Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Pogo
As to your response to Zumper--

zumper, I don't think the independent votes shouldn't be considered intotal vote count. I would argue that Repug votes should not be considered when determining which candidate has the most votes, but from a practical standpoint, I don't see how you could accomplish that.

This may be a pretty out there suggestion, but since I remain really unhappy about the I's & reps votes contributing to the selection of a Democratic candidate how about something like this:

In the states where reps &/or i's are allowed to cross over to vote, further proportionately allocate the # of sd's in those states to reflect the % of r's & i's vs. % of registered dems voting.

I know, this will infuriate the obama supporters, but as a registered democrat, it really bothers me that this has happened. Again, I state, that democratic party members (who chose to be members) should be selecting their nominee.

Coreen, I don't have a problem with that asa long as repugs are excluded. My biggest concern is the repugs messing with our nominating process as opposed to independents participating in it. Who knows, maybe participationin the demprocesscould convince some of them to become RDs.

btw, did you see my last post to you on the last thread?

Pogo

Craig,
I think I understand your point and agree. One of the problems is that many of us who love the political system and follow closely have helped 24 hr news cycles become a big part of everyday life. COnsequently, the pundits, correspondents or whatever you chose to call them feel compelled to do and or say something. The need to be right has created the need to create events and then these people are right.

I liked it better when we could make up our limited minds and then let people report it and evaluate after the event, it was better when the commentators didn't help their predictions become reality.

Craig,
I think I understand your point and agree. One of the problems is that many of us who love the political system and follow closely have helped 24 hr news cycles become a big part of everyday life. COnsequently, the pundits, correspondents or whatever you chose to call them feel compelled to do and or say something. The need to be right has created the need to create events and then these people are right.

I liked it better when we could make up our limited minds and then let people report it and evaluate after the event, it was better when the commentators didn't help their predictions become reality.

Hi Coreen,

not a lawyer here. I would not be infuriated at all if the primes and the general were closed to those that were not registered to the particular party. Makes me furious that some jerk like Rush would ask his minion to toy with the Dems prime.

oh and btw, I am an BHO supporter but mostly I am a democrat and the idea is to elect a candidate to contest and win in the general

yo soy Hussien Horsedooty!

Sorry for duplicate, I acknowledge the comment wasn't that brilliant.

Susan Rice Says Obama Isn't Ready For 3 A.M. Phone Call

Sen. Obama’s top foreign policy advisor came right out and said :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TumIz2bajus

I agree with Hussein Horsedoody about keeping primaries to party you are registered in and his comment about Rush.

Difference is I am with Hillary til the last dog dies and I think we had a new litter of pups tuesday!

so craig - the current delegate split as estimated by the various media sources is just an estimate whose difference is about equal to the number of superdelegates who have not yet been selected? Sounds like we're in the cards flying into the air phase of a game of 52 card pickup and that any declaration of being ahead or behind by an insurmountable amountin the delegate count involves a bit of puffery.

I too favor closed primaries but it has to be coupled with the parties making a better effort to attract people.
As dog H dog has pointed out in the past, the fastest growing segment of registered voters are the independents (aka the declined to states.)

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Pogo I did see your response, somehow, I got caugt between (this is not my forum), I will respond later, need to get going office is 1/2 hour drive time.

Sir Horsedooty--So you know, I will support & vote for either Hillary or Obama. It is imperative that dems do not shoot themselves in the foot--This election was supposed to be one the dems "could not loose"

We all need to keep that in mind. The alternative will be a continuing disaster to us & the world.

elaine, not to worry - there's been a lot of duplicate posting going on here for the past day or two - I think cq needs to contact HP about getting a few new blades.

Elaine,

you don't have to call me Hussein Horsedooty! That is my full name. Most around here call me Dooty or Doots. Either will work Pogo bin agogo is too lazy to type Dooty or Doots and just types HD. All those work.

yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

elaine, LOL at the litter comment. All I can say is yup to the pups.

HD, I resemble that remark. LOL

Coreen as I stated to BlueMax last night, I too, intend to support which ever candidate is selected. I am a Yellow Dog Democrat.

yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Repost from last thread below.

Coreen...

I tried to once get everyone to stop bashing each others candidates with no success.

It kept getting worse and I stopped commenting on the candidates for awhile, however the constant innuendo about Obama being possibly corrupt or not honest was a smear attempt to damage him politically and what I felt was harmful to the Democratic Party.

So the exchange above since Patsi acted like I was either Zell Miller or Judas Lieberman. Something that I took great offense at as has others who have had her mock them as well for her replies to them.

I have already said that no one is going to change the other persons mind about their candidate and we shouldn't be bashing each others as it would be harmful to the party and possibly split the party come November.

A lot of commenters, some regular and new ones don't think that will happen, but it is a real possibility and should be taken very seriously.

Outside of that I have nothing further to say on the matter.

God Bless.

I have always been a loyal democrat, KGC, however, if the DNC does not clean up its act, I will join those independents. The system of a two step in Texas, a redo in my home state of FL, it is enough to say we have an antiquated system that needs hugh revisions including getting rid of Howard Dean.

FL democrats are hanging in the wind. They acted responsibly, although ignored by the candidates (except Obama whose little face and voice were in ads on cable, all over), we went to polls and voted for our choice.

Howard Dean and the DNC had no right to disenfranchise a whole sate because a GOV and Legislature of the opposite party did not obey. Give me a break!! They (the DNC made this mess by drawing the line in the sign with people (repugs) who had nothing to lose but create this crisis.

Talk about ego and stupidity, we have it in abundance!!!

Got it Dooty!

If I were master of the universe.

First I would eliminate the delegate system from the nominating process. Delegates should be selected by the state parties. They should decide party business and pick party leaders. The party often has interest and needs that conflict with the wants of the president. The party needs to be able to pursue a broader agenda.

Next, one person one vote, "keep it simple stupid"(KISS) I don't care if you caucus or have a primary. count the votes and send them in.

next, All primary votes count, no more beauty contests.

Jack

kgc...

"As dog H dog has pointed out in the past, the fastest growing segment of registered voters are the independents (aka the declined to states.)"

And one day we may see an Independent Party putting out a full slate of candidates for all elected offices, from local, state and federal.

Both parties have pissed off their party supporters and that should give both parties reason to think about doing the right thing for there supporters instead of taking them for granted.

I'm outta here til later.

Take care and ...

God Bless.

I went to Iowa and I was disappointed, not at the outcome, but because the process is not democratic. It disenfranchises, the elderly, handicapped homebound, and shift workers. It is antiquated and it minimizes one voter, one vote philosophy.

this is something that Will Rogers said a long time ago. Things don't seem to have improved any at all.

Will Rogers said, "I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

aaaaarrrrrgghhhh!
I hate it when I do a long post at the bottom of a thread.... and I have no idea how to repost from this ancient laptop.... so I will try to recreate it....

Pogo.... it's official.... I am a bonfide prune!
taking another chlorine break today.... going shopping at LaHouts....

I think those of you who say do a revote in Florida and Michigan have no real concept of how elections are actually paid for....

elections (and primaries) are paid for by tax payer money from each town and city..... they are part of a city's budget..... same as police or fire dept. budgets....

in these troubled financial times, I'd bet that most town and city budgets are the same as my hick town's..... cut to the bone to keep taxes down as much as possible.... because if they aren't... the voters will let you know what they think in the next local election....

so if your state is ordered to do a revote, and it's not paid for by the national party.... where does your city get the funds to hold another primary.... what must you cut in order to find the money..... the police department, the school budget, the rec. dept..... or maybe you just forgo repaving some roads or close the library for several days a week......

and if this happens in your town because of f**ked up democratic party rules.... would you be inclined to vote democratic come the general election....

I agree with Craig..... you can't really predict anything at this point..... but I'd bet money that if Florida and Michigan have to pay for another primary in order to get their delegates seated, you can kiss those state goodbye for the democrats come Novemeber....

elaine of tampa...

Howard Dean was right in one respect. You have to have a 50 state plan and the Democratic Party for years ignored most of the smaller states unless it was crucial to the election going on at that particular time.

Obama used the fifty state idea and look what it got him, more delegates Hillary. So you can't blame all this on him.

All candidates knew that by moving the primaries up would net them no delegates and they all agreed. Hillary thought she was a lock for the nomination and only brought this up when Obama gave her a run for her money, so to speak.

And yes it is screwed up and needs to be fixed. But like I posted awhile back, Bill Clinton won both the Primary and Caucus in Texas in both 92 and 96. I think he also won the Caucuses in all the other states that had them.

They only started complaining when Hillary wasn't doing well in them.

You can probably look up past election results to see if I'm right about Bill winning other state caucuses in 92 and 96 if you want, however I will not.

God Bless.

Craig--

Please shout these from every roof top across the land.

elaine, I envy your choice of venue:-) Spent a few days there last fall and love the place. And I completely agree with your take on caucuses and primaries. We have at both the nominating and election levels antiquated systems devised initially shortly after the demise of he dinosaurs, and long before even reliable mail service existed, to say nothing of opscan voting forms, computers, electronic data transmission of encrypted data files, and all the other things that make direct election not only possible, but practical. Of course being resistant to change from the debacle we know to the imagined disaster we don't know, we continue to cling to a system that doesn't work worth a damn because some high school puke hacked into the Pentagon's computers.

I trying to understand the basic arguments.

Without saying what's fair/unfair or what i like or don't, as I understand the basic rules, notwithstanding the pledged/bound issues;

1) candidates need to reach 2025 total delegates to be nominated,
2) this total comes from delegates awarded based upon primary and caucus voting, plus SDs.

Am i correct to this point? Anyone.

Thx

I have no problem with these rules .

I think BO is willing to live with these rules. Do you know where he said otherwise? maybe i'm wrong.

I don't think Florida and Michigan should be lumped together, The circumstances are completely different.

As for an independent party....not likely because independents are a pretty diverse group some too conservative for the Repulbicans and some too liberal for Democrats.

On balance I think Dr. Dean has done a good job but it's my view he lied to the Florida Democrats. I believe he said they would honor the vote and now he has backed away from that completely.

Rez, that's my understanding.

what's the problem then!

FL MI will dealt with before Denver

I don't care for the pledged- bound crap. that's when individualS other than SDs start veering off course IMO.

What is a yellow dog democrat?

What role will Florida delegates have if the DNC does not permit them to participate? Although the DNC has said it will not recognize delegates from Florida, the Florida Democratic Party plans to appeal to the eventual Democratic nominee for President to be seated at the Convention. While there are no guarantees that this will happen, the Party will continue the delegate selection process to elect the actual delegates to the Democratic National Convention and will use the results of the January 29th Presidential Preference Primary to determine the apportionment of those delegates.
http://www.fladems.com/content/w/florida_delegate_selection_to_the_2008_democratic_national_convention

ET
I replied to your ??? in yesterday's comments.

Rez, which one? About Sarah?

Can't we just get these two candidates together and run the "dream team" and win this damn thing?

http://www.yellowdogdemocrat.com/history.htm

ET,

a yellow dog democrat is a southern phrase that is
"I would rather vote for a yellow dog than a Republican"

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Ok got the def. of YELLOW DOG Democrat:

In the late 19th century and throughout the 20th century, yellow dog Democrats were voters in the U.S. Southern states who consistently voted for Democratic candidates because of lingering resentment against Republicans from the Civil War and Reconstruction periods. The term arose from the notion that a Southerner would vote for a yellow dog before voting for a Republican.

thanks KGC, thanks Dooty, and I am sorry I didn't google it first. But I learned something new ... thanx much!

yep ET about midnight

HD & ET, that's right - been one all my adult life. Woof.

Good morning...(hello Yo soy Horsedoddy, Hussein Horsedoddy and ET...haven't got to say that in awhile)

I am so simple, I still feel we would really streamline and de-mystify the whole election process if it were truly were one person, one vote count -- the popular votes. From the nomination process to the electoral college, I beleive most Americans do believe their vote counts. That is just not the truth. And if any of these candidates were truly the "change" candidates, they would look at how this process works. I still think popular vote should be the deciding vote in party nominations and Presidential elections.

Why should Florida revote. They already voted. If the election had been five days later it would count.
Both Dean and Pelosi previously stated they would honor the vote if the delegation was seated. Obama said he would honor the vote and seat the delegation while illegally campaigning in Florida....when he didn't win he changed his mind. Maybe he shouldn't have voted against radio marti.

In Michigan apparently the Dingell's should pay for the new process.

Pogo,

There a presumption that the majority of SDs favor HRC.
I'm not so sure about that. Given that, there are those who feel HRC will play some shenanigans to make that happen. I'm paranoid about that but i'm not real vocal about it. If that happens in the background people will know it and it will get out and it will hurt us in November. So, i'm for letting the process go forward with the rules as we understand. i 'm optimistic the FL -MI situation will be worked out to the majority satisfaction. We can argue the party voting rules for 2012 and beyond later.

hey Blonde wino,

It is HorsedOOty not HorsedoDDy lol just poking fun

spent some time last week in Alpine, By God, TX Chamber of Commerce type weather until Monday when we had at least 45mph wind and the temp was about 20F and lots of snow at 6 AM. We spent most of the morning freezing our tuckses off bring in new plants and covering trees. The lady of the house owns the only plant nursery in 3 counties down there.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

HD...I am still the queen of typos and dyslexic, to boot. Thank you for your bilingual closing...yellow dog...did you pick that up in Alpine?

ET:
I'm not sure when you left town but S. Pederson got her Captain License for her sailing yacht. i think she co-owns it with a good friend.
Sarah went with my wife and I to the Obama rally in Seattle last month. She tells me she's mad at you for being a Clinton nut among other things..:-)
My wife works with her at the Library.
later.
Posted by Rezdog

REZ!

I love Sarah P... !!! From the moment I first saw her I thought she was just awesome. She reminded me of Gloria Steinem, articulate, attractive, funny, low-key and an all around good person. Yeah Sarah told me she was for Obama! We all marched during the orig. Gulf war in 1990 (I think it was) to the State Capitol. She didn't like the NY NOW statement on Teddy Kennedy's endorsement of Obama and was very clear in stating that she supported Obama, and saw the excitement generated in young people as an excellent reinvigoration of the political process. Most of my closest friends are for Obama, but I have admired Hillary for years and still think she is awesome.

But Rez... what OTHER things did I do to make her mad? :-)

What is your wife's name, and if you don't wanna say, what is her capacity at TESC?

ET

KGC,
As i see it, today, if the FL stood as is , HRC would net about 30 dels, not enough to matter today. Because each del has become so important, no on is willing to concede any.
i really think it's just a distraction.

One little fact about Florida...BHO did advertise in the state while the other candidates did not. His national ad buy bled into Florida, so he cannot say it was all unfair. As for Michigan...it is more complicated.

And the repugs with their winner take all primaries really ignore the popular vote. I really think the average American doesn't understand that their vote does not count.

Blonde Wino... I got a weird form of dyslexia, never confirmed medically but based on other people's observations. I have almost an impossible time to read a map... I end up going the opposite direction that I am supposed to go... I took a class in sign language, and I was the only student in the class that kept making the signs in reverse. I am hopeless when it comes to geometry and I seem to have a difficulty with depth perception. But, normally... I do not screw up my words.

Has anyone else heard of such a thing, or am I just REAL SPECIAL? ;-)

just fooling around Blonde wino. you are welcome on the bi lingual closing been thinking about that all morning really. Most of the people I know in Alpine don't speak good Spanish mostly just Spanglish or espanol de rancho. Some don't even know the months of the year. Most of mine is Spanglish. I am not fluent by any stretch of the imagination.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

ET-
Don't be so sensitive, she was just teasing about being mad. Dang!

ET...you are special, but not alone. I am embarassed to tell you I still have to think about what is my right or left (except when voting). It is not automatic with me.

Craig...is it possible for the delegates of Michigan and Florida to seat themselves at convention? Since delegates are not bound, is this possible? Howard Dean said these states can re-vote if they pay for it. Shrewd on his part, but not very unifying.

Craig - I like your modest proposal, but speculatin' is half the fun of politickin'

Rez I wuz kidding mate... So what is your profession? How did you and your wife end up in Olytown? Do you financially support KAOS Olympia Community Radio? :-) Once a development director, always a development director.

Ah, it is now starting to become nice and clear. We'll have a do over in Michigan and Florida. Obama is FINALLY questioning Hillary's "experience". And we not only survived the Texas and Ohio primaries, Obama will have made up any lost delegates by the Wyoming and Mississippi elections.

As for Pennsylvania, I have a feeling this is be careful what you wish for time for the Clintons. Instead of a few weeks before a major primary, Obama has seven weeks to not only introduce himself, but to bring the hammer down on Clinton. Watch as he brings back the 90s to remind Pennsylvanians about all of the bad Clinton behavior. And with Clinton's campaign still beating each other up, this time they won't be able to handle it.

Brett Favre is crying. I guess he is having one of those periodic flashes when you lash out at others.

alpha1906...dream on. This is going to come down to convention.

Craig, have you heard any comment from the Clinton campaign on this article?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080305.wharpleak0305/BNStory/National/home

The source of Obama's NAFTA problem also said that the Clinton campaign gave the same assurances to the Canadian government for them to not to take Clinton's posturing on NAFTA too seriously.

Ya'll been arguing over HRC and BHO for so long ya'll been forgetting some of the really important and scary stuff, like the US thinking of invading Iran. This could be the first step in this happening. and this is why it is important to have a Dem in the White House asap

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/06/the-danger-of-ethics-and-competency-bush-considering-firing-centcom-chief-adm-fallon/

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

ET

"I end up going the opposite direction that I am supposed to go."

I take it you don't get invited to be navigator on European rally drives.

On the FL and MI mess. I think Florida should be seated. Everyone was on the ballot. No one campaigned or advertised (well Obama fudged a little on this one), and the Democratic party had no role in the date set for the primary. That was ordered by the Republican governor just to mess with them.

MI probably should be a revote or an assignment of the uncommitted delegates not given to Sen. Clinton as she was the only one on the ballot. I believe she got 55% while the "uncommitted" got 45% of the vote. It makes sense for Sen. Obama to get them.

rezdog

I think you are right. It doesn't benefit Clinton all that much to seat Florida without a new election and it would benefit the party.

The Michigan issue is completely different and some sort of do over is in order.

HD

It is "why" I would like to see the dream team and HRC should be prez...it would give BHO the experience he needs for the future. I think during their last debate, HRC missed a huge opportunity when discussing Russian politcs. BHO mentioned how GWB looked into Putin's eyes and yada, yada. His implication that GWB was naive. Sort of like him...he is proposing to do the same thing by meeting with certain leaders of the world. She should have nailed him on that.

I am not against BHO and will support the dem nomination as I cannot handle any more years of the repugs in the White House. I just feel he won't make it alone in Novmeber. Who can unite the dems and get the dream team going?

KGC-

i think HRC protestations about FL-Mi are just campaign rhetoric in anticipation of a re-vote. imo

Why get lost in these bunny trails, They will work them out to most everyone's satisfaction prior to Denver. There will never be 100% agreement.

Pa going for Obama....that's what you said about Ohio and Texas...how did that work out for you. Clinton has a great organization in Pa headed up by Ed Rendell and she will prevail.

And reminding people about Bill Clinton...even with all the lies the Obama campaign has told about him he is still the most popular Democratic politician and the population of Pa remembers the good times of the Clinton years...especially as the Shrub economy tanks.

Rezdog

I think the Florida issue is not for either presidential candidate but for the benefit of other Florida Democrats. The Obama campaign has made a big deal out of down ticket races and suppressing the Florida Democratic vote will hurt congressional races.
I think a good faith action by the National party is in order since the problems here were caused by Republicans. Michigan again is a different story.

yeah and some said Romney would be the nominee
where is carnac when you really need him

KGC

I am with you...Pennsylvania will go for HRC. She has won the majority of large states, there is no denying that.

Blonde wino,

I don't discount what you say but none of these candidates live alone and have to make choices without someone doing a briefing. To say he is naive, I think is not looking at how the process is really dealt with. The President does not exist in a vacuum, well, except GWB. Either candidate will be surrounded by multitudes of advisers and consultants, both military and civilian.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

Bush on tv for the 5th anniv. of Homeland Security...mentions Joe Liebermann...geez is he a repug or what?

Blonde wino,

here to augment your post is something I found on my web start page. 5 years in DHS is not making its commitments.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23494846

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

HD

very few candidates get elected on their potential advisers or cabinet members. Everyone who posts here is bit more nuanced than the average American...I do not mean that to be negative, but we all seem to care and sometimes know a bit more about the process. I wish civics would still be taught in elementary schools.

Alpha wrote: "Obama is FINALLY questioning Hillary's "experience"."

Yes...his foreign policy adviser...Rice...did a real good job on Tucker questioning his experience by saying: NEITHER ONE OF THEM HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE!

ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha

BRILLIANT!

[the Mccain campaign staff falls to the floor laughing their butts off]

Keep your hopes up about PA but there are not enough African Americans in PA to do him any good and PA population compared to OH is a bit older with higher Latino pop so . . . good luck O'

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120477027688415625.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

I know O' supporters feel that he does better in a place when he starts campaigning there...but...I have a feeling much of his appeal is starting to ware a bit thin. People are seeing him for what he really is (just another politician like the rest of them) and are now making up their minds based on realities and practicalities rather than...well...whatever it is O' offers.

The late breakers broke in a BIG WAY for Hillary in both Ohio and TX. RI wasn't as close as the polls thought it was going to be...and that's after a visit by O' in the final days leading up to the primary.

He's clearly doing a poor job of questioning her experience and all the pundits laughed at him over his bringing up of her Tax returns...is that the best he can do?

I miss Warren...r u out there Warren?

HD(YD y AdelP)

Homeland Security still has that Nazi ring to it...and I really have a concern about Joe Liebermann...he might just show-up as JMc's running mate (I have teased about this on other posts). I know it may sound foolish, but maybe not...strange selections for strange times. Demographics would work for the repugs.

You miss Warren?

WOW! :-)

He did say that he is "very goodlooking" ;-)

ET

Wendy is a true democrat...how could anyone not love her?

Wow, it's March 5th and the Rasmussen poll has HR up by 15 in PA. She can just coast to victory there, no sweat.:)

Why all you Hillary supporters worried? Looks to be a piece of cake in PA anyway.

"The source of Obama's NAFTA problem also said that the Clinton campaign gave the same assurances to the Canadian government for them to not to take Clinton's posturing on NAFTA too seriously."

Yep it was actually in the original television CTV story that O' was busted on.

Clinton campaign said the Canadian government had immunity to name the person they spoke to in her campaign (this was last week when the story initially broke). The only name that came from the Canadian's was...yep...Goolsbee- Obama's guy. They have yet to take the Clinton's up on naming their Clinton source.

Am I naive enough to think politicians don't do this...no...in fact...I bet the Clinton campaign did do it. But Mr. Let's Change Washington and Mr. Government Transperancy is the one that got caught. He set HIMSELF up for this by basing his entire campaign on being a different kind of politician.

ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

Rezdog

What me worry?

Alfred E. Neuman

"Eliminating unemployment should be our major concern...and we can start by getting rid of the thousands of 'non-workers' on Government payrolls!"

Alfred E. Neuman
July, 1975

Horsedooty!...

"Ya'll been arguing over HRC and BHO for so long ya'll been forgetting some of the really important and scary stuff, like the US thinking of invading Iran."

GWB starts a war with Iran, the American People protest, Martial Law is instituted and elections suspend.

With OIL now going over $106 dollars a barrel though it may come down some and the dollar going for $1.53 to a Euro gas will go over $4 dollars a gallon soon.

If you listened to GWB's endorsement of McCain you heard him say that he still has a lot to do. WAR with Iran?

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

God Bless.

Just read through my last two posts. Clearly I'm feeling mean today. I shouldn't laugh at O' for tripping over his own feet...that's not very nice.

sorry.

Sr. HD, maybe Fallon can ask Shinseki about post pentagon employment!!

Dear Mick, let's see, we've seen how to do this - deny that any conversation occured, deny that any talk about Nafta happened, and when the memo dispproving that is leaked claim we were misquoted. That about right?

"PA Poll: Clinton Gets Big Bounce"

"Last week, Clinton's lead in Pennsylvania according to Rasmussen was just 4 points. Now it's fifteen points"

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/03/pa_poll_clinton_gets_big_bounc.html

Wonder what that's all about?

"Last week, Clinton's lead in Pennsylvania according to Rasmussen was just 4 points. Now it's fifteen points"

You got it made Wendy! Enough with the campaigning. :-)

Pogo, I guess it all depends on what your definition of "is" is.

Now, Hillary's taking up GWB's tactics of a scaring everyone. In my own hometown. damn!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d1YG_i1PeM

LOL

Afternoon economic news.

Neither hillary nor obama is going to have to deal with the subprime mortgage problem - at this rate no one will have them by next year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/business/06cnd-mortgage.html?hp

And if its current direction is any indication, the Dow will pass 12,000 barrier within a day - unfortunately, it will be going down past it.

AP, of course GWB danced a little before the endoresement - again. He said it was because McCain was late - I think he just needed to pee.

If you have gift cards still unused from Christmas or other events, you better go use them NOW

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080303/ap_on_re_us/bankruptcy_gift_cards

OK Rezdog OK

:-D

but . . . there is something happening in North Carolina as well . . . instead of Hillary having to watch her butt in PA...maybe O' needs to watch his in North Carolina...interesting little trend I'm keeping my eye on.

OK...I'll go to lunch now and leave you all alone.

Howard dean said "All they have to do is come before us with rules that fit into what they agreed to a year and a half ago, and then they'll be seated".

He also said "The rules were set a year and a half ago, Florida and Michigan voted for them, then decided that they didn't need to abide by the rules. Well, when you are in a contest you do need to abide by the rules. Everybody has to play by the rules out of respect for both campaigns and the other 48 states."

I don't know how they can come up with something against this. Also Michigan's request for a waiver was denied by a vote of 28-2 back in December 2007.

Rule 11.A. of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2008 Democratic National Convention states the following:

11. TIMING OF THE DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS
A. No meetings, caucuses, conventions or primaries which constitute the first determining stage in the presidential nomination process (the date of the primary in primary states, and the date of the first tier caucus in caucus states) may be held prior to the first Tuesday in February or after the second Tuesday in June in the calendar year of the national convention. Provided, however, that the Iowa precinct caucuses may be held no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the Nevada first-tier caucuses may be held no earlier than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the New Hampshire primary may be held no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February; and that the South Carolina primary may be held no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February. In no instance may a state which scheduled delegate selection procedures on or between the first Tuesday in February and the second Tuesday in June 1984 move out of compliance with the provisions of this rule.

Mick (love the new nick), just following the steps of the messiah.

OK OK - just one more

what a drag this will be...

"It’s possible that the Primary season could end with Barack Obama leading in pledged delegates and Hillary Clinton leading in the popular vote. If that happens, the life of a Superdelegate will be far from pleasant."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

You know my vote...popular vote trumps pledged delegates for superD decision...that is if we're sticking with Obama's "will of the people argument".

OK...now I'm really going to lunch.

NH, Iowa, did get waivers, FL and MI did not. Sorry rules are rules.

"she'll stop at nothing to win, it's time for Obama to turn up the heat."

How fitting, the bomb scare in Olympia WA was with package containing a HRC..NUT cracking doll.. LOL

Vadaryl...thanks for the rules.

Rezdog...maybe we should celebrate the Fiesta of St. Joseph on March 19th this year. I know his statue is buried in many of the the yards with those "For Sale" signs that have been in the ground for over a year. He is the only real estate saint I know of to get us through this mortgage mess.

"You know my vote...popular vote trumps pledged delegates for super D"

Here we go again..let's just stick with the rules.Wendy . it will be a lot easier on all.

I feel sorry for the people in Fl, over 1.4 million people voted. In MI over 300,000. To bad it happened.

If they did a re vote would those same 1.4 million come out and vote again? I guess it depends on where things stand at that time?

Hey KGC,

Didn't predict Obama wins, I said that he just needed to keep them close. Which he did. BTW, better check out the caucus results in Texas before stating who ultimately won the state.

It's funny, but as the Clintons continue to trumpet their "big state wins", they unfortunately do understand that the goal is to collect more delegates. It's like a team going nuts for getting a first down, while their opponent keeps scoring touchdowns. Different goals. One makes the team feel good. The other is a winner. Obama is scoring touchdowns. See ya in Wyoming and Mississippi. Oops, forgot that Clintonites don't think those states count. LOL We'll take those delegates, thank you very much.

BTW, latest Pennsylvania polls, Obama down by only SIX points. She led by over twenty only a few weeks ago.

Vadaryl

As it has been said that the election in November is the dems to lose...they cannot ignore Florida or Michigan. Florida and Michigan vote in November no matter what. And like I said before, if I went to the polls and was allowed to vote, I would think my vote would count. In hindsight, the Florida and Michigan dems should have been turned away when they wanted to vote in the primary. Maybe that would have driven this rule thingie home to the average voter. Really a bad positon for the dems. Like I said, one person, one vote is so much BS.

vadaryl,

See, that's the problem - Iowa held its caucuses 9 days before the rules say it can, New Hampshire held its primary 11 days before the rules allow, and SC held its primary 2 days before the rules allow. Unless they sought and received a waiver, their delegations similarly should not be seated. Howie is only holding FL & MI to the rules. Selectively enforcing the provisions of Rile 11A is a huge problem for the DNC IMHO.

"Riding a victory wave, Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton raised $4 million online since Tuesday's presidential primary successes in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island, her campaign said Thursday."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jYzuxqs7vs3fQLZ25R6J5z8-wM8gD8V83B000

NH did get a waiver.

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/chrnothp08/nhdp112907pr.html

"If they did a re vote would those same 1.4 million come out and vote again? I guess it depends on where things stand at that time?"

Daryl , you know the answer that.... if it does happens(re-vote) maybe your candidate does better. Wouldn't that be good?

News just out. BO campaign took in 55 mil in Feb.

It might be good, but where do you get a 2nd chance

"I would think that the Clinton campaign would be the last person to be wanting to characterize any real estate transaction as unusual,"

yeah how HRC friends were sentenced to prison in that deal? 4?? Good company she keeps.

For a short break from politics here is some nice underwater photography.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/206

I think you all will like this.

God Bless.

Alph, I posted a link to an Adam Nagourney NYT article that discusses the differing targets of the two camps.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/video-trail-mix-webcam-edition.html#comment-47471

What latest polls are you referring to? Maybe provide a link? Rasmussen says 15 today - she was up by 4 a week ago.

http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

Blondie, I assume you mean that one person, one vote is not practiced at anylevel of the presidential selection process? :-{)

Have a good day, all. Still a great year to be a democrat. I remember when I actually used to whisper that in the days after the Patriot act.

Rez, buddy, re: Whitewater - I wouldn't go there - Obama's real estate company ain't exactly wearing angels' robes, and remember - Bill & Hillary didn't benefit from that deal.

re: fla and Mi.

Who decided the rules? Are the rules published anywhere?

http://www.democrats.org/a/convention_2008/delegate/

http://www.democrats.org/page/-/pdf/FINAL2008CalltotheConvention.pdf

Lemmee see, $55 mil - that's about $3.7 mil per point. Yeah, that might be doable.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/apache.3cdn.net/e824f455b24c7782dc_jjm6ib44l.pdf

Pogo,

Don't be upset with me, if HRC gets the nom just be prepared for a stroll down memory lane.

I was wondering if there were rules in place specifically in respect to Florida and Michigan for 2008.

I did not find anything in that doc. from the DNC

and let's not forget that Hillary killed her lesbian lover Vince Foster....

Obama could not have bought his house if Mrs. Rezko didn't agree to buy the lot next door at the same time.
It's not the strip of land she sold him, it was the original deal. His house and the lot had to be sold at the same time.

March - the rules are on the DNC website.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/apache.3cdn.net/de68e7b6dfa0743217_hwm6bhyc4.pdf

hey vadaryl - have you got a link to something about the IA & NH waivers? I have gone back to Nov. in the DNC pressers and can't find anything. I could just be overlooking them.

They needed amendments to change their dates. Mi got turned down. Have not found anything about FL.

Bill has been placed on a short leash - that is for sure. Maybe even an electo-shock collar.

Rez, I'm certainly not upset, just perplexed. And I do expect a stroll down memory lane no matter who gets the nomination.

March, FL & MI fall into the general clause of Rule 11 - before the IA, NH, NV & SC bullsh*t.

I bet that real estate transcation was a fairly complex, having everything close on the exact same date - I am sure there were numerous conversations between the various parties involved.

NH waiver http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/chrnothp08/nhdp112907pr.html

KGC,
just stick with the sex and drug angles, public loves that. All those Realty deals are too complicated for John Q. to understand. Rezko probably will not be public until next year, when her WH records become available.

Could not find Florida being turned down. I wonder if they even asked for a waiver.

vad, I don't dubt that MI & FL were outside the rules - I'm interested in the waivers that NH & IA got.

Bill Clinton has been a valuable asset to Hillary's campaign. When I have mofre time, I will explain further.

vad, that answers it for NH, and suggests that perhaps SC & IA were similarly granted waivers. Thanks.

Gotta run folks,

Get back to biz... hope to pick up where we left off :-)
As Patsi always reminds me; it's important to raise the level of discourse around here.

Rezdog
you wish
the story is already on Fox and Craig Crawford posted about the facts of the house deal quite a while ago.
Now that the trial is on...it will be part of the story.

It's not hard to understand Obama could not have bought the house unless the Rezko's bought the lot next door. Not complicated at all.

It's also not complicated to understand their are lobbyists all over the Obama campaign as staff etc
and they have solicited the family members of lobbyists to give money. If Obama wants to fling poo
then he is likely to be the one who gets covered in it.

It's all old news about Senator Clinton but it is news about Obama. It turns out he is just another pol with all the same issues. Wonder what Obama told Senator McCaskill he would do about immigration.
To whom is he telling the truth?

for those of you who were too lazy or just didn't care to click the econ news link about foreclosures, here's the worst news in the article.

"Defaults were highest on adjustable-rate mortgages, those that start with lower fixed interest rates at first but reset to higher, variable rates after a few years. While many of the loans made to people with blemished, or subprime, credit were past due or in foreclosure, the number of prime adjustable-rate loans also rose rapidly to 8.1 percent from 4.3 percent in December 2006.

Douglas Duncan, the chief economist for the Mortgage Bankers, said the rates would probably rise further for much of this year as house prices fall further and banks and investors remain unwilling to lend and buy mortgage securities.

“We don’t expect to see the peak in delinquencies and foreclosure until mid- to late 2008,” he said in a conference call."

Remember that one of the accomplishments that Dumya keeps touting as evidence of the strength of the economy and the effectiveness of his economic policy is record home ownership levels. Wonder whether that will be the case by the time the foreclosure problem peaks?

FDIC is adding additional staff in anticipation of bank failures. The commercial real estate loans are the likely cause.

pogo
i have done some research and found something that all bloggers and reporters wont report........there were 5 states who broke DNC rules and only 2 are being punished.....the 5 states are IOWA, NH, SOUTH CAROLINA, FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN ....all 5 broke the DNC rules by moving and changing their primaries,,,,, why hasnt anyone brought this out

Pardon me, but aren't we told by the RW mouthpieces that the main problems with energy in the US are (1) lack of refining capacity and (2) not punching holes in ANWR? If that's so, what good is OPEC upping production of crude going to have?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/business/worldbusiness/06oil.html?em&ex=1204952400&en=dcc9704a99b1ece3&ei=5087%0A

zumper, it's been brought out - at least NH obtained a waiver of the rules - sounds from the NHDP presser that IA & SC were also considered, although it doesn't say they were granted. I couldn't find anything on the DNC website to determine one way or the other. Since the Clinton camp hasn't raised those states as issues, and Obama netted 13 delegates over Clinton in them, I assume they got waivers. Actually, NV broke the rules, too, by 2 days.

I'm sure Obama is proud of his support from the gun nuts and people who want closed borders and to deport all undocumented workers --such as Senator McCaskill. Plus the majority of democratic senators who voted to support the Shrub position on FISA are obama supporters, Why didn't he talk to them and bring them around...

The only reason Coulter expresses support for a Democrat is this:

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As American voters see Barack Obama finally forced to put a bit of meat on the thin bones of his platform of “hope and change,” Republicans in particular have a stark choice before us. We can go with Ann Coulter’s position: Republicans should vote for the Democrat so that the ensuing disaster will be blamed on Democrats (whereas a disaster under McCain will be blamed on Republicans.) Or we can go with Michael Reagan’s view: Republicans must support McCain because “the alternative is unthinkable to anyone who loves this nation.”

It has nothing to do with anything else.

Obama is just the generation of internet campaigns after Dean. If the media weren't in the tank for Bush in 2004 --Dean would have been Obama.

There is nothing new about what he is doing.
David Axelrod is slime personified.

Craig you are right again.
I am wondering what happen to the article on aol that pictured obama's grandmother, upset that her grandson was being treated badly. I saw it before I went to school this morning now it is not there?
She is in Kenya and said people were not being nice to her grandson. Very interesting.
I went to the democratic meeting last night, my first.
We out voted rep. 15000 to 13000 and this is a republican county. Hillary also all by 5 counties, I think it was.
Thank you Katherine I agree.

carol, was your wardrobe appropriate? :-{)

When Ann Coulter is your friend, that should give people pause. Yeesh.

Ann Coulter blah blah blah what a load of crap.
Is that the best you can do...that and Clinton's murder of her lesian lover Vince Foster. No one except a real maroon thinks Ann Coulter is supporting Hillary Clinton.

Since you see racists everywhere...what do you intend to do about it.?
http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/06/election-2008-crossing-the-archie-bunker-divide/#comments

Coulter explained her non support for McCain at length.

http://www.anncoulter.org/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=233

Carol
I read the discussion about what to wear to the County Committee meeting? I'm sorry I missed it. I would have suggested a Rubber Maid T shirt.

Darn it, Hillary, that Coulter gambit isn't working - Obama is still getting 55% of the Republicans to vote for him. Maybe if we could get Hannity to endorse you?

Coulter would be more appropriate for Obama since she doesn't think women should have the right to vote

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/04/coulter-gardner/

http://theblackamericandiscussion.blogspot.com/2008/02/strange-bedfellows-over-zealous-obama.html

Her words, oh deaf one.

Peggy "Magic Dolphins "Noonan and George "I slept my way to the top" Will both have swooned over Obama.

You think that is embracing her support? If Coulter were on fire, I wouldn't pee on her to put her out. You're beginning to believe your own BS. Back away from the Koolaid.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1752381.ece

A closer look at Obama. Having Penny Pritzker as the head of fundraising isn't well publicized....I guess it steps on your man of the little people image.
Looks like a lot of Shrubians in their too.

Why rightwing pundits support Obama
Then again, it is possible that right wingers simply like Obama better -- though Clinton and Obama have very similar voting records since both were in the U.S. Senate together. Perhaps Obama has won over Republicans on the health care issue: most wealthier Republicans despise the thought of Universal Health care, and Obama's plan would be less universal than Hillary's.
http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/02/why-do-right-wi.html

I've looked everywhere and see no statement from obama disavowing support from Peggy Noonan

"Q: The tone, especially from Clinton, has become much sharper over the past few weeks. Will Pennsylvanians mind all the snipping and sniping?

A: Pennsylvanians are used to rough-and-tumble elections. We're accustomed to pretty brutal campaigns. This isn't a state for the faint of heart. You go to Philadelphia, where there are indictments... It's a tough environment here. Plus, I think Hillary proved in Ohio and Texas that playing nice didn't win and not playing nice did. I imagine she'll continue on a similar track."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/dirty-delegate-truths.html

Yeah whatever you want to believe
,more of the same old...it's only ok if Obama does it.

Obama is actively soliciting rightwing support
Clinton is not.

Your irrational hatred of Senator Clinton and President Clinton had blinded you to the facts and made you an apologist for the very behavior you attack Clinton.

Quote of the day:

“The Obama campaign’s idea of new politics is to recycle the same old Republican attacks on Senator Clinton that have failed for years,” said Howard Wolfson, Mrs Clinton’s communications director, in a memo. “Imitating Ken Starr is not the way to win the Democratic nomination.”

Wendy! since Obama is going to go negative as well (although I'm sure it's oh, so reluctantly) the Pennsylvanians should get a great rough and tumble political show.

I did not post the items you mention as usual you are quite willing to lie and distort. All I ever said was why not give it a full hearing as you do with every little Clinton rumor. If it was believable for Rev Ted then it is believable for others. It turned out not to be true.
But here you are repeating lies -rightwing lies- about the Clintons Things which have been proven untrue but you are more than happy to parrot.

You spew more crap and lies than anyone on this board. You Clinton hatred probably based on some personal snub makes it impossible to have any conversation with you,. What's the matter did she get your name wrong at some event. Did she call you Bob by mistake?

This is cute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPhuDyYmd7A

Not to change the subject or anything, but the Dow closed at 12040 after falling 214 points today. I guess all these bad reports are depressing investors.

Obama supporters are the same everywhere...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRO3KO6Ws34

Seems the Bevis and Butthead "Peeps Show" is falling into the depths of desperation.

Someone asked where the other half was.

Of course it could be that Bill dissed you.

CNN just had a item on the Rezko trial and say BHO name has just been brought up in court.
BHO walking away from reporters when questioning about it isn't going to make it go away..

For those investors out there who still have their investments, like IRAs or indexed mutual funds, that means that whatever you had in your investment accounts when Dumya took office is worth about 4% more than it was 7 years ago - for a whopping .57% return. The good news is that if you put your money into gasoline when Dumya got into office, it's worth 2.3 times what it was. Thanks for the great economy, George.

Bye now.

Not too mention what Shrub has done to property values. The most requested service in Sonoma County is having your property re assessed. County
budgets are screwed.

Hill Yeah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30V5vnYHzk

As usual the fascists are trying to shut down free speech. Ms Coulter has a right to say whatever she wants.

This is how I feel about Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXIWOg6rYHY

It appears that I'm not the only one who thinks there may not be elections.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/06/7525/

I wrote about the NSPD 51along with its companion bill HSPD-20 which you can read at the link below and see what Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush has in store for America.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

I do advise reading the second link if you are unaware of this directive.

God Bless.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/foreign/tobyharnden/mar08/naftaandrezko.htm

Gees. you guys and gals at it again. Okay.

Here are some items Obama is afraid to address, but they will come up anyway.

1. Terrorists infiltrate Israeli school and kill seven. Abbas claims AQ has infiltrated Hamas as food supplies contain weapons. Hizb'Allah is gearing up for conflict as the USS Cole sits off Lebanon's coast. What brilliant ideas does Obama have and what would his first move be? Blame Israeli tactics as Hamas launches rockets at Israel? Media is ready to ask Obama just who is advising him.

2. FARC is a terrorist group and Obama defended the right of nations to strike terrorists where ever they are. Columbia did just that and now Hugo has troops on the border. Is Obama concerned that Reyes' laptop reveals a. Hugo gave $300,000,000 to FARC as he invites more Quds into his nation? b. Is Obama concerned that FARC may be seeking enriched uranium for dirty bombs? c. Is Obama concerned that insurgent attack on Mexican pipe lines last year resembled AQ in Iraq? d. When would Obama support Columbia or does he agree with the two Americans that told FARC Obama plans to cut military aid, reject free trade agreement with Columbia and talk to FARC?

3. UN passes new sanctions on Iran. Does Obama support these sanctions? Does Obama believe Iran supports terrorists and if so, why not sanction Quds who is in Iraq, supplying weapons to Hizb'Allah, has murdered Jews in Argentina and is now advising Chavez? Where were the new P-2 centrifuges built? If answer is "I don't know" then to what degree of certainty does Obama have that the US knows where all of Iran's facilities are? Does Obama still stand behind his remarks that the US should prevent Iran from building a bomb?

4. Greece doesn't want Macedonia in NATO. As the head of the Senate Foriegn Relations Sub Committee on Eastern Europe and NATO, does Obama 1. Support Macedonia? 2. Stand by Canada who will pull out of Afghanistan if NATO does not send at least 1000 more troops (no it is not the US problem)? 3. Does Obama support NATO's call for a nuclear first strike option to conventional attack as recently declared by Putin? 4. Does Obama support Span. Italy and others who demand their NATO troops not be in the line of fire? 5. Support missile defense for Europe? For the US?

5. Is Obama willing to admit he knows exactly where Rezko got his 3.5 million dollar loan that enabled Obama to purchase his house and the plot of land next to it that was part of the requirement of sellers? Will Obama admit he knows why Rezko gave money to Obama's friend Khadili back in 2002? Will Obama open up his books and show exactly how much Rezko gave him?

6. Why does Obama have Powers, Malley and Zbig as advisors and how does that square with Obama's recent public statements about Israel?

7. Does a person dedidcate a book to a "crazy uncle who often says things I disagree with"? Is Obama prepared to state what those things his pastor has said are and reject them?

8. Why is Obama whining about recent press coverage after complaining Hillary was whining about obvious press bias confirmed by several journalistic groups? Is Obama blaming the press and then not admitting his lead was generated by the same press bias he as recieved less of lately?

9. If NAFTA is so bad, why hasn't Obama attacked it his past books, or is the recent blasts merely pandering to the Left? If so, how many other things are panderings? Is his support for Israel, his determination to terminate terrorists also pandering?

10. Why would anyone think, as Craig has shown above, that causcuses are the best representation of sentiment? Aren't these less than representational means the source of Obama's lead (minus press bias, Republicans and some Indies)? Is Obama willing to re-vote Florida in an open vote of Democrats? Is Obama willing to have Superdelegates vote based on the majority of registered Democrats that voted in the primaries? And why should delegates from Red States count as much as delegates from Blue States when their voice will not be backed up by real electorial votes from their states come November? Why has Obama done better in caucuses and not open votes?

These questions are just some of the many questions coming Obama's way SOON. Sure, he can play the Starr card, he can put Hillary in the same box as McCain. He can imitate Rove. It just makes him look more the conventional candidate he has always been. And all the time blasting Hillary with Republican tactics will take time away from his lofty words and turning the page...LOL

Let's hope Superdelegates look at who has the best policies and represent the Democratic voter. To suggest that the more liberal candidate is more likely to be bipartisan is unproven at best. To elevate rhetoric over policy and record is nonsense. Everyone knew what backed up JFK and Reagan's words. Global events are forcing Obama to show his cards and no amount of Republican tactics or Patrick's old lines will divert the inevitable.

I can predict that Obama supporters will let these question pass, but unfortunately for them, Obama cannot. Maybe the VP might be the best play. Penn and Florida are not going to swing Barak's way. Maybe Obama will say that is because they're less educated and get their coffee from Dunkin Donuts.

Gees. you guys and gals at it again. Okay.

Here are some items Obama is afraid to address, but they will come up anyway.

1. Terrorists infiltrate Israeli school and kill seven. Abbas claims AQ has infiltrated Hamas as food supplies contain weapons. Hizb'Allah is gearing up for conflict as the USS Cole sits off Lebanon's coast. What brilliant ideas does Obama have and what would his first move be? Blame Israeli tactics as Hamas launches rockets at Israel? Media is ready to ask Obama just who is advising him.

2. FARC is a terrorist group and Obama defended the right of nations to strike terrorists where ever they are. Columbia did just that and now Hugo has troops on the border. Is Obama concerned that Reyes' laptop reveals a. Hugo gave $300,000,000 to FARC as he invites more Quds into his nation? b. Is Obama concerned that FARC may be seeking enriched uranium for dirty bombs? c. Is Obama concerned that insurgent attack on Mexican pipe lines last year resembled AQ in Iraq? d. When would Obama support Columbia or does he agree with the two Americans that told FARC Obama plans to cut military aid, reject free trade agreement with Columbia and talk to FARC?

3. UN passes new sanctions on Iran. Does Obama support these sanctions? Does Obama believe Iran supports terrorists and if so, why not sanction Quds who is in Iraq, supplying weapons to Hizb'Allah, has murdered Jews in Argentina and is now advising Chavez? Where were the new P-2 centrifuges built? If answer is "I don't know" then to what degree of certainty does Obama have that the US knows where all of Iran's facilities are? Does Obama still stand behind his remarks that the US should prevent Iran from building a bomb?

4. Greece doesn't want Macedonia in NATO. As the head of the Senate Foriegn Relations Sub Committee on Eastern Europe and NATO, does Obama 1. Support Macedonia? 2. Stand by Canada who will pull out of Afghanistan if NATO does not send at least 1000 more troops (no it is not the US problem)? 3. Does Obama support NATO's call for a nuclear first strike option to conventional attack as recently declared by Putin? 4. Does Obama support Span. Italy and others who demand their NATO troops not be in the line of fire? 5. Support missile defense for Europe? For the US?

5. Is Obama willing to admit he knows exactly where Rezko got his 3.5 million dollar loan that enabled Obama to purchase his house and the plot of land next to it that was part of the requirement of sellers? Will Obama admit he knows why Rezko gave money to Obama's friend Khadili back in 2002? Will Obama open up his books and show exactly how much Rezko gave him?

6. Why does Obama have Powers, Malley and Zbig as advisors and how does that square with Obama's recent public statements about Israel?

7. Does a person dedidcate a book to a "crazy uncle who often says things I disagree with"? Is Obama prepared to state what those things his pastor has said are and reject them?

8. Why is Obama whining about recent press coverage after complaining Hillary was whining about obvious press bias confirmed by several journalistic groups? Is Obama blaming the press and then not admitting his lead was generated by the same press bias he as recieved less of lately?

9. If NAFTA is so bad, why hasn't Obama attacked it his past books, or is the recent blasts merely pandering to the Left? If so, how many other things are panderings? Is his support for Israel, his determination to terminate terrorists also pandering?

10. Why would anyone think, as Craig has shown above, that causcuses are the best representation of sentiment? Aren't these less than representational means the source of Obama's lead (minus press bias, Republicans and some Indies)? Is Obama willing to re-vote Florida in an open vote of Democrats? Is Obama willing to have Superdelegates vote based on the majority of registered Democrats that voted in the primaries? And why should delegates from Red States count as much as delegates from Blue States when their voice will not be backed up by real electorial votes from their states come November? Why has Obama done better in caucuses and not open votes?

These questions are just some of the many questions coming Obama's way SOON. Sure, he can play the Starr card, he can put Hillary in the same box as McCain. He can imitate Rove. It just makes him look more the conventional candidate he has always been. And all the time blasting Hillary with Republican tactics will take time away from his lofty words and turning the page...LOL

Let's hope Superdelegates look at who has the best policies and represent the Democratic voter. To suggest that the more liberal candidate is more likely to be bipartisan is unproven at best. To elevate rhetoric over policy and record is nonsense. Everyone knew what backed up JFK and Reagan's words. Global events are forcing Obama to show his cards and no amount of Republican tactics or Patrick's old lines will divert the inevitable.

I can predict that Obama supporters will let these question pass, but unfortunately for them, Obama cannot. Maybe the VP might be the best play. Penn and Florida are not going to swing Barak's way. Maybe Obama will say that is because they're less educated and get their coffee from Dunkin Donuts.

I would really like to know what John Edwards is thinking these days.

Pogo,
Yes, I wore nice jeans a stripped sweater and a Pendleton vest. haha so I was half and half. haha
There was a mixture of dress.
I tried to get a rubbermaid t shirt but could not find one. I did wear my Hillary pin on the vest and another one on my jacket.
Max you have some very valid points. So why cannot the media and the delegates see that? Dumb. lol
Hey I get my coffe at Starbucks and I voted for Hillary. haha

Pogo,
Yes, I wore nice jeans a stripped sweater and a Pendleton vest. haha so I was half and half. haha
There was a mixture of dress.
I tried to get a rubbermaid t shirt but could not find one. I did wear my Hillary pin on the vest and another one on my jacket.
Max you have some very valid points. So why cannot the media and the delegates see that? Dumb. lol
Hey I get my coffe at Starbucks and I voted for Hillary. haha

Pogo,
Yes, I wore nice jeans a stripped sweater and a Pendleton vest. haha so I was half and half. haha
There was a mixture of dress.
I tried to get a rubbermaid t shirt but could not find one. I did wear my Hillary pin on the vest and another one on my jacket.
Max you have some very valid points. So why cannot the media and the delegates see that? Dumb. lol
Hey I get my coffe at Starbucks and I voted for Hillary. haha

"Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean urged Florida and Michigan party officials to come up with plans to repeat their presidential nominating contests so that their delegates can be counted."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23499719/

Hi all...

To Carol and others having trouble with the sluggish system, I'll repost this tip from this morning:

To avoid double-posting, only hit the SUBMIT button once -- no matter how tempting it is to hit it again. If your screen doesn't respond...try hitting the REFRESH button on your browser instead. Nine times out of 10, you'll find your comment has posted once the screen refreshes. :)

Anon, you're not taking your meds again. There are only several months left before you'll be forced to admit how complete crazy you are. Bush isn't taking over the country and sending us to Gulags. It is time you start a fresh paranoia. How about aliens viruses inflecting Hillary supporters, or Rove giving birth to the anti-Christ? Is McCain a Nazi too?

Gees. you guys and gals at it again. Okay.

Here are some items Obama is afraid to address, but they will come up anyway.

1. Terrorists infiltrate Israeli school and kill seven. Abbas claims AQ has infiltrated Hamas as food supplies contain weapons. Hizb'Allah is gearing up for conflict as the USS Cole sits off Lebanon's coast. What brilliant ideas does Obama have and what would his first move be? Blame Israeli tactics as Hamas launches rockets at Israel? Media is ready to ask Obama just who is advising him.

2. FARC is a terrorist group and Obama defended the right of nations to strike terrorists where ever they are. Columbia did just that and now Hugo has troops on the border. Is Obama concerned that Reyes' laptop reveals a. Hugo gave $300,000,000 to FARC as he invites more Quds into his nation? b. Is Obama concerned that FARC may be seeking enriched uranium for dirty bombs? c. Is Obama concerned that insurgent attack on Mexican pipe lines last year resembled AQ in Iraq? d. When would Obama support Columbia or does he agree with the two Americans that told FARC Obama plans to cut military aid, reject free trade agreement with Columbia and talk to FARC?

3. UN passes new sanctions on Iran. Does Obama support these sanctions? Does Obama believe Iran supports terrorists and if so, why not sanction Quds who is in Iraq, supplying weapons to Hizb'Allah, has murdered Jews in Argentina and is now advising Chavez? Where were the new P-2 centrifuges built? If answer is "I don't know" then to what degree of certainty does Obama have that the US knows where all of Iran's facilities are? Does Obama still stand behind his remarks that the US should prevent Iran from building a bomb?

4. Greece doesn't want Macedonia in NATO. As the head of the Senate Foriegn Relations Sub Committee on Eastern Europe and NATO, does Obama 1. Support Macedonia? 2. Stand by Canada who will pull out of Afghanistan if NATO does not send at least 1000 more troops (no it is not the US problem)? 3. Does Obama support NATO's call for a nuclear first strike option to conventional attack as recently declared by Putin? 4. Does Obama support Span. Italy and others who demand their NATO troops not be in the line of fire? 5. Support missile defense for Europe? For the US?

5. Is Obama willing to admit he knows exactly where Rezko got his 3.5 million dollar loan that enabled Obama to purchase his house and the plot of land next to it that was part of the requirement of sellers? Will Obama admit he knows why Rezko gave money to Obama's friend Khadili back in 2002? Will Obama open up his books and show exactly how much Rezko gave him?

6. Why does Obama have Powers, Malley and Zbig as advisors and how does that square with Obama's recent public statements about Israel?

7. Does a person dedidcate a book to a "crazy uncle who often says things I disagree with"? Is Obama prepared to state what those things his pastor has said are and reject them?

8. Why is Obama whining about recent press coverage after complaining Hillary was whining about obvious press bias confirmed by several journalistic groups? Is Obama blaming the press and then not admitting his lead was generated by the same press bias he as recieved less of lately?

9. If NAFTA is so bad, why hasn't Obama attacked it his past books, or is the recent blasts merely pandering to the Left? If so, how many other things are panderings? Is his support for Israel, his determination to terminate terrorists also pandering?

10. Why would anyone think, as Craig has shown above, that causcuses are the best representation of sentiment? Aren't these less than representational means the source of Obama's lead (minus press bias, Republicans and some Indies)? Is Obama willing to re-vote Florida in an open vote of Democrats? Is Obama willing to have Superdelegates vote based on the majority of registered Democrats that voted in the primaries? And why should delegates from Red States count as much as delegates from Blue States when their voice will not be backed up by real electorial votes from their states come November? Why has Obama done better in caucuses and not open votes?

These questions are just some of the many questions coming Obama's way SOON. Sure, he can play the Starr card, he can put Hillary in the same box as McCain. He can imitate Rove. It just makes him look more the conventional candidate he has always been. And all the time blasting Hillary with Republican tactics will take time away from his lofty words and turning the page...LOL

Let's hope Superdelegates look at who has the best policies and represent the Democratic voter. To suggest that the more liberal candidate is more likely to be bipartisan is unproven at best. To elevate rhetoric over policy and record is nonsense. Everyone knew what backed up JFK and Reagan's words. Global events are forcing Obama to show his cards and no amount of Republican tactics or Patrick's old lines will divert the inevitable.

I can predict that Obama supporters will let these question pass, but unfortunately for them, Obama cannot. Maybe the VP might be the best play. Penn and Florida are not going to swing Barak's way. Maybe Obama will say that is because they're less educated and get their coffee from Dunkin Donuts.

It could all come down to NC

The above makes John Edwards' endorsement front and center critical.

For those thinking John Edwards may have blown the window where his endorsement would have the biggest impact in the race... I think it will be a matter of days before both campaigns figure out the North Carolina could be the whole enchilada and that John Edwards is the most coveted endorsement either could have going into that primary with so much at stake.

I also expect Clinton to call for do over Primaries in Michigan and Florida on June 3rd.

So what is Clinton's path to the nomination? Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, get John Edwards' endorsement and win North Carolina -- then take all that momentum and any questions about Obama into do over primaries in Michigan and Florida.

If she can pull this off she can pick up enough superdelegates to win the nomination. And she would compete with John McCain for comeback of the year honors.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/06/politics/horserace/entry3913620.shtml

KGC...I totally agree re North Carolina. I was saying yesterday that Clinton folks better be treating it as a totally clean slate. They have time to build something almost from the ground up there between now and early May.

Carol,

A get my coffee from Star and then my jelly dounut from D&D.

Thanks, I supplied Lardie with what Hillary can do to brace for Obama's attack and this is Hillary's offense.
Of course, there's more, but I didn't want to over do it.

Edwards is mulling his future. How many delegates does he have and are they bound by his word?

Of course, there's also the matter of Kenya, scorched earth policy in Darfur. And no one has given more aid than Bush. Does Obama support NATO or US cammand IN Africa? One can question his advisor Susan Rice on Liberia or as Lake if he even supported Hillary's push to go after Serbia.

Will Rezko Blow Up Obama?

"Rezko was arrested because he lied to the Feds–he claimed in November 2006 he had no assets and was virtually broke, but in April 2007 he received $3.5 million from a company owned by an Iraqi billionaire who also happens to be a convicted felon . The man’s name? Nadhmi Auchi.

So what does this have to do with Obama? Well, buried in a footnote in the motion for an arrest warrant, we learn that Auchi was denied a visa to the United States because of his conviction in France on fraud charges. Auchi’s buddy, Rezko sent a request to the U.S. Department of State in November 2005 for a visa waiver. And Rezko asked unidentified “Illinois government officials” to ask for clearance as well. How much you want to bet one of those officials was Barack Hussein Obama?"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/28/will-rezko-blow-up-obama/

re Rezko : even Obama now admits the transaction was "boneheaded."
----Or maybe Obama is REALLY thinkig he got a sweet deal on his mansion, and there was nothing wrong with it.

Dirty politician or a Stupid politician...at this point BHO is sticking with "boneheaded"

translation = not presidential material

Maxtrue...

Did you read the directives? I doubt it. Even Bruce Fein spoke about this directive some time ago.

You better pray I'm wrong, because if you have any kids and they protest against Martial Law he will have troops shot them to maintain order.

That is either Troops or his PRIVATE MILITARY BLACKWATER WHO ENJOYS SHOOTING WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

God Bless.

North Carolina has a semi open primary. Does that mean declined to states can vote in either party but registered party members cannot switch?

Will Rezko Blow Up Obama?

"Rezko was arrested because he lied to the Feds–he claimed in November 2006 he had no assets and was virtually broke, but in April 2007 he received $3.5 million from a company owned by an Iraqi billionaire who also happens to be a convicted felon . The man’s name? Nadhmi Auchi.

So what does this have to do with Obama? Well, buried in a footnote in the motion for an arrest warrant, we learn that Auchi was denied a visa to the United States because of his conviction in France on fraud charges. Auchi’s buddy, Rezko sent a request to the U.S. Department of State in November 2005 for a visa waiver. And Rezko asked unidentified “Illinois government officials” to ask for clearance as well. How much you want to bet one of those officials was Barack Hussein Obama?"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/28/will-rezko-blow-up-obama/

me too Katherine and Richardson. He down right lied.
2 weeks ago he said on TV, I saw it. He would decide later that week. Guess what he never did.
Let's take a poll and what everyone thinks will happen with Fl and Mich.
Personally, I think they will seat them

I do not recall any Indiana Primary being viewed with scrutiny in the nation's eye...ever. It actually might mean something this time...who'd - a-thunk-it.

maxtrue...

Since McCain voted against a bill to outlaw Waterboarding and require all interrogation to follow the Military rules regarding interrogation I would have to say yes.

If you support Torture your no better then the Nazi's or any country who uses Torture.

So remember, John McCain was against Torture before he was for it.

God Bless

KGC...not sure about exact degree of "openness" in NC primary.

Anon -- "Please climb aboard the flatbed trucks and stand quietly there until further directed. Your civil rights have been suspended." (just helping you practice, pal). :)

test

Does being an Obama supporter cause blindness?

The other spelling still works.

Carol...I think they will seat FL and MI as well, but not without some kind of re-vote. But if I were Hillary, I would make the fight about seating based on the elections that have already been, dig in hard on that position, and ultimately give up that chip only in exchange for something else that was very valuable --

No way should Hillary concede to a revote upfront, even though that's the likely endpoint.

Lardass, I will keep that in mind the next time. I have down that a few times. haha
We are supposed to get 6 to 10 inches of snow tomorrow and Sat. I am really tired of this SNOW.
So what is going to happen to Fl and Mich. No one wants to guess???? haha

Lardass, I will keep that in mind the next time. I have down that a few times. haha
We are supposed to get 6 to 10 inches of snow tomorrow and Sat. I am really tired of this SNOW.
So what is going to happen to Fl and Mich. No one wants to guess???? haha

shot i did it again

Anon, the meds, please do us all a favor.

KGC has a good question. Republicans and Indies could decide to influence the vote. If they think Hillary will be a tougher opponent, they could vote for Barak. Something ought to filter this possibility. It is absurd they Democrats are in this position. I still thin a win in Penn and the States around Ohio does it for Hillary. Superdelegates ought to see the writing on the wall.

A re-vote open to all Democrats in Florida will seal the deal so I'm not sure NC is as critical. NY, Cal, Ohio, Penn, Florida, Michigan, NJ, Mass and even Texas seem enough. How could Democrats nominate a candidate that could win those States? Well, I quess with Dean and Pelosi ANYTHING is possible?

A good guide to what an Obama President would look like -see Duval in Mass...LOL

Love all your links Gordo. You know, Chomsky wirtes op-eds for the Hindu Times. Wonder if that was the best gig he could get. No Quarter is a must read for Obama supporters. Obama's spin on his vet record is just plain wrong. That is another weapon Hillary hasn't brought up. I'm still waiting for her to hand Obama his own bill he introduced during the Amnesty Fight. "Did you ask Clarke his opinion of your bill, or is he advising you on Heathcare reform?"

Carol...you crack me up! I don't know you very well, but already like you based on your posts over the past couple days!

Dow 12,040.39 -214.60

Is it happy hour yet ?

Max, It's really unfair of you suggesting that the chair of the responsible oversight sub-committee have detailed subject matter knowledge of the areas for which he is responsible.

In this case, the chair is a visionary, a leader in the broadest sense.

If you want subject matter knowledge, ask Biden or Clinton--that's their cup of tea.

LL...

Before you dismiss those directives you better smarten up and read them.

The link is to the White House site and is a White House Press Release.

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
May 9, 2007

In fact there are parts of it so secret even those on the Intelligence Committee have not been allowed to see it.

God Bless.

Wait, Flatus! Am I hearing you correctly? Are you suggesting Senator Obama is nothing more than a poseur and a lightweight?

How dare you! Just for that, you're banned from the next Amway rally!

Obama works on Rezmar deals

"Obama spent the next eight years serving in the Illinois Senate and continued to work for the Davis law firm.

And he did legal work on Rezko's deals, according to an e-mail his presidential campaign staff sent the Sun-Times on Feb. 16, in response to earlier inquiries. The staff didn't specify which Rezmar projects Obama worked on, or his role. But it drew a distinction between working for Rezko and working on projects involving his company.

As a U.S. senator, Obama grew closer to Rezko."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.article

Here's another link on the NSPD 51 and HSPD-20 below.

http://www.ww4report.com/node/3940

Go ahead everyone and read them. It will take your mind off the election for awhile and you might even learn something.

God Bless.

Sorry for the typos and of course I meant "How could the Democrats nominate a candidate that couldn't win those States?

I agree with LL. Fight to seat those already voted for. Then the compromise won't be for caucuses that favor Obama. Re-vote the whole damn State and perhaps make it for Democrats only because every Republican will be gunning against the stronger Democratic candidate.

Even Indies with a mind for McCain will gun against the tougher opponent. Plain and simple as Democrats would not be above that bar either.

Hillary ought to be making her position the "Democratic one" as she has more Democratic votes so far. The fun is that Florida will not vote for Obama. INo way. Period. It will be fun watching Obama take flak for Malley, Powers, Zbig, Khadili, Rezko, Auchi, his pastor while pandering to the Jewish vote (many who consider themselves Lukudites..LOL).

Irony may provide the best laugh yet.

GORDO...

So I guess its alright to bring up the missing billing records of the Rose Law Firm again along with all the rest of the scandals involving the Clintons.

Go right ahead GORDO keep up with your smears and innuendos about Obama and see how many votes Hillary gets come November if she's the nominee.

You may enjoy saying President McCain, that's if we have elections.

God Bless.

Anon...I hesitate to engage you on this, because I know it's your most passionate issue.

However, with that risk in mind, let me say this: I am THRILLED that people in Washington have spent lots of time thinking about continuity of government in the event of a nuclear attack on our capital, a major financial center or a major city. They would be horribly remiss if directives such as this had not been written. Frankly, I worry that it hasn't been thought about and written about ENOUGH in the national media.

What would you prefer to this? Talk radio hosts running the country? Or just plain anarchy, fear and confusion? Because that is exactly what it would be if documents such as this were not created in advance.

These kinds of plans are nothing more nor nothing less than stuff that was written in the 50s and 60s at the height of the duck-and-cover nuclear scare. It's basic government planning.

(Okay...now I'm going to duck and cover as I await your response)

Craig, quit your studdering. Your shilling for Hillary is outta hand.

This is a repost for maxtrue and GORDO...

You keep bringing up your smear of Obama and Rezko so here's a little something for you.

When will Hillary come clean about the missing billing records from the Rose Law Firm?

Below from link form The Associated Press • February 24, 2008.

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080224/NEWS03/80224017

"Two years before the Lewinksy affair, prosecutors and a Republican-controlled Congress focused on the suicide of deputy White House counsel Vince Foster, a longtime law firm partner of Hillary Clinton.

Documents pertaining to Whitewater had been moved out of Foster’s office by White House aides after his death. Were the records of Hillary Clinton’s work for the McDougals’ failing savings and loan among them? And where were the records now?

Her legal work for the S&L seemed minimal. But prosecutors could not be sure because they never could seem to find her time sheets documenting what services she had provided to McDougal.

The missing billing records became the Rosetta Stone of Whitewater. Congress wanted them, as did Starr’s office.

Then one day in early January 1996, out popped the records from the White House family residence. The pile of computer printouts detailed her work for the McDougals’ failing S&L in the mid-1980s. A Clinton staffer said she had found the printouts stashed in a box in a storage room.

Prosecutors were furious. They had issued a subpoena for the billing records 18 months earlier. The prosecutors summoned Hillary Clinton, making her the only first lady to appear before a federal grand jury.

The billing records did not present a pretty picture regarding Hillary Clinton. They showed that she drafted a real estate document regulators later said had misled bank examiners. Prosecutors concluded that McDougal and others had used her legal work to conceal unlawful activity.

Had she obstructed the investigation by hiding the billing records? Had the records been removed from Foster’s office after his suicide? Neither prosecutors nor Congress were able to answer the questions.

She said she did not know where the billing records had been and that she could not recall the work she had done for the S&L 10 years earlier.

Prosecutors concluded they did not have enough to prove that she was a knowing participant in the criminal conduct by McDougal or others."

There are many questions still unanswered that needs to be brought into the light of day about how those records ended up in the White House.

Also Fascist Nazi Propagandist Rush Limpballs and others encouraged Republicans in Texas to vote for Hillary so she could win the Primary and bloody up both her and Obama during the long nomination fight that would ensue.

The Republicans know that Hillary would be an easier opponent to beat in the General Election and questions like I brought up above would once again be in the media spotlight along with many others that could swing the vote there way.

God Bless.

Flatus, he personally picked that committee because that was his intellectual inclination. He was there before he decided to run for President. Given the importance of the Committee, why not give it up? Because at first he thought it would look good on his resume. Now he doesn't put it on his resume. This is responsible. Obama's missing in action means the Committee hasn't had a single meeting. Smart for national security? Even Biden won't defend Obama on this one.

Even Hillary has more positions on the matters I outlined. Read her policy statements before the Armed Services Committee. Given Obama's rants over Afghanistan, his advisors like Lake and Rice, the fact these questions have come up before, why should I not hold Obama to a bar higher than the one I set for myself? And I am in no way an expert. Come on dude. Obama touts his years on the Counsel of Foreign Affairs. He does know exactly what I am asking and does not utter an answer because either his pandering will get blasted by the wonks, or his answers will refute the pandering he has made his campaign. The questions I ask force him into the open. Any retard knows NATO has dropped the ball in Afghanistan. Canada and France are getting near their limit of patience while Obama blasts GWB. God Forbid he support Gates on NATO. Why should America take all the responsibility in Afghanistan? And given Obama's graduate thesis, I rather doubt Obama doesn't have a postion on several questions I asked.

For instance, the price and amount of what Farc was trying to buy point to enriched urnaium. Obama knows that and so does McCain.

LL...

If you didn't read them then you are unaware that they control of all Government, Local, State and Federal.

They also remove Congress from any role in Government.

Read them then give my your comments.

God Bless.

I remember the day Hillary showed up to testify at that kangaroo Grand Jury! She was wearing a "dragon lady" black cape, and she ROCKED!!

Go Hillary!!

(that's how you handle it anon. not being scared of it)

This should get everyone's attention:

"Hillary Has Narrow 30,657 Lead In The Popular Vote"

at the very least...the article has an interesting proposal for FL and MI do-over...I like it actually.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-fleetwood/hillary-has-narrow-30657_b_90318.html

Anon...the document I read said one of the directives was: "Ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three seperate branches of government."

That's good enough for the girls I go with.

Besides...just relax, my friend. People who really want to plan coups do it with guns, not namby-pamby laws. So that's why I actually find the existence of this document reassuring rather than ominous. Thanks for turning me on to it.

That is, the Counsel of Foreign Relations....

http://www.cfr.org/

Maybe he should visit it some time, he obviously avoids all their headlines. Just check out the implications of the "moderate victory" in Pakistan. I see the Columbia problem is front and center.

So Flatus, your theory doesn't hold water.

Here's a part from the second link.
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The directive issued May 9 makes no attempt to reconcile the powers created there for the National Continuity Coordinator with the National Emergency Act. As specified by U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 34, Subchapter II, Section 1621, the National Emergency Act allows that the president may declare a national emergency but requires that such proclamation "shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register."

A Congressional Research Service study notes that under the National Emergency Act, the President "may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens."

The CRS study notes that the National Emergency Act sets up congress as a balance empowered to "modify, rescind, or render dormant such delegated emergency authority," if Congress believes the president has acted inappropriately.

NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 appears to supersede the National Emergency Act by creating the new position of National Continuity Coordinator without any specific act of Congress authorizing the position.

NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 also makes no reference whatsoever to Congress. The language of the May 9 directive appears to negate any a requirement that the President submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists, suggesting instead that the powers of the executive order can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.

Homeland Security spokesperson Russ Knocke affirmed that the Homeland Security Department will be implementing the requirements of NSPD-51/HSPD-20 under Townsend's direction.

The White House had no comment.
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For your reading enjoyment.

God Bless.

Max,

Fischer, who is a minority staff member of the Foreign Relations Committee, said something as major as NATO’s role in Afghanistan would typically be held before the full Foreign Relations Committee, rather than Obama’s European subcommittee.

In fact, the Foreign Relations Committee held a hearing on Afghanistan on Jan. 31, 2008, and NATO was a part of the discussion. Obama attended a Democratic debate in California that day. Clinton is not on the committee.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/379/

Gotta run ..later

LL...

Anon...the document I read said one of the directives was: "Ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three seperate branches of government."

Under control of the President and the Department of Homeland Security.
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Besides...just relax, my friend. People who really want to plan coups do it with guns, not namby-pamby laws. So that's why I actually find the existence of this document reassuring rather than ominous. Thanks for turning me on to it.

Don't forget that Hitler didn't use guns either until he took total control of Germany. He took control through the laws he had passed that gave him the legal authority to take over the Country.

God Bless.

Don't forget that Hitler didn't use

A bit of a puff up on the resume (who is not guilty of that) but for the most part...Hillary's foreign policy resume checks out...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/06/clinton.foreign.fact/index.html#cnnSTCText

Now that O' foreign policy adviser has come out and said he doesn't have any experience and CNN has found that she did actually participate in the things she said she participated in - in some cases - Ireland - pretty substitutively...what's he going to do now?

Any ideas?

Anon...I'm done on this subject after this post. I mainly am just trying to be polite and inclusive because I know this stuff is so important to you.

But look at yourself, man. You're obsessing! You're turning yourself into a wreck! None of this stuff means jack if the shit really hits the fan. Do you think people are going to really come stumbling out of their fallout shelters and saying..."Quick, somebody find that CRS report that explained how NSPD51 really supersedes the National Emergency Act."

No. That's not how it happens. What will happen is, we will either continue to be Americans or we will not. Nobody's going to be looking in Section 4, subparagraph three for the answer to that question. This stuff is all just necessary boilerplate.

Now if you'll excuse me, my black helicopter is waiting.

Anon-P

I know it looks pretty scary and when it first came out it was vetted like no tomorrow. but the fact is, this Emergency Order has been processed and sign by all presidents since Nixon. It new to us because we have never had so much access to public information.

The only New addition is Homeland Security. But all in all, it gives the President more power to bypasses FEMA and make an emergency decission.

We should have been able to activate the US Navy in Corpus Christi, Tx. Only an hour from Orleans within minutes instead of a week. This order streamlines those things.

Good for us and what an education.

What is Obama's connection with this William Ayers. Here is a NY Times piece on this guy. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63

Actually, Anon, if you read your history you know that Hitler's main weapon was neither laws nor guns. It was his political charisma and ability to mesmerize large crowds with his fervent rhetoric about a brighter future for downtrodden Germany.
Long live Barbarossa!!!

Here's another link you might like to read as it title is....

Bush Outlaws War Protest -
Citizens Face Full Asset Seizure
From Dave Livingston
7-20-7

Here's the link...

http://www.rense.com/general77/asset.htm

Enjoy.

God Bless.

Will have to read your posts later. Great to see Craig was referenced on Andrew Sullivan's blog. Go Craig!

www.andrewsullivan.com

Bumpersticker sighting today:

DRAFT COLLEGE REPUBLICANS

For instance ANDES 2020 present one view on how to approach South America. It does not discount terrorism or Hugo's insanity. It present ideas that would be hard to impliment under Hugo's regime, but the general thrust has some merit. Others argue that narco-terror deserves strong support and that by-passing regimes to distribute money would be difficult. In any case, Obama knows about these views and others that lean more to the Right. Still, FARC is a terror group that takes hostages and distrubutes drugs. Security does not trump foreign aid. Obama suggests poverty is a human rights abuse and has also said human rights trumps national security (except in Iran, Syria, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Darfur, Somalia or ANYWHERE Bush has focused).

There is little reason why Obama would refrain from commenting on Columbia having brought up South America recently. Perhaps his hidden deal is to actually pull the rug from under Columbia, trash more Free Trade agreements, recognize FARC and give hostile regimes more US dollars as they denounce us Gringos. Now Obama doesn't want the Carter comparisons so he keeps quiet, even if enriched uranium is mentioned. And Hugo has lots of uranium. From the report summary over at CFR:

"The United States spends approximately $700 million per year in the Andean region, but this Commission report concludes that current U.S. policy--focused narrowly on “drugs and thugs” in the Andes--cannot achieve U.S. regional goals of democracy, prosperity, and security. Andes 2020 offers bold new recommendations to recalibrate U.S. policy to better meet its objectives.

The Commission hopes to redress what it considers to be a major weakness of current U.S. policy as embodied in Plan Colombia and the Andean Counter-drug Initiative: an overly narrow focus on counternarcotics and security issues, and the relative absence of complementary, comprehensive, regionally oriented strategies. The report calls not for more resources, but for a readjustment of U.S. financial and political commitments to sustain American engagement beyond PlanColombia’s expiration in 2005.

The report puts forth three objectives to rectify current policy: first, the need to more equitably distribute political and economic resources and power in each country, with a commitment to strategic rural land reform; second, the importance of greater participation by the international community on a range of diplomatic, political, economic, social, security, and humanitarian issues; and third, the recognition that regional problems require regional approaches and that greater cooperation among the Andean countries is essential. Determined action on these three strategic objectives will, over time, accomplish sustainable progress toward political, economic, and security goals that a policy focused mainly on supply-side counterdrug efforts cannot achieve."

Of course in the meantime, supporting allies and standing up to crazy Lefties as Chavez found out from his own people, is a good idea, yes? Laptop shows Chavez blamed his rebel associations with his political defeat. No, the people of South America don't want war, terrorism, narco-terrorists.

Here is another story about this William Ayers guy.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html

Mirror mirror...

Actually it was the Clinton campaign who compared Obama to Ken Star and Obama responded back in kind.

Get your facts straight.

God Bless.

LL...

I know that you and many others don't think well of me and that's your right. This is the last I will also bring this up just so you also remember that Hitler got rid of the judges that didn't agree with him and installed judges who would uphold his laws.

GWB has done the same thing.

That's it for me, think what you like. However if I'm right and not wrong than we are all F*cked. Remember that.

God Bless.

invoking means calling up the image not necessarily by name and isn't that what Obama was doing?

"Drudging" up all the lies of the Ken Starrt era...and of course the Clinton's called him out.

What about Obama's use of Harry and Louise?

The first campaign to use Republican talking points is the Obama campaign and it was awhile back.

Anon-P

Well I'm still a fan. Keep it up! ;0)

Timing of this is not so great. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8886.html

Oly North, money for drugs for guns. Iran-Contra remember that? The United States was a Drug Dealer to supply the Taliban with weapons to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.

Or maybe it drugs for money for guns. Anyway its old news right?

God Bless.

Me too Anon. I don't disparage you at all. That's why I was trying to acknowledge your posts...sted of just blowing them off or writing you off?

It's just that I don't agree with you on this stuff. Fair enough?

MI and Fl options
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8869.html

Hi Sheila...

I think they should really read the links I posted. Like the German people they are complacent and don't realize or believe the danger our country is in.

Democracy is very fragile and we need to be ever watchful if it is to continue being a Democracy.

Take care my friend and...

God Bless.

FUTURE PRESIDENTS OF THE US

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/myseattlepix/photo.asp?photoID=1009285

About the so-called do-over votes--

1. Who pays for these events? Believe the estimate for Fl approx. $15-20 million.

2. What happens to those voters who already voted?
Is the assumption that all those voters will again go out to vote?

Agree all future democratic primaries must be voted only by democrats, stop including reps & i's in the count. If a state allows open primaries, then dem rules should proportionally allocate delegates by % reps & i's v. % of dems. voting in those states.

Max-You are so right about Hillary having more democratic votes, but most rank & file dems have no
idea that is tue, why should they, the media keeps repeeating obama has more votes, more states, she can't overtake him.

Anon-I believe that opinions such as you hold should not be dismissed out of hand. They may seem extreme to many of us, but we need some to be vigilant & remind us of the possibilities. Lest we all become to complacent.

Anon,

You are right. most are not aware of just how much of the Bill of Rights have been negated by Bush and his Patriot Act among other quiet slip throughs.

LL...

No problem at all. They should read those links very thoroughly, just as they should read the MCA of 2006 along with the Patriot Act.

And don't forget that just recently the FBI testified that they had been abusing NSL {National Security Letters} since they were given the authority it issue them.

How many innocent Americans have had there privacy invaded by the FBI since they first got the authority to issue NSL's?

That is the question and also what did they do with the information they got?

Did they destroy all that personal information if the party was innocent or did they store it in a data base?

Just a thought, that's all.

God Bless.

Rezko, Auchi, Zbig, Huntington, Malley, Powers, Rice, Khadili, Avery, Obama's Pastor and others are people Obama has associated with (one indirectly or did he ever meet Auchi?) or actually welcomed as advisors. Of course, they are all very different people and I am not saying Rice is anything like Auchi, but Obama supporters say this is guilt by association. LOL

Do the American people have a right to judge someone by the friends and advisors he keeps? At least Bill punched out Morris and regretted his Rich pardon. Yes, people get around and sometimes associations are formed that do not mean a particular person should be tarnished by a casual friendship, but don't we have a right to know how extensive a friendship is? In 2002 Rezko was giving Khadili money. How tight is this circle and what does that say about Obama if he was clueless? And how many really believe he was clueless? Most of those I mentioned are either advisors or log time buddies. Zbig goes way back with Obama as does Khadili and Avery. Every day Americans hear these names, the more they want to know. This cannot be good for Obama who is spending more time distancing himself from these people. He seems to have many uncles who say crazy things. Shall we say Obama has given new meaning to "Crying Uncle?"

Hillary is far from perfect, but I thought Obama was. JFK was far from perfect but what backed up his rhetoric was policy and record. Can you imagine Obama cutting taxes or going to Defon 4 with anyone other than Musharraf? Words mean the most when backed up with policy and a desire to reach out to the other side. I don't mean Iran as much as I mean the Republicans. Everytime Hillary was civil to Republicans, KosWorld blasted her a traitor. She has always held that ground and for that, I respect her more than Obama on the issue of bipartisanship. The Clintons did move to center and Obama thinks moving to the Left paves the way for greater national unity. Look at how much his buddy Duval in Mass has accomplished with a largely liberal population.

I thought I heard that Bill Clinton was not out on the stump anymore. Well he is check out the live video on CNN.com He is about to talk in Laramie, WY.

They should never had allowed people to vote if they were not to be counted. By allowing the votes, there is a passive message saying, "vote, it's your right - these will count because as Americans you have voting rights."

If they had said no voting period - then the fight would have been earlier and more direct. Then the DNC could have faced vote suppression charges and be left to explain how they are the party of change....yeah here's some change for you.....You have no right to vote because of where you live.

Bill is speaking, just not so much to reporters. He is staying on message. ( like a good boy )

OBAMA & AUCHI

"The handshake heard round the world took place in April, 2004, at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Chicago between Barack Obama and a mysterious London billionaire named Nadhmi Auchi.

Until James Bone and Dominic Kennedy asserted the handshake took place in their February 25, 2008, Times Online article, "Barack Obama embarassed by billionaire link to home deal," the meeting between these two political actors was unconfirmed. However now that the report has been published in London, where the libel laws are draconian enough that the Mr. Auchi and his esteemed media lawyer Alisdair Pepper have the power and means to severely damage the Rupert Murdoch News Corp empire by going after the Times if this report is false, it is safe to assume that the handshake is useful fact. "

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25193

From Jane Hamsher at Firedoglake

will say, however, that the Clinton campaign has been much more open when it comes to letting people ask tough questions of them. Something like what happened the other night -- when Obama general counsel Bob Bauer got on a Clinton conference call and hammered Wolfson -- could never happen in reverse. I've asked to be on the Obama calls and they've never allowed it, because I certainly would've liked to ask similar questions of them about the Harry & Louise ads, so points to Clinton for transparency.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/06/clinton-campaign-on-3-am-ad/

Michigan should have a revote, however for Florida to do one I believe that the Legislator should pay for it.

After all it was Der Fuhrer's brother Jeb Eichmann Bush who caused the Florida problem by moving the Primary date.

Another Nazi screwing our Democracy.

And by the way we no longer here from George Jr. Jeb's son now do we. Why isn't he on the front lines in Iraq.

And don' t forget his Druggie Daughter who got special treatment in court because of who her father was.

God Bless.

Sorry for the duplicate. It did not go through for a long time. Probably a filter for sh*t.

What a sore loser. Clinton won and she didn't win on a lie.

You are just a the biggest sour grape ever.

You had all these big predictions for Ohio and you were wrong and rather than graciously admit it --there is the ever ready Obama excuse --.I wuz robbed

Well I was in NE Ohio for several days and people preferred Clinton and this little NAFTA dustup had nothing to do with it. She had great endorsements and the only person who lied about NAFTA was Obama and he got caught out.

Here's what happened with Obama's NAFTA statements

http://www.slate.com/id/2185753/entry/0/

he said it--he just took it back after it became public

Karolenna...

I really don't like to get into bashing someone else's choice for the Presidency, however if anyone says anything about Hillary they are {a} sexist or {b} personally attacked.

Or they attack Obama and use innuendo and smears or disparage him.

All this does is give talking points to use against whomever the nominee is come November {once again that is if we have elections}.

I have tried not to do this but it gets harder and harder when the smears continue constantly. This is how Republicans act and it looks more and more like there are a lot of Republicans pretending to be for Hillary to cause dissent here on Craigs blog.

This is it for me now and I won't bring up either candidate anymore for awhile. All I know and I feel very confident that if this continues the party will be split come November {don' t forget my qualifier} when it comes time to vote and it will cost the Democratic Party the election and possibly some seats in the House and Senate we may have been able to pick up.

We will still pick up some, but I feel we will lose a lot more we could have won.

Take care and ...

God Bless.

"CNN just had a item on the Rezko trial and say BHO name has just been brought up in court.
BHO walking away from reporters when questioning about it isn't going to make it go away.. "

Maybe now is a good time to bring up the corrupt contributors for Clinton. I have an archive of so many corrupt donors (and the sites to prove it) and I'm ready to post them. Even terror suspects!! She is no one to call the kettle black, to say the least.

And, shall I remind you:

http://capitalfax.blogspot.com/2008/01/now-its-clintons-and-rezko.html

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/25/the-rezko-clinton-connection/

Want more?

"Obama was spotted urinating on Clinton's limo in Texas. Shocked onlookers heard him scream: "wassmatta? Never seed a black man?""

http://taylormarsh.com/

Posted by: GRODO | March 6, 2008 7:56 PM

GORDO.....Just plain tasteless and rude and low handed.....

You have a right to post, but lets just keep it the way you had it, not this low handed !@#$

"But it gets more interesting where Goolsbee is concerned or at least how Canada saw the conversation with him. Luiza Ch. Savage has the full memo summarizing the Goolsbee conversation, via Ben Smith. Reading it one thing becomes clear, in my opinion. This was no off hand conversation. In it, Obama is described as the "least protectionist," something that Canada's conservative government would appreciate, and that Goolsbee also related that Obama was not "stressed out" by Canada. It's also clear that one of the reasons for the exchange with Goolsbee was because Obama was coming off of a string of wins and the Canadians wanted to get a feel for what his policies and platform would look like and Obama's top economist was glad to oblige. Political arrogance comes to mind, which ended up coming back to bite Obama. One section reads: This meeting was somewhat illustrative of how the campaign is faced with this challenge, providing evidence that there is more work to be done to refine messaging and positions, particularly with respect to foreign policy issues, even within North America. Again, not evidence of an off hand conversation.

But the assumption that Clinton's team was also involved has still not been proven. The campaign has given the Canadians full permission to release the name of anyone they know from the Clinton campaign who was involved in any conversation like the one in which Goolsbee engaged. If the Canadians have a name and proof of a conversation from anyone in Clinton's camp, that's exactly what should be done"

Lobbyists on Obama’s ’08 payroll
By Alexander Bolton and Brittney Moraski
Posted: 12/20/07 07:59 PM [ET]
Three political aides on Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-Ill.) payroll were registered lobbyists for dozens of corporations, including Wal-Mart, British Petroleum and Lockheed Martin, while they received payments from his campaign, according to public documents.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/lobbyists-on-obamas-08-payroll-2007-12-20.html

and Obama doesn't take money from lobbyists just from their wives..talk about sleazy
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/09/pacs_and_lobbyists_aided_obamas_rise/

GORDO...

Now we know your a racist by that last post you made.

Racist belong in Hell along with the current administration.

"he said it--he just took it back after it became public "

Graham Cracker, Yes he spoke before he had all the facts, but that does make him a liar. Even Pat Buchanan (a Republican if I need to remind you) even says he is certain Obama did not know the entire story and it caught him off guard. At least Obama is authentic!

Did you read my thread? Probably not. Or, do you not have video clip capability. Web TV maybe?

Sheila Hussein the Chef Nun -------------------------------

GRODO

Notice the spelling - not a typo. Not my post.

"Based on Hillary's "commander in chief" remark today, the only fitting way to refer to her from now is "That Bitch""

Agreed, but that's what I have been calling her all along. Or, witch!

Folks, time to go back to tv for the night! This gets old (and boring) after a while.

Obama is not authentic
what a load of crap.

He says he doesn't take money from lobbyists--he just has them on his payroll and takes money from their families.

He gets caught saying something and changes his mind cuz it gets him in trouble and that's authentic
we must have different idea of what authentic is or is part of the it's only ok if Obama does it excuse

Just showing how each campaign can LOOK Dirty by the smallish square miles of Inside the Beltway Kathrine....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/24/14518/2213/544/463202

Mark Penn's lobbying shop is headed by John McCain's top adviser
by JedReport
Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 08:14:08 PM PST
Let's say that the Democratic nomination battle had been winnowed down to two candidates, and that one of those two candidates (let's call him Barack Obama) was a huge favorite to win. Meanwhile, the GOP nominee has been all but decided. (We'll call him John McCain.)

Now let's imagine that Obama's opponent (we'll call her Hillary Clinton) was desperately slinging every piece of mud she could at him without regard to whether or not her attacks would help John McCain.

Finally, imagine that you found out that Clinton's chief strategist was not only her campaign's leading advocate for these attacks -- but was also the CEO of a public affairs firm whose DC-based lobbying subsidiary was headed up by John McCain's top adviser.

Would you say this posed at least the appearance of a conflict of interest for the strategist in question?

What would you think if you found out that it's all true?

LOL Woops...

Oh GORDO...so sorry. This happened once before to a guy named Fritz. So sorry. ;0)

GORDO...

I wish I could believe you, however you always use Taylor Marsh and its not too difficult to misspell your name if one types to fast and don' t notice the mistake or misspells ones name deliberately so one can use plausible deny ability.

*Ding!* End of round 1. Go to your corners and watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlaruattvgs

The point is --obama claims to have no truck with lobbyists and yet he does everything to skirt the statement but still get the benefit.

The campaign says one thing but does another,.
that's the fact. It isn't taking something out of context
the context is he says no lobbyists but they are everywhere.

Senator Clinton is in the Jesse Unruh school
if you can't take their money and still vote against them you don't belong there.

Obama is just a liar about this issue and you cannot spin it away.

And the same can definitely be said about the Clintons...just saying that how you spin it, ain't necesarily what is happening.....

Watching K.O. and it seems that Hillary prefers Republican John McCain in the White House instead of a Democrat with the name of Senator Obama if it can' t be her.

And coming up on K.O. the Canadian Story and Hillary Clinton about NAFTA.

God Bless.

Senator Clinton has never denied the role of lobbyists or that they contribute to her campaign.

Obama has denied relationships with lobbysts and I just posted two links that show that is a false claim by Obama

Gordo

It's bad enough you are a constant shill for Taylor Marsh, but that remark is so far over the line it is living in Antarctica.

You should be ashamed of yourself for even daring to utter anything that gross and racist.

Gordo,

I apoligize if as you say it wasn't you. Whoever it was should go away and never return. That was hideous.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_facts_about_nafta-gate.html

fact check on the Obama statements about NAFTA and the Canadian govt's attempt to bail him out.

Karolenna

I'm sure your keyboard is sticky from the cheeto dust.

kgc...

The Clinton NAFTA story is breaking now and is being talked about on K.O. right now.

It was the Clintons who told Canada not to worry about what she says about NAFTA.

I'm sure it will be all over the news tomorrow.

God Bless.

anon-paranoid ---------------------------

It's a "frame-up". Maybe Craig can check the E-mail address of that post.

How Obama like to say --we did but so did senator clinton ..

denials from her side

http://www.570news.com/news/international/article.jsp?content=w0306117A

GORDO,

Whoever did that to you ought to be taken out behind a woodshed and educated....

Jack...

It will take a lot more to convince me since you can change your name if you comment anonymously.

And if you take into account all his previous comments it seems like something he would do.

Sorry, until and unless he can prove it wasn't him I'm not convinced.

God Bless.

God Bless.

How Obama like to say --we did but so did senator clinton ..

denials from her side

http://www.570news.com/news/international/article.jsp?content=w0306117A

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | March 6, 2008 8:30 PM

LOLOL YOu crack me up! That is a moot point if I ever saw one.....6 to 1 and half a dozen to the other....so goes campaigns and politics!

GORDO...

If Craig can confirm it wasn't you than I'll apologize, until than I will withhold any further judgment.

Anon wrote: "The Clinton NAFTA story is breaking now and is being talked about on K.O. right now."

I look forward to reading the Memo when the AP finds it

:-D

Good night everyone.

I have a migraine and can't seem to lick it. Have a wonderful night!

Sheila...I'll say goodnight, as long as you promise to just be "Sheila"...instead of "Hussein the Chef Nun" anymore..

It's just kind of silly.

Chef Nun Sheila

It is not the same
He did it and then tried to say he didn't when he got caught he said well I may have done it and if I did she did it too.

All well and good except she didn't do it. so it is not the same. The Canadians said there is no record of a meeting with Clinton...plenty on the obama rep meeting

It's not the same. The Canadians completely clear Clinton. They bailed Obama out.

Sheila
sorry to hear about the migraine...they are awful

Maxtrue

About your 6:38 post with the comment "Any retard knows...". Is there a good reason you're still using the word "retard"? As the parent of an adult who has Down Syndrome I would ask that you think twice before you use that word as you don't know how many people reading this blog might take offense to your use of it. Thanks!

KGC

Regarding the NC primary. Called to see if independants can vote in the primary. You have to be registered as Unaffiliated - and can vote in the primary. The poll worker is required to ask you which party's ballot you want. Don't know if dems and repugs can choose which ballot they want. Will call tomorrow to find out.

Lard my Friend...oh my aching head.

I won't promise anything. (1) all of you know me well and so I am easily identifiable. (2) the Nun portion came from my "Friend" Patsi and I wear it with pride. (3) The Hussein notion is a national addition to title and moniker for our Candidate's middle name. I wear it with pride.

Good Night and sweet dreams. Now i will REALLY go take a pill. ;0)

LL...

Because of my job I will not use my real name, however Sheila knows my real name and I believe the reason why I won' t use it.

Just a thought for you.

God Bless.

Eider

Thanks so much for checking. With the Republican primary over, if they can cross over it will be a great opportunity for mischief imo.

Okay Sheila. That's all fine and precious. But just make sure you blame yourself the next time you get wound up in some controversy about who is a racist or who is not, based on real or imagined posts under fake names.
(Did he say "wasted energy?")

Sorry about your headache.

And....of course you all know my name is Sheila Stone... ;0) I have been vetted by so many government agencies, it does no good to hide.

And yes, i know who my good friend Anon-P is. Good night now. really.

LL...

Though I'm sure the NSA knows it since the telecom's have been spying on us all since before 9\11.

God Bless.

Dear Crawfords list dyslexics:

As you may have seen, the Obama peeing on Hillary's limo was a GRODO post.

And a clever one at that.

I don't know if GRODO is ever going to own up to that, but good way to lighten the list tonight.

Love,
dgo

Ok......One more.....LOL

LL...

Though I'm sure the NSA knows it since the telecom's have been spying on us all since before 9\11.

God Bless.

Posted by: anon-paranoid | March 6, 2008 8:47 PM

POST OF THE NIGHT ;0)

now good night!

Thank you Sheila... LOL...LOL...LOL...MAO.

God Bless.

Why She Isn't Dead (Bob Novak)

"The scope of Hillary Clinton's latest resurrection can be appreciated only in light of the elaborate preparations that had been made for her expeditious burial. That she is very much alive can be attested to her true grit but also the revelation Barack Obama is not the miraculously perfect candidate after all.

Assuming that Sen. Clinton at best would eke a victory in Ohio Tuesday to end her long losing streak, prominent Democrats were organizing a major private intervention. A posse of party leaders would plead with her to end her campaign and recognize Obama as the Democratic standard-bearer. To buttress this argument, several elite unelected super-delegates (including several previous Clinton supporters) were ready to come out for Obama. Those plans went on hold Tuesday night.

Democratic leaders feared but never really thought possible until now: a contested national convention in Denver the last week of August. "

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25364

Fake Names! Be Gone! No Matter How Funny They May Seem In The Moment! They're Stupid!

Over and Out.

Sheila

Whoever did that should be barred from the blog. We have enough fuss around here just using our own names even with the rash of changeable nomenclature.

That was a smear of someone we may not always agree with, but certainly shouldn't be accused wrongly.
Whoever did it, is capable of anything.

Sheila

Whoever did that should be barred from the blog. We have enough fuss around here just using our own names even with the rash of changeable nomenclature.

That was a smear of someone we may not always agree with, but certainly shouldn't be accused wrongly.
Whoever did it, is capable of anything.

Anon...I've got to give you this much: You've always been just good old "anon-paranoid"

I love you for that.

Don't go changin'

Good Lord.. what a day on here!

I have a novel idea.. instead of bashing each other's candidates, why don't we talk issues? oh I know..because they both espouse dem issues. Let's see.. ok.. we can talk about how Salem's witch is going to win. No--wait-- we can talk about how dishonest Obama is.

For Pete's sake... lets go back to talking about music and tv... there hasnt been a new idea on here for months.. its just rehashing the same stuff.

And don't tell me that one camp is nastier than the other. This is just so stooooopid. Why don't we all set out sites on that idiot across the aisle who thinks repubs are doing just fine!?!?!?

Read a Democrats most wanted dream in this posting of mine called President Signs Mass Arrest Order.

http://america-weeps.blogspot.com/2007/09/president-signs-mass-arrest-order.html

How I along with many other Americans I'm sure long for this day.

God Bless.

Jamie...I agree totally. Once everyone gets to turn their screen name into some sort of personal bauble that changes at their latest whim (Sheila? Are you still logged on?) it's just anarchy that leads to the kind of problem we had tonight.

Jamie
There was just a court ruling in California that might be helpful to the young woman in Florida you were trying to help.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/06/BAJDVF0F1.DTL

The courts ruled home schooling parents must have a credential.

Maxtrue

In your 6:38 pm post you said "Any retard knows.." Help me to understand why you are still comfortable using the word retard in public in the way you have. As the parent of an adult daughter who has Down Syndrome I would ask you to think twice before using that term as you don't know how many people reading this blog might have family members or friends who are sensitive to the derogatory use of that word.

Jamie: the GRODO post was a joke. When I saw it, I examined the poster's name closely and realized it was a put-on. What's more, it was plainly outrageous.

But maybe it did not seem like "news that never happened" to some of you. I dunno.

Don't know who GRODO is, but it ain't a Fritz type.

And it is not,
yer friend,
dgo

GORDO...

Is that the same Robert Novak who committed Treason when he outed a NOC spy and the Front Company Brewster, Jennings and Associates?

If it is he's a low life piece of scumbag sh*t head who deserves to be tried for Treason and face a firing squad when found guilty.

No appeals for this S.O.B.

Ty...you must not have got the memo. Long, elaborate screen-names are, like, soooooo pre-Ohio.

ok.. i ditched the hat.. but what i said still goes.. lol

Let's enjoy some Republican discomfort

making fun of the gov of NC
http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2008/03/06/sanford-endorses-mccain/

Ty...I love you.

I'm just a cranky old man, but that said...I'm just trying to keep track of everyone here. One name per person is enough!

governor of SC grrr

awww.. LL.. i love you too..

ya want my hat?? it's one size fits all..

oh.. and this blog and comments section really should be a novak-free zone.. if ya look up the word 'maroon' in the dictionary...........

the post was signed Grodo not Gordo

that's it.. lets make fun of republicans!! it's SO much better, I promise..

46 Republican house seats in trouble

http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=12490

Ya know those Vermont exit polls were interesting... I wonder just how many state voters rank the war right up there with the economy? I'll bet its a larger number than those numb-nut pundits think... this is the reason the House is going to flip.

I'm with the people of Brattleboro..arrest Bush and Cheney now.

http://ledaro.blogspot.com/2008/03/resolution-in-brattleboro-vermont.html

kind makes me want to move to Brattleboro

vermonters are interesting ppl...and there are many many military towns (not in the SC sense.. in the sense that many kids go into the military from Vermont towns.. particularly the national guard).. the kids' parents are really pissed off!

Novak's article was OK. Hillary really did "Dodge a Bullet" on Tuesday.

Don't be quoting novak, gordo...

yeah Gordo listen to Ty. She may be little but she will hunt you down.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

This is actually MORE organized than where I went here, in Dallas. The guy who's saying Hillary is just like the woman here who was saying Obama. Quite the chaos & confusion.

Texas Dem Caucus

http://patterns2.blogspot.com/

tt

Ouch...ha-ha-ha-ha-ha - How...inspirational of them...

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside-US-poll-battle-as.3854371.jp

"Samantha Power [Obama foreign policy aide] told The Scotsman Mrs Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from Mr Obama.

"We f***** up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win.

"She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark."

:) doots.. good to see ya

the house's majority is tiny, bri.. that's why they can't get much done.. with a good majority and a dem in the whitehouse.. just think of the possibilities...

good to see you too Tylenol I gotta go lay down for a while.

you are in charge.

Yo soy un demócrata amarillo del perro.

yo soy Hussein Horsedooty!

in charge? ohhhh no..

Well...running a "perfect" campaign was another criteria folks on this blog decided Obama should be President.

This week we see:

Obama campaign fibs about talking to the Canadians and forgets or doesn't know there is a paper trail. [oops]

Obama has a little baby fit when asked hard questions at a press conference and stomps out of the room. [mature]

Loses 3 out of 4 states [bummer]

In response Obama's foreign policy adviser says he's not ready to answer the 3a.m. phone conversation. [ouch]

Frustrated another Obama foreign policy aide tells a reporter that Hillary is a monster. [smart]

Yep...perfect campaign...going to make a perfect President...when he grows up.

:-D

Sorry when we get to the general...I'll start on the Republicans...till then...I'm having too much fun bangin' on poor old O'.

tylenol ----------

Novak was one of many who had written Hillary off - she was finished. It was great that Novak and others got Tuesday so wrong - of course, some of that talk was an effort to influence events.

here's the view from up here..

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iwHQgV22Z56X9Spkgt--77XbLpBA

GORDO...

Novak is a Traitor who committed Treason. Drop him from your comments.

He's not welcome here as far as I'm concerned. If others want to hear anything from him or his columns I'll leave it up to them to decide to tell you to drop him or post his Treasonous articles here.

sorry bri.. i used the wrong word : x

Now for some light hearted comedy.

Read it at below link.

Barney White House First Dog - Executed

http://america-weeps.blogspot.com/2007/01/barney-white-house-first-d_116962423338530541.html

This was one of my better posts and I had to redo it from scratch as I had problems with blogger and lost all my comments on the first post I did on it.

God Bless.

Powers, Malley, Rice, Zbig, and Democrats should trust Obama's judgement? Powel would have a tougher time with these people than with the Bush administration. Have any of you Obama supporters really bothered to research who these people are?

Now for someone who spent time at CFR, what excuse does Obama have and how long before the press really starts tearing into the team Obama has personally assembled?

Secret: McCain hopes Obama wins. That's why he and Bush attack Obama hoping the Democrats rally behind him, first thinking Hillary was the one to drop.

Again who thinks Obama had no clue that Auchi's money didn't help him seal his house deal? As Nader said, before the campaign Obama's pro-Israel stance was just the opposite. By the time Florida votes again, if their delegates aren't simply seated, Jewish voters (even the non LIKUDITES...LOL) will vote 80% Hillary. And also perhaps Hispanics, the elderly and the uneducated...LOL. I thought the rich were smart.

Ordinary politicans make mistakes, but the Messiah? Infallibility is a hard cross to bare.

...and I shall ditch 'reid' (the middle name of my preferred candidate...John Reid Edwards), though I'm concerned if there's anyone on this list who couldn't figure out that 'harbor reid woman' was actually harborwoman....

And Maxtrue...I hate to pile on...but as the parent of a child with autism who may be smarter than most of us, but is often mistaken as someone who is not very bright, please lose the word 'retard' from your vocabulary. It doesn't speak well of your intellect.

Before I retreat again to lurker status...because I simply will NOT engage in all the BS that's going on here right now...let me plead with all who are into name-calling over who's better...Clinton or Obama...please stop!

harborwoman...

Hi harbor, how you been doing? Yeah, I succumbed to a little mud flinging myself today after I got fed up with the constant smearing of Obama by some here.

I'm vented out right now so I decided to post a couple of my posts I've done for some lighthearted enjoyment.

If you get the time check them out and have some relief from the election stress.

Take care and ...

God Bless.

Here is another angle I hadn't thought of before:

"Mr Obama hopes to win this competition by invoking the spirit of John F. Kennedy. What he forgets, however, is that Kennedy was swept to power on the crest of the baby boom, when the largest group of voters was in its twenties. Today these boomers are in their sixties or seventies - and will not take kindly to the charge that Mr McCain is too old to be president. Given the high propensity to vote among the elderly, this election will not be decided by a baby boom but by a senility surge."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/article3492457.ece

If Powers lasts the week, Obama will look weak. If Malley stays he will become big news by Florida and speaking of Zbig news, he is a big problem too. But then how can you distance yourself from your foreign policy team as the world situations heat up. God Fordbid things get ugly and Obama makes some pandering pro-Israeli statement. The Press will ask why his stance goes against the policy records of his advisors. It is a joke waiting to happen and Obama is quite lucky, the world has been realtively calm and the media has been filtering out bad news,

I have mentione all this months ago here. My first few posts were about Powers, Malley, Zbig, and the deeper roots to Obama's positions. This will get ugly for Obama because his new sounding rhetoric has become old news. How many times can you generalize vague rhetoric? I bet Obama shows us. Or maybe he just starts calling Hillary a MONSTER. Yep, that's the ticket.

You know, I used to listen to this guy until mid-January when it became increasingly clear he is nothing more than an old Southren racist, and of course, supporting Hillary.

Susan Rice Says Obama Isn't Ready For 3 A.M. Phone

For those who have not seen this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TumIz2bajus

GORDO...

Tell the whole story. She says neither is Hillary. And until either of them are President they won' t be.

Why can' t you be honest? Don' t you know how to tell the truth or didn't your parents teach you any morals or values?

Just wondering.

Well, harbor woman, for you I will apologize. I was just trying to keep up with Samantha Powers. Actually, when I use the term "retard" I mean intelligent people who act like they are mentally disabled, not people with real and unfortunate problems. I would never call such a afflicted person retarded, just those who have the capablitiy to be quite smart.

And autistic people can do some things that blow me away.

As far as name calling, I have never resorted to calling Obama a monster or a liar etc. His advisors are fair game. The debate is real and not likely to go away. You sound like Jack Nicholson when he said to the Martian general "Can't we just get along?" Of course, the Martian vaporized him. Funny how the candidate of idealism has hit the roadblock of realism. Jefferson thought the French Revolution was just dandy until he was better informed and the bipartisanship he pledged to Adams was a ruse to attack him for years. Do a google and research who give Obama advise while his blogerfundies assault Hillary every day. Now Obama is plagerizing Starr...LOL Was MLK, JFK, Malcom X, Patrick enough? Next it will be travelgate and whether Hillary had Foster murdered. Ugly is as ugly does. Problem is that Hillary has had her vaccinations. Yes, attack the people of Ohio and expect them to vote Obama come November.

Thanks, anon...

Your degree of annoyance and venom re: your candidate is pretty light compared to some. I can't remember anything you've said that's offended me. I'm one of those who reads your posts, and hopes to God you're wrong...but am willing to hear what you have to say. Keep on posting, pal!

Anon
a little humor just for you
A handlesman animated cartoon

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-wh-nsawiretapping,0,1906650.flash

Jack

And again we have half truths. Hillary's campaign brought up Ken Star and the Obama campaign responded back.

God Bless.

Jack...

Saw it. I believe jamie posted that a few days ago and it is funny. Thanks for thinking of me.

God Bless.

Bill got those 3 am calls and guess who was sleeping next to him? And it wasn't Monica. Everyone knows Hillary advocated going after Serbia and even Zbig agreed. Who supported destroying Saddam's army in Desert Fox, Michelle? Who has met with European leaders in Europe and more Generals than Obama has? The list is long and Obama doesn't come close. Susan Rice got it half right and I think you owe Gordo an apology.

When asked what he would do as President if an American city was attacked, guess what Obama said?

Think JFK or Ronnie would have missed that answer? Shows where Obama's mind is at.

Susan Rice? LOL, google her and find the truth. She talks tough and does little. Liberia anyone? She can't even get Obama to defend Darfur. She fits in fine with Zbig, Malley and Powers. What a great team. EVen Burger makes them look bad. And Lake? Did he support going after Serbia? His finest moments were probably taking orders from Vance and Zbig.

addylu...

And whom might that be your talking about? I think I know, but I'd like to make sure.

God Bless.

anon-paranoid ------------------------

Susan Rice works for Obama - she knows Obama. Does not know Hillary.

Just got home and see that Hillary is wrapping herself in the arms of John McCain. If talking up the enemy isn't a clue that Hillary is out for herself and not for the Democratic Party, then what else do you need?

Susan Rice used to work for Bill. Didn't do much, or perhaps Bill was too much of a hawk.

maxtrue...

You sound like you would fit right in Der Fuhrer Bush's regime. Maybe you could take this persons old job. You know which one by this quote "Its a heck of a job your doing Brownie" as all of Der Fuhrer's cabinet are and appointments are incompetent.

God Bless.

Jesus, Wendy...that post about Kennedy being swept into power by baby boomers was the worst piece of journalism ever to be pasted into a TrailMix thread. It's just pure nonsense.
The first baby boomer was FOURTEEN years old in the Fall of 1960!
Many 24 year olds, born in 1936, were voting for the first time in 1960. Yes, they were born as Jesse Owens ran in Munich!
Eighteen year old voting came much, much later.
I wonder what jughead editor let this piece of nonsense pass through.

Appreciate the comments, Maxtrue. I'm generally not very thin-skinned about words, but many people are, and that one can really sting. Grieving over the loss of your child's fully functioning brain is a painful - and apparently lifelong, for me at least - event.

Just so you'll know, I caucused for Clinton in WA state, but will happily vote for either Clinton or Obama in the GE. I did read the Rolling Stone article about Obama's campaign organization today, and it's seriously impressive. Not sure if I'd have given away those secrets, if I'd been Obama or a member of his staff, but I suppose they'd eventually come to light, anyway. Or maybe it's just that, as I age, I'm so far behind on the use of technology that I"m easily impressed by what they've used the internet to accomplish.

maxtrue...

No wonder she's working for Obama. Maybe Bill tried to leave a stain on her dress and she rejected him and called him what he was, an adulter.

And maybe Hillary knew about it as well and encouraged his behavior. If thats so it don't say much about her does it?

God Bless.

Dex, you have a key! I think you're the only one here with one.

Usually it's me who's off on a tangent. But I don't mud sling in any case. Now I'm one of those ON topic.

Kewl!

tt

Yes lets talk about McCain. While he was a POW his wife stayed home and raised his children from what I understand.

When he was released and came home he dumped her and married for money. He was very loyal to his wife wasn't he?

God Bless.

Hi Maxtrue

Thanks - I prefer the middle as well - smart position for our country.

I just laugh at the Hussein thing...I see it on other blogs as well...everyone is doing it. They say to show support...I think it just gives credence to the whole "lemmings" notion.

Folks, we just do not know what Howard Dean and the governors and influential people will do about FL and MI yet...we don't even know (as Craig wrote, WHO the Super Delegates are yet, in some cases.
We just have to sit back and enjoy the commotion for a while.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Last year I saw a TV special about how Warren Buffet was giving virtually ALL his money to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and Gates was going to spend most of HIS money too, helping humanity.
Today we heard Buffet is worth 62 billion dollars, Gates 58.
What kind of goddamn sham was that "Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation" give-away? I don't get it...anybody got a clue to school me?

tt...

Hi tiptoe.

How you doing? Long time no see. Have you been doing anything with your blog lately. I have to admit its been awhile since I stopped in over there.

What's with the key as I see there's one by my name which I hadn't noticed before?

Well its almost time for me to hit the hay, but I'll try to stay up for awhile longer.

Take care and ...

God Bless.

No more feeding the absurd. Anon, you have serious mental problems that with therapy and medication might be cured. Still, it does not get the sympathy I feel for Harborwoman's child. Your comments never fail to be twisted and false. It is either the gutter or fantasy conspiracy. Keep living in your fantasy world, but leave me out of it.

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maxtrue...

Your the one who is always slamming Obama with innuendos and you just denigrated Susan Rice with your comment.

Than you bring up she worked for Bill. Now why would she work for Obama and not Hillary? Was it because Bill can't keep his hands off other woman?

And if Bill was as loose with his hands on other woman as been reported then Hillary must have known about it.

Don't say much about how she feels about being treated disrespectfully by Bill does it?

God Bless.

PS: Smears and innuendos can work both ways, can't they?

Maxtrue/maxfalse,

I came in ealier and confronted you about your attack on the lack of meetings of BO with respect to his Senate sub-committee. I just looked to see if you had a reply. F*ck No!
You just come in here with all your bellicose BS and glib nonsense and when put to task, you play the ole mis-direction/distraction card. I haven't taken the time to check all your other BS and that's what it is. So why don't you stfu or at least respond when challenged. otherwise don't waste our time.
Rez dog

Posted by: Rezdog 6:48 PM

anon-paranoid,

It must be really difficult carrying the banner of righteousness with almost no help from others.

I hope God, in Her wisdom, sees fit to reward you with a well deserved rest.

Yeah, lemmings are a good comparison. Not much getting through group think. You can show them what Powers, Malley and Zbig are all about, but it doesn't matter. Time for Colbert. Have a great evening and don't fret. The Obama machine has great technolgy, but substance and principle is running low. The Messiah is gonna run out of gas......

And he'll blame Bush and Hillary.

I love watching the new become truthiness and of course South Park airs a new one next Wends. Let's see if they have the balls to cartoon Obama.

Dexter
An article about the Buffet gift
It is 31 billion the payments are spread out over several years, memory is slipping here read the article
The payments start next year

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/13/us/13gates.html?_r=1&scp=5&sq=warren+buffet%2C++bill+gates&st=nyt&oref=slogin

Jack

flatus...

I'm sure she will. More so than you I would bet.

God Bless.

Later AP

hey all, that offensive "Grodo" post was a fake, or at least it was filed with a fake email address and not Gordo's, so i removed it. Gordo, you are vindicated!

Sorry AP
'No wonder she's working for Obama. Maybe Bill tried to leave a stain on her dress"

that's highbrow

Rez dog

I don't know what Max said, I've got him on ignore if possible

But it is a well known fact that Obama did not have one meeting of a sub committee he chairs. It is something to do with Europe, memory is failing. I first saw it on Steve Clemons blog "the Washington Note" last winter some time

Jack

Rexzog are you rabid? Why would I respond? The link shows Hillary is right. And the discussion concerning NATO in Afghanistan held by the full Senate Foreign Relations Committee was also missed by Obama...LOL. So what is your point? The Senate Sub Committee is intended to have ongoing research and assements. If the Full Committee could deal with this in a single session, why have a Sub Committee? Your point makes no point other than to add that Obama missed a full Committee talking about the very subject he rants about on the stump. What point was false? That is is not good national security to not hold regular mettings on such an important topic? And this one meeting is the answer? Maybe a year and a half might produce some sound judgement through debate and research. I guess you don't know Washington and the Fact Check said what Hillary said was true, so spin your BS elsewhere. Obama talks like he knows what he's talking about but he failed to hold a single meeting AND he missed the one important meeting when it was held by the full Committee. Boy, how amazing!

Bark bark, and you can answer the next time I visit because I'm missing Colbert for you.

Thanks, Craig

Hey anon! Click on the key and it'll tell you what it is.

I have added a few things to my blog. But I'm just not blogging like I used to. Life's getting in the way.

tt

Bark bark, and you can answer the next time I visit because I'm missing Colbert for you.- Maxtrue 11:48 PM

I think I'll just join Jack.

Now I have a key too! Kewl!

It's magic.

tt

And SOMEHOW my Fruit-o-Graphs pic has magically appeared there.

Isn't the internet wonderful?

tt

Craig - Regarding your comments about "pledged" delegates not being really committed. While that's true in principle, it suggests that you've really never been to a caucus or county convention where the delegates for each candidate are chosen. In my observation and experience, they're chosen for their passion for the candidate and their conviction regarding their qualities. The odds, I would bet, that there is some sort of "conversion" of the passionate and convinced to shift their loyalties is probably extremely low. So, while you make an accurate and interesting point, the possibility of shifting from one candidate to the other is probably academic. You also have no data from previous contests which would lend any credence to your interesting assertion. And, I would guess, there probably isn't much.

Okay, I couldn’t sleep from the television and commentary (especially from the Candaians on C-Span).

anon, I agree with what you posted at 7:58, but I believe it is Hilliary RODHOM Clinton who uses smear in this election. Obama is still trying to stay above that and I believe he will whether he wins or loses. But, I’d rather have character win than false promises.

Graham Cracker: no Cheetos. Too health conscious, if you know. But, they are good especially when they are crunchy. You go for it, though!!!

All one has to do is listen to C-Span and listen to the Canadians at this moment and see what is happening. There are those who want HRC in power and there are those who want Barrack H. Obama in power because they believe he can unit the WORLD at this time and bring about TRUE change to this country. Just read the polls (the worldwide polls…not those just in this country).

I already believe the party is split because NO Clinton will concede to defeat! Is that understandable to anyone of you? That is my belief and is what is in my heart.

I actually heard Chelsey Clinton talk tonight at some length and in-depth. She is incredible. I believe she is the first woman to be president of the US. Not her mother! She is so much more eloquent than her mother. NOT brash. So much more believable than her mother. So much more touching and soothing to the heart of America. Her mother is abrasive and brash (to me and to many others who are Republicans I know who are voting for Obama), and even women who want a female president. Chelsey seems intelligent. Just think? Maybe it is not Hilliary’s time even though that has been her dream (and probably yours) for a lifetime. Maybe it would be just as satisfying if the Clinton’s beloved daughter were the first president. Bill and Hilliary and their daughter…the first female president.

I left the comfort of my bed while watching C-Span and the Canadian’s talking about this situation to come back down to my office (on the lower level of my home) and post this thought (for what the F it is worth…to most of you…nothing). I had to post my thought for what it is worth…probably nothing. What happens, I believe is God’s will for better or worse. But, then, God willed…BUSH. He was most certainly wrong there…but was he? Maybe he just made us think we need to think more about our next choice and how it impacts All humanity?

BTW, Wendy (Windy), Ohio is NOT for HRC when they know the truth! Believe me, she has lied in this race in Ohio. It will come out. The election here is over, but it will (and is coming) out. After this is over you may need to seek counseling!!!

Nighty night everyone. I'm to bed..for sure this time. Probably won't read the pros and cons. Okay. Not healthy!

"The odds, I would bet, that there is some sort of "conversion" of the passionate and convinced to shift their loyalties is probably extremely low.-Barry J 12:27 AM

Barry,

I don't know Craig 's experience, but I tend to agree. (for what that's worth). I'm a BO delegate from my precinct to our County Convention. I had to win that job because there were more willing delegates for the number needed.. i won. And I think the best selling point I had to win my spot was telling the assembled that i promised to be faithful to my candidate and not switch. If fact all of us (6) basically agree to be loyal . know there are no guaranties but. I gave my word and that does mean something to me.

*cue 'Brand New Key'*

Nice feature, but is it why there've been so many multiple posts as of late...? TypeKey seems to be screwy at times.

Just checking to see if I have a new key....

Darn! Can't figure this out...yet....

Obama lost in Ohio because voters preferred Clinton.

I guess being a loser means blaming everyone but your own candidate. The Canadians have cleared Clinton and bailed out Obama. The only one who lied was Obama whose staff couldn't remember what they had said until oh right there was evidence.

I got out of work a few hours early. It's gonna make-up for the hour we lose this weekend. I guess that means we'll all have one less hour to argue about the candidates this weekend. Bummer.

I do have a horrible headache lard. So Sorry i couldn't argue my position further. Wish it would go away...

Ok listen. I have a delema first of all. I am logging on without typekey because it will not allow me on....I've tried everyhthing. I can't even get on in my profile. My email address won't allow me to change my moniker and so for some reason my full name has taken over.....I just don't want that. So I am not with type key any more.

As i said before, you all know me too well and so does the US government.

Now let me just re-iterate. I like my moniker now. I did not put my moniker together to be mean. It has a lot meaning to me.

I don't think I've ever been mean and Patsi can attest to that! Afterall, she's the first to have a problem with my "Nice Nice" attiude. Therefore, I will not be changing my moniker any time soon.

Now for more drugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghSJsEVf0pU

The Reel Bot Truth

Sheila , are you legally changing your name here? Can we say that you are legally Hussein from now on? :)

Corey,

You can! And I am Proud to wear that name. ;0)

A scene from "Good Will Hunting 2" LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ70hbvaPdU

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