Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

yoop moo.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/issuecartoons/2008/02/11/cartoons_20080204?slide=20#showHeader

Gun battle at St Louis City Council Meeting......things are heating up out there.......

The Long Goodbye (1973) is a film adaptation of Raymond Chandler's novel The Long Goodbye. Directed by Robert Altman from a screenplay by Leigh Brackett, the film stars Elliott Gould as Philip Marlowe, film noir veteran Sterling Hayden as Roger Wade and director Mark Rydell as the gangster Marty Augustine. The Long Goodbye holds up a mirror to the culture of the Hollywood lifestyle in the 1970s. The film is "a study of a moral and decent man cast adrift in a selfish, self-obsessed society where lives can be thrown away without a backward glance...and any notions of friendship and loyalty are meaningless"[1]

I have some thoughts about nash's last-thread worries, but those will wait. For now, suffice it to say that he referred to "hope." Yesterday I was involved with a situation involving one of my best friends in Denver, and her daughter, who just turned 40. They were on their way to the Mayo Clinic in a last ditch effort for hopeful news. For the ten years I lived in Denver, my friend Judy and I practically had interchangable children. I feel like this young woman is one of my own. After thinking she'd beat cancer last year it is back with a fury and spreading fast. She was sick during the flight, stranded in snow bound Chicago and finally made it to Minnesota.

There is a website where her friends can stay informed and so I copied her most recent message. This, sports fans, is an AUTHENTIC message of hope from a VERY sick young woman. And you'll notice she makes no attempt to pull anybody's heart strings.
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Well, we made it here, finally, and today I had some tests done (bloodwork, CT scan, etc.) and tomorrow morning I will met with the doctors. I have no idea what to expect, but it will be nice to get another take on all of this madness. The Mayo Clinic is quite an impressive complex, and so far we’ve received good care and attention.

Rochester is a cute town, and the whole downtown area has an underground walkway system, so you really never even have to set foot outdoors if you don’t want to. It’s called a subway, and each tunnel has kind of a different feel; some are paneled in wood and have a very log-cabin feeling, and others are decked out with different genres of art. My favorite so far is a walkway that slopes down and has a very 1970’s Sci-fi vibe. It reminds me of visiting Universal Studios when I was a kid, and seeing the set for Logan’s Run. I’ve taken some photos which I will share soon!

Mom and I just went out for a nice dinner, and are going to settle in and watch a movie, so good night, stay warm, wherever you are, and have a lovely Friday!

patsi.....nice read.

Logan's Run......isnt that the movie which ended with the Hero (Jan Mich. Vincent?) poping up out of the water in the center of those old terraced fountains in Foat Wuth?

good morning gang....

Patsi.... thanks for posting that..... and I hope your friend's daughter can beat the cancer again....

Craig.... you are so funny....
equating McCain as the Pope..... LOL!

nash....You've cherry picked from one speech. Hillary has consistently said she'd start withdrawing troops, never indicating an immediate and complete withdrawal.

An immediate withdrawal would be complete madness, worthy of a war crimes prosecution. As much as I despise this Iraq invasion and all that followed, to simply take our toys and go home would be tantamount to having invented an Al-Qaeda state. We've already ensured that Iraq will be an Islamic run country.

How we get out of there is the most imprtant tactical strategy question thus far in the century. It cannot be done in a knee jerk reaction. That's what got us there.

We had a benefit sloppy joe dinner last night at work for a guy who died last week. He had pneumonia and went to the hospital last week and then had to have his gall bladder removed for some reason. He suddenly died after surgery. He was only 35 or 36 years-old. He left behind a wife and two children who are 12 and 8. I didn't know the guy. He worked on 2nd shift. Sad story.

David Shuster Says Chelsea 'Pimped Out' by Hillary

Could David Shuster be any more unprofessional? Does he not realize that he's talking about the daughter of a woman who is the first female candidate to be vying for commander in chief? One can only guess what would happen if he'd said something so heinous about Barack Obama's daughter. It would have been Shuster's Imus moment. Hey, but it's just about Hillary's kid, so she's fair game, as is all things anti-Clinton. Evidently Shuster has decided to channel Chris Matthews.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/

Good morning.

Patsi...
I echo rr's comments. My sister just died from cancer. She had the same cancer John Edwards wife Elizabeth has and it was the third occurrence that finally took her.

I wish my best for her and the family.

God Bless.

Craig, keep on reporting about the Dems. I think you are doing excellent . I look forward to reading and seeing you on T.V.. with your views. Thank You.

Well thats it for me as I'm at work. I hope everyone has a good day.

God Bless.

Shuster would know about pimping given his shameless pandering for Huckleberry

Shuster Schmuster.

A sampling of BHO voters...

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/06/obama-girl-didnt-vote/

anon: Thanks for the good thoughts sent toward Mayo Clinic today. This young woman is one of those sunshine girls....very smart, beautiful -- so much to live for. And always positive in her thinking.

I'm gonna miss Ward Cleaver.

It wont be the first time all the young people have threatened to vote.......

gee, corey......dad's gonna clobber you..........

Won't the media be surprised when Huckabee pulls great numbers now that Romney is gone. A lot of conservatives probably voted for Romney because he looked more electable than Huckabee. Are they really going to throw their votes to McCain in future primaries, or, are they going to see that Huckabee had a little momentum going & get behind a more conservative candidate. A lot of them really don't see that much of a difference between Clinton & McCain; I think Mike will surprise the likes of Chris Matthews.

Loved the polling piece on The Daily Show; pollsters threatening people so they wouldn't change their minds & make their polls wrong.

Obama girl is the perfect example why counting on the youth vote is a hugh mistake. All fluff, no action.

I heard there that Limbaugh had a secret meeting with McCain. Is there anything out on the web about this meeting.

Good morning everyone! Just noticed the Quick Vote on CNN American Morning asks who will fair better against McCain. Go vote! cnn.com/americanmorning

If one of our cities had a nuke attack which one of the candidates would be the best to handle that problem.

This is just a nice video, for a Friday morning... 8)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2A2Jt4WOxN8

Blue: I think it's too late for Huckabee to stop McCain.

Patsi: Sorry to hear about your friend's daughter. I liked the Logan's Run story.

I don't know which one is the most qualified to handle a nuke attack. Maybe McCain.

LL: Here's a nice photo for Friday morning...Mother polar bear and cub.

http://www.lizasreef.com/HOPE%20FOR%20THE%20OCEANS/Images%20HFTO/Polar_bears-Mom_n_SleepingBaby.jpg

Sturgeone: True fact. Arnold Schwarzenegger had a minor role in "The Long Goodbye" as "muscle" working for a gangster. Here's a shot of him with Eliot Gould.

http://jurgenfauth.com/wp-content/uploads/snapshot20070718135102.jpg

Thanks for the thought, Nash. I told my friend that I doubted I held any sway with God, but I would send a message to my mother, who I think is sitting at His/Her right hand. On the other hand, my dad probably has God engaged in a poker game.

Vadaryl

In any disaster that large it is the team in place that will handle the situation. Untill they prove they can handle ordinary governing any team the Rep. would field is suspect. So I wouldn't trust a McCain adminisrtation to be any better than the current one.

Jack

Patsi: Mayo Clinic is the best. If there's a way to help her, they'll find it.

Of course Chelsea Clinton is doing whatever she can to help her Mom get elected. All the candidates' kids make calls and give speeches in support of their parent!!

Hell, I have seen MR's 5 sons doing group interviews!!

BHO's daughters might be too young to make phone calls, but I'll bet they are taking flyers to school, to be sent home, to all their classmates' parents...LOL!!!

The one mistake Chelsea made was to call the nitwits on "The View", who turned her calls into a joke.

By the way, if anyone needs any medical information, Mayo Clinic on-line is a great source.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/

awwwww...nice pic, nash 8)

Patsi...
Your welcome.

My daughter has survived 21 years from her brain cancer. She was diagnosed at age 4 1\2 and so far she is still free.

God Bless.
PS: Got to stay off until I get home. I can read, but I shouldn't be posting. In fact I'm surprised that this site hasn't been blocked yet.

I sincerely hope she does well and beats this horrible disease.

LL: What momma bear is thinking: "One more step forward with that camera and I'm going to rip your head off."

anon --- thanks so much for this first hand account:

"My daughter has survived 21 years from her brain cancer. She was diagnosed at age 4 1\2 and so far she is still free."

I have been thinking about what to say if my friend calls with bad news. I will use this story.

vadaryl...

I really should get off, but to answer your question Reich Wing Radio thinks that if there is another attack the Repugs will keep the White House.

Their mantra is Democrats won't keep you safe and want to surrender to the terrorists.

I'm done until tonight. Take care and...

God Bless.

yeah, nash...and the baby is totally relaxed, knowing that the Mom is there...Moms are good that way...

mornin' all.

catching up on some of the posts from yesterday - warren, we're all entitled to our opinions about Matthews - I've watched probably 80% of his Hardball shows over the past couple of years, and we disagree about him. I can certainly understand why Obama supporters think he's a swell analyst - having anointed Obama as the second coming of JFK and declared Hillary a loser to any republican comer, but never in that 2 years that I've seen has he actually "analyzed" the differences in the policy positions of Clinton and Obama. And I don't bristle at any criticism of Hillary - I bristle at unfair and dishonest criticism and comparisons of the candidates. I'd like to se evenhanded analysis by the Matthews of the world, but don't expect it.

Corey - you're going to miss Eddie Haskell.

VAD, to your 8:03 post, my answer is the one with the best judgment and ability to assimilate diverse information then make decisions. Or maybe the one who looks best with a bullhorn. And so far, I don't find anything about that secret meeting between Limpballs and McBush. Guess it was secret.

I thought I saw it, but it got pulled off.

Limps private plane was spotted at Dulles

What the Cult of Obama doesn't realize is that he's a politician. Not a brave one taking risky positions like Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich, but a mainstream one. He has not been firing up the Senate with stirring Cross-of-Gold-type speeches to end the war. He's a politician so soft and safe, Oprah likes him. There's talk about his charisma and good looks, but I know a nerd when I see one. The dude is Urkel with a better tailor.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-stein8feb08,0,3418234.column

Willard as the Cardinal.?

He better rent that movie .

"WASHINGTON (AP) — It's almost as if people can barely stand the thought of President Bush and Congress anymore. Bush reached his lowest approval rating in The Associated Press-Ipsos poll on Friday as only 30 percent said they like the job he is doing, including an all-time low in his support by Republicans. Congress' approval fell to just 22 percent, equaling its poorest grade in the survey. Both marks dropped by 4 percentage points since early January."

Did I hear Chuck Todd say Hillary writing a $5m check will make everyone scrutinize her finances? Did we scrutnize Romneys? What is going on here? Tell me, am I missing something?

Gordo, my secretary came in with the morning mail while I was reading Joel Stein's piece and laughing my ass off. She asked what I was laughing at - I said an Obama piece and she just rolled her eyes. (She's a twenty something who's not caught up in the politics of hope).

VAD - I'm sure Limpy was at CPAC, but the last thing HuffPo had posted was his pledge to raise money for Hillary so that McBush doesn't have to run against Obama, and they do a pretty fair job of ferreting out stuff like that and getting it on the web. And nothing on Drudge. We'll have to keep looking.

Now we're talking - here's what we will have to do - glad the Dem national party isn't waiting until August to get started.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8397.html

max - Obama is calling for Hillary to release her tax returns - as he has. No, we didn't scrutinize Romney's - everyone knows he has more money than god and Obama knew he was running against Clinton, not against Romney. Frankly, I would release them if I were her - although Bill might be a little embarassed about the tons o' money he's made from his speaches and investments. And get ready for the criticism about cattle futures investments - it won't be far behind.

Chuck Todd is a lightweight, IMO. I've heard him analyze situations in every campaign that left me going, "huh"? He often draws the most bizarre conclusions.

I am so glad I kept watching Fox on Super Tuesday to get a feel for Karl Rove. He has more info tucked into one political brain cell than Chuck, Matthews and Co. will ever have. I say this as one who despises Rove and everything he stands for.

But when that dumbo Chris Wallace asked him something about a particular state, Rove immediately identified the unaccounted voters. He understands every inch of this country's electorate off he top of his head, and frankly that is unnerving. His analysis of why the states were splitting for either Obama or Hillary was pretty amazing. And it was the one time he caught himself short and I got a real clue what he thinks about the general.

max

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I certainly hope that Mika is wearing a depends undergarment today. She seems to experience a "giddy little piss", every time she talks about Clinton loaning money, to the campaign.

When the talk was that Romney would loan himself millions of dollars, everyone was in awe over his wealth. Now, however, MSNBC views Hillary as a poor. broken down woman.

I think all this Clinton bashing, by MSNBC(Mika Scarborough Nastily Bash Clintons)is going to come back to haunt them.

They are so, totally in Obama's corner, that they never even have a guest with a differing opinion. If, by chance, a Hillary supporter does get on...JS talks over them.

I just sent HRC 200.00 and signed up for the monthly contribution plan. Instead of "blowing off" voting, Jim is delaying a business trip, until Wednesday, so he can vote for Senator Clinton.

Now that I think about it, MSNBC is doing a great job getting people to rally around HRC!!

Go Joe...Go Mika...Go Joe...Go Mika!!!!

Posted by: LushIsLinda | February 7, 2008 8:07 AM

Morning Joe-Less, was better without him.

Here's Krugman with the dire economic news. This may be something we should consider while we are touting the virtues of our respective candidate choices.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/opinion/08krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Not a Campaign, But a Revival

BOSTON—Barack Obama spent his last days before Super Tuesday running for God of America. His cult is growing; his calling as America’s spiritual leader is cemented. Seriously, who would have ever thought that the next Christ would have gone to Harvard Law?
“He can give us what America needs the most, which is not a transition, but is a transformation of American politics,” Kerry said.
Ted Kennedy, with his amazing hypnotic monotone, shouted himself hoarse; this was incredible. “If you care about Massachusetts, if you care about our nation, you’re going to go out and vote for Barack Obama.” His voice disappeared like it was eating itself.
http://www.observer.com/2008/not-campaign-revival?page=0%2C0

About fundraising: of course no one in the MSM wants to talk about the fact that Move On is actively raising money for Obama. There is a HUGE headline link on their website for campaign donations. It's tapping into a lot of money, and surely accounts for quite a bit of his financial gains.

Good Morning!!
Gordo, good article, thanks,
Here is one on what the UK thinks: http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10656864 Interesting that they threw in Coulter's pic with the 3 front runners.

And what is with this Shuster??
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/02/07/shuster-chelseas-being-pimped-out

"Barack Obama has made substantial gains among Democratic voters nationwide; on the eve of the Iowa caucuses just 26% of Democrats supported him, compared with 38% today. Meanwhile, the share backing Hillary Clinton has not changed – 46% of Democrats supported her on the eve of the Iowa caucuses, and 46% support her today."

Need your daily fix of polls? http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=392

Actually, Patsi, I don't want the MSM to talk about MoveOn raising money for Obama - it gives the perception that Obama is THE anti war candidate and looking beyond the nomination fight my perception is that MoveOn doesn't have an unequivocally good reputation even among all democrats, much less independents. I think too much discussion of them spills over to alienate folks who might otherwise vote dem.

Isn't there supposed to be a report from Betrayous in March. Senators Levin and Warner are quoted today saying the surge in not working. Warner is a jackas- he knew it wouldn't work last summer and still went along with the Shrubians. Too late Senator Warner
you are just as bad as Bush.

Craig, you're such a gem. Today's TM is so spot on!

tt

Gordo

I detest the politics of destruction.
That is all you do
It is one thing to react in anger, as many have done on this blog, when you are in the middle of a heated discussion. It is a totally different thing to post this type of crap out of the blue. That is trollish behavior IMO.

People who support Obama have very legitimate reasons for doing so.
The ability to inspire is a very legitimate talent for a leader to have. This becomes painfully obvious when Obama is put next to our current leader who can't string three words together without sounding like a fool.
There are other things , such as HRC's ability to work her ass off to succeed, that are equally legitimate talents.
It is important to have a debate over each candidates talents and short comings. But the crap that you just posted addresses none of then.

Jack

Donna Brasile on CNN
"I'll quit the Democratic Party if the super delegates decide the nomination."

well there's a reason right there. Followed immediately by Obama backing way off his statement from yesterday ...saying it is way to early to decide these issues.

Goodbye Donna don't let the door hit you ...

KGC

They are just working the refs.

Jack

Obama backed way off his super delegate statements of earlier in the week. He is now saying --it is too early to tell if he needs the rules changed to win

Let me also include in the trollish behavior department, the next fool that starts off a comment about HRC with the term "billary" grrrrrrrr.

Jack

yes dear , I know it's time for my second breakfast.
When jack gets hungry jack gets cranky. lol i'm like a friggin' two year old any more.

This has got to be the nastiest Democratic nominating process I have ever seen, except perhaps Uncle Teddy's challenge against Jimmy Carter at the 1980 Democratic National Convention. I didn't even pay attention in 2004 until Edwards was on the ticket with Kerry.

I get this feeling the Democrats are going to blow this thing. AGAIN... Never underestimate the Dems of snatching defeat from the hands of victory.

It is a beautiful sunny day here in Belgium and it's Friday afternoon. I should do something productive. House cleaning would be a good start.

TTFN

Jack, Maureen Dowd, who HATES Hilary with a passion, refers to her as "Billary" .

Obama discussion point: Is it a "Cult of Personality"?

eruo tom---describe what Belgium is like?

Obama discussion point: Is it a "Cult of Personality"?

Posted by: GORDO | February 8, 2008 10:44 AM

I say "no" ... He is not a dictator that uses media for his own advantage, he is campaigning to become the Democratic Party's nominee, same as Hillary. I feel the media have fallen "On Bended Knee" towards Obama recently, but that's THEIR doing, not his. He's running for President He's not owning or controlling the media. The people who support him have very legitimate reasons for that support.

The stress of the times is really getting to people
everyday there is a story about someone going crazy and killing people.

This has to be quote of the day for me.
From over on Red State,
in regard to McCain and the right wing nuts.

"Why the hell should he do anything? You lunatics shat all over him for years, and he's proven that he can win without you. You think appealing to faux-conservatives now will win him any voters in the general, when faux-conservative George Dubbya Bush is polling in the 30's? News flash, Sparky: America is sick of you."

Jack

HAHAHAHAHA. Bush says peace and prosperity are at stake in the election -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/08/bush-peace-and-prosperi_n_85646.html

Brilliant line when we're at war and the economists are debating whether we're going into a recession. Next line should have been - "You risk experiencing one or the other or both unless you vote for my good friend John McCain."

Who questioned why Hillary continues to run against Bush? This is exactly why - he can't help himself, and by stumping for McCain, he has opened McCain up to being tied to Bush. If the dem campaign machine can't use this to portray McCain as Bush 3, it needs to throw the bums out and and get someone in who can. (James? James? Where are you James?) Who would you rather have the opportunity to direct campaign rhetoric against - the war hero or the wildly unpopular president? I choose B.

KGC
The scary thing about the StLouis shooting is that every regular public meeting I ever go to has a crank like this. From neighborhood meetings on up to city council. Always angry, demanding and always there on the front row every meeting.

I guess you just never know when they are going to come for you.

Jack

I wrote a bit about Belgium and then I accidently deleted it.. grrrrr. I will write something later.

The stress of the times is really getting to people
everyday there is a story about someone going crazy and killing people.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 8, 2008 11:01 AM

Not to mention America's LUST for GUNS. Isn't it a sad statement when you go to a place like Mall of America in Bloomington MN, they actually have to hang placards stating that under statute, blah blah, blah, firearms are not allowed on the premises?

I can remember, quite clearly, when I lived in a nice suburb in Minneapolis and we didn't even lock our doors or even bother to take our keys out of the car. Now everyone struggles, everyone has issues, nearly everyone feels like "WTF? Why bother?" ...

And every wingnut seems to have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER BECOMING FULLY ARMED in the good 'ole USA.

TO ALL TRAILMIXERS (and former Crawfordslisters):

I am hearing from a few folks who are taking a break from our little corner of the internets because they are tired of the insulting comments from others. These are hot and heavy times, so emotions are going to boil over.

Personally, I just completely ignore all comments posted by the screen names of regularly crude and/or uncivil participants -- and scan over to those I respect.

As this is an open and un-censored thread, installing an imaginary IGNORE button in your brain is about all I can offer as a solution to those who want to stick around.

I have noticed over the years that bullies go away if they're ignored. But give them attention (which is what they most crave), and you only postpone their welcome departure.

-- Craig

Jack
And this morning a young woman in Baton Rouge took her own life and two other young women at a school.
And there was the terrible robbery and shooting outside of Chicago earlier this week.

And the day before...the teacher shootings.

I appreciate you telling me about what it is like in Belgium. I really like to know what different parts of the world are like and it would be great to hear from someone who actually lives there.

Am looking forward to hearing from you.

so does that mean the bully's have gone away?

Craig, I read what Shuster said last night about Chelsey being pimped out by her parents, and sent the link to the group. Sorry, but I think the spam catcher you have caught it. Just wanted to let you know that I am not sending nasty links to your blog. Take care!!

who knows, chicakdee, one blogger's bully is another's champion. it's all about point of view

" I think the spam catcher caught it" -- Posted by: Linda~in~Wisconsin

not to worry, Linda -- FYI to all, the auto spam filter does block anything with 3 or more links -- other than that, nothing else gets censored

Washington state will definitely go for Obama. The caucus system tends to bring out the political neophytes and the activists. It is interesting to note that the Republicans are abiding by the primary vote while the Democrats are not. As I recall, an initiative was filed to change the Presidential party nominees after Washington state was embarrassed by the Republicans choosing Pat Robertson. I am disappointed that the Dems are not using the primary vote, but I think they believe caucuses are a great recruiting tool for bringing new and enthusiastic voices into the Party. Since Obama is a "new entity" (as it were) within the Presidential politics and the big "first" he offers as an African-American man within striking distance of actually getting the nomination, the activists who long for significant change will be out in force.

I still argue that Hillary being within striking distance of getting the nomination and being the first woman to do so is also an incredible change in the body politic. The hopes and aspirations of women who have longed for a place at the table have an incredible opportunity to break that glass ceiling once and for all.

Since it appears that neither Hillary or Barack will have enough delegates to win the nomination without the super delegates, isn't a floor fight at the convention inevitable? And if a floor fight is inevitable, what does this say about Dem chances in the general? I'd like to hear your opinions .

Thanks for the button installation, Craig - I'll have to try it out later today. Perhaps you could install one for some of the folks taking a break so that they can participate again.

Linda, i found your comment in the spam bin and set it free: http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/02/see-you-later-mitt.html#comment-29911

Jack, what deal? I doubt Hillary with just give up. And if arm twisting forces either Hillary or Barack to sit back and take the VP slot, won't that just fracture the party?

Pretty telling when get dissed because David Schuster refers to Chelseas parents pimping her out, but we don't seem to understand that is what stings and barbs do to bloggers of other opinion.

No chicakdee, I'm still here :-)

I don't think I'm a bully and I do think my main nemesis here is. I am sure "he who cannot be named" would say the exact thing about me.

I very much like Craig's comment: "These are hot and heavy times, so emotions are going to boil over." That's it in a nutshell. I don't want to put words in Craig's mouth but I can imagine him doing his work getting emails from people on the mix blog and thinking "GROW UP... ALL OF YOU". I have a couple yahoo groups and have to do this often, though in a far more diplomatic way.

It is interesting for me to see one person seeth about 4 or 5 of us who participate in this discussion and me looking at them with high esteem. I suppose it is not an accident that all of us in the group are Hillary supporters and the complaints we've received are from Obama supporters.

"These are hot and heavy times, so emotions are going to boil over."

Can we please move on?

Bully Thomas

nannym, I think the only real problem with a floor fight is that it postpones campaigning for the nominee until the first week of September - another monumental tactical blunder by Howie Dean. Jesus H., and the man was a physician? I'd think he could have foreseen the potential problem that an August convention might result in. And now he wants the candidates to figure out how to avoid that? And he wanted to be president? Good lord.

I sent the Shuster comments to Dan Abrams for his "Beat the Press" segment. Seems like he's all to willing to highlight inappropriate comments from other cable stations. I think it's about time he looks at his own MSNBC....the worst offender in my opinion.

I have a question.

Is their a blog profile of regular participants here?

Things like .. Gender, occupation, interest in politics, hobbies. etc????

EuroTom said

"Jack, Maureen Dowd, who HATES Hilary with a passion, refers to her as "Billary""

Hi tom:-)

Yes, she does and yes, she is a troll.
A highly paid one but a troll nonetheless.
She exemplfies the politics of destruction, IMO
As does Ann Coulter, Michael Moore, Rush Limbaugh and ect ect ect .

Jack

The only scrutiny I gave when I heard Hillary wrote her campaign a $5 million check is what does it feel like to write a check for that amount, that won't actually bounce...

That has to be the financial equivalent of being Hugh Hefner when he realized Viagra actually worked...

Pogo: I agree that the Convention timing is ridiculous. I think the long nominating process is going to cause such a deep divide within the party that rallying behind the one candidate left standing will be questionable and is why I believe a Clinton/Obama ticket (or visa versa) may be the only solution.

Got an email from my good friend Lissa who now lives in Florida. Thought someone might find this interesting:

. this election is nerve-racking. The right and Bush are so creepy. Altho I do like McCain's 97 year old mom, Roberta. She hates the Republicans...treated her son

"...like a dog. They are just going to have to hold their noses and vote for him...he doesn't hold grudges like I do. I kinda like my grudges".

Mrs. McCain is a feisty one! :-)

EuroTom:

Who cannot be named?

Sometimes I feel like I am watching an episode of Lost** reading this blog.

**which by the way was fantastic last night.

Suiperdelegates will go to Obama. Anyone who was going to give them to Clinton already did.

Morning all, hi Craig, hope the foot's healing nicely..

Masonic tongues or Messianic? because there's a difference.. lol.. one's bricklayers -- other's the second coming and ya better watch out!

It was really nice to sit and have coffee this morning with Joe-less morning..(well, he was on the phone, but wth..i can live with that).. Shuster made me stand up and applaud when he said Mitt's "dems surrender to terrorists" comment was just stupid.

:) and how is your day going?

Pogo:

I don't want to dredge up this conversation again - but just want to make one quick point on Chris Matthews. I respected and liked him BEFORE he "annointed" Obama. And it sounds like many on this board watched him BEFORE he started criticizing Hillary.

Tweety was terrible during the 2004 election and
did the same thing to Kerry -- and Mrs Kerry as well

how can we forget
Bush = "Sonny Nobility"
or who would you rather have a beer with

Tweety is a random comment generator who the media claims is a liberal. But all he does is make liberals look bad.

Not to mention how Matthews made fun of Al Gore at every turn....

"Is their a blog profile of regular participants here? Things like .. Gender, occupation, interest in politics, hobbies. etc????" -- Posted by: EuroTom

Yes, EuroTom, but it is up to each participant to complete their profiles. Just click the Type Key symbol to the right of registered screen names.

If that person has completed a profile on Type Key you will see it. Also, of course, we have links to participant blogs and the map on Blogroll link on the side bar to your left.

Hey folks, I think it is time we talked music. As you can probably imagine, Bowie's Changes is going to be the new theme music for Morning Joe when Obama is running for the general.

But last night I heard a song that might comfort many of the avid Hillary supporters on this board.

Whenever you are all filled with angst - go listen to Bob Dylan's "Dont Think Twice, It's Alright." Here are some of Dylan's words:

It ain't no use to sit and wonder why, babe
It don't matter, anyhow
An' it ain't no use to sit and wonder why, babe
If you don't know by now
When your rooster crows at the break of dawn
Look out your window and I'll be gone
You're the reason I'm trav'lin' on
Don't think twice, it's all right

Anyone remember the day Bush landed on the aircraft carrier and declared "mission accomplished?" Tweety's fawning over Bush was disgusting. Talk 'bout man crushes! Sheeeeshhh!!!

KGC said

"Tweety is a random comment generator who the media claims is a liberal. But all he does is make liberals look bad"

lol
point!

Or as my Father would say
His mouth is running before his brain is engaged and
He never hears a word he says.

I have never been able to handle tweety.

Jack

Here's one for you Warren

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uvr3dmptvg

I think this long nomination season can work to the benefit of the Democrats as long as they can remain civil. Now with McCain being the presumptive nominee Clinton and Obama can direct their snark at him instead of each other, point out their differences in national debates and hone their messages on the campaign trail.

That also gives other Democrats, bloggers and such the opportunity to remind folks that McCain represents four more years of George W Bush.

Nice one KGC.

no one watches Tweety any more..there are plenty of web sites that give the information out and some people mistakenly tune in a little early for KO

His ratings are with Tuckers.

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Youth vote----what age is the "youth vote"?

When it comes to the youth vote----I realize there are young people who are genuinely interested in politics.

It has been my experience that a good many of them aren't interested and don't have a clue to what issues prevail in their own country. They are young and blissfully enjoying other things in life. They simply don't care.

So when I see the "youth" rallying for a candidate--do they really care or are they just at a pep rally with friends and enjoying the rush?

I loved the video, especially the end with the cane shaking--made me laugh. On other blogs, I've heard many comments about caucuses entering the picture from Michigan and Florida to determine the delegate count from those states. Just wondered if there was any truth or probability of this happening.

Ran:

"I think this long nomination season can work to the benefit of the Democrats as long as they can remain civil."

Based on this message board - we could be in trouble.

Most people think you should do anything to win elections...because at the end of the day they think the ends justify the means.

They are wrong.

Speaking of McCain
I saw George Allen campaigning for mcCain in Va

sort of Macaca campaigns for M.McGook

AsianWeek: Feature: McCain Apologizes for 'Gook' Comment

Craig.... thanks for the comment on the "ignore" button....
that's mostly what I've doing for a long time.....

WJack.... loved your post about Gordo and the politics of personal destruction...
even as a Hillary supporter... I find his posts offensive and I no longer read them....

Warren.... I missed most of last season's Lost.... started watching it again this season..... and I'm... well...... lost.... but I'm going to keep watching....

nannymm and Pogo.... I heard on interesting take on the continuing nominating season for the Democrats while the Republican side is sown up on the Diane Rehm Show on NPR this morning....
the pundit basically said that the protracted fight would keep the Democrats in the press and on the front pages..... mean while it might be easy to forget the Republicans.....

RR: we are all "lost" - that is what makes it so fun!!

Warren

I'm an optimist
I'm thinking about that shotgun wedding the party elders are planning
So here is this one for
Hillary and Barack

John Prine and Iris Dement

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljhSJNk0pho

Jack

In Spite of Ourselves? great song from a good movie

I don't understand the big uproar within the Dem party.. we ALL said we didnt want a coronation.. and we got our heart's desire.. Just promise yourself you'll support whoever wins and everything'll be fine. The 'news on the war' isnt going to get better, folks. It's a friggin WAR. While the primaries are going on Baghdad blows up daily and no one sees but it's still blowing up. Soldiers are dying and injured and their families are back here just waiting to vote. This Admin, despite their applauding and patting themselves on the back for 2 days, is unlawful. Dont even consider voting for McCain just cos he's a maverick and is trying to appeal to dems. No economic plan and more war should be enough to keep Dems voting Dem, but if you need more incentive, how about the Patriot Act and shredding the Constitution?

Remind all your friends too.

Gordo
thanks for the numbers
numbers are good

Jack

For Hillary--I Am Woman---Helen Reddy

I am woman, hear me roar
In numbers too big to ignore
And I know too much to go back an' pretend
'cause I've heard it all before
And I've been down there on the floor
No one's ever gonna keep me down again

CHORUS
Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I can do anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman

You can bend but never break me
'cause it only serves to make me
More determined to achieve my final goal
And I come back even stronger
Not a novice any longer
'cause you've deepened the conviction in my soul

CHORUS

I am woman watch me grow
See me standing toe to toe
As I spread my lovin' arms across the land
But I'm still an embryo
With a long long way to go
Until I make my brother understand

Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to I can face anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
Oh, I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong

FADE
I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong
I am woman

Ty
I was talking to my sister the other day and remarked how suprised I was at her husbands antiwar comments. She pointed out having a teenage son enamoured with the military changes your POV.
as she said, "if I'm not willing to send my own son to die, it is not right to send someone elses."

Jack

tylenol, i wouldn't vote for mc cain if he were the only name on the ballot. i'd write in mickey mouse first. lol
(what can i say? i love mickey!) but, will black voters stay home if obama isn't the nominee? will women stay home if hillary isn't? I hope not. but there does seem to be alot of bitterness in both groups that may spill over at the end. it worries me when people say obama's voters wont go for hillary (and obama himself seems to be saying that.) or when i hear people threaten to leave the party if the super delegates decide the nominee. this should be a good year for dems. but....i'm worried.

will black voters stay home if obama isn't the nominee? will women stay home if hillary isn't?

I don't think so nannymm, not enough to lose the election at any rate. One thing we all have in common is a wish to see this versoin of the Republicans out of office.

nash - Well, you prob'ly right about Huckabee stopping McCain (especially now that W is trying to get GOPers to support him), but if Mike sticks with it, I really think people might be surprised at the anti-McCain votes he gets since Romney is gone.

If Clinton & McCain are the noms, and, if some see their political stances as being somewhat close, will the turnout for the general be extremely low because folks aren't passionate about either one?

Thanks for the responses. MSMBC is really getting to me lately , Faux is just not a option and CNN is a yawn. I am absolutely sick of the Hillary bashing. Every channel, 24/7, all I hear is how terrible Hillary is. She is smart, informed and experienced woman. Uh, oh! Did I say woman, is that the problem? God help us.

Warren,

My wife's theme song
She is an HRC supporter

I think It may have started as her divorce song.

She is a strong opinionated woman, just the way I like them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHJMp5bz9u8

Jack

I said I wuz gonna vote for McCain, but I wouldn't be able to do it. He was one of the Clinton impeachment persecutors.

max: take the pledge, I see about 2 minutes of "news" on the teevee a week, everything you need to know is on the internet.

"But last night I heard a song that might comfort many of the avid Hillary supporters on this board. "

ROFL! Warren doesn't see the irony of using Bob Dylan to take a shot at the candidate being smeared by her opposition as the old woman from an out-of-touch generation.

I used to really like Helen Reddy. I loved 'I am Woman" , "Delta Dawn", "Angie Baby" and my particular version "You're My World". She has always had a distinctive style and vocal quality which I found interesting. She kind of lost me, however, when she did a cover of "We'll Sing in the Sunshine" and declared it her "new feminist song".

Chickadee... Define "Do you like women" ....

I do give the Clinton campaign credit. It appears that they are manufacturing "momentum" out of thin air.

And you got to love the spin that the presumptive nominee with all the entrenched interests and name recognition - and who is married to the most loved man in the Democratic party - is the underdog. Well if she is now the underdog - she got there for a reason.

There are flaws with her campaign. Hillary has never excelled at connecting with people and she is not an agent of change.

The Clinton campaign is taking on water - and if we send this ship against the GOP - the Dems may be sunk.

nam myoho renge kyo ... everyone please chat this with me... humming to "I am Woman" is permissible as long as the chant fits the song's tempo...

Patsi: you right - I don't see the irony.

Jack: I myself have always been drawn to strong and opinionated women. But I am beginning to wonder if I should try to resist that urge. Life sure would be a heck of a lot easier.

Just kidding ladies...

Warren, I disagree, but that's not a surprise. The MSM has practically written her off before Super Tuesday and once again they, and the Obama campaign got it wrong. Sometimes BHO believes his own hype too much. It's easy to love the devil you don't know because you know too much about the devil you DO...

Obama does NOT walk on water...

Pretty soon I expect him to be clanging tambourines at his campaign stops. They're like fundamentalist revival meetings.

I use "I am Woman" (spoken word) whenever I'm surrounded by a pile of paper on my desk at work... that glass ceiling is getting lower.. lol

"The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nghdLS8wMfI

Just call me old and cynical
Jack

I am going to check iTunes... I am curious... yes I have it on my list.
I am Woman
Delta Dawn
Angie Baby
Somewhere in the Night
Ain't No Way to Treat a Lady
Leave Me Alone
Peaceful
You're My World

The best of Helen Reddy.. WOO - HOO...

Warren

Life would be a lot duller too.

I can handle it ;-)

I waited 50 years for this one "Never gonna let her go"

Jack

Brain said at 1:08 "It's not her gender that bring fourths an ewwwwwwwwwwww you twit. It's her voice and style, decided a mediocre singer in every respect. And stop accusing people of hating women who don't agree with you, it makes you look like a one issue cliche'.

Also there is no one who speaks for all women, or all men for that matter. "

I still can't fault her for her singing abilities even though you decided to barb by calling me a TWIT.

People indulge in "leveling" when they feel the need to bring someone else tdown to the perception of their own level"

Eurotom shuffles a bit with his hands in his pockets, whistling and thinking "it's only a movie... it's not real.. it's only a movie."

Ok
The optimist in this collective that live in my head said I've got to post this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCX3ZNDZAwY

Jack

Congrats Jack - the "one" is tough to find. But of course fun to look for.

I am still looking myself. Maybe it is Patsi! ; )

"It's so nice to be insane
No one asks you to explain,
Radio by your side...
Angie Baby"

I promise I will try not to bash Craig's employer (which will be really hard)....
But ....
Tom Brokaw was on A Daily Show and espressed it best when he referred Chris Matthews as having “Political Tourettes” .

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=156232&title=tom-brokaw

Warren are you some hot blooded casanova lovin' and leavin' the women you get involved with? :-)

True love is worth pursuing. Having a companion, a friend, a lover, a mate, all rolled up into one is a nice way to live. In my experience, It is challenging but it's worth the work.

You know what? I don't care who in the music industry thinks of someone else as a standing joke. I love all kinds of music and it doesn't bother me a bit what some arrogant jackasses in the industry have to say about artists.

I like Helen Reddy
I LOVE Cher
I still listen to my Partridge Family records
I like Dean Martin, Doris Day.. and I don't give a flying fck what the musical elitists have to say.

more dylan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srgi2DkDbPU

LOL
I gotta quit this I could dig around you tube all day.

Jack

What's your definition of 'twitish"?

Sting and barb and toss the ball last.

Does one ever interpret incorrectly?

Hillary's new theme song for all you Texicans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySNON249yes

Jack

chickadee ... "he who cannot be named" is gone for a while. Take it from me, it's not worth engaging with him. He's got the grace of an American standing in a Paris restaurant and barking "you're going to have to speak another language than THAT if you expect ME to understand you"...

Chalk it up to "men behaving badly". What's most interesting is that even when someone is incredibly negative or insults someone else taste, the person still has his/her own enablers in the blog whom will take you to task for pushing back.

And on that note, we should all try to be tolerant...

EuroTom:

I am not a "hot blooded casanova lovin' and leavin' the women you get involved with" - even though sometimes I think that would be cool.

In reality, I tend to go from one long-term serious relationship to another - with significant periods of solitude mixed in between.

I prefer quality over quantity.

EuroTom commented at 1:35 "True love is worth pursuing. Having a companion, a friend, a lover, a mate, all rolled up into one is a nice way to live. In my experience, It is challenging but it's worth the work".

EuroTom----asked to define "Do you like women" ....

Do you like women other than your mothers?
Do you consider women to be equals?
Are you intimidated by strong independent women ?
Do you appreciate women who think for themselves?
Do you appreciate the grinding role of the "super moms"?
Is your time more important than a woman's?
Are you verbally, emotionally, or physical abusive.?
How do you speak about women when your with the guys only?

EuroTom---you are a gentleman.

Texas replys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDS5JimKQg

Jack

Chickadee:

For most of my life I have viewed women as superior to men.

I am starting to reconsider. More and more I see women engaging in all the dumb shit men do - so I am beginning to think we may be equal.

Warren---I agree with you---it's a sign of the times.

I like to also refer to equals in a sense of the good things about men/women also.

Ok everbody calm down. Go to lunch get something to eat, get you tummies full and everybody will feel better. Trust me

So how do you all feel about a little guacamole.

I think I found a good recipe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIW2Teg4F6k

Jack

"And on that note, we should all try to be tolerant..."

EuroTom..... a long time ago... a conservative... and a friend, I might add..... told me that liberals were always touting the fact that they were more tolerant of others' opinions until they were disagreed with.....

considering how some around here have been trying to control what others can and cannot post on this blog...... I now see my friend's point....

how 'bout some cheese enchiladas? just made a huge batch.

EuroTom 1:47-----bingo!

All this blogging is making me nauseous. Well, that and the hang over.

Anyways, I need to take a break.

Hasta luego.

everyone's ok with me.. as long as you dont mention celine :)

duly noted, tylenol.

advocating for a candidate could be viewed as intolerant, however, I see it as just advocating for a candidate (trolls excepted).

nanny! what the heck do the weather gods have against us??? i havent seen this much snow in 10 years. This is proof that "global warming' is a misnomer.. that "climate change" is far more accurate.

tylenol...
then let me advocate for celine...... :0)

nannymm..... please pass the enchiladas over here.....

how about some refried beans....... que no.....

lets get back to my favorite subject,
Trouble for the Republicans!!!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8398.html

The National Republican Congressional Committee is being investigated by the FBI.
Hey the more money they have to pay for lawyers the less they canspend on dirty tricks.

Jack

Couldn't stay away...

Check out this quote from Bill:

"I will do what I'm asked to do," Clinton said. "I will not be in the Cabinet. I will not be on the staff full-time. I will not in any way interfere with the work of a strong vice president, strong secretary of state, strong secretary of treasury."

So it looks like more effective use could be made of Bill in the Obama administration. He could actually have an official role.

I like Bill Clinton - that is why I am voting for Barack Obama.

I am trying to understand something. Last week at any Obama rally it was very upbeat, today I am watching a Obama rally in Seattle Wa and he is very and I mean low keyed. This same style was used yesterday at his press conference. Forget that you like or dislike him, which party he belongs to. I just want to understand why his staff is going down this path. This guy had the media eating out of his hand. Hillary is in Tacoma Wa, and it is very upbeat. Just interesting styles.

WJack....
great news!

GO DEMOCRATS!

Jack sets a cast iron skillet full of Puerco y frijoles done over an open fire Mexicano construction worker style. Next to it a plate of hand made tortillas.

and some music to fit the meal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Bl2_4KtFg

Jack

O got very testie on some of the questions. His true character is starting to come out.

The guy is tired. Moreover, he is authentic. In other words, everytime you see him - he does not have on one of those fake political smiles. Very refreshing if you ask me.

RR .. lol

I believe I said advocate for candidates.. celine MUST stay in the states.. it's fine by us..

They all are tired. I just think it's a new style that I don't think will generate any excitement. The wave can't last forever but when you got it, take advantgage of it. On the news who wants to hear the low key stuff. They may play the testie part to get a story out of it. The media is just waiting for him to screw up. Hannity and crew will jump right on it.

ATTENTION: All you great writters, Hillary needs letters written to local newspapers expressing why you want her to be the next president.

I just got a call from one of the staffers who is working on her campagain here in WI. The papers all seem to be going the other way; especially because of our governor endorsing him.

Thanks for your anticipated cooperation in this matter. Linda

tylenol, snow day for the kids yesterday and half day today due to snow, ready to pull my hair out!! my grandson and his friends have been here making a racket! the weather gods must hate peace and quiet. at least MY peace and quiet. LOL
renee, got the beans here too. and the rice. gonna be a good dinner tonight.

Now if I were to ask you what a "fake political smile" is would that be interpreted negatively.

I am one who likes to understand a person's authentic meaning before I put a lance through their heart.

I don't want him to be fake, he's getting better by the day, I just don't think that style works.

It comes across to me as your angry.

Chickadee:

Did you see Hillary on the Hallmark channel before Super Tuesday?

It played like an infomercial. There were plenty of fake political smiles as well as canned questions and canned answers.

LOL

This my candidate >your candidate back and forth is starting to remind me of lawyers.

My lawyer is a vigorous advocate just looking after my interest.

My exwife's lawyer was a scum sucking lowlife out to steal everything he could lay his hands on.

Jack

"got the beans here too. and the rice. gonna be a good dinner tonight"

No pollo ?

Jack

no meat today, jack. i'm catholic.

Oh yes--I saw her on the Hallmark channel.

I saw her as worn out and her voice was croaking like a frog.

Kind of like when I put on a happy face when I feel like crap, but I have a job to do.

nanny -- I thought meatless Fridays were over now....is that still in effect? I still remember bringing a sandwich every Friday because we always had fish sticks....and in my day, fish sticks were not particularly appetizing! Quite a few of my Catholic friends brought peanut butter and jelly to avoid them, as well....

Patsi-
It's Lent. : (
~g

The hallmark special stunk. That was not a good style either.

It was to staged.

Did anyone see an on air apology by MSNBC....I'm boycotting for a while to lower my blood pressure.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/02/08/politics/p112844S74.DTL&type=politics

"Kind of like when I put on a happy face when I feel like crap, but I have a job to do. "

Now that is a personal connection.

Maybe that is why I am uncommited. I truly don't have a personal connection to either candidate.

Jack

Chickadee:

I am just saying that the constant "we're really super excited to be here" vibe of the Clinton campaign is a bit contrived.

But I realize that type of stuff works and I am sometimes disadvantaged when I don't put on a happy face. But such is life.

"It's Lent. : ("

Aha! Thanks...I was starting to smell that old cafeteria fish stick Friday oder!

patsi, there are still a few days of fast and abstinence. fridays in lent are days to fast. on ash wednesday and good friday we fast and abstain from eating meat. That is why the enchiladas are all cheese.

Gidget:

I just read that article and it is troubling.

I think Shuster's comment was in poor taste - but I would hope people on this board do not think he should be taken off the air for it.

If he is kicked off - that would seem a bit Fascist to me.

Warren-
Absolutely not...it was in questionable taste or wording but that's it....I was just wondering how MSNBC worded the apology...
~g

Warren-
also....if HRC's campaign is going to boycott ever network that has said something "mean" about her or BC or CC...she will be relagated to C-SPAN. : )
~g

Shushttp://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/08/msnbcs_shuster_to_offer_onair_1.htmlter will be on Tucker tonight

I hear ya Gidget.

I think complaining about the liberal media unfairly portraying Hillary and the politics of fear (compare "we don't know Obama" with "we don't know what will happen if we leave Iraq") - sounds a lot more like Bush than Change.

Sorry, my DSL is going nuts the last few days.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/08/msnbcs_shuster_to_offer_onair_1.html

What the heck is the matter with Donna Brazile? I imagine she was part of the organizational structure within the DNC that created the "Super-Delegates"? What's her beef? And as a prominent member of the Democratic Party, it hardly seems mature for her to say "do this, or I'll take all my marbles with me and NEVER come back.

DONNA ! DONNA ! DONNA !
bare your soul to us!
we're a nice, yet nutty group and we WANT to feel your pain.

Actually it would be really cool if Donna did visit this blog. I'd love to learn more about how she feels about the election, the candidates, and the phantom SUPER - Delegates.

Ever upward and FORWARD... I'm gonna go watch The Doris Day Show... back to a more civil, and innocent time.

xoxoxoxoxo

Oh yeah, if you want, check out my MySpace... There is a REALLY cool song on there by an actor/singer-songwriter named Terence Jay called "Demon" and it was the closing song from the film "Buried Alive". The player will start automatically.

If you got My Space, you can be my friend... :-p

http://www.myspace.com/eurotom

Clinton/Obama 2008

This isn't the first time David Shuster overloaded his big fat mouth, but this one will bite him in the ass. Guess David actually started believing he was a somebody in the news arena.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UMAS3O0&show_article=1

another reminder of what the election is about

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/cheney-whats-so

Jack

CRAIG

when are you going to comment about the MSNBC network and the 'pimp' comment????????

Jack-
Thanks for the reality check.
~g

" That is why the enchiladas are all cheese."

That works for me! I like cheese (and onion) enchaladas better than beef or chicken anyway!

I think Obama would gain a LOT by being Vice-President! The devil would be in the details, but I think Obama would have a high profile role such as Al Gore did in the Clinton White House. I was going to say such as Dick Cheney, but he's just a grumpy old troll who always hiding away in his "undisclosed location". Do you think he watches "24" too much?

Fry, where the hell you been? Without you around, we've been forced to tear at each other. You would have been enjoying the recent carnage here - and I'm sure you were if you've been lurking. :-)

"CRAIG

"when are you going to comment about the MSNBC network and the 'pimp' comment????????" -- Posted by: zumper

it's time for tom brokaw to take some folks to the woodshed

Craig-
I hope it's a woodshed big enough for Tucker, too. : )
~g

Good comment Craig !

Craig

there are days when it seems to me that Tom is counting out the days to the end of his contract. He is begining to have that "the money is not worth it" look when dealing with the bunch.

jack

I just saw a clip with Tucker Carlson and I thought he was such a lightweight. He would sort of "hop on" to whatever his "guest" said. Also, doesn't he look like a kid who snuck out of school on a falsified "hall pass"?

I only wish NBC/MSNBC would have taken this kind of action when Shuster ridiculed our military men and women who were serving over in Iraq. But back then he was provided cover by Matthews, as Matthew's was on the John Murtha's bandwagon at the time. What goes around, comes around.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/politics/shuster_suspended_for_pimped_out_comment_77059.asp

ET, you are in very good company in your opinion of Tucker - he's the snotty fratboy puke who has to hang out with his buddies in the bar so he doesn't get his ass kicked by someone who one of his smart assed comment pissed off. Beyond that, he's a typical clever prick sophist whose analysis of every issue is superficial and assumes the truth of his conclusion.

ahh pogo,

Eating your own these days. lol. Actually I have been sort of working. The word is "sort of". I try to at least read what has been going on here but lately I have not had that pleasure. I have been paying close attention the the Hillary and Obama race. What is funny several weeks ago the R's still had 8 people up there on the stage and now there is just really 1. The Huckster is there for window dressing I guess. Now it looks like the D's are going to take this fight the convention floor before we learn who will be your nominee.

It looks like things are going pretty well here today. Here's something I read today about one of my favorite Americans, and I thought I'd share it. We got it in ExecLeadership.com (February 2008) and it cites "Peter Drucker on Leadership".

"Effectiveness is more important than charisma. The most charismatic leaders of trhe 20th century, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Mussolini were dead wrong. 'Look, one of the most effective American presidents of the last 100 years was Harry Truman' Drucker said. 'He didn't have an ounce of charisma. Truman was as bland as a dead mackerel. Everybody who worked for him worshipped him because he was absolutely trustworthy.' "

I had a little more regard for President Truman's personality than Mr. Drucker does, but I'm with Drucker on his basic point, and I wish any one of today's candidates could be counted on to show that very Trumanesque trait. I haven't seen it yet.

EuroTom,

Tucker Carlson is Ferris Bueller without the sincerity.

yeah, Fry, it's been pretty exciting. People getting all pissed off, taking things personally, going away.

I'd be interested in hearing the opposition take on the Obama-Clinton battle.

Just got back from Hillary Clinton's town hall at the University of Puget Sound in Tacoma, WA. It was held in the Fieldhouse, which holds about 6,000. It was filled, but not overflowing. There were several groups there...nurses, AFSCME in bright green t-shirts, others...and they were seated together behind her. Made for some good shots for tv cameras.

As always, I was impressed with Clinton's command of the issues. She DOES know whereof she speaks. I made no attempt to get close to her...it was enough to get the opportunity to be in the same room with someone who serves our country at that level. I think it's wonderful that the campaign reached WA state...and that's one of the reasons I'd love to see the Electoral College disappear. Make them campaign to EVERYONE in order to win, rather than only those states that still matter during the various stages of the campaign.

Obama is speaking now at Key Arena in Seattle. I couldn't make it up there, but the news is reporting that the Key is filled (holds about 17,000), and that thousands were unable to get in, even after standing in line for hours.

Clinton is endorsed by both of WA's senators...Murray and Cantwell. Obama is endorsed by Rep. Adam Smith, Gov. Chris Gregoire, and Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels.

Craig, If Tom takes them to the woodshed, can you get us tickets? PLEASE????? THAT would be fun to watch!!

Patsi, did I forget to mention onions? My bad. Five dozen with onions: one dozen without for my son and grandson. So shall I set an extra place at the table?

i cant believe shuster was suspended for that comment which i believe is true. chelsea is being pimped out by her parents which will do or say anything to get elected. cant believe nbc did that. billiary threatening to not participate in debates is a sham she is so desperate for coverage she would appear on a russian network to get coverage.

I had to read a Peter Drucker book in my first quarter of Public Administration. I really did NOT like his take on government at all. He felt government could not provide services to people. He seemed to be far more interested in privatization, and supporting the corporate state. Now this was 17 years ago, so it's a bit of a blur, but he struck me as a sort of Milton Friedman but with more of a heart.

hw, I envy you - the likelihood that either of the candidates will come anywhere in WV within driving distance of me is remote.

Actually, your comment about electoral votes is one that hasn't really been brought up here, and is likely to affect the superdelegates, who will be looking to put the candidate who can win more electoral votes than McCain into the top spot. IMHO, they will look to see who did better in the most delegate rich states and in the swing states and will go that way. I figure that Clinton's campaign expects that is what would happen in a brokered convention, so no matter how well Obama does in the smaller caucus states from this point forward, I don't see her conceding "for the good of the party."

Who's gonna take John R. to the woodshed?

I volunteer

I have been on the road the past couple of days so I am not familiar with this Chelsea Clinton pimped out comment. What was he trying to point out?

I am down here in Texas and I am wondering if you have any exposure to Christian talk radio in other parts of the country. I ask this because they are just apoplectic over the Remarks of James Dobson with regards to John McCain and his inability to vote for him. I have listened to some interesting debate from evangelical Christians who wish to follow Dobson, but are torn between pinching their noses and voting for him anyway.

I am wondering if that discussion is happening elsewhere right now.

John R.. hmm John Republican.. troll?

Craig, this question is directed towards you.

At what point do you think their will be outright political hostility amongst the Latino and AA "wings" of the Democratic party.

I know how protective the Black community is of their political clout and I wonder what type or resentment would be unleashed with a Hillary Clinton victory. I don't have any particular event to point to as a basis for this question, more of an uneasy gut feeling instead. I would love your opinion since you have been ahead of the pack in most everything else in this campaign.

pogo...

It was thrilling to see the candidates here! Every citizen should have the opportunity to see and hear them all. I envy Zoey and Spike and Ally and all our NH contingent. They get to meet the candidates in ways that the rest of us can only dream of. (Speaking of which, I wonder if Mitt's chosen his Iowa summer home yet...2012 looms.)

Well, we both know who's won the larger, more delegate-rich states so far. But I wouldn't concede if I were in either of their shoes. This really is a fascinating campaign, and we MAY have the most interesting convention I've seen since Chicago in '68.

Listen to Matthew on this video, or is this old news to everyone here? Off to tutor.

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/02/08/a-bad-day-for-sexism-is-a-good-day-for-women/

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/
Hmmmm.....I wonder if Shuster was "suspended" because of his Chesea comment or because he crossed Joe Scarborough?
5th story down...
~g

"Clinton is endorsed by both of WA's senators...Murray and Cantwell. Obama is endorsed by Rep. Adam Smith, Gov. Chris Gregoire, and Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels."
Posted by: harborwoman | February 8, 2008 4:31 PM

I am sorry to hear that Hillary had a smaller crowd, but not surprised. With the caucus system in place for the Democrats Hillary hasn't a chance to win the state. I still have to write to my ex-boss Dwight Pelz and complain that the primary vote won't be counted.

Harborwoman it's fun to see these names again.

I interviewed Patty Murray on my own show at KAOS Radio in Olympia Washington when she was first running for the U.S. Senate. We had a very good 30 minute talk, serious, talking about the issues. I remember she was billed as "the mom in tennis shoes". I can't remember who was running against her.

I used to be in Adam Smith's district but I registered into OIympia proper because I could at least have a chance at voting for democrats who could win. Unincorporated Thurston County, and then down to Longview etc, is very right wing. I voted but I didn't really see the point.

I attended community college with Greg Nickels kid brother Tommy. He was shy, but nice and we could see clearly that Greg was going to make a splash in politics. I was writing for Seattle Gay News then, and I think.. Greg was working for former Seattle Mayor Norm Rice, as I recall. Norm was a good Seattle mayor. Maria Cantwell is one of my heros because she "Dethroned" Skeletor, aka Senator Slade Gorton who admittedly moved to Washington State because a Republican could not get elected to the U.S. Senate. When running for his first term he told friends back in MA that he would be "the third Senator from Massachusetts" and STILL he got elected. Slade was like cold sore that wouldn't go away. He was defeated by Brock Adams in '86 and then went on to defeat my hero: Mike Lowry for U.S. Senate.

Good to hear some of the names again and think back to the memories.
Let's hope Christine Gregoire wins re-election (this year?)

Only watching on tv, but Obama just did something fascinating. He noticed a young woman in the crowd who seemed to be in some distress...he said she seemed 'faint'. At first, it looked as if he tossed her a bottle of water, then a few seconds later, he stopped his speech and directly addressed the need to get her to a chair, and get an EMT to her, though he kept stressing that she would be fine, just looked like she hadn't eaten or something. Nice gesture. Then he said, "Now where was I"...and resumed speaking.

hw, indeed it is a fascinating campaign.

heheheheh For the once in a very great while that I agree with Ridley, here's his take on conservative talkers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-ridley/does-conservative-talk-st_b_84536.html

Well, duty calls - a weekend of more basketball than I care to shuttle Little Pogo to and attend, but I must. Have a good weekend.

Hey,

Anyone know how far out the campaigns publish their schedules? I am wondering who will be where in TX and when they will be here...

EMILY's List got into the action earlier today, announcing President Ellen Malcolm sent a letter to MSNBC News Senior Vice President Phil Griffin, stating: "The half hearted apology by Mr. Shuster this morning fails to even acknowledge the insulting nature of his comments. Your tolerance for this behavior speaks volumes about the corporate culture of MSNBC. If you refuse to take action, women across the country, viewers, sponsors, and consumers can only assume your implicit endorsement of this type of sexist commentary on women and repugnant treatment of our children."

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/02/msnbcs_shuster_1.html

Obama didn't touch her forehead and heal her , Harbor? I'm kidding! LOL!

Bear:

I think Shuster was trying to point out that there is something unseemly about a candidate's daughter calling superdelegates in an effort to sway their opinion.

I agree with the sentiment and disagree with the delivery.

I don't think Wolfson should overplay his hand on this one. That guy is like a rabid attack dog sent out to destroy any criticism - fair or unfair - of Hillary.

Granted, the same charge could be made about me, but:

-This is a blog

-I do not work for the Obama campaign

I am curious, who here thought Shuster's comment was offensive?

What if it was directed towards the Bush twins? Would this group be so loudly protesting?

Are we headed towards another Imus type moment?

What if he said it about Michelle Obama?

Take heart, EuroTom. I think today is Obama's only campaign stop in WA. Clinton spoke to about 5,000 in Seattle last night, and is going on to another town hall in Spokane this afternoon. One of her comments in Tacoma was that Seattle wasn't the ony place in WA...an obvious jab at other campaigns.

oh balderdash Warren. If Chelsea didn't want to work on her mother's campaign, she would have made it very clear. She's doing this because she LOVES her mother, KNOWS her mother and BELIEVES in what her mother is trying to do to make America the great place it once was. And you know what? If the Obama children were older and wanted to help Dad with his campaign, it would not be an issue. John Kerry's daughters campaigned constantly for him.

What's the problem here ? Seriously!

If you can't pimp out your own kid , what's the good in having them? I mean , I can see Chelsea wanting to help out her Mom's campaign. As long as she wants to do it , what's the problem with that?

Well Pimp,

I draw a distinction between a spouse and a child of a candidate I guess. Personally, I think that campaigns have devolved to a point where the entire family is being whored out.
Seriously, why do we need to see a candidates kids on stage. All you end up doing is critiquing their behavior, their close, or in Chelsea's case, how she got her mother's wide hips. I don't think that makes the candidate any more knowledgeable or viable does it?

On a different note, some new from Linc Chaffee, former Republican Senator from RI...

http://www.projo.com/news/politics/content/chafee_vote_02-08-08_A88UCGM_v13.37f3a0e.html

Living in Olympia for 10 of my 14 Washington State years, I can tell you there was a big rub over Seattle's image as "THE CITY" in the state. Even Seattle got credited with the grunge and underground music scene, which had its roots at KAOS radio, The Evergreen State College, Calvin Johnson, and a group of young guys who used to play on campus for FREE BEER. They were called Nirvana.

Corey...I'm sure he would have, but even Obama's reach has its limits....

close should be clothes...sorry...

EuroTom:

Then Chelsea can express all those things publicly. It is quite a different thing to make private calls to the superdelegates.

It is a form of strong-arming.

I wrote to Linc Chaffee after his loss and urged him to join the Democratic party. He really is a decent man. If he votes for Obama in the R.I. primary I say "good for him!" I'd prefer he vote for Hillary, but the important thing is that Linc can cast his own judgement free of any undue influence from either power. He is free to follow his conscience and his heart.

Is it up to men to determine Chelsea's "place" in a campaign? I'd say it's up to Chelsea... sorry, but I think you are looking for reasons to criticise what she wants to do to help her mother's campaign.

And by strong-arming - I mean it is difficult to tell someone - "No, I won't vote for your mother."

A question? Did most of the Clinton supporters hit the road too over the brouhaha with the disgruntled Obama supporters? Seems to be fewer folks around?

Clearly "strong-arming" and "politics" do not go together! I am outraged and shocked :-)

I know Chelsea called the women of "The View"...did she also call super delegates?

And, Bear, I found Schuster's comment offensive because his language was crude, vulgar, and inappropriate for reporting on tv and for reporting about presidential candidates. I suspect there would be quite a hue and cry if it had been said about Obama's children...or his wife.

EuroTom:

That is a another cheap attempt to inject a feminist issue into this debate.

It would not matter if it was Chelsea or Chuck Clinton.

This polarizing type of rhetoric will not serve the Dems well my friend.

This Clinton supporter is pretty busy. I generally check in to see what is going on..If there is a lot of nonsense going on..I have better things to do..bye for now..

Yes, EuroTom, some of the Clinton supporters are also so hurt that they've taken temporary breaks. Many of us on this list had formed cyber-friendships that have been damaged by recent events. It's a shame, but it's a fact.

I should return to my self-imposed exile, but I couldn't resist reporting about the Clinton town hall. That got me started, then I just couldn't seem to stop....

The AP reported that Chelsea called superdelegates.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080208/ap_on_el_pr/msnbc_clinton

pogo.

I try to stay out of it when the D's start attacking one another. I see it on the same level of a lion kill. The 1 pride stalks, chases down and kills their prey, and then along comes some freeloading male looking to capitalize off the pride's hard work. Can you tell I watch a lot of National Geographic?

Warren, perhaps I see it from a different light. I trust Chelsea, as a young, articulate, and educated woman to make the decisions she deems appropriate in helping her mother's campaign. I just can't, in any sense of the word, accept that this characterization was anything but another way to throw a "smear" Hillary's way. It's another cheap attempt to suggest that for Hillary, winning is everything, even using her daughter in a cheap and tawdry way.

I've said all I want to say on this.

harborwoman,

I see we agree on something. It was crude and very offensive.

That lion kill talk got me hungry. Time to eat.

EuroTom:

I think it is one thing to have Sen. McCaskill make a call on Obama's behalf. I think in that scenario - a Hillary supporter could debate the merits of the argument. But again, having Chelsea do it make it all too personal.

Is someone going to tell Chelsea that they won't vote for her mother because she is devisive or because a large part of the country does not like her. Seems pretty awkward to me.

Since Chelsea is over 18 , I would think she isn't being forced into doing this. I'm sure, if she didn't want to be doing this , she wouldn't be doing this.

Warren...

I don't know whether or not it's inappropriate to call super-delegates, but I'd bet both campaigns would do it to leverage anything they can to their advantage. It doesn't seem that awful to me.

Hey guys ... long time no see. I'm sorry if things got insane on here in the last couple of days.

I hope I didn't say anything that offended any one, if I did, my sincere apologies.

I've been out of the loop for a couple of days and it looks like all hell has broken lose on this board and at CNN/MSNBC.

It's interesting, Shuster's comment is getting play on the blogs but I haven't seen much about Lou Dobbs' ADL remark. Was Keith the only guy that talked about it?

"Patsi, did I forget to mention onions? My bad. Five dozen with onions: one dozen without for my son and grandson. So shall I set an extra place at the table?"

Can you either post your recipe for cheese & onion enchaladas or email me???? Thanks....I'm always looking to upgrade my Mexican food.

GAK...What's an ADL remark?

fry...

We probably agree on far more than we know. We just disagree on some major issues....

GAKaren, I missed Dobbs' comment. What did he say?

Patsi: I hope things will be okay with your friend's daughter. It's a terrible thing, especially in someone so young. She'll be in my prayers. God Bless all of you.

" or in Chelsea's case, how she got her mother's wide hips."

Bear, this seems unlike you. What a low statement. Robin Morgan was right.

Patsi. email me at mary at m3miller dot com. I'll send ya the recipe. Want the recipe for the homemade enchilada sauce too? Got it from an elderly Mexican woman when I live on the border.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802060006
Lou Dobbs comments on the ADL earned him WPiTW last night.
`g

Nanny: He said that the ADL was "a joke."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802060006?lid=44607&rid=3119849

Lou is having a tough time keeping his Imperial Wizard togs covered by his business suit. Is it just me? He is becoming increasingly unstable with all this anti-immigrant stuff.

Thanks Gidget! LOL

HarborW.....
great to see you here and thanks for posting about the Clinton rally....

I played on here for too long for a few days and am now paying the piper....
or in other words..... working my azz off.....

EuroTom..... I heard Donna Brazile say on CNN that she IS a super delegate....

Bear..... the Imus debacle was my first thought upon looking at the Shuster suspended link..... I thought it was unfair to Imus and even though I think Shuster's remark was stupid..... an apology was all that was necessary....

Fry.... good to see you around too....

Karen and Gidget, Thanks. Dobbs needs a long vacation.

Why is that you guys are always talking food when I'm so hungry?

NBC NEWS STATEMENT REGARDING CHELSEA CLINTON COMMENT:

On Thursday's "Tucker" on MSNBC, David Shuster, who was serving as guest-host of the program, made a comment about Chelsea Clinton and the Clinton campaign that was irresponsible and inappropriate. Shuster, who apologized this morning on MSNBC and will again this evening, has been suspended from appearing on all NBC News broadcasts, other than to make his apology. He has also extended an apology to the Clinton family. NBC News takes these matters seriously, and offers our sincere regrets to the Clintons for the remarks.
After being called by the Clinton campaign, "Shuster stood his ground". The arrogance is stunning. But considering that Chris Matthews said Republicans would "kill" Clinton, it's not surprising. MSNBC pundits have absolutely no impulse control. It's tantamount to raging hormone juveniles let loose with a network.

More: http://www.taylormarsh.com/

RR: Looks like Shuster is paying the price for all the rampant Clinton bashing on MSNBC.

I think his comment was digusting too, but I don't know if he should be suspended. If they started suspending all their on-air talent for inappropriate remarks I think they'd be showing "To Catch a Predator" 24/7.

I was upset with Shuster last night, but it wasn't the pimp remark that set me off. I took his main complaint to be that Chelsea is off limits to the press. He thinks since she's reported to be calling super-delegates, he should be able to grill her on anything he wants to regarding her mother's campaign.

Chelsea is helping out in the family business, and it's not NEWS. If she was backing Obama, or hiding out in Canada, that might be newsworthy. Perhaps Mr. Shuster would like to ask Peyton Manning why he was cheering for the NFC team in the Super Bowl, when he plays in the AFC.

Bill Press reminded Shuster that Chelsea has Secret Service protection. He said, You can go ask her, but she doesn't have to answer you."

Warren,

If super-delegates feel strong armed by a phone call from Hillary's 28 year-old daughter, they'd better hide under the desk when Hillary or President Clinton show up on their caller ID. I'd have no trouble being polite to a candidate or his or her family member, then hanging up the phone and voting as I chose.

RR-
Farther up the thread, Craig posted that maybe Tom (Brokow) might need to take someone to the woodshed....I think that's what happened to DS...as a warning to all the others that have been or might be thinking of stepping over the line...this can happen to you too.
~g

"I don't know if he should be suspended. If they started suspending all their on-air talent for inappropriate remarks I think they'd be showing "To Catch a Predator" 24/7."

Posted by: GAKaren | February 8, 2008 5:58 PM

or they could show old reruns of Unsolved Mysteries. I used to LOVE that show... really. It was like "True Detective" magazine acted out . My favourites were when "lost loves" would find each other again. Had to always have kleenex for those scenes.

Harborwoman I'm glad you didn't disappear for long... STAY STAY... STAY !!

You have to wonder whether Abrams is getting any heat from the NBC suits with respect to bad behavior by his show hosts.

FWIW, I agree that the Clinton campaign should not overplay their hand with this. They may need to be even tougher after the next atrocity MSNBC commits.

Is there any place that has the latest poll numbers for tomorrows election or does anybody know what they are.

MY GOD, is Chelsea really 28??? WOW how time flies....

Maine and the ones on Tuesday

I heard Hillary is going to have an event in Manassas, VA, does anybody know where and when

Thanks for the url

As for the apology I just watched, I like David Shuster and I'd like to take him at his word, but I don't remember him saying anything about how wonderful Chelsea is in last night's broadcast. That's not to say he didn"t do it, but I'd like to hear it again, or see a transcript. At the moment, I'm a skeptic.

I think suspending Shuster is caving in, but then again, I'm an Imus fan.

This is what it says on her website. Perhaps they'll post more detail later. Just google Hillary Clinton and you'll find her campaign website.

* 02/09: Join President Bill Clinton for a "Solutions for America" town hall in Chesapeake!
* 02/09: Join President Bill Clinton for a "Solutions for America" Town Hall in Abingdon!
* 02/09: Join President Bill Clinton for a "Solutions for America" town hall in Blacksburg!
* 02/10: Join Hillary for a "Solutions for America" Town Hall in Manassas!
* 02/10: Join Hillary for a "Solutions for America" Town Hall in Roanoke!

" I'll send ya the recipe. Want the recipe for the homemade enchilada sauce too? Got it from an elderly Mexican woman when I live on the border."

I'll email you! Thanks....and sure I want the sauce recipe!

MSNBC has had their people say there sorry a lot lately. What's going on there. Trying to get some ratings from CNN and FOX.

welcome back ,harbor,

About Imus, I thought what he said about that girls basketball team, was really repugnant. I didn't agree with people demanding his head on a platter and losing his job, but he was pretty stupid with all the "nappy haired ho's" diatribe. As good as he is, he also deserved a bit of "dressing down"

Thanks for the info on the rallies, I checked this morning and did not see it.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/actioncenter/event/view/?id=9013
This link will show the Manasas event.

nam myoho renge kyo

A "joke" made by John McCain:
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

AAbsolutely disgusting!!!

Thanks for the informative and entertaining blog .. I am off to bed, it's 12:30 am and I am exhausted !!!

I don't think a suspension was called for either. But he did deserve a bitchslap. :)

thanks, nanny!

the shuster was unfairly targeted and treated, how can the liars and slicksters billiary and company appear on fox tv for anything after they have been called everything from murderers to rapist etc... but then have the nerve to say they might not participate in prez debate msnbc? what a bunch of pathetic sorry losers

I have generally had a positive vibe about Schuster, I thought he was a pretty good reporter. I haven't been watching much MSNBC recently so I'm not up on the antics of Schuster, Tweety & MOJO....

From what I have read I see his comments as stupid and demeaning. It seems like he was trying to be hip and with it instead of being a reporter. I think a suspension is appropriate. When kids do stuff like this they get Timeouts. This is his, I hope it doesn't end his career, but helps him develop a more mature reporting personna. I think he is to smart to end up covering human interest stories & traffic in Wichita or Great Falls.

Patsi,

Who is Robin Morgan?

With regards to David Schuster, he is a very good investigative reporter...I am sure many here loved the work he did with regards to the Plame story.

With regards to Lou Dobbs, he called the Anti Defamation League a joke...

http://blogs.jta.org/telegraph/2008/02/06/lou-dobbs-calls-adl-a-joke/

David Shuster insults Chelsea Clinton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2St8qoXx1g

vadaryl

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/actioncenter/event/view/?id=9013

vadaryl

Are you going?

My husband and I will be going over to the rally.

Where, in VA, do you live?

the shuster'' what a dork

And if I have insulted anyone in Wichita or Great Falls, substitute Binghamton, NY & Scranton, PA

my take on the Shuster thing.. I like him.. but he said a really offensive thing -- When i was in radio we (onair ppl) were always raked over the coals for something we'd said.. I was suspended once -- I deserved it too -- when someone says something that inappropriate, they deserve to be suspended...I think they're all tired and say things they'd never say in other places or at other times.. I don't think Shuster has the same problem as Tweety.. Perhaps he would not have been suspended had he said 'I think it's unseemly that Chelsea is....".. "pimped out" is highly inappropriate..

The David Shuster Apology

"As for Shuster's apology, I'll let you be the judge. But considering he was dug in when this began I'd say this is a big win. Not for the political alone, but for what's right and should be expected of media professionals, especially talking heads who think they have the right to smear anyone they want without paying a price. I'm glad he's suspended, though we don't know for how long. "

Video: http://www.taylormarsh.com/

The mess at MSNBC
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802080011?f=h_column

VAdaryl

Here is the url for the Virginia appearances

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/hq/Virginia/

I am trying to find out if Shuster's suspension is with or without pay. Does anyone know?

Schuster, can talk anyway way he wants, just not while doing his job, broadcasting news and political opinions. I can't imagine anyone telling him to speak this way , unless they wanted to see him self-destruct.

He showed his sophomoric side, and missed an opportunity to be better then the rest. It was disrespectful to the whole political process and to our country.

chelsea is being pimped out... and she is not being smeared. there is a lot of stuff that could have been reported about chelsea that hasnt been because of the dont mess with prez children policy. but i will make this prediction and u can say u heard it first here--the tabloids will begin to release a lot of stuff on her and she will become a issue in this campaign.

a 'lot of stuff' john? from all accounts, she's a lovely woman..

tylenol, it's snowing again!!! and more snow on the way this weekend. too bad i can't ski anymore.

Shuster is a good looking guy , isn't he?

While I think what Shuster said was just plain stupid and rude, that this is the thing the Clinton campaign is going after MSNBC over is just as dumb. I don't think they would be wise to overplay their hand, threaten boycotts etc. Enough with the victim talk. MSNBC is a lost cause.

I'd love to boycott MSNBC advertisers. I have tried to find a published list, but have been unsuccessful.

Bear...a brief bio of Robin Morgan:

An award-winning poet, novelist, political theorist, feminist activist, journalist, editor, and best-selling author, Robin Morgan has published more than 20 books, including the now-classic anthologies Sisterhood Is Powerful (Random House, 1970) and Sisterhood Is Global (Doubleday, l984; updated edition, The Feminist Press, 1996); with the recent Sisterhood Is Forever: The Women's Anthology for A New Millennium (Washington Square Press, Simon & Schuster, 2003). A founder/leader of contemporary US feminism, she has also been a leader in the international women’s movement for 30 years.

When the media gets in trouble they should ask this question:

What would Walter do? And that's the way it is Friday, February 8, 2008

I think the smartest thing for Chelsea to do would be to say that she is a strong young woman and the words of a political pundit will do nothing to change that (which is what I wish the Rutgers women had done.) Accept the apology and move on. This guy is obviously an idiot and if you let people like that get to you, you risk looking like a victim. It's important for her to establish herself as the strong woman she is.

if shuster had said it in a restaurant, it wouldnt matter.. he said it ON THE AIR.. geeeeze.. ya CANT say some things on the air..

and if it were my daughter he'd said that about.. i'd be going after him too..

nanny... keep it south of the border por favor..

The Danger of Words
http://www.united.non-profit.nl/pages/info13.htm

shuster was a real dick when he was interviewing Ron Paul.......a real dick...........suspended? you cant suspend EVERYbody........

anyone know anything about polishing ornate brass?

but since I sense a real battle behind the scenes for the "soul" of msnbc.......hell, can the little creep.......

Thank you Keith.

polishing ornate brass? is that a euphemism? or do ya need some help ?? :)

WOW...KO just apologized....really apologized for DS comments...a much more sincere apology then DS uttered for himself. WTG, KO.
~G

Tyl......Help!

um..not to nit-pick, but why is KO apologizing for Shuster?

Tyl.....got an ornate brass floor lamp which is beyond ornate........laurels, ram's heads, fluted columns, floral rosettes.......etc.....many crevices.......brasso is out of the question, or so it would seem at first glance......

do ya have a polishing glove, sturge or are ya starting from scratch?

scratch

and ignorant to boot.

well.. i think it depends on how much time you want to take doing it.. brasso would work, but certainly would take ages.. i dont know of any other solvent, tho, that works as well as brasso... I'd clear a space on the floor and take my time if I were you... or you could call around and see how much it would cost to have it done..might be worth the expense..

orrrrr..i could take a trip to carolina and sit in your livingroom and take ..ohhh i dunno..maybe a month to do it? Snow should be gone here by then..

aye.....there's the rub.....I'm after the process of perhaps the easy way out......the elbow grease method I am conversant with and wish to quicken the process while still doing it myself.......

there's the rub indeed!

other than immersing said lamp in a solvent, i can't think of another way.. hang on..i'll hunt around on the web..

Just got a robo call from Huckabee reminding me to vote tomorrow, and asking for my vote. Have had a couple of other robo calls, but they were about local politics.

actually we're used to canadians coming down in the final months of snows.........quite the season in Myrtle Beach........the canadians are coming! the canadians are coming!

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/brass

might have some answers, sturge

aha! solve-ent.........now we cooking with grass.....

the canadians are coming eh?

This is interesting. Hillary to Participate Live in ABC7/POLITICO Candidate Forum
Obama Rejects Debate Invitation In Advance Of Chesapeake Primary

Tylenol,

I think KO is apologizing on behalf of the network because...

1. His is the highest rated show on the network.
2. He is fond of the former President and I am sure would like to stay in his good graces.
3. He has to say something in the wake of his Imus reaction, otherwise he would be hypocritical.
4. He was offended by those comments as well and didn't want them to reflect upon him...

As for your folks getting snow, I'm sorry, I was able to lay out today and even up my black complexion!

Patsi:

The caucuses are part of the nomination process. I think it is telling that when people have to get together and talk about who they want to be president - which takes a lot more that merely casting a ballot - Obama does better.

Do you think Obama should go around complaining about primaries?

I think this complaining about the caucuses is similar to the Clinton campaign's effort to re-write the rules on MI and FL.

Tyl.........thankos muchly......or mucus garcias, as kinky likes to say........
I'll follow it from there.....I was just hoping someone knew enough to say, "Go here and do THIS."

lol

VAdaryl,

You mentioned that Hillary will be campaigning in Manasass...do you know if it will be the 3rd battle of Bull Run?

one more bull........

Bear.. i have no doubt that KO's apology was real.. just seemed weird to be apologizing on behalf of someone else... I guess the snow is the reason for my pasty-whiter-than-white hue, Bear.. lol

It would be interesting if the vote in Fl went the other way and O would of won it. Would he of gone down to FL, be pushing for their vote to count. Would Hillary still be pushing for their vote.

what in the world did we all do without the web? Mr. Tylenol has been suffering from a pinched sciatic nerve since last Sunday and I was at my wits end by Wednesday night (well, so was he, but I was getting really tired of the crying).. anyway, I checked out a few MD sites, and voila!

The internets! A series of tubes!

STurgeone

Toothpaste and Worcester Sauce

http://www.ehow.com/how_86_polish-brass-copper.html

Sturgeone

This site is even better since it includes antique brass

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/brass

I did not realize that MSNBC did the following: MSNBC said Shuster, who apologized on the air for his comment, has been temporarily suspended from appearing on all NBC news broadcasts except to offer his apology.

"he's just better at getting caucus support"

Yeah, college boys whose parents are supporting them.

The caucuses are anti-democratic. They leave too many people in te dust -- older people, many working people, people with physical disabilities. Despite this particular election, these things are a travesty. There are a LOT of people who do not have the physical stamina to go somewhere and stand around for two hours. One person, one vote, the last time I checked. Unless you want to start putting limits on that.

jamie.. ahem.. ^^^ lol

a great start.......you cannot believe what this 5 foot tall mass of brass looks like......all solid brass.....im orstatic.....

dont take much to happy me up.

The Clintons have a lot to complain about. Want a list?

I have never been part of a caucuse but I do like the idea of getting together and discussing the different candidates before voting. But I think it should then be just a vote. I did not like what happened in WVA.

Ty

Second Time's The Charm?

then be just a vote. I did not like what happened in WVA.
--vadaryl

in 1960 or the other day?

by "the other day" of course, I meant to say "recently"

BHO video on Lary King now

The other day. Mitt won the first round and that should of been it.

*Larry

"Yes We Can" wasnt that Sammy Davis Jr's biography co-written by Frank.....cause you know....Frank calls the shots for all those guys.......

"yes we can" video

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY

"Yes We Can" video is a catchy little ditty, but to count on the youth vote is a mistake. At the end of the day, they don't vote. Ask Obama girl.

And can we stop debating who the underdog is. Like the rules, this is something that is decided before the game is played.

Did the Patriots "become" the underdog in the 3rd quarter of the Superbowl. Of course not.

And here, the establishment candidate with all the name recognition - who everyone thought was a lock to be the next president of the US - is not the underdog.

yes......not the first time the young have threatened to actually vote.......as I re-say

There is a car dealership in West Michigan and their slogan is "Yes We Can!" I was hoping I could find a video of one of their commercials online and post a link to it , but no such luck.

I can see that I will have to access another brownie, beer and zanex........

god bless.
---Red Skelton

I just got online and I am still reading other sites I visit. I came across this story about the FBI preparing businesses for Martial Law. Read it at the link below.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/FBI_program_alleged_to_prepare_businesses_0208.html

Will catch up as the night permits. Have early obligations to take care of and may not make it back until tomorrow though.

Take care and ...

God Bless.

The young are all talk and no action nowadays. To bad because they can make a big difference.

vadaryl.....uh.......nowadays?

damned whippersnappers.

Why are they not protesting the war?

Yes We Can!

http://www.seelyewrightkiabattlecreek.com/

Heading to dinner. Later peeps.

Let's see what they do in November.

vadaryl

Are you going to go to HRC's town hall, in Manassas on Sunday?

Did you get the info?

Join Hillary for a "Solutions for America" Town Hall in Manassas!
When
Sunday, February 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM - 2:00 PM

Where
Grace E. Metz Middle School, Gymnasium
9950 Wellington Rd
Manassas, VA 20110

Yes I did, thanks

vadaryl......they're not protesting the war because they arent being forced to fight it.......

that's true. Also they may feel it would not make a difference anyways. But they have a voice and should start using it again. One way is by voting.

youth is wasted on the very young

---GB Shaw

vadaryl

Are you going to go?

Don't worry, I am not stalking you...LOLOLOL!!!

Yes I am

Sturgeone

The Sammy Davis, Jr. book was "Yes I Can"

http://www.amazon.com/Yes-Can-Story-Sammy-Davis/dp/0374522685/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202523604&sr=1-2

they may feel any damn thing but the fact of the matter is that they are not involved in fighting and dying.......the difference between involved and committed.....the chicken is involved in breakfast......but the pig is committed.....

sorry....I was being what my eighth grade teacher abhorred.....facetious.......a cheap stab at the limo scene in Spinal Tap

"it safe to assume anything with a penis is the object of your scorn? "

There are penises and there are dicks.

Jamie.....
sorry....I was being what my eighth grade teacher abhorred.....facetious.......a cheap stab at the limo scene in Spinal Tap

eee levvv ennn.. christopher guest is my hero..

Sammy is playing right now.

http://www.martiniinthemorning.com/index.html

Cool music.

STurgeone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGFEqU5Sfyw

You might of been facetious but if you think about it, it does make sense.

I see your Shirley Bassey and raise you a Nancy Wilson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_i3FX62F8U

NEW THREAD

Dont make me go all Edith Piaf............

The comment made by David Shuster was more like the straw that broke the camel's back—similar to when only one kid at school gets detention when in fact an entire group is guilty. The management has allowed a corporate culture to exist at MSNBC which is completely unprofessional and biased—yep, we're talkin' lower than Fox. I find it hard to actually call the people there "anchors" with a straight face. I still remember how disgusting Joe Scarborough acted when Mika tried to destroy the Paris Hilton pages. Not only did Joe make fun of her, but he smelled the pages like they were Paris' underwear. Sorry, Craig, but as of late, I don't think Keith is any better than the rest of them. It's pretty obvious he's pro-Obama, as much as it is that Matthews is pro-McCain, and Scarborough is just plain anti-Clinton. I can't imagine people like Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, and Walter Kronkite acting in a similar fashion. Now those were people you could respect.

Warren, if in the third quarter the officials started calling things for the Giants, NE would be the under dog. Top dog and under dog are based on a fair playing field. When the under dog receives undue advantage from the fourth estate, the Vegas odds change. Why is it so hard to understand this simple concept? Lawyers try to keep this bias from effecting juries and move to get a fair trial in a venue more neutral, Yes?

If media handed David an M-16, guess what? He would be favored to win against the nasty favorite Goliath. Since the Us has a superior fightiing force, should Americans still root for the under dog? Obama is an under dog. The Liberals like Teddy and others are piling on Hillary with Republicans for many months now. NBC was live when one of their lead reporters confessed that most reporters he chums around with support Obama. In the old days such comments would not be tolerated. MacCafferty is an Obama supporter, yet Carveile is asked to leave. Mathews is an ass, Olberman comes close (sorry Craig). Just look at the comment thread at ABC's report on Shuster posted at CQ, The venom on the Left even surpasses the Republicans. Oh gee, we should be proud of what we have wrought -not.

Clinton has long been the under dog because the Democratic base wants her buried so their dreams can sail. The Latte crowd has much contempt for the Dunkin Donut crowd boasting how better educated they are...LOL All the more reason to see through false Messiahs and vague rhetoric.

Serbia threatens Kosovo, NATO wants first strike options against agression, Iran has new high speed centrifuges, Hamas starts suicide bombings as the Un almost lets pass the arab charter, Chvez threatens neighbors as Europe freezes 12 billion in assets, silent subs imported to Iran and Caracas, Sudan bombs the rebels as Chad erupts in fighting.

Obama has no clue, while CNN thinks he can debate McCain better than Hillary. Obama says Hillary has negatives...LOL which he amplifies every week trying to make it an issue rather than explain how hopes actually become reality.. Even Powell waxes purty about Obama yet does Powel tell Americans that the invasion of Iraq was illegal and the biggest mistake in US history? We sure don't have Saddam making WMD with French and Russian help. The spin has be spinning for months and to ignore the bias is far more pernicious than moonbat conspiracies of Hillary compromising Diebold. Hey, she's now a pimp. Wonder how Obama would have reacted if media said that when he sent out his wife to characterize Clinton as racist-sounding...LOL as a pimp.

Yes, the free media pass and unabashed media support tilts the playing field as does the activist caucuses, wealthy Holywood and denying Florida and Michigan.

Imagine the officals calling penalties on NE. What odds maker would make them the presumptive Goliath? To use this analogy is dishonest. The Clintons are the under dog in a Party quite willing to eat their own icons, vilifying them in ways Republicans envy.

Maxtrue---I sure appreciate the strong substance that you contribute to this blog.

Match on!

About the caucus in Washington State.. the REpugs sure complained when the activists took over their caucuses and gave their delegate votes to Pat Robertson.

Obama fans are the new generation of sheep. Substance doesn't matter. Great oration and a lot of empty rhetoric thrown into an empty arrogant suit seems to be buying over this new young generation of sheep.

sad they don't think picking someone to run the most powerful nation in the world requires more critical thinking than an inspiration that could be written in a valentines card.

by the way, if you google some of obama's famous comments that inspire, you may find them to be stolen lines from famous writers, or other great orators.

Maxtrue: Nice one. I am glad to see someone is finally trying over there! I will respond in due course...

BJ: For the most part, you are flat out wrong and you seem pretty uninformed yourself. You my friend are the one currently residing in a herd of Sheeople. Time to start reading something other than the Clinton campaign's talking points.

And people share lines all the time and your last sentence is petty.

We shouldn't be trying to score points against one another - we should be, among other things, having a frank discussion about why we support our respective candidates.

Thank you and good night.

I just got this from a woman I knew in college at Evergreen. This is her report of the caucus:

"i went to the local caucus and it was like lord of the flies. i've been relatively split, but decided to support hillary on the grounds of mandated universal health care, and the fact that i find perseverance to be a virtue. i actually thought cher's thoughts on obama being a little like jimmy carter were really interesting. can't say the obama surge hasn't swayed or invigorated me at all, but the caucus was crazy. obama supporters were tearing down clinton signs and putting stickers on them. they all had stickers on their chests. i'm just not much for signs and buttons and stickers, and it all felt a little like a crowd mentality thing. no dis on obama, it was just weird. one guy had some sign saying 'no more kings and queens' with a picture of gw and hrc. a lot of 'dynasty' talk. all in all, we got 1 of the 7 delegates from our precinct for hillary, and three of us were under 40. the rest were the stereotypical older women, and one older man. funny thing is the only black person there had a hillary button. olympia! the white guilt is palpable here."