Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Go FL!

I am sure honesty will be the code. No funny bizness.

Damn. My Adobe Reader says "error in the script...file does not begin with [then it shows some jumbles]"

That plan sucks.

You really want to make it fair.

Let's have a TX two-step. A prima-caucus in FL to close the primary race.

The DNC can sure as heck raise the money. And it will be a windfall for the economy of FL - so it should facilitate the process.

Plan:

Have a quick primary or whatever in MI. Go on with the remaining contests - and let FL have the last say. We should give the candidates some time to campaign - and it can be used to gain Democratic support all over FL.

McCain can have Crist. We'll win with the people and the Dems will take FL in the general!!

(btw, it will be hot as hell)

Get the fighting out of your system (at least against each other) - cause at that point we need to get on with the celebration of this historical moment - that has actually given people in this country a real CHOICE of who to vote for and a reason to care and a reason to participate in a way I sure ain't seen for years (I may be young but I have a memory like an elephant....)

And then we can get on to the real fight of taking this country back.

Si Se Puede!

Yes We Will!

"Democrats Gone Wild" *L*

Sure. Why not? They've gone wild in Texas and Spitzer has in NY.

They should use those Forever stamps, to save money.

tt

Craig, you are right that Dems could pay the price in November if they don't get this worked out. I'm in Florida, and I can affirm that people here are not happy being told our votes don't count. Smugly telling us that we don't count because "we" broke the rules ignores the fact that the primary date was selected by the republican controlled legislature.

Will Rogers quotes:

You've got to be optimist to be a Democrat, and you've got to be a humorist to stay one.
Good Gulf radio show (24 June 1934)

I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.

tt

Warren

[shakes her head]

of course you want everyone to vote twice

it was undemocratic in TX

it would be undemocratic in FL

one vote for everyone

I think the plan looks good too and Carville will raise the money so we'll be all set.

and yes...it's past my bedtime

so I'm going.

:-P

Tonight's conspiracy theory:

Just listened to this and it doesn't pass the random smell test. It feels like it has Karl Rove's fingerprints on it. Because of Spitzer and Wall Street.

"Investigating Spitzer 4:11
CNN's John Roberts talks to former IRS agent Walter Pagano about Democratic Gov. Eliot Spitzer's bank account."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/12/spitzer.investigation/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

tt

Dateline NY:

The new governator of NY is David Patterson a blind, African American lawyer.

Another case of American blind justice.

tt

Here is the story from the Obama campaign:

"When we won Iowa, the Clinton campaign said it's not the number of states you win, it's "a contest for delegates."

When we won a significant lead in delegates, they said it's really about which states you win.

When we won South Carolina, they discounted the votes of African-Americans.

When we won predominantly white, rural states like Idaho, Utah, and Nebraska, they said those didn't count because they won't be competitive in the general election.

When we won in Washington State, Wisconsin, and Missouri -- general election battlegrounds where polls show Barack is a stronger candidate against John McCain -- the Clinton campaign attacked those voters as "latte-sipping" elitists.

And now that we've won more than twice as many states, the Clinton spin is that only certain states really count.

But the facts are clear.

For all their attempts to discount, distract, and distort, we have won more delegates, more states, and more votes.

Meanwhile, more than half of the votes that Senator Clinton has won so far have come from just five states. And in four of these five states, polls show that Barack would be a stronger general election candidate against McCain than Clinton."

That is a pretty good case.

What do you got Clintons - she is more "experienced" and she'll be ready on "day one." Enough of the talk and the complaining Hillary - if you are the better candidate (and you know the game better than anyone else) - than start winning!!

I read the FL election law expressly prohibits ANY mail-in voting procedures to select a nominee. I guess someone needs to hire some lobbyists to brooch this with the FL leg.

BTW Craig, when you're on MoJo tomorrow I hope you get the opportunity to mention the consequences to the MI delegation in 2004, when then DNC chairman and Clinton sap, T. McAuliffe, banned their dels from the convention because they moved their primary up. Such hypocrisy!

Great Wendy - nice job - you can go to bed.

"I think the plan looks good too and Carville will raise the money so we'll be all set."

So we have the Clinton people draw up and fund the plan INSTEAD of the DNC...I thought it was all about the party (not the Clintons)?

By God, here's something you won't see most places, except New Jersey, Connecticut, and New York:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/city_room/20080312_SpitzerLetter.pdf

Patsi,

With regards to your most recent post on the last thread, I want to remind you that I have never claimed that any of these voting patterns were racist. I have stated that I think the Clinton's are trying to marginalize the black vote. Some of her surrogates have quietly stated that they don't need to win the black vote now to win in November. They may have a point, I don't know. Just because they may be right, I don't have to like it or agree with it.

With regards to Bill Clinton, yes I did go there, so what? I have a right to voice a complaint about what my favorite President did while in the White House or the Governor's mansion. It was that selfish behavior that led to the past 8 years of shear failure and angst in this country.

Bill Clinton is my favorite President and it's not even close. If he were allowed to run again, I would vote for him. Unfortunately, he had a "focus" problem while he was president and I for one feel cheated by that.

I have had the benefit of meeting some of President Clinton's friends and advisors and you would be amazed what they will tell you after a couple of drinks. Even those who were slighted by the Clinton's still remain loyal to them. KO falls into that group. I don't think you realize how far her advisors have pushed many of their friends to shear exasperation.

Sorry for my tangent but unfortunately for Mr. Clinton, he has proven to have a wandering eye. I think one can point to parts of his record and conclude that whore does fit somewhere in his narrative.

Hillary Clinton has not shown herself to be a racist. She has shown herself to be comfortable enough in its midst for the comfort of some of those whose help she will need to get elected in November.

Just my thought though

See Warren...just when you think I'm gone

The FL Democratic Party...clearly...drew up the plan.

Did you read the BIG HEADLINE on the memo:

URGENT MEMO FROM THE FLORIDA DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Carville is just going to help fund raise for it...

Clearly the Obama campaign does not appear to be enthusiastic about helping to raise the funds...since they are more interested in disenfranchising voters...so somebody has to do it.

;-)

and

:-P

This case for McCain works a lot better against Hillary than Obama.

http://pundits.thehill.com/2008/03/12/channeling-george-washington/

It will work on a lot of Independents and disaffected Democrats.

(the Clintons need to stop with the micro-targeting - that leads to seeing states as puzzle pieces and demographics like chess pieces - and start see voters as a whole)

It's post-partisan politics people. No one wants a party line - and we especially don't want the partisan bickering. We want the best ideas - and we want some results.

The DNC Wendy.

I am sure the FL Dem. Party is in the Clinton's pocket - as it is in most states.

and just for shits and giggles before I go

Poll: Hillary Up By 18 Points In Pennsylvania Primary

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/poll_hillary_up_by_18_points_i.php

Warren,

With regards to...

The DNC Wendy.

I am sure the FL Dem. Party is in the Clinton's pocket - as it is in most states.

Posted by: warren | March 13, 2008 1:10 AM

The proof that they are linked is in how poorly they seem to be run these days.

Carville:

The honest broker?

or

The Clinton loyalist?

Who cares - right Wendy. He stepped up first - and he has a lot "experience" and a good "name" and he will do what is our best interests.

No thanks Wendy.

You will eat these words on Apr. 22 Wendy:

"Poll: Hillary Up By 18 Points In Pennsylvania Primary"

Let's see the final score. Looks like you got a head start (and the establishment).

Game on!

I don't know about you folks, but this scares me shitless...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23597612/

If McCain wins in spite of this, this scares me more

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23596304/

Corrected Repost:

I read the FL election law expressly prohibits ANY all mail-in elections for the purposes of determining nominees. I guess someone needs to hire some lobbyists to brooch this with the FL leg. 1S-2.022 - Mail Ballot Elections.
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/laws/AdoptedRules/ElectionsRules.shtml

BTW Craig, when you're on MoJo tomorrow I hope you get the opportunity to mention the consequences to the MI delegation in 2004, when then DNC chairman and Clinton sap, T. McAuliffe, threatened to bar MI from the convention because they moved their primary up. Such hypocrisy!

So much for the popular vote. More than half of the votes that Senator Clinton has won so far have come from just five states. And in four of these five states, polls show that Barack would be a stronger general election candidate against McCain than Clinton.

Rezdog:

I guess CA and NY are Superstates!!

They sure ain't swing states. CA and NY are not fans of the GOP - and the Republicans don't have them in their sights.

They are looking to the South - the same way they got Bush elected twice!

Now I know Bill was a Southern Gov. - but Hillary is a NY Senator - not the ideal candidate for the South (as shown by the primaries).

Keep FL election results since everyone was on the ballot. The democrats want to help middle income America then certify the original election and save $10 million

Have a re-vote in MI since only Hillary was on the ballot.

Lt. Gov. David Paterson will become Governor of New York State on St. Patrick’s Day and his name means,
Patterson is a Scottish surname meaning "son of Patrick.

Posted by: warren | March 13, 2008 12:52 AM

Re-writing history using false statements. You attribute quotes to Senator Clinton that are made up.

Re-writing history using false statements. You attribute quotes to Senator Clinton that are made up.

Posted by: Are your pants on fire | March 13, 2008 5:33 AM

THen Please for all of us.

Show proof in links and such. This validates your point. Make a more intelligent argument then just stating and then skating off to where ever you came from.

They sure ain't swing states. CA and NY are not fans of the GOP - and the Republicans don't have them in their sights
Posted by: warren | March 13, 2008 1:38 AM

Really Warren

March 4th, 2008 7:27 AM Eastern
McCain: I can compete in California
by Mosheh Oinounou
Waco, TX — Though he recognizes the fiscal difficulties and political challenges associated with competing in California in November, Sen. John McCain said Monday he will “insist” on campaigning in the Golden State.

“It’s the biggest state in America. I think as a Western Senator I understand their issues. I think the environmental issues are very important in California. I think I can appeal to the Hispanic vote, I think I can appeal to the Asian vote,"

"From across the aisle, Democratic political consultant Bill Carrick agreed that the Republican Party is poised to nominate its strongest candidate for California.

“He is as attractive a fit for California as any of the conceivable Republican nominees from the beginning of this process,” Carrick said. “He's got this maverick image that, despite the fact that he's pretty ideologically conservative on most issues, presents independents and Democrats with the idea that he's a different kind of Republican.”

"I think I can appeal to the Hispanic vote, I think I can appeal to the Asian vote,"

And he can.

Add in the white suburban vote tha Obama blew off this week and we lose California.

If you think a Democratic candidate would lose California under any circumstance, you're delusional. I live here and there NO WAY California is even remotely in play.

Good Morning Alpha,

I do believe Pants On Fire and Disillusioned Democrat are Republican Operatives. ;0)

"Make a more intelligent argument"

An intellegent argument is wasted on Warren. Yesterday Pogo tried. Pogo simply added up Warrens own numbers and pointed out where he was wrong. Warren denied the numbers existence, ignored basic math and stuck to his mindless talking points.

« What history predicts about this presidential election | Main | Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and the ol' buzz-o-meter »

Could Arnold Schwarzenegger win California for John McCain?
Half the fun of politics-watching is politics-speculating, and John Mercurio at the National Journal mused yesterday on what John McCain might gain by making an early play for Arnold Schwarzenegger as a member of his cabinet. It's a subscriber-only site, but we'll summarize Mercurio's thinking.

In a word, California.

Republican presidential contenders have won California before, and with the right play -- to the middle, primarily -- they could win it again. How do you make that play? You start by signing up the guv, who has won the state twice. Imagine the "Terminator" as secretary of Homeland Security. Or the "Kindergarten Cop" in charge of education.

This is how Obama plans to carry Indiana by saying he would be Richard Lugar in his cabinet.

McCain will do well in California beause he does well in the Hispanic ommunity.

At the worst McCain can force the Democrats to compete in California and spend resources.

Resorting to name calling- that really proves any point.

If California is such a great Democratic state, why is there a two term R

Disillusioned....

When you post here, you are not just talking to Warren. You are making a public statement. The rest of us and the lurking public read your posts too.

So when I say, Make a more intelligent argument, you are going to get more posting on your stand when you show proof.

Plus. When you just make a comment of someone elses post without proof, you are looked upon as troll. Something negative. That brings nothing possitive to your cause does it?

You don't want that do you?

Boy speaking of kindergarten cop.

Give the nanny role a break. There is only one moderator.

Long held beiefs on this blog and it actually makes it fun when you share your homework. ;0)

its up to you, show you integrity to you comments or don't. Up to you.

The Chef is going to work.

Have a great day guys!

Oh and I'm not the enemy and neither is Obama. The republican Party is.

Yet California has a Republican governor

Arnold is the best Democratic Republican one could vote for.

Arnold is the best Democratic Republican one could vote for.

Posted by: alpha1906

Exactly the image McCain is promoting.

Racial Swift Boating, Craig? Sorry, that's enough for me to quit this blog. See you guys. That comment is so offensive I can't even type. Obama making white people feel guilty? Did he make GF's comments? And he's being blamed for commenting? What type of world do you live in where African Americans are supposed to tolerate comments like this in order to make white people feel okay with themselves. Terrible Craig. Terrible.

Bye all, It's been great.

Hit the road, Jack.......

"Obama making white people feel guilty?"

No , only the liberal nut cases and they just enjoy their guilt.
The many of us are just getting pissed at his tactics.
I was an Obama supporter at one time but no more. He will not get my vote again. Most of the time I will vote for the party even if I don't like the candidate. But sometimes the candidate is too offensive, as now, then I don't vote. I learned a long time ago, I don't have to mark everybox.
A Koolaid hangover is a bitch, I know.

Why is Ferraro's comment a huge deal when Obama has said same:

Maureen Dowd, "Ways of the Wayward", 3/12/08

"Obama acknowledged when he arrived in the Senate that he got more attention, his big book deal and his celebrity, because he is not white. He was only the third black senator elected since Reconstruction."

"Make a more intelligent argument, you are going to get more posting on your stand when you show proof"

Unless you are an Obama supporter, like Warren, then you can ignore that requirement

CHICAGO - Barack Obama’s controversial pastor

"...Obama, who was baptized at Trinity United, has been an active member of the church for two decades and receives spiritual mentorship from Wright.

The title of Obama’s second book, “The Audacity of Hope,” was taken from a sermon by Wright.

During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama’s upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.

“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people,” Wright said. “Hillary would never know that.

“Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

“Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/12/obamas-controversial-pastor-puts-church-in-hot-water/

anyone who doesnt vote democrat in the general is asking for 4 more years of gop perfidy.

No, thanks.

not to mention validation of the last eight years.......unacceptable.

"anyone who doesnt vote democrat in the general is asking for 4 more years of gop perfidy."

True
Which tells you just how pissed I am. From Obama's behavior in the last week, I have reached the conclusion that an Obama Presidency would be worse for this country, than a Republican one.

obama to me is a schnook.......too bad......but he's a democrat and the democrats have to win the next one....end of story.......anyone who can find any reason to accept another republican jerk for president is ipso facto a republican......so change parties and get on with it.......

Turned on MoJo this morning, only to be assaulted with a "special" comment from KO. Doesn't Darth Olby realize that his audience (comprised of Dems for the most part, sans this one as of late) are simply going to be more divided by his hate-mongering?

If Rush or BillO had compared anyone, ANYONE, to the likes of whom he compared Geraldine Ferraro, he would have been on his soapbox blasting them with his words.

KO does not vote because of his journalistic integrity to not show bias? Give me a break. If he is not on the stump for Obama, I can only assume that his histrionics are to show everyone that of all of the politically correct people in the world, he is the politically correct-iest.

It's official: KO is now so full of himself that he can serve as a hot air balloon in Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade.

From KO to Craig; from the ridiculous to the sublime.

"Obama making white people feel guilty? Did he make GF's comments? "

Sweet Jesus. No, Alf, Obama isn't making me feel guilty one damned bit. What he's done is make me wonder if I am even allowed to discuss race anymore. If I can't, then so be it. The divide grows, and who's pushing it?

It's made me feel like he's lying to himself and to me when he says he is looking for change, at the very time his surrogates are scrounging the papers and internet for any damned thing so as to cry racism. And he's made sexist comments that NOBODY calls him on. NOBODY.

Now Ridley is on tv saying the Ferraro comments are an example of "liberal hamfistedness" -- that it's because to liberals race is just cocktail party talk. Bullshit. I lived in a 95% black neighborhood for several years, worked on a crew one summer with ten black guys, was very close to all my kids black friends -- and there were more of them than anglo. Race ain't some cocktail party conversation.

Oh, by the way, Alf...my landlord in the black neighborhood was a black couple, friends of mine. She was a writer, he a successful businessman. I had to move when she got very sick with Sickle Cell and he left her for his busty blonde secretary. House sold in the divorce proceedings. She isn't alive today and he's off with the blonde bimbo. Black men are no more righteous than anyone else.

Hi Sturge...

Agree with you completey - Go Democrats!

Howard Metzenbaum died --more Democrats like this please I still have my "metz" fan baseball from his first campaign.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Obit-Metzenbaum.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

I had to get up early because of being a procrastinator
and caught Craig on morning load. I am starting to think of Craig as the Wendell Berry of politics.

KGC.....being a procrastinator, you could have put off getting up.......eh?

Sturge

I think it's called something else when you sleep past the deadline.

Sturgeone,

The election is over, McCain has won. We get 4 more years of Republican rule. All we can do now is lessen the damage to the down ticket Democrats, then see if we can pick up the pieces in time to contest the 2012 election.

disill.......no, thanks.......I most respectfully disagree.....

Barack Obama's mentor: Hillary aint never been called a .....

The Repubs would use video like this against Obama - It's very unpleasant. Obama supporters should watch this, there is much more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPjVp3PLnVs

4 more years of the past 8 years of unadulterated gop sewage politics?

"Nuts."
-----McAulliffe (sp)

Craig....
you are one brave man to say the stuff you did this morning on MoJo.....
but hell...... someone had to say it.....

Ridley said Obama had to say something about GF's remarks.....
well his silence when the media speculated that NH went for Clinton because of secret racism spoke volumes.....

at this point.... I feel as if the Obama campaign is trying to bully people into voting for them..... and those kinds of tactics always blow up in one's face....

I want the Dems to win in November..... bullying will not get them there.....

" I feel as if the Obama campaign is trying to bully people into voting for them..."

Exactly. They need to consider the fact that the general election is not a caucus.

"I am starting to think of Craig as the Wendell Berry of politics.-- Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker"

ok, KGC, you got me with that one -- but i don't get it, what does that mean?

alpha, hope you get over it and come back, always appreciate your perspective

"Exactly. They need to consider the fact that the general election is not a caucus."

Too late, this time Obama's racial politics has come to the attention of the suburbs. They don't trust urban politicians (black or white) in the first place and with Obama behaving as the worst kind of stereotypical black politician, stick a fork in it. This election is over

"To appreciate Berry, you must first understand that he has staked his life on a gamble of faith -- "the faith being," he says, "that if you make a commitment, and hang on until death, there are rewards."
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004/08/05/engler-berry/

"While keeping himself put, Berry has constructed a politics that has changed little over his 45-year literary career, yet remains iconoclastic. In the 1970s, he made new-guard environmentalism look aged by marrying it with traditional agrarian sentiment. Then he made "conservatives" look like reckless futurists by pointing to the threat that unchecked market growth and technological expansion pose to both community values and ecological well-being. In a nation ostensibly locked into a well-defined political divide, he represents an American voice that avoids easy classification"

It wsa compliment.

Good morning...

If anyone is interested you can find a couple of K.O.'s Special Comments on Bill and Hillary I believe were he's defending them.

That is if anyone is interested to look them up instead of bashing him without seeing that he is an equal opportunity Special Commenter.

I got to go do a job, see you later.

God Bless.

Craig: I thought you were superb on Morning Joe and the only reason I tuned in this morning. You made the best point of the day: What does Obama gain by going this route? Is he ever going to try and get my vote? Or, does he believe as he said earlier in the campaign that he knows he can get all of Clinton's votes but she can't get all of his? Keep your fingers crossed dude! Click those ruby slippers and maybe your dreams come true. Or, maybe when you wake up John McCain will be President. That's the real nightmare, isn't it?

cool, KGC, i was a Berry enthusiast in college and you've brought him back to me, thanks

"Ridley said Obama had to say something about GF's remarks.....well his silence when the media speculated that NH went for Clinton because of secret racism spoke volumes."

RR,
There's a difference between confronting an insult made to you face as opposed to one made behind your back. btw , I believe he did dismiss the notion of the "Bradley effort' in NH when asked about it.

Ferraro's comment was made in answer to a question during a paid speech before an audience of 350.
The only press coverage was in a throwway newspaper.

The Obama campaign found it and made an issue out of it If not for their promoting the remarks
no one would have been talking about them.

Obama did not dismiss the Bradley effect, he left it lying on the table and said further study of the election results would show the truth. And has never revisited it.

Did anyone hear Keith O last night on MSNBC. It was terrible and they should fire him.
He is a egotisticall idiot and somehow thinks what he says mean anything at all.

Yes KC, she made her original remarks 10 days earlier before repeating them to the "breeze"and then repeating them over and over on every major outlet.. But oddly to me she made similar comments 20 yrs earlier, but that's a different issue.
i'll look for any NH material.I was just trying to recollect.

correction

the comment was made in a telephone interview prior to the speech

http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8489268
the original article

she also said this
Ferraro does not buy the notion of Obama as the great reconciler.

"I was reading an article that said young Republicans are out there campaigning for Obama because they believe he's going to be able to put an end to partisanship," Ferraro said, clearly annoyed. "Dear God! Anyone that has worked in the Congress knows that for over 200 years this country has had partisanship - that's the way our country is."

but that was completely ignored.

I've been lurking for a while (just can't give up on you guys) but I just have to jump back in and say a few things...

Hillary is running a racist campaign, and it's working. She would have been out of it by now except for that.

And here's Craig on Mojo this AM talking about the "word police," and buying into the Clinton line "Oh, no. We're not using racist surrogates. It's just those hyper-politically-correct Obama liberals overreacting."

I thought he was smarter than that.

-Nash, over and out.
(The real Nash, not the silly fake-name-generating troll you have hanging around here. If you start getting posts from "Hussein Nash the Marxist," it's not me.

"I was reading an article that said young Republicans are out there campaigning for Obama because they believe he's going to be able to put an end to partisanship," Ferraro said, clearly annoyed.

Maybe the young Repubs believe Obama would be easier to defeat in Nov.

I guess he never did comment about it (BE), but then again that's probably a smart idea. Seems that it would only call attention to an issue he was wanting to avoid anyway.

I've been lurking for a while (just can't give up on you guys) but I just have to jump back in and say a few things...

Hillary is running a racist campaign, and it's working. She would have been out of it by now except for that.

And here's Craig on Mojo this AM talking about the "word police," and buying into the Clinton line "Oh, no. We're not using racist surrogates. It's just those hyper-politically-correct Obama liberals overreacting."

I thought he was smarter than that.

-Nash, over and out.
(The real Nash, not the silly fake-name-generating troll you have hanging around here. If you start getting posts from "Hussein Nash the Marxist," it's not me.

Ohhh Nasch

You are sooooooooooo silly.
What;s in a name.

"So we have the Clinton people draw up and fund the plan INSTEAD of the DNC...I thought it was all about the party (not the Clintons)?"

Warren,

Dean said they should draw up a plan and submit it to the DNC for approval. That is what they did. This business of blaming the Clinton camp for being the ones doing wrong is completely assinine.

The Muslim photo doesn't come from the Clinton camp but they are blamed for it. The Ferraro comment comes from the Obama people circulating a ten day old comment to newspeople that Clinton didn't know anything about and she gets called racist.

Sorry. BS on this one. I've come to the conclusion that Mr. Crawford is right. The one who is willing to do anything will win the nomination and Obama has conclusively proven that the "new politics" is just the old cut them off at the knees politics and he is just one more sleezy politician.

mornin' all.

Sturg, as always, you speak volumes of the truth. Who in the world wants McCain as president? God help us if that's what we get. Close your eyes and imagine America with that nutjob as president, the ineffectual leadership team of Pelosi and Reid, and a Supreme Court with 7 conservative justices. Now stay home because your candidate got beat by the bitch or the saviour.. Oh, and as you leave, you may deposit your nose in the box by the door.

Good lord - please look at the bigger picture - sturg and Renee can tell you that if you can't bring yourself to vote for Obama or Clinton, bring yourself to vote against McCain. This might help, imagine waking up every morning, rolling over in bed and seeing McCain next to you. If that doesn't do it, I don't know what could.

Oh, and thanks disillusioned for the defense last night - I take any support I can get.

And someone reconcile this for me - Obama is shown in head to head polls to beat Mcain with a larger margin than Clinton, but Clinton has beat Obama by double digits in two of the 3 most important swing states from the last 2 presidential elections (as to FL, I know, I know) and is ahead in the third of the 3 by double digits, and today is shown to be 4 points ahead of Barack in a nationwide poll. I'm not being snarky - I cannot reconcile those two apparent contradictions.

Jamie: The Obama camp must be of the opinion that they don't need white women or working (middle class) folks. That's really the only reason I can think of for them to continue frenzinizing (new word, I made it up) their base.

frenzination
frenzinous
frenzinatry
frenzinator

I like it......

spoke to my favorite California Conservative last night. None of his contacts want to work for McCain. Even when lining up down ticket support, they are making him promise they won't have to do anything for John. The conservatives don't want to have anything to do with him, so I wouldn't be to hopeful about California is I were the Senator.

and the ever popular Frenziferous.....

"Close your eyes and imagine America with that nutjob as president, the ineffectual leadership"

I am, the only ineffectual leadership I see is Obama.

But it doesn't make any difference my vote will not decide this election, redstate here.

Obama started it - fight race with race.

Helter Skelter Gordo...sounds like a winner!

"Obama has conclusively proven that the "new politics" is just the old cut them off at the knees politics and he is just one more sleezy politician."

Yep

Frankly, I'd rather vote for someone who has spent her time in and out of office trying to make a real difference in people's lives rather than the guy who has spent his time in office...well...running for the next highest office.

What, he's pushed through two decent pieces of legislation in his entire career and it is questionable at the state level whether any of his legislation was his at all or just his name on other people's work. Hmmmm plagiarism...that sounds familiar.

I'm so angry about the Obama campaign being allowed to rip down the women of the Democratic party and get away with it (the media is complicit) - what a chump Obama was calling Geraldine Ferraro..."wrong headed"...what a chump with all those old white men standing behind him as he's introduced by some general saying "No DRAMA OBAMA"...

I won't ever vote for Obama - if he loses the election it will be because he let a bunch of misogynists run his campaign and a misogynistic media went along with it. It'll be Obama's fault if you get a conservative court and women lose their right to choose. It'll be Obama's fault...so sent your hate mail to him.

After Olbermann last night and some of the crap on MoJo (not you Craig...by the time I get up here on the West Coast...I miss you) this morning, I don't think I can take anymore. I might need a little break.

Think I'll go donate more money to Hillary's campaign.

Sturg: The Frenzinator and Frenziferous are my favs. Keep up the good work.

nash,
while I think in this instance you are terribly misguided :-{) I really wish you, Renee, 9/11 & Bowman would spend more time here elevating the level of the discussion. I'm growing weary of seeing people talk past each other.

sturg, glad to see you back in a participatory manner. Stay around, willya?

Wendy: Flatus inspired me on to donate $100 last night. Maybe I'll get my husband to honor you this AM with another $100! Thanks for the suggestion!

"Think I'll go donate more money to Hillary's campaign"

Wendy
save your money it is too late.

Do what I'm doing. Find good Democrats running to unseat Republican congressmen or senators and give them your support. They will need a lot of help as this debacle unfolds.

Wendy!,

Man do I understand your need for an MSNBC break. Same thing happened to me with the HuffGobama Post. I rarely go there unless there is something breaking - they tend to get it before the Times or the Post, and sometimes beat AP, but their more or less official (relentless at least) pro-Obama editorial policy drove me away.

BTW, Dexter, Corey, where the hell are you?

pogalo......many graciases........I am nothing if not participatous......didnt have the internet for a bit due to moving.....

Rez, thanks for the link to the FL voting regs. I read them as you do - don't see how a mail in election passes muster - I expect either the SoS to step in or the Obama campaign (I only point to it because of Plouffe's recent statements on the issue) to file a suit to block the mail in primary from going forward.

Pogo

I need a break from the whole thing.

I've been taking a break already from MSNBC. I only got sucked in to MSNBC this morning was because I'd hoped to see Craig...[sigh]...missed Craig and then proceeded by be assaulted by their idiocy.

Carlyle Capital in default on 16+ billion of debt.

Hey Pogo isn't that some of the best friends to the Bushes.

sturg, I sympathize - I HATE MOVING. It disrupts about every part of your life for a couple of months in my experience. Still near your old haunts.

He's lying.

that weasel on the tv I mean......the liar.

Wendy!, I certainly understand - I have to be out of the office this afternoon and tomorrow - away from computers - and I'm frankly looking forward to being away from this for a while. Before you get away, do you have my e-mail addy?

Other issues.

"5 counties in Florida and 2 counties in Michigan must ask the Department of Justice's Voting Section to make sure that the new rules (DNC) do not violate the rights of any aggrieved minorities. Alternatively, they can ask a federal judge to bless the new rules, but that would take, at the very least, six months."

I think Civil Rights, DoJ involved too.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/would_bushs_justice_department.php

El Pog....si as to near old haunts......immersed in old haunts......didnt move far.....just switched islands......lol

I think the Florida voting plan sounds reasonable and I believe the June 3, date will give the MSM led by Russert, Mathews, Dowd and partners the time to dissemble Hillary. Let the media expose expose Hillary' s experience and point out the quixotic brilliance of BO. Hillary and her supporters need to be conditioned to the fact of BO's inscrutable infallibility. BO's omnipresence will delver us from the Clintonista's bazaar experimental belief in free will. BO wins Fl. Nothing can stop his lordship.

Milquetoast for BO

Rez, I really don't know much about Carlyle other than if they are who the newest CNBC money chick was talking about today, their bonds are AAA rated, which is a huge problem that should have fairly deep ripple effects in the market.

Antoin "Tony" Rezdog -----------

Obama has destroyed the Dem Party. Did you hear about Doug Wilder's warnings (threats?) from a few weeks ago?

"Richmond Mayor L. Douglas Wilder warns there will be chaos at the Democratic National Convention if superdelegates anoint a nominee who did not win the most popular votes.

If that happens, the scene at the Democrats' August convention in Denver could be worse than the unrest at the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago, Wilder said today on the CBS program "Face the Nation."

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-02-17-0302.htl
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Rezdog

The Florida proposal addresses the disadvantaged voter issue and the state legislature is in session and could amend the election code to allow for the mail in ballot. In earlier reports they said the provision against mail in ballots wasa "tiny" probem.

KC,
I bring these issues up because if the FL leg or DoJ throws a monkey wrench in the proposed plan then BO is going to get the blame here and elsewhere. So, it's kind of a heads up.

Pogo - I don't think I do have your e-mail address.

Nash: "Hillary is running a racist campaign, and it's working. "

What a crock.

sturg - I fondly remember the days when I moved from AL to NH in a Toyota Corolla. Now it's pack for two weeks and hire someone else to move the stuff. Sigh.

Rezdog
Looks like Obama is getting the blame for roadblocks and deserves it.

"....shameless hypocrisy of the Obama campaign. Barack Obama is out there having his campaign argue that mail in voting has some type of impact that requires a Voting Rights Act review that could be troubling. That it will take more than a rubber stamp. Let's be clear, if the implication is this is just filling out a form, then no one would be bringing this up. Even the time frame is not a particular problem. No, Barack Obama is intimating that HE will raise a Voting Rights Act issue about mail in voting.

The SAME Barack Obama who is co-sponsor of the Senate version of this bill, "The Universal Right To Vote By Mail Act", which declares that NOT ALLOWING mail in voting in every state (28 do through absentee balloting) disenfranchises voters, now opposes a mail in revote. I have heard of chutzpah, but this one takes the cake."
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/12/151551/198

The AP has released new delegate totals. As a result of New York and Colorado releasing final numbers, Obama's delegate lead is the same now as it was before Mississippi. Here's what happened:

Obama won 19 of the 33 delegates at stake Tuesday, according to the Associated Press tally, which gives him an overall lead, including superdelegates, of 111.

Clinton, however, eliminated Obama's gain from Mississippi when she picked up five delegates yesterday based on final results from the New York primary and the Colorado caucuses, both held Feb. 5.

Thus, Obama's gain from Mississippi is no more.

Wendy!,
larrychafinsteptoejohnsoncom . Don't be a stranger.

Gordo,
I think Wilder's assessment is a pretty fair take on the possibilities if SDs are perceived to overturn the will of the people (however that's measured). i don't discern his comments as a threat, like some would.

From Richard Whalen's CQ blog:

A former Democratic Senator who has known McCain and tried to work with him over the years expresses worry about his ability to grasp the complexities of our deflating, recession-hit economy, adding: “McCain is not the brightest bulb on the tree.”

Worry-worn voters are going to get it pretty fast – McCain’s proposals simply don’t fit the economic hell we are facing. When it don’t fit, it don’t fit.

Wendy!, let me try again: larry dot chafin at steptoe hyphen johnson dot com.

I can certainly see why the Fed thinks we are not going to have much of a recession.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-World-Markets.html?hp

Of course their anitcipated move in cutting the prime rate again only weakens the dollar, which raises the price of goods (read oil) and the foreign markets will react as they are reacting. Is there a trend that I'm missing here? I admit to being an economics amateur at best.

BTW, the Dow is down 204 today so far and has been falling since the market opened.

Pogo
Carlyle Group is the Fund run by Repug heavyweights.
Their HedgeFund is up in smoke as a consequence of GWB stewardship of the economy.
Other Hedge funds are taking defensive actions to minimize the spilover to them by limiting withdrawal.
Its the mess I blogged about to Maxtrue.
Brace yourself, there is worse to come.

"Looks like Obama is getting the blame for roadblocks and deserves it."

Figures KC, tell me something new!

Sorry, I didn't get you take on the 2004 Mcauliffe intervention with MI & FL. No hypocrisy there I guess.

"No, Barack Obama is intimating that HE will raise a Voting Rights Act issue about mail in voting."

Is this innuendo or what, I was looking for something the campaign said besides asking some questions, which I guess now translates into roadblocks.

has anyone seen ben smith's blog on politico.....it is a real firestorm....makes ferraro look like a saint

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wright_on_film.html#comments

Pogo
I posted yesterday that the rally on Tuesday was a "dead cat" bounce. The $200 B intervention was a knee jerk response to the problems in the Hedge fund market.
The intervention is too little and too late and wall Street is signalling that sentiment.
Expect more liquidity injection.
Where is Maxtrue?he accused Dems of fear mongering with respect to the economy.He needs to talk to the Repugs who administer the Carlyle group!

Rezdog

First the Obama campaign said they had trouble with the "firehouse" primary. Then they said,the was inaccurate and the campaign would agree to whatever the DNC decided and now they are raising questions which are contradictory to previous Obama stands.

That Jeremiah Wright sermon is incredible.

Though I'm a big believer in the miracle of cognitive dissonance, I don't see how Obama can avoid denouncing Wright just based on that sermon alone

Thanks, Viv. Until this election cycle I would never have imagined that any of the financial heavyweights had significant ties to the dem party, and they may not really, but they did contribute heavily this cycle - to both candidates. Tells me a great deal about who they think will win in Nov.

KGC,

My earlier posts were really confined to the FL leg and DoJ problems and suggesting that if these hurdles weren't cleared, then he'd probably get the blame for their inaction.

Whew! At least for the moment, the Dow has quit falling.

from what i understand fox news bought the sermon from the trinity church.....MSNBC and CNN havent touched the story yet.......ABC has the story on its website

ABC has a video of wright sermon saying "GOD BLESS AMERICA SHOULD BE GOD DAM AMERICA" boy what a radical preacher...he also blame America for 911

CNN 2.28.2008 old story for them

"MARY SNOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Once again, Senator Barack Obama is facing questions about his church pastor and mentor, Jeremiah Wright, of the Trinity United Church of Christ. The questions started at the launch of his presidential campaign when he dis-invited Reverend Wright to speak"

KGC

true they mentioned the pastor but never showed the videos of what this crackpot preaches

She is attractive, but not $5K an hour attractive.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html

Carlyle Fund collaspe
does this mean Poppyand Bar will have to get jobs.

Is there a Walmart nearby?

Rezdog....

I remember Maya Angelou stating that if one is silent in the face of racism, sexism, or any other type of mudslinging than one is condoning the insult....

and just to be clear...... if Clinton had won Iowa and then Obama had won NH with the media stating it must be because NHerites are secret sexists..... if Clinton had been silent..... I'd be pissed off at her....

I do not believe that people who vote or voted for Obama are sexists and I do not think that people who vote or voted for Clinton are racists.....
I think most people voting in the Democratic primaries and caucuses are voting FOR their chosen candidate.... not against the other....

once again...... I want the Democrats to win in November.....
slinging around charges of sexism and racism will not result in that, IMO....

Thank you Renee

Certainly there is an element of voting for someone with whom you have a great deal in common, but I don't believe that this is the only criterion that people are using for their vote. Sen Clinton is my candidate and yes there is some middleaged plus feminist kinship in that choice, but the MAIN reason has to do with what I believe are her superior qualifications for the job.

Those voting for Sen Obama may feel that his being AA is a plus (particularly for those who share everything that goes with that circumstance), but they are probably placing more faith in his rhetoric and promises of things that would improve their lives and perceived qualifications as well.

All voting is subjective and it's almost impossible to tease out everything that enters into that decision.

RR,
I agree and that's why i think he personally needed to address the GF story even if it's contrary to his seemingly desire to avoid identity politics. I'm not sure why he did so poorly in NH and I'm sure his campaign understands it either and the pollsters still seem to be confused by the results.

I was posting here yesterday about my confusion concerning how either candidate benefits by "playing" the race card. I don't think i still have a good handle on question.

I do wholeheartedly agree with your last paragraph, this election is extremely important to our party and country.
.

Mayor of Detroit

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080312/METRO/803120472

Detroit Mayor.

I didn't read which candidate Kilpatrick is supporting. But I am sure that story will be out soon.

Rezdog

The last graph of the story is for you.

Is there a link to Craig's appearance this morning??

"She is attractive, but not $5K an hour attractive."
--FryDaddy

IMO, in a couple pics(especially pic #2), she looks like a guy...check out her huge hands.

...I'm just sayin' 8)

Well, you guys keep it between the lines - I'm outta here until Monday or so.

KC,
That dog don't hunt for BOcampaign .He's had that support sewn up since his Iowa victory.
I suggested yesterday, that going for a Black/white divide as a campaign strategy was crazy in my opinion and suicide.

Rezdog
I don't agree that he had the support sewn up after Iowa the SC polls did not shift until right before the election after the Obama campaign memo on the alleged racism went out.

KC,
I questioned further his need to improve his Black support from 92%(MS) by race baiting was a stupid notion.

To quote Lou Rawls" We are caught in the tradewinds...."
The Repugs need to be sent into the political wilderness for a period of soul searching and reinvention.
By June the Dems will have pick the nominee and the process of uniting Dems ,Indies & disillusioned Repugs to restore the promise of this Great Republic.
BO supporters will be intially disappointed but they will come on board.
The stakes are too high.
HRC will lead the restoration of the common good as embodied in the Constitution.

Rezdog

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/floridas-last-stand.html#comment-51543

"The Obama camp must be of the opinion that they don't need white women or working (middle class) folks."

Those are big leaps KC.

Rezdog

Just showing you another point of view and why this issue resonates with people.
And why people think Obama is playing the race card.
(even though he already has the solid backing of the black comunity)

KC,
I could suggest to you that HRC was blowing of the Black vote too, but i don't believe it. Both of these camps expect to win the nom and they know the consequences of this situation.

Rezdog

I agree with you that no campaign blows of large blocs of voters. But sometime there are unintended consequences .

"The Obama camp must be of the opinion that they don't need white women or working (middle class) folks."

Rezdog,

That is pretty much the way every statement coming from his camp feels. The whole attitude is "go away and don't bother us, we're busy turning the page with hope for a change. Silly questions about how we plan to bring about nirvana are just so so aggravating."

Good we agree on something.:)

I believe in unintended consequences, but the prize for these two is not the nomination. This to big of a proposition to roll dice.

*shuffles the race card over to KC for the day*

It wasn't racism in New Hampshire. NH has alot of experience in judging presidential candidates. NH looked at Obama and decided that he wasn't the best person for the job. Nothing more, nothing less.

Heck of a Job Rezdog!

Well that made laugh , you managed to quite a few buttons.

I'm disappointed by Alpha's departure.

I was hoping he, or some other kind soul actively supporting Sen Obama, would give me a vision of our country two or three years after his election. What changes will he have made? Will their be a change in how people perceive the role of government? What will be the state of race relations--not just black and white, but Native American and Hispanic as well. Will assimilation of minorities of all ethnicities be a national goal? Will efforts at integration continue? Will there be genuine legal acceptance of gay and lesbian relationships? Will career military veterans receive the benefits they were promised when they opted for career service? Will disabled veterans receive the care and support they need to survive in what they may perceive as a hostile world? Will some groups feel as if they've lost something, or will all segments of our society be uplifted?

'Im disappointed by Alpha's departure.

That's a lovely sentiment

Milquetoast for BO

more are making the exit - no longer a good use of time

I’ve been scanning a bunch of DEM blogs and it’s getting really really crazy!!

The LEMMINGS for Odrama remind me of the LEMMINGS for W.

Always making excuses for him.
Never reading anything negative about their GUY whether it is provable or not.

It’s really scary to watch the extremists on BOTH sides look soooo eerily similar!

Odrama’s PREACHER now is headlines and really a scary reminder of how much they can HATE!

Here’s the link if you have not seen it yet. This “man of GOD?” in this video is scary.

http://http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPjVp3PLnVs

and BO has been attending this church for 20 yrs! And donated over 20 grand?? How MUCH do you think he and Michelle have been influenced???

A LOT I would think.

I'm a Mother, a Veteran and disabled and this country makes me more sad each and every day. I didn't think it was possible after the MESS W has made.
and I used to be a PROUD Democrat. Not so much anymore.

VERY sad for our country!

Oh my goodness they removed the video

Here's a link where it appear to be working. Sorry

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

I keep reading this threat that Democrats will lose Florida unless they agree to seat delegates elected in violation of party rules, but I don't see the logic of it. Are there really people who prefer Obama to McCain, but who would vote against him to punish the party for refusing to accept "delegates" elected in violation of party rules? I doubt it. Democrats face an uphill battle for Florida in any case. Being a party that keeps its word is not going to make it any tougher. The party would lose far more votes by changing the rules in the middle of the contest, because it would reveal the entire nominating process to be a sham.

"more are making the exit - no longer a good use of time"
--exit
_____

Is "exit" really "alpha1906"...with his new incognito lurker i.d.???

We all know people never really leave here...they just change their name(temporarily)and continue to post or lurk. Once they quit pouting...they come back...they always come back. 8)

LMAO!!!

Carolinadawn:

Here's another link:

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

VERY sad for our country!
Posted by: Carolinadawn

Your not alone in your feelings...and I share your apprehension.

Issues with Clinton's plan (I mean the FL Dem. Party's plan) for a mail-in vote:

http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/story/454653.html

I lived in FLA most of my life. AM now in NC (thankfully) lol.

But I can tell you all that my extended family down there is ready and willing to revote. They were mad the FIRST ones didn't count but are more than willing to do it all again and this time make it STICK.

Gee I wonder how it will feel for Obama to lose TWICE in both states? Then will they call it a beauty contest? Might MO be more PROUD of her country with a revote? Let's HOPE so.
It IS all about HOPE after all right?

tsk. yes I'm being snarky but I am still REALLY MAD about all the GARBAGE over Geraldine and the race baiting crapola. Especially angry over the lemming Keith O. Never thought he'd turn like he has. Edward R Murrow indeed! NOT!!! Loserman.

Pants on fire:

I am sure the GOP will give lip service about CA. But McCain - running on continuing Bush's policies and the Iraq war - is going to "focus" elsewhere. Cause that stuff won't play out there.

Every politician will always "say" that they will campaign in every state because every vote is important (except of course Hillary Clinton)

Dawn:

"Gee I wonder how it will feel for Obama to lose TWICE in both states?"

Why don't we ask HRC? She should know something about this - since she has LOST in 29 states!!

btw Craig

I sent a nice email to one of your bosses (Riley?) the other day telling him how much I enjoy your Trail Mix!

Thank you for doing this.
I hope your bosses appreciate you!

"Never thought he'd turn like he has."

Perhaps you are the one that has turned my dear.

I still try to skim the comments but to be honest I'm not motivated to comment on the discussion itself. I do believe that Barack Obama is becoming the "black" candidate and that the racial polarization is re-asserting itself. It is totally turning me off. I could write more, but what's the point? I think the black community is searching for insult in any and all comments. Listening to Obama's reverend go LOCO on Hillary, all I could think was "how well is this going to play to non-black Americans?" The more I hear some of our black citizens talk, the more I realize how much I disagree with them. America is polarized in so many ways, race, gender, income, education, religion, sexuality... there are more. Tell me how ANYONE can present him/herself as a uniter in such a situation?

I still browse, but I try to keep my comments to the bare minimum.

ET - I'm happy to see you...thinking of taking a break from all of this...but wanted to give you my e-mail because I'd like to stay in touch...

acousticgtrwmc

GMAIL

Warren,

"Issues with Clinton's plan"

Sen Obama's campaign has repeatedly been asked for suggestions. He keeps blowing it off saying whatever is acceptable to the DNC. The DNC keeps saying the rules allow for a proposed alternate primary of some sort that is acceptable to both candidates and the State of Florida.

The Clinton campaign and the Governor come up with a plan that can be submitted to the DNC for approval, but Obama's has "questions" without ever taking part in the negotiations. Well poor poor sulking baby. He wants to disenfranchise 1.7 million voters who voted on the only day given to them by the Republican governor. That shows how much he believes in democracy when he would prefer a coronation.

We've had King George for seven years. King Barack the First isn't any more attractive.

Thanks Wendy

eurotom

GMAIL

or

eurotomm

YAHOO

or... (kidding)

perhaps NOT

I think and speak for myself

I KNOW HIllary is flawed. Everyone knows that. What MOST DO NOT KNOW is that Odrama is equally as flawed.

I want the BEST politician for the job
I want the BEST (he didn't run)
so my next BEST option is Hillary

NOT a novice. Too much is at stake.
and it's JMO. LIttle RED states will stay LITTLE RED states.
Unless there is a mass evacuation of UTAH I don't see it happening.

FLA and MI however are KEY
if I am wrong, we shall see in NOV.
of course by then it will be woefully too late

President McKook - YUCK! I just can't stand the thought.
(thanks Craig for letting me rant - I've just been reading for awhile and finally got angry enough to post)

not at you of course.
Peace

Here's the proposal

http://www.fladems.com/

Clinton supporters:

Don't you see that the Clinton campaign is turning you into - brace yourselves - Republicans.

Attacking the liberal media and using the politics of fear,

And Ferraro's BS argument about Obama being where he is today because he's black - c'mon.

That is the same argument used by the GOP against affirmative action - and I wonder how you feel about its merit in that context.

Anyways, I know you think such tactics are the only way to win. But as a defense attorney - I come across plaintiff's attorneys using this sophistry all the time. And we don't beat them by going down to their level. Instead we beat them on a regular basis by taking the high road.

Clinton needs to get off the low road - where she has been since before TX and OH. If she win's on her message - no complaints here.

But if she win's by using the Republican playbook - has she really won - or is it really a victory for the GOP?

EuroTom:

"I think the black community is searching for insult in any and all comments."

And exactly how is this different from Clinton supporters calling us, the media and even Obama sexist?

Is it because sexism is real - and racism is made up?

Get real buddy.

Warren:

Can you explain to me why you continue to think that Hillary's campaign SENT Geraldine Ferraro out there to make those comments?

Ferraro is a Hillary supporter who threw ONE fund raiser for her. IF you throw a fund raiser your name goes on the finance committee.

Ferraro IS NOT/WAS NOT a surrogate.

She WAS NOT at a campaign event

She considers herself a pundit and a political analyst and was fulfilling the role of political analyst when she made the comments.

The comments were made in the context of analysing race and gender in this campaign. Clearly these ARE issues of the campaign.

Did she frame her comments poorly? Obviously

Was she speaking on behalf of the Clinton campaign? NO

So stop saying that Ferraro's comments are part of Hillary's strategy.

Doesn't Obama's staff have better things to do with their time than sit there and search Lexis/Nexis for comments they can spin into some salacious story?

I used to live in Torrance and I can tell you that people in Torrance don't even read the Daily Breeze...they had to do a lot of digging to find that comment.

Warren,

If Obama ever comes up with a message that has anything to say about what he will do in office other than wave hope and change pom poms, I might be willing to listen to him.

He is the one playing the race card. He is the one making snide offhad remarks about anyone who backs Clinton.

He isn't qualified to be President and he wouldn't be qualified to be President if he were white, blue, pink, or purple with orange polka dots.

Wendy:

"Can you explain to me why you continue to think that Hillary's campaign SENT Geraldine Ferraro out there to make those comments?"

I don't think that.

Jamie:

Read The Audacity of Hope. It is a whole book about how he wants to change Washington - not a few talking points drafted by some staffers.

Wendy,

Thank goodness someone else knows what a Lexis/Nexis search is and just how repugnant what the Obama campaign did. This was a completely blatant attack by the Obama campaign on Geraldine Ferraro and the Clinton campaign and the Media fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

Warren,

He can change Washington by staying in one job long enough to do it for a while before running for the next rung up the ladder.

Warren:

this followed your Ferraro statement

"Anyways, I know you think such tactics are the only way to win."

so then what did you mean?

Wendy:

And I don't associate the comments to HRC. But I do associate her with the tone of her campaign and her supporters.

I think the arguments people are making on behalf of Ferraro - are the same arguments that the GOP uses against affirmative action for minorites, including women and gays.

HRC is not making those arguments - but she has millions of "Democrats" making them - and I think it is unfortunate (just to win an election that she has almost no real chance of winning).

If she would have used these scorched earth tactics back in the beginning - ended this thing on Feb. 5 - and began the healing process - that would have been at least a smart plan strategically.

But to use these tactics at the end as a last ditch attempt to turn things around - so that either Democratic nominee will limp into the general election (and about half of the Democratic party will be pissed off) - is stupid.

"He can change Washington by staying in one job long enough to do it for a while before running for the next rung up the ladder."

hear! hear!

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Wait...so Hillary has MILLIONS of DEMOCRATS making WHAT ARGUMENT? WHAT ARGUMENT?

And let me tell you . . . I'm on her mailing list and I didn't get any memo about any argument i'm supposed to make.

You're not making sense.

"I am still REALLY MAD about all the GARBAGE over Geraldine and the race baiting crapola. Especially angry over the lemming Keith O. "

Absolutely agree, Carolina. First of all, as I posted earlier, Obama has himself said that his race set him aside from other new Senators, helped get him a book deal and a lot of press. And MANy in the ress have talked ad nauseum about how fantastic it would be to "put a new face on America" for the world to see....about what a statement it would make to have a black president.

I've even heard speculation by various chatterers about whether a woman's face representing America would be as effective as a black face, especially with his name. And yes, they were pointing out his name. And I understand, though do not agree with, what was being said.

So WHAT is the furor about???

Wendy:

Don't you want to stay in touch with me?

; )

Oh for heaven's sakes, Wendy and Jamie Obama campaign did not need to do a Lexis/Nexis search. The internet being what it is, somebody probably saw the article, blogged about it or told someone volunteering for or connected to the campaign.

Why do you think it was a Lexis/Nexis search?

Jamie: "This was a completely blatant attack by the Obama campaign on Geraldine Ferraro and the Clinton campaign and the Media fell for it hook, line, and sinker."

Excuse me? Did the Obama campaign commandeer Mrs. Ferraro's mouth and make her spout those sentences?

You guys are losing it!

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