Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Gosh Craig,

I don't think it makes a bit of difference for even the Republicans with Bear Stearn in the starring role this Monday.....its the economy and everyone is getting nervous.

McCain should be advertising that he is boning up on the state of the economy. His now famous statement, I don't know much about the economy", is going to haunt him in the months running up to November. Even Bin Laden, who will be rearing his ugly head to influence the election won't be able to direct this one.

"LOOKING" Presidential is not good enough.

In Addition, did you know that "Carlyle Group" reported negative numbers for the first time in their financial history?

If the Bush family's own oil connection is floundering, the economy is in trouble.

RE: Obama being a no-show on Fox. I thought he did appear on some Fox show to talk about his preacher problem.

It's MoJo and the Today Show that he's cancelled for this morning, according to Scarborough.

Given the latest outburst by his church, the new preacher claiming the white media is crucifying Rev. Wright, plus the reports that Obama was present at some of Wright's speeches, I assume he's in deep damage control.

I still don't understand why he felt it necessary to lie about ever having been aware of Wright's statements. It really was a Gary Hart type mistake.

None of his supporters care if he lied. Very few of Hillary's supporters give a damn about Wright being a complete lunatic.

But what I am concerned about is his tendency to cancel shows depending on his mood. He did that before New Hampshire, and even his campaign admitted that they wanted to make sure he didn't say something wrong. Like McCain, this is a thin-skinned man.

He should have gone on those shows and made a joke out of it. "Actually even if my picture was taken at Wright's church, I wasn't really there. I only voted present."

Morn'n all.

Sheila.... The ticket of McCain / Romney solves the Economic problem with great strength.. the word is in that this is the winning ticket, lets see.

Patsi... gosh. agreement again... I would call BHO behavior more examples of "Childish" and more proof that he lacks maturity to President. I can hear him now, its my ball and we play by my rules na na na

Mr. Obama, We Have a Question

"Why won’t you release your schedule that notes the dates when you attended church and heard the sermons of Rev. Jeremiah Wright?

We want the facts, sir. Just the facts. You deny being at the July 22 service — as is asserted by Newsmax — but you provide no verification that your claim is accurate. You can deny from now until the end of time, but you need to provide proof, sir.

Dear Readers: It’s reminiscent of Obama’s failure to provide policy analyst Steve Clemons with a list of the countries in Europe he falsely claims he has visited. Clemons asked because he, and others like Salon’s Joe Conason, are shocked that Obama has failed to convene a single meaningful hearing as chair of the European Affairs subcommittee for the U.S. Senate’s Foreign Policy committee or to have visited European countries. Obama’s excuse is that he’s been too busy campaigning. But he did claim to have visited Europe. However, he won’t supply his passport list, as Joe Conason points out in...

Then there are his records for his years in the Illinois state senate. He doesn’t have them. Doesn’t know where they are. Countless reporters — from the Sun-Times’s Lynn Sweet to the Associated Press — have lobbied Sen. Obama to supply those records, but he claims to have no records."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/16/mr-obama-we-have-a-question/#more-1831

Krugman has a decent op-ed about bailing out the financial markets. We all have a stake in what's going to happen so it's time to get educated:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/opinion/17krugman.html?ref=opinion

I read something saying that oil futures are trading at over $100 a barrel through 2019.

The whipsaw that's being setup will take down national economies worldwide.

The owners' of the oil patch are really playing with fire. They're buying other assets using the value of their oil. But, the value of those assets will surely drop, along with oil prices, when the market ultimately collapses.

Time to buy enough land to sow a productive kitchen garden.

"Time to buy enough land to sow a productive kitchen garden."

Too true.

CNN - LOU DOBBS TO BARACK OBAMA "YOU CHOSE YOUR PASTOR"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47YF421IrGE

Attack the candidate, attack the minister, attack the church.

It appears that there are more Nazi Dino's out there than previously known.

Sit Back... Here is the Ping Pong,,,,
The Rev Wright in his way did express a message that was simlar some bible belt white churches, Read Between the lines...
That the US was attacked as an act of God to punish for our lower values, becoming less of a God fearing country. Do you see any connection?
NOW - this does not excuss Mr Obama for his failure to be honest about his activity, and does this continue today with Mr Obama - that maybe parts of him does believe the Rev but Mr Obama knows that could be true political instant death.

It was just as ridiculously disgusting when they said it as when Rev. Wright said it and they were taken to task for it by KO, etc.

Oh, and Happy St. Patrick's Day.

Top o the morn'n to you Blue (that today we may all be of the Orange....or Green)

Blue - you got my point - I think....

Watch for BHO to turn these lemons into Lemon aide, I can hear him know.... Yes I deeply love this country and as a spritual man connected to God, One could see the anger for our failure to honor the blessings and share grace with all peoples.

Good Morning Craig, Everyone!

Erin Go Bragh...Happy St. Patrick's day to all!

My wish to all is an old Irish Blessing:

May you be blessed with
warmth in your home,
love in your heart,
peace in your soul
and joy in your life.

This is my wish to Craig and each and everyone here...all of which I humbly call my friends, thank you for your warm welcome that I have received the short time I have been here. May my days here grow as numerous as the stars in the sky!

God Bless You All.

Sincerely,
Heather

"LOOKING" Presidential is not good enough.
--Sheila

Are you referring to Obama? 8)

Ah, the little trickster is eating blogs this morning.

Thank you Heather, that was nice.

Peace

Heather (and all ye regulars)-

May the road rise to meet ya and the wind be always at your back, and may God continue to bless and love us all.....

So we all can do more then just get along !!

My Op-ed:
Monday March 17th 2008

It Requires Courage And Grace Under Pressure To Be A Loyal Democrat

Ernest Hemmingway was once asked to describe “guts” he replied grace under pressure.
I realize this is what I must aspire to. I will not speak ill of McCain a man who has suffered and sacrificed so much for our country. I cannot and will not support his campaign for the presidency. First and foremost because I am diametrically opposed to the greater majority of his policies, primarily making the Bush tax cuts permanent, the exact opposite of universal healthcare, I do not want to see that privatized, nor Social Security/Medicare. I can go on and on with a litany his policies but I think my point has been made.

Perhaps most importantly and above all is the GOP War Machine the Lee Atwater/Karl Rove factor that should deeply appall every American.

How the media treats this man is beneath contempt. The status he held in the Bush White House is beneath contempt. He is not “Bush’s Brain” more like Bush’s tempter. He is a flawed man. I cannot and will not support any candidate that benefits from a man and his policies that choose cowardice over courage, deceit over honesty, cheating over integrity and dishonor over honor. Rove’s mentality is simply winning at all costs, lies, rumors, and bear false witness against thy opponent, anything it takes to win.

I rather lose with honor, dignity, and self-respect and have the respect of my peers in tact. I believe that means justify the end rather than vice versa. I remember an interview long ago that Ted Koppel had with Anwar Sadat; they were casually walking along the River Nile the paused and Ted Koppel asked Mr. Sadat what he would like to be remembered for Anwar Sadat replied, “I’d like engraved on my headstone Here lies A Man Who Was Willing To Die For His Principles Rather Than Live Without Any.” I never forgot that lesson and always try to employ that in every facet of my life.

It is in our humanity that we blossom as human beings; it is in our honor that we are respected it is in our compassion that we are strengthened it is in our suffering that we increase our character; it is in our honesty that we inspire others to a cause greater than themselves. It is all these that will create a government and a legacy that will serve our children and future generations that, “more perfect union” that our founding fathers and all veterans died face down in the mud for.

I believe in a greater America pre destined by God’s Holy Grace, a pioneer spirit of helping thy neighbor, compassion for the poor, the elderly, and the afflicted. An America of racial egalitarianism and unity. An America not based on the legacy Bush created that greed is good for America.

For these and many other complex reasons if Senator Obama is the nominee I will support him, I will trust him with my faith and loyalty with the great hope he will not abuse it and I pray that he will “grow” into the presidency with grace honor and distinction. For now, I will continue to support Senator Clinton. I have to be brutally honest, I see Senator Obama as a repackaged version of Jessie Jackson with fancy oratory skills and a Harvard Law Degree. Maybe he will prove me wrong but he has a long way to go. I will be a loyal “Truman Democrat” I cannot support any political party that lacks courage to prosecute Karl Rove for his many criminal proclivities the worst of which is “voter caging” which simply put is the suppressing and intimidation of the minority vote, this is the same tactic used by the Ku Klux Klan. In the mean time, I was deeply offended by Peggy Noonan lambasting Geraldine Ferraro, Ms. Noonan I suggest you clean the racial skeletons in your own party before criticizing ours. Ms. Noonan as a fellow Irish "Colleen" that was difficult for me to say, but I felt it necessary to do so.

Well my time is up and I thank each and every one of you for yours.

Sincerely,
Heather

Top of the morning to you Heather, and other C Listers.
Very nice Irish greeting for today. Thank you.

Cannot face green coffee cream, but maybe a beer later in the day...

Heather,
Got to go to work, nice Ed Op, as a few things are retro. John McChange is not Karl Rove. Need to have your Op Ed have the seperation, Other wise the immoral acts of Bill Clinton should be attached to Hillary or even Obama.
Note - that I am also fasinated by Barack, But do not think he is ready to handle the wheel of this great country.

We will have to dive deeper into the Healthcare another day as I gotta go to work.

Let each on stand on their own..

Nice getting to know you.....

Back later
Da Pong

Peggy Noonan the one who had an affair while married
that nooners ....

a little more idiocy from Peggums
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8360.html

Ping Pong

"Yes I deeply love this country and as a spritual man connected to God, One could see the anger for our failure to honor the blessings and share grace with all peoples."

It is way too early for anyone to do that to my barf reflex. I posted at the end of last week that he could have done this when the first tape surfaced, but that he blew the opportunity to do so. Now it will be just as phony as he is.

I am really turned off now by this whole election process, and that is because it is just about personalities and not about any substantive information on important issues. The most important job in the world is up and the three people who want it can't seem to be honest with the public on their views and where they stand.

Erin go Bragh and Happy St. Patrick's Day to Heather and all of us. Don't think it's too much green beer we are going to be drinking today; it's the green cheese we have already consumed.

The new minister at the Obama's church accused the media of being racist in their approach to this story.
Morning Load was all offended that someone would accuse him of being a racist.

So morningload shall we review your accusations against Senator Clinton and President Clinton?

I agree Katherine,
I believe he used the term, "the white media is crucifying his religion"

The ironic part is that he expects us to take that remark seriously

--Heather

The ironic part is that he expects us to take that remark seriously

--Heather

A number of people need a trip to the irony board.

Heather
A belated welcome. You may have mentioned this already, but where do you live. Just curious.
And for the others who have joined recently, there is a map..just for fun.

I live aproximately 25-30 miles north of NYC

--Heather

"Nazi Dino's "

Kiss my butt, anon. I dislike ALL wild eyed preachers whether they are calling Natalie Holloway a slut, like Wright did, or screaming hell and damnation to frighten people into turning over their paychecks.

And tin foil hats don't impress either.

Here's what I learned about government bail outs.

Borrow really big and the government will bail you out.
One loan and you are out on your can and homeless.

EdvB

I think you need to write to Senator McCain about
being accurate.

Thank goodness I can see Hillary's Major Economic Speech!
I had all i could take of supply side moron Kudlow. It's not just his political ideology that drives me batty it's his arrogance about it.

ughhhhhh

--Heather

mornin' all.

Thanks for the Irish blessings - what is it they say? We're all Irish on St. Patrick's day.

dog - green coffee creamer? I may have some of that in the back of my fridge - note to self - throw out the green coffee creamer. Now that green beer - there's a bar next to our building - P.J. Kelley's - I may just have to stopin at the end of the day for one of their green brews (although a Guiness would certainly be a bit more Irish than a green Miller lite).

Obama has done what too many pols have done in the past and it is catching up with him and showing. His denials are transparent and lack any semblance of credibility and his repudiations are a day late and a dollar short. IMHO it won't matter in the end - the dem electorate appears to be pretty much factionalized now, so the endgame's results among dems won't be affected much by this latest revelation. The indies may not be so entrenched though, and I hope they aren't - we'll just have to stand by and watch.

Sen Obama wants to see the Michigan revote legislation before giving his okay for the plan. EXCUSE ME !!!

He wants to interfere in how a sovereign state will hold its election and decide for the whole of the Democratic party if it is "acceptable" to his highness.

Caesar was an ambitious man.

Speaking of transparent:

Chuck Todd you can come out of the closet and admitt you are in the tank for Obama and not an unbiased analyst. For you and MNBC not to admit it is an insult to any American Citizen with a modicum f intellect

brb watching illary speech on C-Span2
--Heather

Senator Clinton is giving a major address

When Mitttens did that everyone carried it live
When Rudy did that everyone carried it live

Not so for Senator Clinton fatass morningload and Mtrs. Load are talking over it.
CNN is carrying. it MSCRAP tastic

Attack the candidate, attack the minister, attack the church.

It appears that there are more Nazi Dino's out there than previously known.

Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | March 17, 2008 7:24 AM

Turn abouts fair play.

It's ok to attack Hillary at every level minimizing her lifetime of public service. Allowing people who are being paid by the Obama campaign to analyze her "experience" while other's like George Mitchell who are not associated with the campaign confirm her claims as accurate...George Mitchell is ignored while Susan Rice becomes the expert on her experience?

Supporters of Hillary Clinton have watched a lifetime of her work - work that has people saying...She saved my life, she saved my child's life, my child has health care because of her, her role in bringing women to the table was key to our negotiations, while the other politicians said they wouldn't forget us after 9/11 she's the only one who didn't forget us...etc. etc. etc etc. - we've watched it picked apart by the Obama campaign, the leadership of the Democratic Party and the media.

Obama can take a little criticism I think...especially since the work he's done as a public servant doesn't hold a candle to what Hillary has done. I can tell you, I've been searching, and I can't find one person that says...Obama saved my life...Obama didn't forget me. All I see are a bunch of starry eyed college kids and musicians talking about how inspired they are - they can't tell you one thing he's actually done to make a real difference in real people's lives - probably because he's never spent enough time in an office to make a difference...a lot of work to run a campaign and if you're always running for the next highest office...not much you can do for the people who elected you to the office you currently hold. Why doesn't Obama come out this morning and purge himself a little bit more...is he shocked that his Friday confessional wasn't enough?

Heather,

I wrote a make myself feel good even if it won't be read email to MSNBC over the weekend

"You are so deep in the tank for Obama, you will get the bends the next time you come up for air!"

Happy St. Patty's Day....

I'm not wearing any green..... but then.... hey, I'm French....
since I don't drink beer..... guess I'll have to settle for a glass of Wild Irish Rose.... hmmmm..... that's good wine....

yes.... McCain has a head start on the general election....
and if he does pick Romney as VP as Ping keeps suggesting, they will make a formidable team, IMO.....
if the economy gets much scarier.... and it looks like it will...... I think a lot of voters will welcome the addition of Romney back into the political limelight....

I'm just watching the scenery and praying for the Democrats.....

GO DEMOCRATS!

Ping Pong,

Top of the mornin' to you.

I wish I felt the same about Romney that you do.

As part of my business I have spent the past six months working with hedge funds as institutions and with individual managers as private investors.

I wouldn't say their concern is the nation's benefit in almost anything they do anymore than that concern is shared by the government of China.

And then there is the issue of the personal fortune he spent on his campaign months after it reached an undeniable point of diminished return.

Again, I have no doubt he has a lot of acumen in his field. I just find his field is about stripmining resources and not about building for the future of anyone beyond a small group of investors. That's a hazard of his chosen profession -- one he certainly excelled at.

The firm for which Edwards worked was the only one which went public, paid (for the industry) its taxes and made its business publicly known -- and which ended (before he joined them) their policy of offshore banking of their assets and profits.

The same can't be said about Romney's.

Romney Good for the economy??????????????

It is his type of business practices that has caused the problems.

Renee

A drinking song just for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwLnrzd93zo

jamie, I saw your comment yesterday about HBO's John Adams and watched the first 2 episodes last night. My god, what a great production. Paul Giamatti and Laura Linney are excellent in their roles. I believe this may be Giamatti's signature role.

heather, really, you think Todd & MSNBC are in the tank for Obama? Absofuckinglutely - and premium at that..

anon-P, apparently you have lost what little grip you had on reality wrt this presidential contest. It's adversarial by nature, unflattering words about the candidates are part of the process, associations matter, and you've chosen a candidate whose feet are of clay like the rest of them.

mscrap more time on Heather MIlls than on Senator Clinton's speech.

Pogo

It is so well done and they are getting a great deal of the dialogue direct from letters and diaries of the period. I'm recognizing whole lines from those I've read. It is a marvelously detailed production. Of course the book was incredible. McCullough is one of those historians who can make the story of history flow as if it were a great novel.

Now the Robert Wuhl special is absolutely hilarious. Particularly the bit about "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." line from Liberty Valence. He should teach all history classes.

Jamie...
thanks for the song.....

9/11 and KGC....
I agree with what you both said about Romney..... but unfortunately, as we've discussed before... perception in politics is everything.....
I think a lot of voters will remember Romney as the one who saved the Olympics..... it isn't smart.... but it's what will be.....

If you want to b**** about the MSNBC non coverage of Clinton, go here:

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=599583&boardsparam=PostID%3D16229221

pogo,

If only Giamatti got to sing in a movie again.

The Adams adaptation is really something.

Did anyone here see Crossing The Delaware on A & E? Superb work, too -- best realization of Washington's character in any actor's performance (this time Jeff Daniel's).

"Romney as the one who saved the Olympics..... it isn't smart.... but it's what will be....."

Ask Peter Uberoff how that works out. Not so much.

jamie,

I keep thinking it's the same small group of people who watch MSNBC daily... and some watch, some just have it on for the sake of the soundbites and furious company while they are alone.

Me, I refuse to complain about the lack of coverage of anyone's campaign on Turner Classic Movies.

9/11, I did see the A&E production. I frankly was astounded at how good Daniels was in it - I don't get to see much theatre here in the wilds of WV, so I have really only seen him in his film roles, none of which led me to expect him to be able to perform as well as he did in CtD.

jamie - I love Wuhl. I was a huge Arli$$ fan. Is his special on HBO? I'll have to catch it.

Dear Jamie:
I totally agree with you. Your time is far too priceless to bother commenting or registering with them which requires my ss# for tax id puroposes...lol I don't think so
p.s. I loved Hillary's major speech, thourough, to the point in plain concise english.

--Heather

KGC....

yeah... I know....

picking a president by asking who'd you most like to share a hamburger with at a barbecue hasn't worked out so well either.....

how much do you want to bet that there's still plenty of voters who will pick whom they'll vote for in November using that standard.....

many people never learn their lessons and repeat the same mistakes over and over again..... especially voting Republican.....

renee, so true. Get any special deals at LaHout's?

Pogo: Obama is human; I do not buy your "feet of clay" description unless you concede that we ALL have feet of clay.

IMHO, Rev. Wright's comments were going to come out sooner or later, sooner is better, I think, and Obama should have been more out front of the issue.

I can understand the reluctance to criticize someone he sees in full, with all of Rev. Wright's accomplishments too, but this is the day of youtube and Macaca.

Fox is airing the more incendiary Wright speech soundbites on heavy rotation -- eventually people will tire of that and tune back in closer to Pennsylvania primary. Fox and youtube and internet run the risk of the "Rodney King jury" effect, where the beating tapes were played so frequently they eventually desensitized the viewer.

Further, most of us do not live in the black community, which faces more struggles than most of us.

I don't know about you, but we have NO drivebys in my affluent white neighborhood, and -- first time ever -- I left my purse atop planter outside door while lugging in groceries and a pizza last night. Noticed it first thing this morning when outside to collect paper -- it was plainly visible and not touched. Credit cards, digital camera, cash, expired coupons and undone "to do" lists, everything in place.

That is my America, and it is not the same America most of Rev. Wright's congregation experiences.

You guys are really sour this morning. Green does not look becoming on some of you.

RR

I am counting on there not being many Republicans left by November.

I think a Tshirt with the Karl Rove quote about permanent Republican majorities followed by ROFLMAO would be a big seller.

Yes. Wuhl is on HBO. I just happened to catch it before the Adams miniseries started. Some of the bits just have you gasping for air.

sen.clinton gave a pretty good 'common sense' easy to understand speech this morning

heather, that is exactly why I haven't commented at MSNBC before other than by e-mail to Dan Abrams. His e-mail is abrams@msnbc.com. No SSN required. However, I believe that he gave up the post as general manager of MSNBC last October.

9/11

"If only Giamatti got to sing in a movie again." Now that he has the Adams character down cold, maybe he could do a remake of 1776. :)

dog h dog

Wright made racially polarizing and offensive remarks about Sentor Clinton this past December.

This was campaigning for Obama.
Remind me of the comments of MLK that even come close to some of the remarks of Rev Wright.

I am wating for MSNBC to take soundbites from Hillary's speech ut of context and bash her the rest of the day.
I'm sure Dan Abrams has his strikes segment all lined up aganist Hillary tonight on his reformatted show now called "Verdict"

ahhh a rose by any other name...would not be as sweet-- Just be aware of the thorns Hillary MSNBC is loaded with them

--Heather

dog.... sorry.... the only sourness I see is coming out of you and anonP.....
you both commented on the Clinton/Ferraro fiasco.... but Obama/Wright isn't fair game?..... I see both as comments taken out of context.... but they will be discussed no matter what we think.....

Pogo... didn't buy a thing at LaHouts this year..... I'm really not much of a shopper.... unless you get me in a bookstore....
BTW..... they have bought up storefronts that have gone out of business..... there are now 5 different LaHouts along a 1/2 mile stretch in Lincoln.... each one with it's own specialty....

KGC..... I want one of those Tshirts....

KGC,

"there not being many Republicans left by November"

Sen. Obama is reregistering them all to defeat Clinton. They get to go back to being Republicans once the primaries are over.

RR

" I want one of those Tshirts...."
Does anyone here know how Cafe Press works...do you have to provide them a design?

Renee: I did not for a minute say that Wright is not fair game. He certainly is. You do not want to paint with too broad a brush there

If you cannot see the sourness of those besides me and anon p, that says something about your "sourness" meter.

Jamie provides a good example at 10:12.

.

dog, I do concede that we all have feet of clay - and assert that all pols do - that's why I said "like the rest of them". With him, it's that his followers seemed not to acknowledge that he had the same flaws other humans have, and he's not handling this well, to the dismay of his followers and to the delight of Hillary's and McCain's I'm sure.

OMG! MSNBC!
breaking news the goldigger Ms. Mills received aprox. 48 mill wopeeeeeeeee ummmmmm who cares, I'm sorry I have to share the same name.

Right now I am off to NYC for St Patty's Parade with my daughter

later all

Sincerely,
Heather

Renee, not even a new pair of Acorns? They now have 5 storefronts in Lincoln alone? More or less evenly spaced along themain drag I hope so that no one had to drive to get to one. lol.

I am beginning to see the unravelling of the fabric of BHO's campaign...it started with the thread of Rezko and the more the press pulled on the thread, he no longer looks like "different" type of candidate. Then the tear of Rev. Wright which is now widening. He actually seems be surprised by the Rev. Wright's thoughts and sermons (hey, I didn't attend that particular sermon -- not). His campaign finance wizard, Penny, is part of the sub-prime mess with her failed bank --Superior Bank FSB...seized by federal regulators in 2001 (one of the first banks to crack from the subprime mess) making one wonder about his candidacy of Hope for the economy....and today from Pennsylvania...an email circulating about Ted Kennedy -- titled the Hero of Chappaquiddick -- It has a photo of Ted with his quoted -- "I just couldn't bear the thought of anyone drowning in a river while trying to make a better life for themselves." Now that is one super Delegate. I am glad to finally see the scruntiny of BHO as I have felt all along he is a politician like everyone else and his "change" message was empty.

You guys are really sour this morning. Green does not look becoming on some of you.

Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 17, 2008 9:58 AM

And here I thought people were pretty good today.. passionate chatting, lots of well wishes, and chat bully no where in sight...

dog...
apparently you missed my post from yesterday morning stating that I think it's ridiculous to hold any parishioner responsible for all the teachings of one's church or what one's priest or minister says.....
your post from yesterday about the teachings of the Catholic church pretty much stated what I did....

I see Jamie as giving her opinion on Obama and the race for the Democratic nomination...... I see you and anonP as giving opinions on the bloggers posting here.....

jamie,

Giamatti has one of the most gorgeous, soulful voices around.

I love 1776 as you know -- but Adams is a four note part. The one truly musical one is Rutledge.

There is a (tentatively titled) 1776 movie due out in 2009 which is not a remake. It clearly is yet another adaptation of another excellent McCullough book.

The producer is Hanks whose record with American history (Band of Brothers, From Earth to the Moon) speaks for itself.

But Pogo, which Obama supporters are you talking to, who thought he had no faults?

There's the broad brush again, and it seems to me an attempt to minimize those points many find appealing about Obama. Emphasis on inclusiveness and working together; also -- to me -- a better chance to bridge the partisan divide.

Hillary may work effectively in the Senate -- I think she's done marvelous work on the Armed Services Committee, but the warrior/victim image is not working that well outside strongly self-identified Democrats, which I suspect is most of those posting on this blog.

I think the economy is going to be the wild card in deciding the Dem nomination.

I'd be interested in seeing a transcript of HRC's speech on economy this morning -- kudos to her on the timing. NY Times did not seem to have it up; have not checked WaPost or elsewhere.

Wonder if Wall Streeters will be more celebrating St. Pat's or drowning their sorrows tonight!

How, oh how will Ms. Mills get by on such a paltry sum? That's what, 3% of McCartney's fortune? I suspect he can have the accountants write a check for that. I'm sure she's disappointed.

Hi 9/11, what is your profession?

How, oh how will Ms. Mills get by on such a paltry sum? That's what, 3% of McCartney's fortune? I suspect he can have the accountants write a check for that. I'm sure she's disappointed.

Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 17, 2008 10:29 AM

I wish Stella would walk up to her and bitch slap her off her wooden leg...

George Bernard Shaw would have a comment or two on the soon to be ex-Mrs. McCartney.

Wonder how the lawyers did.

Here's the page for selling on cafe press. Yes you do upload artwork

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/

Get it all out of your system now Clintonites!! But I do hope you will at least have a tiny amount of respect for Obama once he survives the "kitchen sink" strategy and wins the nomination. It is the least you can do.

If Obama crumbles and HRC somehow wins the nomination - I will vote for the dream ticket with her on top.

(you may now return to your regularly-scheduled programming of Obama bashing...).

(Heather - I left a post for you at the end of the last thread).

You would have to have the soul of a rock not to get cold chills during Molasses to Rum to Slaves.

Senator Clinton's speech this morning was about Iraq.

obama already turned down VP slot''' which is good' he would only be a political liability now

Eurotom,

I'm supposed to be a writer and producer. But I'm mainly a single parent and witness to our dog.

ET

"I wish Stella would walk up to her and bitch slap her off her wooden leg..."

Stella spotted that he was jumping too soon for a Linda look alike. A mistake many widowers make coming out of a happy marriage. I'm glad the witch didn't come close to the 300 million she was gunning for.

When they announced their engagement, I annoyed my daughter by singing this for days:

Heather Mills,
Your ambition starts to give me chills.
Soon I'll take a lot of purple pills!
Relieve me, Lord, of Heather Mills...

She also -- at that time, not later -- did not appreciate that I called this Scrambled Leg after the working title of Yesterday, Scrambled Eggs.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/03/clinton_hits_ri.html

Clinton Iraq speech. I guess if you watch mscrap
you might not have a very accurate representation of anything Senator Clinton does.

Dog

"George Bernard Shaw would have a comment or two on the soon to be ex-Mrs. McCartney."

We know what you are, now we are determining the price. :-)

For all Harry Nilsson lovers...

http://fortheloveofharry.blogspot.com/2008/03/mojo-magazine-feature-april-2008.html

How much longer can Obama spin his doing poorly with certain demographic groups as a "lack of name recognition". I believe at this point, everyone knows who he is. The problem he's having with certain demographic groups is not "name recognition" but a lack of substance or any real accomplishments that might make these groups back him...unless he really believes it...

Interesting article on Hillary's Catholic support...Obama just can't figure out...even with the backing of probably the most famous Catholic in the country...why they don't want to vote for him...duh.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120571829306940631.html

9/11 you could help me out here... What is the difference between a producer, an executive producer and an "executive in charge of production?" And where does the power sit with producers and directors? I know with Vicky Wyndham the power stood with her as the main actress on Another World. When Jill Farren Phelps came for a short tenure at AW, the first thing she said to VW was "Oh, YOU'RE the one I can't fire"....

Hated her ever since :-)

KGC,

I haven't had any coffee yet so am I not reading correctly that you called Hillary Clinton a fat ass???

Heather, welcome and sorry for your name sake. I am sure Sir Paul would gladly pay that money if he was allowed to beat her over the head with her leg for a minute though...

Am I the only one who thinks the following link reads like today's news?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression

Look what Heather did!

Jamie! Dog! Bernard Shaw! All together (except for Heather)!

We have so so so much to discuss here as voluntary neighbors -- and have fun doing so.

Almost everyone knows here has experienced this in many ways. Almost everyone here loves to experience everyone else.

This is a place for politics in media. But even politics has its place which I'd have to say isn't every place at every moment.

As Jamie's brilliant choice of a birthday lyric observes:

"A girl/boy has to celebrate everything... passing by."

KGC,

"I haven't had any coffee yet so am I not reading correctly that you called Hillary Clinton a fat ass???
Bear"

Not to my knowledge unless I accidentally did it in some language besides English...could you point me to the reference.

Wendy,

Who is the most famous Catholic in the country?

Eurotom,

Here's how I work it out.

An executive in charge of production can be two different things squared.

First is a studio overseer who is either a useless pain in the butt or their in-house producer.

An execution in charge of production can also be a line producer who is the person in charge of both planning/budgeting and day to day production. This is a for hire position rather than a profit participater.

If none of this is making sense, it is because you are sane.

An executive producer can be a working producer, someone who was essential in fundraising or a studio executive.

A producer does everything involved with creating and executing a production including fundraising and getting distribution if it is an independent production.

Wendy,

Who is the most famous Catholic in the country?

Posted by: Bear | March 17, 2008 10:53 AM

The pedofile priest from the Boston Archdiosese?

Bear

I see what you are talking about ...my bad for lacking proper punctuation. I was talking about morningload.
I do not think of Senator Clinton as a lardass liberal.

9/11....
I've always loved the non-political talk here the most....

Pogo..... yes.... all the LaHouts are on the same side of the street....
there's the original...with a smattering of everything.... there's one dedicated to high price avant garde ski clothing.... there's one with just snowboarder stuff.... one that's dedicated to the "life is good" line... and another one dedicated to Patagonia and Columbia stuff...
unfortunately..... the snow was so deep and the sidewalk wasn't cleared.... just paths leading from the road to the storefronts.... so to walk from store to store one had to walk in the road.....

Wendy,

Who is the most famous Catholic in the country?

Posted by: Bear | March 17, 2008 10:53 AM

Bear...try...Ted Kennedy....

ET hahahahaha

I meant Ted Kennedy...but he's just as bad...so it really doesn't matter...no I'm not calling Uncle Teddy a pedophile...but he has other problems that make him just as unpalatable.

And just in case I offended Lardass Liberal or anyone else with a big butt

there is nothing wrong with having a fatass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zER7SSti3A

dog, either Mills fired her lawyers or her lawyers fired her before the last 6 day go round before the court. I would have to say that one who serves as her own lawyer when in a divorce involving a $1.6B estate to which you are trying to claim a portion of has a fool for a client.

And I intended to paint with a broad brush, based on the impression I get from Obama supporters who have almost constantly denied and have certainly consistently failed to acknowledge Obama's weaknesses for the past 9 or so months - what I have referred to as viewing the world through Obama colored glasses. It's been rampant here. This latest flap over the good reverend's positions is a good example. Now maybe those offending views were isolated and closely held, but I doubt it. Having grown up in the Presbyterian church and attended a Catholic church most recently (yeah, I know, atheist and all that) I have never had an "Oh really, I had no idea my minister felt that way about that issue" moment. One thing I've seen is that ministers tend to be pretty out front about their beliefs, tend to work them into their sermons and homilies with fair regularity, and their congregations are generally aware of what their opinions are (except for those little secrets that some priests held very close). It's really quite simple - I don't buy Obama's explanations, denials and repudiations in this case, any more than I've bought his sanctimony about the war or his excuses for not convening his Senate European Affairs subcommittee or his not taking positions on legislation in the Ill. legislature. Doesn't mean I won't vote for him if he's on the Dem ticket - I will. But I'm voting for him with eyes wide open. Oh, and by the way, same for Hillary.

actually...ET...I didn't realize you were responding to Bear but still a BIG LOL for you.

and the rest of the answer stands.

LOL

Wendy:

How much longer can Clinton spin the fact that the is losing the primary race on claims that (i) Obama supporters are naive, (ii) Obama lacks substance, (iii) Obama is not ready to be Prez (but he is ready to be VP), (iv) the media is biased, and (v) only a handful of states matter in determining the nominee.

And if i-iv are actually true - and she is still losing. What makes you so confident she will beat McCain?

I remember that Mary Alice (Mickey) Dwyer-Dobbin was Executive in Charge of Production for Another World, Guiding Light and As The World Turns. On CBS, Michael Goutman was EP on ATWT until JFP was fired from AW and he took over at the Brooklyn studio until the show went off the air... I guess Dwyer-Dobbin was the overseer for all the Procter and Gamble Productions?

AW was known as "the forgotten soap". NBC never really liked it; they didn't own it, and unlike the other East Coast soaps, it was not in NYC proper but in this strange hasidic jewish community in Brooklyn, so it was cut off from most of the action. I was at the studio twice... awesome, but you really WERE isolated.

VW's sister thought I should try to create a viewer's advocacy position with one of the networks because I was always pushing the ideas of fans to the show. Both she and VW said that if people want television to be more responsive, they need to have people who remind them that it is the people who own the airwaves, not the corporations managing them. I thought about it, but decided to move to Europe instead. c'est la vie... now I run a gas station. lol...

I love talking about this stuff.. sorry for the O/T everyone, but the politics have gotten so draining for me.

"Who is the most famous Catholic in the country?

Posted by: Bear | March 17, 2008 10:53 AM

The pedofile priest from the Boston Archdiosese?"

No, Me son, I believe she would be talkin' about the other pervert from Mass. , Joe Kennedy's (Bless his soul) baby boy. The thought comes to mind this bein' Saint Paddy's day and all.

Before I head to work, I do admire Hillary for taking on Blackwater in her speech this morning. The crusader army has garnered too much power from friend, Bush. And it was poor timing that she was cut-off after she mentioned Blackwater.

Have a good day all...Happy St. Patrick's day. Be careful out there and watch out for the other guy.

Hi Wendy. leave it to me to be inappropriate when I am talking about religion... :-)

Oh and sorry for the big O/T talking about the soaps... When I see someone online who has connections with the entertainment industry, I enjoy engaging...

Warren... I wish I could understand your mindset. You're a decent person even though you did call me an asshole once. I like your passion, but I just don't get your love affair with Barack Obama. I mean, that's more my sort of thing... :D

Forgive me father for I have sinned ...

Warren:

All of the things she's been running on that you listed are actually starting to play out as TRUE...so I believe she can keep it up for awhile.

Obama's silly excuses are falling apart...he needs new spin.

Oh...and BTW...I'm not sure any Democrat can win now thanks to the lousy leadership of the Democratic Party and the sexist pigs that back Barack Obama

:-)

Just my two cents.

PPS

I mean the sexist pigs of the Democratic party that back Barack Obama...not anyone here...

;-)

KGC

This is the one I was hoping for when clicking your link. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhKDV0QN4ew

"I don't know about you, but we have NO drivebys in
my affluent white neighborhood.....That is my America, "

You are very lucky. A 60 year old woman got mugged in the Kroger parking lot just down from my house a few months back. And the 50 year old songwriter who tried to pull off the parolee doing the mugging was stabbed to death.

At my old address, I was robbed two times. And two old women down the street murdered by another parolee.

Before that address, another robbery....would have been yet another, because they came back that night
for the rest of it....I had a rifle (unloaded) in the house and was so pissed that I chased them off. None of those areas were considered trashy areas. Nice middle class brick houses.

Other than the murder down the street this neighborhood has been pretty quiet.

Ola Brunkert, former ABBA drummer, has been found dead at his home. He apparently fell against a glass door and cut his neck, tried to help himself by wrapping a towel around it, but collapsed in his own garden...must have bled out before being able to call for help.

Caffeine is kicking in now so my ready skill will improve.

I'm not sure why Ted Kennedy is getting the label of most famous American Catholic. I would vote for Cardinal Law, who could have been pope if he didn't overlook the priest on boy thing...

EuroTom, please stop with the soap talk...I need to be productive today and your reminding me of AW is killing me. It's a @#$#@ enough I can remember the theme song sung by Crystal Gayle...AHHHH!!!!!

Is it safe to say Generations was the Barrack Obama of NBC soaps though? Lot's of promise to start...not enough staying power to last?

You won't believe this, but almost the same thing happened last year to my ex's cousin... He had two disabled children and was building some sort of structure to help him when the electric saw he was working on fell and cut his throat. He ran outside for help but no one was home... he also bled to death and his poor wife and very confused children came home to find him in the yard. His hands were around his neck. The poor man was younger than me... Not that I am young, I am 48, but younger than that.. around 44 I think or something. Sad sad sad!

Jamie

That is a much better choice.

WHAT MEDIA IS NOT REPORTING: RE: TRINITY CHURCH!

Rev. Thomas (Pastor of Mainly White Congreation of UCC) denounces e-mail smear campaign against UCC’s largest congregation - Written by J. Bennett Guess, Jan. 11, 2008

Obama, who is seeking the Democratic nomination for president, has been a member of Trinity UCC for 20 years." "Trinity UCC is rooted in and proud of its Afrocentric heritage," Thomas said. "This is no different than the hundreds of UCC churches from the German Evangelical and Reformed stream that continue to own and celebrate their German heritage, insisting on annual sausage and sauerkraut dinners and singing Stille Nacht on Christmas Eve. ." While Trinity UCC is predominately African American, it does include and welcome non-Black members. The Rev. Jane Fisler-Hoffman, Illinois Conference Minister, who is white, has been a member of the congregation for years.

"Trinity is a destination church for many members of the UCC, a multi-racial, multi-cultural denomination that is largely Caucasian," Thomas pointed out. "When in Chicago, many UCC members flock to Trinity to share in and learn from its vibrant ministries, dynamic worship and justice-minded membership. Contrary to the claims made in these hateful emails, UCC members know Trinity to be one of the most welcoming, hospitable and generous congregations in our denomination." [...]

Rev. Steve] Gray, a member of First Congregational UCC in Indianapolis (mainly caucasian), has worshiped several times at Trinity UCC and is most impressed by the overflowing sense of welcome it extends to visitors. "When you're Euro-American, (White) the people [at Trinity UCC] are so exceedingly gracious, warm and welcoming. They hug you and say, 'Welcome to our church!'"

This ramped-up smear campaign against the UCC's largest congregation and U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's home church — Trinity UCC in Chicago — has raised the ire of the Rev. John H. Thomas, the UCC's general minister and president, who called the e-mail-driven claims "absurd, mean-spirited and politically motivated."

The Main Stream Media has been filled with images and video of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's controversial statements for the past four days, 24/7, which Obama has strongly condemned. My concern, however, relates to equal time. When Senator Obama, who, after all , is actually the Candidate, gave a speech in Indiana, addressing his faith, diversity, and unity, and Invoking Robert Kennedy, it has gotten such a tiny percentage of coverage in comparison to Rev. Wright's controversial statements shown every hour in the hour. The main stream media has asked the questions how is Obama to deal with this controversy and when he does they give very little air time to his Answer, which he spells out beautifully in this Indiana Speech. This is just not Right.

Here is the link to the transcript/video of Obama's speech. Let's urge our friends in the blogosphere, and in every level of media, to Air this and to tell the whole picture, not just a part of it, regarding The Trinity Church which Obama belongs to.

Robert Wuhl has a bit in his newest "Assume The Position" that has all the students beating on their desks and singing "We Will Rock You". Just thinking about the punchline on that one has me grinning.

Queen is one of my all time favorite groups. Freddie Mercury was a rare treasure.

What a horrible, sad story, ET! What a terrible way to die...and to find your loved one.

"...an NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll reported that about 35 percent of Americans believed that it was McCain who had the right approach to the war - not giving up and not leaving Iraq to Al Qaeda and chaos - compared with 30 percent for Hillary Rodham Clinton and 27 percent for Obama."

Out of the 3 candidates American's like his Iraq plan the least...ouch...what's left? If he can't run on that 2002 speech of his...what ever will he do?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/17/america/politicus.php

Is it just me or is his campaign falling apart? I can only hope it falls completely apart and the last 10 + revote in MI (and whatever will happen with FL) will do him in. Move on from the Obama disaster.

Well,

I just got an email from a cousin of mine who lives in Boston. She works for a non profit in Boston and I'm not sure how, but she ended up at a fund raiser for Obama last night.

She just sent me pictures of her with Senator Count Chocula, the Phantom Gourmet, but the highlight of her night by far, was to be touched by Jenifer Garner and to get a picture with Ben Affleck...Jenifer has killer legs by the way...

Bear, anyone who remembers AW is awesome in my book, seriously. And I do remember Generations! It was with Richard Roundtree, the first African American based soap on national television. AW also had a stellar cast of AA characters. One actor who got his start there was Morgan Freeman... also Howard Rollins Jr... many more...

I am off to do some shopping... back later...

Oh and the Theme from Another World that you are talking about was Crystle Gayle and Gary Morris... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpFXS5dILKk introduced by Linda Dano as Felicia Gallant.

And the last theme song from the show was an ER copy, but all so good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5JWnXUOrzc

"...fell against a glass door and cut his neck, tried to help himself by wrapping a towel around it, but collapsed in his own garden...must have bled out before being able
to call for help."

DAMN! That sounds like the beginning of a Law &
Order episode! (The guitarist did it...)

Patsi, sounds as if you've been around some pretty scary places...

Here, in our neighborhood, it's been pretty quiet. I don't keep firearms but I do have a KA-BAR fighting knife on top of one of the cupboards. I'm prepared to use it if the need arises.

If there's an intruder at night, though, I may not even need to use it. Just brandishing it while I'm attired in traditional Scottish battle dress, all 6'-3", 260 lbs of me, will surely terrify all but the most intrepid thieves.

Harborwoman,

I found my mother dead of a heart attack when I was a teenager. I will say it was always more traumatic to realize the number of signs that I missed or when I think back to things I never got a chance to say. Her biggest fear was to be stuck on a machine in a hospital, basically prolonging the agony. So in that sense, I was relieved that she died quickly and in her sleep.

Jamie,

Just thinking of Freddie Mercury gives me chills. A Night at the Opera is one of my all time favorite albums. I had a Jewish roommate in college and I loved to antagonize him by cranking Mustafaa...lol Since he had just lived the previous couple of years in Africa, he retaliated by cranking the worst R & B he could find...

I laugh now because he is one of the two people who steered me towards my musical passion for reggae...

I just talked to my ex... the cousin who died when the saw cut his neck, he was busy building a special elevator for his two handicapped children. Just makes me shudder.

Wendy:

Clinton may be able to start convincing people that these points are true due to the power of the Clinton machine - and its ability to spin.

But these are the same arguments she has been making from the beginning - and it has not worked.

It is not true that Obama lacks substance. Obama is also ready to be POTUS (if not - why has he been able to beat HRC in the race so far, stand toe-to-toe with her in debates and also been offered the VP job by the Clintons). And all candidates have naive supporters. And before this primary race began - no one in their right mind would have said NY, MA and CA are the keys for the Democrats to win the general election.

And I will agree the media is biased. Sure sexism plays a role - but the bias is also created by the FACTS that a lot of people don't like the Clintons - and the media in particular do not like their strong-arm tactics.

So she will face a similar media bias against McCain in the general (who is a media darling) - i.e., another disadvantage for her in the general. Which is particularly important when it comes to winning over "naive voters."

Trust me - positive media coverage works a lot better on "naive voters" than the insults I hear on this blog.

ben affleck should stick to what he knows best' acting
oh wait a minute'' never mind

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

KGC & Jamie,

Those links were a little too much of an eye opener for me this am to go with my java. . . BUT, my bad, I made the mistake of clicking one of those related video. Now I 'm looking for a towel and my windex. :)

Obama with the "fierce urgency of NOW" again. Would someone please get this man to memorize a new stump speech.

MSNBC is showing the blogger wars ... we are fortunate here that we can fuss at each other's candidates and pull back (most of the time) from hurting each other.

"The confluence of recent news has even the White House distributing press releases. So damaging is the economic news of the last four days that the President has stepped to the microphone in an attempt to calm markets and reassure investors by proposing a yet-to-be-specified economic stimulus package to help keep the economy from slipping into reverse gear. As the New York Times reports: “With the odds of a recession increasing, Bush is weighing the need for an economic stimulus package. The president, who has been plagued by low public approval ratings for his handling of the economy, isn’t expected to make any decisions until later this month. Tax cuts are under consideration, White House spokesman Tony Fratto said. ‘’We’ve done tax cuts before and it’s led to growth,'’ he said.”

Tax cuts, tax cuts! How can the President be so insensitive to the current reality? The same old remedy of tax cuts, not only is too little too late even for the rich and upper middle classes, but is inexplicable folly in the face of the current negative cascade of economic news. What is more tragic though is the continuing blindness of this President to the lived experience of almost 75 million Americans who don’t own stocks and who don’t work in jobs that pay living wages. How is it that he can remain simultaneously oblivious and yet informed of the fact that the plummeting economic numbers hurt the economically insecure in ways so obvious and so embarrassing that our international partners around the world are openly wondering what kind of a nation we are becoming"
excerpt from Penn State U. Poverty in America... Dr. Amy K. Glasmeier.
I totally concur...Shame on you Mr Bush

--Heather

I agree With Blog wars Hillary has been definate been mistreated on blogs!

--Heather

EuroTom,

Hearing that story makes me believe more and more that God is a Republican...he was telling your exes cousin to screw the handicapped...if the market wanted them to get access to that part of the house, they would do it on their own...unless they were heavy contributors.

"the cousin who died when the saw cut his neck, he was busy building a special elevator for his two handicapped children. Just makes me shudder."

That's awful, Tom. Makes me shudder too.

Never underestimate people's ability to define an omnipotent being. God gave humankind free will, they use or abuse it by their own will, when its abused by humans it always winds up being God's fault, not humans.

--Heather

Democrats should not be personally attacking Democrats. Unless its someone like Judas Lieberman who is not running for anything.

Going after the policies of them is fair game, however the personal attacks should be left to the Media and the Republican Fascist Nazi's.

When you have a Democratic candidate saying a RFN like McCain will make a better candidate than a Democrat will is over the top as far as I'm concerned.

And I'm sure that both candidates have people on their campaign with ties to many things we all object over. The race should be about issues affecting all Americans and if there are to be death by relationship than I'm sure much can be found out about both Obama and Hillary.

It use to be that only Republicans ate their own and know I see that Democrats do as well.

The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/17/the-rise-and-fall-of-barack-obama/#more-1832

Is anyone else having difficulty checking new postings?
Normally, I just click on Permalink and new messages appear.
Now, I must exit and re-enter blog..

Anon p

Could you please show me the quote where Senator Clinton says McCain is a better candidate?

OD...
I have been having the same problem for about a week.....
I have to exit and then re-enter the blog to see any of my new postings....

* "Disingenuous"
* "Too polarizing to win"
Warren -- here's a few of the words Obama and his minions have thrown at Hillary. So please quit whining about her "kitchen sink" tactics.

* 'Divisive'
* "Untruthful"
* "Dishonest"
* 'Calculating'
* "Saying and doing whatever it takes to win"
* "Attempting to deceive the American people"
* "One of the most secretive politicians in America"
* "Literally willing to do anything to win"

KGC

She said, She brought a lifetime of experience to the Presidency. McCain would bring a lifetime of experience to the Presidency. Obama would bring a 2002 speech.

It was pretty snarky,but it had been a bad few weeks. She has pulled back from that since.

Warren:

now that all the shiny has rubbed off O' it's starting to work...but I admire you in your efforts to try to apply new shine when the old shine rubs off...pretty soon you're all going to run out of polish.

You all use the word SUBSTANCE in relation to O' quite a bit...though I've seen no proof of it either from any of you or in my own research which I've been doing on my own since his supporters here are never willing to post anything of real substance...just more mumbo jumbo about how inspiring he is. Funny when I look for stories about what a real difference he's made in other people's lives...I don't find anything. hmmmmmmm.....

mqw

11:43 post

ROFLMAO

"In 1988, the Massachusetts furlough program was ignored in the Dem primaries—then ate Dukakis alive in the fall. Will Obama end up being “Dukakised” by this, and other matters, if he becomes the Dem nominee? We have no way to know. But on yesterday’s program, Matthews did what he has done for the past fifteen months—he tried to select your nominee for you. We have no idea how he’ll act in the fall."

http://dailyhowler.com/

Jamie

Did she really say that about the speech. This is the only direct quote I can find. And it sounds to me as if she is challenging the media to do the part of its job that involves reporting.

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Buzz up!on Yahoo!In a Cabinet-style setting, surrounded by retired military leaders, Sen. Hillary Clinton said the public should ask whether Democratic presidential rival Barack Obama has met the criteria needed to become the nation's commander in chief.

"I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it's imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold," the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant's bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.

"I believe that I've done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you'll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy," she said
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/06/clinton-mccain-and-i-hav_n_90310.html

Here's a recipe for Irish Beef Stew made with Guinness. Off to procure the ingredients, and will attempt to stay out of the Guinness until the stew is safely simmering.

This one has both Guiness and "fine red wine."

http://www.elise.com/recipes/archives/001414irish_beef_stew.php

""Have I got the best recipe for you!" my friend Tomas announced, upon his return from a trip to photograph vineyards in Italy. "It's an Irish beef stew," he added, "and it's the best thing I've ever had."

Apparently the chef at one of the wineries Tom was visiting prepared this stew for Tom, based on a Bon Appetit recipe, with the main difference being the substitution of Guinness (a very dark beer) and excellent red wine for some of the beef stock the recipe called for. Always eager to try new recipes with friends, I made my way to Tom's house and we cooked this up together for his family. As I suspected, the addition of Guinness and red wine makes all the difference."

It must be pretty bad when the most exciting presidential primary season in ages is easily upstaged by rapidly increasing fiscal incontinence. Maybe we should just all drink our green beer and get back to the economic crapfest and the presidential politics later. Plus it's Monday. Yeah.

Hillary"s comments about foreign policy credentials and McCain and Obama were and continue to be distorted.

Her point was that she was comparing her foreign policy credentials to McCain. She indicated that they both had experience in the field and that she relished the opportunity to debate him on these issues in the general election. She was then asked about Obama.
She indicated he can speak for himself.

This was turned into a total mischaracterization of her comments. This is very typical of this campaign.

The misrepresentation of her comments continue on blogs, in the press, and by people like the hacks America, also known as Air Obama.

Jamie - KGC

I don't care what the Dems think about Hillary's CIC statement.

I thought Hillary's quote you pointed to was fair.

What she was getting at was...instead of picking me apart and giving empty speeches about change...perhaps he should tell you exactly what will make him a good commander and chief. AND if he won't say it...perhaps all of you in the moonstruck media should ask him.

He keeps giving this BS about wanting to talk about the issues...but then...NEVER DOES...instead spends his time trying to nitpick Hillary's experience and turn her and her supporters into racists.

Boy...what if we started pulling all the skeletons out of HIS supporters closets for the world to be reminded of...

She was RIGHT ON!

O' stick to the issues and try not to plagiarize.

Hillary had a great quote the other day...I heard it on the radio so sorry...no link...I'll have to paraphrase a bit.

They have nitpicked my experience and they should...I mean...it's a campaign...that's what you do...but even after all the nitpicking if you compare our experience I come out ahead

or something like that

it was great and she's right.

Even after all the nitpicking he looks like an amateur compared to her.

:-D

correction..like the hacks at Air America, also known as Air Obama..

Thanks Rebellious for posting problem comment..

"New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant's bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington."

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. I assume this is an opinion piece since the image is so negative.

dog,

That sounds a great deal like a stew my ex used to make that he called "The world's most expensive stew" as it involved a couple of bottles of wine. Unfortunately I didn't get custody of the recipe, just the kids.

KCG, I've not tried the stout, but the wine works and I also use some good quality soy sauce.

The Guiness I've bought here just doesn't taste like what I used to get while stationed in the U.K.. Made my own stout for a number of years. It was really, really good.

People used to get a pint of lager or of bitter. Neither came close to Guiness served with a ploughman's lunch. Darn, I'm hungry!

kgc...

It was all over the air waves. She said McCain was ready to be Commander in Chief, she was ready to be Commander in Chief and Obama gave a speech.

There was also comments from many Democrats about that statement. There may also be a you tube on it as well.

Warren will love this because he likes to make predictions...what do you think of this prediction?

"The first bad news came on April 22 in Pennsylvania, a state that the Obama campaign itself projected to lose by only 5 points. In the end, Obama lost by 20, getting barely a quarter of the white vote. Guam tilted for Clinton as well, and then the crushing blow came on May 6, when Obama narrowly lost two sizeable states he had projected to win, Indiana and North Carolina. Not unexpectedly, West Virginia and Kentucky went by huge margins for Clinton, who then squeezed out a win in Oregon as well. Clinton picked up dozens of delegates in a big Puerto Rico win, and won a narrow victory in the Michigan revote as well. The Montana and South Dakota primaries were close, but by that time the result was foretold."

From article linked above.

Wendy

Now that's a scenario that could keep me smiling all the way to june.

Garlic? Red wine?

In Irish stew?
Good lord , girl, It's bad enough you're usin' beef.

Save the Guiness to drink with the stew. A waste of good drink, if you don't mind me sayin'.

Irish stew is simple fare.
Mutton, or lamb if you've got a delicate palate.
Potatos
Onions
Some folks like carrots
and some have got the habit of puttin' in celery
I shocked the bejeezus out of my mother when I told her I liked a can of tomatos in my stew. I like the zing tomatos give the stew
But if I had come home talkin' red wine and garlic or wasting good drink, she woulda run me out of the house.

Try this prediction/nightmare:

On election day, the Hillary/Bill haters on the right and in the middle don't vote for her.

The black folks who have watched Barack Obama viciously attacked? They stay home.

The progressives, having watched Clinton win using Republican tactics and not forgiving her for voting for the war and destroying the hope Obama brought? They stay home.

Having been disgusted by every aspect of Clinton's campaign, I stay home.

The result? Hillary Clinton gets John McCain elected president.

Another generation of young voters has had it proven to them that participation is futile.

McCain inherits the mess that Bush has wrought, takes the blame and is too old to run again.

Clinton becomes a discredited, vilified and despised creature.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-dantoni/clinton-nomination-nightm_b_91245.html

Jamie - go read the last paragraph of that as well - equally as uplifting

"The black folks who have watched Barack Obama viciously attacked? They stay home."

This is fiction...a fairytale...contrived...and completely imagined.

The "so called" vicious attacks have all be debunked of late...so...they may in fact stay home over some "perceived" attack but it is just that..."perceived".

OD & RR, have you clicked your browser's refresh button? I find that If I post a comment, all the comments before it load but it doesn't - if I then click the refresh button, the comment I posted loads and all is right with the world.

must go find breakfast

must go outline paper that's due on Wed

nice to work for a Jesuit school...I'm off all week thanks to some lovely Catholic holidays

:-D

wendy;

What no uplifting smiles.

Rezdog, why should anyone be coerced into voting for a candidate believed to be unsuited just to validate someone else's feeling of entitlement?

I'm sure several people will respond just as I am....but here goes, rez:

Try this prediction/nightmare:

On election day, the older generation Obama dissed doesn't vote for him.

The women who have watched Barack Obama use sneaky sexism directed at Hillary Clinton stay home.

The party base, having watched Obama win Red state caucuses by busing in young punks vote McCain.

Having been disgusted by Obama's quasi-religious messianic persona, I stay home.

The result? Obama gets John McCain elected president.

Another generation of young voters has had it proven to them that they need to quit dancing at airports.

McCain inherits the mess that Bush has wrought, takes the blame and is too old to run again.

Obama starts his own church, the Adoration of Joshua.

I think that's what's I was thinking last summer..

Ah, an invite to an Elton John concert. Guess I'll pass--haven't been in NYC since '58; don't expect to make it this year, either.

Bingo Patsi. either way looks bad doesn't it.

I 'm voting for Hillary if she's the nom , but I'm just one vote in a Blue state.

Rez Dog
Could just as easily read:

Try this prediction/nightmare:

On election day, the Hillary/Bill haters on the right and in the middle don't vote for her.

The black folks who have watched Barack Obama viciously attacked? They stay home.

Women who have watched Hillary Clinton viciously attacked? They stay home.

The progressives, having watched Obama win using Republican tactics and not forgiving him for voting for the war after he said he opposed it and for presenting false hope.

Having been disgusted by every aspect of Obama's campaign, I stay home.

The result? Obama gets John McCain elected president.

Another generation of young voters has had it proven to them that all politicians are alike.

McCain inherits the mess that Bush has wrought, takes the blame and is too old to run again.

Obama becomes a discredited, vilified and despised creature." Washed up at 47.

Rez, god, I'm tiredof hearing the thin skinned Obama supporters whine about the kitchen sink strategy - it wasn't much of one. Queston O's ties to Rezko, question his position on his pastor/mentor's divisive views,and point out his thin resume - that's the kitchen sink? Notwithstanding Ping's comments to the contrary (could have been Fry), McCain and the repug 527s will not stop with those criticisms. I hope to hell he can do something other than whine about unfair attacks if he wins the nomination ( which I rate as a 70% chance at this point).

Thanks Pogo..I'll try refresh

Here's part of an email I got from Harold Ford this morning:

Further, we should expand the earned-income tax credit to include more hard-working, low-income Americans; consolidate middle-class tax rates, as my former colleague U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan has proposed; and establish that no U.S. household earning under $100,000 a year would pay more than 10 percent in federal taxes.

New twist on New Deal plan

Most importantly, we must help Tennessee and U.S. homeowners whose homes are being foreclosed upon at an alarming rate. There are 2 million homes nationwide several thousand in Tennessee that have been foreclosed on, mostly by financial service firms that provided adjustable loans. If more families continue to lose their homes, we will face a further drag on our economy and will have increasing difficulty navigating our way out of this crisis.

To avoid the housing crisis, Sen. Chris Dodd and Rep. Barney Frank, along with Princeton economist Alan Blinder, have put forth a proposal that creates a government-backed corporation to buy old mortgages from banks and then issue new, affordable loans to homeowners. The plan largely mirrors what President Franklin Roosevelt accomplished during the Depression with the creation of the Home Owners' Loan Corp. Financed by borrowing from the capital markets and taxpayers, the HOLC granted about 1 million mortgages from 1933 to 1936 and acquired ownership of 200,000 homes due to a 20 percent default rate, but sold them all by 1944 and made a small profit before closing in 1951.

Today's HOLC, as Blinder notes, would not have it as hard because we are not in a depression. Furthermore, there would be appropriate checks and balances placed on what kind of loans could be issued and who would qualify. Those ineligible would include speculators vacation-home owners, and those who were not financially qualified to have bought in the first place. The new HOLC would have reasonable and smart limits on who would qualify.

Pogo,
This was more of a statement (not mine, see link) about the state of affairs in our party; everyone dancing around on oneverone's missteps, while JM dances into the WH.
I'm, just as guilty as most here.

well...
all I can say about the nightmare scenario from both sides of the Dem coin is that the reason McCain will become president is the fault of the voters and not either candidate..... no matter how hard one tries to spin it.....

Thank you Pogo..Refresh solved my problem..Rebellious take note..

OD...
I did it with my last post....
and yes.... it worked....

thanks Pogo!

Rez, and it's not a statement that inaccurately describes one view of the state of the party. I do not believe that this is an inappropriate or necessarily destructive state of affairs for the party. Views to the contrary exist, but the nomination fight is not over, and barring an Obama victory in PA or in whatever do-overs happen in FL & MI, it won't likely be over before the convention. This is politics, and the campaigns will conduct political campaigns, as they should, until one or the other is nominated. McCain will go around trying to look presidential (maybe even without the flak jacket this time when he visits the Baghdad market to gyp the vendors), and the news will focus on Clinton and Obama. And who was it who said there is no such thing as bad publicity? It was an overstatement, but being in the news is better than being out of it - and the continued primary contests will keep Clinton and Obama there while McCain will have trouble drawing flies,much less press.

Mar 16, 9:10 PM EDT

Obama, Clinton teams trade barbs

By TOM RAUM
Associated Press Writer

No wonder the war in eyerack goes on. They can't even honor their own cease fire.

"the creation of the Home Owners' Loan Corp. Financed by borrowing from the capital markets and taxpayers,"

Patsi,

Last night when the Bears S news hit I commented that the Gov't subsidy of the deal appeared to me to be the start of a nationalization of the housing market.
BushCo doesn't have a probably financing his private sector buddies, but would shy away from the creation of a new fed program like HOLC, imo.
More reason to win the WH and more seats in both houses.

OD & RR, amazing what that little button does, no? Renee, your 1:31 post is exactly right.

I second that emotion, Pogo.

Something I found interesting the last couple of days is the total lack of defense by the Obama folks on the Trinity church issue.
I guess they must be shocked and are hoping it will go away.
Jack

At the rate the economy is unravelling , the war in Iraq will be just plain unaffordable.
Lehman Brother seems to be going the way of Bearn Stearns.
I recommend Bush for Mt. Rushmore.

Rez, we see eye-to-eye on many issues, and I predict we will be backing the same horse in Nov.

George
have you got a link on the Lehman Brs.
The Iraq war always was unaffordable it is just becoming obvious now.

Is the Mt. Rushmore recommendation for on it or under it?
And if on, just how were you planning on displaying him?

Jack

1. The only thing I can see mixing with Guiness is a shot of Jameson to make an Irish Car Bomb...otherwise I agree that a wine would be better to make the stew from and the Guiness should be the drink with the stew.

2. I implore anyone with a sense of humor to go to salon to check out the series of Opus comics.

http://www.salon.com/comics/opus/2008/03/16/opus/

3. McCain following Cheney to Iraq will not be a good thing for him. Doing the world tour will only highlight the fact that he has no clue how to manage the economy. Meaning that when the Democrats totally fuck up this election, their level of incompetence and stupidity will be rivaled only by the Polish Cavalry who thought they could stop Nazi tanks on horseback...

Patsi,

"Adoration of Joshua"

ROFL

Hey George, what's up?

Gallup March 17

Clinton 47 Obama 45

Patsi:

People have been making these same arguments against the Clintons for years. Now the Clintons are surely jumping all over Obama's weaknesses - indeed going so far as to suggest that he is not ready to be Commander in Chief (of course through commericals instead of debates).

So why the hell wouldn't Obama repeat the arguments below against the Clintons when he is competing for the nomination:

* "Disingenuous"
* "Too polarizing to win"
* 'Divisive'
* "Untruthful"
* "Dishonest"
* 'Calculating'
* "Saying and doing whatever it takes to win"
* "Attempting to deceive the American people"
* "One of the most secretive politicians in America"
* "Literally willing to do anything to win"

One of my own practices in supporting Obama and taking on the Clintons - is to try to limit my attacks to those that have been already launched against HRC by the GOP - rather than coming up with new material.

Wendy:

It is tough to find SUBSTANCE - we you are only looking for opposition research.

Try reading his book. How bout you watch a few of the 20 debates we have seen?

And just acknowledge the fact that you will always see Obama in a bad light as long as this fight is still going on.

The same goes for me about HRC.

Warren..Why don't you mind your own business and let real Democrats choose their nominee.

Also, you seem to be the direct opposite of the supposed New Politics of Senator Obama..Your postings indicate you really don't undersand the speeches of your candidate.

Perhaps you are feeling threatened by the imploding Obama campaign..

One of my own practices in supporting Obama and taking on the Clintons - is to try to limit my attacks to those that have been already launched against HRC by the GOP - rather than coming up with new material.

Posted by: warren |

Why not come up with factual material.

link to the Opus cartoons

http://dir.salon.com/topics/berkeley_breathed/

Jack

Warren:

you're mistaken...you don't know what kind of research I've been doing

I don't care what Obama thinks of HIMSELF...it's clear what he thinks of HIMSELF

I want to know what other's think of him. The people he's worked with and for. I find absolutely 0 when I try to find people who talk about what a real difference he's made in their lives.

I find lukewarm information when it comes to people that have worked with him. State Senators on the Democratic side who say he's taken credit for work they've done and Republican senators who say he never took a bold stand. You would think that a guy who says he can work across the aisle would have better reviews from the people he's worked with.

But I'll keep doing my Obama google news search and see what pops up...so far nothing...

"since his supporters here are never willing to post anything of real substance."

Bullshit Wendy.

In fact, the Clinton supporters spend most of their time on here attacking Obama - as opposed to talking up the merits of HRC (well, that is if you don't count throwing around the words "experience" and "ready on day one" ad nauseum).

It is going to take more this year people. We don't pick Presidents solely based on their resumes. (and if we did - HRC and Obama would lose to McCain).

You people tend to think the case of HRC is made - and all that's left to do is trash Obama. Well outside of Hillaryland - that ain't the case. So I suggest working on HRC's own message.

"Perhaps you are feeling threatened by the imploding Obama campaign.."

I was thinking the same...

ok ok writing paper now...

O.D.

I agree with Warren's sentiments and I am a Democrat. You are just demonstrating the intransigence that has settled into this race. Obama has tried to remain positive and unfortunately he underestimated the venom with which his opponents would come after him.

I will keep saying this until I am blue in the face that if Hillary did this at the start of the race, she would have been more successful and would be better equipped to stitch back together the feelings of the people she is shitting on to claw ahead.

No matter what, most Democrats will fall in line behind her, but don't expect the people who were truly energized by the Obama campaign to fall in line for her when they perceive her campaign to be less about hope and more about personal ambition.

A lot of young voters are looking at having to live the next 50 years of their lives with the mess that Bush has created and they are identifying with the candidate who is willing to speak directly to them. They feel that Clinton and McCain has ignored them.

Wendy:

Why don't you check out what Cass Sunstein has to say:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0314obamamar14,0,7185898.story

Some amusing distractions with in the Missouri Republican party. Seems like the libertarian Republicans are trying to take back the party

"Ron Paul supporters control Republican county conventions"
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/10514

Jack

I saw today's financial news late last night. I was listening to the Euro Squawk Box or something on CNBC. I listened for a while today, & they sound hysterical. Stocks are sliding, particularly Big Banking and Tech, again. The whole thing's a mess, and Europe is concerned about their unemployment rate in the near future and how badly that'll impact the world markets. The dollar continues to drop & Bernake lowered interest rates another 25 basis points. Apparently he's going to lower them again tomorrow or Wednesday another 50 to 100 basis points. Instinct tells me that's not the thing to do.

The BIG problem with lowering the prime interest rate is that the Big Banks are still piggy and NOT passing this down to the consumer. A big problem. Someone should do something about THAT. I'm trying to sort this out to preserve what little I've got toward retirement that I can still shift around. But where to shift it? Out of stocks for sure.

ACK!

tt

Btw, OD - I get where Obama is coming from. And I realize he is not willing to be as vicious as I am on this blog.

But the Replublicans will be - and so will the media.

So it is better you hear this stuff now.

Plus, anyone who has seen my posts - understand that like Obama - I am at my most harsh when I am on the defensive. In other words - take a shot at me or Obama - and I am going to give you a shot right back.

But except for the first few days I was here - I don't come here looking to pick a fight. And I can't say the same about SOME Clinton supporters.

Oh, btw, what I said about McCain and the flak jacket - forget it - he's wearing one in Iraq. Nice that it's so safe and peaceful there. Hope he gets a good deal on a rug.

Bear..

Obama has tried to remain positive..You must be kidding. The rhetoric says be positive, but the campaign, as exemplified by people like David Axelrod ,has been vicious.

I suggest you not buy into the false patina of the Barack campaign. His carefully crafted veneer is beginning to crack and I fully expect as this happens, the attacks from Obamaland will only increase.

Interesting article on McCain and the Latino vote.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/30571.html

Jack

OD:

Well every talking head I see on the media talks about the attacks coming from the Clinton campaign.

Ohh - I forgot - we discount EVERYTHING negative the media says about HRC cause they are biased. Fair enough (I guess).

I will say this though - I did not think either advocate was very effective on MTP.

Probably because it is tough for either side to look convincing when they are at each other's throats.

I do agree - Bradley would have been more convincing if he stayed more positive. But Bill Bradley is NOT Barack Obama.

ben affleck should stick to what he knows best' acting
oh wait a minute'' never mind

Posted by: mqw | March 17, 2008 11:43 AM

Hey he was great in Armageddon! And in everything else, he's still eye candy.

He was also good in "Dogma" and "Good Will Hunting" - but he does not do well when playing any character that is not essentially "Ben Affleck"

O.D.

All I said is that the candidate has tried to remain positive. That is the perception among the younger voters I speak to. While I won't call your reply vicious, I think your "attack" style

I keep saying that the holier than thou attitude is killing Clinton's campaign. Obama may be the biggest retard in the world, but he appears humbly before people and that is enough to sway voters. These candidates are salesmen. Selling to emotion is the easiest way to make a sale. You can have the best product in the world, but if you can't explain to a client why it is the best to justify the higher cost, people won't buy it.

"the last couple of days is the total lack of defense by the Obama folks on the Trinity church issue. "-Whskyjack

Jack,

Most of this discussion lead to more racial divisiveness, which I believe is not a good road to go down, particularly here. Something I don't think BO set out to do as a campaign theme.

Michelle Norris (NPR) was on MTP talking about Wright's "black truth" comments and his speaking to the black community. None of the other panelists (white men) dared down that path. My guess is because it's foreign to them just as it is to most of white America. I read elsewhere that it's hard for most citizens to understand that some of his comments don't suggest blacks don't love their country, but its' just America hasn't always loved them. I can appreciate that being American Indian. Similarly, we don't celebrate Columbus day :) That may be seem unpatriotic to some but makes common sense to me. I go on with the many of America's transgression here and abroad, but not any value in it.

For those already sampling your beer.
A little fiddle music for you to jig to.

http://www.eldersmusic.com/video/turnpike_video.html

And yes, Jack can keep up with the fiddler. Although the feet fly there a bit at the end.

Jack

Bear..My point is YES Barack appears positive much of the time..But, the appearance is blatantly false.

I don't agree that he is doing a better job of selling the message. Hillary leads him in the Gallup tracking,by 16 points in Pennsylvania and leads McCain by double digits in Arkansas while Obama trails by double digits.

You can make a quici sale with a false premise, but time is Hillary's friend as substance will prevail over
a slick advertising campaign.

Have a nice day..Off to Portland for a good Japanese lunch and Hillary sign-holding during rush hour..

Rezdog,

You sound pretty ungrateful for not celebrating Columbus Day. If word gets out, there will be a push to nationalize the Indian Casinos as retribution...

Now I wonder if the US Army used the tears of Cherokees to waterboard them on the Trail of Tears...

OD:

Please stop with the stat about Arkansas. I can't think of a poll that would tell me less about HRC's actual chances in the general election.

(talk about slick advertising)

Btw, have a nice lunch.

Obama made the rounds of the tvnews shows on Friday. I think his campaign has made an aggressive effort.

They busted Bill Kristol and made the NYTIMES look bad again. Kristol should have at least googled the date on question.

Trintiy Church and the United Church of Christ has now mounted a defense for Rev Wright. Since Obama has distanced himself he is not in a position to say much more.

In the rush to make it a black experience which whites do not understand, let's not forget Ihis remarks about the Clinton, racially division and political. And the most recent of the offensive remarks.

"If word gets out, there will be a push to nationalize the Indian Casinos as retribution"

Bear,
Don't discount that it's not in the works.:)

Democrats should not be personally attacking Democrats. Unless its someone like Judas Lieberman who is not running for anything.

Anon posted it.

Ironically I had this thought that McCain would chose Liberman as his running mate. Thoughts?

Warren..thanks for the comment about a nice lunch..

My point is that Hillary is polling well in red states such as Arkansas and Tennessee..These could be critical in November..Ask Al Gore..

Also,,the reason Hillary polls so well in Ark. is they know her well..that exemplifies why time is her best friend in this campaign.

Rez, I can'timagine that you don't celebrate Columbus day -he never came here - really, he was certain that he had found the West Indies. Just because he abused the natives he found on the Bahamas, demonstrated that by sailing west Europeans would run into a land mass, which set up the European invasion, occupation, and ultimately the forceful usurpation of the lands of all native Americans, you feel his day shouldn't be celebrated? What is wrong with you, man? I hope you at least take the day off. :-)

I was watching Hillary's speech on cnn and they only showed 5 min.so I switched to c-span to watch all of it.Was full of substance.Msnbc not saying much about Wright, just That Obama responded well.But still attacking Hillary over GF.Mikka just poo-poo's anything negative about BO.The only channel covering it is Fox{even if I have to hold my nose to watch that channel.New polls show McC leading both dems.Dem party split down the middle.And I am also one of those who could never vote for OB.He's just another version of GW

What do these people all have in common

Black/African Americans
Native Americans
Japanese Americans
Female Americans
Hispanic Americans of non Cuban descent.?

Rezdog,
Don't blame Columbus, it was the Spaniards. The Conquistadors.

If Columbus day was an excuse to drink like St. Patrick's day or Cinco de Mayo, we'd all be Italian for a day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS6-b7CONDI

Pogo,

DW and I have a few beers at the casino. :)

OD,

Have fun at lunch...don't eat the quiche!

After the fast fiddling
Some slow harmonies
http://www.eldersmusic.com/video/menoferin_video.html
Arse kickin' music from the heartland

BTW if you live in Iowa you can see the Elders tonight, it would be worth the drive.

http://www.eldersmusic.com

Jack

OD, have a good time sign holding, and a good lunch (remember to put your shoes back on before you leave the restaurant) - do a good job out there, please. And please spare us the PA,OH and FL numbers - what could those possibly have to do with winning the election in Nov.?

Rez - hope you don't (or do, if you prefer) get too crazy on the firewater (beer isn't really firewater,is it?) - and don't spend to much money you don't have on black, or red as the case may be. That sort of stuff can get you in trouble. :-) btw, when is Columbus day? Mid October? I don't like to leave these things to the last minute.

OD:

Why does Obama poll well in IL? If you lose your home state - you've got issues.

With Arkansas as the obvious exception (and Tenn, which is a border stat) - HRC has had a tough time against Obama in the South - and I don't see why she would do any better against McCain.

Just ask Patsi about the Southern Strategy...

I'm sure several people will respond just as I am....but here goes, rez:

Try this prediction/nightmare:

On election day, the older generation Obama dissed doesn't vote for him.

The women who have watched Barack Obama use sneaky sexism directed at Hillary Clinton stay home.

The party base, having watched Obama win Red state caucuses by busing in young punks vote McCain.

Having been disgusted by Obama's quasi-religious messianic persona, I stay home.

The result? Obama gets John McCain elected president.

Another generation of young voters has had it proven to them that they need to quit dancing at airports.

McCain inherits the mess that Bush has wrought, takes the blame and is too old to run again.

Obama starts his own church, the Adoration of Joshua.
Posted by: Patsi | March 17, 2008 1:12 PM

Excellent Patsi... why don't you post it on Huff?

Good lord, Ruth, can't you see the difference between the GF and the Wright scenarios? GF was on the Finance committee of Hillary's campaign and is a woman who was talking about gender issues, who quit the Clinton campaign after people complained about her comments. Wright is on the spiritual advisory committee of the Obama campaign and is a black man talking about racial issues, who (I think) quit the Obama campaign after people complained about his comments.. Geez - it is so clear to me why it is fair to pillory Hillary (has a nice alliterative ring, doesn't it?) over GF's comments but it is unfair to criticize Obama for Wrights. You see that, don't you? Don't you? :-{)

But except for the first few days I was here - I don't come here looking to pick a fight. And I can't say the same about SOME Clinton supporters.

Posted by: warren | March 17, 2008 2:30 PM

Warren, I compliment you for the change. The first few days you were insufferable, but we saw the person behind the angry rhetoric... I am exhausted now, literally, and I know when I am tired I tend to blow up... none of us is perfect.

Almost 8:30 pm and I am ready for bed...

But the point is, I think you are a decent person... and for an attorney that's saying something!!!

You know the old joke... "why don't sharks attack lawyers who are in the water?"

answer: "professional courtesy"...

My apologies also to Mr. Pogo.

ET

"Michelle Norris (NPR) was on MTP talking about Wright's "black truth" comments "

Rez, This is what I was talking about a few days ago. Sen Obama had a chance to speak honestly about the goals of his church, the community it creates, the good done in the community by focusing perceived grievances and all the self help programs within the various ministries.

He didn't do that. He fudged the issue, hemmed and hawed, did an almost unseen huffington post article, threw the reverend under the bus while claiming not to know something that he must have been aware of over the last 20 years, and just today sending out spokespeople to handle the issue honestly ... IOW, he is doing the right thing several days late after a lot of CYA. Not to good an example of his superior "judgement".

I think Ferraros comments were a precursor to the Wright thing.

She represented a district that didn't like blacks moving into their neighborhoods. First you point out that Obama is black, then you start showing video of a scary black man...lol

Did I hear correctly that Rev. Wright is a veteran of the US Marine Corp? I guess he hated America enough to enlist instead of dodging the draft...

Rez do you know Gary Galbreath? I remember reading you prefer to be called American Indian and Gary was into "indigenous peoples"... anyway one of my favourite teachers was Gail Tremblay... She really was an awesome teacher... angry as all get out, but when you got past the anger you saw a beautiful soul...

Christopher Columbus' real name was Christopher Colombo. He was from Italy. His home is still there in Genova Italy... I celebrate Columbus day simply to enjoy a free day... well not anymore, but when I lived in the states. I am rambling...

An interesting comment about the Bear Sterns takeover.
http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/hero-of-wall-street

Jack

HRC saying "we cannot win" Iraq. Bad quote for the general election:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080317/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc

And Samantha Power said - in sum and substance - that no candidate can "guarantee" any war plan discussed on the campaign trail because of course the facts on the ground must be taken into consideration. And no one can know what Iraq will look like next year. That is a solid position - and the type of nuance that will be necessary to win the general.

tt

The recommendations for the time being is into cash even with the low interest rates. There are some bargain hunting possiblities in the market as long as you stay away from the financial and manufacturing sectors. Apple is going gangbusters but it is probably too late to jump on that one - should have bought it the day VISTA was released. :) There are some good "green" funds. but be careful out there.

Just when you think MSNBC cannot go any lower Contessa Brewer has a moronic interview with the owner of the Bunny Ranch.
Does MSNBC understand the difference between politics and porno?

I am not interested in this prostitute that had sex with former Gov. Spitzer, her profiting of it etc. It's pure tabloid garbage! There are many mother's like me that are trying to raise our daughters with morals and ethics. It is a very difficult job for a parent and MSNBC does not make it easier by exploiting pure garbage as news.

ughhhhhhhhh!

--Heather

Jamie,

It was most important for him to address the topic the media was hammering him on and not the background and history of his church.

I was trying to inform myself by reading several different sources of this subject. Most of whom came to the conclusion that "white" America wouldn't understand it anyway Norris implied. Why go in the weeds with it? Also I came away with a better understanding myself because it struck home with me personally and many of the comments I read made complete sense. Although I 'm still not agreeing on the tone and temper of it.

"Cherokees to waterboard them on the Trail of Tears..."

My great grandmother didn't like that hike. Seems the guys conducting the tour lied about the scenic destination.

Hillary may not do any better against McCain in the southern states, but certainly not because McCain can count on the same demographic groups that Obama drew on to beat Clinton in AL, GA, LA, MS & SC. Compare the demos of dem primary voters in the southern swath states versus TN and it will explain his wins against Clinton and why he can't count on doing the sam eagainst McCain.

ET,

No se on Gary. Gail's retired now.
Folks in these parts prefer the use of "Native" or "Native American," I think that's the feds preferred terminology, at least when I last working for you ;)

Rezdog

It was important. The problem was that he didn't do it when he should have. Doesn't say much for his instincts. Supposedly he claims wonderful things for himself as a "community organizer". A central component of that work was probably the church.

He could have disassociated from the more inflammatory outakes being broadcast while educating the general public about the importance of the black church and the power of the preaching that sometimes goes over the edge but has a definite goal of improving the lives of their congregants and the community.

Now if he wants to send me orchestra seat tickets to the next performance of the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater, I might forgive him. :-)

http://www.alvinailey.org/page.php?p=main&v=4&sec=aaadt)

It looks like McGreevy is jealous he lost his title to Spitzer...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23677739/

Rez
Good points
I guess what brought on the question, was the fact that there are several defences that nobody has used.
I was waiting for some Obama supporter to point out the obvious.
Nobody did that I saw.

First, none of us have seen the full sermon that I know of. We have only seen the hatchet jobs that have been posted to Youtube.
Reverend Wright is famous for using controverial statements as a hook in his sermons but he is also well know for preaching a message of inclusiveness.

He strongly believes in social justice and will attack what he believes to be unjust regardless of who it may make uncomfortable.

His church has done impressive things in the community

This is a classic Republican racist attack campaign, right down to passing it to someone in ABC news(?) who didn't even do their own editing of the clips but took those that were given them and ran with it.

I've seen none of those points made by either Obama or his followers

Why?
They look like obvious points to be made to me.

Jack

Warren:

Regarding the 2:22 pm link you posted. I actually had read that when I first saw it a couple of days ago thinking...here is something.

But alas after a brief - he's a good listener...she broke into his talking points.

The entire second half of the article said...and yes...I'm paraphrasing...he hasn't done anything yet but he has good plans for doing x, y, and z (some I think lifted right from his Web site).

In the end...the article...while promising on its face lacked the substance his campaign lacks...nice try though.

Earlier today idiotic MSNBC had a segment called "blog wars" I just wanted to relate experiences I had. Many times I had commented @ Washington Post's online commentary section. As always I am very open and honest in my opinions and did not conceal the fact I was a Hillary supporter and as a result I suffered tremendously for it. Now I no longer will comment there, its futile to do so.

I was the victim of all sorts of verbal abuse, curse words I never knew existed, I was stupid moronic, naïve ignorant and that was the mild stuff.

They were not interested in intellectual discourse of politics, It was pure emotional hate. Most of it from liberal democats behaving like the GOP war machine with anyone that was critical of Obama and supported Sen. Hillary Clinton.

I would have thought better of the Washington Post. I belive in free speech but not when it is abused.

--Heather

Jamie, Apple has stabilized over the past couple of months after a 75 point drop (1/3 of it's value) to 130 now in the first 6 weeks of the year after gaining from 89 or so to 202 over the last 8 months of '07. I wouldn't say it's too late to gamble that it will go back up, but Vista and I-phone haven't helped it lately. It Is 50% higher than it was a year ago, but it's a pretty volatile stock whose price is dependent on the success of its last shiny thing. As they say, caveat emptor.

http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/nyt-com/html-companyprofile.asp

Me, I'd look at gold (other metals, precios or not), wheat futures or the Euro - but I'm a lawyer, not an analyst, and have terrible luck with this stuff.

Jack -- wonder if that Ron Paul uprising in Missouri is the beginning of something bigger....

Heather:

Is is also good not to completely hide the "underbelly of society" from kids.

I always noticed - that the some of people who really went of the deep end at college in terms of drugs, sex and rock & roll - were the ones who were sheltered from all this when they were younger.

(FYI - this is not any comment specific to the way you are raising your daughter - because I have no idea - and I am sure she will turn out to be wonderful since you seem like a pretty smart lady).

Bear regarding your 3:15 post

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/mccains-head-start.html#comment-53479

I would answer me...but I don't fit into 2 of the categories.

:-D

Whatever Wendy...

btw, Cass is a guy (don't be such as sexist ; )

Pogo - your 3:36 post...I think I might have to go to the bathroom I'm laughing so hard

Iraqis greet VP Cheney's surprise visit with a bang.

Well, the NYTimes headlined it more elegantly:
Suicide Blast in Iraq Eclipses Cheney’s Visit

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/world/middleeast/18iraq.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

And it was a female suicide bomber, taking another 40+ lives.

From NYTimes: If the Iraqi police account of the bomber’s gender is confirmed, it would be one of the most devastating suicide bombings carried out by a woman. The number of female suicide bombers has increased recently, facilitated by Muslim customs that do not allow males to touch women. The customs enable the bombers to elude security checkpoints because women are not searched.

And in a religious center like Karbala, most women wear a flowing head-to-toe black overgarment, known as an abaya, that provides an easy way to conceal an explosive vest or belt.

=======
VP Cheney "met with Iraqi and American leaders and extolled what he described as “phenomenal” security improvements in the country."

Phenomenal, I tell you.

Thank You for your kind compliment Warren.
To a certain extent you are correct and I educate her un the seamy side of society. My point is that MSNBC should not glorify it in a positive image.

I allow my daughter to see it, I just counsel her as she watches it as any proper mother should dowith her daughter.

Sincerely.
Heather

Heather:

"I was the victim of all sorts of verbal abuse, curse words I never knew existed, I was stupid moronic, naïve ignorant and that was the mild stuff."

Welcome to my world. Enemy territory is always unforgiving...

Warren:

hahahaha - sorry - boy or girl...still o's talking points.

"Just ask Patsi about the Southern Strategy..."

Yeah, ask about states rights...and all that jazz....

Pogo

Gold is over a 1,000. Nice security but that high with the fees make it difficult. Euro is looking good though again earlier would have been better (bad thing about hind site). The Canadian Looney is nearby. Maybe you could just slip across the border, go shopping, and bring home the change.

Futures usually should be left to the experts unless you jump right on some disaster that is bound to send up the price. The Iraq war has done wonderful things for pistaccios. :-)

i apologize for typos, moofies are ot today lol

--Heather

"Social Security number to decide when tax rebate check issued

[snip]

the IRS announced on Monday that tax rebate checks will be issued according to a schedule that’s based on the last two-digits of your Social Security number.

[snip]

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080317/COL07/80317039&imw=Y

Yep, I'm all about finances.

tt

"They were not interested in intellectual discourse of politics, It was pure emotional hate."

Heather -- I'm seeig that response from women all over the blog world. They are attacked on terms of gender often....and a lot of it's coming from young male Obama supporters.

Wendy!, I don't understand what you think is funny about my 3:36 post :-{) It is a serious analysis of the differences of those two situations and the distinctions between the respective criticisms of the campaigns over the comments of those folks. Or not.:-)

warren, not all of us who went off the deep end wrtsex,drugs and Rock &roll were sheltered or naive - regardless of what our parents thought.

Heather

The same thing happened to me at Talking Points Memo just prior to my finding this group.

Even though we have our little squabbles...Craig's blog can certainly be held up as an example of what this all started out to be.

I think other bloggers and blog worlds have become the thing they started out as a reaction to - corporate run media with a narrow agenda. Now you have progressive run media with a narrow agenda. What happened to the guys that wanted to get behind story, tell the whole story, expose the truth.

I'm actually considering changing my masters thesis topic from looking at the disappearing author and database narrative to looking at political blogs from their historical grassroots beginnings, as I said above, reacting to corporate run agenda driven media, to their own version of that today. The real question will be...what do they evolve into after this is all over. Do they go back to the kind of investigation and uncovering of news they used to do OR continue their evolution into something less interesting like cable news...since I don't have to finish my thesis till 2010...I have plenty of time to watch the evolution.

"McCaskill to tout 'stimulus checks' during visit to K.C. on Wednesday"
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/10519

Aiee, My Senator, Clair McCaskill is a maroon
She is vistiting the local food pantry distributors to talk about the economic stymulus bill recently passed.

Jack

Wendy:

Did you ever stop to think that those may not JUST be "talking points."

Perhaps Obama - who wrote a whole book on this subject years before this campaign - actually means what he says?!?

(I suppose you are right as always - and I am just a naive babe in the woods. The Audacity of Hope was probably ghost writtten for him by someone who started planning this sinister campaign many years ago....maybe one day I will be as all-knowing as you ; )

jamie, like I said, I'm a lawyer, not an analyst. If I really did well with investing, I'd be retired by now. But no, I took Col.O'Hara's advice to Katie Scarlett and invested in "the land". Not looking so damned smart right now.

Pogo:

You know I love you more than my luggage

;-)

Wendy,

All were screwed over by white american males.

Trust me pogo - I know. Some of US were just born for that type of lifestyle!!

Warren:

I have never seen anyone here cuss at you or verbally attack you.

Many have strongly disagreed with you...but I've never seen you abused.

I could be wrong . . . so you can correct me with a link to a post where you were personally verbally attacked or cussed at here.

"Rez -Good points- I guess what brought on the question, was the fact that there are several defences that nobody has used."-Whskyjack

Jack,

I did see the MTP discussion with Norris, but most everthing else I picked up just informing myself on the net. To bad we only get (MSM) the sensational info on such important topics.
I knew nothing of Wright prior to this recent news burst and have very limited experience in the various religious denominations. Hell, I've never been to a Baptist service except for a funeral, or a wedding or two. I'd probably be shocked to visit a Trinity sermon. lol
After reading up I found a lot of commonality with his comments, especially, as I remember growing up in the 60-70s and being different.

Tonight is the premier of “Race to the White House” with David Gregory. The way I it has been promoted it has more to do with NBC Universal promoting David Gregory; honestly, I do not know if he can sustain a daily show, I am curious as to what his television “Q” ratings are.
In any event, I will tune in and watch it. With his height, he will need a special desk and chair. I have heard rumors he is like 6’9’’ if so that was granddad’s height, and I thought I was tall @ 6’0’’ With him I’d need High Heels then again I’ll sick with my Nikes :-)

Wendy!, I didn't know you cared THAT much. LOL

Warren - and miss it.

Bye, all, gotta go

Warren:

I have stopped and thought about a lot of this and I still think they are talking points.

He has never lived any of it.

He gets elected to office...someone puts his name on a piece of legislation someone else did all the hard work on or he tacks his name onto a piece of legislation with someone else...IT passes and then he runs on that for the next office.

Other than that...I don't see him living those words. He goes around the country regurgitating all of that for his Presidential campaign...but there is nothing in his history to show he's actually ever done anything for anybody that made a real difference in their lives.

Perhaps some student will write an op-ed to say his letter of recommendation helped them get a plum clerkship job...but so far not even that I've been able to find.

So yes...I've done a lot of stopping and thinking...but i've heard only talking and found no evidence of anything else.

Bear

true enough

Wow...and I'm in 3 of those groups...yikes- I have it worse than I thought.

Okay, Start your watches. How long will it take for Tweety to say something bad about Hillary?

Heather -- David Gregory is waaayy better than Tucker. He's also cute for a tall guy. As an anchor, David had a charming nervousness after taking a spin in the morning slot after Imus was deposed. He can dance too.

But I really wish someone would give Craig a show of his own. I would watch that daily. Who do we write?

LOL Jamie :-)

--Heather

2:03. Three minutes. THEIR poll has Obama over Clinton: 52/45 with the qualifier (other polls say different - snark). He is such a pig.

Gallup Clinton over Obama 47/45
NBC Clinton over Obama 47/43

Wow - as hard as Matthews tries - Jim Cramer won't let him.

Warren turn on MSNBC r u listening to the economy expert say that Hillary is smarter than Obama

:-D

Dear Divalicias:
I second that!
Craig is a natural for television I love his southern charm and teriffic sense of humor and his gorgeous "Clark Kent" good looks!

I think any woman here would play Lois Lane To his Clark Kent lol

Hey Craig no blushing allowed in journalism! :-)

Sincerely,
Heather

hahaha

he's laughing at Barack Obama

this guy is hilarious.

hahaha

did you see Matthews stop him because he was picking on obama?

Jim Cramer just slammed Senator Obama and said Clinton has "very sophisticated, knowledgeable economic plans".

" took Col.O'Hara's advice to Katie Scarlett and invested in "the land". Not looking so damned smart right now"

They aren't making any more of it. The value always goes up over the long haul. Of course, it might be your grandchildren that gets to buy all the goodies. :-)

"And probably what’s true is because I haven’t been in Washington as long as Senator Clinton or others that I have not distanced myself from these people for as long a period of time as somebody more steeped in Washington politics might have."

What the heck is Obama trying to say here?

sorry...I don't know where the original interview is - this is where I found comments on it

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/obama_i_didnt_distance_myself.php

even they seem to be confused ROFL - and they're his biggest fans.

OMG Breaking news!

Chris Will release Power Rankings @ 7 pm edition of Hardball. What are the odds he will pick Obama No 1

i say 1-9 odds
lol
--Heather

Heather,

Since you are new to this blog, I will make you aware of our rule on typos...

If you have more than 10 typos on the same thread, you are required to each person in who can prove 2 years residence on this blog, a bottle of Petron tequilla. I love me some gold Petron btw...;op

Wendy - you don't have to cuss at someone to be rude.

This is a false distinction uppity people use so they can freely insult the unsophisticated (and then castigate thesr people when they respond in the only way they know how).

I don't mind cuss words (hell - my mom even cusses like a truck driver!).

And don't trouble yourself with looking back through the posts - Clintonites are of course always perfect, informed and always right - it is us people who support Obama that are mean, nasty and stupid.

Didn't take putz Matthews long to bash Hillary hey Chris maybe what you call "Old Style Politics" may actually work. Just a thought Chris!
--Heather

LOL Bear!!!!!
anything to please!
--Heather

EuroTom, sorry to bite your style but...

I'm sure several people will respond just as I am....but here goes, rez:

Try this prediction/nightmare:

On election day, the YOUNGER generation Clinton dissed doesn't vote for him.

The BLACK VOTERS whom have watched Hillary Clinton use sneaky racialisms directed at Barrack Obama stay home.

The party base, having watched CliNTon win BLUE STATE PRIMARIES by refusing to admit her war vote was a mistake vote Nader.

Having been disgusted by Clitnon's quasi-experienced messianic persona, I vote for either Craig Crawford or Bill the Cat and Opus

The result? Clinton gets John McCain elected president.

Another generation of young voters has had it proven to them that they need to quit dancing at airports.

McCain inherits the mess that Bush has wrought, takes the blame and is too old to run again.

Clinton starts her own lobbying firm, the Hear me Roar

Ten straight minutes of Hillary bashing by Chris!
Any doubt MSNBC is in the tank for Sen Obama? LOL

Calgon take me awayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

--Heather

"did you see Matthews stop him because he was picking on obama?"

ROFL! Yes....Mathews was practically frothing. Cramer may not be invited back soon.

Wendy:

How bout Obama's voter registration efforts in Chicago
(of course after this primary - you may not think registering new voters "helps" anyone - hah!!).

Anyways, from Obama himself:

"n the end, we made a real difference in Illinois. Our team registered more than 150,000 new voters, not only impacting local elections, but helping to shift the balance in state and national races as well. Illinois went from voting Republican in 1988 to Democratic in 1992."

They are both from Philly so they will continue to be buddies. Chris can't handle another strong personality though...

If you go on the Cramer page on CNBC, you make be able to find video of his interview with Hillary a couple of weeks back...

I think the interview link is here

http://maddmoney.blogspot.com/2008/02/jim-cramer-hillary-clinton-interview.html

This is funny btw...http://www.cnbc.com/id/23631954/site/14081545/?photo=11

Obama to make major speech tomorrow, possibly in Philadelphia, on race relations. Will address Rev. Wright's sermons.

Per Ben Smith of Politico:

"Barack Obama will give a major speech on "the larger issue of race in this campaign," he told reporters in Monaca, PA just now.

He was pressed there, as he has been at recent appearances, on statements by his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright.

"I am going to be talking about not just Reverend Wright, but the larger issue of race in this campaign," he said.

He added that he would "talk about how some of these issues are perceived from within the black church issue for example," he said."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Obama_plans_major_race_speech_tomorrow.html

That may be why he did not appear on Fox News; he wanted to address the questions raised more fully, in a forum he can control.

"Clintonites are of course always perfect, informed and always right - it is us people who support Obama that are mean, nasty and stupid."

Warren...your words...not mine.

OK Warren - I'll give you that one - voter registration is important.

We can add a + 1 to his accomplishments list (up to 3 now I think)

but you have to do a -1 because of his disenfranchisement of voters in FL and MI. And don't give me the old story about rules...they are trying to find a way to make those votes count and Obama campaign is stalling so he's to blame.

So back down to 2 then.

Dog,

It's a good thing he is finally getting around to it.

" in a forum he can control. " We know from the press conference that he doesn't like forums he can't control.

Interesting that he can't just address the issue --- has to wait until someone writes him a speech so he doesn't stick his foot in it...again...like he did the other night on TV

By the time it's over I'm sure he will have completed deflected all responsibility from himself and they'll be reporting on MSNBC that Hillary Clinton has just been elected the national director of the KKK.

:The BLACK VOTERS whom have watched Hillary Clinton use sneaky racialisms directed at Barrack Obama stay home."

That crap is really starting to make me sick. Everytime you cry racism on meaningless comments, you truly are trying to turn your guy into an affirmative action candidate. YOU and the media are the ones marginalizing him.

That Ferraro comment is a perfect example of it. Barack has said the VERY same thing -- that his race helped propel him to prominence, get him a book deal and garner attention in the senate. And I'm kind of pissed on Jesse Jackson's behalf that commentators are acting like any comparison to between Obama and him is like comparing JFK to Pol Pot.

It really disturbs me that these white men on televisiion are so afraid of race as a subject that they dance around it. Talk about marginalizing an issue!

No, the forum is important, because I don't think his answer is going to be a soundbite. Complicated issues deserve more time.

Hillary is renowned for not being available to press on her campaign trips. She's lightened up a little recently, but she also controls her forums to the extent possible.

Every comment does not need a snark back.

Also interesting how Dog is now trying to silence the observations of the Clinton supporters. Too bad...I thought we decided this wasn't Daily Kos or Talking Points Memo.

Wendy: he writes more of his speeches than you will acknowledge.

Afternoon peeps, more of the usual I see!

Dog

That is a common but incorrect perception. In fact it is Obama who has not been available to the media and whose campaign does not take questions. Even Jane Hamsher at Firedoglake noted it.

CNN has just announced that there will be No primary revote in Florida. fini no danada

It will be left up to the candidates to do something, and we know BO has fought it. He definitely does not want a revote, or anything for FLorida to count..

"Headline News :: U.S News :: Obama on the Hot Seat As Mr. Obama’s press conferences are relatively rare and often brief affairs, "

"All traveling campaigns have a bubble-like quality, but Obama seems unusually insulated. One moment of absurdity came Tuesday, when reporters on the press bus were asked to dial into a conference call in which Obama announced a congressman's endorsement -- even though the candidate was nearby and just as easily could have delivered the news in person to the bus captives. Obama answered a few questions, but reporters are generally placed on mute after they speak so there can be no follow-up. (Clinton held a news conference the same morning.) "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/27/AR2008012702160.html

Patsi,

If you will notice,

I did line for line the same post that EuroTom did, explaining why Obama would put McCain in the White House

All I did was craft a post that an Obama supporter would feel equally justified in making.

The point of the post is to show how easily cemented into positions the hardcore supporters of those 2 candidate are right now. You take umbrage with the racial stuff, think of what some young guy thinks about the sexist stuff.

The problem with Ferraro is more nuanced because if the point came from a more self made female, the comments would have been better received.

Read this column and offer your comments...
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/03/14/ferraro_clinton/index.html?source=search&aim=/opinion/conason

Ferraro got into public office by taking advantage of family contacts and connections. She was a trailblazer only because she sucked up to Tip O'Neil. So she said something that Obama said about himself. Being black and articulate got Obama the key note spot. If Obama were white, he would have been another John Edwards, which is significantly better than where Ferraro would have been were she a man. The fact that she doesn't realize the bitterness in her tone was the entire issue of that comment.

Lastly, you will see that because of the Wright affair, more than 50% off people who voted for Obama are now questioning that vote. All because a former Marine, turned pastor, dare be an angry black man and speak out and say things that most people outside of the US will show Amen too. More people than not would also concur if they could do so off the record.

Yes we get you are angry but don't think the venom and anger you could muster as an older white women could EVER compare to the venom and anger that an older or younger black man could unleash. I can visualize the images of black people being hit with high pressure water cannons in the south, fighting off police dogs...when did that ever happen to white women? No you can't count Vietnam protesters in Chicago...

"nd we know BO has fought it. He definitely does not want a revote, or anything for FLorida to count.. "

And we know whatever O wants, O gets.

This blog does not suffer from a lack of comments by Clinton supporters. I give Warren credit for trying to reason with the mob here.

Actually, and this may be before your time, but a lot of really good people have fled because you guys have become so tiresome.

I comment here mostly to keep this from being all Obama bashing all the time. You cannot see this, but that is what this blog has become.

A lot of you watch MSNBC which might indeed be wretched in its treatment of Hillary Clinton -- I don't know because I don't watch anything on MSNBC before 8 pm. And then you surf other websites and fill up on insults.

And then come here and whine about Obama supporters as if they are all identical.

And do not see how much that hurts people who do not support Clinton, but have tried to remain your friends and fellow commenters, despite all the bile here.

I am not trying to silence anyone's comments. Just trying to provide some balance.

Can you not see that this blog is turning into an echo chamber? No wonder you find it more hospitable than Talking Points Memo.

David Gregory doing a pretty good job so far -- 20 minutes in.

Heather and Wendy -- I've been fighting the fight for Hillary on a variety of blogs -- one of my ways of helping the campaign. The WaPo comments section is one of the worst -- but so is Daily KOS, HuffPo, TPM. The vitriol has affected me personally -- it's really hard for me to make the switch from being attacked as a Hillary supporter to seeing some of my social friends who are Obama people.

Newsweek has an article about it: http://www.newsweek.com/id/123582

This blog has been a refuge for me. Even at their worst the Obama people in here seem to retain some measure of civility.

Erin Go Bragh, y'all!

I'll bet the swiftboaters are canvassing house to house, from the rusting old shuttered steel mills to 95th to 24th and from Western to the lake, searching for one cell phone photo of Obama in a pew on the date Pastor Wright God Damned the USA.
Nobody's buying Obama's "why, I never knew..." bullshit.
They'll nail him on this one.

Hillary is renowned for not being available to press on her campaign trips. She's lightened up a little recently, but she also controls her forums to the extent possible.

Every comment does not need a snark back.

Posted by: dog hussein o'dog | March 17, 2008 5:50 PM

Snark would be kindest comment for posting this and then suggesting it would be snark to respond. A straw fact to make a straw argument.

Dog

has anyone here ever called you and idiot?

has anyone here ever called you stupid?

has anyone here ever said you lack intellect?

has anyone here ever butchered your screen name as a dig at you?

Just wondering because those things have happened to me by Obama supporters and here on this blog...I know that Hillary supporters have thrown a few punches but really much of the personal attacks on commenters have come from Obama supporters. BUT even with that...it is a heck of a lot better here than at TPM.

You know we have hear, is a failure to communicate...

So in the spirit of revenge of the Nerds, someone needs to break out the liquor, the wacky tabacky and turn on some ESPN basketball so we can argue about more important things, like who will win the tourney...

By the way, from Dog's Newsweek link...

Nationally, a quarter of those who back Clinton say they'd vote for John McCain if Obama won the nomination (while just 10 percent of Obama supporters would do the same if he lost).

Dexter -- They already have that video of O and M standing up and clapping their hands to the Rev's ranting. They're just waiting a few months to release it. Right now the the GOP 504s want O to win the DEM nod so they will release the new video in time for McCain to publically denounce it and disassociate his campaign from it.

I don't like calling the 504s "swift boaters." My dad was the CSO for Boat Squadron One (an original Swifty). He would not approve of what those guys did with Kerry's campaign.

You do see many new commenters who are Obama supporters They do exist. This blog now has a brand, and it is whinning Obama supporters.

Snarky: Thank you. Your spelling is as atrocious as your cowardice in hiding behind a screen name, but I will take that as

winning Obama supporters.

You have made my cocktail hour.

Firemen Ben (Bernanke) and Henry (Paulson) are busy fighting the raging inferno aka the Bush Recession.
Darth Vader Cheney is in Iraq on his investment assessment tour.
Business for him has been good , fifth year of rising profits.
King George is preparing for the Crawford easter retreat oblivious that his subjects are sinking deeper into economic despair.

Nice assessment George!

"Ferraro got into public office by taking advantage of family contacts and connections. "

You have to consider the time period on this. Nancy Pelosi did exactly the same thing and look where she ended up.

The same Gallup poll that showed Clinton beating McCain also showed her beating Obama, but I guess Chris didn't like that number. :-)

New dream team for MSNBC: Craig Crawford with Rachel Maddow.

Dog

When can really agree totally about these stupid aliases. If someone doesn't have the courage to use a consistent nickname that allows people to recognize them, they shouldn't be considered at all.

I once watched Nancy Pelosi being shut out of the Members Gym -- while two white guys she was lobbying for a committee assignment blocked her at the door.
Talk about glass ceilings!

Diva

That would be way too sane a combination for MSNBC. A courteous, intellegent show with two people who truly understand the issues even if they might have some conflict.

They might need to bring in someone from farther right who was equally courteous, thoughtful, and intelligent.

Of course this will never happen. It would be way too high a quality for show for the prison and porn station.

For KGC...

This is from CBS News' Fernando Suarez: on March 1, 2008

FORT WORTH, TEXAS -- Hillary Clinton told reporters that both she and the presumtive Republican nominee John McCain offer the experience to be ready to tackle any crisis facing the country under their watch, but Barack Obama simply offers more rhetoric. “I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say,” she said. “He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002.” Clinton was referring to Obama’s anti-war speech he delivered in Chicago before entering the United States Senate.

You can read the rest at the link below. The whole item is only two full paragraphs and one line.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/01/politics/fromtheroad/entry3896372.shtml

Or if you want to be blunt she's saying both McCain and her are the only two in the race who are qualified to be President.

In other words Senator John McCain a Republican is more ready than a Democratic Candidate. Thus casting Obama as unelectable to win against McCain, however she is since she is as ready as McCain and can beat him.

She's electable, Obama's not which would damage him if he were to win the nomination.

I can just see McCain right now telling the voters that Senator Clinton said he's more ready to be Commander in Chief than Senator Obama is.

Great talking points to give to the Repug's.

Dog other than two lapses in judgment where I reacted to 2 posters personal attacks on me, I have NEVER personally attacked any of the commenters here.

I have never pre-emptively done any name calling AND only twice - as I pointed out- reacted to a personal attack on me.

I will admit, however, that I do take every opportunity to expose Obama and his campaign for the fraud it is - if you take that as a personal attack on you and other Obama supporters I would say that's a you problem.

I welcome you to refute any of my arguments against Obama with facts - so please don't delete your responses unless you're only going to resort to name calling as your retort.

I actually believe both you and Warren do a pretty good job defending O' w/o making it personal. I was just taken aback by your wanting to silence observations by Clinton supporters.

The Conason article was interesting, Bear.
Thanks. But I have a problem with
the way he called her constituents to
Archie Bunker.

Huh? Suppose we changed that to a black or
hispanic district? I think he was stretching to
Bunker her up.

Aside from that, yes, you are absolutely right that
water hoses, et al -- happening long after
slavery -- OUGHT to have left people mad.
Plus so many other things. I don't
even disagree with some of Rev
Wright's assessments -- the US has lots to
answer for. But I do think he comes
off like a lot of wild eyed preachers that make me
want to puke.

You already know my feelings about what
has been done to women over the centuries,
and continues. And if I say too much about it,
then there are those who will say, "Oh, boo hoo,
she's playing the victim card."

And nobody will blink an eye.

Jamie: yeah, I have my suspicions as to "Snarky"'s identity.

Although it was fun to have the good Irish father join in earlier today. For St. Paddy's Day.

Fun vs. malicious is two different issues, to me anyway.

Jamie -- "Prison and Porn Station" almost made me spew vodka and cranberry all over my laptop. Ha!

On the way home the right wing talk show said that a new poll showed that McCain would beat Obama 44 to 39 with 6 Nader or other party.

McCain would beat Hillary 45 to 39 with 5 for Nader or other party. I believe he said it was a National Poll though I don't remember who the poller was.

Wendy!: where did the "wanting to silence Clinton supporters" come from?

And I personally think there are MANY MANY reasons I do not wish to see Hillary Clinton elected (albeit, she has many good points too), but do not go on and on about it because I realize that Sturgeone, whom I like immensely, is rooting for Clinton.

You think Obama is a fraud. That is your opinion. But why rub other people's noses in it? And that is very much the tone I get from your posts.

When I encounter people who cannot see more than one side of an issue, I wonder about them a bit.

Hey dog h o'dog -- try this: try signing on to WaPo as a Hillary supporter and making a few statements in support of Hillary Clinton. Pretend you're one of us. See what happens -- then you'll know what its like to be a girl like me.

Go on -- I double-dog dare you!

With all of the goings on in the BHO story...I know see what Bill Clinton was referring to as the fairytale! Too bad the comment was not seen appropriately and given racial overtones. Because I really think BHO's campaign is a fairytale. His story is just too unreal. And once the fascination with the fantasy fades, he will fall.

"try this: try signing on to WaPo as a Hillary supporter.."

You don't have to go to WaPo; post here as a Clinton supporter and see what happens.

Wendy:

I agree that tone matters as well as words. You probably have a different definition of "personal attacks" than I do.

And I do not think subtlety gives someone a free pass. Indeed - it is often those types of remarks that cut the deepest (I know since this is one of my favorite weapons - and trust me - I have seen it piss people off far worse than anything that comes out of the mouths of my crude, obnoxious and loud-mouthed friends).

You all guessed it right - Obama at the top of the power rankings!!

(I remember when Chris had HRC at the top of that list for weeks and weeks at the start of this thing - it used to make me soooo mad....).

Wendy...I happen to agree that BHO's campaign is rife with misleading information. You called his campaign a fraud, not him. And you can rub your opinion in front of my nose anytime!

From dnd ''dog "You think Obama is a fraud. That is your opinion. But why rub other people's noses in it? And that is very much the tone I get from your posts. Geez...relax a bit more...maybe your guy won't make it, but it is not the end of the world.

Blondie:

"His story is just too unreal."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/13/america/obama.php

I agree - for any country other than America. But his story is symbolic of "The American Dream." This is all part of his narrative. And it is not only his words that inspire - it is his entire life.

And that is one of the intangible reasons for the success of his campaign - which comes just at the time when that notion is slipping away for many. And people no longer have faith in the US Gov't here (and all over the world) thanks to Bush - and the partisan fighting. That is what the "fierce urgency of now" means.

In fact, I think that loss is felt most deeply in poor white communities - where the Dream appears to be for "someone else." At least that is the sense I get from my hometown.

Obama's message is not just for latte drinkers, blacks, men, Democrats, Independents, Republicans or whatever other category you try to pigeon-hole him into.

His message is for America.

Dog

Go back to where our conversation started - I can't find the post because I'm on my Treo and the browser sucks.

You posted something and I believe Jamie, Patsi and I responded to it - you followed up by saying not everything needs a snarky response.

Whether our responses were snarky or not is not the point - the fact that you felt we shouldn't respond is...I simply compared it to the silencing of Hillary supporters on other blogs.

I'm happy to listen to both sides but the other side I've been presented with is weak.

If you think I'm rubbing your nose in something simply because I point out O's weknesses - again - perhaps you are taking my criticism of O' personally.

Again by saying that my comments simply are rubbing your nose in ... something...suggest that I should be silent and not voice my criticisms of Barack. I don't agree with you on this - I have a right to voice criticism of him. I welcome any rebuttle you might have to my criticisms of him - but you are also welcome to scroll by my posts as well - I have a few people I do that with.

Andrea Mitchell just said Obama is better-positioned to take on McCain on Iraq. That is a pretty credible source.

Divalicious

Well if you think about the denizens, politics, porn, and prison are probably a pretty sure bet for outcomes.

Warren as you once posted to me, it is rough world out there...and as I have posted to you...it is my America, too. BHO is no different than any other politician. If he were, he would have accomplished a lot more during his tenure in state and federal office...his campaign is a carefully crafted attempt to get him elected. I stand by my opinion that he is a politician -- he is not any different than anyother candidate in that regard. His dream and change talk is uplifting, but as we are all seeing -- not much more than that. We want substance. We need substance.

Hear! Hear! Blonde

Warren...Andrea Mitchell doesn't even know that state of New Mexico is NOT next to the state of Nevada! But, she married well and her husband thinks BIll Clinton was one of the best fiscally responsible Presidents in the history of the US.

And when you quote BONBC employees, I really have to wonder. I guess I will just consider the source!

".maybe your guy won't make it, but it is not the end of the world."

Blonde -- I hate to say this, but I'd bet te farm that he'll be the nominee. I saw it coming from the first time -- months ago -- that Larry O'Donnell got on television
and said that Edwards would need to get out of the
race or be accused of standing in the way of "the dream."

I thought at the time, uh oh, he ain't talking about any woman's "dream" The fix has been in for a long time
They just figured Hillary would be like a good little
woman -- take the beating and crawl off in the corner.

Dog - I also welcome anu factual rebuttal to my praise of Hillary.

"Although it was fun to have the good Irish father join in earlier today. For St. Paddy's Day."

T'was a pleasure, girl.
Perhaps you could join me in a drink to peace.
I just happen to have a bit o Bushmills, Protestant whiskey, mind you, but It seems in order for the day.

If you would care to dance?

I know a good fiddler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0CTHmQ2Jus

Wendy:

This is how the zero-sum game of politics is created. You are going to ALWAYS be able to find SOME reason to justify attacking your opponent.

Just because you feel "justified" in lashing out at someone - does not mean that you should always do it.

(Of course there is a time and a place for everything - and I am not against lashing out now and then... ; )

This is what lawyers do - so I should know. But one of the reasons I started getting more active in politics - is a couple of years ago - I had the startling realization that politicians were doing the exact same thing I was doing!!

That is not a good thing. Politics should not be a zero-sum game. Especially since there is no law to follow - and no judge to settle disputes. Heck, most of the times politicians don't focus on arguing why their position is right - instead - they win by just making their opponent look like a jackass.

Obama DOES represent something different. It is a step in the right direction - and it will not happen overnight. But in these critical times - we need all our leaders (i.e, the best minds in the Dem, GOP, Indy parties) - working together to right the ship.

Not just arguing over who gets to drive.

I am sorry...this is the link for one of our fifty is missing from the March 2008 issue of New Mexico Magazine...in the April issue, Andrea Mitchell is blasted for filing a report that states 'polling showed they [the Richardson campaign] were not going to do well in his next-door state of Nevada.'

http://www.nmmagazine.com/50missing.php

Geez, Andrea....get a map!

Now you're talking some sense Patsi!!

Andrea Mitchell doesn't even know that state of New Mexico is NOT next to the state of Nevada!

Blonde wino

Maybe she's confused Nevada for Utah. Happens all the time when people confuse Las Vegas with Salt Lake City.

Mitchell is obviously a Clinton supporter, so this is surprising.

Emails going out today for April 9:

There is nothing I like better than throwing a party for a good friend. Will you come out to support my friend Hillary Clinton at a special, one-night-only solo concert in New York? I promise this will be one night that you won't want to miss.

Click here for more details and to be notified when tickets go on sale.

Sincerely,
Elton John

Nice one Blondie. I love to see the feminists trashing well-respected and great women - anytime they say something negative about HRC (even if it is true).

You're right - Andrea Mitchell is just a stupid bitch - I don't know what I was thinking all this time when I made sure to listen to whatever comes out of her mouth.

Perhaps the Clintonites could put me together a list of "credible" journalists so I don't get so confused....

Warren

I disagree with you about Obama - he is not different and it's been brought to light here as well as other places.

I do agree that we are in a very critical place and need someone with some real ideas, know how and guts to get us out - that's HRC

say what you want Warren - I won't be silenced by Obama supporters.

Warren

I disagree with you about Obama - he is not different and it's been brought to light here as well as other places.

I do agree that we are in a very critical place and need someone with some real ideas, know how and guts to get us out - that's HRC

say what you want Warren - I won't be silenced by Obama supporters.

From the man selling new politics and the audacity of hoke:

So far in March:

03/11/08 Obama campaign: 'There is no reason to believe that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration.'

03/11/08 Obama spokesperson Axelrod said Clinton campaign follows an 'insidious pattern' when it comes to race.

03/10/08 Obama said Hillary was 'saying one thing and doing another' on NAFTA.

03/08/08 Obama campaign: Clinton camp should 'stop telling the American people things that they know aren't true.'

03/06/08 Obama campaign manager says Hillary is one of the ‘most secretive politicians in America today.’

03/05/08 Obama campaign manager says 'The Clintons are the gold standard of negative tactical campaigning.'

03/05/08 Obama surrogate accuses Hillary of 'derogatory comments.'

03/05/08 Obama spokesperson accuses Clintons of being 'the same old thing' and using 'kitchen sink strategies that have mired us in the mess we're in, in Washington.'

03/05/08 Obama questions whether Hillary was 'negotiating treaties or agreements' or 'handling crises' when she visited foreign countries.

03/05/08 Obama spokesperson falsely accuses Hillary of misleading people about whether Obama is 'a devout Christian.'

03/05/08 Obama surrogate accuses Clinton campaign of trying 'to exploit race, exploit sex, exploit fear for political expediency.'

03/05/08 Obama spokesperson alludes to Hillary's 'law firms and real estate deals.'

Andrea Mitchell is confused...and Warren, I do not put anyone on a pedestal. Geez...we all make mistakes, that is my point! I believe you are making a mistake in believing in the fairytale, but that is your right. But, do not put words in my mouth...because someone is wrong does not mean if I point it out, that I am trashing them. That is kitchen sinking on your part!

Patsi..say it isn't so! His campaign makes him sound like any other politician!

Patsi/Wendy:

The new type of poltics is not patty-cakes. Especially when your opponent is trying to take your head off.

Now that would just be stupid - and Obama is not stupid.

It is more like polticial Ju-Jitsu.

From Chicago Tribune Sunday Editorial about 1 1/2 interview with Senator Obama about Tony Rezko.

This is what they concluded:

"When we endorsed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination Jan. 27, we said we had formed our opinions of him during 12 years of scrutiny. We concluded that the professional judgment and personal decency with which he has managed himself and his ambition distinguish him.

Nothing Obama said in our editorial board room Friday diminishes that verdict."

You can read the whole Editorial at link below.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0316edit1mar16,0,4441703,print.story

Warren,

Patsi put together a pretty good "kitchen sink" set of charges against Hillary. Can you produce something similar that she has done to him? They keep saying she is throwing the kitchen sink at him, but what I see is them accusing her of a strategy that doesn't really seem to exist.

I see we're about to get to the bottom of this obama hillary conundrum......I knew we could do it........

Why thank you Anon-P,

That was a great link after all the same stuff over and over and over.....Nice to Know the Chicago Trib is backing Obama because THEY should know.

You guys have gone postal. Leaving this cesspool to you.

Talking Points Memo's Loss was our loss too.

Hate to Hit and Run, But gotta go to bed.

Cheers!

Your welcome Sheila...

Jamie:

The 'kitchen sink' is simply the media finding some way to attribute Obama missteps

NAFTA - Rezko - Wright

to Hillary

You all remember Mika the other day blaming Hillary for Wrights remarks and Obama's follow-up lie.

"Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama's minister's shouted "controversial" comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

Divalicious (love your name!), my fellow Virginian: I have seen WaPost, and unless you read the comments very soon after story was posted, they do deteriorate. I am more concerned with the Post's dreadful neocon-enabling editorial page and Outlook section, but do occasionally check out the comments section (which I like) to see what people are saying. Flamers stand out as flamers and I do not read scurrilous posts. Too much energy for not enough info.

Snarky too: Clinton supporters feel quite at home here. As anyone can see.

Dog,,,,,You still not getting my emails? I'm not getting replies.....

WENDY: "it is my America, too. BHO is no different than any other politician. If he were, he would have accomplished a lot more during his tenure in state and federal office...his campaign is a carefully crafted attempt to get him elected."

Worth repeating!

AP

That is an excellent editorial about Obama and gives a good basic positive picture of him. It leaves open a few questions, but they seem satisfied with his statements regarding the Rezko relationship.

Hear! Hear! Patsi

Father O'Neil: I will take you up on that drink; Bushmills would be lovely. Need one after wading through C List.

In the Mean time my Dear,

try this again. chefstonesheila at gee mail dot com

"thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction."

Yep, Rez -- and I despise every one of 'em.

By the way, when I was in college a visiting preacher once spoke to my hometown church on behalf of Billy James Hargis. He ranted and raved about hippies and uppity women and blacks ("coloreds") and called Dwight Eisenhower a pinko commie.

On the way out, my oldest sister, a Democrat, told the preacher he and Billy James were lunatics and ought to be locked up. Guess some people question crazy talk.

Wendy:

This is exactly why we disagree:

"and need someone with some real ideas, know how and guts to get us out - that's HRC."

Hillary is a great politician and she has a great staff. It does not surprise me that they can paint a beautiful picture about how the "grass is greener" in Clinton Country.

And I do not disagree with many of Clinton's ideas. But I also listen to the tone and the words of the other ruling party in this country. And I think there will be serious division in this country with her as President.

Mind you - HRC will do nothing to worsen the partisan battle that is being waged in this country - she will just continue to same feud that has been going on for years.

Obama presents the best opportunity for America to turn the page on Bush. You can talk about the isolated instances where HRC "worked across the aisle" - and I can point you to millions of people that will think this was all part of her resume-building process for this election.

You can point to some Senators that like HRC. And I can't point to a number of law-makers, journalists, and Americans - that don't.

Yes - part of that is because she is a woman. But this is actually the part that I believe would fall away the quickest. Any man in a powerful position (or with a strong wife) knows that women are just as capable as men at getting things done. (Heck, don't think I don't realize I need a woman to get me off my ass - among other things of course : )

And no one has questioned whether Hillary is "capable" or "qualified" to be President. And I think that is a success for the feminist movement

(Heck - she's even so damn qualified - she's able to portray Obama as empty suit, which he is not - but the argument has some traction when compared to her impressive record.)

But another part of the "dislike" for HRC is the fact that it is a consequence of Hillary's (and Bill's) political fights throughout years and years in Washington. That bullshit is not going anywhere. Hell, it looks like the Clintons are going to have a make a FEW more enemies to even get a SHOT at the White House.

As I have said before, against HRC - McCain is the canddidate of change.

I was actually thinking about this the other day Wendy - even before this exchange. We will never agree because the reasons we support our candidate are mutually-exclusive.

You support Hillary because she is "experienced" and she is a "fighter."

I support Barack because he represents "change" and he is a "uniter."

Dog......sling me one of those bean bag cushions, I think I'm gonna kick back next to this lava light with a brewski and support hillary for a little bit......

"Guess some people question crazy talk."-Patsi

fewer by the day..

"You guys have gone postal. Leaving this cesspool to you."

See, dog, is is why I have such a problem wi the Obama supporters. They slip in snotty comments all the time then start talking "cesspool" etc.....phony.

If you really want some "change" how about not LOSING the next election......
Vote Hillary 08

Warren said: "And I do not disagree with many of Clinton's ideas. But I also listen to the tone and the words of the other ruling party in this country. And I think there will be serious division in this country with her as President."

HOLY CRAP! Warren do you hear yourself? You seriously like the idea of bending over and dropping your pants for the wing nuts!

Jamie -- thank you! Sheila's name appeared. Am crossing my fingers that will restore the connection.

Top of the evening folks, same old crap around here I see.

Definitely time for a beer!!

(I like being Irish - and all of the other ethnicities that have crept into my family tree - everyone knows mutts make the best dogs!!).

Lucy is an exception to the "mutt rule" - but she gets a pass because she spent some time on the "streets" and some time in the "system."

http://www.mycockerspaniel.com/past_contests/sep06.htm

The last line of your post really gets at the heart of it.

Unfortunately there is nothing Obama can point to that shows that he really is an agent of change and in fact there is quite a bit out there now that would point to just the opposite.

Hillary's track record is clear like it or not.

Sturgeone: enjoy that brewski, green or not!

Patsi,

With regards to this post, March 17, 2008 7:12 PM, while I understand your sensitivity, I think he was making that point because Archie Bunker's neighborhood was literally part of her district. I am guessing that while Norman Mailer may have exaggerated a bit with his writing for Archie, many people I know say he was dead on.

With regards to the general tone of this page...when I was a fraternity pledge, the VP of my house stood up one night and said the following:

"Gentleman, as you look around this room, you will see that we are a large and diverse group. Not all of us get along. We aren't all the best of friends, in fact, some of us hate each other. Despite that, we know that if another member or our group is in need, we will do so without hesitation and we are always proud to call each other brother"

At one point in time, the page had that same sense of community. Fritz was the first person to seriously violate the sense of community and Craig kicked him out. Some of you fear that this page is getting to be too partisan. Ironically, the division seem tied more to longevity on the page than by beliefs. I rarely agreed with FryDaddy but he would introduce me to a different view point and when he wasn't a prick about it, he was very informative in doing so.

I still get drawn back here in the hopes of finding many of the original people who welcomed me into the community. I have toyed with the idea of creating a private "country club" blog so that we "long timers" can go back to a leisurely way to discuss the idea of the day.

I am not dismissing you newer folks by any means. To draw a comparison to recent news, many of you post with a level of rancor akin to Rev. Wrights most fiery sermons. Lord knows I couldn't sit through 5 minutes of him, so you can imagine how hard it is to read it...

It's impossible to joke with people or offer a dispassionate assessment of an idea without it being a flaming cattle prod up someone's butt...

I can't stop laughing because we are supposed to be the educated elite. If we can fall into the rut of petty bickering, why are we so shocked when others do?

I recognize and appreciate the passion that people post here with. Just remember that if someone disagrees with you, it is not a personal indictment. Steven Covey talks about the principle..."Seek first to understand, then be understood" We need a LOT MORE of that here. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, they are idiots or lemmings. I am guilty of calling people naive but that is mild compared to the personal insults other trade.

It's a shame because this page is an even more insightful microcosm of America as a whole than I ever thought...

Warren...you see, for me, it all seems like platitudes when you talk about BHO. More political BS. Especially that "uniter" line...geez, where I have I heard that one before? And given how divided we all are on BHO...how is he a uniter? As I have said before, we need a healer more than a uniter.

two Irishmen walked out of a bar........

Hey.....it COULD happen........

Sturgeone,

Long time no see!!! How have you been?!?

While looking for some Irish music I found this performance that reminds me of Obama's church, in an Irish sort of way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxuNvaz2-og.

To compare here is a youth performance in Obamas church
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJbzqcz6Fo

Jack

Come on Patsi - I thought you knew me better than that.

What's the saying - I keep my friends close - and my enemies closer...something like that.

Hey Bear.....been mighty fine......good to see yer lines.....

Lisa,

Replied to both of your emails.....I don't think you are getting it for sure. I have to go to bed. I'll call sometime tomorrow to discuss our options.... Too tired. ;0)

CIO!

Thanks Sheila. Sweet dreams. I will call Verizon tomorrow and see if they have any advice.

Wendy:

"Unfortunately there is nothing Obama can point to that shows that he really is an agent of change and in fact there is quite a bit out there now that would point to just the opposite."

Look around you. I think the fact that not only young voters are getting involved in record numbers - but everyone is engaged. Most of us are addicted to discussing all of the thoughts we have swirling around our heads - with cyber friends and strangers with stage names - to the point that it can get in the way of work!

The pundits have hit the jackpot as there is no a year-long Superbowl of politics - with 3 great teams still fighting it out. You can talk about politics with cabbies, store clerks, barbers - and plenty of other people that you would usually only discuss sports and the weather with.

That is not all Obama - but he is a big part of it - and stands to capitalize the most from it.

Specific to Obama - there is his tech-savy use of the internet - that I think will also be used to increase the efficiency and transparency of govt. He may have some of the great and forward-thinking members of the GOP in his administration (which will be a great hammer to use on the hard-liners). He will be the first bi-racial President to some, the first Black President to others, and he will also be the first President from Kenya, Indonesia, Hawaii, etc.

He life story will also be symbolic of the way Democracy is supposed to work - in a time when spreading Democracy throughout the world is critical.

(So yes - I think Obama represents a change for the better. Even if things slip back into the old politics of partisan bickering - I am confident Obama will still be a vast improvement on Bush. But more significantly, he has the potential to do much more and I always like to be in the crowd that at least tries to do better - even if things end up the same.)

You are right, Warren!

Craig is mysteriously absent. Methinks he is quaffing some green appletinis. The better to torment Imus tomorrow. (Finally on radio in DC area. Hope I am awake enough to tune in.)

Warren,

That is all a very pretty picture. His speeches are certainly moving. Unfortunately, very little of what he says has anything to do with how he will act as President. It is all sort of like cotton candy. As soon as you take a taste of the spun sugar, it disappears into a sticky goo.

In one of the brief moments I was able to see one of the talking heads on MSNBC commenting how bad the Clintons have been for the Dems, it was good to finally hear someone say it out loud.

Wendy:

"I also welcome anu factual rebuttal to my praise of Hillary."

How bout the FACT that to ME - your comments sound more like "praise" and "attacks" - rather than substance.

So I apologize if I am not convinced.

"Financial records indicate that Beth Wilkinson, wife of MSNBC White House reporter David Gregory, has contributed $4,600 to Obama’s presidential campaign. To Big Head DC’s knowledge, the newsman has not disclosed this contribution to viewers."

http://bigheaddc.com/category/barack-obama/

Patsi:

Nice one! ; )

And since when did you join the "manners police?!"

A "change" for the Democrats would actually be winning an election folks!!

We are just trying to help you out this year - because you really need to win this one....

*warren's credibility evaporates into thin air...dinner time!*

Gordo what is this fetish you have for quoting right wing smear rags. Why don't you just admit you're a repug already.

Blondie:

"And given how divided we all are on BHO...how is he a uniter?"

We are supposed to be divided right now. This is a knock-down-drag-out-poitical fight. I think it is fair to say that the Hillary campaign and her supporters - are at least willing participants in the fist-to-cuffs.

I think it shows a loyalness to the dynamic Democratic candidates running this year - and most of the supporters will join in the next fight - which is going to be even dirtier.

Both of the parties are in chaos. The conservative base is not fired up about McCain - and despite all the bickering over here - the GOP has its issues.

A Democratic candidate can use the record turn out (and a depressed GOP base - because of McCain (not Romney) and Iraq) - to make this election a major blow to the GOP. One that will force them to go back and regroup - and we will all be a lot better off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvbnXlJV0H0

Jack

You think we fight around here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFjRMnycp5s

Flogging Molly - Drunken Lullabies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JePJNCrxpcY

Gordo you've proven yourself to be repug scum, just admit it already.

Flogging Molly - Seven Deadly Sins - Live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKzyhA-lrqM

I think I will get the CD

Jack

More Flogging Molly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=689EMwfYLOg

Jack

FNC is doing a great job on the Rev Wright story. Never thought I would say it - FNC has really become the "Fair and Balanced" news channel!

I'll let Jamie play all the old folks stuff

The Pogues - If I Should Fall from Grace with God

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrBLqp-s__o

Jack

I think I'll make this my new theme song

The Pogues Streams Of Whiskey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaHMG_SvUkw

Well I must thank Clinton for quoting Samantha Power's views on Iraq (instead of her campaign quoting Ms. Power's views on HRC).

Even though Clinton parsed the quote - Obama's trusty media flacks have put the full quote all over the airwaves.

Good thing too. Because the point Power makes is crucial for the Dems going up against McCain on Iraq in the general - and winning the votes in the center.

Gordo....come up with something original.

And I must say - I don't have any problems with this blog.

I think it is amazing the amount of information you can get from it. I also think it gives you a real insight into the mood of the electorate - even if we can be downright nasty at times. I see plenty of kinds words being passed around in between the fights over politics.

And everyone knows that's why politics is one of those taboo topics of conversation. We are all trying to covince each other - but very few people actually come here to be convinced.

(and last I checked - no one in here has been stabbed with a bottle or a butterknife...but I am relatively new ; )

"plenty of kind words"

(I meant)

One last thing - then I need a break.

I heard some rumor talk today on MSNBC about the Dems deciding to just seat 50% of the delegates in FL based on the vote that took place. Tucker starting ranting about how that was a travesy - and the Dems should do it all over again. And no one raised the point that this is exactly what the GOP did with FL's delegates.

Keep that in mind against the Republican flaks...

Just watched the swearing in of the new NY Governator, David Paterson. He gave an excellent speech inasmuch as he had to memorize it. He wasn't reading large print not Braille. He seems like he'll collaborate with the Repubs. It might actually work out well & be a template.

Gov. Hugh Carey was there and looks like 150 even though he's only 89. Iived in NY from Carey's time as Gov.

tt

I think that's right....

"It's a shame because this page is an even more insightful
microcosm of America as a whole than I ever thought..."

Bear...the only thing I disagree with is the idea that it's
a shame.

I think that this country is so full of crap on so many levels.
There's the race bigots, the sexist oikers, the lock & loaders,
the religious wack jobs, the all war all the time bunch...the
jingoistic nationalists -- God a'mighty there's a pile of 'em
out there.

As far as Wright's rants....Today I had a call from a Republican
who used to send me the Muslim emails about Obama. He hadn't
spoken to me in a while because of my reaction to those.
Now he's saying, "WHAT DID I TELL YOU?"

I said "...you told me Obama was a Muslim, and now you don't
like his Church of Christ positions." And I also reminded him
that he had, over the years, accused me of those same "blame
and hate America" positions. Didn’t mean I like the idea of
ANY preacher trying to incite people.

I also told him I was a Hillary supporter, and I knew
that he hated her as much as he hated Obama.

Now here's the thing....people have to be able to put the cards
on the table. This country faces an election where it's all on
the table: race, gender, war, religion.

Think about it. When has that happened?

We HAVE to be able to talk about this without tip toeing around
and without being called this or that.

We need to have this conversation.

Tiptoe

Did you see that the new NY governor has now confessed to an affair of several years? What is it with these men?

Oops, I'm wrong. I was in NY when Nelson Rockefeller, the Gov, dropped dead of a heart attack while "with" his mistress.

tt

"Republicans stripped Florida and Michigan of half their delegates as a penalty for early primaries."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23680304/

Those disenfranchising bastards!!

I really like the Pogues, but then I like almost everything except Heavy Metal as long as it is good for its type. Now tonight I am listening to my Pandora "Piano Bar" station.

"The transparent and inclusive candidate will have his moment of crisis in Philadelphia when he delivers his “Checkers” speech. Now the transparent candidate must be, well, transparent.

How much money total over 20 years has Obama given to his church?

What percent of his charitable giving has gone to his church?

How many rabbis or Jewish leaders have received Obama’s church’s “Trumpet” award given to Farrakhan?

How many rabbis have been invited to speak from Obama’s church’s pulpit?

How many times a year did Obama go to church?

On what Sundays exactly did he attend services?

By the way, how many reporters have seen this magazine financed partly with Obama’s donations?

Do you expect that Obama will answer even ONE of those questions tomorrow? No. Instead, we’ll be treated to more blather about hope, change, his mixed DNA, and the “we are one” baloney that no bedrock voting American will believe for a second. HE IS OVER. And the Democratic party had better realize it.

Barack Obama has lost 17 points in net favorability, and he’s in freefall."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/17/excuses-excuses-now-hard-questions/

Jamie, do you mean Spitzer?

tt

Gordo,

Excuse me. That list of questions is pure garbage.

TipToe

No The new one. Three hours from swearing in to tabloids. Might be a new world record.

Jamie, I see that Fox has reported that about Paterson.

I dunno.....men...hey you guys. What's with y'all??

tt

Sweet Jeezus, here we go again....does anybody really
care about who is screwing who?

NEW YORK (AP) -- Gov. David Paterson, who took over the state's top job Monday after Eliot Spitzer resigned amid a prostitution scandal, has admitted he and his wife Michelle had affairs during a rough patch in their marriage several years ago, a newspaper reported.

Paterson told the Daily News that he maintained a relationship with another woman from 1999 until 2001. He and his wife eventually sought counseling and repaired their relationship.

The couple agreed to speak publicly about their marriage in response to rumors about Paterson's personal life that have been swirling in Albany since Spitzer resigned, the Daily News reported Monday on its Web site.

*L* Yes, Jamie, a new world record, and he's African-American and legally blind. A three-fer.

tt

See another good reason to elect a woman. :-)

Mrs. Paterson admits to the same in the NY Daily News, for what it's worth. It was in the 1990's.

tt

Jamie, blind folks do it in the dark.

I can say that as I'm a CTVI (Certified Teacher of the Visually Impaired) amongst other things and have heard that a lot.

tt

" he's African-American and legally blind. A three-fer.'

It's a shame he never learned braille. Under certain circumstances it might be fun. :-)

[sigh]

Warren...your last post to me sounded very angry...let's talk about something else...let's talk about football.

What worries me about my beloved Matt Leinart is that he doesn't have the work ethic to be as a great a pro as he was college player. I hope he sees the light soon...but I worry he won't. Carson Palmer has a great work ethic and has proven himself to be a great QB - he's surrounded idiots is the problem.

The QB to watch from USC is John David Booty. He won't get drafted very high - probably not even 1st or 2nd round. The good thing about that is that he'll be considered a back-up and get to watch and learn the game...I predict he'll have a Tom Brady moment and prove himself like Tom Brady did.

Now the USC player nobody ever talks about is little Steve Smith - Mr. Reliable. Poor Steve always played #2 to the likes of Mike Williams and Dwayne Jarrett but we always new he could be counted on in a pinch. He is the same for the New York Giants. Everyone talks about the Eli Manning pass where he was almost sacked but another key play on that drive was a 3rd and 11 to Steve Smith who danced down the sidelines, past the marker and out of bounds to keep that drive going. Love Steve Smith.

Jamie -------------------------

And Obama's speech will be 100% garbage - just another con man trying to talk himself out of a very bad situation. Remember, most people are not into politics - impressions matter, not substance. Only about 2/3 of the public has heard about the Rev story.

Paterson has observable bilateral nystagmus (involuntary jerky eye movements, both eyes) and esotropia OS (left eye turns in). Looked him up and the etiology is optic atrophy. He has NLP (No Light Perception) OS (left eye) and 20/400 OS (right eye). And the dude never learned Braille. He's all auditory. Hummmm.....

tt

BTW listening to POTUS08 on the way home from class tonight...new Zogby poll (I actually don't put much stock in them...but what the heck) says that Nader could be a bigger problem this year for the Dems than people think. Getting 6% of the vote in McCain match-ups against either Dem and both Dems getting 39% in a 3-way with Nader.

Could just be the heat of the moment and the crappy polling of Zogby...but something to talk about.

Goodnight All

Grumble ,grumble
Dammit Craig,
The ignore button is not working again.
Could you get the IT guy on that as soon as possible.

Jack

Jamie, we vision folks have a light touch...... a gentle touch. Sorry.....

tt

Patsi,

I agree we need to have this conversation. We just can't get pissed off when someone says something we disagree with...except when it Taylor Marsh acting like a brat...

In Cranston, RI there is a sub shop called Bostons. Besides great sandwiches, the place was well known for its back room, where people would go to talk about the news of the day. It was common to get local mayors, occasionally a governor, congressman or senator to stop by and just kick back, eat and talk. I got to experience it a couple of times and it was quite a thrill. The only time things got really heated is when the irish or italian jokes would fly...lol

Wendy:

Don't think of it as "anger" - think of it as "passion."

(and if I ever do seem "angry" - it is probably just because you are an effective advocate ; )

"thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

Yep, Rez -- and I despise every one of 'em.-Patsi

I agree Patsi.. two wrongs don't make a right (wright) lol
But, there's ingredients for hypocrisy.
delayed reaction :)

Guys cheat because they are dumb and short-sighted.

They also think sexual conquests make them more of a man.

(although I am not sure paying 4000 bucks is much of a conquest - at least not for the guy : )

DW and i are pondering his direction tomorrow with his speech. He claims to be a uniter, so maybe that's his emphasis. Anyone?

MyDD discusses some interesting polling on the Wright issue. I think the most interesting numbers is how it hurts Obama with Indies and Repubs - which are obviously two groups he's worked hard to win over. This could actually be his undoing with those groups.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/17/203531/957

A toast to end saint paddys day

Dylan and the band, forever young
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TLygQpSiyU

Jack

Wendy,

Three words for what killed Matt Leinart's career...

PARIS HILTON'S VAGINA

Wendy:

Work-ethic might come a little tough for Leinhart since he seems like he has always been the "golden boy." But I hope he knows he has to step it up pretty soon.

He is in a good situation - and every year people are waiting for the Cardinals to get into the playoffs. They need to do it soon - if they want rely on the Edge - instead of just the air attack.

Steve Smith did step it up towards the end of the season. But I am still expecting big things from Jarrett. He seems like he has the type of talent to make him either a star or a headcase (hopefully he can learn from the elder S. Smith).

Bear -- yer on a roll tonight! Ha!

You said: " The only time things got really heated is when the irish or italian jokes would fly...lol"

Or around some of my friends, Serbs and Croats....Lord!

Well Patsi,

To know Cranston is to know that there were a lot of Italians...some mafia connected and many more who wished there were. Also a lot of Irish as well. As time went by and they grew more affluent, their old neighborhoods made way for the Dominicans, the Laotians and company...

Gordo:

Only 1/3 of America really cares about the J. Wright story and the questions you posed.

(And if you take out the Clinton supporters - most of those people would not be voting for Obama even if he really was the "second coming").

Anyways, I think a lot of people in America will care about what Obama says tomorrow (as well as people in a lot of other countries).

That is leadership my man (unless of course Gordo is a femaie)

*warren asks GORDO if bots can be male, female or both?*

Someone get Taylor on the line!!

warren, thanks for the testosterone insight.

tt

Bear

Boy...can I agree with you on THAT!!

ROFL

"DW and i are pondering his direction tomorrow with his speech. He claims to be a uniter, so maybe that's his emphasis. Anyone?"

From what my wife tells me,(she is the one out in the real world around here) Obama is developing a real trust problem amoung her co-workers. This is a recent developement in her company, a company loaded with people educated in egineering and science. So he needs to do something fast or he loses them for the general election.
As to your question , I don't know. I just hope it is something besides the Chicago politician style crap he has done so far. Identity politics works fine for urban politics and for pandering to the wing nuts but won't work in the general election. For the sake of the Democratic party I hope he's got it in him

Jack

tt:

Mucho gusto!

Here is some more testosterone insight from Wild Bill himself:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080318/ap_on_el_pr/bill_clinton_race

Never admit when you are wrong. Better to keep fighting - instead of apologizing and moving on.

(I was at least expecting some original material from the greatest politician in the world - he was using talking points I heard on here months ago...)

Warren:

Jarrett was great at USC - he was the unsung hero of that last drive against Notre Dame - just prior to the Bush push...unfortunately...I think his ego might get in the way as a pro...those last few games of his Jr. year just prior to his turning pro...not pretty...but he's a Trojan and he'll always have my support. I hope he does well.

Mike Williams is a different story - the interview in the Daily Trojan as he walked out after his Sophomore year was bitter - he trashed the school and every one of his teammates. I'm not sorry to see Mike Williams flop.

I don't think Paris is any worse than Jessica Simpson on that score. I liked her wearing the jersey - but I think the pink was a bit over the top.

(but I think both those girls are misunderstood . . . and so is Lindsy!)

*warren sets up a "Betty Ford"-type clinic for misunderstood starlets*

Flash forward:

*warren is brought up on charges...*

I can't friggin' believe I am still up.

Rez said: " He claims to be a uniter, so maybe
that's his emphasis. Anyone?"

I think he's going to continue with the
"old generation" crap.

"Those old 60s folks can't be trusted.
They are haters, by Gawd!"

What the hell happened to Charlie Rose!?

He has a black eye.

(guess he must of had an old-fashioned St. Patty's Day!!)

Oh he definitely did! He just claimed he slipped and fell on the "pavement"! "No more questions."

Hah - Charlie is the best.

Warren ---------------------

Dream on, Warren! The Rev Wright story is toxic for Obama. If the SDs let him become the nominee, he will destroy the party down ticket. The Repub Attack/Smear machine would use the Rev and other "stuff" to great effect. Other Dems would run from Obama as fast and far as they could. You just don't understand how bad this sounds to swing voters.

Patsi:

Someone said the Clintons symbolized the bridge to the 21st Century. And Obama symbolizes the 21st Century.

And don't worry - there ain't no age limit on the Change Express!

I will "dream on" Gordo. It is one of the benefits to being a human being with free will.

Time to take Lucy for a walk.

Jack,
I am with you on the whisky song. Loved it.

Watched Greta on FNews and she had a vote on Wright/Obama 71% of the people said they there is no way he can ever explain this politicallly. (7,000 votes)
And Boy if you think this blog is mean, try ABC blog on Obama article. Wow, talk about mean. And Uniter, sorry Warren if those postings are any evidence, he just became the all time divider of the US.
ANd yes, a good deal of the Obama supporters blame Hillary for the Wright/Obama debacle.
Well Faith & Begorrah, St Patty's day almost gone for another year. Our Parade got rained on pretty good here, Kansas City...
But my Irish Coffee sure tasted good and keeping me warm.

Jack,

Have another Bushmills and here is a good one for you.

As good as you
and as bad as I am
Im as good as you are
as bad as I am...

Cheeers

young73:

I think you will learn a lot more from your Irish Coffee than you will from Fox News polls.

"Change Express!"

Warren....more and more you are starting to remind me of the mindless thinking that brought us George Bush....

Well Shucks, guess that Irish Coffee is getting to me, I flubbed the toast, so here it is corrected.

Here's to you, as good as you are
Here's to me, as bad as I am
As good as you are and as bad as I am
I'm as good as you are, as bad as I am.

A good end to St. Patty's day..

Heard that one before Patsi. Obama is not Bush. Neither is Clinton or McCain.

Here is a question for everyone. Listening to Robin Wright on Mr. Rose - and her talk about the impact of the Iraq War on the mindset of the region.

Now we have seen how HRC's vote to authorize the Iraq War turns off people in our Country - but think about how it may impact the people AND the leaders of the Middle East.

Well, now I do have to go to bed. Just flipping channels and saw Hannity talking to some little Repub punk about how John Kerry and John Murtha were cowardly traiters. Hannity and the little punk having never served a damned day in the military.

I truly hate these people.

The most appropriate toast I have heard in a while...

"Here is to real pain for your sham friends
And to Champagne for your real friends"

Goodnight everyone.

He claims to be a uniter, so maybe
that's his emphasis. Anyone?"

Jack and Patsi,

I beg to differ with everyone. BO will be in his element. Nobody knows race (white/black) better than BO himself. This will be a moment where BO can bring the American people together with his leadership qualities. Sit back and enjoy the next POTUS folks. lol

Good thing the candidates won't settle Florida with these two...at least good thing for Hillary...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cryGyND4jw4