Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I hope they can pull it off. But Michigan and Florida must count.

Oh and I am first... WOO !!!!!

Good Morning Craig, Everyone,

Looking forward to your appearance on MSNBC Joe off, and and Pat B. in studio lol oh brother! Just coincidence?

Sincerely,
Heather

Wow,
Where Carvelle Louisiana native, dem are 'fightin pardner. lol Carvelle not a happy camper with Richardson, I cannot blame him!

wher,s Craig? no mention from Mika Obamab_tch yet-

had car trouble this morning, folks. could not get to the studio in time for Morning Joe. going back to sleep ...

bummer - watched 1/2 of Mika - I feel dirty now.

awwww Craig:
Now I'm depressed I get Matthews instead of Craig on Morning Joe
:-((

--Heather

Hmm, a super-convention. Yes it's going to have to happen. And, it's better than the Supreme Court .

I think it's got to be done something like the College of Cardinals. Lock them in and keep them out of contact with the rest of the world until they come to a decision. Do everything on secret ballots, which they burn daily, then never release the final vote count or who voted for whom, etc., etc.

And Craig, I hope that gets you a limo next time around.

"I hope they can pull it off. But Michigan and Florida must count. -- Posted by: EuroTom"

Just about to go back to sleep but noticed eagle-eye Euro Tom saw that I left out any resolution of the FL/MI mess in today's post. Didn't really want to open that scary box but yes, what to do about FL/MI is not automatically resolved by a superdelegate mini-convention. But if Clinton agreed in advance NOT to try and seat FL/MI in exchange for the "binding arbitration" of a superdelegate mini-convention, that would give Obama an incentive to come to the table for this superdelegate showdown. In other words, each of them would have an advantage going in to a superdelegate vote -- Obama would be get FL/MI completely off the table and Clinton already has a lead amont superD's. Parity of advantage is the stuff of compromise. That's the best I can do on one cup of coffee.

Another Obama pastor under fire for racist talk

"Sen. Barack Obama has been linked to another controversial pastor, this time a declared spiritual adviser who has called white American mayors "slave masters," and referred to black preachers and politicians who "protect" the "white man" as "house n-ggers."

"We don't have slave masters, we got mayors," exclaimed James Meeks,...

A recent Meeks endorsement of Obama is touted on the presidential candidate's campaign website.

In 2006, Meeks informed his church during a sermon he may run for Illinois governor. He was recorded telling the mostly black congregation any "white Christian" who doesn't vote for him is a "racist."

(Yes, I know it is WND.)

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59735

Just listened to Imus playing Pastor Manning's sermon about Mr Obama and his misuse of his grandmother. Strong words.

(Warren, if you're up this early, I wasn't being sarcastic about grandparents the other evening. If there is any pure love in this world, it's the love of a grandparent for a grandchild. Even bi-racial ones.)

by golly, Flatus, i think you've given me the idea for a video -- SuperD's as the College of Cardinals. Love it. How do you pronounce Flatus? If I do this, I'll give you credit.

sorry to lead you astray this morning, Heather. thanks for trying to watch tho. i'll make sure to get to the studio next time just for you.

will this be the "Flatus heard 'round the world" ?

With a long 'a'. Rhymes with plate-us. Last name is Ohlfahrt.

My cockney grandfather was coming through Ellis Island and the immigration guy asked his name. Grandpa says, in dialect, "I'm Justin Oldheart." The examiner scribbled something down and we've been Ohlfahrts ever since.

ah Flate-us it is then. thought it might be French, as in Flah-too

Mais, non. (But I like it!)

Craig.....
I missed you too.....
did stick around a few minutes to watch some of the political banter between PatB, Mika, and Willie..... they all seemed to agree that Obama is in deep doo doo politically over the Rev. Wright stuff.....

too bad about the car.... if you still have that Lincoln, it must burn a ton a gas.... but it's much safer driving a heavy car like that around the DC area.....

can't wait to see what you do with the idea for a new video that Flatus gave you......

at my family gathering yesterday there was 7 of us..... 4 women and 3 males....... all the women wanted Hillary, but would vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is..... one male (my hubby) was in the same camp as the women.... and the other 2 males wanted Hillary, but would vote for McCain over Obama....

I think the mini super delegate convention in June is a good idea.....
but I'm not sure it should be at the expense of not seating FL/MI (although I see you've used the words "not try".... which means that wouldn't be written in stone).....

Obama Defends Trinity: “This is Not A Crackpot Church”

http://thepage.time.com/2008/03/24/obama-defends-trinity-this-is-not-a-crackpot-church/

Superdelegate mini-convention?
Sure. Why not.
We'll just have to change the name of the party, because there won't be anything DEMOCRATIC about it.
This is just one more attempt by the Hillarobots to subvert the will of the people.

.nash ------------------------

"This is just one more attempt by the Hillarobots to subvert the will of the people."

The "people" did not know about Rev Wright when they voted for Obama.

RebelliousRenee, LINCOLN!?!?! I don't drive a stinkin Lincoln. It's a 1997 Mazda

Nash, are you kidding? The Clintonites are not behind this one. They would much rather drag out this fight all summer and take their chances with SuperD's in August, so they've got months to grind them down.

I am so angry I could spit. I was watching MSNBC for just a minute and they gave the Gallop poll, Obama 48 and Clinton 43. That is a lie. I just looked at the latest gallop polls and it was Clinton 47 to Obama 44. How do they get away from it? Telling lies
.http://www.presidentpolls2008.com/

If you guys want to turn another thread into a bash-fest between Clinton and Obama supporters, that is your perogative. It's your blog as much as mine. But doesn't it get a little boring? How about mixing in some discussion about how Democrats find a way to a nominee that doesn't split you apart at the seams.

Hi Craig,
Has anyone followed up with Obama on his church's support of the Black Value System (link from Trinity United's website: http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html
I find #8 troubling and wonder if Obama has talked about this.

gallup

Mornin' all.

Flatus, please tell me that none of the women in your family are named Ima. And I know that I'm striving to become a member of the Ohl(d)fart family, too- and am damn near it.

I'll probably be a hit and runner today - I've got stuff that has to be done today. That said, I think a miniconvention of super delegates isa great idea - but agree with ET that the FL/MI issues has to be dealt with before Clinton would endorse such a plan. That, or Obama would need to run the table, which is really unlikely. BTW, anyone think an Obama supporter bought the Illinois corn flake?

well, how DO democrats find a way to a nominee who doesnt split the party apart at the seams? It seems like the two candidates hillary and barack are the only choice in town.....
Is there a way ?

Agreed Craig, this is making me crazy and I am too old for this stuff. haha
I wish I had a thought about how to stop all of this I don't but I do know if Fl and MI do not get seated there will be a split.
I watched Cspan last night and they gave the speech given in Aug 07 regarding the primary date. It seemed to me that the republicans made the decision and the Fl democrats did what the rules said to try and get that changed. In fact the lady specifically spoke to the rules they had followed to no avail. So what is the problem?
I think Hillary and Obama should sit down without anyone else present and come up with a comprimise
If not I would not be surprise the Hillary looks at legal action in Fl. As far as I saw the DP in Fl did what the law said they were to do. The NDP made the decided against the rules they put in place

and they both seem determined to bash the other into submission.......

the "college of cardinals" idea is pretty good, but what chance is there of that happening in this political climate?

It's not like they listen to the voices of reason and cooler heads etc......

I said yesterday that I think this is a good idea - as long as it happens after all the primaries are over and they figure our how to keep FL and MI from being disenfranchised. Splitting those states 50/50 is still disenfranchisement...so they have to figure out something that makes sense and Obama better get on board w/ it because if he wins w/o FL and Mi he'll be an illegitimate candidate just as Bush is an illegitimate President.

"well, how DO democrats find a way to a nominee who doesnt split the party apart at the seams? -- Posted by: sturgeone"

well the point i'm driving today, sturgeone, is that a process that ends the race when the primaries close would at least give Democrats all summer to heal (if they can). otherwise, they come out of a rancorous convention in August with hardly any time to try.

BTW - did anyone hear Mika admit that Wright may be a bigger problem for Obama than she thought. Said she did a little straw poll in PA over the weekend and people were having a real problem with Obama right now.

Even Pat R started fudging his Hillary wins PA by 10 and extending it to "perhaps" a wider margin.

No matter what O' tried to do this weekend or last week, the media is really dwelling on the Wright issue.

Democrats argue.
Republicans follow orders.

This wouldn't be happening if the VERY DIVISIVE CLINTON GOT OUT NOW. Don't forget in the latest polling over 45% of the people polled said they would NEVER VOTE FOR HER. She is a fraud and is unworthy of the Presidency and would be more dangerous than Bush.

craig''' i don't believe clinton supporters would feel the need for obama bashing if your friends in the media
would do thier jobs and report the facts as is 'without the biased toward obama

way to jump on board, Skylark......lol

"This wouldn't be happening if the VERY DIVISIVE CLINTON GOT OUT NOW. "

Maybe she should have dropped out the minute Obama decided to run....in fact, everybody should have and just given it to him right then.

oh well, i tried . . . lol

guess i'll just go back to pondering John McCain's Cabinet choices

Skylark
Thats not helpful to the process of finding common ground.
Trust me as a Obama supporter.

I met Pat B

I meant Pat B - get all those conservative Pat's confused and it's early on the West coast.

sturg, that might work when level heads prevail. Seen any sign of that so far (aside from 10 seconds of sanity in one debate? No, I didn't think so. I'm guessing the candidates will be thrashing each other about the heads and shoulders at least until June, and Craig, buddy, I expect their supporters will be doing the same, but I'm willing to take the pledge - hell, it's a waste of time anyway.

Had to laugh - I got a letter from Jay Rockefeller Saturday thanking me for writing to support something he was doing to prevent mistreatment of our soldiers after serving in Iraq - and of course askjing for my support. Sounded like some sort of infringement of free speech to me - I guess he doesn't know me very well. I think his staff is confused. I did write an e-mail to him bitching about our state Office of Health Licensure failing to grant the brand new veterans' nursing home here an operating license after the state and the VA spent umpteen million dollars and two years to build it. (I sincerely doubt that the new nursing home, which as of yet has no residents so no one could possibly be mistreated yet, actually has problems worse than any of the existing ones - some of which are just f*cking awful - that were granted continuing licenses , but I digress.) I had to deal with those idiots when I was with the local hospital as general counsel, and they are absolute morons, It's on VA property, and I frankly don't understand why the feds don 't tell the state to get the hell off the VA property and open the damn thing.

The people who support Clinton must be divisive too. Just because we don't agree we are divisive? Grow up Skylark. Obama is not running for middle school pres. He is no more ready to be Pres. than I am. He will be made to look weak and inexperienced along with racist in Nov. Face it-the media had to start to finally REPORT some truth. What else is out there? PS my 18 year-old son's friends want Obama because they think he supports legalizing marijuana. The repubs will use that too. More and more baggage.

Dear Craig:

I agree I suppose we are sort of addicted to the squabbling Hillary v Obama its hard though with the cable news shows, particularly MSNBC promoting the fighting, but I will discipline myself.

You lay out an interesting concept half of my likes the idea, but you yourself pointed out the shortfalls

I would venture to say that be an ad hoc rules committee within the mini super-delegate convention that supersedes everything and whose decision is final, no appeals, not very democratic I admit but it would resolve things.

This whole proportionality delegate nonsense stinks it, and the electoral college should go the same way as the dinosaur

--Heather.

why should clinton quit before the primaries are over
why should'nt everyone get a chance to vote either
way ?
besides puerto rica needs thier turn in the spotlight
i had forgotton they were a U.S. territory''' let them vote to

Carol:

MSNBC got it right on the latest gallup-O' did surge ahead yesterday but it is statistically a tie

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105529/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Edges-Ahead-Clinton.aspx

And Skylark...the polls I've seen actually show that 53% of Hillary supporters won't vote for Barack and it's only like 19% of Obama supporters won't vote for Hillary.

Do you have a link to that poll?

Mornin' all.

I like the idea of the mini-convention for superDs.

I'd think of it as sort of a "national supercaucus" (College of Cardinals is pretty nice, Flatus. But puffs of white smoke emerging from this thing might only sharpen the jokes about smoke-filled rooms).

Still...a "national supercaucus" should be seen as no more or no less democratic than any of the state caucuses. And those who meet should be totally free to make their own choice -- with the current vote and delegate tallies not even factored into consideration, no more than caucusers in any individual state would factor them.

Finally, both candidates should get time to work the caucus and make their cases in person over several days...and even superdelegates who come in pre-committed should get the opportunity to switch sides if they want.

Mika is "baffled" by Richardson being accused of taking 30 pieces of silver?

Sweetly naive or so sensitive ... blech! Econsmed that is a perfect name for her.

"This wouldn't be happening if the VERY DIVISIVE CLINTON GOT OUT NOW."

LOL
Don't those Republican trolls just crack you up.

Patsi
Darlin'

Do not feed the trolls!

Jack

To all the Repugs who are determined to fan the flames, the FEDS had to inject another $50Billion into the system last night.
Its symtomatic of the depth of the hole Repugs have got us in.
JMc is running against a raging economic inferno created by his TEAM.
Yes the wounds from the bitter fight may be hard to heal, but the alternative is far worse.... preparing to all line up at the soup kitchen 1929 style.

I was reading FLAT US as in Nebraska. :)

Heather, thanks to you and others for trying. Intra-party hostility can get even uglier than partisan wars, and i am not a big fan of either. Still, Democrats have found themselves in a situation without recent precedent -- two candidates who have no clear path to a nominating majority of only elected delegates. Like it or not, resolving such a problem is one of the reasons superdelegates were created -- the architects knew that proportional delegate allocation could lead to this. Which means that either you wait until August for the superdelegate verdict, or get it done sooner. Obama might just win enough SuperD's and elected delegates to claim the nominating majority and still seat Clinton's FL/MI delegates. If Clinton wins without FL/MI then she'll seat them for sure. But waiting until August for the SuperD vote means that the FL/MI mess hangs in the air all summer -- and what a foul smell that'll be!

I went to see the musical Wicked yesterday and besides being spectacular, it also made me think of the Democratic primary. For anyone who has read the book or seen the musical - , you'll know what I mean when I say:

Obama is "The Wizard"

and

Hillary is Elphaba

Craig...using the word "architects" to describe the people who designed the Democrat primary system is pretty charitable.

I think of them more as Key West drunks with a hammer in one hand and a margarita in the other, slapping together those shacks that get wiped out in every hurricane.

Renee

If those percentages held, almost 1/3 of the Democratic vote could go to McCain. That doesn't bode well for Obama in the GE.

"using the word "architects" to describe the people who designed the Democrat primary system is pretty charitable -- posted by LardassLiberal"

ha, you are right about that LL. and at least two of the Key West drunks you describe were Jesse Jackson and Michael Dukakis in 1988 (i can picture Dukakis in a dorky flowered shirt but he'd still be drinking his beloved mug of hot chowder instead of a margarita, even on a blistering day at the beach). Still, Democrats best not dwell on how they got here, only on how they get out of this spot

Craig, it was a valiant effort. Go take that nap - I think the larger issue is coming up with a process that will bring the 37% of Hillary supporters and 26% of Obama supporters (or whatever those numbers were) who have said they won't back the opposing candidate back into the party.. Frankly, I think it's akin to trying to walk on the edge of a razor blade and I don't understand taking those positions - after all, the alternative is John McNutcase.

The key to this is going to be what appears to be an unqualified endorsement of the winning candidate by the loser, and a convincing appeal to his or her supporters - perhaps as the convention's keynote speaker- to get a grip and understand what's at stake by not supporitng the party's nominee. And it probably can only be accomplished by a face to face meeting between Hillary and Obama, as adults, to come to an agreement. I do not see this happening. The divisions between the candidates appear to be too deep and this has gotten too personal for the supporters of the 2 candidates left. And I lay this at the feet of the party leadership for failing to bring FL & MI into fold by now and fomenting what appears to be anything but a democratic nominating process. My fear is that the party bigwigs won't wake up and do what is necessary to correct the process before the next election cycle.

Craig,
I am a loyal democrat and as such I say this with much sorrow, we deserve what we get. Our party is gutless. Cowardice has become the millstone around its neck. Craig you are 100% right when you state "resolving such a problem is one of the reasons super-delegates were created"

To resolve this super-delegate problem takes courage and someone will get hurt, I say so be it. Lately whether its a resolution on the Iraq War, Schip, FISA etc the Democratic Party reverts to its default position of caving in to Bush Administration demands.
Unfortunately Craig unless the Democrats "courage up" it is going to be a long hot summer.
--Heather

Craig,

mqw did express what has bothered me all along. Do you have anything to say about the sloppy, inaccurate, and partisan puffery of your colleagues that has been a huge part of this farce of an election?

If I could stand it, I would love to sit Chris Matthews down and tie him to a chair with reruns of his shows while slapping him awake to watch again every time he said something either false, fawning or flaky.

Neither on of us would get any sleep.

They could do a mini convention. But it should be SD's only. Send them down to Gitmo, and don't let them leave until they have it worked out. And if they can't, keep them there.

Bowmanc:

LOL! love that solution :-))

--Heather

Wendy

Fall 2008 Something "Wicked" this way comes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npKJs564gWI

One more thing I forgot to add.
The democrats find themselves in this dilemma because for the last 2 decades or so the democratic party allowed it to be hijacked by the extreme radical left elements of its party.

--Heather

Craig: Obama isn't a closer. He didn't cinch the deal after Super Tuesday and he didn't close it on Super Tuesday II. He didn't close even with the complete endorsement/encouragement of the MSM. That's why we're in this conundrum: The American voters refuse to let the media pick the nominee.

My next question probably isn't going to go over very well but I am going to put it out there anyway: Is anyone concerned about the huge divide that will occur in this country is Obama DOESN'T get the nomination? What are the realities of what that day will look like? And as much as we believe Clinton will be the better nominee (and will probably have more votes if we include Michigan and Florida), is it possible that the fallout from Obama not getting the nomination will bring havoc to our country and party that we just can't stomach at this point in history? I must tell you that after the last week I believe we are in for some very difficult days.

Craig:

Great idea!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/a-superdelegate-mini-conventio.html#comment-57324

I was actually thinking last night that I wanted to try and come on here - and for just one day - try to remain completely positive.

(Maybe today would be a good one since I have work to do and should not be on here too much anyways.)

But back to my thought about being positive. It was inspired by Gov. Rendell. Hands down, that guy is a great advocate for Clinton. Obviously most of the surrogates repeat the same arguments - but he does it in a gritty and matter-of-fact way that is really convincing.

Alright - back to work...

Jamie, all I can say is that it's only cable, sort of like watching kindergarten play.

Heather:

3 words: Lack of leadership.

6 more words: The inability to tell a story.

You can add those little nuggets to the problems of the Democratic party.

Warren: You are right about Rendell. James Carville needs to be voted off the island. This is back to my point about telling a story. Ed Rendell can tell a story. Carville cannot.

and thank you for trying, Warren. would be lovely to see at least a one-day truce. First steps are always the hardest -- As one who's finally walking on a very sore ankle, I know

Heather:

This years dilemma is different - we are choosing between two great candidates most Democrats are really happy with (at least if you can catch people in a candid moment).

I don't think the same could be said of Gore and Kerry. Most Democrats liked them - because they had to.

A pre-convention superdelegates mini gathering for the purpose of determining the nominee may be a rational, reasonable approach to avoiding the potential
collapse of the party's base, however, that would require that the superdelegates look inward to determine what the goal really is.

Is it to nominate the candidate that would most likely win those states with the necessary electoral votes to win the White House?

Or is their goal to ensure their own self-interest, as in continuing in office in their individual states, regardless of whether the party wins the White House?

And which segment of the party's base would these superdelegates be willing to alienate?

Instinct suggests that it is highly unlikely that the superdelegates, the party hierarchy are capable of subordinating their individual preferences to the goal
of actually having the best chance to win the White House. So far, no one has exhibited a level headed approach, starting with Howard Dean, who has shown
no leadership qualities whatsoever.

Taking a break from politics:
one of my two picks is out of March Madness unfortunately its my alma mater \
:-((
But my other pick UCLA to at least make the quarter finals is still alive and I may upgrade that to the semi-finals :-))
--Heather

Craig,

At some point cable is going to have to take responsibility for the fact that more and more people are getting their televised NEWS from cable.

Anyone with a long commute isn't going to watch evening network news. The AM shows don't do that much political coverage. The nighttime comedy shows are fun but hardly definitive.

CNN is doing fairly well with their "ballot bowl" unfiltered coverage but not all that much analysis. MSNBC and Fox are so slanted as to be useless.

Someone needs to tell them that play time is over, it's time to grow up.

Coreen: In my opinion, the super-delegates will not exercise individual judgment as to who is the best nominee for the general election. Or, rather, their individual judgement will be to go with the votes due to the pressure by the media and the party. So, if the super-delegates vote by their state's result, who would win the nomination? Has anyone done the math so far? And would it be the state the super-delegate currently resides in if they are not currently an elected official? Or would it be the state in which they served? By the way, I think it would need to be by state and not by Congressional District, as not all of the super-delegates are Congresspersons. This starts to get a little tricky, doesn't it? Seems like fuzzy math.

Craig...
my bad.... I must have been confusing you with someone else on the car thing....

"Still, Democrats best not dwell on how they got here, only on how they get out of this spot."

I agree with the above statement 100%. After the general election..... especially if McCain wins.... that's the time to take a good look at the Dem primary and caucus system..... until then the Dems need to get a nominee and figure out how to heal the party.....
and at this point it doesn't look to be much of an easy task.....

BTW.... I feel the same way about the Iraq war....
I don't care who did or didn't vote for the resolution as this point..... all I care about is what a candidate intends to do about the fact we're there.....
and since McCain seems content in keeping us there..... I could never vote for him....

One solution is for BHO to accept Vp position and do it right after the primary. It would solve the problem, giving the solidity to the party, give him the experience he needs, and the democrats the winning ticket. It would save a super delegate meeting. And she could seat the Fl/Mi delegates.

Repubs would still rip him apart in general, however with Hillary on top damage control would be acceptable.

Hillary is on subject of economy this morning. She is having meeting with Greenspan and others.. Solutions is Hillary's creed, and she is good at it..

heather - what a weekend, no? WVU beats Duke and DAVIDSON!!! beats Georgetown? I think we can call those legitimate upsets, no? I'm down to 10 of the sweet 16, so I'm sitting pretty happy that I didn't bet any money on the bracket this year.

A few more thoughts:

What Gore and Kerry both lacked was that fighting spirit - that is ironically that cause of so much angst in the Democratic party. Maybe we all need to toughen up.

Wolfson was effective on MoJo at defusing a very "hot and bothered" Chris Matthews.

And finally, hey gang - perhaps:

"We are the [unifiers] we have been looking for..." Hah!

*warren bans himself from this blog until at least 1 pm*

Okay, so if you take the plan that Craig mentioned today, don't you then end up with a bigger fight because the canidates will undoubtably lobby those SDs? (which personally I find very amusing because the Dems are so anti-lobbying). Can you image the amount of bribes and or threats. flying around? Forgive me for not knowing how many SDs are up for grabs, but it looks like the numbers of the regular Delegates will not change that much by June so really it just becomes a race to gain SDs at this point. Well, not sure if that made sense but what do y'all think?

My thinking on the FL/MI delegates, is that when someone officially gets the nomination, if prior to the convention, they will then invite the delegations to the convention

Heather

Two of my picks: Georgetown and Duke got sidelined. That leaves me with UCLA and NC.

and heather, I forgot to mention - I had Duke in the final against UNC, so half my bracket is gone.

has anyone seen ad for mathews show today
what is that'' clinton as the devil incarnated' all that's missing is a pitcthfork
he was on this morning' done a five minute
anti-clinton' pro obama rant' then said he was'nt
endorsing either candidate

"Is anyone concerned about the huge divide that will occur in this country is Obama DOESN'T get the nomination? What are the realities of what that day will look like? "

Very much so.

And to answer Coreen's question about which part of the electorate the supers will throw under the bus, you can bet it will be Clinton's supporters. They know that the base, the real democratic base, will not ultimately abandon the party. Whereas Obama's will.

Dear Jamie:
You and me are in good company cause I think the finals may just boil down to UCLA & NC

Wow! what a great matchup that would be!

--Heather

"What Gore and Kerry both lacked was that fighting spirit - that is ironically that cause of so much angst in the Democratic party. Maybe we all need to toughen up."

I think you are absolutely right, Warren.

jennBe, all that is going to happen whether the SDs meet in a miniconvention or at the convention. The miniconvention would just move the process up by a couple of months - which for us Dems would be a good thing IMHO. And I've given up on a democratically elected nominee - the process is too flawed to make that assertion at this point.

Jennbe

Getting the nomination without the votes of FL/MI is completely illegitimate. Throwing out the votes of the first and eighth largest states in the nation and then telling them, you can come to the party if you want is hardly solving the problem.

A "Dream Ticket" may end up being the only way to solve this mess. They can hate each other for four to eight years if they want, but if it prevents a McCain win or riots in the streets, it would be worth it.

Aly, Exactly, so many issues have been left with no
solution that it is unlikely that cooler heads will prevail
anytime soon. I sense the melodrama goes on
for some time. All to the detriment of the ultimate
goal.

"One more thing I forgot to add.
The democrats find themselves in this dilemma because for the last 2 decades or so the democratic party allowed it to be hijacked by the extreme radical left elements of its party.

--Heather"

Hey that's what happened to my party! only it it was the extreme right.

"Still, Democrats best not dwell on how they got here, only on how they get out of this spot."- Renees post.

If they come to a solution, then they don't give themselves anything to campaign against- what would be the incentive for either of them to compromise? (besides all the logical ones that would be helpful for uniting the Democratic Party).

The other issue with seating them after the presumptive nominee (Obama) is picked: What if that pushes Clinton ahead in delegate and popular vote totals? How will that be perceived within the party?

Seating them after the nominee is chosen is effectlvely the same as splitting the delegates or not counting them at all. It is disenfranchising the votes of more than 2,000,000 people from states the Democrats NEED in the fall.

See my above post, re: lack of leadership in the Democratic party.

All the super delegates should be asked in public, to explain their votes. These are supposed to tbe the leaders of the Democratic Party.

In general I like Dr. Dean but I think he has failed the leadership test in this case. As for Nancy P. no there there.

I disagree there is a greater loss and problem if Obama doesn't get the nomination. That is just more hyperventilating on the part of Obama supporters.

Too bad Richardson said everyone over sixty should get out of the party. He might have been able to negotiate a peace. I guess that leaves Al Gore and John Edwards as the uaffiliated leaders of the Party.

I think it is better to settle this in June.

Roadside bomb kills 4, brings U.S. deaths in Iraq to 4,000

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/31383.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ftWerL1Wcs

jack

jamie & heather, I think you are exactly right about the final pairing - UNC & UCLA, that is.

As for Obama/Clinton/Obama - I'm just not feeling it, although you probably are right about it being the only way to beat McJohnny.

jamie,did you catch John Adams last night? Certainly a different tone to that episode. I'm not big on puking, amputations and bloodletting. His kid JQA looks about as old as my kid - and I certainly couldn't imagine sending Li'l Pogo to St. Petersburg in the winter (unless it was to FL that is).

Obama's pastor 'crucified' just like Jesus by Romans

"According to Fox News, Rev. Otis Moss III titled his Easter sunrise sermon "How to Handle a Public Lynching," focusing mainly on the media firestorm over the Chicago church attended by the Democratic presidential candidate.

Moss reportedly did not specify Wright by name, but told the congregation at Trinity United Church of Christ
that Wright, who has delivered sermons in which he likened the U.S. to the Ku Klux Klan and saying it is damned for its state-sponsored terrorism, is facing the same challenges Jesus did."

(Yes, I know it is WND.)

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59700

Go University of Wisconsin Go Badgers

And go Sienna ! Big upset. My father went to school there after WWII.

KGC: Did Richardson really say that? How old is he?

As far as the fallout if Obama doesn't get the nomination, this is coming from a Clinton supporter. I really am worried. The media is perpetuating the idea that if Hillary wins the nomination it will be "stolen" from Obama. And I think the country will be headed down a perilous path if this is the perceived result. I could be wrong but I am starting to doubt it.

well....
I'm not into basketball.....

baseball season is right around the corner.....

GO RED SOX!

dean has got to be the highest paid' most well educated 'idiot in the world. who ever heard of punishing your own constituents for voting?
what a unique concept'

Rciahrdson said it is time to turn over the party to the next generation. He is three weeks younger then Senator Clinton. I assume he will be delivering this same message to Senators Kerry and Kennedy as well.

Here is the WSJ editorial this morning.
The Democrats Super Disaster

Until recent weeks, one of the least understood aspects of the Democrats' primary contest was the role of superdelegates. These are Democratic Party insiders, members of Congress, and other officials who can cast ballots at the party's national convention this summer.

But now these unelected delegates are coming in for a close inspection, because neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama can win their party's nomination without superdelegate support. The big Pennsylvania primary on April 22, for example, has only 158 delegates at stake (each of them will be pledged to support one of the candidates). By comparison, there are a total of 795 superdelegates, none of whom are required to honor the will of the voters of their state at the party's convention.

Sound undemocratic? It is. That the 2008 Democratic nominee for president will be chosen by individuals no one voted for in the primaries flew for too long under the commentariat's radar.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120631654451858227.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

craig
dont you think this race shpuld go all the way to the convention floor......maybe the idiots who make the rules should change the system and get rid of caucus's, open primaries, proportional delagates and super delagates.....and just let the people decide who the nominee should be instead of the old guard of the party (idiots)

I like Ed Rendell and James Carville.

Rendell is a great advocate for Hillary and I hope she chooses him as Vice-President.

Carville,like many of us, is very loyal to Hillary and can't stomach those like Billy Richardson, who shift with the winds. Keep up the good work James.

OMG Renee
I'm crying
Red Sox? :'(
say it ain't so Renee

Sincerely,
still your friend
Heather

Dear Renne:

Girl we are going to have soooooooooo much to discuss this basball season lol
still love 'ya though

--Heather

hillary clinton 'quit'' give up'' give in''' your joking right ?

"Today, the Mainstream Media will try to make Bill Clinton, once again, the focus of Hillary’s campaign, all thanks to his latest comments about Barack Obama.

What is interesting about all of this, aside from the fact that the quote is obviously making a reference to the upcoming “swift boating” that approaches Obama, is that his patriotism IS and has become a serious question. In contrast with the attempts of Obama’s campaign to act “outraged” at these statements, doubts about their candidate’s patriotism spring from Obama’s own unsavory associations, starting with his membership in an unpatriotic church (for 20 years), his friendliness with a domestic terrorist (Ayers), his economic liaisons with an Arab terrorist group (headed by his fund raiser Rashid Khalidi), his wife’s comments regarding her own lack of pride for her Country, and many other instances that legitimately would put his overall loyalty and pride of this Country into question."

http://savagepolitics.com/

They should hold the mini convention in Florida or Michigan

Happy Monday:
What I see happening is the Democrats are proving to the entire country that they are incappable of accomplishing anything. They look like idiots, they are failing to show any leadership at all. They have done this to themselves, and they are the only ones who can undo this mess.

Step One: resolve Mi & Fla - do not go to step 2 until step one in completed. --If they can not accomplish Step One they do not deserve the presidency. Imagine a party that is this twisted and just plain screwed up running our country ?

Step Two: proceed to the convention as scheduled.

Ed Rendell took being vp off the table. I have heard rumors he would like to be secretary of energy.

Heather....
of course I'm a Red Sox fan..... I was born and raised in Massachusetts.....
I now live along the southern border of NH near the town where my hubby was born and raised.....

EdVB is a Yankee's fan and we get along very well on this blog...... even when discussing baseball..... and since you said you live in NY state, I'm assuming you're a Yankee fan too....

I LOVE baseball.....
but I don't take all that Yankee/Red Sox suppose to hate each other stuff seriously..... after all..... we're all baseball fans.....

with that said.....

GO RED SOX!

msnbc is still talking about the Richardson endorsement because they don't have anything else to slam the Clinton campaign with..

I guess Merrill McPeak turned out to be a bigger horse's ass than Bill so they've dropped that line.

if gore or kerry had hillary's guts and fought like she does we would be discussing this race.......we would be discussing kerry= mccain

Pogo,

Most parents today with the prolonged childhood we give our children can't imagine what children were assumed able to do less than 100 years ago.

Quincy was only 11 when he went as a secretary to his father in France and only 14 when he went to Russia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Quincy_Adams

Most children of the period only got about five "baby" years and then started doing chores that we think of as things done by teens. By age 10 - 12, they were expected to be able to carry out adult duties. Unless unusually privileged they would be out of school about that age, apprenticed or working full time in some field

JAMIE I agree. Did you see Matthews this morning? What a rant. All these guys are throwing away their integrity. Is there a broadcast that is fair and balanced and the best political team? I haven't found one. They should be ashamed, but they are to busy patting themselves on the back. Today it was Richardson,Richardson,Richardson, and Clinton's so called McCarthyism. Why were they not offended by damn America, chickens, aids conspiracy etc.

richardson said obama represents the future'' he will get the young vote'well i live in the now' the present'
the obama people have dismissed the older folks
out of hand' politics of the future and all'''
who in the hell do they think keeps this country going
through good times and bad'' who runs the factories
operates the machinary'' deliver the goods ect.'pays the
taxes that funds the goverment' builds the bridges and
roads'the young people there talking about
owes more in credit card debt and college loans than
they are worth' maybe they can use thier xbox skills
to run the country

With all this squabbling over super delegates, convention stalemates Obama this Obama that, racism, and all the frustration
I retreat into my secret escape an when I hear John Sterling passionately yell "An A-Bomb from A-Rod" or "a thrilla from godzilla" [Matsui] Its then my emotion picks up my legs and arms and tendons spring into action fists are clenched my voice hoarse from cheering and at the end I hear that familar chant "the Yankees win" "thaaaaaaaaaaa Yankees win!
thats when I realize just for the moment all is right with the world! :-))

--Heather

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/opinion/19bredesen.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Bredesen&st=nyt&oref=slogin

This is the statement from the gov of Tenna supporting the mini convention.

the people on this blog are way more intelligent then DEAN and the idiots running the DNC........you guys could to a 100% better running this show .....actually even an idiot could foresee that leaving the 4th and 8th largest states out of the election process would cause a train wreck in the primaries and the general election

Dear Renee:
No worries you will always be near and dear to me because we are common allies in the more important things in life, with guys its different, with 'da gals our sisterhood is our common bond

(((((((((((hugs))))))))))
always Renee
Sincerely,
Heather

So much of Craig's commentary this year has read like it was mailed to him from Clinton headquarters -- so if he's for a "superdelegate mini-convention," it makes me wonder why. For one thing, it's changing the rules in the middle of the game again -- creating a new procedure that never existed before, to give Clinton yet one more chance. Another opportunity for uncertainty. Another opportunity to prolong what has become a ridiculous, press-driven "horserace." It's time for Clinton and her media enablers to stand down. We've got a nominee -- let's get on board and head for the White House.

Heather you and renee will have to handle the Red Sox/Yankees situation. I will be way too busy trying to figure out a way to wipe the Giants off the face of the earth.

what really bothers me is the fact that 5 states broke the rules .....IOWA...NH.....SC......FLA and MI.....NEV just got in under the wire or they would have broken the rules also........the first 3 were given waivers and the last 2 got punished .....why no one brings this up is beyond me .....almost smells like the fix was in in sept 07,,,,,,dean is almost as far left as obama and i really believe he is in the tank for obama

Dang, Craig - you note an obvious problem and pose an alternative, and you get me thinking. And it all comes back to SDs. The solution to the problem, as I see it, lies in what the SDs see as they look forward - at the bottom of it, they are effectively choosing the candidate who will live or die by the electoral college - that undemocratic anachronism we are constitutionally bound to. Of course what, roughly 250 of the superdelegates who are in Congress - minus those who are retiring - and the Dem governors are also looking forward to popular elections in their states and districts (the only truly democratic votes in this process) in this or one of the next 2 election cycles, and to that extent have a vested interest in voting their constituents' collective voice when they choose between Clinton and Obama. To some extent I see this as an almost hopeless situation that in the end is most likely to be affected as much by the direction the wind is blowing locally as it is by any other factor, like, say party unity.

We've got a nominee -- let's get on board and head for the White House.

Posted by: TKD | March 24, 2008 11:19 AM

There is only a nominee if you use Karl Rove's math.
There is no nominee until someone gets to the right number. The new politics of Obama look like the politics of voter suppression.

What if Pa, Kentucky and West Va had already voted and Clinton was in the lead and we were waiting for Wy and ND to caucus I think the line coming from the Obama campaign would be entirely different.

TKD: Obama? A Democratic nominee who didn't win New York, New Jersey, California, Ohio, Texas, Massachusetts, Florida, Michigan and, most likely, Pennsylvania? Yes, that would really be something, wouldn't it?

How about the Super-Delegates follow the rules, as you suggest, and exercise their individual judgement? Because the states Hillary has won put her in a much better position in the general than do Obama's. The general election is all about the Electoral College. It isn't a caucus. This is relevant whether or not Obama supporters like it.

BHO seems to like his pastors who are very vocal.

Heather....
that's why I fell in love with you so quickly....
you obviously have your head screwed on properly..... and your priorities are straight..... you support your chosen candidate without trying to tear down the other side.... I'm sure it will be the same thing with baseball...... it's a rivalry.... one can enjoy it without being negative....

the guys on this blog are pretty friendly about their sports teams.....
we've all always tried to be gracious to one another concerning sports..... too bad it didn't continue with politics....

.....((((( hugs))))) right back atchya.... Heather....
and you too, Jamie....

well Craig.....
you asked us to be nice to each other today....
now you have to tolerate all this sport's talk....... :0)

i know no one answers my posts .....but i hope you are least reading them lol........here's something to think about ....why not poll the states that have already voted to see if there is any buyer remorse out there

TKD, you must be looking at a different blog or are buying a wholly unfair knock on Craig. He has posted comments that have been both positive and negative about all 3 of the remaining viable candidates. If there has been a trend of late, it has been to point out the mo that JMc has picked up as the Dems continue to fight each other, shich certainly is fact based rather than an endorsement of Johnny. IMHO, only true believers in one candidate or another who can't accept observations inconsistent with their vision of their candidate perceive Craig's posts as favoring the opposing candidate.

Looking at the latest polls, Hillary leading in PA by a good margin and the gap is closing in NC, this sends a signal that the voters now are not sure who they want. Let the rest of the states have their say and then look at the results. It's not hurting the party right now to let this play out. It's not been that dirty of a campaign. It's better that things come out now than in October when it's to late to change anything.

All I have to say about the powers that be is that there had better be a woman (other than Claire McCreep) on that Democratic ballot.

Party leaders such as Teddy Kennedy backed up by mediat types like Tweety Matthews pretty well put it out there from the beginning that women need not apply for the job. Since they don't want us to work or vote except as guided by all knowing males, I want nothing to do with them either in campaigning or voting.

Craig,

The idea of a super D convention is a reasonable idea suggested at a time when reasonable minds have not prevailed. Can't foresee a solution for the MI and FLA voters that will be considered fair by all. It appears that whichever candidate is the nominee they will have been chosen rather than have earned the nomination. Lots of disenfrancised and angry voters. McCain is the beneficiary.

How about the super D's voting unanimously for John Edwards in order to bring about party unity? Then neither candidate can win the delegate total needed. Either BO or H would have to step down and give their delegates to Edwards. Neither could be VP as it would continue the contention. He would have to choose someone like Harold Ford, Jr. This would perhaps satisfy the AA voters and prevent the "riots" being suggested if Hillary wins the Super D's to get the nomination. Barack could be appointed Director of a new Dept.of Racial Unity, and Hillary Director of Health and Human Serices.

If some of the people have to feel disenfranchised, better all and a new direction with a fresh new ticket. Then all of the negative baggage the current campaigns have is dissipated. The republicans can't use any of it in the general and the dems win the Presidency.

Edwards-Ford '08

tz - many posts here go unresponded to - happens to all of us. We discussed the 5 states that acted outside the rules some time back - and noted that only FL & MI were denied waivers. In fact, I detailed the # of days that each of those staets were out of compliance. But the waiver issue us a difficult one to argue with - the party has discretion to grant or deny waivers, and although I support Clinton, I don't think the process was exercised to favor Obama. And polling the states that have already voted would be quite the expensive undertaking to accomplish nothing (other than to provide info to the SDs), but it would be an interesting thing to do.

Dear tz:
Please don't feel left out I read all posts here, I'm sure Craig does as well so please never feel like you are left out here :-))

In answer to your post tz it may be because polling is expensive and unless its highly important it will not be done

just my opinion

Sincerely,
Heather

if mccain was in a coma '' on life support' he would still beat obama in most of the states he keeps bragging about winning
blue states will be blue
red states will be red
if you can't win purple
you'll be dead

pogo

thanks for the response and i agree with your assessment
but the fact that 2 states IOWA and NH who have less than 1% of the vote in this country and generally vote republican in the general have so much power in the dem party is also beyond me....
also the fact that the rev wright issue was brought out last august and the media sat on it until fox news (ugh) and abc news brought it to the public is another mystery thats why i was thinking of polling state that have already voted and i agree it would be expensive and probably wont happen

Kate....
I admit to thinking along those same lines yesterday while driving back from my parent's house....

it's obvious now that the superD's will have to pick a nominee.... and if they can't come to a consensus on Obama or Clinton.... or make them run together... then maybe turning to Edwards would be a better alternative..... and if I remember right..... he's only officially "suspended" his campaign..... maybe that's why he's not endorsing anyone yet....

although I'm sure that would set off another firestorm..... there's plenty of an argument to be made that if the voters had wanted him, they'd have voted for him in the first place....

sad but if NH had voted democrat in 2000 we wouldnt have ended uo with BUSH......they should have been punished for that and had their primary in june with PR lol

I like the idea of the super d. mini conv, with some reservations. What I would like to know is in the regular convention, assuming that neither candidate has enough votes to secure the nomination once the first vote is taken do the super d vote then or are the delegates then free to vote anyway they choose?

When do the super ds vote?

tz, that has been a pet peeve of mine for, well, ever since I became aware of the power they have - and I lived in NH and thought it was nuts.

"TKD, you must be looking at a different blog or are buying a wholly unfair knock on Craig. He has posted comments that have been both positive and negative about all 3 of the remaining viable candidates."

Absolutely. Craig has been one of the very few even handed commentators this season.

Good Morning Folks...

Flatus, I thought your name was a take on the Flat earth people...I thought it played up an Creationist view of the US being the center of the earth...I love the CoC idea...

I was checking out Dallas Craig's list this morning and I came across this listing...shall we take bets on how long until these two get divorced? lol

http://dallas.craigslist.org/art/616348606.html

Craig, I agree with your earlier sentiments about this being a daily bash fest of the two Democratic candidates...I will frame things this way, which will transcend the party divide...

YANKEES SUCK!!!!

ManRam read the Secret this off season? He's doing yoga? I love the smell of a repeat in the morning...Since Carville is calling Richardson a Judas, I wonder how long it will take for him to grow out his hair to look more like Johnny Damon? lol

bigotboy asks a great question - I assume they vote when their states do. Anyone know anything to the contrary?

heres something to think about also
USA polls ...just primaries ....clinton leads in popular by 251,000 votes
OBAMA has never won a closed primary (just dems)

supers should look at those facts and figures

Bear, you mean like Johnny Damon looked - before he cut his hair? :-)

bigotboy

For those who have never seen a contested convention, the delegates are only obligated on the first round of voting. If no one goes over the top, let the negotiations, floor fights, dark horses, and general mayhem begin.

They are lots of fun for political junkies.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/12/politically_uncorrected_conven.html

Yes Pogo...now that dude was a Judas...

I don't know...there is just something about the penis being green that is too...uhhhhh(in a word)....EEEWWWWWW 8~D

If they are going to divorce...maybe she should hold on to it...LMAO!!!!

pogo
if they vote the first time and no one wins then its katy bar the door ...everyone is released and they keep voting until there is a winner ....i forgot the amount of times its happened but i think wilson won after 15 or 20 votes

in 1968 they couldnt pick a winner and then drafted humphrey who never ran in the primaries

in 1984 hart wone 8 more primaries than mondale and the super dels put him in

wow..that woman's hubby must be awfully insecure ;)

morning all...

I gotta agree with pogo... seems to me if craig's been able to get both camps upset at him, he's doing his job... he's pretty well stuck to campaign ups and downs too- one day Hillary up, next day Obama up... beware of wolves in sheeps' clothing.. the posts that get you most riled up are likely posted by Rep trolls.. read 'em for what they are..

except for wilson all the other lost in landslides

the Mcover fiasco is what cause the super delagates to be installed so a movement could get their nominee//////he lost 49 state i believe ......so did mondale
maybe thats why the dems had only one president in 28 years

i hate to admit it but i was around for some of that mess ......i remember JFK making 1956 convention speech for stevenson.......

JFK couldnt win this year with the climate the way it is he was too centrist.......he believed in tax cuts and would be run out of the far left

Heather....
as you can see for yourself.....I forgot to warn you about Bear....

as someone who's been living in NH for 30 yrs.....
I don't have a problem at all with us losing our "first in the nation" status....
I like the idea that was floating around here for a rotating regional primary going first.....

it's true this state isn't representative of the American populace at large....
except for the cities of Manchester and Nashua..... there is no minority populations livng here....

of course.... I can't say that too loudly around here without getting the raspberry hurled my way......

Pogo

My grandfather had a really droll sense of humor. He named my father Hyman, and my father, in turn, gave me Flatus.

I nick-named my wife Squeaky (she thought it was because of her voice).

But enough was enough. Our two adopted daughters, when they became citizens, were given traditional American names.

tz

Not saying I've been a political junkie for a long time, but I used to go across the street in 1956 to watch the convention on TV with the father of a friend because we were the only people interested so we had to keep each other company. Strange interest for a 12 year old. :)

Flatus! Loved your Ellis Island story! LOL

Flatus

Your father wasn't alone

http://www.amazon.com/Education-H-Y-M-N/dp/0156278111

heres something to create a storm
there are a lot of these examples
cassius clay became muhammed ali
lew alcinder became kareem abdul jabar
barry dunham obama became barrack hussein obama
only one religion mandates a name change ......he was 27 when he joined rev wright's church...what church did he go to before that

have fun with this ...ive got to go ...nice chatting wih a;ll of you have a great day

TKD are you related to voldemort in NYC?

jamie

i was sixteen ......boy those were better years

We are on to something about Iowa. WHY are they first? Is it because they are always first,or do the sheep Demos follow what the Rebubs do? Yea, we can basically let Iowans(Repubs) pick our candidate. Everyone knows Dems in Iowa, Wyoming, Idaho etc. are more important than Dems in MI or FL (even PA for that matter since the nuts are calling for Hillary to quit?!!)

re: only one religion mandates name changes... there is catholic precedent that the baptized adopt a new name... my husband's is "Matthew"..

Didn't Iowa's role begin with Jimmy Carter's Presidential campaign?

i am catholic ....they dont mandate a name change used to be it had to be a catholic name ....but i dont think thats still true...you could add a middle name at your confirmation and then not use as i did .....

I retreat into my secret escape an when I hear John Sterling passionately yell "An A-Bomb from A-Rod" or "a thrilla from godzilla" [Matsui] Its then my emotion picks up my legs and arms and tendons spring into action fists are clenched my voice hoarse from cheering and at the end I hear that familar chant "the Yankees win" "thaaaaaaaaaaa Yankees win!
thats when I realize just for the moment all is right with the world! :-))

--Heather

Hmm...After seeing your affinity for A-Bombs from Arod, I can now see your affinity for CHOKERS!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!

I have some good friends who are Yankees fans. I don't mind Sterling either, though some of his catch phrases make me want to shoot his ass before Bin Ladens if I had to chose between the two. Sterling did call Larry Bird's ridiculous 65 point game against the Hawks...Sterling is talented.

If you are going to wear yankees gear, don't wear the pink pinstripes...even if you look drop dead gorgeous in em...I can't take you seriously if your 2 jersey is in pink...

For the record, I have said that if you wanted to raise millions of dollars quick, get Jeter and Tom Brady to do 2 auctions...

1. You get to hit NYC with them for an entire weekend and they guarantee you get one of their hot castoffs...
2. You just offer them up to the highest bidder, a weekend alone with them...you think this page gets catty, imagine what would happen if you had gays and straights with deep pockets, bidding on that???

EuroTom-I don't know. I forgot to mention that McGovern and Dukakis can see their record go away. Obama will lose worse than they did.

Tylenol,

With regards to that catholic name change thingee...does that explain why many pedophile priests are named "Pat"....

baptismal names are still chosen

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032300337.html?hpid=moreheadlines

haha Bear.. might be..

Melanie,

All this doom and gloom crap about McCain winning in a landslide is completely unfounded.

Obama may have the pastor problem, but he isn't acting like a senile old fool who looks like he needs to label his left and right legs to put his pants on properly.

Clinton may have likability issues but if she is able to get a fired up Carville to run her campaign from here on out, she can show that McCain has no clue how to manage the economy.

Thing of the imagery of McCain's trip around the world...

Every appearance he made, either Lieberman or Graham had to correct him, on the fly, because he was showing to be either over zealous or just unaware of the facts of his statements.

He should be auditioning a running mate and all he can come up with is Lieberman?

Obama raised $55 Million last month
Clinton raised $38 Million last month
McCain raised $11 Million, those he was all alone in Republican circles...the more I think about it, the less I am worried...

Gordo and others will talk about how the Republicans will make Wright being a flaming tire around Obama's neck, I think of it differently. Students of the Civil War will remember that when the Confederates were in their final battles, they would yell Chickamauga at the Union troops, hoping that memories of the battle would cause the Union to wilt...needless to say that didn't work.

Hey Bear...what part of the country do you live in? Must have been warm enough yesterday to hit some golf balls, no? Or did I misread one of your posts from yesterday.

Re: the Rev Wright's comments... why is that everyone freaks out about what Wright said when Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell said something equally inane and the media didnt demand that Reps walk out of their churches? oh I remember.. it's cos Robertson and Falwell were fighting 'commies'.. or abortionists.. or divorce.. or "bad parenting" .. or gay teletubbies..

Bear, The problem is his "explanation" will not play with the average citizen. We must start learning from our past mistakes. Don't lecture me. I voted for McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis,Gore, and Kerry. the only won I picked right was CLINTON. We need someone strong who can FIX the problems,not HOPE to.

.........and if Obama wins the nomination, for the love of God, vote for Obama.. you really dont want that doddering old fool as president for 4 years...

" he isn't acting like a senile old fool who looks like he needs to label his left and right legs to put his pants on properly."

ROFL, Bear....

Tylenol-I will however in GA it won't matter. It will be RED. That's why we need the traditional blues SO badly. Bear-they are still fighting the civil war here.

Flatus, coming from a family of jokesters must have its good and bad aspects. I generally chuckle, then ask what the hell parents could be thinking who give their kids names that will be made fun of. I hope every kid with a name susceptible to merciless kidding by friends and classmates have a middle initial to take the edge off. Hyman would have been tough - Flatus, not so much.

tz, et al., I knew that all the delegates can do whatever after the first vote - I just assume the SD votes are announced with their states' pledged delegates in each round of voting.

Bear, RFLMFAO

I have a feeling georgia will go red either way... and Bob Shrum said something this morning that was really important.. by the time the GE comes around, people are going to be so fed up with gas prices and the economy (and the war) that it won't matter what the reverend said..

Bear, names conjure up so many different visions. I had never thought about the flat Earth thing. When I posted on Squeaky's behalf in the breast cancer newsgroup, I'm sure people thought the worst of me.

Among the many reasons the Falwell/Robertson remarks did not get the same attention is because it was said about gay people. Too many people are still willing to stand silent or even agree.

Another reason was because Bush immediately said Falwell was wrong/

"President Bush acted swiftly to criticize Falwell’s post-9/11 remarks on Rev. Pat Robertson’s “700 Club” remarks in 2001, calling them “inappropriate” and saying the president did not share Falwell’s views"

GOP state parties are in dire straits : __ Politico
GOP can chart that down to collateral damage

But that's exactly what Obama did.. he said Wright's comments were wrong... and Robertson has certainly aimed his stupid words at more than gay people.. you name it, he's said something just as inflammatory.. Anyone remember the bounty put on Hugo Chavez' head?

Melanie: You're in Georgia also?

Our votes here in GA won't count for anything but it doesn't stop my hubby and I from fighting about this primary. We've never been as pissed off at one another about a primary before. Kinda representative of what's going on right now.

Did score some points at home this AM though ... he has finally realized that Obama has not done well in closed primary states. Is that entirely accurate though? If that is true how can anyone possibly say that Hillary should drop out with a straight face?

That is why this support for BO by party biggies like Kennedy and Kerry is quite suspect. Do they honestly believe that support for Obama from I's and R's will be there in November?

I have been lurking here for weeks, frankly I'm so upset by all the infighting I've lost my taste for politics. I used to adore MSNBC but my beloved KO has turned into a raving lunatic. Do you think KO will do a special comment or annoint himself worst person in the world since his insinuation that Clinton's campaign was responsible for the passport stuff with BO?

Tylenot

Because the whole story is a media invention.
The media supports the views of Pat Robertson or finds him a useful idiot.

The problem is we do not get the reporting we deserve.
No one is practicing journalism anymore. It's all infotainment now which leads with gotcha stories.

tylenol oy vey

that was a typo..

my point zackly, KGC... someone said this morning that JFK couldn't get elected now because of tax cuts? He couldnt get elected now because of bimbo eruptions.. so much for Camelot!

kc, did you mean to address that to Tylenis? :-)

ya know.. I think i like Tylenot.. lol

ty, you are such a contrarian.

:P

"He couldnt get elected now because of bimbo eruptions.. so much for Camelot!"

When Tweety slobbering all over himself about Obama being like JFK, that never comes up.

I hate what passes for the political media in this country. Any journalist who is truly fair and balanced is left out in the cold.

woot! troll sighting!!

Yep, indeed.
Dive, DIve. AAAAOOOOOOggah.

tylenoL

How is Mr. T?

Tylenol

Glad to hear about Mr. Tylenol.

Dear Bear,
LOL, I'd hardly call a team that has won 26 world series chokers! This is a new season of change [wow seems i heard that word so often lol] but seriously it is for the Yankees, Gone are the days when the Yanks would spend half the gold in Ft. Knox for an aging pitcher past his prime.

This year is a talented pitching youth oriented Yankees team tempered with the repentant veteran Andy Pettitte and the great rookie sensation 100+ mph throwing Joba Chamberlain, two time 19 game winner Chein Ming Wang coupled with great prospects Phil Hughe s and Ian Kennedy, balance that with 100+ flame thrower Kyle Farnsworth and great future hof reliever Mariano Rivera in the bullpen, their pitching is set.

We have the best player in baseball lock up for ten years [we love A-Rod!] future hof shortstop Derek Jeter another great offensive and defensive year, the very consistent Matsui. Daman will bounce back and have a very productive year along with Bobby Abreu, and Cano will have a "Rod Carew" type year with surprising power and I look for big improvement with Melky.

Yes life is good at E 161st St & River Ave as a tall good looking Derek Jeter steps out of a cab on Fifth Avenue Heading to his Trump Tower bachelor pad going 3-4 a few rbi's maybe a homer and several great defensive plays at shortstop in a Yankee win. Somewhere on Fifth Avenue you can hear 'ol Frankie Singing New York New York :-))

ahhhh life is good in NYC

I love it!

Heather

The nomination is NOT legitimate without Michigan and Florida. Not allowing Michigan and Florida votes jeopardizes the party in November.

Clinton wanted revotes. Obama blocked them because he knew he'd lose. The nomination has no legitimacy without Michigan and Florida. You can't win by cheating. The entire country loses when the Democratic process is thwarted in order for one candidate to manipulate the process.

If Obama wants my vote in November, he lets MI and FL votes count. Otherwise, I'm voting for Clinton as a write-in candidate.

No Bush/Scalia tactics should be allowed in our party.

Oh one more thing I forgot to add...
Every Yankee Win sends Scarborough and Barnicle one step closer to insanity :-)) just kidding lol

--Heather

heather, I may have misinterpreted Bear's comment, but when he referred to chokers I think he was equating your love of A-rod with your support of Clinton.

My vote for journalist who is the a self made buffoon is Lou Dobbs. His view of immigration has been completely rejected. His concern for the middle class while he worships Georgette Mosbacher have demonstrated what a hypocrite he is. He is also a liar.
He has repeated a number of gooper stories particularly about Nancy P which have turned out to be false. He has never corrected himself.

Of course the best journalist (sic) at CNN is Wolfe Blitzer. How sad is that?

ohhh man KGC.. cant agree with you more about Dobbs! How in the world can that immigration policy of his be seen as anything but the most vile racist view?

Oh ok duly noted, thank you Pogo
I misunderstood.

P.S. memo to me---stop trying to compete with mom you just did not inherit her typing genes, :-(( type slower lol

--Heather

Patsi

It's been ordered. MY education should start on Wednesday, Thanks!

pogo.. you make me laugh.. thanks :)

" Students of the Civil War will remember that when the Confederates were in their final battles, they would yell Chickamauga at the Union troops, hoping that memories of the battle would cause the Union to wilt...needless to say that didn't work."

STOP IT, Bear! You are making me spit Diet Coke on the keyboard today.

Indeed, KC. Dobbs needs to get his meds regulated. I agree with his premise that there is a war on the middle class that Bush has been CoC of, but strongly disagree with his anti immigration stance - which is indistinguishable from the stance of Hannity - and that says enough for me.

Tylenol

I am rather enjoying the fact no matter how Dobbs spins it only a few agree with him.

I think we are in a time for transition for the way people get news. I have been trying to pay more attention to how news gets around my little town. Our issues aren't part of anyone's local beat. So far people seem to get information from signs posted at intersections and from attending community meetings.

ty, I'm nothing if not silly - was it the "Tylenis" comment?

Another good source of information is a local a electronic community bulletin board . I think a lot of people turn to this site for information, they can post a question and usually there are a couple of good answers. It's wide open on subject matter.

pogo..that and "dive dive!' haha

Ty, ah, yes - my dive signal when trolls are spotted (from my old days of watching submarine movies as a kid).

I know the horse is out the door and we have a mess to deal with, SDs and all. BUT,
I learned long ago, as a kid, not to butt in line. As I recall I got the crap slapped out of me for trying to do so. What's to prevent this situation from occurring in the future; the next time a State party wants to move up their primary or arbitrarily change any rule that's not to their liking? Breaking rules has consequences. Just ask a bunch of folks in prison.
And before someone says that FL had no choice because the State legislature controlled the date, along with the financing.
Then let me suggest what to expect, of say , the TX legislature (Republican) the next time there might be a tightly contended democratic primary.
I'm not disagreeing with CC's suggestion but we must learn something from this mess, like I did as a kid.

Ty, ah, yes - my dive signal when trolls are spotted (from my old days of watching submarine movies as a kid).

Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 24, 2008 2:50 PM

Pogo, are you old enough to remember "Sea Hunt" with Lloyd Bridges?

ok.. off to work. i'm on 2nd shift for the next while.. now play nice..and remember.. when all else fails..there's always dancing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsQKBSAg-uk

There is more than one lesson. Perhaps the order of the line needs to be questioned or even the need for a line. Also there seems to be more than one line.

Oh, Bear, looked at the Dallas item. Reminded me of a dinner party we were at in England. Our host was helping me admire the many really interesting items he had on display.

He handed my a cigar shaped object which I then examined carefully. It was darkish in color and really quite light. I had absolutely no idea what it was.

Turns out it was a dessicated walrus penis. I didn't share his opinion as to it's value as an exciting objet d'art.

He had a great laugh at my expense. :-)

Hey KC,
Lets just let the FL state dems and legislature control our party's elections.
Good idea?

rezdog

I din't say that. I just said there is more than one lesson to be learned. Some people believe there should be a national primary.

But I see you are only interested in promoting your own narrow interest and conversation with you about meaningful change in the primary process would be worthless. Thanks for not playing.

Dodger fans who are concerned about Kent and Garciaparra should read "It's Good to Be Alive" by Roy Campanella. A truly inspirational story.

KC,
not playing/
the larger question was one of breaking rules. i.e. If a state party doesn't like or follow a new national primary process, then what?

Rez

It has been suggested several times that four or five regional primaries with rotating positions over the years is the way to go. I would eliminate the caucus as well. The main reason for the caucus is to raise money for the state party and there has to be a better way to do that.

If you had one five month voting season with a set of primaries each month leading to the convention all preceded by a debate series so that people could get to know the candidates, it would solve a lot of problems.

You were talking about lessons learned. One of the lessons to me is the rules have to make sense. If you are going to have a priority of timing -why the states that are currently there? Why should they go first.

I think the regional primaries probably make the most sense.

Yes the two states broke the rules. But I don't think the penality should be capital punishment as you do.

MSNBC is doing its usual slanted coverage with mentions every 10 minutes of Judas Richardson without a single word about Lewinski McPeak.

Noron is being even more noronic that we have come to expect.

An all the commentators are male. How can the powers that be at that network even look at themselves in the mirror without gagging.

Fine Jamie,
But what does a national party chairman do if a state org. does not follow the rule book and break any rule conflicting with the national party?

KC,
It seems to me that in order for a punishment of any sort to be effective, an example has to be set. I hate being made the example. Where's the legal minds here, inre, crime and punishment.

I don't think Michigan and Florida are the same.
And you don't have to admit it here but the truth is had the results been different Obama would be happy to recognize the delegations. We all know it, he said it.

No principled stand against line jumping
just political posturing.

GAKaren-The night of passportgate we turned on the TV and saw BREAKING NEWS on msm. What a joke. Another blogger wrote they are reporting it like it was Pearl Harbor! LOL Of course the next day we found out the full story and KO never said another word. He has gotten sooo annoying. That commentary about Ferraro was THE worst. Of course there was no similar commentary to Obama to renounce , denounce and alltogether remove. Oh , it's almost time to hear Madame Jack Cafferty pose his daily question about Hillary and her being the reason for all the earth's problems. He looks and sounds like a bitchy old woman. Come to think of it we've never seen him and Betty Broderick in the same picture.

The general election is an "open primary."

KC,
I think both campaigns have been flaky, disingenuous at best, about the FL/MI situation. No one thought, including Obama, that this would go past Feb..
MI did play, under threat, in 2004. I guess they believed Dean was a softie this time around. He is!

Rezdog

At the crack of dawn this morning, I turned on C-Span and they were playing Karen Thurman's, the Chair of the Florida Democratic Party, appearance before the DNC last year.

She was pleading that they understand what the FL Repugs did to them--basically setting the date and then loading the enabling statute with exceedingly important items such as the requirement for paper audit trails of ballots.

As a result, the statute passed.

Of course, both houses of the legislature as well as the executive are under Repug control, so...

Thurman's thesis was that they had tried to comply with the DNC rule but were essentially faced with an impossibility. She cited a place within the rules that would have allowed Florida to be granted an exception.

I had to leave before the end of the session, so I don't know exactly what else transpired.

Personally, I think it's about 50-50 whether or not the Democratic Party, in its present form, will survive the schism that's being created.

We may be left with a group of titular Dems with the orthodox wing of the party creating a new entity. Something like what the Episcopalians are going through.

In my my mind, it's patently unfair when something so important as the presidential nomination is decided by whom can most artfully game the rules.

MSNBC is reporting all day the Gallup Poll showing Obama with a 3 point lead,but omit the Rasmussen Poll, also out today with Hillary having a 2 pt. lead..Looks like a pretty close race to me.

One Florida Democrat who supported moving up the date did it because he thought big states should not be held hostage to the petty tyranny of tiny little states.

He wanted to blow up the system. Kind of like the tax rebellions. I guess it would have been better if everyone had stood in line and nicely paid their tax on tea.

"Do they honestly believe that support for Obama from I's and R's will be there in November?"

Yes. That is why I support Obama. A Democratic candidate CANNOT win the general election by winning only Democratic voters.

I'm glad that Obama's Iowa Co-Chair apoligized for his Blue Dress comment regarding President Clinton.

Does everyone have to type in a code every time submit a post? Did I l miss some explanation about this?

OD

I just had to do it on my last post. Seems like a real PITA.

if you get a type key, i.e. REGISTER oregon Democrat, you don't have to use those pesky codes.

OD

Craig said the chances of having that happen are greatly lessened if you participate in the TypeKey system. (That's not foolproof because, somehow, I was logged off TypeKey evidently forcing a captcha session).

OD

If you are signed in on a type key account you should not have to post the little code each time. It's very easy to register.

But Flatus you shouldn't have had to..it looks like you are signed in with typekey

The thing that bothers me Warren about "divisivenss" charges against Hillary is that the MSM and Obama supporters have been throwing this up ad nauseum in every forum, every news article, every television discussion until it becomes a reinforced fact. Hillary is her own person and all this "she's a divisive candidate" has been directed at her because basically the so-called sins of her husband. I know the Clintons have been seen as divisive but I chalk that up to the fact that they were the first Democrats to win the WHITE HOUSE since Jimmy Carter and the power elite, including the media and the Repugs, couldn't handle it and were determined to bring them down.

Rezdog

"a state org. does not follow the rule book and break any rule conflicting with the national party?"

First I think that by having rotating positions over 20 years it would go a long way to soothing the feelings of states that always feel as if everything is settled by the time the campaigns get to them and that they miss out on a lot of the money that the first states receive.

Second by publishing that calendar and pushing it through the media, the public would know exactly when their date in the rotation would be. The national party would be in a better position to enforce the rules as well as any punishment i.e. no campaigning no advertising and only half of the delegates would count. That way there would be no benefit to the state that jumps the line, but the voters wouldn't be disenfranchised as their selection would at least be counted proportionate to the election.

Super delegates (depending on their office) would vote their district or state. All primaries would be closed with change of registration to take place at least 30 days before the primary (No same day registration). Delegates won would be proportionate to the vote not winner take all. That would be closer to the "one man one vote" ideal.

Vote by mail states would not report votes until the date set for their primary.

KC,
I have no problem with amending our primary process, jamie mentioned a couple of the floating suggestions. But, I do think it is important that whatever we come up with, then everyone agree, follow it, and suffer the prescribed consequences if not willing to do so. I especially think each party needs to examine how an opposing party in power can effectively control another's process, and challenge it before it happens. btw, like your boston tea party analogy.:)

Flatus, I didn't see that program, but it's obvious the FL leg figured how to mess with our biz.

I like the rotating primaries idea. The corn husks in Iowa shouldn't be the most important state in this process, and I say this knowing that many of my relatives came from Iowa. And the MSM saying right after Iowa the Clinton basically lost the nomination and Obama was practically unbeatable, well that's simply criminal I think.

Rezdog

At this point, I think they should not be seated. I think I negotiated settlement will only make things worse.
Without another vote, there is no fair way to reach a negotiation.

I think there should be more conversation about what happened in Michigan and the role of the Dingells in making the mess.

Nancy, do I remember sea hunt? You betcha.

EuroTom:

I do not want to break my "positive" pledge. But I think the "divisive" charge made against Hillary - accurately reflects the sentiment of many voters. I do not believe this has been conjured up by the Obama campaign.

Jamie,

If I had vote, I'd be happy to nominate you to the national rules committee. My issue was one of compliance and enforcement.
After all, it's these state officers , who are the ones disenfranchising voters IMO

* hides from the moral police*

rules are rules'they cannot be broken'bent or amended
they are carved in granite'and by god cannot be
changed
rules are so much more important than winning
the presidency

Norah O'Donnell drives me nuts!!!!!!!!!
She needs to stop insulting our intelligence!
She works for GE and she comes out and spews this sanctimonious garbage blaming and acting so shocked Americans do not know the death toll! She knows Bush is running a covert war not allowing the press full coverage the caskets hidden and not allowing the press access!
MSNBC is getting disgusting GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I am so ANGRY!

Talk about milestones what has MSNBC to bring it to people's attention? Oh Breaking news Spitzer and his hooker blahhhhhh blahhhhhhh

Wake up NORAHHHHHHHHHHH!

--Heather

After all, it's these state officers , who are the ones disenfranchising voters IMO

* hides from the moral police*

Posted by: Rezdog

Moral Police? Today you should fear the

LOL, Got my BP up today!

Later all, gotta go pick-up dog crap in the backyard.. lol I'll be thinking of everyone. :)

Nancy, do I remember sea hunt? You betcha.

Posted by: pogo bin agogo | March 24, 2008 3:57 PM

Pogo,
Then you must remember Lloyd Bridges most stellar role: Airplane!

Thanksfor the typekey info..I have only had to type in a code for the past 3 days..I'll see if I can fix it..

I remember Sea Hunt. Lloyd Bridges was named Mike I think..I always liked him and I like his sons. They always seemed like a normal family.

I don't want to come down too hard on Norah she does lots of work for vets in hospitals, I just get frustrated sometimes,
sorry Norah

--Heather

Is anybody in Buffalo?

http://www.dyngusdaybuffalo.com/

rez - a pop in (I need a break) Normally, the penalty for a violation of the rules is a part of the rules. I don't know whether there is in this case or not. What I saw re: FL (MI is an entirely different issue) is that the FLDP was essentially forced to break the DNC rules re: the primary by a Rep. controlled legislature and Executive branch, and the DNC failed to grant what in my view was a substantive request for an exemption while contemporaneously granting trivial exemptions to IA, NH & SC.

The rotating primay idea has merit and problems - in those states that have legislation setting primary dates (and since the SoS typically conducts elections, I suspect most if not all do), they would have to pass new legislation that would allow the Dem primary to rotate and likely be on a different day than the Rep primary - which will cost money and so will be opposed. Ever deal with a state legislature? They vary considerably, but they aren't the swooftest bodies generally, and god help you if you are in the minority party. Another approach would be for the DNC to get out of the Rules business wrt primary dates, What makes anyone tink the DNC is any wiser than anyone else about when primaries should be held? Their lack of wisdom or reasonableness this cycle should disabuse anyone of that notion.

Obama is rapidly becoming a divisive candidate. I think his problem if nominated, will be getting Democratic votes.

Reasons:
1. Absurd attacks on Geraldine Ferraro
2. Playing the victim card as he did in Medford, OR the other day
3. Letting his campaign employees and surrogates run
a filthy campaign while portraying himself as a saint
4. Unfair,exaggerated attacks on President Clinton
5. Sanctimony!!!!!!!!

Oregon:
Thank you!
I totally agree
--Heather

Melanie & GAKaren:

I am also a refugee from MSNBC. The night of the passport story, I tuned into the second Countdown show during the last few minutes, just in time to hear them blaming it on the Clintons. I watched the entire show the next evening, just to see if there would be an apology, but KO acted as if it had never happened. The Clinton campaign has also never mentioned it either, that's the strange thing. They should be demanding an apology, or suspension, or something. Not that it would do any good, but it does show proof of how the media there is so totally in the tank for Obama.

By the way, in case I wanted to join, how do you get one of those type keys, because I keep getting the numbers in the box wrong?

Everyone....especially poor Heather,

Turn you TV's OFF...... ;0)

Oregon Democrat

Yes you do if you are going to use the "Anonymous" selection. It is the only way they could fix getting spammed and the posting delay.

Go to http://www.typekey.com and create a permanent ID as Oregon Democrat (or any other name you like). You get the pretty little blue key by your name as a bonus.

Come back here, log in and then click "remember me". From that point on you will never have to log in again.

Dear jeejee

Just go here and register
http://www.sixapart.com/typekey/
once you do you have a profile and you check keep me logged in two weeks box and it will take you back here

Sincerely.
Heather

Nancy & OD, yup - Bridges was Mike Nelson (I was only 7-10 y.o. when the show origially ran, but I saw it faithfully and saw reruns enough to remember his name).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Hunt

And do I remember Airplane!? You bet - one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. As you can guess, I love silly comedy.

btw, the AAAOOOgah was from a series that was on about the same time as Sea Hunt - I think it was named Silent Service, but I really can't remember if that is right or not.

Sheila--I'm glad you're back. I have no idea how you survive all your traveling.

For all Dodger, Red Sox and Yankee fans on this board... want to hear something REALLY scary?

I'm a die-hard Cub fan.

You've got nothing to whine about, take it from me. :)

Police Squad was pretty funny too

--Heather

just hit and run right now Flatus, but Good to see your impressive and intelligent posting! Keepem Honest!

tz in with the stupid of the day. Which right wing mailer did you pull that one from?

Barack Obama did not change his name. That is his name. He called himself "Barry" for a while in high school just to blend in the way teenagers do.

Actually, it was "The Silent Service"

Karen:
Believe it or not I actually like the cubs and Phillies too

--Heather

Warren: Can't say I share your sentiments about the I/R support for Obama.

I believe his Republican support to be quite soft. Here in GA Republicans went to the polls in droves to vote AGAINST HRC. Can you really count on Republican support FOR Obama in November or is it just a vote AGAINST HRC?

That is my concern and I tend to believe that at the moment of truth in the voting booth come November those Republicans will not quite be able to pull the trigger for Obama when it really counts.

Heather: The Cubs are likeable because they are soooo harmless! LOL

I take that back, they are harmful to the lives and well-being of Cub fans.

jamie, if tz got that from where I saw it, it was at HuffPo - which helps explain why I have largely stopped vising Huffpo. They put any kind of stupid sh*t up over there.

Karen:
Thank you sweetheart I needed a good laugh its been a rough day

--Heather

jamie - and the rw rag HuffPo linked to for the Obama changing his name story was Newsweek. Does anyone believe dropping a nickname in favor of your real name is something we should care about - for even one minute?

For Heather and all who are going crazy from the TV...

dnd sends his regards. ;0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51Ni6_mxAXI&feature=related

And now I must fade.........

Now, like Sheila, I, too must fade.........

Obama is rapidly becoming a divisive candidate. I think his problem if nominated, will be getting Democratic votes.

Reasons:
1. Absurd attacks on Geraldine Ferraro
2. Playing the victim card as he did in Medford, OR the other day
3. Letting his campaign employees and surrogates run
a filthy campaign while portraying himself as a saint
4. Unfair,exaggerated attacks on President Clinton
5. Sanctimony!!!!!!!!

Oregon, I couldn't have said it better myself. Please understand, I REALLY REALLY liked Obama when this whole thing started. What bothers me most is his messianic complex in light of the equally horrible things his campaign engages in.

Neither candidate's hands are clean, trust me. The two people involved are POLITICIANS. BO can spin it any way he wants but in the final analysis he is not the Messiah, he is a political candidate. All I ask from Democratic candidates is to stop the hypocrisy. If I want to vote for hypocrites, I'll vote Republican.

You're welcome, Heather. You have brightened my day a lot. Glad to return the favor.

The Clinton sex meme is way beyond tiresome.

It's so 1990's.

Tried to sign up for typekey..problejms problems..will try again tomorrow..Thank you to all those with suggestions.

karen'
they don't bring up 'monica' for any political gain
its just rehashed over and over to hurt hillary
personally'just for the pure joy of inflicting pain'
poor pathetic sadistic bastards

Kgc, should I send you an honorary diploma from the JennBe School of Typing?

Remember everyone, Nora is preggers so we need to give her a little slack.

I'm a Rep, but I'm not a troll:(

And a final thought before I head off to Tripp's 1st Baseball game of the season, Which would you as Democrats prefer- A paper trail or the primary be held on its original date if Florida? Remember it was a BIPARTISON BILL- compromise that actually helped get something passed that the DEMs wanted in our state. And even though I would be voting for BO, Florida will mostly go for McCain in the general, we really are a pretty red state.

Talk to y'all later

Sheila- Thank you. I think I will stop watching. I go from Cnn to Fox to Msn. Have yet to find a good reporter. I can see right through them. I can remember the days when you could not tell who they were for. Now they unabashedly campaign. I 'll turn it back on if Craig is on(I enjoy his comments) and on April 22 eve. to see all the long faces. Borger, Amy, Carl ,Bob B. Wolf, Britt Campbell(snl made an a** out of her) and all the msnb'ers. They will be writing another epitaph.

Thanks, Heather. I'll see you guys tomorrow, I hope.
And I'll try to be nice; I don't suffer from either Obama-fever or Clinton Derangement Syndrome, I swear.

No one ever really leaves CCTM, do they? It's like trying to give up chocolate...it just can't be done, at least not for long. 8~D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKR3QU3dB0M

CNN and MSNBC are only reporting Gallup.
Fox is only reporting Rasmussen

Why don't they all try being news networks.

Here's a hilarious piece that Heather, Sheila...and anyone else who's sick of the talking TV heads will enjoy. A Washington Post humor writer subjected himself to 24 hours straight of watching pundits on five cable channels simultaneously, and lived to tell the tale:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/18/AR2008031802463.html

Patsi,

Here's a good follow-up from last night. This guy is deemed MS, not one of Gordo's nutcases.

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=969

Puerto Rico is cancelling the caucus and is going with a primary. Seems looking at this mess made them decide a primary was fairer and more straight forward.

Rez,

PB is so racist he barely goes outdoors without a sheet. He just sounds sensible.

i.e. "First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known."

Let's see. Grabbed from your home, put on a ship where a huge percentage of your fellow prisoners die, sold into 350 years of servitude, followed by poverty and uninvolvement in the government of your country that has destroyed your culture, home country, and family structure and then presented with 50 years of white designed fix it programs that do more for white middle class jobs than it does with assisting the communty and then get told you should be grateful by some rich, privileged, overpaid white guy.

I don't think so.

I know Jamie, he has a reach that makes him dangerous,for me.

s It 'Crackpot' to Talk About 'Lynching' on Easter Sunday?

"The sunrise Easter sermon on Easter was entitled "How to Handle a Public Lynching." The video above speaks for itself. Looks like Rev. Otis Moss III has chosen to follow in Rev. Wright's footsteps, comparing the coverage to Wright's un-American harangues to the worst of America's stained past on race, something for which our ancestors no doubt had to answer for to keep themselves out of hell. But on Easter Sunday, you'd think something beyond "lynching" would be the subject.

Okay, so Mr. Obama says the place he's worshiped for two decades is not a "crackpot church." I guess it depends on your definition of worship. Wright used the n-word on Christmas Day, and on this past Easter Sunday, with all the heat on Trinity, Rev. Wright's successor decided that "lynching" is a way to greet the resurrection. Sorry, but talking about the "Roman News Network" sounds pretty "crackpot" to me. Hey, but us Episcopalians have always been a little contrarian and I thank God for it."

http://taylormarsh.com/

Pat's been spewing this kind of thing forever. Back in the early 90s, he went on a long rant about black teenagers in Washington DC putting on sidewalk shows with improvised drums made out of upside-down, 5-gallon paint buckets. He turned that into virtually a cultural war.
Not sure why MSNBC gives him such a platform. On the other hand, I'm not sure why any of these former political hacks -- Matthews, Scarborough, et al, are given positions that imply they are honest journalistic brokers. They are anything but.

Rez,

Think about this. Most of us can reflect on our heritage and say "Polish- American, German-American, Mexican-American" etc.

Why do African Americans use "Africa". That is a whole continent comprised of more than 50 countries. Sen. Obama can say "Kenyan-American" about his heritage. His wife can only use AA.

He knows the country of birth of his father. Outside of having a dna test done, she probably has no idea what country or area was her ancestral home.

Jack, Flatus, anyone,

Good read about the Wright comments. long one

http://counterpunch.org/wise03182008.html

Lal

Maybe we should tell the Matthews, Buchanan crowd that from now on they are European-Americans. All references to Ireland will be severely punished. :-)

OD wrote: "CNN and MSNBC are only reporting Gallup.
Fox is only reporting Rasmussen"

Well if they're reporting today's numbers they would be saying that Gallup has them tied again and Hillary is ahead again on Rasmussen.

:-D

I like that rule Jamie: Continents only for those who are verbally incontinent!

"Chief of firm involved in breach is Obama adviser"

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/22/passport.files/index.html

If the situation was reversed and the headline read:

"Chief of firm involved in breach is Clinton adviser"

the talking heads' heads would have exploded right there on the TV.

If you sort of measure the years of your life with what is happening with the beatles, this is sad ... the passing of Neil Aspinall from cancer.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/music/la-me-aspinall25mar25,1,2750549.story

Video: Carville Stands By Judas Comments

http://thepage.time.com/video-carville-stands-by-judas-comments/

"verbally incontinent!"

Oh GOOD line. That one deserves a position in the bloggers commentary Hall of Fame.

Shall we innundate them with Depends of Silence

Rez...Interesting read you linked to upthread. Thanks.

I do think Wise is wrong on his read of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki history. Japan may have been "ready to end the war" as he says...but certainly not on anyone else's terms but its own. Even after Hiroshima, Japan was resisting unconditional surrender. Even after Nagasaki, the US still (and wisely) had to throw them the bone of allowing Hirohito to remain as emperor. So to describe the dropping of the bombs as wanton murder of innocents is pretty off base. Also, a U.S. invasion of the home islands would have cost untold Japanese lives -- not just American lives. So to turn that reality into "American lives are worth more than Japanese lives" is a reach as well.

I think it makes more sense to put Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the broader context of the immorality of war itself, and in particular the brand of of "total war" that involves deliberate attacks on innocent civlians as was ushered in during WWII. That way, the discussion includes Dresden, London, Leningrad, Moscow, Warsaw, Tokyo firebombing, Nanking, etc., etc, etc.

Boiling it all down to "Harry Truman Was A Murderer" is an oversimplification that serves no purpose beyond polemics.

As I said the other day...this is one of those debates that is pretty well-worn by greater minds than mine...so I'm not presuming to add anything new here.

Has anybody heard what Carville's wife thinks of James comments?

Hey Daryl...speaking of wives, I'm still trying to figure out if anyone knows where Michelle Obama is. She seems to have been AWOL for going on two weeks now.

Wow,
What a joy it is to see Harold Ford Jr.
It is sad that its not Harold For Jr. running for president, if anyone cannot see how much Ford outclasses Obama, talks straighter, more honest direct from the heart, in ways blue collar America can relate to regardless of race color or creed.
And Experience... we don't even need to go there its Harold hands down.

What a breath of fresh air that man is!
If the Democrats do not win this year, heres to Harold Ford Jr. in 2012!
--Heather

"Michelle Obama is. She seems to have been AWOL for going on two weeks now"

The whole family is vacationing in the Caribbean

Jamie...true or facetious about the Caribbean vacation?
I've really been trying to figure this one out, and haven't noticed anyone on TV talking about it. (Certainly not to the extent that it was noticed when Bill Clinton was put under wraps after S.C. That was all ANYONE talked about at that time.)

Certainly agree on Harold Ford, Heather.

Thank You Patsi, much appreciated
Lard its true he really is in the Virgin Islands. Earlier MSNBC had a photo of Sen Obama and his Daughter on the beach there.

--Heather

Lal

It's been mentioned on the news channels a few times today.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/barack-obama-si.html

Oh. Okay. Thanks Heather. So the whole family is on vacation down there. I thought maybe they just sent Michelle and the kids, which would have been more notable...like they were putting her on ice (or warm sand, as the case may be.)

Either way, I think it will be interesting if and when she does re-enter the campaign (or not). I honestly don't think I've seen her interviewed or even sharing a stage with Barack since the Rev. Wright situation blew open.

Jamie...thanks for the link. I'm now up to speed, thanks to you and Heather. :)

Your Right Lard,
I think its because they are playing connect the dots, linking Michele Obama's "America is a mean country" and "For the first time in my adult lifetime I am proud of America" to the hate-mongering rhetoric of Pastor Wright...Maybe the Virgin Island's are not far enough, try Barbados :-))

--Heather

Yes..The Gallup figure out tonight is Obama 47 Hillary 46.
Hillary leads by 2 in Rasmussen..

MSNBC and CNN have been touting the 3 pt previous Obama lead and ignoring Rasmussen..
I wonder if they will describe her gain today..Probably not..

Anybody who thinks this nomination is settled is nuts..

The other day when Gallup showed a good Hillary lead Chris Matthews was almost in tears as he said he could hardly wait for the new figures to show Obama gaining..Pitiful coverage..I remember how he salivated over Bush during the 2000 race in the same way.

Jamie...regarding your earlier great post on PaBu's warped interpretation of black history, and your dismissal of it. I wanted to add a couple more random observations that have been lost in some of the uproar over who should be more "thankful" or "patriotic" or "contribute more" than they already have. Because I think some of this debate is obscuring more important realities that should forever be carved in stone.

--African-American soldiers served this nation in organized units, in combat in World War I and World War II and the wars that followed (not to mention the black soldiers who fought in the Civil War). They did so despite the fact that the armed forces remained segregated until the presidency of Harry Truman. They did so despite Jim Crow.

--There have been a handful of African-American musical geniuses (as opposed to just "great musicians") whom I would proudly and loudly, as an American, group with, Beethoven, Mozart or Shostakovich as representatives of our nation's contribution to world culture. They are: Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker, Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane. I still cannot make my mind register the fact that these guys made their contributions in the time of Jim Crow. I can't imagine Duke Ellington being told he couldn't go into ANY restaurant he wanted to. It is just an incredible thing to process four or five decades later.

I figure the best way to deal with those msnbc creeps is this:

A. I dont watch them.
B. I dont mention their names, or talk about them (They LOVE to see their names mentioned just about any way you can mention them.)

Now I go back to not mentioning their names or talking about them.

LaL

One of the best informal blogs I've found on the web is "Electronic Village". I read him at least once a week simply because the view of black history and current events is done so well. Your own reaction to some of the stories is a good gut check on your own rationaizations.

http://electronicvillage.blogspot.com/

I really enjoy the blog even if he is supporting Sen. Obama. :-)

Oregon Democrat ---------------------------

"I remember how he salivated over Bush during the 2000 race in the same way."

If Obama gets the nomination, CM may salivate over McCain. Remember, he is one of JW's "LBs".

Tweety needs to rename his show "Obamaball!"

Norah is hot and sharp and Pat is very good when it comes to presidential politics.

Those are just a couple of reasons why I watch MSNBC. Plus - they are always talking about politics!

MSNBC can get caught up in the gossip just like the average American (we often demand it....doesn't Us Weekly have a higher subscription rate than Newsweek?) And I appreciate the NY Post - but wouldn't quite call it journalism....(and that's not negative - its just being honest ; ).

Warren...

You may think Norah is hot and sharp on TV, but she is anything but in real life. Trust me on that.

And Pat B. is an unapologetic, unreconstructed racist. I don't even think HE would deny that. I don't think Pat would view the word "racist" as a perjorative term.

I've always enjoyed Pat B. even though he is a bit nutty. Every once in awhile he says something that makes me cringe. At least he is principled and is willing to go against the popular view of the moment.
He also is something very rare, a conservatie with a sense of humor.

Whenever I see someone saying they like Keith Olberman, I wonder what their parents fed them as infants.

Jamie...thanks for that blog link. I'll check it out for sure.

Pat is tribal. And he is in touch with the rage expressed by Rev. Wright - and a little out of touch with how much this Country has changed...

(but like I say - when he votes for Obama it will be like an act of contrition - he ain't no fan of John McCain!)

*warren's credibility vanishes*

"Pitiful coverage..I remember how he salivated over Bush during the 2000 race in the same way."

Yeah....makes you wonder....

Warren...that's funny!
I agree with you on his take about McCain. But I honestly don't see Pat voting for Obama. If it comes down to it, he'll probably just write in Lyndon LaRouche, or maybe even himself.

"The Clintons would rather see McCain win, than Obama. Then Hillary could run in 2012."

I heard several political analysis say that today.

This explains the Clinton's "we have to destroy the village to save it" behavior.

Heather & Patsi--Could not agree more--Harold Ford has always exuded depth, knowledge, honesty--a class act --was greatly disappointed on his exit. Today was the start of his tenure on msnbc, adding him is definitely a + for msnbc.

And Heather---you have a Yankee ally here---in my presence, everyone knows that no one gets to criticise the "Captain"---ever!

Nash..

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/a-superdelegate-mini-conventio.html#comment-57712

You put the comment in quotation marks but you don't attribute it to anyone specifically. So we're just supposed to accept your strawman as this, sort of, composite of something you heard. What's that all about?

Then you move from that unattributed point to an incendiary conclusion of your own that looks just made up, and in fact is just totally unsupported.

If I recall correctly, you are an academic?

I think you need to go back to footnote class.

Ford is in the tank for Clinton ("not that there's anything wrong with that.")

I'm off to the bar!

A lot of Yankee fans here , eh? I'm a Tigers fan as well as being a longtime Dodgers fan. Should be a another exciting season in Detroit. Hopefully , the Dodgers will do well , too! Of course , the Tigers aren't the big story in Detroit now and they won't be until Kwame Kilpatrick resigns , which is very doubtful.

Warren

There really is a REASON we call Norah NORON. She is at best a glorified news reader with little to no cultural knowledge to relate to the stories she is reading.

Hey good news all you Clinton folks, BHO scheduled for The View this Friday, March 28, 2008

http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/info?pn=news

Warren..{{{wait up}}}!! LOL

Corey...Tigers will be interesting this year. I like that team and think they have a lot of personality, even though I'm a hopeless Royals fan and supposed division rival.
I'll definitely root for Detroit in the AL playoffs, just like I did last year.

I used to like Royals as well when I was younger. Back in the George Brett , Hal McRae , Amos Otis and Frank White days. I went to a game in K.C. back in 1993.

Fortunate son
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I

Jack

Rez,

Hilarious! Thanks for the heads up.

I guess Obama's next stop after The View will be an appearance on "The Wiggles" or "TeleTubbies"

Heather...Norah is pregnant, but I don't believe she does any work with veterans. That's her mom who does that. If Norah does any, it's only incidental to a visit to her mother.

Warren...I'll give you that Norah is quite lovely. However, she has an incredibly irritating laugh, and really isn't particularly bright, IMO. But then, few of the news readers on any of the channels are particularly bright....

MARINERS fan here! Love baseball!

LaL,

He's got to do some TV since she's dodging the NC debate. :(

Corey...I'm a True Blue KC fan. Saw the very first game in Kauffman Stadium back in the early 70s (John Mayberry knocked a homer over the right field fountains in that game). Spent probably 35 games out in the G.A. section in right field in the Glory Year of 1980, even though the Phillies beat us in the end. Saw all the 1985 greatness up close. Went to lots of games every year I lived there.

Am flying up, in fact, for the Home Opener in a couple weeks...just as I have the last many years.

Being a fan means loving your team even when they're in LAST PLACE!

Rez....you kidding? Hillary is actually turning down a debate? I didn't see that.

Oh...Heather...sorry to say this...but when my Royals beat your Yankees for the AL Pennant on George Brett's climactic home run off Goose Gossage back in 1980...it was time to get the 10-gauge out...and shoot it off in the middle of the street. And so we did. :)

That's the latest word., can't verify it. Abram's gave her a strike for it..)

Rez. Wow. Don't understand why.
Unless there's some supersecret plan that's under all media radar, I think she's totally blowing an opportunity in NC, as well as in Puerto Rico.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Yeah , I rooted for the Royals against the Yankees as well. I was happy as well when the Dodgers finally beat the Yankees in '81.

Corey...as a reporter in 1984, I saw the Sparky-Gibson Tigers absolutely destroy the Royals in the playoffs on their way to destroying everyone else that year. Gibson was totally in his prime...I remember not even rooting that hard, really. It was like rooting for Bambi against King Kong.

I heard earlier today that Hillary is willing to debate in North Carolina..

OD,
This is no big deal for me..just thought it was interesting and Abrams dinged her a bit for it.
Uncomfirmed as of today.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/24/12493/7559

Dear Coreen:
((((((((((((((Love and hugs to you))))))))))))))

Lard lets not forget how many times the Yankees defeated your Royals in the playoffs :-))

but i'm a good sport Lard and politically we are on the same team so(((((((((((((((((((Love and hugs)))))))))))))))))))))
to you as well Lard :-))

Sincerely,
Heather

Richardson's interview on the Today show reminds me a bit of the famous David Wilhelm video (re: but what about the will of the people? Uhhhh...NIMBY).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23775925#23775925

Watching Frontline
my Daughter is sung as a bug in bed and after Frontline this irish colleen will rest her weary eyes.
Good night Craig and to each and every one here on Craig's blog Love and blessings to all. see you in the morning Good Lord willing

Sincerely,
Heather

The Man and The Machine
Understanding Obama Through his Chicago Roots

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/the-man-and-the

Jack

Touch a name on the wall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ZLg3TRqSo

Jack

Rez -- Good Common Dreams article. I almost don't want to get into this anymore. My first "race" conversations came when I was in 4th grade and my mom had to move to a larger town to finish her degree. My dad held the fort at home and supported her decision.

At this new and much bigger school I had two best friends, a black -- he referred to himself as a Negro -- and a hispanic -- he referred to himself as a Mexican.

My black pal informed me that the movie theater had a balcony for Negroes. I asked why and he said he didn't know for sure. My hispanic friend,Paul, told us both that one day the "Mexicans would take over" ( I asked why and he said he didn't know for sure.) but added that Johnny and I would be okay because we were his friends.

There's an interesting thought process to that whole take-over dialogue, and one I'd love to pursue with Paul if after fifty some years I knew how to find him.

All I know is this. When Johnny told us that an area on the edge of town was called N***-town, I suggested we rename it "Duckberg," because we were all three fans of Donald Duck cartoons, and we liked Duckberg.

Okay, it wasn't a great moment like Barack's. But I will tell you it was real. And when people like Chris Matthews admit they never even knew any blacks, never interacted with them, and now think they are having the conversation for the first time in their stupid lives, my bullshit antenna shoots up.

A June Super Delegate vote sounds like a good idea, so they won't do it.

I see what y'all are saying about KO being pro Obama. Seems that the whole channel is. I don't know what to make of it.

I'm not sure why, but the continual first & last names of the Dem's is getting on my nerves. I'll be glad when the "Hillary Clinton" "Barack Obama" thing finally end.

Lots of folks are talking about how 'dirty' the run is. As far back as I can remember that's what was said about every Presidential race. Nothing new, it's still politics.

tt

"Lots of folks are talking about how 'dirty' the run is. As far back as I can remember that's what was said about every Presidential race. Nothing new, it's still politics."

Tiptoe nails it.

Watching BBC news on BBC America. It is necessary to freshen the palate. So far there has been nothing but sane, in depth coverage of the top news stories. They managed to cover at least ten stories for Iraq, Kurdistan, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, Iran and Tibetan protests in the space of a well read half hour.

Did you know Bhutan's king has ordered his subjects to hold a democratic election? They did and elected the party to parliament who promised to leave as much power with the king as possible. :-)

Now they are getting into their "human interest" stories: Ecosystems of the South American rain forest, Loss of honeybees with a visit to the almond groves of Bakersfield (Buy Hagen Daz Honey Bee Ice Cream) profits are going to hive collapse research.

They will get even lighter for the last 15 minutes with movie reviews (Stop-Loss) and an artist whose subjects are the great players of the Negro League , but not once will you hear a raised voice, mispronounced words, or rampant stupidity.

Patsi,

"My black pal informed me that the movie theater . . .land he said he didn't know for sure. My hispanic friend,Paul, told us . . . but added that Johnny and I would be okay because we were his friends."

Thx for sharing (sappy sounding).
Actually it reminds me of the good ole days, however I'm sure me and my friends were talking about sex..LOL

I was raised in Tulsa, OK and in 1921 there was a race riot in which several hundred blacks were murdered and "colored town'" was burned down. Obviously I wasn't alive but I grew up which friends (parents) and family who remembered.

"Actually it reminds me of the good ole days, however I'm sure me and my friends were talking about sex..LOL"

Awk! Rez! In 4th grade?

lol,
We were trying to figure out how and why babies came about.

My older brother is CM age and all of us kids (5) went to public schools the whole way. I bet he didn't have black classmates until he when to college at KU (Lawrence) and I'm not sure about that cause he went to Haskell Indian School first and grad KU in 65.

Jamie, British TV was sure funny when we were there (79-81). We had to have a license to operate our TVs. They were pretty expensive, but if you were blind, you could get a discount.

There were only a few channels.

Unlike here, the programs started and stopped when they felt like it--this one would start at 9:17 and finish at 10:14. One channels stops and starts never matched another's. So, if you switched channels you were always missing something.

The two most popular programs were Dukes of Hazzard and Dallas. Very few people watched the 'quality' productions that we associate with the Brits. Go figure.

We tend to forget that most Brits are just Blokes at heart.

New Obama Girl video ..:-)

http://www.barelypolitical.com/obama-girl/episode/hill_get_out_20070324

I got BBC America several months ago and love many of the programs. My favorite is Cash in the Attic..not very cerebral but the regulars are so nice to people. I love the British and the Irish.

Before the night slips away, I'd like to congratulate everyone. Today has actually been enjoyable at C-list, not caustic, lots of good conversation. Didn't cringe once while reading the posts. Hope it continues.

"I'm not sure about that cause he went to Haskell Indian School first and grad KU in 65. "

REZ! I was just toddling off to bed....my high school played a b-ball game with Haskell Indian in about 1962....the Dodge City Tournament of Champions....Haskell Indian Inst. was an AWESOME team!

Surely you didn't mean Matthews went there....explain.

Hillary has won all states when large margin of mexican voters.
Hillary has the Jewish vote
Rezko tried to get his/Obama Arab friend Wahiri into US - Rezko sponsored him and Obama as US Senator as reference - Visa denied. This according to Chicago Sun Newspaper article on Obam/Rezko ties. And his ties to Khalidi.
So Jewish vote is Hillary's.
Obama has not won the Blue collar vote .
What white people now know about Wright won't vote for him.

So what's left? Few repubs, some indeps and young people.. Black vote.
I do not think he can win the General Election..
Julie

testing

thanks to Heather and Jamie I am now able tp post

Patsi, and thus it was written from time immemorial, politics is politics.

It was carved on stone tablets by cave men who wanted to be president of the tribe.

tt

Patsi, No my brother went to Haskell Institute in 60-62,
small world

Rezdog,
I am okie from Checotah and have aunt who was Choctaw/ choctaw cousin who was born in Stigler ( Haskell county) and runs the Indian agency in Stigler.

My maternal family line started the Council House church and Indian School north of Wyandotte Okla.
He taught the Seneca and Wyandotte Indians. The Senecas adopted him into their tribe by Chief John Crow and gave him the name ta-na-gra-coe- which means - all around the world.. His name was Harvey Wallace. This occured in 1923 and he died in 1950. Church is still there and used, but not sure about the Indian school any longer...
Julie

Hi Julie, I use to work for the SC Tribe in Grove.1st wife was a Seneca..I know lots of Choctaw folks, some freedmen too.
Visit later, DW hollering at me lol

New Post

tt

(ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) ― A published report says that years after Gov. David Paterson said he ended an affair with a state employee, he traveled with her to South Carolina while working on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign.

The Times Union of Albany says he billed the state for the trip.

Paterson spokesman Errol Cockfield didn't immediately respond to a request for comment today. He told the newspaper he couldn't explain why records show Paterson and the $151,000-a-year employee were at the same inn. )

This happened in 2007 he billed the state for it. How could we make Spitzer leave office for the same thing? Patterson should leave from office as well if we are keeping everyone to the same standard.

The Obama's give little to charity even with an explosion in their income levels:

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/25/152754/611

It will be interesting to compare the percentages when the Clinton taxes are released.

I'm a little uncomfortable with all this taking place behind closed doors. It's too reminiscent of the times when party bosses would meet in smoke-filled back rooms. I ran across this network:

http://Superdelegates.egonest.com

It seems like Smoke-filled rooms 2.0.

George Bush sat for 7 minutes; BHO sat for 20 YEARS!

We need a president with a faster reaction time.

BHO will win all the Red states (in the primaries); and LOSE all the Blue states in the general election.

If the Democrats nominate BHO, they will be forfeiting an election they would otherwise have won.

I thought the goal was to end the War, stop the killing, save the economy, and protect the constitution. Guess not.