Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Edwards is part of the this coalition as well
http://www.noiraqescalation.org/

Sweet: Obama did NOT "hold the title" of a University of Chicago law school professor.(Posted by Lynn Sweet on March 28, 2008 06:25 PM)

WASHINGTON—The University of Chicago released a statement on Thursday saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) “served as a professor” in the law school—but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed on Friday.

"He did not hold the title of professor of law,” said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the school, on East 60th St. in Chicago.

At issue in the Clinton memo was Obama’s claims—mostly specifically on several direct mail pieces produced for his 2004 U.S. Senate race-- that said he was a law professor at the university."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_did_hold_the_title.html

Wendy,

all I am doing is showing what the University of Chicago Law School posted on their letter head. Believe what you want.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Both Al Gore and John Edwards have said the primaries should continue, why is the media still quoting Obama supporter Leahy.

Let's parse Edwards statement. It's much better for Clinton, He is saying Obama should be a minister while Clinton has put in the hard work to be a successful problem solver.

all I am doing is showing what the University of Chicago Law School posted on their letter head. Believe what you want

That is their statement as of yesterday. Up until then Obama was liar.

Yes..............minister.

"all I am doing is showing what the University of Chicago Law School posted on their letter head. Believe what you want."

Horsedooty - I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think THIS one matters or is at all important.

Plenty of other Obama lies that are much more interesting and pertinent to the discussion

:-D

Wonder why this isn't playing on an endless loop on MSNBO

http://nwitimes.com/articles/2008/03/28/updates/breaking_news/doc47ed3fa7bfdaf567313464.txt

"Seven Indiana mayors are throwing their support behind U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign"

More parsing

Edwards on Obama
There's no way to contest the fact that he's inspired this country."

The unspoken part of the comment ..."using ideas and rhetoric he stole from me"

Wendy -- MSNBC (and the rest) will never play anything that benefits Hillary unless it's something like the Wright tapes/ They'll only play those in hopes of inciting a race war to up ratings. I just now heard Tim Russert salivating over what a great and HUGE story an Obama victory over Hillary will be...."A giant killer!"

The whole thing has made me so disgusted with the media....and I might add, the many democrats who don't want to allow people to vote.

Tim Russert is an ignorant maroon.

http://www.rogerailes.blogspot.com/2008_03_23_archive.html#1162896082341019013#1162896082341019013

from the link

One of the many problems with Tim's memory is that his reporting on the economy is no different than his reporting on the White House. Pumpkinhead sits in his office and receives calls from the White House and its flacks and then dutifully spews out the fiction as remembered fact. Working people without multi-million dollar book contracts -- or even jobs -- perceived the economy as bad because it was bad for them and it had been bad for them for four years. (Perhaps the electorate would have been more optimistic if they'd been given more free rides on corporate jets.) But Russert's job is to put McCain in the White House, so he's gone to therapy and recovered some memories of the Bush economic miracle

On Reliable Sources this morning they showed Tweety going into a rant so over the top in praise of Obama, that another ancho asked him if he was endorsing Obama.

Tweety stops cold, and says, "No. Why would you ask that?" seemingly stunned that he was caught in the act, to which the anchor replies, "Just wondering".

If it hadn't been so pathetic, revealing, and demonstrably biased, it would have been hilarious.

Jamie helped me get my little key...Thank you, Jamie!...and I'm just showing it off before I head out to take one of my dogs to the groomer....

KGC,
Before I eat my brunch....

I don't know if Edwards hates the Hillary machine that ran over him more than the lifting Obama has done with Edward's message. Tough call. I do respect he has steered clear of the mess so far. He also knows what Obama said to get himself that key speech at the 2004 convention, so he knows the duplicitious tact Obama has spun. Edwards must be burned that the press gave Obama a free pass over his contradictions and false pretense and let Edwards have it over haircuts and where his campaign office was located.

Niether Hillary nor Obama would give Edwards a VP spot, so I don't know how Edwards will play this.

Wendy, I'll drop you a note later, but keep ducking that sniper fire. And again, Gordo, without using World Net Daily, any more links between the indiviudals in Obama's history of associations? It would be a shame if new information about Khadili, Auchi, AAAN, Cairs and Rezko surfaced this week to keep the eye on those who Obama considered his friends as he considered the WH.

Oh, I forgot...he never had thoughts about being President and I guess his personal history proves it...LOL

I posted this on the last thread but a woman on C-Span called in this morning and said

The media sold us Bush in 2000, they sold us the Iraq war and now they're selling us Obama.

Would be nice if the "lemon law" applied to the media.

Obama was the first to play the race card

"Having injected racial posturing into the contest, Obama's "post-racial" campaign finally seems to be all about race and sensational charges about white racism. But the mean-spirited strategy started even before the primaries began, when Obama's operatives began playing the race card - and blamed Hillary Clinton.

Had she truly conspired to inflame racial animosities in January and February, her campaign would have brought up the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his incendiary sermons. But the Clinton campaign did not. And when the Wright stories and videos finally did break through in the mass media, they came not from Clinton's supporters but from Fox News Network.

Instead, she had to fight back against a deliberately contrived strategy to make her and her husband look like race-baiters. Obama's supporters and operatives, including his chief campaign strategist David Axelrod, seized on accurate and historically noncontroversial statements and supplied a supposedly covert racist subtext that they then claimed the calculating Clinton campaign had inserted.

Obama's bogus "race-baiter" strategy is one of the main reasons he has come this far, and it is affecting the process now. But by deliberately inflaming the most destructive passions in American politics, the strategy has badly divided and confused Democrats, at least for the moment. And having done so, it may well doom the Democrats in the general election."

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/currents/20080330_Obama_was_the_first_to_play_the_race_card.html

Maxtrue

Edwards is relatively young, has a lot of money and wants to have an impact. Like Al Gore he may be more effective out of office.

John Edwards was the best of the field, but he was ignored and/or marginalized by the media to the point that he was pushed aside...as were several other good, very qualified candidates. We now have exactly the candidates the media want us to have.

Wouldn't it be something if we, the Democratic people, outsmarted them by nominating someone like Edwards or Gore as the answer to the rancor of the race and gender wars? And wouldn't it be fun to watch the Republicans scrambling to catch up because they thought they'd be running against Obama or Clinton?

I know...I'm dreaming.....

"wonder why this isn't playing on an endless loop on msnbo?"

The same reason that the media continues to have "private" conversations with so many superdelegates they claim want Hillary to get out---it simply does not serve their agenda.

If so many superdelegates want her out now (as the media keeps telling us) then they should come forward now, end this race, give Obama their vote now, why wait, show the democrats, just how little they think of the will of the voters who have not yet voted.

Harborwoman

Gosh the Steekworkers still haven't endorsed Obama. Since he claims responsibility for their success in the Chicago area I am surprised. Oh right another Obama inflated statement.

HW

For an Edwards nomination to occur, Sen. Clinton would have to fight this battle all the way to the convention, survive through a first ballot and have Edwards brought forward as an acceptable alternate who could get votes.

Oh, and one more note:

http://poligazette.com/2008/03/29/un-fitna-is-hate-speech/

Seems Obama doesn't mind the associations to many on the Left that spout anti-American, anti-Jewish and even some anti-Christian things (see Khadili, Ayers and others).

Now how does that position square with free speech and valid claims about Islam (the historical use of the Koran to promote violence)?

Doesn't Obama's position seem to support the UN in regards to the new movie? Now it is okay for PBS to silence documentaries that find fault with Islamic extremism, but we all should be more sensitive about Islam? Again, I don't think Americans are buying the moral equivilancy spin of Obama here. And do Democrats want to stop the monitoring of Islamic charities in order to prevent the funding of terror? I can't wait until Obama pivots more to center. I guess then he can't condemn this new film about Islamic responsibility without drawing fire over his Church's newsletters, can he?

See how better it would have been to step completely away from his associations? But then what would Left of his story? Okay, my rant for the morning.

What happened to the floodgates of Super Delegates that were going to flock to Obama?

The large uncommitted block shows Obama has not closed the deal. Perhaps they will be the impetus for the Draft Edwards movement.

Ranked voting by delegates could prove a winner for Edwards

Yea...and whatever happened to the 50 superDs waiting in the wings to endorse Obama...where have they been?

KGC

ROFL

I should have refreshed before I posted.

Wendy

Great minds!

The Intellectual Poverty of Frank Rich
By Larry Johnsonclose

While the competition has been keen at the New York Times to secure the mantle as the most virulent Hillary hater, Frank Rich is in a class by himself. No other columnist now writing for the “Gray Lady” is more intellectually dishonest and lacking in basic integrity than Frank Rich, the bloviating former theater critic turned professional Hillary basher. Maureen Dowd? Alternating between catty and crazy, Dowd’s nose is out of joint apparently because Hillary looks better in boots. How about Bob Herbert? You can’t fault an African American who wants to give a brother a break and devotes his time to peddling moralizing conventional wisdom and cheer leading like there’s no tomorrow for Obama. And William Kristol and David Brooks? They are just neocon party-liners. (Only one among the NY Times line up ever writes anything complimentary about Hillary–Paul Krugman, who has a day job at Princeton as an economist, actually knows something, and let’s the chips fall where they may.)

The NYTimes proud of its editorial page of Bill Kristol
Bobo Brooks and Frank Rich.

No fact checking or facts for that matter necessary.

KGC,

Agreed, so perhaps Edwards has his crystal ball out and is weighing what will happen should Obama win the nomination. If it becomes a fiasco, then he had best triangulate with the centrist side for a future. If Obama loses to McCain over this issue of centrism, then again, Edwards might tack a path back to Kerry's centrism. If Hillary wins and is a successful Presdient, then too, Edwards should move center. If Hillary is nominated and loses to McCain, then Edwards should play it safe and not get involved much. In any case, Edwards was a far more effective candidate when he was a centrist. The over the top popularist will never suit him. His anger is best served directed at foreign objects instead of such hositlity directed to US. Sure there are problems here but Edwards goes completely ballistic and steers far from foreign policy.

Gore would lose to McCain and is not a good candidate. He is a much better pundit. MAD TV was blasting Hillary and Clinton last night. Funny. If Barak wins, one comedian has a career.

"How can you not love Frank Rich?"

Quite a few theater people he screwed over and laughed about could tell you. Rich needs to go ahead and come out of the closet. He'd be so much happier.

John Edwards was perceived as a real threat to corporate interests and as such, imo, the media deliberately silenced his message.

He could not be allowed to gain any traction with the voters--and he did not appear to have much support from the dem. party insiders.

editorial from Denver

http://www.denverpost.com/quillen/ci_8733149

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

William SafLiar -- Kerry's the Fearmonger.
Advertisements [?]Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 03:57 AM by kaitykaity
I guess Mr. SafLiar hasn't been to any Bush rallies
lately, and he didn't hear Cheney say that if Kerry's
elected that the terrorists WILL strike again in the US.
This lame attempt to deflect the charge is good for comic
relief only. Lame lame lame.

quoting a gooper liar

cartoon for today,

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=1736

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

They said they used to call Frank Rich "the butcher of Broadway" because of his negative reviews of Broadway shows.

http://stubbornfacts.us/botj/declinism_hysteria_as_secular_religion#comment-13805

Funny video of the praying bus driver...

thought yall could use a good laugh about the politics of decline.........

Frank Rich is a regular on Imus

Does Imus still refer to Senator Clinton as "Satan"?

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Proof that Obama isn't good at everything!

http://www.startribune.com/politics/17138276.html

Okay, here it comes again.

Frank Rich has a long history of all sorts of irresponsibility.

Most of what's known is journalistic.

In the book he "wrote" on his forced "sabbatical" from the NYT opinion page, he simply recanted nearly every review from his ex cathedra run as the Times' last critic who had any power.

Those were the reviews which led to the destruction of independent commercial and non-profit theater in New York City and the creatively crushing rise of corporate theater.

His comments on his reviews were along the noble lines of "ooo-oh! poopsie made an oopsie!"

So why was he on "sabbatical"?

Because the writers on the paper and a lot of the shareholders wanted him canned and disgraced.

And his old pal Sulzberger wouldn't have that.

I mean... all Frank did was -- after making his NYT romance with fellow staffer Alix Witchel a ready for Oprah romance which happened to help him promote his childhood memoir (most memorable event -- he saw Gypsy!!!)....

And crushing theater and becoming an OpEd writer ex nihilo....

He dood something veeeery strange.

All of a sudden the Broadway musical "Scarlet Pimpernel" (whose book was written by his childhood pal) had a very good PR agency called the New York Times.

And then all of a sudden Frank Rich and the fellow who had redirected the show in mid-run (this show has a VERY funny history involving a lot of strange non-theater producers) were making out in public in Chelsea restaurants in that good old "I dare ya, I'm Frank Rich!" manner.

So this story breaks the week that his wife Alix's lovely, substantial memoir about her mother and sisters is published.

Alix vanishes, appearances are canceled, the book sinks.

But Frank himself rises like so many other things that are neither the phoenix nor the sun.

Oh, also -- the man who is considered the best architecture critic of the modern era was Paul Goldberger.

For years he was not only Frank's friend and confidante, when the first Mrs. Rich left him, Goldberger helped Frank raise his sons (who Rich does love).

He had no better friend in the world.

Goldberger was critical of Frank's actions as not only a journalist but as an opinion columnist who turned almost every section of the paper (save sports) into a forum for weekly articles about The Scarlet Pimpernel.

Goldberger got fired soon after and neither he nor his wife nor his kids have heard from Rich since.

Oh, yeah -- David Merrick saw how phony the romance was and how phony RIch was.

So his last major stunt was to run a silhouetted shot of Rich and Witchel sitting hand in hand watching a show of his Rich had bombed with this fine header:

"AT LAST! PEOPLE ARE HOLDING HANDS ON BROADWAY AGAIN!"

I wonder if Frank is friends with ex-Govs Jim and Eliot.

They certainly are peers.

I may have found the source of every single right wing Moslem conspiracy theory. One of my right wing friends, sent it along in an email. If this doesn't make you cross your eyes and shake your head over the directions human beings can go, nothing will. Let me know when you have the fall out shelter built. :-)

Http://www.usawakeup.org/

http://cagle.msnbc.com/news/obamaobama/main.asp

Hillary may be teaming up with Richard Mellon Scaife to "destroy" Obama. Sure hope so - he deserves it. Dems should not reward Obama for playing the Race Card. I've seen subtle hints in several articles that something BIG is on the way and it is not going to be pretty. Considering the smear campaign run against the Clintons by Obama and MSM, Hillary can justify anything.

Wendy, Doots, et al.

I care about his misrepresented status at the College of Law. The University Statutes are quite clear on the subject, see Statute 11:

http://trustees.uchicago.edu/articles/statutes.pdf

"11.1. The Members of the University Faculties are classified as follows: Professor, Associate Professor, Assistant Professor, Collegiate Assistant Professor, and Instructor. Every person holding one of these titles with status as defined in §11.1 through §11.3 shall be a member of the Faculty. Membership in the University Faculties is restricted to persons holding appointment as prescribed in §11.1."

He came under §11.4, Other Academic Personnel. It matters.

I remember the second time I ran for office. The St Pete Times wrote that I was "a retired Chief Master Sgt of the Air Force."

I was mortified. In the history of the AF there had been only half a dozen CMSAFs and I was not one of them. I was in fact a 'retired Air Force Chief Master Sgt" which sure as hell isn't the CMSAF.

I checked all my bios making sure I hadn't misrepresented myself. Finding that I hadn't, I faxed and wrote the Times pointing out their error asking that it be corrected.

Although only a small number of people in the community might have questioned what the Times had written, it was wrong and untrue. My career stood for itself, it didn't need any embellishment.

The Times didn't see a problem, so they chose not to make the correction. I, in turn, gave copies of all the related correspondence to my attorney and left it at that, still dissatisfied at the way the Times had handled the whole affair.

One's stated qualifications matter. You're telling people "I can handle this position because I've done this." If this isn't true, then what other representations are untrue?

Yes, it matters. And, he should be ashamed of himself and should be standing before the community apologizing.

Just wanted to clear something up. First apologies for often misspelling Khadili as Kahlili...LOL

Of course I have always been refering to Rashid Khadili

http://pryce-jones.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N2UyZTIxNzRiNDYxZGRlOTcyZWI4Njg5NGI4Yjg1MDk=

Now everyone has the right to express views, There are several characterizations Khadili has made that I could agree with. I haven't seen anything that would make me call Khadili a "monster". The question is whether Khadili has made some claims about his past and was fair in rejecting certain characterizations about his views and activities.

Then why the support of Cairs? Many who look closely at the matter feel his rejection of certain hardline positions is refuted by the charter of AAAN and his collaboration with Cairs, let alone Khadili's former job with the PLO as Israel chased it out of Lebanon. We know of the purpose and activities of Cairs, yes? At what point do denials fail to deflect when positions and collaraborations get the light of day? No one is saying speech is not protected. We are discussing what that speech honestly is. And has the web of associations Khadili has been linked to involve any criminal activities? Does Khadili's support of Hamas blend into the very newsletters of Trinity?

And then there is the long association with Obama, the move to Chicago, support from Rezko and even Obama and Khadili at Woods Fund where AAAN and Cairs intersect. Is it fair to suggest that Khadili's spin is not accurate and that Obama had a close relationship with Khadili, knowing full well his opinion and advocacy?

I just wanted to clear that up. At the moment this is more a matter of perception than any criminal inuendos. It is fair however, to examine the degress of separation between what Americans do not accept and the spins coming from Obama and Khadili on the matter of their relationship and known ideology.

Again, the matter of judgment, honesty and ideology of association. Is this fair when appraising a Presidential candidate? I can't imagine a similar friendship and relationship involving money NOT being examined had Clinton been involved. I have never suggested that Obama supported extremist views against Israel, but rather the web revealed indicates Obama knew of the extremism embraced by associates of the Parties mentioned.

First, I have not been able to read my favorite blog in a while and am unable to accurately gauge the current mood of this crowd. My first impression is that divide between the Clinton and the Obama camps has really gotten bitter among the usual posters and a number of newbies. I’m afraid that this mirrors a similar and a troublesome national trend within the Democratic Party.

What’s the plan here?

Everyone seems to be staking positions with a dangerous kind of rhetoric that makes difficult coalescing support for the eventual nominee. What should be a comfortable November victory could turn into another squeaker. There is much at stake.

I am an Independent centrist who thinks that; maybe, just maybe, it is time to make a bold break from the usual crapfest-a-spectacular that the two Parties always serve up. And, I don’t think that I am the only one out here.

My impression of where this battle is headed is certainly not good. Democrats are poised to greatly expand their majorities in Congress, attract Independents and disaffected Republicans and risk the urgent need to put an end to the dangerous group of NeoCon dead-enders that will eagerly burrow into the woodwork of a McCain Presidency.

We have already witnessed the utter futility of fighting White House intransigence.

My personal belief is that the Democrats will nominate Obama. The alternative path appears unlikely without fracturing the fragile support that the Democrats have attracted away from the Republicans among key swing and Independent voters. Not to mention, what damage it would do to alienate the strongest segment of your Party’s base.

For God’s sake, keep some powder dry for Fall. McCain will be tough.

"Damn Frank Rich really pisses you Clintonista off, "

Want to address his ruining Broadway shows then laughing about it on Imus? Saying he was wrong but what the hell? It was only people's lives, after all.

Also the lives of his wives and his children, Patsi.

A fe weeks ago the media was all a twitter over the divisions in the Republican Party. Everyone is back on the straight talk express. There is plenty of time.

"Black voters will cheer and dash to the polls en masse for Obama, but their votes won't be enough to put him in the White House. Despite the myth, they haven't put any other Democrat candidate in the White House either."

Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His new book is The Ethnic Presidency: How Race Decides the Race to the White House (Middle Passage Press, February 2008).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/black-voters-cant-put-ob_b_90943.html

By the way, Doots....Hilary's Bosnia lie doesn't even compare to Obama saying he wasn't aware that Wright ever gave those speeches. I don't give a crap about what Wright said. But your Saviour saying he didn't know is a flat lie...just one of many lies. (Please genuflect when you type His name each time, by the way.)

Jeeez,
WTF is it about worldnet dailey with Gordo and Max

When I read Max's post and I read the link below plagiarism is the term I think applies to Max.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=57231

Of course, net kook also comes to mind.

So what is it with the Obama people on this site. Don't you have the ability to defend your man from obvious falsehoods?
First, It is Reverend Wright and now it is this terrorist crap that Max is spewing and all I've seen is a bunch of whining about how we are being unfair to a troll. If the troll was a true Obama supporter he would have been refuting the slander. But he is not. Why? Because he is a troll.
Does any body believe that KGC would let someone spread that kind of slander against HRC without a strong response?

Jack

"Everyone seems to be staking positions with a dangerous kind of rhetoric that makes difficult coalescing support for the eventual nominee."

Mad -- I will vote for him, but I will never "coalesce." It will simply be a vote for the Democratic nominee.

On Russert today a comment went right over Timmy's head (as usual) -- It was stated that early on in an Obama campaign strategy meeting it was determined that he could not take her on with policy or real issues, so he had to destroy her character. Now who is the scorched earth candidate? Did Russert follow it up. Nah, wouldn't fit the talking points.

By the way, that wasn't on MTP -- it was Russert's other show.

"I have never suggested that Obama supported extremist views against Israel,"-Maxtrue

Max, suggested is a pretty broad brush. The kind with which you love to paint.

G-man,

"I've seen subtle hints in several articles that something BIG is on the way and it is not going to be pretty."-GORDO

Here a good link for ya! I think memberships are discounted this week.

http://www.nostradamus.org/

PBS is showing a program on Eleanor Roosevelt. She was quite a woman.

who do the Democrats need to win

"Special to The Washington Post

The gender gap is now 25 years old and, according to recent polling, it is alive and well.

A Democratic polling memo released yesterday found that women, who voted for President Bush last year in large numbers, have begun migrating back to their traditional home in the Democratic Party as the public's agenda has shifted from homeland security and terrorism to domestic concerns such as jobs and the economy.

There has long been a gender gap between the parties, with women tending to vote Democratic in disproportionate numbers. Bush all but closed that gap last year, losing the female vote to Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) by three percentage points. But the memo pointed to a March survey that found women favoring Democrats when asked which party's candidates they would support if congressional elections were held today"

Nostradamus better accuracy rate then Tweety, Drudge or Frank Rich

"So what is it with the Obama people on this site. Don't you have the ability to defend your man from obvious falsehoods?"

And it's not like you have to go very far to refute Max.
You just have to want to do it. A link from Politifact, they can be found on the CQ web site

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/402/

Jack

KGC,

What's the 25 years part to that? Maybe not ehough java yet:)

Don't you think McBush will try to hold that in check with his fear and war campaign? Plus, toss in a few red alerts this summer with the help of W.

Jack,

I've traveled the road with Max once too many lately.

I think George barricaded it for me yesterday.

Rez

The thesis behind Washington Post Story only Bush using has been able to erode the gender gap but that as early as 2005, women were returning to the Democratic party and their traditional bread and butter issues.

The argument in the story is that women no longer respond to the fear argument .

More people now believe Bush has made us less safe so more fear mongering probably won't work.

Ps Rez

Even McCain doesn't want anything to do with Bush.
His last speeches have all been "I am not George Bush."

Rezdog --------------------------

Apparently, the imminent attack on Obama is so hard-hitting that several top Clinton campaign people are going to leave - they don't have the "stomach" for it. If Hillary does not annihilate Obama, the Repubs will in the GE. One person said : "Obama will be reduced to dust". Sounds good to me - Obama deserves it.

G-man,

If that's the case (holding out info that hurts the O man),
then Hillary camp is not as smart as I thought and deserves to lose. btw. that sympathetic workers leaving story is about two old.

Why do I do this??..my day for backyard dog crap duties. lol

Now I get the Obama campaign totally. I can't believe it took me so long. However, I won't be voting for him as the author states in the conclusion.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15138

Sorry, if you've already seen it

KGC,

"The gender gap is now 25 years old and, according to recent polling, it is alive and well."

what's this about? just curious..

Wigs,

Sorry, if think that's insightful, I don't! jmo

Rez

The gender gap in that story refers to women.
Over 25 years of keeping data, women particularly women who are heads of households have been reliable Democratic voters.

In the same way, the Republicans have a more reliable male voters.

NYTIMES
It wasn’t until Ronald Reagan’s victory in 1980 that observers first noticed the “gender gap”: men supported Reagan by 8 percentage points more than women did. Of course, more women supported the incumbent, President Jimmy Carter, than did men. And ever since, women have been more likely than men to favor Democrats. Both parties have tried a variety of strategies to open or close the gender gap: nominating a woman for vice president (Geraldine Ferraro), pretending there was no difference, collecting women into smaller subgroups (soccer moms, security moms), emphasizing feminist issues (equal opportunity, reproductive rights), emphasizing economics (health, welfare, child care). A host of feminist institutions — the Democratic pro-choice political action committee Emily’s List; the nonpartisan White House Project, which promotes political activity among women — have arisen to try to drive up the numbers and harness the power of the women’s vote.

Talk about a nice retirement bonus:

Church builds $1 million mansion for Wright
TINLEY PARK | Welcome home, Rev. Wright

http://www.suntimes.com/business/867629,CST-NWS-wright29.article

Wonder how much of a pension he'll need to run his household. I also wonder if this is a non-taxable event for Wright. In other words, are the taxpayers of GD America subsidizing his new lifestyle.

Final Jeopardy question:
Which campaign will report a 1st quarter contribution intake of $150 Million?
Answer: The Obama Campaign
Maximum love and respect to the Clinton camp.
See , I am sticking to the theme of of Love written by St.John!

Thx KGC,

All of those strategies require a time of peace. The switch by women to econ issues from terrorism (to Dem from Rep issues)makes sense to me, but then all it would take would be another 911like event to halt that migration. .

Rez

Even another 9/11 won't send women back to the GOP
at least not until the least neocon is gone. Bush squandered all their goodwill for the next century.

Paul Krugman said HRC is more liberal than Obama. That is a tough position to be in the general. She has had to run to the left and attack Obama because she has been losing most of the race. (Let's not forget that 11 in a row streak, 30-14, etc.)

And all that stuff about Obama's lie about whether he was a "Professor" or not is just "silly season" my friends. The fact remains he taught Constitutional law at one of the finest law schools in the Country - on top of being a community organizer and a state legislator. He was loved by his students and greatly admired by the faculty.

(Here is what Cass Sunstein has to say. btw, Cass is one of the most well-respected law "Professors" in the world):

http://baldwinparkdemocrat.blogspot.com/2008/03/cass-sunsteins-obama-i-know.html

And I won't do it again - but I could put together a laundry list of Clinton campaign misstatements including the definition of "victory", MI & FL, not going after Obama's pledged delegates, and the infamous "sniper fire" comments. (That video tape and the several instances on which she "mis-spoke" would be very effective images in the general against G.I. John McCain. Not too mention some clips of the candidate's husband and former POTUS saying her opponent is "admirable", "moderate" and a "hero.").

(And Wendy. Didn't you get the memo from LL? I thought we were going to play nice...oh well. There will be plenty of time for that later - whoever wins.)

"Which campaign will report a 1st quarter contribution intake of $150 Million?"

Thank you Penny Pritzker Queen of the Subprime Mortgages. How much has come from the families of lobbyists?

One reason Barack Obama might not want to talk about the role of financially irresponsible bank board members in creating the subprime mortgage foreclossure financial disaster is that the national finance chair of Obama's campaign, Penny Pritzker, is a former board member of the failed Superior Bank S&L that engaged in irresponsible subprime mortgage lending during the 1990s.

Apparently Penny was into subprime lending before it became all the rage starting in around 2000. It continues:

Penny Prtizker's chairmanship was apparently "to concentrate on subprimelending, principally on home mortgages, but for a while in subprime auto lending, too," after the Pritzkers' bank acquired its wholesale mortgage organization division, Alliance Funding, in December 1992.

Back then they called it "predatory lending

Fact check, please, re Mr Obama: "...He was loved by his students and greatly admired by the faculty."

"Thank you Penny Pritzker Queen of the Subprime Mortgages"

"Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, Maggie Williams, served on the board of a lending company that engaged in practices that the New York senator is now criticizing on the campaign trail:"

Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign manager, Maggie Williams, earned about $200,000 on the board of a Long Island subprime lender that charged prepayment penalties -- a practice that Clinton, a critic of the subprime industry, now seeks to eliminate.

Williams, who took over the reins of Clinton's campaign in early February, served as a director on the board of the Woodbury, N.Y.-based Delta Financial Corp. from April 2000 until the firm declared bankruptcy in December, according to Securities and Exchange Commission records.

She was originally recruited by former New York City Deputy Mayor Bill Lynch, a Delta consultant. Her assignments were to create a new code of "best practices," and to improve the company's crisis management operation in the wake of state and federal predatory lending probes that resulted in a $12 million payout to borrowers.

Maggie Williams, served on the board of a lending company that engaged in practices that the New York senator is now criticizing on the campaign trail:"

Yes also bad. But not the chairman of the Board and did not make nearly as much money as Pritzker

So it appears Williams was brought on board to fix the problems. Prtizker walked away with a boatload of money.

Flatus:

"Fact check, please, re Mr Obama: "...He was loved by his students and greatly admired by the faculty.""

Here you are sir:

Law students gave Obama big thumbs-up
'I LOVED TEACHING' | Consistently rated one of top instructors at U. of C.

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/law-students-gave-Obama121807/index.html

And Obama is our team captain!!

"Those are tremendous ratings, especially for someone who had a day job," Professor Cass Sunstein said. "We wanted him to join the faculty full-time at various different junctures. That's not a trivial fact. . . . If we want to hire someone, the faculty has to think they're tremendous. But he liked political life."

News Clintonites could use:
PHILADELPHIA, March 30 (UPI) -- U.S. presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama is reporting $10 million more in Pennsylvania campaign donations than his Democratic rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton.

Obama collected donations from 162,286 Pennsylvania voters, compared to Clinton's 95,415, netting the Illinois senator $31.7 million compared to Clinton's $22 million in February, The Philadelphia Inquirer said Sunday.

Patsi said snarkyly, "By the way, Doots....Hilary's Bosnia lie doesn't even compare to Obama saying he wasn't aware that Wright ever gave those speeches. I don't give a crap about what Wright said. But your Saviour saying he didn't know is a flat lie...just one of many lies. (Please genuflect when you type His name each time, by the way.)"

Sr Horsedooty said, "So, one can lie and the other can't, come on Patsi, Double standard if you ask me. You can come up with something better than that. Remember Bear's thoughts about if this was a job interview and it sorta is and you get caught with a whopper lie like that, you don't get the job. So, excuse me now as the sniper fire is starting to pick up again and I need to keep my head down and run for the building"

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

fix the problem. It went bankrupt. lol She was there aparently to put lipstck on a pig.. No wonder she was brought in to HRC campaign..roflmao

Clinton voters are the hardest hit by the economic turndown.

Must be nice having predatory lenders as your finance director,

Not all sub-prime lenders are bad. So quit the feeding frenzy.

Moreover, they are necessary to make sure people can get money to buy home.

The problem with the industry was GREED. It happened with technology, oil, S & L's, etc.

We don't need to damn the whole industry - we just have to make sure greed does not trump proper underwriting standards. (Also remember when you see these statistics - not all foreclosures are kicking people out on the streets. At least some of those foreclosures are based on real estate speculators who were doing the "buy and flip" strategy championed by the 2 a.m. infomercials....)

Both America and Americans - need to quit spending money we don't have!! The entire country, including Washington, needs to get better with money management.

Obama backers

Pritzker predatory lender company also went out of business but she did nothing to reform it or save jobs

Williams new code of lending and repayment and trying to save jobs

Off to clean up my apt. before poker. Have fun peeps and try not to slit anyone's throat.

You Annon's are seriously ruining this blog for everyone else. Why don't you stop the bickering and then slamming and post links for factual Data that everyone can take part in too.

...stepping back into the darkness>>>>>>

You Annon's are seriously ruining this blog for everyone else.

Let me know when your name is Craig Crawford

This doesn't sound like good money management:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9259.html

(good ole "Washington experience" - combined with a lack of experience in the "real world" - at least recently).

Can't wait till we see those tax returns to see just how far from the "real world" they have been. (Tell Wolfson to break out his "Romney material"!!! Hah! ; )

Quit spending money? Are you insane? Consumer confidence (proven by continued spending) is the only thing that keeps it all from collapsing. Didn't you see that episode of Monty Python with the rickety, high-rise building that started to collapse as soon as the residents started to question its stability? I'll bet you didn't clap for Tinkerbell when her fairie light was going out, either.

"(And Wendy. Didn't you get the memo from LL? I thought we were going to play nice...oh well. There will be plenty of time for that later - whoever wins.)"

Warren...what are you talking about?

about clinton's tax returns''' she is a smart politician
if there was anything damaging there she would have
already released them early in the campaign
took the hit and done damage control
she wants obama to make a big fuss about'' then
boom'' nothing''
remember the white house schedule documents

Warren - this is for you from the last thread this morning - a little reminder of what really goes on and you turn a blind eye to. Go send a memo to your friends on the Obama side:

[begin quote]
Just for the record

Yesterday the first name calling (bully) was done by an Obama supporter

and today the first name calling (stupid) was done by an Obama supporter

If anyone is keeping score

;-)

Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | March 30, 2008 12:00 PM
[end quote]

FWIW, the only "change" I see from Obama is that he has successfully turned Democrats into Republicans as exhibited by the vitriol from Obama supporters on this blog.

BTW, it's interesting that Obama supporters are always taking other people to task for "attacking" them. You certainly take orders from your leader whom
often appears thin-skinned when the negativity his campaign spews daily gets volleyed back at him.

Obamaworld and the candidate himself better develop a tougher skin for the GE. They're going to need it.

"...is about to come crashing down around the ears of Barack ..."

May post the link to this later - I'll take plenty of "HEAT" for doing so, but that's OK.

My post looked correct when I previewed it.

But I'm sure HRC had something to do with it looking that way since she is the cause of all evil in this world. Ooops! I almost forgot Bill Clinton's zipper. Can't flame Hillary without mentioning that.

people don't take kindly to being called uneducated
white hillbilly rascist just because they work for
a living'' and don't support obama
hell i'll vote for mccain just for spite

mqw: Please don't vote for McCain. Our country cannot risk any more right-wing wackos being appointed to the Supreme Court.

"Walking into our conference room, not knowing what to expect (or even, perhaps, expecting the worst), took courage and confidence. Not many politicians have political or personal courage today, so it was refreshing to see her exhibit both.

Sen. Clinton also exhibited an impressive command of many of today's most pressing domestic and international issues. Her answers were thoughtful, well-stated, and often dead-on.

Particularly regarding foreign policy, she identified what we consider to be the most important challenges and dangers that the next president must confront and resolve in order to guarantee our nation's security. Those include an increasingly hostile Russia, an increasingly powerful China and increasing instability in Pakistan and South America...

...I have a very different impression of Hillary Clinton today than before last Tuesday's meeting -- and it's a very favorable one indeed."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_559659.html

Quit spending money? Are you insane? Consumer confidence (proven by continued spending) is the only thing that keeps it all from collapsing. Didn't you see that episode of Monty Python with the rickety, high-rise building that started to collapse as soon as the residents started to question its stability? I'll bet you didn't clap for Tinkerbell when her fairie light was going out, either.----BlueNdallas
BND,
The University of Michigan 6 month future Consumer confidence Index is 49, the lowest since 1973.
Some Repubicans will accuse Dems of been alarmist but the S hasn't hit the fan quite yet. We have some ways to go before that happens.

G-man,

All that, Obama a Muslim wolf in Christian wool, is a pile a crap only you and Maxtrue want everyone to believe.

people don't take kindly to being called uneducated
white hillbilly rascist just because they work for
a living'' and don't support obama
hell i'll vote for mccain just for spite - mqw

It's funny you should say this, I don't like it when they say this either. I know plenty of white professionals who are not racist that wont vote Obama because they do not think he is best qualified for the job.

Ever notice no one ever DARES to call any voting group uneducated urban black racists?

That's much better, Wendy!, putting up a positive article about HClinton by Tribune publisher Richard Mellon Scaife, with links where one can access her interview remarks in greater depth.

Sheila, Dog...

I agree the anonymous posting is out of control, and I've put out several pleas to regulars here for weeks to refrain from doing it -- no matter how funny or clever or timely a fake name like "nixon's ghost" or "oops i forgot" or "you still here?" might seem at the time. Trust the rest of us. It's not really that funny, and it degrades the discussion because the rest of us don't know who the hell we're dealing with. The joke has not only jumped the shark, but been eaten and crapped out by the shark.

So I'd like to be able to assume that the ones still doing it are totally drive-bys who will be here today, gone tomorrow. But, like you, I wish they'd stop too.

--Lardass

That's mah boy, John.

Ever the diplomat. :-)

tt

Dog...I'm glad my latest post meets with your approval.

Dog: Are you joking? Just look at any pro-Obama post on this blog.

As was pointed out up-thread, any thing a certain "someone" posts is always mean-spirited and calls the intelligence of those that support the other candidate into question.

I don't mind political debate, but the underlying position of those that support Senator Obama is that the other side is stupid for not seeing the Senator as they do. If someone has the audacity to criticize him (which is the only way that pro Obama people can speak of Senator Clinton) that person will surely be insulted or subjected to name-calling.

If you review pro-Obama posts you will see that while defending Senator Obama and presenting information, facts, cites etc. the information is always followed up with some sort of snarky comment directed at either Senator Clinton or those that support her.

The nature of political campaigns is that candidates are passionately supported by those that intend to vote for them. I get that. What I don't understand is all the hatred that is being directed at Hillary Clinton, her family, and those that think she is the better candidate.

If you can't see that, I'm sorry.

Wendy!: it did. It beat anything put up by a slurrogate.

Those include an increasingly hostile Russia, an increasingly powerful China and increasing instability in Pakistan and South America...Wendy
Wendy,
Repeat that to Maxtrue , principal cheerleader for Bush's Foreign Policy successes.
Even CIA Director Gen. Hayden is voicing concerns about the Pakistan/Afghan border situation.
Include for Maxtrue Sadr and Maliki performing that well choreographed "Musharaff Dance".
They all speak to the foreign policy genius of Max's crowd!

Rezdog-----------------------

What is the truth? How do any of us know? Do you still believe in MSM? Only the naive trust corporate media - sometimes they slip up and it is easy to spot the lie. But most people don't really pay close attention to the news and accept what they see, hear, and read.

lets have a national discussion about race
but we won't talk about the crack epidemic
gang violence''''black on black crime''' teenage pregnacies'''children being born with no fathers carjackings'' jails full off young black men
lets talk about personal responsibility'' every body
being equal''
haven't heard obama address any of these problems
i guess he fixed all that in chicago
must be a regular utopia around there

The "political" discussion that occupied the second half of MTP this morning was the usual blather which has a half-life of about 15 minutes.

But I thought the first half with Hayden was pretty excellent and newsworthy. I mean, the guy is like the pleasant, Rotary Club version of Dick Cheney. Which, such a paradox is possible, makes him even scarier than Cheney.

I also think it's enjoyable to watch so-called "principals" like Hayden who actually have keen intellects and expertise chew up and spit out the Russerts and other poseurs of the world without breaking a sweat. I mean, Russert wasn't even able to press Hayden or make him stumble on anything. Hayden had all the answers right there, ready to spit out -- almost as if he had the questions in advance.

It makes you realize that what we're watching most of the time on cable TV news is amateurs just shouting at each other. It might as well be the corner bar. And what they are talking about is SO FAR DIVORCED from the reality that's taking place, it's pathetic.

Dog: Another point ... I'm here because ALL the places I frequented in the blogosphere are inhospitable for Clinton supporters (or Clintonistas - a term that is thrown around here all the time).

I find it very amusing that those in Obama's camp have left this blog for other climates. They certainly have their pick of places to land.

Craig Crawford is a lone voice in the wilderness and that is why I am here. He is not a shill, but since the entire left/progressive blogosphere is "totally in the tank for Obama" - anyone that even attempts to be even-handed is branded a HRC supporter. That's how bad the political coverage of the Dem primary has become.

If any pundit dares to say something positive about Senator Clinton -- Obama supporters decry that they can only be a shill for her. Does that really enhance the political discourse? I think not.

Craig wasn't far off the mark when he suggested that the media needs an intervention for their hysterical anti-Clinton coverage. It is truly a pandemic.

GaKaren:

:-D

Well said. I do still plan to criticize Obama.

I believe I take a balanced approach.

I post commentary and links to items that support my view of Hillary.

AND

I post commentary and links to items that support my view of Obama.

I don't plan to stop doing either just because I got a pat on the head by an Obama supporter.

I hope Obama supporters read the article but more importantly viewed the video answers.

Because there actually is not much here, is there?

Maybe the misperception was yours?
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/clintons-tortured-path-to-vict.html#comment-60376

LL: Russert has become so intellectually lazy and dishonest he can only engage in "gotcha" scenarios while interviewing his guests. It has really taken him off his game. At one time he did add something to political discussion but that train has certainly left the station. What passes for political commentary today is terrifying.

It was just a couple of months ago that Wolf and Tweety were commenting on how amazed they were that the economy is the issue Americans care about and that immigration was way down the list of concerns. They need to get out of the beltway once in awhile ... and we wonder why Congress is out of touch.

G-man,

"What is the truth? How do any of us know?"-GORDO

I can cynical and as skeptical as most, but I think you take the cake. jmo

KGC: Thanks! : )

Dog's question was pretty remarkable in itself. I didn't cite any post in particular because there are so many to choose from! Thank you for your effort, it is greatly appreciated.

Yikes KGC! That "be damned" post last night scared me off to bed!! Why'd ya have to go and post it again?? ;-)

GAKaren

Consider it payback for telling us about the bumpersticker "Jesus would slap the sh-t out of you."
I have told that story to a lot of people and everyone loves it.

Sorry LL

I should have posted a warning for those who have already seen it.

KGC: LOL That bumpersticker is my absolute favorite!

I so want to put it on my car! Just don't feel like ending up in a ditch.

GAKaren...I lost all respect for Russert a few months ago when MTP landed Karl Rove as a guest for what basically amounted to his first substantive interview after leaving the Bush White House (this was back before Rove was going on TV everywhere). This "coming out" interview was really a moment that could have made news -- and Rove could really have been made to answer lots of questions about the disastrous administration that he helped lead.

Instead, Russert couldn't be bothered to haul his Buffalo-sized ass back in from vacation to do the interview. So they let David Gregory do it. And Rove handled Gregory like he was the correspondent from "The Weekly Reader." It was totally disappointing. And the moment was lost.

Of course now, Rove is busy marketing himself as this cuddly Teddy Bear who just jokes about his horrible reputation -- as if it weren't based on reality. At a speech at GWU a couple days ago, he was so cute joking about how his "horns and tail are retractable." And all the Young Repugs in the audience ate it up.

Dog & GAKaren,

Things have been generally calm, so I wouldn't dwell on our rudeness quotient today, but there is still some here. Not counting anyone from my home state, I'd say I may have read two personal insults from the Hillary camp and either one or zero from Obama supporters. (I didn't read everything, but I've stopped by several times today, so I'm kind of up to date. As a further disclaimer, I don't bother reading the various anonymous entries and seldom read the overly long entries. So any insults there were, and will remain, well below my radar.)

We have several posters, who have proven themselves knowledgable and enjoyable. I read them and skip over the rest. I may occasionally miss some valuable information, but I'm betting I'm not missing much.

That's okay KGC. Last night, I compared it to something uttered by Piper Laurie in the movie "Carrie" ...but, like the movie, it wasn't NEARLY as scary the second time around. So I'm okay. LOL.

It wasnt cheap.....it was inexpensive.......

Besides KGC , I thought that post was actually pretty funny.

Hey Corey...did you read that link I posted last night on the new "Whopper Bars" that Burger King is going to be rolling out soon?

Here is an example of what Hillary Clinton has done as a US Senator to make a difference in every day people's lives:

Joe Ward – Son has ALD and needed a bone marrow transplant – their insurance would not cover it. They could not afford the $300,000-$400,000 price tag. The hospital initially said they would not absorb the cost even at their doctors urging.

After reading about the family’s story in the newspaper, Hillary’s office called to find out the details. The next day, the hospital called to say the insurance issue was resolved and the hospital would absorb the cost. Joe Wald: “How do you thank someone for saving your child’s life?”

dog

Perhaps s bretter question is where is the sliming and insutls from the Clinton supporters that you allege?

Here is an example of what Barack Obama has done as an elected official:

"It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building.

Obama has been friends with Rezko for 17 years. . ."

You would think he would have told his friend of 17 years to turn the heat back on. If Hillary can make a call...why couldn't Obama make a call?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.article

Sorry...here is the part of the quote that should have been first on the Rezko article:

"For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side."

This will be my last comment on the individuals in the C-List Nomination Wars, but I can't resist.

LLib,

Bad analogy; Michael & Scottie made valuable contributions to the Bulls success.

LL , Burger King now has ketchup and fries potato chips in vending machines as well.

dog

You have your view of who is allowed to be counted as an Obama supporter and I have asked you to show me the insults and slime from Clinton supporters.

I hven't watched msgop for months. Here's what it looks like to me. You and others want to post whatever about Clinton and Obama with no responses allowed. Maybe you can ask Craig to set aside the first five minutes of every hour and you can post and no one will be allowed to respond to it.

Dog: For clarification, the strategy employed by the Obama campaign which involves trashing Bill Clinton's legacy has created an atomosphere that relies heavily on right-wing talking points that dominated the political discourse of the 90's.

I am appalled that Obama and his supporters use this garbage from Hannity, Rush, Beck, Boortz etc. against another Democrat. It is also the reason that I will hold my nose when I am eventually forced to vote for Obama because I sure as hell am not voting for McCain.

John Kerry is a total ass and I'm glad he wasn't elected.

THERE I feel much better. :-)

"and then come here and bash all Obama supporters"

The accusations have gotten out of control

Please provide some evidence of preemptive Clinton snipes.

As I pointed out...the personal attacks and name calling of other individualson this blog the last two days were kicked off by Obama supporters.

Going after one of the candidates...to me...is fair game. I don't complain when Karolenna calls HRC a B$*#H-I just scroll to the next post.

Rezko and Obama saga

(Obama groupies are afraid to watch the video.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R-RBNxr73s

dog

How is Wendy's post slime? The newspaper article lists the facts.

Jamie:

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!

I know...I sometimes wonder why I stayed up all night on election night 2004 having a panic attack over his demise...what a waist.

The one who's run a largely positive and inspiring campaign.

Dog that's one of the things which is in debate.....someone posted a link this morning, BowmanC I believe which cast that into question, the largely positive and inspiring part.....

GORDO

Thanks...I was looking for that clip and couldn't find it.

You should all watch. Definitely is an example of how Obama chose to use his office to help (I mean not help) people vs. how Hillary used her office to help (and I have more examples if you'd like me to post them) people.

EdVB. LOL.
But if "basketball" were "vitriol", my analogy holds!

Wendy: I find your posts informative and enjoyable. When it comes to slime ... we're pikers compared to Obama and his ilk.

Once again they brand themselves as those on the high road while they slime Hillary Clinton and her family any chance they get.

Hey, this is politics, it is down and dirty but don't pretend to be something you're not, Senator Obama. "You're slimy enough, Barack."

REminder, John Adams is on tonight.

Thanks, Jamie, will have to rely on Tivo tonight.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/currents/20080330_Obama_was_the_first_to_play_the_race_card.html

Corey...yuk! Something about french fries being made in a vending machine just grosses me out.
But I guess I could get on board with the ketchup thing, even though it strikes me as nickel-and-diming people for a basic condiment.

Jamie,

Thanks. I knew I've had a problem with Senator Kerry lately, and I think you've described it pretty well. In the past months, I've gotten several emails from Kerry asking for financial support for candidates he endorses, including Senator Obama. For some reason each request bothered me a little more.

Most recently, he wanted $$$ for a couple of candidates because they are veterans of "Bush's War." I understand language like that plays well with some voters. Just not with me. They get points for being veterans, but I'll need to know a little more than that.

dog

I think the world of you. I know people on both sides would like to hear more about your experiences on the campaign trail.

Not just you, but I think there is entirely too much time spent on who should be posting and how. Just post and ignore the posters you don't want to have anything to do with.

"Cash-strapped Clinton fails to pay bills"

Hey Wendy,

Are you chipping on your girl again?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9259.html

Dog's Eye

Let me break it down for you:

Who should we want to be our nominee:

The person who connects with people in their time of need and helps them through tough situations...the person who people say saved either their life or their child's life?

or

the guy who was friends with Rezko for 17 years, Rezko, who took tax payer money to fix up the buildings...yet...he never did and then turned the heat off...11 of those buildings in Obama's district. Obama shrugs and says, "I didn't know."

If Obama DID know then he's a slime bag...if he didn't know then he's not doing his job.

Break it down and it's a pretty easy choice.

It's not sliming if one is just pointing to facts. Truth hurts.

sixty mins. doing a story on the german guy who was rendered and tortured by the CIA.........

murat kurnaz......very strong story

Rez:

As a matter of fact yes...I give regularly

I'm one of those "small donors" as Dog's eye pointed out.

See Obama getting all the credit for something he shouldn't again.

:-D

785 comments

but how many were from Karolenna :)))))

"Just post and ignore the posters you don't want to have anything to do with."

Agreed KGC..

You're at your best when you cloak anon:) lol

There Goes Camelot

"Obama had to finally admit that when it comes to John F. Kenney and his father, OOPS applies.

Contrary to Obama's claims in speeches in January at American University and in Selma last year, the Kennedy family did not provide the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama's father. According to historical records and interviews with participants, the Kennedys were first approached for support for the program nearly a year later, in July 1960. The family responded with a $100,000 donation, most of which went to pay for a second airlift in September 1960.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton acknowledged yesterday that the senator from Illinois had erred in crediting the Kennedy family with a role in his father's arrival in the United States. He said the Kennedy involvement in the Kenya student program apparently "started 48 years ago, not 49 years ago as Obama has mistakenly suggested in the past." ... ..

http://taylormarsh.com/

Dog's eye

She is talking about a very real strategy by the Obama campaign to trash Bill Clinton's legacy and Hillary Clinton's character.

Even though you don't participate in it doesn't mean the Obama camp isn't doing it. They most certainly are.

Again...there are some links earlier in the day that go to this point and the Joe Wilson HuffPo from the other day also lists some very good evidence of Obama's "far from positive" campaign strategy.

GORDO: You can't quote taylormarsh.com just like I can't quote Karolena or he who shall not be named. : )

LOL Wendy,

I'm old and married, but when I was running around, one of my girlfriends use to ask me "if I was chipping on her", meaning two-timing. Hence, I was suggesting that you're not giving to Hill, since she's needing more.

"Dog: She should be doing better among Dems"

Then who IS voting for Hillary Clinton? In all honesty, Senator Obama should be doing better with Democratic voters.

Saying that he will lose in November is not the same as calling him a dreadful creature.......

Just saw Rachel Maddow on Countdown. And to think , I was right outside her office door nearly 2 years ago. Of course , she wasn't in at the time...but still!

I wonder if the media will spend the week analyzing if Obama "misspoke" or whether it was a calculated campaign lie to tie himself in some sort of special twist of fate to Kennedy's Camelot in effect taking on the JFK persona.

Does anyone want to take bets on how many days we replay the misstatement in a loop and parse every word and analyse whether is was a misstatement or a lie...and if it is part of a larger pattern of lying. If he lied about his connection to the Kennedy's well then what else is he lying about?

My prediction...Mika, Matthews Olbermann and the others tomorrow will all say..."I take him at his word that he misspoke". And it will be over.

Gordo

If you actually read what was posted by others rather than just cut and paste from Taylor Marsh, you would know that the Kennedy information with links to the actualy news articles has already been posted multiple times since yesterday.

Wendy: I have mentioned several times in the recent several days that the smearing of the Clinton legacy is probably the biggest obstacle I will face when it comes time to support Obama in the general. This is going to be a very difficult reconcilliation for me.

Wendy: Don't hold your breath ... LOL

Then who IS voting for Hillary Clinton? In all honesty, Senator Obama should be doing better with Democratic voters.

Posted by: GAKaren | March 30, 2008 7:45 PM

GAKaren: Exactly. Obama has not closed the deal with his own party. If he had, this thing would be over. I believe that most people in our own party aren't buying what he is selling. And the more the Obama camp alienates Clintonistas, the worse he is making it for himself in the general. Catch a clue dude.

"Nothing comparable to what's come out so far about Hillary, or might in the general."

Dog's eye...I provided a link with some quotes to back up my claim. If you want people to take you seriously...you should do the same.

Remember the Republican's spent over $80 million dollars trying to get something on the Clintons and they came up with what . . . nothing. They caught Bill Clinton cheating and they got NOTHING on Hillary. $80 million TAX PAYER dollars and they got NOTHING.

So what is it that's come out about Hillary that is supported by facts or evidence? Please provide links if you have them. I'm willing to take a look.

And BTW she has won the "Democratic" vote in almost every primary...so she's doing just dandy with Democrats.

Wendy

Maybe we should send emails to all the MSNBC shows to see if maybe they might mention these details.

Gordo, I agree with Jamie. You need to shape up.

If your posts are now going to be factored in with the rest of ours in measurements of the so-called "Clinton vitriol" on this board, then we're going to start demanding that you meet higher standards of transparency and sincerity.

Up to now, I've just thought of you as sort of an orbiting spaceship beaming down random messages from the depths of the Cosmarsh. But now...I think we're at the part of the movie where the spaceship needs to land in a quiet suburb and the green, one-eyed aliens need to walk down the ramp and start talking to the humans!

GORDO, reveal yourself!!!

Jamie-----------------

Why such hostility toward TM? Obama supporters can't be reminded often enough - they are in a fantasy world.

Ally wrote: "This is going to be a very difficult reconciliation for me."

Me too...but Hillary's plea the other day has made this household take a pause regarding the general election if he is the nominee. I'm hoping things will work out for the best (Hillary gets the nomination) and we won't have to worry about it.

Jamie wrote: "Maybe we should send emails to all the MSNBC shows to see if maybe they might mention these details."

To be fair, I don't want them to just mention it...I want the to OBSESS about it and WRING THEIR HANDS over it for an entire week.

That's if they wanted to give fair and balanced coverage anyway.

:-D

Gordo

"Why such hostility toward TM? " The hostility wasn't towards Ms. Marsh. The remark was airmed at you. How can you expect us to do you the courtesy of reading your material if you pay so little attention to ours?

Now if the source of your income is cross posting Taylor Marsh articles to drive up her Google numbers then let us know and we can ignore you entirely.

Dog's eye - if you go over to opensecrets.org you will find that both candidates get a majority of their money from "individual donors" and BOTH also take special interest money.

For example...Obama has now pulled ahead of both Hillary and McCain in campaign contributions from the financial special interests including: securities and investments and commercial banks. In fact, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase & Co, Lehman Brothers and Citigroup Inc all appear in his "top contributors" category. You know...that's the same group he said was responsible for our economic and housing meltdown in his speech this week. They may be responsible for the countries economic meltdown but they sure are doing their part to make sure Obama's campaign isn't melting down.

To be fair...they're helping Hillary too just not as much as Obama.

:-D

Point is...he gets his money from the EXACT same sources she gets her money. They are both pulling in a lot of small donor money and they are both pulling in a lot of special interest money.

He's not special.

Thanks re opensecrets. Will give that a cruise.

Dog's eye...what you don't have one of those little scrolling wheels on your mouse to scroll back up the page...let me help you.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/lfrom-the-gospel-of-john.html#comment-60679

and if you missed what I was comparing this too it was this post

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/lfrom-the-gospel-of-john.html#comment-60676

Comparing how Hillary chooses to help people as a public servant to how Obama only wants to himself and his friends.

Jamie-----------------------

I've noticed that you seem to "blow a gasket" when I post from or link to TM. Maybe you are unaware of this, but it happens. There must be something going on to cause such a reaction to TM.

"My contention has always been that it is going to take more than registered Dems -- or GOP -- to win this next election. You need to attract crossover vote too.

He is more likely to do so"

Not in Missouri, he did quite well in the primary, as I noted at the time, but now he is down in "no chance of recovery" territory 38% compared to McCain at 52%. His hard run to the left has hurt him. Ohio looks similar.
It doesn't look good for him in the fall.

Jack

You'll recognise that "he is more likely to do so" is purely a judgement call.....the other side could be completely expected to (and does) make quite the opposite claim, and with every right and al mismo facts upon which to base the claim.......

"Patsi said snarkyly, "By the way, Doots....Hilary's Bosnia lie doesn't even compare to Obama saying he wasn't aware that Wright ever gave those speeches. I don't give a crap about what Wright said. But your Saviour saying he didn't know is a flat lie...just one of many lies. (Please genuflect when you type His name each time, by the way.)"
Sr Horsedooty said, "So, one can lie and the other can't, come on Patsi, Double standard if you ask me. You can come up with something better than that. Remember Bear's thoughts about if this was a job interview and it sorta is and you get caught with a whopper lie like that, you don't get the job. "

So, Doots....you are saying that neither gets the job because they are both liars.

e'en that or lies get a free ride all around........

otherwise sometimes alluded to as "Politics as Usual"

Drat.....if i had that book here, (i just moved) i could look up the consarned rule......anyone can help with that rule number?

"Time for John Adams, anyone else been watching the series?"

I read the book

Jack

The uncomfortable truth is that the economic recovery package will be financed substantially by SWFs( sovereign wealth funds) from China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE etc.
For there recklessness, Repugs should be sentenced to the political wilderness.
I say use the Rockefeller Law as sentencing guide...mandatory 24 years.

DOg:

Obama Judgement ...

Judgement - Rezko Bad one

Judgement - J Wright Bad one

Judgement - No aghanistan Hearings as Committee chairman - not a one Bad judgement
Better pick another attribute - jusgement is not one of his best..
The list goes on

Julie

I did see that movie yesterday about Disraeli and Victoria and that scottish bloke.....very nice.......along with "until this day I did not know that it was.....Barzini all along."

The best thing I saw (and heard) all day...GW Bush was just roundly, substantially and thoroughly booed while throwing out the first pitch at tonights Nationals home opening game. YESSSSS.
~G

Sturgeone

No one told me rules books had been handed out.
This is not the first time I have found out after the fact
there were a bunch of rules the other guys knew about.

Have you read any Ross Thomas? Mostly written in the mid sixties and although a bit dated still good.
http://www.mostlyfiction.com/spy-thriller/thomas.htm

Gordo

There is no "blowing a gasket about it". I stated very clearly my objections to your posting. You don't read what others write. You post information that has already been posted and you do it without using anything of yourself just cut and paste. We all know how to locate her website. Last word on the subject. If you are on her payroll, congratulations. It just means you can be totally ignored unless you would like to pass along the info on how to be so gainfully employed so that we all can dash around being paid for being useless.

I was first hipped to Ross Thomas (I sometimes refer to him as Thomas Ross.....just to test the waters....) by a kid who died the other day after his never having had a real whatcha'd call job, and having attended college as a history major for most of the adult part of his 58 or so years, and having never left from living at his parents' house on Charlotte Street.....he gives a great recipe for boiled coffee in the book about the california beach town........

The University of Chicago Law School doesn't think it is a lie. They said he can be called a Law Professor so I am gonna go with that. There is video proof that there were no sniper fire in Bosnia when the First Lady and her daughter got off the aircraft, I would have to say that Senator Clinton told a lie and then retold it several times until she had to confront the truth that there was no sniper fire and there was a greeting ceremony on the tarmac. It had a little girl reading a poem. In her book she got the facts straight there, but I have to assume that to make herself look more ready for Commander In Chief, she decided to float that story. She got caught. She lied to you and me. Simple as that. If you choose not to see there ain't jack shit" I can do to make you see it.

Horsedooty:

What about his Kennedy airlift lie...oops I mean...misstatement?

Thomas gives the recipe, not the kid who lived on charlotte street with his mom in downtown charleston.....ross thomas is A-1 fiction........out on the rim, all the fools in town.....etc

Sturgeone

I love the all his books but especially the ones about local politics. He certainly can turn a phrase.

Either you support Obama or Clinton or McCain. It appears to me that no one here is actually here to change their own mind, just maybe the mind of someone else.

So good luck !

I have already voted - it is out of my hands. And one other item, there are no hall monitors here, speak your mind !

as a casual observer i can see there is no common
ground between the obama and clinton camps
obama can't win the general election
clinton can't be nominated without the party coming
apart at the seams
best thing for clinton to do is finish out the primaries
building on her resume' for 2012
and get out of the way of the democratic train wreck
that will take place in november

jerry clower told about the big perfessor who went about the country giving a speech which the chauffer noticed after awhile was the same speech night after night.......so as they pulled away one day from the gig, the chauffer being a little more familiar by now with the proff says, "You know Perfessor......you've given the same speech every night......I think that I could give that speech every bit as good as you do by this time......"
The professor says....."Well, Ok, Hotshot.....suppose next town we exchange places and clothes and we'll just see if that's so...."

So they did and the Chauffer goes up on stage and after a shakey start proceeds to give a rip roaring barn burner of a speech......by the end the studi are on their feet and screaming......
Then after the crowd gets quiet he asks for questions from the floor like the professor does after every speech......this one smart alecky kid stands up and reads a 3 minute discourse with a question mark at the end.........The chauffer is like a statue for a second or two and then says, "Mr Student.....that is a STUPID question......It's just about the STUPIDEST question I've ever heard in all my days of speech giving.......and to prove how STUPID a question it is......I'm going to let my CHAUFFER in the back of the audience answer it for you."

This primary election season has been grueling for the candidates.

Do you really thing the Hillary would even want to do this again in 4 years?

I don't think she would. At some point in time, she will realize that life is way too short for all this bull shit.

and the chauffeur answered: "great question. Many times when I am asked that question it reminds me of why I am in this race. I believe that we need to bring people together , to see a change in America. It's time to say good-bye to politics as usual. It time for change. We can do it, yes we can."

KGC,

i just read someone thinks JB is hinting at the Govenator's job.
Any likelihood and what's his chances?

Never mind Gordo. Feel free to do nothing but be an echo.

Narcissistic Pathology of Everyday Life: The Denial of Remorse and Gratitude
(reprinted with persmission, Contempory Psychoanalysis, volume 26, #3, July 1990, pp. 430-451)

Nancy McWilliams, Ph.D.
Stanley Lependorf, Ph.D.

http://www.ippnj.org/mcwilliams1.html

George------------------------

Do you really believe that only Repubs criticize Obama? Who are all those people voting for Hillary? Some of us see Obama to be a con man who has been promoted and protected by MSM.

republicans are people too

Jamie
Now you've got trolls on both sides attacking you, LOL

Jack

"republicans are people too"

LOL

I would say some of my best friends are Republican.

But I don't have any friends, not even a Republican.
;-0

Jack

9/11 that was interesting, however, I have to admit my eyes started crossing toward the end.

I feel the need to say thank you, or I'm sorry.

jk : )

Rez

The State Demcratic Convention was this weekend and he was skulking around. The bad news is compared to other candidates he looks good. He was a better governor then mayor. He was a terrible mayor
although Dellums is giving him a run for his money,

I always liked from far away.;)

liked him...

liked him...

I am related to some republicans, but they aren't really my friends. I do believe they could actually be humans.

Rez

I thought he was a good governor and he was another pol marginalized by a snotty media. He was a terrible mayor because it's not a glam job and very hard work and very little media coverage. On the other hand he is doing a good job as attorney general. I would rather have him than Arnold for sure.

KGC

Jerry Brown?

If so

For me, he fits in the same category as Dennis Kucinich. They were both someone I supported back there in my youth that now, as a much older type person, I can't understand why
Must have been good drugs.
I do remember some of those amoung other enjoyable youthful indescretions.

Jack

This episode of John Adams was excellent. The story of John Q's relationship with Mary Frazier broken up by his parents has passed into myth, but his eventual marriage to Katherine Johnson was pretty much a disaster.

http://www.britannica.com/presidents/article-133

Jack

Yes. He is California's attorney general now. And now thinking about running for governor again.

He should be in the Senate but the medfly did him in.
He is a career office holder and for the most part has done a good job.

I remember why I tie the two together, They would both go on Tom Snyder's show, that came on after midnight.
Both were young and outragous. It was late and yep I was probably stoned or drunk. That is one show that no one has been able to replace. I miss Tom

Jack

Both were young and outragous

yup.

Fear and Loathing in South Carolina out on one of the sea Islands perhaps I'll take that 12 and 1/2 foot marina boat out and see if the creek shall be able to stand me.....

The Creek is a Lonely Hunter

For a time things on the island are civil, all the boys work toward building shelters, gathering food and water, and generally surviving. The one goal which constantly gets sidelined is keeping the signal fire going as some of the boys, the 'hunters', led by Jack focus their energy on hunting the wild pigs on the island. The children's belief in a Beast on the island also creates a problem. The children begin to split into two groups, based on the existence of the beast. Ralph attempts to disprove the existence of the beast while Jack exploits the belief in the beast to encourage his group of 'hunters'.

Jack soon forms a separate tribe from Ralph's. Jack gains defectors from Ralph's tribe by promising them meat from hunting, fun, and most importantly protection from the beast. Jack's tribe gradually becomes more savage and they adopt face paint. Jack and his tribe of 'hunters' eventually murder of one of the other boys, Simon. They then raid Ralphs camp, attacking the non-hunters in order to steal Piggy's glasses in order to make a cooking fire.

woops......that was wikipedia's "LORD OF THE FLIES" excerpt

SJ Lee on Fox saying she was getting booed by her constituents in her hometown. She'll probably have a new challenger next time out. Too bad, because I bet she's been good for her district.

the politics of self-destruction
obama the great uniter
doing a great job there baracky

mqw,

He hasn't criticized her, in fact, recently included her at some function he was involved with.

Some one here was wondering out loud recently.

"New Backing for Obama As Party Seeks Unity"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120692054573175525.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

I know SJ Lee and she is unwavering in her support of HRC.
Will she be challenged in a primary? I doubt it
Most of her constituents may not agree with her endorsement but they respect her quality of representation.
She is like Maxine Waters.

Carville seems a bit frantic. He should take Bill's advice and "relax."

He should also start listening to Obama instead of his surrogates. I am sure you Clinton supporters would not want me attributing Carville's statements (or some of the posters in here) to Hillary.

et tu Brutus?

(I am glad Richardson made the decision he thought was best instead basing his endorsement on political favors, loyalties and cronyism. That is exactly the kind of "status-quo politics" that got us into trouble with Bush.)

blue:

"Quit spending money? Are you insane?"

I said people should quit spending money they don't have. People who have money - can and do spend it on whatever they want. The super-rich often piss away money in a manner that makes me very comfortable in giving them a slight tax increase. The rich aren't going to stop spending money. (It is one of the main benefits to being rich!!)

(And I am not sure on the "insane" part . . . I will have to get back to you ; )

It is going to be a great Convention in Denver!!

(And guess what - the GOP is having their Convention near the same airport Larry Craig made infamous. Hah! They are going to get tossed out of the White House on their ass!!)

I know I know - I should not be so overconfident. I know those bastards are going to fight like hell to keep their strangle-hold on the Executive Branch. Especially since they have done everything they can to increase the power of that branch of government.

mqw:

"remember the white house schedule documents"

Yes the ones that confirmed she "mis-spoke" about her support for NAFTA. (I know it is denied by Clinton Loyalists...what else is new.)

Great day for President Clinton in Medford, OR,,

On to two appearances in Portland, one in Salem,and one in Bend Monday.

GAKaren:

"Ooops! I almost forgot Bill Clinton's zipper. Can't flame Hillary without mentioning that."

I am actually surprised at the restraint of the Obama campaign and his supporters (except for a few nuts) with respect to this issue. I know it is a "hot button" issue - but it is a real one for a lot of Middle America. And if HRC gets the nomination is will be a regular GOP talking point, the subject of 527's and maybe even a book or two (and because McCain will stay above the fray and denounce such tactics - it is a double-edged sword that cuts her twice).

Jamie:

"John Kerry is a total ass and I'm glad he wasn't elected.

THERE I feel much better. :-)"

Hah! Sounds like you thought he was a pretty effective advocate for Obama today...I agree. And he got the nomination for a reason. He was good - but the Democrats allowed the GOP to distract America from the issues. We need to get past that sillyness.

(That is why the Dream Team needs to get back to the issues and take McCain and the GOP to task.)

Can I just say that the GOP might be less likely to use zippergate against HRC than her Dem opponents considering McCain is himself rather guilty of similar transgresions?
~g

Wendy:

"If Obama DID know then he's a slime bag...if he didn't know then he's not doing his job."

Clinton's vote to authorize war in Iraq was based on her claim that Bush - the master diplomat that he is - was going to increase "talks" and "inspections" with Saddam - and not rush to war even though the bill gave Bush a blank check - and Clinton also cited Saddam's links to terrorism.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/index.cfm/page/article/id/9412

(Maxtrue - you may want to read this link too.)

So Clinton is either a liar - or she didn't do enough home work (like read the entire NIE perhaps) or she was outsmarted by Bush.

Take your pick.

g:

"Can I just say that the GOP might be less likely to use zippergate against HRC than her Dem opponents considering McCain is himself rather guilty of similar transgresions?"

You can say it - but Sean Hannity, Limbaugh and Evil-Ann will not listen. And McCain's "transgressions" pale in comparison the the scandals of the 90's. Moreover, McCain will play the "hero" card to escape some of the more brutal attacks on this issue.

Warren-
I thought Evil-Ann was supporing HRC ? : )
~g

Warren-
I thought Evil-Ann was supporting HRC ? : )
~g

The coments made were on a dutch tv show here.
was actually nice to see.

Am reading lots of posts form the weekend and some news items online.
Still the audaciity for people to ask Hillary to step down is amazing...
I think the FOX article (dyeez, never thought I would name that as a source) about women in de democratic corps is nice.
Fat pigheaded body jamming silver fox leader of DNC please be aware....

Furthermore,
goooooooooooooooooooooood morning everyone, from the tiny country in Western Europe

Buenas noches.

Si Se Puede!

Looks like there is at least some real news on the way:

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/presidential-contenders-expected-back-for-petraeus-2008-03-29.html

(Can't wait till we get some new polls out of PA. I know how everybody loves polls...thanks for nothing Mark Penn.)

Just donated again to the Clinton campaign....

Does anyone how far from the 3 million goal they are?

Jason-
You and I seem the only ones awake...what comments (no link) on the Dutch show?
!g

LOL..
You just gotta love this Barrack guy. Totally in love with himself....He is really in awe of himself.

Anyway, actually I think Hillary should just step aside and let him go.
That was also a point someone made on that same dutch tv show. Move aside Hillary and let him go....When (and that is not if) he looses in November, you can pick up the pieces and be the frontrunner again. Soemone said that is not going to happen, since she is allready 61. A caller reacted: For God sakes: How old was the iron lady when she was in office....

Anyway,
If I was Hillary I would step aside. The bad thing for us african americans is that we will have to wait another 100 years to get out of this post barrack reverend wright saga.
I don´t know if there are other african americans posting here, but I do want you to assess what this reverend Wright controversy has thrown us as AA back to...

Hmmm

need a hot chocoalte to continue working now....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/lfrom-the-gospel-of-john.html#comment-60784

Jamie: So HBO had it wrong...Abigail , not John, persuaded John Quincy to leave Mary.
I respectfully disagree with you, though; last night's episode was the driest of the lot so far, lacking the humor and punch of previous episodes.
But that HAS to be the real George Washington , out of a time machine, right? What great casting!
Also, I didn't know much at all about Abigail, now I love her.

Hillary Clinton will be younger than McCain is now in 8 years.

(Plus, she eats all those hot peppers : )

I would not rule out another run if HRC does not get the nomination this year.

Hagel refused to say which of the 3 candidates would make the best commander in chief because he did not want to implicitly endorse any candidate.

He said of all three candidates' positions on Iraq - "not enough." But he did openly say he disagrees with McCain.

He also talked about sponsoring the anti-proliferation legislation with Senator Obama. He also said Obama is a bright, agile and intuitive individual.

He said he has not endorsed anyone - and may not. We shall see...

(OK - now I really need to go to bed.)

Jason-
Not AA...but as a person who lived in Chicago for many years and quite aware of Rev Wright's style and goals...I think it's an opening for dialog ...not something that will damage SenatorObama in the long run...polls here say it hasn't.
The idea of HRC standing aside so BO loses is not an option. 4 more years of GOP rule will make the Fall of the Roman Empire look like a cartoon.
~g

Posted by: warren | March 31, 2008 1:11 AM

Hagel says the same thing that Clinton does about Bush and the war so are you calling him a liar and a fool

and he did endorse McCain but apparently has now back away