Why England Slept, which was the earlier book that helped launch his political career.
Thanks Wikipedia.

(For those who did not see this in a previous post.)

"Financial records indicate that Beth Wilkinson, wife of MSNBC White House reporter David Gregory, has contributed $4,600 to Obama’s presidential campaign. To Big Head DC’s knowledge, the newsman has not disclosed this contribution to viewers."

http://bigheaddc.com/category/barack-obama/

I have seen Obama trash Geraldine Ferraro 3 times this afternoon. I'm losing whatever respect I ever had for him.

Why do some posts with imported links have the light blue borders? Am I doing something wrong?

Different Subject...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23075904/

The Vice President was part of a letter submitted in the Supreme Court's case, evaluating the Gun Ban in DC. He came out in favor of dumping the ban.

I offer this question, if you were allowed to carry a concealed firearm in D.C. how close would you have to be to the President or Vice President before you were required to disarm? Could you not argue that they were violating your constitutional rights?

Also, John McCain was the co sponsor of an amendment to a National Parks bill, allowing loaded weapons in National Park Lands, despite the objections of park rangers...His nut job friend Coburn said that guns were needed to protect against rape. I would argue if you were hiking through bear country, that would be a better excuse. What I want to know is how many people were raped in National Parks last year. Where would I find that information?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23194939/

Warren...not patronizing you or anyone else. Fact is, until now, Obama has basically gotten a free pass to cruise this far on a featherweight record as an elected official.

That's not to say the liberal media is "forcing him down your throat" or that you are somehow personally gullible. That was not my meaning at all. Like I said, I think Obama HIMSELF would have been much better off had this level of scrutiny come back in October or November of last year.

OD:

You did not start out with much - so i am surprised you have anything left.

Why don't you just wait to take a second look after the concession speech.

dog

I think especially long links are treated differently, I think it was causing the site to slow down and crash . By capturing and reformatting, it stops them from causing problems. It's not you. It's the link.

I lost all respect for Ferraro...I think she's just barely about Coultergeigst on the miserable scale. This assessment comes from a previous interaction with her. The comments made recently only cement my view.

For those who did not see this in a previous post...

Taylor Marsh is nothing but a cut and paste poster, incapable of offering an original thought.

Too bad you weren't using the moniker free world because then I could use Eminem's freestyle against Papa Doc...8 mile is a very underrated movie.

Warren: I have worked on behalf of the party for decades. Snide comments from someone not committed enough to fight for the party or to be a member of the party are of no use to me.

I hope you take into account the amount of time you are online at work when you compute billable hours.

Off to Oregon City for rush hour Hillary sign holding..Have a nice evening..

Dog:

It happens when the link is too long to fit in the regular screen.

Oregon Democrat,

You do realize that marketers will point to businesses that utilize live sign holders/sandwich board wearers, as signs that a business/entity is failing?

OD:

I am a member of the Independent Party - and I fight for whatever cause I believe in - not ones that "the party" tells me to go fight for (I do enough of that at work).

And I keep a pad on my desk - I write in the time when I start to work on something - and write in the time when I stop.

So - no - my clients are not paying for the time I spend on this freaking blog. But thanks for looking out for me...

"I came across Obama long before he ever declared himself a candidate for President - and have been impressed with everything I have seen since I started to follow him closely."

Actually, I listened to his convention speech and loved it. I told my son, "This guy is GREAT! I love that 'there is no red America or Blue America, just ONE America. It's bullshit, of course. But I love it!"

Dog and anybody else

If you have a long url convert into a more manageble url at

http://tinyurl.com/

Jack

dog's eye -- I don't know what that frame around posts is about either. It's annoying though.

msnbc should be prosecuted for election tampering

"Why don't you just wait to take a second look after the concession speech."

Which one, when McCain wins 48 states?

Warren
It is sad you don't know who Pistol Pete is except as another white basketball player. Just sad.
Yep, I know It's just all prehistory.
STFU old man

Jack

This is all anyone ever needs to know about David Gregory. He consigned himself permanently to Dork Hell when he allowed this display to be captured on national TV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evoMTW1eso0

Hey, David Gregory, a man that can dance like that is my kind of man.

Jack

Got to be my favorite line in any song

"don't follow leaders
watch the parking meters"
Bob Dylan
Subterranean Homesick Blues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-xIulyVsG8

Jack

Watching people make fools of themselves on national TV doesn't bother me at all. I actually find it kind of entertaining.

Besides, to paraphrase Winston Churchill, I can change the channel in the morning and I'll be watching something else. But David Gregory will still be a pathetic dork.

LL
I 'm glad nobody has a picture of me dancing, even though my wife thinks I'm a good dancer.
I'll bet you do too;-0

Jack

Bear,

The Rangers don't want people carrying guns simply because they are the ones most likely to be shot. There have been several injuries and deaths because of poachers and drunks.

Gettin' lost in youtube.
almost as good as smokin' weed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9-FbvTJJLM

Jack

By the way, if the stuff about Gregory's wife donating $4,600 to Obama is true...and if they don't have separate checking accounts, individual income tax filings and other features that might be described as a "Chinese Wall" separating their finances as spouses, it is a HUGE breach of journalistic ethics.

Bear

"This assessment comes from a previous interaction with her. "

You had a personal negative interaction with her? I've never heard any story like that and would be interested in what happened.

Wait. It took all these funny, folksy posts, but I finally get it. "whskyjack" is short for "Whiskey Jack," a fun and folksy kind of guy.

I always thought it stood for "White House Skyjacker", and wondered why NSA wasn't onto you yet.

(Just kidding Jack. I'm just being silly.)

AND.....I thought this speech was the most important in my Child's life time. I also think he hit on a continuation of what Martin Luther King started and was not able to complete. it's like this country has been on the edge of a racial abys, waiting for someone that can help us reclaim the humanity we all really wish for.

I think this speech will end up completing the Dream.

I don't think most of you can bring yourselves to admit that this was not a political speech.

To bad because this man is in your party. I am so proud to accept Barack Hussein Obama into MY Democratic Party. He is exactly what my party has been nurturing since I was a girl.

Its great to have witnessed the beginning of what Obama's speech will bring to fruition.

"Your Must Read of the day: Shelby Steele's piece in today Wall Street Journal puts into perfect perspective Barack Obama, the issue of race, how Obama expertly exploits the issue and the intention to manipulate you with it. Obama's speech today illustrates Steele's proposal that Barack Obama is a race "bargainer." Read this segment from his speech today, then read the Steele article, written not in response to the speech but delving into Obama in general. It ties everything together.

The irony, of course, is this hunger for racial innocence is borne of the decades of being told we are racist, by the same people who then explain if we give them things or elevate them to power we will be washed of our crime. In other w0ords, Barack Obama is telling us, as he did today, that making him president is all we have to do to prove we aren't racist. And if we don't? Well, that's the threat."

http://tammybruce.com/

Sheila...he definitely did what he had to do. He bascially said if we're going to have a conversation about race, let's at least make it an honest conversation.

But on the other hand, this speech may ultimately have the same impact on American race relations as Michael Dukakis' musings on Belgian endive had on Iowa farming.

"So, what are you now, a park ranger?"

-----Geoffrey Lebowski

I am amazed at Chris Matthews reaction to Obama's speech. He surprised me when his Kennedy background resurfaces over this need to please his Republican Brother.

Jack:

I have seen some footage of Pistol Pete. He looked like a really creative player - I like that.

Lard,

For once i think you are wrong. We American's cannot help ourselves.....we have to beat the dead horse until we understand....we baby boomers are the worst.

Get ready and sit tight, this horse is going to rise for another 20 years at least. But it will be put to rest with our childrens children and I am glad.

LL
SSSHHH
Speak quietly

By replying to me I can trace a probable chain of 5 contact points from you to Obsama bi Ladin and an almost certain 4 point chain from you to those who are hunting them.

Be very careful my friend, be very careful

Jack

On another note. I don't want to hear about Obama campaign being above the fray and also not willing to do anything to win. The stalling tactics regarding MI revote in order to disenfranchise voters is just one thing.

The other thing is that recently Obama operative Ted Kennedy was complicit in the attempt to discredit Hillary's work with the SCHIPS program suggesting:

"Asked whether Clinton was exaggerating her role in creating SCHIP, Kennedy, stopped in the hallway as he was entering the chamber to vote, half-shrugged.

"Facts are stubborn things," he said, declining to criticize Clinton directly. "I think we ought to stay with the facts.""

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/

Today...thank goodness FactCheck...sets the record straight:

"We review the record and conclude that she deserves plenty of credit, both for the passage of the SCHIP legislation and for pushing outreach efforts to translate the law into reality."

More on this here including Kennedy's previous statement saying:

"Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Oct. 6, 2007: The children's health program wouldn't be in existence today if we didn't have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/giving_hillary_credit_for_schip.html

Not to rain on Obama's pretty speech day...but Axelrod came out and said some pretty nasty things about Hillary yesterday...thought it would be good to point out that the Obama campaign...like most haters...is projecting onto their opponent what they are guilty of themselves.

The Steele article is also very good.

:-D

We baby boomers are not the worst.......the worst are the viet nam war peoples and the Iraq war peoples.....baby boomers are not to blame......

Sheila...I think the best part of his speech was when he acknowledged that no "speech" will actually change everything.

True progress is always incremental -- like the fact that I ate lunch in a sandwich shop in Central Florida today that was filled with people of all colors. Not even remarkable today, but probably unthinkable on that same ground just 40 or so years ago.

That's what gives me hope. The barely perceptible increments.

About what Jack?

What was it like when Obama was just getting to know Rev. Wright?

Did Wright preach this way? Was that "okay" with Barack? and why?

Rev. Wright did not become a part of Obama's family over-night, it took time...and during that time he preached "hate."

How does Obama get a "pass" on this? Make no sense.

Jack...speaking as a native Missourian, myself...I think you will be safe from scrutiny until bin Laden's group launches the first-ever attack on America's iconic skyscrapers with hijacked John Deere tractors. When that happens, they'll come lookin' for you and me, pal.
:)

Same Thoughts lard.

But all the same, when was the last time you heard someone say what we have all thought at one time, on national TV? Such a delicate subject and now its become a public debate.

Obama may never get elected, but he just became one of the most important people in my generation for social change.

I seem to remember a tractor invasion of DC some yrs. back.........

If he was really concerned about healing the racial divide...he'd do more than give a speech and go to church. The reality of what he's done...or should I say not done...contradicts the words he spoke today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP-YoB5mnZs

This post gives great links and a rundown of Obama actions not meeting up with Obama words.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/13/the-forgotten-people/

Jan,

As I said earlier, "Frankly, I don't think Obama's problems are so much about race. It is about authenticating who Obama is, if not characterized by the very people Obama considers important friends."

Obama created a story about himself using people and places to embue the screenplay. He tries to convince voters of another story about an Obama administration. For storytelling, it is important for the creatively brilliant to be authentic. Comparing his white grandmother to Wright is absurd. The Trinity Church fit into his street cred and of course, he lied when he first said he hadn't heard Wright in rant mode. He told Fox that if he had heard those words repeated, he would resign from his church. He lied when he said he never visited his house with Rezko before Rezko agreed to by the lot next door to ice the deal. He lied about his role during the immigration debate. He lied when he said he was unaware of the sanction vote. He knew about Wright and now fashioned today another explanation to support his not resigning from his church. He reversed himself on whether Wright had said things Obama repudiates in the past as Obama listened. Now, its a black thing and Obama is the ONLY bridge between white and black. He is the one.

When your mentors, friends, advisors and supporters become suspect, it hurts establishing authenticity when your history and record is light to begin with. Yes, Obama needed to ultimately side with his base, but his speech was meant for more affluent White Democrats. This I-am-the-bridge-or-we-will-never-have-a-chance-again card is better than the card over judgement. But as I said before, the Wrights, Rwzkos, Powers, Zbigs keep coming. The effect will not be a rejection based on race, but rather a rejection of judgement, pandering, positioning and failure to present a coherent authentic story with the record and sufficient detail to lace hope with realistic goals.

Broken Souls, first time I'm proud, Hillary is a monster, God Damn America, Fairy Tale is racist, etc. is a fine collection of sound bites, or shall we say, reality bites.

And I though Obama fumbling the driver license question was lame. Obama has spun this race story four different ways since Friday. He's still not ready on day four. Expect him to speak again and again, changing his explanations for different audiences.Now what if he is routed in Penn. At this moment, McCain beats Obama. Check out the polls by Friday.

Sturg...can you imagine what that tractor protest would look like today? Dick Cheney would scramble the F-16s, and they'd take 'em all out.

Well....

Now that the narrower minds have appreared, I will bow out now. Have at it folks.

"It is about authenticating who Obama is"

I agree with this - it's about the Authenticity of Hope...he has a credibility issue that has nothing to do with race or his church.

Alright - now Joe S. is starting to piss me off. Does he really think if he says it enough times - that THIS is the year the Reagan Dems. vote Republican again. After Bush, Iraq and the Economy - I don't care if Reagan was somehow running again in 2008 - it ain't happening this year.

Obama is a master in manipulation - look over here - no, look over here -

Obama - just another angry black man, ready to blame everything on the rich white folk. It's worked for him so far. Cashing in on white guilt and black votes. He needs to get a real job, instead of continually running for office.

Come on topStory - the rest of us are willing to take the heat in person...

Sheila...I'll recognize your right to reject those of us with narrow minds as long as you never reject those of us with wide asses!
:)
LOL. And have a good night.
--Lard

That's why I was talken to you Hunny Bunny ;0)

Good night!

I love it when the Clintonites attack credibility. Obama has a growing credibility issue. It is the natural by-product of Washington "experience."

Because people are constantly pouring over transcript after transcript - looking for any type of inconsistency. (Again - this is what lawyers do to "take down" our "adversaries)

The Clintons HAVE a credibility issue. Bill has a worse one than HRC - but his issues might be OK this year given the climate. Unfortunately, for Hillary - she has a credibility issue on Iraq. And you can point to a quote her and there - where Obama tried to "shade" his opposition - so as to not expose many important members of his "party." (sounds pretty loyal and unselfish to me).

But Clinton's vote on Iraq - and the implausible explanation that she thought George W. Bush was going to engage in productive diplomacy with Saddam Hussein - places her in a difficult position against McCain.

McCain can argue he also disagreed with how Bush "conducted" the Iraq War. And he spoke out. And McCain can say he was right on the surge and Clinton was wrong.

Just as he did to Romney - McCain will argue HRC's positions on Iraq are based on polls. He will also question her authenticity (another HRC weakness vs. McCain strength). And Hillary is in the worst position out of the Big 3 in terms of lobbyist money.

I wouldn't have said it.

Yes Wendy,
It is not a personal attack on Obama. He's probably a decent guy. It isn't about race, though he helped play that card many times from the start. Hard for a Black candidate not to fall into the hole. But the real issue is judgement, the circle of associations and the authenticity of the hope and change he promises. He has not been bold, voting tough votes, bipartisan or even consistent from one policy statement to another, or one damage control spin to another..

He's just a politican with some oratory ability and a large base that wants to push him through. I keep saying look at Duval at work in a Liberal State. My objection to Obama has purely been one of policy, record, consistency, principle and authenticity. He puts Jesse and Sharpton to shame, but his time is not now. He will get beaten by McCain for many of the wrong reasons. And guess what?.......Bush isn't to blame. Democrats can't see their own clift a coming, let alone the threats brewing in the world. Ironic that Obama talked of Reagan. RDs will likely walk for reasons other than race. Reagan was as authentic as history showed him to be. And even Powers would admit, Hillary is an authentic monster. McCain is a authentic character and Cheny is a cult icon. Obama is the the superstar, you know, you watch their stories years later on the entertainment channel. Imagine if Obama really was Muslim. I wonder how far he would reject his cleric's mentorship if he had said such things.. What signal does Obama send ?

Obama said quite clearly that if voters rejected him, we would never resolve our problems. What an arrogant statement. Not many caught it.

Obama has the worst record of taking lobbyist money and having lobbyists on staff and pretending he doesn't. . There is no question he has misrepresented his position on these issues to the public.

The Obama campaign is having credibility issues. They allowed the Wright story to continue on even Obama's appearance on all the news outlets didn't stop it. Rezko continues you.

LL
I'm not going all paranoid
What the problem is, it is a small world. especially when you live in an immigrant neighborhood.

A friend of mine has been helping a group of Somalis put together a nonprofit charity. Now considering the chaos in Somalia what are the odds that at least one of those Somalis some one who is in touch with Al queda. I'll put up money they know some one who knows someone.
For me what is worrysome about the NSA and their daisy chaining phone# is how quickly they will get to people that have no real connection to the original problem.
I would just as soon the government didn't start investigating me. I have rental houses and some times I forget to..... well you know. Eliot Spitzers problem is very instructive as to what can happen when the government comes calling.

Jack

Another paraphrase from Winston C. (i think or maybe one of my uncles):

A dog looks up to you.

A cat looks down on you.

And a pig treats you as his equal.

Hell Jack,

Just inform the NSA what you're up to. Why wait? Now if you have reasons for the government to not investigate you, then helping Somalis might not be a great idea.

Smoking weed is the only thing that can explain this video

The Beach Boys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_KY_d9MQv8

Jack

[Get a shorter nickname]:

"Obama has the worst record of taking lobbyist money"

I beg to differ:

http://hillary-clinton-president.blogspot.com/2008/02/clinton-gets-most-lobbyist-money-mccain.html

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/06/lobbyists.democrats/index.html

Whiskey...the Father of All Evil is John Poindexter. It's like, you'd think Iran-Contra would be enough demonstration of bad judgment for one lifetime. But no. He had to come back and dole out more bad judgment. And, sure, he was roundly rejected for his "Total Information Awareness" proposal after 9-11. But while those ideas were very publicly rejected, they just as surely were (for the most part) very secretly instituted.

It is scary, for sure.

Craig Crawford is so right on most of the time that the sexist bunch at MS/NBC seems to have banished him from their political programming!

Several commentators have said the speech today was the best statement on race since MLK's "I have a dream..." invocation and one wacko (Sorry, Chris!) even compared it to the best of President Lincoln.

Sorry, but this was an attempt to avoid the destruction of a campaign, not some elevating "teaching opportunity" as many pundits have suggested.

Senator Obama has spent the last 20 years closely associated with a pastor who hasn't gotten the message that he's "retired" according to the church web site at http://www.tucc.org/pastor.htm and also claims the U. S. of K.K.K. A. started the AIDS epidemic, imports drugs into the inner city to destroy African-American youth and deserved what it got on 9/11.

I hope Democratic voters wake up and realize this guy is completely unelectable before it is too late!

Wendy!: No Quarters is very proHillary. No point going there for unbiased information.

I shall have to start thinking of you as GORDO pursuing a master's degree.

Congradulations Max.

Now your on their list, enjoy

Jack
Hey, they're both here under fake names. Obvious terrorist .
hey I didn't say that!
did you?
nope not me.
must be the russians.
yea, Max is a russian code name.
who said that?
not me

Posted by: warren | March 18, 2008 8:08 PM

You edited the quote so the rest of your statement is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with the original point.

Obama pretends he doesn't have anything to do with lobbyist. It is not true.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/09/pacs_and_lobbyists_aided_obamas_rise/

DOG! Glad I came back. . . You crack me up!

Jack...keep this up, and we'll have to get you a new handle: Anon-WhiskeyJack-Paranoid.

the more beer I drink, the narrower my "mind" gets.......I'm tawkin' razor blade thickness at the present time.......

Hey there Chef Sheila. Just checking in. Good to find you here. Among other good company this evening.

Sturg. LOL.
Maybe it's time for a national conversation about Budweiser.

the more beer I drink, the narrower my "mind" gets.......I'm tawkin' razor blade thickness at the present time.......

Posted by: sturgeone

Sturg
Can you clap with your ears?

For those who have been listening to Imus since his return: has he taken on race relations? Seemed he was thinking of doing so when he had his near death experience (was it last spring?).

I shall try to catch his show on radio tomorrow. Have never heard him since he got booted from the channel whose name I dare not type.

Hey Dog

I look at headlines from at least 34 blogs a day - they run the gamut - pro Hillary, pro Obama (visit Talking Points Memo daily - even though I won't read the comments or comment there myself), neutral, conservative and moderate - I sometimes find interesting points of view on them or at the very least will find links to interesting stories I may have missed.

And I'm the one being accused of being closed or narrow minded.

[shrugs]

to each his/her own.

Dog...

It was indeed only last Spring. (Or way back last Spring, depending on how you look at it.)

Either way, I didn't check to see if the Rutgers women made the bracket again this year.

Does anyone happen to know? I just root for anyone to beat Pat Summit and the Lady Vols. Don't care if they're from Rutgers or anywhere else.

Doggy dear,

What is YOUR analysis of the Speech?

LL
I forgot
lol
After that story Anon will probably never post here again.

Ya know I had to hit the refresh button 3 times before that last post appeared, Makes ya wonder..........
Here have alittle fun with the subject with this animated cartoon

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-wh-nsawiretapping,0,1906650.flash

Jack

I don't even remember who won the Ladies Basketball Championship last year...'cause the "Whiney Women of Wutgers"(as my sweet nephew would say)stole the spotlight.

Geez, Obama's speech didn't unite THIS blog, did it?!

Flail away at each other if you must; I believe today's speech will replace Obama's famous Keynote Address as his signature speech.

It's worthy of another watching if you only saw part of it , or if you saw it whole. It really was a great speech. Sure the message was different from his comments about his not being in the pew when Wright went off...that was what the speech was about...explaining things. I have heard many race-issue talks and speeches over the years and I have heard Bill Cosby in person and had an audience-speaker dialog with him...but I ain't never heard nothing like today's speech. Outstanding .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#23691239

LL
they are a number 2 seed
http://www.scarletknights.com/basketball-women/

Jack

Jack...that link is wonderful and hilarious. Thanks!

Here it is again for anyone else who wants a good belly laugh between nightmares:

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-wh-nsawiretapping,0,1906650.flash

Wow Dex,

Huge Compliment. ;0)

Jack,

I think you shared that one a couple of weeks ago?...I think. Anyway, I got such a kick out of it, I sent it to everyone I know. ;0)

Lush
Objecting to having your name used in a N*gger joke is not whiney IMNSHO

Jack

LushIsLinda...

As a Virginian, are you familiar with the story that Tennessee basketball coach Pat Summit once ordered her private jet to keep flying over Virginia and not touch down even as she was in labor with child...just so her child would not be born on Virginia soil?

Once I heard that story, Summit was on my Forever Shit List. Totally nauseating.

Go Scarlet Knights!!

" I am so proud to accept Barack Hussein Obama into MY Democratic Party."

Is that what you said when you proudly cast your vote for Ronald Reagan? Ah yes, he brought change.

CSF:

I parsed a sentence in which you made two points. I took issue with one of them.

It is nothing like Hillary's speech on Iraq - in which she parsed a quote from Samantha Power (using a sound byte from a paragraph-long point) to distort Obama's position on Iraq.

What's worse. Is that Obama's position - that any plan to get troops out of Iraq must be based on (i) the facts on the ground, and (ii) the advice of the generals - is correct.

Is HRC going to keep her "promise" to pull troops out in 60 days if circumstances have drastically changed and the Joint Chiefs tells her it is a bad idea?

If she says yes - she is not ready to be Commander in Chief.

"'...we baby boomers are the worst. "

I don't even have an answer for this sort of ugly. How dare you sneer at Civil Rights, the women's movement, the anti-war movement -- God!

Warren

The original point of your post is lost in the mess you have made trying to run away from it.

Whatever dude.

Is that what you said when you proudly cast your vote for Ronald Reagan? Ah yes, he brought change.

Posted by: Patsi | March 18, 2008 8:41 PM

So If the shoe fits, I'll proudly wear it. I am an American and I voted. that in itself is an amazing accomplishment in this country.

The beauty of being an American is my ability to vote my concience and not be beaten to a pulp for it. So it the shoe fits. I've got a size fits all to wear. More tolerant.

i know a lot of you have mentioned that he didnt throw rev wright under the bus ....your right ....HE THREW HIS WHITE GRANDMOTHER UNDER THE BUS ..... saying she made racial slurs that nade him cringe

"But all the same, when was the last time you heard someone say what we have all thought at one time, on national TV? Such a delicate subject and now its become a public debate. "

He sure as hell ran from it until he was forced to talk about it.

Obama's forgotten people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP-YoB5mnZs

It's rather sad that some people no matter what side of his divide you fall on can't give credit where credit is due

Ain' that the truth
http://clinton1.nara.gov/White_House/EOP/OP/html/ut.html

"'...we baby boomers are the worst. "

I don't even have an answer for this sort of ugly. How dare you sneer at Civil Rights, the women's movement, the anti-war movement -- God!

Posted by: Patsi | March 18, 2008 8:44 PM

Stop demonizing about my talking about what you are doing.

Beating a Dead Horse...... ;0) That is all Patsi....LOL

LL

the Rutgers team will have to beat UConn

http://sportsline.com/ncaawbasketball/mayhem/brackets/east

Jack

Jack...UConn will be fine by me if they win.

Sue Bird ruled back in the day (like, four years ago)!! And was totally under-covered by the media. What an awesome athlete.

Wonder what she's doing now?

Please put my comment into perspective with both posts before you rant at me Patsi. ;0)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/obama-hopes-for-a-teaching-mom.html#comment-54433

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/obama-hopes-for-a-teaching-mom.html#comment-54440

I don't remember any N*****joke...I must have missed something.

...and quite honestly, I really don't follow women's basketball(so, no, LL, I am not familiar with the Pat Summit story).

I just remember asking my husband, after weeks and weeks of the "Wutgers Women Whining", "hey...who won the championship, anyway?"

Imus being fired was only more publicity as far as he was concerned........he has two black comedians on the show full time and their main requirement seems to be only that they are funny.....they chime in at will just like the rest of the crew while remembering that the old white cowboy is still the boss......Imus in the morning. Springsteen wishes he were the boss.........

"Stop demonizing about my talking about what you are doing. "

Sorry Sheila, you continually remind me of the Reagan era mentality. Morning in America! Forget about what the grassroots populists really did for this country. You flow with the tide.

"HE THREW HIS WHITE GRANDMOTHER UNDER THE BUS ..... saying she made racial slurs that nade him cringe"
--tz

how funny...I said something like to my husband tonight!! I didn't exactly say BHO threw his dear, sweet Granny under the bus....but rather that he was willing to throw her off the bus into oncoming traffic!!"

Patsi,

And you remind me that I like how I grew up. My Dad taught me tolerance and I do not see much in you.

I'm surprised you let all this hate out only on a blog. Why don't you air it more in public. Might do you good. ;0)

You bitter wind does no good here.

"I can no more disown (Rev. Wright) than I can my white grandmother--a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe." - Senator Barack Obama

TM - "And what kind of man throws his "white grandmother" at us in such a way? "

http://taylormarsh.com/

throw gramma from the train

danny devito

Warren

"Is HRC going to keep her "promise" to pull troops out in 60 days if "

This is another one of those non issue issues. Both senators have said that while they have "plans" to start drawing down as rapidly as possible with the safety of the troops allows, they have both said that those plans depend on what the conditions are at the time they take office since they can't possibly know what those conditions are or will be until Bush leaves office.

There is litterally no difference between their positions except adjectives and adverbs.

linda

the sad part is that its true ....i see im not the only one who picked that out lol

"I can no more disown (Rev. Wright) than I can my white grandmother--a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe." - Senator Barack Obama

There that looks much better with out the silly comments attached.

Jack

Is gramma still alive?

and I would like to know:

exactly wft does "uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes" mean?

did she use racial slurs?

correction..."wtf" 8)

KGC......if I think real hard.....and click my ears together 3 times........I get to leave this fantasy land and go back to the black and white SC I knew when I toddled from room to room on unsteady legs......I mean, limbs......I think that was earlier tonight, but the jury's still out.......

"You bitter wind does no good here. "

Sorry Sheila....you seem to have not only bitterness, but a sort of ugly meanspirited way of addressing anyone who disagrees with you, especially other women.

Sturg..I second your question about grams. I wondered the same thing when I heard BHO referring to her in the present tense today (ie., "she loves"..."a woman who loves me"...etc., etc.)

That's not how you talk about people who are Taking the Dirt Nap, as James Ellroy so succinctly referred to death.

If she is indeed alive, someone needs to locate her, and ask her a few questions.

Oh My Goodness Patsi,

You have an unusual way of demonizing anyone YOU disagree with. I never started this. my posts were about the amazing speech Obama had today and how it would change history and that it was not political.

You should look inside youself. Clearly.

Sheila: I find you a calming presence. For what it's worth.

But voting for Reagan! Girlfriend!

speaking of Ellroy.....that AMERICAN TABLOID was one hell of a book.........highly recommendable......

Thanks Dog, I find you a calming sweet perfumed wind. ;0)

If she is indeed alive, someone needs to locate her, and ask her a few questions.

Yes, she is alive. But she is not takeing questions.
Why would you want to harrass the old woman any way.

Jack

I always cringe when I sense "worship" on the human plane.

Sheila...I know you were talking to Patsi, but just in case you ever ask me to look inside myself, I already have. And here is the inventory:

--An empty whiskey bottle
--A pair of high-heeled shoes favored by late 1980s lap dancers.
--An old Missouri license plate
--An uncounted 2000 Florida ballot marked for Al Gore
--A copy of the Bill of Rights.

Other than that, just the usual fare.

Listen Dog,

I am at least honest in claiming my mistakes. I am still proud of voting in every election of my age.

If Patsi or anyone else wants to slam or demonize me for voting....hey! I wrote in Nader once and that was the Clinton/Dole campaign. ;0)

Of course I voted for Dukakis too....and hey i voted for Gore Three times. So hey.

Getting upset at my voting record is just plain moot. ;0)

I voted. More than a huge number can say.

I guess BHO's Grandma is still alive, well and living in Hawaii.

Jamie:

"This is another one of those non issue issues."

Than why did she bring it up to try and hurt Obama in her major Iraq Speech.

"There is litterally no difference between their positions except adjectives and adverbs."

Than why did Hillary use's Power's quote to try and raise an issue about Senator Obama's credibility.

(and by the looks of this blog - it has worked)

Sheila,

The speech today was good, well crafted and delivered, and said some things that needed saying. I didn't find it all that amazing. It was definitely political. He had to make it to save his own campaign after the Wright videos.

LL

An uncounted 2000 Florida ballot marked for Al Gore

.....I forgive you.... lol

Jack...I'd harrass her just the same as they harrassed a hard-drinkin', skunk-haired, Hot Springs slut named Virginia Kelly back in '92.

What? Are you kidding me man?

What's her phone number? I'll call her up right now.

Jamie

I respect your opinion. At least you are dialoging.

worship always seems to lead down the long and winding road to assassination.......Ghandi, Lennon, King, Kennedy, Kennedy, etc.

"Even as Barack Obama tries to focus his campaign away from racially charged remarks by his former pastor, the Democrat senator could become haunted by his call last year to fire radio host Don Imus, who had referred to women on the Rutgers basketball team as "nappy-headed hos."

"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News in a story dated April 11, 2007, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."

(Yes, I know it is WND.)

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59319

BTW,

Just to give a cure for all the ugly tapes of Wright, here is the sermon that gave Senator Obama the Title of his book: The Audacity to Hope

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZROa0rlMU

It is a recording not a video, but it is a remarkable and beautiful sermon.

guess you could include reagan in that except he must have ducked......

However jamie,

Obama's speech will change the dialog of race. It will make it easier to dialog about. It will become an important speech.

awwwww...here's a pic of BHO's Grandparents 8)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1977744/posts

reagan.......the actor........the one with alzheimers.......our president.........

Here is part 2 of the sermon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9_LQKlLSBo

Jamie:

It was political in this sense - it was more effective - and got a wider audience - because Obama did it in response to the race firestorm that was taking place in the media.

You call it political. I call it timely. If he would of had a speech like this back at the start of the primary - without prompting - he would of got far-less attention (and I think most have at least agreed the issue of race needs attention). It would have been labeled a speech to pander to the black vote (and worse) - when it was obviously - in intent and substance - much more.

It is somehow devious that Obama made this speech at a time when America was ready to listen?

Sheila.......if any of the stuff youre saying about obama comes true I'll eat my hat.....which is not to say I would not be pleased to be shown wrong........

Oh shit. Grandma's actually still alive? I had no idea.

Well, folks, we might as well just suspend all blogging and commenting for now. Because everything we think we know about Obama at this moment will be rendered moot once she is located and interviewed. (And, trust me, she will be)

Some ones having a little fun with Obama
Don't know if I've posted it before or not

Barack in Bollywood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkcHdCK2pb0

Jack

Obama=Wright=Farrakhan=WRONG Obama says he is a uniter and can appeal to all folks. Why has Obama belonged to a Black Sepratist church for so long? He's Half White - so how many times has he went to a WHITE church. He lacks credibility on the race issue. He exposed his kids to Hate Pastor Wright and he didn't challenge the pastor. He should have at least done that or had left the church. He allowed ignorance to spread to all those gullable perishoners. That's wrong. He will lose the white vote. Plain and simple he still hasn't explained his INaction. His blaming talk radio and conservatives is laughable. so much for uniting us. Do I assume he will stop boycotting foxnews and stop going to huffingtonpost move on and msnbc? I doubt it.

( i would be pleased because i have a hat made of cantaloupe......)

Sturg,

Hunny bunny, while being important for NON political reasons, I don't think it will impact his candidacy. I think it will impact our children's world. just like many years later MLK did too. At the time MLK was too hard for many too listen to.

So, I hope we will be able to look back at this moment and remember where we were. ;0)

Dog,

Check your email...

Grandma has a wiki page!!

check it out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madelyn_Dunham

Sturgeone,

send me an email to gedpik@hotmail.com

Sheila
When it come to spelling you and I can hold our heads up high.
Thanks Deano I am now not the worst speller here

Jack

"Than why did Hillary use's Power's quote to try and raise an issue about Senator Obama's credibility. "

Oh maybe because he keeps slamming her and saying she had no plans to withdraw troops. She quoted power because he was saying immediate withdrawal and power said, "not so much". IOW, they are both playing politics and hoping their various audiences won't actually bother to check what has been said in previous debates and speeches by themselves and advisors.

My biggest problem with Obama supporters is that they often come across as worshipers at the shrine.

He's a politician. He tells half truths and shades meanings. He tells audiences some version of his stump speech that he thinks they want to hear. It goes with the territory. She does the same.

I dont think calling me "Hunny Bunny" is helping to set up the path to accord.........

Jack,,,,, ;0)

So Deano is 1st, Jack is a distant 2nd, and that makes me 3rd, right?

Sheila needs a good laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-jE2X62U5k&feature=related

What about a contalope hat? ;0)

For the folks who keep commenting on Obama's kids listening to Reverend Wright. I don't go to church all that much now but I grew up Catholic and went to Protestant churches frequently with friends when I was young. Often the kids leave the pews right before the sermon and head over to do Sunday School activities (or in some churches they are at Sunday School the whole time!) It's not fair to assume his children heard anything inappropriate. I believe we can all agree that the Obama's seem like excellent parents.

Sheila...I watched the whole speech, and I will ALWAYS remember where I was: Sitting on my sofa in my gym shorts, finishing off the cold dregs of a cup of coffee, watching a lizard chase a palmetto bug across the window pane and trying to decide whether I should scratch my ass or pay the bills.

Now, I know it's not as romantic as the picture you paint, but still...THAT'S what I call history!

sci-fi author Clarke is dead

Damn LL,

Was that you I wasted all those dollar bills on way back when?

Lard....

Now I will always remember what YOU were doing! lol

Rez. No worries. I was the guy in the next booth, wasting all those dollars along with you.

Jack

I love those Bollywood dance numbers.

lol .sorry..

Well its finally been let out of the bag. What might that be.

John Edwards was right when he said there are two America's. Those who are rich and elitist and the rest of us. How do I know?

Patsi just posted it. And since the Clintons are part of the establishment and ruling class she confirmed what Edwards said.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/obama-hopes-for-a-teaching-mom.html#comment-54407

It no longer matters who get the nomination because the party is split and because of that will lose in November, that is if we have elections.

I guess now is as good a time as ever to condemn all those white preachers and ministers as well for all their racists and bigoted remarks.

Some of them have even called for the assassination of foreign leaders and blamed America for 9/11 and the destruction of N.O. because of Homosexuality.

So let all candidates throw all these so called religious leaders under the bus. You know the ones, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson and the like. Don't they preach HATE from their pulpits every day and twice on Sunday?

Its nice to see that someone had the balls to call America out about there being Two America's and see what it got him.

Let me also say that it really didn't matter what Obama said because no one who is a fervent supporter of Hillary would ever believe him anyway.

However this ends up the damage is already done and like Pandora's Box once opened it will be near impossible to put everything back in and close the lid.

Good luck because our country will sure the Hell need it.

sheila, send me an email to gedpik@hotmail.com

bearjou get my email?

so, LL...did you pay your bills?? 8~D

I glanced at american idol tonight.....that David Archuleta kid is unbeatable.....

Anon-P

Some times for real progress to be made, Uncomfortable topics need to be stretched and exercised.

I think this is all a good thing.

God Bless! ;0)

Lushis...no bills paid just yet. But the lizard DID catch the bug...the coffee mug DID go in the dishwasher...and I've been "sitting comfortably" all day, if you get my drift.

obama's speech was 'amazing'' magnificent'' spellbinding''''' what did he say about social security''' national debt''' the war'''stagnant wages''' price of gas ''' global warming''' trade deficit'' inflation'energy crisis'' terrorist
he's right we all will come together as one people
all broke and hungry

I learned a long time ago in my time in the forest as a young and not so young student of the trees, the wind, and the moss of the north side that one should never cast his swirls before pine.

Bear,

Mission accomplished. Did you receive it?

Sheila,

"Obama's speech will change the dialog of race. It will make it easier to dialog about. It will become an important speech. "

You may be right. I put up a message much earlier that simply indicated that the whole issue seemed so old to me. It's a conversation I've been having for about 50 years and the whole blow up from the beginning of the Wright tapes to Obama's speech just feels like so much "What else is new?"

Arthur C. Clarke

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23697230/

Jeez - that one sounds paranoid...

Don't worry anon - Obama is changing the tone of the debate.

I also do not agree that the Democratic enthusiasim to take back the White House - which has led to record turn-outs, crowds, interest and contributions - will all of a sudden go away - and the GOP will waltz right through the general to finish the disaster that Bush has started.

Warren...you probably also thought that Obama Girl's enthusiastic willingness to show her pantied ass to the entire country on YouTube meant she would actually drag said pantied ass out to vote when it mattered most. But you're excused for thinking that. The rest of us probably thought that too.

maybe that was cast not your squirrels before pine.......

by golly.......I think he's got it.........

Okay Sheila...with that pearl of a comment from you, it's finally time for this swine to sign off.

See you all later. Enjoyed it tonight.

Bear,

Do you still write your blog?

Jamie,

All cynicism aside, sometimes you need to breath different air and look with new eyes. renew the idea of hope.

Night night lard.

I have to go to bed too. My melitonin is kicking in.

Bear:

I do agree that the Clintons have a couple of cards in their pocket they have yet to play.

Those Clintons have deep pockets (in terms of political connections and cold hard cash).

This fight ain't over - even if today - we all saw a little peice of history for ourselves....

(what were you doing again LL? anyways - it sounds better than listening to it at the office....)

(no worries OD - I did it pro bono because I believe things can change for the better.)

And let's get real - we all know it can be better - cause it is - we see progress all around us. We just need Washington to catch up...

Sheila, sturgeone,

I just sent you a link...use it and guard it...

Bear,

just used it thanks and Congrats. Will be partaking. ;0)

stevie ray vaughn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDBIbJKjAZQ

"mary had a little lamb"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaX7Y1GQl5w

Albert King & Stevie Ray Vaughan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXBdJkTDgbw

Hi Sheila...

I was not talking about the speech as much as I was about the Party being destroyed.

It don't matter anymore if Obama is the nominee or not as well.
This has now taken a whole race and denied that the whole process has turned this into a Black Man against a White Woman.

No matter who gets the nomination the AA community will never return to the Democratic Party for many generations to come.

And the White community will never forget that a Black Man challenged a White Woman.

And all of us in between will left exactly where we are right now. Watching the destruction of our country when our country should be one.

America is not one and there are two America's. Get use to staying in and living in the Two America's as all hope seems to have been lost to our Nation to Become One.

Take care Sheila, I really don't like to post much anymore here. Instead of promoting your candidate your to busy destroying the other person's candidate. And that goes for both sides, even me as I lose my temper and respond in kind.

Catch you later.

Sheila...

YOU TOO!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yRdDnrB5kM

the killer

killer, part deux

Minnie the moocher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08wOPt-2PeE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQMYtUB2Y_k&NR=1

Cab Calloway - Reefer Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D44pyeEvhcQ

Come out of the bunker Clintonites. "The weather is just fine..."

obama will win the nomination'' with the help of the superdelegates''' he can not '' will not '' should not win in the general election against mccain

mqw,

Can you tell me who's going to win the Derby, I want to bet Jamie some big money.

i'd rather have four years of mccain '' than to listen to this senseless'endless babble about who's rascist'' he a racsist she's 'a racsist .everybody 's trying to keep the black man down.GET OVER IT

No derby prediction?

I know I know - it's Talking Points Memo which is a pro-Obama blog and not an unbiased view...but interesting information none the less

"A new poll out of Florida, commissioned by the St. Petersburg Times, gives some credence to the Hillary campaign's argument that the failure to seat the state's delegation could cause serious damage to the eventual Dem nominee this Fall."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/poll_one_quarter_of_florida_de.php

Here is another link about the above poll - at the very least I bet Craig will find it interesting...or at least give him an I told you so moment.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/03/by-adam-c-smith.html

obamahead not getting his way falls out on the floor kicking and screaming
i want my obammy
i want my obammy

This is cute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QshvHUmSVc0

Wendy:

I will be working hard for Obama. It is my home state!!

My grandfather - a veteran already said he won't vote for McCain. He thinks the GOP has gone mad!

Plus, I think I can convince my brother - he doesn't pay too much attention to politics. And my mom has been in the tank for Obama ever since this race got going. My dad is a pushover - and plus he is starting to like Obama.

(just kidding dad - you have your moments : )

Looks like 2 supderD endorsements for Hillary today - things swinging back in her direction

Murtha Endorses Clinton - Looks like DNC member Pat Maroney too

:-D

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/murtha-endorses-clinton/

Oh Warren

Obama might win the nomination but he won't be President...no matter how much you hope everyone will join hands and sing Cumbya

;-)

Anyway...did you see that USC is #6 seed in the NCAA tournament...isn't that shocking? I can't believe we're seeded so high...the new OJ is actually paying off.

Wendy:

She needs to start winning states, delegates and votes.

We already got that 21-year old Super D - and I bet that kid knows more about change than Murtha and whoever that other guy is.

Obama will do well with the elected officials - especially ones that need to worry about their political futures (as opposed to their political pasts).

Racists endorse Obama on candidate's website

New Black Panther Party condemns 'white men,' Jews, praises candidate

Just as Sen. Barack Obama sought to distance himself from controversial racial remarks made by his pastor, an anti-American government, anti-white and virally anti-Semitic black supremacist party has endorsed the presidential candidate ...

Speaking to WND, Shabazz referred to Obama as a man with a "Muslim background, a man of color."

He claimed Jews engaged in an "African holocaust" and he has promoted the anti-Semitic urban legend 4,000 Israelis fled the World Trade Center just prior to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

When Shabazz was denied entry to Canada last May while trying to speak at a black action event, he blamed Jewish groups and claimed Canada "is run from Israel."

(Yes, I know it is WND.)

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59326

Your doomsday predictions are not as scarry as the thought of the Clinton campaign taking the "kitchen sink" approach to McCain and the Republican party - and running smack into the Right Wing attack machine - further tearing this country apart.

And I don't know the words to Kumbya.

Well...let's see how it all plays out...

A lot going on that could swing things in her direction...

wait and see...wait and see...

I think USC has a better chance of shocking the NCAA tournament world this year than McCain's ASU...he's dreaming. What do you think?

I think it was pretty smart of the McCain campaign to put up an NCAA pool on his website.

BTW - clearly I don't know the words either

ROFL

[shrugs]

Your tenacity is much cuter than that video you posted ; )

It looked like it was written by Mark Penn. Cute or funny are not his strong suits.

yea...nothing better to do...

we bet ASU 2 out of 3 this season though...

UCLA will probably win it all

argh.

Oh well...we'll take our revenge during football season

going to bed now.

night.

point isn't the quality of the video

point is his contradictions - his new politics will disenfranchise voters as long as it benefits him politically. Now that is really not change anyone can believe in. The FL poll I posted shows that the Dems have a problem...obama is going to be at the root of it.

If he wins the nomination there will be a lot to undo him with.

I'm just trying to keep it real

Craig:

"Obama Hopes for a Teaching Moment"

Score one for Hope!!

now going to bed

;-)

don't stay up too late.

I will. (I always do)

Goodnight!

maybe obama could have spent his time better by talking to his preacher instead of giving the country a lecture on race.

dr. king was a black preacher and he got his point across without razing or cursing the village.

btw, craig -- can you shed any light on the profound toxic rage keith exhibits these days towards clinton? was it because she called out schuster and he had to take a time out?

it's really poisonous.

thanks.

Inasmuch as even the Right Wing folks were not negative about Obama's speech, I think it's done him well.

What he said needed to be said. And from what I've experienced, he's right. Everyone has those kinda folks in their family, even KOs grandfather.

So, yeah, it was to the point and right on. Well done calmness to contrast with The Rev's hysteria. And the mucho flags in the back with the blue were made to make him Presidential looking. It may have worked.

I don't have much of a dog in the Clinton vs Obama race. I WILL have a pit bull in the Dem vs McCain race though.

tt

Wendy,

Because you and gordo are soul mates, not only do I hope that OJ Simpson shows up at that game wearing his trojan pride, I hope your cheating alma mater (reggie bush and football violations) get beat by 20 in the first round...I will at least bet as such in Vegas.

If Hillary is the Nominee, she will go the way of Matt Leinart's career...down the tubes, infested with a Paris STD

ws,

Keith's rage is because he laid a lot of his professional credibility defending all things Clinton leading up to the campaign.

He is offended by her Iraq war vote and her unwillingness to admit that it was a mistake. He sees through her "I voted for diplomacy" ruse and he doesn't like it.

Next, he can't stand Mark Penn and the other INCOMPETENT handlers she chose to surround herself with at the start of this campaign. He worked in sports for years and he always tooled on overpaid and overconfident athletes who were prone to get beat by less talented but hungrier opponents.

To paraphrase the first line of Mad Seasons great song "River of Deceit", her pain is self chosen.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ClRfnUhVjmI

I see my friends are here now.

Here are a variety of reactions to the Obama Speech.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18/obama-race-speech-reactio_n_92121.html

David Corn
With racial sentiments swirling in the 2008 campaign--notably, Geraldine Ferraro's claim that Barack Obama is not much more than an affirmative action case and the controversy over his former pastor's over-the-top remarks-- Senator Obama on Tuesday morning responded to these recent fusses with a speech unlike any delivered by a major political figure in modern American history. While explaining--not excusing--Reverend Jeremiah Wright's remarks (which Obama had already criticized), he called on all Americans to recognize that even though the United States has experienced progress on the racial reconciliation front in recent decades (Exhibit A: Barack Obama), racial anger exists among both whites and blacks, and he said that this anger and its causes must be fully acknowledged before further progress can be achieved. Obama did this without displaying a trace of anger himself.

Andrew Sullivan
But I do want to say that this searing, nuanced, gut-wrenching, loyal, and deeply, deeply Christian speech is the most honest speech on race in America in my adult lifetime. It is a speech we have all been waiting for for a generation. Its ability to embrace both the legitimate fears and resentments of whites and the understandable anger and dashed hopes of many blacks was, in my view, unique in recent American history

Message to Keith Olbermann:

Bravo, Keith, but doesn't it embarrass you and your staff that you are afraid to post anything except the most tepid criticisms of your slanted primary coverage, along with the adoring posts of your most loyal fans?

Didn't anyone in your crack newsroom staff notice that Senator Obama changed his story sometime between your Friday night interview and his speech, when it became obvious that no one was buying his "didn't hear it" story?

We found out on Tuesday that he DID hear something controversial in Pastor Wright's tirades after all, but never appeared to have walked out of Trinity United or said anything to his still-NOT-retired pastor, as a quick check of the church's web site at http://www.tucc.org/pastor.htm would reveal.

Keith, if you think this little problem of a black racist preacher who claims the U.S. of K.K.K.A. infected the inner cities with AIDS and the scourge of drug addition, and directly attributes the attack on YOUR CITY to our effort to end the War in the Pacific, you, sir, must be secretly planning to vote for the winning presidential candidate, John McCain!

He will win, of course, against a mealy-mouthed candidate who lies about his association with his monstrously unpatriotic pastor, and you will continue to receive your Bush tax cut! As I said, Keith, bravo!

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