Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Aha! Medvedev! First!

For Dimitry vote 1-866-66-PUTIN

I think his correct name is Dmitry Hussein Medvedev.

Craig, Nice job with the Video Trial Mix....

Seems like the blame game.. is cranking up... Its not my fault I am losing... I even get hints from the media that has its bias to HRC that they are blaming their own for supporting BHO.. Opps I mean BO.

It is all part of the game and for HRC to open with SNL comparison is another sigh of weakness - when the blame game starts - is when the game is over.

You know, Alf....since you try to turn any word into some sort of racism, try this one: I think you are an asshole.

Good Morning Craig-
Just heard you'll be on Morning Joe-They didn't say what time.

One more post to Alf about his constantly calling people racists. Try calling these guys racist. This, from Black Agenda Report:

"Obamamania

Barack Obama’s corporate-made and -financed presidential campaign is the product of three distinct factors, all mitigating against Black self-determination and political cohesion: 1) corporate decisions, made a decade ago, to provide media and financial support to pliant Black Democrats that can be trusted to carry Wall Street’s water; 2) a widespread desire among whites to prove through the safe and simple act of voting that they are not personally racist, and/or to dismiss Black claims of pervasive racism in society, once and for all; 3) a huge reservoir of Jim Crow era, atavistic Black thinking that refuses to evaluate Black candidates’ actual political stances, but instead revels in the prospect of Black faces in high places. A President Obama would, of course, be the zenith of such narrow, non-substantive, objectively self-defeating visions.

In 2007, the Obama "package" amply satisfied all three "constituencies." Corporations found him a loyal ally on Capitol Hill and on the speaking circuit, rewarding him handsomely for his fealty; millions of whites came to believe Obama could solve the "race problem" by his mere presence, at no cost to their own notions of skin privilege; and infinitely manipulable Black dreams of the ultimate Head-Negro-in-Charge. Many, if not most, Black folks yearn to see a Supreme HNIC before they die, and will not question how he got there or whom he really serves.

Paul Street has written often in these pages and elsewhere of Obama’s political charade: his impudent posing as the "Joshua" to succeed Dr. King’s "Moses Generation," while supporting none of the fundamental social transformations sought by King; his fawning praise of the same U.S. "free enterprise" system that King thought was incompatible with racial justice and peace; Obama’s ridiculous and statistically baseless declaration that Blacks have already come "90 percent of the way to equality," inferring that his election would provide the final ten percent; the senator’s initial insistence, later modified, that the Katrina catastrophe and the Jena outrage had nothing to do with race; his remarkable pledge to the Foreign Relations Council to increase U.S. troops strength by 100,000 soldiers and Marines, all the while maintaining the farce of being a "peace" candidate. The list goes on, and will doubtless lengthen as the campaign continues.

Buchanan: A woman speaking is like a dog walking on its hind legs. WTF?!

Here we go with the daily MoJo sexisim circle jerk.

paul begala on imus

Alpha....I was just curious about 1906.......history buff....if it's personal or something never mind......

Patsi -- I wonder if BHO could still get a cab in DC.

Craig is going to be on MSNBC...

Morn'n Patsi.
Good Mornin -- with all the new posters and bloggers hard to keep up these days for those of us with limited time - so not sure the issue with alpha

Interesting article that certianly is built on many bias and prejudice of the authors. Same condition as I posted before... No fine wine comes from sour grapes

JS -- Be careful what you wish for. The GOP will come afer BHO and hammer him on the issues.

What "issues" Joe?

Like whether to wind your turban from the right to left or the other way around?

Yesterday, Geraldine Ferraro (Hillary supporter) was on John Gibson's radio show. She was very upset about those Repubs and Indies who are voting for Obama now, but plan to go for McCain in Nov. She made the point that only Dems should be allowed to participate in selecting the Dem nominee. They are being encouraged to do this for a reason - get rid of Hillary now, because Obama will be easier to beat in the GE. It's that simple.

"Here we go with the daily MoJo sexisim circle jerk. "
--Divalicious

uh huh...and there sits Mika, with that silly look on her face, enjoying every second of it. She is just one of the boyz.

Mika reminds me of a girl I knew in his school who always made sexually charged comments, wide-eyed and innocent, then asked "What'd I say?"

I dont see it anymore but you have to wonder why they give a 3 hour morning show to someone who is obviously a pain in the ass to at least half of their potential audience......do they think people will continue to tune in who find the man to be an empty headed nitwit with an obvious bias? Or do they simply not care about that half of the potential viewers........

Pogo: "Interesting article that certianly is built on many bias and prejudice of the authors."

Yes, the Black Agenda Report is made up of old school activists who are tough on anything they see as pandering to their community, no matter where it's coming from. They definitely have a bias. They despised my guy Harold Ford, as well.

sturgeone --------------------------

They have an agenda - not about number of viewers. JW's "Lost Boys" in action!

Good morning.

I've had computer problems at home since I tried to install Itunes on my box. I'm running win2k and after numerous attempts found out that Itunes is no longer supported under win2k.

Now I have too find a way to start a full reloading of everything a little at a time and still be able to see whats going on.

I see that very little has changed with regards to support of each others candidates so I really don't want to get into anyones line of fire and have stayed silent on the race to the White House.

Take care and I'll try to stop in some evening when I get my computer starting reloads. I'll use another drive and start my fresh install on that and swap it over so I can still access the internet.

Once all is reloaded I'll be looking at swapping the drive over permanently around the time my anti virus protection is up for renewal.

Take care all and ...

God Bless.

Hillary and Barack could not pronounce the Russian's name? Well , they obviously don't watch hockey or tennis on tv! If they did , they could pronounce many different Russian names!

Gordo... Where was HRC to complain when the cross over from Dem's in early primary support for JM... Opps John McCain..
I see another SNL parity built on a famous Chevy Chase.. Picture BHO.. I mean BO speaking to HRC.. opps HC... BO says "Hillary you Ingnortant.... B.. , Of course they should be allowed to cross over"

Scarborough said that Craig was going to be on. I wonder if it is true, or is this a lame attempt to keep viewers tuned in??

And the BS about the middle name - McCain inflamed it by recoginze.. His response was BS and so is the media.
Having friends with the same name, and our good friends in Jordan.
Give me a break..

Craig you buddy on ABC Stephnomiddlenamealphous comments this AM.. Booooo

If the need a device for remembering the name, it means bear.

Craig - Love the video blogs but we need to get you a tripod; I'm a tad motion sick.

Saw a few minutes of Dana Milbank w/KO before the debate and a few minutes of KO w/Chris Matthews after the debate...and boy, does KO have a huge crush on Obama, or whuuut?

Imust always said KO was about half a socialist. That would explain why KO would back Obama's uber-liberalism.

MoJo is right. The GOP would crush Obama in the general without apology. The Reps are praying Obama is the candidate and that is why some are voting in the Dem primary. It's a set-up. Obama doesn't play to the center. If Barak is the nom, it's hello Prez McCain.

KO on Charlie Rose tonight.

When I woke up a miracle occurred. Scarborough was saying mean things about Senator Obama. Things that just might have been useful to know several months ago. (1) He was representing an anti-war district when he took his stand against the war., (2) When he started running for the U. W. Senate statewide he fudged on that support and removed the letter to his district constituents about it down from his website. (3) Since being in the Senate he has voted every pro war bill.

IOW, He's a politician not a profile in courage. Just another one who says what people want to hear. Why has no one on TV including Mr. Scarborough said any of this before now? It just might be something the anti-war people really wanted to know about their candidate.

Warren! I've found your girlfriend! An Obama volunteer who wants Hillary to drop out! Here's what she had to say at Salon:

"I want to go home to clean out my basement and get a pedicure. Maybe take my elderly mother to lunch and help my sister with my niece's upcoming wedding...I don't want to go to Pennsylvania! Please God, no!!!

Please Hillary, get out of the damn race -- if not now -- then after Ohio and Texas! PLEASE!!

We want to go home and we want our lives back -- even if you don't Joan and Hillary!"

Interesting observation. This morning on MoJo, Mika asked Tim Russert about Obama's response to his question on the new Russian president. Russert side step the question by inserting his observation that Obama and HRC looked at one another, but Russert never answered Mika's question, and true to Mika's performance she didn't press Russert for an answer. BTW, Obama basically parroted HRC's reply.

I just pray that HRC does not bring up the SNL skits!!

Posted by: LushIsLinda | February 26, 2008 6:08 PM
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Why why would HRC think this was a good idea? 8(

It was okay to bring it up, she just did it at the wrong moment. She should have walked on stage with a pillow and handed it to him.

Everyone would have known instantly without her saying a word that "Bitch is the new black">

"but Russert never answered Mika's question, and true to Mika's performance she didn't press Russert for an answer."
--FryDaddy

uh huh...what else is new?

ping pong...

I screwed up and change the DCOM properties also and the rights permissions got changed.

However, even after uninstalling Quicktime and Itunes didn't help. I found a page while googling that said Apple no longer supported Itunes under win2k. And that was with three days of doing searches on how come I could not get Itunes to install.

So after playing in the Registry trying to find the key I need to restore to the original default and not finding it I'm left with a new install so I can once again access my ATI TV Tuner as well as the Nero TV from my software package for my burner.

The TV will not open for ATI and under Nero it won't let me set the country or signal. So I have no choice now but to re install everything.

Got to go now. Take care and ...

God Bless.

Oops. It has an exta syllable. Device no work-y.

jamie - Then she should have rubbed his feet during the entire debate. Actually, KO probably would've liked that job.

I'm so glad she pushed him on the Farrkhan issue, because he would've later said that he didn't reject it if he was somewhere where it could help him.

Here are their answers to Russert's question on the new Russian president. First HRC and then BHO.

CLINTON: Well, I can tell you that he's a hand-picked successor, that he is someone who is obviously being installed by Putin, who Putin can control, who has very little independence, the best we know. You know, there's a lot of information still to be acquired. That the so-called opposition was basically run out of the political opportunity to wage a campaign against Putin's hand-picked successor, and the so-called leading opposition figure spends most of his time praising Putin. So this is a clever but transparent way for Putin to hold on to power, and it raises serious issues about how we're going to deal with Russia going forward.

I have been very critical of the Bush administration for what I
believe to have been an incoherent policy toward Russia. And with the reassertion of Russia's role in Europe, with some of the mischief that they seem to be causing in supporting Iran's nuclear ambitions, for example, it's imperative that we begin to have a more realistic and
effective strategy toward Russia. But I have no doubt, as president, even though technically the meetings may be with the man who is labeled as president, the decisions will be made by Putin.

OBAMA: Well, I think Senator Clinton speaks accurately about him. He is somebody who was hand-picked by Putin. Putin has been very clear that he will continue to have the strongest hand in Russia in terms of running the government. And, you know, it looks -- just think back to the beginning of President Bush's administration when he said -- you know, he met with Putin, looked into his eyes and saw his soul, and figured he could do business with him.

He then proceeded to neglect our relationship with Russia at a time when Putin was strangling any opposition in the country when he was consolidating power, rattling sabers against his European neighbors, as well as satellites of the former Soviet Union. And so we did not send a signal to Mr. Putin that, in fact, we were going to be serious about issues like human rights, issues like international cooperation that were critical to us. That is something that we have to change

Reasons for Florida to vote Democratic in the fall.

".....an 8.9 drop in home prices nationwide in the fourth quarter of 2007 compared with the same period in 2006...................................Miami led all cities with a 17.5 percent year-over-year drop in prices in the quarter"

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/28760.html

Jack

good morning gang.....

Craig.... the guy who sang Imagine is David Archuleta.... he's only 17 yrs old and he's phenomenal!

I did watch some of the debate..... I thought they both looked and sounded tired..... of course.... I'm tired of watching debates....

Tim Russert is a joke..... the Washington Monthly had a great article this month entitled "The Inanity of Tim Russert"..... unfortunately they won't allow it to be linked from their website....

Blue.... yep..... he didn't want to piss off any potential voters....

jax... welcome to the blog.... I think I remember you posting something a while back....

rr
here's the link
http://www2.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0712.yglesias.html

Patsi, I supported Ford as well. Periodically I get these emails from him saying that he's going to be on Fox at such and such a time. I just can't bring myself to watch an opinion session on that network.

Have you watched him? What is his message?

He was tremendously graceful during his campaign.

Inanity and Russert is a theme

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=tim_russert_stop_the_inanity

Obama on the Irq war:
On the most important foreign policy decision that we face in a generation, whether or not to go into Iraq, I was very clear as to why we should not, that it would fan the flames of anti-American sentiment, that it would distract us from Afghanistan, that it would cost us billions of dollars, thousands of lives, and would not make us more safe, and I do not believe it has made us more safe.

Lani Davis said this morning on MoJo, that once BHO became a US Senator and was asked how he would now have voted, BHO said, "I DON'T KNOW."

Pronouncing Russian names. I don't fault Hillary for fumbling over the pronunciation; so often the 'press' pronunciations bear little resemblance to how a Russian speaker with pronounce a name. Something as simple as Vladimir is an example. Y'all pronounce Medvedev as a Russian would.

More on Russert

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-do-we-defeat-tim-russert-by-digby.html

For a person who was so against going into Iraq, he seems to waffle a lot on that position.

‘When asked about Senators Kerry and Edwards' votes on the Iraq war, Obama said, "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,’ Mr. Obama said. ‘What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.’

In a meeting with Chicago Tribune reporters at the Democratic National Convention, Obama said, “On Iraq, on paper, there's not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago. […] There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage.” [Chicago Tribune, 07/27/04]

Specifically, State Senator Obama maintains that an October 2002 anti-war speech was removed from his campaign web site because “the speech was dated once the formal phase of the war was over, and my staff's desire to continually provide fresh news clips."

In fact, Obama's Senate voting record on Iraq is nearly identical to Clinton's. Over the two years Obama has been in the Senate, the only Iraq-related vote on which they differed was the confirmation earlier this year of General George Casey to be Chief of Staff of the Army, which Obama voted for and Clinton voted against. [ABC News, 5/17/07]

No offense, I won't miss an opportunity of listening to Andy Rooney when he's on. And it was good hearing him on Imus this morning. IMO he's a treasure--one who won't be with us much longer.

Thank you Craig for mentioning the obvious about the media. Morning Joe is such an idiot program. At least if Criag is on it will make it a little more classy.
"she got to dictate the tone of the debate" Shows a real leader in my mind.
I think she showed her strong strong character. Obama "parroted" her words, as was mentioned earlier on here. I like parrot, it is so true.
It was not scrutiny it was negative attacks on Hillary, She will win Ohio big and TX. Oh yes the special interest groups are supporting Obama And who are they?

Fry wrote: "BTW, Obama basically parroted HRC's reply."

To go a bit further on this subject - the thing I found most interesting when Obama was answering this question - and foreign policy questions is how he NEVER answered what he currently knows or what he would do - he kept talking about the past.

When asked what he knows about Medvedev - he said - what she said - and the proceeded to talk about Putin during the Bush years - stuff even I know.

When asked if he would defend Kosovo if they were invaded - he never answered that question but chose instead to talk about Bill Clinton's handling of the situation back in the '90's. At least he finally said something nice about the Clinton administration even if he never answered the question.

Still confused about how Obama would handle tough decisions if President when it comes to dealing with issues around the world.

The one thing I will say about the debate last night - for the most part, Russert was an equal opporutnity A#$ H#$@.

Jamie wrote: "She should have walked on stage with a pillow and handed it to him."

That's really brilliant - you should have e-mailed that idea to the campaign.

Or before they got started - before she answered her first question, she could have turned to BO and said

Are you ok...do you need anything...a pillow?

LOL

I will say that I am glad that she brought up the - I just want to point out that I always get the first question here. She could have left the SNL part out and actually made a better point just by hittin' on the first question issue. I noticed after that...they changed it up a bit.

Last night, the SNL comment fell flat. Today it is the lead story and has given ammunition to all the HRC haters.

I think if HRC was concerned about always getting the first question, she should have discussed that with the moderators, beforehand.

From the article Ad linked earlier:

"You know what, Tim, I'm not going to answer that question. This is serious business. And you, sir, are a disgrace. You have in front of you a group of accomplished, talented leaders, one of whom will in all likelihood be the next president of the United States. You can ask them whatever you want. And you choose to engage in this ridiculous gotcha game, thinking up inane questions you hope will trick us into saying something controversial or stupid. Your fondest hope is that the answer to your question will destroy someone's campaign. You're not a journalist, you're the worst kind of hack, someone whose efforts not only don't contribute to a better informed electorate, they make everyone dumber. So no, I'm not going to stand here and try to come up with the most politically safe Bible verse to cite. Is that the best you can do?"

That would be really funny. I can see a Ron Paul doing something like that.

a political problem for the Republicans in Florida.

" In a case that puts the Bush administration in a legal dilemma, Cuban-American groups demanded Tuesday that the Justice Department indict Fidel Castro — who no longer enjoys immunity as head of state — for the 1996 downing of two airplanes over international waters."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/28773.html

"If we can make a claim to be able to haul into our courts Castro, then why can't another country attempt to haul (former Defense Secretary Donald) Rumsfeld or Mr. Bush or (Vice President) Cheney?" he added"

Looks like fun

Jack

The SNL comment did fall rather flat, and yes the MSM is now leading with her statement. on the first question issue, HRC should have just mentioned it briefly, something like ,"Tim I see you are practicing the ladies before gentlemen method. Thank you." She really can't make to much of a issue about this although it does provide your opponent time to make notes and reflect on your initial comments. Russert, if he had been thinking, should have first posed the new Russian question to BHO. His lack of knowledge on current foreign affairs would have leaped to the surface.

Wendy, love it! At this stage of the campaign she has nothing to lose and lots to gain by challenging the quality of the so-called moderation. But, I guess, it's all moot now.

Hey LL

I agree that she should have left SNL out of it or as Jamie suggested - make it funnier.

But I do think it was good for her to bring it up live during the debate - call attention to the unbalanced media coverage and special treatment for BO. But definitely should have not brought up SNL - I thought of your comment yesterday when she did that and cringed a little.

LOL

For those who have grown disenchanted with MSNBC/ MOJO in particular

MOJO ratings down 13% year to year since replacing IMUS.
Feb 07 Imus 393,000 viewers
Feb 08 MOJO 343,000 viewers

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/february_ratings_fox_friends_everyone_else_78416.asp#more

Clare McCaskill this morning said,

"Its amazing that someone who is a relative new comer, with no experience, who was way behind for half the year and STILL refused to kick anyone's kneecaps, is now beating the front runner." "It tells you what Americans want and Senator Clinton still doesn't get it."

Senator Hillary Rodham-Clinton, has run a terrible campaign and Senator Barack Hussein Obama has a built a mullti million dollar campaign with small doners. He has created a brilliant setup and is managing this campaign on his own. His campaign certainly relfects his abilities.

Now who has better management skills and who has better strategic judgement? At times like these, we don't need to trump experience over judgement.

Now time to go to work. You all have a wonderful day!

"Have you watched him? What is his message?"

Flatus -- Harold usually just offers even handed observations. I've seen him get semi-confrontational a couple of times, but when he disputes the right, he does it very smoothly -- in a way that they can't really come back at, but leave him looking smart but not angry. He's good, and effective on that channel. Tougher than Colmes, and -- smarter.

Of course, I've only seen him three or four times when I got those emails and remembered to watch.

Harold was/is too conservative for me. But to tell you the truth, I think he would have been good in Pelosi's job, which he ran for.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to get our message across to the media to stop being bias? I have sent many many emails to them giving my point of view on their bias. This is not fair to your country and may in fact lead to our demise. As old as I am I may not see it, but it will happen. It will happen if people keep getting brain washed by the media.
Is this happening because the media is republican and they want Obama because they know McCain will win against him???

Sheila quoted McCaskill: "Its amazing that someone who is a relative new comer, with no experience"

Yes, this is amazing and frightening all at the same time.

" Russert, if he had been thinking, should have first posed the new Russian question to BHO. His lack of knowledge on current foreign affairs would have leaped to the surface."

He knew damned well Obama didn't know the answer. Although Obama's shill on MoJo just lied and said, "Of course he knew the answer!"

What a crock. He would have jumped in immediately, or at least corrected her pronounciation."

The democratic party will have a very big dilemna. If it remains close to the end and no one gets the majority, each support group for each candidate will be alienated. It sure cannot drag out to the convention, that gives McCain a big advantage.
Remember BillClinton did not get the nomination until June. What about Fl and Mich? What a mess. Hillary has to win big so she can truly be the winner

The democratic party will have a very big dilemna. If it remains close to the end and no one gets the majority, each support group for each candidate will be alienated. It sure cannot drag out to the convention, that gives McCain a big advantage.
Remember BillClinton did not get the nomination until June. What about Fl and Mich? What a mess. Hillary has to win big so she can truly be the winner

Well this weekend I'm getting away from politics to do something completely different: lying, cheating, sibling rivalry, love affairs, crime and punishment - well maybe it isn't all that different

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/

Ad Hom -- thanks for the Russert links. He's become insufferable and not just to Hillary. His whole line of questioning downgrades the entire dialogue. I liked this observation from your second linked piece, regarding Russert asking Obama his favrite Bible verse:

"Indeed it is, because the process is controlled by Tim Russert and people like him. Russert's Bible question encapsulates everything wrong with him, and with our political coverage more generally. It seeks to make candidates look bad rather than finding out something important about them (if you want to explore a candidate's religious beliefs, you don't do it in pop-quiz form and give them just ten seconds to answer). It substitutes the personal anecdote for the policy position, the sound-bite for the substantive answer. It distills the debate into a series of allegedly symbolic, supposedly meaningful moments that can be replayed. "

Don't want to leave....so one more time!

He knew damned well Obama didn't know the answer. Although Obama's shill on MoJo just lied and said, "Of course he knew the answer!"

What a crock. He would have jumped in immediately, or at least corrected her pronounciation."

Posted by: Patsi | February 27, 2008 9:25 AM

Senator Barack Hussein Obama's reaction.

Strategically is was sound. (1) Let Clinton fall on her sword. he's wanting to put this Primary away and so let her make her own mistakes.

(2) If he had corrected Senator Clinton; More than likely it would have been perceived as a "Sexist Tone" and a feeding frenzy would have occurred.

So, Kudo's for Senator Barack Hussein Obama

Diva -- I neglected to hand you props for this one!

"For Dimitry vote 1-866-66-PUTIN "

Ok now I am getting really angry. I am in Ohio and read the Akron Beacon Journal on line. Today when I went on the site, a Obama site was on top of it asking me to view his video. This is sick. Where is he getting his money? This is getting scary, very scary. If he is influtrating the computer, that is scary.
I sent an email to the editor asking what is going on. The Beacon is supporting Hillary. Very sick

I notice that MSNBC is not showing the BHO side of the Medvedev question.

If I am not mistaken, I think BHO also mispronounced Medvedev's name.

TR said something about it earleir, but they are not showing the clip.

" If he had corrected Senator Clinton; More than likely it would have been perceived as a "Sexist Tone" and a feeding frenzy would have occurred. "

Not unless he did his trademark Bushsmirk.

Has anyone noticed that the only guess speakers on Morning Joe are Obama supporters? They have to be worried that she will win Ohio.
I think I need to go back to work, school. To many snow days gives me too much time to do this kind of thing. haha
I called the Clinton camp to report about the Beacon and they said it was NOT political but Financial. Where is Obama getting his money? Why doesn't someone ask that question?

When hillary let lose about being asked the first question, Tim said it was a throw up question when she took the question. I don't recall that. Is he right?

sorry, I was wrong about BHO mispronouncing Medvedev's name.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KnTeefAZm6Q
--(4:50)

He was smart enough to steer clear of the name, as was TR.

Ad Hom....
thanks for posting the Washington Monthly article.... I don't subscribe online.... I actually get a hard copy of the magazine and read it while eating breakfast.....
I know..... that's so anachronistic..... I'm supposed to be watching tv while eating..... preferably Morning Joe..... but I prefer to keep my breakfast in my stomach and not in the toilet...... ;)

and thanks HarborW and Warren for you posts on Lost last night..... I did hear Kate call the baby Aaron..... but completely forgot that that was the name of Claire's baby (named after her dead brother)..... I only watched a few episodes last season and have forgotten some stuff....

Jamie..... I will be taking a break from politics next week...... will be going on vacation up north (yes Pogo.... I'll be shopping at LaHouts).... I plan on spending March 5th in a hot tub....

mornin' all.

Uhhh, Patsi, that was Ping Pong that said that commented on the article. I was busy shuttling Little Pogo to a friend's house to gooff off after we got a whopping 1" of snow last night. Good Grief.

Jack,I think what you will see re:Castro, Rummy, et al.is an international legal system prosecutorial circle jerk - and no one will be charged.

Carol, I could be wrong, but I believe that the moderators of the debates goafter Hillary because it will be considered a better broadcast moment to get Hillary than Obama - she's the tougher debater, is smarter, and harder to one up. Their problem is that they listen to themselves more than they listen to the candidates' answers and half the time don't even seem to understand that the candidate has changed the subject and not answered the question asked, so they ask idiotic softball follow up questions even when the original questions might have been decent. And when you said "What about Fl and Mich? What a mess.", you certainly stated the truth.

While I was trying to hang a light, I heard Mrs.Pogo - not a political junkie like her idiot husband- say in a somewhat attenuated voice"Damn, can't he even answer a damn question?" That's when I decided I needed to watch some of the debate.I only saw about half the debate last night due to the demands of house and family - but what I saw made Obama look like the lightweight that Hillary supporters have claimed he is.

"HRC was never offered the opportunity to complete her comment."
--FryDaddy

I was hoping she would speak up and be allowed to finish her point.

IMHO, HRC is in a no-win situation. If she had spoken up, she would have been labeled as a b*tchy woman...trying to make waves.

The very first set of question were directed at HRC. Russert is just plain wrong.

1. WILLIAMS: Thanks to our candidates for being here on a snowy night in the great city of Cleveland, Ohio.

A lot has been said since we last gathered in this forum,
certainly in the few days since you two last debated.

Senator Clinton, in your comments especially, the difference has been striking. And let's begin by taking a look.

2. WILLIAMS: Senator Clinton, we're here in Ohio. Senator Obama is here. This is the debate. You would agree the difference in tone over just those 48 hours was striking.

3. WILLIAMS: On the topic of accurate information and to that end, one of the things that has happened over the past 36 hours, a photo went out on the Website, the "Drudge Report," showing Senator Obama in the native garb of a nation he was visiting, as you have done in a host country on a trip overseas.

Matt Drudge, on his Website, said it came from a source inside the Clinton campaign.

Can you say unequivocally here tonight it did not?

renee, of course, I envy you. Need new skis? Should be a great time to buy them. Have a terrific time, and enjoy the hot tub. And I expect you to come back with your best recommendation for the best restaurant in the Loon area - come hell or high water I plan to get Mrs. Pogo up there this summer and want to know I didn't miss the best food in the area.

My advice to HRC this morning....

Don't give up..it ain't over!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nwSu7FOyJdM

seal--HRC
sharks--TR, KO, CM, JS, MB and BHO...LOLOL!!

YA!!!!! GO SEAL!!!!

EVERYBODY SING!!!!

Lush

She stumbled on the Medvedev name probably from lack of practice since Russian pronunciations can really mess you up if you don't know where to put the sylable breaks and emphasis, but she knew who he was and had the issues down cold.

Barrack came behind her and as usual parroted what she said in simpler language with his usual "me too teacher".

"I plan on spending March 5th in a hot tub...."

Another assignation with Jeremy?

I know, Jamie

BHO just should've said, "ditto" 8D

things are gettin' 'Kinky" on MSNBC

"should've said, "ditto""

Nyet! Limbaugh would have been on air bragging about Senator Obama quoting the listeners of Rush.

LOL @ nyet!!!

Nothing like waking up to Patsi calling you an "asshole".

My grandfather used to say that when you had to resort to expletives, you were out of real ideas. And somehow, that doesn't surprise me when it comes to Patsi, who really never had any ideas other that "I HATE OBAMA!" blah, blah, blah.

You keep reaching for that Hillary dream, Patsi.

Sturgeone,

Sorry, but I went to bed before answering your question. 1906 is the founding date of my fraternity, the oldest African American fraternity in the country: Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc.

Dear Hillary and Barack,

I know it's too early to start attacking McCain again, what with the primary races still going on and all, but when one of you actually is the democratic nominee, you may want to use the information from Jane Hamsher in the following link to hit McCain about gaming the system that he pushed through Congress.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/john-mccain-is-breaking-t_b_88434.html

Very truly yours,

Pogo

Thanks Patsi. But I don't know about a chick that refers to her mom as "elderly" - especially in print.

Pogo! So sorry....I misread the poster name! It sounded too even handed for Ping!

Thanks, Patsi. I was mightily disappointed when Harold lost. I was really taken aback by the stridency of the attacks that were made against him with him being from the Blue Dog corner of the Party. They did the same thing against Ronnie Shows, a true friend of military enlisted people. So much for the Party of Lincoln.

Alf -- well, at least you can't call asshole a racist term. Like you do everything else.

Alpha,

Sheila the Chef Nun here. I empathise and agree!

Where did you go to school and what rags do you write for? Of course you don't have to answer. just curious.

I find your posts apealing.

Jamie.....
LOL!.... I can see why he'd be in Honolulu..... but a little ski resort in northern NH..... I don't think so....

Pogo.... I gave up skiing year before last...... hurt my knee..... not enough for surgery.... but enough to keep me from weaving for almost 6 weeks...... Rick always buys a new pair up there if he needs them....
and hey..... if you and Mrs. Pogo come to NH this summer, you'd better let me know..... if at all possible.... Rick and I would be happy to take you guys out to dinner.....

yeah..... I wish the Democrats would start running against the Republicans instead of each other..... if I only had a magic wand and a sparkly dress....
well..... at least I could leave a quarter on everyone's pillow at night.....

Alpha

There is a blog I visit at least once a week called The Electronic Village. If you are in to AA history and personages and haven't seen it before, you might enjoy it

http://electronicvillage.blogspot.com/

Renee, if we get up that way, I'll be sure to let you know. I'd love to get Little Pogo up there to see the Presidentials. He's never been above treeline, and I think He's love it. Just have to dodge black fly season.

Hey Shelia,

Thanks for the comment. My days of turning in daily edit are over. Instead, I'm fortunate enough to be able to write books full time. My BA and Masters degrees are from West Coast schools usually named the best in the country. I hate to be so James Bond like, but I like being anonymous on this blog.

duh, that would be "I think he'd love it." damn fingers.

"kicking and screaming" damn fingers

Thanks Jamie, I'll check it out.

That's Ok Alpha AKA James.... ;0)

What kind of books......

Listen, maybe this is better.

chefstonesheila at gee mail dot com

If you don't want to talk further just ignore, but I would love to know. You sound intriguing.

I think it is good how the world is taking an interest in this election.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080227/pl_nm/usa_politics_kenya_dc

On Charlie Rose, some guy who sounded pretty sharp and talked with an accent said Obamamania has hit Europe and people are following the US election in bars and pubs all over. Expectations will have to be managed - but I could not think of anything better happening in the election to replace Bush.

The panel agreed that Europe is looking for a change in tone from America. Me too!

Hate to break it to the Friends of Obama but Hillary is sending her supporters poll numbers for West Virginia (primary all the way out there on May 13). This might be a sign that she plans to stay in the race no matter what happens next week...and frankly, if he doesn't have the 2025 to seal up the nomination...why not.

hehehe. Will be fun to read all the posts about how she should drop out of the race. I can't wait!

http://www.dailymail.com/News/election08/200802260192

:-D

Hillary gets it and I think she will be out after Mar. 4. Much like Edwards did in his last hurrah - Hillary has taken to driving a single issue - healthcare - instead of trying to win.

She is going a good job and I am sure she will be pivotal on this issue on the Senate floor.

Wendy!, If Hillary is still in the race in May, she has a great chance to win WV - people here loved Bill, and a lot of the folks here are from European ethnic stock who won't vote for a black candidate. There's a local blog here that sometimes drifts into politics, and when it has, it has been predominantly pro Clinton.

The Russian pronunciation for his name is over here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Medvedev

I think Hillary did pretty darn good on it.

I agree, Flatus.

If not for the "whatever", I don't even think anyone would have noticed the mispronunciation. 8(

vadaryl,

I don't think Russert made it clear that it was a "jumpball" question, but I think he's right in saying he didn't specifically direct the question at either of them. Then again, if you're Hillary and you feel he's looking at you when he finishes his question, why not jump on it?

This morning Imus said who was asked first was equal or roughly equal when all was said and done. That ignores the obvious, which kinds of questions were directed at each candidate?

Bernard McGuirk was right to defend Hillary, and Russert should have directed the Russia question to Senator Obama first. Perhaps, he would have nailed it, and then many of his detractors would have to acknowledge that he was prepared. As it is, 'parroted' Hillary's answer is exactly the right description.

Russert did a disservice to both the viewers and Senator Obama by not giving him first shot at this foreign affairs question. My only clue as to Senator Obama's knowledge on this issue is that Senator Clinton clearly avoided trying to name Medvedev when she answered first. Knowing that, Senator Obama would have made sure to include the name or even a bad pronunciation in his answer just to prove his knowledge on the subject. His failure to make a stab at the name in his original answer, tells me he didn't know it either. No sin there. That's just how I saw it.

AP - you're making a wise choice - I've backed away from much of the discussion for those very reasons. I am leaving the personal vitriol to others. Once the primaries are over and the parties engage, I'll participate more.

Sorry to hear about Buckley - I agreed with him once, I think, but always enjoyed him.

this is funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGSoqfHfcL0

dog's -- Then Alf should stop calling people racist for every other word. That gets old.

MR. RUSSERT: Do you reject his support?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, Tim, you know, I can't say to somebody that he can't say that he thinks I'm a good guy. (Laughter.)

So...how hard would it have been to say:

Yes, Tim, I unequivocally reject his support. I don't want to be associated with anyone who preaches hatred of any kind.

Just wondering.

:-D

this was posted by on Taylor Marsh today by someone commenting - good article

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/views/orl-dibacco2608feb26,0,7365559.story

EdVB

I think your analysis nails it. I actually paused it and said to my friend, they should have made him answer first - see if he knows what he's talking about. Then I said, watch, when he answers, he'll simply agree with what she said and then not add anything to the conversation- which he didn't - he simply started talking about Putin and Bush.

They really didn't do him any favors IMHO by letting her go first...or...maybe they did.

No one appears to have noticed, but in Russian, Hillary pronounced Medvedev's name correctly - if he were a woman. In the coverage and video clips she clearly pronounces "MED VED YEVA," the exact feminine form of Medvedev. How would she like it if he called her "Mister Clinton?"

After Senator Clinton attempted to pronounce the Russian name, she giggled and said, "whatever" or some such dismissive remark. And that, to me, said that she sure didn't learn much tact or diplomacy during her 8 years in the White House or her 35 years of experience overall.

Foreign leaders expect Mr. Bush to mangle their names because he clearly isn't too bright or too caring about anything but himself. However, those leaders would be offended, rightfully, if a clearly intelligent , supposedly committed person giggled and acted like correct pronunciation is not all that important.

And all of a sudden, I knew that Senator Clinton would not be ready to be president on day one. Mr. Bush has hurt our global reputation enough already; his successor should not do further damage but must work (hard) to repair our standing.

It's fine to have disagreements about policy, but it is imperative to reinforce individual dignity.

Years ago, someone said, "print anything you want about me, but spell my name correctly" (or words to that effect) and the sentiment still holds. People continue to feel belittled and insulted when others do not care enough even to get their name correct.

Up thread I recommend The Electronic Village http://electronicvillage.blogspot.com/ to Alpha. I just did a stop by and he is participating in Wordless Wednesday and for your Obama supporters he has some truly lovely pictures of Senator Obama's family. If you haven't seen them, the wedding picture is very nice.

That's my good deed for the day ... back to supporting Hillary. :-)

Patsi,

Why are you so upset? Why can't you instead take the time to analyze whether or not comments have value, rather than dismissing them?

"Arrogant" when applied to African American men is not something new. In the past, "Uppity" was the term used to describe African American men who thought of themselves not only equal to white people (because I mean, who said white folks are the standard to be equal to?) but more intelligent or capable. Usually, those black men were met with violence. Thankfully, you only use violent words.

So if you follow the historical use of the term "arrogant" when applied to African Americans, you can make an argument that it's tinged with racism. May not be pleasant to be talk about, but a legitimate concern nonetheless.

I was disappointed that there was no follow-up question to Sen. Obama after he mocked Sen. Clinton for voting for a bill and then hoping it didn't pass. He said, "If you don't want a bill to pass, you vote no!" The follow-up should have been - In that case, Senator, could you please explain the 187 "present" votes you cast in the Illinois State Senate.

BenBlue,

That "Spell my name right in the newspapers" line still holds true, but both Senators had pretty much dismissed Medvedev as a non-person controlled by Putin, so I don't think the focus in Russia would be on a failed attempt at pronouncing the new guy's name.

His "newness" is another factor. If he becomes the face of Russia, whoever our next President is, he or she will have no trouble pronouncing the name.

Sam Zell, Straight From Hell:

"Obviously what we have going on is an attempt to create a self-fulfilling prophecy," said Zell, chairman of Equity Investments Group and owner of the Chicago Cubs, Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times and other companies. "We have two Democratic candidates who are vying with each other to describe the economic situation worse.

"The reality is that if you live on Wall Street and you're in the credit markets the world couldn't be worse. If you're a farmer and you're getting $25 for your wheat, you're having a great time. If you're a CEO and you've got a balance sheet that's bullet-proof, you're in a great position. This whole thing is way out of control, way out of hand."

Kids, remember how we used to say "Whatever turns you on..." and move along to the next subject?

Well, I get to add a codicil to that. If, like Mr. Zell, what turns you involves hanging with your neck in a noose while you ejaculate... it's gonna cause some really serious brain damage.

Along with my condolences to the Buckley family, I send mine along to the people of Chicago and L.A. and wherever else Mr. Zell spreads ruin.

Well, you'd think after years of people discussing the lives and writing of Roy and Zhores Medvedev, the surname would have moved beyond potato-potahto.

By the way... Roy supports Putin. (Even when you've been ostracized by the Party and had your brother sent to its looney bin by the KGB, you never forget the first girl you kissed.)

While I am a troll ( I see it useless to attack people on the opinions they have a right to form, we all should be focusing on the bigger issue at hand.

In class today we had a political discussion...an overwhelming percent said that they were for McCain. One girl said, Im voting for McCain because my dad is rich, and the Democrats will take his money. This young womans vote cannot be changed, but many had no reason why to vote for McCain. While I know my fellow "young" vote is naive and ignorant (not all), but whether it is Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama, Democrats need to start coming together. Yes, this is a hell of a lot easier said than done, and yes, I know the race for the Democrat nomination is not complete, but I believe more focus needs to be shifted to the Republican tyrants! Ok, my little jab! I go to school in a swing state, Ohio, so these scary kids that can vote may play a crucial role. Ok, that is all, back to trolling!

Alpha - I think Tim Russert, Ted Kennedy, MoJo, Bill O'Reilly and Chris Matthews are also arrogant jerks. I'm curious if it is ok if I believe these guys are arrogant A#$ H*#% or if it is in someway racist because I am of mixed race?

Just curious.

afternoon, 9/11. Zell sounds like a wonderful human being - if you're into some really weird stuff. Kinda makes Playboys under the mattress seem pretty tame, dontcha think?

Joe S.

Welcome!

What if some of us aren't Democrats but Independents?

Joe S.,

If what you wrote makes you a troll, I'm packing up and moving under your bridge with you.

Thanks for your thoughts and how sincerely you expressed them.

pogo,

Not if you mixed 'em with Ramparts, National Lampoon and National Review.

Wendy,

I will admit whole-heartedly that the Independent view is one that I need to grasp. Time for some research!

Hi Joe:

Where do you go to school? What state are you in?

Alpha

"So if you follow the historical use of the term "arrogant" when applied to African Americans, "

Without the historical connotation, what if a man displays arrogance. It's not a trait that I appreciate in anyone of any sex or any color. Is there another word I should be using when I think that an otherwise intelligent, seemingly personable man has behaved in such a manner?

Obama, his mentor and Farrakhan... most interesting.

Let's think of another black leader who has earned Farrakhan's attention.

Here are the words of the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer award:

"...such a man is worthy of death."

Of whom was the man of perpetual greatness (or whatever the Great Wright Way uttereth 'bout him from his cuckoo nest) speaking?

Wendy,

I go to Kent State, nothing special :-) I'm in Ohio, but my vote counts in PA. (Where I'm from)

Vote for you is a long way off - who knows how this will all look by then.

What's your major?

I know, I know... you're all raising your hopeful hands.

It was Malcolm X he put the death sentence on.

And the Shabazz family and most historians hold him responsible for the conspiracy to murder Malcolm.

Audacity, audacity, audacity...

Which is met by credulity, credulity, credulity....

Yes I agree, a lot can happen between now and April 24th...well a bit earlier because I can send in my absentee ballot before that date.

Marketing is my major....thoroughly dislike it, just looking for my piece of paper coming in May.

9/11

very interesting...and good observation.

"So if you follow the historical use of the term "arrogant" when applied to African Americans, you can make an argument that it's tinged with racism."

Alpha -- Sorry, but I don't see it as the same in meaning as "uppity." Jeez, people are called arrogant all the time. Most of this administration for example. These reactions bother me because in my world, a female black friend jokingly called me a "nappy headed ho" when she got her hair straightened and my own hair was under the influence of humidity. She's the one who suggested we get t-shirts with that tag on them during the Imus mess, and she's also one of the feminists who has said she'd get a Bitch t-shirt.

She's voting for Hillary, by the way, but would be proud if Obama is president....even if she, like me, questions the mass hysteria over a mere mortal.

But what I don't hear from her or others are constant comments about codewords. If people are coming at you in code, at least it's not blatent like, "who wants to watch a woman get old on television."

JoeS....
welcome to the blog....
Kent State...... nothing special?..... no so to those of us who were alive in 1970....

Alpha.... I enjoy your posts too.....

GO DEMOCRATS!

9/11

"Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it. "
Malcolm X, Malcolm X Speaks, 1965

Off to work, thank you all for putting up with my comments. Everyone have a nice day.

Joe S.

Don't worry - Obama was way behind when the Democratic nomination process started as well. I have every confidence that my man Obama will defeat McCain - after a hard fought and respectful general election campaign.

Wendy:

People of all colors can be racists.

Joe S....and Reb Renee...

Great minds think alike. Kent State has great significance to us Baby Boomers....

Wendy!

There is more to consider here.

All my doctors run departments at a major teaching hospital. Quite a few of them still hold a severe bias against Hillary Clinton because of her star chamber approach to health insurance reform: the core complaint is that they talked with no doctors at all.

But all of these doctors (who cover a range of ages, genders and races) have expressed a wary sense of a relationship between Senator Obama's tepid health care plan (which puts little to no pressure on insurance company control and profits) and Michelle Obama's stature at the U of C hosptial system.

All hospitals, but teaching hospitals in particular, are dependent on insurance and pharmaceutical companies for support in teaching, research and treatment.

Again... who knows? But it took her four months to resign her position after they together declared his candidacy in Springfield, IL.

Of the present candidates, Senator Clinton offers the best health care plan in the opinions of those doctor... as well as the patient advocates I know and with whom I work.

There was a description somewhere today of Senator Obama's being "too cute by half" (I think it was cancer surivor Howard Fineman who wrote it). That's less than factual but touches on a lot of truth.

However, what has to be said is that Senator McCain's approach is, "I got mine, go fuck yourselves."

It is hard to follow Cindy's example when you don't have the Man of Steel Cages to bend the law for you as well as he does for himself though.

So... given the choices... when the choices come along...

McCain will kill a lot of people.

Obama will give people the opportunity to experience even more of what his mother did as she was dying of cancer. (Smoke 'em if you got 'em, Senator.)

Well... I voted for Hillary for health care and a few other things.

Let's see if Obama revises and upgrades his plan.

jamie,

Keep them quotes coming.

Malcolm had the audacity of truth. Which is why Elijah and Louis Louis (formerly "The Charmer") had him shot to death.

I think McCain will beat Obama, basically because of the situation in Iraq. There is improvement, and as the race goes on there should be continued improvement. People will rally, behind our troops and gain understanding how the enitre middle east has to be looked at on a whole.

RR,

I think a lot of us thought the same thing you did, when we read that Joe S. said Kent State is "nothing special."

Warren:

Yes, you are correct people of all colors are racist. But that wasn't my question. What I'm asking is that if I say:

Obama is arrogant

O'Reilly is arrognat

Russert is arrogant

Farrakhan is arrogant

Kennedy is arrogant

Hell I'll throw in Ann Coulter is an arrogant ass too

Maybe Kim Jong-il for good measure is an arrogant ass

and based on his interview after Bhutto's assassination (among other things) Musharraf is an arrogant jerk as well.

So my question remains...is my use of arrogant to describe these people make me a racist?

BTW I can think of others that rub me the wrong way - and I think are arrogant asses of all races and genders - that's just my short list.

Question remains...am I a racist?

Joe S. congrats on the graduation come May!

Joe, the independent view is pretty simple when it comes to political office - the operative question is simply "Which candidate will best represent my views if elected?" Answer the question, vote for the candidate. A partisan asks "Which [fill in the blank with the party name] candidate will best represent my views if elected?" Answer the question, vote for the candidate. There are of course many other questions that could be substituted by replacing the "best represents my views" part of the quesiion, but the differences always revolve around whether or not party affiliation is the threshold for consideration. For an Independent it is not.

"Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it. "
Malcolm X, Malcolm X Speaks, 1965

Yep, or you die trying

Jack

McCaina,

Al-Sadr just got another few hundred millions to keep his "ceasefire" mode.

Do you think we'll sue him if he decides to turn the Shiite war back on again before November?

He agreed to only a six month extension. Which would mean he could go to war in September.... or, if it pleases him, before.

And his keeping his forces in relative check is why the "surge" is working -- because the insurgency likes the money... for now... until it can have fun with the US economy and elections, Al-Qaeda style.

Please, tell me -- as someone with a love for Middle Eastern history -- what McCain's inclusive plan for the Middle East is... other than his Beach Boy's Greatest Hit moment?

It makes you an observer of human characteristics, personality traits. That is why those words exists.

KO must have felt shafted when he didn't get to go to the debate. Low man on the pole with a huge ego. Couldn't go see his man-crush.

Wendy!

It makes you authentic and credible.

Perhaps everyone read into my comment more than anticipated....I meant purely on an academic standpoint. Meaning, "nothing special" academically when compared to other schools. I apologize for not conveying my meaning correctly, and sorry if I offended anyone, that was not my intentions.

LL,

The gifted one never mentioned Dimitry Medvedev by name, even after Tim Russert only moments before had said his name. See my 7:58AM post of that exchange.

9/11

I'm chuckling...some might be thinking it makes me an angry bitch but don't want to say it because that might portray them as sexist.

ROFL

;-)

Wendy!

That is a fine argument. But remember that if you use this argument, you can't come back and ask others to find or recognize the nuances of a sexist words when describing women.

I can come back and say that Hillary was "shrill" and her laugh is a "cackle". And every time she confronts Obama, she's emotional.

I would recognize those terms as being particularly sexist. However, if we're saying that words are generic, with no particular context because of who they're describing (with the obligatory listing of men who fit that bill), then we negate legitimate discussion on how people are perceived.

Re: Iraq

www.johnmccain.com

It's listed under issues

Good evening... it's 8 pm here... Are there landmines planted throughout the chat? I'll get my asbestos suit ready, just let me know. Yesterday I wasn't prepared, now I am ... so fire away :-)

I've read it. That's campaign literature. I've read lots of campaign literature.

I'd love to see something which actually showed an understanding of the region, its history, its economics and the failure of almost all its governments (including Israel) to reflect the will of a strong plurality to clear majority of its peoples.

So would the surge be working when Al-Sadr (who we created -- all invaders in that region create their own Al-Sadrs out of the nothings they had been) lets loose his killers?

Wendy,

If you like research you may want to look at the following web site.

http://www.statelocalgov.net/index.cfm

Yup. You're a racist - just like the rest of us!! Just kidding.

Anyways, that is why I like the Chappelle Show. It shows us that all of us have some biases based on our own life experiences. I used to have a real problem with rich white people growing up. Now I learned this demographic is just like other ones - it contains good and decent people as well as absolute jackasses.

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

Bless Neil Young.

It will depend on how strong the country (Iraq) becomes.

You are asking for answers that no one knows.

And if you have the answer on Iraq, and the expertise, you owe it to the our country to offer your insight to our military.

As the Farrakhan primary has been won... but strangely uncelebrated here along with the others...

I'll just add that Farrakhan disdains as subhuman (among others) Jews and homosexuals.

Not that there's anything rejectable or deplorable about that.

I voted today for Hillary!!!
She is doing very well in Ohio and close but still ahead in Tx and she will win PA It will be interesting when she pulls ahead of Obama. What will the media do and what will the super delegates that thought he would win do.

let's see..... defining an Independent....

I will only speak of myself..... I am an Independent..... or as it's called here in NH, undeclared.....
I mostly lean left...... I have voted for Republicans in the Senate and Congress, but have never voted for one for President....

I will not wear a party label because I don't much care for the extremes of either party..... their attitude (whether Repub or Dem) is that the other side is the enemy..... I don't see it that way..... just as people that I disagree with, but whom have a right to their point of view.....

I think both sides have arguments that I can agree on...... to me.... most issues are complicated and I think the simplistic view of the extremes on both sides of the aisle and the stubborn refusal to acknowledge that the other side may have a point doesn't serve this county well.....

so I am undeclared and I will remain undeclared.......
even though I plan on voting a straight Democratic ticket come November....

ok..... someone else's turn to state why they are an independent....

9/11:

Everyone likes money. Even insurgents. Peace will be spread in the Middle East by improving the economies in those countries and increasing the standard of living of the people.

When extremists become more educated and have a better standard of living - they will be less inclinded to blow themselves up.

Capitalist pigs for Peace!! Think I can start my own NGO?

Obama v. McCain
will end up being between
Hope v. Pride

Alpha:

Agreed - however -

Let's look at Obama's subtle sexism. If John Edwards were still in the race rather than Hillary Clinton. If John Edwards had just lost 8, 9, 10, 11 states in a row and was fighting to get back in the race and he attacked Obama on some issue (doesn't matter whether it was a fair attack - just an attack). Would Obama have said:

"You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out."

Would you describe John Edwards exuberant, fighting, oratory style as shrill?

Cackle is a term used to describe witches...so I'm assuming you would never describe a man's laugh as a cackle...but...this one is gray for me because I do think a man's laugh could be a cackle...

That brings us back to arrogant. I use the term arrogant to describe people of all races, sexes, ages, etc etc. If the shoe fits...as they say... To me, arrogant is an equal opportunity word.

In the end...there is language that I believe to be racist and there is language that I believe to be sexist. The examples you gave are clearly sexist. I'm sure there are examples we can bring up besides arrogant that are clearly racist.

What I'm pointing out is that not every term used to describe Senator Obama is racist just as every word used to describe Senator Clinton is sexist.

Warren, thank you.

That money is pay off money. Buys weapons, ammunition and programs to either recruit the willing or kill off the reluctant.

It is not for social programs beyond the ones which recruit and train soldiers for the Madhi army or feed and school their supporters.

Would you do me one favor? Would you please credit that first long posting you ran here to its actual author?

You ran it many, many times. There was acidulous commenting over that and its length.

You claimed, in a lawyerly way, that it came from a blog you owned. (Actually owned by Daily Kos, managed by you.)

Would you please share the name of the actual essay's author with the people among whom you have made yourself so comfortable --

Particularly as you credited the author as being your friend at Daily Kos.

With friends like you... I'd need more lawyers.

Four Dead in Ohio....

alpha, I've got a question about the use of "arrogant". I'm not black, and I grew up in Birmingham during the church bombings, race riotsand police atrocities there - even went to HS with Bull Conner's nephew, and always thought I was pretty sensitive to words that carried racial connotations, either in or out of their use in a particular context. I never heard anyone use the word arrogant in reference to a black person or considered it a having a racial connotation - maybe it just wasn't a southern use. Uppity, yes, superior - in context but not generally, but never arrogant. My question is when did you first consider arrogant to carry a racial connotation - and was that in the context of a reference to a black person or just in general use? Is this just a recent connotation,oris it just somthing that has evaded me? And bear, if you are around, what's your take on this?

JoeS.... good god...... no, no, no..... of course you didn't offend anyone....

I knew you meant nothing special academically...... I went to a state school too....

your school has a very special significance to those of us who were alive during the Vietnam War and the protests....... it was an intense time...... I was simply acknowledging that for every Baby Boomer on this blog.....

please stick around and tell us who else you think is hot....... :0}

Alpha,

Shrill cackle (sounding like a chicken) is obviously meant to insult and does have a sexist tinge because any rooster that cackles is going to end up as chicken stew. It would be even more sexist if you use an unflattering term about her laugh but don't make an equally insulting observation about a mannerism of his..

Now if I said, she made a "confident" entry, but he "strutted" onto the stage" , that could probably be objectionable as it describes the same physical action in a positive way for one but in a negative way for the other.

It is this almost constant double standard that is driving the Clinton supporters and women in particular crazy.

Appearently, non-black people can't use their normal vocabulary when speaking to or about an African American.

Is that the level of equality everyone is seeking?

9/11:

Do I detect you being a jackass?!

I posted a link to my personal page on the Kos - because I am not so tech-savy as to have my own blog.

One of the posts I cut and pasted way back when was from my good friend Chinedu - whose permission I obtained.

jeez - I feel like Barack during the plagiarism fiasco.

i..still..dont..have..a..keyboard..that..works..

hope..you..can..read..this...

i..nearly..had..a..heart..attack..on..monday..when...andrea..
mitchell..said..hrc..was..'moody'....

for..the..love..of..god..what..a..vapid..woman..exclamation..mark

Wendy:

I don't think all women "cackle" or are "shrill" - but Hillary sure does and she sure is. Sorry.

McCaina - I often change the way I speak based on who I am talking to. If I spoke the same way I do in the Courtroom in a bar - I may get punched out - or at least ignored. And If I spoke the same way I do in a bar in a Courtroom - I may get carted off in handcuffs.

You must know your audience.

Interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIW8LUko_nA

"After several weeks of swooning, news reports are finally being filed about the gap between Senator Barack Obama's promises of a pure, soul-cleansing "new" politics and the calculated, deeply dishonest conduct of his actually-existing campaign."

Sounds like one of my posts yesterday. I promise...I didn't plagiarize...thought of it all by my little self.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

bri....

cheap..isnt..the..issue..i..just..got..back..from..hospital .with..mr..tyleol...he ..has..a..heriated..disk..f pain..goes..to..his..foot......like..a..ballooon...

just..a..little...busy..here...

Sure Wendy. I think it is off to the Clinton woodshed with you.

Actually, I think almost everything that comes out of our mouths and every idea that pops into our heads - has likely been raised before. The key is translating such words and ideas into the current times.

"I don't think all women "cackle" or are "shrill" - but Hillary sure does and she sure is. Sorry."

Fine Warren,

But why is it important? As a criterion for a job involving decisions that could effect the world, a style of laughter hardly seems monumental and is just meant to demean.

Because Jamie - electing a US President is the biggest popularity test going.

It is more like electing the homcoming king or queen than hiring a CEO.

Style is also very important to the job. Bush's style was much worse than his policies.

Alpha,
I've only posted comments here twice (never posted anywhere else ever). Don't know if you read my comments. I have a great-nephew whose father is Caucasian and whose mother is African American. We consider him to be a Bi-Racial American.

My question to you is related to Barack calling himself an African American during the debate last night. Do you consider it racist for him to identify himself this way even though he is one half white? Would this be considered racist against his white family and white or Caucasian Americans? Or do you subscribe to the old and prejudicial "one drop rule"?

Am currently reading "we who are dark", by Tommie Shelby which includes descriptions of "Modes of Blackness" to try to understand how Bi-Racial Barack has become African American.

Do you think my great-nephew is an African American or a Bi-Racial American? Should he leave his white family out of his description of himself? Would denial of one half of his racial heritage be considered racist?

" Bush's style was much worse than his policies. "

Swaggering is worse than carpet bombing downtown baghdad?

Race Man
by Sean Wilentz

"After several weeks of swooning, news reports are finally being filed about the gap between Senator Barack Obama's promises of a pure, soul-cleansing "new" politics and the calculated, deeply dishonest conduct of his actually-existing campaign. But it remains to be seen whether the latest ploy by the Obama camp--over allegations about the circulation of a photograph of Obama in ceremonial Somali dress--will be exposed by the press as the manipulative illusion that it is.

Misleading propaganda is hardly new in American politics --although the adoption of techniques reminiscent of past Republican and special-interest hit jobs, right down to a retread of the fictional couple, seems strangely at odds with a campaign that proclaims it will redeem the country from precisely these sorts of divisive and manipulative tactics."

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

Two Warren comments:

"The key is translating such words and ideas into the current times."

So you are saying that we must walk on eggshells around blacks, fearing that something might be taken the wrong way? What a racist sentiment.

and

"electing a US President is the biggest popularity test going.It is more like electing the homcoming king or queen than hiring a CEO."

Sweet Jeezus. I really think you are saying that's okay.

Smirking is worse than shredding the Constitution

The stuttered mispronouncement of words is worse that authorizing torture?

Kate:

I think your nephew is an American. The more we move in that direction - the more we accomplish America's goal of becoming the great melting pot.

I have a bi-racial nephew - and I think of him as...Blake.

Strutting about in a flight suit is worse than murdering a 100,000 human beings and maiming even more for life?

Jamie:

I think Bush's arrogance and unilateral style in conducting the business around the world has increased tension and lowered America's status in the eyes of our allies.

And if your style is arrogance, unilateralism and accomplishing your goals through fear and intimidation - then the result is carpet bombing and shredding the Constitution.

The policy of getting rid of Saddam was not in error - the problem was in the manner (or style) in which it was done.

Kinda like perception equals reality. Remeber how much more effective Tony Blair was in articulating Bush's policies.

Patsi:

Don't quite follow your first comment. With regards to the second, I am just being a realist. But yes - I do think style matters and should be considered.

The Russian government is even having to cave to this. They're sort of acting like like those fair-weather fiiends: We may support sanctions, unless something better comes along and we could possibly somehow say well they're using Nuclear power for good, then we won't.

Even the Asian nations which depend on Iran for oil have come out strong in the past week for more sanctions against Iran.

Rob43

How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton

"More than any other maneuver, this one has brought Clinton into disrepute with important portions of the Democratic Party. A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the "race card" were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters and to outrage affluent, college-educated white liberals as well as college students. The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card" before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada--and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters."

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

Warren,

Don't forget though, Blair said he knows where the weapons of mass destruction were and he was going to tell us later.

Well, for a little bit of good news.

Mayor Mark Begich is running against Ted "Tubes" Stevens for his state's U.S. Senate seat ,and early polling, back in December, put him up by 6 against the Tuber.

Mark Begich will announce he's taking on Ted "Tubes" Stevens for his state's U.S. Senate seat.

If running for president is one huge popularity contest, Obama should beat John in a landslide, and neither of them is qualified to be a CEO.

Oops,forgot the link.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/27/111851/691

" think Bush's arrogance and unilateral style in conducting the business around the world has increased tension and lowered America's status in the eyes of our allies."

Then it would be important to consider the fact that someone who says one thing to one group and then changes his stance with another group and then does a third different thing with another group would be an important consideration to evaluate in a Presidential candidate?

By that standard, Senator Obama would be considered unelectable.

GORDO:

I saw many instances of the media saying the Clintons were playing the race card - and even going so far as to say Bill was racist - but I am not aware of those charges coming from the Obama campaign.

Show me evidence of that (if your program is capable of taking directions from someone other than Taylor Nash).

I think the Clintons did everything they could to belittle or delegitimize Obama's campaign - including comparing his win in SC to Rev. Jackson's - even though that analogy is way off. But I don't think the Clintons in any way were trying to belittle black people.

Alright, I'll bite, why is he Ted "Tube" Stevens?

I think Obama's arrogance and unilateral style in conducting the business around the world will continue to increase tension and lower America's status in the eyes of our allies.

Question:

Which one of us is a racist? Warren for his 3:43 comment to Jamie or me for the comment above?

Just wondering.

Rob, he referred to the internet as a series of tubes - he's a frickin' idiot.

Does Obama still stand behind his pledge to remove the U.S. troops when he gets into office?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/27/mccain.obama.iraq/

Warren:

1) Who is Taylor Nash?

2) Gordo is quoting Sean Wilentz not Taylor (Nash) Marsh.

from Obama site:

Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep SOME troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he WILL keep TROOPS in IRAQ or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

He has no clue what he will be up against, therefore the loose talk!

Do your homework before you vote Obama RE: IRAQ

Rob:

I think the world needs to be very measured in terms of "sanctions." We often do this to "punish" a leader we don't like. But the sanctions end up hurting the people who are being oppressed (not the leader living in his palace). Thus, the state of their lives becomes worse - and they are often driven to support the leader we are trying to punish and led to hate us even more.

Kate,

I'm afraid one or more of our commenters are going to came crashing down on you, so I'm hoping I can answer you politely before that happens. I note that Warren has already given you a respectful response.

I'm not familiar with the book you mentioned, but I'd want to avoid labeling anyone. If and when your nephew decides to someday give himself a label, that should be his choice and God bless him, I hope he grows to be proud of himself for who he is.

There's a natural tendency to want to know our own heritage, and knowing the heritage of others can inform us about them in some ways. But basically, we are who we are. To the best of my knowledge, I'm descended in equal parts from four different European countries, and at least half of those were disparaged at some time in American history.

My last name is a Dutch name, so I confess to that one more often than the others, but at various times I've said I'm each one to fit a particular story or occasion. I'm not suggesting equivalency here. I'm just saying that Senator Obama is not denying any part of his heritage when he refers to himself as African-American.

Also urging you, and all of us, to get away from labels, the sooner the better.

Lo siento Wendy. I meant Taylor Marsh - the mastermind that created the Gordo-spy-bot-drone that keeps hitting us with random quotes. Taylor was too smart to limit the program to only take quotes from her own site.

Rob,

STevens once referred to the internet as a bunch of tubes ... the whole quote was absoutely hilarious and indicated just how out of touch he was.

Warren,

Sanctions seem to be working in N. Korea. Instead of war, Kim J. Il disbands his capibilities for money and supplies. I think invading Iran would be much worse.

Rob,

Here's the Wiki article on Stevens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes

Just looked at the CNN link from McCaina.

McCain is a war monger but he made Obama look look naive and unsure of himself.

BO is an amateur - they're going to kick his teeth in during the general.

EdVb,

It's interesting about labels. Someone I work with who is African American says she won't vote for Obama because he is African American and also his last name rhymes with Osama.

Warren:

I agree with you on the sanctions post. Frankly I think all the politicians on both sides have it wrong when it comes to the issue of sanctions.

Wendy, what would you do instead?

"Throwing in the kitchen sink"

is that a sexist remark?

Apparently made by a Clinton staffer.

warren, of course Cuba is the perfect example of how sanctions backfire. We have stupidly created (at least partially) a country of poor socialists driving 57 chevies held together with duct tape and bailing wire and who are devoted to their leader while depriving ourselves of the best cigars in the world, great rum and the chance to visit what was once considered the most beautiful Island in the Caribbean.

Hey Rob:

Yes, that is the dilemma as I also don't believe in preemptive war - so i agree with you there.

Certainly, we need to open up diplomatic relations with these governments. Currently the Bush administration has tagged them as evil and we refuse to talk to them at all - even on the most basic of diplomatic levels.

A first step would be to stop the threats and big talk of preemptive war and then to at least try and open up the conversation with them - of course the world community needs to be involved in these conversations.

I guess I'm for something in the middle here.

Bye all, have fun with the political banter :-)

Wendy, im whoa78whoa at geeeee mail

Good TM, Craig.

tt

Well, by Gawd, I know MY heritage. I sent my DNA to the National Geographic and had it traced. Proud to be an Ethopian.

"...Americans are split, 46%-46%, over whether Obama, a first-term senator, has the experience to be president. In contrast, Clinton is seen as having enough experience by 2-1, McCain by 3-1."

But...the article says Obama is still the most electable...why...because it's all a beauty contest as has been demonstrated by the comments here today. Man, are we in trouble.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-02-25-poll-prez_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

Wendy, its interesting what you say. I remeber something I blogged about like a while ago. Israel refuses to negotiate with Palastine. Palastine refuses to recognize that Israel even exists. So they can't have their main people talking with each other. Instead they have really low ranking people negotiate, really low people on both sides who happen to not be hiding that they are reporting back and taking direct orders from the top decision making brass.

Well, I'm a western European mutt. And with that, I'm taking my bone and going home. Later y'all. And alpha and bear, I'd still like an answer to my earlier post about when arrogant took on a racial connotation from your perspective, having never heard that until today, here.

Warren,

I appreciate your comments and share in your belief. It is due to the media's obsession with calling Barack an African American and thereby identifying him by race that I find it necessary to comment related to race or to identify my great-nephew in racial terms. In order to get to that future day when we can all be called Americans without the necessity of having to identify ourselves in terms of race I believe we have to have a dialogue about misconceptions and misrepresenations about race in order to find solutions. As long as people identify themselves racially as only one of their many races I believe it is a misrepresentation of who they are and we should look at what their reasons are for doing this. Is it a result of being treated in a racist manner, is it to find identity within a group, is it to receive favorable treatment, is it to conform to societal norms, etc.? The truly great day for our country will be when we have candidates for President or any other office and we don't identify them in term of their race but rather as to what issues they stand for in their desire to represent all Americans.

Kate,

Did you see my post about the person I work with. It surprised me.

Wendy:

Your foreign policy views are sounding more in line with Obama than Clinton. I knew we would win you over sooner or later...woohoo!!

Rezdog

Buy you books and send you to school,what do we get?

One more time!

If a Clinton staffer says it, then the word You use is racist.

If done by an Obama supporter then it is sexist.

Please do not confuse these two again or we will have to call you a Republican.

I hope that helps

Jack

The war is here. Now we have to deal with it. Bush is going to be out. It doesn't matter how we got there, because it can not be undone.

Who is best suited to lead our military interests?

Ask the military people you know, it would be interesting to see what they think. Our soldiers die for us, not for anyone else. I think it's something to consider when you make your choice for President. We can't afford to let our troops down again.

Of course staffers use words they shouldn't. They're not being 'political," like the candidates, they love the candidate they work for and don't care anything for the other ones.

Kate:

Here is a quote from my friend Chinedu:

"An Obama Presidency matters in the eyes of someone who needs a reason to keep moving forward despite the obstacles in the personal lives or the skepticism of political wrangling. It matters even more to the child who does not yet know that a black person cannot become president. In other words, Senator Obama transcends whatever notions we may empty into the psyche of blackness and elevates to hope.

And hope was precisely Dr. King’s legacy: to acknowledge that race is an important issue, fight it whenever it rears its ugly head, but that ultimately seek to be judged apart from it. That we can retain our differences while celebrating the overwhelming commonalities among us is perhaps the most amazing thing about America."

For what it's worth , when I have been drinking with my friends and I start laughing , my friends always says "Uh-oh , Corey is starting to cackle!" Then he starts laughing as well. But , he's never accused me of being shrill.

Oh okay Jack, so the Clinton staffer was being racist. :-)

Wendy,

Those calling it a beauty contest are more right than I'd like them to be. If experience and intelligence mattered as much as they do in every other job, we should have been watching Joe Biden, Chris Dodd and probably Bill Richardson in that debate last night.

McCaina:

What needs to be done to improve the Middle East is for the US President to provide a clear indication that we are leaving.

I am not for Hillary's 60-day plan. No plans can be made without knowing the facts on the ground come Jan. '09. I also think we should make announcements about troop removals - not our plans to do so in the future.

But a clear message that we are getting out starts to decrease the tension created by the notion that we are an imperial power with intentions of staying there for an undetermined length of time.

Obama's comments that we will respect Iraq as a sovereign nation - as opposed to Bush treating the region like a science project - will go along way towards improving the situation.

Not all the way of course. And I know a lot of important things need to be done - but our unclear position that indicates we have no intentions of leaving - stands in the way of that progress.

Word on the street is that a lot of troops over in Iraq are for Obama.

EdVB:

I challenge you to define "intelligence."

Word on the street is that a lot of troops over in Iraq are for Obama.

Posted by: warren | February 27, 2008 5:05 PM

What did they do? An on the spot street Q&A in Bagdad to find out how they felt about Obama?

Warren - in your opinion

Who is best suited to lead our military interests?

LOL,

Wow, very tiring to try to read all the posts to get caught up. I think the Obama bashing today would make Bill Cunningham very proud! lol

I would link to it, but Youtube is blocked on this particular network.

I suggest everyone go to Youtube and do a search for Chris Rock, Bring the Pain. Watch the entire show but just after the half way point, he breaks into this riff... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggas_vs._Black_People

As you watch it, interject the names of the candidates until you get to a plausible scenario...

I am bored and VERY tired.. physically kapot! good night, I am ready for sleep. My Italiano arrives tomorrow....

Rezdog

There you got it.

You do have to be careful and not confuse either one with a Republican who is a "War mongering money grubbing patriarchal racists pig" this phrase needs to be said fast enough so that it comes out as one word

Jack ;-0

To expand on Warren's point Euro,

The feedback I have gotten from those serving in the ME, the officer corps prefers McCain, the enlisted prefer Obama.

This information is gathered from conversations with officers and enlisted friends and acquaintances who are presently serving or who have just returned from a tour...

Oh and I got this from my friend Tresy... he said he hesitated but it is worth the debate... From The New Republic:

THE NEW REPUBLIC
Race Man
by Sean Wilentz
How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.
Post Date Wednesday, February 27, 2008

http://www.tnr.com/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

Word on the street is that a lot of troops in Iraq are for Obama?

Kinda sounds like Huggy Bear. Should have closed that statement with , But you didn't hear that from me.

McCaina:

Obama.

Thanks bear, and goodnight all... I really am physically drained.. cheers.

Switcheroo

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23374249/

Warren, before I go to sleep, I am just going to change a few words in your friend's statement to point out that the same can be true for Hillary Clinton's campaign for President

"A Hillary Clinton Presidency matters in the eyes of someone who needs a reason to keep moving forward despite the obstacles in the personal lives or the skepticism of political wrangling. It matters even more to the child who does not yet know that a woman cannot become president. In other words, Senator Clinton transcends whatever notions we may empty into the psyche of gender and elevates to hope.

And hope was precisely the early feminist legacies: Betty Friedan, Gloria Steinam, etc. to acknowledge that gender equality is an important issue, fight sexism it whenever it rears its ugly head, but that ultimately seek to be judged apart from it. That we can retain our differences while celebrating the overwhelming commonalities among us is perhaps the most amazing thing about America."

Anyway, I agree with him/her... But the writing hits spot on why this is so difficult for core democratic constituencies, two extremely important target groups who have remained highly alienated from the highest office of the land.

Bill Richardson? Why what did he do?

Warren,

Intelligence is probably too broad a term. I wasn't trying to diss the remaining candidates. Just saying those guys had more experience and presumably the intelligence that comes from experience. I was in the tank for Biden from the beginning and most folks know that here.

Quarreling is not my style.

EdVB:

I have always been a fan of Biden as well.

Eurotom,

True and what about Jews and American born Asians.

Greg Oden is endorsing Obama!

http://www.yardbarker.com/users/gregoden

ROTFLMAO!!!

Bear

I took your advice and watched Chris Rock's, "Niggas vs. Black people"(although, I must admit, I wasn't thinking about any candidates, while I was watching...I was LMAO!!) and also his views on "Love and Relationships"!!....I hadn't seen him do those bits in a long time!!! OMG...I haven't laughed this hard in weeks!!!

warren in response to your 4:52 post - it's clear that u did not read/understand my post and/or don't know anything about hillary's positions with regards to foreign policy.

hillary has been very clear on the need to open up diplomatic discussions with the countries bush has cut us off from and to end 'cowboy diplomacy' which to me is the threats of attack.

I hate to burst your bubble because I still believe obama's approach is uniformed, a tad misguided, a little mysterious and definitely erratic.

Warren,

"I am not for Hillary's 60-day plan. No plans can be made without knowing the facts on the ground come Jan. '09. I also think we should make announcements about troop removals - not our plans to do so in the future."

When this started, Senator Obama said he would start pulling out troops immediate. Senator Clinton said she would hope to start pulling out troops but couldn't say for sure until she knew the conditions, but would negotiate set dates with the Iraqi government. She was ridiculed for that wise position.

Because of the constant pressure from Senator Obama, she has moved to the point of saying she would start bringing them home within 60 if conditions permit while Senator Obama has switched to the position she first held. He is getting praised for his wise outlook.

What is wrong with this picture?

ok after blasting warren, I have to come to his defense. obama does have a lot of support among th military - he has raised more money from that group than any other candidate.

this is not something I would base my own vote on - bit warren is right when he says obama has a lot of support among th military.

Well Now we know why we are fussing so much... We all really wanted Biden and are totally P,O, that we had to settle for somebody else. .... now if we had only picked the same somebody else.

What is wrong with this picture?
--Jamie

IMHO, she never should've let BHO get in her head like she obviously did. 8(

Ok ok Wendy...I will have to just keep trying then. And instead of being polite - you could have just called me "dumb" - thats how they role in the Clinton camp.

Jamie:

Nothing is wrong. Obama is moving in the right direction - and Hillary is resorting to pandering because she is desperate.

Correction:

"thats how the roll" (but there might something to my slip though since it seems like all of her surrogates - except Steph from OH - are reading from the same script).

Jamie:

As we have learned on this board - people will ridicule you no matter what position to take. The key is knowing when you are right - and quickly figuring out when you are wrong.

Hey Warren:

would love to see a direct quote from anyone in the 'clinton camp' calling someone 'dumb'.

Wendy:

I was watching CNN a couple of days ago and they had foreign policy advisors from the Big 3 candidates - Clinton's used the term "dumb."

I think Clinton herself my have referred to Bush (or his policies if you want some nuance) as "dumb" on the campaign trail - but I am not about to scurry around and locate a quote. Suffice to say, her tone can be very disrespectful to others - just like SOME of her supporters.

Time to get out of the office - maybe I can actually get some work done at home...

"Nothing is wrong. Obama is moving in the right direction - and Hillary is resorting to pandering because she is desperate"

LOL

Here is another one

When Obama is changing his talking point he is moving in the right direction.
When Hillary is changing her talking point she is pandering. Desperate pandering at that, most likely because of those hormones ya know.

Good one Warren!
Way to play the game
LOL
Some days you people are just too funny

Jack

"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts."

-- Albert Einstein

warren - I look forward to a quote or video.

what a brush u paint with in regards to tone.

look to obama for a condescending dismissive tone as well - also obama supporters suffer from the same syndrome.

stop pointing fingers as both sides are guilty.

Warren,

Lol you're allowed to do this at your office.

Is Warren a lawyer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-355kMZxUN4&feature=related

Something for a laugh!

Corey,

That was so, so random. huh?

Kate...

In regards to your 4:43 pm post.

Right on!!!!!

God Bless

Well , it was going to be Fed Sanford.

Fred Sanford*

"Nothing is wrong. Obama is moving in the right direction - and Hillary is resorting to pandering because she is desperate."

I see ... situation normal. He is copying her wise and experienced position, and she's copying his amateur ones to try to stay ing the race.

Quit arguing, the results are in the bag

Diebold Accidentally Leaks Results Of 2008 Election Early

watch the video

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks?utm_source=EMTF_Onion

an interesting news article from McClatchy, on how the Republicans will run against Obama.
Hit him high and then low and dirty.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/28895.html

Jack

A bit of micro targeting by the Obama campaign They are aiming for those Deleware Dunkin donut managers that Biden sees all the time.

A bit of humor folks

Barak O'bollywood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA-451XMsuY

Jack

""Nothing is wrong. Obama is moving in the right direction - and Hillary is resorting to pandering because she is desperate.""

It's amazing how many people prefer a good candidate to a good President.

I used to be a cable new junkie but I have quit them all except some PBS. I now tune in to this blog to get my news and entertainment. At least I get both sides.
Thanks you all.

I sure hope a president can run the world a lot better than running their campaign. The staffs are so much different. You have leaders in your cabinet (I would hope they would pick good ones not the ones Bush picked), you have campaign people and they don't know much about running the country but know a lot about winning elections.

You could say Bush ran a great campaign in 2004, but as a leader........

If Obama becomes Pres I hope he becomes the best president we ever had. But the way he is running his campaign is not affecting how I feel he can run the world.

It wont matter because Obama will not win the GE.

Hubert Humphrey would probably have been a very good President. I just hope the election map for 2008 doesn't look like this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1968

This year people are getting their information about the candidates from the media. It's easier than going and finding out their voting records, going to their web sites, reading about them. We should be doing that but we are not. I was listening to Hannity driving home from work and I know he is about to release the attack dogs but right now he does not know to much about Obama. He was asking good questions about him not the lowq level attack questions. Now there is a guy in the media who you would think would know a lot more than us by now.

The economy is in the tank, no matter who gets in, they will have their hands full. I only wish there was a "magic wand"

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/27/news/economy/fuelandfood/index.htm?eref=rss_topstories

I have heard talk today about the debate last night. Obama kept his cool even when challenged to do otherwise.

I still go back to the Columbus Dispatch piece link I posted yesterday which said

“history's most successful presidents are the ones who were able to frame, with concision and grace, America's challenges and hopes, the ones who had greatest command over what Theodore Roosevelt famously called "the bully pulpit."

God, if there was ever a time in history when we needed hope, it is now. That hope, along with good, sound, intellectual judgment, is right for now. Europe already knows this; the US is close to deciding this is what we need. BTW, I “rolled the dice” and my son “rolled the dice”. We voted today (in Ohio). My daughter, delivering my first grandchild on the 9th, has voted as well. Wonder if we are like those thousands of Texans voting early????

In case you missed it: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2008/02/26/pitt25.ART_ART_02-26-08_A11_QS9F7SA.html?sid=101

vadaryl,

I've only listened to Hannity a few times, but I'd be wary of any answers he comes up with to those "good" questions you heard him asking. Chances are he's laying the foundation for his own spin.

the whole vote early thing is to hold on to his momentum before anything knocks him down.....

vote early and vote often.....such a stereo-type

I know his intentions are not that good and I don't care for what he does but today they were general questions. It's ones that could of been asked last night during the debate. I was just surprised that they were some of the same questions I had and he did not know them by now. He's not the only one that is asking them. In a few days he will be going down the attack road with the answers he gets.

This will be a quiet blog when the primary is over....unless ....there are any McC supporters who want to battle it out here.

This Cunningham guy is getting to much press. All over using someone's middle name. Yes he used it in a negative way, but has this country dropped to this level. What's next, we got till November.

Do americans care about guilt by association anymore? Maybe not as much as the old days. But it may depend on what the person did?

Though I still will support the Democratic nominee if it is Hillary or if she is the vice-presidential candidate, I am starting to read more on Nader's positions... I like his statement on civil rights.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Ralph_Nader_Civil_Rights.htm

This Cunningham guy is getting to much press. All over using someone's middle name. Yes he used it in a negative way, but has this country dropped to this level. What's next, we got till November.

Posted by: vadaryl | February 27, 2008 9:38 PM

Hey watch it... I've always been a big fan of Ritchie Cunningham ! :-)

When I first saw the tape, I thought the guy was a nutcase, but it did not bother me. It was an intro to get the audience excited. He did what they wanted him to do.

I hope there is not some rule against posting more than one link on this site, but I’ve been so busy trying to find meaningful employment that I did not notice the New York situation about Obama’s votes not being counted there. Has it been posted on here before? I may be naïve, but I could actually see Bloomberg having a very meaningful position in an Obama presidency.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02192008/news/regionalnews/mike_bloomberg_claims_vote_fraud__98367.htm

http://www.progressohio.org/page/community/post/adap2k/C3vm

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/20/new_york_city_still_tallying_v.html

I hope there is not some rule against posting more than one link on this site, but I’ve been so busy trying to find meaningful employment that I did not notice the New York situation about Obama’s votes not being counted there. Has it been posted on here before? I may be naïve, but I could actually see Bloomberg having a very meaningful position in an Obama presidency.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02192008/news/regionalnews/mike_bloomberg_claims_vote_fraud__98367.htm

http://www.progressohio.org/page/community/post/adap2k/C3vm

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/20/new_york_city_still_tallying_v.html

What I have a problem with is that they are turning it into a use of a middle name issue.

How many times will we hear my good friend.

Sad day for Steeler fans. The creator of the Terrible towel died this morning. Myron Cope

It appears that the Clinton campaign will continue to lobby Superdelegates for support,,,

Longtime Clinton Aide Returns to the Fray

By ADAM NAGOURNEY
Published: February 28, 2008
ARLINGTON, Va. — Harold M. Ickes may be Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s last hope for winning the Democratic presidential nomination.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28ickes.html?ref=politics

Head's up music lovers. Create your own radio station. Why hunt one you tube at a time, when all your favorite artists are playing the in the background and it's free.

http://www.pandora.com/

Thanks for the info Jamie. I just clicked on and found that because I am in Belgium I cannot participate. However, my former co-host on my Afternoon Delight radio program is researching the possibility of us re-creating a radio program using the internet. I do so miss community radio.

If you ever want to listen to a nice, eclectic station visit KAOS
http://www.kaosradio.org

Almost work time here.. pfffft

This is such a Republican-Rovian thing to do, I can't resist.

Did Christopher Buckley kill his renowned father, William F, Buckley?

In an article entitled, "Early Retirement" NYTimes author, DOUGLAS MARTIN, explores retirement and the baby boomers drain on Social Security.

"Early Retirement"

"...baby-boom pop culture...might be called Gen-W for its all-purpose, one-word barrier to any unwelcome or annoying circumstance — “whatever.”

The premise: Social Security is bankrupting the country. The problem: young people are stuck with bills tallied up by self-indulgent retirees playing golf and drinking gin and tonics in gated communities. The solution: financial incentives for boomers who agree to kill themselves at the age of 70 (even more if they do it at 65). To put a nice wrapper on the plan, suicide is to be known as “voluntary transitioning.”

“Boomsday” echoes Kurt Vonnegut’s “Welcome to the Monkey House,” set in a future when overpopulation drives the World Government to encourage “ethical suicide.” While it’s not fair to measure (Christopher) Buckley’s large-scale novel against Vonnegut’s elegant short story, reading “Boomsday” might make you long for the days when puerile humor wasn’t confused with genuine wit."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/books/review/Stern.t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

tt

ET

You have to stop staying up until three in the morning. It makes getting up for work difficult.

Tiptoe

It isn't all that implausible. For everyone in the world to have the same standard of living as that of the developed nations (food water housing transportation etc.), we have to get rid of about three billion people. Luckily the bodies are biodegradable.

*L* @ Jamie!

Reminds me of Carousel in "Logan's Run". Or....yuck...."Soylent Green".

tt

jamie: One thing great about accessing the music genome via Pandora is the education you get.
No one can possibly have all that music in their library, and it's wonderful to hear comparable artists and buy it if you want.
I listen daily and it's great...I've been with Pandora a year or so.
Just be patient, music lovers...your selected artist will eventually arrive and dominate that selected station. It's a wonderful website.

ah, the good old days, Buckley called Vidal a "queer" after Gore called him a "crypto-Nazi" and Buckley said he'd "punch your goddamn face in and you'll stay plastered."

http://www.kronykronicle.com/1968/BV4.html

Twenty-four years later, on Wednesday, August 28, at nine-thirty o'clock, in full view of ten million people, the little door in William F. Buckley Jr.'s forehead suddenly opened and out sprang that wild cuckoo which I had always known was there but had wanted so much for others, preferably millions of others, to get a good look at. --Gore Vidal, "A Distasteful Encounter with William F. Buckley Jr.," 1969

from Esquire magazine which had a running exchange of articles by buckley and vidal......as I remember vidal got the last word.........