Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Interesting proposal, Craig. Wonder if FL dem party is considereing it? I doubt it - makes too much sense.

Wow Jack,
That is interesting, they must really dislike Hillary

Wait ! more vote for McC when it's against BHO

Craig:

Obama has grown his support since Jan. 29. I also think HRC announcing she would fly down to FL for a victory party BEFORE the votes were cast had some influence and sounds like campaigning to me.

So - if there is a re-vote - there should be a re-vote. And of course a mail-in vote favors HRC - because many young voters have not even seen a Post Office since the dawn of the internet - but whatever. Obama will still do well.

Jack:

"unbelievable" - exactly - those numbers won't hold.

Pogo:

If Obama does not win PA - then we need a revote.

But I don't seen any way Hillary can continue to make her case without winning in PA. The super D's will go for Obama and we can still seat the MI and FL delegates based on the prior vote.

And I know all you Hillary supporters are skeptical of my ideas because I support Obama - but are you just as skeptical of Carville's or Corzine's ideas?

Ohio is backassward.

From CC's Tampa Bay source:

"Gov. Charlie Crist says the state must run the election,"

Irrespective of BO/HRC support, this will be the bugaboo as I see it. On the surface, it all sounds fair to me. We'll see.

OK, warren, I get it. I just didn't understand that you agreed that a do-over is necessary in MI & FL if Hillary wins PA - actually, we are on the same page on the issue.

Repost from the bottom of last thread. Seems while I was writing my comment a new post got put up so here is the link.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/spitzer-roils-dem-race.html#comment-50349

I just may repost the whole thing if it appears that no one wants to acknowledge the Judges decision.

Take care and have a good day. I need to get back to work.

God Bless.

All hail the queen!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080311/ap_ca/on_the2008_trail

Obama may be the frontrunner - but HRC is still the establishment candidate.

Cannot wait until 4/22 to decide whether to revote.
DNC rules have an end date for the primaries of 6/10..

This is such a mess, in Cleveland we had paper ballots. You fill it out an envelope with your name and information, then complete a separate ballot and stick inside the envelope then into a metal box -like what you see when they are showing election in third world countries.

Now, I heard someone was complaining because the boxes were not handles correctly, not protected, no in the right area...missing....who ever knows.

I do not understand why we can't vote on-line, by Social Security number or a Voter Number or a Driver's License number and a password.

If you can track Spitzer $4300.00 down to a hooker in a certain room on a certain day, cant you track a vote?

kc, you're right, and I think they have to work toward getting a revote before 6/10 set up in the meantime, but if HRC loses PA (a remote possibility at best right now) or drops out, the revote could be dropped - not a good idea, but it could since it wouldn't change the outcome.

KRC:

I thought you were a Clinton supporter - since when do you care about rules. And remember the Clinton mantra - rules were made to be changed.

The later state would disagree but the simplest thing to do is to just revote the same day as PA. It would be the ultimate Super Tuesday and it would finally be a kill or cure moment for the campaign.

BTW happy 311 day, make sure they do you right...

Pogo

Cancel an election? I don't think so.
I wish I could remember who said it, but the mail ballot is a great opportunity for the Florida Democratic Party
and in a purplish state is a great opportunity,

I find Dean's poor mouthing about the Party to be rather odd in a time when Democrats seem to have no trouble raising money. Why doesn't the Democratic Party have more money? This is a great opportunity to build strength in two states important to the Democratic Party.

Warren
you are confused that is the Obama mantra

"I will seat the Florida delegation" (only if I win)
B Obama
And let's change the rules to have requirements for the super delegates B Obama
Any thing that benefits me is ok but the exact same thing for Clinton is wrong and immoral. B Obama

you live in some kind of alternate universe

Thx AP,

I hadn't recalled the MI-Terry McAuliffe flap of 2004.
Doesn't surprise me of the change of heart when your candidate's future is at stake. Typical Clintons!

"Move your primary too early, Terry McAuliffe warned, and Michigan will lose half its delegates to the 2004 Democratic convention.
"The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television," McAuliffe vowed. "I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules."

KGC:

We both live in alternate universes - so get off your moral high ground.

Warren

Do you read your own posts?

Nope that is your job.

In fact, I do read them - and believe it or not - sometimes I actually self-censor myself to try and keep the tone civil.

I starting not to care.

I am suffering from primary fatigue. I actually am thinking, maybe there will be an interesting news story today. Yesterday was interesting.

ha ha haha

kc, this may explain the DNC's cash shortfall -

http://www.facethestate.com/articles/political-cartoon-229-the-dnc-budget

:-{)

Ooooohhhh...maybe Bill could use electro-shock therapy at his new clinic!

Pogo

That's just plain mean :)

kc, yeah, I know, but I...just....couldn't...resist.

If the 2 candidates were to settled on a joint ticket what would the problem be? -just the fact that they despise each other?

-No issues with Fla and Mi
-most likely win the GE
-doesn't divide the party

Does anyone think this will happen?

HI all...i'm working second shift and it's thrown me for a bit of a loop... never know what time it is anymore...

I haven't paid much attention to Spitzer but I did understand that he was in trouble politically before all this came out..

I wonder if Sam Waterston could run?

March 11, I think it was the Eagles who just did their "Hell Freezes Over" tour after a 16 year hiatus. I'd say the timing isn't favorable for such a profound hatchet burying, but then again, I thought Gore won in '00.

lol pogo..everyone but Katherine Newboobs thought Gore won in 00

No matter who wins the General they all still have seats and will be working together.

If McC wins then Hillary and Barack can gaze at each other in their Senate seats and ponder the thought......" I could of been somebody"

March:

I think the candidates will come together once this fight is over - irrespective of the VP issue. They will join forces to make sure the winner gets elected President.

And if Clinton wins - Obama is almost certain to be offered the VP slot - he may very well take it despite his campaign rhetoric.

If Obama wins - it is a little more tricky. Just because she is the epitomy of the politics of old - a partisan fighter that is ready to destroy her political opponenets - and this would conflict with his message of changing the way politics are conducted in Washington. Her ties to lobbyists don't help either (and yes I know all politicians have ties to lobbyists - but she comes with some pretty damning statistics).

Obama's Line on Lobbyists Is Misleading

By Trudy Lieberman , Columbia Journalism Review. Posted February 26, 2008.

Obama claims that he doesn't take money from lobbyists. The truth is, he is as beholden to special interest groups as all of the other candidates.
http://www.alternet.org/election08/77492/

Craig,

How bout doing even more and making it an open primary in Florida? As an Independent, I would have loved to have say in the Democratic process. It would give a good indication as to how Independents could help carry Florida for the Democrats in November.

Thanks.

Can you actually see Hillary on the stump for BHO for President....that is an image that is difficult to fathom.

Despite Rhetoric, Obama Pushed Lobbyists' Interests

Share July 16, 2007 8:00 AM

Justin Rood Reports:

Away from the bright lights and high-minded rhetoric of the campaign trail, Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has quietly worked with corporate lobbyists to help pass breaks worth $12 million.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/despite-rhetori.html

KGC:

Fact - Clinton took more lobbyist money in 2007 than any other politician.

So yes - he's not perfect - but he is better positioned than Mrs. Clinton to make this argument against McCain (who also took more money than Obama).

Obama has also refused PAC money - and Hillary refused to take this pledge despite Edward's request.

Finally, Obama has raised more money through small donors that any candidate in history.

Since it appears that only one person and a new one at that wants to acknowledge that they even read the courts ruling from the link I posted earlier on my comment from the last thread, here it is.

Since many believe I wear a tin foil hat go ahead and skip reading it if you want, but stop blaming Howard Dean for this.

Well it appears that no one has jumped all over me for my comment on the courts dismissing the lawsuit filed over the DNC's sanctions against the seating of Florida Delegates.

Below is the link on the Florida lawsuit brought by Senator Bill Nelson in December 2007 after the DNC sanctioned both Florida and Michigan.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-05-florida-primary_N.htm

And another link.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1678

Bill Nelson voted for the Military Commissions Act of 2006 which stripped Habeas Corpus out of the Constitution, immunity from prosecution for authorizing War Crimes {Torture} and giving Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush the right to label anyone {Including American Citizens} Enemy Combatants.

Go read Chief U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle decision.

Also the second link has a link on Terry McAuliffe worth reading. Here's some of it below.

Nobody sued Terry McAuliffe when he said Michigan's delegates would not get near Boston.
Posted by madfloridian in Election Reform
Fri Nov 30th 2007, 02:13 PM
And other posts about the fiasco of the Florida primary vote. It is going to hurt all of us in the long run, but it was deliberately thought out, planned, and cultivated with the GOP in Florida. The Florida Democrats did it to themselves.

The most telling thing was that McAuliffe was going to take Michigan's delegates in 04. But no one heard a word much about it, and he was not condemned, he was not sued. He was lauded. How odd that when Dean does the same thing...he IS condemned and sued.

Enjoy the links and than you all can complain more about how unfair Dean is.

God Bless.

Than you can bash me. I check later when I get home. Still having some software problems to work on and correct.

Later and ...

God Bless.

March 11,

I doubt there will be a joint ticket. I believe there are irreconcilable ethical differences between the candidates that would preclude their running as a team.

This whole do-over reminds me of the attempt at the split of the loot on "It's a Mad Mad Mad World".

politics, smolitics - now this is important - the Catholic Church updates the list of mortal sins.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/10/AR2008031001194.html?hpid=sec-religion

Imagine, something I support as a matter of public policy is on the new list of mortal sins. I'm happy to see that my original choices, lust, gluttony and greed, still make the list.

The biggest problem with what Ferraro said was that she didn't seem to understand that Obama distanced himself from the black community until he needed 'em.

Pogo

You are on a role today, I am happy to see the addition of littering though.

kgc...

Before I forget thank you for the info on another recalled product for pets. Luckily Ginger don't get that, however it seems to me that there is no over site of anything anymore.

That includes foods for human and pet consumption as well as anything that comes in from over seas.

God Bless.

HATE POLITICS
i have to blame the DNC for all this hate ....the primary system they have is a horror story ... all these months of campaigning ...and strippimg the the fourth and eighth largest states of their delagates.... .caucus's where 2 percent of voters pick the winner.....open primaries where outsiders can pick the winner.......super delagates where the winner is picked for political reasons...proportional distribution of delagates ....this set up is geared for no one to win 2025 delagates ....HRC wins 3 states obama wins one state and she only gains 7 delagates....what kind of genius came up with this math .....the more candidates are on the road the more they have to attack to try to separate themselves ...the more their electorate gets hateful and start saying things that are outrageous...15 months and still going ...thay cant keep saying the same thing so they resort to throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.....DNC created this mess and deserve to be laughed at....maybe this should go to the convention and tear this dem party apart so it can be rebuilt with some sanity and common sense

Anon

Glad it's not a problem. I signed up for all the alerts
from the feds -- it is amazing the amount of stuff being recalled. I have completely changed the way I shop.

tz:

That is why I am not a partisan. Sometimes those Republicans can come up with pretty good ideas.

(oh boy - there go's what was left of my credibility on this board)

warren, when PAC money represents less than 1% of the total raised, it's not the issue most think it is, and is a stupid one to bring up if you're the Dem candidate. Obama has the higher ground on that issue, but that ain't gonna be the issue that wins the election or the nomination. The two issues that win the election will be the economy and Iraq.

If buying influence becomes an issue, PACs is not where the money is. The biggest influence is in the segment donors, and the biggest difference in the donor segments is in lawyers/lobbyists, that gave $40M to democrats ($13M to HRC, $11M to BO) and only $13M to Repugs ($3M to JM); Misc. business gave $30M to dems as opposed to $20M to repugs. The biggest donor segment, Finance/Insurance/Real Estate gave $43M to dems, and $39M to repugs - as close to a wash as any large segment gave. This will be the issue that a McCain might try to make stick either offensively or in defense of a PAC argument, 'cuz that is where the numbers look worse than the piddly PAC donations.

Here's the McAuliffe article link where he threatened to not seat the Michigan Delegates in 2004. You need to register to read the whole article though.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-71986170.html

God Bless.

kc, as my parents found out when I was a kid, the fastest way to get me to do something was to forbid it. Now that they're not around to tell me not to do things because - they're bad for me, I could get arrested, I could catch a disease, I could grow hair on my palms, etc., I guess I'll have to rely on my wife & kid's church to let me know what I shouldn't do. Now where can I find some genes to experiment with?

AP, thanks for the link - not gonna do it - don't want the advertising e-mail. The difference in '04 is that the issue was a threat only, not a fait accompli - it may have been that Dingell actually believed that McAuliffe would follow through - but for whatever reason, Dingell did not push the issue and MI held its primary on 2/7. Had MI gone ahead and held its primary before the rules allowed, the issue might have arisen then. This year, no such luck - Dingell didn't blink at Dean's threat, and now the issue is ripe.

Pogo:

That argument is all well and good for this board. But for the general:

I don't take PAC money - and Senator McCain has taken more lobbyist money than me and has more lobbyists working for his campaign - works better.

Voters like sound bytes they can repeat to their friends to justify their votes. But my favorite one:

I am voting for Obama because he is against the war.

Nice, simple and good for millions of votes.

This link has the press story about McAuliffe and MIchigan. It also says that if they had followed the Rules they would have and what was offered they could have had an extra 30 percent or more delegates.
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With all the talk about possible June primaries or caucuses in Michigan and Florida - the two states that violated Democratic National Committee rules by scheduling primaries prior to February 5 – The Field has learned that, had the two states originally scheduled their votes for May or June, they would have been entitled to a “bonus” of 30-percent more elected delegates.
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Given that the bonus delegates were intended “to prevent front-loading,” Michigan and Florida Democrats – even if they do schedule legitimate June primaries or caucuses – don’t seem to have much of a case to now ask for the bonus delegates, given their efforts to engage in the very kind of front-loading that the rules set out to deter.

What have they lost? Here’s the math:

Florida, had it voted on February 5 or later instead of on January 29, would have been entitled to 185 pledged delegates.

Had Florida originally scheduled its primary for May or June, the 30-percent bonus would have given it 55 extra delegates, for a total of 240.

Michigan, had it voted on February 5 or later instead of on January 15, would have been entitled to 128 pledged delegates.

Had Michigan originally scheduled its primary for May or June, the 30-percent bonus would have given it 38 extra delegates, for a total of 166.
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And I don't want to hear either Hillary's camp or Obama's camp asking for bonus delegates if they do a revote. They both do not need to be rewarded for the Democratic Parties of Michigan or Florida breaking the Rules.

Time to go home. Take care and ...

God Bless.

he is?

Or he "was"?

Patsi,

I'm not going down that GF road today, it's lunch here in WA and DW treating.:) I did catch your "positively 4th st" comments yesterday and I do think you raise a valid point about how to address a Black candidacy without being called a racist. I guess the same could be said of any race or of gender.
Maybe there is/was a better person to go out front on this than GF , who has credibility and little to lose. There's still something that sticks in my crawl about her remarks.
Maybe race relations, particularly Black and white, have not come as far as we thought. Later.

* looks out peep hole for June Bug before he leaves*

Oops, forgot the link. Here it is.

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=868

God Bless.

Geraldine Ferraro voluntarily refused to continue with an experimental biological dendritic DNA viral cancer vaccine when the program finally was approved for an FDA trial.

This is a program which will reverse any number of auto-immune conditions including Crohn's disease... once it receives FDA approval for treatment beyond melanoma.

Rep. Ferraro has had multiple myeloma for almost ten years. The program in which she participated had retrained her immune system to discern between her own healthy cells and the cancerous ones.

When she began this treatment, she was in a terminal state with a three month life expectancy.

She voluntarily discontinued this program which had given her a cancer free life so that others with viral cancers and at least two dozen other auto-immune conditions would have a chance at benefiting from this treatment in the future.

Her myeloma returned almost immediately. She since has been on brutally intensive 7 and 14 day chemo cycles. Her husband accompanies her to every treatment session and takes excellent care of her. They are almost never apart.

She convinced the handful of other people in the program whose lives were being saved by it to withdraw from it so the FDA conditions could be met...

So that millions of others could benefit one day from this breakthrough.

As mentioned, among the many auto-immune conditions researchers have found this program relieves is Crohn's disease.

That would be an excellent thing. And the selflessness of Rep. Ferraro would be responsible for that.

The only sliminess here is in the life of the beholder.

march11:

He was, is and will be as President. Out of all the candidates, Obama is in the best (albeit not perfect) position to ague was against the Iraq war from the outset.

Of course it would have been stronger if he was in the Senate and voted against it (but thank goodness he did not vote for it).

And the argument about voting against funding is BS. It would be irresponsible to do so - knowing Bush has no plans to get the troops out. Until we get a President that is ready to get the troops out - those men and women deserve every penny.

Obama also represents the cleanest break from George W. Bush (especially in the eyes of the rest of the world).

warren - McCain's response is in those numbers - Senator Obama, you do take money from lawyers & lobbyists - $11M in the primary contests alone." As I said, it's a dumb issue and not one that any candidate is likely totry and win with. And I will be voting for the candidate who will get us out of the war, as well.

AP - I'm sure that will be debated as well, although I'm guessing that FL & MI might lose that argument.

9/11, I had not heard that about Ferraro. My god, what a courageous choice.

pogo,

It's all character. She is so unselfish, she stays away from painkillers so her grandchildren will have an undrugged woman to love and remember.

9/11, I always liked her when she was in the national political picture, but having watched two parents who suffered with debilitating, progressive diseases and a father-in-law and mother-in-law go through the surgery/chemo/radiation routine, she has my unqualified respect. And it certainly puts a spouse's support in a different light.

about William Fallon

http://www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php?q=node/4255

I haven't kept up with all the posts so this may not be new, but here is my reason why Obama will never have Hillary as VP.

"Just one heartbeat away from the presidency"

He would positively have to sleep with one eye open.

It's coming down to brains vs. brawn

"Is Barack Obama a wimp? Forget about whether he is prepared to answer a ringing phone at 3 a.m. Is he prepared to answer the attacks of Hillary Clinton at high noon?

Obama is not incapable of defending himself. And, occasionally, he strikes back. But he seems like the guy who brings a Nerf bat to a knife fight.

She sees this race as a fight, not an intellectual exercise.

The battle now is not really for the pledged delegates, those won in caucuses and primaries. Both sides agree Obama will enter the Democratic convention with more pledged delegates. The real battle is to persuade the 795 party insiders, the superdelegates, to go with the candidate who can win in November.

In other words, who is tough enough to beat John McCain? And the one thing to keep in mind about McCain is not that he has a temper but that he is a warrior. He is a tough bird, and he knows how to fight. Does Obama?"

http://www.politico.com/rogersimon

pogo,

You have got to give yourself credit along with them -- to be loved and loved and loved relieves a person of so many unnecessary complications.

It gives life more value than any struggle gives it pain.

The proposal won't work. When the primary was held in January, none of the candidates campaigned in the state. That advantaged Senator Clinton, with whom voters were much more familiar. Yes, Florida voters have televisions and can watch the two candidates in other states, but if that were sufficient to introduce a candidate to a state's electorate, the campaigns wouldn't bother to pour resources into on-the-ground operations and move around the state holding town-hall meetings and other local events.

If Senator Clinton wants to use the votes she won on January 29, she can appeal to the DNC's credentials committee. Otherwise, Florida will have to go for a complete do-over...no matter how messy.

9/11, my part took little effort & I didn't feel their pain. I was just the son - what else could I do? Credit, nope.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23578902/

Fallon Stepping down

Thanks March - I was on MSNBC's site when I asked.

Jesus H. Christ. Gates is a f*cking dervish. Sorry.

Gordo:

I hope you read the whole article about Obama being a "wimp." The author does not appear to be an Obama supporter - and provides a pretty objective view that Obama has not tore into HRC like some of her supporters on this board like to make out....

And none of those attributes mitigate the fact that what GF said was offensive, unnecessary and racist.

How about this:

If Hillary didn't sleep with Bill Clinton, there's no way that a woman with her public record would have been elected Senator.

Belittling. sexist and offensive.

"Yes, Florida voters have televisions and can watch the two candidates in other states, but if that were sufficient to introduce a candidate to a state's electorate, the campaigns wouldn't bother to pour resources into on-the-ground operations and move around the state holding town-hall meetings and other local events."

LESD

Obama gave them more than just watching him in other states. He gave them a whole round of cable advertisement on CNN among others using the excuse of a "National Buy" something that was avoided by the other candidates. IOW, he cheated. A symptom of future things to come.

Alpha is a fine name for someone who sits ex cathedra.

Craig, your proposal is way too logical. They'll never do it.

There's more to the Spitzer story than we know about yet.

tt

At least we still have free speech. If people didn't say these things no one would know there was a problem. Be thankful , people can say what they want, whether you personally think it is right or wrong.

I swear, some people look for problems their whole entire lives, instead of looking for ways to make things better.

And none of those attributes mitigate the fact that what GF said was offensive, unnecessary and racist.

How about this:

If Hillary didn't sleep with Bill Clinton, there's no way that a woman with her public record would have been elected Senator.

Belittling. sexist and offensive.

Posted by: alpha1906
Not the first time you posted those very word
but the first time you stepped up and admitted what you are.

"If Hillary didn't sleep with Bill Clinton, there's no way that a woman with her public record would have been elected Senator. "

Alpha,

That is actually a legitimate question to ask. Ferraro was wrong to make her remark a statement of fact rather than a question of possibility. It is a sad statement, that we can't even ask the question of press favorability toward either candidate for reasons other than actual qualifications for the job.

Look at the resumes of Biden, Edwards, Dodd and Richardson. They were virtually frozen out of the race because the press wanted a Clinton/Obama race. Well they got one. Ferraro had the courage to bring this out in the open for Obama, and I just heard your statement about Clinton on MSNBC. They phrased it as "married to a President", but it was the same question.

What is wrong with asking the questions?

Fallon just resigned.

God Bless.

Talking about it now on MSNBC.

God Bless.

Better get ready, War is coming to a neighborhood near you very soon.

God Bless.

Maybe this primary is bringing out a lot of truths for people and/or individuals to own up to and decide what they are going to do about it.

Well we know she could have gotten elected Senator from Tenn. since she has similar work experience to Fred Thompson prior to her marriage to President Clinton. Lawyer and worked on the Watergate Committee and she was on the good side.

She could have gotten elected in Minn as did Paul Wellstone due to the work she did with children and families and her activism is both college and lae school.

As for only being related to a president as a qualification. Worked pretty well for Bobby Kennedy,.

She could have been a welcome candidate in a lot of states.

Now HRC is commenting on the GF statement.

$15,000.00 reportedly spent by Spitzer

Holy cow

AP, help me to understand. You say God Bless. Could you expand on what you mean?

Flatus...

That is how I have signed off since being on line. Its my way of wishing everyone well.

No Religious intent meant and I hope you didn't take it that way.

God Bless.

Flatus...

To further clarity at the end of my comment its my way of wishing everyone well.

God Bless.

Thanks, AP. I was stuck on thinking that it meant God was blessing your words to the exclusion of others. I'm okay now.

AP and Flatus

Isn't "god bless" a Southern speech pattern?

Flatus...

Sometimes I even say God Bless you to the person I'm replying too or God Bless everyone to all those currently on the site and even just plain old.

God Bless all.

march, just a wild guess, but is Hillary saying she does not agree with Ferraro's assessment of the reason for Obama's success?

Just read about Adm Fallon's resignation. Good on him.

If there was ever an insane policy/tactic it was the sailing of two carrier groups into the Persian Gulf. Exceedingly threatening and fraught with the risk that some fool would attack them with exactly the results that Tonkin or Pearl Harbor produced.

I can only assume that Fallon opposed this deployment, but, as we all know, strategic decisions are not made in the field.

"Isn't "god bless" a Southern speech pattern?"

Usually "Bless Your Heart" ... Often translated as "Completely out of your mind, wrong, and stupid to boot, but God loves you anyway."

Point proved
To stupid back up your bullshit
and that is all you are.

Jack

Well, KGC, down here God Bless often means the same as "Love Jesus or Burn in Hell" (thats the message on a series of church sponsored road signs in the Low Country of South Carolina).

kc, FL, at least south and east of the panhandle, ain't southern. I never heard people say it when I grew up in the Heart of Dixie. The only person I ever heard use the term as a farewell before AP was Red Skelton. AP's the oly person I've ever heard use the term with a non religious connotation, and as an atheist, I notice that kind of speech.

kgc...

I really don' t know. Its just something that I do because I feel blessed each and every morning I wake up that I have been given another day.

There is so much violence and hate in the world today that any day could be the last. If I can be thankful for each and every day than I would like to think that we all are blessed to have another day.

I could walk out the door and be in an accident on my way to work, or filling up my vehicle or shopping and be robbed, or get hit by lighting.

We never know when our time is up and we should always be thankful at the end of the day that we made it through it.

And even more thankful if we wake up from our sleep.

It don't matter what religion one is or which God one believes in or don't. We should all be thankful for any and all blessings were given.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Take care and...

God Bless.

lol
Still can back your bullshit can you
All you know how to do is call names
You can't argue a point, because your ignorant.

Jack

pogo...

Thank you for your kind words.

God Bless.

Afternoon economic news - the Dow gained 416 today - biggest gain in 5 years.

Anon
I like the "God Bless"
It reminds me of several older women from my childhood. They were there when this child needed a friendly face. So keep it up

Jack

will it stick ? I am betting not

AP, I don't see them as all that kind, but you're welcome. BTW, even though I may be an atheist, I take any help I can get.

stick, talking about the Dow

not the God bless

Thanks to all for the answers. Once again we are a very diverse lot.

Flatus
It never would have occured to me that AP's "god bless" might refer to his post. But I guess if I drove by that billboard everyday it would color my view.

pogo...

Funny you should mention Red Skelton. My grandmother and grandfather use to watch his show. It was one of the few shows they watched that I liked.

I must say though that I don't remember him ever saying that. His was indeed a family show worth watching. Not like whats on today.

I must admit though that I like a certain crime shows like NCI, CSI {original}, Criminal Minds and a few others.

Bowling, Fishing and now those Poker events. Sorry, not a big sports fan. I also like Keith Olbermann though there are those here who don't like him.

Was also a big fan of Perry Mason, 77 Sunset Strip, Manix, the Westerns like Pallidin, Sugar Foot, The Rebel, Wagon Train, Rawhide, Cheyenne and many others too numerous to mention.

Oh well, enough about me. And thank you again for the kind words.

God Bless.

Well the weather seems to be breaking, croucus are starting to bloom. I've got a bunch of stuff I've put off till good weather. There come a time in any discussion group where you have to take a break. This time for me appears to be now. See you all down the road. Either somewhere else or here if the place is still here.
Email me incare of yahoo

Jack

lol Jack

pogo...

Forgot to add that anytime I'm not being bashed for my tin foil hat views I also feel blessed. LOL...LOL...LOL...

God Bless.

AP, I think he actually said "May God bless" - he ended every show with those words. Jamie???

Jack - is it whiskeyjackyahoocom?

Jack...

Isn't that what frogs do? Crou and cus.

God Bless.

pogo
no someone already had that one thus my misspelling
whskyjackatyahoo.com

Jack

AP, considering what you watched as a kid, we could have been brothers of different mothers. Now when it comes to CSI, etc., I haven't been bitten.

And keep that tinfoil hat handy - while I may deny many of the things you fear, I've been wrong once or twice in my life, and could be again.

Well, I have tile to lay - later.

Bye Jack.

pogo...
Only the original CSI. I'm not really to interested in the others.

Buffy was fun to watch as was many of the old horror movies with Lon Cheney {no relation as far as I know to the Dark Lord} and well as Abbot and Costello.

We also had Sherlock Holmes, Charlie Chan and the stables for us children like Mickey Mouse, Wonderful World of Disney and some others.

Now I'm starting to show my age and feeling like an old, old person who's seeing his future as in a second childhood stage. Too many shows popping into my head.

With Fallon leaving the chance of canceled elections becomes more of a real possibility, as does war. I too hope and pray that I'm wrong, but the evil that resides in the Peoples House and this current administration is nothing to take lightly.

Would they start a War with Iran? If any administration would this would be the one to do it.

So you all can go back to your regular scheduled programming and have all your arguments over who you feel will be a better President.

Hillary or Obama. I say Obama and you say Hillary. I agree to disagree.

Take care all and ....

God Bless.

Defense chief says Fallon's leaving is not precursor to war

Associated Press - March 11, 2008 4:23 PM ET

PENTAGON (AP) - Admiral William Fallon's resignation as U.S. military commander in the Middle East follows an article in Esquire magazine describing him as a lone voice against taking military action against Iran over its nuclear program.

But Defense Secretary Robert Gates says it would be "ridiculous" to suggest that Fallon's resignation signals that the United States is planning to go to war with Iran.

Gates also says he sees "no differences at all" between Fallon's and the administration's approach to Iran.

Still, in a statement released by Central Command, Fallon said the reports "have become a distraction at a critical time," making it "difficult" for him to do his job."

I read Gates statement and I hear Nixon saying "I am not a crook."

Given the comments today from Ms. Ferraro, I was reminded of this article from a frequent contributor to Salon that states, among other interesting things, "But if he weren't black, and Hillary had opposed the war, I'd probably vote for her because of her greater experience. In any case, it's a moot point, because if Obama weren't black, he would not be the Democratic front-runner." Like Sen. Obama, the author is bi-racial.

It's interesting that Sen. Obama has regularly gotten over 80% of the black vote in the primaries but one is criticized if it is mentioned that some of these voters must be choosing this candidate based primarily on skin color. If that belief weren't true, wouldn't the distribution of the black vote for Sen. Obama more closely resemble the breakdown of the white vote cast for him (about 45%). Can we not discuss this because we secretly know better than to judge one based on color of skin than content of character?

http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/02/26/obama/

Do I understand it correctly that the republican party in Fl congress decided to change the date? Did the democrats have any choice?
I say keep the vote in Fl and vote over in MI
Obama loses the big states anyway.
Go Hillary

Anon

Thanks much for a most pleasant & needed diversion from the goings on herein. Just reading your list of old TV shows, sparks good memories.

Like Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush's surrogate father Hitler he got rid of all those Military Generals who would oppose him.

Now all that will be left is his *sskissing Generals. They will all go along with a new War with no regards for our Soldiers or us as it will lead to a Nuclear War.

Is there any hope left? I really don't know, but I sure wish there is.

God Bless.

Obama got the black vote after he egaged in race baiting.

We can't talk about him being black, half-black or half white, because if you do, then you run the risk of being ridiculed as being a racist or playing a race card.

However, I believe that if you are also black, half-black and half-white you can say whatever you want among your peers. Or on the other hand, if you are white and a pundit on TV you can talk about the voting block of AA, and who is getting what % of that vote.

Blogs are particularly dangerous because no one really knows who they are talking to, and some comment may be offensive to other bloggers.

Black comedians have been allowed to say all the bad words that would be offensive if spoken by , say a white person.

Sometimes, people change their moniker so they can say things they normally are either afraid to say, or normally would not say.

That's my take.

Carol...

Yes they did, however they were offered bonus delegates if they would hold there Primaries later on. They ignored the DNC and refused to do that.

It makes no difference that the Republicans set the date. They could have refused and scheduled there later, they did not.

And if you read my links I posted above you will see that they tried this before in 2004 and McAuliffe threatened to strip half there delegates if they went ahead with the early primary.

They backed off and avoided what were seeing now. The whole idea from what I read was that they wanted to challenge the DNC Rules and were willing to lose delegates to it. Never thinking that it would matter as the race was suppose to be locked up on Febuary 5th with Hillary as the nominee.

I say seat Florida and redo the Caucus in Michigan. She got 55 % in the Michigan Caucus so why is she scared now to re hold a Caucus in Michigan.

God Bless.

Coreen...

Your welcome.

God Bless.

If memory serves, this alleged race baiting by the Clintons that lost her the black vote began with the comparison of Sen. Obama's win in the SC primary to those of Jesse Jackson in that state. But Sen. Obama had already won 82% of the black vote in that SC primary in the course of his victory there. How could Sen. Obama get the black vote in that primary based on something that happened after the vote?

Carol and Anon

the DNC only offered a token amount of the money needed to hold the election on another day,

It is also important to remember the Democrats needed to have a reason to get people to the polls on 1/29 as well because of the tax measure on the ballot.

The National Democrats should have done a better job of trying to work it out with the state party and understanding the pressure and tactics being used by the Republicans. For a party trying to expand its base they blew a big change in a purplish state to trend back to blue.

When campaigning began in SC the Obama campaign circulated a memo of the alleged racial slurs made by the Clintons.
HuffPost gives me this:

Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has prepared a detailed memo listing various instances in which it perceived Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign to have deliberately played the race card in the Democratic primary. The memo, which was obtained by the Huffington Post and has been made public elsewhere, is believed to have been given to an activist and contains mostly excerpts from different media reports. It lists the contact info and name of Obama's South Carolina press secretary, Amaya Smith, and is broken down into five incidents in which either Clinton, her husband Bill, or campaign surrogates made comments that could be interpreted as racially insensitive.

In putting together a memo on these comments, the Obama campaign is seemingly implying that they are part of a larger, ugly pattern of the Clintons trying to politicize the issue of race. Prominent African-American figures have argued as much.

Jack -- come on, stick around. You are one of the sane ones.

P

"But Sen. Obama had already won 82% of the black vote in that SC primary in the course of his victory there. How could Sen. Obama get the black vote in that primary based on something that happened after the vote?"

After the election Pres Clinton was asked a direct question about SC voting patterns and the turnout . He answered it honestly that AA residents of SC had voted their own self interest in voting for Sen Obama just as they had in voting for Jesse Jackson. The Obama campaign and the media chose to shape this as a racist remark instead of political analysis.

Women have been coming unglued because of the way pundits like Matthews have treated Sen. Clinton. Has this made more women of a certain age vote for her than might otherwise be the percentage ... Just look at the polls. It's not quite as overwhelming as the AA vote, but it's there.

Maxtrue,
Yesterday you said the Dems were wishing for the economic sky to fall in , today the FEDS came with a $200 Billion bailout package for the financial institutions.
Add to this the $150 Billion "stimilus package" and you get a "rescue package" of $350 Billion or 2.5% of GDP.
Wall Steet cheered today but reality will soon set in.
Many reputable economists and analysts believe that the depth of the problems requires and intervention of 3.5% to 4% of GDP.Go do the maths.
What is clear is that the piece meal approach does not foster long term confidence in GWB or Big Ben.
Also, figures released today shows the trade gap widening and oil climbing to $109.72 per barrel.
Remember the Merril Lynch forecast for oil:- $120 to $150 per barrel by year end.
Its the Repugs who need a reality check not the Dems.
Dems will have to clean up this mess once again.

In court papers, Client 9 — identified by another law enforcement official as Spitzer — hurried to get more than $4,000 in cash to pay a call girl at a Washington hotel. From AP.

What in God's name could she/he do for $4K in one night? Boggles the mind.

tt

People are pawning their stuff to buy gas.

http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080311/NEWS01/103110030/1009

tt

Tv reported he has been seeing prostitutes for 6 years....they say he has spent 15K.....

kgc...

I know all about the tax rebate as I voted against it. After all I rent and my landlord will still raise my rent when my lease is up.

Also the money lost to the state under a false Insurance rebate will now cost taxpayers more for public services.

Since I'm an Independent and could not vote for any of the elected officials that make the laws I have to abide by the only thing on my ballot was the tax rebate. They could have still set a later date and the people would still have come out to vote on the Insurance Scam Rebate Charlie Christ put up for a vote and and got more delegates.

Like I said above they didn't care since they had tried to challenge the process in 2004. Instead they lost those delegates and now want them back.

I say too bad, so sad.

Seat them the way they would have been given from the vote and redo a Caucus in Michigan.

Since Hillary won the Caucus there why is she afraid to have a caucus now?

No more Clinton or Obama for me tonight. I can't change your mind and you can't change mine. Lets just say we both agree to disagree okay?

God Bless.

Here are the court docs.

"Spitzer Linked To Hooker Probe"

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0310082spitzer1.html

tt

I feel bad for people who have a long commute. I can easily see gas @ 4.50 gallon.

On an old re-run of Lets Make a Deal...remember that oldie? the bummer curtain was 1000 gallons of gas....lol

anon p.

No problem. There is plenty we agree on that is much scarier.

tt...

Maybe she's real good at keeping it up for him. Or maybe he was on Viagra and so he needed a real good trickster for the length of time the Viagra would be working.

All I know is what someone said above {forget who} that I could find something better to spend 4 grand on.

God Bless.

If the point is that names of both Bob Kerrey and Muhammad Ali are misspelled, then yes, I understand. But what Bob Kerrey has to do with the Clinton's alleged race baiting is still a mystery.

This memo from Sen. Obama's campaign in SC mentioned, among other things, that the Clinton camp was race baiting by mentioning Sen. Obama's drug use. He admitted to it in his book! How is this racist? And doesn't that bring into question the other charges made in that memo? Notwithstanding what people want to believe, the "fairy tale" remark from the former President was about Sen. Obama's position on the Iraq War, not his candidacy. There's video.

anon, why pay $4K for a cow when milk's free? Or so the saying goes.

tt

kgc...

Forgot to add that the tax issue was the only thing on the ballot I got. Now if that wasn't a waste of Tax Payer money then tell me what is.

God Bless.

AP

I thought the whole purpose for moving up the primary was to have a tax measure when Republicans thought there would be a turnout they could control. Their plan was to depress the Democratic turnout.

tt...

Exactly.

God Bless.

CNN is reporting that Nancy P doesn't see a "dream ticket" in the offing.
Seems like she is subtly blaming HRC yet she is proclaiming her neutrality.

Oh Tiptoe,

My blog today was congratulating Leonard Cohen with links to "Suzanne" and "Dance Me To the End of Love"

Since he's your neighbor, you might wat to take a look

http://jdurward.blogspot.com

kgc...

I think the plan was to force the DNC to strip them of the delegates and make them go to the Credentials Committee at the Convention to get them seated.

Don't forget that they lost half of there's by pushing the date up.

This is what Terry McAuliffe did in 2003 for the 2004 Primaries and both Michigan and Florida backed down. The Republicans were fairly certain I believe that they would have a nominee earlier since they need less to get the nomination.

Also Hlllary was suppose to be that nominee and she didn't expect Obama to do as well as he did.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

God Bless.

Jamie -
You're right and there was a backlash by women against the Matthews, et al crowd and its treatment of Sen. Clinton. After all, MSNBC had a guy on one of its shows that ran an anti-Clinton website with the initials C.U.N.T. And I could completely understand a similar reaction by blacks if the media took a similar approach and tactics toward Sen. Obama. But I can't imagine that anyone believes that. It's no where close!

Anon p

"That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

God Bless. "

Me too!

Please enjoy your dinner but be careful while you eat. That chip might fall off your shoulder.

QuitFoolingAround...

The fact that there are more AA's in jail or prison because of drugs would give the impression that he might have been doing more than trying a few drugs and might have been selling them.

After all in the white peoples society thats all AA's do. You know, drug dealing and gang banging. Maybe he was a drug dealer.

And for all of you I'm a Caucasian. I will admit that growing up I to had a fear of a group of blacks who surrounded me one day and put a gun in my back.

A black friend stepped out of his house in which this took place in front of and told them to leave me alone. The fact he was black meant nothing to me, however if he hadn't been I may not be here today.

Color should be blind as well as Religious background. You should judge a person by their character and not the color of there skin or religion as Dr. Martin Luther King said.

We are all human, not just some of us, but all of us. I'm tired of this topic so if you disagree with me so be it.

God Bless.

Orlando Patterson Should Check the Ad

"The real source of the insanity, however, emanates from the hyperbolic imagination of Orlando Patterson, who obviously knows nothing about national security, but who chooses instead to go to any lengths in order to make everything all about race.

As you can see from the picture above, which the Clinton campaign took the time to cut out and offer, there actually is a black child in the 3:00 o'clock ad. Frankly, I didn't notice one way or the other, because it was obvious to any fair minded person that this ad was about the commander-in-chief question that Clinton and other national security Democrats realize will be asked against John McCain. Clinton's crime was daring to ask that question of Barack Obama. As if it hadn't crossed the conservatives' minds already. Ridiculous."

http://taylormarsh.com/

"What in God's name could she/he do for $4K in one night? Boggles the mind."

That's what I keep wondering, Tiptoe!

"Now go ahead and justify Hillary's praise of John McCain."

Go ahead and justify Obama's saying Reagan had a better presidency that Bill Clinton.

A report is suppose to come out tomorrow that verifies once again that Saddam Hussein had no ties to Al Quida and used Fear and Terror as a way to control the people.

Sound like anyone we know? And the Party that supports him?

Can you say Republican Fascist Nazi Party.

Oh by the way a left a voice mail for Steve King about his Racist comment. I said I had just heard his racist remark and said it was no different the The Propagandist of Hitler who used fear against the gypsies, blacks and jews in Nazi Germany.

I also mentioned that one of the reasons he started with Poland was because he told the German People that the Poles wanted to attack Germany so he invaded Poland.

Than I brought up his remark where he said his wife would be safer in Iraq then Washington DC. I said that if he felt that way he should take his f*cking racist *ss and move his his f*cking family to Iraq and see how safe he'll be.

After that I told them to have a nice day and hung up. Will they be coming for me? Who knows?

After all they are Racist Facist Nazi's so anything is possible.

God Bless.

Nancy Pelosi was just on saying - No dream team..

Anone think she is vying for the VP position on BO ticket?

Go ahead and justify Obama's saying Reagan had a better presidency that Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Patsi | March 11, 2008 6:50 PM

He never said that. But now that you bring it up:

Reagan: "Mr. Gorbechov, tear down this wall."
Clinton: "I did not have sex with that woman."

And last I checked, Reagan wasn't impeached.

"A report is suppose to come out tomorrow that verifies once again that Saddam Hussein had no ties to Al Quida and used Fear and Terror as a way to control the people."

anon,

In the interview with Saddam's American guard, who got to know him well while guarding him in prison, he talked about Saddam bluffing about WMD because he wanted Iran, not the US, to think he had the weapons so they (Iran) would not attack Iraq.

Patsi/tt:

I have a few ideas ; )

young 73...

Nancy is a big disappointment to me and I'm sure many more within the Democratic Party.

By her taking Impeachment off the table she allowed the continued destruction of our Constitution, Country, Military and Economy.

If Obama gets the nomination I highly doubt he would chose her as his V.P..

Now the Governor who gave the State of the State response would be a better choice I think.

God Bless.

Btw Patsi - I am not now posting under the name "Nancy" - don't worry.

The idea of the Fullery/Rendell parade in Scranton, PA on Saturday sounds intriguing. Wonder if there is a deadline to enter the parade? Is it a “closed” parade? After all, isn’t it a St. Patrick's Day Parade and NOT a political parade? Wouldn’t it be interesting if Obama were to enter at the last minute and be positioned at the end? As an old band member I was always told the best band starts the parade and the second best is at the end, sort of like Santa (but then maybe it was just my band director trying to appease us). I doubt if they would put Fullery at the very beginning. Wonder what kind of response would be received with Obama at the end? You know, saving the best for last!!!!

As for Fullery getting the big state votes wouldn’t they, with the exception of “backassward Ohio” (I totally agree with that comment and I’m right in the middle of it), mostly be Democratic against McCain? I know they would with Obama running due to the numbers of Independents and Republicans voting for him. Then, you subtract those Limbaugh Fullery votes, voila!

Hi Karolenna...

I also read that. As brutal of a dictator that he was the woman of Iraq are telling reporters that they had more freedom under Saddam than they do now.

Since Iraq had better freedoms for woman than any other Muslim Country Der Fuhrer Bush set back womans rights among the Muslim countries than any Muslim could ever do.

God Bless.

Tell ya what, after Obama wins I'll plan the party!!!

http://office-humour.co.uk/tags/photo/7096/

Warren said...

"Patsi/tt:

I have a few ideas ; )"

I think you should change your name to Randy.... ;-))

Here's a link about the rights of woman since the illegal invasion of Iraq.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/79251/

God Bless.

Read about the Winter Soldiers. Excerpt below.

This week, on March 13-16, a new generation of "Winter Soldiers" -- veterans of the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq -- will descend on the nation's capitol to tell America in their own words what they saw during their service in the "war on terror," the Bush administration's signature policy. They'll give a ground's eye perspective on the occupation's toll on the people of those countries and the costs to the military, and they'll tell stories of what it was really like in places like Fallujah and Ramadi -- places that are just names on a map to most of the people back home.

They'll be following large footsteps. In the early months of 1971, a group of Vietnam vets, organized by Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), gave two days of testimony about the Vietnam that they had seen, up close and all-too-personally, in the original "Winter Soldier" investigation. While largely dismissed by the political establishment, their wrenching testimony redoubled the peace movement's efforts to end that war.

Link for rest of the story.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/79286/

God Bless.

Shouldn't we be getting a report from General Petreaus

"Thus by July 2008 the U.S. troop total would be about 130,000, which was where it stood before Bush began his buildup in January.

Petraeus said he foresaw even deeper troop cuts beyond July 2008, but he recommended that Bush wait until March 2008 to decide when to go below 130,000 — and at what pace — amid a transition of U.S. military missions"

Poll: Most Americans Don't Read Political Blogs
© 2008 Reuters.

"NEW YORK -- A majority of Americans do not read political blogs, the online commentaries that have proliferated in the race for the U.S. presidency, according to a poll released on Monday.

Only 22 percent of people responding to the poll said they read blogs regularly, meaning several times a month or more, according to the survey conducted by Harris Interactive.

Despite the attention blogs can get, the poll said 56 percent of Americans say they never read blogs that discuss politics. Another 23 percent read them several times a year, the survey showed.

While blogs are largely considered the realm of young people who are most Internet-savvy, only 19 percent of people ages 18 to 31, and 17 percent of those ages 32 to 43, regularly read a political blog, the poll said.

The generation most likely to read such blogs are those age 63 or older, 26 percent of whom said they do so. Also, 23 percent of those ages 44 to 62 read them, the poll said.

Roughly an even number -- 22 percent of Republicans and 20 percent of Democrats -- regularly read blogs, while 26 percent of independents do the same, the poll showed. "

http://newsmax.com/insidecover/poll_political_blogs/2008/03/10/79358.html

Nancy: "And last I checked, Reagan wasn't impeached."

He should have been for Iran Contra among other crimes.

Warren: "I have a few ideas ; )"

Warren! And here we've thought of you as this nice little squeaky clean lawyer!

Tucker just had his pal, the guy who owns the Bunny Ranch on...that guy says the hooker was obviously on a train so she could transport equipment.....

Once more, about race: someone posted a while back that everybody was racist on some level. I absolutely agree.

A few years back a funny thing happened. I was at the post office during the Christmas rush. The place was packed with Hispanic immigrants trying to negotiate for money orders to mail back home. I had a bunch of heavy packages and was about on my last nerve because of the wait.

Two other women stood next to me, and the three of us were REALLY bitching in low voices. It was me, an elderly black woman and a young woman of Asian descent. All of a sudden I realized the irony and started to laugh. I lowered my voice even further and said "Listen to us, an anglo, a black and an Asian bitching about the Mexicans."

Patsi,
"He should have been for Iran Contra among other crimes."

I agree.

"..that guy says the hooker was obviously on a train so she could transport equipment....."

ewwwwwwwww

The reason why Fallon is gone.

http://www.esquire.com/features/fox-fallon

Vivian,

Though not an expert, economics is much ado about confidence. That was the principle stimulus of Reagan and Clinton. There are many things right about our economy including low inflation and good employment. The problems that are bad, like energy costs will push the cost/benefit gains of numerous alternative energy models. Tar oil is an enormous resource in Canada and that with clean coal provide a good intermediate bridge while solar, biogenic, meltdown-proof/terrorist-proof nuclear, hydgrogen and wind become affordable. (some already are Mr. Kennedy)

The low dollar actually boosts our exports and the American consumer can blame for all the crap we buy from China. Perhaps Democrats might want to consider moving some of that production to Latin America.

Certainly, the tax code could be weighted to give more incentive to energy, US manufacturing, critical technology and medical and material research, because today's efforts are tomorrows exports.

One could even expand the reserves and army engineering to practice by working with US companies to rebuild our infrastructure. Rebuilding our roads, bridges and power grid will provide a bad bump later if we don't. Lots of jobs. Great Amnesty idea there....

These are not exclusively Democratic ideas and along with education are a clear mid term path towards leading the world for decades tro come.

Short term, we are not going over the clifts despite Democratic delights. Part of our problem was the low interest and apolitical greed that spiked the bad loans and over-valued properties/stocks between 1998 - 2002. We need to keep things sufficiently stimulated while Democrats AND Republicans steer towards reform CONFIDENTLEY. But Democrats do like using fear on the economic front, while Republlicans have been alseep with Iraq a serious 12 billion per month/week drag ALWAYS required management to limit the damage. Yeah, that was well done. Bravo.

The Democratic candidates should vet each problem and warn about specific dangers. Then address the particular solutions for each problem keeping in mind the piggy bank and the problems 'interconnectedness -offering a confident way we can get from "shakey" to "much improved". It will not be done by slashing defense or even coming close to Democratic wish-lists. Nor can we tax our way out of the problems. Defecit is too large.

The candidates that paints the right picture merits the most support. Simply touting the fear aspect without realistic and confident solutions across the board, is less than sufficient to actually fix the problems. Pandering and fear mongering fix what? Look at the partisan fight over Boeing v GN. Or the NAFTA bashing.

Democrats ought to consider the impact of protectionism, over-regulated healthcare, large tax hikes, failure to provide Real ID, and ignore the dangers of massive foreign aid agreements mandated by the UN. It is not about hope or change per se, but confidence and a plan to reform failings without damaging the credit, the stability and competetiveness of the market place. Experiment wisely with confidence based on transparent models that don't pander or bloat the system with new regulations or debt.

That's why I said that Democrats screaming about the economy often go over the top with ideas not likely to help. One democratic sword to clean up the stock market likes prostitutes. That was clever. Maybe the Stock rally was in part a cheer...LOL. In any case, the mess we are in can be fixed with a mixture of good centrist long terms and wise application of stimulation. If we don't move to fix what needs repair without the forced redistrubution of capital, then certainly, Vivian, we could find ourselves in a REAL mess in super high debt. Let's vet the candidates....

...without the fear mongering please.

No, Pakistan didn't descend into chaos.

Iraq didn't become a total civil war.

Taliban haven't over run Afghnaistan.

Other nations stand up to Iran.

Big Brother isn't looking up your toilet.

These fears were largely over-blown, but only reasonable strategies will keep them that way, yes?

Now who has the answer? I thought Bill handled Bush/Reagan's bills pretty well.

Now that Fallon's out, wonder if Obama will sign him up.

Gordo:

Does it say how many people are addicted to blogs?

That probably won't come till the next cycle. They can start a Betty Ford Clinic with no computers (I hope there will at least be TV's).

Red Skelton always signed off with "and may God bless."

"Mock outrage, that's what this Geraldine Ferraro flap is all about.

Ferraro, the Democratic Party’s vice presidential nominee in 1984, told the (Torrance, California) Daily Breeze that "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Clinton was getting the African American vote until blacks were convinced Obama could get the white vote. Why are AA voting for Obama now? Identity politics. As for a woman with Obama's experience and at his age, she would never be considered for commander in chief. Who are we kidding?"

http://taylormarsh.com/

Hi sturgeone...

I guess that I'm in good company then

God Bless.

Likely delegate split in Mississippi. 18-15 delegate split in Obama's favor. The delegates are divided in two groups --a certain % by congressional district and a % by the popular vote.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/instead-of-a-florida-doover-ju.html#comment-50594

patsi: I heard a man who regularly uses whores speak on the radio. It was "Little Jimmy" Norton of The Opie and Anthony Show.
He said the high cost was for travel time and transportation . He said that if Spitzer had just called her to a hotel room in NYC, the whore's charge would by $1,500 per hour.
And as Forrest Gump sez, that's all I got to say about thay-it.

sturgee...anon...

My fave Red Skelton story involved Red when he was at his home.
Red lived high on a hill and his neighbor's house was at street level. Red would buy these film reels of the raunchiest, worst movies he could get, I suppose you could call them XXXX movies.
Then late at night after the adults had put the kiddies to bed, Red would project the porn onto his neighbor's big white garage door.
It was a fairly busy street and Red loved to watch all the commotion the movies caused. As soon as every thing and everybody were "all riled up", Red shut the film off...only to do it again in a few days.

Jamie:

"Women have been coming unglued because of the way pundits like Matthews have treated Sen. Clinton. Has this made more women of a certain age vote for her than might otherwise be the percentage ... Just look at the polls. It's not quite as overwhelming as the AA vote, but it's there."

I get voting for Hillary cause she is a woman. But voting against the sexist pigs in Washington (and everywhere else) - by not voting for Obama - who represents a change from the very sexist generation that is directing this movie - is questionable.

Obama has valiantly resisted the constant calls of the media and the pundits for blood (Obama needs a "knock out blow" "he needs to put her down" "close the deal" - this sexist subtext dictates the debate). Yet in this heated battle - he has kept his cool and has not lashed out at Hillary with anything resembling the Old Boyz Network at MSNBC (despite having ample justification to do so).

And that also goes for anything you hear on the blog. No one here is the candidate (unless HRC and BO are posting here anonymously...).

patsi...I seem to recall you knew Patsy Cline or at least you have known Dolly and many other Nashville cats.
XM Radio's XMX 2 station is running an interview with Patsy's daughter (the one born in 1958) and her husband...if you know anybody with an XM you might wanna listen.

http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4C33B7D0-C44E-4F03-919E-B71328BA42ED

Some interesting stuff from the crowd on the Right. Question is whether this is accurate. Did Obama know whether the help he got from Rezko to buy his property, was loaned from Auchi. Some have started to joke, "well, no wonder Obama didn't want to invade Iraq. His buddy Auchi was making too much money on the food for oil program."

This is why the story just doesn't die. Spizter hurts Obama, actually. It reminds voters that we want to see what's beneath the image. Spitzer too was promoting his high bar approach. He brought his ideals to a Democatic Assembly and ran into trouble WITH Democrats. He talked about rooting out corruption and was caught doing stuff way below the acceptable bar.

I knew someone in Spitzer's office. She was tremendously anti-Bush. A total idealogue who was going to stay with Spitzer's clean up America all the way to the WH (met her on match.com...LOL). She shared a similar mindset of many Obama supporters. A bit of the cult stuff. The recent news reminded me of how we're often surprised by by what's in the package, though JFK was no angel, but then I don't know if his donor's were anything like Auchi/Rezko.

Hey dex, long time no see.

So were they riled because he played the porn on the neighbors garage or because they couldn't run them in their own homes?

He did have a very good sense of humor as far as I'm concerned.

God Bless.

best red skelton movies: "The Clown" and "The Yellow Cab Man"

and as Gertrude and Heathcliffe used to say when flying over D.C.: "This one's on the House"

Gordo:

"Mock outrage" Kinda like:

Obama's talking to Canada!! (so are we - but we have faster attack dogs who are willing to use long knives)

Samanthat Power called HRC a monster!! (she said what everyone was thinking - hell many of the people on this board like Hillary because she is a tough fighter)

Obama's not ready to be Commander in Chief!! (despite that Hillary thought he would make a great VP and she has not shown any superiority on the issues of Iraq and National Security in the 20 debates).

Do I think Geraldline is a racist - no. Do I think she made a racist comment that reinforced old prejudices - yes.

And you can tell that to Taylor Marsh (where you were launched into Clinton-Space).

anon:
Old Red just liked to stir everything up and then leave them hanging!
I watch a lot of TCM movies. It's amazing what a great actor Red was as a young man.
And I never knew Barbara Stanwyck was such a wonderful performer...not known as a stunning beauty, but great looking and such a GREAT actor. She was marvelous in "Meet John Doe." But, man, she was in a LOT of good movies.

"Red Skelton always signed off with "and may God bless.""

Sturge....thanks....you triggered a memory. Did he sign off with "Good night, and may God Bless."

Dex! I LOVE that Red Skelton story!

...and now, courtesy of NBC Nightly News, we know Obama likes his morning eggs scrambled hard, and he is really mad about the native dress photo the Clinton campaign circulated.
I can't even imagine what the McCain campaign will throw at Obama, but it'll be ugly.
Back to hockey...

dex...

I guess I need to start watching some of the old movies on TCM and leave the blogs alone for awhile. Nah.

I will try to catch some of them, however I like my blogs.

God Bless.

".I seem to recall you knew Patsy Cline or at least you have known Dolly and many other Nashville cats."

I work in this business, so I do know a lot of the country singers. Wasn't here in time to know Patsy -- would have loved though, because she was a pistol according to Loretta Lynn....and have never met Dolly although I'm a huge fan of her music and her as a business woman.

warren ---------------------------

Obama and Iraq, Military, and Clinton

"Clinton's support is far deeper and wider and the list of military brass is much, longer, and on one call alone she had eighteen flag officers promoting her commander-in-chief bona fides:

General Wesley Clark
Admiral William Owens
General Johnnie E. Wilson
Lt. Gen. Joe Ballard
Lt. Gen. Claudia J. Kennedy
Vice Admiral Joseph A. Sestak
Lt. Gen. Frederick E. Vollrath
Major General George A. Buskirk, Jr.
Major General Paul D. Eaton
Rear Admiral Stuart Platt
Rear Admiral David Stone
Major General Antonio M. Taguba
Brigadier General Michael Dunn
Brigadier General Evelyn "Pat" Foote
Brigadier General John M. Watkins, Jr.
Brigadier General Jack Yeager
Former Secretary of the Army and Veterans Affairs Togo West
Former Secretary of the Navy, John Dalton

A further list (though no longer definitive) is below (some duplicate names from above appear), coming from Veterans Day, 2007:

(check link for many more names)

http://taylormarsh.com/

Maxtrue:

"Perhaps Democrats might want to consider moving some of that production to Latin America."

I have always been pulling for this. (and of course rooting - with poms poms and all Jack!)

I keep telling my firm to open a Miami office. I think it is in our economic and strategic interest to increase our ties with South and Central America (as well as those kooky Canadians). They are our natural allies - and as America steps out of the role of sole hegemont - and into an increasingly complicated struggle for power...the more friends the better.

Europe has been melting together - while America is putting up fences.

Plus, I really want to improve relations with Cuba - my uncle told me it is the most beautiful island out there in that part of the Atlantic...

Gordo:

Next time use a link. It will be easier for me not to read.

Bill Clinton is the Former Commander in Chief (and a likable guy) - I am surprised the list is so short .

(oh - I just remembered...Bill also pissed a lot of people off!).

Mary Ann of 'Gilligan's Island' caught with marijuana
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/news/celebrity/ny-etmaryann0312,0,2155023.story

"he has kept his cool and has not lashed out at Hillary with anything resembling the Old Boyz Network at MSNBC "

Warren, He has been one long snark after another including today when he twisted the whole I'm number one why is she offering me the number 2 spot? Something she didn't do. Quite frankly, I don't like the way he treats women in so far as I can see from any of his speeches. He may be brilliant, talented, a great speaker and all sorts of other good things, but I don't think I like him. At least he hasn't given me any reason to do so.

"he is really mad about the native dress photo the Clinton campaign circulated."

This is another thing. Has anyone identified who started circulating that photo. I know Obama has blamed the Clinton staff, but I haven't seen even one bit of proof.

The right wing was throwing all that crud about his middle name etc. from when he was in Illinois, but his spokes people keep obsessing on it as if it was Clinton.

It wouldn't suprise me to find out that the Obama staff was responsible for it, just so they could scream with outrage about how persecuted they were.

Jamie:

Why don't you ask Obama's wife and his daughters how he treats women!

Not his political opponents.

Matt Druge 37% accuracy rate
I didn't hear you quoting him when he was talking about John Edward's love child.

Warren,

I want to hear from the women he works with. I don't listen to what Bill says about Hillary or Hillary about Bill. They have a vested interest in mutual success.

I want to know if he has a temper and what causes him to blow up. What does he do when it happens? You can tell a lot from the office staff. Are any of them talking? Also, I would like to hear some stories about his mother. As far as I can tell from his public speeches, there is darn little family in his life other than the wife and children.

Matt Drudge claimed Nancy Pelosi was a supporter of NAMBLA

Yesterday, right-wing Internet gossip Matt Drudge posted an “exclusive” report — based on an anonymous, unnamed source — claiming that Ware had acted inappropriately during a weekend press conference and implying that Ware is an alcoholic:

“During a live press conference in Bagdad [sic], Senators McCain and Graham were heckled by CNN reporter Michael Ware. An official at the press conference called Ware’s conduct ‘outrageous,’ saying, ‘here you have two United States Senators in Bagdad [sic] giving first-hand reports while Ware is laughing and mocking their comments. I’ve never witnessed such disrespect. This guy is an activist not a reporter.’”

turned out to be a total lie

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004053.html#comments

Wonder what the cmapaigns have to say, or will Hillary and Obama rip McCain on this one. Maybe its time for Democrats to define the lines of psuedo-protectionism......naw

"Matt Drudge said he got it from the Clinton campaign"

When asked for an identity all of a sudden well maybe someone who knew someone. He couldn't be sure it was direct fromt he campaign.

Warren, right on shifting to South America and Central America.

Europe the melting pot? LOL They are cracking under the wave of unassimilating immigrants. They are far more protectionist. I'm not sure where your claim comes from. Sorkozy's attempt with his Club Med, or Europe's inability to protect the self-interest of EADS from Russian, Muslim and Chinese influence?

Drudge Out to Get Hillary
Barack Obama | Hillary Clinton
by Margaret Kimberley | February 26, 2008 - 10:40am

article tools: email | print | read more Margaret Kimberley
From Freedom Rider blog

" 'On Nov. 25, Drudge floated the rumor she was having a lesbian affair with an aide over the teasing headline, 'Don't Go There.'
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/13082

yeah quote the rightiwing
heck of a job

Life is much easier in an evidence zone isn't it Brain
You can just say whatever you want but as usual
there is no basis in fact for anything you say.

Tweety will be interviewing Obama sometimes within the hour.

better get your bib and drool cup ready so when you go into the rapture and if you are like Tweety better be wearing depends so nothing dribbles down your leg\

I don't watch msgop

"Look deep into my eyes. Don’t trust your ears or your eyes. And whatever you do, don’t trust your mind. I Obama, The One, do hereby command you to not be confused with all these facts floating around about me. I know, if you listen to them you will feel deceived and bamboozled. So don’t pay them any attention to them at all. Listen to my voice and my voice alone. Seek truth in me because I am The One.

And don’t just take my word for it. Take the word of my spiritual mentor. The All Knowing All Wise Reverend Jeremiah Wright Jr."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

Here's a good one I jus t made up for a good Post headline:

The Emperor had no Clothes

Miss vote shows wonderful demographics for Obama in the general.

And Obama praised Reagan

"don't be hoodwinked".

I meant NY Post

How many people are there in MS compared to PA?

Cause it is going to be a lot closer in PA!!

That big state argument better be pretty convincing if the Clintons are going to get the super D's to stick their political necks out to tell the winner of the most states, delegates and votes (as well as the "Pepsi" candidate) - that he just won Vice President.

Woohoo! Silly Obama - that was just the junior primary.

Hate to break it to you - but that's not happening...

We are the change we've been looking for. And that includes Clintonites!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLI0kOEFyfQ

Ferraro let's Axelrod have it...and rightly so...

relates to this:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

Also...interesting numbers coming out of PA

O's got a lot of work to do - even among his own demographics...down to only black folks voting for him.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c9ce82e9-4cb0-4b64-983c-509ce4fc0ee6

wonder if he's getting a little blow back from his own race baiting.

"lets"

This is interesting. Al Franken's Dem competitor has dropped out of the race...

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/al_franken/2008/03/11/79515.html?s=al&promo_code=46FD-1

Geraldine Ferraro. When will she be denounced and rejected by Hillary? The clock is ticking.

Sorry about Newt staring ya' in the eye on that page with the Franken article. It's from a rightwing rag...keeping up with the other side, doncha' know?

Never mind...it's only Newt some of the time. May the force be with you...so you'll get the ad rotation that doesn't include his beady little eyeballs....

I don't remember David Geffen being asked to step aside and stop raising money for his remarks.

Obama is winning RED states that a Dem has no chance taking in Nov. The Obama campaign has "Gamed" the system - that will not work in Nov.

Senator Clinton has acted to distance herself and her campaign from inappropriate remarks including removing people from the campaign.

Obama didn't even ask for Powers to resign. He would have let her stay.

No Obama campaign staffer even the ones responsible for the Senator from Punjab..."who is the racist?" memo have been let go.

The dirty campaigner and the one that will do anything to win is Obama. He probably leaked the photo to Drudge and lied about his drug use to inflate the story line. The James Frey of Oprah candidates.

How bout this alternate nightmare scenario:

Obama wins the popular vote in 49 states - and FL puts HRC over the edge and the super D's overturn the will of the people and nominate Hillary.

*flash forward*

Hello President McCain. You were pretty good on Charlie Rose. I just wish you weren't so cranky. And then there's the fact that you have already personally insulted plenty of world leaders (even before you were President). Oh, and can we talk about those Bush policies - we might want to rethink them a bit.

alpha...you hate white people...so what's your point?

Thanks Bri . . . I'm not a lemming like you

OK...my work here is done...

night

Just a little something to kick off the evening's music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrPEM2qc-j8&feature=related

"In an interview with ABC News affiliate WHTM, Clinton, D-N.Y., ignored calls from the Obama campaign to remove Ferraro from her campaign, saying, "Well, I don't agree with that and I think it's important that we try to stay focused on issues that matter to the American people."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4428719&page=1

Wendy:

The only problem with Obama's demographics is that Hillary's supporters aren't voting for him. That is not gonna change much.

I'm hoping for a 20-point win. That would be nice.

That is the good thing about hope - 16-points will be fine as well!

how many delegates for each side
I think he is getting a net three.

Jamie:

"Has anyone identified who started circulating that photo. I know Obama has blamed the Clinton staff, but I haven't seen even one bit of proof."

Uhhh - I think the Drudge Report blamed Clinton staff - then all of a sudden - radio silence - sounds like Facism to me.

The finger point should be at Drudge and Clinton - not Obama.

The ole Clinton three-card monti - or the okey doke in the south!!

When David Geffen stops raising money for Obama. And when the staffers who wrote the "Senator from Punjab" memo are fired. he might have more of a case.

What a weasel, He didn't even ask for Powers resignation,

got a link for your seven. prediction.

"That is the good thing about hope - 16-points will be fine as well!"

ROFL!!!!!!!! Warren!!!!!!!

Mississippi's got yer HOPE?? Good luck, pal. Guess you haven't spent any time in the great state of Mississippi! As a Democrat (unlike you) I won't be putting any eggs in Mississippi's basket.

Warren,

Anytime Drudge prints anything that is negative about anyone on the left, you can bet the source is from the far right garbage manufacturers, just like all the "hussein" and muslim nonsense.

I genuinely doubt it came from anyone involved in the Clinton campaign. If Drudge could have pinned it on anyone there, you can bet he would have. He couldn't.

Patsi, I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering about the $4K/Night.

Jamie, thanks, I looked at your blog.

Arlo should be in the R&R Hall of Fame already.

tt

Whites Back Clinton, Blacks Obama in MS
Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- Blacks gave Barack Obama overwhelming support while whites lined up strongly behind Hillary Rodham Clinton in Mississippi's Democratic presidential primary Tuesday, making it one of the most racially divided of all the party's contests this year.

Nine in 10 blacks were backing Obama while seven in 10 whites were voting for Clinton, according to interviews with voters leaving polling places. That gave Obama the edge because those voting were split about evenly between the two races.

Clinton was doing better than usual across virtually all categories of white voters, including those who are college graduates, earn at least $50,000 a year, independents and self-identified Democrats.

http://newsmax.com/politics/campaign_exit_poll/2008/03/11/79629.html

Jamie:

" I don't listen to what Bill says about Hillary or Hillary about Bill. They have a vested interest in mutual success."

But you listen to all the politicians who owe or expect political favors with the Clintons.

Guess what Patsi - from the outside perspective you placed me into - Democrats are notoriously BAD at winning general elections. So you will understand if I don't listen to you.

"Fire former Democratic VP candidate and Hillary Clinton advisor Geraldine Ferraro? She ought to get a merit badge pinned on her for having the guts to tell the truth."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/dont-fire-geraldine-ferr_b_91059.html

In the race for delegates, CBS News projects that Obama will win at least 17 delegates in Mississippi and Clinton will win at least 14, with 2 still to be projected.

so even if he gets the last two (which he won't) his margin would be five....msgop already wrong.

"Democrats are notoriously BAD at winning general elections."

Warren....given your obvious disdain for the Democrats, why are you inserting yourself in our primary?

"Nine in 10 blacks were backing Obama while seven in 10 whites were voting for Clinton"

Strange * scratches his head* it's the South G-Man.

Last time i was in Philadelphia it was pretty scary..and I don't mean Pennsylvania.

CNN just estimated earlier that BO ends up with 109 to 106 total dels in TX for another Obama win.. lol

I use to be able to do that Texas 2 step in my youth.

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

for accuracte information on delegate allocations not the ravings of pundits who use drudge for their main source and karl rove's math.

" So you will understand if I don't listen to you."

So you might understand that I believe that people like you will turn our party into Republican-Lite. Goodbye Dems. Hello Warren.

"But you listen to all the politicians who owe or expect political favors with the Clintons."

What are you talking about. My comment was directed at family members being directly interested in a candidates success and wanting to hear testimony from people who worked directly with and for Sen Obama. What does that have to do with politicians supporting Hillary other than what SHE is like to work for. That doesn't help me a bit with info about HIM.

Texas Caucus Results Due March 29
By APRIL CASTRO – 5 hours ago

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Curious whether Barack Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton won Texas' Democratic caucuses March 4? The official results won't be available until March 29.

I guess you thought it was over in Texas. Where did you get your official count...from msgop no doubt who obivously picked it out of their asses.

"Considering that any falling dominoes in the wake of a Spitzer resignation will likely maintain Clinton’s home state lineup of superdelegates as other Democratic supporters of the New York senator fill the vacancies..."

-Craig Crawford

KGC:

The delegate race is over. Another Clinton supporter living in the past.

It is all about votes sister - and I will take 20% in MS.

The rest of the calendar is stacking up pretty good for Obama. Clinton dug deep into her bag of tricks before TX and OH - and Mar. 4 was not the blowout the Clinton campaign (not the pundits) were predicting a few weeks before (despite the confetti).

KC,
You wait until the 29th, but I'll take the CNN count toniteI
It will 109-106.

Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florita, etc. will put Hillary ahead in popular vote and she will be the Democratic nominee.

Time is Hillary's best friend..

"When people who don’t know me well, black or white, discover my background (and it usually is a discovery, as I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites), I see the split-second adjustments they have to make, the searching of my eyes for some telltale sign. They no longer know who I am. Privately, they guess at my troubled heart, I suppose – the mixed blood, the divided soul, the ghostly image of the tragic mulatto trapped between two worlds"

Dreams of my Father, Barak Obama

Patsi:

I'm a left-leaning Independent. There are a lot of us out there - especially in this election with Bush and Iraq.

I am still for HRC over McCain - but I know plenty of Independents (men and women) that would not.

And can you really argue that it is GOP spin that - in recent times - the Dems. suck at winning the White House?

Once again the Obama argument in action

"We think we won therefore we did"

Oh right then the facts prove you didn't..

The same mantra...it was going to be over for Clinton after Ohio and Texas and you have shown nothing that indicates Pa will be any different. And I rather doubt Indiana is going to be Obama country either.

Mail-in voting in Oregon has resulted in significant participation of older voters..Hillary will win Florida by even greater numbers that the first primary.

When the tv pundits talk about mail-in voting, Oregon voters see just little they know about anything.

OD:

If time is her best friend - why was her strategy to win this as fast as possible. Obama will win in a ground war. Clinton lost this thing on Feb. 5th.

Hillary's prepared remarks on Obama today: "It’s like how he talks about fixing NAFTA. But his top economic adviser assured the Canadian government that he wouldn’t really follow through. His position? Just words. Senator Obama promises to withdraw from Iraq within 16 months. But his top foreign policy adviser said he's not really going to rely on that plan. I guess that plan is just words, too

i don't understand this recent trend of screen names impersonating real people, etc.. What is the point of calling yourself "David Axelrod" if that isn't who you are? It is confusing to readers who come here for legitimate debate and discussion. We can move to a more rigid registration system that require working email addresses and IP identification if that's what it takes. But would rather not.

Clinton lost this thing on Feb. 5th.

Posted by: warren | March 11, 2008 11:38 PM

then why are people still voting and fighting to have their votes counted.

And why are only Obama people the only ones saying it's over. Is it some kind of chant they teach you at Obama camp.

Of course mail-on voting favors the Clintons - that is why it is being pushed.

You Clinton supporters and your media bias - which as we have seen - can swing both ways. But Clinton is the establishment candidate - that is a much tougher burden - and we are still kicking your asses!!

You people are monsters!!

Warren..Why don't you let we Democrats take care of OUR nomination..

Obama will win in a ground war..sorry Warren..his lack of toughness will reveal his weakness in a general election.

KGC:

Because she has loyal supporters. I am not saying you should not supporting HRC - I am just telling you she is going to lose.

Warren

And I'm just telling you Obama is going to lose

"We think we won therefore we did"

Oh right then the facts prove you didn't..

KC, HRC won the popular vote. If you think about..How could BO win anything in TX....BUT THE DELEGATE COUNT. which he will..

Because you Democrats always fuck it up. And despite if I was not so confident in Obama - I would say you still have a pretty good shot of doing it again this year.

Let's keep this process going forever - so the candidates and the supporters can beat themselves up. Let's have a re-do in MI and FL - that we can fight about afterwards - maybe the legal battle can last right up to the Convention.

You can call me young and naive and stupid - but you're the one who needs to wake up.

KGC:

"And I'm just telling you Obama is going to lose."

Well-thought-out argument there. That has been the mantra of the Clinton campaign. She is inevitable. She can't lose.

Well guess what - the Clinton's have lied to you!!

(politically of course - I understand there is a big difference between lying to get elected and lying to your wife about whether you are having an affair).

Warren

Mostly what I see is someone in a hurry to declare the winner before the race is over. Someone who claims to want new politics but is only interested in self serving moves rather than party bulding.

KGC:

All I am trying to do is manage expectations - just like Bill.

Warren
Well-thought-out argument there....that's the exact argument you made. Just as I thought not only do you not read entire threads and comments before posting
you don't even read you own posts or remember you own arguments.

politically of course - I understand there is a big difference between lying to get elected and lying to your wife about whether you are having an affair).

Posted by: warren | March

now I know you are a concern troll

Looks like Florida may have finally stopped talking about what to do & is presenting the DNC with a mail in voting plan that could be implemented sometime in April.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/30042.html

KGC:

"you don't even . . . remember you own arguments."

This allows me to come up with new ones! There are plenty of good arguments for Obama - the Clintonites just keep re-hashing the same material that has resulted in Obama winning the primary.

You got me KGC.

Now can you please explain to me what a "concern troll" is. Because it might be better than the other diagnosis about me being addicted to this blog.

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Maxture,
I understand Repug glee at the Dems nomination tussle.
HRC will be the eventual nominee and your man J.Mc will get the opportunity to showcase to all Americans his "grasp of the issues".
The swiftboat attack machine is gearing up just now but at the end of the day reality trumps Rovian strategies.
Enjoy the ride and meet us in November.
I say Dems will widen their margins in the House and Senate plus win the Presidency.

Maxtrue,
As I pointed out yesterday, the rally in the markets was a dead cat bounce.
Having digested the "good news", the market is realising that this intervention is not enough.
Their is a broad body of opinion which says that the FEDS will have to cut rates to 1%-1.5% and cough up another $100Billion to $150Billion to really stimulate the economy.
Even then, expect the effects to be felt slowly in the summer of 2009.

Here's an idea for resolving the delegate distribution:
http://marykittneel.blogspot.com