Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

First, eat my shorts.

Where is Katherine Harris when we need her?

I don't understand why they can't do this mail-in vote.

Craig I'm curious as to why you always use the Rodham when referring to Senator Clinton and no one else's middle name.

Appears to me that neither of the two want to do the all mail-in re-vote, but take their chances with a credentials comm fight.

Looks like we're going to get to witness an old fashioned
convention.

"Craig I'm curious as to why you always use the Rodham when referring to Senator Clinton and no one else's middle name. -- Posted by: Brian Hussein In NYC "

we use the Associated Press style book at CQ, Brian, and that is AP style. I don't know why it's AP style, I just follow the rules

Thanks for the reply Craig.

I think if Florida out of hand rejects a mail in vote I doubt the florida delegation will be seated at all. I frankly don't have a problem with this and I don't buy into this notion that this means the state goes GOP in the general.

Dog's Eye

"Why do you think it was a Lexis/Nexis search? "

I suppose because Geraldine Ferraro named the two women on Sen. Obama's staff who got the info and then schlepped it around town to every news drop in the nation. I suppose she could have been lying but I haven't heard any denials from the women named whom she said she knew well from years of political activity.

As to what she said. It came after all of the other criteria she named that he possessed. He knows he was given access that he might not have had if publishers and political operatives didn't see something they could promote to the benefit of the party.

His heritage is one positive aspect of a group of things that could be noted as contributing to his success. What is so wrong about saying it?

here's more on the AP Style book by the way:
http://www.apstylebook.com/

seems like i remember a discussion with an editor about this and the rule is that we identify members of Congress according to the official names they use. Hillary uses her middle name in the congressional listings, but Obama and McCain do not

Jamie still waiting for you to post all those the anti women and anti working class statements you claim Obama has made.

Makes sense, thanks Craig.

Jamie: I do not watch cable news and have no idea about the "2 women on Obama staff." Could you plz provide a link? Thank you.

"I don't understand why they can't do this mail-in vote."

Because trotting out a NEW voting process in FL - of all places - in one of the most hotly contested races in recent memory - is a recipe for litigation.

They need a bulletproof plan - that has the buy-in (at least at the start) of BOTH campaigns.

Don't hold your breath dog for the links.

Amazing to see what has happened to Bill Clinton's popularity ratings recently.

Many in crowd awed by Clinton
By DAN DiPAOLO
Daily American 30 North Chief
Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:35 AM EDT

JOHNSTOWN - More than 1,600 people lined up and waited in near freezing temperatures to see former President Bill Clinton at the Greater Johnstown Area High School Wednesday afternoon.

With a 3 p.m. start time scheduled for the event, many showed up hours early to make sure they would find room in the gymnasium and be able to see the popular politician campaign for his wife, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
Chuck Sponsky drove down from Ebensburg in order to see Bill Clinton for the second time in his life. Sponsky arrived at 10:30 a.m. and waited more than four hours to gain entrance. “I saw him at his inauguration. I'm a long-time Clinton supporter,” he said.

Bill Clinton......he's been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet, a pawn and a king.......he's been up and down and over and out, but I know one thing......each time he finds himself flat on his face, he gets himself up and gets back in the race........

That may be wishful thinking sturg! I think we are coming to the end of the Clinton era.

when god closes a door he opens a window....?

LOL @ strug!

I dont think I'd be counting out any clintons, though.....not just yet....

not that it matters to me, of course......

Dog's Eye

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLI0kOEFyfQ

Here is one interview. There are several. SHe mentions and compliments Axlerod in this one.

Here are several sites for all aspects of the furor.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS211US212&q=Geraldine+Ferraro+interview

The MSNBC political director just came on and said "Of course the Obama staff is playing the race card". If you want to fault the Clinton campaign for not handling these attacks well, fine. If you want to absolve Obama for things done in his name by Axelrod, find. But you can't say it isn't being done.

Obama's playing the race card and Clinton is playing the gender card - and each campaign would be stupid not to (of course it is HOW you play that is important).

But the real story is that Obama is winning and HRC is losing.

Winning depends on message and connecting with the voters - and this is what Hillary and her campaign need to focus on if they want to start winning.

"Hillary uses her middle name in the congressional listings"

Isn't Rodham her maiden name? I believe middle name is Diane. Technically...this is a hyphenated last name.

Nasty divisive campaigning
The Obama School of New Politics
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Obama_backer_Clinton_lies_and_stolen_election.html

Jamie,

I'm sitting within earshot the tv and heard the same comments by Chuck T . You got an accurate paraphrase of most of his
reply, but the gist of what he said clearly are suggest both sides are guilty of playing the race card, 'however you define that", he said. .

Jamie: thanks for the links, but what I'd asked for was why you and Wendy thought the original Ferraro interview came up in an Obama campaign Nexis/Lexis search.

Where did that story get started?

"thought the original Ferraro interview came up in an Obama campaign Nexis/Lexis search"

Please don't be naive, as you know it is called opposition research. Everybody does it

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23590166/

Interview with Ferraro and Curry
"Obama campaign started it reference"

It was mentioned by Ferraro in one interview and she named the women. I can't find it. There was another mention on the news in passing today about how the Obama campaign knew about the Daily Breeze.

If you work on campaigns you know about the daily research done to find any and every newspaper or periodical or legal mention of your candidate. Lexis/Nexis is how those searches are done. Think of them as Google for publishers.

The Daily Breeze is hardly the New York Times. You have to go hunting specifically for anything in it as it is not likely to be part of daily reading by someone who would immediately leap on the name Ferraro and report it to the campaign.

I'm absolutely sure that this was one of the possible ways the Clinton campaign knew within 24 hours about Power making remarks to The Scotsman. Now I read the Scotsman on line a few times a week, but I hardly think it is on most people's reading list.

"Rodham" is not her middle name, it is her maiden name.

The styling is akin to that used in, for instance, mentions of Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy (later Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis).

It gives a nod of recognition to accomplishments realized under a previous name.

Oh no - disillus... dem is back.

Btw buddy - you are not the first person to call me ignorant!!

(I am outta here for a bit - gotta go walk the dog - but I will be back)

Hillary had accomplishments before she married Bill? I mean other than being a Goldwater Girl.

Wendy...Many women drop the use of their middle name after marriage, and use their maiden name as their middle name. I did...and do.

Here's the deal, though. You two stated very assertively that this story had been found by the Obama campaign and shopped around.

In this day of "teh internets", I do not find that to be the only possible explanation.

Relevant paragraph from "missing link's" msnbc link (it's from an AP story):

" ...The controversy began when the national media picked up on comments Ferraro made in an interview last week with the Daily Breeze newspaper in Torrance, Calif.: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."
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People: is there any chance that a lot of people are responding to Obama because he provides a positive message of bringing us together as Americans first to solve our problems together?

This peeling Americans apart by gender and racial politics has got to stop.

Craig wrote, "here's more on the AP Style book by the way:
http://www.apstylebook.com/"

I still have nightmares about Turabian, and my adherence thereto.

"Btw buddy - you are not the first person to call me ignorant!!"

If I called you ignorant it is because you were.

Dog Hussien Dog is not ignorant from what little I have seen of him. I doubt if he is naive either. Which begs the question, what is he?

i wouldnt count clinton out yet either .......the video of obama;s pastor that ABC broke may change this whole race

Jamie...

The clip where Ferraro names names is the MSNBC link to an Ann Curry interview, right above your post seeking same.

God I love how cancer survivors aren't afraid of anything and are not to be cowed. You can just see it in the look in her eyes.

Please listen to the interview with Ferraro and Curry.
It states very clearly what happened.

Race.

A few years ago we were having a dining room table discussion about race. My son-in-law, who is now 50, said it wasn't so significant.

I asked him, "Would you rather be black and the secretary-of-state, or white and the route salesman that you are?"

He thought about it for a while and said, "Thanks, that helps me understand."

Dog's Eye

"The controversy began when the national media picked up on comments Ferraro made in an interview last week with the Daily Breeze newspaper in Torrance, Calif"

Do you really believe that this story from a fairly obscure California newspaper hit all of the networks and newspapers all at the same time and hour as if by divine intervention?

You've got three choices: God wanted everyone to know how mean Ferraro was to Obama, Every news outlet in the country has someone on staff who reads The Daily Breeze, or someone sent them the story.

Now who had the most vested interest in making sure that this story got the widest distribution possible with the most negative spin?

Slate article on Ferraro uproar

http://www.slate.com/id/2186324

"Now who had the most vested interest in making sure that this story got the widest distribution possible with the most negative spin?"

It is my understanding the story started on dailykos.

Which doesn't answer your question but does deflect some of your accusation.

"Which doesn't answer your question but does deflect some of your accusation"

Upon reflextion maybe not, a blog full of devoted fanatics is a great place to start nasty rumors

"It is my understanding the story started on dailykos."

That's where i picked it up and posted here on monday afternoon.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/10/144252/803/258/473658

Jamie: re your 4:25 p post:

do YOU believe that's the timeline?

Because I sure don't. These kinds of stories are viral. More likely somebody local saw the Breeze story, thought "whoa there", and emailed the link to some associates. It then hit a blog or two and spiraled through teh internets.

And about a day after the Breeze story was circulating through the blogosphere, someone did indeed conduct a Lexis Nexis search and put up a Washington Post story about Geraldine Ferraro and Jesse Jackson. (That part makes great sense to me, because the WaPost's archives are not as user friendly as the NYTimes, and are not free.)

That might be where you encountered the LexNex reference.

re the Slate item you put up: It's Mickey Kaus, talking in circles. He is a contrarian. In fairness, he seems to have it in for all the campaigns.

Go back and listen to the Curry interview. This was an Axelrod hit job carried off spectacularly. In the interests of his client he assaulted a woman who's personal strength and contributions to the party are almost legendary. Lee Atwater and Karl Rove would have been so proud of him.

Axelrod and his staff did what they are supposed to do, but it is really disgusting that Saint Barack is above it all with his "new" kind of campaign.

kos is a BO supporter but not in his campaign.His blog reflects the breeze original article.

How is it that Sen. Clinton "lost" Eliot Spitzer as a superdelegate? I mean, I know he resigned, but does that mean that "superdelegate" status simply evaporates? Or does it transfer to someone else (like the incoming Gov. Paterson)?

If Obama was a white man,
He would be Mike Huckabee, without the experience.

Halleluyah

With over 90% of the black vote going to the estimable BO it is not surprising to see the Hillary campaign mired in racism charges because Ferraro spoke candidly and truthfully. The truth won't set you free if your a Hillary supporter it falls under the weight of racial correctness and BO supreme agenda. Obama's Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright's "God Damn America", is ushering in a new era of civility amongst the BO supporters as is his diatribes of anti semitic banter will uplift us all and will I hope bring us closer together.

Halleluyah

I thought Lex/Nex reference was about a similar 1988 Jesse Jackson slight she made and KO mentioned in his SC
it's all jumbled in my feeble mind.:)

Yes I do. The actual speech was made on Feb. 28th,five days before the Ohio and Texas primaries. The article ran in the paper on March 7.

So it got from the newspaper on March 7 to every major network , radio station, and influential blog in the country in 48 hours?

You don't do that without a whole lot of help.

Harborwoman,

I'm glad you addressed the maiden name - middle name question with Wendy. I had written an answer, but it can be done much more succinctly by a woman.

Mary,

The governor and the lieutenant Governor are both Super Delegates. Once he ceased to be governor, he lost his super delegate status. That's a minus one for Hillary.

Now if someone gets appointed Lieutenant Governor in time for the convention (not sure about NY rules on this), they they would be an SD. I don't know if Patterson has endorsed anyone.

"I don't know if Patterson has endorsed anyone".

He was standing behind her during MLK day speech in Harlem if that helps..lol

From Tuesday afternoon, March 11 NBC News First Read: item in its entirety, since it's short:

From NBC's David Gelles
I just spoke to reporter Jim Farber, who wrote the Ferraro story for the "Daily Breeze" of Torrance, Calif. He told me the Ferraro interview took place on Feb. 28th, five days before the Ohio and Texas primaries. The article ran in the paper on March 7th.

But it's important to remember that Ferraro made her comments at the time when many thought the Clinton campaign was about to go under.

The article ran with the headline, "Geraldine Ferraro lets her emotions do the talking."

This is the quote the campaigns are fighting over:

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she continued. "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept." Ferraro does not buy the notion of Obama as the great reconciler.

Farber says the parentheses "(of any color)" is a direct quote.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/11/756868.aspx

Rez -- about "Kos" -- Kos is a site run by condescending pricks dripping with dreams of political power.

I read them for a long time....until I watched that smug little Markos Moulitsas on a show and realized he was at best a poseur and at worst a complete jackass. He's not even a real liberal.

If Obama were a white man he would be John Edwards, or (Chris Dodd or Joe Biden although with a lot less experience.)

dog, Ferraro said last night on fox that when you search the word obama you get any and all references to that name. She said that is what his campaign does look for trouble and then creates more trouble.
He is sick and I don't understand why people do not see it.
Also I would like to know about this ABC that was about his pastor?
As far as I am concern Ferraro simply made a statement about blacks and women.. Gee I did not see any women being upset about her comment.
Obama is using the race card and only HIM.
He is running scare with PA and Ind. and KY coming up.

Good Lord, I just watched the entire Olbermann "special comment" just to make sure I wasn't dreaming when I saw it last night.

It's even more ridiculous-sounding a full day later, if you can believe that.

Patsi,
I'm not dailykos nut and would tend to agree with you since I have more knowledge about them other than occasionally seeing MM on TV. I pick up the same vibes about him as you. I stop in there more out of habit than looking for info since I used visit more often too. ;)

i definitely not promoting it/him.

Carol,

Tis true, tis pity

edit: I'm NOT a dailykos nut and would tend to agree with you since I have NO more knowledge about them other than occasionally seeing MM on TV.

Rez -- Yeah, like you I suspect, my bullshit rader starts to go off when I read a lot of the self-appointed arbiters of political taste in blogland, no matter who they support and for what.

Name meanings:

Barry (Obama): "Marksman" Gender: Male Origin: Celtic/Gaelic
Barack (Obama): The meaning of the name Barack is Blessed
The origin of the name Barack is African
Info on this name: Form of the Hebrew name Baruch.
Hussein: (Barack Obama): The meaning of the name Hussein is "Handsome One"
The origin of the name Hussein is Arabic

Hillary Clinton: The meaning of the name Hillary is "Cheerful"
The origin of the name Hillary is Greek
Info on this name: Sir Edmund Hillary, the first to climb Mt. Everest. Hillary Rodham Clinton, politician.
Diane (Hillary Clinton) :
The meaning of the name Diane is Divine
The origin of the name Diane is French

John (McCain): The meaning of the name John is "God Is Gracious"
The origin of the name John is Hebrew
Info on this name: John F. Kennedy, 35th U.S. President. John Travolta, actor.
Sidney (John McCain): The meaning of the name Sidney is Contraction Of St. Denys
The origin of the name Sidney is French

As you can see, the nomination process itself is boring me, but I like to look up name meanings... I submit for your enjoyment.

Well to our good friends GORDO , Maxtrue and other Repug supporters of JMc I suggested you read Phil Izzo's article in today's WSJ.
The Repug leaning WSJ is acknowledging that we are in a recession that will be deep NOT shallow.
As I blogged previously we have to look a the recession of mis 1981 to 1983 to see the similarities and even then this one is far more complex.
I suspect that many Repug incumbents will be announcing their retirements from the House and Senate.
To the disillusioned Repugs I say the Dems welcome you with open arms.
Let us join together with HRC in this cycle and restore the great land .
At the end of her first term we can all say one good term deserves another.

Patsi- They obviously have a lot of time and money (well funded), so better they run down the 'news' than me.

And if Corey is around, here is the meaning of our middle name:

MITCHELL: The meaning of the name Mitchell is "Who Is Like God?"
The origin of the name Mitchell is American
Info on this name: Form of Michael.

OK EuroTom: you must look up Craig and Crawford next.

OK EuroTom: you must look up Craig and Crawford next.

Posted by: dog hussein dog | March 13, 2008 5:42 PM

Ok: Craig: The meaning of the name Craig is From The Crag
The origin of the name Craig is Scottish
Info on this name: Craig Kilborn, Talk show host. Jenny Craig, diet maven.

Crawford (Craig): The meaning of the name Crawford is From The Crow Ford
The origin of the name Crawford is English
Info on this name: Scottish placename

nighty night!!!

Jamie:

"The Daily Breeze is hardly the New York Times. You have to go hunting specifically for anything in it as it is not likely to be part of daily reading by someone who would immediately leap on the name Ferraro and report it to the campaign."

First of all - I would see nothing wrong with any campaign using Lexis. It is a smart and efficient way to search the news (especially if you don't want to read it - and are instead just looking for ammo).

But I don't think its a forgone conclusion for the following reason: Obama has supporters all over the country - and I am sure at least a few read the Daily Breeze. And with the grassroots operation he has built - people - like me - are willing to do whatever we can to help out the campaign. Barack is great at getting a lot of people involved.

You all worry about his experience - but you need to understand that Barack Obama is not an arrogant jack ass like George W. Bush. He is basically the complete opposite.

Born into a broken home - born into dynasty. Grew up all over the World - grew up in the center of the GOP. Went to law school and taught constutional law. Went to B-School (likely based on connections) and thinks the Constitution can be ignored or changed if it becomes inconvenient (especially for reasons based on politics - not National Security).

A contemplative, hard-working, smart politician - that surrounds himself with the best ideas and the best people. One willing to grow and evolve as he leads - rather than arrogantly following an unflinching plan laid down by his cronies.

You hate Bush. And there are a lot of Republicans that hate Hillary. That bitterness to colleagues - who are doing the people's business - is counter-fucking productive!!

You can point out a lot of flaws with Obama - as you can with anyone who puts themself out on that stage - but he represents the best way forward to not just turn the page on the Bush Era - but to start a new freaking chapter.

* * *

And since it is a nice day here in the city - how bout some tunes (and a beer):

Don't pass this around too much - cause it will be overplayed as it is (MoJo's theme song no doubt - but there can be a modern remake that can be dropped like a week before the general - the GOP won't know what hit them!!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3vxEudif8&feature=related

Shhhh!!

And as always, for the Clinton supporters (this is a great song!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkVGClqrT4

Si Se Puede!

Warren

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJtgEfIla0A&feature=related

Usted no puede hacerme

A senior Obama strategist, David Axelrod, acknowledged that he is receiving varied advice from Democrats, including changing Obama's stump speech to emphasize his American roots and pushing for a second round of changes in the nation's welfare laws, this time aimed at stray fathers.

The campaign's casual response to the Goolsbee episode seemed to assume a presumption of innocence that does not exist for politicians. A story that could have been dealt with the day it broke on Canadian television was instead handled carelessly. Obama said he was told that the story was untrue, but later it became clear that a meeting had taken place, and Clinton seized on the contradiction to portray her opponent as a liar.

"That was the information I had at the time," Obama pleaded on Monday

Making adjustments is something all campaigns do. But this is not the situation that Obama's aides hoped they would be in. Axelrod acknowledged that fatigue is setting in. "There's a weariness," he said. "We're in the 27th inning of a nine-inning game."

Washington Post Staff writers Peter Slevin, Michael D. Shear, and Alec MacGillis contributed to this report.

God Jamie and Pat Buchanan are now using the same talking points, birds of a feather?

KGC

"changes in the nation's welfare laws, this time aimed at stray fathers."

But that would be an issue. Does he do issues?

Brian,

I will speak to you this once. Look for an email from Sheila. Now never speak to me again in any way shape or form unless it is preceded by one hell of an apology, because you owe me a major one.

Jamie

It only says they are getting advice not necessarily taking the advice. It will be interesting to see if he does change his stump speech.

"Good Lord, I just watched the entire Olbermann "special comment" just to make sure I wasn't dreaming when I saw it last night.

It's even more ridiculous-sounding a full day later, if you can believe that"

Being on the recieving end of a left wing full force smear attack is a bitch isn't it. Go over and talk to Arlen Spector maybe you will get a little sympathy

Jamie

I was taken with the last part where Axelrod admits the game is tied and both sides thought they would have wrapped it up by now. "the 27th inning,."

Pasti:

"Yeah, like you I suspect, my bullshit rader starts to go off when I read a lot of the self-appointed arbiters of political taste in blogland, no matter who they support and for what."

I am curious if you count yourself in this category?

DisDem,

Think you missed the point of my post. Olbermann's special comment wasn't so much an attack as it was a personal meltdown on national TV. He was the only victim. I don't think anyone but he, his closest friends and loved ones need any sympathy right now.

KGC:

"I was taken with the last part where Axelrod admits the game is tied and both sides thought they would have wrapped it up by now. "the 27th inning,.""

He is being gracious (which I know may sound like a foreign concept to you - but it can be quite effective)

"I was taken with the last part where Axelrod admits the game is tied and both sides thought they would have wrapped it up by now. "the 27th inning,.""

So they think they are losing.
It would explain the strange use of racial politics.

It is a better theory then this mornings, "they must be f88king stupid "

Warren

"He is being gracious (which I know may sound like a foreign concept to you - but it can be quite effective"

Pot meet Kettle

And in the context of the article...not really. What are you going to do when Obama loses?

Craig I finally got to seeing your piece from Morning Joe today (for some reason the link to the clip wasn't working earlier) on youtube. I didn't seeing your use of the term "swift boating liberals" to be offensive but what I found to be odd was how you skipped over Joe's charge about the attitude a lot of white women have towards Obama. Made me think Joe is one of the lurkers on the blog. There is a very shrill tone being directed at Obama by older white females supporting Hillary. I'm curious why you ducked this issue (other than you're worried you won't have any of your regulars bloggers anymore :) ).

Mary K-N and Jamie,

The Albany area newspapers are telling us that the State Constitution appears to leave the Lt. Governor's seat empty. David Paterson will be sworn in as Governor on Monday and there will be no Lt. Governor until the next gubernatorial election.

Joseph L. (Joe) Bruno is the Republican majority leader in the State Senate, and it will fall to him to handle the cermonial duties of the Lieutenant Governor without acceding to that position. There is some discussion that Bruno might get two votes if a piece of legislation ends in a tie. Nothing against Mr. Bruno, but I hope that's not the case. There's just something unseemly about any legislator in a bicameral body having an extra vote.

Anyway, since we won't have a lieutenant governor, it appears New York will lose one super-delegate. Governor Paterson has been a strong Hillary supporter and everything I've read in the past few days, seems to indicate that support will continue.

Yes...I think it would be fair to say you are "losing" your bid to become President of the United States when video of your spiritual advisor shouting "God Damn America" is suddenly in wide circulation.

Yes, indeed, I would think that is not a good thing for a man who wants to be President of the United States.

OK guys, there is a real factual problem with the Ferraro interview with Ann Curry you directed me to.

Oddly enough, it recurs in today’s NYTimes article as well. Ferraro herself appears confused about the timeline of events.

Curry interview from last night, about a minute in: Mrs. Ferraro (GAF) responds that she did not even give the interview, that she spoke to about 350 people at a public event and she infers that the reporter took an answer she gave and wrote it up as an interview.

However, the offending quote in its entirety was published online last Friday, March 7 in an LA local publication, the Daily Breeze, in advance of last Sunday’s scheduled [March 9] Ferraro speech in Torrance, CA.

from initial Daily Breeze story, published Friday, March 7: Geraldine Ferraro Lets Her Emotions Do the Talking

“ …An outspoken advocate for women's issues and a staunch supporter of presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton, Ferraro will offer her views on the state of the nation and the race for the White House at 7 p.m. Sunday [March 9] at the Armstrong Theatre in Torrance. The program is part of the American Perspectives series.

Speaking by phone from her New York law office, the 72-year-old former Democratic congresswoman outlined the themes that will dominate her talk.

…When the subject turned to Obama, Clinton's rival for the Democratic Party nomination, Ferraro's comments took on a decidedly bitter edge.

'… "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she continued. "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept." Ferraro does not buy the notion of Obama as the great reconciler.
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From NYTimes today, Joyce Purnick on interview yesterday with GAF:

“…Ms. Ferraro made the comments that touched off the latest exchange of Democratic brickbats after she gave a paid speech last week to the Torrance Cultural Center in Torrance, Calif. The Daily Breeze, a newspaper in Torrance, reported that she said: “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”
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HOWEVER, ATTENTION NEW YORK TIMES: the Daily Breeze published the quote from GAF BEFORE the paid speech in Torrance. Further, the reporter interviewed GAF over the phone from NYC at the end of February.

NBC First Look item from Tuesday afternoon, March 11, by reporter David Gelles: I just spoke to reporter Jim Farber, who wrote the Ferraro story for the "Daily Breeze" of Torrance, Calif. He told me the Ferraro interview took place on Feb. 28th, five days before the Ohio and Texas primaries. The article ran in the paper on March 7th.
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Is it that hard for the MSM to do some factchecking and get their ducks in a row?

And it’s sad that GAF launches these assertions without facts. Of course Susan Rice and Jan (Tukasi?? didn’t catch name) responded on behalf of the Obama campaign. But they did not shop the story around. It was out there.

http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8489268?source=rss_viewed

Lardass-"Liberal":

Let's play a game.

If I showed you the following post 3 months ago:

"DisDem,

Think you missed the point of my post. Olbermann's special comment wasn't so much an attack as it was a personal meltdown on national TV. He was the only victim. I don't think anyone but he, his closest friends and loved ones need any sympathy right now."

Would you guess it was written by:

A. McCain Supporter
B. Clinton Supporter
C. None of the above

(now we know (C) is off the table ; )

“Hillary had accomplishments before she married Bill? I mean other than being a Goldwater Girl. “

Good one Brian. I wondered WHEN that would come up. Yes, she was just one of those little ole poor girl Democrats who had to work for everything she got. If you believe that you will believe anything, but then most of her supporters DO.

“dog, Ferraro said last night on fox” [actually, it’s referred to as faux]

God, woman, that is your problem. For a moment I started to think you listened to a “news” program. Not a theatrical performance.

“A senior Obama strategist, David Axelrod, acknowledged that he is receiving varied advice from Democrats, including changing Obama's stump speech to emphasize his American roots and pushing for a second round of changes in the nation's welfare laws, this time aimed at stray fathers.”

KGC, that story is at least a week old, but then you were probably reading about Hill-Bill’s strategy of the “kitchen sink” at the time. We Obama supporters want his stump speech changed, and we don’t want the kitchen sink…just the truth. If he were what most of you Clinton supporters think he is, he could throw out a lot to damage her and she knows it as well. But, he is better than she is.

And, for those who think the fabulous KO’s commentary last night was…well, something, you should have heard the one he gave for Bush on the 5th anniversary of 9/11. It was fantastic.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pdD6op0l2jk

gracious and Axelrod ???

Warren ,

no lawyer would put those two words together, at least not with a straight face.

What do you really do?

Not sure to what you refer there, brian. Didn't purposely duck anything that I know of, sometimes on those remotes with 3 co-hosts chattering in the background you're not always sure what's being asked

Dog...while you're busy splitting microscopic hairs over supposed inconsistencies in the Ferraro-is-a-racist timeline, the other side will be opening up a wig factory with all the raw materials Jeremiah Wright has provided.

I hope David Patterson voters for Obama as a Superdelegate.

Most likely will - just like every other Superdelegate that made his or her mind up after the primary race got going and Obama started winning (even the 21 year-old that Chelsea couldn't convince - heck I bet Bill even gave the kid a call and put a little pressure on him - imagine that). Anyways, Patterson would also face some serious heat if he sticks with Clinton.

The only Superdelegates are the ones who were in the Clintons' pocket at the start of this thing (and the remaining ones they have stashed away if are still calling themselves "undeclared").

Any more word on which way Richardson or Edwards are leaning - I think they are the only endorsements left of any significance (we can save Gore for the general election).

"We Obama supporters want his stump speech changed, and we don’t want the kitchen sink…just the trut" Karlolenna

And what is that?

Warren. I've got a better idea than playing your game. Let's just take ballpeen hammers and drive 16-penny nails into each other's heads. It would make more sense than your post. ;)

No thanks Lardass - I am going drinking!

Lardass: no, that's a serious problem. The timeline is totally wrong, and it's wrong to say the Obama campaign was flacking the issue. Her whole argument on the Curry interview starts to fall apart once you think about the timeline.

GAF dived into that one herself, and the Clinton campaign let her go on and on through the current primary (Mississippi).

Obama does not have Rev. Wright out speaking for him. Mrs. Ferraro was a finance chair -- honorary or not -- and has been closely linked with Hillary.

Lardass: I jumped into this discussion because I'm tired of some people asserting that all controversies, racial or otherwise, hail from the Obama campaign.

That is so unfair.

And it usually goes uncorrected because so many of the Obama supporters have given up posting here, due to the frequent nastiness on this blog.

This very morning, Wendy! and EuroTom were opining they might drop off for a while. And they're not even Obama supporters!

Btw, LL: are you really "carrying too much weight" (that is how my Dr. puts it - hah!)

I got fat in college - and then gain weight again when they chained me to a desk. But I gotta get back in shape for FL (and walking Lucy helps....). I am looking to cut down some of my vices - and Obama message of change can be incorporated.

(I am sure the self-help books are forthcoming and will be on Oprah's book club.)

Don't forget your Fake ID.
:)

I certainly want the stump speech changed, it's time for a new one.

PS Lardass: I do not for a minute think Mrs. Ferraro is a racist.

By the way people - pretty much everything we have been talking about today will do us NO good for the general election.

Almost another day lost - good thing Obama was out taking on McCain on taxes.

Later locos.

Don't forget Lost tonight!!

LL:

I was almost gonna say:

"I wish!!"

But I actually enjoy growing up...

Dog...I hear where you're coming from now that you explained it. Maybe I missed the context upthread.

Warren...good luck with that game plan you described. And don't drink too much!

" Mrs. Ferraro was a finance chair "

member of the finance committee as long as we are striving for accuracy.

dog,

i think KGC &Jamie are up to speed on sequence of events.
If I recall correctly, GF gave a speech where she uttered her infamous lines. About 7-10 days later she gives a telephone interview to a reporter who was at speech and asked her about her comments, to which she basically repeated herself in the interview. Breeze published story and story was picked up a few days later and reprinted in more several recognized pubs/sources.
There's an email address for reporter in original article.

Warren,

I don't pretend to travel in David Paterson's circle, but he's going to be the Governor of New York, and Mrs. Clinton is our junior senator. I expect the man to vote his conscience, but I don't expect he'd have to face much heat if that conscience tells him to stick with the New Yorker.

Senator. Clinton beat Senator Obama by 17% in New York, so he'd have a defensible position.

Thanks KGC. I'd meant to doublecheck that one before submitting. But need to get dinner started!

Back in a few.

Rezdog: no, unless GAF has been spouting this particular line all over the place (and someone will look into that), the interview with Daily Breeze took place Feb. 28.

Published March 7.

Speech took place March 9.

Rezdog and dog

Dog H dog and Jamie and have the same sequence.
In the Ann Curry interview, Ferraro says she isn't sure of the source of the quote whether it was picked up at the speech (and she adds she assumes it is accurate) but doesn't credit the phone interview given before the speech. She took questions at the event. I assume she said the same thing there.

Brian,

I will speak to you this once. Look for an email from Sheila. Now never speak to me again in any way shape or form unless it is preceded by one hell of an apology, because you owe me a major one.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | March 13, 2008 6:20 PM

Calm down Jamie, I'm not a black man running for office, you don't have to get so excited.

very strange i commented citing story here last monday 3/10
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/momentum-no-more.html#comment-49967

dog,
sequence must be wrong look at my previous post

Rezdog

So do you remember where the link came from.
Or are you a regular reader of the Breeze. :)

This is great. You could be the key.

Someone earlier said they thought story started on Dkos

Brian, here's another Hint from Heloise: Don't call people "racists" lightly or just to make a rhetorical point. It's a pretty offensive allegation.

That's why I like how Ferraro is handling being in the hotseat right now. The idea of her being "racist" is so preposterous on its face that it just doesn't pass the smell test with most Americans. That's why Olbermann's manufactured outrage was so incredibly tone deaf last night. If Geraldine's a racist by his definition, then so are 99 percent of the people who were watching his commentary.

The idea that he dredged up a 20-year-old comment about Jesse Jackson as some sort of "smoking gun" was what really took the cake. Of COURSE Jesse Jackson wouldn't have been in the position he was in if he was white back in 1988. That is why he is known as a BLACK LEADER. To paint the simple statement of that fact as racist is totally through-the-looking-glass.

Rez and dog

I don't think your post and dog's sequence contradict.
You posted on the 10th. The story posted on line the 7th and the speech was the 9th. The phone interview
was on 2/28.

Ferraro never saw the article and just assumed it was published after the speech.

Jamie seethes with an irrational contempt for the man, it's the only concussion I can draw.

We all have our typo problems here, but Brian admitting to a "concussion" is a moment of truth that is hard to ignore.

haha, yes that should read conclusion! But after reading many of jamie's vitriolic posts about Obama I do feel the need to take some asprin.

KGC: thanks.

However, the important point to me wasn't the timeline, it was that she made those remarks in a formal telephone interview, from her office (one of probably hundreds since February, I will grant you) and tried to pass the remark off as something she said in an informal Q&A after her speech that the reporter wrote up as an interview.

Agreed, an interview with the Daily Breeze (LAX to Long Beach is not as memorable as a call with the Financial Times.

But it was the way she handled the question with Curry that got me wondering.

Dog...I think these are distinctions without differences. I think if you asked GAF the same question today, she would answer the same way. I think that's part of her point. She's not disavowing the statement in the least. Nor should she.

Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

"Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."

Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4443788&page=1

(Wonder why this info is just now reaching the mainstream? I knew about it a long time ago.)

Well yeah. We all have eyes. Obama has a black father. Hillary is a woman.

But I think GAF's point was to disparage Obama for getting a free ride because he is black.

Rather than say that he's gaining traction because he is an agent of change and speaks to people's hopes rather than fears.

Get after him for his identity, rather than deal with his message. (And there: just get the word out that there isn't one! And his followers are cultists.)

dog
I think she didn't remember about the phone interview.
After all this was a business appearance, a paid speech and the article mirrored the speech and the q and a after.

But I do think when you add in circulating the 1988 remark, that's not just viral.

Not that this is an excuse but she does have a rather severe regime of cancer drugs.

*whispers in Gordo's ear "you know he won't wear a flag lapel pin either"*

Gordo...maybe it's because you live and surf on the bank of a creek feeding into a rivulet that is the source of a stream that combines with a dozen others just like it into an obscure tributary that is, like, 10 million miles from the nearest mainstream.

Just a theory. :)

You guys and gals, should all just pour yourselves a drink, or pack a bowl... the media is picking the next President, not you, or you over there....relax.....don't worry, be happy!

It will be over before you know it....

There may be some side effects, that include : (fill in the blank)

"Grew up all over the World ""

Born Hawaii. early years in Indonesia. Most of teen years back in Hawaii School in NY and MA. Lives in Illinois. Made one trip to meet family in Africa. Not exactly a world traveling gypsy.

Jamie you don't have to go out of your way to prove my point.

The Rev. Wright "stuff" is the sort of thing I have been warning about - there are more and harder "hits" on the way. They will make the Rev seem mild!

March13...that post is scary. It's like one of those drug commercials that promise you a lifetime of sexual bliss as long as you're willing to deal with the side effects of "constipation, heart attack, liver malfunction, kidney shutdown and, in some rare instances, permanent brain damage or tiny aliens hatching out of your chest cavity."

I love those commercials. They always make me laugh.

LL,
ever catch the ones that say "death" could be a side effect....that's rich...we're selling you this to feel better but there just a small hitch....

" Don't call people "racists" lightly or just to make a rhetorical point. It's a pretty offensive allegation"

Thank you LL. The idiot in our midst who likes to throw bombs just to watch the bang doesn't know anything about me. He is so totally off base that he might as well be on the moon. It's not only false and offensive, it is personally painful.

I think that is exactly how GF feels.

KGC: for mentioning GAF and the cancer drugs: that's what I think too.

And am so grateful she is still with us.

Now, as to whether I want her to be deliriously happy with November 2008 election results.

Uh, nope.

I always giggle at the part, "May cause blindness'

Automatically think, "See you mother was right about what happens if you do that"

I'm sure GF is feeling swelled with self righteous indignation. Just like the rest of the older white woman who are being talked about so much lately. They treat Obama like a thief in the night instead of a serious contender for the White House. Some how he is lucky to be where he is, that his place in the sun is illegitimate. And Jamie if what I've said is personaly painful to you, good, it should be.

What happens at 3 hour and 59 minute, is that still Ok????
Sorry I have always wondered about that.

March...yeah...now that you mention it, I think I did see one with the "death" side effect. It was in the voice over just as the beautiful couple was walking barefoot down the gorgeous beach right before going indoors to have incredible sex....or DIE TRYING!!!

Which reminds me of another goofy thing from commercials like that. I think it might be the Cialis commercials that have various romantic settings for "His-n-Her" outdoor bathtubs, fully plumbed with running water. Can you imagine that such a setup exists anywhere in reality? My questions include:

1. Who would want to get in a His-and-Her bathtub taht has been installed at the end of a long, rickety boat dock when one could just jump in the lake?

2. How many times a year would one use said His and Her bathtubs, and would it really be worth the headache of maintaining the 100 yards of hot and cold plumbing and keeping them free of bugs, critters, and leaves year round? Not to mention winterizing issues?

3. Are His-and-Her outdoor bathtubs even really that sexy? Maybe if you're Rob and Laura Petrie. But if you're anyone else, isn't the whole point of Cialis and other such drugs getting into the SAME bathtub as your beloved?

I'm sure there are other inconsistencies that I can't quite put my finger on right now.

god damn the whitewoman for having an opinion

Jamie...you're most welcome.

dog

I thought Craig Crawford was right on when said, anyone who is connected to a campaigned should be mirandized.

The campaigns seem to take turns being Lucy and Charlie Brown.

Brian...hang in there. The nurses are on their way to turn you now. And they can give you some yummy Tapioca pudding if you want.

you are so right LL....

I do not even begin to understand the 2 Separate claw foot tubs....I have even asked people what does that mean? - like I have no idea.

and the umbrella, ????

March13...just accept the reality of those lazy guitar riffs and move on. It's SEXXXXXXYYYY!!!!

ferroro is just the latest victim of obama biased media witchhunt'

lol lol

Obama has a lot of huntin' to do, there is more where that came from....

I love tapioca, large pearl, not that Minute Tapioca crap which should only be used when making a cherry pie.

"It's not only false and offensive, it is personally painful."

Jamie, don't let anything Brian Hannity in NYC says bother you. He just comes on here to jerk himself off in a public forum.

Obama's forgotten people

"This breaks my heart. I was thrilled to see Obama elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004 and to be sworn into that select group of 100 in 2005. I was excited to know that a bright, highly educated, charismatic man would serve his state of Illinois and the American people. I was happy — and followed his new Senate career with hopeful interest — until I began to research his history and found out that he ignored the plight of Chicago’s poorest and most desperate. It was a "deal breaker" for me ..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP-YoB5mnZs

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

BTW kudos to Nancy for standing up to Bush on telco amnesty.

"Jamie, don't let anything Brian Hannity in NYC says bother you. He just comes on here to jerk himself off in a public forum."

Penis envy Patsi?

(insert snickering emoticon here)

Would that be with ? or without Cialis ?

March...nope, no Cialis required in that case. It's just dickweed. That grows anywhere.

"Would that be with ? or without Cialis ?"

Without, wanna see?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/florida-faces-conventioneve-de.html#comment-51725

Wanna bet? Cuz you got to be shi**ing me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O2SX2TkVec

"Jamie if what I've said is personaly painful to you, good, it should be. "

When you get back to your kennel I hope your mother bites you.

You are a cruel, vengeful and viscious man.

That Cialis spoof was awesome. Thanks March.

jesus kreist, date! I thought BORING until the damn elevator door got him !!! HAHAHAHAHA!

Dex...there's one guy who could never make it as a line worker in a Tyson's chicken factory.

March 13.

Loved it! Especially liked the girl who tripped while walking past.

Thank you.

Lardass Liberal : But what a model for sausage casings!

omg dex!!!

man...is THAT what that was I felt poking my seat back at the movies Saturday night?

Driving the car with it and hitting people in the head at the theater was hilariously understated.

and the fact that it was distributed by nationalbanana.com....

Does BHO still go to that church? Now that ABC News is picking up the story about BHO's pastor. Since anybody that says something that has any reference to race has to leave the campaign's should BHO say something about this guy.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

Daryl...

BHO now, rather sheepishly, refers to Wright as his "former pastor." So he's working hard to backpedal.

It'll be kind of hard to take the title off all those books he sold, though. ("Audacity of Hope" came from one of Wright's sermons or writings)