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Warren

" think all the more important for Barack to win "

What bothers me is that none of the Obama supporters can point to what he has DONE as some sort of hint for what he is likely to DO

Something as simple as attendance at his subcommittees. If he doesn't have time to do the work he is supposed to be doing now, why should we expect him to work harder as president?

I just wanted to jump in now because I have never done so so early in a thread. I will have to wait til Wednesday morning my time to find out results from the super Tuesday.

Good night.

On CNN now
Obama says he will have all troops out in 16 months, but will "reserve the right" to change if conditions change.

Clinton has said that she will start removing troops in 60 days, but cannot put a permanent time for full removal because she had to deal with circumstances as they arise.

He claims that this is a different plan than hers. HuH?

Wolf just did the "will you meet with enemies" Obama, once there has been preparation yes. Clinton says that she will meet with enemies once diplomatic channels have been opened.

He claims this is a differen plan than hers. HuH?

All he does is echo what she says she will do and then says his plan is different. HuH?

Blonde wino,
I saw a pic of your governor hosting his old boss for a superbowl party. I think he shoulda grown that beard when he was campaigning. Looks good on him. Clinton was wearing a suit and tie, and for some reason it always creeps me out to see men wearing a suit an tie while watching a sporting event.

Craig thanks for the puzzles, games and quizzes to keep the kids quiet in the backseat of the family truckster while driving on the campaign trail...

Jamie,
Since you're watching CNN please let us know if you submit something to Jack Cafferty's blog on which candidate would unite the Republican party.

Blonde..doesn't "creep me out" to see someone watching a sporting event in a suit and tie...I'm tired of seeing so many Americans looking like slobs at sporting and other events..recently attended a funeral where people were wearing, tanktops, shorts, etc..

dnd, I'll be hangin'.

OD, the dem delegate distribution was obviously designed by a committee. Looks like it came out of the same committee that designed the elephant. I have to say that I have been under the opinion lately that the Democratic party leadership has been working overtime to have the party reflect anything BUT democratic ideals.

Blondie, I like the looks of things in NY - Cal is getting a little too close for comfort - the good news - Obama may win Cal, but the delegate count between him and Hillary will be close there. Overall, I think Clinton will take 60% of the delegates up for grabs tomorrow. But I don't bet on football games for a good reason.

'nite, ET.

previous message should have been to dnd

dnd

When I met BR, I was surprised how tall he is. He also is a very funny man -- sort of reminded me of Buddy Hackett in conversation. (I have this problem identifying everyone I meet with a famous person...I used to love SPY magazine because they sort of did that with photos, separated at birth?, that sort of thing)

The beard changes the Buddy Hackett lookalike for me.

Okay I put in a Cafferty. I never know if they will use one, but if you hear Janet in Tacoma saying the far right hate machine will be out no matter who the Democratic candidate is and the rest of the party will be glad to turn it over to the Democrats and see if they can fix the mess left by Bush.

OD

I love a man in a suit and tie and every man should always be dressed appropriately for business time. Gotta have those socks.

OD, I used to go to the occasional Alabama football game with myuncle when I was a kid - aroudn 10 years old. I had to dress up - coat, tie, the whole shebang. By the time I hit college 8 years later, going to the same Alabama football games I wore t-shirts and jeans. The fratboys - at least the pledges - still wore ties to almost all games, and the rest of the fratboys wore suits to the homecoming game - try that in Alabama when it's 90 degrees. I have to agree some people take casual too far, but I always wondered why the hell I had to wear a tie to a football game.

OD,
"recently attended a funeral where people were wearing, tanktops, shorts, etc.."

In Oregon? That must've been chilly.

I think attire should be event appropriate.. Trust me, it's hard getting that nacho cheese sauce off you tie. Even if you use beer ;-)

There are so many polls. There is such a wide variance in them. I find realcleapolitics.com and pollster.com to be very helpful. If you watch them regularly over time, you realize which ones to pay attention to...

pogo,
"wore suits to the homecoming game - try that in Alabama when it's 90 degrees."

Did you see those girls wearing bikinis during the Packers/Giants game in Green Bay?

dnd, I did. That was fine with me. :-)

Blondewino....I am so glad to know that it was Bill Richardson who said that about the 20 foot fence! Much easier to say his name instead of "some guy on tv" !!!

Recently switched to Direct TV to have MSNBC..The decision was good because I like Direct TV, but MSNBC has evolved into a big disappointment.

Tucker Carlson..Why is he on television?
Chris Matthews..Needs a few months of rest
Keith O....10 minutes of decent programming out of 1 hour..also, please stop the Edward R. Murrow imitation and the obsession with Bil O'Reilly

".recently attended a funeral where people were wearing, tanktops, shorts, etc.."

Oregon -- I went to Dottie West's funeral here in Nashville some years back, and there were tourists in plaid shorts standing up in the pews taking pictures of the stars in attendance....amazin', just amazin' ....

Best of all, OR Dem, with DirecTV, you should get Imus on RFD-TV!

OD

Now you know why it is called BONBC.

Do you have HDtv? Matthews actually drools or spits or something like that when he starts getting excited when talking about BO. I just can't bear to watch anymore. Tucker makes me insane. When he was bow tied and on CNN, Hillary was so kind to bring him a "shoe" cake instead of a real shoe to eat....like most, he mistakes kindness for weakness.

One exception is Craig...adorable Craig. He always makes me smile and I forget I am watching BONBC.

Pogo...maybe the Bradley effect will manifest itself in Calif. This year is so exciting, I hope after Super, Duper FAT Tuesday, we can coin some new effects and affects. : )

I saw Hillary deliver the shoe cake..she was very gracious as usual.

I've always figured that Tucker must have pictures of somebody. That would be the only explanation for his being employed.

About IMUS..In past years I would listen to him..I have tried the RFD show..My conclusions about him include:
1. His good works (IMUS Ranch, etc.) don't justify insulting comments which he has made for many years..
2. He attacks people who are reluctant to appear on his program. (who can blame them)
3. Many of his regulars (Fineman, Kerry, LIeberman) were never "one of the boys" and feel better after appearing on what they think is cutting edge programming.
I gave Imus another chance last week and only watched for a few minutes as he made vulgar, insulting comments about President Clinton.

Hillary is in real trouble in Cal and this morning's national poll had it a 41-41% lock...we were told over a year ago we'd know both nominees after 2-5 and here we are...McCain set to wrap it up tomorrow and Clinton will add to her delegate lead, overall...but will it be over ?

Blond wino: to add to your comment, Tucker Carlson ruined Russert's cable show on Sunday.
Who the hell is he impressing at MSNBC to keep his job? I know NO ONE who can even barely tolerate him.

The winds are still incredible here...

Here the forecast for tomorrow for Super, Duper FAT Tuesday

http://xoap.weather.com/newscenter/specialtopics/election.html?from=wxcenter_news

OR Dem...I do have to agree with you that Imus' political comments can wear thin...and I'm a fan. Can't blame anyone for making the choice not to watch, however....

Dexter...glad you saw it...did he have dogs (I believe greyhounds) on his tie? I mean if he is into greyhound rescue that might salvage him. And I mean might.

Imus lost me a long time ago with his undying love of Joe Leiberman. Another Zell Miller and sometimes BO starts sounding like Leibermann.

"Who the hell is he impressing at MSNBC to keep his job? I know NO ONE who can even barely tolerate him."

I always figured he either was sitting on a major scandal or daddy was a huge stockholder. He isn't kept for anything resembling talent or intelligence.

I receiveda pop-up saying I had submitted too many messages in a short period of time..Have others experienced that. I usually just observe and don't post very many messages..

I couldn't tell if those were sheep, llamas, or poodles. Something white and fluffy.

Tucker's daddy is a high-powered Republican who was one of the main players in the Scooter Libby Defense Fund

Conspiracy Watch: Bill and Hill's Thrill Kill

http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2008/01/conspiracy-watch.html

Jamie:

I will tell you why I believe Obama will be a more effective candidate. To be frank - it is a question of style rather than substance. I do not accept the premise the Obama lacks substance. We can go round and round on this - and I stand on his 11 years as a legislator, the knowledge set forth in his books, and the fine campaign he has run, including going toe-to-toe with Clinton is the last debate - which according to most objective analysts was a tie.

The reason I place substance second - is because as most agree - there is not a stark contast when it comes to what Barack and Hillary want to get done. Moreover, all of the policy points that Hillary makes can easily be adopted by anyone who wins the presidency. It is not as if she has some type of patent.

So I the end of the day - my decision is based on who I think can make more progress on those initiatives - and I believe it is Obama. His style is about everyone coming together to tackle these problems. He realizes that the problems this country faces is not the sole responsibility of the Republicans - but it is also due to the partisan gridlock that obstructs progress.

Hillary comes of to many in the following light: "The Republicans have screwed this country up, and I need to come in and clean this country up." It can appear arrogant and dismissive to a large part of the country. I think Republican law makers will place road blocks in her way - even if they agree with her - in order to pander to a based that is hostile to her. I also think the debate on her policies will not focus on the real issues - but degenerate into catch phrases like "Hillary care" and "surrender."

Obama will of course not be immune to all of this - but I think his ability to wipe the slate clean and increase post-partisan efforts is a tangible difference that Hillary cannot replicate.

Hey Tucker, if you sneak on board the family truckster like Joe Scarborough...what sort of animal was on your tie?

Hi Folks,

I'm at work. Its Kobe Steak and Salad night wiht Rhubarb Compote and Vanilla Sorbet. Simple food.

I am not sure I can watch the returns tomorrow night. I will probably put a DVD in and then get up for the results. The stress is better that way.... ;0)

Later Gators!

Oh Warren, the repugs are going to put-up roadblocks for any dem nominee. It will not be any easier for BO. There will be armies of swift boaters as the repugs will not give-up the power easily. Just watch the smarmy Tom DeLay or Karl Rove.

Don't be naive. This will not be a lay down.

Tucker...are you sneaking in under "Warren?"

Oregon

If there are several people posting right at the time you are, it will sometimes bounce. Just go back and repost.

If you paste in links, do not put more than two links in any one post as that will cause the message to be held until checked. It's easier to just do two posts.

I do not think the Republicans will lay down but if you think Obama will face exactly the same amount of resistance as Clinton - then the debate is over.

Judging from what I see in the media and people I talk to - I have come to a different conclusion on this point. Indeed, Clinton supporters are always talking about how the media is so "easy" on him. Well, I do not think that is a coincidence - I think Obama gives people something else to talk about besides the normal cynicism and partisanship we have grown all too used to.

Much was made of the big turnout in SC

According to this from the SC secy of state --the turnout in the Democratic primary was between 20 and 34% That doesn't seem high to me

http://www.scvotes.org/secprod/DemocraticPPPVoterTurnout.htm

Am I reading the chart wrong?

Thank you Jamie..

OD

I can only think your pop-ups are the work of Tucker. Wasn't that the name of one of the love sick dudes in the movie..There's Something About Mary?

"Hillary comes of to many in the following light: "The Republicans have screwed this country up, and I need to come in and clean this country up." It can appear arrogant and dismissive to a large part of the country. I think Republican law makers will place road blocks in her way - even if they agree with her - in order to pander to a based that is hostile to her. "

Warren of course you will vote as your conscience decides, but it is the kind of thinking above that drives Clinton supporters right up a wall.

"Hillary comes off as" ... says who? This is the line of the right win hate machine.

Where it is important, in The Senate, she has a solid record of working across the aisle with Republican counterparts to come up with legislation that will pass. They all praise her ability to get in and negotiate and trade in order to reach a consensus that is acceptable to all.. pragmatic completion of jobs.

Warren

I don't think BO will face the same amount of resistance as HRC...he most likely will face more.

Again, (sheesh! this is uncanny!) Blond wino posted my thoughts...just wait until the Swift Boaters, 2008 model, kick in.

Sturgee posted that all McCain did was lose a multi-million dollar jet over Vietnam , spend years in prison camps, and become a senator and presidential candidate.
And lost in all the piousness a McCain candidacy will bring wil be the fact that McCain was part of a killing force that was dropping bombs over Vietnam resulting in contributing to the death toll of Vietnamese, civilians included.
No one will dare bring up this fact, and no one will mention that the returned POWs were called "Pig O Ws " by the radical left, here in the US.
Merchant of death McCain was, no doubt about it. Also, no doubt this will be turned into "Fighting for Liberty", Hero for Freedom...on and on.
And the same people who say McCain is a hero will tarnish the Dem with MADE-UP stories of drug-dealing, probable infidelity, lying, coercion, corruption...all kinds of twisted accusations. This is how they operate. I have seen it, you have seen it, we all know it's how repuggs roll. Be ready.

"talking about how the media is so "easy" on him. Well, I do not think that is a coincidence - I think Obama gives people something else to talk about besides the normal cynicism and partisanship we have grown all too used to."

ROFLMAO

I am not talking about Senators - I am talking about middle America. Don't lend you support blind you to the negatives that are a reality - justified or not.

I could use your same argument about George Bush. He received bi-partisan support for the war in Iraq. That does not mean that he is not a divisive and polarizing figure.

As an Obama supporter, I do my best to answer charges about his so-called lack of experience and substance. But anytime I raise this argument about Hillary being divisive - it is brushed aside because it resulted from the Republican attack machine.

Well unfortunately, those attacks worked on a lot of people . . . and I do not support Clinton as the nominee because I have not heard a good answer about how to deal with this perception.

Warren...let me check on line for a family discount for nose mittens. If you think this already stinks from fhe dem family feud, wait until you get a whiff of September when the repugs start in earnest.

I just hope Obama Girl doesn't get pregnant this summer!

"I think Obama gives people something else to talk about besides the normal cynicism and partisanship we have grown all too used to."

Are we talking about the same media that if it were any lazier at doing research and checking facts wouldn't be able to get out of bed in the morning?

When the media has ground Obama into dust maybe you will have figured out an answer

Brain in NYC...the one with the bigger breasts.

"I have not heard a good answer about how to deal with this perception."

Don't let it work. Be an individual. Fight back. Take responsibility for your own thoughts rather than just adopting the opinion of others.

Somehow Britney Spears spent $60,000,000 since last year.
She must be investing in al-Maliki's coalition government.

Blonde wino,
"the one with the bigger breasts."

Bill Richardson has dropped out of the race.

for Lardass Liberal and ol' C-Bob:

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL018276620080204

Dex,

That sounds like Bill Shaheen in NH warning what they would use against Obama, And that was called racist, and he had to walk the plank. Sad but true.

Here is a short video of the candidates...and Stevie Wonder dives into the Obama campaign, lock, stock, and ass-over-applecart:

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=75562&newsChannel=wtMostRead

"And that was called racist, and he had to walk the plank. Sad but true. "

No Republican will walk the plank for saying that.
In fact, they will probably get a raise.

dnd

Reminds me of Kramer and the "bro."

This will be uglier times ten than the Swift Boaters' attacks. Especially if Obama wins...and if the goddamn Swift Boat liars turned it around for Bush, imagine what the bastards will do to crucify Obama on the Rezko issue.
You gotta know they already have assholes on the South Side of Chicago lined up to tell how Obama was a major cocaine powder and crack dealer..all lies, but THAT IS how they roll...on lies.

KGC-
Thats probably based upon the increase from 2004 turnout. I think there was somewhere around 275K dem vote back then.

KJC,

My point exactly. And with the republicans, trying to complain about dirty tactics won't work either like it has in the democratic race (oops, sorry). It will just make them crank up the volume another notch, because they know that they can beat this guy.

On the other hand facing Hillary, the republican far right will be frothing at the mouth and going so bonkers that they might not be able to think up anything new about her that the public has not already been innoculated against.

She is the better candidate in the general. They know how to beat Obama, they aren't so sure about how they beat Hillary.

Dexter...wasn't Stevie Wonder sitting in the front rows at the debate? I mean the acoustics are good in the Kodak Theater....they could have put him in the Mezzanine level. Pure theater...placement, that is.

Before I read the comments I wanted to say something. When I was growing up I was told to never talk about religion or politics unless I knew what those with whom I was speaking had the same views.

To all who continue to say that Barack Obama's message is pie in the sky and clouds and other silly things because it lacks substance or facts I say this.

I think I have already made it pretty clear that I consider myself a Christian so let me ask you this.

If I were to follow your path of reasoning than I could have possibly not been a Christian. Why is that? Well for one thing I would want to see facts that Jesus was real and not someone made up by someone. After all to accept Jesus one would have to have faith that He truly exists.

After all He taught peace, hope and love. He inspired those who followed him to build His Church through His teachings. And like any other religion those who believe in their God does so based on faith and written work of those whom followed there own God.

Just because you reject what you feel is empty words does not make it so. Any more than an atheist who does not believe in a God and don't accept the Bible or other religious Tomes as proof that a God actually exists does.

If Jesus could inspire the people to believe in Him and build His Church than why is it so improbable that Barack Obama can not do the same thing and lead our country in a new direction with the people behind him helping to do it?

End of rant. Now I'll read the comments.

Take care and God Bless.

evening all..

I dont think it matters who the nominee is.. at least to swift boaters..they'll be out in force no matter... what dems need to do is keep all these 'new dems' no matter who wins..and for the love of God, DO NOT let them vote for McCain in November.. how can a self-respecting Dem even think about voting for McCain? NO economic plan, and MORE wars.. now THERE"s a platform everyone can get behind!

I don't know what Stevie Wonder sees in Obama!

LOL corey

This just in: Eli Manning is going to Disneyworld!

I'm thinking the independents are onto all the swiftboating crap. That dog ain't gonna hunt this time around. It may help bring out the base, which could be problematic for local elections, but that's about it.

A monochrome ad will appear of a shadowy figure with a lighter touching the end of a joint. Voice over "Fired up & Ready to Go. This ad paid for by swiftboaters gone wild.

AP

"If I were to follow your path of reasoning than I could have possibly not been a Christian. Why is that? Well for one thing I would want to see facts that Jesus was real and not someone made up by someone. After all to accept Jesus one would have to have faith that He truly exists."

You would have to have faith that all those actions took place based on what others told you he had done. You would have to believe their testimony of ACTIONS.

The two conditions don't equate. Obama is asking you to have faith that he will eventually get around to performing ACTIONS without anyone ever providing testimony that he had or would.

Dear a-p

You do sound so very sweet, but last time I checked the democratic boat we had Atheists, Jews, Muslims, Scientologists, Hindi, Christians, etc. aboard. That is what make us democrats...and the repugs laugh at us. Remember James Watt. He has several proteges still lurking about the repub party (Gale Norton),

I wonder what the repubs have done with Ralph Reed.. is he tied up somewhere?

Oh dear, I left out some big religions on the dem boat (Mormons, Amish, Mennonite,Budhist -- they are more than "etc.") but I hope you get the picture. Dems are al encompassing and Repugs are constricted.

And as Craig pointed out on our live blog during the last dem debate, HRC was the first to invoke the name of Jesus Christ.

ap and others

I think it wonderful when people have faith and respect their rights. But last I checked, we have a separation of church and state and faith while wonderful does not play a role in governing.

But it does say something for people to say they have faith in a politician and especially meaningful coming from you.

I certainly hope you faith is deserved.

wellll..someone had to.. dems have to demonstrate that they have faith too..just not the kind that tells other ppl what to do..

I wonder what the repubs have done with Ralph Reed.. is he tied up somewhere?

Posted by: tylenol

Just tune into to CNN and there he is. He looks the same so you know he has a nasty picture in a closet some place.

I think Reed is on CNN from time to time.

There are a whole series of "Swift Kids For Truth" videos on You Tube. They are classed as "parody, comedy etc and do all the candidates.

This is the one for Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhEPNOusKv4

This is the one for Clinton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OFOy29nNIo

Now these may be meant to be humorous. Can you imagine what the real Swift rats could do?

Nannies for Swift Kids For Truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj01xvL0QOI

John Edwards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj9bjRixkVc

I must say, i'm glad to see real live conservative repubs getting upset with both ends of their party (i.e. Eeevans on one end and mavericks on the other)... seems to me they've been hijacked by both sides for the past few election cycles.. must piss off the blue-suits something terrible! I don't mind an honest debate between blue-suits and blue-states, it's the wingnuts that make me crazy... Remember the good old days when Pat Buchanan used to scare the livin crap out of everyone every 4 years? Then the past few, the party -- yes, THE PARTY -- started talking like Pat used to.. now THAT's scary!

"has a nasty picture in a closet some place"

It's probably in his plastic surgeons office: Dr. Dorian Grey

he's a weasel

a-p

There is one Muslim congressman who did swear-in using the Koran and that is his right in America. And I am not offended by that in anyway. It is his America, too. And that is what America is! Our tolerance is what defines us and I don't care about BO's inspirational message as much as I care about the issues. Maybe some of us our so starved for inspiration that we have to look for it in other people instead of ourselves.

I really think it is about being an American not religion or lack of religion.

Tweety just called the voters "the little people", nice

Craig...are we almost there yet?

I think I will play with the tool box....

"If Jesus could inspire the people to believe in Him and build His Church than why is it so improbable that Barack Obama can not do the same thing and lead our country in a new direction with the people behind him helping to do it?"

ANON! Sweet Jesus! Lead me to the Promise Land! I heard a woman on c-span today say that when she heard Barack on televisin she clutched her bible to her chest and cried. Here's the deal anon....I am also a Christian and I say BULL.

funniest comment of the day awarded to Blonde wino

"Brain in NYC...the one with the bigger breasts."

now that made me laff out loud.

yo soy Horsedooty!

this must be mopey monday, the day before super tuesday........

http://www.sweetjesusihatechrismatthews.blogspot.com/

look at the entry for Jan 25th.. great writing

love that.. Tweety's weiner-little-brother Tucky.. lol

You know what the scariest moment of Dubya's presidency was for me? When he said he didnt consult his father before going into Iraq because he consulted "a higher power." I'm sorry.. but if ya hear voices tellin ya to go kill people in far off lands, you should be arrested, not cheered.

and just when did Tweety realize Iraq might not be a good idea? Certainly not before the invasion, and not during his 'package-envy' on that aircraft carrier.. he was the head cheerleader!

Tyl......christians always seem to use this nebulous "christ" business to justify killing people.....
funny, that.......

not just christians, struge... genocide's been around an awful long time... it's tribal... every religious tome contains horrible accounts of mass murder... every time I think we've evolved... I'm doing an Old Testament course right now.. I'm slogging my way through Judges and Lamentations.. holy moly! ppl have been killing each other for a long long time, and we don't seem to have learned anything from history...

My goodness...I think Craig brought all the warm weather, back from FL.

It is beautiful, here in NoVA. Tomorrow, it is supposed to be in the high 60's :)

How 'bout them G-MEN!! woohoo!!

If Jesus could inspire the people to believe in Him and build His Church

But Jesus didn't create a church only the movement. It took Paul to creat the Church. Without Paul there would be no christianity. For movements fade as the excitement wears off.

Jack

LOL bri..right on..

Today's tally (so far) of California-related Super Tuesday shenannigans:

2 automated phone calls from Hillary Clinton (dunno what she said because those things are highly irritating and I always hang up no matter who it is)

3 ads for Obama (on tee vee)

1 live-and-in-person phone call from an Obama-affiliated poll worker urging me to vote tomorrow (I am a permanent absentee voter)

2 Mike Huckabee ads (on tee vee)

1 ad for Hillary (on tee vee)

Countless ads (I lost track) either for or against the usual state propositions and so on

There were no political ads in my mail today, but I may have already won the Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes! I'll take you all out to dinner if I do...

Jack

and if it werent for the female disciples, we wouldnt even know about it... the men all ran away..

LOL julia!! dang i thought i'd already won it!

Tylenol, look at the entry for Jan 25th.. great writing

Thanks, a pleasure to read

:)

So the friendly skys of United now wants to charge $25 - $100 for the second checked bag, claiming the cost of jet fuel is forcing it to do this. Since only one in four passengers check more than one bag, the needle on dnd's bullshit detector is in the red. What United doesn't tell you is that they make a ton of money hauling mail, and your bags are taking up valuable space.

This is what happens when you have oligopolies and government tie ins to hub and spoke airports.

I won't fly United unless it's an emergency. They've ruined DIA and air travel.

Blondewino -- (Love your name, btw) On the previous thread you wrote:

"You have figured out why there are so many home schoolers out there."

What did you mean by this? If you meant that homeschoolers are typically X-tian conservatives who loathe the public schools, then please allow me to provide the following information.

As homeschoolers, my family has always supported Democrats and consider ourselves to be progressive. We work on campaigns as a family and enjoy the freedom that homeschooling allows so we are able to travel and work on progressive causes. We seem to have a lot of homeschooling friends who have a political philosophy similar to ours.

The statistics on homeschooling reflect that the majority do so to to provide their children with a better education, not for religious reasons. http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2006/homeschool/parentsreasons.asp

I strongly support public schools -- not because I'm a direct user of public education, but I am an indirect user, benefiting from living in a community with excellent public schools. I am not the only homeschooler in my community and state like this.

I applaud home schoolers. I think their children, if done right , get a far better education. ...and the h/s families I know are very liberal.

I know that this is really out to sea, but it's the damn christians who are screwing this country up......it's such a bunch of crap........the whole thing hinges upon resurrection, as i understand it......oh....and the premise that god somehow got mary pregnant..........
Why believe FAIRY TALES? was Santa good to you?

I understand the Easter Bunny wants you to find all the hidden eggs.....but is so tired from hiding them that youre on you own......

It's all parables, Sturge.. all of it.. and the concepts.. like resurrection.. are.. allegory.. resurrection is in hearts .. in the here and now..

it might be parables for some enlightened souls, but for many it's literal truth....grab a snake and prove your faith......

BONBC has Keith O now diving deep into the Obamapool. Jeez Loiuse -- he can't even bring himself to say anything nice about Hillary.

I took most of the day off to make calls for Hillary from home, organizing a house party for Super Tuesday, and gathering signatures for a Women for Hillary press release with a Hillary campaign conference call in two hours from now.

I'll be at the JJ Dinner in Richmond this weekend -- looking forward to hearing and seeing her -- and most likely BO will be there also. At least our VA primary will mean something this time.

obama''' first was jfk''' robert kennedy''' mlk'''' now jesus h christ '''' whats next'' god'' ?

fundamentalists.. of all persuasions.. are dangerous..

jamie and Blonde wino...

"The two conditions don't equate. Obama is asking you to have faith that he will eventually get around to performing ACTIONS without anyone ever providing testimony that he had or would."

At the time before Jesus was crucified there was not to much testimony that he did either. And those who did were not believed by the majority. Also one has to remember that the Bible was written by men and how they interpreted the teachings of Jesus.

"You do sound so very sweet, but last time I checked the democratic boat we had Atheists, Jews, Muslims, Scientologists, Hindi, Christians, etc. aboard. That is what make us democrats...and the repugs laugh at us. Remember James Watt. He has several proteges still lurking about the repub party (Gale Norton),

That's true Blonde wino and thats one of the Differences between the Democratic Party and the RFN's. By the same token those in power who have power never want to give it up. No matter what the citizens of their country want them to do and were elected to do.

And thank you for saying I sound sweet.

Take care and ...

God Bless.

kgc...

Thank you. Yes I do have faith that Barack Obama is the hope we have all been looking for to save our country and our soul.

And no I don't think that because I have faith in him that he will not keep the separation of Church and State as it is and should be unlike the RFN's who want to tear down the wall of separation.

I will vote for whomever the nominee is, however I believe with my all my heart and soul that Barack Obama is the person to move us forward and out of the darkness.

God Bless.

christianity

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

h20storm

back away from the meds.....

Blonde wino...
That is a lie. He was sworn in like all the rest of the Congress. He later had his picture taken with Pelosi were they both had their hands on a Koran.

Here is a portion by a fellow blogger linked on my site who just wrote about this.

"Is it true that Obama was sworn in using the Quran instead of the Bible? No he did not, nor did Congressman Keith Ellison, as is widely reported in Y!A. During the official swearing in ceremony for all Congressmen, they don't use the Bible or anything else, they just raise their right hands and repeat the oath as its dictated. Congressman Ellison, who is indeed a Muslim, later posed for a photo op wherein he and Nancy Pelosi put their hands on a Koran once owned by Thomas Jefferson, a slave-owner and sex partner of slave Sally Hemmings."

You can read the rest of his post here.

http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com/

Another thing is Barack sees us all as Americans.

God Bless.

Hillary National Town Hall

9 p.m. Eastern

Hallmark Channel or hillaryclinton.com

Divilicias

Back from dinner...I cannot find my original post as we moving pretty fast today...and we talked about Bill Bennett and I suppose it most likely was a religious reference to home schooling. Thanks for the report -- Figure 2 from 2003 listed the top reason (31 percent) homeschooled because of school environment and 30 percent for religious and moral reasons. http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2006/homeschool/FigureDisplay.asp?FigurePath=images/figure_2.gif

Many homeschoolers in my area vote Republican, but it is a big country. And I am sure there are many dems who homeschool.

I like your nik name, too. Gotta tell it like it is!

I haven't seen any Obama ads on tv today. Of course , I live in Michigan , so that might be the reason why.

Many years ago a nice jewish kid decided to leave his day gig and go out and talk to crowds of people about the foibles and hypocrisy of humankind.........he ran afoul of the authorities and was hounded to his ignominious death........Ladies and Gentlemen: Lenny Bruce

patsi...
And your point is?

If this is how she was inspired what's wrong with that. This is not about religion. I used Jesus as an example of a leader inspiring others to work for the good of all mankind, not just the few with wealth and power.

We all have are own thoughts and beliefs about the candidates running and we all are entitled to our opinions. If you or any others don't feel the hope that he speaks of then our country is indeed lost and I may as well resign myself to America The Fourth Reich which is what we have now.

I don't mock you choice and I find it offensive that not only are we belittling those who feel different in their choices, but are doing the same thing the RFN's do to their own.

We should not be putting anyones candidate down and I don't think I have really posted anything negative about Hillary except how I felt her campaign had turned into a campaign that you always see coming from the other side.

And I'm not the only one to think this. Anyway, I wish your candidate the best and we will all know come November {that is if we have elections}.

Take care and ...

God Bless.

whskyjack...

That's very true. However, if not for Jesus Peter would not have built the church.

God Bless.

there's a difference between religion and faith... one hopes we all have faith in something..even if it's in ourselves.. religion is the grouping of faith.. of common worship... I find comfort in thinking .. for thousands and thousands of years, people have lain on their backs, stared at the stars, and pondered their origins... and the basic tenets of all religions are simply the beginnings of civil law.. how to get along with each other.. it IS a good idea NOT to kill, not to steal your neighbour's wife or horse (notice it was all property anyway)... I think it's interesting that "they" included "honouring your father and mother".. cos.. it just says to me that children have always, ALWAYS rebelled.. :)

MSNBC

So Bill Bennett, (thegambler) has contributed $2,300
to John McCain. Now we know why he spent last election night pushing JM during his CNN "analysis".
He denied that night he supports anybody.
He needs to be FIRED by CNN.

8 minutes to Hillary on Hallmark Channel

anon -- you now have jumped the shark....BIG TIME.

Grap yer Bible and pray for America's salvation. To quote The Rainmaker: You must be stupid, stupid, stupid.

Divilicias,

while it may be in your area home schooling is also done by Dems, I personally have not ever met any. Good friend of mine and his wife home school their two children. I far as I can tell neither of the parents have ever read a book. That is what scares me. But their pastor says the school system is evil. My friends if they vote at all are very conservative. Go figger.

yo soy Horsedooty!

sturgeone...

Correct. We have our very own American Taliban.

All religions have their own fanatics.

God Bless.

When people age, they refuse to laugh freely, they refuse to really consider the options, they become opinionated and closed. Sure they have had more life experience - but what has it done for them. 8 years of Bush? No wonder Obama is on fire.

In another ten years they ( the baby boomers) will as old as McCain......most likely clinging to the past....just like he does.

doots.. i was just going to say.. "THANK the Good Lord that someone ELSE is educating my kids!"

Blondewino -- I'm going to have to split a bottle of shiraz with you now -- 2nd comment on your comments today. You said,

"'There is one Muslim congressman who did swear-in using the Koran and that is his right in America. And I am not offended by that in anyway. It is his America, too."

The Quran that Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) used is from Thomas Jefferson's own library, even better since Mr. Jefferson's Monticello is in Rep. Virgil Goode's (R-VA) district (Goode being the MC who made the loudest, and nastiest protest about using the Quran in a swearing-in ceremony even to the point of introducing legislation dictating that all swearing in must be done with a Bible.)

My nieces and nephews are named Karima, Omeran, Ahmed and Nadia. They are quite American (eligible for CAR membership) and devoutly Muslim. My neighbor's kids are named Yasmeen, Emeer, Ameen. They are typical American kids who like to play kickball in the cul-de-sac with the hoards of other neighborhood kids -- who happen to be WASP, Latino, Asian, African-American, and Jewish. Is this a great country or what?!

Dont you think it's interesting, AP, that the rock of the church was on the shoulders of a man who, for the most part, just didnt get what Jesus was trying to say?

a-p

Thank you for correcting me about Ellison. I hate being incorrect and the sooner I correct it the better. thank you.

Its Hallmark time...

So exciting we are almost there....

Hallmark Channel - It's Hillary Time. :-)

Abrams is singing my song right now...

By the way, here is the info on Ralph Reed

http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/30803

patsi...

Your entitled to your opinion.

God Bless.

LOL bri

Teachers appreciate Hillary's direct answer on Hallmark about what she would do about education.
Specifics..specifics..specifics...I give her an "A" for her
answer.

Blond Wino

The wife of a former boss was responsible for tracking home schoolers to see what services they might need from the public school system, working out learning plans etc. She said her homeschoolers were actually almost even divided between right wing Christians and far left sort of "hippie" types. It always surprised her that they were virtually at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Is that red jacket bright enough
lol
It is about to burn out the TV

I bet it looks great in person but realy needs to be muted

Jack

tylenol...

Yes it is. And like Peter there are many today who preach and talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. They don't get it either.

God Bless.

"When people age, they refuse to laugh freely, they refuse to really consider the options, they become opinionated and closed."

Isn't that pretty closed minded and dogmatic?

Brain in NYC

"Are you fomenting dissent again"

Line about Binky from Life In Hell Chapter 4
Matt Groening

JFTR, here's how I plan on voting...

Clinton v Obama --Clinton

Clinton v McCain --Clinton
Clinton V Romney --Clinton

Obama v McCain --*McCain
Obama v Romney --Obama

*if Rudy is McCain's VP...I will vote for Obama :)

Larry King?

now that IS old folks tv.

Jack

Oregon

This is why I'm voting for her. Would the other candidates stand up for an hour not only answering questions but doing it with specifics and details of proposals. This is what I expect from a candidate. They can wave the flag and shoot off fireworks after the election. Right now I want specifics.

tylenol said

"if it werent for the female disciples, we wouldnt even know about it"

True we men are cowards are heart, it's our biggest worry.

Jack

Jamie,
I can only judge by my reality, and what I observe of others. If you disagree that is fine....but to ignore the essence of the comment, just to criticize comment, as if your opinion is superior, is what I think the youth voter see all too often.

Disagree fine, refuse to consider, proves the point

H20. All I was saying was that the statement itself was a lumping together of all people of a certain age. I laugh all the time. I defend my position in space simply because it is considered judgement based on analysis of the available facts. I certainly didn't vote for George Bush. I don't think less of you for backing another candidate, but I question the reasons. Is believing something different that you closed minded only because I disagree?

You people need to wake up. You are the ones underestimating the Republican attack machine. You have lulled yourself into a false sense of security because Hillary argues she is a “known quantity,” that she has been vetted and she is still here. Yes. She is here with high negatives and a large block of voters that will not vote for her or simply don’t like her, even if they are completely mistaken and misinformed.

More importantly - the fact that the Republicans have already used some of the attacks that will be thrown her way during the general does not act as some type of magical cloak that will eliminate the effectiveness of such arguments in 2008. We don’t need to speculate about Republican attacks – they are already making them.

The GOP will argue that Hillary’s position on the Iraq was has been based polls rather than principle. And they will have ample support. No matter how effectively she can argue against this – it is simply a conversation she does not want to have. And it has been McCain’s message in winning the Republican primary. They are building this message and they could have the middle of the country running to the straight talk of a war hero who has shown great political courage throughout his career.

McCain also holds the trump card on experience. What will Hillary run on in the general without the “experience” argument? Change? McCain will be able to make a more credible argument that by ending the Bush-Clinton-Bush dynasty - he is the true candidate of change. I don’t know about you - but that case will work with plenty of Independents. Especially coming from a maverick like McCain who is lambasted by hyper-partisan pundits from his own party.

Indeed, it is very likely that because many Americans have made clear that they want to move past the political hang-ups of the nineties – these familiar attacks on the Clintons will carry even more weight in the current political scene.

But imagine the contrast Barack will be against McCain. A young inspiring leader speaking about a new direction vs. a 70 year-old Bush loyalist promising more wars. That is what the debate should be about – and the Democrats win that one in an election they cannot lose. Trust me – there is no question which way I will be voting in 2008. This year – it is Democrat all the way.

I think Hillary would be a great President. But she has a greater risk of losing the general, and partisan gridlock and the GOP would make her administration less effective than Obama’s can be. Obama will also result in more Americans being involved in the political process leading to more public service.

Thank you and good night.

Hillary looks a lot better than Maher..

just one more thought on the polls...we might be seeing where the Edwards vote is going.

Hillary just invoked the name of God.

H20,

The problem with a totally open mind is,(to quote my wife) "not all ideas are equal"

Jack
who sometimes finds the quote annoying but hard to argue with.

"Hillary just invoked the name of God"

I can't stand people who use Gods name for the purpose of pandering.
Because of that I'm not going to vote for Hillary, I'm going to vote for Huckabee instead.
I can do that because I'm in Missouri.

Jack
Me?? Too much to drink? Why do you ask?

Warren..with all due respect,I disagree.

Hillary will massacre John McCain in a series of debates.

When the GOP attack machine goes into full attack, she will fight them..no weak John Kerry response.

I want a fighter representing me in this campaign. That fighter is Hillary Clinton.

LOL @ "God is God's name."

Good reason for Clinton/Obama ticket

Chelsea could get married in the White House. In 8 years, Obamas girls in and sometime during his 8 years we get two more White House weddings.

I like a Presidential candidate being addressed as "Hi Mom"

I respect your opinion, do we have to qualify every single comment into minutia so that no one gets all high and mighty and defensive?

If I had said that opinion to you respectfully in person, I doubt we would have any issue at all.

Sometimes the power of the (written) word takes on much more value on the web then in real life. In real life, real people stumble on their words at times, but that shouldn't make their opinion worth less.

The internet, if anything, is going to do more to loose this campaign for Hillary. The younger voter is more in tune with it, and more connected then any niche blog here or anywhere.

From my view: OBAMA is bringing voters together. While Hillary supporter are more focused on being "right".

I hope I am proved wrong.

Stephanie Miller on Abrams :)

Regarding Bill Maher. I read that Hugh Hefner is backing Hillary. Maher hangs out at the Playboy mansion a lot. Maybe Maher will back Hillary too?

God's name is Andy!

Andy walks with me....Andy talks with me...

Andy tells me I am his own

There's a scandal here somewhere

Hillary is talking about health care. A tax credit is crap. After you complete your taxes the amount of difference in your tax liability is minimal at best.

I found this out when it became required to have a Social Security number for your children to get a tax deduction for the children as dependents.

I refused to get one for my daughter because after I did my taxes both with and without a dependent my tax liability was only about one hundred dollars to get a full tax deduction with a dependent than without a dependent.

Also if your single how will you take your tax credit? Unless you can go long form with a lot of deductions and meet the criteria for the percentage your allowed after figuring what you paid over than you can not take the deduction.

That's a bogus premise so a tax deduction will not help many millions who have no insurance or are under insured.

God Bless.

You're right go negative. That has worked so well in the primary elections. And your argument is that she will fight even harder. This is falling into their trap.

The GOP will want to pick a fight - Hillary will fight just as hard as she did in the primary and it will back fire. Voters - at least the people in the middle, us swingers - don't like the negative bullshit even if the bases eat it up.

Hillary is the GOP's only hope.

SM just said, "Mama's for Obama"...LOL!!!

A tax credit is different than a tax deduction.
A tax credit directly either decreases what you owe or increases what you receive in refund.

Jack Nicholson is making robo calls for Hillary Clinton in Northern Cal,,

Warren..since you have resorted to vulgar language, I suspect you know I am correct.

Intrade Presidential Futures Market Super Tuesday
Delegate Count Predictions

The following is an analysis of the state-by-state Presidential Futures markets from Intrade.com.

http://www.central.edu/publicdocs/intrade%202008%20super%20tuesday.pdf

The delegates counted are HARD-pledged delegates. These are delegates that are apportioned by either winner-take-all rules, or proportionally from primary results. These do not include results from caucus states (who will not apportion delegates until at least April), super delegates, or non-pledged at-large delegates.

Currently Pledged: DEMOCRATS:

Clinton...............288
Obama..............108
Edwards............. 12

Super Tuesday Delegate Allocation Predictions

Clinton...............850
Obama..............639

TOTAL ESTIMATED DEMOCRATIC DELEGATES AS OF 2/6/08 (2,025 delegates needed for the nomination):

Clinton...........1,138
Obama..............747
Edwards.............12

Currently Pledged: REPUBLICANS:

McCain...............88
Romney.............34
Huckabee............1

Super Tuesday Delegate Allocation Predictions

McCain...............776
Romney...............76
Huckabee............35

TOTAL ESTIMATED REPUBLICAN DELEGATES AS OF 2/6/08 (1,191 delegates needed for the nomination):

McCain...............864
Romney.............110
Huckabee............36

Jack

She used God as in "God, that is a great question!" : ) Sort of like Holy Sh*t.

I watched BO on NBC and he looks tired, too. I am tired, too. Really ready for this to be over...I think I am going to nap in the back of the family truckster.

z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z

J

"Any man who afflicts the human race with ideas must be prepared to see them misunderstood."
- H L Mencken

"Clinton and Obama Tied: Both Are Satisfying to Democrats"

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104119/Clinton-Obama-Tied-Both-Satisfying-Democrats.aspx

interesting to me any way

Jack

So OD...
Does that mean that a family of three who makes just below the poverty line and who will end up maybe not owing any taxes is going to get a check from the IRS for a medical credit?

On that premise wouldn't it cost the rest of the tax payers millions of dollars to give them this tax credit?

Forty Five Million uninsured is the last figure I heard. So how much will each person\family receive to cover those who pay no taxes and can not afford health care?

God Bless.

Nope. I use vulgar langauge all the time.

And before anyone thinks I don't believe that everyone should receive quality heath care your wrong.

If were the greatest nation in the world we should have already had health care for all citizens. Not just the wealthy and those who can just barely afford it.

God Bless.

anon..I suggest you go to hillaryclinton.com where you can get a very detailed, and I mean detailed, explanation of Hillary's proposals. Just a few of the features include subsidies, credits, caps on rates, etc.
The short term investment will achieve longterm economic saving and most importantly, will result in all
Americans having health coverage.Hopethis helps..

"She used God as in "God, that is a great question!" "

Pardon the boomer reference below ----

"Oh, never mind"

Jack

KCG

Really Jack Nicholson for HRC? Now that woke me up.

The real question for today is why did Bobby Knight quit.

If we didn't put billions of dollars into a war we could pay for the health care and more

I as a taxpayer have no problem paying for people to have health care. I do have a huge problem with paying for war that we shouldn't be in to begin with.

blonde wino

It shook up my friend who is an Obama supporter
made him think for a minute enough to send out
a email.

I haven't heard the complete script yet

And if you have been listening to me - just a little bit - you would realize is that I do not agree. My position is that America is looking for a uniter...not a fighter.

Partisan fights are distracting and destructive to the work our government needs to be doing - especially now!

Anon,

The details haven't been worked out yet, but the basics (with a lot of juggling around as needs dictate)

Everybody goes into the pool of insured people.

All insurance companies would be required to provide some sort of basic plan (negotiations here as to coverage, deductibles, price etc.).

Because there would be over 300 million people in the pool with healthy offsetting ill rather than current cherry picking, the cost should be significantly lower than most plans now.

Cost of insurance could be paid by employer, individual, or government entity depending on income and status of the insured or any combination of the three.

Businesses and individuals would receive some sort of tax break equal to their premium . Those below poverty incomes would be paid by local or national funds in much the same as medicare.

Those are the basics but there's a lot of hammering to be done on the building.

KgC just said, "The real question for today is why did Bobby Knight quit."

I just read that KgC. Shocking and after a win also. Bobby Knight is the winningst coach in college basketball. Lubbock, Texas (home to Buddy Holly) must be rocked right now. But Knight is 67 years old.

yo soy Horsedooty!

So OD...
Since Hillarys plan is mandated you feel its alright to garnish someones wages if they can not afford the insurance, but are mandated to have it?

God Bless.

Partisan fights are distracting and destructive to the work our government needs to be doing - especially now

Let me know when you sign up Mitch McConnell and John Boehner

Now she's into water policy, conservation. Had to switch to computer. Hallmark just went off.

Well, my Hallmark channel just dumped HRC...and now we are watching miracles at Christmas time, no less. May she shouldn't have said "God, that;s a good question." Sure and swift (boaters).

Night...must sleep before the big day.

jamie...
I heard her response in the debate and she was ask about how they would deal with someone who could not afford it and if she would garnish their wages to cover them.

She would not answer yes or no and said there are other ways, but yes that could be a possibility.

God Bless.

AP

Social Security is "mandated". It comes from your paycheck to provide some sort of retirement and medical care in your old age or disability and a fund for any minor children or widow if you have them and die young.

Do you refuse to pay it?

doots

Do you think Knight is sick and not another video tape of him bashing some kid. His son is taking over for him. It is the middle of the season so kind of odd.

Jamie--
excellent point!!

doots
one of the cable sports channel did a study of the effectiveness of the two style of coaching -Knight v the guy from UNC and abusive coaching results in a better free throw record something like 25 points over a half season. I found it disturbing.

Mitch McConnell and John Boehner will be tossed to the side just like the others who don't get on the band wagon.

Post-partisan baby. Don't worry there are still plenty of fights to be had over policy - so all the energy shown on this board will not go unused. Just used more productively.

jamie...
No I do pay it. How many people die who have no spouse or children so the government ends up keeping it.

Also I may not get to collect Social Security when I retire if I don't get a Real ID. Without this mandated ID I can not enter any Court, local or Federal, and I also can not collect my Social Security.

I will also have to submit to searches of my body and baggage if I try to fly anywhere in or outside the United States. I will try to see if I can find the link about Montana passing a law that the State will not enforce the mandated Real ID in Montana. This is a very interesting article and it is on the level of a Dictatorship controlling where the people can go within their country.

God Bless.

Mitch McConnell and John Boehner will be tossed to the side just like the others who don't get on the band wagon.

Now i know it's a fairy tale

Warren

Recomended reading "Plunket of Tammany Hall"
If you do, make a note of his opinion about reformers. It's not smart to bet against Mr. Plunket.

Jack

Know the quickest way to unite people?

Start doing the right things by them. Once we start making people's lives better---and the progress is noticed-----people will not have a problem with unity

Craig

The biggest effect of this election may be the wiriters strike.

In 2008, Americans glued themselves to tv and computer watching the election process that had passed over their heads for decades...'cause there was nothing else to watch on tv. I am sure some of the creative ones in the family truckster can name this soon-to-be historic effect.

Love and good night.

Who the hell is Mr. Plunket?

Can't you break down his point.

"How many people die who have no spouse or children so the government ends up keeping it."

AP It would take me a book to explain SS to you, first as to how it was supposed to be compared to what it is now. :-)

Cliff Notes Version"

Initially it was to be run as an insurance program. (everybody into the pool ... lots of people dying before 65 with no dependents ... plenty of money earning interest left over to pay retirees).

Government hates money just laying around becoming more money so we will just trade this bond here for that money there and put that money there into the general fund and promise to pay SS back later.

Not a Good idea. Along comes Baby boom. Lots and lots of money pouring in to pay very few retirees. Excess gets moved to general fund and replace by this i.o.u.

Baby boom starts to get old, not as many workers coming up behind. Government has stolen money ... oops SS going broke.

Ponzi scheme has replaced Insurance Fund... what happens to Ponzi Schemes when you no longer have enough people coming in the bottom to pay for the guys at the top ... CRASH

I hate typos...WRITERS STRIKE

truebeliever

It didn't work for Bill Clinton with the diehard Republicans. Remember they spread rumors of him stealing the silverware.
Some people are just not going to like you.
A politicians only respects one thing, properly applied power.

More recomended reading
Nicolo Machiavelli, "The Prince"

Love the economy of violence

Jack

jamie...

Here are two links.

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=199732

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/29401prs20070417.html

I'll post a couple more for you.

God Bless.

jamie...

Here's two more.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/montana-governo.html

http://www.rfid-666.com/ID/

And I have I think one more from my post on the Real ID Act.

God Bless.

Yes Jack

I have read "The Prince" in college. I agree with you. That is why I have decided to support Hillary. Because I want a powerful candidate to fend off the attacks and put everybody in line. I believe she can. Sometimes doing the right things for people encounters the wrath of all those who who would not "benefit"

Warren

a hint from teacher to pupil

Try google,
If you've not read "Plunket of Tamany Hall" then you don't understand American politics.

it was required reading for polsci 101 mumble mumble years ago.

Jack

AP

I'm actually fine with Real ID except that our governor has refused to do it as an unfunded mandate. If the Federal government wants all driver's licenses and I.D.s to be compatible with a Federal system, then they can create a budgetary item to pay for it.

It actually makes sense. You can travel all over Europe without a passport if you have an ID issued by the European Union. At some point it is bound to happen at least for Canada and the U.S. (the new passports will carry scanable ID information and holograms).

jamie...

And here is two more. Plenty to read about what your going to need when they ask you for your papers please.

http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/

http://www.privacydigest.com/2008/01/18/montana+governor+foments+real+id+rebellion

And I suggest everyone here read these links they this affects us all.

God Bless.

Coultergist "I'll campaign for Hillary if McCain is the nominee"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTqgqhxVMc

Yee-haw...the Republicans are sooo screwed up.

tt

Thanks Jack.

I can tell from your posts that I have a lot to learn from you.

And for those interested, here's the link to my post entitled...

Passports, National Id & Real Id - A Real Threat below.

http://america-weeps.blogspot.com/2007/10/passports-national-id-real-id-real.html

God Bless.

There is alot more to doing the right thing for people than just having the ideas.

"Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre Minds."
Albert Einstien

I prefer the classics anyways.

Everything else is just repackaged repeats of the same points.

Link where Hillary suggested going after wages from Raw Story.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Clinton_suggests_tapping_wages_02032008.html

I'm looking for the story I read where the British are complaining of finger printing and photos being taken at the airport to fly.

As soon as I find it I will post a link.

God Bless.

AP

I figure if Safeway knows my address, my phone number, my bank, how much gas I use a week, and what I had for dinner last night. I'm not all that worried.

If you have a passport, they have your fingerprint. Of course the govt had my fingerprints by the time I was 15 and had to get a sales license in California.

You get to be paranoid for both of us.

Spike-

That analysis is factoring 341 delegates from FL and MI as hard pledged, (266,75 to HRC & BO respectively). Questionable at best.

Alright. I found the link to fingerprinting at Heathrow Airport.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/148347-Routine-fingerprinting-at-Heathrow-provokes-outrage

There is also a story at Left Of Centrist under the Blog World Report about Blair and others in his party being investigated for war crimes.

You can find it here scroll down to the third story on the right side of the page to read it.

http://www.rousefamily.com/BWR.htm

God Bless.

Rezdog -- "That analysis is factoring 341 delegates from FL and MI as hard pledged, (266,75 to HRC & BO respectively). Questionable at best."

If there is a nominee prior to the convention, the delegates will be seated. Because MI & FL are proportion primaries, the numbers shown will be hard pledged to those delegates.

True believer

I'm not as certain as you about HRC's ability to weild power. Look at the mess she has got herself in to right now. Part of it is her clumsy use of power when she lead early in the polls. She was so anxious to appear inevetable that she made too many enemies. It is coming back to haunt her. You have to be careful about the enemies you create.

Jack

jamie...
Not only will I be paranoid for you, but also for my children and all other Americans.

If and when it happens don't say you never thought it could happen here or that you weren't warned by all the events that have been happening around you and like so many others refuse to see.

Time for bed.

Take care and...

God Bless.

Oh and one more thing. Do you really trust the government with your personal information?

How many times have we read or heard on the news about personal information being lost by the government and credit card agencies.

The veterans administration lost vets personal info on computers twice. And if you don't think thats bad how do you feel about more identity theft that will result from too many people having access to your personal information?

I guess you trust the government more than I do.

Good night and ...

God Bless.

Warren a spelling correction

"Plunkitt of Tammany Hall"

"I prefer the classics anyways.

Everything else is just repackaged repeats of the same points"

That comment would have put a smile on the face of George W Plunkitt.

Jack

"If there is a nominee prior to the convention",

Operative statement, otherwise, who knows.

Blonde, here is the blog for Dada's Dally. Today he is writing about San Miguel, NM. If you dig through his previous posts, you'll see a number of his stories about the outposts of NM and in and around El Paso. Plus, his politics are way to the left and insightful.

http://dadadada2u.blogspot.com/

Enjoy!

AP

Wish someone would investigate our Prez for war crimes. If they find anything on Blair you know It will have Bush prints all over it.

Jack

Was it misuse of power, or was it that Obama et al were just very successful in neutralizing her. They had to demonize Bill, he was for too influential. I was at a rally for her that he conducted in Spfd, and he didn't even mention Obama's name. I thought that was odd. I think they were very good at putting the clinton camp in a box. We can't "split the party up you know".

True believer

I was down your way today
On business for my mother. It was a great day, warm sunshine, Got a chance to walk around on the old family farm , in the woods and down along the creek. I forget how clear the water in down in the Ozarks.
Very relaxing after dealing with my mothers problems.

nite all It has been a long day.

Jack

Jack--
where were you? I actually live in West Plains. Yes it was a great day.

sports break...my post in The New York Times blog:

BOB KNIGHT ,BASKETBALL COACH, RESIGNS
February 4th,
2008
11:08 pm

Loved him, hated him…I became a huge IU fan when he came to Indiana.
I was in attendance in 1976 at the Philly Spectrum and also in 1981, same place, to see him guide his teams to national titles.
In 1976, I was so exuberant I jumped over the scorer’s table and was first to congratulate him as he moved to shake UM coach Johnny Orr’s hand…Knight didn’t like that and shoved me away with a curse and another one…easily seen on all old clips from that night…then I realized what an ass he was when he kicked Mike Miday off the team for attitude problems, then the Puerto Rico incident where he assaulted a security guard ..by that time he was a national joke and an embarrassment to IU alumni.
Finally Miles Brand had the courage to boot him out of Bloomington. His act was coarse and he acted like he was insane, and he was plain rude, as when Don Fisher, longtime IU radio man, attempted to interview him before games…he would be silent or chide Fisher on his “stupid” questions. The only one that really understood him and in so writing about how good he was for IU , let us know a bit about the coach, was longtime Bloomington Herald-Telephone writer Bob Hamel.
I’m glad to see him off the stage.

— Posted by Dexter Badblood

Do not minimize the damage done to Hillary by Big Media. A certain amount of knowledge is required to detect media bias. Many people are very uninformed about politics. That's why MSM has so much power.

I thought at the time that people were taking all those remarks a bit out of context. When you blow something up and repeat it enough times------When the legend becomes the fact - print the legend. You have Mc Cain comparing Romney to a pig, and Ed Rollins wanting to knock Romney's teeth out------no one made big deals about those insults. Why are the dems the only sensitive ones?

mcann-obama '' i'd have to vote mcann

got to go---see ya tomarrow

Dexter Badblood, you go guy!!

tt

I was wondering if anyone has taken into account the 2 and half million people in Cal that have already voted before this weekend with all the heavyweights running to tweety birds aid. Would,t that kinda tip it al little to Hillary.
Just wondering and hoping that they were just a day late and a dollar short with the heavies.

Gordo -- The same MSM that allowed the Bush Administration manipulate us headlong into Iraq, while telling some 900+ lies?

The same folks who sold everyone on the romance of a son stepping into his father's shoes, to bring "dignity back to the White House," and compassionate conservatism?

Now, these are the same folks bringing us the Hope(tm) and Change(tm) inevitability of MObama, who after all, isn't a man, but a movement?

Grrr... I'm tired and snarky -- better go to sleep now before I ruin party Unity(tm).

Divalicias - now that was a witty post. Buenas noches.

Looking forward to Hillary on Letterman in a few minutes..

The same type of people who support Obama are like those who are responsible for the election of Nixon in 68 and 72. Ted Kennedy is responsible for the election
of Reagan in 80. Grow up people...

Hillary was resplendent in red last night on Letterman .
She seemed relaxed and on top of her game.

Craig Ferguson ...what a charming host for late-night...I rarely watch him but he's always good when I do...last night he interviewed the incredibly lovely Kristen Bell, the actor, and then beat the hell out of a drum in a set with some Scottish "wee tinker group"(?) ...something like that...it was a great show. Ferguson became an American citizen Friday, and on Sunday got his pilot's license.

OK..they are "Wicked Tinkers", and their latest release is "RANT".

Aaron Shaw - Great Highland Bagpipes

Keith Jones - Drums and Percussion

Warren Patrick Casey - Tapan, Bodhran, Whisky & Cigars

Jay Atwood - Didgeridoo and Bronze-Age Irish Horn

B rian..I watched your angry posts where you insult
just about everybody.

You are an angry, uniinformed person, who obviously
lives on the internet.

I have worked on Democratic campaigns since the Kennedy election when my parents took me door to door for JFK. I have supported Democratic candidates with my heart, my time, and money for most of my life.
This is the last time I will ever respond to your ignorant
messages.

Hillary was great on Letterman tonight. Tomorrow should be exciting.

Oregon Dem:

My dad won a bushel of apples from a neighbor as a result of Kennedy's 1960 victory.
I started campaigning for Dems in 1964. That's 44 years now? Jumpin' Jehosophat!

I was furious that Bobby Kennedy jumped into the 1968 race after my man Gene McCarthy showed well in NH...RFK had promised not to challenge Lyndon, then he did.
After April, when Lyndon bowed out, that would have been OK, but I hated him for his timing. That, and other factors, ended any real McCarthy challenge.
McCarthy would have ENDED the war in Vietnam.
No current candidate is campaigning as strong as McCarthy did to end their generation's war.
We're stuck in Iraq forever, just the rhetoric will change a bit.

I remember the fervor to end the war 40 years ago...today? It's buried on page 4, or squashed totally.

Dexter. You might not remember this, but Oregon supported Gene McCarthy in our primary in 1968.

I remember Bobby Kennedy speaking at my high school during the primary fight just days before his horrible murder in Los Angeles.

It was such a complicated time with such horrible results.

Oregon Dem: Yes, Hillary was great on Letterman.

I only know one person in Oregon, a fellow Army medic from the war days in Vietnam.
He had a job secured in Rochester, NY, by his dad at Eastman-Kodak. He worked there two weeks and then loaded up his old green VW Bug , his vinyl records and turntable, and his incredibly beautiful lady friend, and headed to Eugene, went to school to grab some credits to become a Physician's Asst., and has lived in Eugene these last 36 years. He loves it.

I had forgotten that OR went for Gene McCarthy...good for them.

I grew up in Indiana, a repug state, but they did elect couple Dem governors, Matt Welsh and Evan Bayh.
Oh...my fave restaurant in Fort Wayne was Zoli's , a Hungarian place. When RFK came to FWA, Mr Zoli fixed up a nice lunch on fine china and the parade just stopped and the plates were delivered to the limo...RFK ate a few bites and resumed his pose waving through the open top of the limo. VERY DANGEROUS, but OK that day.
FWA was also the city where Vernon Jordan was badly wounded in an assassination attempt. I had driven the exit ramp where the shooter was hiding only a couple hours before the shooting. it was by the Marriott on the north side of Fort Wayne.

Dexter..I hope you can visit your friend in Eugene sometime. I live in Salem, just down the road from Eugene. Oregon is a wonderful place, beautiful and politically progressive.
I notice on this site that emotions run high sometimes.
My parents taught me that it was my responsibility to serve the community and that it was my responsibility
to be active in politics.
I have been very disheartened with recent elections. I gguess we just need to keep fighting for what we believe is right. Sometimes we will win, sometimes we will lose..but at least we have fought hard.

Well, anybody is better then Bush...I just watched "The Last King of Scotland"...hell, Idi Amin couldn't be worse than Bush43!

I spent a year near Monterey, CA, and a few weeks in Fort Lewis, WA...but never got a chance to visit OR..good idea.

C YA L8R

Good Morning Everyone.

Happy Trails today! Likely you will still have to keep prozac and valium in your medicine cabinets.

Just remember, its not over till its over.

Frankly, if you leave Political Pundits out of this, its been a great race and watching both camps has bee a pleasure.

I can't remember a time where so many Democrats were armed, ready, and honed political. Their strategies brilliant and the chess board exciting.

Been great. Whoever wins will absorb the best of the best from the other campaign. Its going to be a hard fight with the Republicans, But we are ready.

oh CRAIG!

These threads have been so long, I kind of wonder if you are able to keep up?

Anway Cahoona,
Thanks for the patience and kindness, AND the diligence to keep this place open. Have fun tonight and take care of all of your LIMBS.

No Apple Martinis......you know since you did that, I got hooked on apple martinis.....YUM.

good morning, Sheila and Craig

I'm just hoping the discourse here will be at a higher level today. I know I've said this time and again, but the personal attacks are disappointing, and I wish, rather than "did not" "did, too" arguments, that posters would cite sources and offer links rather than get in the mud.

Good morning Sheila and colleen.

I got into it a little last night too. Oh well, that's politics for you.

Have a good day. Have to get off now, at work. See you all later.

Take care and God Bless.

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