Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

By the by -- Just as the Clinton team has daily and weekly talking points about message that the campaign strategists want to go out, so does the Obama team.

The latest Obama talking point is for Hillary to drop out lest she "continue to destroy party unity." The biggest talker n this point has been Bill Richardson this week -- said while Obama took his vacation (another strategic ploy -- to convey that he has the nominaion wrapped). Like lemmings to the sea, most pundits have repeated this campaign talking point, giving it an air of viability.

The reality is several issues have emerged to bump the Obama momentum. He's had a horrible month of one negative story after another concerning his relationship with the racist minister preaching anti-American sentiment, his close association with federally-indicted slum lord Tony Rezko, his friendship with convicted bombers Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn.

Hillary Clinton's polling numbers have surged in the last three weeks. She has a 20 point lead in Pennsylvania, and pulled to even in North Carolina. This worries the Obama camp and hence the latest talking point strategy to posit that Hillary Clinton "can't win" therefore she should be a lady and just drop out of the race. If you were dropping like a stone in the polls in two critical states that would be just the ploy to use to undercut your opponent. Put out the lie that your opponent can't win -- so people won't vote for her. Another sneaky sleight of hand tactic from the O-Team.

Voters beware.

Apparently it must be MOST hard to elect a McGovern.....

Good Morning Craig, Everyone:

You have an interesting take on Hillary's Bosnia issue and I agree with it. Honestly outside of opposition hatred for Hillary I don't understand why it is such a major issue. We would have to look long and hard going through a list of presidents that have not exaggerated their resumes.

Hmmm sounds like a job for Doris Kearns Goodwin or Michael Beschloss :-))

Sincerely,
Heather

McGovern's got lots of room to talk......who'd he lose to and how many states did HE carry?

lol

"It is allready 11:00 in the morning in Amsterdam and this man is allready working for 4 hours!"

ROFL, Jason....back in 1970 when I lived in Germany with my GI husband, he gave me the choice of going to either London or Amsterdam for a week vacation. I chose Amsterdam with NO hesitation. Ah -- after all that time in Germany, I could order a glass of cold milk at a sandwich shop! What a city!

I lose more respect for Eugene Robinson on a daily basis. He's now trying to spin that Hillary's memory of Bosnia is part of a psycho autobiographical movie in her head.

I will say this: when I was in the Golan Heights during the mid-'90s I stayed one night at a settlement. As I went to bed I could hear bombs going off in the distance. There was no violence at that settlement, but when I think about the trip to the Golan Heights, my only memory is of hearing bombs.

the democrats must have some kind of political
deathwish when it comes to presidential elections.
they have all the ammuntion they need 'take careful aim'have the whitehouse in the crosshairs and what do they do? shoot theirselves in the foot.
they have clinton' who can stand toe toe and fight any republican and they are trying to push her aside and nominate another loser.
they say well clinton will say or do anything to get elected. if you want to elect a president thats what you have to have. you want to listen to john kerry' ted kennedy ' and all the rest of the losers who don't know how to win a national election. the democrats don't deserve to be in the whitehouse.you want to be all touchy feely and sensitive thats fine' get ready for another republican whitehouse.
say what you want about the clintons they know how to win.
the politics of hope and change
i hope you know you can't change anything if you lose
the far left has never elected a president 'never will

Here's a good story from Mother Jones about Hillary's religion.

"Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer.""

Read the rest of the 4 page story at link below.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

This is some weird stuff if true makes Hillary more dangerous than some Right Wing religious nuts.

I hear jesus talk and I think of crusades, schisms, and inquisitions......the only reason those things are "history" is that most people have evolved beyond fairy tales for belief systems.....

How relieved I am to see that others of you think this is one more example of the MSM writing off Sen. Clinton. You won't find a bigger fan of MSNBC than me, but lately I can hardly bear to watch. Their anti-Clinton bias is painfully obvious, as if they've been saving it up for eight years waiting for another Clinton to make a run for the White House. I wonder, in 2036, if Chelsea runs for president, will those MSM pundits who are still alive bare their fangs once again in a Pavlovian reaction to the word "Clinton"?

they hate the Clintons because they are free......

chuck hagel on Imus.....

Chuck Hagel on his Iraq war vote.......the administration lied.....the admin told them that the vote was only for additional leverage....not war.....Hagel was lied to by the administration.

Here's how it really is.

The C-17 crews may make only one trip a month to a particular base. Or they may make one trip a year. It's unlikely that they would make one trip a week.

Before they take-off they are given a briefing by Air Mobility Command intelligence people. This briefing would include what type of threat they might experience while taking off or landing. In a hostile environment, such as around Tusla, the threat would undoubtedly include attack by shoulder fired SAMs with a range of a couple of miles to the potential for small arms fire.

Based on the threat environment, the operations people would decide what type of mission profile to plan.

In a case with DVs aboard as well as USO entertainers, it is highly likely they would plan their arrival in anticipation of SAMs being fired, or of small arms fire. Hence, the 'corkscrew' arrival.

The passengers would have been briefed by the crew either before they boarded the aircraft or while they were on the airplane. The briefing would be intended to raise their adrenalin level to the point where there would be instant compliance with any orders given by the crew.

If there was anything really hot going on when they were on approach, the crew would have been briefed in-flight and it would have been their responsibility to either proceed or abort.

No matter how Hillary characterized the threat upon her arrival, I did see a whole bunch of grunts walking around wearing their body armor and carrying their weapons.

It disturbs me when people such as Matthews or Tuckah or Olbermann talk with 'expert' (snicker) knowledge about what she said or what the threat actually was.

She had the courage to go their, and the courage to take her daughter showing her what the world is really like.

Reference my last:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/hillarys-bosnian-fib-play.html#comment-58373

It really ticks me off that McPeak, a General Officer of the United States, would allow Mr Obama's campaign to repeatedly mischaracterize what transpired.

I think he has his own agenda--one that I think is not honorable.

Oh, in the last sentence, change 'their' to 'there' . Which goes to prove that I'm far from perfect, too.

Dear Flatus: Thanks for the military perspective. It helps to hear what goes on "behind the scenes."

I agree with Craig...this flap might actually help her. At least she has been to Bosnia. It proves that she also has a "world view."

Craig -- I just read that you are going to be in C-ville for the book fest. Sorry I'll miss you. I'm teaching this weekend in Stafford. But I am taking the kiddos to Michie Tavern and Monticello today as part of our American Revolution studies, prompted b the John Adams series on HBO. The kids have been watching it and they are fascinated. We went to Gunston Hall yesterday, several sites in Alexandria tomorrow., plus the cherry blossoms at the TJ Memorial. Gotta get on the road -- happy blogging y'all!

Parent not hero portrayed in 'Dreams from My Father'

"In his autobiographical book "Dreams from My Father," Barack Obama paints a heroic picture of his father as having emerged from a poor Kenyan village, where he was nothing more than a simple goat herder, to become a Harvard-educated economist, destined to return to Africa to fulfill his promise.

Unfortunately, the reality is much bleaker than the tale Obama tells in his book.

In truth, Barack Obama senior, Obama's father, was a polygamist who had already abandoned one wife and child in Africa when he met Obama's mother in Hawaii.

After being educated at Harvard, Obama senior returned to Africa, abandoning Obama and his mother, to live the life of a chronic alcoholic who ultimately killed himself in his second drink-induced car accident, while driving drunk on the streets of Nairobi."

(Yes, I know it is WND.)

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59850

After my dog George got me up so early I cruised around reading some blogs and posts. I don't believe I have ever been as demoralized about the future of the Democratic party as I now am. It used to be that the Freepers invaded message boards and spewed their vile right wing ideas with the worst sort of ugliness. They very often used sexual messages to make a point, talking in bizarre terms of gang rapes in prison and simply awful sexist viewpoints about either women or -- men who were Democrats.

The case in point this morning is a couple of places where the discussion had been Chelsea Clinton's "None of your business" answer. These new young "Democrats" -- I'm sure they think they are liberals -- are starting to sound exactly like their Freeper compadres.

If this is the crowd that has been attracted, and who are taking over the party, then THAT will spell the end of the real Democratic party, not whether Hillary and Obama are duking it out in a primary,

Patsi, you're so perceptive. :-)

I think there's little chance of the party surviving in a form that will make me comfortable.

(Rosten's Education should arrive today. While I was looking for a place to stash it, I rediscovered his Joys of Yiddish. Today must surely be a special day!)

Let me preface what I'm about to say with...I just woke up and I've had no coffee...

but...I'm glad JoeS is back on MoJo -

Hopefully he's learned his lesson about letting the nuts run the asylum.

Patsi: College kids don't remember what it was like when Bill Clinton was President. Obama has done a superb job of bulking the Clintons together with Bush/Cheney...part of the "Washington politics as usual" problem. The Obama campaign (with the help of the media) has done an excellent job of "reverse plastic surgery" on the couple who once were the heroes of the Democratic Party. Whether or not the party can recover is debatable.

Wendy: Yes, Joe was actually likable today...he may be "back!"

Carl Jeffers is on Imus right now. I love Carl!

I know she is supposed to be smart however I don't agree with Craig's idea. Hillary Clinton is a congenital liar and this is just another one. Remember she said she helped solve the Irish Peace Agreement, that she was involved in the passage of NAFTA which she now negates. She is a dangerous person with a severe personality disorder.

Wow my day is made:

At least my morning will get a great start with Harold Ford Jr. congratulations to Harold on analyst job at MSNBC and DLC the Democratic Party will only improve and strengthen under his sensible leadership! Amen!

--Heather

I think the fib was deliberate but to figure it would end up as a plus? If Senator Clinton's campaign were that clever the primary fight would be over.

I hope a lots of Wahoos show up on Saturday!
The other guy sounds like fun..currently running the. "American Expatriate Cocktail Research Station in Belize, Central America. " I'd be interested in that research.

The Obama campaign is certainly full of myths. They are now claiming all the credit for increases in Democratic party registration. What a load of crap
They are claiming credit for all of the increases in the younger vote ignoring the increases in 2006 and 2004 and the fact the percentage increase in 2007-8 is the same)

I will vote for Obama if he is the Democratic nominee but I will never forgive the Obama supporters I know who have based their support on lies about either Hillary or Bill Clinton.

A lot of talk earlier in the year about the soul of the Republican Party. It looks like an epic battle in the Democratic Party as well. It looks like a battle between
liight weight cocktail party liberals and blue collar Americans who are being left behind.
As Obama would say "Let them eat argula!"

Catchy Obama phrases have been used before

"Evidence is accumulating that Barack Obama is an equal opportunity plagiarist, readily borrowing some of the catchiest lines in his campaign speeches and ads from a variety of literary, movie, political and popular sources, all without giving credit or attribution to the original source.

In the 2006 movie "Man of the Year," Robin Williams plays a comedian who gets elected president.

In the movie, Williams gives a speech in which he says, "Red States, Blue States. There [are] no Red States and Blue States. There's only the United States of America."

Obama, in his 2008 Iowa caucus victory speech said, "Because we not a collection of Red States and Blue States. We are the United States of America."

(Yes, I know it is WND.)

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59904

My sharp eagle eye noticed the American flag pin on Harold's lapel unlike "you know" that refuses to wear one.
--Heather

^who

Drat

Craig is finally doing something at an hour I can watch and I'll be in registration training for the caucus. Is anybody close enough to do it in person.

Flatus - this relates to your excellent 7:53 analysis - small clip of a story from '96 about the actual visit - from reporter who was on the trip. While she may have embellished, puffed up, mis-remembered...whatever it was...it sounds like the situation was tense and I'm sure Hillary would have been briefed on it.

"MRS. CLINTON DELIVERS A 'THANK YOU' TO US PEACEKEEPING FORCES IN BOSNIA
Published on March 26, 1996
Author(s): Ron Fournier, Associated Press

MARKOVICI, Bosnia-Herzegovina -- Protected by sharpshooters, Hillary Rodham Clinton swooped into a military zone by Black Hawk helicopter yesterday to deliver a personal "thank you, thank you, thank you" to US troops."

What I heard her say was that a reception had to be moved indoors because of sniper fire. Thats all. Here, and with Matthews last night, you and he make it sound like she said she was personally under fire and had to "duck and cover" as Matthews put it. So, unless you heard something different from her than I did, this is yet again an example of the media twisting and shaping things to suit their own story lines.

Katherine: And that was my point on the blog yesterday. It is because many of her supporters are women (and men) over a certain age and of a certain income/education level, that the media can ignore their votes and their will.

David Brooks was on Morning Joe this morning saying that most Democrats support Obama. I think this is debatable considering that he hasn't managed to close the deal. He was supposed to close on Super Tuesday. Then on Super Tuesday II. And guess what? He couldn't wrap it up. He is the Matt Hasselbeck of politics (OK Seahawks fans, back off, this is just my opinion. Matt is not a closer.)

As I said, the Obama campaign and the media have impuned the reputation of beloved figures in the Democratic party (to many). Need I remind everyone that Bill Clinton was the first Democrat to win reelection to the presidency since Franklin Roosevelt? And left office with a 65% approval rating? Now Bill is a racist, maniacial and divisive lunatic who will do anything to get Hillary elected so his dynasty will come to fruition.

Morning all. Linked below is the latest proposal being floated for seating FL delegates -- it's another permutation of cutting the delegates in half. But check out how the perversity of the convoluted proportional rules is amplified even further by this approach. HRC wouldn't just lose half of her 38 delegate margin. According to this story, her delegate lead would shrink from 38 to six. Here's how that happens -- using an example from just one of the state's congressional districts:

"But cutting the delegate total by half would almost wipe out Clinton's lead, thanks to a party rule requiring that a candidate who gets at least 15 percent in a given congressional district receive at least one delegate.

One example is Orlando's 8th Congressional District, where Clinton won with 54 percent to Obama's 29 percent, worth three delegates to Obama's one. But if the state gets only half of its pledged delegates, Clinton would get one delegate and Obama one, because he met the 15 percent threshold."

Whole story is a good read:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-dems2608mar26,0,507190.story

It is not an Obama talking point or a media bias - it is called math.

It is very difficult to imagine away the Hillary can win the nomination - and this hope that a super-majority of the super delegates will hand her the nomination after she lost the primary is a bigger fantasy than her trip to Bosnia.

Ally

Bobo Brooks just pimping his own column which he lifted from the righwing Politico which gets all its stuff from Drudge. No one in the media does any original work. They all take their ques from Drudge

The world according to Obama no Democrat has ever done anything good. We have all just been waiting for him to arrive so we can rescue ourselves. No wonder Democrats who lead everyday lives shake their heads and walk away.

Obama needs to get rid of McPeak...the Bill Clinton crack was nothing compared to what is going to start bubbling to the surface about him - he's going to be a liability to Obama on the Israel issue as Obama continues to say one thing about Israel but then surrounds himself with people that say another...McPeak is the closest person to him now linked to anti-Israel /anti-Jewish statements. Eventually he's not going to be able to wiggle away from these anti-Israel / anti-Jewish views.

The article linked also includes some interesting tidbits about the Iraq war...seems to mirror the Power fiasco in some ways too.

It's not getting a lot of mainstream coverage...yet...but they did a little segment on it on "The Race" on POTUS08 yesterday...so it is bubbling.

"The interview of Tony McPeak in the Oregonian has turned into a bigger headache for Barack Obama than first thought. Obama’s chief military adviser told the newspaper in a 2003 interview that the US should keep troops in Iraq for “a century … if we do [the war] right,” echoing exactly the same sentiments that Obama has ridiculed as “a hundred years of war” when John McCain made them. Now Obama has to explain why the former Air Force Chief of Staff blames the Jews for the Iraq war..."

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/26/obama-adviser-war-the-fault-of-american-jews/

Open question:

Does anyone have contact with Wolfson? I would like to know if Sinbad has passed the Clinton campaign commander-in-chief test....

The "new dream ticket"?

Clinton/Sinbad '08!!

Warren

Apparently you failed math. Obama does not have enough delegates to win and will need the same super delegates to get there.

Leo Rosten......anything by him is superb reading pleasure......the man who actually said (about Mr Fields) "Any man who hates dogs and children cant be all bad....."

Flatus

You ordered a copy of H*M*A*N K*A*P*L*A*N?

Patsi,
I had a glass of milk for you during lunch! :))

To be quite honest, I do not think the fib was intentional. I do not think Hill can afford these fibs. The only way is up, and this kind of fibbing is not helping. Even in Holland it made headline news!

Hillary needs to wake up and smell the cheese. It is now or never.

And I do agree that the O campaign strategically send their guy on holidays. Giving people the feeling that he is actually allready the nominee....
On the other hand, according to ppp, Hill is losing NC by more than 20points.... She can lose states but she is not allowed to lose states lopsidedly, unless it is a caucus.

Any updates on Fl & Mi?

Obama is slipping in the national polls and doing poorly in the all the state primaries to come.

Looks like the math isn't going in his favor.

Poor poor Obama no caucus states coming
No busloads of college students to bring in.
Gee when everyone gets to vote the results are always so much different.

Hi Craig, I think I love you. haha Your spin on Hillary's trip was genius. You are exactly right. She had to know the MEDIA is looking for any mistake she could make. This time she got them YEAH.
Oh yes, as LADY she should drop out and let the MAN take over. Garbage.
Notice she came right out and said she made a mistake more than Obama said about his 20 years at his church and it was HIS church.
You know he still has not really answered the question WHY he did not drop the church or talk to Wright about his comments and try and change Wrights mind.
Wright is in hiding. Guess no one can find him.

Gordo - you are really getting desperate (and sloppy).

In 2004, Obama said:

The pundits, the pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too. We worship an "awesome God" in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2004/barackobama2004dnc.htm

"David Brooks was on Morning Joe this morning saying that most Democrats support Obama."

Also she has won the "Democratic" vote in almost every primary. SHE not HE has a majority of the Democratic votes...clearly he is as delusional as the rest of them.

KGC:

We will see how all those blue collar Dems feel after HRC tells everyone how rich she is...

two new studies suggesting Sirhan Sirhan wasnt the only shooter of RFK........

gee, ya think?

Another snipet on Hillary's Jesus group from Mother Jones link posted above.

"When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan."

It says a lot about Hillary and how she believes religion makes the elite like her and others the rightful rulers over the general populace.

So are you all ready to be raptured yet?

It seems like the Religious Right don't have the patent on religion after all.

warren

as opposed to the obama's...who not only are rich but]
cheap

And that is the dumbest argument ever. Are you saying John Edwards had no empathy for the poor
simply because of his wealth

The senate disclosure forms etc. all indicate the Clintons have done well since leaving the whitehouse
Americans have no problem with financial success as long as you don't leave your empathy behind.

You apparently never had any

Yes...they clearly have Wright in some safe house somewhere till all this blows over:

"Wright’s Fla. Event Canceled"

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/wrights-fla-event-canceled/

Warren has a dream.

Jammer:

"What I heard her say was that a reception had to be moved indoors because of sniper fire. Thats all. Here, and with Matthews last night, you and he make it sound like she said she was personally under fire and had to "duck and cover" as Matthews put it. So, unless you heard something different from her than I did, this is yet again an example of the media twisting and shaping things to suit their own story lines."

Hillary Clinton:

"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/campaign.wrap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Time to take Lucy for a walk and get to work...

(Don't forget to play nice ; )

Warren: You don't think they know she is rich by now?

Chuck Todd just said on MSNBC that the Superdelegates are "worried" she will win the next several states and make their decision "hard." Many wish she would quit now and make it easy for them to nominate Obama. I can't figure out which is worse: The possibility that Chuck Todd is spewing suppositions on national television or that he might be right and that the Superdelegates are a bunch of ninnies (proving again that Democrats don't win because they can't tell a story and may not even KNOW a story to tell.) Howard Dean is a fool if he thinks the calls for Hillary to drop out now are going to help the party.

Wendy:

Glad to see you are now a champion of suppressing free speech...

A little more about who some of the members are.

"Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance."

Good company she keeps huh?

Wow warren you must keep banker's hours.
I have never heard of an associate going to work after 9am

National Poll of Superdelegates:

[ ] Worried

[ ] Not worried

check one.

From page 3 of article.

"We contacted all of Clinton's Fellowship cell mates, but only one agreed to speak—though she stressed that there's much she's not "at liberty" to reveal. Grace Nelson used to be the organizer of the Florida Governor's Prayer Breakfast, which makes her a piety broker in Florida politics—she would decide who could share the head table with Jeb Bush. Clinton's prayer cell was tight-knit, according to Nelson, who recalled that one of her conservative prayer partners was at first loath to pray for the first lady, but learned to "love Hillary as much as any of us love Hillary." Cells like these, Nelson added, exist in "parliaments all over the world," with all welcome so long as they submit to "the person of Jesus" as the source of their power.

Throughout her time at the White House, Clinton writes in Living History, she took solace from "daily scriptures" sent to her by her Fellowship prayer cell, along with Coe's assurances that she was right where God wanted her. (Clinton's sense of divine guidance has been noted by others: Bishop Richard Wilke, who presided over the United Methodist Church of Arkansas during her years in Little Rock, told us, "If I asked Hillary, 'What does the Lord want you to do?' she would say, 'I think I'm called by the Lord to be in public service at whatever level he wants me.'")"

And by the way, Obama believes that anyone making more than $90,000 a year is wealthy. That guy has got a lot of nerve.

Warren:

I really did LOL at your last post

and who would those blue collar workers have be President? There is nobody left in the race that ISN'T WEALTHY.

You keep harping on how blue collar workers are going to feel about Hillary's wealth...which is a complete sign of desperation on your part because you know the Bosnia story isn't going to be the Jeremiah Wright story you want it to be.

Everyone keeps talking about how O' connects with people...well he hasn't connected with blue collar workers...just college kids and rich "typical white" folks. Hillary has connected with the worker bees...this is a done deal...they already know Bill and Hillary are wealthy...an exact figure from the Clinton tax return isn't going to change it.

Do a poll a month after Hillary Clinton's tax returns come out and I bet your average blue collar worker won't even be able to give you a ball park figure of what is on there. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE about how much Hillary made last year. THEY CARE about how much they're going to make next year.

ROFLMAO

Last night on H&C, Frank Luntz said Hillary has won the "Democratic" vote. Obama's lead is from Repubs & Indies.

Bishop Richard Wilke, who presided over the United Methodist Church of Arkansas during her years in Little Rock, told us, "If I asked Hillary, 'What does the Lord want you to do?' she would say, 'I think I'm called by the Lord to be in public service at whatever level he wants me.'")"

And this is terrible because????????????

How about some religion in public schools. You know, no separation of Church and State.

"But the senator's project isn't the conversion of her adversaries; it's tempering their opposition so she can court a new generation of Clinton Republicans, values voters who have grown estranged from the Christian right. And while such crossover conservatives may never agree with her on the old litmus-test issues, there is an important, and broader, common ground—the kind of faith-based politics that, under the right circumstances, will permit majority morality to trump individual rights. The libertarian Cato Institute recently observed that Clinton is "adding the paternalistic agenda of the religious right to her old-fashioned liberal paternalism." Clinton suggests as much herself in her 1996 book, It Takes a Village, where she writes approvingly of religious groups' access to schools, lessons in Scripture, and "virtue" making a return to the classroom."

Yes lets brainwash the young to serve and die for God like the religious right does. Sort of like Jesus Camp I would assume.

Warren:

I'm not...and if you'll go back to some of my posts from when the original Wright controversy broke, you'll see that I ACTUALLY said their are a few points I agree with Wright on - in particular US Foreign Middle East foreign policy having a lot to do with 9/11 - I've actually been known to say something very similar.

I don't care whether he speaks or not - he can speak wherever and whenever he wants and say whatever he wants. More power to him.

What I said in my post is the Obama campaign and perhaps Wright have decided to keep him on the down low for a bit while this blows over.

So....Warren...if anyone is suppressing free speech it is your ole friend Obama and his handlers...so go ahead turn that finger of your's right back around...how many times do Obama supporters have to do that...quite often I would say.

AP - can you just provide the links to the article/articles so we can read them if we choose...thanks.

Most Obama supporters live in a bizzaro world where they accuse Clinton of the very things they are doing.

kgc...

So its alright to let the elite rule over us since there doing it for Jesus?

Not because they want to do it to improve their citizens.

Real good company she's with who are working for Jesus.

"The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators."

Yes real good company.

Hillary has won more Democratic votes, you say? Okay, let's play the tape of the Obama camp's comeback to that:

"But what you people don't understand is that no nominee can be elected president with just Democrats. That's why we NEED Obama."

That's a pretty sorry organizing principle for a major political party, isn't it?

Basically, "we need to nominate someone who doesn't have the support of the majority of our own members." How warped is that?

Wendy! ...

I did early in the comment thread above.

I'm off to the gym to burn a little lard.

Catch you all later today.

AP

You are the only person I know who could turn a women's bible study group into a nefarious takeover of the world as we know it.

Women all over the nation are going to have to give up tea and cookies on Wednesdays now that Mother Jones has found out what they are up to.

"Craig the kool-aid has obviously fried your gray matter and you've gone insane, you've reached a new low in apologizing for the Clintons."

Does that mean you're going to quit the blog . . . again?

I guess that I should re dig up the link where it says she tried to impede the impeachment of Nixon for you all as well.

I'll see if I can find it again for you.

AP - ah...thanks...

guess that I should re dig up the link where it says she tried to impede the impeachment of Nixon for you all as well.

I'll see if I can find it again for you.

Posted by: anon-paranoid | March 26, 2008 9:40 AM

baloney dig up the link

Here's another link on The Family from The Nation.

Hillary's Nasty Pastorate

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/20/opinion/main3955108.shtml

Warren

"Glad to see you are now a champion of suppressing free speech"

And those calling for Hillary to quit are a sample of democracy in action?

If Obama nominated 28% of Clinton backers vote for McCain

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx

Gallup rolling daily, still nearly tied

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105664/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Clinton-Remain-Nearly-Tied.aspx

Now tell me again why she should quit?

Unable to find the Nixon impeachment link right now, but here is a link to a book that exposes the religious fundamentalist elite ruling class.

"From the bookjacket:

They are “the Family”—fundamentalism’s avant-garde, waging spiritual war in the halls of American power and around the globe. They consider themselves the “new chosen,” congressmen, generals, and foreign dictators who meet in confidential “cells,” to pray and plan for a “leadership led by God,” to be won not by force but through “quiet diplomacy.” Their base is a leafy estate overlooking the Potomac in Arlington, Virginia, and Jeff Sharlet is the only journalist to have written from inside its walls."

http://jeffsharlet.blogspot.com/2008/02/blog-post.html

" It Takes a Village, where she writes approvingly of religious groups' access to schools, lessons in Scripture, and "virtue" making a return to the classroom."

She has stated she doesn't want prayer in schools or religion specific doctrine, but what is wrong with teaching children the golden rule, being kind to each other, the value of work ... don't steal, don't murder ... hardly a virtue free environment if you want a decent society.

Wendy

"Does that mean you're going to quit the blog . . . again?"

It's necessary to remind us of his disapproval at least twice a day.

My sharp eagle eye noticed the American flag pin on Harold's lapel unlike "you know" that refuses to wear one.
--Heather

for you Heather,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=m1qE2vJdDw4

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

Yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Jamie...

So you think its alright to put religion in public schools according to what you wrote, that is if I read it correctly.

Isn't that what parents are suppose to do?

I guess you trot out the flag when it is convenient. How many flags did Obama have out during that race speech? 8 or so? I LOVE AMERICA! I LOVE AMERICA! I LOVE AMERICA! I wish we didn't have to play this game. I don't think anyone who didn't love this country would be a Senator or running for President. Nuff said.

MSNBC is quoting a PPP NC poll of 3/24 showing Obama up 21 points. A PPP NC poll of 3/17 showed Obama up 1 point. So in one week there was a 20 point turn around? Fishy?

In that 3/17 poll, Clinton actually led among Democrats. Again, Obama can't win his own party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/poll-clinton-catches-oba_n_92352.html

Below is more on who Obama holds close. Add him to ZBig, Malley, Powers and Rice. And then connect McPeak to some of the garbage Wright and Meeks spew. No, no connection at all.....

By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

JERUSALEM – Sen. Barack Obama's military adviser and national campaign co-chairman has implied U.S. politicians are afraid of Jewish voters in Miami and New York City and that American Jews are the "problem" impeding a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Merrill A. McPeak, a former Air Force chief of staff, also compared the Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist organizations to what he described as religious radicals in Oregon and claimed "born-again [Christians]" supported the war in Iraq to help Israel.

Discussing Middle East politics during a 2003 interview with the Oregonian newspaper McPeak stated, "We don't have a playbook for the Middle East. You know, for instance, obviously, a part of that long-term strategy would be getting the Israelis and the Palestinians together at . . .something other than a peace process. Process is not a substitute for achievement or settlement. And even so the process has gone off the tracks, but the process isn't enough."

(Story continues below)

The Oregonian interviewer asked McPeak whether the problem in solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict originated with the White House or the State Department.

"So where's the problem?" the interviewer asked.

McPeak replied, "New York City. Miami. We have a large vote – vote, here in favor of Israel. And no politician wants to run against it."

McPeak went on to insist that to solve the conflict, Israelis must "stop settling the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and maybe even withdraw some of the settlements that've already been put there. And nobody wants to take on that problem. It's just too tough politically."

McPeak did not point to Palestinian terrorism or the recent election of Hamas to power as problems impeding an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal.

As a follow-up question, the Oregonian interviewer asked McPeak whether "there's an element within Hamas, Hezbollah, that doesn't want Israel to exist at all and always will be there?"

McPeak responded by comparing the two terror groups to "radical" Oregonians.

"There's an element in Oregon, you know, that's always going to be radical in some pernicious way, and likely to clothe it in religious garments, so it makes it harder to attack. So there's craziness all over the place."

McPeak said there was "some" good will toward peace on the Israeli side, but qualified, "that's maybe the more cosmopolitan, liberal version of the Israeli population – I think there's enough good will there.

"I don't know if there is still on the Palestinian side, because they've been radicalized pretty well," McPeak said.

The McPeak interview circulated on several large blogs yesterday, including the popular Powerline blog, after it was first pointed out in the American Spectator online magazine by Robert Goldberg, a writer and vice president of the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest.

Interpreting the identity of voters in Miami and NYC McPeak had referred to, Goldberg stated: "Translation (as if it's needed): Jews – who put Israel over every American interest – control America's policy on the Middle East."

Goldberg also pointed out McPeak once claimed Christian Zionists were driving America's policy in Iraq to benefit Israel.

Stated McPeak while discussing the Iraq war: "Let's say that one of your abiding concerns is the security of Israel as opposed to a purely American self-interest, then it would make sense to build a dozen or so bases in Iraq. Let's say you are a born-again Christian and you think that Armageddon and the rapture are about to happen any minute and what you want to do is retrace steps you think are laid out in Revelations, then it makes sense . So there are a number of scenarios here that could lead you in this direction. This is radical...."

McPeak is the latest Obama adviser to be highlighted for controversial views regarding Israel.

WND recently quoted Israeli security officials who expressed "concern" about Robert Malley, an adviser to Obama who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group

Also Samantha Power, who was described as Obama's closest adviser until she resigned earlier this month after making strong remarks against Sen. Hillary Clinton, advocated in an interview investing "billions of dollars, not in servicing Israel's military, but actually investing in the state of Palestine."

Stated Goldberg: "Obama has a Jewish problem and McPeak's bigoted views are emblematic of what they are. Obama can issue all the boilerplate statements supporting Israel's right to defend itself he wants. But until he accepts responsibility for allowing people like McPeak so close to his quest for the presidency, Obama's sincerity and judgment will remain open questions."

A little background info on McPeak aka Skeletor:

Just a little FYI from a long-time USAF pilot, General Merrill ‘Skeletor’ McPeak is probably the most-hated general officer in Air Force history. Seriously, ask any Air Force people who were around in the early to mid 90s and they will give you an earful about this guy. My old Huey squadron used to fly him between Langley Air Force Base and the Pentagon and he was a total dick, completely pissed off that he, a fighter god, had to ride in the back of a smelly helicopter. Plus, he insisted on wearing a helmet hooked up to the comm system so he could hear if anyone on board was talking about him behind his back (thats where the Skeletor name came from, seeing his pinched, skull-like face framed by a big-ass helicopter helmet). Highlights of the McPeak years:

- Personally pushed new, redesigned, extra-shitty flightsuits, with zippers on the side, frickin’ epaulets on the shoulders and pleats. Nicknamed ‘The Fag Bag’, worst uniform ever, quickly canceled by the next Chief of Staff.

- Crammed the T-3 ‘Firefly’ down the Air Force Academy’s throat to do pilot screening training with (instead of the reliable and time-tested Cessna 172). After two instructors and two cadets died in back-to-back crashes, McPeak’s retort: “We’re not training dentists to fly their families to Acapulco here”. What an asshole.

- Finally, McPeak is the one who mentored a certain Lt Colonel named Darleen Druyun through her entire career, finally resulting in an Air Force scandal that is still being felt today (Wikipedia her name and prepare to be disgusted).

So, yeah, if Obama wants to use Skeletor for an advisor, go ahead. The USAF sure as hell doesn’t want him back.

BTW- Darlene Blewhim is the nitwit who also 'blew' Boeing out of the tanker contract.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darleen_Druyun

Posted by MyNameIsEarl | March 25, 2008 11:20 PM

good morning gang....

Craig.... I like the way you think
and I bet you have a great time with Joe Bageant this weekend..... I read his book "Deer Hunting with Jesus"..... for this northern gal, it was an eye opener into the southern mind..... there was a lot of humor sprinkled around the book..... I'd love to have a beer with him..... and I don't like beer....

Lardass..... I'm glad you enjoyed my hot tubbin vacation..... Rick and I are going on another long weekend ski vacation with a local ski club tomorrow....
we are going to Mont Tremblant in the Laurentians in Quebec.... just north of Montreal.....

Jason..... welcome to the blog....

Putting aside methodology, 1 in 20 polls is an outlier ( these polls use a 95% confidence level).

I lose more respect for Eugene Robinson on a daily basis. He's now trying to spin that Hillary's memory of Bosnia is part of a psycho autobiographical movie in her head.

Posted by patsi

sorry but Eugene Robinson's been licking Obama's ass during this whole campaign. He is one of his lap dogs....

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3523709,00.html

What Israel thinks of McPeak

The Hillary-Bosnia comments are just another example
of the media using a most effective right wing radio
method of constant repitition to create a perception of absolute fact, regardless of the veracity of the issue.

Did Hillary mis-state the Bosnia events, yes, she failed
to add the word "possible" ground fire & "were forced to cut short an event on the tarmac with local children"... "although one 8 year old girl gave me a copy of a poem"..... and we were "hustled off" to the fortified American base at Tuzla. (all at p. 344 of her book). The totality of the events were as she stated them, but that does not play into the goals of a compliant, fawning media intent on their own agenda--currently to undercut all of Hillary's efforts. The same with the repetition that she cannot win, the superdelegates really don't want her, on & on. It remains to be seen whether the voters in the remaining primaries buy into the media spin.

Just like today's spin that she re-introduced the issue
of race to divert from the Bosnia "lie". To us the media
is a transparent, disingenuous vehicle, however, most
do not follow all as closely as many of us. The jury is
still out as to their success.

I know she is supposed to be smart however I don't agree with Craig's idea. Hillary Clinton is a congenital liar and this is just another one. Remember she said she helped solve the Irish Peace Agreement, that she was involved in the passage of NAFTA which she now negates. She is a dangerous person with a severe personality disorder.

Posted by: Skylark | March 26, 2008 8:41 AM

Skylark, where did you get your diploma to analyse "severe personality disorder"?

Confirmed - Obama Is Zbigniew Brzezinski Puppet

..."ended this morning when the withered mummy of imperialism himself appeared on MSNBC's Morning Joe* to campaign for Obama, urged on by his own moronic daughter, Mika Brzezinski, an Obama groupie and sycophant."

http://rense.com/general81/abig.htm

AP

No that isn't what I said. I said that there are universal virtues that should be reflected in education. You don't have to preach religion to reinforce standards of behavior among human beings.

I went to school for 16 years without ever hearing religion or prayer in the schools, but we sure learned about decent behavior and what was expected by the individual in society. But I suppose if you think it is okay to omit viture and have foul language, rapes on school buses, shooting and nooses ...

Obama has assembled Zbig, Malley, McPeak, Powers and Rice. Now please tell me they don't share some similiarities. Is the press going to examine the meme? Given the Boeing mess, I am surprised nobody zeros in on McPeak. In any case, there is also the connection between Wright and Meek's anti-Jewish rants and the spin in foreign policy from his advisors. Remember Power's suggestion to invade Israel and use the military aid in building a new Palesitine? Malley and Zbig's views are well known, so what is holding up the Press from taking on the Obama team's views?

Instead, the turn towards Bosnia. Well, at least Hillary went there. What has Obama done? Has he traveled to talk to families in Darfur? It is a desperate media play to shift focus from Wright and Obama's team of disputatious thinkers.

"The world according to Obama no Democrat has ever done anything good. We have all just been waiting for him to arrive so we can rescue ourselves. No wonder Democrats who lead everyday lives shake their heads and walk away."

EXACTLY!

Some random thoughts while I try to find a @#$# pain killer that actually kills pain...

Heather with regards to this quote:

"You have an interesting take on Hillary's Bosnia issue and I agree with it. Honestly outside of opposition hatred for Hillary I don't understand why it is such a major issue. We would have to look long and hard going through a list of presidents that have not exaggerated their resumes."

At what point will we as an electorate actually use standards to judge these people by? If you did that sort of thing on a job interview, not only would you not get the job, chances are that HR person would email all of her HR friends within the industry to get your ass black listed. Yes I know everyone lies, how about doing it in an environment where you have to break a sweat to catch the person in a lie?

I AM SO SICK OF THIS LAPEL BULLSHIT. I will never be so jingoistic as to wear one or demand my elected officials wear one. I got into an argument with an American Legion type down here about that last week. I asked him why the pin thing bothered him yet he didn't care that the flag was used on napkins or even worse, men's underwear. I think it's more offensive that someone could wipe their ass or blow their nose into the image of the flag...never mind potential urine or shit stains...after I sent him to a local TJ Maxx and Dollar Store to see for himself, he called me to apologize...not only were the items as bad as I described, but they were all made in China too...

I was listening to James Carville on CNN 's situation room. Why is it that he can never complete a cogent sentence? Anyone else have this reaction when he talks? It's like he's so nervous and changes direction in every sentence he makes.

Her is another example of Hillary's pathological lying......

"She said that Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11 and happened to duck into a coffee shop when the airplanes hit. She said that this move saved Chelsea's life. But Chelsea told Talk magazine that she was in a friend's apartment four miles from ground zero when the first plane hit. Her friend called her, waking her up, and told her to turn on the TV. On television, she saw the second plane hit, disproving Hillary's claim that "she heard the plane hit. She heard it. She did."

Don't tell me there is not something severely wrong with woman. Why would should lie about her daughter????to get sympaythy of course

Patsi and KGC. Come on now, the Obamas want to save us! We are not worthy. We are not worthy. We are not worthy:

From Michelle: "And Barack Obama, will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your division. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone. That you push yourself to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved and uninformed."

Huh. All this time I thought I WAS involved and informed. Maybe it was all a mirrrageeeee....

jamie...

Its in her book. "where she writes approvingly of religious groups' access to schools, lessons in Scripture, and "virtue" making a return to the classroom."

Why did she write it if she don't mean it? Are you suggesting that what she wrote is a lie?

But the good news Ally is that, for the very first time in your adult life, you can be really proud of your country. ;-)

Patsi:

Your man Ford was good on MoJo today.

KGC:

"Most Obama supporters live in a bizzaro world where they accuse Clinton of the very things they are doing."

This is the nature of the beast and I feel you people are doing the same thing. It is a fight for the most important job in the world. Alls fair in love and war.

Everyone:

No takers on the Clinton/Sinbad ticket?? He has foreign policy "experience"...

Oh...thanks ET! I feel so much better now!

And I agree with you on Carville. Hillary has better advocates out there.

I am on "DAY 13. NO SUGAR." Ugh. I am crabby.

EuroTom,

If you ever have a chance to play poker with Carville, take every dollar out of your 401K and sit down at that table...

He has ADD and he is easily worked up. When he is speaking, he probably in mentally a paragraph ahead of what he is actually saying and I'm sure the more he gets worked up, the harder it is to keep it all straight...

This is the nature of the beast and I feel you people are doing the same thing. It is a fight for the most important job in the world. Alls fair in love and war.

What happened to new politics

Yes, Hillary exaggerated her Bosnia story, but how is this anything like Skelator and Zbig, Wright and meeks, Rezko or Auchi, Malley or Powers? These people are close associates (except Malley and Auchi) who helped Obama formulate his thinking and political path. Want to see Zbig back working in the White House or McPeaks SECDEF? How about Powers a Middle East envoy or Malley?

The media is back in business having been thrown for two weeks by Wright. Now they filter and spin again, hoping to make back what Obama lost. MSNBC puts Zbig right back out there counting on the stupidity of the American people to ignore both history and even the distance Obama has put between Zbig and himself. I date the NYT to review the views and history of Obama top advisors. And talk about exaggeration. Was it an exaggeration for Obama to first say he never went with Rezko to see the house Auchi's money would help deliver? Was it an exaggeration to say Obama never was informed of the sanction vote? What do you call his promise to get us out of Iraq in 12 months or that he never heard Wright say nasty stuff during the twenty years of sermons?

There is no balance in media anymore.

Does he really have ADD?

Skylark,

Your description of Hillary's comments about Chelsea and 9/11 are all from right wing web sites. I did a search and there is not a single reputable news org.

Now here is a description from Chelsea herself and her wandering "south" towards the towers to call her mother. In all the events that happened that day, separated from a daughter it wouldn't be unusual for a mother to get the details wrong and have to recant. It's hardly some deep psychological disease.

http://www.zpub.com/un/ChelseaAsAdult.html

Personally the flag pin is such a small symbolic thing to do, I do not understand why anyone would chose that battle when our country is at war.

4000 dead, 40k wounded Americans - A man that wants to Commander in Chief and he can't do that one little thing.

I think it shows his lack of judgment - again.

KGC:

A campaign is a lot different than governing.

I am curious,

What has the US government done in the last 30 years that you are proud of?

Bussing? The more I look at it, they are pissed that the Cold War ended and it was unintentional, it is now a lot harder to achieve the American Dream...

We still have racism, we have rampant sexism, kids can't play in the street without fear of being kidnapped or raped. Those same kids can't go to church without fear of being diddled or raped.

And did Obama ever think that the Iraqi government would be giving Sadr an Ultimatum backed up by Iraqi troops. I bet you won't hear a single word of support coming from the Obama camp. How many think Obama is praying Sadr wins? And how American is that?

Warren:

So we can ignore the rants from the Obama campaign that go something like this: "How can we expect her to run the country when she can't even run an effective campaign?"

Bear....
I am sorry about your pain..... hang in there buddy....
and I agree with you about the lapel pin.....

Jamie.... sometimes I wonder why you beat your head against the wall with trying to reason with certain people on this blog...... but hey.... good luck to you..... :0)

AP

"lessons in Scripture" are not the same as reading scripture or worshiping the religion that it represents.

If anything, scripture is an outgrowth of universal truth not the other way around. Ethics are ethics whatever the source.

You do have this habit of one thing with something in common to another thing is automatically the equal of a third thing. It's a major logical fallacy.

Both Clintons are Pathological Liars – always have been – always will be!!!

“Hillary Clinton said that she had been named after Sir Edmund Hillary, the first man to scale Mt Everest, even though she was born a couple of years before his feat.”

The Bosnia incident: “this incident does not make Mrs Clinton look like “a prevaricating resume padder;” it makes her look like an out-and-out liar.”

“her lying about her policies, such as her promise for middle-class tax relief when she voted for a middle-class tax increase.”

“when you lie about something that is really meaningless in the scheme of things, it tells people something more about you, it tells people something deeper about you. If Mrs. Clinton lies about the meaningless things, if she lies when there is no logical reason to lie, when the lie can only hurt her and telling the truth cannot, there’s simply something wrong with her.”

http://commonsensepoliticalthought.com/?p=2572

Oh, and she brought peace to Northern Ireland. Ha, ha

“Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a “wee bit silly” for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.”

http://www.orbis-quintus.net/?p=3129

Bill Bradley's take on Hillary Clinton:
“The bigger the lie, the better the chance they think they’ve got. That’s been their whole approach,” he said. “She’s going to lose a whole generation of people who got involved in politics believing it could be something different.”

“As a reporter who visited Bosnia soon after the December 1995 Dayton peace agreement, I can attest that the physical risks were minimal during this period, particularly at a heavily fortified U.S. air base, such as Tuzla.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/21/AR2008032102989.html?sub=AR

Oh, and there is always the “I did not have sex with that woman”. There are so many lies they cannot be posted here for fear of appearing as a book writer by the name of Maxtrue!!! Pathological liars…both of them. Anything to get their perverted desire for control and power.

Warren:

So we can ignore the rants from the Obama campaign that go something like this: "How can we expect her to run the country when she can't even run an effective campaign?"

Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | March 26, 2008 10:58 AM

Ally, that is a legitimate question to raise. People did say in 2000, how can Bush lead the country when every business he ran failed? These 8 years have proven that was a fair question to ask then.

I put my tin hat on yesterday and wondered to myself if Guiliani would have aggressively run against HRC in 2000 if he didn't get cancer? The more I think about how she ended up running against Lazzio, the more curious I get. Same can be said for how the stars lined up for Obama's senate run.

The Red Flag for me was when the news of HRC spending $50 Million on a reelection campaign when she could have spend $500,000 and still pulled the same percent of the vote. She basically ran unopposed and she still spent that much?

Ally:

I said campaigning is different than governing. Not that campaigning does not matter.

I think the biggest issue about the way the Clinton campaign has performed - is her electability.

From the get-go, I thought Obama would be a stronger general election candidate and still do. The problems I thought HRC would have - credibility and likability - have only been made worse by the Democratic race.

Hillary is getting damn near close to unelectable in the fall - meanwhile - the Clinton campaign is trying to spin electability as her strongest argument.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Darleen+Druyun&btnG=Google+Search

Interesting that Wiki site for Darleen is off-line. Check it out yourself at the link above. There are other sites to read and the Skeletor/Darleen affair is quite an interesting mess for another of Obama's top advisors.

Was Obama desperate or does he stand by his man?

Posted by: warren | March 26, 2008 11:09 AM

How is life in the evidence free zone?

Potential campaign slogans for the Clinton/Sinbad ticket:

-They put the silly in "silly season"

-Because this election is just too important to leave to anybody else

-See...Hillary still has black friends

-If he can handle the Apollo - he can handle the GOP

-We only lose to McCain by 3 points!!

Thank God, now we can all stop bickering about Hillary and Obama

Gravel to Run for Libertarian Nod
By Sarah Wheaton

Fed up with being excluded from the debates and otherwise marginalized, former Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska announced today that he will seek the Libertarian Party nomination for president.
That’s right, we said Mike Gravel, who had been running as a Democrat – not Representative Ron Paul, who has run on the Libertarian ticket in the past, but recently submitted his name to appear on the ballot in the remaining Republican primary contests.

We only lose to McCain by 3 points!!

As Opposed to the Obama Obama (because he is the only one) ticket
which will lose to McCain by 12-29

Now This, there goes the Imus crowd..

Yesterday Hillary Clinton spoke publicly about the controversy surrounding the remarks of Barack Obama's longtime pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, telling the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, "He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend." She also brought up Don Imus, saying:

"You know, I spoke out against Don Imus, saying that hate speech was unacceptable in any setting, and I believe that. I just think you have to speak out against that. You certainly have to do that, if not explicitly, then implicitly by getting up and moving."

Bear: At least you acknowledge that Allen Keyes was hardly a formidable candidate.

Warren: The idea that Obama is the more electable general election candidate was spun from his campaign from the very beginning...starting way back here in little old Iowa. Personally, I don't buy it. Never did. Not in the states that will win us the general and not with McCain as the candidate. It just doesn't pass the sniff test.

Well
All hail King Barrack then!

And yes
For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country......

Say it clear, say it loud, I am an american and I am proud (quoting a part of James Brown, mixed with Michelle O)

LMPO.......(Laugh My Pants Off)

No wonder he called his bood The audacity. The audacity he has to even think...

Electible? McCain is going to have fun with Skeletor and Zbig, Malley and Rice when it comes time for policy debates. No wonder Obama is praying that Sadr wins. If you saw Frontline last night and remember what McCain was blasting Rumsfeld for in 2004 and how bad Iraq had gotten, going into the debate with a new Iraqi army, AQ on the run and life much better than just a couple of years ago. Obama is going to have a hard time explaining what he would have done about Saddam. Then McCain can ask Obama if any money came from Auchi who opposed invading Iraq because of the money he was stealing from the food for oil program. When Obama says no, McCain can ask him how Rezko paid for the plot of land that sealed the deal? Electibility? That is why Hillary fares better against McCain.

Crawford is right. Those pictures mean far more than her exaggeration. Voters see them and the ones of Obama on a beach.

"Your man Ford was good on MoJo today."

He was.

By the way, the Sinbad line is about as funny as a dead cat.

Ally, et al.

Here are my thoughts about the general election from the beginning of this race. I think my thoughts still hold true and I don't really care about your "sniff test" or the CCCCT (the Clinton campaign commander-in-chief test conjured up by Wolf-boy):

Who can win the general:

Hillary will, without a doubt, energize the Republican base. This is not up for debate. Republicans state this often and the polls back it up.

Who can convince evangelical Republicans from Iowa to hold their noses and vote for McCain? What will it take for an Independent in Florida to vote for a Massachusetts politician who practices a religion they do not understand? Who can convince a secular Independent voter from Ohio to vote for an evangelical leader of the Christian Conservative Movement?

The answer to these questions, and many more like them, is Hillary Clinton.

The Republicans are divided and whoever wins the nomination will not have overwhelming support in the party. Republicans across the board are much more likely to rally against a return to the Clinton days than they are to rally for one of the several varied candidates they are (almost reluctantly) choosing from. In stark contrast, this is the ideal situation for Barack to come in and sweep up anti-war Republicans and a significant majority of Independents. Obama also continues to attract new voters and he is one of the main reasons behind the record turn outs.

Next, Hillary says she is battle-tested. That a bitter general election campaign is "inevitable." Well it is if she’s involved. Indeed, if it is Hillary vs. any Republican - it will be one of the most knock-down-drag-out political battles in recent memory . . . further tearing this country apart during a critical period for America. Bill’s notion that the mutual respect between Hillary and McCain will lead to a "respectful" debate ignores that the Rush Limbaugh’s and Sean Hannity’s of the world will not be constrained in the slightest from launching vicious attacks on Hillary’s policies and god knows what else.

Hillary argues she is a "known quantity," that she has been vetted and she has been through the Republican attack machine. Ironically, so will Barack after defeating Hillary in the primaries.
But the fact that the Republicans have already used some of the attacks that will be thrown her way during the general does not act as some type of magical cloak that will eliminate the effectiveness of such arguments in 2008.

The GOP will argue that Hillary’s position on the Iraq was has been based polls rather than principle. And they will have ample support. Attacks on the Clintons' scorched-earth style of politics will be raised, reinvigorated by the campaign that has been run against Obama. These anti-Hillary messages could have the American public running to the straight talk of a war hero who has shown great political courage throughout his career.

McCain also holds the trump card on experience. What will Hillary run on in the general without the "experience" argument? Change? McCain will be able to make a more credible argument that by ending the Bush-Clinton-Bush dynasty - he is the true candidate of change. I don’t know about you - but that case will work with plenty of Independents. Especially coming from a maverick like McCain who is lambasted by hyper-partisan pundits from his own party.

Indeed, it is very possible that because many Americans have made clear that they want to move past the political hang-ups of the nineties . . . these familiar attacks against the Clintons will carry even more weight in the current political scene.

The way to beat the Republicans is not to out play them according to the rules of their playbook. Its time to throw out the damn playbook and conduct politics in a way that serves the American people. This is Obama’s strength. He has been a public servant with experience in helping people and making a real difference in their lives. He possesses the intelligence, the judgment and the determination to move America forward. Finally, this is all consistent with Barack’s narrative: Changing – and improving – the way politics is done.

Patsi:

I like dogs.

Maxtrue,
What's going on?
Your man JMc seems to have had an epiphany.
His utterances is not consisitent with your bashing of NATO yesterday.
See AP story:
McCain: US should work more with allies
John McCain,outlining his foreign policy positions on the heels of an overseas trip, is renewing his call for the United States to work more collegially with democratic nations and live up to its duties as a world leader.
"Our great power does not mean we can do whatever we want whenever we want, nor should we assume we have all the wisdom and knowledge necessary to succeed," the Republican said in prepared remarks a few days after returning from the Middle East and Europe. "We need to listen to the views and respect the collective will of our democratic allies."

Warren

Too bad none of your arguments are anything but hypotheticals and all of the current evidence points that your very arguments are the ones that support Clinton.

and when you copy something at least update it

"The Republicans are divided and whoever wins the nomination will not have overwhelming support in the party. Republicans across the board are much more likely to rally against a return to the Clinton days than they are to rally for one of the several varied candidates they are (almost reluctantly) choosing from. In stark contrast, this is the ideal situation for Barack to come in and sweep up anti-war Republicans and a significant majority of Independents. Obama also continues to attract new voters and he is one of the main reasons behind the record turn outs."

Gee how is that divided Republican Party argument working out.

RR - I'm envious.. Tremblant is beautiful this time of year...

I agree with Craig..this too shall pass.. seems to me both campaigns are going at each other pretty heavily..and Obama has some pretty heavy hitters on his team...kinda blows the esoteric portion of his campaign out the window... all this doom and gloom doesnt make a whole lot of sense.. before November McCain is going to say something so stupid, so befuddled, that everyone aside from the Reps who have nowhere else to park their votes will go Dem no matter who the nominee is... McCain gave a speech on the economy yesterday.. basically told every American he/she was on his/her own..and THAT after the govt's own mortgage co, Fanny Mae, has helped everyone get a subprime loan... brilliant strategy, Senator! Just keep it up..

oh and speaking of NATO, those are Canadian troops being killed in Khandahar..every day..

KGC:

Not so well since the Clintons are busy dividing the Democratic party...

But there is still plenty of time to get things back on track once someone gets the nomination.

I am off to do some work...

Clinton/Sinbad '08

-Because he does not have any crazy black friends (we checked : )

-Because reality is over-rated

-Because the Republican VP will getted booed of the stage on the VP debates

btw - this is for the people that have never heard of Von Von Von:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB2xXbH87l0

By the way, the Sinbad line is about as funny as a dead cat.

Posted by: Patsi

Patsi, do take note that I am @ work. I laugh uncontrollably and my roommate is rather annoyed my way

The Obama Obama ticket because he is the only one.

cmon warren... that 'divided party' line just doesn't cut it... there are more democrats, from both camps, showing up at primaries and cauci, than at any other time in history, and that's without reps playing for the other team just for the primary... i think this is healthy..

Warren:

All of these points sound very nice and you are a good advocate for Obama. The thing that doesn't hold water for me is this: If Obama were as compelling of a candidate that you say he is, he would have closed this deal by now. A lot of people aren't buying what he has to sell. He should have closed this thing on Super Tuesday and then again on Super Tuesday II. He has the complete and undying support of the MSM and he can't close the deal amongst HIS OWN PARTY. This should be of great concern to you (and all of us.)

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/26/iraq_debate/index.html

Excellent post on the continuing failure of the media to cover Iraq in anyway except to continue to cya for their own failures.

Warren
Interesting you find Hagel so appealing since he has the same position on the war as Senator Clinton.

Warren,
U are sounding a lil desperate. Maybe I am wrong, but if I read two of your posts carefully I feel nauseated.
Maybe it´s the dutch weather......

Since when is fighting for something you genuinely belive in (and not illegal) linked to being a divider?
I find it interesting that people (read MSM and team B)use this freaking lame argument time and time again, when they are out of ways to drive Hillary out!
Stop this insanity allready

Amen.....

"The idea that Obama is the more electable general election candidate was spun from his campaign from the very beginning.."

Yes it was, not to mention that she, as a baby boomer, needed to be put out to pasture. Then, of course, it was all those racist old women in New Hampshire. PISSED me off.

Hagel said Vice President Dick Cheney and others ‘‘cherry-picked intelligence’’ and used fear to intensify ‘‘war sloganeering.’’

During visits to the Middle East in December 2002, Hagel said, Israel’s top security officials asked, ‘‘Do you really understand what you are getting yourselves into?’’

Hagel said Bush personally assured him that he would exhaust diplomatic avenues before committing troops to Iraq. The senator said he voted for the war resolution based on those assurances, but regrets the vote because it’s now clear that lawmakers were presented with lies and wishful thinking.
http://www.helenair.com/articles/2008/03/23/entertainment/102et_080323_hagel.txt

"ignores that the Rush Limbaugh’s and Sean Hannity’s of the world will not be constrained in the slightest from launching vicious attacks on Hillary’s policies and god knows what else."

And you don't think they're coming after Barack Obama?

"I like dogs."

Hence, your candidate of choice. :)

Speaking of fibs
Jane hamsher has filed a complaint with the FEC over violations by the McCain campaign
It is quite entertaining
http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/26/holding-mccain-accountable-for-campaign-finance-violations/

Ally:

Like I have said - HRC has many loyal supporters - just like Obama. So it is near impossible for anyone to deliver a true knock-out blow. Obama will have his best chance to do so in PA - but the deck is stacked against him with Rendell.

Jason.

Not desparate. I obviously do not think fighting for what you believe in is being a divider. But if Hillary's strategy to win the general is to make the case (1) that Obama is patently un-electable, and (2) that the results of this whole primary process should be cast aside - then I think she is being divisive.

(and - yes I am say some divisive things myself. But I am not a presidential candidate.)

Ty:

I totally agree. I still think the Dems are in a good position to win the general. And to a certain extent - this fighting will make the eventual nominee even stronger in the general.

KGC:

I want Hagel to work with the administration - I don't want him to be President.

Pogo: "Skylark, thank you so much for honoring our magnanimous host's suggestion not to trash the candidates, but to discuss issues."

Well, dang it, Pogo...Skylark isn'tthe only one trashing Hillary. I've been trying to comply and not go all Medieval about some of the snark....but it's tough.

I could turn back into a bitch at any minute.

KGC:

I want Hagel to work with the administration - I don't want him to be President

except when you were suggesting he could be vp

Patsi,

If you do slip back into bitch mode, I would undo a couple of buttons to soften the blow then...lol

Patsi... I thought all Hillary supporters were in constant bitch mode? :) :)

Not desparate. I obviously do not think fighting for what you believe in is being a divider. But if Hillary's strategy to win the general is to make the case (1) that Obama is patently un-electable, and (2) that the results of this whole primary process should be cast aside - then I think she is being divisive.

(and - yes I am say some divisive things myself. But I am not a presidential candidate.)
Posted by: warren

Can u tell me where Hillary has specifically said that the results of this whole primary process should be cast aside.
If you cannot find it, I urge you to take your words back, because this would be exactly what MSM is doing. twisting, chipping, cutting and putting words into the mouth of a candidate for their own benefit.

The only campaign that wants to cast aside primary votes is the Obama campaign.

Patsi, dahlin', Skylark isn't the only one trashing Hillary, or Obama for that matter, but Skylark is the worst IMHO. His or her comments are the most direct, general, personal and harshest. Your bitch moments are IMHO based in reality on specifics - which I do not consider to be unfair criticism. "not go all Medieval" - I love that saying and will likely plagiarize you frequently.

Jason:

http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/testing-clintons-big-state-theory-298/

I think Penn speaks on behalf of Clinton:

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1714840,00.html

(Oh - I guess she did not "explicitly" say those exact works - but you people need to stop giving the Clintons a free pass on all the innuendo....)

what?!!.....

we can't be snarky today..... I just got back into my snarky mode starting yesterday....... harummmmmppphhhhh.......

sincerely,
RebelliousBitchRenee

Warren

I just visited the two sites below you recommended and I will certainly get back to you as this pertains to a subject I deeply care about.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2008/03/mccains_pastor_problem.cfm

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/mccains.pastor.a.sharp.contrast.to.obamas/17481.htm

Milquetoast {I not D}

"you people?"

Anyone on the Obama side like to 'splain the electability argument in light of today's Gallup tracking poll - which puts the margins between McCain and Clainton and McCain and Obama at 1 percent, and the margin between Obama and Clinton at 2%, all within the poll's MOE? This does not provide ANY support to most of the divisiveness, electability, polarizing, mobilizing the Repug base, etc. arguments that have been made here.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_the_daily_gallup_5.php

And this is hardly an anamoly - it's results have been about like this, at least as to the Clinton/Obama comparison, since early Feb.

yeah, ty, us people. LOLOL

George,
I suppose you try to box me in with McCain because I prefer his foreign policy to Obama (see my comments on McPeak, Zbig, Malley, Powers, Rice and Lake). Then you quote some recent remarks. McCain reflects the view he has always had regarding NATO and our Allies. Are you claiming McCain did not object to Bush psuedo-diplomacy? Where did McCain ever say our allies are unimportant or that Bush has gotten diplomacy right? At least McCain isn't ranting about talking to our enemies...LOL. His remarks are similar to Powel, Cohen, and several other moderates. In fact, our strategy in the past had been to do much of any fighting and for NATO to provide peacekeeping and national building roles. You certainly aren't suggesting that we should have listened to France back in 2002 when they scuttled any chance for smart sanctions? Certainly Bush senior put together a serious coalition so your claim that evil Republicans don't care about allies is nonsense.

George, you want to cast all Republicans as some kind of unilateralists and skip over Reagan's singular success at being a "form of unilateralism", though he enjoyed strong support from our allies. That is your call. I am merely pointing out why Obama will fail. Hillary and most serious Democratic leaders back in 2002 shared a similar view, as did Hagel and McCain. This view hoped for more allied cooperation, international inspections while showing a big stick. Why you would say that McCain is capitulating is because you think McCain is Bush. That is the game Democrats will play. Again, Front line showed McCain blasting Rumsfeld. It showed McCain's strategy along with Rice, turning things around in Iraq. McCain could not take on the WH by himself. His fellow conservatives didn't support him. Instead, in the end he did triumph to promote clear, hold, rebuild and secure the Republican nomination -a feat unmatched by anything Obama has ever done. Hillary does not want Iraqis to fail, nor does McCain. I ask again, how many think Obama hopes that Sadr ruins any unification in Iraq? And should that tell us something about his principles?

Frankly, I could care less about ideology. I want to know what a particular candidate thinks, supports and will likely do in office. If Democrats voted today in mass for their candidate, Hillary would win. Republicans would pick McCain. The question becomes whether Democrats wants to snatch defeat from victory and put Obama along with his endorsements, advisors, associates, freinds and mentors (and the picture these people form) against a well vetted McCain. From what I've gleaned from my fellow Independents, they would now lean for McCain based on all the substance Hillary supporters have posted here. As time goes by, many now see through the rhetoric at what is underneath the Obama campaign. Independents tend to be security minded people looking for real bipartisanism, record and vision. What one Independent told me was that when they heard about Zbig. McPeak or Malley, Rezko or Auchi, Powers or Rice, Wright or Meeks -a strange connection seemed to be there. It was a certain anti-Israel, anti-Americanism (or confused and partisan self-defeating vision). They did not see a connection between Obama's lofty words and his record, advisors or life story. This trend is increasing despite the media slant all my Independent friends (and many Republican and Democratic ones) acknowledge to be fact. They did have a soft spot for the under dog, but that is now Hillary. The racial play by Obama's team also infuriated my Independent friends to no end.

Yep, George, I have never voted for a Republican, but the DNC might end up convincing me and a large part of Ohio, Penn, Florida and Michigan to change their minds this time. The world is far too threatening to place our trust in a mediocre story teller with a scary staff. Sorry about that.

Gee whiz. A person goes away for a few days and you change the locks?

It was probably an attention-getting fib. She had to know that there was video & who would mis-remember sniper fire if their child was there? (Clearly, she wouldn't have put Chelsea in harm's way.) I'm not sure it does anything to help or hurt her in the long run. It does, however, put video of her looking younger and reminding people of how good times were here during Bill's presidency.

the bogey man assumes front and center: "Nyah Nyah, I'll vote for McCain unless you agree with me...."

horsefeathers.

I'm in SC.....if they dont nominate Hillary, I'll just vote for.....oh....it doesnt matter........SC goes to McCain.....ok, I get it.

Back to what AP was saying earlier about Methodists. Here is the problem for the Obama camp if they choose to go after her religion: How does it help Obama gets the additional votes he needs to end this thing AND win the general? It's just like Craig said on MOJO about the Ferraro flap. What did Obama gain by going after Gerry? He's already got blacks and young progressives who will agree with him on her "racist" comments. It sure didn't help him with older white women. Going after Methodists won't help him get older white women either.

Even if Obama doesn't touch the Methodists but leaves it as a third rail issue, it is still a loser for getting votes. Just my opinion.

So, you're saying that the Clinton campaign is channeling the 1984 Reagan campaign which believed that the pictures were vastly more important than words or facts?

Pogo,

I went on line for Tacoma WA to see what was happening at the local Methodist Church (Sen. Clinton is a Methodist). Surprise, surprise they have fellowship and study groups

http://masonchurch.org/UMC_Site/ministries_page/ministries.htm#ministries_fellowship_groups

Then I thought - Let's check out a Synagogue. Do you know they have women's activity and study groups?

http://www.templebethel18.org/Activities/JoinAGroup.htm

Avoiding dire three strike rule

The local Baptists have a women's bible study

http://www.calvarytacoma.org/

The AP conspiracy is obviously much more widespread than any of us thought. I'll go see later if the B'Hai and Budhists have been taken in by this danger to the globe as well.

People have been saying for the past 8 years that the problem with the admin is not only is Dubya an idjit, but those around him are worse idjits... so go ahead and vote for McCain and you'll get more of the same.. the same friggin madmen who have inhabited that Whitehouse for 8 years..

sturg - horses may not really have feathers (apologies to Pegasus), but I suspect thqt there are many indies who lean toward Hillary or Obama who will either sit it out or vote for McCain if their current preference loses - and I also expect that there are Dems who will sit it out as well - IMHO this is not advisable, but I don't see this stuff as the bogeyman as much is it is the reality we will live with.

Tylenol......much worse.......a validation of the past 7 years and no investigations......much worse.....

Jamie: And the other reason not to go after the Methodists is, of course, that the argument is nutty.

Max.....yes....we will all see how many indepen....etc etc .....your vote is less than a hill of beans.....throw it where you will......

jamie, I know that's the case in many churches - now that I think about it, I recall that my Mom was in a womens' bible study group at the Presby church we went to. At least at our church the women's study group was as much social as it was anything best I could tell. This thing sounds a bit more than that, but I could be wrong. No matter - it doesn't change my support for her, though.

Jamie....
are you kidding...... next thing you're going to tell us is that colleges and universities have started courses in women's studies......

well..... by god them uppity women..... imagine them thinking they have the right to study anything........ especially the bible....

sincerely,
RebelliousBitchRenee

Max..go ahead.. vote McCain... Iraq is about to blow up again (al Sadr sure doing 'one heckuva job" aint he?) .. The Bush madmen had to give THAT madman oil money in order to keep a lid on things.. the surge is all smoke.. Iraqi criminals have those Whitehouse Oilmen over the perverbial barrel!

""not go all Medieval" - I love that saying and will likely plagiarize you frequently."

Pogo -- you're welcome to the line. I'm pretty sure I stole it from Sam Jackson in Pulp Fiction.

"So, you're saying that the Clinton campaign is channeling the 1984 Reagan campaign which believed that the pictures were vastly more important than words or facts? -- Posted by: WACPAC"

Bingo, WACPAC. Wasn't specifically thinking it, but now that you mention it, does remind me of the time Deaver praised Leslie Stahl for a tough piece she did on CBS about Reagan. She was puzzled until he told her that he watched without the sound on, and thought the pictures of Reagan looked great

ok.... snark off....

sturg.... all any of us have is one vote..... so by your standards we could say that all our votes are less than a hill of beans....

I might wish that Maxtrue would rethink about voting for Obama if he does become the Dem nominee..... but I will defend his... and anyone else's.... right to vote for the candidate of their choice....

cool.......

Reb.....well....yep.....mine isnt even worth ONE bean....SC goes McCain.....but yes, I see your point....my point is that Max wants to throw his weight as if he were speaking for all the independents.....

Pogo,

"This thing sounds a bit more than that, but I could be wrong."

Certainly there are totally strange religious movements and some of the members of the Capitol Hill bible study group might belong to one. It would pay to keep an eye on their activites, but the fact that some of them may belong to it does not mean that Sen. Clinton is automatically a member as well. That is why I said it was a logical fallacy: A has something in common with B. B has something in common with C. This does not mean that A has something in common with C.

Sen. Clinton has said that at the height of the Lewinsky/impeachment/right wing nut show, these women gave her strength and support. That sort of kindness can come from a complete stranger as well as a friend and her membership probably means nothing more than the need for a positive environment.

Conspiracies are almost never conspiracies: Coincidence, accident and stupidity are the first places to check and as Ben Franklin said, "Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead."

Reb.....and of course everyone is free to vote as he or she sees fit.......this constant threatening to vote for McCain as some kind of wedge is a bit tedious though......

Once again Warren, I ask you to specifically point to where those exact words ar uttered by Hillary or her camp (going a step further now)!

If you can´t find them, take back those words.

This is exactly what I have been saying all along.
Some of you people (I am using your frame of reference to me) refrase every word for his or her own benefit, without any shame
Not only is it untrue, but it scares the hell out of me.
Just beacuse it falls into ones pecket you say it the way you interpret it!

Maybe, it is beacuse of the business I am in, I have to carefully quote and watch every word I say....But I think if you put it out like this, people will take it and run away with it as NEWS!
Now this is than exactly wat MSM is doing!

"Quote" or stop saying that Camp A said it, when eventually no one said it!

Nuff said!

I give you the night to find those exact words, if not you have to take back your words.

As I said, Obama supporters rather pray for Sadr than support the Iraqi government. The anti-Americanism is showing ty, it is all about oil. Iraqis are criminals and Bush is in bed with them. Just move your gear shift up one level and you will be at the Wright speed.

I, like most Hillary supporters express my support to those Israqis and US soldiers facing down Sadr under the government ultimatum. I, Like most Hillary supporters hope stability and a better life comes ASAP to Iraq. I, like most Hillary supporters want an end to Iranian meddling in Iraq and Lebanon and know that people like Sadr need to be contained or eliminated. Hillary and McCain did not keep the US from defeating Sadr when they had the chance. What Obama supporters fail to understand is that the US doesn't make all the rules in Iraq. It is one of the hardest places in the world to bring together and Obama supporters seem to prefer a monster butcher to have kept the Iraqis quiet while he rearmed.

Life is not some vague misty vision. Life is real and full of obstacles. Had McCain or Hillary lead our charge into Iraq after better diplomacy prevailed, Saddam would be gone and the country far less a victim of incompetence.

Oh, and please tell me how we have stolen Iraq oil. Perhaps some prefer the corrupt adminsitration of oil revenues under the UN's watch. Auchi benefitted greatly and of course, we all know some of his Saddam profit went to Rezko who then helped Obama.

Beating head on wall: Andrea Mitchell just asked if Sen. Clinton answering the question about Wright was "trying to stir up racial problems?"

Would someone please ask her, "Is you latest dye job an attempt to slander brunettes?"

Okay gang,
I am out.
It is six o clock, and I have my tennis lessons to attend

Njoy
Will be here about 7 in the morning. I think that everyone is then sound asleep in the US

Laterzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

and I wonder who is the brain behind Tonya Harding being dredged up and wedged into the contest for the democratic nominee......talk about twilight zone.......whew...................

jamie, I was basing her membership on AP's 9:15 post. Anything that is referred to as a "cell" with the members recited in that post sounds like more than the bible study classes or groups I've been familiar with.

Again - it's not a deal breaker for me, and frankly, I know more about it than I want to.

And with that, I will be getting in my car and returning to my fair city.

Tomorrow, perhaps.

oh..and a pic of Harding right up there next to Hillary.. just GREAT

From Bowmanc-
"Thank God, now we can all stop bickering about Hillary and Obama

Gravel to Run for Libertarian Nod"

OMG! I just spit out my coffee!

Staying out of the fight today, everyone play nice!

Next look for Barack to be wailing , "Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?.......whyyyyyyyyy?"

lol

No Strug,
I am suggesting that media and Obama supporters are grossly overestimatling their support by Independents in order to beat Hillary on the electibility issue. I am here to say that almost all the Independents I know from Florida, Mass and NY feel pretty much as I do. I also know that the Jewish support for Obama is eroding quickly given McPeaks, Powers, Zbig and Malley as well as Wright and Meeks.

Since I work in construction, I can say that most Hispanics seem to support Hillary and will seriously consider McCain, if Obama gets the nomination. More and more women I talk to are angry as well. So I am here to give my voice before the DNC makes a grave decision: to encourage Obama supporters or other Independents to reconsider.

Why should I vote for Obama? I have forgetten. Hope, change...no I'm being dead serious. Why the F should I vote for Obama? What the hell has he claimed he would do? Get us out of Iraq in 12 months. Bullshit. Talk to our enemies and change their minds? Bullshit. Launch new programs to rescue America? Bullshit, with what money? Tax everyone making over $97.000, cut defense spending?
I mean seriously people, the only claim he makes is that HE IS THE ONE WHO CAN WIN FOR THE DEMOCRATS. Ah the electibility issue.

So I say Bullshit. I make a case that he will lose to McCain. You are all free to disagree.

lol sturge...

Max, maybe it's that you weave in a shade too many gop talking points into your narrative.......

I meant Sturg, no offense meant.....And asking Hillary if she's trying to bring up racial tension by bringing up Wright makes me ill. If this is the media power that puts Obama on track, then he should lose just by benefitting from such sickening tactics.

Works calls

outta here

wow max.. next time I want to know how Hispanics see things, i'll be sure to consult with you!

"Max, maybe it's that you weave in a shade too many gop talking points into your narrative......."

I was thinking along those lines too....try to stay sane Max....

Pogo

When you return, apparently someone also posted this religious conspiracy to Democratic Underground. The comments go on forever and some are funny ... particularly the ones about Karl Rove attending the Church of Satan

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4328534

Craig, you are hanging on by fingernails if this is as good a bit of publicity as you can scrounge. Jeebus Crisp. That the Bosnia tapes were helpful in the slightest (looking Commanderish is ridiculousish) shows you have been drinking the kool aide. Give it up, son. She's toast and you know it. And a liar to boot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-g7Q7hXn7o

Good article on Obama

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301706.html?sid=ST2008032401106

Also Hillary will be on Greta on Fox 10 ET/ 9 CD time.

Julie

sturg....
I get it..... Max pushes your buttons.... that's ok....
I don't see him as threatening to vote for McCain as much as I see him saying he "will" vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee..... there are several others here saying the same thing..... that is their right..... and I like Max's posts....

I'm an independent.... and I don't share his view..... I will vote for the Dem nominee no matter who it is....

so please relax.... I enjoy your posts too....

Whatever Jason. You are not going to make me retract my words.

I stand by my statement is Clinton is trying to downplay the results of the contests thus far (except of course the "big states"). Indeed, she has too!! Because she is losing.

No she is not getting blown out - but again - Obama has won more states, delegates and votes.

I have retracted some statements on certain occasions - but this ain't one of em. So get off your high horse buddy...

Gallup:

28% of Hillary supporters say they will vote for McCain vs. Obama
19% of Obama supporters say they will vote for McCain
vs. Clinton.

Looks like Obama was wrong again when he sanctimoniously said he would get Hillary's supporters but she wouldn't get his.

The Audacity of Hype..

Sorry - if I have stopped giving the Clintons the benefit of the doubt....

"We have not, are not, and will not pursue the pledged delegates of Barack Obama," Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson said in a conference call with reporters, in which the Clinton camp was discussing the upcoming contests in Texas and Ohio.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/19/680499.aspx

Officially, the campaign says it is not. But the idea keeps rearing its head -- most recently with help from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton herself, in interviews on the campaign trail. Earlier this week, she told the Philadelphia Daily News that pledged delegates "in most states are not pledged."

"You know, there is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody," she said.

"Then in an interview published today, Clinton brought it up again. "Every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose," Clinton told Time's Mark Halperin. "We talk a lot about so-called pledged delegates, but every delegate is expected to exercise independent judgment.""

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/26/that_pesky_pledged_delegate_qu.html

That's actually really disturbing, OD.. Particularly after the past 8 years..

Polls are not facts!!

I know many of you trust Carl Bernstein:

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/26/hillary-clinton-truth-or-consequences/#more-470

Tylenol.
.It is disturbing. In the end the figures won't be that large, but..I have seen in friends and family, the degree of anger at Barack Obama.
On previous posts I have detailed the reasons so many loyal Democrats are sick of the Obama campaign,whose actions contradict the public reataions Hope Hype..

Warren: You know this poll is evidence of a big problem.

"tennis lessons"???

You are definitely not going to get me to retract my statements. Hah!

28% of Hillary supporters say they will vote for McCain vs. Obama. 19% of Obama supporters say they will vote for McCainvs. Clinton." -Oregon Democrat.

If I was looking at that in isolation I could make a good agrument that it appears more HRC supporters lean center and are more likely closet Repugs and Indies as opposed to Obama's who are more faithful democrats.
But we know that not true??? Right

Warren,

"Every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose,"

Anyone currently "pledged" to someone who is no longer is the race is free to move to another candidate on the first ballot though as a courtesy they usually follow the endorsement of their original candidate.

For instance, Edwards has not endorsed, so all of his pledges are up for grabs.

They could be a "faithless" elector of a delegate. It's not against the rules, but it is frowned upon unless some major disqualifying scandal comes up for their candidate.

Once round one is past, then it is Katie Bar The Door, because the rush is on. They can vote for anyone they want.

"They can vote for anyone they want."

Jamie, you're right, but it's two-way street. Why assume delegates would not switch from HRC to BO.

Rezdog..

Hillary wins more Democrats in primaries..

Senator O wins more Republicans and Independents

Case Closed..

exit polling OD?

Rezdog

I wasn't, they would be free to steal from each other, escort to the back room and twist arms or the delegates could just go for a dark horse (are you Al Gore folks perking up a bit?). Contested conventions are a whole lot of fun. I don't know why people fear them ... silly wimps.

McCain wouldn't be able to get a word in edgewise on the media while all sides hammered him mercilessly to show why their candidate would be the best one to beat him.

Jamie,
Good, I think it will be nice when some of the "pledged"
delegates change stripes on the first round and go to BO.

OD:

I agree. And who are you more worried about voting for McCain in the general?

Loyal Democrats?

Or Republicans and Indendents?

This is exactly why I think Obama is stronger in the general.

(Not too mention all the new voters and the anti-war crowd - they should not simply be discounted because you believe they are "fringe players".)

Jamie..... (passing you an aspirin)....

I heard someone on NPR say a few months ago that as long as the Democratic nominee was undecided that they would get all the press while McCain would be largely forgotten.....

at the time I wasn't so sure about that statement..... now I've decided on hindsight it was brilliant......

Especially in those red states that her campaign supporters keep dissing.

Warren..I iknow you keep pushing the electability pointon behalf of Obama..

I see him as another George McGovern, without the background..

If Obama is nominated, I see electoral disaster for my Democratic Party.

UPS delivered my new Hillary signs...I'm going out in the rain to spread the word..

"Most Obama supporters live in a bizzaro world where they accuse Clinton of the very things they are doing."

Projection ... the mother's milk of Republican ideology. Also explains why many Republicans are enamored with the Obama campaign.

Obviously Republicans and Obamaites long for their childhood and the good old days of bullying in the schoolyard. "Let's all pick on the smart girl in the pantsuit ... "LOL

Warren,

"I know many of you trust Carl Bernstein:"

Given the way Carl treats wives and women in general, I'm not all that sure why we should listen to his opinion about one. :-)

The power of the Independents:

http://www.america.gov/st/elections08-english/2008/January/20080131130854hmnietsua0.9798853.html

But you will listen to Bill?

(back to work)

GAKaren & Jamie Right on!! Carl Berstein is a fat old HAS been. That PA Primary can't come soon enough!

(Not too mention all the new voters and the anti-war crowd - they should not simply be discounted because you believe they are "fringe players".)

I don't know Warren, are those people actually registered to vote? Do they even possess a permanent address?

I am highly suspect of these nouveau voters. I think they are easily distracted. Talk to me after the exit polls in the GE and we'll see if those people actually show up. Don't get me wrong, it is great if they follow-through, but I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket. (Or backpack.) LOL

"But you will listen to Bill?"

Damn right, I will. Bill doesn't hate women, Warren, he LOVES them. LOVES them a lot!

Patsi,

When you catch this, I spoke to my brother yesterday and he doesn't recall any specific tournament, but remembers that Haskell had good b-balls team in 62-63, and was surprised any one else would recall that too. He said he had some good friends who played on the team and spoke of their names and homes. Seems several were from up north in the Dakotas. Tall Lakota guys I guess.:)

Dear Bear:
I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make or your anger towards me.

I do not demand that one be worn nor can you point out anywhere that i used the word "demand or inferred it.

It simply shows national pride one has for their country and for you to be vituperative and vulgar is beneath my dignity and as well as your own.

Cursing does not impress or intimidate me, it simply shows me a lock of verbal creativity. I am not one of Spitzer's hookers, I am a lady and deserve to be treated as one.
I am not censoring what you say, but if you are going to address me in your post then kindly do it without cursing or swearing be a gentleman.

If you disagree with me fine, it is your right, just please do so in a civil manner

I will treat you with the same respect. Civility is an asset not a liability.

Sincerely,
Heather

What has happened to MoJo? Is he finally seeing the light? He actually complimented Hillary today,much to Mika's frustration. If she says WOW one more time. What journalism school did she buy her degree from? Oh, that's right she's got connections.

i meant to say *lack

"change stripes on the first round and go to BO"

Rez, When I said first vote changes are "frowned upon" and that they are called "faithless", I meant it. People have long memories and you would have to assume they didn't want a long political career. So unless BO or HC have promised them a job (illegal by the way) or they plan to go into private life and don't need clients, a first vote change is not nice.

Also, there is usually one person who heads the delegation and reads out the votes. This is almost always an office holder or state party chairperson or the like. A faithless vote change in the numbers would get a lot of negative attention and might not ever be read.

Politics is soooooooooooooo much fun. I almost hope they do knock down drag out through to the convention.

I agree Jamie, but Hillary herself was tossing that out the other day in response to a question. Sort of thinking out loud. For a reason, of course!

BTW, I go for my training tonite, does it really require 3 hours.?
I can't imagine what would take so much time unless we had to watch films like in the old days. lol

NEW THREAD

Well,
I stopped back in my apartment and saw a few responses. Thanks RR. I must run out again, so I will answer many comments in a single thread. Sorry for the length.

First, I work in NYC where every morning thousands of Hispanics line up outside of buildings waiting to work. Of course, many are illegal but I've had tens of hours speaking to them. I cannot say their views reflect the Hispanics at large, but I am struck by their fgeneral ondness for Hillary and McCain. Even those who can barely speak English seem to note that Obama tried to ruin the Amnesty Compromise. McCain has every right to bring that up. How is this a GOP talking point?

Second, what some might say are GOP talking points probably refer to my position on Iraq, Iran, the Middle East, Obama's national security advisors and the poor judgment in his involvment with Rezko and by association with Auchi who has yet to surface in the public consciousness.

I will spare all of a detailed re-hash, but I was involved in many debates back in 2002 and know what the positions and options were. Several Republicans and many Democrats were supportive of the view Hillary advanced on the floor of the Senate. It is easy for Obama to oppose the resolution on force, but what was his magic bullet? He had no magic bullet and his position was simply a negative, rather than an affirmation of a realistic solution. This is a large part of the thrust of Obama supporters -"not Bush". Front Line showed clearly what our "allies" at the time wanted. France and Russia had no intention to let their contracts slip away and favor a new round of "smart sanctions". There were few Democrats who wanted sanctions to lift and watch Saddam continue brutalizing his people, threaten Israel and his Muslim neighbors and re-starting his WMD programs. This IS exactly what he planned to do and Obama is a bigger panderer than I suspect if he tries to refute Saddam's own cabinet tapes or confessions to Piro.

Now you might call me a conservative for posting this again:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/wouldacouldashouldas_on_iraq.html

but unfortunately, only Republicans dare to discuss such things in today's Democratic climate. Above, there is a rational discussion of the options back in 2002. It is the truth to say that despite Carl Levine and some other Democrats who feared Bush more than Saddam, most Democrats supportered Hillary's plan, but agreed that Saddam was not listening and that the resolution would get his attention. Even the UN said that only the credible deployment of US power would make Saddam blink. The article also discusses the likely situation now if we had not removed Saddam. Something Obama never talks about.

I bring this up because this issue is not a GOP talking point. Bush failed to listen to moderate Democrats and even Hagel, McCain and others. Had McCain and a moderate group of Republicans reached out to Democrats to block any rash move by Bush, GWB would have blinked. This was McCain's greatest mistake, but he did have to try and triangulate how to push the adminsitration without destrying any chance he had to win the nomination. We all know about the Kerry offer to McCain. I guess Kerry is a Republican Lite and so too, Gore, for his earlier position on Iraq and Saddam. As Front LIne showed, we spent three years struggling with failed planning in Iraq. I spent hours blasting US policy and wraned about failure if we did not adapt. Even the NYT suggested more troops. Had things gone much better, Obama would be running on what message? It is wrong for him to cast Hillary as having bad judgment when his own solution to Iraq has never been vetted. Hillary represented the best policy to avoid war, or if war was absolutely necessary over principles Powers, Rice, Lake and even Zbig should understand, then we could have created a larger coalition and perhaps, by delaying our invasion, won a no-veto from the French and Russians in the Security Council when Bush finally asked for a resolution on the use of force. Obama never talks about the duplicity of France and Russia and he certainly does not discuss the effect of our invasion on the slow-down of the Iranian bomb and the surrender of Gaddafi -which I should point out was using those huge tunnels for WMD programs. The Democrats had claimed he was not. So is right? It is silly to think that Iran and Gaddifi didn't blink because we invaded Iraq.

As far as Iran, one needs only to review Obama's past speeches. At one point, Obama talked about using nukes on Iran. He has little standing on Iran having told one thing to AIPAC and then failed to vote for or against sanctions. Then he blasted Hillary for her vote on sanctions and LIED about not knowing when the vote was. How incredibly lame of Obama, but did the Press blast him like Hillary over Bosnia?

I won't go on, but will add that "judgment" as defined by Iraq is a ploy by Obama to look smart and qualified. Bullsit. He wasn't there, offered no plan and I rather doubt he could thwart Saddam anow fter restarting his WMD. Saddam wasn't one for talking much. To bring up Iraq, Iran and even Obama's advisors pathetic record on Israel is not using GOP talking points. It is using objectivity from the starting point of US self-interest as defined by decades of bipartisan NSS. Obama defelcts this objection by boilerplate assurances to Jews and national security inclined voters. It is just HIS TALKING points designed to get elected.

And to end, it is not GOP talking points to identify the moment Obama started the personal attacks which he escalated with the help of his wife and supporters into racial attacks. He has tried to gut the Clinton Era and still defends anti-American statements from Wright and Meeks while his media surrogates continue their slanted attack on the Clintons.

All of this puts Obama in a tougher spot in any battle with McCain than Hillary. I suspect this is why Obama hopes Sadr ruins Iraq. Anything to make McCain look bad, even if such a disaster leaves 4000 American lives -a vain attempt at nothing but "a rush to dominate oil supply". This is a horrible mindset and any voter who wishes for such tragedy is in my opinion, disturbingly unAmerican.

How any of my comments are GOP talking points simply because good ammo can be used by anyone with a gun, is an interesting spin by Obama supporters. Yes, Republicans will use such objective attacks on Obama, so I should avoid mentioning them? I should shut up while Obama sports such a pathetic crew of advisors, makes anti-American icons high-lights of his life story, takes money from Rezko that may have come directly from the food intended for Iraqi children (see Auchi), and pretends to have some bold record which he does not? Let us just be honest here and leave it as that.

1. the media has helped Obama considerably and continues to do so. Media should not advocate, but report unflitered news. It overlooks real racism and ignores rampant sexism both here in the US and abroad.

2. Obama is full of contradictions, a questionable record and an even more dubious staff. He has lied, pandered and still defends the indefensible.

3. His rhetoric is far from original (Duval Patrick -also speeches given by JFK, FDR, Lincoln, Malcolm X, RFK, MLK) and the logic that such a divisive Obama campaign and such supra-Liberal support bringing this country together is more than questionable. It is a foolish assumption.

4. Gone is his pretense of a high road, honesty or even a strategic vision. Can one really imagine a Zbig daughter supporting Hillary? LOL He can't even keep top advisors from saying the dumbest things.

5. Without the DNC rules which hardly reflect majority will, Obama would have already lost the nomination. Instead, caucuses, open voting, media help and Red State efforts have placed him in the slim lead.

I ask all who think Obama can defeat McCain once his flaws are further amplified through the Republican machine to reconsider putting forward, yet another candidate who will lose. Every one of my objections to Obama appears on the screens of Reagan Democrats, Independents, Hispanics and others. I cannot say how they will swing, but my gut tells me the Democrats are in for a cruel awakening should they thrust Obama out into the light of a national campaign against McCain.

Dear Bear:
I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make or your anger towards me.

Heather...we seem to have a little disconnect because I have no anger towards you at all. My anger was towards those who claim that someone is not patriotic because they don't make outward and often false displays of patriotism.

Let me use 9/11 as an example. Everyone ran out and got flags to hang on their home or do mount on their cars after the attacks. About a week later, I spent a couple of hours a day walking along some of the busier roads in Rhode Island, picking up many of those flags that were in the gutter, tattered and muddy. I was always angered and saddened to see people would ultimately have so little regard for the flag that they would just walk on by while it laid there in filth. Many of those same people would need little prodding to write a letter to the editor demanding that there be a Constitutional Amendment banning flag burning or other "desecrations"

I don't recall if you were using lapel pins as a patriotic litmus test. I didn't think you were...I'll look for that post and reread it.

For the record, neither Bush nor Cheney wore a lapel pin with any frequency until after 9/11...

SO WHY DID CHELSE DO AN ATICLE FOR TALK MAGAZINE AND SAY SHE WAS IN BED AND GOT A CALL FROM A FREIND ABOUT THE PLANES HITTING THE WTC? I GUESS SHE IS LEARNING TO LIE TO TAKE AFTER HER SCORCHED EARTH MOTHER.

Fact Patrol

I believe it was Jamie replying to Warren who said,...

"Every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose,"

Anyone currently "pledged" to someone who is no longer is the race is free to move to another candidate on the first ballot though as a courtesy they usually follow the endorsement of their original candidate.

For instance, Edwards has not endorsed, so all of his pledges are up for grabs.

They could be a "faithless" elector of a delegate. It's not against the rules, but it is frowned upon unless some major disqualifying scandal comes up for their candidate.

Once round one is past, then it is Katie Bar The Door, because the rush is on. They can vote for anyone they want.
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NOT EXACTLY.

When a candidate "suspends" her/his campaign it is legally distinct from withdrawing. They keep their delegates. Of course, any candidate can release their delegates. But until released, pledged delegates remain committed to the candidate on whose behalf they've been elected.

More than half the states statutorily bind their delegates for from 1 to 3 ballots.

So, theoretically, the Edwards delegates could possibly become the fulcrum upon which the nomination rests.

These state statutes binding pledged delegates are what really stops the presidential campaigns from raiding each other's pledged delegates.

Please excuse this picayune digression. It just drives me crazy that newsmedia consistently misreport this.

Regarding the flap surrounding Hillary's "sniper fire" remarks, I am of the opinion that it is somewhat of a problem for her campaign. But although it keeps getting press, I'm also hearing from a lot of pundits that it's not that big a deal, which surprises me, as they usually put the screws to her. And I remember thinking that although her remarks were over the top, the media does keep showing the actual visit, which in its way could be a plus, as it does show she has made international official visits and is evidence toward boosting her experience claim. Time will tell if it's a boost or a bust.

I'll tackle the Hillary/Sinbad '08 ticket for Warren. Let's see....what are Sinbad's qualifications and positives? In 1996 , he was in the movie "Jingle All The Way" with Arnold Schwarzenegger. You may know that Arnold is the Governor of California. Having Schwarzenegger's endorsement would surely help Hillary/Sinbad '08 win California in the general election. Also , if you remember , the plot in "Jingle All The Way" surrounded Sinbad and Arnold's quest to buy the toy "Turbo Man". Sinbad would stop at nothing to get the "Turbo Man" toy. That would also serve Hillary/Sinbad '08 well because we already know that Hillary will stop at nothing to become the Presidential nominee for the Dems. Sinbad was born in Benton Harbor , MI. We all know that Michigan is a crucial state in this election. Sinbad's ties to Michigan would also serve Hillary/Sinbad '08 well. Those are just a few reasons why Hillary/Sinbad '08 could win this election.

Just finished Hillary sign-holding at four busy Salem intersections. Lots of positive feedback and a few insults.

The bigger the truck..the dumber they seem to be.
This of course excludes those who actually need big trucks..