Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

new thread?

WOO HOO... I'm the first. I'm honored...

Craig, if the people are so stupid to believe that it's nothing because the New York Times was investigating, and if they cannot see his hypocrisy, well then they will continue down this road of electing IDIOTS to office.

Craig,

I agree he wins the "Attack the Messenger" man of the month award, but with word of him saying contradictory things in a deposition in 2002?, I wonder if the New York Times is setting him up for a political version of waterboarding?

The paper has a reputation to keep and I am sure someone there also read you book and they won't make the CBS mistake of not countering the counter.

Just like in the Roger Clemens case, there are now picture of him at the party he denied being at. I suspect the same thing will happen to McCain in this instance.

Reposting from previous thread regarding answer to NAFTA issue:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/02/friday-night-links.html#comment-40764

Bill Keller said it is the fault of the readers for not getting the point of the story.

Isn't that the job of the edior.

Hey Craig:

I love the guys over at Plays 2 Run - they explained what McCain did by focusing more on the sex scandal part of it makes the money scandal part fade into the background because we all love sex scandals the most. They said this is a real tactic called a "disco" - distracting with something trivial that is related to draw attention away from the significant issue. Used in parliament I think.

I'll see if I can find any audio on this and post the link - supposedly Alexander Hamilton did something very similar when he was Secretary of the Treasury and was accused of embezzling money.

Right now on c-span

Tavis Smiley's black conference state of the black
union--discussing the animus occuring among
blacks for supporting Hillary/Obama. Various black
members are expressing their concerns.

Right now on c-span

Tavis Smiley's black conference state of the black
union--discussing the animus occuring among
blacks for supporting Hillary/Obama. Various black
members are expressing their concerns.

GOP Games a November Victory

"Thanks to the Democratic party’s lame, divisive, disorganized, and inconsistent primary systems in 50 states, the Republicans have rich opportunities to help determine the candidate they most want to face in the general election: Barack Obama. You’ll note that they’re using GOPers’ hatred of the Clintons to motivate switch-over voting, but — please THINK about it, everyone. If the GOP feared Barack Obama in the general election, they’d urge everyone to vote for Hillary Clinton. They’re using Clinton hatred to motivate their sheep. But they know Obama will be easier to defeat than Clinton.

Here’s what’s going on in Texas:

Attention All Texas Republicans and Independents!!

On March 4th, Texas Republicans and Independents will have an opportunity to end Hillary Clinton’s (and Bill’s) presidential ambitions once and for all!

Since Texas has on open primary, Republicans and Independents should sign in at their polling place and request a Democratic ballot. They should then vote for Barack Obama.

Voting Democratic this one time will have NO effect on your ability to vote in the next Republican primary or obviously on your vote in November. "

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

McCain's reputation is nowhere near out of the woods yet. The NY Times made the mistake of muddying their own waters by even mentioning a sexual angle to his lobbyist issues, creating their own red herring. But the Washington Post has this article that is pretty clear about McCain overstepping bounds with his influence peddling.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/22/AR2008022202634.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2008022203188

well he is out of the woods with the SF Chronicle

Editorial
Follow the innuendo

Saturday, February 23, 2008

Sen. John McCain has a legitimate gripe. A New York Times story that highlighted his relationship with lobbyist Vicki Iseman was unfair. It implied more than it delivered.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/23/MNDJV6U0J.DTL&tsp=1

...and here's McCain and his newly-indicted little friend Rick Renzi, who accompanied him to Baghdad last year:

from The Nation

More recently, Renzi visited Iraq with McCain in the spring of 2007--the same trip where McCain, under the protection of 100 American soldiers, three Blackhawk helicopters, and two Apache gunships, famously declared that it was safe to "walk freely" through a Baghdad marketplace. "He's giving it to 'em straight," Renzi said after.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=289083

The democratic party is a mess - which is why I'm switching to Indie

Between open primaries being stupid enough to disenfranchise 2 key states from the beginning, superdelegates, all of it - they're a mess. The democratic party does not think logically or strategically - they are a party of pure emotion - and that's been kicking the democrats butts for over 30 years now.

I would encourage anyone who has doubts about democratics or republicans or two party system to register indie. It is clear that we need to end a 2 party system - and it can start out as a whisper and swell to a chorus - indiependance is the change we seek

We are our only Hope

Yes We Can

:-D

C-Span
....yikes - Mayor of NOLA.....maybe BO did not want to be associated with that.

More from E-mail to send to Texas Republicans:

"After you vote during early voting or on March 4th, you ARE NOT done! Report back to your regular polling place at 7PM on March 4th to sign the Barack Obama list for caucus delegates. In a little known Texas voting quirk, 67 delegates to the Democratic convention will be seated because of these caucuses. This is a full one-third of the total number of Texas delegates. For Hillary to lose, she has to lose the primary votes AND the caucus votes.

I urge you to vote against Hillary Clinton by voting for Barack Obama. Please forward this e-mail to all your Texas Republican and Independent friends so that we can help ensure the Clinton's defeat on March 4th!!!"

http://republicansforobama.org/?q=node/359

gordo - That's why I suspected some Reps were voting for Obama in primaries all along.

Coreen -- I always watch Tavis's State of the Black Union conference. He assembles an awesome panel. I know he really pressed Hillary to appear, even though Barack refused. I think it may end up with her getting booed and that will be the press coverage....no one asking why Barack refused to show up. On the other hand, givenTavis's very public request of her, I don't know how she could refuse.

"GOP Games a November Victory"

They have been doing this from the beginning of the primary season in every state that allows same day registration or open voting. The Republicans has a really bad set of candidates and they had to have someone they thought they could beat. That meant the new kid on the block: Obama

Unfortuantely, Obama has run a masterful campaign, so that is who is likely to be the Dem nominee. Shrug

And yet a lot of criticism of Republicans who did not show up for the debate

I guess when you brand every other candidate a racist
it isn't important to show up

"Barack has the black vote sewn up, his time is better spent elsewhere"

Yes they came out in droves to support him. Now he can flip them off without a penalty.

I thought this thread was about John McCain.

As has been pointed out many times, it would be nice if Florida is in play. If it doesn't matter, then why did Obama change his mind and continue to oppose seating the delegation. I guess he knows he couldn't carry Florida anyway.

John McCain will be here on Monday. He is going to do a small Town Hall meeting...Any questions you'd like me to ask him?

since you guys want to talk about Florida, here's your McCain tie-in to that -- just another reason Obama best not bother with Florida in the general: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2008/02/mccain-and-obam.html

Colleen talk about whom? McBush? Been there, done that for 8 years... :-) But seriously, what is there to say? he's a fraud and a liar...

John McCain will be here on Monday. He is going to do a small Town Hall meeting...Any questions you'd like me to ask him?

Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 23, 2008 11:42 AM

Yes, has he considered botox?

lol

That's a loaded question, what if he is already Botoxed to the max !

or maybe Cindy doesn't share

i am playing with the electoral map this weekend for a future item -- anyone want to play along? Here's my question: What state(s) can Obama win that Dems have been losing? This is a serious question and would prefer this not to be a launching pad for another food fight.

Let's assume that wins everything Gore and Kerry won. That means that among the big-state options he would need Ohio or Florida. Missouri, maybe, but not quite enough. Dems had hoped to make up some difference with new pickups in the Southwest, but that's McCain's base, might be tough.

So, gviven my doubts that Obama can win Florida, my opening theory is that Ohio is the make-or-break for an Obama general election strategy. Not an unusual situtation for Democrats, but seems to be especially true in his case.

okay, ET, I surrender, but please take a look at the link Craig gave us, about McCain and Obama and Cuba-relations. What will we do with Cuba? Here's a cartoon - what can we address with Cuba?

http://news.yahoo.com/comics/uclickcomics/20080220/cx_bs_uc/bs20080220

I sorta want the Cubano blockade to be over with. As I stated on another forum recently (yesterday I think), we need an island resort off the coast of Florida that features great cigars, rum, gambling and prostitution. Just like the good old days. Plus, they be some dynamite photo opportunities there Tambien.

yo soy Horsedooty

I thought this thread was about John McCain.

Posted by: colleen | February 23, 2008 11:35 AM

It's much easier for a mob to justify jumping on a young black man who we suspect is shady, instead of the old battered white war hero that we KNOW is shady...

The old guy has taken enough of a beating and the young guy hasn't...

Before anyone thinks I am race baiting, I am being Sarcastic...though I am sure that GORDO'S fantasy Taylor Marsh will plagiarize my idea and use it soon...

Patsi--Lets hope that Hillary is greeted respectfully, since as you state the media will headline that she is booed--which also then casts the audience in a negative light as well.

Tavis Smiley stated that he has received lots of negative comments because he has mentioned that
Obama declined his invitation.

Stephanie Tubbs Jones has so far held her ground
well--standing tall for her continued support of Hillary
in light of being pressured to do otherwise.

Hi, Bear!

Craig, I was reading something or other this AM about Pennsylvania and how the gap is closing between the Dem candidates, which was 20% in Clinton's favor and is now maybe closer to 10%. Let me see if I can find it, even though I guess PA doesn't matter. It scares me that Ohio does, since they stole the election for Bush in "00 with Tom Ridge's red alert and many other anomalies. As an aside, Gene Robinson called PA "Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with Alabama in the middle" Funny but sad my formerly Democratic State has come to that.

by the way, here's a decent interactive map for playing with electoral strategies: http://www.270towin.com/

Got a robo call "Obama for America," re:early voting, from the Mayor of Cleveland, offering me a ride to the polls....too bad I already voted ....it would have been interesting to see how that all works.

Craig I love that map. I've turned all the States blue. Now I'll get serious with it.

the gop thru applied ugliness could increase McCain's vote substantially.......

Craig,

I think Missouri will be a problem. Though the Evangelical crowd has lost some of their influence in the state, they can still have a major effect on the election in so far as activism and turn out. When you add in the racial issue (It may be ancient history but John Brown's body is still mouldering), it will probably go to McCain unless he totally ticks off the far right.

Both Dem candidates are courting Bill Richardson like mad. NM went to Bush 50/49 % Those 5 electoral votes could make a difference in a real squeaker. I think there are some states such as NM could tip to the Democrats simply because Bush has so totally messed things up simply because of the Independents.

No one thinks SC will be blue

hell.....SC electorate is seeing Lindsay Graham as a danged liberal these days...........

but they'll close ranks around Lindsay and his man Johnny Mc against the barbarians at the gate......no doubt of that........Rush will see that the job is done.......

thanks for playing colleen. on the pull down menu of that map it displays the actual vote from past campaigns. http://www.270towin.com/

Bear,

"old battered white war hero that we KNOW is shady"

Not starting the war all over again, but how do you KNOW. What proof of any kind do you have that Hillary Clinton is in any way corrupt. She has been examined seven ways from Sunday through two major state elections garnering the votes of left, right, and center. What can you point to other than right wing rumors that indicates sleezy associations or acts?

One of my pet peeves that actually keeps me from warming to Obama is the fact that his supporters constantly use Republican talking points to attack Hillary Clinton, even though those same supporters defended Bill Clinton tooth and nail when he was attacked by the right wing.

I looked at 2004 and man that's an ugly map......

Coreen

Stephanie Tubbs Jones is a marvel. Talk about holding your place in space. Can't do much better than beautiful, brilliant and loyal.

"I looked at 2004 and man that's an ugly map......Posted by: sturgeone"

ha, sturg, not so ugly, really -- every Democrat should memorize that map -- not for the gloom and doom, but for seeing just how little it might take to swing it the other way

I think the west is where the Democrats will pick up states. New Mexico was so close last time. I think the Dems get Ohio and Pa also

John McCain and the Clinton Rules

"If any part of an alleged scandal turns out to be true, the media behaves as though the entire story is true.

For the past 10 years, the news media have portrayed Clinton as having acknowledged that Flowers' story was true. He did nothing of the kind -- and Flowers is just about the least credible accuser you could imagine, having lied about the place her supposed affair with Clinton began, about her education, about her career as an entertainer, about having been kidnapped, and about having a twin sister.

Yet because Clinton acknowledged there to be a sliver of truth to Flowers' wild claims, the news media pretended her entire story was true."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802220015?f=h_top

Jamie, I don't understand your 12:19 comment to Bear. He didn't say anything about Hillary. He was talking about McCain and Obama, I think. Unless I missed some discussion from a prior thread or something. Will you please explain? Thanks

okay back to the map

oh, and here's a story from Media Matters about how MSM tends to give Reps a pass and skewer Dems forever and a day

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802220015?f=h_top

oops GORDO you beat me to the Media Matters story

okay - back to that cute map

Jamie...

Can't speak for Bear, but I think the "old battered white war hero" he spoke of was McCain, not Clinton.

I am also counting on Claire McCaskill to turn Mo blue

Gore or Kerry both lost FL & OH, and without a serious 3rd party player , BO should have NM, IA, CO, NH, MO in play.
Enuf to win.

yep, KGC, think Ohio or PA would be kller apps for Dems in the Fall. But Dems won PA in 2000 and 2004, so i am assuming it goes blue. Which gets me back to Ohio as the one that must be flipped. If Obama can win the primary there on March 4 (and the Wisconsin vote suggests he could) that would be a huge boost for November.

HW / Colleen You are right I was seeing Clinton instead of McCain. :-)

Well, I played with the map...and the DEMS won!!! YEA!!!

I think I'm too prejudiced in the Dems favor at this point to think objectively about it...so I'll just cogitate on all your opinions...you little politicos, you....

rezdog, NM is a question with McCain in the mix. Neighboring state, popular with Hispanics for his immigration work

It's been a difficult couple of weeks on the list, Jamie.Hard not to see fights even where none exist. I say you get a pass this time!

jamie,

I agree with colleen, Bears comments were directed at McCain not HRC. Go back and re-read the OP and you will agree with us.

yo soy Horsedooty!

done with my map. Dems win. YAY!

just kidding

I think Ohio is pretty blue these days given the 2006 and 2007 votes. Plus without Ken Blackwell to suppress the Democratic vote. Plus they have already exhausted their opportunities for some hate legislation to turn out the fundies.

I came up with a map that is 302/236 ... well it made me happy. :-)

WA OR CA NV CO NM in the West then a rust belt/east coast combo of

MN WI IL IN OH MI PA DC MD DE NJ NY CT MA RI VT NH ME

ohio primary looms large......

just want you all to know I'm not plagiarizing even though I posted a link the same as GORDO's right after him and then said the same thing as harborwoman one minute later. I'm just slow...

Bush carried (Kerry) NM, IA.NH all but just 1% with Nadar getting 1%.and CO by 2 .Giving time BO is gaining Hispanic vote. Mccain will piss them off more just to garner Con help.

Ohio went back to paper ballots.....and steel boxes....who knows where those boxes will end up....it seemed so antiquated.

Okay, Craig...we've given the White House to the Dems. Find us another map so we can give them Congress, as well. We'll have this country fixed and governed to our liking in no time!

About my selections PA and CO are the two states that make me nervous.

question would be will barack or hillary/bill pitch in after the nominee is decided......what will be the degree of campaigning by the loser for the nominee........

Craig,
Thanks for the map link. I have to run out now but can't wait to get back to play with it. For anyone wondering, I see no way BO gets Iowa in the GE unless something serious happens to McCain's campaign.

Hillary should have used the term "Cut and Paste" instead of Xerox.....who was the senior citizen that wrote that line for her?

If all the Democrats have to do is flip Ohio and hold on to every other Kerry state, I don't see a problem.

I think all those NE liberals will turn out in droves and that part of the country will be very blue.
Look at NH Jean Shaheen now has a commanding lead over Sununu (despite her bad husband)

here's a potential winning scenario for Dems WITHOUT OH, PA or FL (exactly 270):

Washington
Oregon
California
Nevada
Colorado
New Mexico
Minnesota
Iowa
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan
Massachusetts
New York
Vermont
New Hampshire
Maine
Connecticut
New Jersey
Delaware
Maryland
DC
Virginia

Slow, Colleen? NAY! I think you can read both the past and the future! Special abilities, doncha' know!?!

"Hillary should have used the term "Cut and Paste" instead of Xerox.....who was the senior citizen that wrote that line for her? -- Posted by: unlikely_burrito"

ha, why not take it on back and say "change you can mimeograph"

Unl Burrito......that is exactly right.......cut and paste.....I bet someone is kicking themselves somewhere......if not being kicked by someone......

mimeograph.....i can still smell those pages......

I was more popular due to the fumes

That's it Craig but I agree with KGC, Ohio will be blue.

"Find us another map so we can give them Congress, as well. -- Posted by: harborwoman"

here ya go, CQ's got ya covered for a congressional map: http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=28

Ah, the smell of mimeograph 'ink'. What a delicious high that used to be! And...in case any of you are wondering what happened to me, well...the mimeograph ink, plus chasing the fog machine down the road as a kid in MS just because it smelled so good!

Never underestimate Ohio...we have bee hurting ourselves for years with bad choices...

Ohio rate #5 for the highest number of troops killed.....the way foreign policy and military is played out will be very important.

On the other hand 90,000 homes are in foreclosure in Ohio.

I like Craig's list but still add Ohio and Pa

I was a Kerry Traveler to Ohio in 2004 and I think he won it then.

Oooh, now that's a more complicated set of maps...but they'll be fun to play with, too. What's are the magic numbers for giving either party a clear majority in both houses? 60 in the Senate, right? And how many in the House?

I don't think the gen election is going to be as close as some people think...Most pundits I saw (Mark Sheilds, among others) predicted Wisconson to be a very close race. Well, it wasn't. The margin of victory for the winner in TX and OH is going to be very telling

for what little polls can tell us right now, here is a map reflecting current polls:

(with leaners)
Obama 251
McCain 189
Swing States: 98

http://www.270towin.com/2008_polls/mccain_obama/

Kerry lost Ohio in GE 2004

Maybe Kerry lost OH in 04...

"What's are the magic numbers for giving either party a clear majority in both houses? 60 in the Senate, right? And how many in the House? Posted by: harborwoman"

-- 218 in the House and technically 51 in the Senate but 60 best for flibuster-proof majority

Kerry lost Ohio in GE 2004

Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 23, 2008 1:05 PM

I meant Kerry won Ohio except for the interference by Ken Blackwell

Craig,
In answer to your question, here's my sense for states in my neighborhood that could pull for Obama, ranked in order that I think are possible:

CO
MT
NM
UT
OK
KS
NE

I have Obama getting 275 with the following states which I think is realistic:

Washington
Oregon
California
Hawaii
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
Missouri
Michigan
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Maryland
D.C
Delaware
New York
New Jersey
Rhode Island
Connecticut
Massachusetts
Vermont

I am unsure which way New Hampshire will swing because there is real dislike for Sununu who is up for reelection. I couldn't give Maine to either candidate because I don't know which way voters will break after making their vote for Senator...

Thanks for those numbers, Craig. I'm definitely going for 60 in the Senate...want that filibuster-proof majority!

I'm giving PA, Ohio and Colo to the Dems. Fla to the Reps. I also think LA will break blue this year because they were so neglected during Katrina.

Right now I've got Dems - 346; Reps, 192 but still playing

so here's the thing, adjusting my earlier list showing how dems win without OH, PA, or FL -- http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/02/mccain-wins-a-round.html#comment-40868

McCain gets Dems back to 251 (Kerry's 2004 number) if he can hold his neighboring states -- New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada

then Dems need OH, PA or FL (any one of the three) to win

oooh - I gave NM, CO, and NV to Dems. Gotta re-think and research.

Craig, this is totally fun. I feel so powerful!

Was the 2004 Election Stolen?
by ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.

"Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House. "

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

yes, GORDO, it was

Predicting a blow out makes me very skittish simply because past Presidential Elections have been so close, but the approval ratings for Bush are so low that when you add high gas prices, skyrocketing food prices, house forclosures and vehicle reposessions that put a red flag on the economy, we could well see a massive turnover in Congress and a shoo in for the Presidency.

If the book Book Generations is right we are in for a huge economic down turn or a massive state of war at some point in the next ten years.

Is John McCain a Liar?

By Robert Parry
February 23, 2008

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/022308.html

Craig,
I forgot to include NV.

One of the characteristics of the Rocky Mountain west is that people tend to be fiercely independent, regardless of party affiliation. Not too keen on big government (unless they're leasing land from the BLM or Forest Service).

There's a lot people like, personally, about McCain. But his foreign policy, particularly Iraq, doesn't sit well. And his domestic policy seems to be MIA.

I think a lot depends on who each candidate picks for veep.

dnd

California has spilled over into NV, AZ, NM.

Nevada gets most of the liberals. Arizona the conservatives and New Mexico getting the moderates and Hispanic sreturning home after being in California since the 1940s.

Hey Craig,

Anyway to superimpose which of these state have Senate races on this map? I think it would be fascinating to see how which races will be decided by front line coat tails...

Also, can someone add some sound to the state...like "Yes We Can" when the state goes blue

or some sound bite for McCain?

I just came up with the perfect line for Obama to use in a debate with McCain, when the latter starts ridiculing his "Yes We Can" mentality...

I wonder who I should send it to?

In case you missed the announcement on CNN, if you happen to have a brilliant child approaching college age, Stanford just eliminated tuition for families under $100,000 and residency for under $60,000

That is a savings of about $200,000.

Jamie,
UT gets a lot of spillover from California too. Some's liberal, some's ain't. That's the score.

Jamie

It's a war for good students with no money

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/21/BU4OV5U10.DTL&hw=Stanford&sn=007&sc=463

I think Harvard started it

Jamie,

Though I would vote Republican before I ever attended that bottom feeding school, why couldn't all these schools do this when I was college age so I didn't have to have a $40K noose of loans around my neck?

2004 SWING VOTES -- here is a starting place for Dems -- the states Bush won by less than 5 percentage points. Pick up 19 electoral votes in any combination of these (plus everything Kerry won) and they've got the magic 270 to win:

Bush Narrow WIns (2004)
IA (7) 49.90%-49.23% (+0.67 difference)
NM (5) 49.84%-49.05% (+0.79)
OH (20) 50.81%- 48.71% (+2.1)
NV (5) 50.47%-47.88% (+2.59)
CO (9 electoral votes) 51.69%-47.02% (+4.67)

And for McCain strategists seeking pickups, here are states Kerry won by less than 5pts:

Kerry Narrow WIns (2004)
WI (10 electoral votes) 49.70%-49.32% (+0.38 difference)
NH (4) 50.24%-48.87% (+1.37)
PA (21) 50.92%-48.42% (+2.5)
MI (17) 51.23%-47.81% (+3.42)
MN (9) 51.09%-47.61% (+3.48)
OR (7) 47.19% 51.35% (+4.16)

dnd

SLC and the beautiful mountain areas above it are getting more liberal but it is the sandwich filling between the conservative areas that border ID and AZ

Change You Can't Believe In
By Gabor Steingart (DER SPIEGEL)

"But there is no room for thoughtfulness in the turbulent world of Obamania. Hillary Clinton, his rival in the fight for the Democratic nomination, suffers from the same problems as traditional companies in the automotive and engineering industries did when confronted with the hype of the New Economy. She is out of touch with his supporters. She uses language to explain, while Obama uses rhetoric to intoxicate. She tells voters what she is bringing to the table. He tells them what they can become. If Clinton is a solid stock, Obama is an option. If she's a secure investment, he is speculation."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,536232,00.html

"why couldn't all these schools do this when I was college age so I didn't have to have a $40K noose of loans around my neck?"

I know, Bear. It's a travesty. My son owes a small fortune in student loans. My daughter just got her's paid off and she's 39.

Report from Canton Ohio

1. Remember when i mentioned Mayor of Canton was hosting session for Bill Clinton but not publicly endorsing Hillary ? Last Sunday when Bill was here the Mayor announced at the rally he was endorsing Hillary. While he also spoke postiive about Obama paper said he said experience factor was reason. Also paper said that he recieved calls directly from Hillary and from gov. strickland about hillary. Governor was at rally.

2 Both Obama and Clinton have opened local headquarters in Stark County. there have been several articles about activiities at these headquarters.

3 have recieved at least 3 calls from obama callers in last week. all of my machine (thank god for machine)

4 Actress Alfre Woodard came to Canton for Obama. There have also been others (cannot remember) prominent names in politics or entertainment that have appeared for both. look for more this week

5 FYI one Republican thing: have seen some Huckabee signs that were put up recently since they are in areas i go by fairly often. have not heard anything in the news but guess someone here thinks he must still have a chance

from my brother Cheeze it.

Craig,

Two questions as I begin to create combinations...

1. Looking at Kerry's win in NH, that was a neighbor state for him. If you give Obama OH and McCain NM, does that radically change the math?

2. How many votes need to move on avg. in these states to change these existing results?

I forgot how razor thin the vote was in the 2004 election...amazing.

I would like to know why each tv station has their own numbers for delegates for each candidate. Cnn has one and Fox has another. How can this be?
Obama is starting to crumble more when he tried to explain things. He is so naive and uneducated to world issues.
Go Hillary, In Ohio!!

KatyCracker - I'm fascinated by what you wrote but what is even more intriguing is that you have a brother Cheeze it

"Actress Alfre Woodard came to Canton for Obama. "

I love her....good to see her getting involved, even if it's not for my candidate.

I keep hearing hints that Keller has many sources and indisputable evidence that he is ready to unleash on McCain.
It's not over with this lobbyist-favors scandal.

KGC,

While Obama, Clinton and Huckabee and Paul have all campaigned close to my house, I have yet to hear one person mention McCain.

When I network with local realtors and builders, I have yet to meet one person supporting McCain.

I still only see Ron Paul billboards or yard signs in Fort Worth. I have started to see bumper stickers for Obama or Clinton. There are a lot of Edwards stickers around though.

If you just drove the Metroplex, you would think the front runner was Ron Paul of the Rep. side and that he was running unopposed.

Colleen

All in the family.

Canton has it's first Democratic mayor in quite some time. And if you are looking for a congressional seat that will flip, I think Ohio 16 is a good one.

The incumbent is retiring and there is a good Democratic candidate. It would be the first switch in over 50 years.

Carol,

Each state has weird formulas that they use to award delegates. It can come down to half votes in some precincts.

In states with caucuses, there are only numbers so far for the first tier. These could change between now and their state conventions.

Texas is incredible since it awards via a primary and a caucus with even more arcane math

Craig has said that the AP seems to have the most accurate, but we are not likely to get a final count until the national convention unless one of the candidates drops out.

BEAR, you can play with the interactive map we've been using on comparing those states: http://www.270towin.com/

to your second question, here are the raw vote leads for Bush and Kerry narrow wins in '04:

Bushs Narrow Wins
Iowa +10,059
New Mexico +5,988
Ohio +118,601
Nevada +21,500
Colorado +99,523

Kerry Narrow Wins
Wisconsin +11,384
New Hampshire +9,274
Pennsylvania +144,248
Michigan +165,437
Minnesota +98,319

Bear said
"When I network with local realtors and builders, I have yet to meet one person supporting McCain"

It is kind of amazing. Although they have stopped it for now, the most conservative Republicans I know hate McCain. They recognize he is the most electable (and oddly they seem to hate him more for that)

I just saw a clip showing Hillary really made over a flyer that was handed to her. What was in that flyer that made her lose it.

Yes, indeed. Shame on you Obama. To paraphrase Edward G. Robinson...Where's your golden boy, now?

The central early voting location across the street was hopping this morning.

I was just reading some of the comments, Craig I am disappointed. You have Obama winning already. There is ONLY 69 delegates apart. She will WIN Ohio and Win or tie in TX and she will win PA. She will get the nomination. Canton, Ohio's major just switched from Obama to Hillary. But you never hear about that on the TV.
My understanding is he is putting out some literature that is completely inaccurate about Hillary.. Now who is playing dirty politics? His feet will start to crumb, they already have. I was out compaigning this afternoon and Obama people were at WalMart Inappropriately passing out literature and will told to leave and did not.

Is there a way on the net we can see that literature

Wow! This exhibition on the Black experience in America (America I Am) that will be traveling the nation for the next five years sounds wonderful. Its not on the Arts and Exhibitions web site yet, but you might want to keep and eye out for it.

http://www.artsandexhibitions.com/

and at The Smithsonian http://www.si.edu/

Apparently over 18,000 square feet of materials in all fields will be on display at the major museums

vadaryl, I will try to find it. It had to do with, I believe fair trade? I will look.
Because she was so upset because Ohio has been so affected by the jobs going overseas.
I know she was holding up to the people the literature when she spoke in Huber Hts.

If this literature is not true it will make for a fun debate on Tuesday not a lovefest.

well, here is my take-away from this afternoon's exercise (and now i'm going to go do something, ANYTHING, less nerdy for a while, like go see Judy Gold perform at the local Jewish Community Center):

Again, for dissussion purposes assume Dems and Repubs hold everything else as they did in 2004 (arguable, i know) and take the focus to the 10 most narrow margins last time . . .

Obama starts the race in good shape to hold Kerry's narrow wins: WI, NH, PA, MI, MN

Among Bush's narrow wins, McCain's geographic advantage helps him in NM, NV, CO -- Which would require a Dem pickup of Ohio's 20 electoral votes for the extra 19 they need from 2004 (IA wouldn 't be enough)

OHIO OHIO OHIO

If you aren't tuned to it, the afternoon panel for "The State of Black Union" on C-SPAN is something else. It should be very, very political.

Graham Cracker--I checked this morning's Ohio newspapers like the one in Lima and the Toledo Blade. Hillary has good press.

For those who like newspapers, here's the site to look at them:
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/default.asp?page=1

So what's Sherrod Brown up to? Is he in hiding?

"Craig I am disappointed. You have Obama winning already. -- posted by Carol"

carol, calm down, i spent the afternoon on a theoretical exercise looking at the electoral map assuming Obama as the nominee -- and my conclusion is that he needs to beat Clinton in Ohio on March 4 to make a clearly convincing case that he's got what it takes to win in November

maybe next we compare/contrast Clinton and Obama performance against McCain on the electoral map -- but for now my brain hurts

KGC,

These business people were for the most part, Conservative and Baptist and were heavily in the Romney camp.

I think I heard Michael Crowley mention that the schedule is another thing that has hurt the Clinton campaign in that the states they really need are coming too late for them...you could make the same argument for Romney. If Texas came closer to Super Tuesday, I think he would have scored a big win here.

In the general I believe Ohio and Florida will again plan an important part in who wins. GWB took Ohio mainly due to the over-the-top fundamentalist Christians, IMO. They campaigned in churches even though they said they didn’t thinking he was the second coming of Christ. I’ve talked with many in this sector who were Democrats and voted for GWB. Needless to say I’ve reminded them of their mistake. The independents and many Republicans are now voting for Obama. The ones I know are not doing so just to throw the primaries for Obama. They are Republicans who say they will not vote for McCain. They don’t believe in his policies.

As for McCain and Obama in Florida, I would think at least SE Florida would be in favor of some of Obama’s talking points, namely visitation privileges between SE Florida with families in Cuba. If someone could only convince (which actually takes talking in lieu of threats) whoever becomes the next leader in Cuba that travelers from all over the world are vacationing in just about every piece of land surrounding them in the Caribbean and they are losing that revenue. What a boom it could be for their country. It would take a lot of money and work but I bet Donald Trump would be one of the first to take a stab at it since he is just a few miles from there in Ft. Lauderdale re-building their run down areas with huge, expensive high rises and condo/hotel complexes.

This may be naive, but just my two cents worth.

vadaryl
I found it
Shame on you, Barack Obama. It is time you ran a campaign consistent with your messages in public - that's what I expect from you," Clinton said angrily, waving the mailings in the air.
"I am fighting to change NAFTA," she insisted. "Neither of us were in the Senate when NAFTA passed. Neither voted one way or the other."

Clinton said Newsday had corrected the record about her views on the agreement. Indeed, the paper published a blog item earlier this month saying Obama's use of the word "boon" was unfair.

I cannot find the original just what was in the paper

Bear

Do you think they will vote for McCain. I have heard a few Republicans say they will stay home. These are far right people who think Schwarzenegger should be recalled. They think he has become a Democrat and that's what they think will happen with McCain.

"So what's Sherrod Brown up to? Is he in hiding?"

Sherrod Brown has not endorsed anyone yet, but I believe he might be leaning toward Obama. Central Ohio is much different than NE and SW Ohio. Mike Coleman is a very, very popular black mayor here who I believe is serving his third term. He has endorsed Obama.

I have the two flyers right in front of me. They pretty much say what he has said all along. The health care flyer says on the front "Hillary's health care plan forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it." Then on the inside he talks about her not allowing exemptions and garnishing people's wages, which she has said she is thinking about doing.

On the third page he explain his health care plan.

Sherrod Brown says he will not endorse
he is disappointed in both candidates.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0208/Ohio_Senator_wont_endorse_Clinton_or_Obama.html

The second flyer is about NAFTA. It says "A little more than a year ago, Hillary Clinton throught NAFTA was a "boon" to the economy. According to a Newsday issue rundown, "Clinton thinks NAFTA has been a boon to the economy." (New York Newsday, 9/11/06). Bad trade deals like NAFTA hit Ohio harder than most states. (I agree).

This may not be as a result of NAFTA but we have lost so many jobs overseas you don't know who you get for support when you call. We are trying to find someone to notify them about a death in the family. I call to get support this morning from Time Warner (my provider) and the person could not speak English. I believe she was in India.

I did love Hil'ry comparing Obama & his campaign tactics to Karl Rove & the same, old Republic dirty tricks.

Karolenna, So what happened to his single-payer system?

Craig don't you think we have to pull Michigan from the mix? What if Romney is the Vice-President candidate and all his pandering to the auto industry there?

here's a potential winning scenario for Dems WITHOUT OH, PA or FL (exactly 270):

Washington
Oregon
California
Nevada
Colorado
New Mexico
Minnesota
Iowa
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan
Massachusetts
New York
Vermont
New Hampshire
Maine
Connecticut
New Jersey
Delaware
Maryland
DC
Virginia

Posted by: Craig Crawford | February 23, 2008 12:52 PM

Don't know about the single-payer system. He says:
Offers health care coverage for all Americans similar to that of members of Congress, and subsidies to help those who cannot afford it.

Reduces insurance costs more than Hillary's plan, including capping insurance company profits in places where they have taken advantage of people.

Saves the typical faily up to $2,500 per year.

Additional infor on his website.

I received both flyers on Friday.

Obama is playing to emotions (it's the only card he has to play) & the Republicans are gonna use his emotional prostitution techniques against him if he's the nom.

The GOP wants Obama to win.

"The reason it hasn't been an issue so far is that we're still in the microcosm of the Democratic primary..."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_attack_fodder

This blog is bloody addicting dammit! :-) I am wondering what Craig thinks about Michigan flipping to McCain IF Romney is VP candidate?

And if Sheila is around THIS SONG IS FOR HER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqg_rgs-bqU

I personally believe an Obama/Jim Webb ticket would be unbeatable. Obama is already getting some independents and Republicans. Web was once a Republican and has a strong military history in his family. He could also attrack independents and Republicans.

more likey than Michigan for a GOP pickup of a Kerry state, EuroTom, would be Minnesota, where they're holding natl convention and McCain seems very fond Gov. Tim Pawlenty as a VP choice

The right is already loading their attack guns against Obama on the issue of patriotism.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_attack_fodder

If anyone thinks the "new politics" is going to survive during the election campaign itself, forget it.

interesting look here at McCain threat to Dem hopes for southwest pickups: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/19/AR2008021902700.html

Karolenna

Cuba is already a major world tourist destination. It's only the U.S. that isn't enjoy those beaches. American yachts regularly drop in illegally.

Did you see Tylenol's description of one of the resorts?

Minnesota? really? I doubt that Craig... I mean Pawlenty isn't that popular, and Minnesota has voted faithfully democrat since 1976. I am interested in whether the candidacy of Al Franken will hurt Norm Coleman. Coleman used to be a Democrat but left the party over abortion as I recall. I don't think he would have won against Senator Wellstone, but I guess Mondale was just too "old democrat" to build a base in what was basically less than a week of campaigning.

Anyway, do you think McCain is seriously considered Pawlenty? He is good looking but is also not from the conservative wing...

Thoughts?

Oh and here's a song for anyone depressed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKeulwZ3sGE

"Cuba is already a major world tourist destination. It's only the U.S. that isn't enjoy those beaches. American yachts regularly drop in illegally.

Did you see Tylenol's description of one of the resorts?"

No I did not see the resort description.

I’ve planned and organized many sales President’s Club trips to North, South, Central America and almost everyplace in the Caribbean and have yet to be asked to plan one in Cuba!!! Airfare could not be much due to the distance, but I don’t see Cuba advertised in the Sunday Dispatch as a getaway destination.

Re: Cuba... except for the US, the world is trading with Cuba and vacationing there too...

http://www.sunquest.ca/destinations/hotels/CLUB-AMIGO-CARACOL

"Tavis Smiley is speaking out, simply disagreeing with Obama's priorities. As a result, his family is getting harassed. Welcome to the club, which includes anyone who offers criticism, let alone proof, that Obama is less than what he says he is. Obamabots and the people supporting Mr. Obama are the most unhinged, rhetorically violent and truth averse bunch I've seen online, and I've been around since 1996, including during the Lewinski imbroglio. Nothing compares."

http://www.taylormarsh.com/

http://www.tripcentral.ca/trip/PACK/CUBA/

Tylenol, you never did answer my question about the comment you made below. Forgive me if I am being overly sensitive about currently not having fulltime employment, but what did it mean? Does a MF follow the YAY? You posted it on the Video Trail Mix blog yesterday.

“YAY.. home for work (yes Karolenna, work!)”

No Karolenna, last week you inferred that those of us who post regularly are unemployed a$$holes...

Well good on Hillary for calling Barack Obama on the carpet for his deceptive literature about her. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/23/clinton.mailings/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

It is about time she stand up and really fight back. She doesn't need Bill... she's got the drive, the intelligence and the information needed to fight back against those who talk about "new politics" but do the everyday campaign mudslinging all along.

A great song by Swamp Mama Johnson "Gasoline" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeManjw8eEQ

I believe the important word is "inferred" and that is a relative comment. I just asked how everyone was able to post all the time and thought most might be retired. I don't actually believe I said "azzholes". That is your comment and sorry you feel that way. When I post I am actually researching and telephoning constantly to get employment, something that is scarce in Ohio.

Oh and if you want to hear the original of "Gasoline" click here: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=200390825

dog...

Re: your 1:24...I imagine it was bug KILLER...it's amazing any of us kids are still alive, let alone have two good brain cells to rub together.

...and NOT ONE WORD FROM THE PEANUT GALLERY ABOUT MY BRAIN CELLS!!! UNDERSTAND???

well bless my soul! I just got invited to a Hillary fest in South Burlington!! What should I wear???

"The Turks are bragging that they’ve killed as many as 799 PKK in Northern Iraq. (Turkey is part of N.A.T.O., of which Sen. Barack Obama is in charge as chairman of the European Affairs subcommittee of the U.S. Senate’s Foreign Relations committee. I’m sure Obama is on top of this NATO member’s actions. Oh wait. Obama hasn’t convened a single hearing of that subcommittee, or visited any of the European countries.)"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/23/hope-change-wide-open-thread/

OMG: I just saw HIllary's "moment" in Cincinnati regarding the misleading fliers. My jaw was on the floor...I don't think I have ever seen her so hacked off!

Good God, Gordo -- every post doesn't have to be something Taylor Marsh said about Obama. Think for yourself.

I am glad she is hacked off. She should be. Here in Wooster, Ohio. Obama people are passing out fliers places they are not supposed to be and being told to leave and not leaving.

Ps. did you noticed his media conference on the subject. He had a very hard time getting words out. If he cannot give a standard speech he is lost.
His face looked drained and like he had gotten caught

I don't know why Hillary just doesn't come out and say that she didn't support NAFTA during her husband's administration. It would be good for her to make clear that Bill was the President, he made the decision. Just as it will be when she is President...she will be the "decider"!

I thought his response was "silly" to use his term. If he had given one specific example of an attack mailer put out by her campaign (and not a 527) he might have actually been credible.

CNN is twisting the story to be about timing. Why is she bringing up the fliers now? I think she made it clear in the press conference. The "boon" quote has been established as false, the newspaper printed a correction and yet he is still distributing the fliers with misinformation.

well I am off to watch a film...

And I am glad Hillary isn't rolling over and taking shit lying down.

I leave with one more YouTube video... Dolly Parton Hard Candy Christmas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEjZZmOOi-0

Has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but ... thought you might like it.

"So shame on you, Barack Obama," she said. "It is time you ran a campaign consistent with your messages in public. That's what I expect from you. Meet me in Ohio. Let's have a debate about your tactics."

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-clinton24feb24,0,3494226.story

Rev. Al on fire at the Smiley event on C-span

what is right and what is fair-
Hillary's record is a good on but explain the race tinged language in SC....

HC on at 5:30

"...put off the conservative values crowd with its thinly-veiled allegations of adultery." I paint them with a very broad brush. They're all hypocritical, womanizing, adulterers.

Rick Renzi was already on The List. He must have done something else prior.

Culture of Corrupters & Family Values Evil Doers

A - Abramoff, Jack; Allen, George; Ashcroft,John; Army, US (Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch lies): Allen, Bob (trolling for $20 sex in bathroom); Addington, David (Cheney's Chief of Staff & Counsel & justifyied torture)
B - Bush, George; Brown, Mike (FEMA Brownie);(Black, Conrad on trial now); Batgnal, Joel (Homeland Security - Bin-Laden intel leak)
C - Cheney, Dick; Cunningham, Duke; Craig, Larry (bathroom lewdness)
D - Delay, Tom; Doolittle,John (R-Ca Abramoff scandal); Doherty, Chris (Reading First cronyism scandal, Education Dept.)
E -Edelman, Eric (Defense - Letter to Hillary)
F - Frist, Bill; Fastow, Andrew (ENRON); Foley, Mark; Foggo, Dusty (CIA); Feith, Douglas (Pentagon official distorted prewar intelligence); Fielding, Fred (W.H. counsel Bin-Laden intel leak)
G - Gonzales, Alberto (Fredo); Goodling, Monica; Griles, J. Steven (deputy interior secretary, lied re: Abramoff favors); Giuliani, Rudy (dirty money)
H - Hassert, Dennis; Hannity, Sean (Fox noise); Haggard, Ted (lusty evangelist); Hughes, Karen (Counselor to Bush)
I -
J -
K - Kidan, Adam; Kaden, Robert & Kristol, William (war architects. co-founded the Project for the New American Century); Kohring, Vic (AK State Rep extortion and bribery re: oil tax bill); Kott, Pete (AK extortion and bribery re: oil tax bill); Krongard, Howard J., Inspector General, Department of State - fraud & abuse in Iraq
L - Lewis; Lay, Ken, (ENRON); Libby,Scooter; Limbaugh, Rush (just because)
M - Myers, Harriet(attorney?); McNulty, Paul (Federal Deputy Attorney General - hearings); McConnell, Mitch (money to BAE)
N - Ney; Novak; Nacchio, Joe (Qwest insider trading); Nord, Nancy (lead toys); Nielsen, Jeffrey Ray (Rohrabacher (R-CA) aid, lewd lewd acts on a child)
O - O'Reilly, Bill (Fox noise)
P - Putnam, Adam (conservative media machine-Pelosi); Perle, Richard (Neo-Con jerk); Prince, Erik (Blackwater)
Q - Quakenbush,Chuck (California Insurance commissione)
R - Rumsfeld, Don; Rove, Karl; Rice, Condi; Rudy Tony; Renzi, Rick (Rep-R AZ govt land swap)
S - Safavian, David; Scanlon, Michael, Stillwel, Roger; Skilling, Jeff (ENRON); Small, Lawrence (Smithsonian): Stevens, Ted (Alaska)
T - Tobin, James; Tobias, Randall (State Dept. & call girls); TEXAS (Because it exists); Tanner, John (DoJ, racist)
U - Ullman, Harlan (expert on national security & on madam's list); U.S. Congress (for knuckling under to Bush); Urbahn, Keith (Rummy's aid)
V - Voltz, Neil; Vitters, David (LA Senator & the D.C. Madam); Villegas, Martin; (Bush's bootmaker & illegal shipments of banned skins into the U.S.)
W - Wolfowitz, Paul; Westmoreland, Lynn (10 Commandments); Weyhrauch, Bruce (AK extortion and bribery re: oil tax bill)
X -
Y -Yoo, John (legal authority for torture)
Z - Zachares,Mark (former congressional aide to Don Young (R-AK), pleaded guilty to accepting tens of thousands of dollars in gifts from Abramoff in exchange for his influence-peddling.)

He;s also on this list:

The 22 most corrupt members of Congress

* Sen. Pete V. Domenici (R-NM)
* Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
* Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
* Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK)
* Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA)
* Rep. John T. Doolittle (R-CA)
* Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL)
* Rep. Doc Hastings (R-WA)
* Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA)
* Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-LA)
* Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA)
* Rep. Gary G. Miller (R-CA)
* Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (D-WV)
* Rep. Timothy F. Murphy (R-PA)
* Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA)
* Rep. Steve Pearce (R-NM)
* Rep. Rick Renzi (R-AZ)
* Rep. Harold Rogers (R-KY)
* Rep. David Scott (D-GA)
* Rep. Jerry Weller (R-IL)
* Rep. Heather A. Wilson (R-NM)
* Rep. Don Young (R-AK)

Dishonorable mentions
* Sen. Larry E. Craig (R-ID)
* Sen. David Vitter (R-LA)

(http://www.beyonddelay.org/)

tt

Ally

Here is her interview with Bloomberg about the differences between Hillary and Bill on NAFTA

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=atUKcP4eSEvY&refer=politics
Here is the portion of her Time interview that discusses NAFTA

TIME: Do you think NAFTA [the North American Free Trade Agreement, signed by Bill Clinton] was the right thing to do?

CLINTON: I think NAFTA was, in principle, a good idea to try to create a better trading market between Canada and the United States and Mexico. But I think the terms that it contained, and how it was negotiated under the Bush Administration and the failure to have any tough enforcement mechanism, like pollution on our border with Mexico, for example—

TIME: That was your husband's Adminstration, wasn't it? Because I recall a lot of debate about it not having labor standards and environmental standards.

CLINTON: But it was inherited. NAFTA was inherited by the Clinton Administration. I believe in the general principles it represented, but what we have learned is that we have to drive a tougher bargain. Our market is the market that everybody wants to be in. We should quit giving it away so willy-nilly. I believe we need tougher enforcement of the trade agreements we already have. You look at the trade enforcement record between the Clinton Administration and the Bush Administration, the Clinton Administration brought more trade enforcement actions in one year than the Bush Administration brought in six years.

See those lists?

Hey, let's vote Conservative Republican, AGAIN. GRRRRrrrrrr.....

tt

"but explain the race tinged language in SC...." Sharpton

did he elaborate on what that was

BREAKING NEWS - Larry Sinclair Passes Drug

"Larry Sinclair's drug test came back earlier than expected. He was tested for any and all chemical substances including illegal drugs that could cause an inaccurate polygraph test result. There were no traces of any such substances found.

We are awaiting for the second polygraph expert to verify the original results and should have an answer by Monday. Video of the polygraph exam will be posted shortly."

http://www.whitehouse.com/NewsComments.aspx?start=&NewsID=114#comments

It would be good for her to make clear that Bill was the President, he made the decision."-Posted by: Ally 4:36 PM

She can't say that, it would go against her 35 years of experience line. Remember she'd have you believe she was 'co-prez". She's quoted several times as saying, ' when i was in the White House'...blah, blah, blah....

Ty,
"well bless my soul! I just got invited to a Hillary fest in South Burlington!! What should I wear???"

I think your "Montreal Canadiens" pant-suit would be appropriate ;)

that's funny - dnd

Kathy

That so called "race tinged" language in SC was the result of taking the remark out of the context of a previous question asked and then twisting what was said. Now it has gone through so many commentators that it is impossible to come up with who said what and what was meant or not meant.

I choose to believe Bill Clinton when he says that in no way was it his intent to minimize Obama's achievements in the state.

I am going to see BO tonight, however, I can't imagine what a mess downtown is going to be, with traffic and crowds.

Monday, I am seeing McCain, in a small west side suburb.

What a contrast !

Ally,
"I don't know why Hillary just doesn't come out and say that she didn't support NAFTA during her husband's administration."

My guess is because she did support NAFTA and told Bill to push it.

I don't usually agree with Cornell West about a lot, but he just said something that was an echo of what my mother always said, Beware of anyone who says they are color blind. They are prejudiced. They may not know it but they are. He went on to describe being "love struck" with a culture.

My mom's quote was, "Who in hell would want to be color blind in such a colorful world". She didn't just enjoy other colors and cultures she was over the moon in love with the differences as well as the similarities.

burrito,
We want full reports from both events!

DND: Numerous aides and biographers (including Carl Bernstein...hardly a huge cheerleader of Hillary Clinton) say that she did not support NAFTA:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/14/did-hillary-clinton-reall_n_86674.html

HW,
"..and NOT ONE WORD FROM THE PEANUT GALLERY ABOUT MY BRAIN CELLS!!! UNDERSTAND???"

We'll just blame it on that black bean and sweet potato chili, ok ? ;)

Holy Cow Dick Gregory is on fire! He is amazing. 75 years old and still brilliantly fighting the good fight.

dnd

There are now three citations on the list about what reservations and disagreements she had with NAFTA as well as her current position.

He has "real" passion !

Ally,
Oh yes she did. But that's ok. Hindsight is 20-20. As long as she's changed her mind, that's ok by me. And I do believe she has changed her mind and is not doing this as political pandering to get votes.

There was one word that was absolutely verboten in my home, and then darn it Dick Gregory went and wrote his autobiography. The prohibition was so long that I literally stuttered when recommending that others read it.

http://www.amazon.com/Nigger-Autobiography-Dick-Gregory/dp/0671735608

strong not long

see I'm still stuttering. :-)

WOW....I want to watch that on you tube, he was on fire!

CNN is pointing out that Obama is avoiding discussing the specifics of Hillary's charges today.

CNN ismonitoring his speeches and website to see if he will be specific or just blather on as usual.

dnd: OK. Everybody is lying. Gotcha.

You Tube has a four part Dick Gregory speech about Katrina that starts here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8IITf_jgfo

Thanks Jamie,

You are so good at getting info. You are a great asset to this blog, I hope you know that. : )

Ally,
"dnd: OK. Everybody is lying. Gotcha."

Half truths are not lying. They're deception. And all the candidates are really good at that.

Sen Clinton didn't say boo about NAFTA in NH or SC. She's bringing it up and why she's against in in OH because they are suffering from it. Good for her. That's what you do on the campaign trail.

dnd: Senator Clinton talked about NAFTA repeatedly in Iowa...I guess because we are "suffering from it" too. So please don't act like she just decided to bring it up as a result of some Obama mailer and because she needs Ohio.

I'll go back to my main point: I don't believe she supported NAFTA. I think she should stop parsing words and say exactly that. It's time to get real.

The righthand column is a list of the ballot measures expected to be on various state ballots for the 2008 election.

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=275835

Senator Clinton must respond. I think she that Senator Obama would cease sending out false information to voters once it was established the the material was blatantly untrue.

I've noticed that in his stump speeches, Senator New Politics regularly misrepresents Senator Clinton's positions.

Shame on you Barack Obama!

Senator Clinton must respond. I think she felt that Senator Obama would cease sending out false information to voters once it was established the the material was blatantly untrue.

I've noticed that in his stump speeches, Senator New Politics regularly misrepresents Senator Clinton's positions.

Shame on you Barack Obama!

at 11:55 AM Craig said: "i am playing with the electoral map this weekend for a future item -- anyone want to play along? Here's my question: What state(s) can Obama win that Dems have been losing? This is a serious question and would prefer this not to be a launching pad for another food fight. "

Please note that he said he would prefer another food fight be avoided.

I'm only saying this because I'm seeing slippage into the Clinton/Obama back and forth that has dominated this blog recently. Otherwise, look out, there's a tomato coming at your head.

speaking of the Montreal Canadiens.. I'm off to watch a sweater retirement ceremony..back later.. I love sweater retirements!

Craig, your theory about Obama and Ohio seems right. I lived in Cleveland, Columbus, Toledo & Steubenville. I'm guessing they'd vote for a man over a woman.

"..not to be a launching pad for another food fight." I appreciate this sentiment, and it's cleverly put. :-)

tt

GORDO --

Just so you can put this in your extrapolating brain, the National Academy of Science published its finding on polygraphs in 2003: it concluded that a polygraph exam may have "some utility", there is "little basis for the expectation that a polygraph test could have extremely high accuracy."

However, they are just dandy on Howard Stern and old episodes of Hawaii Five-O.

BOOK 'EM, GORDO!!!

Man, this intellectual rigor is just KILLING me. I'm gonna write to Viacom and ask them why I can't get first season Captain Kangaroo episodes on DVD.

The rotten tomatoes need to be lobbed @ the Republicans, IMHO.

tt

Colleen

We've been pretty good today. Does anyone want to be on line during the Oscars? All the East Coasters could let me know what happens. :-)

If you haven't put in your ballot into the trailmixers group, better get it in.

Colleen,
Ok, no more Obama/Clinton food fight. But I must let you know that tylenol and I are mortal enemies. She's a Montreal Canadiens fan. I'm a Colorado Avalanche fan...
;)

Jamie,

It won't let me enter using the info you sent?

tt

9/11,
I remember when Colorado Bob said when he read your posts you raised his IQ by 20 points.

He was right. Your satire makes me think. And that's the point, ain't it?

I went in and re did it and it still won't register me.

No matter. I haven't seen anything in 2007 anyway.

tt

dnd, I think so.

tt

You register. You will then have an option to "join a group" or find a group That should be off to the side

Click on that. Enter "trailmixers" in the box that comes up

Click on that and it will take you to a page asking for the password

type in durward. It will then give you to option to return to edit your entries and then log out.

Four people have found it. So unless entries are closed, it should work.

9/11

The only problem with lie detectors is that it won't register a lie if you don't think you are lying . it can't tell that your are crazy.

Here're my sight unseen predictions in order from Oscar.com:

Viggo Mortensen

Hal Holbrook

Cate Blanchett

Ruby Dee

Ratatouille

The Golden Compass

There Will Be Blood

Sweeney Todd The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Directing: There Will be Blood

Sicko

Film editing: The Bourne Ultimatum

Best Picture: There Will be Blood

That's as far as I dare go with a wild guess. This is like the lottery in which I have zero luck.

http://www.oscar.com/nominees/

tt

"She's a Montreal Canadiens fan. I'm a Colorado Avalanche fan..."

That's one great divide that will never be bridged. That would be like me rooting for any baseball team playing against the Dodgers ... Sacrilege!!

Jamie, I never got to the Join a Group part.

I lied. I saw The Bourne Ultimatum and liked it.

tt

I'm really tired of Mr. Obama receiving passes on all the deceptions he's made during this campaign. Only the sycophants and the woefully uninformed accept outrageous representations without checking as to accuracy.

The mischaracterizations his campaign has made about the Clintons' racial sensitivity is absolutely outrageous.

Well, I know one thing: If you know you're being lied to during the campaign, then even the dumbest amongst us must realize that the lies are going to continue if the individual is elected.

When I say lies, I'm not talking about the inevitable misspeaks that any public speaker makes; I'm talking about the repeated misrepresentations of fact and position that have been occurring in the Obama campaign.

Okay tip toe

I have you on a list.

I'm glad we've turned off the Primary fight for a bit.....just so tired of the tirades.

And Flatus, My fellow Military friend, your a Clinton person? I'll tell ya. I haven't seen it and i've vetted from the begining.

I guess a "Lie or Deception" is in the eye of the beholder on this one. ;0)

Hillary was VERY strong during the Q & A portion of the SOTBU event. I think it was very classy of her to show up for this event.

Is Obama interested in the truth? Apparently not - ask the Clinton campaign. If the polygraph test indicates that Sinclair is telling the truth - use it against Obama (Would the Repubs? Better now than later.) This is about POLITICS, not the National Academy of Science!

Favorite PET PIX ;0)

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/myseattlepix/picks.asp?ID=97

The First one reminds of of ME!

No GORDO

You don't make yourself look desperate and crazy by waving a lie detector exam of a nut case.

hey Jamie,

Here is the Seattle PI Oscar Preview in Pictures.

BTW, Me and Vigo Mortenson....I've got both hands and feet tied up in crosses.

Ally,

It was neat seeing her going down the line, shaking hands, kissing, blowing kisses to friends in farther rows etc. So many of the leaders in the black community are close friends of hers who have worked with her for years onprojects and legislation. It must hurt her in a way to see so many of the young people going ape over this guy who doesn't have half her track record.

dnd

the day the Canadiens traded Patrick Roy.. I said "there goes the Stanley Cup" and sure enough........

we're not mortal enemies... we GAVE ya the cup!!

Of course it's in the eye of the beholder, Sheila. And, from my vantage point in Columbia, it was truly an eye opening experience.

I've observed (that really doesn't describe it) elections all over the world; the manipulations that occurred here were as well orchestrated as any I've ever seen.

I realize that we're looking at things from different perspectives, and that's okay. I guess this our own little Speakers' Corner.

Of course, the Clinton campaign would not touch this story. The point is that this would be more for the Repubs to use against Obama in the GE. And they would - does anyone doubt it? The story is out, has been for weeks. But we should all be good little Dems and lose the WH again.

If we all are required to say the same things, we may as well just talk to ourselves.

Ty,
"the day the Canadiens traded Patrick Roy.. I said "there goes the Stanley Cup" and sure enough........

we're not mortal enemies... we GAVE ya the cup!!"

Ok, you're right. And we're not mortal enemies ;)'
I'm just glad you didn't get on me about Ray Bourque...

We are late, and I am off to see the wizard....I hope we can get in, before they run out of kool-aid. : )

Cheers.

burrito,
"If we all are required to say the same things, we may as well just talk to ourselves."

Best post of the day!

I agree Flatus,

just speaking my peace gently. Speakers Corner is a great thing!

So here is something controvercial....toward all the candidates

How immigration, inflation are linked

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/352373_erbe24.html

How are illegal immigration and inflation tied together? In 2005, Bear, Stearns Senior Managing Director Robert Justich and a team of his economists issued a study on the impact of illegal immigration on U.S. economic indicators. They found that undocumented immigrants account for some 8 percent of U.S. workers, a much higher figure than the government reports. Justich's report explained that the number of people counted in productivity calculations is artificially boosted when there are more people working than are reported to the government. U.S. productivity is based on the amount our economy produces divided by the number of people working. If there are a lot more people working than the government takes into account, this makes productivity look artificially high. It can also help to conceal underlying inflation.

Ally,
I agree, I watched her speech and answers and she is so good. What a shame it would be for our county, if she does not get the nomination. I truly feel she will
Us Ohioian will do it.
Obama will trip up, she does needs to hang in there.

Ally,
I agree, I watched her speech and answers and she is so good. What a shame it would be for our county, if she does not get the nomination. I truly feel she will
Us Ohioian will do it.
Obama will trip up, she does needs to hang in there.

Jamie: Yes, I loved watching her greet her friends after the Q & A. I was bummed when CSpan left the event but I know they were running late...

Thanks, dnd.

And you're right, jamie.

There was a federally funded project which was headed by Dr. Larry Hatterer at New York Hospital. Dr. Hatterer developed a skein of questions which he called a paper lie detector: the N.A.S. gave it a very high rating.

I took it. How good was it? Totally, utterly consternatingly true.

dnd...

re: your 5:07...okay...anything to divert attention from the effects of all those days of sniffing mimeograph ink and evenings of chasing fog machines....

Anybody but me addicted to the new Dr. Who and Torchwood on BBC?

Me is, jamie. Miss Birdies to new Dr. Who but unexposed to Torchwood.

Me still concerned that next Dr. Who will be Gordon Ramsay.

Just me jamie....and you know? I can't get it down here of course....{{{Twitch}}}}}}}}}

Me also concerned next Sheila employer will be Gordon Ramsay.

So I knew we had something in common 9/11 ;0)

Speaking of TV and mindless vegetation, I need to turn this off and relax. Tomorrow is another day and I'm burnt out tonight.

Many many rolls of Brioche......many cookies.....I enjoy baking but I'm wiped.

Mrs Greenacres returns next wednesday and we have to be ready for guests.

No NO!!! Please not that!!! Not Gordon Ramsey! LOL

Good night all.

Torchwood is the offshoot of Dr Who featuring Capt. Jack Harkness who showed up in season two I think. It is absolutely fascinating, marvelous scripts, very inventive and distinctly bisexual courtesy of the principal writer/director.

You never know who is going to get intrested in whom while dispensing with aliens. They also get into a great deal more of the psychology of love, violence, and alienation while occasionally dispensing with a passing alien.

http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/262/index.jsp

In America you have to buy the 2006 season. If you live in the UK (or know someone who does), you can download it.

In trying to win the nomination, Obama lies about Clinton. Sinclair lies about Obama. Clinton benefits from the lies told by Sinclair. What is the problem?

New Info. Tennant is taking a "gap year" in 2009 and returning in 2010

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6976178.stm

dnd.. ray bourque? ... i loathed Boston... best rivalry we ever had and such fun to loathe Boston... when I think of Bourque I think of Boston.. was nice that he got to win a cup tho

Sinclair is a flaky nut case?

jamie,

I think that great producer will feel very happy... he is the best at the Beeb right now and is seriously overworked... those hour shows are better than commercially released movies and are made on tight budgets and schedules.

jamie,

Yay for the original Queer As Folk... and the first two seasons fo the Amurican.

Chris Matthews doing a very pompous MC gig on C-span

I was stunned by the feeling of last week's episode. It was called "MEAT"

An alien had slipped through the time portal and fallen into the hands of a group passing off piece of its carcas and selling it. The creature was in agony but just kep regenerating and growing larger.

The Torchwood team had to catch the bad guys, seal the rift and finally though they initially tried to save it do a mercy killing of the alien all while carrying on two intense relationship stories with the team. Talk about tightly packed drama! At the end, there are tears in your eyes for this mass of flesh that you have only gotten to know through one huge expressive eye.

I doubt Matthews is going to mention that he has been a total and complete biased ass towards Hillar Clinton. No matter who you support for President, The fact that MSNBC to let him get away with a total perversion of political power was disgusting.

Ou est le pissoir? by golly

Tylenol,

You're a Canadiens fan? As a non practicing Bruin's fan, I feel obligated to kick your ass just because...

I will say it is because of Montreal that I will not set foot in American strip clubs ever again...

He is much to animated to be called a urinal. Now what you put in it is a possibility.

GORDO

Polygraphs are very easy to deceive, with or without the use of drugs. I've known people in law enforcement who have said that it's all about controlling your breathing and remaining calm. They were intentionally deceptive while practicing with the unit and they could easily defeat the unit themselves.

Change the subject...I am sure I could find 1 million men, gay or straight, that would orally perform for Bill. Stop trying to use your own fantasies to debase thoughtful political discourse.

Bear - what was that penalty? ohhhh yessss...tooo many mennnn onnnn the iiiiiiiiiice... he shoots..he scores.. Canadiens win their FOURTH consecutive Stanley Cup!! Bye-Bye Bruinssssssssss...

:P

yep...stripclubs and comedy festivals..that's us..

Tylenol,

Even funnier than that, when I lived in CT, I was a Hartford Whalers fan and I watched that 7 game overtime series loss. What made that harder to bear was the fact that they had a parade in Hartford after that loss...

There were so many great players on that team...shame they didn't win there cup there, instead of Carolina of all places...

That Whalers jersey was pretty sweet though...

All I will say about Montreal strip clubs is that Supersex was way overrated and I am shocked at what $20 would get you when the loonie was worthless...lol

Piece unto us all, Sheila.

I accept whatever numbers any reputable source provides so far as number of undocumented workers (UW) are concerned.

The numbers of UW don't change dramatically from year to year.

Productivity is basically a statistical tool that is used to compare output per unit from one period to another period. If the number of UW remains essentially constant, it's a null contributor to the end statistic. Do we consider the number of factories or the number of trucks in the transport force when we measure productivity? IMO UW can be handled the same way statistically.

So far as inflation is concerned, why should UW have an upward impact on inflation? If they provide labor at the lowest cost per unit and are employed at the margin, I would think they would tend to hold inflation down. Especially when you consider that there's no long-term string of cash flows associated with them--things such as workers compensation, social security, Medicare, tax refunds, etc.

Just my two-cents worth.

These are all interesting questions--thanks for posing them!

"Change the subject...I am sure I could find 1 million men, gay or straight, that would orally perform for Bill. Stop trying to use your own fantasies to debase thoughtful political discourse."

ROFL! I agree with Bear, Gordo....drop this crap. The guy sounds like a nutcase. This reminds me of the old Hillary is a lesbian who murdered her lover Vince Foster theory.

Bear..worthless is in the eye of the 'holder'

It's not what I think, it's what the "swing voter" thinks in the GE. Need to wait for the test results. If Sinclair passes, Obama has a problem. Obama can talk all he wants about how polygraphs are inaccurate - doubts will be raised about Obama. Those doubts would be amplified by the Repubs.

I am in a hockey funk. You fans ever watch Calgary's Kiprusoff in goal? I thought Jean Sebastian Giguerre was great a few years ago with the Ducks, but Mikka Kiprusoff is the best I've seen this year.
To add a cherry to my funk sundae, Calgary's goal came on an angle shot off Datsyuk and Lebda ...a lucky bounce. Twice late, Red Wings hit the post, which counts for nothing. The Red Wings skated their asses off and peppered Kiprusoff and got beat 1-0. It's been AWFUL, just AWFUL these past ten days as a Red Wings fan.

awww..poor dex.. we have a great kid in nets this year.. Carey Price.. write the name down, he's going to be fantastic.. I've always liked Detroit.. I was a big Stevie Y fan..

Who is Sinclair? I am unaware of this.

GORDO,

I hereby cast you as The Wizard of Oz.

OD

You need a better brand of tin foil. With a quality foil product such as Gordo uses , you will recieve all the messages transmitted. It also helps to fold it in the proper manner when making a hat. I could tellyou how but then I'd have to.........well you know.

Jack

Larry Sinclair info at this link:

(I posted a link to a 38 minute audio interview. Want me to try to find it?)

http://whitehouse.com/

GORDO thanks

waiiiiiiiiiiittttt a sec.. on the whitehouse website? that explains everything...

Tylenol

Whitehouse.com is a spoof site. Used to be pornographic.

Whitehouse.org is the inaccurate one where George Bush lives.

tylenol,

Whitehouse.com...

Which is the wingnut Truthout.com... which is why this is gonna be their very own Fitzmas in which all were promised Rove's indictment stuffed in every Washington orifice...

And all we got was yet another lump of Jason Leopold's crap in our stockings.

Ho Ho Hum.

oh... (Gilda Radner voice)...nevermind..

This a link to get a 38 minute audio interview of Larry Sinclair.

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Larry_Sinclair_012308.mp3

The best goalies I have seen in my life time were Grant Fuhr, Pellie Lindberg and Dominick Hasek. When those guys were on, nothing would get by...

Ken Dryden, Patrick Roy, Terry Sawchuck, poor old Ed Giacoman in a terrible Rangers team, Islanders goalie..whatzizname Smith, Giguerre had one really great playoff; Luongo.. just to name a few..

Gordo..can I have some foil too?

Grant Fuhr was a good goalie made great by the team in front of him...

Gordo if that is your real name, go post that crap somewhere else. You are rude and probably Taylor Marsh anyway.

Fricken' Troll,

yo soy Horsedooty!

Craig has created one of the biggest online asylums the world.

this place is starting to remind me of that bar in Star Wars.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Senor Horsedooty,

I found the edited version of the interview --

http://simplythebest.net/sounds/WAV/sound_effects_WAV/sound_effect_WAV_files/chimpanzee_1.wav

do ya play clarinet, doots? cos that was one happnin' band!

k..talk fast.. hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy is coming on.. and I wanna start practicing 'forty-two'...

Tylenol,

Fuhr was coked up, that is why he had such a quick glove hand. Lindberg was the fastest skater on the ice and he was in net...great hands very calm as well. Hasek, of the 3 has done the most with some of the worst teams of the group...

I remember Billy Smith...I always thought he was a jackass. Just like Hextall, he would swing his stick like an axe.

I had a math teacher in high school who was from New York and he just loved Eddie Giacomin. He would never stop talking about him.

My favorite goalie of all time though is Gilles Gilbert though...

oops..gotta go... great talkin bear, dnd, dex.. I love hockey talk.. but the galaxy awaits..

GORDO i checked out the site you posted. I take back my thanks..

tylenol, i have the movie on dvr...let me know if its as good as the book or game

Hello everyone. I got home about 20 minutes ago. My Mom had a wonderful time today. She got to visit with about 15 women at the surprise party who we went to church with in Adrian back when we lived there. I stayed long enough to see the guest of honor as well as vist with a few of the women. Most of them were women from our church who had children I was friends with. I also got to see the two older sisters of one of my good friends. I hadn't seen either of them in at least 15 years. The party was at a "British Tea Pantry". I found out that a guy I went to school with is now serving in Iraq. He was 3 weeks away from completing his service time in the reserves and he got sent to Iraq. I left the party and spent about 2 hours with my best friend in Ann Arbor. The only bad news of the day was that my Dad fell while he was alone at home. He decided to attempt to open up a 2 liter bottle of pop with a pair of pliers while standing on the steps in the garage. He lost his balance and fell backwards onto the garage floor. Yep , he has terrible balance problems and he tried to open up a 2 liter bottle of pop while he was on the stairs. Good idea. Anyway , that's my story of today's trip.

For those new to the Sinclair allegations, there is a lawsuit. (Yes, I know about WND.)

"In his lawsuit, filed last week, he charges his civil rights have been violated by Obama and the Democratic Party. Named as defendants in the case are the presidential candidate, David Axelrod of AKP Message and Media in Chicago and the Democratic National Committee."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56626

tourettes?

I knew what you meant. :)

Well, just got back from seeing Obama in Cleveland. The crowd was about 9000 strong in a huge arena. There was room for about 5000 more or so. Obama staffers handed out signs to the standing crowd that looked homemade and were written in Spanish. The biggest positive response from the crowd was when Obama said, talking about going to polls, “there will be no Bush on the ticket”. He emphasized voting early saying, “that is what the cool people do.”

I expected the place to be a wild mob, and it was not. No lines, plenty of seats. It was a late rally (9:30), on a Saturday night, downtown and it's a bout 25 degrees out.

They did not serve any Kool-aid. : (

Burrito: Thanks for a report from on the trail! Good job!

turret ( a tower-like armored and usu. revolving structure within which guns are mounted in a warship or tank)

YES!

SNL opening was hilarious.

Melba's

Hanging oversized lamps adorn this exceptionally sleek Harlem bistro, specializing in American comfort food.

do ya play clarinet, doots? cos that was one happnin' band!

was hoping to get Woody to play clarinet for the band.

yo soy Horsedooty!

9\11, nice sounds.

h\d

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y6TpPz3YuQ&feature=related

Thanks, ub...Quicken Loans Arena? They're here, too.
Friday night a very late rally at Whitmer High in Toledo. Today Obama comes to town. Here's Hillary in Toledo, with a long-winded intro by Gov. Strickland:

http://www.myfoxtoledo.com/myfox/

No , it was the Convention Center.

I saw Hillary the other week with Strickland, I was lucky he did not speak too long. The long___speaker of that event was Tubbs-Jones, she loves the microphone. I like her message, but a little goes a long way.

Hillary might have been late, they have to stretch when that happens.

In my area later on today?

Obama will also be hosting his first campaign stop in Toledo this Sunday. The Illinois senator will bring his "Keeping America's Promise" campaign to Savage Hall on the campus of the University of Toledo. Sunday' event is scheduled for 4:20 p.m. and doors open at 2:15 p.m.

" find someone else to play this game with, it's boring and childish. "

You are simplistic and repetitive. You start snarky shit and then react with more snark when people call you on it. You are one of those snitty little guys who try to please people in your real life, then take it out on message boards. THAT is what is boring. Some of us don't like bullies. Especially hit-and-runners.

I always say, if someone can't give me the minimal level of respect that they demand for themselves, then they are not worth the breath that I breathe.

It was after 11 when HRC spoke...de-icing issues in Columbus...and HRC had spent extra time in Big D comforting the family of the cop who died escorting HRC....

Of all the times!---my car's "planetary transmission gear" system is faulty and I can't get it in for service for a week, and this little city I live in has no week-end car rental facility, and even Enterprise won't come here, we are so isolated. So I won't be going to see Obama at UT later on. My teen-grandson was set to see HRC but when it was delayed he went home. Oh well. He lives very near that venue but goes to the next school nearby. I live 70 miles from the U.

Huckabee was funny too

Well, the good thing is that they will be back, at least one of them to try to win Ohio in the general.

Besides, hopefully by then - they update their speeches with some new material..

I'm not choosing sides but Patsi, that comment was a bit antagonistic. For the longest time, I wouldn't go near Harlem when I was in the city. It took having family and friends to move there and Columbia university to get me to visit that part of town.

I know we can't always resist the pointed jab, lord knows how guilty I am, but I think we have proven to each other that snarkiness leads itself to unpleasantness on this page...

sleep well folks...

Ha! This is a good one! Frank Rich just trashes and ridicules Hillary ---and at the very end suggests she may yet "steal" the nomination!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24rich.html?hp

" but "

some times it seems like a one way street, but it never really is

I'm out ..... good luck everyone.

"For the longest time, I wouldn't go near Harlem when I was in the city. It took having family and friends to move there and Columbia university to get me to visit that part of town."

Oh come on, Bear....I was there all the time on music business....and I never felt a threat at all.

Corey sorry to hear about your dad. Is he OK?

tt

I cannot for the life of me understand how any New Yorker could respect that slimebag Frank Rich. He destroyed so many careers, closed shows and put people in the street as a critic, then sneered that he was probably wrong about a lot of it. What an asshole.

He's against Hillary Clinton? That ought to be a plus for her.

"When did they start putting theater critics on the enemy list?"

That response to what I wrote is further proof that you are a putz.

A late night food fight, eh? All over the floor Dex cleaned.

tt

Corey.....

http://www.despair.com/bittersweets.html

tt

Obama’s efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten’s of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.

Two years ago, Iraq’s Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin “Tony” Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON --
Obama should be vetted and disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges — Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It’s time to introduce this false, fake Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke "GLORK" Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He is MAD!!! --

OBAM YOUR NO JFK --
"GLORK" Obama looks like Alfred E. Newman: "Tales Calculated To Drive You." He is a MUSLIM "Glork" He's MAD!!! Alfred E. Neuman is the fictional mascot of Mad. The face had drifted through American pictography for decades before being claimed by Mad editor Harvey Kurtzman after he spotted it on the bulletin board in the office of Ballantine Books editor Bernard Shir-Cliff, later a contributor to various magazines created by Kurtzman.
Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It’s time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek.

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