Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

good idea

Little States vs. Big States

Man, talk about results - I sent an e-mail to abrams this morning complaining about Tucker and questioning what the hell Dan could be thinking by keeping him on in his own show. You're welcome, all.

http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=24406&ml_collection=&ml_gateway=&ml_gateway_id=&ml_comedian=&ml_runtime=&ml_context=show&ml_origin_url=%2Fmotherload%2Findex.jhtml%3Fml_video%3D24406%26ml_collection%3D%26ml_gateway%3D%26ml_comedian%3Dnone%26ml_context%3Dshow&ml_playlist=&lnk=&is_large=true

Reparations 2003

Warren - in response to your Crist post...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/florida-doover-should-not-igno.html#comment-49794

N.Y. governor reportedly in prostitution ring

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23561606

warren, re: your comments on the last post about Obama not being afraid of a recount - maybe not, but it looks like it and is being spun that way. What is apparent is that for whatever reaseon, he's (by that I mean his camp) not making much in the way of efforts to resolve the mess that was created by the early voting in those states. I would say this to his camp and Hillary's - get together with the MI & FL Dem party and SoS folks and get a solution worked out. This is hurting his if he's the nominee and the party's chances in Nov. with FL being such a critical state in the general election. And rules be damned - to win the nomination then lose the general election because you alienated the voters in a swing state with 27 electoral votes is too stupid for words. That is what I would call winning at any price.

Rachel Maddow is adding a third hour to her radio schedule. She will have a sidekick during that hour. She announced that this was so that when requested, she could make appearances on MSNBC while her sidekick handled that hour. So no regular schedule on TV.

TipToe

Sorry, it was bound to happen eventually ... Elliott Spitzer Democrat involved with protitution ring. You might have to start new list.

Wendy:

I am not afraid of MI and FL because I think Obama will lose the nomination. Throw them into the mix - and I still believe that Obama ends up as the winner at the end of this race.

HOWEVER, one thing is certain about the do-overs in MI and FL - they will extend the Democratic nomination process even longer. I hoped the candidates and their supporters could get back to their message and start taking on the GOP - but looks like that ain't happening.

So for that reason - yes - I fear all this talk about do-overs. And the fact that Gov. Crist is now the front man on this issue makes me even more fearful for the Dems.

Keep fighting Wendy - just save some energy for the general election.

Interesting comment Craig. Maybe you are right. Looking at the upcoming states, they're likely to split anyway, so your wisdom will probably be born out.

LOL
What is it about Democrats and their penises.

Jeeeez

Jack

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/spitzer-prostitution-scan_n_90766.html

And no Republicans have gotten caught with their pants down.

David is lucky he still has his.

Pogo-

" last post about Obama not being afraid of a recount - maybe not, but it looks like it and is being spun that way..... for whatever reason, he's (by that I mean his camp) not making much in the way of efforts to resolve the mess that was created by the early voting in those states."

I just did a spin around the MSM Breaking News/Top Headlines and all I see is Spitzer and Prostitutes. lol Figures. If there is a spin about BO slowplaying a redo then it seems confined to the blogs and the junkies. Plenty of time to reply to story. He's trying to landslide Hill in MS.
The FP story KC put out there is aaccurate in that there is no offical BO position yet and those who doubt him are all Clinton/DLC people.

What ,also doesnt seem to change is the basic division in the vote. Obama gets the african/american and the liberal activist vote. HRC gets the women and the party centrist. No change this has been consistant. Also Obama gets the "change" vote and HRC gets the experience vote. As the Democratic party is divided 50/50 on the change vrs experience so too are the candidates.

All of this is consistant from Iowa on.

Jack

Jack,

Tiptoe's list is the huge number of Republican office holders caught in various monetary and sexual shenanigans. The reason Spitzer got in trouble is that he was acting like a Republican instead of a Democrat. If he had been enjoying it rather than hiding it, it wouldn't be an office losing scandal.

As E. J. Dionne says, the Democrats know all the songs and how to enjoy a party. :)

Wow...what shock about Spitzer...I was just let go of jury duty and heard it all on the way home. I am sure Cuomo is very interested in all of this. Just as The Wire ended last night on HBO, here is more political intrigue! Reality trumps cable.

Jack:

I totally agree about nothing changing. Obama is winning right now - and he will be winning at the end.

The remaining states are tilted in favor of Obama - save PA - so he will likely increase his lead.

But despite this inevitability - the Clintons will try to drag him down in the mud and beat him up so that she can come close - and have a credible (but losing) argument to the super D's. Couldn't our time be better served taking on the GOP?

Last comment before I get ready to go home.

IIRC the Democratic Leadership in both Michigan and Florida {though I could be wrong and only one of the above states was involved} went to court about them being told they would lose there delegates and the vote wouldn't count, was rejected by the court.

IIRC the court said that the Party Chairmen made the rules and the courts could not interfere in the election process as to the setting of the rules for the Primary Elections.

So maybe both states aren't telling the truth. They did agree to the rules and they broke them. Though Florida was broken by the Republicans, however the Dem's decided not to wait and do theres on the day they usually do IE...Super Tuesday.

Well is time for me to go and I still may have to redo my system again and if so will not be online until tomorrow.

Take care and ...

God Bless.

warren - check my posts from last week and you'll see that I predicted he would landslide Hillary in MS - it's a state of blacks and Kluckers - like my home state used to be and is still to an extent. Not an hospitable clime for Hillary, and it means bupkuss in Nov., but does support his argument to the superDs.

"But despite this inevitability - the Clintons will try to drag him down in the mud and beat him up so that she can come close - and have a credible (but losing) argument to the super D's"

As does Obama when he feels the slightest bit threatened. It called politics, Warren and they have both been playing the game.

Jack

Warren...no one is clearly winning...that is the problem. Neither dem has enough delegates for the nomination. Craig has posted about this several times. And the season is getting very long and my in-laws...very involved dems stated yesterday that they are really getting tired of the process.

And quit blaming HRC for everything. Half of the dems want her. I can respect your choice in BHO, but he is also a politician and has had to fire staff. As Rove said about his ads, so much for the politics of hope.

It is a stalmate.

Typo...Stalemate!

warren - all of the states tilted in Obama's favor between now and the end of the primary season (and I don't include MI or FL, because, well, who knows?) are (R) states. The 2 (D) states remaining are PA & OR, and are tilted in Hillary's favor. WV & KY could go (D) this time, but they didn't the last 2 times, and I don't find any polling that's gone on in them.

Blondie, as opposed to stallmate?

I'm afraid I'm going to get a little crude here

So I'll put my crude comments below the link.
I was reading the back ground on the Spitser/ prostitute ring news on Wapo, you can read it here

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/10/AR2008031001482.html?hpid=topnews

I ran across this in the article
"The most highly ranked prostitutes cost $5,500 an hour, prosecutors said."

Now I've had some good tail in my life but I've never had any that good.
Somebody out there has way too much money.

Jack

Just checked out the Spitzer article - he wasn't acting like a republican - republicans who got caught going to female prostitutes were running on family values platforms. I don't think that was Spitzer's platform.

Jack, some would say that none is that good.

Blonde

I think stal(l)mate works too.
Jack

Pogo...stallmate, good one! I hate typos! Maybe the campaigns are going to get stalled or stale!

"I don't think that was Spitzer's platform"

AAAAhem well, uh

Don't give me those straight lines , please.
I'm trying to be good, I really am.

Jack

Thanks, Jack

As for Spitzer, he seemed the crusader...sort of above it all -- like Fitzgerald, a "special" prosecutor.

Blondie:

Elected delegates:
Obama - 1374
Clinton - 1232

(that's an Obama lead of 142 - how many delegates did Clinton net after her "big victories" on Mar. 4?)

Superdelegates:
Clinton - 254
Obama - 215

(since Super Tuesday Obama has gained 45 Superdelegates, Clinton has lost six)

States won:
Obama - 27
Clinton - 14

Popular vote:
Obama - 13.1 million
Clinton 12.5 million

Why exactly is this a stalemate? Because the person who is clearly winning is not HRC?

"What ,also doesnt seem to change is the basic division in the vote. Obama gets the african/american and the liberal activist vote. HRC gets the women and the party centrist. No change this has been consistant. Also Obama gets the "change" vote and HRC gets the experience vote. As the Democratic party is divided 50/50 on the change vrs experience so too are the candidates."

How about this voter -- the old liberal who resents Reagan voters shoving someone down our throats and replacing a fighter with a guy who believes in bending over for Repubs?

So, Spitzer has spoken...no resignation.

Craig, I completely agree. No mo. It's all about the delegates.

Warren...you are forgetting that not all of the states have voted....your numbers just drive home the point. It is a stale, stalled process.

Pogo:

They are blue states because they vote for Democrats. We need a candidate who can win elsewhere. The Democratic base is NOT voting for McBush - no matter how sore they are from Clinton's loss.

Blonde , Pogo

Just to be serious a bit.
At those prices I have to wonder who was paying the bill. Seems a bit pricey for an ordinary elected officials salary. Although I'm sure they had some cheaper than $5500 an hour.

Jack

Spitzer working on family trust.

Patsi:

We figure your sheer hatred for the GOP will be enough to win your vote. No need to inspire you ; )

Jack...he might have gotten a frequency discount.

Jack,
The ultra rich ultra loser guys.

I really like Alan Dershowitz. Of course trying to speak good sense to Alex Witless is almost a lost cause.

Jack, Spitzer is extremely wealthy. I doubt $5,000 is a problem. Now if it turns out he was involved in the money laundering part, it is a problem.

"he might have gotten a frequency discount"

*snort*

LOL
Thats it
I've got work to do.
You people could keep me distracted all day.

Jack

What a nice thing to have to tell your wife and your three daughters.....geez

Here is the old Website address for the Emperor's Club

www.emperorsclubvip.com

It has been dismantled.

Hey, the emperor has no clothing!

Now, CNN detailing a wiretap that caught Client 9 (Mr. Spitzer). I told you this reminded me of The Wire.

Rezdog
the Firehouse Primary story is dated last Fri/Sat so not in breaking news.

This is from today's news

'"When these states come before us with proposals, we're going to go to both campaigns and work with them," Howard Dean, Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman, said in an interview with CBS. "We can't have half the Democratic Party walk out thinking there was some deal cooked... So we're going to go to both campaigns and try to get them to agree to whatever Florida and Michigan propose as long as it's within the rules.

David Plouffe, Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) campaign manager, is quoted by MSNBC as saying over the weekend, "We do not think it's the place of the two campaigns to negotiate this. We simply are going to follow the DNC here."

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7010287157

so this should be pretty easy to work out

warren, FL & OH are not blue - which is the point I've made since day 1. Your idea that blue states won't vote for McCain is being made on the Repug blogs about red states. Both parties believe that Dems will get the west coast, the northeast, and most of the rust belt, and that repugs will get the rockies, the plains and the south. If both sides are right about that, the battle will be pitched in 5 states that are on the cusp - OH, WV, FL, PA and KY, and the winner will waltz to Washington. If we're concerned about November, and I propose that if we aren't we're worried about those states we're about the wrong race, and that if the candidates are still as close in Aug. as they are now, those are the states we need to look at for our candidate. I think that will be Clinton's pitch to the suerDs, and whether it will be convincing is a long shot.

BTW, herre's a link tothe Boston.com front page - there are 2 Spitzer pieces on it.

http://www.boston.com/

Smoking gun info on Emp Club --

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0306082emperor1.html

Warren wrote: "just save some energy for the general election."

I won't need to...as I won't be campaigning for or against O' in the general election. If he is the nominee...I become a spectator only and wish you all luck.

He'll have a lot of convincing to do to get me to vote for him though. He'll need one hell of a running mate too - Biden may be the only one that makes me think twice...maybe Edwards.

Wendy,
I was not the one saying BO was trying to slowplay a redo. KGC brought that spin here with the DFP article. I was just retorting that according to article no offical statement from Bo campaign. Now I see the MSNBC one you put out. I do not read that as trying tgo avoid redo in FL-MI. do you?

thx for the info.

"the Clintons will try to drag him down in the mud and beat him up"

afraid he'll get his uniform dirty?

Some pictures of whskyjack

http://youngsquarterhorses.homestead.com/2006foalsA.html

Jack

Pogo - both WV and KY are Hillary country - at least in the primary. A WV poll (i'll have to find it) came out about a week ago (before OH and TX) shows her kicking his behind in WV.

I'll see if I can dig it up.

Whiskyjack has a star!

The smoking gun reference has six pages of info and Client 9 is mentioned.

"OH, WV, FL, PA and KY, and the winner will waltz to Washington"

Yep and Hillary has won 2 of those and is projected to win the others as well...guess we know who the best candidate is

:-D

Rez, depends on which came first - Dean's statement or Plouffe's. If Dean's statement about going to the campaigns to get them to agree to the scheme, whatever it is, came first and Plouffe was aware of it, Plouffe indeed seems to be signaling that the BO camp won't play ball. If Plouffe's statement came first, maybe not. At a minimum, what is being reported by Brewer about the BO campaign's response to the firehouse caucuses proposed in MI certainly doesn't match what Plouffe said about just going with the DNC's solution, but then again, id doesn't sound like the DNC had taken that to the campaigns, so maybe not. Fact is, both camps are holding their real cards close to the vest, and it looks like it has all the makings of a classic clusterf@#$.

Wendy, we'll see about WV - this is a strange place - I think you're right about KY. Here's a link to 2 WV polls. (BTW Mark Blankenship is a pretty good friend of mine).

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/west-virginia.html

What happen's to Spitzer's super delegate status?

Good looking namesake there, jack, and interesting angle on about half the pictures. What you saying?

I wonder how mature his wife is feeling about now?

-and he paid so much ( allegedly )

Blondie, he'll probably agree to testify on behalf of the state and no charges will be brought - as long as he was just a customer.

March 10

Per the smoking gun...$4300. on Feb.13th. We need to look at his tax returns.

False News is reporting Spitzer will announce his resignation tonight.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/spitzer-prostitution-scan_n_90766.html

Pogo...this is a federal bust.

international trafficking of women for sale

Blondie, LOL!!

OK, I broke my "no Huffpo" pledge today - I knew I could find things on Spitzer and Tucker there. I'll do penance. Here's a bit about the MSNBC shuffle, with the press release attached.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/david-gregory-headlines-n_n_90763.html

Oh, and if Spitzer was paying $4300, he wasn't part of the Icon Club.

Blondie, now that I've read the articles, I see that. Too bad for Spitzer - the feds love to duckwalk state officials.

" I won't be campaigning for or against O' in the general election. If he is the nominee...I become a spectator only and wish you all luck.

He'll have a lot of convincing to do to get me to vote for him though. He'll need one hell of a running mate too - Biden may be the only one that makes me think twice...maybe Edwards."

That makes two of us. Care to join me for tea while we wait. After all that's all women who back Hillary are supposed to be good for.

Jamie...I'll make cookies.

"We figure your sheer hatred for the GOP will be enough to win your vote. No need to inspire you ; )"

Warren, my little friend -- you couldn't be more right about anything. I DESPISE the Repub party and everything they stand for.

Ronald Reagan started this country on the road to hell. And George Bush finally got us there.

I agree with Jack....what the "H" could somebody do that's worth $5500? And my ex told me ALL about the Bangkok hookers he ran around with during R&R in Vietnam -- some amazing stuff, baskets and all....but not worth $5500!

lol pogo

It's frog march not duck walk .nice one :)

The price of crude oil has hit an all-time high for the fifth time in six trading sessions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7288028.stm

Analysts at the International Energy Agency said that real oil prices are higher than the previous peak reached in April 1980, which was $102.53 in today's money.

or perp walk maybe ..lol

Wendy:

""OH, WV, FL, PA and KY, and the winner will waltz to Washington"

"Yep and Hillary has won 2 of those and is projected to win the others as well...guess we know who the best candidate is."

Wow Wendy - Eureka!! You should work for the DNC. Next primary can consist of 5 contests - and we can be done in a week.

How do you square this with your disenfranchise argument about MI and FL and your call to "let the voters vote" - if you think the votes in 45 states don't matter in picking the "best candidate."

"Suddenly I have visions of Arsenic And Old Lace floating through my mind. No tea for me thanks!"

Darn we were too obvious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DORQNObJzPs

pretty woman outtakes

And the afternoon economic news - the dow is off another 153.5 pts today - all the gains in the first 8 months of last year are now nothing but a memory.

Corey...I read on the Emp Club menu that gift certificates were available...

Interesting look at Mi and Florida by some one who called this when the problem first happened;

http://stubbornfacts.us/politics/the_cannibals_feast#comment-13529

Note the facts and not just peoples OPINION

Writer works extensively in campaigns for Democrats and Republicans

Just thinking about Spitzer and other men who think with their dicks....

Here's the deal about a certain sort of woman -- and I am one of them. If I were married to someone who was in the public eye, and he got caught up in this sort of a debacle, I'd be pissed as hell. And I'd probably cuss him up one side and down the other.

BUT -- what would trump that would be the piling on from all quarters. Then I would turn into a sort of mother lion and sink my teeth into everyone coming after him.

I'm not sure why I am that way, but it is why I understood that despite the humiliation Hillary Clinton must have felt, another very deep sensibility would take over.

But , my birthday isn't until Nov 4th! But , isn't that election night this year? Might as well make a whole day of it!

Go to top of thread I just linked above and read what TULLY has to say. He was the person I was talking about

Thanks

Now this is real BS - Wolfson is undercutting statements made by both Bill and Hillary in order to kneecap Obama:

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_spokesman_declares_oba.html

Like I have always said - in the debates, Obama has performed well on Commander in Chief and Foreign Policy questions. In the last couple of debates - the only issue Hillary could say she won was healthcare.

And not once - when they were standing face-to-face - did she make the BS charges her desparate campaign is throwing out now in an attempt to "scare up votes." I think this is a weak and cowardly move.

If this is what she truly believed - she should have said it to his face.

Warren:

I'm simply thinking of what is in the best interest of the Party

;-)

Maxtrue...and FL and MI will most likely get to decide the dem nomination...all by breaking the rules trying to get in early.

And Howard Dean sort of sucks, don't you think?

Warren...like you told me, it's a tough world out there!

Spitzer is Governor of New York. That makes him a super delegate unless he leaves office. If he resigns, I would think he would be replaced by the Lt. Governor until an election. I'm sure the NY Dems could come up with a super to replace him, but whether or not that person would be a Clinton supporter is the question. Since it's her home state probably a no harm no foul situation for her.

Rez, AFLACK!! (lol)

Bye all.

Pogo - the WV poll I saw may be two weeks old now...this primary season has screwed all time up for me.

I thought it was last week though...

I'll still bet given the demographics it's Hill country.

I doubt Spitzer will go down without a fight! Insert your own joke.

Well Obama supported the Spitzer driver license deal while Hillary made him back down.

And here is politics making America wealer while playing protectionism. Murtha? Let's turn defense projects into partisan slams. Who here knows why GN has a good case for the tanker deal? Does anyone care? Lou Dobbs was allowed by CNN to spouts incredible lies about the tanker deal.

Anyway;

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004051.html

Yes, Boeing is the Saint, McCain Evil and American taxpayers served well by Murtha and company.

How many nations help Boeing to make their tanker? At what cost? What is their record and isn't the tanker deal just 2% of their orders? The larger GN tanker is meant for Asian theater and long distances, but why does Congress care. Protectionism at all costs. Yes partnership with Europe is a very bad things....

And by the way, congrats EADS for the space launch. And remember EADS wants the golden shares to protect their company from Russia, China, Dubai from buying up their stock. EU says no. Now they need Lou Dobbs...

For Tucker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UNeZSZm4BQ

Holy crap! Bear! Have you seen this one????

David Gregory is replacing Tucker Carlson as host of a one-hour show each evening.The news network is making a handful of changes to respond to heavy political interest. Gregory's new show is called "Race for the White" and will be on each weekday at 6 p.m. starting next Monday.

"Race for the White" ???? WTF?

That's supposed to read - Whitehouse

What Lou Dobbs lie?

Max tell me it ain't so.

The fact is that for every piss off congressman and senator there are an equal number with big smiles on their faces. If I was a Democrat I wouldn't be in too big a hurry to bail out Boeing. Kansas has a Republican Senator up for relection. The Democrats in Washington state can blame Bush and the Republicans for the lost jobs. Who can Pat Robertson blame?

Jack

The Media’s Panderbears, Part II: Hillary’s Campaign Has to Do the Job of the Fourth Estate

"While Barack Obama has resurrected his now-infamous “bamboozling” line that he exploited in South Carolina — this time today in Mississippi — Hillary Clinton’s press team has produced two top-notch press releases today that 1) hit Barack Obama’s vote for Dick Cheney’s energy bill and 2) Obama’s fifth waffling excuse for NAFTA-gate."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/10/the-medias-panderbears-part-ii-hillarys-campaign-has-to-do-the-job-of-the-fourth-estate/

"Better to save that for an attack ad and SNL."

exactly...that's how it's done...watch and learn

O.T.

hey look - McCain has a great running mate option to guarantee the fundies come out

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BPB7bTdz2xQ

No thanks.

OPEC President has annonced that the "oil price spike" will last throughout 2008.
The markets are in freefall, imagine the DOW in the range of 10400-10800.
Imagine the distress when those 401K statements arrive in the mail in the fall showing the evaporation in account balance.
Imagine the value of the dollar at its weakest.
Thats the tsunami the Repugs will have to contend with in November.
They are yoked to GWB failed policies and cannot see a way out.
The dem race is serving as a distraction just now but when it is all over the American public will realize the depth of the sinkhole that GWB has dug the country in.
Poor J.Mc , talk about double jeopardy ; smeared by GWB in 2000 and victimized by his policies in 2008.

LOL

I could not beleive it when BHO brought up the VP position in his speech.

He would have been better off sticking to his own message.

Hillary's WH Schedules to be Released Soon

"The National Archives will release thousands of pages of former First Lady Hillary Clinton's daily schedules within the next two weeks, according to a new court filing."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2008/03/hillarys-wh-sch.html

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

http://www.dailybreeze.com/lifeandculture/ci_8489268

Geri Ferarro tells like it is. that's very white of her!
Actually, she got it wrong , he's mix blood.

Yes, Democrats hoping for the worst. The sky is falling. Didn't sound like the promise of Reagan...LOL

Problem is the global threat sky is falling just as much and Democrats are betting economic doom and gloom trumps national security...again

With the tax hikes and all that spending based in large part by defense cuts as hotspots increase will not be lost on voters.

And Hillary has a better economic "image" than Obamanomics. A falling economy AND global threats aid Hillary more than Obama, even more than SNL,

Rezdog

Not according to Alpha
our resident expert on all things racial

Jack

Max, I assume you mean NG for Northrup Grumman rather than GN

Jack

"Also the Spitzer thing could be trouble for the Clintons, just reminds the world of MonicaGate. "

That's as dumb as saying Obama dancing reminds people of Larry Craig's bathroom tapping....

"That's supposed to read - Whitehouse"

I figured so....but there's outrage on at least one media blog about it....

Patsi posted

["Also the Spitzer thing could be trouble for the Clintons, just reminds the world of MonicaGate. "

That's as dumb as saying Obama dancing reminds people of Larry Craig's bathroom tapping....]

True, but if it turns out Spitzer had a taste for big hair women..............

Jack

Jack,
I think she's trying to tap into any racial resentment out there in order to help her candidate. But it 's more offensive to me that in appears she finds it incredulous that America would consider a Black for POTUS.

He is a mixed race Black man, like I am a mixed race American Indian.

....Pardon Me Rez,

But is that where Rezdog comes from?

At least the show isn't called " Race for the White " woman "....

yep. it's an old nickname..

How come Obama only uses terms like Hoodwinked and Bamboozled and okey-doke in front of black audiences?

Just wondering?

How come he doesn't give the okey-doke hoowinked speech in Seattle or Madison?

Just wondering?

"I think she's trying to tap into any racial resentment out there in order to help her candidate. But it 's more offensive to me that in appears she finds it incredulous that America would consider a Black for POTUS."

Who are you talking about?

My Son is a Papoose.,,,although he's kill me for saying that. He is 27 now. ;0)

"But it 's more offensive to me that in appears she finds it incredulous that America would consider a Black for POTUS"

Where did that happen?

Jack

Wendy:

If you will not campaign for Obama or against McCain during the general - who will you knit pick all day?

Hope it is not your partner (she sounds nice).

Patsi,
That's my take on this. Obviously different from yours.That's what makes the world go around.

Warren:

I'll leave it to you to make the case

:-D

"I think she's trying to tap into any racial resentment out there in order to help her candidate."

In light of the okey-doke speech...I would rewrite this to read:

I think HE'S trying to tap into any racial resentment out there in order to help HIS candidacy.

Rez....are you calling me a racist?

I have some problems with Obama and have repeatedly stated them, primarily:

Experience
Quasi-religiosity of campaign style
His early lack of interest in having black supporters photographed at rallies
Willingness to accomodate Republicans
Ties to big business every bit as tight as Clintons

Where's your beef?

BTW - yes...my partner is very nice...thank you...she also is a big supporter of Hillary's.

:-D

Wendy!

I liken his comments, which are meant for a familiar feel with these potential constituents to Senator Clintons warm homey feeling rallies now that she has found her voice.

She would be a fool to sound like a man and he would be a fool not to tap into any cultural and regional lingo.

Doesn't hurt my feelings for either one.

Maxtrue
Dems are not salivating for the worse , they are focusing America's attention to the hard, cold realities.
Reagan had oil prices at approximately $10 per barrel during the recovery in 1983.
No amount of spinning will make the diffuclities disappear.
It takes a robust economy to sustain a strong defence apparatus.
Remember,it was the frequent ill conceived wars by Napoleon which broke the French treasury .

Sheila

IC

Thanks.

N..are you?

NO Are you?

I think there are many in our country who resent Affirmitive Action, EEO, quotas etc. and this was directed at those feelings. My take.
Why do Clinton's staff keep bringing up his race?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bnM2X9yGP4&feature=related

....... ;0)

Not just many REZ,

Republicans. Republican want to bring this country back to Elitist rule....as clear as the nose on my face.

they want all the money and they want to bury the rest of us...

Warren:

do you think this is funny?

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/#mea=227155

They've been slowly but surely canceling out "The Great Society" since Reagan. Brain washing our people.

They are the enemy..... ;0) lol

"I think there are many in our country who resent Affirmitive Action, EEO, quotas etc. and this was directed at those feelings. My take. Why do Clinton's staff keep bringing up his race?"

BULL! It is YOUR take. Some of us have supported affirmative action for a helluva long time. I seriously doubt you ever spent one frigging hour working for any civil rights cause. How dare you spew that shit at the very people who worked to keep it alive?

Is this the kind of unifying effect you have been talking about?

To suggest that I can't question a candidate if he happens to be black is the most insideously racist concept I've heard.

And I'll just bet you are a proud Native American. 1%, like a bunch of poseurs?

HURRAY!!!!!!!

House Panel Sues White House Officials

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/house-panel-sues-white-ho_n_90745.html

WASHINGTON — The House Judiciary Committee sued former White House Counsel Harriet Miers and White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten on Monday, setting up a constitutional clash over the Bush administration's refusal to provide testimony and documents about the firing of U.S. attorneys.

The lawsuit says Miers is not immune from the obligation to testify and that she and Bolten must identify all documents that are being withheld from Congress regarding what Democrats say were politically motivated dismissals of nine U.S. attorneys.

In a statement announcing the lawsuit, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers said, "We will not allow the administration to steamroll Congress

Wtf you talking about.. GF made those comments about BO ..for a reason. why..cause she likes the guy? I have my suspicions why. You think i'm wrong. fine. that's your opinion.

You don't know shit about my life experience, family, nothing!
Don't think you do ither. That's not important here anyway.
I prefer American indian OK thx

"He would have been better off sticking to his own message."

Not unless he stops talking about being against the war in 2002 and his "better judgment". He hasn't been against it since and has voted to fund it for the past three years. Hardly a Gandhiesque position of non violence. He's just getting ever more boring.

Wendy

He probably figures the young crowd has seen all the Spike Lee movies.

Not unless he stops talking about being against the war in 2002 and his "better judgment". He hasn't been against it since and has voted to fund it for the past three years. Hardly a Gandhiesque position of non violence. He's just getting ever more boring.

Posted by: Jamie | March 10, 2008 7:01 PM

Gosh Jamie,

YOu know both of them are forced to pass the funding bill as long as they are running the Repugs can use it against them. Just a fact of life.

Everyone in the House and Senate understand....so the American People. Bush and his followers have extorted too much.

I don't blame either candidate.

He is boring (imo) and without his responses to HRC , I wonder what he would say to fill the time.

the top hit " yes we can " is past it's prime

"But it 's more offensive to me that it appears she finds it incredulous that America would consider a Black for POTUS."

I don't think that is what is making her sound incredulous. This is in the same category as all the people who say, "I don't mind a woman POTUS, just not THIS woman". Sexism being alive and well, you're allowed to say that. But if you say you don't think Sen. Obama is ready to be POTUS ... instant outrage and accusations of racism.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/#mea=227156

For anyone who miss SNL last Sat.

"Why do Clinton's staff keep bringing up his race?"

When have they done this? I've heard news people ask and them answer a direct question, but not bring it up themselves. A great deal of the hard feelings are being caused by the media trying to push buttons for a newsworthy reaction, not to gain information.

Race is a totally unimportant subject unless you happen to be breaking down and analyzing demographics and voting patterns, but other than that a totally useless subject.

I think your all crazy because all of you are over analysing Geraldine Ferraro's words....

AND you are all over analysing each other for anything that can make you mad.....

This is a lose/lose sitch.

Rez has felt the sting of racism, I'm sure because my son does.

The Ladies here have felt the sting of sexism. I've felt it too.

But these two Candidates are above that. I think we should hand ALL of the Surrogates that started this BS...

That's HANG ALL OF THE SURROGATES> ;0)

Jamie,

For fear of being misunderstood, I get the feeling that she's saying that as though, the only reason he's doing well is because he is black. Now. some would say nothing racist there, okay, why bring it up..that's my big gripe.

with all the sex scandals on both sides of the aisle we need a president without a penis

I think the issue could be that people find it difficult to know what is considered racists and what is consider okay to say. There seem to be different rules for different people. So how the heck can someone know...one moment he's black....don't question his blackness, the next moment he's mixed race...no he's black.

It is very confusing and hard to follow....That's why I just stay away from it all together.

Then why don't you use this March10.

Sincerely....

Barack Hussein Obama is a "Man" first and foremost a man and a polititian. A human being.

You can't go wrong with that.

Hillary Clinton is a woman and a politician. A human Being.

We stop looking at them for anything else than their humanity and I KNOW everyone will feel more peaceful about it.

"I get the feeling that she's saying that as though, the only reason he's doing well is because he is black"

This is where I'm talking about Demographics. The majority of the Caucus "Red States" he has won are ones where the black population makes a difference in the outcome and 80% of that portion of the population is voting for him. I don't blame them, but when you are talking about it in context of the General where that state will go red and that percentage of the vote will be outnumbered by a massive Republican population, the win in primary season doesn't indicate a probably win in the general.

Ruth
Are you trying to tell me women don't play around?
A very questionable hypothesis, IMO.

Which reminds me, did I ever tell you about when I was young and trying to live up to my name. A neighbor's wife...........

Jack

Jamie,

After reading the article, I see no problem with the issue of race and gender as a topic. You never know the total context of a phone interview or the attitude of the interviewer. In reading it I came to this part and I find it a little odd;

"When the subject turned to Obama, Clinton's rival for the Democratic Party nomination, Ferraro's comments took on a decidedly bitter edge."
I guess my radar goes up a little bit. Just seems like we know who these cand are, their race and gender, yet we still find it necessary to raise the issue.

OK, Rez -- if you say that those comments were aimed at what Farraro said, I apologize for flying off the handle. It appeared that you were responding to me when you said "Patsi, That's my take on this. Obviously different from yours." So I thought you were saying my post was racist. (The one where I mentioned that there was a media flap about the new David Gregory show. And in fact, if that title had been correct, it would have been a serious situation.)

Patsi.. I'm not that dumb...:) this is a sensitive issue and i'm on thin ice myself with Blacks and their experiences. I do know race and race issues in America and i find some of this mentioning of race for no reason as odd and suspicious.
i don't think your racist however i know i had a terribly racist uncle who i grew up around. he had problem with Blacks and Whites. (50's Oklahoma)

Wendy:

Kinda funny - good thing it wasn't any longer. SNL sometimes errs on the side of being ultra-hip instead of being funny.

And I know subtlety is not their thing - but if they come across a good joke - then tend to beat the audience over the head with it.

Shelia,
I can do that. And basically, I do.

However many conversations also include the reality of race and gender.

Race/ Gender comes up when people are talking about history, voting demographics and different supporting groups, sex and religion,and associations....so if that become part of the conversation, this is when it gets blurry as to what is accepted by various different people.

I am calling for Wolfson's resignation.

I would rather just punch his snarky ass in the face if I ever saw him - but I suspect he would sue me and attempt to get me disbarred.

I think Chris Matthews is more astonished by how much Spitzer paid rather then what he did.

March10,

I find that when talking about someone, if you have to go out of your way to explain who a person is and include race, you are not comfortable with their race and it is highlighting it in the negative.

Like the old shining example, "some of my best friends are black". Which if you think about it, best friends are best friends. You don't have to describe your best friends skin color if you are talking about their fine qualities.

So to with this race card thing. We can all see he is black. BUT that's not the quality we are voting for.

I find that most people who are still making this mistake, still have a fleeting pit in their stomach when is comes to race.

AND some men of our age, tend to have a quiet outrage when it comes to women's issues.

I'm just putting my two cents in here, because you all are reacting, but you are not acknoweging why this just throws you all into a huge rage.

I think if some of us just said, That last post made me feel uncomfortabe or something more benign than THAT"S racist, we could dicuss it better?

OK the NUN is off the Stump!

just my two cents.

and I humbly acknowlege that I flew off the handle a few times earlier in the year. Before taking the time to figure it out myself.

" i had a terribly racist uncle who i grew up around. he had problem with Blacks and Whites. (50's Oklahoma)"

Rez....don't know what state you are in, but racism is right under the surface here in Tennessee. Sometimes not even under the surface. I haven't been as upset since 1964, until I worked on Harold's campaign. Good Lord, the Repubs even called him a "fancy man" in ads....and then the "Harold call me" crap. My homestate of Kansas is worse in its own way....most of the emails I have had for the past three years about Obama are from Kansas fundamentalists.

I agree with you.

I agree with you Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun

I what I meant to post

"I think Chris Matthews is more astonished by how much Spitzer paid rather then what he did. "

For once I agree with Matthews...

LOL Thanks much March10

Well folks,

I have to walk to the other end of the terminal and catch my plane.

I was supposed to leave @ 3pm. the Plane broke down. Now not getting into PB until midnight.

There goes my rest period,. So now I won't be spending much time here until the end of March when Palm Beach From Hell goes away for another 8 months.

Cheers!

"When the subject turned to Obama, Clinton's rival for the Democratic Party nomination, Ferraro's comments took on a decidedly bitter edge."

Rez,

I haven't read the article and wasn't party to the call itself, but I can say that "bitter" doesn't even come close to the way some women feel about Sen. Obama's candidacy and it has nothing to do specifically with his race. The media fell in love with this contest and did everything in their power to promote him over more worthy opponents ... just ask John Edwards, Joe Biden, and Bill Richardson.

Then they proceeded to use every negative adjective they could find to depict her while practically putting a halo on his head. Thank goodness the writers' strike ended to even things out just a bit.

He still should not be President, but we seem to be stuck with him barring a miracle, but I'm sure not going to help.

Jack,

"Are you trying to tell me women don't play around?"

Of course some do just not in as large a percentage or with enough frequency for the "Oldest Profession" to include many straight men. :-)

Sheila

"Like the old shining example, "some of my best friends are black". Which if you think about it, best friends are best friends. "

Many years ago, I needed my then husband to go pick up a friend as I was stuck longer than expected on the job. He had never met her and I said, she was about 5' 7', slender with curly hair and would be wearing a blue dress. He ran the errand, but when he got home said, "you might have mentioned that in a room full of women she was the only one who was black."

In non-political-racial-sex scandal news , I went bowling tonight. I had quit bowling , but I was an emergency replacement tonight. We have a "strike pot" in this bowling league. Everyone gets one ticket. If your ticket is drawn you get one chance to throw a strike. If you throw a strike , you win all the strike pot money. A guy who was missing on our team tonight was credited with having the winning ticket tonight. So , my brother-in-law let me throw a ball for him. I threw a strike and won all the strike pot money. It turned out to be worth $168.00. Since the ticket was "technically" for the guy who was missing , I am splitting the money with him. So , I ended up with $84.00 in winnings.

See it’s the same ole cramp from some on here, so I’ll try to handle all my crap in one post, hopefully shorter than Max whoever the hell he is who seems to write books.

So Billo thinks a good ticket would be Clinton/Obama. Notice he doesn’t say which way because to them there is ONLY ONE WAY. I personally don’t believe the Obama campaign will accept a VP position. Good for him if he doesn’t. The bitch can’t win without him, and that is a given. Let her try with her big-mouthed, lying rhetoric (peace-keeping mission---debunked!!).

From Jonathan Alter of Newsweek:
“The conventional view is that the Clintons approach power the way hard-core [NRA] gun owners approach a weapon—they'll give it up only when it's wrenched from their cold, dead fingers.”

The Moral of the Story
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=1723

Wendy, you’re correct about WV, KY, and OH. They will vote for the bitch. There are a great many ignorants in that area who will believe anything someone tells them. Afterall, they don’t say Jesus; they say Jeeaaazzzz….Us, if you get my drift. And, you see the bitch with her Nixionian answers in the video below (as far as “I” know). So those you mention will vote “against” Obama. A video representing just that when this interviewer (forget his name) talked with some Southern Ohio (degenerate) men before the election here. Again, ignorants (for Clinton). One even said he wanted to vote for Obama, but…well, you see the response. I know those who won’t see it. Blinders don’t help democracy!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYspjJCjgX8

“and the winner will waltz to Washington” Don’t bet on it! Thunder thighs do not waltz. They lie, cheat, kick, scream, yell to the highest celling, “dig up dirt”, do anything to win. Be damned the people. Do they care? Shit no. It’s the same old politics. Power and insecurity. Ole politics should be trademarked by the Clintons. Damn, I bet they have already thought about that.

“How come Obama only uses terms like Hoodwinked and Bamboozled and okey-doke in front of black audiences?”

Actually, Windy Wendy, he used those in front of a mostly white audience Sunday before last when I was with him. Now, your point is mute, I would say.

Oh, like me, if you choose not to read any of this, who gives a damn.

plz, Karolenna, tell us how you really feel !

bbl out for a beer ;)

"they will vote for the bitch. There are a great many ignorants in that area who will believe anything someone tells them. Afterall, they don’t say Jesus; they say Jeeaaazzzz….Us, if you get my drift."

Karo -- I PRAY that your new grandbaby is a boy. If it's a girl, and your mentality influences her....

...if you get my drift...

Karolenna.

I don't know this for certain but I think it will be very hard to make Wendy mute. Especially when you are crude enough to deliberately misspell her name.

You might want to read the wikipedia link below just for your own edification.

Jack

From dictionary .com
Mute : silent; refraining from speech or utterance.

from wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mootness
Moot: In United States law, a matter is moot if further legal proceedings with regard to it can have no effect, or events have placed it beyond the reach of the law. Thereby the matter has been deprived of practical significance or rendered purely academic.

More Grocery Line Scrutiny For Obama

"Obama Sex Scandal Explodes!" & "Obama's Secrets"

(This is only the beginning - it will get much worse.)

http://bigheaddc.com/2008/03/08/more-grocery-line-scrutiny-for-obama/

Gordo...please do not post junk!

gordo's junk is just as good as warren's' or korlenna's junk

Jack - please don't worry about it - I consider the source and scroll to the next post.

it's a moot point anyway

;-)

Since Karo brought up Jaeeeezus....

Todays email...be sure and pass it along to those in need....

Special message from the angels:

Each and everyone one of us are going through tough times right now, but Barack Obama is getting ready to bless you in a way that only He can. Keep the faith.

My instructions were to pick fifty people (old enough to vote) that I wanted Barack Joshua Obama to bless, and I picked you. Please pass this to at least (50) people you want to be blessed and a copy back to me.

This prayer is powerful, and prayer is one of the best gifts we receive.
There is no cost but a lot of rewards Let's continue to pray for one another, and for our leader, Barack Obama.

The prayer:

Oh Holy "O", I ask You to bless my friends, relatives and those that I care deeply for, who are reading this right now. Show them a new revelation of your HOPE and CHANGE. Holy "O", I ask You to minister to their hopeless spirits at this very moment. Where there is pain, give them your HOPE. Where there is self-doubt, release a renewed CHANGE through your grace. Where there is need, I ask you, Barack Joshua Obama, to fulfill their needs. Bless their homes, families, finances, their goings and their comings. In Obama's precious name. Amen.

If you do not send this email to at least fifty potential Obamabots, you will have bad luck and DESPAIR from now until November.

wow .... some people

Patsi
I truly could have done without that one. just like I could have done without Karolenas post.

Jack

Sheila:

" 'some of my best friends are black'. Which if you think about it, best friends are best friends. You don't have to describe your best friends skin color if you are talking about their fine qualities."

I think the - I have black friends argument can be valid. Especially when they are friends - and not aquaintences you refer to to make that argument (e.g., you see them at "dinners" instead of inviting them over for dinner).

One of the interesting things I noticed growing up in FL - where there was plenty of outright racism - but black kids and whites kids hung out all the time. We grew up together, we went to school together, we were friends. Then, I moved to NY for high school - where you did not see the same type of racism (despite cruel wise cracks in private) - but the high school cafeteria was like prison. In that we were pretty much segregated into ethnic groups (btw, this was Long Island - not the City). And so although there appeared to be less racism up north - there were a lot more people with black friends down south.

Anyways, the point is that friendships make you learn that the hateful rhetoric and cruel stereotypes are untrue - as opposed to just reading about it or just thinking it (because of course no one is racist in the US).

And I like referring to my friends as Black, Mexican, Muslim, Hawiian, Gay, Mormon, etc. It is often these aspects that enrich the friendship - at least in the sense that I get to learn about different perspectives and experiences. And of course if you're not an idiot - you get they are all just people - and "their fine qualities" do not depend on their skin because everyone knows that "quality" comes from within.

(and by everyone I mean even the ones who try to deny it)

This site is full of junk. I think the sad thing is that many come to this site because they associate it with Craig Crawford, an interesting, humorous person who often shares political insights you don't hear other places.

Unfortunately, these people soon disappear when they realize the site has very few participants, and the majority of participants are extremely negative.

I have been wondering just how this guy, Obama, has been doing so well. He does have the gift of gab but what do we really know about him. Not much experience. I kept thinking there must be something in the water?? Darn if I wasn't right. There are drugs in the water. That explains it.

Patsi---

Do you ever think that you are talking to Beavis, Butthead, and Big Bertha? Oh my!

I am not defending this "junk". But it is out there. Just imagine how many people go thru the grocery store check-out line in a week. This has an effect - take a look at the link. The "Globe" and "Enquirer" have decided to hit Obama hard.

http://bigheaddc.com/2008/03/08/more-grocery-line-scrutiny-for-obama/

OD
Compared to other bits of the blogosphere, this is a bit of heaven. You can get in a discussion here that doesn't get lost in the bickering and crap. I have seen several opposing views carry on a civil discussion in the last 2 days. Listening happens here. Not everybody but enough. Other sites comment seem to all be one way, the commenter shouts at the top of his lungs and never listens.

Jack

Jack -- bullshit in, bullshit out.

The Spitzer client no. 9 event, has provided a bit of a breather to the relentless coverage of the primary. I kind of like the break.

Feel bad for No. 9's family.. : (

"Now, your point is mute, I would say.

Uh, "mute" might work but do you mean "moot"?

gender'' race'' the war ''all are about to take a back seat to the most important issue'.the economy.the housing market is in a freefall'the stock market also .gas will be 4dollars a gallon soon. unemployment on the rise.

And then there's Eliot Spitzer. He was a good AG when I still lived in NY. He has a lot of enemies. Could the sting be politically motivated? Doesn't matter.

He went to Princeton and got a law degree from Harvard which would seem to indicate that there's some intelligence there, even for a man.

He built his political career fighting corruption and now he's one of the corrupters. He has to go on the list as the only Dem, so far. The thing is, the man has education and a background in prosecuting moral issues and still, like so many other men, he thinks with his little head.

And then we hear the outrage over the very few women, who are usually teachers, who have illegal sexual conduct with a male student, rape, that it's deafening.

Men should keep their pants zipped & think with their big head.

tt

What was that Ice Skaters name....during the Olympics, she started crying because her skate came untied, and begged for a start over.......this was after she had some thugs use a bat on Kerrigan?

The New Republic

Race Man
by Sean Wilentz
How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.
Post Date Wednesday, February 27, 2008
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

mqw

I doubt it.
That is what happens when there is little difference between the candidates.
Truth be told you could have a blind draw and couldn't tell any difference between HRC and Obama.
As I've said before, they are both straight DLC.
The other problem is nobody has a real solution to the coming problems and are to cowardly to propose it if they did.
So they pander and play games.
They play race politics and gender politics because there is nothing else for them to do.
I'm at the point to where I want a complete do over of the whole primary. Let's throw all the results out and start over. Gotta be better than what we have now.

Jack

OD:

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I think Craig should be proud of the spirited atmoshpere in here. Sure there is a lot of trash talk - what do you expect when people are on here at all hours of the day and night. But I think there is plenty of insight, humour and of course Clinton mis-information that needs to be de-bunked as well.

Jane Hamsher of Firedglake questions the Spitzer investigation.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/10/some-questions-about-the-spitzer-incident/#comments

Kind of interesting, explains some of the " why " theories for Spitzer

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hiCZHjSobhzhP4sOVTfb1yNqDB6wD8VASI500

march10
Maybe just separated at birth then.
;-)

Jack

Matthews made sure to link Spitzer to the race. Noting he is a Super D for Hillary - and using him as an example to question how a Superdelegate's judgment is in any way better than that of the average voter.

A bit over the top - I know the Superdelegates are all about the party over the candidate (as well as their own political futures - unless your Bill Clinton or Terry Mc.) - so that is why I am confident they will move to Obama once they are given the slightest opportunity. Obama can grow the party and he will be better at getting more Dems elected to Congress. He will also win the general - so the "big state" argument is pretty much moot. Although I do not expect the Clinonites to shut up about it until after PA.

tt:

"He went to Princeton and got a law degree from Harvard which would seem to indicate that there's some intelligence there, even for a man."

Bush went to Harvard. It is called wealth and connections - which often inhibit intelligence.

march10, thanks for the link.

Yes, What Was Spitzer Thinking?

tt

Bush went to Yale. Matthews is an idiot.

So true, warren!

tt

And I am not outraged by female teachers sleeping with male students. I always wanted a Mrs. Robinson. (I need to go back to school).

Time to unplug - I'm out.

Go Obama - and remember the Obama supporters on this blog do not represent Obama - we represent Howard Wolfson - so direct your anger towards us instead of Obama - who is much more polite.

(Matthews tore into Wolfy - saying the guy held a conference call where he made it sound as if it was up to him - a snarky little political hit man - to decide when of if Obama was ready to be President. You should all hope Obama wins - because the GOP would tear Wolfson apart.)

I'm thinking Ivy league isn't what it's cracked up to be.

Go to a Community College.

tt

W also went to Harvard Business School. It is where he learned about the economy.

This is why we should not judge candidates on the basis of their resumes. Everyone knows its the interview that counts.

Hey Warren:

weren't we supposed to 'shut up' about ir after OH and TX - just shows your ability to predict the future isn't very good.

Karolenna

Nice of you to decide the candidate of your choice based on physical characteristics. I thought you railed against that.

I have never heard a woman talk the way you do about another woman.
http://www.plushcatclub.com/

"Keep spinning Patsi, maybe you'll get so dizzy that the platter of shit you just tried to serve up will look like steak. "

The reason you have bitty answers like this is that you are one dumb MF.

No Wendy. I always said if she won OH and TX - she would fight on. I want this thing to be over sooner rather than later - and realize the next chance to end it is PA. I will let you know when to shut up ; )

And march - the skater you were thinking about was Tonya Harding - and that is a good analogy to Senator Clinton and her campaign's tactics. Someone send that idea to SNL.

I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.

Another woman-hater:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080311/ts_alt_afp/australiausvotegreer

But hey - she also didn't like the Crocodile Hunter.

This time I'm really leaving...

Warren

I think her problem is she has the hots for Bill

A quote from the article you posted

'Everybody loves Bill. Bill is adorable and Bill is always flattering me and inviting me to stuff in Britain and we're buddy-buddy, and I like him," she said.'

Jack

"Wrath, Lust, and Littering? The New Seven Deadly Sins

Vatican Official Says Old Sins Don't Cut it in the Modern World"

Sheeesh.....

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=4424390

tt

It's getting so financially tight that folks have to pick and choose what they belong too.

I visited a friend in anew, fast growing suburb, Murphy, TX, and there are just a slew of for sale signs. He says most are in foreclosure.

It's a recession.

tt

NAACP Pres.: Obama Remark Perpetuated Stereotypes

The president of the South Carolina NAACP didn’t think a remark by Democra tic presidential candidate Barack Obama was particularly funny.
http://www.wisn.com/commitment-2008-barack-obama/15118800/detail.html

"I will let you know when to shut up"

Good luck with that...

Isn't it past your bed time.

I thought you were leaving...you promised...

"This time I'm really leaving..."

see...

George McGovern Backs Clinton

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=240861

This one is for you

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3923276n

Wendy:

Never trust a lawyer.

LOL

Most of my entire professional career has been spent at Law Schools...I know what you're saying...

I however am a Web Developer...so trust me when I say...Good Night.

Buenas noches.

NEW THREAD, folks.

tt

NEW THREAD