Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

harlem preacher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

I think affirmative action is the underpinning of the resentment that blacks and white have about race.

I know black people who feel that when they get a promotion, it wasn't due to merit but to the color of their skin.

I know white people who find themselves working for minorities who are in a position of authority, not because of experience, but because of race and gender.

I agree that a rational discussion needs to be had about this, but in this country, good luck.

Where's the Beef?

Looks like Obama is not going to give McCain a pass on his slip up.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080319/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc

He may be skinny - but he is tough!!

Okay here's my problem today. I don't know much about Michigan but in Florida didn't both canidates sign on to not campaign in Florida and agree with the DNC at the time? If either of them were so concerned about Florida couldn't they have fought the DNC at the time? and why would they sign the a pledge?

It just seems a bit hypocrital to me for all this fighting to be going on now about whether or not the votes should count.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4480868&page=1

"I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial," Obama said at a community meeting in Nelsonville, Ohio, earlier this month."

"The campaign had initially claimed Rezko-connected contributions were no more than $60,000, an amount the campaign donated to charity. Then the figure grew to around $86,000, and there were additional revelations that put the amount at about $150,000. Obama's $250,000 accounting was a substantial jump and clearly contradicted earlier campaign statements that Rezko was just one of "thousands of donors."

Does Obama want to “unite” the country by disenfranchising the millions of voters who voted in FL and MI. Of course, he knows he is going to lose both of these primaries. Hillary already won FL and both these states are typical of the LARGE states that Obama loses all the time.

In other news:

Hillary picks up 2 more super delegates including Rep. Murtha / PA which is huge considering his anti Iraq credentials

New Public Policy poll shows Hillary in a dead heat with Obama in NC, a state where he is (or was) heavily favored to win.

2 PA polls released yesterday show Hillary with a GROWING double digit lead in another LARGE important state that democrats must carry in November

NEW Gallup poll released today – Hillary LEADS Obama 49% to 42%

And I continue to ask:

Obama runs on “Change” yet didn’t have the guts or will to change his Reverend’s warped and destructive views.

Obama runs on “Hope” yet he sat in the pews and did nothing while his Reverend told parishioners that there was no hope for them

Obama runs on “Judgment” yet brought his two young, impressionable daughters to a church where the Reverend spews racial division and Anti – Semitism.

Craig Crawford you are the voice of reason. It's about time a pundit supported Hillary and exposed Obama for the phony he is. The rest of the media have drunk the Obama kool-aid. Thank you!!!

Jennbe

Florida and Michigan are very different. Florida State Democrats did fight the DNC, including the last resorts of several lawsuits. When the rules were agreed upon, the Florida Democratic Party has no idea the Republicans would move up the election day by five days.

The candidates agreed not to campaign because it was the ruling . Both candidates said they would seat the delegations before the election in Florida Obama has now changed his mind

Michigan is the result of an inter-party struggle.

It's fairly obvious, he had to make the speech yesterday that he did for specific reasons. Many of the pundits later suggested that in doing so, it was a good possibility that for him to bring up race as a topic in a presidential election was brave but suicidal. Only time will tell.

Craig, what were HRC specific proposed Affirm. Action program details? I seached her website and did not see the anything about blacks, civil rights or race (minorities).

This went up on the nonpartisan Politico website today. Not sure if it was posted here earlier. Basically reporting how the speech Tuesday did nothing to stem the right wing's appetite for riding the Obama-Wright connection to victory in November.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9116.html

ch:

"Obama runs on “Judgment” yet brought his two young, impressionable daughters to a church where the Reverend spews racial division and Anti – Semitism."

Have you ever been to that church? Or is your post based on the highlight reel shown over and over again from the media.

I wonder how many on this blog would look - if someone made a video of some of the stupidest things you have said in the last 8 years - and started playing them on national TV.

Oh Lord...Chris Obamatthews just manhandled Ellen, while he was dancing with her...LMAO!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HS9jNt8fJpc

BTW..."CO" also mentioned the thrill going up his leg, while he was discussing BHO with Ellen. Somebody stop him...pleaseeeeeeeeeeee!!

"that Rezko was just one of "thousands of donors."

Maybe Rezko and Norman Hsu can be cellies.

"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3031317

Craig, what were HRC specific proposed Affirm. Action program details? I seached her website and did not see the anything about blacks, civil rights or race (minorities).

She did not give THE SPEECH.but since you asked.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

It's funny how yesterday's speech has played so much better with Republican's I have spoken to than to you Clinton supporting Democrats. It really makes me wonder when a former Marine from South Alabama has a greater appreciation for Obama's words than from Democrats.

Now that I think of it, I can have more enjoyable conversations discussing issues like race, foreign policy and all things Americana with these folks instead of other Democrats...who'd a thunk it?

Hillary Clinton on Affirmative Action (Response to Supreme Court Decision)

http://clinton.senate.gov/~clinton/news/2003/2003623932.html

Obama should have answered the Rev. Wright questions truthfully and directly last week.

Obama is on record lying on more then just this issue, a pattern has developed. Obama continued to shade the truth until he had won more states, more popular vote and more delegates.

Chalk it up to inexperience.

Repost from last thread

Annon-P,

Most here agree that USA isn't all that it could be, probably never has been for everyone. The good old days you remember, probably give other people chills, the McCarthy era was bad for many. J. Edger Hoover spied on everyone and probably blackmailed alot of them. The Civil War killed how many Americans? We can go pretty far back and find all kinds of bad stuff. So I not willing to just throw up my hands and give up, and neither are most Americans.

My advise is to stay away from Sociology text books, they will really depress you

FYI regarding the DNC rules regarding re-vaotes, etc.:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/17/93114/2956

And thanks, Craig, for a bit of sanity.

Rez....when my son ran for Congress in the primary here, these were three issues in his platform:

Protect Affirmative Action.
Erase the disparities in Healthcare in minority communities.
Daycare vouchers for single parents trying to get off welfare.

His senior advisor, a black man, told him he thought it was political suicide to keep bringing those three things up in his speeches to white audiences. He kept it up anyway. And lost. Ha...

The republicans like it because they will be able to pull it apart, and lines out of context and use it against Obama.

"She did not give THE SPEECH.but since you asked."

Thanks, whoever you are, that's a neat site for all the candidates.

Obama had a lot of good material on Affirm Action there but I'm sorry I didn't see HRC's AA comments component.

Posted by: Bear | March 19, 2008 2:59 PM

Must be those Lincoln Chaffee Republicans.

Craig

Very interesting post today.

Interesting how he won't discuss it -

Also interesting that he seems to have abandoned Edward's desire to talk about poverty and economic injustice in America for the race issue.

Bear,

I would suggest that a Marine has had personal relationships with others of many races courtesy of the military and would likely be more comfortable discussing issues than many of the folks he left behind in Alabama. Also, there really are Republicans and conservatives who have grown over the period of the last 50 years to reject racism.

As for the Clinton supporters, I think the majority of us probably have close friends or family members of other races. As a result we are totally comfortable pointing out some of Senator Obama's flaws since to us he is an individual not a cause. The man may be perfectly lovable. The candidate leaves something to desire.

Thanks HIC, but I beleive that is was Senator Jeremy Ring (D) that sponsored the bill to change the date. In the election bill both parties got what they wanted a paper trail and an earlier primary. My main concern with all of this is that if HRC and BO were so concerned with counting all the votes they could have tried to fight against the DNC before the primary actually happened.

And another thing that gets overlooked when the campaigns are going on and on about this, is that we had a a huge Proprty Tax Amendment on the ballot which is the main reason there was such a high turnout.

What about the general election, won't thier flip flops on the issue be used against them?

I am not vehemently against Affirmative Action, but I am pretty much opposed. I almost didn't get a job that I was extremely qualified for simply because a black male also had a bachelor's degree. It didn't matter he had NO experience in the field, as the primary fundraiser for our community radio station. What finally turned it my way was that I was also pursuing a Master's Degree in Public Administration. From that point on, I pretty much soured on it. I had understood that affirmative action was intended to give a nod to underrepresented people who are otherwise equally qualified for the job.

I also have a friend who basically lied and said she was 1/2 filipina to try to get in the Washington State system, which I thought was odd, but she clearly felt that as a white woman she didn't have a prayer.... I feel that the best qualified, best experienced person deserves the job and when the quals and experiences are pretty much equal, then you look to see if either or the other is underrepresented in the organisation.

Craig,

Is something going on with the posting system? There seems to be a long delay.

It's funny how yesterday's speech has played so much better with Republican's I have spoken to than to you Clinton supporting Democrats. It really makes me wonder when a former Marine from South Alabama has a greater appreciation for Obama's words than from Democrats.

Now that I think of it, I can have more enjoyable conversations discussing issues like race, foreign policy and all things Americana with these folks instead of other Democrats...who'd a thunk it?

Posted by: Bear | March 19, 2008 2:59 PM

Contrary to most Democratic views, the majority of Republicans are very level headed.;)

warren -"I wonder how many on this blog would look - if someone made a video of some of the stupidest things you have said in the last 8 years - and started playing them on national TV."
- I have never said on or off camera:
G**D***America
America created AIDS
Riding Dirty
U.S.KKKA.
N*****
America deserved 911

oh Patsi, I was just going to say that strong support for Affirmative Action would be political suicide.

Erasing disparities in health care in minority communities is very interesting. I think that probably didn't fly so well is that it looked at ethnicity instead of the overall situation of disparities in the health care system, which is why UNIVERSAL health care is such an important step to help everyone get quality health care.

the daycare voucher system is a beautiful idea. We can't keep telling mothers that they have to have their babies, not get welfare but get a job and still take care of their children. If they go to work, they are damned for not being at home with the kids. If they are at home, they are damned for not working. It sucks!

Question... can anyone explain why Obama is refusing the revote plan in Michigan? And if there is not a revote, what is the likely result at the National convention? I suspect an even meaner and tougher floor fight. Thoughts?

New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton picked up a marquee endorsement in the presidential race late Tuesday from Rep. John P. Murtha , the dean of the Pennsylvania congressional delegation and a leading critic of the Iraq War.

Murtha, who has represented a portion of western Pennsylvania since becoming the first Vietnam veteran elected to Congress in 1974, said Clinton is best positioned to make policy on health care, education, the economy and the war.

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000002690394

Bowman

That is like the Faulkner quote: The past isn't dead. It isn't even past.

Every era has something absolutely horrid going on. Humanity seems to do this two steps forward, one step back dance with ocassional massive slides downhill followed by rare visits to the mountain top.

All any of us can do is keep trying to make our little section of the world a bit better and hope others are attending to theirs.

Jennbe

And another thing that gets overlooked when the campaigns are going on and on about this, is that we had a a huge Proprty Tax Amendment on the ballot which is the main reason there was such a high turnout.

I think you will find the following article interesting.
It argues the Republicans did this to suppress the vote by Democratic turnout.

" move, which would become effective in 30 days unless Florida Democrats reach a compromise with the national party, came after the committee found that the Republican-dominated state legislature had violated party rules by scheduling primary balloting for Jan. 29. Party rules require that only certain primaries be held before Feb. 5

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/lesley_clark/story/19227.html

FYI regarding the DNC rules regarding re-vaotes, etc.:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/17/93114/2956

And thanks, Craig, for a bit of sanity.

Posted by: ohio | March 19, 2008 3:05 PM

Thanks for this Ohio, but the article was posted by an HRC supporter, as he stated in the article.

Patsi,

Good for him. Tough lesson. Honesty and a couple of bucks will get you a grande Caffé Americano at Starbucks. :)

Well I was hoping we'd be having a conversation here, controversial or otherwise, but it seems the blog has stopped working...

Maybe when you guys post, add the time you're hitting submit (Eastern Daylight would be great, but local is fine too).

Am curious how long it's taking for posts to hit the thread.

uh, so did I remember to follow my own suggestion? No. But sent earlier one through about 3:32 and this one's following at 3:34 p.

ET

Keep refreshing the page. Don't resend messages. For some reason everything is really slow posting.

I'm going to go on a limb and say that Lincoln Chaffee wouldn't feel to welcome in South Alabama or in Texas, unless he was going to do some coke with the Pres in Crawford to relive old times...

Jamie, your curiosity about Mr Obama's professorial relationships with his students raised my interest. I just did a quick Google. Here's the only result:
http://www.thirdcoastpress.com/images/tcp_3mar04.pdf

It was glowing.

Here's the Google I used:
Obama mentoring "university of chicago" "was my professor" students -wright -michelle

So I Googled the report's author. I smells a rat. Try:
Dan Johnson-Weinberger

It's working, it just has blog lag. It is what happens when you spend too much time blogging instead of what you are really supposed to be doing.

2/18/2008
"It may well all be by the rules, but there is something seriously undemocratic about a nominating process that grants 461 delegates to 1,176,579 Democratic caucus goers while completely disenfranchising 2,326,717 Democratic Primary voters.

Here are the individual participation totals:

Iowa: 236,000
Nevada: 117,559
Alaska: 8,621
Colorado: 120,001
Idaho: 21,234
Kansas: 37,089
Minnesota: 206,559
New Mexico: 153,299
North Dakota: 19,102
Nebraska: 12,445
Maine: 44,670
Washington: 200,000 (est. see below)

Michigan: 592,261
Florida: 1,734,456"

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/18/103344/091

FYI: seems to be about a 19-minute lag.

JennBe

State Senator Jeremy Ring, a Broward County Democrat who joined Republicans in pushing for a January 29th primary date has withdrawn his endorsement of Senator Barack Obama.

Ring is extensively quoted saying he wanted to blow up the primary system and that he was sure the DNC would seat the delegation as voted on 1/29.

Probably not a good idea to invite Ring and Senator Nelson to the same dinner party.

Every party has whack jobs.

Craig,

More and more you sound like a Clinton Go-Sheeple. What do they have on you? Wonder what they had on Murtha? You can bet it was something, because that is how the Clintons operate. And, Craig, you know that as well as anyone.

Policy, smolicy...who gives a rats azz? The condescending bitch will steal this thing anyway. I've given up. Too many Go-Sheeples on here. Hopefully, there are more in-touch examples elsewhere, as there have been to date in most states throughout the US, BTW. Give it to the bitch. She's up there in MI trying her best to NOT stand by her word. If she would have stood by her man (WHERE AND WHEN IT REALLY COUNTED) one must wonder what a shoo-in she would be now! But, you know, her man is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to her!

This can't be good news: ABC News

Buried in Eloquence, Obama Contradictions About Pastor

In Speech, Obama Contradicted More Than a Year of Denials About His Knowledge of Rev. Wright's Sermons

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4480868&page=1

HIC, I read that it was the FDC that was arguing it was the steam-rolled not the article.

It sure is moving slow on here. Well I gotta go take my kids to baseball practice, I'll check back later!

Papers show Clinton's days as 1st lady

"In all, 11,046 pages have been made available. Nearly 4,800 pages have parts blacked out. Schedules for more than 30 days of activities were not included in this release."-Source AP
http://www.ap.org/

Now this sounds real encouraging. How transparent of her!

Flatus,

I Googled Dan Johnson-Weinberger and it seems at least in one post, he agrees with me and the author of the link below.

The presidents who have gone down in history as some of the best are Theodore Roosevelt, John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, Franklin Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln…people who could inspire the country “from the ground up”.

“The chief executive's power does not derive solely from the authority vested in him by the Constitution. To the contrary, it derives also, and in some ways, more so, from his ability to rally the people, to inspire them in some great challenge or crusade. We do not live -- yet -- in a dictatorship. Americans do not move because they are told to move. They move because they are inspired to. It is no accident that history's most successful presidents are the ones who were able to frame, with concision and grace, America's challenges and hopes, the ones who had greatest command over what Theodore Roosevelt famously called "the bully pulpit."

http://www.miamiherald.com/540/story/429279.html

Karolenna, have you had the opportunity to apologise to the OBAMA supporters who use the name HUSSEIN in their nickname in SUPPORT of the candidate and to make a statement that the name is nothing to be ashamed of? You certainly went way OFF on this yesterday. Perhaps a bit less name calling and a bit more thought would be in order. Not always easy I know.

"Jack - perhaps I misinterpreted - I didn't see it as an attack...I saw it as a swipe - where you said mine and KGC comments were not important or something like that...not sure."

Wendy
You missed the tongue in cheek emoticon. ;-P
I used to hang out on news groups and as I said in my apology to Lush linda, pure text causes problems. So in newsgroups we got in the habit of using emoticons when we were bullshitting. I tend to use, :-) friendly comment, ;-) I'm joking. ;-0 a thighslapping joke, ;-P totally tongue in cheek not serious. What I should have done, in the comment that offended Lush linda, is bracket it with some fake HTML brackets. ex. *sarcasm* (sarcasm on), comment, */sarcasm* (sarcasm off). HTML is normally bracketed with the greater than/lesserthan symbol<.

Jack
*/lecture* ;-)

Papers show Clinton's days as 1st lady

"In all, 11,046 pages have been made available. Nearly 4,800 pages have parts blacked out. Schedules for more than 30 days of activities were not included in this release."-Source AP
http://www.ap.org/

Now this sounds real encouraging. How transparent of her!

Posted by: Rezdog | March 19, 2008 3:57 PM

Rez, as I understood it, this was about people's personal information, social security numbers, home addresses, telephone numbers et al. Hardly a conspiracy or being not transparent. I certainly do not see a conspiracy here.

O/T ... I have a small blog entry about my new diet. If you want to comment on the blog, feel free.

Rezdog -

Actually, doesn't sound too terribly bad considering the gaps in Mr Obama's record.

Every party has whack jobs.

Posted by: History is Complicated | March 19, 2008 3:55 PM

Craig,

More and more you sound like a Clinton Go-Sheeple. What do they have on you? .......
Policy, smolicy...who gives a rats azz?

Posted by: Karolenna | March 19, 2008 3:56 PM

" I think that probably didn't fly so well is that it looked at ethnicity instead of the overall situation of disparities in the health care system, which is why UNIVERSAL health care is such an important step to help everyone get quality health care."

His other healthcare platfom issue was to nationalize all health care for minors. His big concern in minority communties was the fact that so often the insurance policies are bad....or outright frauds.

what are the obamaheads jumping on craig c .for'?i don't recall him being for or against any candidate' i think he just wants an even playing field'although its too late for that''

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/obama-ducks-race-policy-questi.html#comment-55003

Karolenna, i don't know half what your talking about but jeepers whatever i simply think we've got to pin this guy don't on something

"Good for him. Tough lesson. Honesty and a couple of bucks will get you a grande Caffé Americano at Starbucks. :)"

Ha! True. He's doing fine though.

"Lincoln Chaffee wouldn't feel to welcome in South Alabama"

Well, jeez, I know anglo musicians from Louisiana who are scared to go to S. Alabama.....:)

"condescending bitch"
" Give it to the bitch."

God, Karo.....I ask you again, is that new grandbaby a female? Hope not.

His other healthcare platfom issue was to nationalize all health care for minors. His big concern in minority communties was the fact that so often the insurance policies are bad....or outright frauds.

Posted by: Patsi | March 19, 2008 4:11 PM

Right on... Nationalized health care is the only way to insure that medical care is done for health reasons and not for profit...

Karolenna, i don't know half what your talking about but jeepers whatever i simply think we've got to pin this guy don't on something

Posted by: Craig Crawford | March 19, 2008 4:13 PM

hehehehe Craig, I think most of us didn't understand, but I'm having a hard time on what you wrote... Do you mean to say ... "pin this guy DOWN on something?"

Tom

this thing working?

Karolenna,
My queries were specific to Mr Obama's professorial mentoring activities.

Mr. Johnson-Weinberger's name was the sole result. It appears as if his (Mr J-w's) professional activities are political in nature and largely revolve around Mr Obama's candidacy.

I believe his profession is lobbyist.

EuroTom

There is an article here on CQ that has not been posted very long.. concerning the Michigan revote.

Michigan DC, The National DNC, Hillary Campaign have all signed on and approved. BHO is holding it up. He will not sign on, says he has reservations.

He just knows he cannot win the state and wants to deny Clinton the delegates..

Craig said:
whatever i simply think we've got to pin this guy don't on something.
OK Craig
My first vote was cast for Richard "I've got a secret plan" Nixon,. he didn't and it pissed me off that he lied. Since then we have had Jimmy "i won't lie to you" Carter, Ronald "vodoo economics" Reagan, George "read my lips" Bush, Bill "I feel your pain" Clinton, George"compassionate conservativeand other stuff i probably shouldn't say" Bush. In all of those election it was the man who got his butt pinned down who lost.
LOL
What rational sane politico is going to let you do that to him?

Jack

yeah, tom, commenting is hinky today

"this thing working?"

I think maybe I broke it this morning

Jack

comments taking long time to post, so be patient. internets got the hiccups

Back for a minute - just checking to see how long it takes to post. 4:36 EDT

my goodness...these last 24hours(or so) have not been good for Grandmas!!

Yesterday, with BHO revealing that his sweet Grandma used "racial stereotypes"(WhateverTF that means)...and today, finding out that "Karol(bitch this, bitch that)enna" is a Grandma...well..it is just way too much for me!!

Thankfully, I had a nice Grandmother....I don't believe she ever uttered an unkind word towards anyone!!

ROTFLMAO!!

yall broke the list.

Ok, I hate to say I told you so. hahaha
I did say a while back on this comment site that more will come out on Obama. What is next? What is this about the black panther group? ABC mentioned it?
I have no doubt that more and more will come out on Obama. Hillary is an open book.
I cannot believe that Obama is not in favor of MI redo. He has got to be an idiot to deny these voters and what does the D Party think about his response?
Interesting to see the MEDIA that was in the tank with Obama does now.
Go Craig and Hillary!!

Craig: paraphrase: "jeepers, we've got to pin this guy [Obama] down on something."

What do you want? A roadmap? Do you think he is the magic Negro, and clairvoyant besides?

Most analysts say there is not a great difference between HRC and BHO policies and platforms. The details are different, but won't both want to do the best they can for Americans? And won't either be facing virtually no money for new programs and the worst circumstances since FDR (if Hoover had started an unneccessary war that could not be won militarily)?

Flexibility, thinking out of the box, creativity, believing in his fellow Americans, being able to inspire them, and good judgment are Obama's qualities.

He is not the poll driven candidate.

Hillary could never have written an address like yesterday's, much less delivered it.

She works plenty hard. Has loads of admirable qualities. Policy positions out the wazoo. Admirers posting on this blog who would probably eat glass for her.

One candidate has been playing chess, and the other is resorting to scorched earth.

I cannot see that you or some of the folks posting here will ever hear enough from Obama to satisfy you. He is not Hillary. He does not want to be Hillary. He has not walked Hillary's path, nor she his.

He is himself, and that is appealing to many of those not blinded by She.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrYyWjJ9dG8

10 minutes - Craig, good post - that's been (one of) my complaint for the past several months. You sure are in the tank for Clinton. ;-p heheheh

As for me, THE SPEECH hasn't improved with age.

Off to soccer camp - manana.

Maybe we should all put "bitch" in our nicknames?

Just a little side note here. When I first moved here , the husband of one of my sister's friends offered to get me a job interview with the company he works at. I went through an interview and waited a few days for a response from this company. This is what the letter they sent me said: "After considering your application , we have decided to hire someone who more closely suits our qualifications." I called my friends husband and told him that I didn't get the job. A week or two later , he told me that all of the new people that the company had hired were Hispanic. So , I wondered just exactly what they had meant when they sent me that rejection letter.

LMAO @ EUROTOM bitch 4 hillary

now that's funny!!

Looks like there's no practice tonight because of the rain. I found an artical on the Politico that http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9047.htmlsums up how I feel about the do-overs.

New Hampshire: 2008 Presidential Election
New Hampshire: McCain 46% Obama 43%

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_hampshire/new_hampshire_2008_presidential_election

"Hillary could never have written an address like yesterday's, much less delivered it."

Sure she could. Crib a little from Bill, from MLK, from RFK....easy.

Obama Throws His Grandmother From The Train

"[A]ccording to Obama’s 1995 book, it is not at all true that she “once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street.” Instead, she once confessed her fear of one aggressive black beggar who didn’t pass by her but instead confronted her, demanded money, and then gave her — an intelligent, level-headed woman who had worked her way up to a mid-level corporate management position — good reason to believe he would have violently mugged her if her bus hadn’t pulled up.

If this was some doofus politician like Bush or Biden who retold the story in a misleading fashion, you might view it as just their usual struggle with using the English language to get across what they really kind of, sort of mean. But Obama is so superb with words that it’s perfectly reasonable to hold him accountable for choosing to slander his own living grandmother for his political advantage."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/19/obama-throws-his-grandmother-from-the-train/

craig..hang in there... I agree that Obama is a tad short on details.. it's bothered me for a while.. I love his rhetoric, but I need some details..

I cannot see that you or some of the folks posting here will ever hear enough from Obama to satisfy you. He is not Hillary. He does not want to be Hillary. He has not walked Hillary's path, nor she his.

He is himself, and that is appealing to many of those not blinded by She.

Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 19, 2008 4:47 PM

Nice words, just slightly re-working

I cannot see that ... some of the folks posting here will ever hear enough from Hillary to satisfy you. She is not Barack. She does not want to be Barack. She has not walked Barack's path, nor he hers.

She is herself, and that is appealing to many of those not blinded by He...

sorry, couldn't resist... point is, it can be said the other way and still fit. I also find the "magic Negro" comment ridiculous. The MSM had all but given him his wings through this campaign. And coming in first in Iowa and they basically saying the nomination was already his was insulting and demeaning to other states and the nation's voters.

Barack doesn't do it for me right now, even though he's talented and eloquent speaker...

I've posted this before, but I LOVE IT... IT sort of makes fun of both Barack and Hillary... LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xb3bDwE9jQ

“once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street.”
--GORDO

That seems to be BHO's game(even a political lightweight, like myself can see that)...he says "just enough" to make it true.

The fact that he couldn't bring himself to use the term "racial slurs", when describing words his G-mom uttered, leads me to believe she did not use offensive/racist language at all.

I am sure BHO has broken his G-moms heart, with his racist portrayal of her.

LMAO @ EUROTOM bitch 4 hillary

now that's funny!!

Posted by: LushIsLinda | March 19, 2008 5:04 P

heheheh Lush.. well I could just do Eurobitch 4 Hillary ... I must be tired... This one goes out to Karolenna :-)

Just a little side note here. When I first moved here , the husband of one of my sister's friends offered to get me a job interview with the company he works at. I went through an interview and waited a few days for a response from this company. This is what the letter they sent me said: "After considering your application , we have decided to hire someone who more closely suits our qualifications." I called my friends husband and told him that I didn't get the job. A week or two later , he told me that all of the new people that the company had hired were Hispanic. So , I wondered just exactly what they had meant when they sent me that rejection letter.

Posted by: Corey | March 19, 2008 5:01 PM

I guess it was "positive discrimination"....

I was listening to the Dave Ross Show on KIRO radio in Seattle this morning and there was an interesting exchange. Dave had Shelby Steele on. Most of you probably read his opinion piece in the WSJ yesterday, which came out before the speech. Dave was curious to see if Shelby's opinion had changed since the speech. (FYI...his opinion didn't change.)

The interesting part of the interview was that the Dave Ross said he was surprised that Shelby didn't love the speech because Obama basically said that Reverend Wright is wrong. People need to move beyond anger, work hard and succeed and that Obama is the proof of this. Basically, "Look at me." Shelby Steele said he didn't hear Obama say that. Dave Ross insisted that he did.

I have re-read the speech and I don't see anything in it that puts it in the terms Dave Ross has interpreted. I am willing to concede the point but just looking for other opinions...

GOP Sees Rev. Wright As Pathway To Victory
Will Motivate Conservative Base

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/19/politics/politico/main3949349.shtml

For months, Republican party officials have watched with increasing trepidation as Barack Obama has shattered fundraising records, packed arena after arena with shrieking fans and pulled in significant Republican and independent votes.

Now, with the emergence of the notorious video portraying Rev. Jeremiah Wright damning the country, criticizing Israel, faulting U.S. policy for the attacks of Sept. 11 and generally lashing out against white America, GOP strategists believe they’ve finally found an antidote to Obamamania.

In their view, the inflammatory sermons by Obama’s pastor offer the party a pathway to victory if Obama emerges as the Democratic nominee. Not only will the video clips enable some elements of the party to define him as unpatriotic, they will also serve as a powerful motivating force for the conservative base.

In fact, the video trove has convinced some that, after months of praying for Hillary Clinton and the automatic enmity which she arouses, that they may actually have easier prey.

Eurotom,

read ur post on affirmative action, i want to say discrimination runs both ways. in 1981 when i applied for an criminalist position in buena park, ca which at that time was all white, i scored higher and did well on the oral exam but a white woman who scored lower and did so-so in the oral interview, got the job. when i received the phone call from one of the interviewers he explained to me that i was qualified and that i scored higher on the test than the other applicants, but they were giving the job to someone else. i asked was it someone already in the department or one of the applicants, and he said it was one of the applicants. what was probably a slip of the tongue he mentioned that it was the female in the group, this female was a white woman. he further stated he personally didnt understand why she was selected over me and that it probably had something to do with the community characteristics. i could read in between the lines... my point is white folks arent the only ones that has unfairly had jobs taken from them. whether its affirmative action or just plain old race discrimination, its all wrong!

Sr Dooty......who is y'all and how is it broke and if it's broke it can be fix, no?

"A quick tip on how to read press corps novels: Note how often these novels emerge when someone has criticized the press corps! In this case, Clinton has been complaining about the press—and at the Times, journalists could quickly see how unbalanced such thinking was. Result? A few days later, a pair of big pundits put their stamp on the emerging theme. This pair of novelists “embellished” a bit, as they’ve so often done:"

http://dailyhowler.com/

As far as that rejection from that company was concerned , I basically rationalized it by saying "Who cares? It was for 2nd shift anyway!" I got a job with the company across the road from this place about a month later. I'm still working there over 12 years later.

Hillary can speechify, too:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hillaryclintonbeijingspeech.htm

"Maybe we should all put "bitch" in our nicknames?"

Let's just declare "Clintonista" and "Obamabot" be the name calling epithets of choice. That way no one's feelings get hurt and the poster feels so much better by getting to call the opposition something. :-P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etjpcF2X_mY

During rally, Al Sharpton says he's keeping support for Obama quiet

By ADAM SERWER and MICHAEL SAUL
DAILY NEWS WRITERS

The Rev. Al Sharpton is backing Barack Obama, but he's made the strategic decision to keep his support quiet.

That's the message Sharpton delivered to his flock last Saturday as he boasted of talking to Obama "two or three times a week" - and insisted the Democratic front-runner knows the rev is in his camp.

"I said, 'I'm gonna do whatever I gotta do to help you. Hillary Clinton has never done nothing for us,'" said Sharpton, recounting a conversation with Obama for his followers at his group's weekly rally.

"'I won't either endorse you or not endorse you,'" Sharpton said he told the Illinois senator as the two made their way to a Nov. 29 dinner at Sylvia's Restaurant in Harlem. "'But I will tell you I can be freer not endorsing you to help you and everybody else.'"

Sharpton told the Daily News yesterday he has no plans to officially endorse Obama, but admitted he's "absolutely supportive" of his White House bid.

Asked to explain his comment that Clinton had "done nothing for us," Sharpton said he was referring to his organization, the National Action Network, not the black community.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/19/2008-03-19_during_rally_al_sharpton_says_hes_keepin.html

Please Al, endorse Obama, he needs all the help he can get.

can't talk we might as well dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuUhZxkr194

"I have re-read the speech and I don't see anything in it that puts it in the terms Dave Ross has interpreted"

There are always at least two positions on any political event. (1) What was said or done and (2) What the spin machine and talking points say was said or done.

These are rarely the same and campaigns always prefer that you only listen to postion number 2. We all know what number two is.

jefferson airplane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xhYk9PEmXA

Country Joe,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5btZWbViPA

So...for those of us who once cared about the future of Democrat Party...how did we get to this point?

In just a few months, we've gone from what everyone agreed was an embarrassment of riches -- a field of more than a half-dozen great candidates...talk of a "dream team Cabinet", etc...to this:

1. Hillary Clinton, the most qualified candidate left standing, can only get the nomination through a set of mathematical circumstances that will leave her open to intraparty accusations of stealing it in a smoke-filled room.

2. Barack Obama, on the surface a fine candidate who needed about five more years of seasoning, is bogged down in questions about his unknown past and his intellectual honesty...and has basically been rendered unelectable in a general election.

Way to go Democrats. You screwed it up yet again with you're stupid delegate apportionment rules, and your stupid caucuses, and your stupid pandering to pigshit covered Red states like Iowa and New Hampshire at the expense of meaningful swing states like Florida and Michigan, and your stupid, ongoing indulgence of the hoary left wing of the party. And you're about to lose to a goofball who walks around Baghdad with a red baseball cap pulled down over his eyes.

You deserve whatever you get, Democrat Party.

If anyone on this blog knows of an effort to start up a new political party, let me know. I am so totally over this one.

Thanks.

young 73,
My understanding is that Michigan rules prohibit Democrats who voted in the Republican primary, because they understood their vote wouldn't count in the Democrat primary, cannot participate in the re-vote.

I don't know if that's Obama's reason for not signing on, but it's interesting. Michigan is not a complete do-over.

Wait. Check that. New Hampshire isn't really pigshit covered, like Iowa is. But it's still a Red State...and you can fill in your own derisive adjective.

Santana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnamP4-M9ko

"Well I see Craig's usual anti Obama thread, and the usual bunch of Clinton hysterics, so boring. Have a good evening all"

LOL
watch out for the door

Jack

Oye Como Va - Carlos Santana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpPb2cVswlI

I don't know if that's Obama's reason for not signing on, but it's interesting. Michigan is not a complete do-over.

Posted by: Nancy | March 19, 2008 6:45 PM

It is not a do over of the Republican primary. Why would people who already voted in a primary that has counted be allowed to vote again.

craig crawford ask a question about obama's policy ' something that should be easy to answer' he gets attacked 'accused of being anti obama 'pro-clinton
thats been a problem from the start of his campaign
you can't even ask a question or make a comment''observation' without being accused of being
racsist'' obama will suffer a severe backlash from this
penn. primary results will show this bigtime

Jamie: you're welcome to use Clintonistas, but I do not like Obamabots because it plays too much into the cult crap.

Any suggestions? I kind of like Obamaphiles, which would allow the meaner lurking here to lump us in with pedophiles.

Obamacans is more for his GOP supporters.

Team Obama?

Have you heard any better nicks for Obama supporters? Thanks.

(Hitting submit again, apologies if this is a duplicate post.)

Obama is acoming to Portland Friday and perhaps Salem and Eugene..I'll probably go to Portland for the event..should be interesting. God Bless America.

Jack - to your 4:30 pm post - sorry just woke up from a nap a little bit ago and had to finish a paper and send it to my professor.

I did miss that or I guess wasn't following the conversation closely enough to get it.

I'm sorry - I was shocked because you're usually so wonderful.

You're one of my favorites Jack.

Jamie: Thank you for your insight. I guess you're right. Dave was so confident of his point that I felt like I truly had missed something...that it wasn't spin but fact. A chump am I.

Obenemies?

Obama is coming to Portland Friday..perhaps Salem and Eugene..I'll go see him..I've given away all my HIllary signs and have ordered more..should be fun..

obama-lama-ding-dongs?

that might be too fifties

(Kind of like frenemies...we love/need them but it can be a love/hate relationship.)

bellwether numbers are out:

MO: McCain (R) 48%, Clinton (D) 46%
MO: McCain (R) 53%, Obama (D) 39%

Doesn't look good for either Dem but looks a heck of a lot better for Hillary...less ground to make up.

obama-lama-ding-dongs?

That might be too fifties.....

wow.....that censor is FAST....

LL

I understand the frustration.

I made a very stupid assumption last year.
I assumed that after dubya everybody would realize it took more that just a pretty face and the backing of rich folks to be a president.
I thought a Chris Dodd or a Joe Bidden would be a front runner. Shows how smart I am.
Face it Democrats want to fall in love like it's a bad movie. They are so in love with the idea of a woman candidate or a black candidate that they can't see the major flaws in these candidates.
So I'm going with the flow, I voted some time ago and I have nothing more to say in the matter,except to grumble.
What I am going to do is work very hard for the down ticket candidates and see if we can increase the democratic majority.
Kansas has recruited a plausible candidate to run against Pat Roberts in Dan Slattery. The RR has control of the Republican party machinery in Kansas so Johnson Co is damn near ready to turn Democrat. Not liberal but they could be fellow travelers.
Jack

Dog

Everyone should be allowed to choose their deroguetory nickname. Obamaphile is good. It has a nice degree of unquestioning love without being mindless.

Jamie Clintonista

Hillary can speechify, too:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hillaryclintonbeijingspeech.htm

Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | March 19, 2008 6:16 PM

Ah yes...Flatus...thank you for that little reminder.

"The Rev. Al Sharpton is backing Barack Obama, but he's made the strategic decision to keep his support quiet."

So going down to FL and threatening to sue the FL Democratic Party over seating of FL delegates is keeping his support quiet?

ROFLMAO

Funniest thing I've heard all week.

Jack...
I cut my teeth as a newspaper reporter in Johnson County, so I know the trends there. Back in the day, Dennis Moore and Paul Morrison were my best sources in the county courthouse. Who woulda thunk they'd end up getting elected to higher office in Alf Landon's state?
Go figure.

Jack

6:34 Youtube...thank you for that...hits the mark.

olberman.....never cared for him......lots of negatives.....liked what he finally decided to find to voice to finally start to say, but as for him? twerp.

"Obenemies?"

Sounds like a Brittany Spears drug of choice. :-)

I should note that the bellwether numbers came from SurveyUSA.

Followers of Obi-wan
are Jedi

Jack

Britney is one of my favorite cautionary tales with our boys: "See, money doesn't make you happy." They respond with blank stares (how can you not be happy on $600K a month?!) Oh well, I try.

Carlos Santana-Black magic woman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_b3LMoQUJ0

My wife is out of town till tomorrow. Don't smoke weed any more so I'm just trying to get a contact high tonight.
They say memories and concience state are connected

Jack

OK...the Obama interview with Anderson Cooper tonight might be worth tuning in for

"In some ways this, this controversy has actually shaken me up a little bit and gotten me back into remembering that the odds of me getting elected have always been lower than some of the other conventional candidates," the Illinois senator told CNN's Anderson Cooper in an exclusive one-on-one interview....

"If I was just running the textbook campaign -- doing the conventional thing, I probably wasn't going to win because Senator Clinton was going to be much more capable of doing that than I would be," he said. "We had tremendous success -- and I think we were starting to get a little comfortable and conventional right before Texas and Ohio."

Has "Obamanauts" been proposed yet?

It suggests a daring journey into totally unknown territory.

Suits both sides of the debate.

"Rez, as I understood it, this was about people's personal information,"-ET

Flatus & ET,

I just listened to an M. Isikoff radio interview, where he's glanced over the latest HRC papers. According to him, on the day she shows a photo op in the map room with an unknown (blacked out) individual, happens that corresponds with the day that Johnny Chung showed up for photo op as determined in court proceedings. You remember J Chung, the Chinese military bag man busted for FEC violation, who made 50,+ WH visits. Name was apparently blocked for privacy reason. You must really trust her.

More interesting remarks by Obama regarding seating MI and FL - note how the TPM blogger gets him for parsing words

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/obama_i_have_less_chance_of_ge.php

Lardass, I agree completely. Obama wanted it all despite the contrived biography and light weight experiance. The associations, mentors, friendships and advisors needed to be groomed and vetted. He was planning to talk his way forward using the Dean model of organization that nearly did in Kerry.

I predicted Obama's numbers would drop and the issues long specified would be vetted. As they have in the past against GWB the Democrats show complete over-reach, inability to control themselves, questionable rules, strategic fumbling and an inability to see the obvious.

Race policy? Obama's nomination would signal a movement against affirmative action. And again, the strain of anti-Americanism goes well beyond race. The elements of fear are many. The preception is that Obama leans too Left and that his judgement is poor. Many see him using rhetoric and race to divert attention from these flaws. There is also a degree by which media cannot filter sentiment nor questions.

It is amazing cooler heads could not prevail. The convergence of media and DNC leadership has managed to screw up hope and change. There's not enough kool aid to go around.

Democrats ought to wake up, get behind Clinton and rescue Obama from himself by offering him the VP. There will be more on Rezko, more screw ups, more troubling questions and then some smart journalist will start connecting the various people and ideas. When you're an unknown, associations and policies are all you've got. Obama is not JFK or RFK. The Democrats are searching for someone to believe in. They want their church.

And then reality beckons.

A tragedy as incompetently created as Iraq was well-planned. Hillary will crush in Penn. Florida will be like a great weight. And then there's always the Goracle.

Headlines for new polls in various states very interesting over at SurveyUSA

http://www.surveyusa.com/

Does Obama realize he's been undone?

Hillary continues to gain in North Caroline..

Only 5.4% back in RCP Average..

Followers of Obi-wan
are Jedi

Jack

Posted by: WhskyJack

From Wikipedia

The Jedi Order has a nemesis in the Sith Order, an order much more simple in structure but just as old and just as rich in traditions as the Jedi Order. The Sith move within the cracks of society, promoting conflict and chaos.

:)

John R said: my point is white folks aren’t the only ones that
has unfairly had jobs taken from them. whether its affirmative
action or just plain old race discrimination, its all wrong!
_____
Absolutely right, John R. And let me offer yet another perspective.
In 1974, I was living in Denver and saw my marriage falling apart.
My kids were 1 and 5, and I'd been staying home with them,
writing my master's thesis. I realized I better find a job and
applied at the very kind of city/entertainment magazine I'd started
my career with in 1967 Kansas City.

The editor was a man in his early 30s. I was 29. He gave me a
lecture about the evils of working mothers and sent me packing.
He hired a 20 year old single man.

There's an ending to this sorry tale. Flash ahead three years.
I was editing the state's feminist magazine and this SAME
guy walked in with an article to sell. It was titled "Single Dad"
and was about how his wife left him with three kids to raise.
ROFL!

Janis "Summertime"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzNEgcqWDG4

Flatus for President. You nailed it.

Records reveal 'Co-President Hillary'

"About 11,000 pages of Mrs. Clinton's daily schedules were released today by the National Archives and Records Administration, and Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton told Fox News a quick overview revealed some interested activities.

"It looks like she was co-president, involved with Cabinet-level meetings," he told the network. "She was meeting with Cabinet-level officials on a daily basis."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59342

Sorry if this has already been posted, just saw it tonight and it's hysterical - plays Olbermans knife in the heart speech on Ferraro with his 'scuse me can I kiss your ass Mr. Obama, sir' video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA3v7ON5XdA

I like it Jack!

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Padawan

Obamawan learners.

"But rather than let things sort themselves out in the voting, they derided her and her supporters and, in essence, demanded an Obama nomination by acclamation."

Flatus,

Yesterday, in my reply to your comments along a similar thread , I suggested to you that for many months up until Iowa, all democrats have been made to think that HRC was the preeminent nominee, get out of her way. Talk about a walkover.

From Craig:
“Karolenna, i don't know half what your talking about but jeepers whatever i simply think we've got to pin this guy don't on something“

Craig, many don’t know half what I’m talking about but they still love me, but jeepers, I’ve seen enough and heard enough of HRC. Your position seems to have changed since making that MSNBC special where you glowingly talk about Obama. I have heard enough of Obama and I’ll take change, intelligence, and judgment over hyperbole anytime. It’s like my aunt said (who is a HRC supporter) when I told her one issue of his I like is no tax for retired individuals who make less than $50K. I’m not retired yet but it won’t be long. That would be good for me. My aunt said “all of them promise you this and that and they are never going to deliver”. Well, yes, but in that remark what’s the difference between HRC and Obama delivering? I actually believe he works between parties better than she does.

As with my original post and meaning: too many skeletons in the Clinton closet and as Dee Dee Myers said in the More Magazine piece “Hilliary campaigns “against” people behind their backs”. A character thing for me more than issues and I definitely like the character (and judgment) of Obama.

black power is real

it is a movement

and it lives in America

OBAMA 08

Gordo,

Fitton also said this," it appeared there was inappropriate campaign fundraising going on in the Clinton White House, based on a "short review" of those documents.

"The only reason there were no prosecutions," he said, "was the Clintons were running the Justice Department."

Clinton Library Documents - Hillary Clinton's Calendars

"These documents are First Lady Hillary Clinton's White House schedules. On March 19, 2008 the Clinton Library released to Judicial Watch 11,046 pages of Mrs. Clinton's schedules from 1993 to 2001."

http://www.judicialwatch.org/cl-hrc-calendars

"condescending bitch"
" Give it to the bitch."
God, Karo.....I ask you again, is that new grandbaby a female? Hope not.

Yes, Patsi, my precious granddaughter is beautiful and she would never know her grandmother is “into” politics, at least until she gets older. Spent yesterday afternoon caring for her. She is precious. BTW, I’ve witnessed many a rant from you and your side. Actually, it seems to be constant.

I’ve not felt so adamant about a person running for office as I do HRC, and I’ve been around a long time. I just plain and simple do not like her even though I supported both the Clintons throughout the 90s. She came into this election thinking she was it and IT was hers. She was going to have it. Maybe she will, but it will not be legit if she is the candidate the way things are going which will no doubt damage the Democratic Party. The Clintons just want power. It’s an addiction with them.

Patsi, are you the same with your family as you are on here? Just wondering!

Gordo:

Here is what everyone else is reading:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/57351

“Karolenna,
My queries were specific to Mr Obama's professorial mentoring activities.
Mr. Johnson-Weinberger's name was the sole result. It appears as if his (Mr J-w's) professional activities are political in nature and largely revolve around Mr Obama's candidacy.“

Flatus,

I don’t know what the guy’s profession is but it would seem he is a blogger in Illinois, but one thing he and I agree with is that the most experienced in DC has not ever made the best presidents. Even Michael Murphy, a true conservative Republican, said tonight that Obama’s judgment is great and seemed to question HRC’s judgment. BTW, Michael says HRC has a very slim chance of getting the nod either way…delegates or electorate. But, we will see.

http://djwinfo.blogspot.com/

Gordo:

Here is what Coulturgeist is reading:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080319/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_papers

(This has not been an issue in the Democratic Primary - but just wait till the GOP gets out the "family values" crowd). What's worse - is that it will be a tit-for-tat - and the Clintonites will drag Cindy McCain down in the mud.

I shudder at the thought of the Clintons vs. the Right-Wing Attack machine - at a time when the country is already polarized to the hilt. Throw in all the dissaffected young voters and it ain't gonna be pretty.

Plus, that scenario could lead to a legitimate Third-Party candidate - who runs against the war and takes votes from Clinton. Hello President John McCain.

(at that point - I am moving to Costa Rica ASAP!!)

Rezdog --------------------------

People have heard about the "bad stuff". The important part is: "It looks like she was co-president, involved with Cabinet-level meetings," he told the network. "She was meeting with Cabinet-level officials on a daily basis."

That equals experience to be POTUS.

Maxtrue:

I hope you have a day job writing fiction novels. Spy thrillers or something. There are a lot more words in your posts than there are facts.

from taylormarsh.com

http://tinyurl.com/2nbayw

don imus and his wife never did half the nice things the good rev wright did though, did they? nah, not them.

from taylormarsh.com

http://tinyurl.com/2nbayw

don imus and his wife never did half the nice things the good rev wright did though, did they? nah, not them.

btw, that Obama-advocate - Jamal - on CNN is weak. CNN is definitely pro-Clinton. She has got that and ABC. (Georgie-boy could not support anyone else with a Clinton still in the race - I give him credit though - he is good at disguising it ; )

The goods news - is that CNN and ABC also like Obama - they are just pro-Clinton. Hillary does still have Joe S. and Pat B. on NBC (but I wouldn't count on them sticking around).

(of course we are still going to have to rely on Alan Colmes on Fox....)

"Who woulda thunk they'd end up getting elected to higher office in Alf Landon's state?"

LL

I believe they are building a new powerplant on top of Alf's grave. They've calculated that if they hook him up to a generator it will solve the energy problems in the country.

As I've said before, Obama and I are alike in one respect, our mothers are both from Kansas.
My mother always told me that Kansas was superior to Missouri. Now , she is old and I don't want to upset her , so I don't mention Kansas politics when I visit, more than.......oh once or twice.

Jack

"People have heard about the "bad stuff". The important part is. . . . "

Overlook everything because she's entitled, right Gordo. Sounds par around here.

Rosa Brooks hit the nail on the head:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-brooks6mar06,0,6089517.column

"don imus and his wife never did half the nice things the good rev wright did though, did they? nah, not them"

To put this rudely and crudely

When it comes to helping people Mr Imus wouldn't make a pimple on Reverend Wrights butt.

Jack

Warren,

I note that they say that George 41 hasn't put any limits on his papers. They don't mention that George 43 has restricted them as well as already placing strict holds on a great deal of his own, not to mention all the "executive privilege" claims.

Now for the Obamawans I am more that happy to concede that there is probably a lot of financial and political material that neither on of the Clintons would want to see the light of day. At some point it will all be known and we will probably all be dead and won't care.

It just seems to be that Sen. Obama is cut from exactly the same cloth and less experienced as well. I just trust Sen. Clinton's motives a bit more at this time. A great deal was made of her "crying moment". No one ever repeats what she said at that moment of fatigue: "I just don't want to see us go backward ... no I don't".

Sure she is brilliant. Yes she is accomplished. Sure she is and has been a political animal. She is also a community activist, a wife and mother, and a person dedicated to ideals she has held from her teenage years. That's who I want in the Presidency. The next brilliant political animal can wait a few years.

Wendy:

"Does Obama realize he's been undone?"

Yes! And so does everyone else. And we know exactly who did it.

But I am not worried. There is plenty of time for him to grab the reigns before PA. He will drive those polls closer together - just as he did in OH and TX - where she was supposed to blow him out. Then he will beat her handly in most of the remaining states.

The Super D's will follow the will of the record turn outs and the Democrats will go in to win the general.

(And Obama and Hillary (and even you) will get over it - it's just politics).

"I cut my teeth as a newspaper reporter in Johnson County"

Lard. I wrote features for Plaza magazine in 1967, lived on the Plaza at the Casa Loma.

Yes Warren - we do

He did it by associating with the people he chooses to associate and then lying about those associations. He did it by allowing blind ambition to get in the way of the people's work.

If, indeed, Obama is undone...and I'm still adding an IF...he'll have no one to blame but himself.

"To a Trinity member, race and religion are not black and white"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-obama-trinity-think-story,0,5578033.story

I like Obamacan.

JennBe Obamacan!

"So far the Democrats' imperfect system of democracy has helped him establish a small but significant lead. In caucus states, where there is no secret ballot and the intentions of individual voters have been subsumed into the will of the majority, political correctness, peer pressure, and intimidation, however subtle, have won the day.

It is, perhaps, little surprise that caucus states have backed Senator Obama. It would take a brave soul indeed to argue in a caucus that he is unelectable come November, for fear of being labeled a racist.

In many states with secret primary ballots, the Democratic Party generously enfranchises those who decide on the day to declare themselves as Democrats, never mind that they may have been lifelong Republicans or Independents and that the following day they may revert to their old allegiance.

Exit polls reveal that in some open primary states Mr. Obama has attracted up to 10% of his support from Republicans and many times that figure from Independents."

http://www.nysun.com/article/73240?page_no=2

Good evening Craig, All:
I kind of partial to Obama-Wan Kenobi the wise old Jedi Knight suits him in a way that would please the extremist left wing radical Obamaphiles. It may come off kind of nerdy, perhaps the nerdy edge makes it slightly cool. In any event its the best my weary mind can come up with this hour of the evening lol

--Heather

Jamie:

I hear ya. She is a great political animal.

But the Clinton fatigue that exists among the electorate and the lawmakers at this time - makes me question her ability to get elected and to make as much progress as Obama potentially can.

I am sick of the partisan bickering. I went to law school in DC - and saw and was involved debate after debate - of two sides speaking past one another. No one ever agreed - or expanded or improved on the other's ideas - they just walked away angry.

I know it won't simply dissappear with Obama - but it will be ignited with the Clintons back in the White House.

I think Hillary will eventually help Obama get elected and Obama will sign landmark Health Care legislation sponsored by Clinton (among other great things they will acomplish together). I also think Bill Clinton can play a major role in the Middle East with Obama - without all the distractions of a "co-President."

Wendy:

I firmly believe that IF Obama loses - he will blame no one other than himself. I can't say the same for about 70% of the rest of the country...

(LL: talk about "unelectable" . . . I had my doubts about Hillary's chances before the primaries)

"Patsi, are you the same with your family as you are on here? Just wondering! "

Yes, I am very blunt and very much a feminist. I despise the sexist attacks Hillary Clinton has received in this campaign.

My children spent many of their early years half asleep in chairs while I delivered what you would probably call feminist rants on behalf of women's issues.

Before you call me a bad mother: At age six, my daughter was the only girl in her class who would walk beside and hold the hand of her leukemia patient classmate who had warts on his hand. At age eight my son resigned from Cub Scouts because of anti-semitic statements made by the troop leader and directed toward a friend of his.

Both my children are happy, well-adjusted and successful adults. My son is a PhD engineer working in DC. My daughter's 2-year old daughter accompanied her to the Ohio polls where she cast her vote for Hillary Clinton.

Cafferty
It doesn't quite come through in the transcript, but the disgust was palpable.

CAFFERTY: Interesting, isn't it, all those 11,000, 12,000 pages of documents released today. What's the first thing that the press corps satisfied their curiosity about? The fact that Hillary Clinton was in the White House the day Monica Lewinsky got the stain on her dress. That moved on one of the wires that I read about at 3:00 this afternoon. Amazing.
http://www.atrios.blogspot.com/

Keep doing the GOP's dirty work - it will get you nowhere.

Like I have said - if Hillary wants to win - than she needs to win.

Taking Obama down to slide into the nomination (by changing the rules and using the Super D's) is a real recipe for disaster for a politician with her negatives.

Good Evening Craig, All:

I am kind of partial to Obama-Wan Kenobi-cans i'm sure the wise old Jedi Knight contrast will appeal to the extreme radical left Obama supporters lol. Okay so its a little bet nerdy, but the nerdiness is what gives it a cool edge, in any event its the best my weary brain can come up with at this hour of the evening.

--Heather

Fair article on "the speech" and what Obama is going through right now:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/opinion/19dowd.html?em&ex=1206072000&en=cf4c719ccbd9feb0&ei=5087%0A

Jack,

That is a wonderful article and very much in line with my thinking on the subject. Thinking that way is pretty much why I put up the Langston Hughes poem. It really is all about life, and we have been seriously on this road to reconciliation for a century now.

My whole reaction to the Obama speech outside of not thinking it was all that huge a contribution to the next edition of "Great Speeches of Mankind" was, "come on folks, catch up would you!". The anger is real, the frustration is real, and the progress is real. We will get it right some day and in the meantime just gather your family and friends close and keep your heart open to all the possibilities of what those two terms can mean.

Looks like a McCain/Lieberman ticket. *gag*

Of course Obama isn't going to be specific. That's a no win any way ya look at it.

I had a job interview like that once. There were administrators, parents, teachers and students quizzing me. NO matter WHAT I said about anything, it would offend one of those stakeholders as their positions were often in conflict. It was a no win.

tt

Taking Obama down to slide into the nomination (by changing the rules and using the Super D's) is a real recipe for disaster for a politician with her negatives

This is not a good analysis since there are no rules governing the votes of super delegates.

Senator Clinton's negatives have gone down as she has campaigned. Senator Obama's have risen.

Patsi:

You eight-year-old son reminds me of the young kid on "Weeds" on Showtime.

Kid into politics is funny. I always crack up about the 21-year-old Super D.

The GOP will probably have some fun with the Super D process if HRC gets them to overturn the Primary (especially since Bill and Terry and probably some other Clintonites are Super D's).

If you watch some of the scenes in the background of the Rev Wright, take a look at the women. One of the best books I've ever seen of photography with wonderful stories to go with the pictures is

Crowns: Portraits of Black Women In Their Church Hats

http://www.amazon.com/Crowns-Portraits-Black-Women-Church/dp/0385500866

While looking for the link, I found that it has been turned into an off broadway play. That may be out dated into since the book came out in 2000, but I'm going to follow up. The stories certainly would make a wonderful play.

There were polling fellows on Hannity tonight ( I know-never ever used to watch him) however the polling fellow said NC is now tied... BO no longer has he lead.
She is also leading nationwide 49-42.. Both just last couple of days. Hope they hold..

Jack, what did you think of our fearless Lady Governor
supporting BO? My dau and I were both surprized. It is said she is now going to run for Senate seat. Have always thought Dennis did a fair job for Johnson Co.
Roberts has an awful lot of Kansas friends with money.
WIll be interesting race for both..

Of course Obama won't be specific. It's a no win.

tt

"I think Hillary will eventually help Obama get elected and Obama will sign landmark Health Care legislation sponsored by Clinton (among other great things they will acomplish together). I also think Bill Clinton can play a major role in the Middle East with Obama - without all the distractions of a "co-President."

Translation: Let Bill and Hillary do the work for the empty suit.

It's weird here tonight.

Sorry if this has been posted already. It bears posting again.

Cheney Interview "So?" That arrogant SOB. And it was a snotty kid like "So?". Absolutely disgusting.

"Interview of the Vice President by Martha Raddatz, ABC News"

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080319005962&newsLang=en

Here's the video:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/19/why-does-dick-cheney-hate-the-american-people/

They can't get OUT of office soon enough!

tt

There just is NO comparison between Obama and Bush/Cheney as the past day's speeches have shown.

tt

Young 73 -- are all you Kansans from Eastern KS? (The kinder and gentler part of the Sunflower state...)

I'm originally from 50 miles west of Dodge....the tumbleweed tundra, as Capote called it.

black power is real

it is a movement

and it lives in America

OBAMA 08
Posted by: 6black | March 19, 2008 9:10 PM

pfffft "black power"... Are you bringing back the Panthers? Are you suggesting Obama is that sort of militant?

"Maybe we should all put "bitch" in our nicknames?"

Let's just declare "Clintonista" and "Obamabot" be the name calling epithets of choice. That way no one's feelings get hurt and the poster feels so much better by getting to call the opposition something. :-P

Posted by Jamie...

Good one Jamie... heheheh

When it comes to helping people Mr Imus wouldn't make a pimple on Reverend Wrights butt.

Whskyjack --
first take a look at the fallen heros fund and give me an idea how much money Imus raised for that, and why he was honored by the soldiers being treated there. Check out the amount of money raised for TCF or the number of kids out at the Imus Ranch. Or the work that Diedre Imus has done for Autism Research, or Diedre Imus throwing Dick Santorum under the bus on a live radio cast for asking her to endorse his candidacy for helping 'a little' with respect for autism research. Actually, ask Mr. Crawford how much good the Imus's have done vs. the 'good' rev Wright.

Care to comment Craig?

This place is showing diversity of opinion, no?

tt

Anderson Cooper & candi were discussing MI and Fla re-vote.. Candi said Obama is just doing what he feels is best for his side.. As well as Hill doing what she feels is best for heer side also. But what about the people? Wow. He is definitely the only one holding back the re vote.
Wendy was right - the republicans that have already voted in their Repub primary should be not able to now also vote in Dem primary.. This is one of Bo sticking points.. He wants the repub and Indep vote..
My dau just returned from England and she said the people over there are about 50/50 for Hill and BO.
And England does not do Irish St Pats well at all.. They had a parade in London - but she said the mood was well - so what.. Not Irish even for the day ..
They hate Bush. Almost to 100%.. of the people she talked to..

I'm rather enjoying the Anderson/Obama interview. I know it is one of his central campaign talking points, but I do wish he would stop going on about being against the war in 2002. Every time I find myself really starting to like him, that shows up and it is fingernails on the blackboard time.

It was a political ploy for a district run that started to fade with an Illinois Senate run that completely disappeared with a U.S. Senate run and has never been reflected in his voting record on a national level, and his plan for withdrawal is identical to hers.

It just feels very dishonest.

You must really trust her.

Posted by: Rezdog | March 19, 2008 8:28 PM

I trust her far more than I trust Obama... yes. At the end of the day both Hillary and Barry are POLITICIANS. Obama can couch himself as the new messiah of political hope and charge that Hillary is the candidate of old politics, but they are POLITICIANS! I don't trust "walk on water" candidates. Never have, never will. And the MSM Obama love fest is disgusting. From the moment the Iowa caucuses were over, they basically said Obama won the nomination, so the rest of the states could just go back to their regular programming.

Hillary 2008 or bust.

ET

I think the loyal opposition has kind of settled on some sort of Jedi/Star Wars appelation

Obama wan Kenobe or Obamacan

Beware of light sabers.

"I trust her far more than I trust Obama..."-ET

That makes you in the minority, congrats!

enator Clinton's negatives have gone down as she has campaigned. Senator Obama's have risen.

Posted by: Alternate Universe | March 19, 2008 10:20 PM

A.U. Obama's negatives going up isn't difficult to understand since he was treated like the second coming of Jesus throughout this process. At some point people will take the blinders off and see he is just as human and fallible as the rest of us. I don't think the MSM did him any favours by creating this "walk on water" imagery. Any mistake, any controversy was bound to cripple him. Whether that means he won't get the nomination or can't win the election is hardly proven, but I do think brining him down a notch or two below the ozone layer with the rest of us is good for him in the long run, and for us.. Why? because he has to answer more questions about himself and his viewpoints. He's too much of a blank canvass. This is also an opportunity for him to more fully acquaint himself with the american people.

My first negative reaction was his "I can take all of Hillary supporters, but she can't say the same about mine" arrogance. That and "you're likable *enough* Hillary.

I am heading back to bed again. Not feeling well.

"I trust her far more than I trust Obama..."-ET

That makes you in the minority, congrats!

Posted by: Rezdog | March 19, 2008 11:06 PM

Well like you Rez, I've been a minority most of my life as well... The majority trusted Ronald Reagan far more than Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale for example. If I am in the minority, so be it... I still distrust Obama and trust Hillary. And I now believe that Obama is not electable, at least as a stand alone candidate. If he and she are together on a ticket, I think they will trounce McCain.

young73:

I saw some European journalists on Charlie Rose a couple a weeks back - and they said Obama-mania has hit Europe. People are following the race in the pubs over there.

EuroTom:

Do you have an honest opinion?

Rez,

"That makes you in the minority, congrats!"

Not so much

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105205/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-Moves-Into-Lead-Over-Obama.aspx

Oh fuck it! Let's just vote for a cartoon:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080319/ap_on_fe_st/odd_japan_cartoon_ambassador

How bout the San Diego Chicken as VP?

Jamie,
it always pays to read a little further: LOL

Gallup Poll-March 18, 2008

PRINCETON, NJ -- Hillary Clinton is rated as "honest and trustworthy" by 44% of Americans, far fewer than say this about John McCain (67%) and Barack Obama (63%).

"But the Clinton fatigue that exists among the electorate"

Is this why she's doing better against McCain in polls than is Obama?

Is this why she's gotten over 12 million votes so far

Is this why she's still in the race even though she's been written off countless times.

Warren...YOU have Clinton fatigue...stop trying to project your own feelings onto the entire electorate...clearly much of the electorate is quite happy with Hillary.

Night night all.

Have fun

Pretty good article (and not as pro-Obama as I would of liked):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23679299/

"That makes you in the minority, congrats!"

Not if you count the disenfranchised voters of MI and FL

;-)

Tom,

Only know what my dau said about the people she talked with, this was in meetings as well as pubs in Brighton, London and Wales..

Many said when she asked why about Obama, was that they just thought Hillary was old and Bo was the New.. Some said they thought Bo practically walked on water...

I disagree with the idea that people that trust Hillary is in the monority. They have shown in polls that she leads BO in honesty. And we all know he has been caught several times in lies recently. Like he lies to the people/or shades the truth a whole lot and tells other privately something else.. Just think him in the White House with Wright at his side telling him to stick it to the whities is a very scary idea. And his inexperience scares me more. Another GBush.. I read an article a while back that said he would be more of a war monger than Bush..

"Cheney Interview "So?" That arrogant SOB. And it was a snotty kid like "So?". Absolutely disgusting."

I saw that tiptoe....almost puked.

hasta luego

nite young73

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105097/Perceived-Honesty-Gap-Clinton-Versus-Obama-McCain.aspx

Wendy:

Can you please stop with the polls - it is so Mark Penn...

Hillary is topped out. She has loyal supporters and loyal enemies. Trust me - I am only somewhere in between.

We all know how far ahead Hillary was over Obama in the polls before the race began. Obama has a better chance of trending up against McCain than Hillary.

An HRC vs. McCain election will be the old 50 + 1 strategy - and who knows what can happen. It is a "roll of the dice"

Obama has the potential to win by a large margin (with new voters, Indys and Obamacans) and enter the White House with some real political capital to move his agenda forward.

young73:

Look at Rezdog's post.

"they just thought Hillary was old and Bo was the New"

This is a powerful narrative in THIS election. (I am not talking about age - but ideas).

Charlie Rose is discussing Iraq. There will be a re-run tomorrow for those on the East Coast.

Wendy - I just thought - maybe the problem between you and me is that your West Coast and I'm East Coast.

Warren! Thanks so much for that cartoon link, because it also linked to this story:

"BEIJING - Among all the protests, pollution concerns and talk of boycotts surrounding the Beijing Olympics, a more basic problem has arisen for organizers: the toilets. At the more than 30 test events held by organizers, the presence of squat toilets at many of the new and renovated venues has drawn frequent complaints."

HILARIOUS! And it made me think of my dear departed mama, who was with me in Venice when we found that the nearest public toilet was a room with about ten holes in the floor. I said, "I will NOT use this!"

Mama hoisted up her skirt and said, "Oh, just get over yourself."

She was a fabulous woman.

"This is a powerful narrative in THIS election. (I am not talking about age - but ideas)."

Nope. You are saying she's the baby boomer.

Y73
I'm across the line in Missouri but I'm willing to mess in your elections at least with a little money. I will never question your Governors political choices, IMO she has proved she is very able.

Patsi:

It will sound a lot better when it is Obama vs. McCain - especially when McCain is pushing a continuation of Bush's policies.

I doubt there will ever be an outcry for GWB to release his papers. I mean , I doubt anyone will want to see all the pictures he's colored in coloring books for the last 8 years.

I've noticed at work that most of the exempt (salary employees) are aware of what is going on the primary race. Most of the hourly people that I've talked to don't even pay attention. One of my reports said the last time she voted was when Carter was running. And whenever anything political come on she hits the remote. She just says it won't matter anyway, "the money people will take care of themselves"

"And whenever anything political come on she hits the remote. She just says it won't matter anyway, "the money people will take care of themselves""

I hear that same sentiment all the time, Bow.....

Even Obama can't get her interested. Probably never could have, based on some of the things I've heard her say. I had to do a verbal warning, telling her specifically that she is not allowed to used racially charged language and specifically the "n" word. Unbelievable, but true.

Obama speech did nothing to convince me that he would make a good President. He seemed to skirt the issue, make excuses for the Reverend Wright, blame it on history, and give alot of talk on how he because of his color, or heritage would change things.

I'm not surprised he would not give a real answer on affirmative action.
Above all else, the one thing Obama's political record tells you is that he is a politician. He has been perfectly willing to knock candidates off tickets, Democrat or not, well liked or not, incumbent or not. It isn't about the party, or the country, it is about Obama.

America will not be well served here or abroad by a President that is associated with Wright's message of hate of this country.