Video Trail Mix: The Fabulous Moolah

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In the News:

  • For McCain, Self-Confidence On Ethics Poses Its Own Risks (New York Times):  "A female lobbyist had been turning up with him [John McCain] at fund-raisers, visiting his offices and accompanying him on a client’s corporate jet. Convinced the relationship had become romantic, some of his top advisers intervened to protect the candidate from himself."
  • News Networks Bump Clinton Out of Picture (Washington Post, Howard Kurtz):  "Craig Crawford, a Congressional Quarterly columnist, said the networks had no choice but to cut away from Clinton Tuesday night after Obama forced the issue. 'That was a definite violation of the etiquette of these election night dramas, where people take turns giving their speeches and don't step on each other,' he said. 'When you break a rule like that, it's a very hostile gesture.'

 

    Comments

  1. would obama be Brute Bernard, or Skull Murphy?

    Posted by: sturgeone | February 21, 2008 6:25 AM

  2. UhOh. Here's a missive from Mrs. Obama. I hear the BO cynic cops knocking on my door already....

    "Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed. "

    Posted by: Patsi | February 21, 2008 6:53 AM

  3. Craig..... thanks for the video....
    I missed your appearance on Abrams last night..... Rick and I bundled up and went outside to watch the lunar eclipse..... it was spectacular!.....

    anyhoo..... it was nice to get a Craig fix on the blog this morning.....

    oh yeah..... the horse race..... may Secretariat rest in peace.....

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee | February 21, 2008 7:14 AM

  4. Moolah Moolah Moolah Craig! I've been hoping a good smack down by momma since the media wrapped the baby diaper around the big O and burped him.

    Hey, hope you're strecthing your right leg and foot - I spent a summer in a boot, when I finally got it off my right leg was so off from over compensating that I wound up in PT for that one too.....stretch!

    Posted by: econsmed Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 7:34 AM

  5. Interesting mix of posts last. Maybe it's just me but I think Michelle Obama reminds me of Claire Huxtable from the Cosby Show. I mean that in a nice way. Now if only Barack would start wearing nifty sweaters like Cliff Huxtable did. John McCain had an affair? Damn. Is everybody having sex these days? On a final note , I'll be glad when this election is finally over. What will we have to fight about then?

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 7:35 AM

  6. tiptoe,

    What do I think of this election?

    What Corey said... "on a final note".

    Posted by: 9/11 survivor (sort of) Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 7:36 AM

  7. "What will we have to fight about then?"

    Corey -- we could invite a bunch of Miami Cubans to visit and bring up Elian Gonzalez.....

    Posted by: Patsi | February 21, 2008 7:38 AM

  8. Do I hear ONE MORE COW , ONE MORE COW , COW???? SOLD TO THE MAN WITH THE NEW CANE! LOL!

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 7:39 AM

  9. Craig as a kid I too use to watch The Fabulous Moolah, real name Mary Lillian Ellison, on TV. Even went to the old Philadelphia Convention Center with my dad to see her wrestle with the other top male stars of the mid to late 1950's. Later I moved to Columbia, SC and discovered I was in Moolahland. Moolah died late last year at the age of 84. In 2006 she was still wrestling although very sparingly.

    HRC like Moolah is a battler and like Moolah she has a number of tactics left concealed in her playbook. HRC's shoulders haven't been pinned down, and she hasn't submitted or been disqualified. HRC if you are going to lose, then lose ugly, as losing pretty is for wimps. Moolah never lost pretty.

    Posted by: FryDaddy Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 7:48 AM

  10. Patsi , this is the closest I've been to actually participating in the discussions of a Presidential election. I am a member of a non-political Yahoo! group , that had occasionally discussed politics. But , whenever politics were discussed one of the group's most vocal members got into arguments with a few others. Mainly because they had a different opinion than he did on a few things. One by one people started quitting the group because of this one person. Eventually , this person was *kicked out* of the group. Soon after , all the people who had left because of him returned and many new members joined the group. So , I had always been afraid to talk about politics because it usually ended up starting fights.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 7:50 AM

  11. Patsi..... ROFL!

    or we could sing them a love song about Fidel......

    I think we should resurrect the Fabulous Moolah and put her in the ring with Dame........ oh shit....... what was the name of that character that Mike Myers played?...... the name just went right outta my head......

    I hate it when that happens......

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee | February 21, 2008 7:53 AM

  12. lol@RR

    Posted by: FryDaddy Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 7:56 AM

  13. Posted by: More Moolah | February 21, 2008 7:57 AM

  14. Just for the record, let me send out a HUGE gripe at my son for finishing his PhD and taking a job in Wash DC. Dammit, I bought you books and sent you to school, and NOW where are you when I have to call a plumber at 6:00 am???? Ahhh....I feel better.

    Posted by: Patsi | February 21, 2008 8:07 AM

  15. Patsi: I wish I could send you our plumber, Mr. Andrews. He's excellent and companionable and even brought along a CD of himself singing and playing guitar. (He's quite good.)

    Don't know if he travels, but he would be worth it.

    Posted by: dog's eye view Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:12 AM

  16. This is what I wanna see when the election is over.

    Winner performs a skit.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYzkEF8Kmvk

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:14 AM

  17. ": I wish I could send you our plumber, Mr. Andrews. He's excellent and companionable and even brought along a CD of himself singing and playing guitar. (He's quite good.) "

    Wow, dog's eye -- that sounds like my kind of plumber!

    The great thing about my son is that although he was a brainiac he was also a big strong football player who could lift anything I needed lifted, and -- an engineer -- so he could do damn near anything from plumbing to rebuilding furniture to fixing a lot of automobile problems. Couldn't seem to pick up his dirty socks....but...

    Posted by: Patsi | February 21, 2008 8:23 AM

  18. Craig...that video is hilarious! I sent it to my family.

    Also, you better watch out with that cranky-old-man cane-shaking routine, or McCain will pick you as his running mate.

    Posted by: LardassLiberal Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:24 AM

  19. Patsi,

    Your son received his PhD. Well that is great news and something you certainly can be proud of. Here is an idea, sent your son the plumber's bill!

    Posted by: FryDaddy Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:26 AM

  20. "Maybe it's just me but I think Michelle Obama reminds me of Claire Huxtable from the Cosby Show. " .
    --Corey
    ___

    I don't know...IMHO, MLRO is probably more like this wife, as described by Bill Cosby. 8D

    http://www.videosift.com/video/Bill-Cosby-Chocolate-Cakefor-Breakfast

    ROTFLMAO @ one of my fav BC routines!!!

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:29 AM

  21. An excelllent idea, Fry. My son has been in Washington for four years now, so I should be used to not having a handyman, uh, handy -- but I'm not.

    A funny political aside....his PhD work at Vandy was primarily for DARPA, working on minature flying spy robots. So when he ran in the Democratic primary for the US congress in 2004, one of his opponents put out the rumor that he was an arms dealer.....we cracked up.

    Posted by: Patsi | February 21, 2008 8:32 AM

  22. Renee-

    Linda Richman:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztCU7kunDKs

    Craig- great video, though arguably there has been some negative ads from the Clinton campaign- the NH anti choice mailer and the SC radio ads

    Posted by: Kathy | February 21, 2008 8:35 AM

  23. Mama's Don't Let Your babies grow up to be Doctors..

    Posted by: Bowmanc | February 21, 2008 8:39 AM

  24. GOP lobbyist had no work permit
    Lance Williams,Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Staff Writers

    Thursday, February 21, 2008

    A former California Republican Party official who resigned last year in a controversy over his immigration status had no valid visa or work permit during his high-profile career as a Washington lobbyist for conservative icon Grover Norquist, newly filed court records show.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/21/MNQBV5RJR.DTL&tsp=1

    grover- grover -grover isn't there a fine involved for hiring illegals.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 21, 2008 8:49 AM

  25. LOL @ the SNL skit!!

    I am anxiously awaiting the return of SNL...LIVE!!!

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:49 AM

  26. Good Morning Craig,
    I caught you last night on Dan, and your words were excellent, you hit a home run when you said that one of the reasons for the superdelegates was the open primary states. Here is what happened on Tuesday in Wisconsin.

    The vote for the 2004 election in Calumet County was 58% for Bush and 40.7% for Kerry. This primary it was 68% democrat, and 31.9% Republican. Calumet County has usually gone republican in the past elections.

    The total vote for Democratic Wisconsin was about 1,098,764 people, (Exit poll 1440), and Rep.402,577 ; total 1,501,341……….D-73.2% to R-26.8%

    The state totals for the 2004 primary was Bush 1,477,122, and Kerry 1,488,935 total of 2,966,057 votes. 50.1% democrat, and 49.8% republican.

    So either a lot of republicans voted for democrats this year, or the Democratic Party is getting a whole lot of new people.

    The exit polls are interesting. I spent some time this morning looking at them and I see a pattern of people with no religion voting against Hillary. And in the Wisconsin exit poll 72% of the 1440 people who voted for BO were republicans.

    These exit polls are played on so heavily with the MSM and some of the pundits. Do you know if they have compiled all of the exit polls together somewhere? I couldn’t find one.

    Posted by: Linda~in~Wisconsin | February 21, 2008 8:49 AM

  27. There's an interesting Karl Rove oped piece in this morning's Journal detailing Mr Obama's vulnerabilities:
    http://tinyurl.com/3275gq

    No matter how many of us think of Rove and his 'contributions' to American politics, we ignore his insights at our own peril.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:52 AM

  28. Ahh yes! Chocolate cake for breakfast! Ha!

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:57 AM

  29. Rove is a good rapper as well! MC Rove! 4 ever!

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:58 AM

  30. Kathy..... LOL!....
    but I still can't remember the name...... Crap!..... won't somebody help me.....

    and I don't care what anyone says...... I'd bet a million dollars that the GOP is breathing a sigh of relief that McCain at least had sex with a girl......

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee | February 21, 2008 9:07 AM

  31. RRenee

    As Kathy wrote...the name is Linda Richman. 8)

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:13 AM

  32. "Karl Rove oped piece in this morning's Journal detailing Mr Obama's vulnerabilities:"

    thanks for the link, very interesting....

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 21, 2008 9:22 AM

  33. Lush.....
    maybe she wasn't played by Mike Myers..... I'm not really up on this celebrity stuff.....

    it was Dame somethingorother...... she wore cat eye glittery glasses and usually wore a spangled blue dress.....

    oh well..... it'll come to me when I least expect it..... it always does....

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee | February 21, 2008 9:23 AM

  34. from what I have read Linda Richman is a character that is based on his wife's mother.

    yo soy Horsedooty!

    Posted by: Horsedooty! | February 21, 2008 9:25 AM

  35. Dame Edna?

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:25 AM

  36. there is an actor from Australia that does do a Dame somebody but that is not Mike Myers/

    yo soy Horsedooty!

    Posted by: Horsedooty! | February 21, 2008 9:26 AM

  37. Corey....

    that's it!

    thanks..... you are a doll.....

    ok.... now you can all go back to your regularly scheduled fighting....... :0}

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee | February 21, 2008 9:28 AM

  38. corey,

    you beat me to it it has to be her.

    yo soy Horsedooty!

    Posted by: Horsedooty! | February 21, 2008 9:28 AM

  39. Are we gonna argue about who's hotter? McCain's wife or Dame Edna?

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:28 AM

  40. RRenee

    http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/coffeetalk/

    This is the character, right? 8)

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:29 AM

  41. Oh yeah...maybe Corey is right...Dame Edna 8)

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:31 AM

  42. I know my hot women , Linda! LOL!

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:34 AM

  43. I never had a chance to see the FABULOUS MOOLAH, but I clearly remember having a mad crush on Bruno Sammartino(ahhhh...be still my heart).

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:38 AM

  44. LOL @ hot women!!

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:39 AM

  45. Wow...finally tons of Craig. I did get to watch the Abrams segment...you were so funny, Craig. (and I also saw Tucker...where is he sequestered these days? And his hair was so strange...like a turban or something). And your video is great, too.

    I think Hillary needs to practice some Shamuing. If the men see her manipulation, it won't work.

    I did get to see the eclipse last night...veiled through the clouds. And more winds last night...may mean some severe storms east of here later this week.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:50 AM

  46. mornin' all. A chilly 8 degrees here after a crappy snow yesterday, and more to come tonight.

    Craig, I think your prior post - lose pretty or win ugly pretty much sums it up for Hillary, although I think she certainly still has the capacity to lose ugly. The MSNBC crawl had Bill saying that if she won TX & OH whe would be the nominee - wonder where they got that? All I know is that it came after duplicate crawl entries proclaiming Obama's "landslide" victories in WI &HI. I guess they wanted to make sure we knew that.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:58 AM

  47. Corey, what was this about lesbian sex in the chatroom? I missed it too, of course I've been pretty sick. Now how about gay sex?

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:58 AM

  48. One by one people started quitting the group because of this one person. Eventually , this person was *kicked out* of the group. Soon after , all the people who had left because of him returned and many new members joined the group.

    Corey,

    I haven't been here very long, but from the stories I've heard and some of the reactions I've seen, I think this blog has had its share of being bothered by "one person" or maybe two... or maybe three. Anyway, we all could try to be nicer, though for at least one this does seem an impossibility. Pity!

    And Corey, I love what you write. You are clever and witty.

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:02 AM

  49. I'll be back... off to the doctor.

    Cheers,

    ET

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:04 AM

  50. Craig, I thought your explanation to Dan about Super Delegates last night was wonderful. Really concise eventhough he looked like he didn't appreciate the information. Your explanation was right on especially in light of the information LinW provided.

    I wish I could stay on blog all day...more fun today instead of bumping political heads. I have jury duty again. In the 'old days,' you could at least bring a book to jury duty. But, no more reading material allowed. So, I get to stare at the Great Seal of the state of New Mexico --

    http://www.newmexico.org/go/loc/department/page/dept-symbols.html

    Horsedoody...there is actually a prickly pear cactus on it!

    Yep, Hillary needs some more moolah...$$$. But, I am looking forward to the debates.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:09 AM

  51. I had said i would vote for McCain if BO was our nominee.After further consideration,I have decided to write in for Hillary and would urge other HRC supporters to do the same

    Posted by: Ruth | February 21, 2008 10:15 AM

  52. I have to chuckle about the McCain-Iseman article. I don't see much there, but having Bob Bennett blanket the airways is an interesting way to damp down the furor. Seems to me he's extending it into another news cycle. I gues it's from the no publicity is bad publicity school of thought.

    So anyone planning to watch the debate tonight? No, I didn't think so.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:16 AM

  53. To Craig & Linda in Wisconsin (@8:49 am)

    I too thought that Craig's comments last night were intriguing. (although not enough time was given to complete the opinion)

    Craig it sounded as if you juxtaposed 2 issues confronting the Democratic Party--who can win in November & superdelegates possible selection being based upon not just democratic votes, but independents & republicans--open primary/caucus states.

    The looming superdelegate dilemma leads me to wonder this: Should the Democratic Party select
    the Democratic presidential nominee by all the votes each candidate amasses & corresponding delegate allotment (which in some instances includes ind & rep) or should the Democratic Party be selecting their nominee based solely upon Democratic votes?

    Linda, I believe you posted a link to a study that extrapolated the actual votes by democratic voters to each candidate using the exit poll information & as you pointed out, based upon that study, more Democrats actually voted for Hillary than Obama (at least to the date of that study).

    For the record, I believe in a closed primary, if you choose to register in a party, that provides you with the
    privilege to select that party's candidates.


    Posted by: Coreen | February 21, 2008 10:18 AM

  54. Ruth, while it's tempting, I won't do that. I really really really don't want to look back and think I did anything at all to help John McCain become our next president.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:19 AM

  55. Morning pees.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:21 AM

  56. Coreen, good point. I consistently have argued that the best nominating system is a one person, one vote, secret ballot, closed primary system with direct apportionment of delegates, all pledged, to the candidates based upon their vote percentage, and no superdelegates. Kind of makes for a oring convention, though. Oh well, there's always the booze and funny hats.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:24 AM

  57. Brian, becoming more economical with your letters? :)

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:25 AM

  58. that would be "boring convention" btw.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:26 AM

  59. Sweet Jesus...it must be a slow news day!! Three hours later, I turn on the TV and they are still talking about John McCain.

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:28 AM

  60. why watch the debate tonight?? the media will show pro obama clips over and over so it will look like hes a genius and perfect person........unless there a "i knew jfk "moment hillary dosnt have a chance.......the media is now working on destroying McCain so obama can waltz into the white house .....they will destroy everyone and everything that gets in the way of obama's coronation

    Posted by: zumper | February 21, 2008 10:28 AM

  61. Somewhere... Charles Keating is saying "attaboy".

    Pogo? What do you F-E-see getting squirting out of this other really ugly Spicy John McCain Mustard bottle?

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/todays_must_read_281.php

    Posted by: 9/11 survivor (sort of) Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:31 AM

  62. Gail Collins' hilarious piece about us shooting down owr malfunctioned spy satellite.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/opinion/21collins.html?hp

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:32 AM

  63. *tosses pogo a p*

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:35 AM

  64. 9/11, sounds to me like Johnny Mac will be able to do anything he wants since the FEC has only 2 commissioners, and isn't likely to get a 3rd & 4th. It would be a great line of attack on his integrity by Obama (making an assumption here) if only Obama agreed to live up to his earlier pledge to use public financing. I know, he conditioned his use of the system on his opponent's agreement to do so as well, and both he and Obama were too clever by a half when both said the same thing and now both are reneging, blaming the other. It would make a great SNL skit for political junkies. But back to your question - it could be very interesting and could result in a suit by the FEC, assuming that the 2 commisioners have the power to initiate one (and I don't believe they do), against McCain seeking to prevent his use of privately raised funds in the runup to the general election if I understand the facts underlying this correctly. By using the promised public financing funds as collateral, he may very well have limited himself. Of course if the Dem nomination fight continues to the convention, it might not be such a devastating blow to McCain after all. I'll need to look into this a little deeper and wee which end appears to be up.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:49 AM

  65. Brian, thanks, I needed that. Don't be so stingy.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:50 AM

  66. MCBush should have the Plunger lead his attack on the NYTimes

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 21, 2008 10:51 AM

  67. daryl, interesting link, but I've seen Michelle, and it's pretty apparent to me that Barack hasn't imposed Muslim dress on her.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:57 AM

  68. Pogo,

    one of the inconsistencies that sorta bothers me about the "shooting the satellite outta the sky" story is that I seem to remember that objects coming back down to earth would burn up on re-entry. Wasn't that the reason for all the tiles on the bottom of the Space Shuttles? Wasn't that why they got so freaked out when some were knocked off on blast off? Maybe this was just a test of the stars wars project. I hate like hell to agree with Glen Beck but the more I think of this with my little pea brain the more it sounds like we are sending a signal to someone.

    yo soy Horsedooty!

    Posted by: Horsedooty! | February 21, 2008 10:58 AM

  69. What about this part of the link.

    Would Obama put African tribal or family interests ahead of U.S. interests?

    I agree It's a valid question, and one voters deserve to have debated regardless of the racial and religious sensitivities. TThe media needs to start bringing these issues up.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:02 AM

  70. Coreen,
    Craig's comment made the most sense of this mess than I have heard or read so far. Although, I felt bad about Hillary not winning in WI, the numbers made me feel better. As did the guy who couldn't name one thing that the other guy has accomplished.

    I don't think that we can close the primaries because people do change their minds. But get rid of those caucus states; as the state of Washington has just proven, they are not accurate. I have heard things about them in Hawaii also.

    What is bothering me is all the talk, almost nightly, that there will be riots if Hillary gets elected. Now that is just sick. A part of me feels that this country is going backward. In the end, there will be more sexism and racism than ever before.

    Posted by: Linda~in~Wisconsin | February 21, 2008 11:05 AM

  71. Let's see what the candidates do withthe latest, very gloomy, economic reports.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2008-02-21-jobless_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:06 AM

  72. You know Hannity and crew will be jumping on this real soon. So far he is on the Time for Change bandwagon but watch out it's right around the corner.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:07 AM

  73. Thank you, Pogo.

    Posted by: 9/11 survivor (sort of) Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:07 AM

  74. daryl,

    this sounds very much like when JFK (Catholic) was running for the presidency. There had not been a Catholic to run for the high office before him. Suddenly, there were questions about JFK taking direction about the country's business from the Pope. It did not happen and I would think it will not happen in this case either. Sounds like you are just looking for mud to sling.

    yo soy Horsedooty!

    Posted by: Horsedooty! | February 21, 2008 11:08 AM

  75. Just listen to the first hr of Hannity radio's show and all he does is bash Hillary and Obama. He unloaded on McCain because he wanted Mitt to win but since that did not work, and since Hillary is going down the tubes he is starting on Obama. Will be interesting what he does with the McCain NY Times thing today.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:09 AM

  76. vada you've now posted 3 times about this church bullshit, I'm sure we all read it the first time and I'm sure everyone with any sense of morality got a little queasy reading it. vada posts like those just make you look stupid and desperate.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:10 AM

  77. hd, there is merit to both your positions about sending a message and your hating to agree with Glen Beck.:-{) But yeah, I beleie something has to have a lot of mass to survie the atmosphere, but I also seem to recall that some debris from Challenger made it to earth and was spread out over the southwest.

    Daryl, I'm not an Obama supporter, but I really don't see that being a problem, but yes, the media should bring this stuff up. Write Wolf - maybe he will.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:12 AM

  78. Pogo

    I wholeheartedly agree that it should be one vote per person allocated proportionally to the various candidates. But being a true cynic, I believe that each Party designs its rules to ensure the Party hierarchy maintains its control of the process to its advantage.

    The current contest throws everything out of balance & I truly do not know how this will be resolved--someone's base is going to be very, very unhappy.

    And as said previously--this was supposed to be an election the Democrats could not lose!!!!

    Posted by: Coreen | February 21, 2008 11:13 AM

  79. I am not throwing around mud, have you heard Hannity, that's mud. He is looking for all the dirt he can get on BO. What Hillary's thrown at him is nothing compared to what he and his cronies are going to dish out.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:13 AM

  80. No, 9/11, thank you. That's an interesting story that I probably would have missed.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:14 AM

  81. Pogo, in my past lifetime I was in the intelligence operations and exploitation business. Here's my take:
    --We want the Chinese, Russians, and any other major power to have their own intelligence gathering satellites. The reason why is that it reduces uncertainty as to other peoples' intentions, which can have a calming effect during periods of heightened tensions.
    --We want other people's satellites to be less capable than our own.
    --We want other people to be uncertain as to the ultimate capability of our satellites. In this case, uncertainty results in caution on the part of potential adversaries.
    --Having other people know for certain how capable our satellites are is not in our national interest. We have spent billions upon billions of dollars developing our spy satellite capabilities. Expending $50-M is nothing compared with the potential cost of a compromise in the state of our capability.
    --Having potential adversaries say, "Wow, they really can shoot something down!" is good.
    --The talk about saving the world from the threat of a hydrazine fueled satellite is just a red herring.
    --It would be a foolish act, indeed, for any country to shoot down another's intelligence gathering satellite. It would undoubtedly be seen as a most grave precursor to a general war. Undoubtedly immediate, disproportionately strong reactions would ensue.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:14 AM

  82. oh the big bad boogie man Hannity, run and hide, run and hide.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:15 AM

  83. va, here's my Hannity prediction - and I'll listen so you guys don't have to - he will say it's nothing.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:16 AM

  84. Let's see I sent the original link, then I gave a little opinion on it, then I talked about Hannity and crew may also bring these issues up, what is stupid about that.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:16 AM

  85. Flatus, sounds like you are saying about the same thing as HD, it was to send a message. Wouldn't surprise me. If it was just an opportunity to test the missle defense system, it wouldn't likely have been made as public as it was, particularly considering the very public failed tests of the past..

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:20 AM

  86. Cause all you're looking to is spread mud. Why don't you go out and find some smear bullshit stories about Hillary and post the links here so we can discuss those too. I'm sure for every negative crock of shit story you can find on Obama there are just as many lurking out there on Hillary.

    If this is the type of politics you want to play why don't you just join the GOP, there numbers are shrinking and I'm sure they welcome you and your slime slinging ways with open arms.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:21 AM

  87. "Cause all you're looking to is spread mud. Why don't you go out and find some smear bullshit stories about Hillary "

    You already do that.

    Posted by: No Duplicates | February 21, 2008 11:23 AM

  88. I've seen Michelle, and it's pretty apparent to me that Barack hasn't imposed Muslim dress on her.
    --pogo
    __

    I know dozens of Muslims, who do not dress in their traditional garb, while in the U.S.. It is not required, but more of a personal choice for them.

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:24 AM

  89. Take it easy, take a chill pill.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:24 AM

  90. Patsi,

    You have my sympathy. This is my son's 45th birthday which means it is only two weeks until mine. Where does he get off becoming middle aged when I haven't been at all ravaged by time?

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 11:28 AM

  91. Here's my question on the satellite story.
    If the problem was that it was indestrucible why don't they built the shuttles out of the same material?

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 21, 2008 11:28 AM

  92. I don't need to chill, and I don't need to take it easy. You've done this repeatedly and I think it's disgusting. The way to deal with your candidate losing is not by posting lies and slimes. It's just turning more people off than it is helping.

    And daryl I just don't cotton to bigots and racists, and since that's what the piece is all about and since you think it post worthy I have no choice but to assume that you are a bigot and racist.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:31 AM

  93. They said the same thing about planes , KGC. Why not build the plane out of the same thing they use to make the little black boxes? Now...off to meet my sister for lunch.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:31 AM

  94. Craig,

    Just by virtue of the graphics in your video clip and on the strength of you Fabulous Moolah reference, I hereby wish to start a draft Craig Crawford campaign for President.

    I will even go so far as to write your name in on the Texas primary ballot. I know you want want to pick a primary for me to do it in, but I will do so nonetheless...

    This campaign will replace the Bloom County "Don't Blame Me, I voted for Bill and Opus" as my fondest election memory ever!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by: Bear Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:32 AM

  95. CRAIG FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!

    Posted by: Bear Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:33 AM

  96. Corey

    Yeah what's up with that LOL
    Have a wonderful lunch.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 21, 2008 11:33 AM

  97. Hi daryl,

    I misunderstood your post. For that I am sorry. But don' t you have any other channels you can listen to other than the rightwingnut fool Hannity? God, what a waste of time and air.

    pogo,

    the Columbia was already in earth orbit I believe when it started to break up. We had a lot of the debris over in East Texas.

    yo soy Horsedooty!

    Posted by: Horsedooty! | February 21, 2008 11:34 AM

  98. 9/11, there are a couple sites out there - campaignmoney.org and publicampaign.org that have stories on the public financing pledges by McCain and Obama, but neither goes into the detail of the TPM link you posted.

    how yo doing, btw?

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:35 AM

  99. I'm sorry you feel that way. I agree that it does not look good for Hillary. If she loses Texas it's all over. I would love to know more about Obama, please tell me all about him.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:36 AM

  100. Just do a google search media+obama+cult and you will see that the kool-aid is wearing off.

    If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it must be a DUCK!!

    Posted by: Linda~in~Wisconsin | February 21, 2008 11:37 AM

  101. I'm not your research assistant, the web is full facts about Obama.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:37 AM

  102. Lush I love that Cosby routine. To this day quotes of "have you ever seen a conniption?" and "Let the beatings begin" are heard around the house.

    The other favorite is the one from the comedian in "All That Jazz" about bargaining with death, "Take my mother, she's old I'm Weaned".

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 11:38 AM

  103. hd, so was the spy satellite - Columbia (not Challenger - duh) just had a controlled orbit decay (retro rockets and all that jazz). Whole damn thins sounds strange to me.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:38 AM

  104. Heard on the Campaign trail....


    "F you my friend....surge is working...blah blah blah, surge is working...blah blah blah...no son, I don't take Viagra..."

    "blah blah blah...9/11, Democrats are pussies...blah blah blah...9/11, 9/11...blah blah blah...I really like my tan..."

    "yada yada yada, hope, change, blah blah blah, change, hope, blah, blah, blah, change, yes we can, hope, blah blah, where are we playin hoops later?"

    "blah, blah, blah, solutions, blah blah, experience, blah blah, experienced solutions, blah blah, where did everybody go?"

    I'm not sure I can take 9 more months of the same speeches over and over...candidates should be forced to use mad libs to create their stump speeches...

    Posted by: Bear Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:38 AM

  105. Lush - that was one ot the things the article talked about, but I think it was referring to the guy that Obama's brother follows. I was just saying I don't see anything there, but in a kind of indirect, humorous (or so I thought) way.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:41 AM

  106. Dooty,

    Columbia broke apart during reentry from space. You are right that it started over Eastern Arizona and continued to break apart over Texas.

    The crash was caused by a structural failure of the orbiter. Upon reentry, due do missing heat tiles, the sub structure of the wing was heated to an extreme temperature which caused it to break apart.

    Posted by: Bear Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:41 AM

  107. Linda with supporters like you no wonder Hillary is getting her clock cleaned.

    Why in god's name anyone would bother doing a such search is beyond me!

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:42 AM

  108. Your right it is a waste of time to listen to him, I don't have XM, and he is the only one on that is talking about the election at that time. I just can't believe all the crap he is dishing out and getting away with it.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:43 AM

  109. bear, let me rcommend TDC,TWC, HGTV, ESPN and any other media outlets that don't talk politics.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:46 AM

  110. Craig - OMG - ROFLMAO

    I wish you'd do a VLOG everyday.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:49 AM

  111. The web is full of crap about Obama too.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:51 AM

  112. send me a link of good info on Obama. it's that to much to ask.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:52 AM

  113. Lush, do whatever you want - Brian couldn't keep the good ship John Edwards afloat and is now pretty arrogant about the good ship Obama since it plucked him out of the water and seems like it's going to stay afloat. And you may have noticed that he doesn't mind personal attacks against Hillary supporters. Best to ignore, but do what you want.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:53 AM

  114. daryl,

    find a station that plays music you like and listen to that. Your blood pressure will be better for it. Radio is the domain of the extreme right and there is no reason for me to listen to it.

    yo soy Horsedooty!

    Posted by: Horsedooty! | February 21, 2008 11:56 AM

  115. Pogo,

    I am on top of those already...I am hurt you didn't include the Food Network though...lol

    Posted by: Bear Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:56 AM

  116. Are we sure the GOP is not rigging this election?
    http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

    Posted by: Linda~in~Wisconsin | February 21, 2008 11:57 AM

  117. CRAIG, LOVE YOUR VIDEO...HOPEFULLY, tonights debate HILLARY can have a TAKE DOWN!!!

    Posted by: Tan | February 21, 2008 11:57 AM

  118. A little advice for Hillary and Barack in advance of tonight's debate.

    http://www.236.com/blog/w/jonathan_solomon/debating_for_dummies_3534.php

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:58 AM

  119. Your right, no need to get the blood pressure up over someone on the radio. I just hope he does not do anything to hurt Obama or anybody else.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:59 AM

  120. Lush

    " Three hours later, I turn on the TV and they are still talking about John McCain"

    They had to get off the Hillary coverage because it was becoming too obvious that they had been bought and sold to the Obama opposition. Then the Michelle quote blew up and they actually did unfair coverage of that, then this NY Times article comes up.

    Slide into home safe - we can now avoid Clinton without saying anything mean about Obama while turning on both a newspaper and a Republican ... what fun. No Facts combined with hours of filler.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 11:59 AM

  121. Lush, do whatever you want ...
    --pogo

    What does your post mean?

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:59 AM

  122. pogo if you can find one post of mine that is a slime attack against Hillary I'll eat pile of dirty underwear. Certainly I've made some cracks about her and bill, but there is nothing about anything I've posted that could be in anyway be considered liable. Seriously pogo I defy you to find one post of mine that could in anyway be considered a slime attack.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 11:59 AM

  123. Bear,

    One of my favs is Everyday Italian with that babe Giada De Laurentiis as the host.

    yo soy Horsedooty!

    Posted by: Horsedooty! | February 21, 2008 12:00 PM

  124. Damn, bear, I'm sorry - it is one I watch - I particularly like Emeril Live and Iron Chef America, and catch Bobby Flay's Throwdown when it's BBQ or sandwiches.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:01 PM

  125. Linda - it means ignore Brian's attack on you.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:02 PM

  126. Linda - it means ignore Brian's attack on you.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:03 PM

  127. Dooty,

    You going to vote in the caucus part in Fort Worth?

    Posted by: Bear Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:04 PM

  128. Jamie

    "Slide into home safe" is exactly right 8)

    And I sooooooo love the Bill Cosby clip...even my nieces(ages 12 and 9)think it is hysterically funny...it's a classic!!!

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:04 PM

  129. Never said you did, brian - I said you made a personal attack on Linda.

    "Linda with supporters like you no wonder Hillary is getting her clock cleaned."

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:05 PM

  130. "I have decided to write in for Hillary and would urge other HRC supporters to do the same"

    I know others will cry about this - but this is on the table for me as well. I have several options I'm considering but this is definitely among them. This morning I also thought of writing in Minnie Mouse (since Micky is the one always getting the write in votes...thought it was time for Minnie to get a few).

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:06 PM

  131. Nuttin' wrong with that, HD,and Giada is indeed a babe.

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:06 PM

  132. I am gonna have to vote early because I may be out of town on March 4. I will caucus if I am in town but I need more info on the whole caucus thing. Are you?

    yo soy Horsedooty!

    Posted by: Horsedooty! | February 21, 2008 12:08 PM

  133. "but I also seem to recall that some debris from Challenger made it to earth and was spread out over the southwest."

    One of the sick jokes following the Challenger disaster was,

    Q: Where did the Challenger crew go for vacation?

    A: All over Florida.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 12:08 PM

  134. I don't think Brian attacked me(damn...now I have to scroll back and actually read his posts...grrrrrr)...maybe it was the other Linda 8)

    I am the sweetest person on the planet, who would ever want to attack me???

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:08 PM

  135. pogo drop me an email, I can't find your address, bgarens at gmail.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:10 PM

  136. no one would want to attack you.

    Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:11 PM

  137. Pogo wrote:

    "Let's see what the candidates do withthe latest, very gloomy, economic reports."

    Hillary will try to discuss them and talk about what needs to be done to address the issue.

    Barack won't

    It won't matter.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:12 PM

  138. pogo people who trade in slime deserve to be attacked.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:15 PM

  139. Vadaryl: Obama campaign website is my.barackobama.com

    I like andrewsullivan.com a lot -- Andrew is a centrist/conservative who endorsed John Kerry in 2004 (he realized early on what a disaster GW Bush was). He admires Obama and McCain this season.

    Andrew has put up a lot of good posts on why Obama would be an excellent president, for conservatives as well.

    The major dailies all have archives of articles on all the candidates.

    ========

    Linda in Wisconsin: who suggested googling the candidate's name + cult.

    There is something wrong with you.

    Posted by: dog's eye view Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:15 PM

  140. Horsedooty wrote:

    "this sounds very much like when JFK (Catholic) was running for the presidency."

    I agree - the catholic thing was a joke. There are other comparisons to JFKs term in office and a possible Obama term in office - sans the dreamy remembrance of Camelot - that could be made that points to what happens when we vote for the good looking, young guy who speaks well but not be the right person for the job.

    It's been brought up here before so I won't rehash it. Those I know who were actually adults and around during that time have a less starkly eyed remembrance of that presidency.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:17 PM

  141. There is something wrong with you.

    Posted by: dog's eye view

    Posted by: The Civility Police at Work | February 21, 2008 12:19 PM

  142. "I hereby wish to start a draft Craig Crawford campaign for President."

    Bear - if they can do it for Lou Dobbs, we can do it for Craig. Now here is a candidate we all might be able to agree on.

    I'm with you Bear!

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:22 PM

  143. Bear wrote:

    "candidates should be forced to use mad libs to create their stump speeches..."

    ROFLMAO

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:25 PM

  144. Will Bill Kristol resign from the NYTmes in protest over he McCain story?

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 21, 2008 12:25 PM

  145. Civility Police: I stand by my comment.

    PS: I find the changing screen nicknames funny, whoever is doing them. Very apropos.

    Posted by: dog's eye view Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:26 PM

  146. As far as Obama and religion are concerned, some responsible reporter should look at the Senator, his 20 year membership in the church, his relationship with the minister who has on many occasions said or done controversial things, and investigate any influence this may have had on his neighborhood work and what statements by his minister he supported.

    Those are legitimate questions and lines of investigation. What is wrong is to assume that just because someone goes to a particular church that they automatically believe every single thing done or said by the minister. Anyone who tries to turn the Senator into a mindless clone or accolyte is failing in their duty to provide accurate information to the voter.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 12:28 PM

  147. Sorry about the typos in my 12:17 post...oh well - I'm tired today for some reason.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:32 PM

  148. Wendy,

    I don't know if I qualify as an adult but I was 18 when JFK was killed in Dallas. I was enrolled at North Texas State University in Denton, Tx about 35 miles north of Dallas.

    my point to daryl was the obvious slime about his church and whom he may be beholding to. I am pretty sure that Barak Obama is a citizen of the US of A and that is whom he is beholding to.

    as to those who were adults when JFK was in office, if they are like my mom and dad, they would be HARD core Republicans and their remembrance of his administration would be anything short of glowing. So I don't take much from that observation.

    yo soy Horsedooty!

    Posted by: Horsedooty! | February 21, 2008 12:32 PM

  149. Bear....
    LOVE your 11:38 post.....

    I'm into nature...... watching a lot of Animal Planet lately...... and Comedy Central.....

    ok..... let me try this again....

    Obama mama oh mama
    banana fanana oh mana
    fi fie fo fama
    Obama.....

    Blonde wino..... we had a clear and spectacular view of the lunar eclipse here in NH..... but man was it cold outside!.....

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee | February 21, 2008 12:33 PM

  150. "One of my favs is Everyday Italian with that babe Giada De Laurentiis"

    Ha -- Doots....the first time my son saw Giada and her decollette, he laughed and said, "I guess Food Channel figured out a lot of guys are watching."

    My favorites are Paula Deen and Alton Brown.

    Posted by: Patsi | February 21, 2008 12:35 PM

  151. KcG

    Will Bill Kristol resign from the NYTmes in protest over he McCain story?

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 21, 2008 12:25 PM

    one can hope KcG one can hope

    yo soy Horsedooty!

    Posted by: Horsedooty! | February 21, 2008 12:35 PM

  152. For those who were asking about my blog yesterday, I finally got the article "Betrayal" up if you want to read it.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 12:36 PM

  153. Last night, I was watching an episode of "The Andy Griffith Show." Howard Sprague & Aunt Bee were both running for city council and there was a debate.

    Aunt Bee (Obama) was full of "give the people what they want" and empty rah-rah stuff. Howard (Hillary) was all about the dull, old facts. Eventually, even Aunt Bee (Obama) could see that Howard (Hillary) was the best person for the job. Oh, to live in Mayberry where things wrap up so nicely.

    Posted by: blueINdallas | February 21, 2008 12:37 PM

  154. OMG

    MSNBC is being so self righteous today ... real "Journalism" doesn't engage in innuendo. How can they even keep a straight face?

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 12:39 PM

  155. Patsi,

    I like Paula but I am not familiar with Alton Brown. I know what his program is but it is too geeky for me to watch for very long. I am sure he is a very good chef or he would not have a show.

    yo soy Horsedooty!

    Posted by: Horsedooty! | February 21, 2008 12:41 PM

  156. Senor Horsedooty

    Al the rightwing pundits are lining up to slam the Times. I think it would be the right thing to.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 21, 2008 12:42 PM

  157. that name game song??? Let's try it with Chuck! :))))

    Posted by: tylenol Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:42 PM

  158. You should be doing the game with Barack or Barry not Obama.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 12:44 PM

  159. Barack, Barack, bo-arack
    Banana-fana-fo-farack
    Fee-fi-mo-marack
    Barack!!
    ____

    Obama, Obama bo-bama
    Banana-fana-fo-fbama
    Fee-fi-mo-mbama
    Obama!! 8)

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:48 PM

  160. jamie - Great post on your blog. Did you send it to Abrams or anyone?

    Posted by: blueINdallas | February 21, 2008 12:49 PM

  161. I couldn't quite figure out what Chuck Todd meant by the Times piece being lined with silver for McCain.

    Also, why use the "breaking news" graphic for hours?

    I think MSNBC put too much emphasis on it and now they will look foolish backing away from the story without something else sizeable to take its place.

    I guess they're off the hook if there's a Britney debacle & they have to pull Rita Cosby out mothballs.

    Posted by: blueINdallas | February 21, 2008 12:55 PM

  162. Did someone say "cooking show"?

    Coolio has a cooking segment on My Damn Channel. Episode 2 is fork tender steak and ghettalian garlic bread (fusion food; ghetto Italian).

    http://www.mydamnchannel.com/Cookin_with_Coolio/Cookin_with_Coolio/2ForkSteakHeavenlyGhettalianGarlicBread_551.aspx

    Have to say, the steak recipe looks worth trying.

    Coolio has a college student in bondage on his show; a touch not seen on other programs dog has viewed. Student is jettisoned at episode's end with advice to "go to class, jackass."

    Good advice, if not delivered as eloquently as some might.

    Newsweek on Coolio's show:
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/111891

    Posted by: dog's eye view Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 12:57 PM

  163. Hillary, Hillary, bo-Billary
    Banana-fana-fo-fillary
    Fee-fi-mo-millary
    Hillary!

    Oops! bo-Billary. Don't blame me. It Shirley Ellis' fault ;)

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 1:00 PM

  164. Blue No I didn't. I lack a certain amount of faith that they actually read those things, though I might try Abrams.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 1:11 PM

  165. Bear -

    that article is spot-on.

    Posted by: econsmed Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 1:11 PM

  166. Somewhere... Charles Keating is saying "attaboy".


    Just to clarify, there is Charles Keating the scum, and Charles Keating the actor (who is a friend of mine) and played evil Carl Hutchins on NBC's Another World. His character was reformed by the love of Rachel Cory after her Mac died. It was very unrealistic, but anything to see those two work together was worth it for me...

    Now back to regularly scheduled "not suffering fools gladly"...

    Oh and I thought Obama was a SHIT for his lack of protocol in his victory speech. He has every right to be proud and make important points but sorry, that was below the belt and I don't believe this stuff that they didn't Hillary was on.

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 1:11 PM

  167. Chuck chunk, bo buck
    banana fana fo .....

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 1:13 PM

  168. The New Republics version of the Times/McCain dustup

    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=8b7675e4-36de-43f5-afdd-2a2cd2b96a24

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 21, 2008 1:13 PM

  169. blue, my take on Chuckles' comment was that it gives McCain a concrete opening to scream media bias against the Times. Now if only the Times hadn't endorsed his candidacy...

    Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 1:17 PM

  170. I just finished reading the Rove article posted earlier by someone. I really don’t like that guy, but I do believe he brings up some interesting points regarding Obama’s vulnerabilities.

    Moving into a general election when so far nearly half of the democratic primary voters didn’t vote for him (this number as Linda pointed out may be more since we don’t know how many of his open primary votes are genuine v. republicans or McCain indies trying to influence the democratic primary nominee), he clearly has a lot of people – half the democratic party it appears and perhaps some indies – to convince that he’s the right guy for the job.

    He’s going to have to convince me so I don’t write in Minnie Mouse for president. He’s going to have to convince MANY of my friends (hard core democrats unlike myself). He’s going to have to convince others on this list. He’s going to have to try and retain crossover and those indie votes that have no allegiance to any party. Questions like Rove brings up may sway them another way—as hard as that is for hard core Obama supporters to believe and even some of the hard core dems that will vote for any democratic nominee who has a pulse over a republican alternative. Obama is going to have to really start addressing some of the very vulnerabilities Rove outlines in his article.

    Rove may be a jerk – but he was a huge part of getting GWB—a proven failure—elected twice.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 1:18 PM

  171. Would Obama put African tribal or family interests ahead of U.S. interests?

    __________

    Sorry but this rings of stinging racism to me. And I am not one to through the "racism" charge around much. From what I know and understand Barack Obama is an American citizen. Has anyone seen anything done by Mr. Obama in the Senate that would suggest he puts "African tribal or family interests ahead of U.S. interests"?

    Look, I want Hillary to win! But this route is a recipe for disaster. And it just seems so patently unfair. If someone can find examples of Mr. Obama doing things that are contrary to American interests, and especially because of his African roots, I'd like to see the evidence. Going down this route is very dangerous and slippery.

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 1:20 PM