Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I'm not a big fan of the convention concept. I disagree that we are too weak to handle a contest to the convention.

One thing I've learned along the way is that conventional wisdom is often conventional , but often is unwise.

I'm not the least bit bothered by a robust contest. In the end we will select one candidate. It might even be the two who are running now. On the other hand...

Great Trail Mix.

Very clever and Cardinal Nancy LOL -would she be wearing robes by armani?

Rez....I really do have to toddle now...but talk to me about Haskell Inst!tute I was such a fan!

One last thought....I think that with all the talk about what can or cannot be said, no arguing, no contention...what we should all do is start posting recipes and rose growing tips.

Good idea. Someone's got his thinking mitre on this time.

Love it, Craig! What a hoot. *L*

tt

Patsi,
I posted some replies on previous blog
Later

Craig:

Bravo! Very entertaining ... but Pelosi's tahitian pearls may clash with the red cardinal hat.

I'm hearing that Jewish and Israeli folks are not liking Obama. Am wondering if this is true.

tt

"my brother went to Haskell Institute in 60-62,
small world"

Wow -- Rez...that's fantastic! That was some team...does your brother remember the Tourney of Champs? We were the Sublette Larks, a town of 1300, and called the Cinderella Team by the KC Star.

Oh shoot! Too late! I am not trying to throw cold water on this very cool video, but I was going to ask Flatus if this was an original thought, or was it a bit of copy-catting, if not downright plagiarism. Last week Bernard McGuirk , producer or WABC's Imus In The Morning, suggested a College of Cardinals to elect a governor of New York, after Governor Paterson started dropping bombs of his many extra-marital affairs, and then threw his wife under the bus when he basically said 'she started it!'.
Don Imus provided the impetus for McGuirk's remarks when he brought up a comparison to when Pope John Paul died after something like a month as Pope, and John Paul II was elected by the College of Cardinals.
And while a Super Delegate Convention makes sense, HRC and her campaign would never agree to it. As you told nash, Craig, HRC will fight all the way to September instead.
Now, I want to hear Dr. Dean's thoughts on this matter.

Heather,

If you are hanging your hopes on Joba Chamberlain, Kyle Farnsworth and the rest of that ghastly pitching staff, you're gonna be in for a long year darling...As a Sox fan, the Blue Jays and the Rays will hit a ton and have decent pitching.

The Tigers have a ridiculously strong lineup and they have better arms than both the Sox and Yanks...The Angels and Mariners both look good...I would not be shocked if either the Bosox or Yankees missed the playoffs this year...it seems the injury bug is already biting hard...

Someone asked where I live to be hitting balls on the range...I live in Fort Worth, TX. I played in a charity golf tourney...it was 70...I am sore as hell

Corey: Kwame Kilpatrick is indicted, and facing 10 to 15 in prison for perjury, but he won't cop a plea and wants to go to trial, when the prosecution has audio tapes clearly spelling out the perjury? The man got a death wish or sumthin'?
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Rebel Ren and all baseball fans, including Corey, EdVB, bear, and anyone else, here's the psalm the great Tiger broadcaster Ernie Harwell used to usher in the first Spring Training game of the season, for many years:
"For, lo, the winter is past,

The rain is over and gone;

The flowers appear on the earth;

The time of the singing of birds is come,

And the voice of the turtle is heard in our land."

Excellent job Craig - Love it. Send it to the DNC..

Julie

bear: Boston is the team more affected than any other by injuries this Spring. Beckett is in Florida, not Japan, working out the kinks in his back, but is not close to being ready. Schilling is out, too. Ouch! Pedroia was injured, too, this Spring. On the plus side, Manny and Big Papi both lost body fat and are in the best shape of their lives.
Tigers? AWESOME prospects for 2008. I was really saddened to read where Curtis Granderson will miss maybe a month now. Brandon Inge quit lifting weights and has stretched his muscles out and is ready to take over in center until Granderso returns.
The White have a Cabrera, now, too...and he will help them improve ,as he is a great shortstop.
I am so happy Detroit also got a great ss, Renteria.
It's gonna be a KILLUH season!!!

Yes we can!

And my TV reviews:
JOHN ADAMS on HBO. FANTASTIC! Last night's episode , in which Adams travelled to Paris to arrange a meet with King Louis was a hoot!
Tom Wilkinson as Ben Franklin is great! Poor John Adams...a fish out of water in France, can't accomplish a damn thing, and Ben Franklin is having a blast. "Oh, to be 70 again", he says.
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BUSH's WAR on public tv stations:

To us who followed it from 9-11 to The Surge, little new is revealed, but the rapid-fire interviews are great...this is mesmerizing television, and available to view at pbs dot org.
I highly recommend both these shows, especially see Paul Giammatti as John Adams. Great stuff, all.

btw, Heather - I have been a Yankees fan since the days of Mattingly and Winfield.

Always a fan of the Classics...

If it was up to me - I say we let the people decide this thing. They have been doing a good job so far!!

Sanctimony..this is why this lifelong Democrat, wil find it difficult to vote for Barack Obama.

Listen to the WHOLE song (why not)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkVGClqrT4

CHANGE remains the same:

http://www.dailykos.com/user/Warrentowers13

tt: A friend sent me this link ... don't know if this helps with your question but I thought it was a nice article.

http://thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c55_a5420/Editorial__Opinion/Opinion.html

Dexter et. al: HBO's John Adams is awesome. I was afraid it would be boring. So far so good. LOL

music interlude:

Clapton and Dr. John, "St. James Infirmary"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJA21UmUquI

Thank you and good night.

...didja hear the one about the pilot who fired a weapon during a flight to Charlotte?

It was just a matter of time. What next?

Dear Craig , Everyone I bid you all a Good Morning

First Craig I loved the video it was great! you just left out the incense and the alleluia choir :-)) just kidding and my compliments to Andrew Satter who did a great job with you but of course Craig you are the start,. I hope CQ provides you with your own trailer, entourage and security lol. [just kidding Craig]

Warren I knew God blessed me with a reason to like you a lot!

Bear Bear Bear lol my lovable Bear i'm laughing as I drink my coffee the Yankee Pitching ghastly thats funny we will have a talk about that at the all-star break when Joba may be the starting pitcher :-))

love you all!

--Heather

Dear Craig , Everyone I bid you all a Good Morning

First Craig I loved the video it was great! you just left out the incense and the alleluia choir :-)) just kidding and my compliments to Andrew Satter who did a great job with you but of course Craig you are the start,. I hope CQ provides you with your own trailer, entourage and security lol. [just kidding Craig]

Warren I knew God blessed me with a reason to like you a lot!

Bear Bear Bear lol my lovable Bear i'm laughing as I drink my coffee the Yankee Pitching ghastly thats funny we will have a talk about that at the all-star break when Joba may be the starting pitcher :-))

love you all!

--Heather

ooops sorry that went twice I thought i was d/c

--Heather

" But just why is it that we so strongly believe that Senator Obama has a message of hope and a new kind of politics? In the preface of his book The Audacity of Hope which he patterned after a sermon of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright, Obama gives us a glimmer of an answer.

Audacity of Hype

“I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all, of them.”

You see, Senator Obama believes that if enough people project their views of what he should be onto him that he will be able to take advantage of their ignorance and become elected to the highest office of the most powerful nation on earth. That is the more subtle message to what Obama states plainly. But he won’t tell you that because doing so would cause you to wake up and realize that he is just taking advantage of your hope and your faith in him to hoodwink you into giving him the reins to power."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/24/the-shape-of-things-to-come/#more-1920

LOL

For the past weeks I have listened and enjoyed the pundits yet again and again and again.
these poor people, have totally no sense e of what is going on in the real world.
They continuously write Hillary off and try to influence the public with their mantra: Hillary can never win this nomination. Our beloved Barrack, has continuously did the same.
My question is: If she is written off completely, why is everyone still hassling her? Why has Team barrack launched a full assault on Hillary? Can someone please explain....

Pfffffff.

Barrack, knows that he is slipping majorly, and he knows that probably he has to d whatever he has in his tank to try to stay close (eventhough he has the current lead)
But why isn´t the media picking up on the full assault that Barrack has launched/ Or is it only valid if it come from a female?

Alas,
I am enjoying every bit of this. Enjoying the way the DNC is making a spectacle of themselves, and blaming Hillary.
Enjoying how people like Nancy Pelosi (who by Gods grace has received a step) is trying to manipulate) and enjoying how pundits make themselves as unpopular and non valued as ever!

The only problem I have is that it will take another hundred years for another black person to ever become the president of the USA and that to me is a sad story, seen as I am a black man!

I wished that Barrack had stayed his course, not accepted endorsements form Kennedy's, Kerry, Richardson etc... and made way for Hillary. he would have been unstoppable a few years down the road, instead he chose for the immediate spotlight and will now dwindle into obscurity.

Sad!

The only thing Hillary needs to do is hold on. Barrack´s party is about over, and he may well plan his concession speach. This one is Hillary´s...... even if all MSM will continuously try to attack.

Can I get an AMEN?

Dexter

I channel with Imus, but didn't here that segment...sounds like it might have been interesting.

I concur with your evaluation.

(typical white guy's "amen")

Just watched the video. Truly well done!! Makes up for DirecTV's satellite not functioning properly this morning--no Imus and no bunch of other channels.

you can access Imus on line at wabc radio dotcom.....

good morning gang.....

Craig..... another great video!
especially loved the hat on Dean that's too small.....

Dex, Bear...... GO RED SOX!
(although DiceK isn't doing so good in the opener in Japan at this moment)

gotta go run my father over to the VA..... will be gone until sometime in the afternoon.... don't beat each other up too much while I'm gone......

General McPeak gained traction during the Reagan years. I don't think any of the active duty people were thrilled when he became chief of staff.

He tried to reinvent the AF doing really stupid (and costly for the troops) like making uniform changes that gave the officer's stripes on their uniform sleeves like the Navy has.

Everyone gave a collective sigh of relief when his term was up.

I only saw him once, he was commanding the 20 TFW at Upper Heyford in the U.K.. We were conducting a practice operational readiness inspection of the 20th. My impression was that he was in the lower half, in the battle staff environment, of wing commanders that I observed over the years.

For those of us who remember the McCarthy hearings, I think we can agree that Bill Clinton is no Joe McCarthy. (Thank you Senator Lloyd Bentsen!)

Imus--Thank you Sturgeone

Cspan is addressing some plan to stop the demo madness.....it's on until 8 AM

Heather, just saw your post from last night about Yankees-Royals! Those three losses in a row in the playoffs are part of what made 1980 so sweet when our turn finally arrived!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/a-superdelegate-mini-conventio.html#comment-57740

This is a link to "TalkStreamLive" - Imus and much more.

http://www.talkstreamlive.com/

Gov Philip Bredesen D-Tn.......at present uncommitted....."the super delegates job is exactly to assess 'electability' "........

"Take this thing off auto pilot....."

Dexter,

I wouldn't get too much farther into that beautiful bit of imagery. Once past the turtledoves things get pretty x rated or at least as x as the bible gets.

Craig,

You should run that video past Imus. If it was a case of great minds having a single thought (Flatus and McGurk) then getting it on TV could make it go viral.

Anyway, it was fun and certainly possible once the primaries are past in June.

This is the only fairly recent commentary on the Jewish vote which is not as monolithic as it once was but has a heavier turn out than other groups

Hillary Clinton won the Ohio and Texas primaries Tuesday with the support of most Jewish voters, polls showed. Jews comprise only 1.3 percent of Ohio’s population but their “proven practice of going to the polls in greater numbers than other demographic groups makes them an important voting block for candidates who are locked in tight races,” according to Zogby polling company director Fritz Wencel.

Sen. Clinton has won the Jewish vote in every primary to date except for Connecticut, Massachusetts and California, where Jews backed Sen. Barack Obama.

This is My Personal Open Op-Ed

This comes from my own heart and feelings on Race in America:

I will begin with Jessie Jackson who in my opinion is, and has been a cancer on African Americans for decades. I can hear the gasps, goodness is Heather racist? No! Not at all. But Jessie Jackson is.

This is a man that has done nothing but profit of the suffering and misery of his own people. He has taught Black America to be dependent, to be angry, and played the culture of African American Slavery in America like a Master Violinist on Stradivarius, the melody is of white liberal guilt

Which brings me to the mess that we have in the Democratic party with super-delegates we have today. Jessie Jackson was basically a sore loser in in the 1988 primaries so he invented this scheme of proportional congressional voting that assigned X amount of delegates by congressional districts. Jackson tried to tie this into minorities getting proper representation and therefore racist, sadly the powers that be bought this lie. In my heart I honestly believe Jackson laid this out not so much for minorities but for himself so he could have an advantage for a future run. Jessie Jackson always does whats in his own best interest.

If you want an accurate and honest name for this proportional delegate nonsense try Affirmative Action Voting and like other forms of Affirmative Action currently, it has led to a disaster and created a big mess, this is what happens when extreme left radicals are allowed to hijack the Democratic Party.

It's time we stop listening to the Jessie Jackson/Al Sharpton /Barack Obama cabal, they do not speak for all African Americans. We need to stop seeing Black America as a monolith aligned with the Jackson cabal, it is simply not true.

If America wants to break the chains of enslavement then they need to start listening to the Harold Ford Jr.'s Ward Connerly's, Shelby Steele's and Larry Elder's etc. These are prominent African American's that have served their community and America well, far better than the Jackson/Sharpton cabal

They have taught African Americans that they need not be dependent but independent. Sadly the American media elitists ignore them for fear of being labeled racists, the liberal extreme left African American radicals ostracize them as "uncle tom's" . Why? the Answer is simple, the Jessie Jackson's and Al Sharpton's will lose their power, they are the true racists they want their people enslaved

1. They profit from it
2. It provides fodder to perpetuate hatred and race warfare
3. It provides fodder for the Black Separatist movement for radicals like Pastor Wright

If any race or minority wants to be emancipated it must learn to compete on merit, hard work, honesty, and a good moral code of character. When you win on those terms and overcame obstacles along the way it makes your achievement that much more precious a victory that one can say was truly earned not given. A victory a person of any race color or creed and take pride in, that is also a victory people can respect.

This is what will create and cause racial egalitarianism, harmony and mutual respect for people of all races in this great Democratic Racial Melting Pot we can call America with love pride and honor.

Yes there are racists and racist organizations but Thank God it is the exception and not the rule
When we see racism we must confront it, we have a moral and Christian obligation to do so and if we fail to do so we have condoned it by our failure to act upon it.

We need to have a great nation where people of all races compete as equals and the bond of mutual respect for each other is the common heritage we all share regardless of race color or creed

Once Affirmative Action was needed but now the true blessing is that those days are gone. Its time for all of God's races to blossom and grow.

Just my opinion
Thank you
Sincerely,
Heather

For all David Paterson's considerable charm and wit, his managerial style has been described by Democratic insiders as "jazz government." He is not into discipline. He's no good at firing people. His greatest political talent seems to be being in the right place at the right time.
http://www.observer.com/2008/gov-patersons-main-man-former-jesuit-natural-politician-charles-obyrne

jazz government and now he admits to using cocaine and marijuana..

Obama campaign accuses Paterson of being a racist

Mornin' All!!! Morning Joe is in Tallahassee today and speaking to the Restaurant Association. I shall report how it was this afternoon, just in case you are missing him this week, LOL!

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
---Friedrich Nietzsche

Goodness MSNBO (Mika and Matthews) are desperate to spin the race for Obama. They are tiresome.

BTW - the Video Trailmix is an instant classic I think.

Heather,

You write really well and might truly enjoy a blog. If you go here, they will walk you through

https://www.blogger.com/start

You will need a Google account first if you don't already have one.

https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount

Dear Wendy,
Good morning and you are so right!
Tiresome is the word constant Hillary bashing 24/7 on MSNBC

Sincerely,
Heather

http://heathercuttie.blogspot.com/

Heather has a blog

Mika is being more outrageous than usual. My favorite was when she asked a question, didn't get an answer she liked and gasped out "REALLY?". Tweety is just feeding off of her and Willie looks like he wants to hide.

How MSNBC can have anyone on who is so totally partisan trying to fake balance is beyond me, but at least her stupidity has finally gotten to the level of shaking head in disbelief.

Didn't know. I now have Heather on my Trailmixers blog roll.

Yea, i came downstairs to see what Craig had to say - knowing full well that it would be much more interesting and insightful than anything that crew was talking about.

Did Mika really try to say Hillary's misstatement about Bosnia is equal to Obama's Wright problem? Yes, Hillary was puffin' her adventures around the world up and got caught...it was a funny blunder...but that does not equate to the Wright problem.

There is the 20 years in a separatist church, then there is lying about what he heard while in the pew at the separatist church, then there is the fact that it is just another in a long line of questionable relationships/friendships.

Rev. Wright v. Hillary's "Big Fish" story . . . not even close.

And nobody really believe Matthews is as "concerned" as he's trying to portray himself.

As I said yesterday Lou Dobbs fat f--k and concern troll for the middle class is the biggest jerk on tv and he soldiers on to keep that title.

Dobbs asked if Obama is "pandering to ethnocentric special interests again" by accepting Richardson's endorsement
Summary: Lou Dobbs introduced the March 21 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight by announcing: "Tonight, Senator [Barack] Obama wins the endorsement of the nation's only Hispanic governor, Bill Richardson. Is Obama pandering to ethnocentric special interests again? We'll have complete coverage." The subsequent report included no discussion of whether Obama is "pandering to ethnocentric special interests."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803240009

Dear Jamie:
Thank you so much for your kind compliment.
I do have a blog @ blogger, I haven't kept up with it lately Blogging there feels so lonely no one ever goes there so I felt its just not logical to devote so much time and energy to it.

You really need a cult or loyal following to have a blog.
In any event my link to it is in Craig's blogroll

Sincerely,
Heather

Clinton embellishes her war story (hello Ollie North) and Obama lies about his relationship to Rezko but according to pasty puffy white guy Tweety Hussein Matthews she has a problem

The teaser for the story was disingenuous though.

The one thing you have to give Dobbs credit for on that report is that when the guy said the speech did Obama some good because Richardson endorsed him for it...he said, "Do you really believe it was because of the speech? Do you really believe it was because of the speech?" I like that he called Richardson out.

He does also make a good point about divisive politics.

KGC

I'm glad I'm not the only one that found that ridiculous.

Wendy

Lou Dobbs is such a disgusting reprehensible fake journalist to find anything worthwhile you have to pick through a load of garbage,...simply not worth it to find the occasional nuget of truth. His role in the Nancy P fake plane story is a perfect example. Even when presented with the evidence the story was totally false he refused to correct himself and kept repeating the story. He should have been fired and as I said yesterday it is a pretty sad statement when Wolfe Blitzer is the best your network has to offer.

Hmmmmm

Heather....Interesting.

I do not agree with everything, but I do agree with teh fact that people like Jesse, Al, Barrack etc do not speak for this black man!

I listen to the voice within and will not be bound or tangled by race or colour, eventhough I fully support my race.
I think with this election we are shown yet again that people will continuously grab the race card when it benefits them. They do not care if they have to use it, re-use and recycle it, als long as it gves them their due!

sad.

I am not bound as I say however...

Anyway,
I will continue to read and assess...

Proud black us citizen living abroad and supporting Hillary

OK

If CNN , MSNBC, FOX are no networks to watch, where should the general unbiased public get their stories?
Which MSM is unbiased in your opinions (this is an honest question)

I am an american citizen and living abraod, so I get different news.... which is (let me say it delicately) rather unbiased.

ps: I love the way Wolf Blitzer continuously refers to the best political team on TV on CNN international. You have to be quite in awe of yourself to constantly flatter yourself that way. GET A LIFE Wolf! LMPO

Mornin' all.

JennBe, it's a good thing for you that you're a republican - it would be a shame to go to a restaurant association meeting and not be able to stomach the food because of the speaker. And btw, I really am just kidding.

Heather, I won't argue about the racial aspects of your editorial - racism is certainly not hard to find by turning a few rocks over, and IMHO it can be found pretty much wherever you care to look. And Rev. Jackson - well, he's a flawed vessel, but I don't condemn him to the extent you do.

As to the proportional delegate system and the Jackson Rules from '88, I'm a little fuzzy on this, but my recollection is that before the '88 reforms, the dems had a system that based delegate apportionment on taking the highest number of electoral districts, and it would be entirely possible for a candidate to win a state's delegates with a much lower percentage of the popular vote yet get a much higher number of pledged delegates. Someone maybe can help me out on this. If that is the case, it seems to me that while messy, the current system is more democratic than the old system. I think that in principle, proportional election of delegates is the only democratic approach - the issue is on what level should it operate? Options could be by county, by congressional district (based either on state or national districts), by state, or nationally. Obviously, the national level is unworkable although it would be arguably the most democratic option.

I don't see the problem as proportional delegate apportionment conceptually, but rather the ridiculous application of it as has been demonstrated in this primary season, combined with the uncertainty introduced into the system by the super delegates.

Then again, there was no 24 hour news cycle in '88, and I wasn't reading major newsapers on a daily basis, so I didn't keep up as closely as we do now, so as I said my understanding of the process before and after '88 is fuzzy.

KGC

You make a good point...I don't really know enough about him because I don't watch his shown...I never watched it regularly anyway but it seemed like every time I happened to land on it he was bangin' on Hispanics so I don't really bother to watch.

Wendy

Exactly. My view of the media in general for Democrats is like we all have Stockholm syndrome
and are just happy when some little tidbit of truth comes our way.

The truth is the msm stinks. They are nothing more then a pr agency for the Republicans (and the status quo) I urge people to find Democracy Now either on line or on tv. Link TV also does some good shows,.

Heather,

If the Yankees need to make Joba a starter this year, that will be the first major sign they are throwing in the towel on the season. They should learn from what the Sox did with Papplebon and keep him in the bullpen...

Am I the only one who thinks maybe it's a little too personal for Carville with this Judas thing...anyone want to bet that maybe Bill tried a little grab ass with Mary Magdelin...err Matalin?

jason - in what country abroad do you live?

James Carville would be greatful if anyone would grab at the frozen face of the Republican Party,.

He go her as used goods --she prances around on the low moral ground as a divorced Catholic and I'll betthis marriage is buyer's remorse on sterioids

or every lie she tells there is less movement in her face
by the end of the year, she won't have a facial movement at all

Dear Pogo:
You make some valid points and when you say it is a more democratic system, in some ways it is, in others it is not. When you look at it as a formula of representational voting I guess you can make a valid argument that it is democratic.

Now when you look at the larger picture it is hardly more democratic. It has lead to race bating, racial disharmony and created a racial divide among the masses. Many voting according to race or racial issues. Ultimately this will lead to a super-delegate showdown at the convention no matter which decision they make one race or the other will feel racially disenfranchised.

Instead of melding the races together it will create the opposite effect, I fear that the races may become more polarized as a result.

We need unity not division unfortunately this will not be the result after the convention This is why I say its not more democratic.

Somewhere along the line great minds will have to unite to resolve this open wound on the democratic party with a resolution that will be one of strength and unity that will strengthen and preserve the Democratic Party and the democratic process.

Sincerely
Heather

MANRAM...4 RBI!!!

I'm jealous, I have family living in Tokyo and they took of school to go to the game today...

Btw Heather,

It's comforting to be able to talk baseball with a woman...proves there is hope for the fairer sex yet...lol

Yes, I am kidding...

It's a good thing that Hank Steinbrenner is running the team so we have someone to hate again...as a baseball fan, I love Jeter, unless he's hitting in a clutch spot, Matsui is great to watch, if I wanted to teach someone the game, I would make them watch the 98 Yankees...Paul O'Neil was a stud and that team was just heaven to watch...

Found an article that talks about the Obama campaign open to negotiations on Florida and MI.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/elections/article429960.ece

Interesting read.

Dear Jason:
Thank you for your response
It is duly appreciated
Sincerely,
Heather

Heather,

Try doing a regular meme and start visiting the people who participate. It really builds up traffic to your site. I do Manic Monday http://morgenfiles.blogspot.com/ simply because it is fun and a good writing challenge but there are scads of them out there and just once a week going through the participants' blog roll can really get you going.

Found an article that talks about the Obama campaign open to negotiations on Florida and MI

that's a joke Either the votes count or they don't.
This is just Obama's reacharound.

I wouldn't want to vote an then have someone else decide who I really voted for. He knows he is a big fat hypocite and is just trying to spin it.

Everyone embellishes their adventures a bit and I'm sure Sen. Clinton probably took the sound of gunfire and turned it into an EVENT. So something that happened ten years ago is not exactly earth shaking. Of course, the media wants to turn this into a huge ethical flaw on her part.

Jamie

I had a martini last night made with Hendricks gin
mighty tasty It wasn't what I expected at all but really good,

Bear wrote: "anyone want to bet that maybe Bill tried a little grab ass with Mary Magdelin"

To clarify...you mean Richardson right?

ROFL

;-)

What is it with those Bills

Back from another session with the doctor. Gotta give my brain a few minutes to recover. Here is a animated cartoon of Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. Enjoy!

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080325/BLOG2401/80325010

Jason

For World News http://news.bbc.co.uk/

For US News try BBC America. You can't watch full shows on line, but you can watch the major interviews

http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/300/index.jsp

As long as you take their bias into account then CBS and CNN are probably the best overall American outlets

Pogo, I am in the Netherlands

Heather -- I have mixed feelings about Jesse. Sometimes I think he has been an excellent advocate for black issues, and other time a disaster. Mainly, I wonder how he and Sharpton became the spokesmen for their race. There are so many people I'd rather hear address race issues, Maxine Waters for one. And she can be a firebrand when it's needed....in case anyone thinks I'm looking for an Uncle Tomasina....

Pogo, I am in the Netherlands for two years

Tweety has certainly gotten a pass on his outrageous statement yesterday about the Clintons:

"4,000 people are dead now because of decisions made by politicians like the Clintons"

Where are the news directors? Is there anybody in upper-management in MSNBC with any moral compass?

Scratch that question...the answer is obvious.

Heather, I certainly can't argue that the process this time around has not been along racial lines. It has, and almost to a ridiculous degree. I don't attribute it as much to the system as I do to black americans having for the first time a candidate who is not only viable, but is a real contender for the ultimate prize. Jackson tried to build his rainbow coalition, but saw existing rules work against him. To an extent, you are correct about the way the current rules work - a look at the county maps versus the delegate apportionment in states such as MIssouri, where Obama won 5 counties total but split the delegate votes with Clinton is instructive.

And I absolutely agree with your 9:28 post..

Pogo, I am in the Netherlands for two years
Jason
Welcome

If I lived there I would weigh two thousand pounds

pucinni koffie bonbons and french fries not too mention gin, cheese and beer

Jennbe

Sen. Clinton won Florida by 17 points and the Obama team thinks a 50/50 split is "fair".... In other words don't count the way it happened but the way we wish it had happened without changing the count at all.

Now I could understand reducing the number of delegates as a form of punishment, but the total votes and delegate percentages should hold or it is just plain silly.

God, KGC -- I have either been up too long writing (since 3:00 am) OR I am becoming a lush. Your talking about a martini made me want one.

I love the Hendrick's website.

http://www.hendricksgin.com/us/about/index.asp

It is funny. I haven't tried it, but it sounds interesting with an infusion of cucumber (?)

Do click on the above link even if you have no interest in gin. It's worth it for the bowler and bumbershoot match. :-)

Jason - that's one place I've never been, but just this past weekend I planted some bulbs from there. (and planting bulbs in the spring probably explains why I have no luck at all with them. lol) My impression of the Netherlands is pretty positive. How do you find it there?

Patsi, please stop refferring to Al and Jesse as spokespeople for our race!
The are NOT, i repeat NOT!
The spokespeople for the black community are the ones who work their asses off and make a living without complaining. They are....
I hate it that these peole profile themselves as frontrunners and torch bearers for the black race, and the media just happens to go along with them!

I am so happy that these people have backed away from Clinton. It is the establishment that is old and tired, that is backing Barrack.
Who was talking about change and is now being backed by the establishment.......?????

Sorry for getting angry, but I am always getting upset when people say that aforementioned individuals are ours spokespersons...PLEASE....

@Patsi: This is not personally intended....

Dear Bear!!!!

You are absolutely correct the '98 Yankees were a team that could be put on auto pilot and could run themselves and you proved my theory for me, that being that Joe Torre was far overrated as a manager.

Before he came to the Yankees he was a mediocre manager at best. He was not very good at handling pitchers. [surprising in that he played catcher]

I was not in love with the idea that he was a "player's manager" I'm of the old school and believe in discipline and strong hard work ethics not soothing player's bruised egos.

I'm more of the Billy Martin, Lou Pinella Earl Weaver style managers. Having said that sure you have to temper the "its my way or the highway" attitude with proper counseling my grandfather said Walter Alston was the best at that.

Granted that Torre had more success in championships but that in part was due to George Steinbrenner, who in my humble opinion did what every owner should do, create the best possible team he or she can put on the field.

Many media elites balk and say its all the Steinbrenn's fortune; unfair unfair.

Rubbish! Marlins blow that theory out of the water. Besides Didn't Rupert Murdoch own the Dodgers in the largest media market, I can go on and on

Many owners own teams for egos or tax dodges they are hardly dedicated to the excellence of a ball club.

I believe in rewarding excellence not laziness or failure those are the same principles George Steinbrenner believes in and why the Yankees had great success under his ownership he took over a team that had failure written all over it when Dan Topping and Del Webb sold them to CBS who hated the Yankees and did nothing to improve them.

Finally George Steinbrenner rescued the Yankees in '73 and steadily improved them to become contenders and finally W.S. champions in '78

Steinbrenner had a strict military school background which served him and the Yankees well. He had the genius to make Gabe Paul the GM who created the nucleus for 77 / 78 Yankees

When Torre makes the HOF he will have Steinbrenner in part to thank for it. I just hope Steinbrenner gets in as an owner, he earned it.

In closing Bear, I think it would be interesting to see which team would be best '27, '61 '78 or '98 Yankees

just my thoughts Bear,

Sincerely,
Heather

Kgc, should I send you an honorary diploma from the JennBe School of Typing? Yes,

Jamie

You don't really taste the cucumber but it is has a very fresh taste. If you get a chance try it. I'm not sure I would "invest" in a bottle as it's expensive but it was fun to try it.

Most of these "cardinals" are the same gutless fools in Congress who can't stand up to Bush and end the war. But THEY are going to pick the nominee?

And of course they'll pick Clinton. That's the safe bet for cynical, corrupt establishment pols. The grass-roots energy swirling around Obama scares them.

And what about George Costanza's contributions to the Yankees of the 90's???

Pogo/ KGC: The Netherlands are ok....
Not all that glamorous, but a very down to earth country.. i have to say, not so hysterical as the US :))
I am here to broaden my horizon and expand my knowledge (finance & economics) and it is very ok!

Jamie: Did Barrack specifically say that he wants 50/50?

I had a peak at the HRC website and found yet an interesting blog from Peter Daou: Three myths about the democratic race. Think it is quiet accurate

The grass-roots energy swirling around Obama scares them.

Like the Tasmanian Devil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Taz.png

Patsi

Been up since 3am and now it;s about ten your time
I think it is martini time for you :)

I remember when people did drink (alot) at lunch.
Now ...if you even think about a drink at lunch people are ready to cart you off to rehab

Nash

"The grass-roots energy swirling around Obama scares them. "

A 47/46 split in the national electorate is hardly a ground up landslide.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105589/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Clinton-Back-Tie.aspx

Corey,

He has to drop in once a day to call someone a racist. Yesterday was Craig's turn, today it's me and heather.

Patsi, Jackson and Sharpton are two very different people and have historically represented very different issues in the black community (or at least appear that way to this middle aged white guy).

Jackson's bona fides go back to his association with MLK - he was among the folks who tried to continue Martin's message, but at times got it garbled. I saw him back in the early 80s and was very favorably impressed-his was a message of inclusion and participation at that point.

My impression of Sharpton is that he was a community preacher and organizer who stepped up to the microphone at every opportunity, and thanks to James Brown and Tawanna Brawley, got an ear nationally. His roots with Jackson go back to the late 60s,but he is, as they say, no Jesse Jackson. I always thought his presidential bid was an attempt to get his name out nationally so he could cash in with a tv show. I'm frankly surprised he didn't get a show on Fox - O'Reilly loves him.

Jason,

Yes. They say it is a way to "seat the delegates" without honoring an "illegal" election. They said the same for Michigan.

Jason

thanks for mentining the Peter Daou column. It is quite good.

here's a link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-daou/three-myths-about-the-dem_b_93089.html

Jamie: This is exactly was talking to my husband about today. When Tweety goes on Morning Joe and starts ranting and raving like a lunatic that we need to stop talking about the Clintons, who cares about the Clintons, it's politicians like them who are responsible for Iraq blah blah blah and we need to look to the light, to the yellow, it's as if he feels he is addressing a few naysayers. How about half of the Democratic party? (And I question this...I think Hillary has the support of MOST Democrats...even if only by a small margin.)

nash,

please email me at transcendingstatusquo@yahoo.com

colleen

And I know...I need to stop watching MSNBC.

Pogo

"Jackson's bona fides go back to his association with MLK - he was among the folks who tried to continue Martin's message, but at times got it garbled. I saw him back in the early 80s and was very favorably impressed-his was a message of inclusion and participation at that point. "

Jackson just happened to be in the right place at the wrong horrible time. He built that into a national political reputation when the actual leaders who had worked closely with MLK simply went about their business with real programs and progress but didn't do a lot of self promotion.

I went out for breakfast this morning. There were 2 couples sitting at a big table in the restaurant. All 4 people looked like they were 80 years-old. As I was about to order , I heard one of the women say "The saugsage links were tough last week! That's why I ordered bacon!" Thanks for the heads-up! Well this woman gets her bacon and says "It's all on top of each other!" The waitress walked by and the woman said "The bacon was cooked a lot more than we like it! It's hard!" I hope my life never gets to the point where I complain about mundane things like sausage links and bacon!

Ally,

"I think Hillary has the support of MOST Democrats...even if only by a small margin"

What I see happening is the media "selling" the American public on the idea that they are in the minority by backing Sen. Clinton. It is easy to get disheartened when all you hear from the news media is Barack, Barack, Barack.

Congressman Ford is correct that if she can take a state that she isn't expected to get i.e. Indiana or NC then that could shift everything to her favor again.

Jamie , someday I'll tell you the story of a woman named Miranda.

Corey,

I bet she was crabby about little things when she was in her 20s. It just got worse as she aged. Basic personalities unless someone really works at being different just don't change that much.

jamie, I don't disagree about Jackson - following MLK's death - but I did like him carrying forward MLK's much less confrontational message than the remnants of the much more radical messages from the 60s.

Corey, I think you must have run across some of my dear departed family, come back to the physical world for breakfast.

As a former Energy Secretary in the Clinton Adminstration , this is a special project for a team co-chaired by Bill Richardson and James Carvelle.
There must be one recommendation presented by June 5th.
There must be a cease fire between the two warring tribes during the period of deliberation.
Topic: Democrats Energy Crisis:- How to synchronize Pledged delegate power with Super delegate power.
Project team: Bill Richardson, James Carvelle , Geraldine Ferraro , Claire McCaskill, Merrill McPeak , Mark Penn,Howard Wolfson , David Axelrod and Howard Dean.

Jamie: I believe it is the demographics of Hillary's support that provoke the idea of irrelevance in the media. Women (and men) over a certain age, LGBT, some who are less educated, some who are less economically advantaged etc. In other words, the members of our society who are invisible to our government are now invisible to the media as well...it's sad.

"It is the establishment that is old and tired, that is backing Barrack."

Jason,

And who might that be? It's sure not these youngsters, C. Rangel, Emanuel Cleaver II, S J Lee, Andrew Young, Robert Johnson to name few off the top of my head.

I just cannot see Jessie Jackson put in the same category as the great Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

If I am wrong I will formally apologize I just see him as a profiteer off of the racial prejudice of African Americans just check Goldman Sachs, Coca Cola outside of Noah Robinson what other African Americans benefited from it?

Jackson's Wall Street project earns several millions how does this benefit African Americans?

Jackson got 2 million from Viacom how did this benefit African Americans?

I'm not against Jackson or anyone getting wealthy. It is how he got that way that is wrong. I just cannot see profiteering off racial prejudice.

I just have too much love and respect for Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. To associate him with Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton

I simply see those two as opportunists.

--Heather

Pentagon: Missile parts sent to Taiwan in error
Defense official says mistake 'disconcerting' and intolerable

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23793653/

couple had a baby.....baby grew up and soon the couple noticed the child did not speak.....they took him to the Mayo Clinic, no success.....they took him to every speech therapist they could find....no luck....the child was mute.......he grew up without saying a word.....at the age of nine one morning after the mother set his breakfast in front of him he said, "This bacon is not crisp." The mother dropped her jaw and exclaimed, "You can talk! you can talk!" She called in the husband and said, "He can talk, he can talk....he spoke very plainly to me...." The husband asked the boy, "why have you not talked all this time, all these specialists....?" The boy said, "Up to now, everything's been ok."

"Few people end up being United States senators by accident; at a minimum, it requires a certain megalomania, a belief that of all the gifted people in your state, you are somehow uniquely qualified to speak on their behalf; a belief sufficiently strong that you are willing to endure the sometimes uplifting, occasionally harrowing, but always slightly ridiculous process we call campaigns."

The Audacity of Hope at 104-05.

(If you have not read it - make sure to put it on your summer reading list ; )

Yes Ally that is true
You need the gravitas of old white men to be considered a viable candidate

Gary Hart, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy Tom Daschle,
Bill Bradley. We are the face of the new generation of poliics. We do have some old men of color too just in case..

ally
clinton is ahead in primaries only (not counting caucus's) by 254,000 votes
obama has not won one closed primary (dem voting only)

this info is on USA election polling and is posted on pollster.com

Heather, oh, the Jackson of today is not the Jackson of the past, and I don't mean to equate him with MLK. MLK is just where his journey began. His runs for president put him on a different path, or at least coincided with that diversion. I think it would be interesting to hear Bear's and Jason's take on JJ & AS, and Alpha's if alpha was still around.. Their perspective would likely differ from mine or yours.

Heather:

"I just have too much love and respect for Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. To associate him with Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton."

I agree. And also believe that Obama is a lot different the Jackson and Sharpton as well. Based on what I have heard, Obama has a much different perspective than those two. I also don't think either Jackson or Sharpton would disagree with the statement that they are not in the same league as Obama when it comes to politics.

Milquetoast:

(can't you choose an easier moniker?)

"I am a D who will vote for McC."

Go fly a kite (you should have seen what I originally had in here ; ). Unless you can give me some legitimate reasons - why you as a Democrat - would be voting for John McCain.

Posted by: warren

Warren: An Open Apology

This was my first opportunity to post this.

I will admit to one error in my posting. "I am and have always been a registered democrat", who supported democrats 95% of the time, and have NEVER VOTED for a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE and have given my time and money "only to democrats." But I am at heart an independent so my posting should have read "I for McC and not "D for McC." and I am "sorry" for my posting error and to you personally. I could post "some legitimate reasons" why I cannot support Obama and prefer McCain but they would displease you greatly.

Milquetoast (I not D)

I just pointed to the article because it was a different take than just "Obama is against any form of resolution in FL/MI." Me, personally, I'm in the camp that says the DNC and canidates made their bed and now they need lie in it.

Well I'm off to downtown to see Joe, I hope they open it up to questions, I would love to be able to ask about the comments he made on Bill Maher a couple of weeks ago.

tz: Makes sense to me.

ally
here the link to that info

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/

When we started the primary race - it was a contest for delegates.

I am over engaging in what type of creative analysis gives Clinton a "victory."

You can't change the rules in the middle of the game. Good luck Clintons on trying to convince the Super D's. Especially when your most loyal supporters have already pledged their vote.

Since Feb. 5th - Super D's:

Obama +48
Clinton -5

(Facts are stubborn things - just not as stubborn as the Clintons ; )

sturg - LOL

Pogo, Heather

My idea of a leader for both the AA and White community is Congressman Ford. That man can utter more good sense in one paragraph than the Rev. Jackson has uttered in 40 years.

If Senator Clinton actually does manage to get the nomination, this is who she should pick for VP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Ford,_Jr.

Milquetoast:

"I could post "some legitimate reasons" why I cannot support Obama and prefer McCain but they would displease you greatly."

Try me.

btw, I am a registered Independent who supports Obama.

Corey reminded me of one of my favorite old jokes....one of those meant to be told as a real first person experience.....but it's all in the telling....so I just cut it short to the punch line....but try it in a bar some time........lol

Dear Jamie:
hi5 girl!!!!!!!!!!!! I totally agree with you! :-))
--Heather

Jamie:

He certainly was auditioning last night. But I don't think she would ever do it. HRC would go with a safe pick - Rendell, Bayh, etc.

remember super delagates are not set in stone ....they can change just like the weather ....they are pols and no pol is loyal to anybody case in point bill richardson

btw, Harold Ford is no Barack Obama.

(sorry Patsi....)

jamie,
HF,Jr. is indeed a good choice. I caught him on the tube last night (or was it Monday?) speaking in his role as DLC chair and he does make sense when he talks., particularly for such a whippersnapper. :-)

like the tennessee governor said on Cspan this morning, the Main and Only job of the superdelegate is to decide electability of the nominee in the general election.......end of story on the superdelegates.......they will be voting for someone who will win in November.
Let them do their job and let the chips fall where they may........

sturg, you aren't suggesting that the superdelegates should follow the rules that apply to them rather than vote as they are told they should by the campaigns are you? What the hell kind of logic is that?;-)

"Harold Ford is no Barack Obama."

Thank Goodness

People are getting into other people's sex lives, again.

And those people are lying , again.

Politics as usual.

tt

I was born in a Logic cabin

I have been hoping for the "brown ticket" since before this race started: Obama/Richardson '08!!

Sorry people - hope beats experience this year.

Don't forget:

-D. Cheney - 35 years of “experience,” Congress, VP, Sec. of Def. and Chief of Staff.
-D. Rumsfeld - 13th and 21st Sec. of Defense, Congress and Ambassador to NATO.

(and don't worry - the Clintons are part of the Democratic party and will support the Democratic candidate. They will also both play significant roles.)

And I don't care the GOP is telling you now - Obama/Richardson is the only ticket that can beat McCain/Crist in FL. (Despite all this clamoring about disenfranchisement.)

And McCain does not have a prayer in CA or NY.

"Patsi, please stop refferring to Al and Jesse as spokespeople for our race!
The are NOT, i repeat NOT!"

Ha! Sorry Jason -- I should have said "self appointed."

"And of course they'll pick Clinton. That's the safe bet for cynical, corrupt establishment pols. The grass-roots energy swirling around Obama scares them. "

I couldn't disagree more, Nash. I think they'll b e afraid to pick anyone BUT Obama. The media and Obama's campaign have set it up so that they have to do it.

And I don't care the GOP is telling you now - Obama/Richardson is the only ticket that can beat McCain/Crist in FL. (Despite all this clamoring about disenfranchisement.)

And McCain does not have a prayer in CA or NY.

Posted by: warren | March 25, 2008 11:30 AM

Care to cite something that backs up this statement
since you are the only person on the planet who believes this.

My idea of a leader for both the AA and White community is Congressman Ford. That man can utter more good sense in one paragraph than the Rev. Jackson has uttered in 40 years.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | March 25, 2008 11:13 AM

Which is why he works for Fox News.

And I don't care the GOP is telling you now - Obama/Richardson is the only ticket that can beat McCain/Crist in FL. (Despite all this clamoring about disenfranchisement

Crist is not going to be the vp. Bill Richardson is not going to vp.

The rest of your specious argument is moot

cite = "the truth!!"

Can you cite something to support the notion that CA and NY will vote to continue the Iraq War and also let another Republican President handle the economy right now.

And FL - well that is just a gut feeling - and I am from FL so I probably know better than you since you live on "Mars."

I think Obama/Richardson would win a significant majority of the Latino vote in FL. Add in blacks, everyone under the age of 35, anti-war voters and Democrats and I think they would have the best shot (even though it will be tough).

tz, I don't think you are right about Obama not winning any closed primaries. According to the CNN website, Delaware and Maryland are closed primaries, and he won both of those. (Although it pains me to point this out).

ok, old white men on mars - I suspect you may be another lawyer in our midst - two words normal people don't often use - specious and moot - but lawyers do suggests that to me. Am I right, or have you just watched too much Court TV?

Frank,

Since I never watch Fox, I wouldn't know. I based my opinion on other shows where he has been a guest, panel member, or spokesperson.

And FL - well that is just a gut feeling - and I am from FL so I probably know better than you since you live on "Mars."

I may be on Mars but we get polls here and you are in need a gut checkup.

I think Obama/Richardson would win a significant majority of the Latino vote in FL. Add in blacks, everyone under the age of 35, anti-war voters and Democrats and I think they would have the best shot (even though it will be tough).

All this demonstrates is a complete lack of understanding about the voting history of the Latino community. McCain is well received because of his stand on immigration issues. The Latino community is not going to turn its back on him.

It is disengenous to have Bill Richardson on the ticket after his statement about the leadership of the next generation. You are making statements you cannot back up with facts.

Whatever dude. You are doing the same thing. And I trust my judgment more than yours.

Pogo:

Mars used "disengenous" (even though it is spelled wrong) - another tell-tell sign we may have another shark is our midst.

Posted by: pogo | March 25, 2008 11:55 AM

People on Earth don't realize it, but people in heaven can see into Hell and vice versa. One day, God and the Devil were talking:

God: "You know, my people see your people, with the jazz bands, the all-night partying, drinking and debauchery, and they complain about just sitting around on clouds all day."

Devil: "Yeah, and my people complain about the heat, having to work most of the time, and that your people can just sit around."

God: "I'd like to build a fence, but it's not fair for you to get the benefit without paying for anything."

Devil: "No problem - I'll pay half. Just send me the bill when its finished."

(pause ...)

God: "Hey, I built the fence over a year ago. I sent you the bill, and you still haven't paid. If you don't pay, I'll sue!"

Devil: "Oh, yeah?!? Where are you gonna find a lawyer???"

Whatever dude. You are doing the same thing. And I trust my judgment more than yours

Not quite dood. You were the one making assertions.
I questioned them and you folded. Not the same at all.

.

Try me.

btw, I am a registered Independent who supports Obama.

Posted by: warren

Although I disagree with you on your choice I have read your remarks for the past few weeks ( I am a new interloper ) and found you resourceful in your ability to parry and temperate in your tone.

Regarding my moniker, I choose "Milquetoast" because of an article I read in the NY Times in which Maureen Dowd wrote and I quote: "Obama is the more "emotionally delicate candidate" speaking about the two. To honor the spirit of that statement I took the name Milquetoast which I feel reflects my view with Dowd's judgement of Barack "Dorian Gray" Obama being "emotionally delicate" and as my moniker suggests an individual defined by weakness.

Like most in MSM Dowd is a fervent supporter of Barack "Dorian Gray" Obama and her only criticism of him over the past few months has been his lack of grit and spine which she repeatedly mentioned in her column about Barack "Dorian Gray" Obama's debate performance against Hillary.

Warren I took note that you posted your "edited" reaction to my comment (your civility is appreciated) that I would support McCain over Obama. I keep hearing the glamorous chatter that 20% of "Dorian Gray's" supporters may bolt to McCain over Hillary making my vote seem inconsequential.

I was a Joe Biden supporter and knew that the "day" he announced would be his "high point", Twenty four hours later, I became a strong Hillary backer. I am acutely aware of the MSM's bias against the Clintons and "Dorian Gray's" supporters will not allow Hillary to emerge as the nominee, aided by Nancy Pelosi who has said that even if Hillary wins in total votes that it "doesn't matter",

Judgement/Honesty: Barack Obama went on every major network and denied all knowledge regarding his pastor, and is by any measure the most proficient liar I have ever had the pleasure to listen to. His follow up speech transferred the burden to the audience while the questions regarding his pastor remain unanswered. I could not vote for someone who I feel lacks the toughness, as mentioned before and the honesty to be president. That "Dorian Gray" exposed his own CHILDREN to such incendiary speech makes my support impossible and "Dorian Gray's" portrait more repugnant.

Finally why would I as a INDEPENDENT vote for McCain? During the Paul Wellstone memorial in Minnesota when the throngs chanted WE WILL WIN which I listened to in horror and watched in a fetal position, this act abruptly ended my FIDELITY to the party and freed me to choose the lesser of two evils..

P.S. I am as frightened of the far left as I am of the religious right and therefore a moderate which means I should be cloned for future study before my kind become extinct.

Milquetoast (I not D}

Why would I fold when I have a better hand? You must not know much about cards...

Hmmm...pogo and warren...I'm not a lawyer, but specious, moot and disingenuous are all words that I include in my vocabulary. Old White Men on Mars may be a lawyer, but I think she's also one of our regulars in disguise....

Why would I fold when I have a better hand? You must not know much about cards

You are running a big bluff.

Anyone can make up a hypothetical and that is all you have done. However if you want to have a real conversation about political realities, then facts are important but you only seem to thrive in a fact free environment. When challenged on your understanding of the Latino vote and the fallacies in your theory you try to pretend there are no facts and everyones opinion is equal

I not D:

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/mccains.pastor.a.sharp.contrast.to.obamas/17481.htm

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2008/03/mccains_pastor_problem.cfm

Read these, think about Iraq, the economy and S. Ct. appointments. This is not the year we see a resurgence in Reagan Democratis (not matter what the GOP and Hillary supporters say right now....).

Facts - just look at what happened in the 2006 elections.

Hillary is backed by a ton of loyal Democrats. Most of them will vote for a Democrat in the fall.

Mars:

You bore me. And the Clinton campaign is based on hypotheticals - so I should be speaking your language...

Milquetoast

You and I must be from the same planet and do all our shopping at Moderates R Us. My allegiance went to Biden with the shift to Clinton when Biden left the fray.

I cannot and will not vote for either McCain or Obama, so if Clinton isn't on the Presidential ticket, then it is a Presidential write in with down ticket votes.

Mars:

You bore me. And the Clinton campaign is based on hypotheticals - so I should be speaking your language

Perfect.. When pressd for facts to back up your statements you run away.

Speaking of candidates. I sincerely wish the "None of the Above" option was on the ballot for all offices with a top three run off if none should happen to win.

You and I must be from the same planet and do all our shopping at Moderates R Us. My allegiance went to Biden with the shift to Clinton when Biden left the fray.

Speaking of candidates. I sincerely wish the "None of the Above" option was on the ballot for all offices with a top three run off if none should happen to win.

perhaps you dwell on mars

http://nota.org/aboutvnota.htm

OK.
So I have to check BBC. I will.

Thnx Patsi for the correction. :))

@Rezdog: Our good friend Barrack is calling his mantra "change"! Well please enlighten me how you change if you continuously get back up from the establishment.... I have named them for you.
Hillary has also part of the old guard, but seen as Barrack is constantly swinging at her for being old guard and the least to bring change, maybe he should have a lil´ look in his own closet. he could be surprised

BTW,
Isn´t it odd that the febraury 5 roster of team barrack (being Kennedy, Kerry etc etc)is exceptionally quiet? YEP, they are working the Super D´s behind closed doors... Had a phone call from a friend of mine who is Super D form Cal. Senator Kerry is calling personally. Although my friend has NOT endrosed publicly he will vote Clinton. But he says: I am just checking out how everyone is courting, and he is not happy wth senator Kerry!
More to come on this......

Another point:
Can someone tell me why Barrack is in for the 50/50 in Fl. Come on.....This is out of line man. He lost! Why didn´t he take his name of the ballot like in MI? LMPO

Poor Bill Richardson was not offered any post in the cabinet under HRC so he swung to Team Barrack as a last hurrah, seen as he wants another step up. I wouldn´t put it as bluntly as Carville, but aforementioned has a point.

Finally,
I also think Hillary should make a real push for Indiana en NC if she wants to make the post March 4th momentum claim.

Read these, think about Iraq, the economy and S. Ct. appointments. This is not the year we see a resurgence in Reagan Democratis (not matter what the GOP and Hillary supporters say right now....)

Posted by: warren

I will check the sites out and reflect and get back to you , must leave for now.

Thanks again for the your civility

Milquetoast (I not D)

Jason,

\The only names i've seen you mention were Al and Jesse.
You call them establishment? sorry, I don't.

This is why it is about the "delegates" - not "arguments":

http://blogs.abcnews.com/matthewdowd/2008/03/electability-in.html

Jason,

correction: I don't think Al has endorsed either one.

@Rez: I meant the Kennedy´s / kerry / Richardson

Monday, March 24, 2008
Obama Supporter & Detroit Mayor Indicted On 12 Counts Including Perjury

No wonder Obama doesn't want a revote in Michigan all his supporters have been indicted,

Now I understand

Jason I used to live in The Netherlands... now i live in Ghent, Belgium. Where in NL are you?

kunt U een beetje Nederlands praten?

Jason,
I read your 10:11 comments as referring to black establishment.
But it is the black establishment behind HRC as I noted with the exception of Lewis and Clayburn (undeclared) and Jesse Sr. if you want to call him estab.
I could make a good case for the white establishment too.
Look at most any state demo party leaders and they have predominately been pro Hillary.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105589/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Clinton-Back-Tie.aspx

Poll momentum not going for Obama

Here are some interest figures on who will definitely will vote or won't vote for particular candidates. Should put some hard numbers behind those suppositions:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/for_or_against_presidential_candidates

Yuck, I just ate this artificial "strawberry tart" which is basically a powder you shake up in 50 cl of water and microwave it. This diet sucks! I eat more veggies now though...

Oops I forgot to put out the Voldemort pentagram and garlic inside the blog.

Heather, I really supported Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 88. I loved the concept of the Rainbow Coalition. Unfortunately, the coalition fell apart over power struggles from the national to state and the locals. It all centered on whether a progressive organization should be top down or in reverse. Thurston County Rainbow Coalition, which I chaired for a year, was pretty independent. Our biggest success was creating a progressive free newspaper called WORKS IN PROGRESS which is still produced some 20 years later !!!

I am sorry that the Rainbow Coalition didn't survive, but the structure did lead to an important contribution in our community. And for that I thank Jesse Jackson.

ET

Are you allowed any oils? If so get out the tinfoil and spread out a selection of veggies (asparagus is particularly good), lightly brush with olive oil. Season with a (non sodium) spice mix and throw under broiler for about 10 minutes so the veggies are still crunchy. Very filling, low in calories, and tastes a whole lot better than strawberry powder.

"The security of Pakistan must not be sacrificed in order to protect other countries, Sharif said.

"It is unacceptable that while giving peace to the world we make our own country a killing field," he said at a news conference.

"If America wants to see itself clean of terrorism, we also want that our villages and towns should not be bombed," he said, an apparent reference to recent airstrikes near the Afghan border many Pakistanis blame on U.S. and allied forces.

The new civilian rulers have said they would negotiate with some militant groups _ an approach that has drawn U.S. criticism in the past." from AP today

So Obama and Richardson have a lot of explaining to do based on their theory of "bombing" and promoting Democracy in Pakistan.

Also this is important: http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/1823/janes-on-iranian-weaponization -questions Obama's support of the NIE Report on Iran, the smae NIE that Obama disagreed with about Iraq's nuclear programs.

Last, it is funny the media has moved to shore up Obama after the Wright fiasco and filter down the Meeks controversy, -a person Obama prays with after a long day on the stump. Instead, the media is trying to fire up the story about Hillary in Kosovo. Well, at least she was there. And Obama wasn't there at Trinity...LOL.

P.S. here is a good look at the Iraq problem.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/wouldacouldashouldas_on_iraq.html

also another Barak advisors chimes in with Zbig, Malley, Powers and other Obama consultants:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/another_obama_advisor_with_ant.html This guy was not well-liked and his biggest move was to change the Air Force uniform. Maybe he's working on being the next SECDEF....

A further look at Obama's racist reasoning:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/typical_white_factbased_reason.html

What Obama's church circulates:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-church-published-anti-israel-letter

Yes, reality will reach critical mass again.

Crawford's video made me laugh....good job.

The security of Pakistan must not be sacrificed in order to protect other countries, Sharif said.

"It is unacceptable that while giving peace to the world we make our own country a killing field," he said at a news conference.

"If America wants to see itself clean of terrorism, we also want that our villages and towns should not be bombed," he said, an apparent reference to recent airstrikes near the Afghan border many Pakistanis blame on U.S. and allied forces.

The new civilian rulers have said they would negotiate with some militant groups _ an approach that has drawn U.S. criticism in the past." from AP today

So Obama and Richardson have a lot of explaining to do based on their theory of "bombing" and promoting Democracy in Pakistan.

Also this is important: http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/1823/janes-on-iranian-weaponization -questions Obama's support of the NIE Report on Iran, the smae NIE that Obama disagreed with about Iraq's nuclear programs.

Last, it is funny the media has moved to shore up Obama after the Wright fiasco and filter down the Meeks controversy, -a person Obama prays with after a long day on the stump. Instead, the media is trying to fire up the story about Hillary in Kosovo. Well, at least she was there. And Obama wasn't there at Trinity...LOL.

P.S. here is a good look at the Iraq problem.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/wouldacouldashouldas_on_iraq.html

also another Barak advisors chimes in with Zbig, Malley, Powers and other Obama consultants:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/another_obama_advisor_with_ant.html This guy was not well-liked and his biggest move was to change the Air Force uniform. Maybe he's working on being the next SECDEF....

A further look at Obama's racist reasoning:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/typical_white_factbased_reason.html

What Obama's church circulates:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-church-published-anti-israel-letter

Yes, reality will reach critical mass again.

Crawford's video made me laugh....good job.

warren - good catch on disingenuous. I wonder if OWMOM's 12:09 post was meant to be an affirmative hint?

HW, don't use those words - people will think you're a scum sucking bottom feeder (my apologies to any catfish who thought I was referring to them.)

Let's see if my post gets published if I break it into two parts. Part One

"The security of Pakistan must not be sacrificed in order to protect other countries, Sharif said.

"It is unacceptable that while giving peace to the world we make our own country a killing field," he said at a news conference.

"If America wants to see itself clean of terrorism, we also want that our villages and towns should not be bombed," he said, an apparent reference to recent airstrikes near the Afghan border many Pakistanis blame on U.S. and allied forces.

The new civilian rulers have said they would negotiate with some militant groups _ an approach that has drawn U.S. criticism in the past." from AP today

So Obama and Richardson have a lot of explaining to do based on their theory of "bombing" and promoting Democracy in Pakistan.

Read this re; the Rev. Wright issue on another blog. Pretty good:

I again point to the fact that any of our enemies could very simply, easily, and effectively take 30 years worth of video of us at work, and break it down into 45 seconds, making us appear as nazi, elderly-hating freaks with whom no human would want to associate.

You've been instructed to, and have, taken the leap that these snippets are representative, submitting that for 30 years, Wright has preached these same messages. That's flat-out false. If you'd like to make the argument that this man said a couple of stupid things in his 30-year career, I'll say "Yup. So have I. And so have you". When you make the argument that we need to base this argument on the submission that he's been "spreading this vitriol for 30 years", it is disingenuous, illogical, and contrary to the real evidence.

Yes. I agree that hatred, racism, anti-American statements and kooky conspiracy theories are a concern, which is precisely why these snippets were released, and precisely why we're still talking about them.

It's emotionally charged, and scary. When my wife and I saw the snippets for the first time, we definitely had an "uh oh..." moment. Then you learn that there are white members at Trinity. Then you learn where the video came from. Then you hear the members of Trinity, angry that their pastor has been shed in this light. Then you hear Martin Marty, his former professor (and upstanding white theologian) come to his defense having known the guy for 30 years, then you come to the realization that IF there was more video of these rants, they would have been released.

On the weekend I was watching a very good documentary on the LBJ years. When it got the the section on the Civil Rights Act, THERE was Jesse Jackson, in Alabama and Mississippi, standing in front of restaurants, train stations, hotels, etc, asking those good ole boys why he couldnt enter their establishments. As I was quite (cough) young in 1965, I don't remember -- at least not distinctly-- most of those events. I've seen footage of marches, water cannons, etc, but I'm not sure I was aware of them in real time. In any case, Jesse Jackson went WAY up in my estimation after seeing that movie. He was right in there with MLK and Young, and all of them. And I do remember Jackson becoming an incredibly energizing speaker, especially at colleges, in the 70s.

Part Two

Also this is important: http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/1823/janes-on-iranian-weaponization -questions Obama's support of the NIE Report on Iran, the smae NIE that Obama disagreed with about Iraq's nuclear programs.

Last, it is funny the media has moved to shore up Obama after the Wright fiasco and filter down the Meeks controversy, -a person Obama prays with after a long day on the stump. Instead, the media is trying to fire up the story about Hillary in Kosovo. Well, at least she was there. And Obama wasn't there at Trinity...LOL.

P.S. here is a good look at the Iraq problem.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/wouldacouldashouldas_on_iraq.html

also another Barak advisors chimes in with Zbig, Malley, Powers and other Obama consultants:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/another_obama_advisor_with_ant.html This guy was not well-liked and his biggest move was to change the Air Force uniform. Maybe he's working on being the next SECDEF....

A further look at Obama's racist reasoning:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/typical_white_factbased_reason.html

What Obama's church circulates:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-church-published-anti-israel-letter

Yes, reality will reach critical mass again.

Crawford's video made me laugh....good job.

Part Two

Also this is important: http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/1823/janes-on-iranian-weaponization -questions Obama's support of the NIE Report on Iran, the smae NIE that Obama disagreed with about Iraq's nuclear programs.

Last, it is funny the media has moved to shore up Obama after the Wright fiasco and filter down the Meeks controversy, -a person Obama prays with after a long day on the stump. Instead, the media is trying to fire up the story about Hillary in Kosovo. Well, at least she was there. And Obama wasn't there at Trinity...LOL.

Part Three

P.S. here is a good look at the Iraq problem.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/wouldacouldashouldas_on_iraq.html

also another Barak advisors chimes in with Zbig, Malley, Powers and other Obama consultants:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/another_obama_advisor_with_ant.html This guy was not well-liked and his biggest move was to change the Air Force uniform. Maybe he's working on being the next SECDEF....

A further look at Obama's racist reasoning:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/typical_white_factbased_reason.html

What Obama's church circulates:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-church-published-anti-israel-letter

Yes, reality will reach critical mass again.

Crawford's video made me laugh....good job.

Max:

What is your suggestion? That we let the people responsible for 9/11 hang out in the hills of Pakistan and regroup...

No thanks.

Plus surgical strikes - is completely different than regime change. In fact, if done with precision such strikes would cause less harm to civilians that most of the sanctions we employ.

Part Three

Here is a good look at the Iraq problem.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/wouldacouldashouldas_on_iraq.html

also another Barak advisors chimes in with Zbig, Malley, Powers and other Obama consultants:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/another_obama_advisor_with_ant.html

This guy was not well-liked and his biggest move was to change the Air Force uniform. Maybe he's working on being the next SECDEF....

Jamie supposedly only 1 tbsp a day of oil.. plus no breads, rice, or anything like that... All the foods i buy besides the veggies. I do put some olive oil on the veggies, I admit...
And I eat rice crackers... against the rules but this 900 calorie per day diet is not sustainable for me... (I think that is how much it is.)

Part Four

A further look at Obama's racist reasoning:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/typical_white_factbased_reason.html

What Obama's church circulates:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-church-published-anti-israel-letter

Yes, reality will reach critical mass again.

Crawford's video made me laugh....good job.

Bree' doesn't write that much Patsi... only a dagger snippet here and there.

"Yes, reality will reach critical mass again."

Exactly Maxspin. And once we move past all these distractions - we will remember the "reality" that Obama has won more states, delegates and votes.

At the time Obama gave his spin on Pakistan and said;

1. move our resources from Iraq to "the battlefields of Afghanistan and Pakistan"

2. Hit militants "in Pakistan".,

we had already used Predator strikes. If Obama was just affirming Bush policy, his words would have been silly, yes? He obviously was talking about something different, but to this day has not said what those differences are. Let's assume he meant more military activity in Pakistan border regions along with more bombing. Do you think the new Pakistani government would be more accepting than Musharraf? That is plain foolish.

Richardson said that Musharraf should resign and the vastly moderate government would form and really do something about militants. Richardsaon blasted Musharraf for making deals with the extremists.

So my case rests. Both Richardson and Obama got is wrong and this will become evident as the election nears. What should Democrats support? Well, that is a different issue. First, we don't telegraph pur intentions like Obama did. We get more NATO on the ground near border regions so Pkaistan must consider the world's resolve, not just America's. We need to make it clear to the new government adorned in Gucci and Prad while their people are hungry that US aid will not be forthcoming if they appease the militants. We continue to work towards the India/US nuclear deal and interview with AQ Khan as Bhotto promised she would allow. I could go on, but in anycase, Obama is not well grounded in this matter, nor is Richardson who took fire from Biden and Dodd on his Pakistan remarks.

I hoped that helped....

It didn't Max.

No one in the world has credibly challenged America's right to go after the terrorists that are responsible for 9/11.

Obama's position is not as you cast it. Priority No. 1 - would be to work WITH Pakistan. The doomsday words in your posts ignore this. Plus, the only scenario Obama discussed - was that if we have good intelligence on Bin Laden - and Pakistan refused - or did not have the capability to act - we would strike.

And no American will win the Presidency without taking that position - especially a Democrat.

He has won fewer Blue States, fewer Democratic voters and if you give Hillary her fair share of delegates as the general will yield, she leads in delegates as well. What you want is a DNC model for Obama victory in the primary, but unfortunately the country doesn't use that model. A new wave is coming for Obama to surf, but I'm not very certain he will. Maybe that's what he is practicing on vacation.

Just add the states Obama and Hillary have won. See how many Democrats voted for each and give them the delgates when one or the other wins the popular vote in each state. Seems simple enough. Or just add up Demcratic voters (including Florida and Michigan) and give the nomination to the winner. Obama wouldn't like those odds would he?

Maxtrue:

Don't you get it?!? To win the general - the Democratic candidate has to win MORE than just Democratic voters.

And I still believe - that no matter how bloody this campaign gets - most of the loyal Democratic voters supporting HRC - will vote for the Democratic candidate in the general election. The same cannot be said about the Independents, Republicans and new voters that are supporting Obama.

And by the way, let's just stick with the rules that were in place when this thing started.

I am off to do some work. It's been real...

warren, Max can answer for Max, but what he posted sounds like he's saying (and I've misinterpreted things before) that the U.S.has no right to attack, surgically or otherwise, parties inside the sovereign footprint of another country without that country's permission. That ain't to say we don't, haven't and won't again do +/o, but unless we do so with the permission of the country whose soil we are attacking or with the imprimature of the UN, we should expect retaliation - . Regime change is another kettle of fish. We've seen how well that works and I hope to god we've learned enough not to try that sh*t again anytime soon.

For you conspiracy buffs:

Jesse Jackson was the person who called Martin Luther King Jr. onto the motel balcony in Memphis the day he was killed...

Bear, you aren't really suggesting that Jackson set him up?????

Maxtrue,

While you idea that NATO take a more active role is a good idea, considering that Bush and Cheney told the world to F-Off, it's going to take a hell of a lot of good will to get them to help.

I doubt that McCain will get that...There are pros and cons as to which Democrat will be successful in that regard. I think both would do better than what we have now though...

Warren,

1. When Obama made his remarks last August EVERYONE in Pakistan rejected them. Period. It was the high point in Pakistani unity, or do you wish to argue that point?

2. Of course Obama meant more US activity in the border regions (inside Pakistan) with special ops and more "surgical strikes". Problem is that many of those directing the extremists are North of the Kyber Pass and no military experts seeks our limited special ops to go on such an absurd mission. Surgical strikes work only when there is substantial Intel. You cannot prove OBL is in Pakistan or where he might be. I doubt you are suggesting bombing various places to find out. Even the Pakistani government is not willing to use their armed forces to seek OBL out.

Bush tried to work with Musharraf and has indicated his strong willingness to work with the Prada crowd. That has little to do with Richardson or Obama. Richardson wanted Musharraf out and predicted the moderates would get OBL and the extremists. He is wrong. Obama called for an escalation towards Pakistan and he is wrong about 1. this getting OBL and 2. the reaction of the "moderates". No country has given the US a free pass to go bombing in an attempt to kill OBL and his top staff. There is an objection to even arresting AQ suspects or treating his terrorist followers as less than legal enemy combatants (which defined by the Genva Convention, they are not).

Just re-read your words. What you say Obama really meant was ALREADY THE POLICY OF THE US which we had acted on more than twice before Obama gave his policy paper. Do you understand that? It is disingenuous to suggest that Obama was just talking about "surgical strikes when Intel had high probability evidence. Obama has since downplayed his August speech. We rarely get great Intel, so such surgical strikes don't count for very much. And of course Bhutto promised we would be able to interrogate Khan. What about that? No, Obama and Richardson were just spinning their lines without much reality check.

I posted a link about Iran, but again, Obama doesn't want to be reminded of his past Iranian comments. He wants to talk until Iran tests a nuclear device...LOL McCain will remind him of past positions. And the Air Force advisor who bashed Bill fits in nice to Barak's foreign policy team...sheeesh

Bear

I think the "chickamauga" post is destined for greatness. I would post the link to it but I can't find it now.

EuroTom,

I heard that tidbit when I attended a lecture of a professor from Bridgewater State University...I believe his name was Edward Tetrault. He focussed on the assassination of JFK...the pictures and other things he had were mind blowing...

At the end, he spoke briefly about RFK and MLK shootings and he was of the opinion that JJ set him up...

Considering he had pictures of LBJ's secret service detail protecting him a second before the fatal head shot to Kennedy, I could see him believing that most political assassinations point to a Lieutenant who stands to benefit from the "promotion"

It is ok EuroTom:

I agree and love the concept of Rainbow Coalition I pointed to his shakedowns of Big Businesses. Don't get me wrong its not that I am pro Big Business, heaven knows they have committed their fair share of sins, they have.

The point I am making is that Jessie was never Robin hood Jessie for lack of a better term took from the rich and gave to Jessie. Did Jessie do good things? Sure I believe he did. His heart may have started out in the right place but somewhere along the line it got corrupted.

Another thing that bothers me is Jessie's selective arguments or fights against racism actually I should not single out Jessie, I should say the extreme left in general.

During the 2006 senate race between Harold Ford Jr. and Bob Corker the senate race was exceedingly close with Ford carrying 2 point lead when Bob Corker launched into one of the most racist, disgusting campaigns I saw in my lifetime. It affected me so deeply I contacted my local Democratic National Committee chapter, my Congressional Rep, along with my state and Federal Senators, even the Congressional Black Caucus as well but sadly my pleas fell on deaf ears. I was angry and frustrated.

In 2000 and again in 2004 voter caging was going on the surrogates for the RNC were actively engaging in this sickening suppression of the minority vote African Americans in particular.

Karl Rove has been linked to this racist policy of suppression of the African American vote. I'm disgusted and upset this has been allowed to fester and I do not want to see this happen in 2008 or very again!

Garbage like that takes America back to the jim crow days I will do everything humanely possible to fight against it. Each and every American as a matter of conscience has a moral and ethical responsibility to do so.

The larger point I am trying to make here is a simple one, where was the outrage from the media, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton Barack Obama and the rest of the extreme left? Not a peep from them. The only media that touched on the subject was PBS

Heed my words, especially if Barack Obama is the nominee stealth surrogate operatives for RNC will be rearing their ugly heads will we continue to ignore it and pretend it does not exist or shrug our shoulders and commit the sin of indifference Barack Obama or anyone else is entitled to a fair vote, most importantly America is entitled to a fair vote. Anything less undermines our country and all that
Reverend Martin Luther King fought and sacrificed his life for.

Sincerely,
Heather.

P.S,
EuroTom I love your blog and was going to comment as you were asking for advice on a certain issue but I felt it might be a little forward of me.

ET

If you like the flavor, put some whole garlic cloves in with those veggies (or roast a whole garlic and pop out the cloves). Practically zilch calories and really kill hunger pangs. Drink lots and lots of water.

Bear,

That is absurd. Bush didn't tell Europe to F off. Yes, he told them it would be the Franks way in Afghanistan as we routed the Taliban with the intelligent use of the Northern Alliance and precision air strikes, but the lack of NATO resolve now in Afghanistan is because they want to hide their own disinterest and dump on Bush. It is NATO failure and the world's failure that haunts Afghanistan.

The same is true in Iraq. Given the world wants to see a vibrant and stable Iraq, why would they refrain from doing more? Just to punish evil America? They fail in Darfur, Tibet, Burma, Somalia, and even in South America where indigenous militants now associate with imported terrorists. What nonsense. Bush is leaving and the Europeans, Russians and Chinese aren't helping in those two countries to a greater degree because they don't want to. Trash America because one doesn't like Bush? He did remove Saddam and removed the Taliban. More than Putin or Merkel have done. More than Chavez or Sarkozy.

You are wrong if you think the US use of force and Bush is what is going on in the world. I am not defending the mistakes this administration has accomplished, but he is not the scapegoat for the world's failure in Afghanistan or the lack of effort in stabilizing Iraq. Presently, Germany and France are backing Israel against Iran. I don't expect Obama to play much of a positive role in the Middle East. His advisors, his Church, his supporters and friends are not on the same page as either Hillary or McCain.

Quick comment...

Right know Iran is being pushed just like Iraq was. You better prepare yourselves as its looking more and more like Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush is getting ready to start another war.

And if you don't think he will than your crazier then him.

Also I wonder who Stanley Inc. is tied to.

I would also like to know how many of you will call Al Gore a Judas if he turns out supporting Obama. It seems that anyone who supports Obama is considered a Traitor by the current group here.

Also how many pieces of Silver did Mary Matlin received when she along with the Dark Lord Dick Heinrich Himmler Cheney, Scooter Libby and the rest of the Iraq Study Group got when they committed Treason outing a NOC spy and the front company Brewster, Jennings and Associates?

Now Hillary is bringing up the Wright comments again so I would like to know about all those Christians who sit in the pews of the Robertson, Hagee, Falwell and other so called Religious Leaders still attend there churches. After all all they preach is bigotry and hate. How white of all those Christians. No wonder Christianity is getting a bad name.

If Hillary does get the nomination and there are elections you better get use to saying President McCain.

And I have a question for both candidates. If you get the nomination and win the General will you use the MCA of 2006 to arrest the current administration as Enemy Combatants?

Or will you use the new powers given the Executive Branch against the American Citizens like Der Fuhrer's Regime has done?

Just something to think about.

Have a nice day.

Turns out to be a contributor and advisor to Obama

Passport contractor exec is Obama supporter
Posted: 02:00 PM ET

Passport contractors connected to Presidential campaigns.
WASHINGTON (CNN) – The CEO of a company whose employee is accused of improperly accessing the passport files of presidential candidates is a consultant to the Obama campaign, a source familiar with the firm said Saturday.

John Brennan, president of The Analysis Corporation (TAC), advises the Illinois Democrat on foreign policy and intelligence issues, the source said.

"Now Hillary is bringing up the Wright comments again so I would like to know about all those Christians who sit in the pews of the Robertson, Hagee, Falwell and other so called Religious Leaders still attend there churches"

What the F does this have to do with Hillary? She doesn't get those Right Side endorsements. And then you go into the Hitler thing and have no problem with nasty Mullahs and their ability to spread nuclear materials to the known groups they associate with.

Okay, I promised myslef not to respond to your freakish posts.

My bad.

KGC...

That's only one of the Contractors. The other is Stanley Inc.

As Obama has no need to know what is in his file as he already knows it than who were the employees caught tied to or were they bribed by someone to access those files and if so whom?

Heather... hey, you know... darn it... Since I have read your post I have been singing Tommy Roe's song "Heather Honey"... Do you know it?

This is totally lip-synched, but I still think it's fun. He starts with SHEILA and goes on to HEATHER HONEY. I was a Tommy Roe fan when I was a kid. The second non-Peter Pan record I ever bought was "Sweet Pea"... LOL
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCYuLEmuizU

Anyway, YES, feel free to offer advice... all we welcome, the blog is open ...

http://eurotom.blogspot.com/

oh and I'm also on MY SPACE .. http://www.myspace.com/eurotom

About Jesse Jackson... well I kind of fell out of admiration as well. And his son is a total THUG, threatening black elected officials who support Hillary. What's up with that????

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Jamie... I am drinking 2 litres water a day... grrrrrrr... I am eating so many salads! and fresh veggies and also frozen... and my foods made out of powdered whatever it is. The diet is totally protein and I think it's around 900 calories a day, but I eat rice crackers which is not permitted, but I do it anyway

Someone asked if Obama was popular in Europe a few blogs back. I know that in Belgium he is particularly admired by the Flemish socialists. But Hillary is also admired as is Bill Clinton. I think the attitude in Europe is anybody other than another Bush or Bush clone...

Cheers all. Off to watch episodes of THAT GIRL from my DVD collection. I know, I'm a nut.

xoxoxoxoxo

pogo...Will do my dead level best not to impersonate a lawyer...through vocabulary or otherwise. My SIL, who is one, wouldn't let me get away with it, anyway!

patsi...My guess that White Old Men is a female who is well known to all of us is simply based on writing style....

Heather... hey, you know... darn it... Since I have read your post I have been singing Tommy Roe's song "Heather Honey"... Do you know it?

This is totally lip-synched, but I still think it's fun. He starts with SHEILA and goes on to HEATHER HONEY. I was a Tommy Roe fan when I was a kid. The second non-Peter Pan record I ever bought was "Sweet Pea"... LOL
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCYuLEmuizU

Anyway, YES, feel free to offer advice... all comments welcome, the blog is open ...

http://eurotom.blogspot.com/

About Jesse Jackson... well I kind of fell out of admiration as well. And his son is a total THUG, threatening black elected officials who support Hillary. What's up with that????

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Jamie... I am drinking 2 litres water a day... grrrrrrr... I am eating so many salads! and fresh veggies and also frozen... and my foods made out of powdered whatever it is. The diet is totally protein and I think it's around 900 calories a day, but I eat rice crackers which is not permitted, but I do it anyway

Someone asked if Obama was popular in Europe a few blogs back. I know that in Belgium he is particularly admired by the Flemish socialists. But Hillary is also admired as is Bill Clinton. I think the attitude in Europe is anybody other than another Bush or Bush clone...

Cheers all. Off to watch episodes of THAT GIRL from my DVD collection. I know, I'm a nut.

xoxoxoxoxo

I am a democrat,have always been a democrat.That doesn' mean I have to follow lockstep with the party.I am an American first.I support Hillary Clinton.I think she can do the best job for our country.But if she does not get nomination I will vote for McCain.It is not race if Ford from Tennessee was nominee I would vote for him.But I find Obama unfit.His minister is the least of his problems.I am more concerned of the others he has aligned himself with.There are a lot of radicals in that group,not to forget his long time association with Rezko.I consider his upbringing by a grandfather affiliated with the communist party.And also his years with his stepfather overseas.He looks too programmed for me.His speech on race was excellant and that subject needs to be addressed and dealt with.I was raised in an all white community in Illinois where AA were not allowed to stay overnight in town.I did not develop any prejudices and as a small child would look in awe whenever we went to chicago.My area is still basically white eventhough my son had an AA as his best man in his wedding.No problem.But I really don't trust BO.I do trust McCain and believe he is an honorable man.I do not agree with everything he does and I think he is too old but I think he has the best interest of this country in his heart.I was very upset with him when he sucked up to George Bush but maybe that shows a willingness to work with people he doesn't always agree with.If he was so bad Kerry wouldn't have asked him to be his running mate.And as far as Hillary dropping out,neither her or Obama can win with delegates and the rest of the country should have their say.Dean had that part right by giving everyone a chance to choose our nominee instead of havin it decided by Iowa and New Hampshire.two states that don't seem to reflect the rest of the country.Besides Iowa is a pretty rural republican state.And caucuse do not fairly represent the majority of the state.We are supposed to have secret ballots so others can not browbeat a weaker person from voting their own choice.There have been many reports that at a lot of these caucuses there was some ropa dope going on.The media has done the country a disservice by pushing candidates that they prefer.There used to be laws against monopolys but with deregulation large conglomerates now own our media and control what we get to see.That is why good men like Biden and Dodd didn't have a chance.The Rep.Knew they didn't have a chance to win this year so by manipulating the media they are trying to saddle us with Obama who They know they can beat.And By choosing Mccain they know he will be acceptable to the democrats.So that is why I have sent money to Hillary and will continue to support her.
Ruth

As Obama has no need to know what is in his file as he already knows it than who were the employees caught tied to or were they bribed by someone to access those files and if so whom?

Posted by: anon-paranoid | March 25, 2008 2:35 PM

There is plenty of opportunity for conspiracy..
Perhaps they did to make him a victim and change the subject in the media, it certainly made him sympathetic after all the Rev Wright stories.

Clinton did not bring up Rev Wright Clinton was asked a question and responded. Something Obama supporters are not familiar with since he has stopped having press conferences.

warren, I know you're out of here for now and may pick this up later, when I'm out of here, but re: your 1:22 comment, that horse has already left the barn. After 6 years of letting them hang out along the Afghan/Paki border and regrouping, questioning whether we should just let them hang out and regroup sounds a bit silly.

And consider that in the daily Gallup tracking poll, Hillary and Obama have been within about 4 points of each other, switching positions from time to time. The only way that could occur is if both of them are pulling in indies and repubs, in alternately similar numbers. Obama's campaign may be downplaying the similarity in his and Hillary's numbers, dismissing FLorida and Michigan votes that were cast, and pretending that winning small red state caucuses is equivalent to winning the large blue and swing states, but rest assured that the delegates who will have to choose a candidate will be paying attention to all those numbers. In the end, they may decide that Obama has made the most convincing showing, but then again, they may not. Only time will tell, about 5 months as I reckon it.

Maxtrue
The moderates and pro democracy forces in Pakistan view Musharraf with contempt .
He is a corrupt dictator and one of the biggest conman around.
The Bush Adminstration, following true to the Kirpatrick doctrine have been dupe into giving billions of taxpayers dough to this conman.
What has the US got in return for this investment?

Hillary's pushing the Wright story today. And about Right Side endorsements Bill sure had no problem asking Wright for help over the Monica affair now did he? Or all the other religious leaders whom he had a prayer breakfast with.

Also if Russia couldn't win in Afghanistan what makes you think we can do any better? After all we armed the Taliban to fight against Russia.

What you appear to want is another Christian Crusade which is what it looks like we have right now. So I guess that you will be enlisting to fight The Global War on Terror when we go to war with Iran. I sure hope so since I will feel so much safer knowing your on the front lines protecting us at home so we don't have to fight them over here, since our National Guards not here to protect the country.

typo
Kirkpatrick ie Jeane Kirkpatrick

03-25) 10:58 PDT ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) --
A key figure in Pakistan's new government told two top U.S. envoys on Tuesday there needs to be a change in President Pervez Musharraf's policy of using the power of the army against Islamic militants.

The call came as a new prime minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani, took office, closing the book on eight years of military rule.

President Bush phoned Gilani after his swearing-in and invited him to Washington at his convenience. Gilani's office quoted the new premier as saying Pakistan would "continue to fight terrorism."

But it was clear Pakistan's civilian rulers are rethinking counterterrorism strategy, amid concern that use of military force against al-Qaida and Taliban has provoked a bloody militant backlash

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/03/25/international/i001500D00.DTL&hw=Pakistan&sn=001&sc=1000

I'd say the new civilian rulers have more contempt for all US politicians.

4,000 Americans unnecessarily lost their lives because people like Chris Matthews voted for George W. Bush in 2000.

ET

When we were in Panama the entire family broke into their piggy banks piling up the $75 we needed to buy a dachshund puppy which we promptly named Dame Bind Faden von Rotwurst, or Faden for short.

She was a wonderful animal, absolutely the best pet a family every had. But, she had an appetite. She was eating us into the poor house. And she was gaining weight and gaining and gaining.

It all came to a head when the little boy across the street, John-John, told Stinky, "Lady, your dog is FAT!"

That was it. She went into the house and called the vet for an appointment.

Two days later the girls boosted Faden into Stinky's Daf 44 and the four of them drove off to the vet. (I would have said roared off, but Stinky's 2-cylinder car never roared.)

Making a long story short, the vet confirmed John-John's opinion and put her on a strict carrot diet. He mandated that Faden could eat all she wanted (after her scant cup of Purina) so long as it was nothing but carrots.

Turned out Faden loved the things. She would eat six carrots a day. And did she lose weight! It seemed as if every time she deposited an orange stool, she lost a pound of her portly mass.

Before we knew it, she was down to a svelte 17-pounds and proud as a puppy!

Thus endeth the lesson.

"Hillary's pushing the Wright story today." anon paranoid

A reporter asked her what she would have done.

What would you suggest she say?

Katherine
The Bhutto clan is as corrupt as Musharraf but they are distrustful of each other.
It will be very interesting to see how they outsmart each other.

George

Unfortunately they agree on a few things, one of which seems to be they don't consider a fight against the Taliban or Al Queda their fight.

What would really happen if the US sent in troops?

The Caucus system is a joke which in some cases distorts the will of voters.

Washington is a good example. In the caucus held, Obama won 2 to 1. Two weeks later in the voting primary, Obama won 51% to 45 %. The delegates were distributed only using the inferior caucus system with a much smaller participation rate.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/a-superdelegate-mini-conventio.html#comment-57502

KGC,

With regards to this post...March 25, 2008 2:53 PM

To answer your question, Hillary should have talked about how she was faster than an East German sprinter when it came to evading sniper bullets in Bosnia...lol

Hillary Press Conference on CNN MSNBO and FOX.

Obama should try answering press questions..

well....
I think I've caught up with all the posts..... now I'm exhausted from all that readin' and thinkin'....

I think I know who's doing the name changes too...... she's smart and very funny..... and I know this might start Jamie's head on fire...... but..... I LOVE it!

Naaaaaaaash.....
I see you've been invited to join the superduperscoopernicompooper double secret Obamaramacamaupyouralma club......

KGC....
it was PoP who first mentioned the Hendricks gin and I've been buying it for Rick.... he loves it.... and it isn't any more expensive than Tanguary or Sapphire Bombay.....

ps.... the Red Sox won!

Katherine
The Bhutto clan and Musharraf owes any prospect of political survival on the ISI.
It is the ISI that is radicalized and have deep roots with the extremists.
The ISI is driven by an entrenched hatred of India over Kashmir and the loss of (East Pakistan which is modern day Bangladesh)

KC, considering that our best friend in the region in our fight against terrorists has 50,000 troops on the Paki/Afghan border to protect against terrorists coming into Pakistan from Afghanistan (isn't that what we beleive OBL did?), it probably wouldn't be a good idea. Kinda suggests to me that your statement in your 3:00 comment to George is correct.

Warren said
"Obama/Richardson would win a significant majority of the Latino vote in FL."

You have made this claim before. Would you care to expand on this because from where I stand the comment looks uninformed. What Latino group will Richardson bring to the table in Florida that will make a damn in the general election?

Jack

"Wright for help over the Monica affair now did he? Or all the other religious leaders whom he had a prayer breakfast with."

He had one meal with Wright. Sen. Obama worshipped with him for 20 years. They are not exactly comparable events.

Having said that, I think the whole Wright furor is absolutely silly. Now you might quibble about identity politics or argue with some of his more esoteric conspiracy theories, but it just isn't that important unless Sen. Obama shares some of the odder ones.

But then, I think the whole gunfire in Kosovo story is silly as well. How about some issues?

OD,

You may be right about the caucus system, but just like the AL uses a DH and the NL doesn't...the system is what it is.

I think it's about time the Dems started using winner take all in some states to simplify the process. There was a major uproar when some suggested California try to apportion electoral votes based on totals in congressional districts. If that system is not good enough to pick the voters who chose the president, then it shouldn't be good enough to chose the delegates who pick the nominee.

OD

I'm a Hillary delegate in Washington and we have the second tier or April 5. I dread it simply because the Obama folks signed in Obama supporters as alternates everywhere there was a blank. If the delegate doesn't show, that will be even more Obama votes. just like the other state where they picked up delegates.

We asked about it and apparently the rules don't cover this kind of fraud.

I believe Rev. Wright was one of 300 ministers at the prayer breakfast.

At this event President Clinton apologized to his family, the American people, Monica Lewinsky and her family.

For Obama and his campaign to feed the Wright/Clinton photo to the press in light of these circumstances speaks loudly to Senator Obama's lackof character.

Jamie said
"How about some issues?"

But, but, uh that would mean I would have to look up some facts.

Huh , just like a boomer, fact, facts, facts.
That is sooooooo 20th century.

"I know this might start Jamie's head on fire...... but..... I LOVE it!"

I don't care really other than the fact that the host of this blog has requested that you not do it. Disrespect is disrespect and if that's the way reps of Sen. Obama want to be viewed, it's okay with me.

George, are you referring to the Islamic State of Iraq? That's the group in that region I know of with roots among extremists that uses the ISI initial designation, and it doesn't seem to fit unless you're suggesting that Musharaff's opposition to it is his hope for political survival.

Bear

Thank you for going to the trouble to post the link.
I think you should volunteer to do rapid response for Senator Clinton.

Pogo/George
Pakistan is just one vast missed opportunity for the US. Of course, why should it be any different.
I think the 50k troops on the border to give the appearance of support.(an to enable them to collect gazillions from the US. Talk about a subprime deal)

Washington should adopt the Oregon system..

Statewide primary-Democrats vote in Democratic and Republicans vote in Republican..Independents only vote in non-partisan races and measures..

Rebel Renee

Thanks for the Hendricks info. I don't know why I thought it was super premium priced.

I really liked it.

Someone I know attended a caucus in Vancouvar, Washington.

They broke people into groups. There were 14 in this particular group. My friend became bothered as discussions began to sound like anti-Hillary tirades from Air America or right wing radio.

My friend, asked..How many of you are Republicans..8 of the 14 admitted to being Republicans. 5 admitted they were there to vote for Obama and stop Hillary.

What a disgusting system..I'm amused to hear Obama supporters say Hillary is only winning primaries because Limbaugh is telling them to vote for Hillary.

kc, exactly right - I didn't mean to suggest anything to the contrary. The appearance of support from the 50k troops there is IMHO to keep us from sending troops into that area (walking the tightrope between us and the extremists who are living in that area, whom they are making sure we don't come in to get rid of) plus the reasons you mentioned.

Bear,

"There was a major uproar when some suggested California try to apportion electoral votes based on totals in congressional districts"

The Republicans really wanted that one because they knew they get more California electoral votes in the GE. For the same reason, the Democrats fought the idea tooth and nail.

It could still be done for party primaries without changing the GE law, but I'm one Democrat who thinks that Congressional district divisions in the larger states probably is the fairest system.

OD, I don't listen to that fat f*ck enough to know this from personal experience, but my impression is that he started encouraging Reps to vote against Hillary just before the TX & OH primaries. There was some talk about whether by encouraging OH Reps to lie on their Dem voter registration affirmations, he might be suborning perjury, which is criminal, but the OH AG said it was too hard a case to prove.

Renee/KGC

Did you go to the Hendrick's site? I love the whole idea of "Brits dress in inappropriate outfits and make bloody fools of ourselves".. In addition to Brollies and Bowlers match, they had the husband/boyfriend slapping, and a silly walks race.

Jamie....
I said "she's smart and very funny"...... and you think I was talking about an Obama supporter....... LOL! (oh don't get your panties all in a knot.... I just kid the Obama supporters)....

and Craig indicated he thought they were funny too..... he doesn't want anyone impersonating a real person..... I don't know anyone with the given name of "Old White Men on Mars"...... do you.....

Pogo

Yeah What worries me is now even the money doesn't seem enough to keep up the appearance.

"How many of you are Republicans..8 of the 14 admitted to being Republicans. 5 admitted they were there to vote for Obama and stop Hillary."

Between them and the church ladies who declared that the Bible had promised a time of peace and prosperity with Obama prior to the second coming it was very weird.

Jamie....
I did go to the Hendricks sight when PoP first mentioned it..... but that was almost 2 yrs ago.....
I need to make another visit...... thanks for the suggestion....

and don't mind me...... I'm in wise azz mood today..... :0)

Pogo
ISI is the Pakistani Intelligence(Inter Services Intelligence).
It was Benizir Bhutto's (BB) dad (Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto - ZAB) who embarked on the covert operation to build the BOMB as a response to India having it.
ZAB maintained a close relationship with the army and used them to crush the opposition.

OK Jamie, now you're scaring me. LOL

Renee,

I really don't care other than liking to know who I'm speaking with if they are going to be regular and constant changes make that impossible. Craig showed the way he preferred with

Craig "nickname" Crawford

for those who were already known by other nemes. He just didn't like the constant changes so that no one knew who was actually speaking. If Mars wants to be Mars, that's his/her business.

George, thanks - too many acronyms in this crazy, mixed up world. That does make more sense than what I was trying to put together.

For Obama and his campaign to feed the Wright/Clinton photo to the press in light of these circumstances speaks loudly to Senator Obama's lackof character.

Posted by: Oregon Democrat | March 25, 2008 3:28 PM

A lack of character? How so? To me it says, "Y'all think this former marine is an angry and crazy N@#$#...well, when President Clinton needed healing and faces for his prayer breakfast he was okay then."

George

What impact do you see the recent changes in Pakistan having on US policy there and in the region.

What is our status in Afghanistan? Are we there at the request of the government?

A lack of character? How so? To me it says, "Y'all think this former marine is an angry and crazy N@#$#...well, when President Clinton needed healing and faces for his prayer breakfast he was okay then."

He hadn't said the things Obama distanced himself from. They came later.

Today is the anniversary of the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire

http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/trianglefire/

Okay, most of y'all are not going to like this but Joe Scarborough was great today. He talked mostly National Politics and his thoughts on the election. He was very charming and funny. It was a luncheon and a relatively small group, around 100 people or so. He very middle of the road, I'm glad I went!

KGC

I have my doubts that President Clinton knew anything more about the Rev. Wright than that he was a prominant clergyman in Chicago. There certainly isn't any record of his attending the church or listening to recordings.

Scrambled eggs and bacon are not quite the same as Holy Communion.

Here's a follow up to the article posted this morning from MSNBO about the 4 nuc warhead fuses that were sent A YEAR AND A HALF AGO to Taiwan instead of the helicopter batteries that were ordered. If someone can read this and make any sense of it, please pass your insight along.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/world/asia/25cnd-military.html?hp

And btw, I hate not smoking!!!!! It has been three days now though:)

Jamie, back about ten years ago I was listening to WMNF in Tampa. They played a wonderful song by a group called Rasputina about the fire. It was haunting.

Seems like a nice guy to me - contrary to what I hear on this blog:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_el_pr/obama_caribbean

Pogo:

You make some good points on Foreign Policy.

*warren sneaks out of the office to go to the gym*

JennBe! STOP ACTING OUT!!!

Come on--get through the cravings one at a time. Don't look beyond the one that you're having. You can do it!!!

And, if you so much as touch a cigarette, you've got to start all over again. It ain't worth it!

Stay strong JennBe!!

On Obama and quitting smoking.

Obama quit too (and I need to stop myself). Yes we can!!

A further look at Obama's racial reasoning:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/typical_white_factbased_reason.html

What Obama's church circulates:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-church-published-anti-israel-letter

I post these links again and ask readers to remember that an Air Force general acting as Obama's advisor compared Bill Clinton to the Communist witch hunting Senator Joe Mac from the fifties. I posted a link to the American thinker that shows a clear slant by Zbig, Powers, Malley and this general that runs counter to Obama's pro-Israel claims. This will surface during the general election and Obama can't say that this clear slant by his advisors is just contrived or doesn't reflect his views. Then why hire them? One can see the rather racist rants by Wright, the views of his church on Israelis being worse than the Nazis and the dubious positions on record by a number of top foreign policy advisors. Please refute this so I can see the light.

As for George's comment that the US let the Taliban and AQ hang out for years on the Pakistani border, let us remeber history, not spin. First, Bush had to get India and Pakistan to step back from the brink of war. Clinton had so such luck. Pogo was right about how far we can go bombing an "ally". Do we all remember the trouble Bill had? Clinton had little success in getting Sharif to do anything against AQ and ended up getting arrested by Musharraf. The Democrats lauded the 4G warfare used in Afghanistan aided by the Northern Alliance rather than sending a hundred thousand soldiers. That was never a Democratic option, yes? Saem is true for the Democrats backing up 400.000 being sent to Iraq...LOL Is it the responsibility of America to control terrorists, nation build afghanistan and invade Pakistan all alone? And then having forced Musharraf to join us in the fight against AQ, did Musharraf get several important extremists? Yes. Was his life threatened for doing this? Yes. The ISI is the final holder of power, but they seem to back Musharraf tmore han the moderates.

For years Democrats did not blast Bush policy on Pakistan because it seemed to be working. India and Pakistan held peace talks while Musharraf showed some fight. against terrorists. How many Pakistani soldiers have died fighting militants? He also covered for a few strikes by the US against AQ in Pakistan which Obama was aware of before he gave his August paper. The problem in Afghanistan is not that we have failed to provide the troops, but that like Iraq, the world has failed in joining a real coalition to oppose extremists. They use Bush to validate their pathetic response to a growing threat.

So again, NATO must pick up the effort in Afghanistan and the world must demand from the new Prada-toting crowd in Pakistan to allow Khan to be interviewed, to use force to terminate AQ and institutue the reforms that will bring prosperity to Pakistan. China has a lot to gain from a stable Pakistan and instead sells militants weapons. Even Iran has been linked to weapon sales to the Taliban.

George should note that the violence in Afghanistan picked up once we started to NEGOTIATE with the Taliban. They, like most militants see negotiations as weakness on our part. So I do not know how Richardson or Obama has shed any light on Pakistan or Afghanistan. Their advisors, no matter what Obama spins, have a poor record of pro-Israel support. This coupled with the Palestinian letter Obama's Church diseminates above, the viscious anit-Semetic remarks of both Meeks and Wright and even the connections to Khadili, Auchi and Rezko paint a picture that will be hard for Obama to counter come November. Even Obama's racial spin of fear gets a free pass from media. In time, it will get a deeper look and the accumulation of the various connected problems will be Obama's undoing. The only question for Hillary supporters is whether it will be fore the nomination of Obama or after. I find it hilarious that after calling Hillary supporters Republicans, they argue there would be little defection by Independents, Reagan Democrats and Hillary supporters to McCain. The NYT asks the important question: what makes Americans think a LIberal Obama could unite this country. I have seen only devisive, politics as usual crap coming from the Obama side. Of course there is all the campaign rhetoric based on unsupported records and a huge deficit. As Slate has pointed out, what even makes Democrats think Obama will pivot to center once nominated?

Jamie

Eggszakcly! I was just tweaking Bear for his defense
of Obama sending out the photo.

Here's an article about the regime change in Pakistan and its anticipated effect on US efforts to fight extremists on Pakistani soil. Long story short - things are going to change, and the Bush admin ain't gonna like the new direction. I have a question - why did Negroponte & Boucher feel it necessary, or even advisable, to meet with Musharraf on a trip to see Gillani sworn in? I could be dead wrong, but I see that as a huge diplomatic blunder.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/world/asia/26pstan.html?hp

Warren,

Sen. Obama is probably a very nice guy. He's an ambitious politician but that is hardly a crime. I have two objections to him as a Presidential candidate: His limited time on the national and international stage and the fact that the media has been so grossly unfair in their coverage. I have a natural resistence to having anyone shoved down my throat.

After Biden left the race I was all for a "Dream Ticket" that probably meant the Democratic party in the Presidency for 12 - 16 years and the liklihood of them being in charge of Congress for a good part of that. Instead we have this internecine war and I believe that most of that is the fault of the media and caucus "math"

"patsi...My guess that White Old Men is a female who is well known to all of us is simply based on writing style...."

Hmm...now I'm curious....will go back and look at all of the posts.

Thanks for the support guys! I won't have one, just needed to vent. I'm wearing the patch and when I get the urge to smoke I push on it, like think it will dispence more into blood stream. Plus I would have to listen to my best friend say I told you so for ever.

"As for George's comment that the US let the Taliban and AQ hang out for years on the Pakistani border, let us remeber history, not spin"---- Maxtrue
Maxtrue,
When did I advocate this view?

JennBe...
I have never smoked a cigarette in my life ( a joint.... well.... that's another mattter)...

but if it helps even a little...... let me echo others here and say please don't touch another cigarette....

and thanks for the report on your luncheon with JoeS.... I'm sure he's a good guy in person..... I used to like his show at night on MSNBC..... but now.... I rarely watch that channel..... usually only when Craig is on....

Just like I don't see anything wrong with a picture of Obama in nativie African gear, I don't think it was a big deal to show Clinton with Wright or Rezko. That is the problem with Hillary trying to run a Republican campaign. They may have the same bullshit to deal with, but at leasts it's from a different set of people. Just further evidence of the glass house theory in my opinion...

Today's Ad of the day from the Dallas Craig's list...

http://dallas.craigslist.org/zip/617572664.html

Jenn, congrats on the journey to rid yourself of the smoking habit. You're on the patch, and I'm on the protein diet, miserable as hell, just like you :-) ... but both of us are giving ourselves a very important gift.. better health, better life, and, especially in your case, better pocketbook. Dayum! ciggies are expensive.

Cheers,

Tom

Flatus,

You Tube has many Rasputin videos, but "My Little Shirtwaist Fire" isn't one of them that I can find, but if you wanted to acquire it go here:

http://www.rasputina.com/

Jennbe:
Please hang in there stay the course don't give up just one day at a time sweetheart. After a time it will get easier:-))

Sincerely,
Heather

Bear, this BS is coming from both sides - Axelrod is just as guilty as Wolfson, so drop the sanctimony.

JennBe, good for you. Cigarettes killed my mother - I don't likek to see them kill other people.

Bye all, off to a meeting.

I am off to bed...

McCain/Liberman 2008

Bad joke, I know

Katherine
To the extent that the ISI continues to support the Taliban and undermine Karzai,
the progress in Afghanistan will be slow.
My good friend Maxtrue acknowledges that the ISI is supportive of Conman Musharraf yet he blames NATO for the lack of progress in Afghanistan.
With respect to the prospects for stability in Pakistan, as long as the Conman and the Bhutto Clan run things their will be instability.
Even the most corrupt dictator has a core of supporters that allows the maintainenance of power to the detriment of the wider citizenry.

Respectfully, Bear, BOTH candidates live in extremely LARGE glass houses.

This is a political campaign not afternoon tea.

I don't like the poop being flung by EITHER campaign but to act like Obama is a saint and has impecabbly clean hands is preposterous.

Obama is just as guilty of running a Republican campaign, how else can you explain his minions and the complicit press turning Bill Clinton into a racist? This is strictly out of the Karl Rove playbook when he turned Al Gore into a liar that invented the internet and John Kerry into a coward that received a purple heart for "scratches."

I am sick of this either/or nonsense. Barack Obama is not all that and a bag of chips. He is politician that likes to put forth his image as Messiah when in reality he is every bit as nasty as any political candidate in the middle of a hotly contested campaign.

I agree with others on this blog that have said they don't like having a candidate shoved down their throat. I'll take that one step further. I am sick of having the notion that Obama is some innocent bystander being unfairly attacked shoved down my throat day after day by a lazy, biased press.

Pogo: Great minds think alike ... you said it much more succintly than I did! ; )

Dear EuroTom:

I feel flattered I loved that song, I love Oldies, Classical, Jazz.
I saved it and added it to my youtube favorites folder
I will comment later this evening on your blog.

Sincerely,
Heather

P.S. its mostly taxes the cigarettes are actually aprox. $1.50 per pack lol

Oh Joy:

Chris will lead off his show doing what? Bashing Hillary of course with the Bosnia nonsense OMG! Like Hillary is the only candidate to embellish a resume

Chris you have no life lol

--Heather

Jamie, I ordered it as soon as I got home that day. Now I have to remember the safe place that I put it.

Just in case you haven't seen the whole thing-
http://youtube.com/watch?v=axxooGIgOKs&feature=dir

It is pretty funny, regardless of who you support!

I'll check back in with y'all later, have another baseball game tonight.

Thanks again for the support, it really helps!

Chris needs an intervention.

I truly believe that he has some secret room somewhere plastered with pictures of Hillary. He is the ultimate stalker. Obviously, Hillary must have rejected him at some point and he feels the need to constantly bash her.

He is obsessed and it is quite painful to watch. Earlier in the primary campaign my husband, son and I counted how many seconds it took for Chris to throw Hillary's name into a conversation at the start of his show no matter what the subject matter was. I believe the current record is about 15 seconds. Since today he has a show devoted to her "Hillary" will probably be the first word out of his mouth.

Tweety's first sentence slammed Sen. Clinton, back to CNN

Bear, it really is great fertilizer!

Horses eat a lot of things. And all the seeds contained in those things aren't digested in transit. So all sorts of different green things pop-up after using manure as fertilizer.

My dad, Hyman, used to pick it up at the police stables close to where his office was. It was before we had a car so when he carried a sack of it onto the trolley he didn't have to worry about finding a seat.

Keep those ads coming!

Chris should call his therapist immediately after his show. Heck, he should call at the first commercial break.

i have to visit mlb.com and set up my account for 2008 bbs
oh, anyone know where Zell Miller is when you need him, i'm still looking forward to that duel :-))

--Heather

GAK

"I truly believe that he has some secret room somewhere plastered with pictures of Hillary."

Given the man crushes and thrills up his leg, are we sure the pictures are of Hillary? Maybe he is jealous of both Hillary and Monica.

stoprepublicantrolls.com

Great idea for a website.

Jamie: I think you're onto something there. LOL

Heather: At this point I think Bill should challenge Chris to a duel. I doubt Chris would take too kindly to the stuff he says about Hillary being said about his wife.

However, Hillary is a public person and candidate, this poop comes with the territory ... I think she is pretty capable of withstanding all the garbage they keep throwing at her.

After all she dodged those bullets in Kosovo ... LOL
(Sorry couldn't resist the reference to the latest tempest in a teapot.)

http://www.stop-obama.org/

As the major media outlets fall head-over-heals to slaughter Clinton fatale, not one is reporting the story correctly. Even Hillary supporters are stumped; Taylor Marsh fell for it. The obnoxious snippet even hit our site- with a parasitic “Delusional Obama Supporter” making sure everyone of our posts were stained with his mental malady. It’s the story of the century. “Hillary a Liar” “Hillary Caught” “Hillary Gaffe”.

Welcome back to Hillary Season - we’re back from our Spring break, back hunting Clintons - 2008 is Hillary season

GAKaren....
Pogo's post might be more succinct..... but your's was much more fun to read.... and spot on!

if Clinton gets the nomination...... what in the hell will Tweety do..... or for that matter..... what in the hell will MSNBC do.....

they seem to be hedging their bets that Obama will win this thing and they will come out looking smart...... of course if he doesn't..... they'll look like dumb sh*ts and lose even more ratings.....

I'm with KGC..... why can't they just report the news..... cover both side fairly and as accurately as they can...... I'd bet they'd get better ratings too.....

Yeah JennBe , smoking sucks. Don't quit qutting. I posted this earlier , but I decided to post it again since Warren brought up Obama and Megalomania.

Kwame Kilpatrick: Megalomaniac!
Just press play.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080325/BLOG2401/80325010

"After all she dodged those bullets in Kosovo ... LOL"

It was probably a duller than dirt trip and she needed to add some excitement to the retelling and decided to remember it that way. lol

I am a big fan of Tom Schaller's book Whistling Past Dixie. Ths is his take on the primary stalemate.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/03/17/swing_states/

Sorry George, it was Warren's comment

"What is your suggestion? That we let the people responsible for 9/11 hang out in the hills of Pakistan and regroup..."

Mushrraf was a champion of the ISI back in the days when Pakistan first got the bomb and Clinton ordered Shariff to stop Musharraf from threaten nuclear war with India. Sharif did nothing except get arrested himself. Of course, there are elements in the ISI that hate the moderates, hate India and support the Taliban to a certain extent because of the hatred listed above. I suppose they support Musharraf more than the Bhutto clan which is as every bit corrupt as Musharraf, if not more so. Bhutto's husband is a criminal and most Pakistani leaders would be serving serious jail time if they behaved that way in America. The Bush idea was to have Musharraf and Bhutto balance each other out while applying pressure on the military to go after the extremists. Unfortunately, Bhutto didn't know how to protect her ass. Scotland Yard has confirmed her injuries were caused by the explosion. One can remember the many killed as she decided her return in public was more important than security. Such profound judgement.

The claims by Richardson and Obama regarding Pakistan are not likely to be realized. Hillary Clinton had a far more realistic approach gleaned from experiance with Sharif during her husband's term in office. The sympathy among some in the ISI is not the reason for trouble in Afghanistan however. This is the major problem (see last link below) 1. a significant portion of Pakistan supports the militants 2. NATO has not supplied the force required to interdict the Taliban or reverse the poppy policy or even convince the Northern Alliance they are saerious about victory 3. the world is not helping enough, nor pressuring the new government in Pakistan to get real. Meanwhile, arms are getting in to the Taliban while the world does little to oppose Islamic fundementalism. From Iran to Africa extremism drowns the required Islamic reformation. In Pakistan:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/020417.php

and the donors who have failed Afghanistan:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7311972.stm

Pelosi ought to wake up and so too should Obama. Their spin will not cure much and talking has accomplished little. The buzz word back in 2004 was reform. Now the Democrats are succumbing to more Leftist characterizations while blaming Bush for the world's troubles. Pogo's quote stands and perhaps the unspoken slogan beneath Obama's support. That is what Bill meant when he talked about patriotic candidates free from anti-American support.

Twice in One Day: Senator Obama Tries Rewriting History, Again Claims He Hasn't Been Planning White House Run
At an event in Boston this evening, Senator Obama claimed for the second time today that he is "not running to fulfill some long held plans" to be elected President, contradicting statements his friends, family, staff and teachers have all made about him.

"Senator Obama's relatives and friends say he has been talking about running for President for at least the last fifteen years. So who's not telling the truth, them or him?" Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.

In Boston this evening, Senator Obama said: "I'm not running to fulfill some long held plans or because I think it's open to me." In Iowa earlier today, he said: Senator Obama said: "I have not been planning to run for President for however number of years some of the other candidates have been planning for."

But that's not what Senator Obama's teachers, family, classmates or staff say:

Immediately after joining the Senate, Senator Obama started planning run for President. "'The first order of business for Senator Obama's team was charting a course for his first two years in the Senate. The game plan was to send Senator Obama into the 2007-2008 election cycle in the strongest form possible'...The final act of the plan was turning up the talk about a potential Presidential bid, which was greatly aided by his positive press and suggestions by pundits that he run for President." [U.S. News and World Report, 6/19/07 ]

His law school classmates say that Senator Obama has been planning Presidential run for 'more than a decade.' [A]ccording to those who know him, he has been talking about the presidency for more than a decade. "It was clear to me from the day I met him that he was thinking about politics," says Harvard Law School classmate Christine Spurell. [Washington Post, 8/12/07 ]

Politicans have to choose their words carefully these days. Check out the latest critism of Barack Obama's Selma, Al. speech yesterday where he credited the 1965 marchers with empowering his black father and white mother to marry.

Turns out he was born in 1961.

....he credited the "Bloody Sunday" civil rights marchers of 1965 with the fact that his parents -- a black African father and white Kansas mother -- were empowered to fall in love and got married.

"They looked at each other and they decided, 'We know that in the world, as it has been, it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child, but something is stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across the bridge.' And so they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Ala.!"

Obama was born in 1961; the Selma march was four years later. Obama said later that he meant to credit the entire civil rights movement with his parents' union, not just the Bloody Sunday marchers.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/3/5/201426/5656

Embellishing your life experience for political purpose?
Gee whiz. I am shocked

You think Fact Check will give Obama the flaming judgement? LOL Obama is simply no longer believable. Wright and Meeks, Rezko and Khadili, Powers/Malley/Zbig , Duval and his worst flip-flops over policy. The NYT was clear abut Obama's refutation of the Senate. He held coffe discussion, not on Foreign Relations in Eastern Europe and NATO, but about becoming President. He spent a lot of time creating his stroy with figures like Wright as icons of principles. Nope, Obama is no longer believable and his credibility will continue to drop as more troubles surface and connect to one another. I still am convinced that the DNC does not want to snatch defeat from victory, but then everything else they do, seems to point in this self-defeating direction.

Maxtrue
The lunatic conmen have been in charge in Pakistan since Liaquat Ali Khan (LAK) was brutally assassinated on October 16, 1951.
LAK was a champion for democracy in Pakistan.
Since his assassination ,Pakistan has been rule by a coalitionof corrupt army men and feudalist elite who treat the country as their personal fiefdom.
The fact that they now possess the bomb means that they can con the West .

http://www.analyzethis.net/blog/2005/07/09/barack-obama-embellishes-his-resume/

Publshed in 2005. It is a post fact checking Obama's book.

Noooooooooooo!!!!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_en_mu/people_sara_evans;_ylt=AneHcuG4HD2_mUDBqOwKVJ5xFb8C

You can tell a lot about a parent by the child. Chelsea Clinton was asked if the Lewinsky scandal hurt her mother's credibility.

Answer: In all the campuses I have visited, you are the first person to ask me about that. It is none of your business.

Now that is a great kid!!!!

Corey,

Where should we send the sympathy card? :-)

Re the Civil Rights meeting, I don't remember all that many civil rights protests in Hawaii in 1960.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/civilrightstimeline1.html

"Barack Obama Sr. was born in Kenya in 1936. He met Obama's mother while both were college students in Hawaii. But the marriage broke up when the senior Obama went to study at Harvard. "

Great article on Obama's Foreign Policy. (It is a little long - but very informative):

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_obama_doctrine

(Max, Pogo - this guy explains it better than I can...)

I think Hillary has 3 problems in PA:

1. Bosnia:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080325/ap_ca/on_deadline_bosnia

2. NAFTA

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/20/opinion/main3955120.shtml?source=RSSattr=Opinion_3955120

3. And those tax returns are not going to help...

(These things fall squarely on HRC - this is NOT guilt by association...).

Things are looking good Dems - we may be able to end this thing in PA!!

(Wendy - did you see the poll with her lead down to 10 points - of course you did - you LOVE polls!!)

GAKaren...you've been ROCKIN' the HOUSE this afternoon!! Great posts.

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Pennsylvania Democratic Presidential Primary
Pennsylvania: Clinton 49% Obama 39%
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
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The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in Pennsylvania shows Hillary Clinton leading Barack Obama 49% to 39%. That’s little changed from earlier in the month when Clinton led 51% to 38%.
No change if you are quoting Rasmussen.

The average for all polls in Penn Clinton +16
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html

Warren...the biggest problem for Hillary in Pennsylvania is really none of the things you cite. It's the simple fact that she will have to win by somewhere around 30 points for it to be acknowledged in the media echo chamber as a victory.

Hillary lies...
Thanks for joining our National Conversation On Race.

For Sara...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrlh7yFYYHg

We interrupt for this special announcement: think Reprehensible Republican strategy only happens in the US? think again

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080325/national/tory_talking_points

The Quinipiac Poll for PA has some interesting breakout numbers and an overal Clinton lead of +12

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1158&What=&strArea=;&strTime=120

God Bless You Harold Ford Jr!'
Thank you for echoing almost word for word what I posted here earlier today in reference to the dirty filthy racist senate campaign. I also hope voter caging gets spotlighted in the media as well
--Heather

oh and did anyone else hear McCain refer to his "Democrat candidates" today? think he's not talking like Dubya?

Ohhhhhh Corey..that is one of the most melancholy songs ever written by Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds 8~(

I'm sorry but I take exception referring an honorable Harold Ford as an "uncle tom"
"Hillary lies" what you posted is based on pure hate and you have not one shred of evidence to back up the nonsense you posted!

Heather!!!!!!!!

Milquetoast

You and I must be from the same planet and do all our shopping at Moderates R Us. My allegiance went to Biden with the shift to Clinton when Biden left the fray

Posted by: Jamie

Although I seldom post I have been reading this blog for a few weeks and was drawn to your comments, a kindred spirit I hope, who like me suffers the slings and arrows of a moderate viewpoint. Our position is "tenuous and alien" and our specie viewed with suspicion on this strange blue orb.

Milquetoast {I not D}

Corey...you okay? I'm kinda worried after watching that BabyFace video. You're not really Craig Schelske are you?

Heather...don't worry. "Hillary Lies" is probably just one of our favorite trolls here. He'll go away soon enough.

First, let's start with an intelligent resonse by the Obama camp: ""I (HIllary) said it was time for standing up for what is right, for saying enough is enough," she said of the speech. "While we of course must protect our right to freedom of expression, it should not be used as a license to demean or humiliate our fellow citizens."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement, "It's disappointing to see Hillary Clinton's campaign sink to this low in a transparent effort to distract attention" from her acknowledgment that she had exaggerated an account of a hostile reception in Bosnia as first lady in 1996."

Yes, exaggerating the claims of her landing in Bosnia in 1996 is FAR more egregious than refusing to walk from an anti-American Pastor that claims the US has spread AIDS to kill black people. Equate Bill's calling him before his rants were public with what Obama has done. Sure, that's the ticket. It is exactly this judgment that should trouble every voter. And look at the connection between what Khadili, Malley, Zbig, Powers, Auchi, Meeks and Wright have said regarding Jewish influence and the State of Israel. What is missing from this picture? Some contexual hocus pocus by Obama claiming these are racist attacks on Obama and the black community? LOL

Warren, I read the article and I strongly disagree with many points. Obama doesn't come close to JFK and that is not because of the Cold War. And what of the dignity of Iraqis under Saddam, or presently under Ahmadinejad? What about the dignity of those in Darfur who Obama would best be served by talking another three years with the Sudanese government.

While this is from a more conservative blog:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/wouldacouldashouldas_on_iraq.html

it points out some problems with the Obama position on Iraq. The American Spectator article is right that numerous problems will land on the next President, What Hillary proposed in 2002 did not fall into this strategic trap of wishful consequence, but what was left out from the article were the comments by Susan Rice that the world's problems are mostly Bush-generated and will make the next President the world's janitor. You should really spend some time reviewing what Zbig, Powers, Rice, Malley, McPeak and even Lake have to say about foreign policy. While AS wants to distance Obama from Carter, the similarities are there:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_new_jimmy_carter.html

and Slate also echoes this sentiment:

http://www.slate.com/id/2187358/

scroll down to Will Obama Pivot? Interesting take. Normally Slate is in the Obama's camp. Slate defends Bill and takes a deeper look at Obama. Even the NYT has recalibrated some of their enthusiasm for Obama.

Let me put it another way, Pelosi blasts China over Tibet while she says little about what goes on in Iran, Syria, the Sudan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, or even Russia and China. She selects what to be indignant about, offers little policy and completely overlooks any reasonable views about the world Bush may have. Want to bet Powell agreed about SOME things? She has not moved center nor even remotely applied ethics, principle or effort in a balanced way. Imagine a Pelosi team joined with an Obama administration. There are concerns Independents, Reagan Democrats and even national security-minded Democrats ought to consider about dangers of an Obama Presidency. McCain has a track record of standing up to his Party and while Obama lovers forgive Baraks transgressions including why he joined his church in the first p[lace, pretend McCain didn't have a great task becoming the Republican nominee. Given the difficulty of the task and the reversal McCain's strategy in Iraq has wrought, he may prove to be far more clever and successful than Obama.

Once Obama places his present advisors in positions of policy power, the fighting will begin. It will be an ugly four years while those Obama is talking to will understand the political reality for Obama and not be willing to yield. Why would they?

First, let's start with an intelligent resonse by the Obama camp: ""I (HIllary) said it was time for standing up for what is right, for saying enough is enough," she said of the speech. "While we of course must protect our right to freedom of expression, it should not be used as a license to demean or humiliate our fellow citizens."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement, "It's disappointing to see Hillary Clinton's campaign sink to this low in a transparent effort to distract attention" from her acknowledgment that she had exaggerated an account of a hostile reception in Bosnia as first lady in 1996."

Yes, exaggerating the claims of her landing in Bosnia in 1996 is FAR more egregious than refusing to walk from an anti-American Pastor that claims the US has spread AIDS to kill black people. Equate Bill's calling him before his rants were public with what Obama has done. Sure, that's the ticket. It is exactly this judgment that should trouble every voter. And look at the connection between what Khadili, Malley, Zbig, Powers, Auchi, Meeks and Wright have said regarding Jewish influence and the State of Israel. What is missing from this picture? Some contexual hocus pocus by Obama claiming these are racist attacks on Obama and the black community? LOL

Warren, I read the article and I strongly disagree with many points. Obama doesn't come close to JFK and that is not because of the Cold War. And what of the dignity of Iraqis under Saddam, or presently under Ahmadinejad? What about the dignity of those in Darfur who Obama would best be served by talking another three years with the Sudanese government.

OMG...Chuck Todd AND Harold Ford Jr!! Can tv viewing get any better for me???

answer...uh, no 8~P

Part Two for Warren

While this is from a more conservative blog:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/wouldacouldashouldas_on_iraq.html

it points out some problems with the Obama position on Iraq. The American Spectator article is right that numerous problems will land on the next President, What Hillary proposed in 2002 did not fall into this strategic trap of wishful consequence, but what was left out from the article were the comments by Susan Rice that the world's problems are mostly Bush-generated and will make the next President the world's janitor. You should really spend some time reviewing what Zbig, Powers, Rice, Malley, McPeak and even Lake have to say about foreign policy. While AS wants to distance Obama from Carter, the similarities are there:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_new_jimmy_carter.html

and Slate also echoes this sentiment:

http://www.slate.com/id/2187358/

scroll down to Will Obama Pivot? Interesting take. Normally Slate is in the Obama's camp. Slate defends Bill and takes a deeper look at Obama. Even the NYT has recalibrated some of their enthusiasm for Obama.

Let me put it another way, Pelosi blasts China over Tibet while she says little about what goes on in Iran, Syria, the Sudan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, or even Russia and China. She selects what to be indignant about, offers little policy and completely overlooks any reasonable views about the world Bush may have. Want to bet Powell agreed about SOME things? She has not moved center nor even remotely applied ethics, principle or effort in a balanced way. Imagine a Pelosi team joined with an Obama administration. There are concerns Independents, Reagan Democrats and even national security-minded Democrats ought to consider about dangers of an Obama Presidency. McCain has a track record of standing up to his Party and while Obama lovers forgive Baraks transgressions including why he joined his church in the first p[lace, pretend McCain didn't have a great task becoming the Republican nominee. Given the difficulty of the task and the reversal McCain's strategy in Iraq has wrought, he may prove to be far more clever and successful than Obama.

Once Obama places his present advisors in positions of policy power, the fighting will begin. It will be an ugly four years while those Obama is talking to will understand the political reality for Obama and not be willing to yield. Why would they?

Part Two for Warren

While this is from a more conservative blog:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/wouldacouldashouldas_on_iraq.html

it points out some problems with the Obama position on Iraq. The American Spectator article is right that numerous problems will land on the next President, What Hillary proposed in 2002 did not fall into this strategic trap of wishful consequence, but what was left out from the article were the comments by Susan Rice that the world's problems are mostly Bush-generated and will make the next President the world's janitor. You should really spend some time reviewing what Zbig, Powers, Rice, Malley, McPeak and even Lake have to say about foreign policy. While AS wants to distance Obama from Carter, the similarities are there:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_new_jimmy_carter.html

Part Three for Warren

Slate also echoes the sentiment about the Carter implication:

http://www.slate.com/id/2187358/

scroll down to Will Obama Pivot? Interesting take. Normally Slate is in the Obama's camp. Slate defends Bill and takes a deeper look at Obama. Even the NYT has recalibrated some of their enthusiasm for Obama.

Let me put it another way, Pelosi blasts China over Tibet while she says little about what goes on in Iran, Syria, the Sudan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, or even Russia and China. She selects what to be indignant about, offers little policy and completely overlooks any reasonable views about the world Bush may have. Want to bet Powell agreed about SOME things? She has not moved center nor even remotely applied ethics, principle or effort in a balanced way. Imagine a Pelosi team joined with an Obama administration. There are concerns Independents, Reagan Democrats and even national security-minded Democrats ought to consider about dangers of an Obama Presidency. McCain has a track record of standing up to his Party and while Obama lovers forgive Baraks transgressions including why he joined his church in the first p[lace, pretend McCain didn't have a great task becoming the Republican nominee. Given the difficulty of the task and the reversal McCain's strategy in Iraq has wrought, he may prove to be far more clever and successful than Obama.

Once Obama places his present advisors in positions of policy power, the fighting will begin. It will be an ugly four years while those Obama is talking to will understand the political reality for Obama and not be willing to yield. Why would they?

Dear Lard:
I sincerely hope so. I'm so upset I'm biting my lips here.
In my personal viewpoint i see "uncle tom" as every bit as racist as the "N" word. I may be white but I see it as offensive and racist and the last thing needed is Black on Black racism. It is every bit as bad as white on white racism, furthermore it shows racist and hateful feelings toward white people simply because they resent a particular African American person that is not part of their Black Separatist Ideology

--Heather

Wow! A gazillion posts since I came back from dinner.

RR and LL: Thanks, guys! Rockin' the house, that's a nice compliment.

I have been sitting on the sidelines with my hands folded for weeks now. Since that is quite out of character for me, I just had to vent.

I'm getting psyched for Part 2 of Bush's War tonite!
Anyone else?

I'm okay. I just the latest journal entry from Jann Arden. It's actually pretty funny tonight. It made me laugh.

http://www.jannarden.com/journal.php

Okay Corey. Glad to hear you're okay, pal.

Hillary Lies:
how do you equate not voting for same sex benefits with gay hatred? He is voting according to his moral conscience as a Christian to me thats not hatred of gay people. As for the war the time to oppose it was before the war started, once our troops were there and committed her was correct in supporting our troops
as for abortion as a Catholic I agree with him and if the Democratic Party wants to ever be successful his is the policies that need to be followed.

Its you extreme left wingers that have and will further destroy the Democratic Party

You need to learn from political history extreme left wing liberals never win in the general election. Your prescription is one of disaster for the Democratic Party.

The only Democrats in the last 50 years that have won a general election were centrists.

--Heather

uh oh...Chris Obamatthews will be watching both HRC and Obama girl, in a video!!

Do you think they can give him that "thrill going up his leg", like BHO does??? 8~P

Or do you prefer the historical butchery of the Adams Story? Hell, 300 is on at 8pm if you have Max followed by Gladiator opposite Blades of Glory. Yeah, we've seen them all...LOL

Then there's always the Hunt for the Lost Ark. I hear Wright is leading the expedition

Max...are you not a fan of "Bush At War"? My take on Part 1 was that it was pretty much the video version of the Tom Ricks book "Fiasco," which I thought was terrific.

I need to take care of my daughter and calm down, I'm a little upset. Craig is right sometimes the animosity gets a little ugly
God please grant me wisdom, patience and understanding
--Heather

Heather, your centrist advocacy goes right over the head...LOL. If McCain wins, it will be exactly for the reasons you state. In times of trouble, Americans don't like Liberal uncertainty and Obama has made the Clinton referendum an evil pact with the Devil.

See...this is all tax returns are good for - to show people are cheapskates when it comes to charity. It's the thing everyone seems to get criticized for...so...who cares:

"Obamas Gave Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income to Charity"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obamas-gave-les.html

Republican is as republican does.

"I agree with others on this blog that have said they don't like having a candidate shoved down their throat. I'll take that one step further. I am sick of having the notion that Obama is some innocent bystander being unfairly attacked shoved down my throat day after day by a lazy, biased press."

And I and other Obama supporters feel the same way about Hillary. We don't like having her shoved down our throats.

See all the progress we made. The Democratic Party may just as well dissolve it self since it is totally split and the Republicans will walk away with the General Election.

Since both camps are throughly entrenched in the support of their respective candidates I would guess that come November if we do have elections the non candidates nominee will not vote and the end of the Democratic Party will have been completed.

So which party will you join once the Democratic Party is no more?

Republican or Independent or Green?

After all if you don't belong to a major party you may not be able to chose the representatives to rule over you in the elections to follow. That is again if we ever have elections in November or there after.

La guerre:

what they keep saying is.......volunteer army.......so shut yer trap........none of yer damn bizness......Nobody has sacrificed like our president......so stuff a sock in yer pie hole........

I dont think they quite have the right message for a democracy. Even a representative democracy.

Hillary Lies:
You are impossible to have an intelligent rational debate with, furthermore you are excessively rude and lack good manners.

--Heather

Heather

I actually disagree with many of those positions of Cong. Ford, but I respect him as he seems to represent both his own moral compass and his district.

I'm particularly at odds with his positions about gays as I believe EVERYONE who wants to form a couple should be in a civil union as far as the government is concerned for purposes of taxes etc. and then go off and get married in any church , social group, or gathering of friends that will have the happy couple. Religion should not be part of the consideration for government policy.

Right HLies...and Mario Cuomo, the liberal, Catholic governor of New York who also was never able to reconcile his abortion position...was also "Republican or nuts."

You have no credibility left here. You're not an "Obama supporter." You're just a Clinton hater.

You should just leave and stay away for good.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/a-democratic-conclave.html#comment-58191

Heather, pay no further attention to "Hillary Lies" -- it's just a troll who used to be a member of the community here. He only comes back now to terrorize people under pseudonyms.

I watched the first part and thought FIASCO was more informative. The Frontline story is a bit simplified but I loved the picture of Powell looking like he was ready to burst. I think the Frontline Story puts a bit too much on Rumsfeld and didn't even go into who actually created the battle plan Franks used. He didn't care about phase four planning either. What a complete mess and the Democrats along with Hagel and McCain were quite right in calling out the incompetence.

Just for the record, intellectuals on the Left never agreed that the Jurds and the Sunnis could work together to counter AQ or the Shia majority. Many actually called for the quick division of Iraq against the wishes of the international community and our allies like Turkey, Jordan, and Europe. For me, it is painful to watch and I am reminded abou the role of the NIE and France. Democrats should remember what our allies and Russia did to thwart the Hillary plan of smart sanctions and more inspections. Lost now is the claim of incompetence which is replaced with Failed Thinking.

THe biggest mistake? McCain and other moderate Republicans SHOULD have formed a group and demanded Bush slow down. McCains view at the time was not so different than Hillary's. The Republicans rolled over and let Bush unleash his flawed planning.

That cost a few hundred billion and thousands of American lives ) not to mention the Iraqi lives lost.

"what of the dignity of Iraqis under Saddam"

Yes what of the dignity of Iraqis under the U.S. illegal occupation? The women no longer have the freedom that they had under the monster Saddam. In fact they have less freedom now.

You really hate anyone who isn't pure lily white don't you?

I agree Jamie on your statement "Religion should not be part of the consideration for government policy"

Sincerely,
Heather

the democrat party should dissolve itself and set up a new primary system ...get rid of caucus's ......open primaries and super delagates and proportional distribution of delagates ...let the people of the democrat party decide who they want not what the so called elders want.....no far left candidate has ever won the presidency but have lost in landslides....anyone with half a brain could see with this system it had to eventually end up with this mess we are in......this should go to the convention floor and kennedy et al should be banned from havin any say in the democrat system

Dear Lard:

I thank you so much for your support I am truly grateful with all my heart:-))

((((((((((((Hugs & blessings Lard)))))))))))
Sincerely,
Heather

Max...thanks for your mini-review. I'm definitely enjoying it. Although I agree it is hard -- even for a show like Frontline -- to replicate the impact and depth of a fully-researched book.
On the other hand, the way they're using still photography to bring out the characters is awesome -- something no book could replicate. Or at least no book not written by Tolstoy. :)

The election is being held on November 4th , which is my birthday. I urge all independent and undecided voters to join my "Birthday Party" on that day.

I was so psyched about this presidential election and now ...

We "had" (past tense) two great candidates and now we have nothing but two damaged candidates that will not reach the required number of delegates to put this thing away.

Shame on Hillary for running a stupid campaign and not sealing the deal. And shame on Barack for resorting to all the nasty Clinton bashing crap from the 90's to get ahead.

I realize that Obama had a major obstacle that he could not play up the accomplishments of the last Democratic administration since he was running against the president's spouse. However, he went way too far in opening the can of worms that is the MSM's desire to destroy the Clintons once and for all.

Thought the Clinton witch hunt was behind us since the tremendous challenges our next president faces are gut wrenching. But right-wing classics like the blue dress, Whitewater, travelgate, slick Willie etc. are back in discussion ad nauseum. GRRRR!

The MSM is looking for cheap ratings with Keith Olbermann leading the way with his continuing vendetta against the Clintons. Edward R. Murrow? My ass. Not to mention the entire Left blogosphere including Air America. WTF?

Can't blame this all on the media, though. Hillary had a decent organization in place for traditional election scenarios but was completely clueless in how to control caucus states. I blame that terrible consultant (forgot his name, he's awful) she has been paying millions. If it was his idea to focus on big states without worrying about caucuses, she should have fired him by now.

As for Obama's pastor? Gift on a silver platter to the Republican swiftboaters. He can make as many speeches he wants, but questions about Obama's patriotism are here to stay no matter how ridiculous they are.

I was so sure we could put a Democrat in the WH. I hope I'm wrong but I think we Dems have shot ourselves in the collective feet once again. The stacked deck that is American corporate-owned media will be all too happy to go "Cheney with the shotgun" on us in the GE.

I agree tz!
you are 100% right:-))

Maybe all the democrats should change party to republican and then just be the left half of the republicans........then the people left over could be more easily identified and dealt with.........

Heather, be careful hugging old Lardass. You might pull a muscle trying to get your arms all the way around! :)

obama has lied repeatedly about his associations with wright and rexko ......people politicians LIE FOR A LIVING...get over it .......BUSH adminastration has lied 975 times ......

Anon,
You must be kidding: "You really hate anyone who isn't pure lily white don't you?"

Saddam was a monster. They haven't even located all the people he buried. Under US occupation the majority of Iraqis killed have been at the hands of other Iraqis or Muslim insurgents. I guess that is what the price of liberty for Iraqis who didn't want to talk things out. Today the Iraqi army battles in Basra against Shia militants. Quite a hope and change that Obama didn't think possible. Yep, Iraqis willing to defend their government and freedom against those who want Sharia law and orders from Iran.

Yes, Saddam makes GWB look like the Devil, yes Anon? You prefer life under Saddam than living here in the US? Simply astounding.

anon: I know you are paranoid but if you think the press has been giving Hillary a free ride and shoving her down your throat ...

I think you need a bigger tinfoil hat.

I love GAKaren on Olbermann..."Edward R. Murrow? My ass."

Let's start calling Keith "Edward Our Burro"

Maybe he'll get the message then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burro

GAKaren....
another winner of a post!

hillarylies......
so how's the Obamalamadingdangdongama Club going?..... you must be bored..... ROFL!

Lardass.... Rick's "Fiasco" was the best Iraq war book, IMO.....

heather
you are one of the few here that has common sense....

GAKaren and others:

"And shame on Barack for resorting to all the nasty Clinton bashing crap from the 90's to get ahead."

You are lucky this stuff came out in the primary instead of the general. Obama and MSNBC are not making this stuff up. There is a large number of Americans in the country - who the Clintons (and the style of politics) rub the wrong way. And not all of them are Republican.

If the media is biased in the primary - it will also be biased in the general. This is a real weakness for Clinton - even if you don't believe it is legitimate.

And the fact that Obama is well-regarded in the media - will serve him well in the general election.

And the fact that Obama is well-regarded in the media - will serve him well in the general election

warren

apparently you think the media should pick our candidates .......nothing new will come out on clinton that the public dosnt already know ......the media bashing isnt stopping voters from backing her .....imagine if she were treating her like they treat obama....the primary would be over .....id like to see obama take the bashing she takes and survive

Tz, quite right.

Lard, I do like the photos. They add something significant. Frontline did show the absurd position of France and what America was facing at the UN. I don't think they spent much time on alternatives to the Bush plan circulating in Congress. It is important to remember what most Democrats advocated -which is not the position Obama states today. He even tempered his position to support Kerry and get a chance to speak at the convention. Obama had his sights set on the WH. The more I learn, the more I see through his contrived story-telling.

Now the fact that Saddam nearly took out the US command center with a crusie missle on day one should sober some people up to the real dangers. Had Clinton not destroyed much of the Iraqi Army, it would not have been a cake walk. Even scarier is that had Saddam possessed WMD, it would have been quite horrible.

Maybe people should keep that in mind when putting off dangers until they are potential disasters for our armed forces. In any case, you are right about film as a medium v a book. FIASCO would require many hours of film.

tz:

I do not. I think voters should.

But I don't think anyone in here would question the meida's ability to influence voters. Hell - it is what 50% of the posts are about here on some days. And in terms of media coverage, Obama has a clear advantage over Clinton.

So would McCain in the general. You Dems need to remember the propoganda war. It is not just about the issues!!

when the gop 527's get through with him he will be hamburg

IIRC During Desert Storm was it when we went in to free Kuwait GWB 1 incited the Kurds to rise up against Saddam and then when Saddam surrendered Bush let him take his helicopters and put down the upraising.

Yes, GWB 1 was responsible for the death of many Iraqi's who believed that Bush 1 would continue into Iraq. Instead he betrayed them.

And the gas he used against Iran in his war with them he got from us. So once again we are responsible for mass murder through the use of WMD's we gave him.

In fact back then GWB along with the Dark Lord said that the region would go up in flames if he had gone into Iraq so they decided not to.

Were only there to steal the Iraqi Oil and its other resources which is a War Crime as is Torture and the many Crimes Against Humanity that still goes on today in Iraq.

He uses a Private Army {Blackwater} who indiscriminately murders innocent Iraqi men, woman and children with no accountability and the only reason violence is down is because Sadr has instituted a temporary truce telling his militia to not attack Americans.

When he calls the cease fire off all Hell will break loose and we will have One Hundred Forty Thousand Soldiers in the middle of the horns like at Little Big Horn.

Now there getting ready to start a war with Iran. If that happens then you better believe that both China and Russia will come to there aide and World War III will begin and nukes will be landing on our shores.

Good luck when the nukes start flying.

Warren: The people that parrot all the RW nonsense about the blue dress etc. weren't going to vote for Clinton in the first place. Truthfully, that stuff has been so overdone it is possible it may be met with a collective yawn because that dead horse has been severely mutilated. (Sorry, I'm an animal lover, shouldn't use dead animal metaphors.)

BO is the new flavor of the month. However along with being new and exciting he brings a whole different flavor of lazy ass reporting for the MSM. Is BO patriotic enough? Hmmm. If you don't think McCain is going to put Reverend Wright front and center in his ads or another swiftboat group calling themselves God knows what isn't going to sear questions about BO's patriotism into the hearts and minds of middle America, you're mistaken. The patriotism questions will be too good for the MSM to pass up.

Hear me now and listen to me later ... In the general election the press is going to turn on Obama so fast you and other Obamaites heads will explode!

US, When he calls the cease fire off all Hell will break loose and we will have One Hundred Forty Thousand Soldiers in the middle of the horns like at Little Big Horn. anonparanoid.

Iraqi Troops Battle Shiite Militia
By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer

Tuesday, March 25, 2008

(03-25) 16:22 PDT BAGHDAD, (AP) --

Iraq's leaders faced their gravest challenge in months Tuesday as Shiite militiamen loyal to anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr battled government forces for control of the southern oil capital, fought U.S. and Iraqi troops in Baghdad and unleashed rockets on the Green Zone.

Armed Mahdi Army militiamen appeared on some Baghdad streets for the first time in more than six months, as al-Sadr's followers announced a nationwide campaign of strikes and demonstrations to protest a government crackdown on their movement. Merchants shuttered their shops in commercial districts in several Baghdad neighborhoods.

Okay gang. It just happened. Seconds ago. I accidentally tuned my TV to MSNBC for like, five seconds, and before I could switch it off I could not avoid a snippet in which Chris Matthews and Margaret Carlson defined victory down for Obama in Pa.
Yes, you heard it here first folks. If Obama can "hold Hillary to 10 points or less" he will have won Pennsylvania. They actually said that.
This is just such a joke. You have to laugh at the idiocy, no matter whom you support.

Lardass.....
retired?!!....

no, no, no.....
we need you around here..... the humor thing was almost dead here until you returned.....

almost time for American Idol......
Simon Cowell for President!......

nite all....

my first vote was for JFK in 1960......i have watched these idiots at the DNC put candidates up that were complete disasters ,,,,,,,,,49 stae losses etc ......im getting so disgusted with the dems that for the second time in my life i probably will vote for a gop for president ....first time was in 1988....dukakis was pitiful

"Edward Our Burro" Oooooh Good One.

"And the fact that Obama is well-regarded in the media - will serve him well in the general election."

Warren, do you really believe that Fox will not revert to type and attack him constantly? The others? They will go wherever gets them ratings. Cable News and whores have a lot in common. Take that back. The whores provide a desired service.

LL: I couldn't replace any one. This forum is wonderful. Everyone add/detracts to it in their own unique way.

You guys inspire me. : )

(ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) ― A published report says that years after Gov. David Paterson said he ended an affair with a state employee, he traveled with her to South Carolina while working on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign.

The Times Union of Albany says he billed the state for the trip.

Paterson spokesman Errol Cockfield didn't immediately respond to a request for comment today. He told the newspaper he couldn't explain why records show Paterson and the $151,000-a-year employee were at the same inn. )

This happened in 2007 he billed the state for it. How could we make Spitzer leave office for the same thing? Patterson should leave from office as well if we are keeping everyone to the same standard.

Love Our Burro, btw.

tz: No matter what happens in this primary ... remember. Friends don't let friends vote Republican!

Lard, that is funny and the judgment Mdeia will contune to spin for Obama until their poll numbers are crushed in November.

As for the fighting in Basra, sure, let's ignore the effort the Iraq army is making without much help from the US or Brits. And should Sadr unload, the Sunnis and Kurds will only respond in kind. Sadr is slowly getting cornered and don't think there isn't a contract out on him ready waiting for the green light. Maybe he'll get food poisening again. Like Obama, every time Iraqi critics slips in judgment, the bar is re-set to make them more credible. LOL

Read what Iraq woman think about the illegal occupation.

Iraqi women once had more rights and freedom than most others in the Arab world.

WASHINGTON, Mar 6 (IPS) - Iraq, where women once had more rights and freedom than most others in the Arab world, has turned deadly for women who dream of education and a professional career.

Former dictator Saddam Hussein maintained a relatively secular society, where it was common for women to take up jobs as professors, doctors and government officials. In today's Iraq, women are being killed by militia groups for not conforming to strict Islamist ways.

Basra police chief Gen. Jalil Hannoon told reporters and Arab TV channels in December that at least 40 women had been killed during the previous five months in that city alone.

Read the rest at the link below.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/79251/

"Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs." - Rosie Perez in "White Men Can't Jump"

Not that this would ever happen, but if Clinton and Obama were smart, they would do the following at a joint appearance in Washington:

They would stand next to 2 cut outs, one of W and the other of McCain. They would be labeled as the "Republican Unity Ticket of 2008"

They would then say that McCain vowed that he would go to the depths of hell to capture Osama Bin Laden. Now, 7 years later, he has only gone as far at the presidents lap and now agrees with Obama.

They would then talk about how McCain was against the Bush tax cuts so when they were being enacted and now that its been show had bad they were for the economy, he refuses to let them expire...basically trying to have it both ways on the issue...another issue where he ran to the lap of the president.

There are so many issues that they could do this that they could cripple McCain well before the general...

I don't think it will take much to get McCain to continue his senility gaffe of the day and when he is needled enough, get him to crack...

Renee...GA...just teasin' about retiring. You guys are WAY too fun.
BTW Renee...I never think I got to tell you how much I enjoyed all the HotTubbin' Renee posts while you were on vacation! I felt like I was right there with you. (Not actually in the hot tub with you and Rick, mind you. Just on your nice, winter vacation).

Patterson is indeed a joke after Spitzer. NY is in great shape, but Spitzer had other problems like dirty tricks against foes and was a vocal crusader. It seems worse when the high minded prove less than divine..

anon: Just another thing to add to the long list of atrocities committed in our name.

My God, I wish the Democrats in congress had the stones to impeach those s.o.b's.

And it looks like the cease fire is going to end as it nears its breaking point.

The fighting, which severely strains a ceasefire declared by Sadr in late August and renewed last month, prompted the cleric to issue a stern warning that he would launch protests and a nationwide strike if attacks against his movement and "poor people" are not halted.

"We demand that religious and political leaders intervene to stop the attacks on poor people. We call on all Iraqis to launch protests across all the provinces.

"If the government does not respect these demands, the second step will be general civil disobedience in Baghdad and the Iraqi provinces," Sadr said in a statement read by his representative Hazam al-Aaraji in the holy city of Najaf.

Read the whole story at the link below.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/80538/

The US blames the latest attacks on rogue Mahdi Army elements tied to Iran, but analysts say the spike in fighting with Shiite militants potentially opens a second front in the war when the American military is still doing battle with the Sunni extremists of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

"The cease-fire is over; we have been told to fight the Americans," said one Mahdi Army militiaman, who was reached by telephone in Sadr City. This same man, when interviewed in January, had stated that he was abiding by the cease-fire and that he was keeping busy running his cellular phone store.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0326/p01s13-woiq.html

"And it looks like the cease fire is going to end as it nears its breaking point."

And all the MSM can talk about is Hillary embellishing her book and Obama's pastor.

Iraq? Move along, kids ... nothing to see here.

Oh Lord. Now this gambit.
Hey troll...you can just go heat up a Lean Cuisine in the microwave and keep on playing with yourself.
It's the same thing as a date with "Hillary Lies" would be.

*Sound of crickets chirping*

Rachel hit the nail on the head. It is wrong to dismiss Obama as being some left-wing extremist.

What he doing - is just like Reagan - except he is on our side!! He is articulating the so-called "liberal agenda," i.e., all the things we want people: end the war, universal healthcare, fix the economy - by turning on the faucet instead of relying on a slow drip, pass comprehensive immigration reform - and start to fix the mess that Bush and the GOP has created.

It is the perfect time to do this. The GOP is reeling. After Bush, the economy and the 2006 elections - America is ready for that change. And Obama can kick McCain's ass all over the country - turn red states blue - and increase the Dems in congress. That is real change. This will set the table for Hillary Clinton to pass landmark healthcare legislation (which btw is written by Senators - signed by Presidents). And Obama has shown he can be a tremendous advocate on behalf of issues (this is why "speechs matter").

Also - without all the distraction of a "co-presidency" - Bill Clinton can be a MidEast envoy - and finish what he started. In tandem with Richardson (no matter what that son of a bitch Carville says!).

Nominating Hillary kills that momentum, requires an inevitable blood bath that will divide the party and turn off a lot of Americans. The result: a standard partisan election - and we have to play 50+1 roulet in the general election.

Sorry folks - but this election is too critical for that "roll of the dice." If we have learned anything from this primary - it is that HRC is not inevitable.

My money is on Obama 08 - and he is going to be paired with another Democratic superhero to smash the GOP into pieces in the general. It is gonna be a great thing to watch. And of course historical. And Hillary Clinton will play a major role. Both in getting Obama elected - and watching over him after he is.

Change for the better happens in THIS election.

(That is what the "fierce urgency of now" means to me. It's not just a "black thing")

For those interested in voicing their opposition to the
disenfranchisement of the Florida & Michigan voters
there is an online petition to seat the delegates, looking for 10,000 signatures to submit to Howard Dean & the DNC, over at Talk Left.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/25/144044/013

LaLi, You provide a light hearted humor needed to balance the posts, so hope you are only kidding about retiring. Your comments would be greatly missed.

GAKaren...

So true.

And don't forget the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions who have not lived up to their obligations either. They should all file War Crimes Charges against all those in this administration along with those in the House and Senate who went along with this madness.

From the Dave Chappelle show...

"Audience Member: Mr. Negrodemus, why was George W. Bush so sure that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of mass destruction?

Negrodemus: "Because they still have the receipts"

Saddam Hussein was a shit sandwich of a dictator, but he was perfectly acceptable to the Bush's when he was on the Company payroll.

If you aren't aware of US history in this area, if a dictator was anti communist or anti the Iranian, they could club baby seal with spiked bats and they would not fear losing the millions of dollars of US foreign aid that they were pocketing. Being Haitian, it is a sore subject to see what a scumbag Francois Duvalier did to the country with the blessing of the US government. What does it tell you when his son is chased into exile, his wife got to take her 200 fur coats with her? Why do you need 1 @#$# fur in the Caribbean? Why did Imelda Marcos need 2000 pairs of shoes? All bought and paid for by American taxpayers?

At least if you want to be an anti Iranian jingoist like John McCain, you can say Saddam did "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran..." I'm sure the invasion was a little bit of penis envy from W.

Impeach? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ........democrats are arguing over who can most effectively try and attempt to maybe prepare to kind of (perhaps) wish the republicans were not such unflinchingly in-your-face and hypocritical people killers.

Coreen...I was only kidding. Honest. :)

"Chris Matthews and Margaret Carlson "

Two incredibly slap-worthy people.

Coreen,

I'm curious what you think about the Democratic rules in general? I understand that the republicans gave the Dems the jellyfinger by moving the primary forward, but what was Michigan's excuse? Rules are rules right? If you tell your kid not to drink at the party they go to and they do, don't you punish them or do you fear you will disenfranchise them?

Also, why aren't Obama and Clinton making more of a point to mock the Bush "abstinence only Sex Ed directive"? If the economy could grow at the same rate that STD's have grown amongst teens aged 14-19, we'd all be wiping our asses with $20 Bills...

"Like Obama, every time Iraqi critics slips in judgment, the bar is re-set to make them more credible. LOL"

Guess what Max?!

You don't set that bar. And based on some of your posts - I am glad.

And Obama does not need to pass Wolfson's Commander in Chief test. Most of the Country believes in Obama - and he will win.

(You better start getting used to it. Maybe you should have a drink or smoke a joint every once and awhile - you need to chill out and worry is a wasted emotion ; )

most of WHAT country believes in Obama? that's about the most ridiculous thing i've ever read.......if you put "hillary" in there instead of "obama" it would only be equally ridiculous.......most of the country, indeed........you nuts?

I know......asking if someone is nuts is like asking them if they are asleep.......

Bear,

Florida really wasn't the state Democratic Party's fault and they applied for a waiver that was turned down by the national. They couldn't afford to stage a second election on a date different than that set by the Republican Secretary of State. Those votes should be counted as is.

Michigan, they should inflict the punishment the Republican party used: Take away half of their delegates, but count the the votes. That reduces their leverage at the convention without disenfranchising the voters.

clinton's bosnia trip'' monica'' rascist
obama 's preacher ''' rezko
mccain will be laughing all the way to his
presidential inauguration

Jamie, GAKaren:

I know the risks of EACH Democratic candidate with respect to 527s. And it is the media that will play them - and either defuse them or intensify them. You all seem to agree that the media is on Obama's side.

I don't think Matthews, Keith, Rachel, Nora, etc. are simply going to fold against GOP attacks in the fall. They will be fighting valiantly on behalf of Obama.

And do you know how brutal the media will be on Hillary in the general. The impeachment stuff has basically been off the table in the primary. It will be front and center in the general. And a bitter MSNBC will do HRC no favors on this issue. And Coulturegeist will have a field day. You may despise that woman - but she is very good at drawing attention to herself - and inserting pithy sound bites in people heads. It will get ugly. And it will only fuel the partisan flames and further divide this country just at the moment when we have a chance to come together.

This is what frustrates me the most about Bill's lies that a Clinton-McCain election will be respectful and about the issues. Bullshit. The Right Wing attack machine won't let it. The "liberal" media will do nothing to stop it. And John McCain will keep the high ground.

(Of course we don't hear too much about Bill's insidious remarks because the Clinton campaign effectively attacked the messenger - plus the Obama campaign blew it on the issue because they were frustrated by the "kitchen sink" approach. I am glad he took a vacation...rest up for the push in PA. It is going to be a ground war - and I think I am going to head out there ; )

Sturg...
Don't sweat it. Warren is not nuts at all. It's just that his abundant posts can be kind of like a stroll through the Self-Help section at Barnes & Noble. Cheery. Chirpy. Urgent. Naive. Ready to grab at the closest trend at hand. Full of brightly-colored books pointing out problems that you didn't know existed, yet full of optimistic solutions.
Yet somehow, throughout it all, maintaining very little basis in fact.
That's why you gotta love the guy. That's why I do!

I don't think Matthews, Keith, Rachel, Nora, etc. are simply going to fold against GOP attacks in the fall. They will be fighting valiantly on behalf of Obama.

---warren

He has a dream.

So is Hillary's defense on Bosnia that she lies when she is tired?

Oh - sorry - I mean "mis-spoke." Just giving you a preview of the general.

And they will tear her "experience" argument to pieces. McCain beats her on all counts. And she voted for the War.

That was a great post Warren! One thing about Republicans is that we want our party to go back to thier promises of balancing the budget, smaller gov't, and cutting taxes for all. When we(Rs) were in power the Congress went back on all its promises in order to stay in power- which is what led to the Republicans losing the majority. Most Republicans are furious with our party because of those reasons and would vote for a canidate of the other party in order to get our party to rebuild itself by returning the principals that brought so many of us into it. Now I will tell you honestly, I believe that many would vote for Obama, but I can't imagine one registered Republican ever voting for another Clinton in the general election, that would be deal breaker and we would vote for McCain. Just adding my opinion to pot, :) Don't hate me.

Siesha was great on American Idol tonight.

Patton's T-Ball game was great, he made a double play when playing pitcher, caught the ball and ran to home and got the runner out!

You think Pat is still going to be making HRC's case in the fall? Cause it is pretty much just him and the Clinton loyalists.

What is the matter with a bigger tent?

Lets have a hypothetical...

Lets say McCain wins the Presidency and although we don't know who the VP will be assume that its someone who is a GWB cell clone.

The truth comes out that McCain is very sick. Knowing he was going to die from his cancer he went to the head Repug and sold his soul to be what he always wanted to be. Something he was denied in 2000, the Presidency.

So knowing that he wouldn't live out his first term they graced him with the approval rating to go for it. Now the American People are told that after he had a physical his cancer has returned and when the day comes he can no longer fulfill his Presidential Duties he would step down and let his VP take over.

That's when we all discover that the VP is a GWB clone.

Nightmare on Pennsylvania Avenue begins.

Warren, My post was regarding you 8:11 post, seems I type extremely slow and you had posted quite a few times before I finished:)

Anon...

I love it. What a great GOP ticket!

John McCain/Freddie Krueger!

Someone commented earlier that Obama's campaign has made Bill Clinton look rascist...

I disagree, Bill Clinton has made himself look the fool. The media was ready to hang his ass for getting a blow job from a chubby but cute intern. At what point did the freakin Rhodes Scholar think they would start giving him the benefit of the doubt now?

The press was pining for chinks in the Clinton armor and while Hillary was displaying a masterful poker face for the most part, Bill was back to wagging the finger at us all...when will he realize that even if people know you are smarter than they are, they don't like it when you remind them of that fact...

All I can say (in a Boston accent) He's freakin retarded...

LIE: Seeking to hijack the civil rights movement and to attach the suffering of civil rights workers to his own personal aggrandizement, Obama told his audience in Selma “[M]y grandfather began to imagine something different…His son, who grew up herding goats…So the Kennedy’s decided we’re going to do an air lift..This young man Barack Obama got one of those tickets…”

Barack, Sr. arrived in Hawaii two years before Kennedy even ran for the presidency, three years before Kennedy took office. There was no Kennedy “air lift” and no Kennedy “ticket” which brought his father to America. Obama’s speech was all a lie.

Obama also repeated the lie that his father was “herding goats.” I am sure Onyango insisted that his son help care for the large amount of livestock on his wealthy farm, no doubt because Barack, Sr. was a bit of a wise guy and his dad wanted to make him toe the line. But Barack, Sr. was a bright student, indeed a brilliant one, who initially went into commercial work and had no part of any career "herding goats.” The “goat herd” lie is one which Obama has constantly repeated over the past three years.

FACT: Obama was born in 1961. The riot in Selma, Alabama took place in 1965. By 1965, Barack, Sr. had abandoned his second wife (Obama's mother) and moved back to Kenya after going to Harvard University, where he cavorted with the woman who would become his third wife and bear his third family. Barack’s father and mother had no relationship at the time of Selma.

I cant decide if I'm being hornswaggled or boondoggled......

these republicans will stop at nothing.......lol

it does'nt really matter' but did anyone bother to ask the soldiers that were in bosnia what they thought'
did they think they were on a sunday picnic in the park
or a war zone

Chelsea was great today dealing with that jackass questioner. Perhaps next she can handle David Axelrod.

Are you refering to me Sturge?

Jenn.....yes, actually it was your post which jerked my knee........sorry........

but I could never hate you.......

While not fan of John McCain, I'm growing weary of ageism remarks all over television.

"Lynn Sweet of the Sun-Times reposted her August, 2004 article in which she expressed frustration and exasperation at Obama’s deceptions in “Dreams.”

The media do not want to admit that Obama is disordered, because that would prick the balloon they have created around him. They have a vested interest in his survival. If there is a Democratic Party slugfest for the presidential nomination due to Obama, the media will make hundreds of millions of dollars in extra advertising as Edwards, Clinton and Obama raise huge amounts of money and spend it on ads. If Obama implodes, media stand to lose hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising. I am not suggesting that reporters covering the election are controlled by management. But reporters can’t be oblivious to the fact that newspapers and television organizations are shrinking, and hundreds of millions of dollars in political advertising will extend the life of these organizations into 2009. You be the judge if there is a subconscious conflict of interest.

THE BOTTOM LINE: Someone who lies habitually about objective facts, someone who fabricates a family history, someone who trashes his ancestors and diminishes them with false claims, is not someone that most of us would trust to be in the Oval office."

Was it Siesha or T-Ball? :)

Do any of you people have jobs? I see that as soon as Craig posts a comment you are on it like vultures on road kill. From early AM to late PM.

I was just wondering if, even maybe, your jobs are to post on the blogs.

Awe thanks, I Love you too!

LL:

"Don't sweat it. Warren is not nuts at all. It's just that his abundant posts can be kind of like a stroll through the Self-Help section at Barnes & Noble. Cheery. Chirpy. Urgent. Naive. Ready to grab at the closest trend at hand. Full of brightly-colored books pointing out problems that you didn't know existed, yet full of optimistic solutions."

This is exactly what people like to read in FL! I am going to have people reading Obama's books all over the beaches of FL this summer (hopefully the Big-O will help ; )! And guess what buddy - people like these so-called "self-help" books. A lot more than the like to read about Clinton legal briefs about "disenfranchisement." A bitter legal-battle (and this will be bitter) - will serve FL on a platter to the GOP.

(And what's the matter with "self help" anways? Just because you seem to want to sit on your ass and let the Clintons fix this Country - does NOT mean the rest of us have to feel the same way.)

btw, sometimes you can be a real pompous jackass (I left out the rest of your post - but thanks for the back-handed compliment...I guess ; ). And I would be really curious to see what "facts" you base your superiority on.

(A man cannot exist on his wits alone ; )

Obama's aren't the charitable types even when their income explodes.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/25/152754/611

Need to compare the 1 - 4% for seven years to the Clinton's returns when they are released.

Here's another story that has gone untold about the Iraqi War and what it has done to our soldiers.

Estimate: 120 Veteran Suicides Per Week

WASHINGTON, DC - March 24 - Late last year, a CBS News investigation found that in 2005 "there were at least 6,256 suicides among those who served in the armed forces. That's 120 each and every week, in just one year."

Last week, CBS News reported on data it had just obtained from the government on veterans who were recently treated by the Veterans Administration. In this limited sample, "two age groups stood out between 2000 and 2007. First, ages 20-24 -- those likely to have served during the Iraq-Afghan wars. Suicide attempts rose from 11 to 47. And for vets ages 55 to 59, suicide attempts jumped from 19 to 117."

Read the rest at the link below.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2008/0324-09.htm

Bear,
How to answer your question--rules are rules, right?

Well, not always. From what I can discern from the
Democratic primary/DNC rules, nothing is quite as it
seems. In an effort to accomodate some voters over
others, decisions have been made, w/o a mechanism
to resolve potential problems, just such as the situation in both Florida & Michigan. I suspect that no one ever anticipated such an historic contest to develop & did not fully prepare for what has occurred.

Therefore, since the rules were devised in response
to the particular situation, the rules certainly can be
revised. I believe there is no rule preventing Dean & the DNC reversing the decision that resulted in the disenfranchisement of its own voting members. That's the simplicity & beauty of rule-making. They are always subject to revision.

Once the DNC set out to "penalize" FL & Mi, all sides
were & remain at a stalemate, leaving millions of voters, mostly members of the democratic party, disenfranchised through no fault of their own, other than a desire to cast a ballot in their respective states.
One thing I have learned over the years, especially
when interpreting laws, rules, regulations, nothing
is black & white, there is always a resolution, but it
requires individuals willing to work towards a resolution.

Since Dean took no leadership in resolving this problem but rather deftly inserted a requirement that
both candidates had to agree to any accomodation
he deflected the DNC's sole responsibility to
resolve the issue.

I would think you would be personally offended at the
thought of any voter being disenfranchised, from the
comments you have posted herein & would champion
a resolution, not simply saying oh welll rules are rules,
Right!

As to other DNC rules, it seems that they are pretty
vague as well. Apparently, there is no requirement that
pledged delegates, never mind superdelegates, have
to vote for the candidate they are pledged to. Which
raises even more potential problems.

Wondering. I'm retired and just pop in to see what others are saying while doing housework, cooking, shopping, reading, blogging and such. I just keep the tab up to click.

The others can fill you in on their activities.

We may have snow here in the Willamette Valley tomorrow. Very unusual for this time of year..

Jennbe.......never about the children........

When we(Rs) were in power the Congress went back on all its promises in order to stay in power- which is what led to the Republicans losing the majority. Most Republicans are furious with our party because of those reasons and would vote for a canidate of the other party in order to get our party to rebuild itself by returning the principals that brought so many of us into it. Now I will tell you honestly, I believe that many would vote for Obama, but I can't imagine one registered Republican ever voting for another Clinton in the general election, that would be deal breaker and we would vote for McCain. Just adding my opinion to pot, :) Don't hate me.

besides my aunt used to live on Patton Ave. in Fairfax.

Posted by: Wondering | March 25, 2008 8:50 PM

wifi and portable devices
check in from work too

internet cafes

Hey "Wondering".......what's it to ya?

Bear:

I saw on one of the news shows that some Democratic machine had a website or a commerical with a cartoon of McCain and some of his positions.

It was in poor taste - and if the Democrats make light of the War - they will lose. (And I wish CNN would stop telling me what the #1 issue is...).

McCain is good on the issues. And he can articulate them in a way that appeals to "Amurica" - the same country that elected W twice!!

I think if we send in Hillary - we are going down the same path the Dems did with Kerry. Push the young guy aside (Edwards who coulda beat Bush in 2004) - in favor of the establishment candidate with the "experience." Who was for the War before [s]he was against it.

And McCain is no Bush.

No, M bellish shithead, when he said he might not be here, he was not referring to his birth, but to the fact that, without Selma, he would not have become a senator or a serious presidential candidate.
sign up or shut up!

Warren...

You just need to relax more. Maybe post just a teensy-weensy bit less (you're eating up all my bandwidth with bascially the same six-paragraph-long Obama-drooler posts, over and over again, dude).

And, most of all, enjoy life. Cuz I really think you're a good guy.

And, in exchange, I will certainly cop to sometimes sounding like a "pompous jackass." And now...it's time for Bush's War: Part II. Later, folks.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/a-democratic-conclave.html#comment-58290

obama and clinton are like two people fighting to see
who will be captain of the titanic after they hit the iceberg
the ship is going down. its just a matter of who will
ride her down to the bottom. and the band played on

Wondering: To quote Chelsea Clinton.."It is none of your business".

Thanks Sturge, my reasons for wanting to vote for Obama are a little of what I posted above and a little about him, I like him, he makes sense to me and would like to have the oppourtunity to see what he can do. I do know my parties talking points pretty well, though!

Patton was my maiden name, and my other son, Tripp who is a third was named after my husband and his daddy, my father's name happened to be the same as theirs so I had to use Patton.

"pompous jackass

Hey Lardass.........youre not the least bit pompous........

Warren,

Virtually every negative the right wing could put in the 527 would apply to Bill not to Hillary. Do you really think she murdered her male lover and then took up with women for a little peace and quiet in which to spend her cattle futures profits and making trip reservations with the new employees of the travel office? There just isn't all that much they could say about Sen. Clinton without sounding like total idiots.

oops, should have been party's

Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. "Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: `I meant the whole civil rights movement.'" [New York Times, 3/5/07]http:www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/25/15919/4101

No, M bellish shithead, when he said he might not be here, he was not referring to his birth, but to the fact that, without Selma, he would not have become a senator or a serious presidential candidate.
sign up or shut up!

Really look s like you are wrong

and unless your name is Craig Crawford you are not the boss of me.

"Shame on you Barack Obama!"

"Clinton jabbed the air with her hands as she told a crowd in Cincinnati, Ohio, that two Obama mailings spread lies about her positions on universal health care and the North American Free Trade Agreement."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/23/clinton.mailings/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

"As she campaigns now, Clinton says, "I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning."

But the White House records confirm that this is not true."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=300860

Sounds like the Clinton campaign's "chickens are coming home to roost..."

(J. Wright may be crazy - but you must admit - he has a way with words.)

If you know the story and have a link then why you posting BS.

I got some cheese for your whine.

Yep, watch Frontline.....
Later Warren and company.

Later.

i hate it when the comics work scatalogically........

Okay , I'm just relating a story my friend told me tonight. My best friend is friends with a black man named Tony. Tony is 6'7" tall. Tony went to a bar on St. Patrick's Day. While he was sitting at the bar a white guy came up to him and asked: "What do you call a black pilot?" Tony looked at the guy and was about to get mad. The guy then said "A pilot , you racist!" Tony then started laughing. True story.

Call me an agist if ya want, but..if you elect that doddering old fool president, as my doddering old grandmother used to say, "make my words..you'll rue the dayyyy"..

If ya think McCain's prowar stance is scary, take a look at Leiberman's and ask yerself what job he wants in that cabinet??? huh?????

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/04/rnc_to_blast_ob.html

...because obsessing about all this BS has got to be bad for your mental and physical health not to mention the pressure ulcers you must be getting on your asses. I gave up my addiction to cable news a month ago and a life fell into my lap. I have never been happier.

oops..crap..that would be 'mark my words..'

Warren,

"I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning."

And three people who sat in on the meetings when NAFTA was being proposed have testified that she voiced definite reservations. Once done, she was first lady not the Republican opposition, she supported her husband. That is why she has come out with wanting changes more in line with her original reservations without scrapping the whole thing since there are actually sections of the country and businesses that benefit from some of the provisions.

Night night all. Have a nice evening.

Sturgeone:

"I know......asking if someone is nuts is like asking them if they are asleep......."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Chuang_Tzu

My vote tonight goes to David Cook!!!!

Jamie:

"And three people who sat in on the meetings when NAFTA was being proposed have testified that she voiced definite reservations."

Clinton loyalists perhaps? Was their "testimony" under oath?

(not that that matters to some - ouch - low blow!)

Good night Jamie.

Finally!

http://omg.yahoo.com/g-i-joe-live-action-movie-details-revealed/news/7676

Last post for the evening.

Lakers Rhapsody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7_AlZFpsXQ

How sad!

Dan Abrams' One hour show is just about Gotcha politics between the two democrat campaigns.

NOT one issue important to the electorate is being discussed.
What a joke. I thought Dan was better than that.

Hi Rez,

Dan is the "Obamopposite" (pardon the pun) of Keith for ratings until the end of the prmaries.

Cheers!

Usually keep the tab open at work and check in and post

Check on my treo when I'm on the tram at school

Got a promotion at work - went from running one area of IT to two areas of IT...now I'm busy and can only check in for a bit in the morning and maybe in the evening when I get home...although I do sneak a peek here and there during the day...

Will enjoy participating in the conversation more on weekends but as someone said above Heather and others are doing a good job of keeping the Hillary flame going.

Nite all!!!

"There just isn't all that much they could say about Sen. Clinton without sounding like total idiots."

Mika and Matthews this morning on MSNBC are proof of that!

Actually...he WAS talking about his birth...the campaign later changed it so he didn't look like a complete idiot

From the actual speech:

"He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born."

Clearly from this he is insinuating that his parents got together because of what "happened" [past tense] in Selma...problem is...when BOjr was born it hadn't happened yet.

Ha ha ha......we now have a Brand New Bogey Man....."wahhh......do it my way or I'll just vote for McCain"

vote away, sweethearts.......ya would have anyway if you think you can.

Once you have said something about a thing, you are already off the mark..........
----Chef Boy-ar-dee

Remember when I said HRC would need to be flawless to tread this difficult path to the nomination...she is not off to a good start.

Cambell tore Lanny Davis a new one on CNN over the Bosnia issue. Granted - he had a tough case. After his attempts to attack Cambell and deflect her questions - he finally rested on the FACT that Clinton is losing by less in a POLL re: an election that is 7 months away!

(are polls facts? I would say not until a few days before the actual election...)

Actually Warren - I listened to that exact same interview on my way home from work and . . . he kicked her BUTT on the issue. She finally had to back down. You completely mis-characterized the interview. He came loaded with FACTS that SHE didn't have and he let her have it.

Hopefully the video will be on YouTube or something so we can link it later...let the people decide.

I say HE kicked HER butt and good.

I'm leaving the computer now...so save it for tomorrow Warren because I probably won't be back until tomorrow's thread.

;-)

Mint:

Wolfson - is that you?!

Here is some advice. When your candidate gets caught in a lie - move on. Shoving a bunch of trumped-up and relatively-weak charges against Obama - only makes what HRC did seem all the much worse.

(It also seems she was recalling prepared remarks - so it was probably a group effort to see how far they could push the truth... Looks like someone over-stepped. Glad I did not work on those remarks ; ))

Howie - was it you or Penn?

(Doesn't matter - I am sure those words passed through both your hands.)

Overconfidence leads to complacency.

(But hey, look on the bright side... At least you can take that long-overdue vacation (get some sun buddy - you need it!) and at least Obama spared you from the GOP.)

Wendy:

Congrats on the promotion!

If McCain wins...I am moving to Costa Rica ASAP!!

"Here is some advice. When your candidate gets caught in a lie - move on. Shoving a bunch of trumped-up and relatively-weak charges against Obama - only makes what HRC did seem all the much worse"

The charges all come from the Republican National Committee not the Clinton campaign.

Trumped up and relatively weak charges. Sounds like the response to the swiftboat claims.

Hah! Mint you are deluded.

(Get me some of what you are smoking!!)

And I don't care who they come from - it could be Benjamin Linus for all I care - and they would still be weak charges.

And when most politicians get caught in lies - there is only a transcript.

So like I said - you may want to try to tug this under the rug (but be prepared for it to blow up in our faces in October).

Again - Obama, his supporters and MSNBC will adequately respond to these alleged 527's you always threaten (most of which will likely be videos of the Clintons reinforcing Right Wing attacks).

warren, can I move in with ya?

I hear Costa Rico is the happenin' place these days.

tt

Sure tt!

Costa has been happening for years. It is already time to start looking into Panama. But there are plenty of pristine places left in Costa Rica. That place is amazing. Good waves, good people and good cheap food - and monkeys on the beach!!

Warren: To reiterate, the mainstream media is NEVER on the side of the Democratic presidential nominee in the general election.

All the Olbermann's, Maddow's, et. al cannot combat right wing corporate bullshit and the people that will lap up the 527's swill do not watch MSNBOC or listen to Air America.

I'm talking about middle America ... that is the target audience of the 527's and all they are going to see is a scary non-white person that is not patriotic enough to be POTUS.

It is one thing to support your candidate but to blindly dissmiss recent presidential election history is a big mistake. The fawning coverage of Obama will evaporate and the only outlets singing his praises will be the blogosphere and Air America once again.

The blogosphere is growing. It was only in its infancy stage when Dean almost rode it to the nomination.

And I would not write off MSNBC - the place for politics as "Air America."

Buenas noches.

I believe last night was the first time I heard Chelsea speak.
She was really good with timing as she shut the punk up by saying it was none of their business. The student had apparently asked Chelsea something about the intern, years ago. Chelsea said that was the first time anybody had ever asked her about that.
It happened somewhere in Indiana...hard to locate a story on it.

Lanny Davis said we should also see the donor list for the Clinton library. Let's see em.

Hopefully there will be something good in there for SNL. They are the ones who are supposed to focus on "silly season" - and Stewart and Cobert and the late-night shows of course....

The "new dream ticket":

Chelsea and the 21 year-old Super D - '24.

Their slogan can be we have more "experience" in Washington than we do outside it!

(I am not going to get into who is on the top of the ticket - let their supporters fight it out : )

I think Obama can get within 10 points in PA.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1725397,00.html

(Will the Clinton campaign express (mock) outrage at the tremendous growth of the Demcratic party in PA?! At that point - it is time for her to join forces with Pat B. and run on a 3rd Party ticket. They can run as the Left and Right Wing Establishment - joining forces to destroy the politics of hope...).

Warren..I suggest you get some rest.

Jamie,
I agree with your post from 4.25.
But I think there is one more reason: Barrack was build by momentum and media, and instead of laying low and being the genuine guy, he smelled success and went overboard... He grabbed the hands of the establishment that were handed to him and took the swim, now there is no turning back!
If Barrack loses this, he is over and he knows.
Don´t know if that will be the same for Hill though....Allthough the media will rip her to shreds more and more. So for both of them it is over.

Rez: Hill has the establishemt or part of it. Fully agree.
But Barrack was (IS?) about CHANGE! So why huddle with the part of the establishment if you preach change? Do you think that Kennedy and Kerry are just standing by him for the good of the country? Give me a break. They are waiting for him to be elected and then the payback can begin. They failed misserably and need to get their fat #$%& in the O.

The more I look at Barrack, the more I see a power hungry guy, who has no clue what he has gotten himself into.

Amen!

GAKaren,

Your post from 7:26 is priceless. Word for Word!
100% accurate!
Love it...

This black man salutes you

"The stacked deck that is American corporate-owned media will be all too happy to go "Cheney with the shotgun" on us in the GE. "

GAKaren -- The dog wanted out and now Icant go back to sleep....damn! But I tried to catch up on the messages, and saw your post Karen....scrolled down to say Kudos, and Jason had beat me to it!

LOVE your line about the media going "Cheney with the shotgun" on us!

Jason and Patsi: Thank you! Needed to vent.

Patsi: You and I are keeping the same hours! I'm going to try to get back to sleep also ...

See you later this morning, everyone.

GET UP....

It is allready 11:00 in the morning in Amsterdam and this man is allready working for 4 hours!
:))

I still feel that since Maggie W. took over the campaign I have seen a total different Hillary...Really!

Furthermore,
I said it once here before. If Hillary is able to win this nomination, she will have won both a contender (being Barrack) and the entire MSM!
Damn....what an onslaught.

Yesterday, the dutch press swamped over the Bosnia story. I was flabbergasted. Like it was headlines over here on the news stations!

p.s.: I was watching Cafferty on CNN and all he had to say was how it is impossible for Hillary to win. My God, if it is impossible for her to win, why is everybody still hassling her?
I mean, if I was in a fight with someone who in my opinion would have lost allready, I surely would preserve my energy.
The problem is, that every pundit knows that Hillary will probably go all the way and maybe win this thing in the end. That is why the people with the likes of Richardson are endorsing team B, they know........what we also know

This idea ignores the fact that a large number of super delegates plan to cast their votes in line with the popular vote.