Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

"Getting hard to type with two dogs in my lap. One weighs about 50 lbs and the the other is about 12 lbs."

Sounds like my dog, Chicken George! The cats think he's a wuss.

Woo-hoo. I"ll leave you all in the minty freshness.

I have two must read weekly magazines--the New Yorker and the Economist. Of the two, the Economist is the best informed, best edited, and most often right about political things. It's published in London.

Below is a 'fair use' excerpt out of this week's cover story about Obama. It reflects my key concerns about his candidacy:

"Of magnets and magic dust

That question is partly answered by Obama the phenomenon. His immediate effect on international relations could be dramatic: a black president, partly brought up in a Muslim country, would transform America's image. And his youthful optimism could work at home too. After the bitterness of the Bush years, America needs a dose of unity: Mr Obama has a rare ability to deliver it. And the power of charisma should not be underrated, especially in the context of the American presidency which is, constitutionally, quite a weak office. The best presidents are like magnets below a piece of paper, invisibly aligning iron filings into a new pattern of their making. Anyone can get experts to produce policy papers. The trick is to forge consensus to get those policies enacted.

But what policies exactly? Mr Obama's voting record in the Senate is one of the most left-wing of any Democrat. Even if he never voted for the Iraq war, his policy for dealing with that country now seems to amount to little more than pulling out quickly, convening a peace conference, inviting the Iranians and the Syrians along and hoping for the best. On the economy, his plans are more thought out, but he often tells people only that they deserve more money and more opportunities. If one lesson from the wasted Bush years is that needless division is bad, another is that incompetence is perhaps even worse. A man who has never run any public body of any note is a risk, even if his campaign has been a model of discipline.

And the Obama phenomenon would not always be helpful, because it would raise expectations to undue heights. Budgets do not magically cut themselves, even if both parties are in awe of the president; the Middle East will not heal, just because a president's second name is Hussein. Choices will have to be made—and foes created even when there is no intention to do so. Indeed, something like that has already happened in his campaign. The post-racial candidate has ended up relying heavily on black votes (and in some places even highlighting the divide between Latinos and blacks).

None of this is to take away from Mr Obama's achievement—or to imply that he could not rise to the challenges of the job in hand. But there is a sense in which he has hitherto had to jump over a lower bar than his main rivals have. For America's sake (and the world's), that bar should now be raised—or all kinds of brutal disappointment could follow."

Flatus, be kind to your source -- please include links to excerpted articles or, if not online, the edition date and page number. It's one of our few house rules. Thanks.

Wow, Nice to see....YES WE CAN!

Horsey Cartoon Alert.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=1712

"Flatus, be kind to your source -- please include links to excerpted articles or, if not online, the edition date and page number. It's one of our few house rules. Thanks."

It's page 11 of the Economist issue of Feb16th-22nd 2008. The URL is :
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10689547

It will probably require a subscription to read on-line.

And, I'll say:

YES WE CAN!!!!!

and while we're giving credit to sources -- "Yes We Can" belongs to the late and great César Chávez: http://www.amazon.com/Cesar-Puede-Belpre-Illustrator-Awards/dp/0761451722

Si, Se Puede!

And We love that too Craig,

Thanks for pointing out that little know point. Its fitting.

well Sheila, it would seem more fitting for Hillary -- Chavez founded the United Farm Workers, which endorsed her: http://www.ufw.org/_board.php?mode=view&b_code=news_press&b_no=3485&page=1&field=&key=&n=507

LOL Thanks Craig, Maybe Hill wasn't fast on the Up take....YES WE WILL ;0)

hi craig.. how's the ankle?

Tylenol -- ankle is still in this stupid ortho boot, but feels fine, tks for askin -- hobbling outside tonight for the first time in a week to have dinner with Helen Thomas

THis is insteresting....

NYT: Dem officials hope Gore can help avert 'convention rift'

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/NYT_Dem_officials_hope_Gore_can_0216.html

it is a great slogan, Sheila, just cant understand why Obama couldnt have given Chavez some credit, instead he's aggravated many Hispanics by stealing it -- it was the Chavez signature slogan and the 10,000 UFW members at Hillary's endorsement rally chanted it repeatedly

.YES WE CAN!
.YES WE CAN!YES WE CAN!YES WE CAN!YES WE CAN!YES WE CAN!YES WE CAN!YES WE CAN!YES WE CAN!YES WE CAN!.YES WE CAN!.YES WE CAN!

Do you people have ANY idea what this mantra sounds like? I do know how some Republicans felt when the fundamentalists took over.

Craig,
"hobbling outside tonight for the first time in a week to have dinner with Helen Thomas"

Watch out. She'll get you liquored up and next thing you know...

Have Fun with Helen.....I just used to love tea with her!

Si, Se Puede

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuvT6BmEpJQ

Don't have a clue what its about.

Jack

Patsi,

Do you realize what your post looks like to US? LOL

also, they couldn't have bothered to include a single image of Chavez in their YesWeCan video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY

All those who voted for Ronald Reagan post: YES WE DID!

DO NOT SPILL WINE ON HER this time!!! :)

Craig, I think the person who wrote and directed that wonderful Video was enamered with the speech. He may have been ingnrant of the original quoter and why, but his video was still poignant and relevent for Today.

"also, they couldn't have bothered to include a single image of Chavez in their YesWeCan video?"

Chavez was a controversial figure, and some of the Obama demo can't remember Chavez, but if they see an opening, wouldn't be surprised to see ti.

Craig - Thanks for pointing out that 'yes we can' was originally associated with Cesar Chavez. I don't believe that anyone else has mentioned that.

And dating myself, I'm pretty sure it was grapes that we boycotted oh so many years ago-in support of his union's efforts to organize.

Of Course, I did....I said I was a Reagan Dem. :0) LOL

"Karoleena, yes everyone must have an insurance plan. NO you don't have to buy an EXTRA plan if you already have one and want to keep it. The goal is UNIVERSAL health care, That means everyone has to have ONE plan. No one will be forced to buy TWO. Again, get your facts straight."

Well, I thought I had them straight!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0eV_qZefmRQD8UIVGG00

I voted against Carter

'Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it' George Santayana

Craig, do you think you could convince Helen T. to have a go at Obama???

Craig,

I think we are ALL in full agreement on that one. Obama's campaign in still fledgling. But they have been amzing. If Clinton gets the NOD, At least the ride was exciting!

Coreen-
It's funny...I thought we boycotted lettuce.in 1972...I seem to remember not eating salads.
`g

"YES WE CAN!

Do you people have ANY idea what this mantra sounds like? "

Are you referring to Obama, Chavez or Clinton now that she's co-opted the phrase.

Or are you referring to McCain's: "YES, I'M ON THE CAN!"

Gidget, as I recall growing up in my little socialistic household, we boycotted grapes and lettuce when the Farmworkers were striking.

Laughing @ DND

Gidget

I'm pretty sure it was a grape boycott back in the 60's,a long time ago, so I could be wrong. But at least
some of us were backing union rights.

"Craig, do you think you could convince Helen T. to have a go at Obama??? -- Posted by: Flatus"

actually, she is extremely critical of Obama's war voting record -- 100 percent in line with Hillary's, which she also despises -- there really is nothing in the man's voting record that looks remotely anti-war, unless you count the CYA timetable votes that they both cast -- neither cast tough votes against funding, not once -- that's what would have earned them Helen's respect

Colleen,

As I recall, growing up in a Navy Household, with 5 kids, we couldn't afford Lettuce, and we got grape jelly a lot.... But I do remember all of it. I was living in San Diego and my Dad used to keep us up in human rights issues.

Colleen-
I've probably got selective memory...I turned 21 in 72 and I'm pretty sure I was drinking wine : ) but not eating salads.

~g

Craig,

See if Helen has any really good lowdown info. She is so good at fact digging.

The great thing about Helen is her razer sharp eye for the truth. Even if you don't like it. ;0)

Craig, did that creepy press office ever allow you to have a pass?

Gidget, you're probably right. I only know we were always boycotting something. Still do.

Yes Craig, I for one would LOVE to hear the answer to that one in full detail.

"just cant understand why Obama couldnt have given Chavez some credit, instead he's aggravated many Hispanics by stealing it "

He seems to be very good at "adopting" the plans and positions of others without credit.

wonder if Hugo, my man in Venezuela, is related to Cesar?

Si Se puede

As a way of life not just a silly political slogan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFl7ZjGNMMQ

Jack

My first boycott was of Florida orange juice due to Anita Bryant.

Gidget, et al

All our memories are good. Cesar Chavez led a boycott of table grapes in the mid 60s, & thereafter
it included lettuce as well.

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/today/aug22.html

My First Boycott was to follow Buy American. Its been increasingly hard to do so in the last 8 years, but I have tried.

Jack,

Very moving video ;0)

here is Helen's latest dim view of Clinton and Obama on the war: "The two Democratic frontrunners -- Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama -- should fish or cut bait.

Surely, we have a right to know where they stand on the war that has caused so much human suffering and is draining the national treasury.

They can't stand on the sidelines. They should not be sucked into that Karl Rove-brand of baloney that those who call for a pull out to cut our losses are not supporting the troops.

The lawmakers can fund the troops for an orderly withdrawal and bring them home, or perhaps turn over peacekeeping to an international force."

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/helenthomas/15124198/detail.html

To bookmark Helen's column: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/helenthomas/index.html

more Helen: " Both Clinton and her rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., are all over the place when it comes to their preferred timing to pull out U.S. forces from Iraq."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/351481_thomas17.html

i'll give her your love tonight, must get ready -- we're trying to write a book together, but this damn overtime in the dem race is complicating my work schedule

Craig,

I remember having tea with Helen in Turkey on a trip. All of the rest of the press were avoiding her because SHE WAS holding Bush's feet to the fire about all the lives that we were snuffing out.

Back then it was a very unpopular opinion and I was in the Military at the time. but she fasinated me.

She has never changed and I hope she doesn't.

Colleen-
Table grapes...yea...I probably adherred to that boycott...my mother was very big on boycotts...I do remember the orange juice boycott....and my least favorite one was against meat...
~g

CRAIG.....How cool is that! I hope you guys sync and succeed.

How Clueless is Eugene Robinson?

"Eugene Robinson, by ignoring the obvious and presenting the Clintons as people making up some "beef" with the media, aids and abets the Carlsons of the wider media. But hey, that's evidently become Eugene's job, his mission, as he slyly promotes all things Barack Obama in the next breath

You'd have to have your head so far in the Obama clouds not to know what's going on. It has spread like a virus beyond the traditional media into the blogosphere, which has also been proven again and again. Carlson and Robinson are well paid for their troubles. Wonder who else is."

http://www.taylormarsh.com/

Craig,
Helen likes Patron Reposada. Keep 'em coming...

PA??? really??? find me!! I'm here!!

Well Craig,

It is interesting that Clinton couldn't find the dirt pile for sure. If I were her, I'd use it.

Colleen and dog,

Too bad I'm still working, I'd come and find both of you!

If Hillary can stop Obama - without any side-shows - and simply win on message - than she will be ready for the general. And Clinton supporters should thank Obama - because Hillary has had to improve her campaign and sharpen her message.

If Obama wins, and (most of) the Clinton Machine backs him - he will be formidable - as a nominee and a president. And he will be ready for the republican attack machine after surviving the Clintons.

Si Se Puede!

Also, I don't buy the criticism of Democrats that vote to continue funding the troops. Right now - we cannot bring a successful resolution to the conflict. There is no consensus in Washington and Bush can't do the things that need to be done.

On consensus - imagine Obama, Webb (and maybe even Bill) and a politically charged electorate arguing the case for Iraq. The GOP will cave - even if they have to fall on their swords.

On policy, I think we need to start implementing more of what was set forth by the Iraq Study group - but we can't move forward on diplomacy till we get a new President. Bush's credibility is shot - and Iraqi people will reject leaders that cooperate with him too much.

"you hope it to be so there is nothing to "dig up" on Obama."

It's not a matter of hope. It is the fact that no one has looked. If someone looks and reports back, "aint nothin there folks just keep movin", that's fine, but there just hasn't been any major digging.

Rezco so far just looks like poor judgement, nothing particularly nefarious, but it really hasn't been probed. Some of his "present:" votes look as if he was avoiding two supporters who happened to be on opposing sides of an issue. I would like that looked at a bit more since "present" is not a position a President can take.

I really do want to know about Michelle's job ... how she got it since it came almost immediately after he was elected, exactly how much it pays, and is she being paid while on leave.

Who arranged for the Convention speaking position. Who are his mentors, backers, and lead contributors.

So, just questions not hopes.

"If I were her, I'd use it. -- Posted by: Sheila Stone"

well she tried with the "slumlord" attack at SC debate and media Obamabots called it a racist slur -- all i'm saying (and i really gotta run now) is that national media's fear to tread on his Chicago machine connections is doing him no favors in the long run because when GOP unloads it on him millions of swing voters will be hearing it for the first time

I think its fair to say that Obama's campaign has stayed away from really digging into the skeletons in the Clintons' closet. Calling her a Wal-mart lawyer is nothing compared to what the GOP will do.

The worst part is, it will be the media, 527's and bitter partisan Republicans - and McCain will be able to stay above the fray. He can even condemn Coulture or Limbaugh for doing it after the damage has already been done. McCain can also make a legitimate claim to "change" vs. Hillary - that he can't make against Obama.

Also add in the pastor of his church, He is going to have trouble staying centrist and post racial. Afrocentric Churchs tend to collect interesting characters.

Jack

Craig:

If the Republicans don't label you as a socialist than you're not being a good Democrat.

I just had a discussion with one of my best friends. She is totally for Obama and I am totally for Hillary Clinton. I told her what I've told many people, including folks here. Obama was an INSPIRATION at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. I thought "man this idea of a new politics could help change how Washington works. " When he decided to run for President, I thought that was rather brash. His experience is still quite limited. If you compare him to Bill Clinton, Bill was far more experienced. "Huh?" you might say. The reason I make this statement is the fact that the role of President is an Executive position. Senators and Representatives work as one voice among their peers. They do not set the agenda the way the President does, or how a GOVERNOR does. A Governor is the "CEO" of his state. He is also an "executive". Obama does not fit that description. Hillary does to a large extent, as First Lady of Arkansas and First Lady of the United States. I was supporting Hillary early but also undecided, so I had both Obama and Hillary as my friends on MySpace.

My second reason for not supporting Obama at this time is the great disappointment I felt when he tossed the "new politics" to the wind and began attacking Hillary because her poll numbers were so high. Having soaked up the idealistic message of hope Obama gave us in 2004, I really did expect him to be different. He has also been held at a different standard than Hillary. The press conveniently "forgets" that Obama started the attacking, and yes it does matter because it speaks to the integrity of the "new politics" he espouses. When the numbers were down Obama started to "attack", "attack," attack." i wrote a message about him needing to take the "high road" and sent it on to the campaign. He turned out to be just another politician like all the others.

I am too tired to write anything else. ...

" This has been the genius of his campaign, he's very effectively neutrilized going negative against him."

Bull. Through his surrogates, Obama has insulated himself with the concept that every normal campaign speech is racist. Furthermore, his surrogates have planted from the beginning (see Larry O'Donnell) the idea that anyone (they started by targeting Edwards) who campaigned too hard against him, or wanted to win was "standing in the way of the first African American President."

Shameless.

Good Night E. T.

The great California table grape strike last 5 years, ending in September , 1970.
That happened to be the full year I spent in Monterey, at Fort Ord, and the lettuce fields of "the nation's salad bowl" were literally adjacent to the post's boundaries.

Of course, to go against Mr. Chavez, the army bought tons and tons of scab lettuce. See, right after the grape strike was won, Mr. Chavez bargained for signed union contracts for the lettuce workers. As soon as the strike was announced, I noticed huge shipments of that scab lettuce in the mess hall where we ate.

I wanted to go hear Mr Chavez speak sometime, but the press always denied any notice of his engagements and appearances, but they reported it after he had gone.

I never heard him speak. I know he would appear now and then around the Salinas fields, but I seem to recall he was in SoCal most of the time...maybe he had offices there, I never did know that.

my source : http://www.answers.com/topic/cesar-chavez

From San Francisco's City Edition

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

EuroTom:

Just let us know when you are ready to whine again. Somebody will be hear to listen.

The president is supposed to articulate the voice of the American people and rise above politics - and Obama is doing that the best so far.

One of Bush's biggest problems is polarization. Nuance has been cast aside and the current debates are:

War vs. Surrender
Free markets vs. Soclized Medicine
Boarder Security vs. Amnesty

It led to a seven-time State of the Union speech with the problems only getting bigger. Hillary does not change that debate - Obama does. Lasting sollutions are not imposed by one party - they are built on consensus.

As I have posted many times - the Clinton campaign cannot "rip" into Obama, because it would alienate the "black vote". Hillary needs that vote in Nov. It is about winning the "battle", but then losing the "war". Pat Buchanan made the same point today. Also, remember the Repubs would have no reason to hold back anything.

Warren, did I warrant such a personal attack? I was not whining... but now I am fuming.

Whatever...

Dex, did you eat the lettuce?

To those who think that the RNC will drag out really mean nasty stuff against either Obama or Clinton, I only have two words: Keating Five.

EuroTom:

Once you dish out harsh attacks - you open yourself up to them in return.

I'm sure you will be fine.

Dexter, if my memory is accurate, wasn't he attacked several times and shot at least once? I don't blame them for being paranoid about his personal protection,

This burst of unionism died with a stake through its heart when Reagan did-in the air traffic controllers. That marked the start of the two-job-per-wage-earner household.

And also marked the opening of the border to undocumented workers.

Our Repug legacy.

The one bright spot with regards to Craig's post is that perhaps many of the Obama people that continue to criticize him for being in the Clinton's pocket will stop.

There is a little something for everyone here.

BTW - I think we need to do something about those darn voting machines - JUNK!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/16/mystery-ny-results-say-o_n_87020.html

The more you Obama-drones talk, the more I hate the guy.

Clinton/Ford 2008

Wendy:

I don't think he is in Clinton's pocket - but let's just say if he lived in Wisconsin - I have a pretty good idea who he would be voting for on Tues. But I've been wrong before!

The Democratic Party of today has little in common with the New Deal of FDR.

EuroTom.. I've been reading your posts for a while now... I know you're a very good advocate for HRC... but dont take your eyes off the prize... BO may very well be the nominee... and a great nominee at that... the most important thing is winning in November... there has never been a more important election (I know "they" said that last time, but 'they' were wrong).. It's either vote for more of the same, or vote for what you know is going to be an effective, forward-looking administration.

Sheila wrote:

"He may have been ingnrant of the original quoter and why"

Yes...I'm sure he was. I also saw him on Larry King where he was also quite ignorant of exactly what Obama will really be able to do for the country besides co-opting a slogan from the United Farm Workers.

And before anyone jumps on me about what I do and do not know about Chavez....my mother was in the fields picking chilies by the time she was 13 to help her family.

a final thought for down-in-the-dumps Clinton folk -- Wisconsin polls are tight and tightening, none of Obama's leads are comfortably outside the margin of error: http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/wisconsin/wisconsin_democratic_presidential_primary

The more you Obama-drones talk, the more I hate the guy.

Posted by: EuroTom | February 16, 2008 6:24 PM

Common Tom,

like him, hate him, respect him, mistrust him, maybe I'll vote and maybe I won't,,,,,,,we're listening to you. But don't hang him on your temper.

Back to my movie.... ;0)

have a good time, craig ... careful with the wine

Sheila point taken

Wendy,

Still not taking away from how insiring the speech was. AND how beautiful the cut.

I respect your passion though.

Craig,

Care to comment on Zbig in Syria or the Independence coming to Kosovo? I don't see too many articles on Flordia reacting to having their delegates not count. I also do not see many responding to the likely questions Obama will face including new high speed enrichment by Iran created where? Then there is the matter of Rezko. While I am not convinced it was more than terrible judgment, their are some who do expect a bit more to surface in the coming months. Any reason as to why the media does not at least consider why Obama is on the ten most corrupt over at the Judicial Watch List? Clinton's reasons for being there have long been vetted. There is more to Obama being there than Rezko, which isn't even a factor.

I, like Eurotom, was very interested in Obama back in 2004. I have spared all from reposting numerous comments he made back them, but McCain certainly will. I expect Texas, Ohio and Penn will give Hillary her come back, but if they don't I think media has even been soft on looking at the real fight between an Obama and a McCain. Obama even lifts rhetoric and slogans from Chavez? Yes he does?

Yes we can is so moronic it is enough to get most Republicans to the polls whether they like McCain or not.

Just wondering.....

dnd wrote:

"or Clinton now that she's co-opted the phrase."

If she co-opted it she came by it honestly.

At a rally in Los Angeles I attended...nobody said the words until Dolores Huerta took the mic and lead us in the chant.

Just sayin'

Flatus: Just about every union-busting tactic in the book was used against the United Farm Workers.
Right now I can't recall any shooting attempts or beatings of Mr.Chavez, but that would worthy of a search.
It's impossible to get archival accounts for free from the newspapers going back 38 years, but the 'net is full of brief summaries.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
colleen: I was the one who tried to dissuade my comrades from eating the lettuce, as I was changing daily in my political awareness.
I do remember a "dirty trick" ...I was told the strike was over and had a big lettuce salad one day , I even remember pouring French dressing on it...only to be informed by the Monterey Peninsula Herald that the strike was still on. Oh well.
Now all this reminiscing has me thinking of Cal avacados. Time to head for ths store.

and now we have the Reagan Airport. what a sense of humor we have! what a country! what wonderful irony!

Jamie wrote:

"He seems to be very good at "adopting" the plans and positions of others without credit."

ROFLMAO

You seem to have that effect on me - J

There is a woman I like at work. I just found out on Thursday night that "she is on her own". That was how she said it. I was wondering if perhaps Obama could help bring the two of us closer together? I would owe him BIG TIME!

One More Point Wendy,

That boy probably didn't know anything about policies and issues. But that speech inspired to to get up and pay attention. Now, he probably is...

When did you start paying attention and when you did, did you understand everything immediately?

I'm proud that all these young people are standing up and paying attention. I am for the first time in a Loooong time feeling hoprful that my Son's generation is the Next "Greatest" generation.

Oh, back to my Lifetime Channel Tear Jerker.

Corey, LOL LOL LOL !!!!

Thanks for the humour... I really needed that.

I am writing my first blog ever to express a concern I have about Sen Obama's campaign theme of "hope" and "change I can believe in". Because of my personal story I find a compelling reason why I can't place my trust and support behind him. While my reasons include a component of "race" it is from a perspective I haven't heard voiced yet. I am the great-aunt of a young man whose mother is African American and whose father, my nephew, is Caucasian. We consider our little guy to be a Bi-Racial American. Neither his mother's family or mine would ever think of identifying him as African American or Caucasian as that would negate one half of his family's racial heritage.As Sen. Obama's mother came from a white American family and his father came from a black Kenyan/African family I am perplexed at how he came to call himself an African American, and at how he has allowed the media, senators, congressmen and women, mayors, civil rights leaders, etc. to continue to call him African American. He has not corrected himself, nor has he corrected the media, etc. when they constantly refer to him as having the potential to become the first African American President. In neglecting to do so he has negated , and has allowed the media, etc., to negate one half of his racial heritage, that of his mother's white family. To truly be an African American would not his father have had to have been an American, not a Kenyan? Had his father emigrated to the US and then become a naturalized citizen one could make a case that his son, Obama, was African from his heritage and American from his American mother and therefore African American. However the term African American arose only in the last 50 years or so as a term to describe Americans who were descendants of Africans brought here against their will as slaves in the early days of America. Based on this I find Sen. Obama to have no true claim to being African American and believe he is in truth a Bi-Racial American of black African and Caucasian racial descent. From my perspective I believe the media, etc., could have been calling him a white man running for President for the past year if they had chosen to focus on the half of his racial heritage that is white. Whether they call him African American as they have been or white, in my opinion they are incorrect. And no one is correcting them.Not Sen. Obama, or anyone else.Why? That is the question. Are the white media correspondents and pundits unwilling to accept that he is half as white as they are? Are they somehow consciously or unconsciously prejudiced against Bi-Racial people? Are African American correspondents, pundits,etc. unwilling to openly acknowledge he is Bi-Racial for political reasons or their desire to have a first African American President?Is it because for centuries children of unions between black and white parents have always come to their community to find a placeof acceptance... an acceptance they have perhaps not found in the white community? I don't have the answers to these questions but I think it is something worth thinkng about, about how for some unknown reason Bi-Racial Americans feel, like Barack, that they must chose between their two racial heritages in finding their identity. I believe we must find a way to open our hearts and minds and accept and acknowlege Bi-Racial persons in a way that allows them to celebrate and proclaim both of their races in an equal manner. The Sen. from Illinois had the perfect opportunity to raise the level of discourse regarding civil rights and the equality of all peoples when he declared his intentions to run for President one year ago. He could have introduced himself to the American people as a Bi-Racial man and talked to us about how his dual racial background would assist in moving the banner of civil rights to new and necessary heights, about how he could understand the white community from growing up in his grandparents home, about how he understood the African American perspective as person descendant from an African father and family. He had a great opportunity to assist Americans of all races in having a better understanding of each other and he let it slip away by, in my opinion, falsely claiming to be African American and not the Bi-Racial American he truly is. Should he become president what kind of role model will he be for my great nephew...one who will show him he needs to chose which side of his family and which race he will identify himself with causing him to negate the other?Change, Change, Change. For Obama to suddenly change and begin to call himself the Bi-Racial candidate would call into question for me what had caused this sudden change.Would it be a need to attract a certain demographic's votes he had been able to do without prior to the change? He certainly likes to negatively point out his opponents changes of mind or vote. As it currently stands I find I can't support a candidae who, in my opinion, isn't clear about who he really is and who presents himself as other than he is. The only thing I do know is that no matter how many times we're told that Barack would be the first African American President it still won't make him that. If elected he'll always be the first Bi-Racial President. If he had run as that, I could have supported him.

Corey:

Get the woman Obama's book as a gift. Then you two would have something to talk about.

You can write off the surprise gift by saying you are a zealot who has joined the Obamatons - so she will think you're a freak instead of a creep.

It could work, maybe...

For Corey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Ar9Q0Eru4

From one of my favourite singers/actresses ever.

now just send her that video... LOL

Welcome Kate, and pull on your thick skin for that kinda talk. DIck Cavett, by the way, calls Obama "the partially white man"

bye bye

Sheila wrote:

"So just spit it out and lets get it over with....all I'm sayin. I'm a supporter and I want to know."

Is it possible - even if hard to believe - that Hillary isn't going down a "swift boat" road as the Republicans will because she does want to have a united Dem party in the Fall? Is it possible?

Wendy!
"f she co-opted it she came by it honestly.

At a rally in Los Angeles I attended...nobody said the words until Dolores Huerta took the mic and lead us in the chant.

Just sayin'"

Ok, I'll accept that. So why did she take so long to adopt it? Was "Solutions for America" not working?

Kate, he's talked about being bi-racial... He's talked about all of it... Have you read his book?

dnd.. yer a scamp!

I have a particularly sweet and wonderful man who calls himself chocolate. he knows who he is and I believe he's chocolate.

I don't believe Obama's label of himself particularly hard to believe. He is proud of his father's heritage and his mothers, he has written about both and validated himself in them.

The label of African Americcan is no more than a census label.

Keating Five is stale, it will have no impact at all.

Believe it or not there still are moderate democrats that will not necessarily go with the party if they think the nominee doesn't have the qualities and experience to be chief executive of this country.

Yes we can may turn to "No You Don't" next November. Do not over estimate Obamas appeal. If people think that Bill Clinton was hard on Obama, just wait. Hillary has to go easy on him beacuse she could alienate her potential support later down the line. She is really in a no win situation. Which is too bad because the Republicans will probably win against Obama because they are not worried about a backlash. They will go negative early and often, Obama will be on the defensive and the message of hope and change will get lost when he has to spend all his time and treasure responding and defending himself. And if you think the conservatives are going to stay home, you are crazy, they are smart enough to know that even if they don't like McCain, he is better for their interests than Obama.

Another anthem for Corey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxfdDrKO8uM

.....and BowmanC brings home the bacon.....

Nice post, Kate. My family is racially blended. My kids are Asian adoptees, and one of our grandsons, also adopted, is a combination of ingredients, including black. They all think of themselves as non-hyphenated Americans. That's why I spent a career in the military--to end the divisiveness that racked Europe.

Kids develop their own racial identities based on environment and peer pressure and their own perceptions of their place in life.

From what I can deduce about Obama is that he completely comitted to his blackness when he chose his wife. That's okay.

But, I don't think he's ever disparaged the white side of his being.

Why is Hillary saying Putin "doesn't have a soul." I might resent that remark.

I worry Hillary will run to the middle on Foreign Policy - and even if she beats McCain - she will lead this country down a path that is closer to want the Republicans want.

Obama will beat McCain on Foreign Policy by going to the left.

And the final one for Corey... Send HER this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNg0ReHeTiM

Warren wrote:

"I have a pretty good idea who he would be voting for on Tues"

Didn't Craig say the other day he doesn't belong to a party and doesn't vote - he just analyzes?

I take him at his word that he calls them like he sees them - including those depressing poll numbers. ugh. Thank goodness the rest of the country will actually get to vote though.

BTW - I've missed you Warren.

dnd - I'm not sure she meant to - Huerta was there some UFW were there and they started it up . . . probably took off from there.

Not sure.

Dim Sum is lovely ... I first had it in the Seattle International District

re: Obama ahead.

Well, I guess it's time for the Hillary people to stop being divisive and get behind a winner.

being divisive? what are you asking for? a coronation?

Let's say that BO is the nominee.

Can you just imagine the debates between BO and JMc?

There are some political journalists that will not vote in order to keep their leanings in the neutral realm.

If i remember right, Matthews holds the same philosophy...I know hard one to swallow.

;0)

Kate:

Obama's campaign speaks to an America that is much less racially divided than it has been in the past.

We are evolving as a country - and Washington needs to catch up.

I figure Craig gets it about right.. most of the time one side or the other is mad at him...

Burrito:

I have imagined those debates. They will be historic and I think the whole world will be paying attention, especially to what is said on Iraq.

""So just spit it out and lets get it over with....all I'm sayin. I'm a supporter and I want to know."

Is it possible - even if hard to believe - that Hillary isn't going down"

Hey, hey, hey. None of that kind of talk here. Please...

Warren, the whole way the voting is going in this campaign suggests a huge racially based divide... and to an extend the gender divide, though no one seems to take that one seriously

"When did you start paying attention and when you did, did you understand everything immediately?"

Before I could even vote - no - you're right I didn't understand a lot at first but I always did as much digging as I could (the Internet has become a wonderful tool)

But keep in mind Will.I.am is only a few years younger than I am now...so by the time I was his age I was WELL AWARE of what I was voting for. Goodness sakes he's a 30 something not a 20 something that guy should know what he's promoting.

America Ferrera sat right next to him she IS in her 20s and she knew EXACTLY why she supported Hillary and new her policies and plans.

Perhaps it is true that girls mature faster than boys.

Wendy:

I had to get back to work for awhile.

I think almost everyone who follows politics takes a side - but that doesn't prevent you from being objective - it just makes it harder.

Craig: So, you'd vote for a racist?

Last election cycle Jon Stewart said something that made me take notice.. (well he said a lot of things, but this is particular) it was when he was on crossfire smacking the bow-tie off Tucker.. anyway..he said he thought the most interesting candidate was Al Sharpton, because Sharpton knew he couldnt win and therefore could say anything he wanted..

Craig: So, you'd vote for a racist?

Posted by: nash | February 16, 2008 7:12 PM

I sure wouldn't consider him KKK or anything... (Ron Paul that is)

Ron Paul's racist newsletters...

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

Thanks for the videos , Tom. Maybe I'll use this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x96I8lm8ghM

Ohhhhhh...I love, love, love Michael Buble!!

So, I guess Craig is a Republican.

Craig: So, you'd vote for a racist?

Posted by: nash | February 16, 2008 7:12 PM

Total Snark! Glad to have you back....lol

Craig:

I am a fan of the Constitution too!!

In NYC, a lot of hipsters are for Paul - and I don't mean that as an insult - their well-informed.

Geez my mother just IM'd me from Minnesota to say I should go to bed, it's late out there.

I said "oh I having arguments with Obama supporters"

She replied "Don't bother.. looks like he is going to be the next President anyway. It could be worse, he could have been Republican"

Strange how mothers can tell a 48 year old son that it is past his bedtime. :-)

canada gets revenge on US --- export Celine and Michael Buble..

Hi Craig,
Hope you are enjoying your dinner. I have to check out Helen Thomas. I don't know her, guess I should.
I am sorry you are not coming to Ohio. I would have love to have seen you.
Don't want to start out too soon on your foot.
I am opening my home to a couple young campaigers for Hillary this week.
Go Hillary!!
Carol

craig has lost all credibility with this house hold by saying he would vote for Ron Paul. :)

yo soy Horsedooty!

Kate - the same thing has crept into my mind although it is not one of my primary concerns. There are so many other things to be concerned about with Obama. But...yes...I've wondered about that myself - I'm glad you voiced your concern.

I'm also of mixed race - if there is no option for mixed race on a form I always choose "decline to state".

I have issues with having been raised white for which I blame Richard Rodriguez (who I just met for the first time a few weeks ago) even though it wasn't his fault. It's complicated. I won't explain.

I think the fact that Barack taught constitutional law at the Univ. of Chi-town will be a stark contrast to Bush and his cronies and will serve him well in the debates against McCain.

It will also be nice to have a President that follows the Constitution instead of attempting to scale it back.

Oh I just looked up Helen Thomas, oh I know who she is. She is interesting to listen to. I just don't see her much on TV anymore?

one of the most romantic MB songs(btw..Happy (belated)Valentine's Day, to all!!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44HGTVVHG4o&feature=related

"Never forget we are the party of FDR! "

Not anymore. You and your ilk are on a fast track to turn it into the party of Joe Lieberman.

bri... we gonna chat tonight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXi96I3SuL0

I love the Harry Connick Jr. version of "You Don't Know Me" as well. Politically speaking , I was behind a SUV today with a bumper sticker that read: "Got Hope? WWW.BarackObama.com" But , I also saw a Ron Paul bumper sticker last night.

rac·ism /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rey-siz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

Was the SUV a hybrid? Just wondering if maybe the sticker should have said:
"Got Gas?"

It was a Volvo.

Nash,
I do not think it is any of our best interests to examine the private sex lives of others.....no matter who they are.

"The label of African Americcan is no more than a census label. "

This has zero to do with any of the Hillary v. Obama arguments...but to a person, the young black men on my son's high school football team thought "African American" was bogus. They liked to be called black.

According to what's written in YEARS of his newsletters, Ron Paul hates blacks, Jews, Hispanics, and "homos."

So this is what the well-informed NYC hipsters support? Don't they know how to READ?

Nah. I guess they just watch clips on youtube.

I always suspected Craig was a closet Nazi.

I'm outta here.

Nash, over and out.

Speaking of love songs... This one is one of my favourites. From 1975 album STARS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4yNCfkmWs

Burrito:

Say that to the GOP and they will say you lost the ability to make that argument. Bill brought his sex life into the White House - which ended up hurting his ability to do his job. So they will continue to bring it up. Two Clintons can campaign in two different states - but they also present two targets and two people that can make a mistake. I'll take my chances with Obama.

Warren,
What defines a "hipster" now, in nyc?

Really curious.

"And before anyone jumps on me about what I do and do not know about Chavez....my mother was in the fields picking chilies by the time she was 13 to help her family."

Aw Rats!! I was counting on you to be tomorrow's designated racist.

You know em when you see em.

I was just saying in general...byw we all know that no other politicians have ever strayed (sexually) HA...come on...that is so last century news.

Obama's problem is not the garden expansion.
It was the timing and price of the iitial purchase and the fact if Rezko's wife hadn't purchased their piece Obama could not have purchased his house. the two had to be sold at the time same. Read the article.

Come on Warren, you can do better then that?

Warren

" Lasting sollutions are not imposed by one party - they are built on consensus"

And between Clinton and Obama, who has the best record and been praised by colleagues for working across party lines to achieve successful legislation?

well after Reagan it was nice to know somebody in the White House could still have a sex life.

I learned a long time ago that I dont know squat about what goes on inside someone else's relationship.. nor do I want to know..while I think it's too bad he couldnt keep his penis in his pants for 8 years, I certainly dont judge HRC for whatever decision she made.

Forest,
You are correct. It was no coincidence.

ET
Funny

Craig: So, you'd vote for a racist?

Posted by: nash | February 16, 2008 7:12 PM

Ohh that Nosch he is such a kidder
he gets racial code words through his tinfoil hat

Nash seems to want to make these slash-and-burn, out-of-the-blue statements and then leave in a hurry.

Tylenol,

Yeah it's too bad....that dang thing....got the best of his judgment....

Women do not have that problem.

Nash:

By informed, I mean regarding the candidate's current message and vision for America.

If you ran for President, couldn't someone find something stupid you wrote on the internet.

I am not worried so much about a candidate's past - I listen to what they are saying now.

Hey Tylenol, they like to act like this stuff started with Bill Clinton. Look at Kennedy's liaisons during his Presidency -- Marilyn Monroe being the most famous.

He just trying to make everyone jealous.

goes back wayyyy farther than that, ET... what i hated was the OUTrage.. yes the OUTrage that Rep mouthpieces kept harping on... Rush Limbaugh -- been married what..4 times now? --- Newt.. - that friggin hypocrite!

off topic reply! *shivvvver* sposed to go up to +10c on Monday tho..and rain.. maybe it'll take some of this snow away.. we're buried in it..

"My family is racially blended. "

Same here. Many ethnically blended in my family. Hispanics.

I think the Bush Adm. froze Helen Thomas out of the press conferences, Her questions were too well thought out and they thought she was a problem.

Jamie:

Bush has worked across the aisle on policies too - such as Iraq! Hillary is a divisive and partisan politician - that is also part of her record. Everyone that supports her touts her ability to "fight the Republicans." We're over that.

"I have a pretty good idea who he would be voting for on Tues"

To repeat one more time. Craig Crawford does not vote anywhere.

Bush has worked across the aisle on policies too - such as Iraq! Hillary is a divisive and partisan politician - that is also part of her record. Everyone that supports her touts her ability to "fight the Republicans." We're over that.

Posted by: warren | February 16, 2008 7:58 PM

Time to change the record. the other one has been played so much that it's broken.

"Obama will beat McCain on Foreign Policy by going to the left."

Hilarious. Warren, you underestimate two things about the American hoi polloi:

1. The "coming to kill us" fear factor
2. The "we'll kick yer commie ass" factor

If you live in D.C. these are the most interesting times, as an Administration leaves, and hopefully a new comes in, the whole place changes. People leave because they no longer have employment, popular restaurants change, the social scene adapts to the new faces.....I have heard the Bush years have been quite a "drag" to say the least.

EuroTom:

No matter how much you and the Hillary campaign try - you cannot will away Hillary's vote on Iraq.

John Edwards came to terms with it. The Clintons - like they always do when backed into a corner - look for alternate explanations of the truth. Such as - right now - "its a tie."

Patsi:

I acknowledge those fears - but I don't think they should dicate our policies.

Obama did not vote on IRAQ, he has no legs in this comparison.

He "acts" like he voted against it...and many young voters do not even know he was not in the Senate at the time of the vote.

Talk about being phony.

No problem though, because we are not going to decide who gets the nomination anyway.

"drag" would be saying the very least, all right.....the very most would be high crimes and misdemeanors.......

Yes and a democratic congress that seem to be in a coma. So "drag" would be an understatement.

In 2002, Obama opposed the Iraqi war at its outset, calling it "an ill-conceived venture which would require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undermined cost, with undetermined consequences." Call correct.

He is not a phony anti-war candidate.

Hillary will have to explain that she trusted George Bush to ignore Cheney and Rumsfield and engage in diplomacy. Have fun making that argument against McCain.

If it is McC against HRC...it will not come up because they voted the same way.

When you talk about BO you have to look at the general. Take all you HRC arguments and throw them away.

Warren

There is a great difference between "my way or the highway (Bush) and can we reach an agreement that works a little for everyone (Clinton) and not working cause I'm off doing something else (Obama)

You're right. Iraq won't come up. That is just being naive.

McCain hammered that issue to win the primary (while also hammering Mitt's flip-flopping).

obama this and hillary that
obama that and hillary this
I'll see your obama and raise you a hillary
I think that I've more or less hadda my fillary

In the general, BO will be damaged by the repugs and 527, you just have no idea of how bad it will get.

I think that is why the Repugs want Obama...they can draw more contrast on more levels. Starting with experience and ending with poor judgment, with everything in between.

HRC would be a different tactic all together.

Universal Health Care...Hillary for President

If I were running , I would use the old saying:

"I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say , bounces off me and sticks to you."

Jamie:

On healthcare, Hillary seems pretty much "my way or the highway." Even though right now - the Republicans are moving in the opposite direction on that issue. Hillary will just drive them further to their base.

Warren,

If it is McC v. HRC, I was only talking about the "vote" on Iraq. It won't be a point of difference... Sorry I thought you would have understood that.

Universal health care is a "moral right" ...Hillary Clinton

If you want to know about Hillary's Health Care Choice program..go to hillaryclinton.com

Burrito:

Republicans do not want to run against Obama.

Have you talked to any Repubican friends about this issue? They know exactly what to do against the Clintons - and just like Hillary - have no idea how to run against Obama.

Obama and Clinton are both about to speak on C-span live from a Wisconsin dem dinner-

Actually, the repubs I know are not Happy with McC. They are waiting to see who his VP pick is.

Thank you Kathy

Okay

This is a fundraiser for the state party. Let's see if it is a repeat of the J/J dinner where she went for party unity and he went for elect me President.

This guy should have been prepared for a delay......with some jokes or something...I mean these things always go this way....hurry up and wait.

Nash....you have said some stupid shit on here, but you talkng about what is and is not feminist re the Clinton marriage makes my blood BOIL. I understand that your mission is to inflame. Consider yourself a success tonight. JEEZUS!

Time for a glass of Gentleman Jack. It makes me think like a Republican.

If the lack of grace evidenced by some of the Obama supporters on this site represents the "new politics", I want no part of it.

As soon as Hillary finishes her C-SPAN speech, I'm going to make another online donation.

"I acknowledge those fears - but I don't think they should dicate our policies."

Uh, tell it to the great unwashed, Warren. The ones who voted for the likes of Reagan and Bush.

Watching C-SPAN - Lawton is doing a good intro - but what if the person introducing Obama kept repeating: "This is a BLACK man who . . ."

Patsi:

The great "unwashed" like hope and inspiration too - since hope can be shared equally no matter who you are. Why is Hillary spending so much energy trying to stomp that out?

Helen Thomas isn't really a "computer person".

Here's a link to a report on her ideas, and a quick-click to her bio:

http://correntewire.com/an_interview_with_helen_thomas

Very good Hillary speech.

I'm not bored by substance.

I saw HRC yesterday she was really good, her speech and her improv was on. The crowd was huge, and full of excitement. It was awesome. I think she is getting stronger.

Don't hold any dim sum for me, I cooked a stir-fry of thin steaks, grilled red bell pepper, onions, carrots and walnuts over white rice. Fresh fruit and then milk chocolate for dessert.
I recorded The African Queen earlier from TCM, guess I'll watch it now. It's been years since I saw it.

I really agree with Craig. I poked around the polls and this thing ain't over yet. Any fervor of partiality I had evaporated with Edwards's exit, so I am not swayed by blowing little indicators way out of proportion.
March 4 is close, and I can wait and see.

Actually - I meant inspiration can be share equally.

I know hope comes tough to some. But I don't think those people are relegated to the so-called lower class. I think we have all gone through hopeless periods. That is what our country has experienced under Bush and the world has lost faith in us. We need a change.

OD:

I'm not bored with substance - I'm bored with Hillary.

Charles Barkley calls Conservatives "Fake Christians". Charles Barkley for Obama?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4e0qt_fake-christians_news

"The great "unwashed" like hope and inspiration too - since hope can be shared equally no matter who you are. Why is Hillary spending so much energy trying to stomp that out? "

Warren. I hope you are just young and naive. Because if not....

You don't have a clue about what I said, do you?

warren
we needed a change in 2004, and had a great candidate running. and we know what happened.
it's good to see such excitement so early, but after 2000 and 2004, it seems the odds are stacked against real change.

if this is true, mccain will be the replacement bush.

Patsi:

I don't have a clue. But I think I am familiar with the great unwashed.

She's doing a beautiful job.

Kerry did not run on change in 2004 - he ran on competence, experience and the Democratic agenda.

If Dukakis's wearing a helmet and riding a tank , and Kerry's wind-surfing are what caused them to be defeated, I wonder what the one stupid thing Obama or Hillary might do to ensure defeat is.
If McCain can say he wouldn't mind another hundred years of US occupation and war in Iraq, and still be taken seriously, I guess he is already past that threshold.

Oh so - unseating BUSH was not considered a change? Especially after Bush stole election from Gore?

That was not considered "change"????

Warren,

How old were you in 2000?

Cute 9 to 5

Dexter: a Clinton campaign would mean there are TWO people capable a making a mistake that could lose the election.

Plus, I don't factor much fear of the unknown into my vote.

Burrito: you need to update your talking points - or the GOP will eat you for breakfast.

South of 25.

Warren's younger than I am? You know , I used to be the baby around here. Guess my position has been usurped!

But I am an old soul...kinda like Alanis Morissette. Hah!

Last time I checked an awful lot of men worked those hours as well.

Isn't it time you took off your green fuzzy suit and removed the trash lid from your head?

Warren
I am not here to regurgitate talking points.... I was expressing opinion. And from a supporter of the candidate of "hope" and "bringing people together" you really need to practice what your candidate preaches.

Unless of course that talk (hope, bringing people together) is all about getting elected, and not about each persons individual responsibility.

Tell me what you think it is? and what your part in it is?

I'm not the candidate.

OMG HE closed with '99 Problems But A Bitch Ain't One' as his exit music. No he's not running as the black candidate. Give me a break!

http://www.pimpyourshirts.com/catalog/oscartransfer.jpg

And SOME of you people aren't looking to make friends. I tend to give out what I get from people. If you want to have a conversation about politics, Lost or a Tom Robbins book - si se puede. If you want to pick a fight - I will fight back.

Btw, I also read the Classics - I don't want you people thinking I am an idiot (I sure as hell realize I sound like one often enough).

- non-answer answer.
expected.

People tend to find what their expecting. That's why hope ain't such a bad thing.

" ain't " ?

The rules the rest of us didn't get in the mail.

Racism is more important to address than sexism.
It is ok for blacks to support Obama because he is black but not ok to support Clinton because she is a woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk7i_EPxTlY

Maybe Hillary should have chosen this song?

Very Nice Pasti....you Go!

Or even Patsi :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eawRgxuGX0

Still wearing the lid?

I tried to listen to BO with an opened mind. I will admit this is the second such attempt on my part, and I just do not see anything likable in him or his ideas.

He strikes me as an "empty suit. "

And I do not give a rat's @ss, as to what color that empty suit is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOdAOHBcZI

Here is more music for the Obama campaign trail. I didn't get such a good response last time - maybe it was too early for country music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unvr3mC_QJU

Does Gallup know that there are other colors besides green? In fact there are 256 non-dithering colors available for the internet.

tt

Anonymous:

There is a sucker born every minute, I hear.
I just didn't realize they'd all join up at once and chant, "Yes We Can!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-jsqZQ4OOY

http://www.pimpyourshirts.com/catalog/mrogershoodt.jpg

http://www.pimpyourshirts.com/catalog/mm_obama.gif

~Anon

*L*

It's Jamie's fault.

Hillary's speech tonight at the Wisconsin Dem Party was good.

tt

They did, and this will go down as the most unbelievable lack of true political understanding ...that lead to this election....and we can thank those who allowed our educational system to falter.

After all, all history shows it is much easier to control those without knowledge.

'Anything Ares Can Do, Xena Can Do Better!'

Excellent, Jamie!

LMAO!

tt

Tattoo,

Glad you liked it. Of course the Barnum song was for Gordo.

Dems can vote TWICE in Tejas. Who knew?

Come on down y'all!

http://www.khou.com/news/local/politics/stories/khou080214_tj_howtovote.c2b9b35e.html

Vote early and often.

tt

-0- votes for Obama in Harlem.

Hey, it's in the NYT!!

"Black voters are heavily represented in the 94th Election District in Harlem’s 70th Assembly District. Yet according to the unofficial results from the New York Democratic primary last week, not a single vote in the district was cast for Senator Barack Obama."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/nyregion/16vote.html?_r=1&ex=1360818000&en=cba4d3b30464e951&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin

tt

from yesterday:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3002/hill3nke0.jpg

Patsi:

You could say I was a devil's advocate of the great "unwashed" and George W. Bush on an ivory tower in Georgetown circa 2000. Being from a small town in FL - I tend to frequent many of the same haunts as the great unwashed (some of us just prefer the Ocean). I tried to explain Bush's appeal to these aristocratic hot shots. Needless to say - I was shouted down as unsophisticated.

I am familiar with the great unwashed. And I don't need John Edwards to tell me about hardship in this county. I need look no further than my family or my friends to understand the struggles people face in this country.

And I am saying Obama has a chance to bring the great unwashed into the Democratic base and form a new American Majority - and kick the old boys network to the curb. You stand in the way of that - you do so at your peril (just kidding Patsi - you know I would never hurt a lady ; )

Tiptoe

The next thing you know the residents will be saying they like their Senator a lot.

Btw, I didn't vote for Bush in 2000 and rallied support for Kerry in FL in 2004.

Once the election is over, and the thrill is gone, I bet the same people stick with it and put in the hours upon hours, to make "real change " happen.

There is no pay check and no happy hour when you are fighting for "real change." It takes a tremendous amount of hard work.

This may come as a surprise to some of the "hope"ful voters out there. Even still, nothing would be better then to see the young get involved in fixing this mess we, Americans, have created.

How wonderful would it be to see the younger people, actually be an integral voice in fixing, Social Security, health care, Medicare fraud, VET benefits, day-care issues, public school violence, foreclosures....oh.... the lists goes on and on......

Patsi:

SOL (smiling out loud).

And don't think you can impress me with your famous friends!! Just kidding, it worked. Hah!

I prefered Aristotle to Plato - and still want to figure out Kant. But i figured out Taoism was the only thing that didn't exclude anybody.

Burrito:

I disagree about there being no happy hour when fighting for change. Happy hour is meant to celebrate a good day of work. Don't get it twisted.

I think it was Wiki that was offended by name dropping.

This is why credibility matters:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080216/ts_nm/russia_usa_satellite_dc

Straight talk. Keeping it real. I want to know who Dave Chappelle is endorsing. Time to take the goose for a walk and go out drinking with the great unwashed.

Peace.

As I keep watching Billary (and yes, they're tag teaming now, so it's more appropriate than ever) push their "solutions" speeches, I actually saddened. They appear to be so desperate. Like they're praying that this is the message will work. And yet, that's what's always been the issue with the Clintons. What do they believe? Bill like to co-op the ideas and legislation of the Republicans and considered himself a genius for doing so. Now, they're flailing. Sad.

As I keep watching Billary (and yes, they're tag teaming now, so it's more appropriate than ever) push their "solutions" speeches, I'm actually saddened. They appear to be so desperate. Like they're praying that this is the message that will work. And yet, that's what's always been the issue with the Clintons. What do they believe? Bill like to co-op the ideas and legislation of the Republicans and considered himself a genius for doing so. Now, they're flailing. Sad.

B-rye thinks Borama looks "more & more presidential every day." At last, we agree; he does look more like Shrub every day.

If Hil'ry is Xena, I guess that makes Bill Gabrielle. So, who is Joxter?

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