Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I am having a hard time with the discription of Hillary's ladies who are supporting her are uneducated. When I did phone banking in Wooster. All 7 of us had Masters degrees.
The media is at it again, trying to influence voters.
Carol

HRC will be in El Paso tonight and I think you are right on target with this one, Craig. HRC took our county in the New Mexico caucus last week by a much larger margin than BHO compared to the rest of the state. We have a much larger proportion of Hispanic voters here. And she really has the male Hispanic vote. And mine, too, as an college educated, white woman. : )

It not over by a long shot (of vodka, that is).

"John McCain is winning out over his GOP counterparts because he is the only one who supported a halfway reasonable immigration proposal in the Senate, whereas the rest of the Republican field sounds like they want to drive illegal immigrants out of the country with a pitch fork.

Hillary Clinton's popularity among Latino voters has been a little harder to explain (the leading explanations are name recognition and the good record Bill Clinton had with Latino voters).

One thing is clear, once we get to the general election, if Latino voters keep voting with this big a gap between candidates, the Republicans are done for. McCain might sound halfway sane when compared to the rest of the Republicans, but his anti-immigration quotes can easily be used by the Democrats to turn Hispanic voters away from him. Let alone what the Democrats could do to any other Republican nominee on this issue."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/did-latino-voters-decide-_b_83977.html

Repost from Last Thread

To Eurotom,

I was in the House for a while. The WH travel Office had A-Political or government workers that were not involved in politics.

These people had been taking care fo the Press Office, White House Communications Agency, and the Secret Service since the 1970's.

Quite a few were within 5 years of retirement from Government. These people were sumarialy tossed from the White House with no notice.....

The Clintons installed a cousin and several friends. The travel office service disolved into a mess of missed flights.....It was terrible.

The Clintons used their position to just plain drop these people from government service and ruined their carreers....I'm still breathless from it.

What is the Epilog? Three of them sued the CLintons and the Clintons settled out of court equaling their returement.

Also, legislation was instituted to protect the next ones that get this type of over the line treatment of the little guy.

So you asked. I was their. I was on Matthews show when He had my ex-compatroits on to talk when the suit was over....My friends were still devestated to have been attacked by the Office of the President of the United States.

Sorry....you asked.....

Posted by: Sheila | February 12, 2008 5:24 PM

This was one of those days where I didn't bother to read all the posts I missed while I was sleeping. If anyone is feeling stressed out , I have put up a couple of videos in honor of Valentines Day at my blog. Go there and find the love that's missing here today.

http://themitchellblog.blogspot.com/

Carol

I also fit into Obama's education and income demographic

However, I'm of mixed race (Hispanic and white) and a woman in her late 30's - so I also fit into Hillary's demographic

I'm not confused though. But yes...many of Hillary's supporters are well educated.

BTW - Thanks for the post Craig...I've been saying this all along as part of my - each candidate has groups they will have to win over in a general election

Which is why I always go back to best qualified person who shares my values.

Dog - interesting thought

Wendy,

Here is why I like Obama.....Fresh, intelligent, a team player, a coach, an authoritarian. I could go on,

The the largest reason and waaaayyyyy beyond Policies or issues is his ability to pull a large majority of the population together to say, WE WANT TO make our country livable again.

I really believe that he has more of the natural ability to bring opposite sides and the middle together to help in the reconstruction process.

I believe that Barack Obama has more of an edge in being able to communicate with others around the world.

I have more, but I'll let you guys "Discourse" me now. ;0)

Jamie---thank you so much for informing myself and Nanny on the Hilliary healthcare issue.

Now where did you learn "informative" that information? I need to make this point to family members.

I don't think Martinez can't be VP...he was born in Cuba.

a reminder for whenever you want to refer to a comment in an earlier post -- simply click the Date/Time under a comment and your browser will display a url address (link) that can be copied and pasted the most current post

I meant can...not can't.

thanks Craig,

I thought it was important to bring that one over.

See what happens when people read too much into things. Now the same stuff is coming back to bite the Clintons:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080212/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_hispanics

Here is another version of travelgate
while there were lawsuits filed. Hillary Clinton was never named in a civil lawsuit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_travel_office_controversy

Hi Sheila

I appreciate both of your posts.

I also appreciate your views on Obama - I can understand why you feel as you do. Myself...I'm less emotional about it and more policy oriented. I'm more of a what's the plan rather than a pep talk person myself.

I see Obama's skill with words and perhaps he will inspire people to work together. I also believe Hillary has a track record in the Senate of reaching across the aisle - items have been posted on this list before.

But I'm glad you spoke up and put down exactly why you want to vote the way you want to vote-saying outright that it is not about policy for you. Most of my friends are supporting Hillary but I do have one friend who is inspired by Obama the way you are.

I feel like we all know a lot about HRC, in general.....her life , her family....

I feel like I know very little about OBAMA.....I am not talking about the stuff you can read on his web-site, I mean about him personally......likes, dis-likes, his family, basically his story....not his philosophies - but more of the basics, what did he do, just him as a person.....When i see him ,I feel like we get the "mask" that is hiding his true self.

.......I find that troubling.

KGC,

Well you can parse all you want, but never in the history of our country had the Office of the President used their poweres to hurt the little guy.

Then the Republicans on the Hill tried to hang them, but they won.

I'm not claiming Senator did, but since they always discussed and had each other's back, I would feel comfortable saying she had a say.

I got home from work about an hour ago and I am catching up reading some other sites when I come across this story on Huffington Post.

The Senate bill on FISA was up for a vote this morning.

Barack Obama voted against giving the Telecoms Immunity for violating our Constitutional rights by helping Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush spy on us.

Hillary Clinton did not show up to vote to protect our rights and the Constitution.

John McCain vote to give immunity and betrayed our Constitution.

So out of the three above who supported our Constitution?

Here's the link to the story.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0208/Dems_fall_well_short_of_stripping_immunity_from_spy_bill.html

Be back later after I catch up with my reading.

Take care and God Bless.

Craig--

I am interested in what can or will happen to John Edwards' delegates? How many does he control and do they give him a bargining chip? Or is the endorsement the only thing the candidates are interested in?

And,,,,in stating my opinion of travel gate, I'll still vote for the DEM Candidate no matter who it is.....

(Daggers back in.....}}}}} ;0)

Burrito - I have the same concerns about him.

Wendy!,

Your civil tone is a delight! Thank you for being such a great Crawfordslister! I'm glad you are here.

Chickadee,

I just gave you a relatively long, but still incomplete, health insurance answer on the last thread. Rather than re-posting and boring others, I'll just let you know it was posted around 5:50 and may be the last item there.

I saw that others have given you info, so you may not care to look back either.

Yes we can? Myabe not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs

Travel Office employees were all at will employees.

Latino voters are very loyal to the Clintons - because for many of them - Bill Clinton is the only Democratic president they have ever experienced. As more Latino voters learn more about Obama - they will vote for him.

Like I say, I am going to Puerto Rico June 7th to celebrate the official end to the rumor that Latios won't support Obama....anyone want to join?

It is going to be quite a fiesta...mucho bailando y bebidas!! (I only hablo a little espanol - lo siento...yo soy un gringo)

Si Se Puede!!

That should read: Maybe not.

Bloomberg is frequently mentioned as a possible independent candidate for the 2008 presidential election, is there a deadline for him to meet to get his name on the ballot?

If Obama is the nominee, Florida will go Republican. The Cubans in Miami will never vote for man who has a Cuban flag with the picture of Che in one of his campaign offices. Obama also has a top advisors who as an attorney represented the Cuban Govt during the Elian case. This will motivate them like nothing else.

Mccain has been endorsed by two very popular Florida politicians.

Also, I think Obama may have trouble with Jewish vote as well. You can't win Florida if you have both the Jewish and Cuban-American votes against you.

dog
no passport needed for Puerto Rico ...yet.

VA Polls close in 57 min.

Burrito / Wendy:

Here is a good brief article on Obama's story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080211/pl_bloomberg/aoowmgwy_via_1

At Will employees.....just the type of Little People that need the protection of the US Government.

Two got settlements on their retirements. the rest did not have jobs for two years. Almost all lost all the money they had ever saved for retirement on legal defense and had to start all over again in their middle age.....

Craig,

While I agree that McCain v Obama will find the former commanding a majority of the hispanic votes, I wonder if it would be enough to turn the tide in a state like California. Were he to court that vote, how much will it help him offset the apoplectic anger that he would get from the hard core right?

Patsi, my response to the lawyer joke was to illustrate how overly sensitive we tend to be on these pages. Unless you get as edgy as a Lawrence Welk concert, anyone can be offended by anything we say.

If you want a joke to be offended by, my personal favorite is the following:

Why does Helen Keller's bed have holes in it?

The fact that I laugh everytime I hear the joke is just another on the long list of reasons why I have a luxury handbasket on call...

BTW , that video link I posted is the John McCain response to Obama's "Yes We Can" video.

What is wrong with Cafferty? He is constantly degrading Hillary, over and over. It does not matter what she says, according to him, she is always wrong.
He is hateful.
As for the person who served in the White House, this has never happened before in the last 100 years? And of course Obama has never done this in his office.
Give me a break!

Corey

That was funny.

Absolutely! And get a new bathing suit! Some friends have already expressed an interest. I say we get down there around June 3-4 or so...

More details to come...

Forget the McCain video,

I have a dream moment for this campaign...

George Allen is prominently displayed on the McCain page with his endorsement. I would give 5 years of my life to have McCain start calling Obama, Makaka while campaigning with VA's finest next October as a way to rally conservatives and galvanize his way to the White House.

Warren

I'll admit I've read Hillary's books and not Obama's. That said...he is doing things during the campaign that rub me the wrong way - I know it's personal but I'm sure it's the same for people that don't like Hillary - she rubs them the wrong way.

I'll admit it. I've always been inspired by strong women who have been my role models. Men usually don't have much to say to me - I'm not inspired by Obama. I listed some things about his arrogance that bother me on another thread...this is why he doesn't inspire me. I know it's me...there are others like me but I know not everyone is. I can appreciate that. Reading his book probably won't change how I feel about him right now.

Given that I also believe she is extremely well qualified for the position of president on policy issues as well - the choice has ALWAYS been easy for me. I didn't have to flip a coin, I didn't have to pray about it. I always knew I'd mark her name on my ballot. I hope we make it through the dark days of Feb so I don't have to struggle with my decision in November.

Bear...you didn't think Lawrence Welk was edgy? Boy, you must have missed the show where he mainlined on stage, then exposed himself to the audience.
:)

Bear

Humor and politics go hand in hand. Ever since the first political cartoon was drawn, people have been laughing or smiling or fuming.

Today, comedians deliver serious political comment, late night talk shows thrive on the political in their monolugues. I am waiting for Craig to write his next book, "What is so funny about politics, anyway?" I'll read that.

And just like voting and comedy, no one can tell me 'who' to vote for and no one can tell me 'what' to laugh at.

Still catching up.

Here's two links on why I say there may not be elections in November.

http://www.northcom.mil/News/2008/020108.html

http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/bush-is-real-close-to-implementing-martial-law/#comments

Yeah I know, you think I'm crazy. Be back when I'm done catching up with my reading.

God Bless.

Wendy:

Strength is often confused as arrogance.

I am sure strong women face this struggle all the time.

KGC,

I had to go back and re-read Sheila's Travelgate post to figure out what you two are sparring over. You gave the legal answer, but you're ignoring the fact that Sheila worked with these folks and was clearly hurt by their treatment. Yes, there are all sorts of government jobs that turn over with each administration, but I think Sheila's point is that these folks were generally below that radar, and below those pay-grades.

It was an ugly incident, which I would hope the Clintons have learned from, but it helps explain why and when they lost Sheila.

LL,,,,,Did you see that? I mean he exposed himself to the audience with none other than the Accordian.....Bizarre!

And when I think kink-o-rama, I think two words:

Bobby and Sissy.

EuroTom

If you haven't staggered off to bed. For face forward in the video, I'm also the one standing with the statue (I'm the one on the right) taken when I was in Scotland.

Happy Pre-Valentines Day.

http://www.thebirdandthebee.com/

ohhhh...Edvb,,,,Thanks so much. It was hard to explain all these years.

there are many things I admire about Clintons managerial style and accomplishments, but slamming the little guy is the heighth of arrogance and power runamock.

I'm leary and have voted for Obama, but I will repeat that I will Campaign and vote for the DEM Candidate no matter who it turns out to be

Warren

Some people might be confused...I am not. I posted that I know this is my perception and others may not feel that way. I can assure you that I know others that see his behavior as arrogant...not strong. While most men don't inspire me...I can appreciate and recognize the strength of a man.

Travelgate was indeed the "Billy Beer" moment of the Clinton presidency. That is defined as the moment when the red-neckery of one's roots overshadows the promise of one's hopes and dreams.

KGC

One of the other attractions for Hispanics is that they as a whole are more conservative than other Democratic constituencies. Hillary is more aligned with that block.

P.S. Contrary to what Matthews says, some of us college educated Starbucks people are in the Clinton camp.

Sheila,

To give equal time, now I have to pick on you. You believe that "most Obama supporters have read both books and all his speeches?"

That's a lot of book sales, and library check-outs. I think you might have over-stated your case on that one. Either that, or I'm a lot more illiterate than my kids say I am.

I'm just saying "most" of almost anything political is a pretty big number.

EdVB
There is no doubt a personal connection often gives a different perspective. Sheila has already said she would not withold her vote over this issue. Also the Clintons were never sued or settled any lawsuits over this issue and were within their rights to replace whitehouse staff. There were lots of bad actors in this scenario. . I understand why she feels her friends got screwed.

Did you see my post on the other thread saying you are right not a majority?

Wendy:

I think it is going to take tremendous strength vision - and yes even a bit of arrogance - to bring this country together and tackle the problems we face.

People have told Obama he couldn't win - just like they say he can't fix anything or make a real change. He is going to need some arrogance to keep fighting in the face of that.

Ed,

BINGO ;0)

Warren

I think we need a lot of diplomacy moving forward...we've seen what arrogance brings us.

That said...you may be right...I may be wrong. I don't agree with your take on it. But hey - we don't need to agree.

ED,

maybe I should have said most of the ones on this BLOG? I know most of them have poored over the books and speeches.

Wendy, you win "the most self-actualized adult human being on this blog" award for the day. And Warren gets an honorable mention.
Bravo.

Wendy,

As for arrogance, perhaps its in the eyes of the beholder? I don't see Arrogance in Clinton. I don't see arrogance in Obama. I honestly see a ferocious care for the common man in both.

Hooray for Wendy and Warren!!!!! (chuckle and Lardass)

IMHO, I do not think any of the candidates can make it to the Senate without any dirty laundry...some just have been in DC longer and have longer laundry list. And if it is so dirty in DC, why are all of the candidates trying so hard to get the power to increase that dirty laundry? BHO just hasn't been there as long as McBush or HRC. That is the difference.

that's Chuckel @ lardass

Sheila, I propose we make it a daily award...administered by you.

....lol....that's chuckle @ Lardass.....spell check complete.... ;0)

Wendy:

Life would be boring if we all agreed - and we would learn far less.

I know arguing with all of you people has sharpened my knowledge of both candidates.

And I am big on diplomacy. Foreign Policy has always been my greatest interest in politics.

I think his policies have been right on. Moreover, the fact that the people of Kenya and Indonesia will also be inspired and feel a connection with a US President - as opposed to the hatred most in the world feel towards George Bush - will work in great and mysterious ways...

LOLLOOLOL I'm try LL.....actually, this would be the time to give notable "atta peoples"...or as you say, Self Actualized Human Beings... good idea!

KGC,

I missed your post on the last blog, but figured we were in agreement on those numbers and the word choice. As it turned out I picked on both you AND Sheila for going over-board with "most" today. Please don't feel bad. It's just word-game stuff that my kids and I get each other on daily. "The little brats."

"Now where did you learn "informative" that information? I need to make this point to family members. "

Most of that came direct from the candidate explaining the differences between her 100% coverage versus the Obama 85% coverage. In addition here is the Health care page from her issues section

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/healthcareplan/

Apparently turnout is very low in Maryland
so is it new highly motivated voters or the folks who always turn out?

Chuck Todd said he didn't want to predict Va because of the possibility of the Wilder effect. ?

LOL LL

hey.....just popping in for a moment to talk to dog.....

hey dog..... are you listening?.....

you own a beagle, if I remember right......

the Uno whom KGC and I have alluded to is a beagle that won the hound group at the Westminster Kennel Club show in Madison Square Garden.....

the second part and best in show winner is tonight.......
it's on the USA channel..... from 8-11 pm.....

I think it's a great diversion from politics for a night...... :0)

The problem with most memories of the Clinton years is that Kenneth Star hijacked the country and in doing so -the truth was buried. Most American remember headlines only. Sound bytes.

EdVB
No problem. Our family motto is "often wrong never in doubt"

I am going to watch now instead of read.

Warren

I do agree with you there - if we all agreed Hillary would be president

;-)

and life would be boring.

LOL

I am dissapointed to know Norah's married. At least he seems like a good guy...

Senator John Warner is the totel picture of an Elder Statesman.

{chuckles @ Warren} Don't worry, their are other fish to oggle. Another will come along soon

OK - driving home and going to listen to the returns on the way...cry in my beer when I get home.

I'm actually kidding about that - I actually don't drink

Jamie:

On Healthcare:

If healthcare is the major issue in the presidential debate it will become polarized and polticized. McCain (and his VP) will have the world stage to articulate the free market position against - and use the politics of fear on the mandates.

That polarization will inhibit reaching agreement on a health care bill that can get to the President's desk.

The major issue in the general election should be Iraq. Obama and America beat McBush on that one.

EDvb----I went back to your post at 5:50PM. Thank you.

"I can speak a little on health care, but don't pretend to know the ins and outs of Hillary's plan. I'd disagree with a statement that says, "No claim can be denied," and go more for, "No applicant can be denied."

That's a big DIFFERENCE between "no claim can be denied" and "no applicant can be denied".

Correct me if I am wrong.

WOW...huge cross over of REPUBs for Obama in VA.....I can't wait the see the full map of stats tomorrow

re: McCain & Hispanics

Good analysis, Craig. I haven't heard anyone talking about this. Most "political analysts" recycle the same "talking points of the day."

It's not just immigration. Hispanics like a STRONG military. They're very patriotic. McCain's military service & POW experience will really resonate with them.

Neither of the Dems have ANY military service, not even a disreputable record in the Texas Air National Guard.

When I made the argument about new voters to my GOP friend - he shot back - what % are young voters in the general. Totally discounting it. Looks like that number is growing.

Warren,

I like Lee Cowan....cute!

Wendy,

I'm with you on Obama. He sets off all my alarm bells. I've read the book. I've read the commentary hear. He just doesn't impress me. Who knows it may be that I'm just not a "joiner", hate cliques, and find all movements suspect. There just doesn't seem to be all that much there.

Hillary just comes across as the kind of woman I want to represent me: Intelligent, hard-working, competent.

Warren: Young Dem voters have been energized by Barak to get involved. Even if Hillary wins, they'll still turn out to vote. The number of registered Republicans is dropping and they can't seem to attract ANY young voters.

Aren't the Repugs voting Obama to give the loss to Hillary? since McCaine doesn't need their votes?

Is that not what is going on here? or are they really switching?

Jamie Sweetie....and I mean that...

Who knows it may be that I'm just not a "joiner", hate cliques, and find all movements suspect. There just doesn't seem to be all that much there.

My goodness you know I love you, but don't you think WE are seeing our reflection in YOU?

It also hasn't help that Matthews has been doing nothing but slash and burn on Clinton for months and tonight talking about "White Men" have switched to Obama.

More of the "old boy's boy's club - girls need not apply"

yep I agree Jamie

Nash:

Not the ones looking for change.

Jamie:

Some of my best friends are skeptics. They keep me on my toes while my head is in the clouds ; )

Sheila,

I'm quite willing to admit that it is my perception of the crowds he is getting. The caucus I attended didn't help. Not including you because I respect your sincerity, but way too many of those folks knew absolutely nothing about the issues or the candidates. They were excited by the slogans and glib platitudes. Quite frankly that kind of religious fervor just plain creeps me out.

Jaimie---"More of the "old boy's boy's club - girls need not apply"

Kind of like OINK OINK

White men rule MSNBC.....they have their followers. This is their way of spewing their misogyny, without saying anything that can be quoted, or held against them.....It's the same effect just a different path.

I see through it.

Jamie: Obama has chosen to adopt a more "inspirational" strategy, while Clinton is a more of a policy wonk.

They're really not that different on policy; each has just chosen a different emphasis.

They are both good, decent political leaders with about the same moderate/liberal stance. Their rivalry has artificially magnified their differences.

Speculation Alert:

The Huck is still in the race because the Republicans are currently conducting a covert op against Hillary.

The right is rallying against McCain (using a cast of their worst characters Limbaugh, Coulture, etc.). Everyone is saying he must win them over.

Setting up the mavervick McCain to drive the straight talk express to run right to the center. They think this is they key to the general because the Clintons will inspire the base.

Again pure speculation.

Fact: the Republicans are not prepared to run against Obama.

Oooo Nash....Succinct!

Of course, Clinton is an android. But, as Harrison Ford said in "Blade Runner," that shouldn't matter.

What I'm loving are the Republicans continuing to vote for Huckleberry.

Well, I have decided that I am not going to watch the news stations anymore. I cannot take the BIAS. I did not know our country was so unfair. It is sad.
Just now they were announcing that Obama won VA and the lady announcer almost jumped out of her seat in glee. So sad.
They, the media, has governed this election. That is a lot of power!!! unbelievable.
Craig I will still read you work.

Warren...you need to give up on Norah, dude. She's just a TV-created illusion. She's all makeup, hair, high heels and wardrobe. Spray her down with a high-pressure fire hose and all that's left is a skinny, shivering little bird.

If I were a young buck like you...I'd be bird-dogging someone like Wendy. You two seem to be hitting it off! Go for it man!

Nash

sigh....you had to end YOUR MO.... ;0)

You see, Sheila. I said a nice, decent thing, and then I ruined it with a cheap shot at HRC. I should be ashamed of myself, and I am. (Ten minutes in the Crawfordslist penalty box.)

"That demeans everyone who turned out to vote."

That is what their exit polls are showing. Of course not all of the white guys voting are as Mysogynistic as Tweety, but they are part of what is still a male power structure. It's like black people saying they know racism when they hear it even from someone who pleads innocent to being prejudiced (there is just a climate and while no insult was intended, it's hard not to feel a slight)

If Obama is getting the white males and Clinton is getting the white females, the women are seeing and hearing something that is out there whether the guys can see it or not.

Uh oh Lardass - you could be the next Shuster!! And with what you said about Norah - I might join them in burning you at the stake. Hah!

I'd at least throw you a beer!

Jamie commented---"It also hasn't help that Matthews has been doing nothing but slash and burn on Clinton for months and tonight talking about "White Men" have switched to Obama"

I just heard Matthews make a comment in regards to why Huckabee is taking votes from McCain.

He said that he does believe the reason to be NON STOP CONTEMPT. Matthews ought to know.

Isn't it funny how that non stop contempt can effect the voters and the elections. It's not right.

Last election, when Bush won, I was sick.

What has happened while he has been in office, as a result of the idiots who voted for him, I really have a tough time accepting. I do not want to see it happen once again, but I think we are close.

If the choice ends up OBAMA v. McCain it is going to be a roll of the dice.

When I'm sitting here in the penalty box, can I read a newspaper or something? Or am I just supposed to sit here quietly and meditate on my bad behavior?

Wow 64% of the under $50, 000 earners Obama won. thats a crack in the glass

Ignoring Nash while he's in the corner....60 more secs

Warren. Seriously. There is nothing about Norah or her career that has not been fine-tuned and calculated in a laboratory that manufactures fake sex-appeal to mask naked ambition and marginal ability. Steer clear, pal. Park your fantasies elsewhere.

How do they get that statistic? When I vote, no one knows my salary, or do they do it based on what neighborhood you live in?

Bingo Burrito

its not hard with today's technology to figure that one out in the returns.

Maryland will be interesting.....

under 50k..that is including or excluding his 90% black vote?

Burrito,

I think its a color blind stat.

In religion, politics, and life in general, there are two types of people the Apollonian and the Dionysian: The cooler Classical vs. the more heated Romantic.

They both can be extremely intense, just in very different ways. The Dem candidates litterally represent each type with Hillary as the Apollonian and Obama as the Dionysian.

All of us nitpicky wonks are just uncomfortable around all you slogan chanters. :-)

LL: it works on me! I am gullible.

Imagine if we had a half Black, half Hispanic, woman running for President.

I think I found a winner!!!!!

Jamie,,,,,,I believe I have the edge on Obama-wonk. ;0)

Burrito:

How bout Obama-Richardson?

Looked like Bill couldn't strong arm an endorsement at the Superbowl party...

Warren, far be it from me to offer you advice in your love life (Wendy) but still, I think it's important (Wendy) that I steer you away from TV fantasies like Norah O'Donnell and instead point you to more fulfilling (Wendy) objects of affection that could lead to true love (Wendy).

Signed,
Subliminal Man

laughing @ lard

LL: You're right - I should watch less TV (point-taken).

Congrats to the Obamamaniacs on Virginia!

Warren...you've brought a lot of good insight to this little neck of the Internet...so I hope you stick around.

Enough of this political stuff:

Jericho returns tonight at 10:00

All of you patriots need to watch and save the U.S.

Ally,

Thank you. Much Appreciated. Your good sportsmanship!

LL: unfortunately - I'm addicted.

I am really disappointed.

I'll send Hillary some money tonight, but quite honestly, I am sick of the whole ball of wax.

BTW, I don't believe Craig's premise at all. If Obama doesn't get a lot of the Latino vote in Texas or Ohio, this doesn't demonstrate his potential for getting it in a general election. Just as this primary season where Obama is getting 8 or 9 out of every 10 black votes, if HRC was nominated, she'd get 8-9 out of 10 of the black vote.

In this primary season, this is still about a state by state election which means introducing yourself to the voters. The Clintons have a built in advantage because of name recognition.

Now in a general election, Obama will have time to build name recognition. And with McCain, for every Latino vote he gets by speaking to Latino interests, he'll lose in white conservatives.

Jamie,

You watch for me. Jericho is too chiling for my sensitive personality. ;0)

and thanks. My mom didn't stress manners (and curses like a truck driver!).

I'm going drinking. Go Obama!

Here comes DC......

I am not seeing Obama as having any greater chance of being a uniter than Hillary. Look at how polarized the democrats on this blog have become. While many here have professed their plan to support the eventual democratic nominee I suspect that we may not see this phenomena in the wider population that is not as active in following politics.

While I respect the fervor of the supporters of Obama I am much more skeptical about: 1) his being able to be elected and 2) being more sucessful than Jimmy Carter's presidency.

1) I just do not see him winning against McCain, I may be wrong but that what my intution tells me.

2) Should he win, I think that it will be so close that he will not have enough of the aforementioned political capital to force his currently nebelus agenda into legislation without it being diluted and comprimised. Carter is known as a much better ex-president than he was a President. Remember how devalued GWB's political became, and his ratings were huge at one time.

The other item that concerns me, and the republicans will use this, is that he may be pereceived as a dove, which could invite an attack against the US of some nature to probe for weakness that can be exploited by our enemies.

This is a man's world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCIyzNISw1Q

Si se puede!

Start making plans for June.

I'm just not over Va....one of the historically racist (On Both Sides of the tracks) States in the nation....close to NC on many counts.

Well, hush my mouth. What a surprising outcome!

My question: If Virginia goes Blue in the general...does that mean we can stop demonizing Robert E. Lee? Seems only natural. And I'd throw Stonewall into the mix as well...another great American who was just doing his job. I'm being serious, not ironic. I'd be all for it.

The Dems are in the process of self-destructing, again. They are being helped along by MSM and don't understand the manipulation. This is a "Cult of Personality". At some point in time, "reality happens". When it does, the Obama groupies are in for a terrible letdown.

lard.

Should have been done long ago. Both have been proven over and over again to be just acting in the best interest of their families. It was a hard choice.

Gordo.

can you say, calculated risk?

Sheila

Even when I was in DC back in the 80s, Virginia was already morphing into the government employed yuppie haven it has become. Now mid income blacks were headed to Maryland and mid income whites were headed to Virginia, but for the most part they were from all over the U.S. and the old Dominion wasn't quite the Dominion it once was.

It is only that stretch out among the rural acreage that still maintains a sort of "old south" or "tennessee regular" feel, but even there they are into a new generation.

Well remember the good ole boys that line the southern border.

I am amazed anyway,

Jamie...no matter how much Virginia changes, Stonewall will always be buried near Fredericksburg! And they'll never dig him up.
Strike the tent!

Hummmnnnn!!! Would seem Obama is doing better than expected with Latino voters in Virginia. Wouldn't you say? Actually, he's pulling in all demographics. Now we need to wait on Maryland...until 9:30.

I believe he can take the McCain votes but can HRD takes those votes if she is the candidate. I say NO.

Chickadee,

Yes, we're saying no applicant can be denied for health care coverage, not that every medical claim will be paid.

I assume there would be some basic version of coverage that any carrier must make available, then layers of other things that might be covered, or might be covered more extensively, if you're willing to pay a higher premium. That's the current model for Medicare Supplemental (Medigap) policies.

With Medigap there's definitely an effort to simplify shopping for Medicare eligible folks. Every insurer's Medigap plan C looks exactly the same. Similarly every insurer's plan D, E, F, etc. Prices, however, can vary.

The last time I looked at any coverage outside New York state, some states allowed plans to exclude maternity coverage. So, you had a choice of buying health insurance with or without maternity benefits. You can imagine that the young people, who wanted to purchase that coverage would be paying much more for that benefit in that situation than a couple in New York, who were having that cost shared by all insured individuals, even those well past child-bearing age. (You may note my old-fashioned Catholic values creeping into my language. I think in terms of couples regarding this benefit, and pray that my kids keep thinking the same way.)

I wasn't surprised about VA, but I am unsure of Maryland. I think its more of a question mark.

LaL

I'm not speaking to you. I used Apollonian and Dionysian in a sentence and you didn't propose for the third night in a row.

Crushed and rejected.

Dog...the arm is what mattered.

Karo,

I think there is so much that can happen between now and November.

Can you even imagine it getting so bad for OBAMA that you think to yourself, "yeah we should have stuck with HRC?"

Be careful, McCain and the repugs are going to be brutal and the have the power of the white house behind them....they believe in winning at all cost.....fake terror alerts, bomb threats at events, the dirt they will spew etc.

Your Delusional. She wouldn't be in Tx spending some of that 5 mill if she planned on quitting.

Crap, Jamie...I'm sorry. I did truly love that post of yours tonite. But I was cowering in awe....and forgot to comment. That, and I'm trying to brush up on my John Dryden poetry....
I still can't get over you ferreting out the stoops to conquer reference so quickly the other night. I think it still may be applicable...depending on how Hillary does in Ohio/Texas/Pennsylvania.

I learned today that a friend of mine whose wife is a VP of a huge corporation in Central Ohio is a Republican and she is voting for Obama. He is wrestling with the idea and is getting closer to that decision.

Even some of his co-workers, who are Republican, are cheering Hilliary on. They want her to win because they believe they have a shot at beating her. These are not dumb guys. I worked with them. Ex-FBI agents, ex-miliary leaders, and VPs of a very huge corporation.

Well Dryden is appropriate

"A knock-down argument; 'tis but a word and a blow.

no wonder they were republicans

Jamie

That's funny because my brother went by Jamie growing up so funny to see people put Jamie and Wendy when talking to us.

Anyway - I'm with you on Hillary

Wendy,

Jamie is short for one of my middle names "Jamieson".

Thanks for the tech info, Craig. Didn't realize about the link.

Am I hearing the Repubs talking more about Obama winning? I think they think they can beat him but not Hillary.

tt

Sheila,
"Here is why I like Obama.....Fresh, intelligent, a team player, a coach, an authoritarian. I could go on,"

Well I'll pick that up for you Sheila.

It's a Q&A with Barack Obama December 20th in the Boston Globe's Charlie Savage. "Does the Constitution permit a president to detain US citizens without charges as unlawful enemy combatants?" Obama's answer: "No. I reject the Bush Administration's claim that the President has plenary authority under the Constitution to detain U.S. citizens without charges as unlawful enemy combatants."

It is not the Bush administration's position. The Supreme Court held in 2004 -- US vs. Hamdi. The president has the power to detain American citizens without charges as enemy combatants.

Obama gets it wrong on who ratifies treaties and who consents to treaties. He says the president doesn't have the authority to abolish treaties. Bush abolished the ABM treaty shortly after taking office because Bush said it's irrelevant. The Soviets are gone. It is the POTUS who makes treaties, negotiates them, comes up with them.

Obama is wanting to hand out drivers license to illegal immigrants. Obama: "From my perspective, I agree with Bill Richardson that there is a public safety concern here and that we're better off, because I don't want a bunch of hit-and-run drivers, because they're worried about being deported and so they don't report an accident. That is a judgment all." And how is a drivers license going to prevent a hit and run driver? Is Obmam suggesting that the very fact that you are in possession of a license you will stop and wait for the police. Insurance companies and police department may have a perspective on that issue. Isn't it the car insurance, and not the drivers license, that protects the wronged driver? Hit and run accidents are when there are personal injuries. leaving the scene of the accident is when there are no personal injuries. For an attorney he seems a bit confused.

Craig was right on spot this morning about the love affairs the MSM is having with Obama. The MSM is really stymied, how can you ask a black person about their past without someone suggesting you are playing the race card? When is the MSM going to talk to people from his past? For that matter when are people from his past going to come forth with their recollections of him? But this is slowly changing day by day as some in the MSM are starting to peek beneath Obama's facade. Remember, if it is to good to be true...?

Jamie

Jamie was short for my brothers middle name as well - James.

Obama has recently won because his groups of supporters were the largest. I read about these demographics of the people who support Obama. In the exit polls, one of his groups is the affluent whites. Here is what I ask of them: what do they know of suffering? What do they know about not having health care? Of fearing job loss? Of worrying about home foreclosure? They do not know any of this anxiety. So, they vote based on idealism. They vote on high rhetoric. They vote on what makes them temporarily feel good.

When these people are asked what issue they like about Obama, they respond with Hope and Change. They do not know what he stands for.

As a person who is grounded by real issues, I can tell you exactely what I like about Hillary's policies. She proposes universal health care, and she has experience getting this done by working on S-Chip.

Well, as one who struggles, I can tell you that the days Obama winning are soon over because the next states after tonight will reflect the will of the working class, not the affluent. The next states will also include Latinos.

LL - Warren is not my type

:-)

but that's funny none the less.

Yes...Jericho I've been counting the days - will help ease todays pain!

I have a question of you all- has anyone here ever been interviewed in an exit poll or know anyone who has?
~g

CNN Wolf Blitzer said "we don't do exit polling in DC"

Hillary is cranking up the spin machine to give a speech in El Paso tonight. 60% of the population is Hispanic.

Be on the alert for racist code words.

"Be on the alert for racist code words"

For example

Hello El Paso
Please Vote for Me

OMG - Texas is off the hook for Hillary right now!!!!

KGC - LOL

Wait...was my saying off the hook code...?

Whew! There is ice all over the place here in VA. I-95 southbound was shut down for the pm rush house -- and I know at least 10 Hillary voters were stuck in traffic and could not vote. Would it matter? Who knows. Unless BHO gets 69% of the vote in all districts they'll pretty evenly split the delegates. Also SW VA strongholds for Clinton were all messed up between the wild fires and the ice storms leaving 10 polling places without power so they were relocated. Some VA judge should have extended voting hours in VA like wasdone in MD.

Mike Henry has resigned -- but I'm not surprised. I 've known Mike for 14 years. Mike is from VA -- he was once the Executive Director for the DPVA, a Warner kid - he coordinated the Mark Warner for Governor campaign statewide. He also worked ro Tim Kaine and ran the coordinated campaign in 2005. Mike also has some Florida connections having worked on Senator Nelson's campaigns. I'm guessing that he Mike is getting a better offer from Warner.

Basically, I think that the Clinton campaign thought this was going to be over with by Feb 5th and they really didn't have any plans in place for Virginia and Maryland. DC was always counted in the Obama camp, as MSNBC is calling it for Obama with 0% reporting.

Maryland polls are still open -- the VAGOP reportedly refused to keep them open here in VA., and both sides had to agree.

The Clintons really know how to distort reality. I'm looking at their rally and boy are they excited to get blown out in three primaries.

Alpha alpha alpha - Texas loves Hillary...

We're going through some dark days here in Feb. March may be dark days for Obama's camp.

Let's take it to the convention!

Racist code words to listen for in Hillary's speech tonight...

Hispanics ...
"are hard working" (blacks are not)
"have strong families" (black families are dysfunctional)
"love America" (blacks are still whining about slavery)
"do the jobs that others won't do" (others = blacks)

What a load of crap.

WHY IS MSNBC COVERING HRC's SPEECH?

She's just trying to diminish Obama's victory.

Ah Ha! She just said "I'm part of the El Paso Family"

One down and three to go on the racist code list.

She said it "Hard working"

Two down, two to go.

KGC,

You will be delighted to hear that a gay realtor I deal with down here in Texas is petrified that Obama will be the new Jimmy Carter...He would have voted for Romney before him.

One of the things I said I did not like about Hillary Clinton was an air of arrogance in her campaign and her supporters...

This is a perfect example of that. For you folks in Pennsylvania, you should be proud of your anti choice governors comments...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23134717/

She said it again! "Hard working."

Bear

I feel the same way about Obama, his campaign and SOME of his supporters.

"Hard working" she just said it four times in a row!!!

Nash,

I hope she doesn't ask for a towel...

Someone earlier commented about Obama not getting the Cuban vote...in my opinion, the Cuban population of South Florida is far worse than anyone streaming in from Mexico.

The "illegally undocumented workers" seem to work hard and try to fit in. Their kids assimilate into society very quickly whereas the Cuban population demands that everyone else assimilates to them. That and the special immigration rights they get are offensive to other populations that are more impoverished and more politically tortured than them. If they wish to vote for McCain, let them.

Bear - ugh.

Nash...so you are saying that African-Americans, the slaves upon whose backs this nation was built, are not hard-working?

What are you saying pal? Whose stereotypes and whose "code" are we talking about?

re: Hillary in El Paso...
Not a bad speech. But remember that Clinton surrogates have been going around saying that "Hispanics won't vote for a black man."

nash

short for nashing your teeth.

Someone up thread, I think it was Wendy, was going to drown her sorrow in beer, but then admitted she didn't drink.

Wendy, or whoever,

I don't have any sorrows to drown, but I'm having a Cooperstown Brewery Old Slugger Pale Ale on your behalf. Never let it be said that C-Listers can't work as a team.

I am having a hard time to figure out if Nash is being serious about this code language thing. Are you for real?

LaL

Nash is an equal opportunity insult manufacturer. Sometimes they are very funny and other times you tilt your head to one side, cringe, and go HuH?

Nash you missed the biggest code of all: She's wearing the BROWN pantsuit.

Lardass: I'm not the one running a racist campaign.

The Clintons do this stuff all the time, then they play the victim and claim they're being smeared. They and their surrogates have been using racist code words since the day Obama first emerged as a threat.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, the Clintons will do ANYTHING to win. You may admire them for that. I do not.

Ally: About half the time I'm being serious.

But even I don't know which half.

EdVB

Thank you! It's good to know you have my back.

Hillary's speech tonight is energizing me. I'm perkin' up!

Nash...I guess I'm just asking...where can I get the supposed code book. Barnes & Noble?
Because I just don't see it.

LaL - I think it's the former.

NEW THREAT

Craig...threat...really

Have we raised the national alert?

Lardass: I'm going to go Google racist code words. I'll be back with a list for you.

Wendy...I agree. He's both sorry and disingenuous.

Nash: OK, just checking. Cause you are kind of wiggin' me out.

Married to a Mexican American woman and living in the borderlands of the southwest, our dinner table discussion tonight while watching the primary results and Hillary Clinton's appearance in Tejas was about the role of "machismo" in the upcoming elections. So, Craig, add to your essay the idea that Hispanic men are more likely to vote for a man than a woman. The glass ceiling is a lot lower in the Hispanic community than in the nation as a whole. Machismo is alive and well!

While it's still three weeks ahead, Tejas could be a whole lot closer than what the pundits are saying now in part to the "machismo effect."

Thanks Nash. Meanwhile...I'm going to go radio the commander of my cult, who lives in a submarine off the coast. I'll be back with his insights for you.

ha, make that NEW THREAD

Sheila

I put up the truffles

http://jdurward.blogspot.com

RELOAD NEW THREAD

Well I'm caught up now.

dog...
I believe that after May 1st. 2008 you will need a passport or a real Id to travel on any airline. I could be wrong, but that is how I understood the DHS bill on the Real ID Act.

Also if you travel be sure that any electronic equipment you have has no information on it. You may be forced to log on to a laptop and give them your username and password for your computer, email log on and password, they will go through your cell phone address list as well.

They may also confiscate them from you. Just a heads up and I like said I may be wrong about the passport.

No passport, no Real ID or Drivers License that complies with the new law will get you pulled out of line and you will be given a full search of your body and personal belongings.

God Bless.

The beagle won best in show. Standing ovation.

Just love my 4 beagles!

That may be the case for Nevada and California but Texas Hispanics just like Texas are independent minded like the rest of the state. We are not the West, the South, or the Southwest. Texas goes whichever way its people want. Do not be surprised of better than expected turnout for Obama.

wow these comments are depressing. I find it simultaneously sad and hilarious when people complain to other people about how little they themselves know about Obama. really, it's the dumbest collective phenomenon I've ever witnessed about a candidate. I mean, you've made it on to the internet, and mostly can form at least semi-cogent sentences. read! jesus h. christ this stuff is important, inform yourself!