Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

yee haw

Interesting proposal, Craig. Wonder if FL dem party is considereing it? I doubt it - makes too much sense.

Wow Jack,
That is interesting, they must really dislike Hillary

Wait ! more vote for McC when it's against BHO

Craig:

Obama has grown his support since Jan. 29. I also think HRC announcing she would fly down to FL for a victory party BEFORE the votes were cast had some influence and sounds like campaigning to me.

So - if there is a re-vote - there should be a re-vote. And of course a mail-in vote favors HRC - because many young voters have not even seen a Post Office since the dawn of the internet - but whatever. Obama will still do well.

Jack:

"unbelievable" - exactly - those numbers won't hold.

Pogo:

If Obama does not win PA - then we need a revote.

But I don't seen any way Hillary can continue to make her case without winning in PA. The super D's will go for Obama and we can still seat the MI and FL delegates based on the prior vote.

And I know all you Hillary supporters are skeptical of my ideas because I support Obama - but are you just as skeptical of Carville's or Corzine's ideas?

Craig I think the real question here is why can't your beloved Florida get it right? 48 states seem to be able to hold reasonably fair and honest elections. What's up with Florida and Ohio?

Also I don't see how your plans avoid the problem you bring up? Also I'm sure Hillary will find fault in the vote if it doesn't go her way. Hasn't that been her MO all along, look at the contempt she has shown for any place she loses. It's never about she lost, it's always about how unfair the process is to her and her supporters.

Ohio is backassward.

From CC's Tampa Bay source:

"Gov. Charlie Crist says the state must run the election,"

Irrespective of BO/HRC support, this will be the bugaboo as I see it. On the surface, it all sounds fair to me. We'll see.

March apparently Florida is too. They've had 8 years to get it right and still they are the eye of the storm. Pretty sad.

OK, warren, I get it. I just didn't understand that you agreed that a do-over is necessary in MI & FL if Hillary wins PA - actually, we are on the same page on the issue.

Repost from the bottom of last thread. Seems while I was writing my comment a new post got put up so here is the link.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/spitzer-roils-dem-race.html#comment-50349

I just may repost the whole thing if it appears that no one wants to acknowledge the Judges decision.

Take care and have a good day. I need to get back to work.

God Bless.

All hail the queen!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080311/ap_ca/on_the2008_trail

Obama may be the frontrunner - but HRC is still the establishment candidate.

Brian, IMHO, as far as the voting apparti go in FL, FL's problems are more related to the fact that they are run by a Repug SoS office that in '00 & '04 was more interested in getting and keeping GWB in office than in having fair elections - and that doesn't even consider the legislature's shenanigans. The dem & rep primary participants are just unfortunate collateral victims. All I can say is that I can bank online and have never been hacked into or had my ID stolen. The guys who write the banks' I-net programs have a better handle on this sort of stuff than Diebold, whose interest is in selling their machines. We are headed for I-net voting - better think about going there and getting it right. Just my opinion.

Cannot wait until 4/22 to decide whether to revote.
DNC rules have an end date for the primaries of 6/10..

This is such a mess, in Cleveland we had paper ballots. You fill it out an envelope with your name and information, then complete a separate ballot and stick inside the envelope then into a metal box -like what you see when they are showing election in third world countries.

Now, I heard someone was complaining because the boxes were not handles correctly, not protected, no in the right area...missing....who ever knows.

I do not understand why we can't vote on-line, by Social Security number or a Voter Number or a Driver's License number and a password.

If you can track Spitzer $4300.00 down to a hooker in a certain room on a certain day, cant you track a vote?

kc, you're right, and I think they have to work toward getting a revote before 6/10 set up in the meantime, but if HRC loses PA (a remote possibility at best right now) or drops out, the revote could be dropped - not a good idea, but it could since it wouldn't change the outcome.

KRC:

I thought you were a Clinton supporter - since when do you care about rules. And remember the Clinton mantra - rules were made to be changed.

The later state would disagree but the simplest thing to do is to just revote the same day as PA. It would be the ultimate Super Tuesday and it would finally be a kill or cure moment for the campaign.

BTW happy 311 day, make sure they do you right...

Pogo

Cancel an election? I don't think so.
I wish I could remember who said it, but the mail ballot is a great opportunity for the Florida Democratic Party
and in a purplish state is a great opportunity,

I find Dean's poor mouthing about the Party to be rather odd in a time when Democrats seem to have no trouble raising money. Why doesn't the Democratic Party have more money? This is a great opportunity to build strength in two states important to the Democratic Party.

Warren
you are confused that is the Obama mantra

"I will seat the Florida delegation" (only if I win)
B Obama
And let's change the rules to have requirements for the super delegates B Obama
Any thing that benefits me is ok but the exact same thing for Clinton is wrong and immoral. B Obama

you live in some kind of alternate universe

Thx AP,

I hadn't recalled the MI-Terry McAuliffe flap of 2004.
Doesn't surprise me of the change of heart when your candidate's future is at stake. Typical Clintons!

"Move your primary too early, Terry McAuliffe warned, and Michigan will lose half its delegates to the 2004 Democratic convention.
"The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television," McAuliffe vowed. "I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules."

KGC:

We both live in alternate universes - so get off your moral high ground.

Warren

Do you read your own posts?

Nope that is your job.

In fact, I do read them - and believe it or not - sometimes I actually self-censor myself to try and keep the tone civil.

The DNC doesn't have more cash on hand because Dean rightfully so has been funneling funds to the state orgs. Under Deans leadership fund raising has risen considerably for the DNC. The Times did a very informative article on this very subject last week.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/republicans-out-raised-democrats-for-national-commitees/?scp=1-b&sq=DNC,%20fundraising&st=nyt

I starting not to care.

I am suffering from primary fatigue. I actually am thinking, maybe there will be an interesting news story today. Yesterday was interesting.

ha ha haha

Bill Clinton should start a Shick Center for cheating politicians, I bet he'd make a fortune and wouldn't have to take so much money from oil rich mid-eastern countries.

kc, this may explain the DNC's cash shortfall -

http://www.facethestate.com/articles/political-cartoon-229-the-dnc-budget

:-{)

Ooooohhhh...maybe Bill could use electro-shock therapy at his new clinic!

Pogo

That's just plain mean :)

kc, yeah, I know, but I...just....couldn't...resist.

If the 2 candidates were to settled on a joint ticket what would the problem be? -just the fact that they despise each other?

-No issues with Fla and Mi
-most likely win the GE
-doesn't divide the party

Does anyone think this will happen?

HI all...i'm working second shift and it's thrown me for a bit of a loop... never know what time it is anymore...

I haven't paid much attention to Spitzer but I did understand that he was in trouble politically before all this came out..

I wonder if Sam Waterston could run?

March 11, I think it was the Eagles who just did their "Hell Freezes Over" tour after a 16 year hiatus. I'd say the timing isn't favorable for such a profound hatchet burying, but then again, I thought Gore won in '00.

lol pogo..everyone but Katherine Newboobs thought Gore won in 00

Brian, just come on out as a wing nut trying to destroy the one democratic president in several decades who got this country on track. You and Hannity have much in common.

No matter who wins the General they all still have seats and will be working together.

If McC wins then Hillary and Barack can gaze at each other in their Senate seats and ponder the thought......" I could of been somebody"

March:

I think the candidates will come together once this fight is over - irrespective of the VP issue. They will join forces to make sure the winner gets elected President.

And if Clinton wins - Obama is almost certain to be offered the VP slot - he may very well take it despite his campaign rhetoric.

If Obama wins - it is a little more tricky. Just because she is the epitomy of the politics of old - a partisan fighter that is ready to destroy her political opponenets - and this would conflict with his message of changing the way politics are conducted in Washington. Her ties to lobbyists don't help either (and yes I know all politicians have ties to lobbyists - but she comes with some pretty damning statistics).

Obama's Line on Lobbyists Is Misleading

By Trudy Lieberman , Columbia Journalism Review. Posted February 26, 2008.

Obama claims that he doesn't take money from lobbyists. The truth is, he is as beholden to special interest groups as all of the other candidates.
http://www.alternet.org/election08/77492/

Craig,

How bout doing even more and making it an open primary in Florida? As an Independent, I would have loved to have say in the Democratic process. It would give a good indication as to how Independents could help carry Florida for the Democrats in November.

Thanks.

Can you actually see Hillary on the stump for BHO for President....that is an image that is difficult to fathom.

Despite Rhetoric, Obama Pushed Lobbyists' Interests

Share July 16, 2007 8:00 AM

Justin Rood Reports:

Away from the bright lights and high-minded rhetoric of the campaign trail, Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has quietly worked with corporate lobbyists to help pass breaks worth $12 million.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/despite-rhetori.html

KGC:

Fact - Clinton took more lobbyist money in 2007 than any other politician.

So yes - he's not perfect - but he is better positioned than Mrs. Clinton to make this argument against McCain (who also took more money than Obama).

Obama has also refused PAC money - and Hillary refused to take this pledge despite Edward's request.

Finally, Obama has raised more money through small donors that any candidate in history.

Since it appears that only one person and a new one at that wants to acknowledge that they even read the courts ruling from the link I posted earlier on my comment from the last thread, here it is.

Since many believe I wear a tin foil hat go ahead and skip reading it if you want, but stop blaming Howard Dean for this.

Well it appears that no one has jumped all over me for my comment on the courts dismissing the lawsuit filed over the DNC's sanctions against the seating of Florida Delegates.

Below is the link on the Florida lawsuit brought by Senator Bill Nelson in December 2007 after the DNC sanctioned both Florida and Michigan.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-05-florida-primary_N.htm

And another link.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1678

Bill Nelson voted for the Military Commissions Act of 2006 which stripped Habeas Corpus out of the Constitution, immunity from prosecution for authorizing War Crimes {Torture} and giving Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush the right to label anyone {Including American Citizens} Enemy Combatants.

Go read Chief U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle decision.

Also the second link has a link on Terry McAuliffe worth reading. Here's some of it below.

Nobody sued Terry McAuliffe when he said Michigan's delegates would not get near Boston.
Posted by madfloridian in Election Reform
Fri Nov 30th 2007, 02:13 PM
And other posts about the fiasco of the Florida primary vote. It is going to hurt all of us in the long run, but it was deliberately thought out, planned, and cultivated with the GOP in Florida. The Florida Democrats did it to themselves.

The most telling thing was that McAuliffe was going to take Michigan's delegates in 04. But no one heard a word much about it, and he was not condemned, he was not sued. He was lauded. How odd that when Dean does the same thing...he IS condemned and sued.

Enjoy the links and than you all can complain more about how unfair Dean is.

God Bless.

Than you can bash me. I check later when I get home. Still having some software problems to work on and correct.

Later and ...

God Bless.

March 11,

I doubt there will be a joint ticket. I believe there are irreconcilable ethical differences between the candidates that would preclude their running as a team.

This whole do-over reminds me of the attempt at the split of the loot on "It's a Mad Mad Mad World".

Has Ferraro apologized for her racist rant yet? I can understand her support for Hillary, after all her husband is a pretty slimy character too. Also she was pretty sneaky about releasing her and husbands tax returns too. But frankly I thought she was smart enough to know not to make such a blatantly racist remark.

politics, smolitics - now this is important - the Catholic Church updates the list of mortal sins.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/10/AR2008031001194.html?hpid=sec-religion

Imagine, something I support as a matter of public policy is on the new list of mortal sins. I'm happy to see that my original choices, lust, gluttony and greed, still make the list.

The biggest problem with what Ferraro said was that she didn't seem to understand that Obama distanced himself from the black community until he needed 'em.

Pogo

You are on a role today, I am happy to see the addition of littering though.

I knew it was only a matter of time before Patsi called Obama an uncle tom.

kgc...

Before I forget thank you for the info on another recalled product for pets. Luckily Ginger don't get that, however it seems to me that there is no over site of anything anymore.

That includes foods for human and pet consumption as well as anything that comes in from over seas.

God Bless.

HATE POLITICS
i have to blame the DNC for all this hate ....the primary system they have is a horror story ... all these months of campaigning ...and strippimg the the fourth and eighth largest states of their delagates.... .caucus's where 2 percent of voters pick the winner.....open primaries where outsiders can pick the winner.......super delagates where the winner is picked for political reasons...proportional distribution of delagates ....this set up is geared for no one to win 2025 delagates ....HRC wins 3 states obama wins one state and she only gains 7 delagates....what kind of genius came up with this math .....the more candidates are on the road the more they have to attack to try to separate themselves ...the more their electorate gets hateful and start saying things that are outrageous...15 months and still going ...thay cant keep saying the same thing so they resort to throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.....DNC created this mess and deserve to be laughed at....maybe this should go to the convention and tear this dem party apart so it can be rebuilt with some sanity and common sense

Anon

Glad it's not a problem. I signed up for all the alerts
from the feds -- it is amazing the amount of stuff being recalled. I have completely changed the way I shop.

tz:

That is why I am not a partisan. Sometimes those Republicans can come up with pretty good ideas.

(oh boy - there go's what was left of my credibility on this board)

*watches warren's credibility fly right out the window*

*watches warren's credibility fly right out the window*

Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC | March 11, 2008 2:07 PM

That will be a very short flight

warren, when PAC money represents less than 1% of the total raised, it's not the issue most think it is, and is a stupid one to bring up if you're the Dem candidate. Obama has the higher ground on that issue, but that ain't gonna be the issue that wins the election or the nomination. The two issues that win the election will be the economy and Iraq.

If buying influence becomes an issue, PACs is not where the money is. The biggest influence is in the segment donors, and the biggest difference in the donor segments is in lawyers/lobbyists, that gave $40M to democrats ($13M to HRC, $11M to BO) and only $13M to Repugs ($3M to JM); Misc. business gave $30M to dems as opposed to $20M to repugs. The biggest donor segment, Finance/Insurance/Real Estate gave $43M to dems, and $39M to repugs - as close to a wash as any large segment gave. This will be the issue that a McCain might try to make stick either offensively or in defense of a PAC argument, 'cuz that is where the numbers look worse than the piddly PAC donations.

Warren you have a fan!

Here's the McAuliffe article link where he threatened to not seat the Michigan Delegates in 2004. You need to register to read the whole article though.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-71986170.html

God Bless.

kc, as my parents found out when I was a kid, the fastest way to get me to do something was to forbid it. Now that they're not around to tell me not to do things because - they're bad for me, I could get arrested, I could catch a disease, I could grow hair on my palms, etc., I guess I'll have to rely on my wife & kid's church to let me know what I shouldn't do. Now where can I find some genes to experiment with?

AP, thanks for the link - not gonna do it - don't want the advertising e-mail. The difference in '04 is that the issue was a threat only, not a fait accompli - it may have been that Dingell actually believed that McAuliffe would follow through - but for whatever reason, Dingell did not push the issue and MI held its primary on 2/7. Had MI gone ahead and held its primary before the rules allowed, the issue might have arisen then. This year, no such luck - Dingell didn't blink at Dean's threat, and now the issue is ripe.

Pogo:

That argument is all well and good for this board. But for the general:

I don't take PAC money - and Senator McCain has taken more lobbyist money than me and has more lobbyists working for his campaign - works better.

Voters like sound bytes they can repeat to their friends to justify their votes. But my favorite one:

I am voting for Obama because he is against the war.

Nice, simple and good for millions of votes.

This link has the press story about McAuliffe and MIchigan. It also says that if they had followed the Rules they would have and what was offered they could have had an extra 30 percent or more delegates.
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With all the talk about possible June primaries or caucuses in Michigan and Florida - the two states that violated Democratic National Committee rules by scheduling primaries prior to February 5 – The Field has learned that, had the two states originally scheduled their votes for May or June, they would have been entitled to a “bonus” of 30-percent more elected delegates.
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Given that the bonus delegates were intended “to prevent front-loading,” Michigan and Florida Democrats – even if they do schedule legitimate June primaries or caucuses – don’t seem to have much of a case to now ask for the bonus delegates, given their efforts to engage in the very kind of front-loading that the rules set out to deter.

What have they lost? Here’s the math:

Florida, had it voted on February 5 or later instead of on January 29, would have been entitled to 185 pledged delegates.

Had Florida originally scheduled its primary for May or June, the 30-percent bonus would have given it 55 extra delegates, for a total of 240.

Michigan, had it voted on February 5 or later instead of on January 15, would have been entitled to 128 pledged delegates.

Had Michigan originally scheduled its primary for May or June, the 30-percent bonus would have given it 38 extra delegates, for a total of 166.
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And I don't want to hear either Hillary's camp or Obama's camp asking for bonus delegates if they do a revote. They both do not need to be rewarded for the Democratic Parties of Michigan or Florida breaking the Rules.

Time to go home. Take care and ...

God Bless.

he is?

Or he "was"?

Patsi,

I'm not going down that GF road today, it's lunch here in WA and DW treating.:) I did catch your "positively 4th st" comments yesterday and I do think you raise a valid point about how to address a Black candidacy without being called a racist. I guess the same could be said of any race or of gender.
Maybe there is/was a better person to go out front on this than GF , who has credibility and little to lose. There's still something that sticks in my crawl about her remarks.
Maybe race relations, particularly Black and white, have not come as far as we thought. Later.

* looks out peep hole for June Bug before he leaves*

Oops, forgot the link. Here it is.

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=868

God Bless.

Geraldine Ferraro voluntarily refused to continue with an experimental biological dendritic DNA viral cancer vaccine when the program finally was approved for an FDA trial.

This is a program which will reverse any number of auto-immune conditions including Crohn's disease... once it receives FDA approval for treatment beyond melanoma.

Rep. Ferraro has had multiple myeloma for almost ten years. The program in which she participated had retrained her immune system to discern between her own healthy cells and the cancerous ones.

When she began this treatment, she was in a terminal state with a three month life expectancy.

She voluntarily discontinued this program which had given her a cancer free life so that others with viral cancers and at least two dozen other auto-immune conditions would have a chance at benefiting from this treatment in the future.

Her myeloma returned almost immediately. She since has been on brutally intensive 7 and 14 day chemo cycles. Her husband accompanies her to every treatment session and takes excellent care of her. They are almost never apart.

She convinced the handful of other people in the program whose lives were being saved by it to withdraw from it so the FDA conditions could be met...

So that millions of others could benefit one day from this breakthrough.

As mentioned, among the many auto-immune conditions researchers have found this program relieves is Crohn's disease.

That would be an excellent thing. And the selflessness of Rep. Ferraro would be responsible for that.

The only sliminess here is in the life of the beholder.

march11:

He was, is and will be as President. Out of all the candidates, Obama is in the best (albeit not perfect) position to ague was against the Iraq war from the outset.

Of course it would have been stronger if he was in the Senate and voted against it (but thank goodness he did not vote for it).

And the argument about voting against funding is BS. It would be irresponsible to do so - knowing Bush has no plans to get the troops out. Until we get a President that is ready to get the troops out - those men and women deserve every penny.

Obama also represents the cleanest break from George W. Bush (especially in the eyes of the rest of the world).

warren - McCain's response is in those numbers - Senator Obama, you do take money from lawyers & lobbyists - $11M in the primary contests alone." As I said, it's a dumb issue and not one that any candidate is likely totry and win with. And I will be voting for the candidate who will get us out of the war, as well.

AP - I'm sure that will be debated as well, although I'm guessing that FL & MI might lose that argument.

9/11, I had not heard that about Ferraro. My god, what a courageous choice.

pogo,

It's all character. She is so unselfish, she stays away from painkillers so her grandchildren will have an undrugged woman to love and remember.

William Fallon retiring over policy differences.

9/11, I always liked her when she was in the national political picture, but having watched two parents who suffered with debilitating, progressive diseases and a father-in-law and mother-in-law go through the surgery/chemo/radiation routine, she has my unqualified respect. And it certainly puts a spouse's support in a different light.

about William Fallon

http://www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php?q=node/4255

haha, someone really quick got to wiki, check out fallon's wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Fallon

do it quick before it goes away!

Damn, too late, anyway the entire wiki was one word "pussy"

I haven't kept up with all the posts so this may not be new, but here is my reason why Obama will never have Hillary as VP.

"Just one heartbeat away from the presidency"

He would positively have to sleep with one eye open.

It's coming down to brains vs. brawn

"Is Barack Obama a wimp? Forget about whether he is prepared to answer a ringing phone at 3 a.m. Is he prepared to answer the attacks of Hillary Clinton at high noon?

Obama is not incapable of defending himself. And, occasionally, he strikes back. But he seems like the guy who brings a Nerf bat to a knife fight.

She sees this race as a fight, not an intellectual exercise.

The battle now is not really for the pledged delegates, those won in caucuses and primaries. Both sides agree Obama will enter the Democratic convention with more pledged delegates. The real battle is to persuade the 795 party insiders, the superdelegates, to go with the candidate who can win in November.

In other words, who is tough enough to beat John McCain? And the one thing to keep in mind about McCain is not that he has a temper but that he is a warrior. He is a tough bird, and he knows how to fight. Does Obama?"

http://www.politico.com/rogersimon

Brian, where'd you see that about Fallon?

pogo,

You have got to give yourself credit along with them -- to be loved and loved and loved relieves a person of so many unnecessary complications.

It gives life more value than any struggle gives it pain.

The proposal won't work. When the primary was held in January, none of the candidates campaigned in the state. That advantaged Senator Clinton, with whom voters were much more familiar. Yes, Florida voters have televisions and can watch the two candidates in other states, but if that were sufficient to introduce a candidate to a state's electorate, the campaigns wouldn't bother to pour resources into on-the-ground operations and move around the state holding town-hall meetings and other local events.

If Senator Clinton wants to use the votes she won on January 29, she can appeal to the DNC's credentials committee. Otherwise, Florida will have to go for a complete do-over...no matter how messy.

9/11, my part took little effort & I didn't feel their pain. I was just the son - what else could I do? Credit, nope.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23578902/

Fallon Stepping down

Thanks March - I was on MSNBC's site when I asked.

Jesus H. Christ. Gates is a f*cking dervish. Sorry.

Gordo:

I hope you read the whole article about Obama being a "wimp." The author does not appear to be an Obama supporter - and provides a pretty objective view that Obama has not tore into HRC like some of her supporters on this board like to make out....

And none of those attributes mitigate the fact that what GF said was offensive, unnecessary and racist.

How about this:

If Hillary didn't sleep with Bill Clinton, there's no way that a woman with her public record would have been elected Senator.

Belittling. sexist and offensive.

"Yes, Florida voters have televisions and can watch the two candidates in other states, but if that were sufficient to introduce a candidate to a state's electorate, the campaigns wouldn't bother to pour resources into on-the-ground operations and move around the state holding town-hall meetings and other local events."

LESD

Obama gave them more than just watching him in other states. He gave them a whole round of cable advertisement on CNN among others using the excuse of a "National Buy" something that was avoided by the other candidates. IOW, he cheated. A symptom of future things to come.

Alpha is a fine name for someone who sits ex cathedra.

latin, I'm impressed.

Craig, your proposal is way too logical. They'll never do it.

There's more to the Spitzer story than we know about yet.

tt

At least we still have free speech. If people didn't say these things no one would know there was a problem. Be thankful , people can say what they want, whether you personally think it is right or wrong.

I swear, some people look for problems their whole entire lives, instead of looking for ways to make things better.

And none of those attributes mitigate the fact that what GF said was offensive, unnecessary and racist.

How about this:

If Hillary didn't sleep with Bill Clinton, there's no way that a woman with her public record would have been elected Senator.

Belittling. sexist and offensive.

Posted by: alpha1906
Not the first time you posted those very word
but the first time you stepped up and admitted what you are.

Sinbad Unloads on Hillary Clinton

Sinbad, along with singer Sheryl Crow, was on that 1996 trip to Bosnia that Clinton has described as a harrowing international experience that makes her tested and ready to answer a 3 a.m. phone call at the White House on day one, a claim for which she's taking much grief on the campaign trail.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/03/sinbad_unloads_on_hillary_clin.html

"If Hillary didn't sleep with Bill Clinton, there's no way that a woman with her public record would have been elected Senator. "

Alpha,

That is actually a legitimate question to ask. Ferraro was wrong to make her remark a statement of fact rather than a question of possibility. It is a sad statement, that we can't even ask the question of press favorability toward either candidate for reasons other than actual qualifications for the job.

Look at the resumes of Biden, Edwards, Dodd and Richardson. They were virtually frozen out of the race because the press wanted a Clinton/Obama race. Well they got one. Ferraro had the courage to bring this out in the open for Obama, and I just heard your statement about Clinton on MSNBC. They phrased it as "married to a President", but it was the same question.

What is wrong with asking the questions?

Fallon just resigned.

God Bless.

Talking about it now on MSNBC.

God Bless.

Better get ready, War is coming to a neighborhood near you very soon.

God Bless.

Maybe this primary is bringing out a lot of truths for people and/or individuals to own up to and decide what they are going to do about it.

Well we know she could have gotten elected Senator from Tenn. since she has similar work experience to Fred Thompson prior to her marriage to President Clinton. Lawyer and worked on the Watergate Committee and she was on the good side.

She could have gotten elected in Minn as did Paul Wellstone due to the work she did with children and families and her activism is both college and lae school.

As for only being related to a president as a qualification. Worked pretty well for Bobby Kennedy,.

She could have been a welcome candidate in a lot of states.

Now HRC is commenting on the GF statement.

$15,000.00 reportedly spent by Spitzer

Holy cow

AP, help me to understand. You say God Bless. Could you expand on what you mean?

Flatus...

That is how I have signed off since being on line. Its my way of wishing everyone well.

No Religious intent meant and I hope you didn't take it that way.

God Bless.

Alpha, Brian

Keep playing the race card and watch your candidate go down in flames. Most likely take the whole party with him.
McCain must be loving it when you two spout your shit.

Jack

Flatus...

To further clarity at the end of my comment its my way of wishing everyone well.

God Bless.

Jack it's not us playing the race card. Keep the focus on yourself!

Thanks, AP. I was stuck on thinking that it meant God was blessing your words to the exclusion of others. I'm okay now.

AP and Flatus

Isn't "god bless" a Southern speech pattern?

Flatus...

Sometimes I even say God Bless you to the person I'm replying too or God Bless everyone to all those currently on the site and even just plain old.

God Bless all.

Brian
Your so stupid you don't even know what the race card means in urban politics.

Jack

march, just a wild guess, but is Hillary saying she does not agree with Ferraro's assessment of the reason for Obama's success?

And another Clintonite resorts to name calling. *yawn*

Just read about Adm Fallon's resignation. Good on him.

If there was ever an insane policy/tactic it was the sailing of two carrier groups into the Persian Gulf. Exceedingly threatening and fraught with the risk that some fool would attack them with exactly the results that Tonkin or Pearl Harbor produced.

I can only assume that Fallon opposed this deployment, but, as we all know, strategic decisions are not made in the field.

"Isn't "god bless" a Southern speech pattern?"

Usually "Bless Your Heart" ... Often translated as "Completely out of your mind, wrong, and stupid to boot, but God loves you anyway."

Point proved
To stupid back up your bullshit
and that is all you are.

Jack

Well, KGC, down here God Bless often means the same as "Love Jesus or Burn in Hell" (thats the message on a series of church sponsored road signs in the Low Country of South Carolina).

kc, FL, at least south and east of the panhandle, ain't southern. I never heard people say it when I grew up in the Heart of Dixie. The only person I ever heard use the term as a farewell before AP was Red Skelton. AP's the oly person I've ever heard use the term with a non religious connotation, and as an atheist, I notice that kind of speech.

Jack you sound a tad shrill there.

kgc...

I really don' t know. Its just something that I do because I feel blessed each and every morning I wake up that I have been given another day.

There is so much violence and hate in the world today that any day could be the last. If I can be thankful for each and every day than I would like to think that we all are blessed to have another day.

I could walk out the door and be in an accident on my way to work, or filling up my vehicle or shopping and be robbed, or get hit by lighting.

We never know when our time is up and we should always be thankful at the end of the day that we made it through it.

And even more thankful if we wake up from our sleep.

It don't matter what religion one is or which God one believes in or don't. We should all be thankful for any and all blessings were given.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Take care and...

God Bless.

lol
Still can back your bullshit can you
All you know how to do is call names
You can't argue a point, because your ignorant.

Jack

pogo...

Thank you for your kind words.

God Bless.

Afternoon economic news - the Dow gained 416 today - biggest gain in 5 years.

Anon
I like the "God Bless"
It reminds me of several older women from my childhood. They were there when this child needed a friendly face. So keep it up

Jack

will it stick ? I am betting not

AP, I don't see them as all that kind, but you're welcome. BTW, even though I may be an atheist, I take any help I can get.

stick, talking about the Dow

not the God bless

Thanks to all for the answers. Once again we are a very diverse lot.

Flatus
It never would have occured to me that AP's "god bless" might refer to his post. But I guess if I drove by that billboard everyday it would color my view.

Jack there's is no point to argue, it's obvious the Clinton campaign is engaged in race baiting. Apologizing for inappropriate remarks is becoming a weekly campaign event for the Clintons. From Bob Kerry to Mark Penn, to this most recent case involving Ferraro.

march, lol - I thought you meant the poo being flung between Jack and Brian. I think you're right. I think volatile is the word for the Dow.

Jack I think the entire world knows Obama is a person of color. Do we really the Clinton campaign to keep reminding us?

pogo...

Funny you should mention Red Skelton. My grandmother and grandfather use to watch his show. It was one of the few shows they watched that I liked.

I must say though that I don't remember him ever saying that. His was indeed a family show worth watching. Not like whats on today.

I must admit though that I like a certain crime shows like NCI, CSI {original}, Criminal Minds and a few others.

Bowling, Fishing and now those Poker events. Sorry, not a big sports fan. I also like Keith Olbermann though there are those here who don't like him.

Was also a big fan of Perry Mason, 77 Sunset Strip, Manix, the Westerns like Pallidin, Sugar Foot, The Rebel, Wagon Train, Rawhide, Cheyenne and many others too numerous to mention.

Oh well, enough about me. And thank you again for the kind words.

God Bless.

Well the weather seems to be breaking, croucus are starting to bloom. I've got a bunch of stuff I've put off till good weather. There come a time in any discussion group where you have to take a break. This time for me appears to be now. See you all down the road. Either somewhere else or here if the place is still here.
Email me incare of yahoo

Jack

lol Jack

pogo...

Forgot to add that anytime I'm not being bashed for my tin foil hat views I also feel blessed. LOL...LOL...LOL...

God Bless.

AP, I think he actually said "May God bless" - he ended every show with those words. Jamie???

Jack - is it whiskeyjackyahoocom?

Jack...

Isn't that what frogs do? Crou and cus.

God Bless.

pogo
no someone already had that one thus my misspelling
whskyjackatyahoo.com

Jack

AP, considering what you watched as a kid, we could have been brothers of different mothers. Now when it comes to CSI, etc., I haven't been bitten.

And keep that tinfoil hat handy - while I may deny many of the things you fear, I've been wrong once or twice in my life, and could be again.

Bye Jack.

Well, I have tile to lay - later.

Bye Jack.

pogo...
Only the original CSI. I'm not really to interested in the others.

Buffy was fun to watch as was many of the old horror movies with Lon Cheney {no relation as far as I know to the Dark Lord} and well as Abbot and Costello.

We also had Sherlock Holmes, Charlie Chan and the stables for us children like Mickey Mouse, Wonderful World of Disney and some others.

Now I'm starting to show my age and feeling like an old, old person who's seeing his future as in a second childhood stage. Too many shows popping into my head.

With Fallon leaving the chance of canceled elections becomes more of a real possibility, as does war. I too hope and pray that I'm wrong, but the evil that resides in the Peoples House and this current administration is nothing to take lightly.

Would they start a War with Iran? If any administration would this would be the one to do it.

So you all can go back to your regular scheduled programming and have all your arguments over who you feel will be a better President.

Hillary or Obama. I say Obama and you say Hillary. I agree to disagree.

Take care all and ....

God Bless.

Defense chief says Fallon's leaving is not precursor to war

Associated Press - March 11, 2008 4:23 PM ET

PENTAGON (AP) - Admiral William Fallon's resignation as U.S. military commander in the Middle East follows an article in Esquire magazine describing him as a lone voice against taking military action against Iran over its nuclear program.

But Defense Secretary Robert Gates says it would be "ridiculous" to suggest that Fallon's resignation signals that the United States is planning to go to war with Iran.

Gates also says he sees "no differences at all" between Fallon's and the administration's approach to Iran.

Still, in a statement released by Central Command, Fallon said the reports "have become a distraction at a critical time," making it "difficult" for him to do his job."

I read Gates statement and I hear Nixon saying "I am not a crook."

Given the comments today from Ms. Ferraro, I was reminded of this article from a frequent contributor to Salon that states, among other interesting things, "But if he weren't black, and Hillary had opposed the war, I'd probably vote for her because of her greater experience. In any case, it's a moot point, because if Obama weren't black, he would not be the Democratic front-runner." Like Sen. Obama, the author is bi-racial.

It's interesting that Sen. Obama has regularly gotten over 80% of the black vote in the primaries but one is criticized if it is mentioned that some of these voters must be choosing this candidate based primarily on skin color. If that belief weren't true, wouldn't the distribution of the black vote for Sen. Obama more closely resemble the breakdown of the white vote cast for him (about 45%). Can we not discuss this because we secretly know better than to judge one based on color of skin than content of character?

http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/02/26/obama/

Do I understand it correctly that the republican party in Fl congress decided to change the date? Did the democrats have any choice?
I say keep the vote in Fl and vote over in MI
Obama loses the big states anyway.
Go Hillary

Anon

Thanks much for a most pleasant & needed diversion from the goings on herein. Just reading your list of old TV shows, sparks good memories.

Like Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush's surrogate father Hitler he got rid of all those Military Generals who would oppose him.

Now all that will be left is his *sskissing Generals. They will all go along with a new War with no regards for our Soldiers or us as it will lead to a Nuclear War.

Is there any hope left? I really don't know, but I sure wish there is.

God Bless.

Clinton lost the black vote after they started to engage in race baiting.

Obama got the black vote after he egaged in race baiting.

We can't talk about him being black, half-black or half white, because if you do, then you run the risk of being ridiculed as being a racist or playing a race card.

However, I believe that if you are also black, half-black and half-white you can say whatever you want among your peers. Or on the other hand, if you are white and a pundit on TV you can talk about the voting block of AA, and who is getting what % of that vote.

Blogs are particularly dangerous because no one really knows who they are talking to, and some comment may be offensive to other bloggers.

Black comedians have been allowed to say all the bad words that would be offensive if spoken by , say a white person.

Sometimes, people change their moniker so they can say things they normally are either afraid to say, or normally would not say.

That's my take.

Carol...

Yes they did, however they were offered bonus delegates if they would hold there Primaries later on. They ignored the DNC and refused to do that.

It makes no difference that the Republicans set the date. They could have refused and scheduled there later, they did not.

And if you read my links I posted above you will see that they tried this before in 2004 and McAuliffe threatened to strip half there delegates if they went ahead with the early primary.

They backed off and avoided what were seeing now. The whole idea from what I read was that they wanted to challenge the DNC Rules and were willing to lose delegates to it. Never thinking that it would matter as the race was suppose to be locked up on Febuary 5th with Hillary as the nominee.

I say seat Florida and redo the Caucus in Michigan. She got 55 % in the Michigan Caucus so why is she scared now to re hold a Caucus in Michigan.

God Bless.

Coreen...

Your welcome.

God Bless.

Brian, you say she lost the black vote because of race baiting. I disagree.

I live in South Carolina. I take a keen interest in politics. I'm a genuine, card carrying, member of the SPLC, supporter of the NAACP, contributor to the Boys and Girls Clubs, outspoken, demonstrating liberal. And proud of it.

What I saw transpire here was accurately reflected in the New Republic article that someone linked to yesterday. It was shameful. And, the black folk I know were so embarrassed they turned their heads rather than look me in the eye.

Mr Obama's campaign didn't need to resort to the tactics that were used here; he could have won based on the merits of his candidacy.

If memory serves, this alleged race baiting by the Clintons that lost her the black vote began with the comparison of Sen. Obama's win in the SC primary to those of Jesse Jackson in that state. But Sen. Obama had already won 82% of the black vote in that SC primary in the course of his victory there. How could Sen. Obama get the black vote in that primary based on something that happened after the vote?

Carol and Anon

the DNC only offered a token amount of the money needed to hold the election on another day,

It is also important to remember the Democrats needed to have a reason to get people to the polls on 1/29 as well because of the tax measure on the ballot.

The National Democrats should have done a better job of trying to work it out with the state party and understanding the pressure and tactics being used by the Republicans. For a party trying to expand its base they blew a big change in a purplish state to trend back to blue.

When campaigning began in SC the Obama campaign circulated a memo of the alleged racial slurs made by the Clintons.
HuffPost gives me this:

Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has prepared a detailed memo listing various instances in which it perceived Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign to have deliberately played the race card in the Democratic primary. The memo, which was obtained by the Huffington Post and has been made public elsewhere, is believed to have been given to an activist and contains mostly excerpts from different media reports. It lists the contact info and name of Obama's South Carolina press secretary, Amaya Smith, and is broken down into five incidents in which either Clinton, her husband Bill, or campaign surrogates made comments that could be interpreted as racially insensitive.

In putting together a memo on these comments, the Obama campaign is seemingly implying that they are part of a larger, ugly pattern of the Clintons trying to politicize the issue of race. Prominent African-American figures have argued as much.

Hillary's scary trip to Bosnia.
http://images.politico.com/global/image001.jpg

Jack -- come on, stick around. You are one of the sane ones.

P

The race baiting began before SC, I believe it started with Bob Kerry. I'm surprised no one from the Clinton campaign has gone after Mohammad Ali because of his name. Get my point?

"But Sen. Obama had already won 82% of the black vote in that SC primary in the course of his victory there. How could Sen. Obama get the black vote in that primary based on something that happened after the vote?"

After the election Pres Clinton was asked a direct question about SC voting patterns and the turnout . He answered it honestly that AA residents of SC had voted their own self interest in voting for Sen Obama just as they had in voting for Jesse Jackson. The Obama campaign and the media chose to shape this as a racist remark instead of political analysis.

Women have been coming unglued because of the way pundits like Matthews have treated Sen. Clinton. Has this made more women of a certain age vote for her than might otherwise be the percentage ... Just look at the polls. It's not quite as overwhelming as the AA vote, but it's there.

Maxtrue,
Yesterday you said the Dems were wishing for the economic sky to fall in , today the FEDS came with a $200 Billion bailout package for the financial institutions.
Add to this the $150 Billion "stimilus package" and you get a "rescue package" of $350 Billion or 2.5% of GDP.
Wall Steet cheered today but reality will soon set in.
Many reputable economists and analysts believe that the depth of the problems requires and intervention of 3.5% to 4% of GDP.Go do the maths.
What is clear is that the piece meal approach does not foster long term confidence in GWB or Big Ben.
Also, figures released today shows the trade gap widening and oil climbing to $109.72 per barrel.
Remember the Merril Lynch forecast for oil:- $120 to $150 per barrel by year end.
Its the Repugs who need a reality check not the Dems.
Dems will have to clean up this mess once again.

In court papers, Client 9 — identified by another law enforcement official as Spitzer — hurried to get more than $4,000 in cash to pay a call girl at a Washington hotel. From AP.

What in God's name could she/he do for $4K in one night? Boggles the mind.

tt

People are pawning their stuff to buy gas.

http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080311/NEWS01/103110030/1009

tt

Tv reported he has been seeing prostitutes for 6 years....they say he has spent 15K.....

kgc...

I know all about the tax rebate as I voted against it. After all I rent and my landlord will still raise my rent when my lease is up.

Also the money lost to the state under a false Insurance rebate will now cost taxpayers more for public services.

Since I'm an Independent and could not vote for any of the elected officials that make the laws I have to abide by the only thing on my ballot was the tax rebate. They could have still set a later date and the people would still have come out to vote on the Insurance Scam Rebate Charlie Christ put up for a vote and and got more delegates.

Like I said above they didn't care since they had tried to challenge the process in 2004. Instead they lost those delegates and now want them back.

I say too bad, so sad.

Seat them the way they would have been given from the vote and redo a Caucus in Michigan.

Since Hillary won the Caucus there why is she afraid to have a caucus now?

No more Clinton or Obama for me tonight. I can't change your mind and you can't change mine. Lets just say we both agree to disagree okay?

God Bless.

Here are the court docs.

"Spitzer Linked To Hooker Probe"

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0310082spitzer1.html

tt

I feel bad for people who have a long commute. I can easily see gas @ 4.50 gallon.

On an old re-run of Lets Make a Deal...remember that oldie? the bummer curtain was 1000 gallons of gas....lol

anon p.

No problem. There is plenty we agree on that is much scarier.

tt...

Maybe she's real good at keeping it up for him. Or maybe he was on Viagra and so he needed a real good trickster for the length of time the Viagra would be working.

All I know is what someone said above {forget who} that I could find something better to spend 4 grand on.

God Bless.

If the point is that names of both Bob Kerrey and Muhammad Ali are misspelled, then yes, I understand. But what Bob Kerrey has to do with the Clinton's alleged race baiting is still a mystery.

This memo from Sen. Obama's campaign in SC mentioned, among other things, that the Clinton camp was race baiting by mentioning Sen. Obama's drug use. He admitted to it in his book! How is this racist? And doesn't that bring into question the other charges made in that memo? Notwithstanding what people want to believe, the "fairy tale" remark from the former President was about Sen. Obama's position on the Iraq War, not his candidacy. There's video.

anon, why pay $4K for a cow when milk's free? Or so the saying goes.

tt

kgc...

Forgot to add that the tax issue was the only thing on the ballot I got. Now if that wasn't a waste of Tax Payer money then tell me what is.

God Bless.

AP

I thought the whole purpose for moving up the primary was to have a tax measure when Republicans thought there would be a turnout they could control. Their plan was to depress the Democratic turnout.