I have to admit that I find the hoopla about McCain at CPAC hilarious - he snubbed them last year, has walked into the Repug nomnation without them this year, has been pilloried by their loudest mouthpieces for the past year and at the convention this year, and will address them after the good little conservatives have been told that they can't express themselves as they wish when he speaks. (How Bushian).
---then proceeded to ask what time GOP front-runner John McCain was going to speak today. "Oh good," he said to the response -- answer: 3 p.m. today-- "I hope they boo him out of the room."
""No, no no no no" came the reply from the person registering him. "We've been instructed to tell participants not to boo McCain."---------
What is behind Mitt's decision to call it quits. Could he being eying the VP slot. Could he and McCain get along well enough. Something seems fishey about this.
Jack, happy to provide a little humor. BTW, you might call RonPaul and suggest a 3rd party run, although there are times I think he'd draw more Ds who want out of Iraq than he would Rs who want a little government.
VaD - I think Romney just sees the writing on the wall - like he said, size coes matter - and as a good businessman doesn't believe in throwing good money after bad. After Tuesday, his mountain got much higher, and even for someone with his wealth, after $25M, pouring more money into a losing effort can't be done lightly.
I thought Huckie was a given after what has been going on but one has to wonder why Mitt called it quits. I just think there is more to this besides saving money, he got tons of it.
"Today Mitt Romney nobly stepped aside for John McCain and will become Vice presidential running mate by so doing. He has also established Iraq as the centerpiece issue for the fall Presidential election. To further this, he asked anti-McCain Republicans and conservatives to join him in unity behind front-runner John McCain.
It's a win win for Romney. If they lose he can be the heir apparent in the traditional Republican way
and if they win then there is the ChucK Norris theory of
McCain's life span.
The problem the CPAC crowd face is they don't have the feet on the ground aka votes. All they have is money. Money isn't working this year in the Republican party, look at Huckabee.
I don't see how they can set this election out they are going to have to back McCain just to maintain a bit of credibility.. Look for CPAC and McCain to kiss and make up both need each other and both are in this for practical reasons.
I really want all of you to have this information. It would explain so much. But I have a problem. Explaining my problem could create a problem for someone else.
A woman describing herself as a Christian conservative just told Limpballs that hell would freeze over before she would vote for McCain- or Huckabee for that matter. (I'm listening to RW talk radio to get their take on the Repug race now that Romney has dropped out so that ou won't have to.)
I don't have your email or I would have written you personally. Being ignored by someone who doesn't respect you or your right to post your thoughts is, in my book, not a bad thing. Consider it an honor :)
Someone was complaining about the conduct of the Hillary supporters being too vitriolic (I think that was the word). I have thought about this and it could be true. Obama supporters should be flying HIGH.. the media coverage for him has been a virtual love fest. WIth all the attacks on Hillary, it could be a board like this is what HRC supporters need to commiserate.
Anyway, the complaints about posts by Patsi, KGC, Jamie, Lush, and myself makes me feel that I am in a group of pretty great people. I suspect I was the one most over-the-top because of what I feel were personal attacks on me by someone who does a very good job of "slash and burn" blogging. I saw that on my first day here. Of course the most mature response would be to ignore and move on.
From WIlliam Kristol's column... an interesting comment made by Shirley Chisholm when running for President:
"Another way of looking at electability is to wonder whether it’s more of a disadvantage to be black or to be female. Shirley Chisholm, the black woman who ran for president in 1972, argued in effect that there were more sexists than racists in America. “I met more discrimination as a woman, than for being black,” Ms. Chisholm once said.
And recent polling and psychology research seem to back that up."
I wonder if Carol Moseley Braun would concur. When she dropped out of the Presidential race in 2004, she endorsed Howard Dean. Has anyone ever seen any comments from her regarding her role as a black woman seeking the Presidency?
EuroTom.....
I hope you don't really leave this blog.... I really have enjoyed your posts.....
although I will admit I don't read much of what's taking place here at night anymore..... I am a morning person and am rarely here at night.....
and as a person working at what I love and have a passion for.... I no don't want to take the time to read so many posts.....
vadaryl.... I agree with you that Romney's choice of dropping out now is an interesting one..... I guess we'll just have to wait and see what develops....
To my democratic colleagues… we may be in for a phenomenal letdown at the end of this primary nomination process that has been energizing, exciting, and hopeful as we look to move past the Bush debacle of the past 8 years. I have this sinking feeling in my gut because what I see playing out is an energized democratic electorate that will most likely be split right down the middle… in two separate camps clinging to both of their powerful leaders. If Hillary and Barack do not play this right, the winner of the nomination may well be given the chance to be the loser in the general election because the “losing” camp may not come out to support our candidate in the general election. Example… Barack comes out saying that we cannot afford to return to the President Clinton years of 1992-2000 where Bill hurt the Democratic Party. Hillary’s campaign is allegedly marginalizing Barack. Barack says that Hillary will polarize the electorate. Hillary says that Barack does not have the experience. Then there’s the common judgment that we all know…. Barack is inspirational and idealistic and Hillary is realistic and ready to deliver (which I believe is a true assessment… I want both) Hillary wants to debate and Barack does not. Hillary wants to include Florida and Michigan delegates and Barack does not. Hillary gets the big states and Barack gets the small states. Hillary and Barack have distinct age, gender, and ethnic electorates that are solidly behind each of them. The pledged delegates will be statistically even and it will come down to two camps of Super Delegates.
We are heading for two camps and if Barack and Hillary do not find a way to bring the two camps together at whatever point we can have a nominee… we are toast in November as these two distinct camps will not fully support the other because of the points I’ve made. The only way I see this working out is that Barack and Hillary focus their campaign comments on the strong differences with the Republican Party and the President Bush ideology for the remainder of this campaign. The more they focus on each other’s differences… the gulf between the two camps will only become further apart. And if it goes to the credentials committee in the DNC, forget it… it will be a nightmare scenario.
Boy you have a big foot. haha
Hope you are doing well. I just saw your you tube for the first time, that is neat.
As an OHIO Native, I can tell you, Hillary will take the state. She already has all the big democrats on her side and Stickland.
I think she will take Texas also.
Boy I sure hope Howard Dean lets Fl. and Mich in. Then she should be over the top.
It will be interesting.
Go Hillary!
ET, actually that Chisholm quote was from Nicholas Kristoff's column today.
OK, someone needs to send this to Howie Dean to begin prepping the attack against John McCain - thanks to Ann Coulter (yeah, I know, but she just hates McCain)
warren....
yes it does.....
all those Obama supporters who think he is a religion instead of just a flawed human being (as we all are) running for president.....
I agree with a lot of the stuff leveled at Clinton..... she does represent the Democratic Establishment and all it's big donors....
IndyMan - you could be right but I don't think so, particularly now that McCain is going to be the Repug to vote AGAINST even if you aren't crazy about HIllary or Obama. Just about every Dem here has indicated their intent to vote for the Dem nominee - enough Iraq, enough Bush tax cut nonsense, and enough bogus war on terror unites most dems against anyone who would continue the Bush policies.
McCain being booed at CPAC while talking about his immigration stance.
I wouldn't quote her - I have to spit when I mention her name - I'd just steal her research on him, which I'm betting will get very good in the next few months. I believe in learning from the enemy.
Pogo... I hope you are right!!! I will vote for the dem ticket no matter who the nominee for the reasons you mentioned. I just feel that the line being drawn between the Barack and Hillary camps is being drawn with an "age, gender and race permanent marker" by our own party faithful... and supported by the media biases. McCain, the Repug, will still be tough to beat if we lose any part of our demo colleagues who may be so invested into their own historic candidate.
You need to move on from George W. Bush - everyone else has.
The country is moving beyond Bush - we just need to make sure he doesn't wreak anymore some havoc before he goes back to Texas.
Btw, Hillary would have a tough time winning TX in the general with the Bush family backing him. TX is Bush country my friends. And McCain's view on immigration does not drive Latinos over to the Dems
I just have to repost this comment I wrote earlier in the day. Please note this is a stab at humor, ok???
Oh whine whine whine... I'm offended again, so I think I will leave in a huff and do a little boo-hoo-hoo while I'm at it. pleeezzzzz .... Personally could I recommend we stop playing the victim role and LIGHTEN UP? Oprah would NOT be pleased at our dysfunctionality. How about we all electronically hold hands, swaying back and forth, singing "Kumbaya"? We could then do a special rendition of "We are the World", and end it all with a tongue-in-cheek "To All the Girls I loved Before" as our special tribute to Bill Clinton.
And my very favourite recommendation... how about we stop with the "whine, whine, whine" and get into the "wine, wine, wine"...
I'll drink red.
Sante'
I think I'm gonna watch The Doris Day Show, That Girl and Mary Tyler Moore. It was a "kinder, gentler" period then.
Many kisses and hugs,
MEEEEEEEEEEEE
If this doesn't work, we could always create an online 12-step dysfunctional bloggers support group.
"I admit i am a chronic internet blog user and my life has become unmanageable"
"I believe that a power blogger greater than me can restore me to so-so sanity. "....
I don't think people have moved on from George Bush and I think it is very important to hang his policies are the neck of the gop contenders.
Why should McCain get a pass from anyting Bush has done. He may have spoken out as he did on torture but in the end he voted with Bush, He said the Bush plan wouldn't work in Iraw but did nothing to stop it.
The reason the electorate is so energized is their hatred of Bush. We do not want to take that away.
Warren...
I disagree that everyone has moved on from Bush....
I think the Dem nominee.... no matter who it finally is..... needs to hammer every day and in every way that to vote Republican is to vote for continuation of Bush's policies....
warren - I know you're an attorney - as am I. Some folks don't like to put too much ID on the web, understandably. Just trying to be neighborly, particularly after giving you hell about your lengthy post Tuesday.
Lots of folks think McCain is just like Bush on the issues many dems care a lot about, and he's already changing his rhetoric to get Bush voters. We won't have to call him Bush to energize TX repugs to vote for him - they aren't listening to us anyway. Steal some latino Texans and who knows, maybe the deeply red TX will turn a slightly purple shade for a change.
Craig -- Like the videos much better than the hit-and-run blog posts. It gives you much more time to flesh out your points. Hope we can have more of them...
Amen!.... let us pray and break bread together..... ;)
Pogo..... Rick has had some interesting discussions with Texans in bars over the last few years..... when they find out he's a northeastener..... it must be his accent..... they frequently start a conversation on politics..... and a lot of them have told him that they hate the Bushes.....
warren, like I said my email addy is larry dot chafin at steptoe hyphen johnson dot com. feel free to flip me an e-mail - I've gotten several e-mails from a few of the folks here and enjoy the off line communications.
renee, I know a few folks in Texas as well - psychology types up in the Denton area - none of them can stand Bush, but then again we are very sympatico politically.
Looks like Julie Mason is in the tank for Hillary and she's on MSNBC. Of course this is based purely on speculation but she is certainly not part of the Obama love fest.
no, warren, not coming on to you - Mrs. Pogo wouldn't approve. It's certainly not illegal to put up an e-mail address, but we spell the e-mail addresses out to avoid having them picked up by spammers - a good practice BTW no matter what non secure site you're on. No, lawyers are just few and far between here, and when I run across one I sort of try and network - collegiality and all that. (Notice - I didn't ask for a pic). LOL
Obama can certainly turn down the debates. Even Wolf on CNN said since when does a frontrunner ask for debates.
Although people will of course try to use it against them but it is just another example of the Clinton campaign attempting to change the rules to suit them.
Matthews is one of the top political analysts going.
warren
I could not disagree more. Even when he doesn't have a slobbering man crush, he is very shallow.
He rarely has an original thought and never follows through on questions, And he has a center right bias.
His time in the Peace Corp etc was his rebellion and now he is at home as a Bob Corker Republican.
Hardball that's a joke -more like nerfball or tball or some other game when you don't keep score.
unlikely_burrito: I suspect about half of the voters would view it as being pragmatic while another about half would view it as dodging. Those folks don't really matter though since they have already made a decision on who they will support.
I don't think it would look good for Obama with the undecided folks but it probably wouldn't be enough to sway many voters. However if he does agree to a debate and doesn't do well or does poorly that could have a real negative effect.
I would love to see a few more 1 on 1 debates. Keep the candidates busy with the issues, keep their constituency informed and practice for upcoming debates with McCain.
Matthews' problem is that he is in deep hate mode for all thinkgs Clinton, and has been for months. I hear he's less biased on his Sunday show, shich I have watched about twice, but Hardball just gives him a form to attack Bill and Hillary, which he does regularly. I watch occasionally, but have cut back and tend to watch CNN during that hour anymore. Biggest problem with him is his refusal to let guests finish a sentence or explain a comment.
I guess on debates, if a frontrunner thought they made him or her look better against their competition, they would ask for them. Hillary does, Obama doesn't. Best I can tell, neither is the frontrunner at this point, so either can ask for them and either can accept or decline. Of course declining will be used against Obama by the Clinton campaign - this is presidential politics, not a friendly game of penny-ante poker - and if Obama's campaign feels thy'll be hurt less by dealing with the fallout from the denial than by the debates, they'll keep refusing to participate. My question becomes why not, although I've heard the Obama campaign's answers to that question, so I don't expect to see the debates occur. Our loss.
Well, all - off to get the kid, basketball, the routine.later.
Obama should do fine in the debates against McCain. He is not the same type of trickster as Hillary - you saw how he came off badly attacking Romney with some past quote. Plus, Obama will draw such a contrast on stage with McCain - he won't have to say much.
And aren't you Hillary people always telling me that Barack is all talk!
"More debates give BOTH candidates opportunities to make mistakes that can be used against either in the general"
That's a good point. But both candidates have demonstrated they can debate without rancor. They can have issue focused debates.
I think the choice of moderator is important. I think Senator Clinton made a mistake in agreeing to the Fox debate after the boycott. They should just include nbc in the boycott.
Not to pile on you or Chris Matthews, but I'm with KGC on this one. If Chris is among the best analysts going, we have a greater dearth of good analysts than qualified candidates.
I think he was pretty good as a columnist, way back when, but find he has very little credibility in his current role. He's a little better on his weekend show, but his biases tend to creep in there too.
I read what I guess was a transcript of his recent apologia after saying Hillary was only a candidate because her husband got caught fooling around, and found his excuse of shooting from the hip to be a monumental cop-out. He said what he believed, and he got called on it.
The one thing that might make Matthews look good to viewers is his position in the lineup before and after Tucker Carlson.
I do not think Matthew's comments about Hillary are based on a hatred of all things Clinton. I think he call's it like he see's it - but that is not to say he does not take sides.
I think you just bristle at any negative criticism of Hillary Clinton - as a candidate NOT as a person - and choose to dismiss it and even change the channel.
I am sure Obama would be happy to debate McCain every day of the week so why not Clinton.
One thing to think about without debates and with the Republican side settled the media will focus on Obama in an uncontrolled way. They might be better off having the debates and debates as the focus.
How many times can they write about his stump speech.? I was with Obama supporters on election night and even they were saying --another speech please.
$$$$$Money is very important in political races. 35,000 people contributed to Hillary in the last day. I am one of them..But, money isn't the most important thing. Just ask President Romney about that.
Obama has handled the media just fine during this campaign. And I would be more afraid of attacks from Bill Clinton than those from McCain. If Obama could survive that - he should be good in the general election campaign.
Warren
I took that info off the demographics in the link. It shows how each state compares to the rest of the United States. If you look under those categories you will find the data to back up the post.
I appreciate the sentiment but reject the comparison to Alan Colmes. That guy is a Fox News stereotype of a progressive Democrat. A bleeding heart liberal who does not have a clue, much less a backbone.
He is used as a flak to enable conseratives to make their arguments sound good.
He does - just trying to make a point and I do not watch him often.
Although I did used to listen to Hannity on the radio during the build up to the Iraq War. That guy had a huge part in building up the fear that led to the Bush Doctrine.
Trust me, I was not listening because I agreed with him.
Alan Colmes is the kind of person who comes accross better when his views are read. Put a decent, respectful guy next to a bully like Hannity..you have a problem.
Hardball discussion by Shustie and Chuckie T has it right in that I, too, believe that it is going to be hard for Hillary or Obama to unite this party enough if this primary process goes on to the convention. Whoever gets the nomination will only have a couple of months to unite the party before the general election. There is going to be a lot of grieving going on whether it is Obama or Hillary coming in second. Several of our bloggers here have said that Obama can unite better than Hillary.... I think you are underestimating the non-blogging Hillary electorate who are very much enthralled by her campaign. I'm going to keep pushing this point my fellow democratic colleagues. Let's all do our part to tone down the polarization of our two camps!!!
"Reading the posts I've come up with personality matches with some cable personalities. Not necessarily their views, but more conversational style."
--cable anne
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How can you compare my conversational style to someone, if you have never had a conversation with me?
I just want to chime in about larger crowds for Obama. My experience with the rallies is that Obama attracts a much younger crowd—people without daily and nightly responsibilities such as kids, work etc. I called one of my girlfriends on Bainbridge Island, WA today to ask if she was going to see Hillary and she is trying to figure out if her husband has to work late, if she can get a babysitter etc. Just an observation from personal experience.
Nash - who wins in the who do you wanna have a beer with contest between Hillary and McCain.
Bush has done a lot of things - but he has not eliminated one of the most time-honored traditions in American presidential politics.
If we just nominated the smartest one - say hello to President Kucinich, who by the way is from Ohio. Didn't he already throw support Obama's way in this campaign.
LushIsLinda,
LOL! That response is so Laura Ingram. Of course I can tell your conversational style from seeing how you converse with others here! I love you! Keep it up!
Ally, you are right. There is a very passionate grassroots support for Hillary and they are older and have more family responsibilities. Our fellow bloggers here that underestimate Hillary's support and who choose to dismiss one of our own (democratic candidate) helps to feed the polarization that will send these two camps further apart.
Speaking of Dennis Kucinich..In the 2004 campaign I heard that he would be speaking at Lincoln High School in Portland. I remember thinking that hardly anyone would show up..I drove to Portland and attended. I was surprised at the large, enthusiastic crowd. I should have remembered, this was Portland.
He was very impressive in person. I think he addeed lots to the debate. I do think he needs to stick to serving his district.
Warren, in case you haven't been introduced to Nash, let me do so now. Nash is our resident Almost Canadian of the far northeast Maine suburb who loves to be as acerbic as possible; thus, keeping us loose and laughing. He used to run (for the oldies here) a morning cafe with a different fare each day. Everyone reads Nash's posts even if they don't read the rest of them. And, if you need some interpretation of national and international economics, Nash is the guy!
Indy Man: I agree. I was just offering an observation of the crowd demographic based on my personal experience seeing both candidates on multiple occasions. I believe both of our candidates are compelling with powerful messages. And yes, they have very different oratorical gifts.
Nash..You have given me an opportunity to tell a true story.
In the early days of Portland, Oregon..there was a dispute about what the new settlement would be called.
Two of the city founders disagreed about the name.
One was from Boston, MA; the other was from Portland, ME. They agreed to a coin flip. I think you know which name won.
I agree it could go either way. And I accept the premise that Hillary would make a good president.
But not now.
In the current political scene, should would face a difficult and bitter general election. If she made it, people will not be able to put their political greivances aside and get to the country's business.
Warren... No, not at all... I'm not underestimating his support.... the majority of posts here definitely show the support that Barack has and I believe it is there. That is my point!!! We have two candidates with their own enthusiastic camps of supporters and when you have that kind of devotion and a short time to unite the party if this goes late into the spring and possibly the convention... there is going to be a lot of SHOCK to the camp that comes in second and that is going to take time get over it. so that we can win the election in November. I AM FOR EITHER CANDIDATE 100%... I don't believe that is the case for many of our fellow bloggers who are deep into their camps. I've gone back and forth between Obama and Hillary several times and am currently leaning toward Hillary at the moment because of her showing in the CA debate and her more inspirational approach while still delivering more specifics in her message too.
Craig...so good to see you wagging your cane at us. Is your hair getting longer or what!
I think I will fast forward to the Pepsi Center on or about the 25th of August. By then, New Mexico should have counted their votes. Uno, dos, tres.....
On the menu tonight at Cafe Crawford, Chablis and smoked Gouda.
Please be patient with the new members of our waitstaff as they are Romney's kids and, since he wiped out the family fortune, they all have to take entry-level jobs.
Later this evening, Rush Limbaugh will do a reading of "Howl" by Allen Ginsberg.
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by Oxycontin."
And after reading all of the persuasive arguments made by the Trail Mix gang for the dem candidate of choice, it will be miracle if McBush gets elected. We are really lucky this year and whoever the dems nominate will be our next Prez unless the Other Guys form an independent run to mess with the numbers.
I have to remember trail mix contains a lot of nuts, shriveled grapes and other assortments of yummy foods.
Indy Man: I totally agree. If this thing comes down to superdelegates or MI & FL and a bunch of lawyers - the Dems will have big trouble in the general on this issue.
Nash...I don't have a problem if you toss some Oxycontin in the trail mix although I am very found of valium and enjoy the blue better than the orange.
"LushIsLinda,
LOL! That response is so Laura Ingram. Of course I can tell your conversational style from seeing how you converse with others here! I love you! Keep it up!"
--cable anne
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Hmmmmm...that answer was very "Sheila-esque". Could it be that Sheila is lurking here, incognito?
I have been thinking about the list compiled by cable anne. I find a couple things interesting...
1) my name is on there, even though I rarely post anything of interest and just today, I said(referring to one of dog's posts) that no one ever mentions my name, when talking about posters.....LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
2) I find it fascinating that, of all the names listed, not one is a card carrying member of "Lurkers for a More Civil Crawfordslist". If cable anne has been lurking for a couple weeks, I think Sheila, HW, dnd, dog, anon-p, etc, would have been noted.
Think about it....
If cable anne is not Sheila, then it must be dog!!(and GORDO must be Sheila!!).
Well sort of like M&Ms, but after you have few you really won't notice the difference.
After watching McBush this afternoon, I am sooo excited about the dems. I really feel he doesn't have a chance. The dems have been surpassing turnout expectations in the primaries and I feel much better this afternoon than I have in awhile.
February is turning out to be one hell of a month for Hillary Clinton, and it's only begun. I've just learned that in the last 24-30 hours, Clinton has raised 6.4 million dollars, with 7.5 million online in February; and 40,000 new contributors so far and still counting.
Oh, and about that rumor of Clinton staff going unpaid. Baloney.
One thing to note, the Clinton campaign staff offered to work without pay. But it never happened. Loyalty, baby. http://www.taylormarsh.com/
Electronics being seized at the borders. Be careful when you travel as your electronic items may be seized or searched. You will even be forced to give up your computer log on password, and email log on and password.
And that's just the beginning. They will all check all your cell phone messages and copy your phone book entries.
The perfect thing about the timing of OB's huge January and then HRC saying she had to put some of her "own skin" in the game, is that when she asked her supporter for cabbage, they delivered.
I went to see Obama, he gave a good speech, the crowd was loud. I didn't learn anything at the rally, it really seemed like a pep rally without the bonfire. From other reports and coverage it appears that it was his standard uplifting stump speech. I was glad Oprah wasn't there because it would have drawn more gawkers, not people that were interested in issues.
The next day I went and saw Hillary, same size crowd, more excited crowd, and more specifics on all sorts of issues plus answering lots of questions from the crowd.
That was the day I decided to vote for Hillary, which I did in the NH primary. And right now I am still fully for Hillary. Obama hasn't given me enough reason to support him and that goes for the general election should he win the nomination. What would it take for him to close the deal? Hard to describe, but I'll know it if it happens.
Bye the way, I also went to see McCain, he comes across much better in person than on TV. I know that many people here don't care for him, but I do respect him, even when I disagree with many of his positions. And anyone here that thinks he will be a pushover in the general election is not paying attention. Rudy gone, Mitt gone, Thompson gone, Trancredo gone, others gone, gone, gone... Ron Paul forgotten but not gone.
BW: McCain was always the most formidable Republican opponent in the general election, but no one thought he could get the nomination. Add the charming, folksy Huckabee as VP and the Dems are in BIG TROUBLE now.
So what are they doing? Obama and Clinton zealots are tearing into each other like rabid weasels.
There is actually a form you can fill-out to verify your electronics (tsa.gov) and I actually carried my receipts for my video cam and bb (love that GSM technology) while traveling...I think I am more paranoid than you. : )
We will see if she can keep it up. Plus, a public and orchestrated call to arms after the candidate just dumped in a bunch of her own money in the campaign does seem too grass roots to me.
No, I'm not Shelia. There are a number of other posters here that I could not match up with a cable personalities. Maybe Shelia is Ann Curry. She seems so nice. I'm still working on Patsi! She's a hoot! Do you have any ideas?
Nash
The candidates are starting to play nice at least in public.
As for the followers there is not a lot of problems most democrats surveyed say they will be happy with either one.
Good evening all. From the thread, it looks like it's been kind of a soul-searching day with lots of folks licking wounds. Thank God this is only words on screens...sted of throwing stars and motorcycle chains.
Hey Anon-Paranoid...if you're out there, in the spirit of camaraderie I wanted to apologize for being such a jerk last night about your use of "God Bless" or "Signing Off" at the end of each message. I saw your explanation...that that that's simply part of your signature for each message. I took it completely a different way -- like you always wanted to just get the last word in before scurrying away, only to reappear moments later. So I completely misinterpreted and it was my fault...so I'm sorry about being so freakin' mean about it. My bad. I wouldn't blame you if you hate me.
Brain in NYC...I am truly sorry to hear that...it is terribly painful
And as my nik states, I am the blonde wino. I am sorry if you find me inappropriate. And I have never been called gross in my life...maybe my words are gross (cheaper by the dozen or gross??), but those that can see me have never called me gross. That comes as a surprise to me.
Unlikely...
Leftover funds can be retained in a campaign account for a limited period of time...maybe up to a year or two. I don't know exactly. But in theory, they could be transferred to some future campaign of that candidate for some other office, I believe.
Oh yeah...on the loan...it would be interesting to compare to Katherine Harris' supposed use of her own personal citrus-fortune inheritance to finance her Senate campaign in Florida a couple years ago. I think it turned out to be a loan...and she might have ended up getting a lot of it back.
That was an awfully long post...what are you talking about? What post, what thread? I may say stupid things, but I really do no feel I am malicious. If you feel I have crossed a line, what have I done?
Bowmanc & Nash-Agree totally that John McCain is the most formidable candidate the rep. could have.
While he may not have been well-received at CPAC, he started to define both hillary/obama as twin
weak sisters ready to surrender to the enemy. It is unfortunate that he will have a couple of months to define them on his terms while they continue their fight for delegates, not to mention the FL/Michigan & superdelegates dilemma looming.
To those who underestimate his appeal-- the warning "be careful what you wish for" comes to mind.
"Then came Monday’s mail with a nice letter and a $5,000 check signed by Kerry. It wasn’t a personal check, Feller said. It was drawn from the account of “Keeping America’s Promise,” Kerry’s political action committee, which is the repository of donations from around the country sent to support Kerry and used by him to fund campaigns and for political outreach - such as the donation to the Des Moines VFW post."
I remember when this happened (I live less than 5 miles from the VFW post) and there were a lot of angry donors from across the country, especially the ones who donated extra money for him to fund lawyers to fight the Ohio vote. Instead, he pocketed the money the last I heard.
I did not call you a child molestor and if I want to trash Rush Limbaugh, I can.
If you want to think I am gross and stupid, so be it. But, unlike you both...I will not hold it against you. Like I have said all along...it is my American, too.
Geez...I was so feeling good about the dems winning in November.
Z-
I see that make sense as well. I can see where they would take the money and run with it , creating a "dot" org, and good cause......most likely including a paycheck to themselves.
OLD TIMERS RETREATING AND BEING MISSED! Sort of like politically sides---the old timers and the newbies.
I wonder if the OLD TIMERS even bother to read the newbies posts or do they just hone in on their OLD TIMER MEMBERS.
After lurking for most of 2 weeks---it is very apparent who the CRAZYMAKERS are---those who WANT TO HAVE THE LAST WORD----those who hang BARBS AND STINGS on the end of a comment that are intentionally meant to incite rancor!
There is a difference between being WITTY and being a WISE ASS.
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Let me assure you that I read all the posts here every day. Since I started my blog I don't comment as much as I use to, however I always read what's going on and being said.
Between work, my blog, visiting all those I link to and other things going on in my life I sometimes find there are not enough hours in the day to do all I want or need to.
All newcomers are welcome no matter what. All I want to see is civility return to this house. That's all. No more, no less.
It will be interesting what happens after the convention and a nominee is finally chosen. Will all the democrats here close ranks and support the nominee? Will real and imagined slights and insults turn into dust or permanent feuds? That will be a predictor of how well the democratic candidate fares in the general election.
There seems to be a lot of dicussion about the types of posts on this site.
I started participating because I have found Craig to be an interesting person with perspectives not often heard in the media.
I'm most interested in learning from other people. Lots of that occurs on this site.
Personally, I try to not take part in some of the discussions due to the degree of personal insult.
That is my decision. Others may choose differently.
For Indy Man...
I don't think that Barack should give Hillary the debates she wants and here's why.
Hillary is short on money and by Barack giving her debates every week he would be also giving her free air time to make up for all the money she would have to spend otherwise in advertisements.
It won't hurt Barack, but it will definitely help Hillary since she short on cash. Also we already know what there plans are on the issues. So why should he help her with her campaign?
Actually, I think some of the allegedly "wounded" people here are being too precious by half. On the other hand, I think we all should do a bit more to be mindful of basic rules of respect and civility -- both on the tactical (this snotty message) and strategic (this running feud) level. And that's coming from someone who's posted his own share of snotty messages.
But in the end, I think the discussion here is pretty damn good and the folks here are pretty damned intelligent. I've really gotten a lot out of it. So I'm sticking with y'all, and I hope as many of you as possible stick with it too.
I knew if I prayed hard enough the Government would provide me what I needed to get that I-phone. Stay the heck out of Wal -mart with that rebate....Apple all the way...
LushIs...you're right. None of your snotty bones are in your body. They're in your hands, wielded like clubs. That, and your obvious goatee fetish, makes you kinda cute as far as I'm concerned.
:)
The results from each of the 184 precincts in New Mexico have been reported, but a winner in the Democratic caucuses there has not been declared, and there's no way of telling when that will happen. With all those results in, Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama by a count of 68,654 to 67,531. Clinton also holds a narrow lead -- 13 to 12 -- in New Mexico's pledged delegate count. (The state also has 13 unpledged delegates.) But 17,000 provisional ballots, accounting for more than 10 percent of the total vote, remain to be tallied. Rather than counting only the provisional ballots, the state Democratic Party, along with the candidates, has decided to hold a recount of all the votes cast.
This competition between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have thrown all common sense out of the window competence, experience issues of importantance and what is in country's best interests has taken a back seat to selecting America's first African-American president. This situation has presented an African-American with the upbringing of a middle American family from Kansas with the only the interruption of his upbringing was the four years that he spent in Indonesia from the age of six to 10. He was separated from his father who was as black as pitch around the age of two with a mother who was white as milk. '' He said it in his book Dreams from My Father''. I only said this to emphasize a point,that the only thing black about Obama, that represent the experiences of Black Americans is his very light brown skin inside he is just as white as he described his mother,'' as white as milk'' he said in his book. This is what the bandwagon of about this is what is so palatable about Obama for white people.
African Americans does not know any of these facts they just see a light brown man that's highly educated and has studied Martin Luther King's rhythm and speech patterns. I have nothing against him how could I? He is very accomplished educated and politically astute individual but he is a first-generation American that is replacing the Clintons, when two years ago that same 80% of African-American that are supporting Obama was wishing that Hillary Clinton would run for president so they could bring back the Clinton years. That is defined as gullibility . I don't mind you voting for Obama but I do mind when you kick the Clintons to the curb. Just for your information I am an American Negro you can very easily distinguish me from African-Americans by my experiences as a decendant of ancestor who experienced 400 years of slavery and a 120 years of Jim Crow and segregation. I know a cross dresser when I see one when I see one.
They were talking about the possibility of back lash on NPR today, about a "people" seeing someone as a "sellout" and how complicated it is and becomes.
This is exactly what you are saying Nivamel. If I had not hard that show, I would have not understood your point.
Do you think that prevails? or is it a minority? and in time will it grow or subside?
Just trying to read some of this...have been involved with the plight of a good friend from Denver, taking her adult daughter to Mayo, with snow problems in Chicago.
Here's my comments:
"Rachael Maddow is perfect for Patsi!"
No, no, no. I am far more Maxine Waters than Rachael Maddow. At least the Rachael that now wants to stay at MSNBC. All you need to know about my personality is that as a 16 year old high school cheerleader I ran on court and punched out the opposing basketball player who had kicked one of our players in the stomach when he fell down.
So when "dogs eye" accused me of flame throwing she was dead wrong. I am a punch thrower. If you kick someone I like, I will throw a punch.
And since this morning, when all I posted was information about Joe Lieberman losing his superdelagate status, only to have a couple of posters start name calling.....unless I can stop myself, I may indeed throw a punch...
Blonde wino...
Read the link, really. These are people flying in from all over the world and its a matter of privacy. Take a few minutes and read the story.
Well, Craig, I’m right in the middle of Ohio. I and my Central Ohio relatives are big supporters of Obama. We are all white suburbanians, which should not even enter into this discussion, but I wanted that to be clear to you and the mostly Billary supporters on this blog/board.
It should be noted there is a big machine behind the Obama campaign here. The Mayor of Columbus, Mayor Michael Coleman, who is black, popular, happens to be an Obama supporter and has endorsed him, has already had some events to bring people out to show their support. I’m hoping that the largest college population in the US, Ohio State, will bring out those same young people to support Obama as well.
Having been to rallies for Kerry in ’04 on the OSU campus, I do realize there are a lot of conservatives who may go to the conservative wing of the Democratic party with McCain now the likely candidate for the R’s, and we all know who that is, don’t we? CONSERVATIVE! Anything to straddle that ole fence and win ‘um all, huh? If you look at the Obama supporters and their meet-ups (as Dean had in ’04), the Obama supporters are not all black and are not all young here in Ohio. There are many of us ole white broads and ole white men behind him as well.
Go Obama. Bring some real change to this country with sound, intelligent judgment (like Kennedy)…not tenure, and bring about real change.
I had to leave a few comments on other comments left so I'm still reading those long past.
I'm sure you saw the ones I've left and I sincerely hope that there taken for what they are. Sincere thoughts about feelings that get hurt unintentionally that may not heal if left to fester.
I don't hold no grudges and I try to be respectful to all. I would just like to see the same from everyone else like it use to be.
I don't know who said what to whom, because I don't have time to read 500 posts a day. Blogs comments can get get nasty because we say things we would never say face to face and it's hard to know when someone is joking. I like to say outrageous things here just to see if anyone actually believes me.
For the last week or so I've been giving the Hillary people a hard time. If I offended anyone, I apologize. I forgot that you are all humorless robots.
"Kero - In Ohio as well - Strickland , and Tubbs-Jones have a lot of support backing HRC. It's a toss-up."
Well, yes I know Strickland has endorced Billary, but some of his "government appointments" don't agree with him. I know first hand. Get the message? I don't believe Ted's endorsement is going to help her all that much. I love Ted Strickland. Actually, he grew up not far from where I did and he went against a classmate of mine for the US Congress at one time. My classmate, who was an R, won, sorry to say. So I know Ted Strickland well. Good man. But this time he has chosen the wrong candidate, IMO, to support!!!
"It was I who suggested (tongue in cheek -- and please do not take that the wrong way, a-p) that Brain was being questioned by the police for "embracing a youth under 16." It was a play on words, probably not really funny, but was a lot of fun to type. Like I said, we have been so miserable for years under GWB, we need to have some harmless fun."
Nivramel...
I think an interesting comparison with Obama might be Colin Powell, when his prospective presidential candidacy was hot several years back. Like Obama, he was an African-American who was not the descendant of slaves. But Powell, who was of Jamaican descent, didn't play on race keys with the public, anyway, so race truly didn't matter. He was more likely to channel Dwight D. Eisenhower than MLK on any given day.
So...the question that leads to is whether the drama of Obama being elected is more about the absolution of America's original sin -- slavery -- or if it is simply about diversity in general (a person of color being elected president). And if it is indeed more about diversity in general, then the media by going overboard on his candidacy has done a disservice to both Hillary and Bill Richardson -- whose candidacies are/were equally about diversity in our society.
The media will figure this all out after Obama is nominated, and thus give themselves permission to go negative on him. Just watch.
Chris Matthews was interviewing Tom DeLay tonight.
He asked Tom about election day in November..If you knew that by not supporting McCain, it would result in the Clintons, both of them, returning to the White House, wouldn't you vote for McCain??
Delay responded..I don't know..don't know which would be worse. Very interesting
Nash...you know, Limbaugh just needs to pound sand.
Even though I'm a Democrat, I'm damn proud of the Republican Party for nominating McCain this year. I think it gives real reason to hope for this country's future.
EVERYBODY wants change from the crap we've been putting up with!!
All you need to know about Matthews is that he INTERVIEWED DELAY. And showed it to hundreds of thousands of viewers, as it this criminal thug had something to add to our national political dialog.
Okay------ if we want to move forward and act like adults.....then just maybe this would be a good place to start.......KARO- when you are speaking of Hillary Clinton...do not call her "billary" ......because when you use that term it shows a total disrespect for the candidate.
Agreed. I will absolutely be on board with Obama if he is the nominee.
That said, I will want to know more about the people advising him. He will need the best and the brightest in the country. He can't just have a bunch of holdover LAs from his Capitol Hill staff. He needs the best.
The Washington Post's Paul Kane: "We've done a bad job of explaining this, but it is now basically mathematically impossible for either Clinton or Obama to win the nomination through the regular voting process (meaning the super-delegates decide this one, baby!).
"So, do the math. If they both have about 900 pledged delegates so far, they need to win more than 1,100 of the remaining 1,400 delegates to win the nomination through actual voting.
"Ain't gonna happen, barring a stunning scandal or some new crazy revelation. So, they'll keep fighting this thing out, each accumulating their chunk of delegates, one of them holding a slight edge and bothing finishing the voting process with 1,600 or so delegates. And then the super delegates decide this thing. That's the math." http://www.politicalwire.com/
Oh, so after watching Abrams, from last night, I now realize that the wall, behind Craig is not painted blue(or some kind of blue wall treatment), but rather a blue light.
On the way home I have to listen to Reich Wing Talk Radio. The host {will not mention name} said the only way the Repug's could be assured a victory for the Peoples House would be if there were another Terrorist Attack.
He said that this would destroy the Democrats chances of winning. I still say that we will end up in another War and Martial Law will be enacted thereby suspending the Constitution and canceling elections.
I also believe that he will use Blackwater against American Citizens without giving it a second thought.
Now if this isn't scary than I don't know what is.
I call HRD Billary because I would say that most of the people who are voting for her think they are going to also get Bill back. They probably will, but I don't believe they will be getting the "Bill" they thought they wanted. These past few weeks we have not even seen the Bill Clinton we knew. He will not be the same to me.
Just think about it, if she were not his wife she would not even be running or even be viable as a candiate right now even with her Senate seat.
The Federal Reserve Bank is moving hundreds of billions of dollars around the globe with it's monetary policy and slashing of interest rates. And that's barely making a dent in whatever it is that's going on right now. Compared to that, anything Congress/Bush can do by throwing a few hundred million or maybe even a few billion at domestic pork-barrel projects and stupid personal tax breaks is so much piss in the ocean.
Are you listening, John Maynard Keynes?
If Hillary leads 1,401 to 1,399 in regular delegates going into the convention...will Obama be willing to give up the fight for superdelegates based on the logic that "the people have spoken?"
I posted some links yesterday in response to whskyjack who thought I was mocking real evil by the names I use to describe the P and VP.
If any of you have read my blog you would know that I am very anti Bush and his minions.
I left a point by point reason as to why I call them what I do.
I do not know if any of you have looked at the links and read them or not. I know they are long lengthy reads but they spell out all the reasons for my comments about this Regime.
These are powers all despots around the World, both past and present employ to this current day.
Before the election in 2006 I did a post on the MCA of 2006 and said that the power to label anyone, including American Citizens Enemy Combatants should not be given to any President, Republican or Democrat.
This power means that you can be arrested, locked up indefinitely with no right to a lawyer or court hearing since Habeas Corpus was stripped from Our Constitution.
I also have stated that I highly doubt that he would open himself and his minions up to being held accountable using this power against him and others in his administration.
And I really would like to know if anyone here thinks he wouldn't do anything to cancel elections and hold on to power.
Anyway that's it for now. I need to catch up on those I link to, but I'll be back. It's good to see civility return.
Oh and by the way be careful when you eat at Nash's cafe, I got food poisoning last time I ate there. LOL...LOL...LOL...
See, anon....if you go back and actually READ your posts today, you will see that your pleas for civility are disingenuous. Here's my punch #1: you are far more passive aggressive than paranoid but basically a combination of both.
Some brought up this crap earlier today.....naming names (and we know who named the names and started the hand-wringing with one hand while slapping with the other)...here's my take some personalities, though I won't be crude enough to name the names:
Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Behavior or a fantasy of grandiosity, a lack of empathy, a need to be admired by others, an inability to see the viewpoints of others, and hypersensitive to the opinions of others.
Oh, and if those who started this in the a.m., I say: if you can't take a punch, stay out of the bowl.
By the way, Sheila reminds people that she was "an original" on Craig's blog. So was I. BFD on both counts.
McCain has stopped playing John Mellencamp songs at his rally. Mellencamp said that he was a supporter of Edwards who recently dropped out of the race.
Dean will let Florida and Michigan delegates in and superdelegates will vote for -HRC.
Hispanics in Texas, Hillary support in Ohio and working class people in Penn who are more mainstream than Obama endorsements seem unlikely to shift in the next month. She wins every debate, doesn't rely on the anti-war pandering to hold up Obama's central badge courage named Iraq and even has Republicans admitting she is the least offensive Democrat based on her husband's reaching out to Republicans in Congress. Until the primary of course, Republicans will focus their attack on downing their tougher opponent who commands large Blue States, not Red State caucuses.
Our Allies, which Obama admits are important when "talking" to our enemies, are quite upset over events in Iran. France is establishing a base in the Gulf as Sakorzy is trying hard to counter Syrian meddling in Lebanon. England is reacting to the Bishop of Canterberry's hailing of coming English Sharia law and the UN is now realizing the Arab Charter calls for the end of Israel. Ooopss. The West is not in sink with Obama and largely supports Hillary (some in Germany hail Obama). As the election approaches, global events will prove stark contrast to Obama's foreign policy judgment. If Obama moves to center later his credibility wil be an even bigger issue than it is now. Jews, Hispanics, Asians, White women, Older Americans, Independents who respect McCain but are more Liberal, Democrats who liked Bill, are a hard block to ignore. These groups are particularly aware of the media slant, the campaign run by Obama and the vagueness of his judgment and record. Time may prove to be a curse as Obama gets more vetted than he thinks he already has been. I posted some tough questions no one has even asked of Obama. Clinton will find the money and also the votes. Once again Obama has made a strategic blunder by claiming more delegates from Tuesday (at first) and a clear victory. He sports the momentum generated largely by media. He talks about Red State victories as being reality come November while failing to take a large State. He should have been more humble and honest and played the under dog. More and more the salesman as people actually start reading the consumer guide to political realism.
Victories coming up for Obama will once again lead the media to crown him king. Now how many times have we seen this? The Clintons will put the full court press on in the big States. Rezko trial starts soon. Jolie visits Patraeous, Iran starts high speed centrifuges, Africa boils.
I know no one here but , Patsi, wow looks like you nailed that !
Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Behavior or a fantasy of grandiosity, a lack of empathy, a need to be admired by others, an inability to see the viewpoints of others, and hypersensitive to the opinions of others.
Christ. Here we go again. Cue the 8th Grade food fight.
C'mon folks...it was just starting to get INTERESTING again before someone turned it into another blog-navel-gazing exercise.
Let's move on from all the personality-driven crapola. We're all adults here. Let's act like adults.
Think John Updike or John Cheever millieau...but instead of martini glasses, we have computer keyboards. Let's just not throw them at each other. Please.
Okay...can someone please explain to me why conservatives don't like John McCain? No, SERIOUSLY, I just don't get what the deal is with him! I mean, really...he's a veteran, was a POW, is a Republican (it CAN'T just be that tax cut issue, can it...???)...WHY don't they like him??? He seems right up their alley, I just don't get it!!!
(I've been losing sleep over this [ya rly], can anyone help me here???)
Anon,
Who brought down the WTC? Has Patraeous betrayed us? What racist view similar to Hilter has Bush or Cheney written or stated?
Is FARC, HIzb"allah or Hamas a terrorist group? Does Israel run US foreign policy? Did you support removing the Taliban from Afghanistan? Was there genocide in Darfur? Do you think Iran wants the bomb to protect itself against the evil US? Would you be happy with Saddam in power and building WMD? Do you think terrorists are entitled to the full legal rights of US citizens? Are you against open markets or protectionist policies? Do you think that anyone entering the US legally or not should be allowed to become US citizens?
I think the answers you give will most likely insult rational, moderate Democrats and Republicans, so the "what me?": line of defense isn't working. If you want to explore where the Nazis left their ideological mark, Google the Grand Mufti and see where Saddam fits in.
Sorry for the diversion, but your underlyng mindset is important as you always add "God Bless" at the end of your often radical spins. Which God might that be? Seems a bit sarcastic, me thinks.
Yes Bowmanc, the people supporting BO seem like kids at a sporting event with him as their cheerleader. He does make a good cheerleader but we had a cheerleader for the last 8 years and it didn't turn out so well.
Obama does well with his cheerleading rallies and not as well up face to face with Clinton. That is why he doesn't want too many more debates. He is smart to avoid the debates.
If he is the chosen Democratic candidate, the debates will be far more challenging than they have been with a members of his own party.
Julia: The "conservatives" who don't like McCain are not the rank and file. It's the right wing media pundits, the professional hardcore ideologues, like Limbaugh and Coulter. McCain is not a true believer; he's a practical politician willing to cut a deal with Kennedy, if that's what it takes. They hate that.
You ask a lot of questions and I will reply as soon as I can gather the information necessary to provide you with them. It may be in a day or two put you will get a reply.
Thanks, Kathy...but I still don't get it. To me (a Kucinich supporter before he dropped out of the race, so basically, a pinko commie liberal pussy), McCain is THE go-to guy for the Republicans. He's likeable (great sense of humor, hell, *I* like him), he's got war cred, he's got experience cred, he's got social conservative cred...and he's got a chance to pull it out of his @$$ and actually win an election! I am literally BAFFLED that so many conservatives dump on him so, even for the reasons you listed. He seems like a smart guy (my poor old daddy's rolling his grave right now, with me typing this) who knows his shit from his Shinola...why aren't they sticking to him like glue on a cheap-ass weave???
Those that believe it is most inportant to inspire. 49%
And those that believe it is most important to be tested 49%
I think this may be a religious type divide. An empirical argument is useless if you are trying to convert the other side. Convertions occur only from a leap of faith.
Now that I've effectively insulted both sides, and really pissed off those who's support is completely rational.......
Julia-
McCain is also weak on 2nd Amendment issues...wants to ban gun shows. He also believes that humans contribute to global warming. Apparently the true conservative doesn't..
~g
McCain is a strong conservative by any rational measure.
But the Republicans have gone so far to the right they've got a lot of irrational extremist nutjobs (like Coulter) running around saying incredibly stupid things. And the cable shows put her on as if she were articulating a responsible point of view.
The whole enviornmental issue. The argument among conservatives seems to be "OMG GOD GAVE US THE EARTH TO DO WITH AS WE SEE FIT AND WE ARE IN CHARGE OF IT!!!11ONE". Okay, but nowhere in the Bible does it say, "Thou shalt turn My Creation into thine own personal toilet." Why is the enviornmental issue such a touchy subject, because it's generally been a big fat lefty issue lo these many years?
Kathy-
I think that McCain will play to the actual conservatives and as much as he can stomach to the extreme right wing, and then, if he's elected, will do what he has always done...exactly what he thinks is best for the country. He may get elected, but I'm betting it will only be for 4 years.
~g
A few months back, I heard a very interesting piece on NPR. It was about how the tobacco lobby felt very threated, mainly due to second hand smoke concerns as well as general societal disgust. They needed to come up with research to dispute the second had stuff- but in order to do so, they felt it would be more effective to link it with another concern, so it would not look like an orphan issue.
SO, that is why the campaign to discredit global warming started- I'll try to find a link about it.
Big news day and I sit huddled around a hurricane oil lamp in the dark...power just returned and it's warm again in here...I heard Romney suspended...then all went dark but now there is light! St. Huckabee musta heard my prayer!
"ya know it seems there are two types of democrats
Those that believe it is most inportant to inspire. 49%
And those that believe it is most important to be tested 49%"
Of course, Jack...the next and maybe buggest question is this: who are the democrats and who are the indies who voted for Nader or...earlier, Ronnie Raygun. Sort of like when the fundies took over the Republican party.
I mostly think of Independents as those who will swing Republican or Democrat depending on their mood. The wing nuts in both parties are a different animal.
I think we have seen a shift of independents into the Democratic party and a shift out of the Republican party to Independent. such a shift will ,by definition , make all more conservative.
ALL power was out for miles, extending to surrounding towns, so I just now returned from the supermarket. Dinner was a PBJ by light of the hurricane lamp.
Now I'm starvin'.
When Craig was injured, some of us posted ideas and thoughts , and I recommended a folding cane, like I use all the time. Craig's cane looks exactly like mine. I got rid of a bunch of my homemade walking sticks and am now down to about a dozen.
Some say I look like Charles Grodin, TT...but with a shaved beard and totally shaved head now, I look like Uncle Fester.
Here's my photo right after I found out Kucinich dropped out:
This is an exact quote of what Clinton said in a recent speech, regarding troops in Iraq. "I want them coming home within sixty days of my taking office."
Many, if not most most, would interpret this to mean that ALL the troops would be home within 60 days.
But if your "parse" it, that's not what she said. What it means is that she could BEGIN to bring them home within 60 days, a few each month, and claim she was honoring her commitment. In fact, what it really says is that she "WANTS" this to happen, not that she WILL do it.
She could leave the vast majority in Iraq all the way through the 2012 election, lest she be accused by the GOP of "losing" Iraq.
Bill & Hill manipulate language to mislead. It's the old "slick Willy" behavior, that never seems to go away.
And THAT'S why prgressives are voting for Obama. With Obama there is a CHANCE that things will change. With the Clintons, you KNOW what you are going to get: essentially conservative policies with a few tiny symbolic gestures in a progressive direction like parsley on a platter of raw meat.
It could be worse. I had to use a "walker" once. I felt the cold breath of the angel of death on th back of my neck. (But he turned out to be a lousy chess player.)
Obama has stated that it is in the "national interest" of the United States to prevent Teheran from turning Iraq into "another Afghanistan." He is also on record as saying that a residual U.S. troop presence in Iraq will send a "clear message" to countries like Iran. Set against the background of these statements, his current insistence that he will contain Iran entirely through diplomacy seems somewhat tortuous. Two Pinocchios for him.
On the menu this AM at Crawfordslist I-90 Truck Stop and Topless Bar (open 24/7/365):
The "Super-Delegate" special: 3 eggs, any style, sausage, bacon, home fies, whole wheat toast dripping with real butter, Trappist Monastery blueberry preserves (a prayer spoken over every jar) and a "bottomless" cup of Starbucks coffee.
Actually, the cup isn't bottomless, but our waitstaff is. Please tip them generously as they are of the "millenial" generation and face a life of low-paying jobs with no benefits. Either that or law school. In any case, it's not a life that offers much hope.
Have a 16 oz Starbucks. Maybe that will get your neurons firing properly. And please pass the (real 100% made in Maine by Norman Rockwell characters) maple syrup.
I don't get it: what's the "great wind of change" that Obama is going to bring to America? The change that Marion Barry didn't bring to D.C.; the change that Dinkins didn't bring to NY, but did DO to NY'ers? The change that Ray Nagin didn't bring to New Orleans?And don't forget the "change" which that guy in L.A. brought, because we don't even remember his name--just the riots. Evoking the distinguished names of R.F.K. and Dr. King only takes us back, not forward. Think for a second: who REALLY brought race into the campaign? Bill Clinton was "the first black president." Let's elect the first female black president.
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Woot!! Mitt don't go....
Posted by: zoey
| February 7, 2008 1:03 PM
Craig,
Does your cane fold up like mine does? Mine also has wild flowers all over it...no granny cane for me.
Posted by: zoey
| February 7, 2008 1:08 PM
Great graphic from the NYtimes. gives the details of their delegate allocation, also has the future contests and delegates at stake.
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/delegates/index.html
last contest
June 7, Puerto Rico -------63 delegates
Se habla that there Espanol, mighty fine place y'all have down here.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | February 7, 2008 1:10 PM
ah Craig....
great video.....
and as usual..... your sense of humor is a breath of fresh air.....
and as usual..... I bet your analysis is spot on.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | February 7, 2008 1:26 PM
Good luck with your cane
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 1:29 PM
Drat, streaming video - can't see it.
But great question, Craig -
To return to VaD's queston from the last thread about who Hannity will attack now - for god's sake, he's the engineer of The Stop HIllary Express.
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 1:31 PM
That election guide is interesting when you look at the maps and see who one where.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 1:35 PM
I thought Hannity would switch to Obama for new material.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 1:36 PM
The small government conservative problem for McCain.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/26938.html
Could Ron Paul attract these conservatives as an independent in large enough numbers to make an impact?
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | February 7, 2008 1:37 PM
jamie ----------
I am being cryptic because of earlier blog instructions as to what and what not to post (another clue).
Posted by: GORDO | February 7, 2008 1:40 PM
I have to admit that I find the hoopla about McCain at CPAC hilarious - he snubbed them last year, has walked into the Repug nomnation without them this year, has been pilloried by their loudest mouthpieces for the past year and at the convention this year, and will address them after the good little conservatives have been told that they can't express themselves as they wish when he speaks. (How Bushian).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/07/live-cpac-updates-romney_n_85505.html
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 1:41 PM
Gordo,
It can't be very earth shaking or important if you can't post a link. There is no restriction on that.
Posted by: Jamie | February 7, 2008 1:46 PM
Pogo
I just read your link
LOL
I love this quote
---then proceeded to ask what time GOP front-runner John McCain was going to speak today. "Oh good," he said to the response -- answer: 3 p.m. today-- "I hope they boo him out of the room."
""No, no no no no" came the reply from the person registering him. "We've been instructed to tell participants not to boo McCain."---------
Gotta love it
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | February 7, 2008 1:48 PM
What is behind Mitt's decision to call it quits. Could he being eying the VP slot. Could he and McCain get along well enough. Something seems fishey about this.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 1:53 PM
Jack, happy to provide a little humor. BTW, you might call RonPaul and suggest a 3rd party run, although there are times I think he'd draw more Ds who want out of Iraq than he would Rs who want a little government.
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 1:53 PM
Did I hear the CPAC audience hiss McCain's name after Mitt's speech.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 1:55 PM
jamie --------
Believe me, I WANT to post a link. But it might cause problems.
Posted by: GORDO | February 7, 2008 1:55 PM
VaD - I think Romney just sees the writing on the wall - like he said, size coes matter - and as a good businessman doesn't believe in throwing good money after bad. After Tuesday, his mountain got much higher, and even for someone with his wealth, after $25M, pouring more money into a losing effort can't be done lightly.
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 1:56 PM
I thought Huckie was a given after what has been going on but one has to wonder why Mitt called it quits. I just think there is more to this besides saving money, he got tons of it.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 1:57 PM
He did look presidental with those flags behind him.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 1:58 PM
As a businessman I agree with you it was time to quit, but it's got to be more to it.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 1:59 PM
Ah, Gordo, go ahead and post it - we're adults (in a sense). You can always post it with whatever caveats you think it needs.
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 1:59 PM
Whoever posted McCain /Romney is on the right track.
Posted by: \Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 2:00 PM
He could of cut down his costs, Huckie is running on low money. It's just interesting how all of this has come down in the last week.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 2:01 PM
Peggy Noonan?
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 2:06 PM
I stole McBush from KC - thought it was perfect.
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 2:07 PM
"Today Mitt Romney nobly stepped aside for John McCain and will become Vice presidential running mate by so doing. He has also established Iraq as the centerpiece issue for the fall Presidential election. To further this, he asked anti-McCain Republicans and conservatives to join him in unity behind front-runner John McCain.
It was a non-endorsement endorsement and accomplished four objectives:"
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2008/02/07/mccain-romney-ticket.aspx
It's a win win for Romney. If they lose he can be the heir apparent in the traditional Republican way
and if they win then there is the ChucK Norris theory of
McCain's life span.
Posted by: \Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 2:09 PM
The problem the CPAC crowd face is they don't have the feet on the ground aka votes. All they have is money. Money isn't working this year in the Republican party, look at Huckabee.
I don't see how they can set this election out they are going to have to back McCain just to maintain a bit of credibility.. Look for CPAC and McCain to kiss and make up both need each other and both are in this for practical reasons.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | February 7, 2008 2:12 PM
It could serve him well in 4 years but I think he was thinking of today! Maybe a way of sticking it to Huckie and snap the VP slot away from him.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 2:13 PM
McCain's age is a factor. He would be the first in line.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 2:14 PM
How is McCain going to get out of the spending limits imposed by campaign financing?
Posted by: \Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 2:16 PM
This could knock Obama and his movement right off the front page for a day. Also give Hillary a break also
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 2:16 PM
why not his VP. McCain forgave Bush for what he did to him in 2000. They could bury their differences. Each wants the same thing.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 2:18 PM
pogo --------
I really want all of you to have this information. It would explain so much. But I have a problem. Explaining my problem could create a problem for someone else.
Posted by: GORDO | February 7, 2008 2:19 PM
Gordo
webthings at comcast dot net
Posted by: Jamie | February 7, 2008 2:20 PM
Without Huckie in the way we may never know how Mitt would of done. It will be interesting how Hannity and crew will spin this move.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 2:20 PM
Wow - it's "chilly' today.
What are the "posting rules" here? I see many unhappy posters? please inform. Thank you
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 2:21 PM
The shuttle is go for launch! it's in the planned 9 minute hold.
Posted by: vadaryl
| February 7, 2008 2:22 PM
A woman describing herself as a Christian conservative just told Limpballs that hell would freeze over before she would vote for McCain- or Huckabee for that matter. (I'm listening to RW talk radio to get their take on the Repug race now that Romney has dropped out so that ou won't have to.)
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 2:37 PM
I'm listening to RW talk radio to get their take on the Repug race now that Romney has dropped out so that ou won't have to.)
Pogo
Thanks you so much.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 2:39 PM
See where the born again voters are leaning to. Only three candidates get double digits.
Hillary
Obama
Huckabee
http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?Page=BarnaUpdateNarrow&BarnaUpdateID=291
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 2:51 PM
Jamie,
I don't have your email or I would have written you personally. Being ignored by someone who doesn't respect you or your right to post your thoughts is, in my book, not a bad thing. Consider it an honor :)
Someone was complaining about the conduct of the Hillary supporters being too vitriolic (I think that was the word). I have thought about this and it could be true. Obama supporters should be flying HIGH.. the media coverage for him has been a virtual love fest. WIth all the attacks on Hillary, it could be a board like this is what HRC supporters need to commiserate.
Anyway, the complaints about posts by Patsi, KGC, Jamie, Lush, and myself makes me feel that I am in a group of pretty great people. I suspect I was the one most over-the-top because of what I feel were personal attacks on me by someone who does a very good job of "slash and burn" blogging. I saw that on my first day here. Of course the most mature response would be to ignore and move on.
Take care,
Tom
Posted by: EuroTom
| February 7, 2008 3:01 PM
ET
webthings at comcast dot net
I'm sure you can figure out the at and dot part. :-)
Posted by: Jamie | February 7, 2008 3:12 PM
From WIlliam Kristol's column... an interesting comment made by Shirley Chisholm when running for President:
"Another way of looking at electability is to wonder whether it’s more of a disadvantage to be black or to be female. Shirley Chisholm, the black woman who ran for president in 1972, argued in effect that there were more sexists than racists in America. “I met more discrimination as a woman, than for being black,” Ms. Chisholm once said.
And recent polling and psychology research seem to back that up."
I wonder if Carol Moseley Braun would concur. When she dropped out of the Presidential race in 2004, she endorsed Howard Dean. Has anyone ever seen any comments from her regarding her role as a black woman seeking the Presidency?
Posted by: EuroTom
| February 7, 2008 3:15 PM
John McCain is no George W. Bush.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 3:16 PM
EuroTom.....
I hope you don't really leave this blog.... I really have enjoyed your posts.....
although I will admit I don't read much of what's taking place here at night anymore..... I am a morning person and am rarely here at night.....
and as a person working at what I love and have a passion for.... I no don't want to take the time to read so many posts.....
vadaryl.... I agree with you that Romney's choice of dropping out now is an interesting one..... I guess we'll just have to wait and see what develops....
GO DEMOCRATS!
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | February 7, 2008 3:16 PM
John McCain earned the nomination - it wasn't just handed over to him.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 3:17 PM
To my democratic colleagues… we may be in for a phenomenal letdown at the end of this primary nomination process that has been energizing, exciting, and hopeful as we look to move past the Bush debacle of the past 8 years. I have this sinking feeling in my gut because what I see playing out is an energized democratic electorate that will most likely be split right down the middle… in two separate camps clinging to both of their powerful leaders. If Hillary and Barack do not play this right, the winner of the nomination may well be given the chance to be the loser in the general election because the “losing” camp may not come out to support our candidate in the general election. Example… Barack comes out saying that we cannot afford to return to the President Clinton years of 1992-2000 where Bill hurt the Democratic Party. Hillary’s campaign is allegedly marginalizing Barack. Barack says that Hillary will polarize the electorate. Hillary says that Barack does not have the experience. Then there’s the common judgment that we all know…. Barack is inspirational and idealistic and Hillary is realistic and ready to deliver (which I believe is a true assessment… I want both) Hillary wants to debate and Barack does not. Hillary wants to include Florida and Michigan delegates and Barack does not. Hillary gets the big states and Barack gets the small states. Hillary and Barack have distinct age, gender, and ethnic electorates that are solidly behind each of them. The pledged delegates will be statistically even and it will come down to two camps of Super Delegates.
We are heading for two camps and if Barack and Hillary do not find a way to bring the two camps together at whatever point we can have a nominee… we are toast in November as these two distinct camps will not fully support the other because of the points I’ve made. The only way I see this working out is that Barack and Hillary focus their campaign comments on the strong differences with the Republican Party and the President Bush ideology for the remainder of this campaign. The more they focus on each other’s differences… the gulf between the two camps will only become further apart. And if it goes to the credentials committee in the DNC, forget it… it will be a nightmare scenario.
Posted by: Indy Man
| February 7, 2008 3:19 PM
Boy you have a big foot. haha
Hope you are doing well. I just saw your you tube for the first time, that is neat.
As an OHIO Native, I can tell you, Hillary will take the state. She already has all the big democrats on her side and Stickland.
I think she will take Texas also.
Boy I sure hope Howard Dean lets Fl. and Mich in. Then she should be over the top.
It will be interesting.
Go Hillary!
Posted by: Carol | February 7, 2008 3:20 PM
Warren....
exactly!
which is why I think those that think McCain will be an easy opponent in the general election come this November are in denial....
GO DEMOCRATS!
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | February 7, 2008 3:22 PM
RR:
They are in a state of denial...sound familiar.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 3:24 PM
ET, actually that Chisholm quote was from Nicholas Kristoff's column today.
OK, someone needs to send this to Howie Dean to begin prepping the attack against John McCain - thanks to Ann Coulter (yeah, I know, but she just hates McCain)
http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=231
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 3:24 PM
warren - that is exactly right. BTW, just curious - where's you go to law school? where do you practice- and doing what?
my e-mail is larry dot chafin at steptoe hyphen johnson dot com if you'd rather not post that stuff on the web.
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 3:29 PM
I certainly would not want to cite to Ann Coulture in making an argument against McCain. He could take the high road in a heartbeat.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 3:29 PM
warren....
yes it does.....
all those Obama supporters who think he is a religion instead of just a flawed human being (as we all are) running for president.....
I agree with a lot of the stuff leveled at Clinton..... she does represent the Democratic Establishment and all it's big donors....
so what....
GO DEMOCRATS!
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | February 7, 2008 3:35 PM
IndyMan - you could be right but I don't think so, particularly now that McCain is going to be the Repug to vote AGAINST even if you aren't crazy about HIllary or Obama. Just about every Dem here has indicated their intent to vote for the Dem nominee - enough Iraq, enough Bush tax cut nonsense, and enough bogus war on terror unites most dems against anyone who would continue the Bush policies.
McCain being booed at CPAC while talking about his immigration stance.
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 3:36 PM
I wouldn't quote her - I have to spit when I mention her name - I'd just steal her research on him, which I'm betting will get very good in the next few months. I believe in learning from the enemy.
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 3:38 PM
after John McCain loses in November maybe he can get a correspondents job on A Daily Show, he sure is adept at irony.
unbelieveable that people are applauding that nonsense
A vote for McCain is a vote for four more years of George W Bush
Posted by: ran | February 7, 2008 3:43 PM
I am an attorney at law and was at jury duty today.
I am not saying anything that isn't already out there.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 3:45 PM
warren
pogo was being friendly and having a lawyer to lawyer chat and just wanted to exchange law data and offered the option of doing it off line.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 3:47 PM
Pogo... I hope you are right!!! I will vote for the dem ticket no matter who the nominee for the reasons you mentioned. I just feel that the line being drawn between the Barack and Hillary camps is being drawn with an "age, gender and race permanent marker" by our own party faithful... and supported by the media biases. McCain, the Repug, will still be tough to beat if we lose any part of our demo colleagues who may be so invested into their own historic candidate.
Posted by: Indy Man
| February 7, 2008 3:47 PM
A vote for McCain is a vote for four more years of George W Bush
Posted by: ran
Bush's third term
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 3:48 PM
Ohhhhhhhh...I love the video clip of Craig--lookin' all casual and comfy!!
You know what, did anyone see Craig last night on Abrams? I loved the color of the wall behind him!!
Craig, was that in your home? If so, what is the color of that paint???
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| February 7, 2008 3:49 PM
Ran:
You need to move on from George W. Bush - everyone else has.
The country is moving beyond Bush - we just need to make sure he doesn't wreak anymore some havoc before he goes back to Texas.
Btw, Hillary would have a tough time winning TX in the general with the Bush family backing him. TX is Bush country my friends. And McCain's view on immigration does not drive Latinos over to the Dems
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 3:52 PM
warren: unless Craig tells me not to I will post what I like thsnk you
Posted by: ran | February 7, 2008 3:53 PM
I just have to repost this comment I wrote earlier in the day. Please note this is a stab at humor, ok???
Oh whine whine whine... I'm offended again, so I think I will leave in a huff and do a little boo-hoo-hoo while I'm at it. pleeezzzzz .... Personally could I recommend we stop playing the victim role and LIGHTEN UP? Oprah would NOT be pleased at our dysfunctionality. How about we all electronically hold hands, swaying back and forth, singing "Kumbaya"? We could then do a special rendition of "We are the World", and end it all with a tongue-in-cheek "To All the Girls I loved Before" as our special tribute to Bill Clinton.
And my very favourite recommendation... how about we stop with the "whine, whine, whine" and get into the "wine, wine, wine"...
I'll drink red.
Sante'
I think I'm gonna watch The Doris Day Show, That Girl and Mary Tyler Moore. It was a "kinder, gentler" period then.
Many kisses and hugs,
MEEEEEEEEEEEE
If this doesn't work, we could always create an online 12-step dysfunctional bloggers support group.
"I admit i am a chronic internet blog user and my life has become unmanageable"
"I believe that a power blogger greater than me can restore me to so-so sanity. "....
May the BLOG be with you!!
Posted by: EuroTom | February 7, 2008 10:40 AM
Posted by: EuroTom
| February 7, 2008 3:55 PM
Thanks KGC. Got it!
I am just not so sure what "law data" is?
Some things still confound me on this blog.
What is ROFL and some of the others? I understand the IMHO and smiley faces ; )
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 3:55 PM
Warren
I don't think people have moved on from George Bush and I think it is very important to hang his policies are the neck of the gop contenders.
Why should McCain get a pass from anyting Bush has done. He may have spoken out as he did on torture but in the end he voted with Bush, He said the Bush plan wouldn't work in Iraw but did nothing to stop it.
The reason the electorate is so energized is their hatred of Bush. We do not want to take that away.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 3:55 PM
Warren...
I disagree that everyone has moved on from Bush....
I think the Dem nominee.... no matter who it finally is..... needs to hammer every day and in every way that to vote Republican is to vote for continuation of Bush's policies....
I do think you have a point about Texas....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | February 7, 2008 3:56 PM
EuroTom
First of all, thanks for mentioning my name...LOL!!! IMHO, I should be your favorite person here, as I am a true Christine Lavin fan!!!
Now, I would also like to say that(IMHO)everyone needs to stop pouting and act like adults!!
EuroTom, you need to keep posting!!
"Lurkers for a More Civil Crawfordlist"...you need to disband and get back here!! BHO needs you!!!
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Posted by: LushIsLinda
| February 7, 2008 3:57 PM
ROFL = Roll on the Floor Laughing
ROTFLMAO = Roll on the Floor Laughing my ass off.
ROTFLMFAO = "Roll on the Floor Laughing my FAT ass off.
TTFN = "Ta Ta for now"
oic = "oh, I see"
PHRC2009 = "President Hillary Rodham Clinton 2009... "
Posted by: EuroTom
| February 7, 2008 3:58 PM
Ran: I believe you should post whatever you want - no matter what Craig or I tell you.
But I must say I would take Craig's words under consideration if he asked politely.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 3:59 PM
"am just not so sure what "law data" is"
warren
is this case where you went to law school and where you practice.
ROFL roll on floor laughing
ROFLMAO roll on floor laugh my as- off
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 3:59 PM
McCain: Economy - NO
More wars - YES
ohhh boy..makes ya wanna mark that X beside his name dont it?
Posted by: tylenol
| February 7, 2008 4:00 PM
New Mexico
99% Reporting
Hillary +1,123
Source: CNN Election Center
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 4:01 PM
But I must say I would take Craig's words under consideration if he asked politely
what are you talking about??
Posted by: ran | February 7, 2008 4:01 PM
Thanks EuroTom it looks like you got the biggest list.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 4:04 PM
Ran
I think warren was just agreeing with you that only Craig could ask someone not to post something
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 4:05 PM
warren - I know you're an attorney - as am I. Some folks don't like to put too much ID on the web, understandably. Just trying to be neighborly, particularly after giving you hell about your lengthy post Tuesday.
Lots of folks think McCain is just like Bush on the issues many dems care a lot about, and he's already changing his rhetoric to get Bush voters. We won't have to call him Bush to energize TX repugs to vote for him - they aren't listening to us anyway. Steal some latino Texans and who knows, maybe the deeply red TX will turn a slightly purple shade for a change.
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 4:05 PM
And I do thank everyone else as well. I was going crazy trying to figure those letters out.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 4:07 PM
Thanks Warren... I got a big list and I know how to use it.
Posted by: EuroTom
| February 7, 2008 4:09 PM
nam myoho renge kyo
Posted by: EuroTom
| February 7, 2008 4:13 PM
Craig -- Like the videos much better than the hit-and-run blog posts. It gives you much more time to flesh out your points. Hope we can have more of them...
Posted by: spike
| February 7, 2008 4:13 PM
Pogo:
I don't like to put too much personal info on the web. But we'll see after all the smoke clears.
I think we shoud be judged on our posts rather than our bios.
And I do not take offense to the critiques of my posts. If you go somewhere looking to pick a fight - you can't take offense when they fight back.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 4:14 PM
EuroTom.....
and may the BLOG be with you....
Amen!.... let us pray and break bread together..... ;)
Pogo..... Rick has had some interesting discussions with Texans in bars over the last few years..... when they find out he's a northeastener..... it must be his accent..... they frequently start a conversation on politics..... and a lot of them have told him that they hate the Bushes.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | February 7, 2008 4:16 PM
Craig - hate the videos - can't watch them from my desk 8-)
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 4:17 PM
warren, like I said my email addy is larry dot chafin at steptoe hyphen johnson dot com. feel free to flip me an e-mail - I've gotten several e-mails from a few of the folks here and enjoy the off line communications.
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 4:20 PM
renee, I know a few folks in Texas as well - psychology types up in the Denton area - none of them can stand Bush, but then again we are very sympatico politically.
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 4:22 PM
Pogo:
Are you coming on to me? I have heard scary stories about these chat rooms on Fox News.
And is it illegal to just put a real email address on here or do you always spell it out.
KGC:
Do I have anything to worry about with these so-called "off line communications?"
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 4:24 PM
Warren, got a pic?
Posted by: EuroTom
| February 7, 2008 4:25 PM
KGC:
Do I have anything to worry about with these so-called "off line communications?"
Posted by: warren
not with pogo ..
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 4:28 PM
warren
http://www.gaarde.org/acronyms/
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Posted by: LushIsLinda
| February 7, 2008 4:28 PM
Looks like Julie Mason is in the tank for Hillary and she's on MSNBC. Of course this is based purely on speculation but she is certainly not part of the Obama love fest.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 4:28 PM
Hillary Live On MSNBC
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 4:29 PM
No pics.
Trust me, I'm good looking.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 4:30 PM
I'm off to bed... goodnight.
Posted by: EuroTom
| February 7, 2008 4:31 PM
no, warren, not coming on to you - Mrs. Pogo wouldn't approve. It's certainly not illegal to put up an e-mail address, but we spell the e-mail addresses out to avoid having them picked up by spammers - a good practice BTW no matter what non secure site you're on. No, lawyers are just few and far between here, and when I run across one I sort of try and network - collegiality and all that. (Notice - I didn't ask for a pic). LOL
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 4:31 PM
The Tweety Effect Lives! Women's Group Using Chris Matthews' Buffoonery As Fundraising Tool For Hillary
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/
Posted by: GORDO | February 7, 2008 4:35 PM
Jamie- You better RSVP for Key Arena tomorrow. It gonna be a good one. :-)
Posted by: Rezdog
| February 7, 2008 4:38 PM
GORDO:
Despite some heated insensitive remarks, for which he apologized for, Chris Matthews is one of the top political analysts going.
He even has a Sunday show...even if its only a half hour.
Demonizing him does Clinton no favors.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 4:40 PM
Pogo - no offense and give my regards to Mrs. Pogo.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 4:41 PM
I think Ohioans would like to see debates in this state.
Do you think Obama can turn them down without looking like his is afraid? Or- without that choice being used against him?
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/15241046/detail.html
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 4:41 PM
Debates offer free TV coverage, maybe that's why HRC wants so many.
Financially they are a bargain.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 4:46 PM
Obama can certainly turn down the debates. Even Wolf on CNN said since when does a frontrunner ask for debates.
Although people will of course try to use it against them but it is just another example of the Clinton campaign attempting to change the rules to suit them.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 4:46 PM
Matthews is one of the top political analysts going.
warren
I could not disagree more. Even when he doesn't have a slobbering man crush, he is very shallow.
He rarely has an original thought and never follows through on questions, And he has a center right bias.
His time in the Peace Corp etc was his rebellion and now he is at home as a Bob Corker Republican.
Hardball that's a joke -more like nerfball or tball or some other game when you don't keep score.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 4:47 PM
Personally I prefer to see the candidates unscripted, as in debates, (okay less scripted) -you never know what you might learn about them.
Keeps this whole process more fresh.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 4:49 PM
I agree that conventional wisdom would have him turning down the debates. But I think he will change his mind,.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 4:50 PM
unlikely_burrito: I suspect about half of the voters would view it as being pragmatic while another about half would view it as dodging. Those folks don't really matter though since they have already made a decision on who they will support.
I don't think it would look good for Obama with the undecided folks but it probably wouldn't be enough to sway many voters. However if he does agree to a debate and doesn't do well or does poorly that could have a real negative effect.
Posted by: ran | February 7, 2008 4:52 PM
Wolf just said that Obama has agreed to two debates, one in Ohio..
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 4:53 PM
Someone should ask Obama how often he would like to debate McCain?
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 4:56 PM
I would love to see a few more 1 on 1 debates. Keep the candidates busy with the issues, keep their constituency informed and practice for upcoming debates with McCain.
Posted by: ran | February 7, 2008 4:57 PM
I think HRC wants the debates because Barack gets bigger crowds than her.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 4:57 PM
I think McCain would be horrible against either Democratic candidate in debates.
The Democrats are smart and articulate..Advantage Democrats..
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 4:59 PM
KGC:
I prefer Charlie Rose myself - but Matthews lives and breathes politics. If you discount his opinion you are missing a lot.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 4:59 PM
Ohio is in the pits financially. I think that Ohioans are hopeful these debates will happen for the revenue produced by them.
Ohio would like some of the political spotlight.......with its 141 delegates.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 4:59 PM
McCain is one scary dude in debates, they better make sure he is not packing any heat.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 5:01 PM
warren, no offense taken.
Matthews' problem is that he is in deep hate mode for all thinkgs Clinton, and has been for months. I hear he's less biased on his Sunday show, shich I have watched about twice, but Hardball just gives him a form to attack Bill and Hillary, which he does regularly. I watch occasionally, but have cut back and tend to watch CNN during that hour anymore. Biggest problem with him is his refusal to let guests finish a sentence or explain a comment.
I guess on debates, if a frontrunner thought they made him or her look better against their competition, they would ask for them. Hillary does, Obama doesn't. Best I can tell, neither is the frontrunner at this point, so either can ask for them and either can accept or decline. Of course declining will be used against Obama by the Clinton campaign - this is presidential politics, not a friendly game of penny-ante poker - and if Obama's campaign feels thy'll be hurt less by dealing with the fallout from the denial than by the debates, they'll keep refusing to participate. My question becomes why not, although I've heard the Obama campaign's answers to that question, so I don't expect to see the debates occur. Our loss.
Well, all - off to get the kid, basketball, the routine.later.
Posted by: pogo
| February 7, 2008 5:02 PM
I agree there should be some more debates - so we can hold these candidates up against McCain if we were not already.
But too many debates is not in the Democrats' interest.
More debates give BOTH candidates opportunities to make mistakes that can be used against either in the general.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:02 PM
Barack may get bigger crowds but Hillary gets more delegates and more votes.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 5:02 PM
Craig, you should do the videos more often. Also, the shirt (or was it your bathrobe?) you have on in the current one is very Kung Fu Master. Love it.
Posted by: Julia | February 7, 2008 5:04 PM
without debates - the late shows will suffer
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 5:05 PM
KGC:
Obama should do fine in the debates against McCain. He is not the same type of trickster as Hillary - you saw how he came off badly attacking Romney with some past quote. Plus, Obama will draw such a contrast on stage with McCain - he won't have to say much.
And aren't you Hillary people always telling me that Barack is all talk!
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:06 PM
"More debates give BOTH candidates opportunities to make mistakes that can be used against either in the general"
That's a good point. But both candidates have demonstrated they can debate without rancor. They can have issue focused debates.
I think the choice of moderator is important. I think Senator Clinton made a mistake in agreeing to the Fox debate after the boycott. They should just include nbc in the boycott.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 5:06 PM
Warren,
Not to pile on you or Chris Matthews, but I'm with KGC on this one. If Chris is among the best analysts going, we have a greater dearth of good analysts than qualified candidates.
I think he was pretty good as a columnist, way back when, but find he has very little credibility in his current role. He's a little better on his weekend show, but his biases tend to creep in there too.
I read what I guess was a transcript of his recent apologia after saying Hillary was only a candidate because her husband got caught fooling around, and found his excuse of shooting from the hip to be a monumental cop-out. He said what he believed, and he got called on it.
The one thing that might make Matthews look good to viewers is his position in the lineup before and after Tucker Carlson.
Posted by: EdVB
| February 7, 2008 5:06 PM
warren -------
There is much, much more to the Matthews "story". He is not just a political analyst. I can't say more. (It's part of the problem.)
Posted by: GORDO | February 7, 2008 5:08 PM
Interesting political demographic broken down for any state
example below OHIO: unemployed , polluted, mostly white, old
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2008/state.php?state=OH
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 5:12 PM
Pogo:
I do not think Matthew's comments about Hillary are based on a hatred of all things Clinton. I think he call's it like he see's it - but that is not to say he does not take sides.
I think you just bristle at any negative criticism of Hillary Clinton - as a candidate NOT as a person - and choose to dismiss it and even change the channel.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:13 PM
warren
I am sure Obama would be happy to debate McCain every day of the week so why not Clinton.
One thing to think about without debates and with the Republican side settled the media will focus on Obama in an uncontrolled way. They might be better off having the debates and debates as the focus.
How many times can they write about his stump speech.? I was with Obama supporters on election night and even they were saying --another speech please.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 7, 2008 5:13 PM
unlikely_burrito:
I am sure Ohioans will appreciate your description of them:
"unemployed , polluted, mostly white, old"
I guess your point it that this is made for Clinton.
Well Obama is enlisting Americans who are ready for a change in Washington - and they live all over the country.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:17 PM
$$$$$Money is very important in political races. 35,000 people contributed to Hillary in the last day. I am one of them..But, money isn't the most important thing. Just ask President Romney about that.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 5:17 PM
KGC:
Obama has handled the media just fine during this campaign. And I would be more afraid of attacks from Bill Clinton than those from McCain. If Obama could survive that - he should be good in the general election campaign.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:20 PM
No kidding about the stump speeches getting stale. That is a huge problem when your message pretty simple to begin with.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 5:21 PM
obama's speeches are wearing kid of thin'' qoute'' a house divded cannot stand''' i guess they have plagarized all the1960;s speeches '''' now 1860;s
Posted by: larry | February 7, 2008 5:23 PM
Live debates are a way for Hillary to get past the anti-Hillary "Gatekeepers" in the MSM. No editing!
Posted by: GORDO | February 7, 2008 5:23 PM
Ohians aren't bad. Well , just the ones who live in Columbus are. LOL!
Posted by: Corey
| February 7, 2008 5:23 PM
Matthews LOVES McCain. Its funny seeing him pretending to be objective.
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 5:23 PM
Warren
I took that info off the demographics in the link. It shows how each state compares to the rest of the United States. If you look under those categories you will find the data to back up the post.
So sorry any Ohioans here, if the truth hurts.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 5:24 PM
Cable Ann:
I appreciate the sentiment but reject the comparison to Alan Colmes. That guy is a Fox News stereotype of a progressive Democrat. A bleeding heart liberal who does not have a clue, much less a backbone.
He is used as a flak to enable conseratives to make their arguments sound good.
(I hope I used the term flak correctly...)
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:24 PM
All I know about Ohio is that there are four dead there.
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 5:25 PM
unlikely_burrito:
It is not enough to just have some facts that support your words - style matters.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:27 PM
Michael Moore trashes HRC...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/07/moore-i-am-morally-proh_n_85481.html
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 5:27 PM
Warren ,
No doubt, your style is exquisite.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 5:29 PM
Warren,
Sorry. I love Alan Colmes. He seems like a decent reasonable man.
Oh, and I forgot that nash guy (I assume he's a guy). I think he's Jon Stewart.
Posted by: cable anne | February 7, 2008 5:29 PM
Nash:
Are you serious:
"Matthews LOVES McCain."
Anyone who knows Matthews' stance on the war would disagree.
But you may have been sarcastic. This is a tough room.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:30 PM
Cable Ann:
He does - just trying to make a point and I do not watch him often.
Although I did used to listen to Hannity on the radio during the build up to the Iraq War. That guy had a huge part in building up the fear that led to the Bush Doctrine.
Trust me, I was not listening because I agreed with him.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:33 PM
Thanks cable ann. I like Jon, but I'm MUCH better looking. Think of a young Brad Pitt.
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 5:33 PM
Wolf confirmed that two debates have been agreed to including the CNN sponsored Ohio debate..
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 5:35 PM
Alan Colmes is the kind of person who comes accross better when his views are read. Put a decent, respectful guy next to a bully like Hannity..you have a problem.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 5:39 PM
Thanks, OD
2 debates in 24 days
Did he say were they were going to be? I recall one in Columbus?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 5:39 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
Check the polls. No more hope for Romney.
Obama is doing better against McCain. Now that name recognition is not such an issue . . . and it still is for Obama.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:41 PM
He did not say where (wolf)
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 5:42 PM
Hardball discussion by Shustie and Chuckie T has it right in that I, too, believe that it is going to be hard for Hillary or Obama to unite this party enough if this primary process goes on to the convention. Whoever gets the nomination will only have a couple of months to unite the party before the general election. There is going to be a lot of grieving going on whether it is Obama or Hillary coming in second. Several of our bloggers here have said that Obama can unite better than Hillary.... I think you are underestimating the non-blogging Hillary electorate who are very much enthralled by her campaign. I'm going to keep pushing this point my fellow democratic colleagues. Let's all do our part to tone down the polarization of our two camps!!!
Posted by: Indy Man
| February 7, 2008 5:43 PM
Warren,
Listening to people you don't agree with indicates a thoughtful person.
Posted by: cable anne | February 7, 2008 5:43 PM
"Reading the posts I've come up with personality matches with some cable personalities. Not necessarily their views, but more conversational style."
--cable anne
______
How can you compare my conversational style to someone, if you have never had a conversation with me?
I don't mind, but I am just askin'... {8>{)
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| February 7, 2008 5:44 PM
I just want to chime in about larger crowds for Obama. My experience with the rallies is that Obama attracts a much younger crowd—people without daily and nightly responsibilities such as kids, work etc. I called one of my girlfriends on Bainbridge Island, WA today to ask if she was going to see Hillary and she is trying to figure out if her husband has to work late, if she can get a babysitter etc. Just an observation from personal experience.
Posted by: Ally
| February 7, 2008 5:46 PM
Over at Fox, it's a circular firing squad:
"McCain isn't a conservative!"
"Is so!"
"Is not!"
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 5:46 PM
Nash - who wins in the who do you wanna have a beer with contest between Hillary and McCain.
Bush has done a lot of things - but he has not eliminated one of the most time-honored traditions in American presidential politics.
If we just nominated the smartest one - say hello to President Kucinich, who by the way is from Ohio. Didn't he already throw support Obama's way in this campaign.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:48 PM
Cable Ann----not Alan but Shawn Hannity!
Posted by: chickadee | February 7, 2008 5:48 PM
I think Obama draws bigger crowds, because he has Stevie Wonder and Oprah at his rallies.
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| February 7, 2008 5:49 PM
Kevin Drum has possibly the best advice of all for those of us prognosticators
"Seriously, I guess we should all just shut up and wait to see what happens. I really have no idea what's going on anymore."
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_02/013071.php
ha ha if only it were that easy
Posted by: ran | February 7, 2008 5:51 PM
Indy Man - I have always stood for a decrease in polarization - on this blog and the country. Including how many Dems feel about Republicans.
I am merely an Independent who watches you strange partisan creatures from the outside.
And I though we were past insults.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:52 PM
LushIsLinda,
LOL! That response is so Laura Ingram. Of course I can tell your conversational style from seeing how you converse with others here! I love you! Keep it up!
Posted by: cable anne | February 7, 2008 5:53 PM
"My crowd's bigger than your crowd."
"Is not!"
"Is so!"
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 5:53 PM
Ally, you are right. There is a very passionate grassroots support for Hillary and they are older and have more family responsibilities. Our fellow bloggers here that underestimate Hillary's support and who choose to dismiss one of our own (democratic candidate) helps to feed the polarization that will send these two camps further apart.
Posted by: Indy Man
| February 7, 2008 5:53 PM
Speaking of Dennis Kucinich..In the 2004 campaign I heard that he would be speaking at Lincoln High School in Portland. I remember thinking that hardly anyone would show up..I drove to Portland and attended. I was surprised at the large, enthusiastic crowd. I should have remembered, this was Portland.
He was very impressive in person. I think he addeed lots to the debate. I do think he needs to stick to serving his district.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 5:54 PM
Indy Man: you are the one underestimating the other candidate's support.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 5:58 PM
Right now, Hillary & Barak are in a tie. Will that continue or will one pull ahead?
Does Barak have momentum?
Will one of them make a gaff? Hillary wouldn't but Bill might. Barak might.
This could go either way.
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 5:59 PM
Warren, in case you haven't been introduced to Nash, let me do so now. Nash is our resident Almost Canadian of the far northeast Maine suburb who loves to be as acerbic as possible; thus, keeping us loose and laughing. He used to run (for the oldies here) a morning cafe with a different fare each day. Everyone reads Nash's posts even if they don't read the rest of them. And, if you need some interpretation of national and international economics, Nash is the guy!
Posted by: eprof2 | February 7, 2008 6:00 PM
Indy Man: I agree. I was just offering an observation of the crowd demographic based on my personal experience seeing both candidates on multiple occasions. I believe both of our candidates are compelling with powerful messages. And yes, they have very different oratorical gifts.
Posted by: Ally
| February 7, 2008 6:00 PM
OD: The REAL Portland is here in Maine. You should call your town "Portland II" or "Portland 2.0."
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 6:02 PM
Nash..You have given me an opportunity to tell a true story.
In the early days of Portland, Oregon..there was a dispute about what the new settlement would be called.
Two of the city founders disagreed about the name.
One was from Boston, MA; the other was from Portland, ME. They agreed to a coin flip. I think you know which name won.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 6:06 PM
Nash:
I agree it could go either way. And I accept the premise that Hillary would make a good president.
But not now.
In the current political scene, should would face a difficult and bitter general election. If she made it, people will not be able to put their political greivances aside and get to the country's business.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 6:07 PM
Warren... No, not at all... I'm not underestimating his support.... the majority of posts here definitely show the support that Barack has and I believe it is there. That is my point!!! We have two candidates with their own enthusiastic camps of supporters and when you have that kind of devotion and a short time to unite the party if this goes late into the spring and possibly the convention... there is going to be a lot of SHOCK to the camp that comes in second and that is going to take time get over it. so that we can win the election in November. I AM FOR EITHER CANDIDATE 100%... I don't believe that is the case for many of our fellow bloggers who are deep into their camps. I've gone back and forth between Obama and Hillary several times and am currently leaning toward Hillary at the moment because of her showing in the CA debate and her more inspirational approach while still delivering more specifics in her message too.
Posted by: Indy Man
| February 7, 2008 6:08 PM
Craig...so good to see you wagging your cane at us. Is your hair getting longer or what!
I think I will fast forward to the Pepsi Center on or about the 25th of August. By then, New Mexico should have counted their votes. Uno, dos, tres.....
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:08 PM
On the menu tonight at Cafe Crawford, Chablis and smoked Gouda.
Please be patient with the new members of our waitstaff as they are Romney's kids and, since he wiped out the family fortune, they all have to take entry-level jobs.
Later this evening, Rush Limbaugh will do a reading of "Howl" by Allen Ginsberg.
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by Oxycontin."
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 6:09 PM
Nash
Chablis is so 1972.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:11 PM
Arrest warrant for Bush\Cheney.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-iIkmt-eco&eurl=http://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 6:13 PM
For you listening pleasure...
http://www.martiniinthemorning.com/
Click the listen live button.
Posted by: Corey
| February 7, 2008 6:13 PM
e-prof: You are too kind.
I'm actually an arrogant nasty jerk, but you damn liberals are too nice to say that.
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 6:14 PM
Nash
You are hilarious!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| February 7, 2008 6:15 PM
Blonde win: I loved Craig's cane, also. Funny!
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 6:18 PM
And after reading all of the persuasive arguments made by the Trail Mix gang for the dem candidate of choice, it will be miracle if McBush gets elected. We are really lucky this year and whoever the dems nominate will be our next Prez unless the Other Guys form an independent run to mess with the numbers.
I have to remember trail mix contains a lot of nuts, shriveled grapes and other assortments of yummy foods.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:20 PM
Indy Man: I totally agree. If this thing comes down to superdelegates or MI & FL and a bunch of lawyers - the Dems will have big trouble in the general on this issue.
Nobody likes lawyers...even lawyers.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 6:20 PM
Nash, you mean "acerbic" wasn't strong enough? OK, you're "actually an arrogant nasty jerk." Nice to see the cafe open for dinner!
Posted by: eprof2 | February 7, 2008 6:20 PM
I meant to type "Blonde wino." (Damn Oxycontin!)
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 6:21 PM
Oh...Warren
Don't start quoting McBush...he told that lame joke about lawyers and scum suckers the other day...very last century.
Yeah Dems, I think we are going to take the White House!
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:23 PM
Blondie:
It will not take a miracle. Republicans have built their party on winning general elections recently.
Fortunately, Bush puts them in a hole - but that hole is not as deep when people start to look forward as opposed to backward.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 6:23 PM
Why cant the DNC just make a decision, and let everyone know what it's going to be right now????
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 6:24 PM
And I think it is critical that the Dems take the White House.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 6:25 PM
unlikely_burrito:
Because hopefully the won't have to make a decision. Hopefully the voters will take care of that for us.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 6:26 PM
well "hope" and this quarter....oh wait ..... don't want to step on the "hope" canidate
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 6:28 PM
Nash...I don't have a problem if you toss some Oxycontin in the trail mix although I am very found of valium and enjoy the blue better than the orange.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:28 PM
u-burrito: That's what Howard Dean wants to do...make a deal.
Hillary made an offer but Obama doesn't want to be ambassador to North Korea.
France, maybe.
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 6:28 PM
It is a shame this primary race has to be tainted by these self-inflicted ambiguities.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 6:30 PM
BW: I didn't know Valium comes in colors. So, it's like M&Ms?
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 6:32 PM
Nash - you have to drop acid before you look at the Valiums.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 6:34 PM
"LushIsLinda,
LOL! That response is so Laura Ingram. Of course I can tell your conversational style from seeing how you converse with others here! I love you! Keep it up!"
--cable anne
_______
Hmmmmm...that answer was very "Sheila-esque". Could it be that Sheila is lurking here, incognito?
I have been thinking about the list compiled by cable anne. I find a couple things interesting...
1) my name is on there, even though I rarely post anything of interest and just today, I said(referring to one of dog's posts) that no one ever mentions my name, when talking about posters.....LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
2) I find it fascinating that, of all the names listed, not one is a card carrying member of "Lurkers for a More Civil Crawfordslist". If cable anne has been lurking for a couple weeks, I think Sheila, HW, dnd, dog, anon-p, etc, would have been noted.
Think about it....
If cable anne is not Sheila, then it must be dog!!(and GORDO must be Sheila!!).
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLL!!!!
I have way too much time on my hands, don't I?
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| February 7, 2008 6:36 PM
Well sort of like M&Ms, but after you have few you really won't notice the difference.
After watching McBush this afternoon, I am sooo excited about the dems. I really feel he doesn't have a chance. The dems have been surpassing turnout expectations in the primaries and I feel much better this afternoon than I have in awhile.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:36 PM
Cash Rolling in for Clinton
February is turning out to be one hell of a month for Hillary Clinton, and it's only begun. I've just learned that in the last 24-30 hours, Clinton has raised 6.4 million dollars, with 7.5 million online in February; and 40,000 new contributors so far and still counting.
Oh, and about that rumor of Clinton staff going unpaid. Baloney.
One thing to note, the Clinton campaign staff offered to work without pay. But it never happened. Loyalty, baby.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/
Posted by: GORDO | February 7, 2008 6:38 PM
UB: I dropped some acid once, but some damn hippie picked it up and ate it before I could stop him.
Oh, wait. That was me.
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 6:38 PM
Brain in NYC
Orange is generic (5mg)...you must have superb health insurance.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:40 PM
I am glad we are lightening-up...I am ready to start scheduling some celebration parties.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:42 PM
Electronics being seized at the borders. Be careful when you travel as your electronic items may be seized or searched. You will even be forced to give up your computer log on password, and email log on and password.
And that's just the beginning. They will all check all your cell phone messages and copy your phone book entries.
Read about it here.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/06/AR2008020604763.html?hpid=topnews
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 6:44 PM
Brain in NYC
I wonder what Craig is using for the leg pain?
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:44 PM
The perfect thing about the timing of OB's huge January and then HRC saying she had to put some of her "own skin" in the game, is that when she asked her supporter for cabbage, they delivered.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 6:44 PM
I went to see Obama, he gave a good speech, the crowd was loud. I didn't learn anything at the rally, it really seemed like a pep rally without the bonfire. From other reports and coverage it appears that it was his standard uplifting stump speech. I was glad Oprah wasn't there because it would have drawn more gawkers, not people that were interested in issues.
The next day I went and saw Hillary, same size crowd, more excited crowd, and more specifics on all sorts of issues plus answering lots of questions from the crowd.
That was the day I decided to vote for Hillary, which I did in the NH primary. And right now I am still fully for Hillary. Obama hasn't given me enough reason to support him and that goes for the general election should he win the nomination. What would it take for him to close the deal? Hard to describe, but I'll know it if it happens.
Bye the way, I also went to see McCain, he comes across much better in person than on TV. I know that many people here don't care for him, but I do respect him, even when I disagree with many of his positions. And anyone here that thinks he will be a pushover in the general election is not paying attention. Rudy gone, Mitt gone, Thompson gone, Trancredo gone, others gone, gone, gone... Ron Paul forgotten but not gone.
Posted by: Bowmanc | February 7, 2008 6:46 PM
BW: McCain was always the most formidable Republican opponent in the general election, but no one thought he could get the nomination. Add the charming, folksy Huckabee as VP and the Dems are in BIG TROUBLE now.
So what are they doing? Obama and Clinton zealots are tearing into each other like rabid weasels.
"You started it!"
"Did not!"
"Did too!"
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 6:46 PM
a-p
There is actually a form you can fill-out to verify your electronics (tsa.gov) and I actually carried my receipts for my video cam and bb (love that GSM technology) while traveling...I think I am more paranoid than you. : )
I wonder who McBush will pick for his VP?
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:50 PM
McCain is scary.....on all levels
Huckky is scary.....on all levels
If the Dems don't win this one - I hope it isn't because people didn't go to the polls as expected. That would be a pisser.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 6:51 PM
Craig??? What is in your pain killing trail mix??
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:51 PM
We will see if she can keep it up. Plus, a public and orchestrated call to arms after the candidate just dumped in a bunch of her own money in the campaign does seem too grass roots to me.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 6:52 PM
Shuster instead of Tucker today.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:52 PM
LushIsLinda,
No, I'm not Shelia. There are a number of other posters here that I could not match up with a cable personalities. Maybe Shelia is Ann Curry. She seems so nice. I'm still working on Patsi! She's a hoot! Do you have any ideas?
Posted by: cable anne | February 7, 2008 6:53 PM
Grass roots or not, this campaign is run like a business you have to be able to meet expenses. She did it because she wanted to keep going.
Mitt , said, that's enough, I have spent enough. He could recognize a bad investment.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 6:55 PM
CNN's Cafferty just lied about Bill Clinton's "Fairy Tale" remark.
Posted by: GORDO | February 7, 2008 6:57 PM
gray-roots vs grass-roots
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 6:57 PM
Brain in NYC...too bad pain killers are so constipating...look at Rush.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 6:57 PM
Nash
The candidates are starting to play nice at least in public.
As for the followers there is not a lot of problems most democrats surveyed say they will be happy with either one.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | February 7, 2008 6:58 PM
able Anne-
Patsi= Rachel Maddow ?
~G
Posted by: Gidget
| February 7, 2008 7:02 PM
Good evening all. From the thread, it looks like it's been kind of a soul-searching day with lots of folks licking wounds. Thank God this is only words on screens...sted of throwing stars and motorcycle chains.
Hey Anon-Paranoid...if you're out there, in the spirit of camaraderie I wanted to apologize for being such a jerk last night about your use of "God Bless" or "Signing Off" at the end of each message. I saw your explanation...that that that's simply part of your signature for each message. I took it completely a different way -- like you always wanted to just get the last word in before scurrying away, only to reappear moments later. So I completely misinterpreted and it was my fault...so I'm sorry about being so freakin' mean about it. My bad. I wouldn't blame you if you hate me.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 7:03 PM
What happens to left over funds, if a candidate quits the contest?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 7:04 PM
Oh, McBush was so panderama today.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 7:05 PM
Gordo..Cafferty also lied about Bill's Jesse Jackson comment-just like most of the press.
Cafferty, telling two lies in one sentence is quite an accomplishment.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 7:06 PM
LiL
It can't be Gordo. He's too busy hanging out with The Manchurian Candidate.
Posted by: Jamie | February 7, 2008 7:08 PM
Gidget,
I think Rachael Maddow is perfect for Patsi! Thanks!
Posted by: cable anne | February 7, 2008 7:09 PM
Brain in NYC...I am truly sorry to hear that...it is terribly painful
And as my nik states, I am the blonde wino. I am sorry if you find me inappropriate. And I have never been called gross in my life...maybe my words are gross (cheaper by the dozen or gross??), but those that can see me have never called me gross. That comes as a surprise to me.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 7:09 PM
Unlikely...
Leftover funds can be retained in a campaign account for a limited period of time...maybe up to a year or two. I don't know exactly. But in theory, they could be transferred to some future campaign of that candidate for some other office, I believe.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 7:09 PM
Thanks LL
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 7:10 PM
Thus the "loan" qualifier on HRC cash.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 7:12 PM
Unlikely...check this link for all the rules and regs.
http://www.fec.gov/law/law.shtml
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 7:13 PM
Oh yeah...on the loan...it would be interesting to compare to Katherine Harris' supposed use of her own personal citrus-fortune inheritance to finance her Senate campaign in Florida a couple years ago. I think it turned out to be a loan...and she might have ended up getting a lot of it back.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 7:15 PM
kgc...
I'll be back, its just to much bashing and over the top comments that leave a bad taste in my mouth.
I'll just lurk and post when I feel that it won't rub anyone the wrong way.
Take care.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 7:19 PM
a-p
That was an awfully long post...what are you talking about? What post, what thread? I may say stupid things, but I really do no feel I am malicious. If you feel I have crossed a line, what have I done?
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 7:19 PM
Bowmanc & Nash-Agree totally that John McCain is the most formidable candidate the rep. could have.
While he may not have been well-received at CPAC, he started to define both hillary/obama as twin
weak sisters ready to surrender to the enemy. It is unfortunate that he will have a couple of months to define them on his terms while they continue their fight for delegates, not to mention the FL/Michigan & superdelegates dilemma looming.
To those who underestimate his appeal-- the warning "be careful what you wish for" comes to mind.
Posted by: Coreen | February 7, 2008 7:21 PM
NRCC Probe Scares GOP:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8349.html
Posted by: goodnews | February 7, 2008 7:23 PM
Lardass and Unlikely:
Leftover campaign funds can be used for just about whatever the candidate wants. For instance:
http://www.myfeedspace.com/article/artid-30565/feeds
"Then came Monday’s mail with a nice letter and a $5,000 check signed by Kerry. It wasn’t a personal check, Feller said. It was drawn from the account of “Keeping America’s Promise,” Kerry’s political action committee, which is the repository of donations from around the country sent to support Kerry and used by him to fund campaigns and for political outreach - such as the donation to the Des Moines VFW post."
I remember when this happened (I live less than 5 miles from the VFW post) and there were a lot of angry donors from across the country, especially the ones who donated extra money for him to fund lawyers to fight the Ohio vote. Instead, he pocketed the money the last I heard.
Posted by: zoey
| February 7, 2008 7:24 PM
Brain in NYC and a-p
I did not call you a child molestor and if I want to trash Rush Limbaugh, I can.
If you want to think I am gross and stupid, so be it. But, unlike you both...I will not hold it against you. Like I have said all along...it is my American, too.
Geez...I was so feeling good about the dems winning in November.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 7:24 PM
OHHH...you guys get me so upset I made a typo
It is my America, too.
Now, I feel gross and stupid..
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 7:27 PM
Z-
I see that make sense as well. I can see where they would take the money and run with it , creating a "dot" org, and good cause......most likely including a paycheck to themselves.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 7:28 PM
chickadee...
OLD TIMERS RETREATING AND BEING MISSED! Sort of like politically sides---the old timers and the newbies.
I wonder if the OLD TIMERS even bother to read the newbies posts or do they just hone in on their OLD TIMER MEMBERS.
After lurking for most of 2 weeks---it is very apparent who the CRAZYMAKERS are---those who WANT TO HAVE THE LAST WORD----those who hang BARBS AND STINGS on the end of a comment that are intentionally meant to incite rancor!
There is a difference between being WITTY and being a WISE ASS.
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Let me assure you that I read all the posts here every day. Since I started my blog I don't comment as much as I use to, however I always read what's going on and being said.
Between work, my blog, visiting all those I link to and other things going on in my life I sometimes find there are not enough hours in the day to do all I want or need to.
All newcomers are welcome no matter what. All I want to see is civility return to this house. That's all. No more, no less.
Take care.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 7:29 PM
And see how fast Edwards has been forgotten.
It will be interesting what happens after the convention and a nominee is finally chosen. Will all the democrats here close ranks and support the nominee? Will real and imagined slights and insults turn into dust or permanent feuds? That will be a predictor of how well the democratic candidate fares in the general election.
Posted by: bowmanc | February 7, 2008 7:30 PM
zoey...
I hear some women like dogs, maybe she likes her dog more than Dick.
Take care.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 7:32 PM
There seems to be a lot of dicussion about the types of posts on this site.
I started participating because I have found Craig to be an interesting person with perspectives not often heard in the media.
I'm most interested in learning from other people. Lots of that occurs on this site.
Personally, I try to not take part in some of the discussions due to the degree of personal insult.
That is my decision. Others may choose differently.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 7:36 PM
Good grief...this blog is starting to turn into some sort of weird cross between a Promise Keepers rally and a Wrestlemania Ultimate Smackdown.
My tummy hurts.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 7:38 PM
Craig...I look forward to the book plates...I think my gross and stupid ass will be hitchiking back to New Mexico now.
Like OD, I have learned a lot from the trail...thanks all.
I hope hope to see you all at the Pepsi Center.
Posted by: Blonde wino
| February 7, 2008 7:40 PM
Blonde...if you leave, who will do the Jackson Pollack style election maps on the wine-drenched carpet come November?
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 7:41 PM
LL
that was funny
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 7:42 PM
For Indy Man...
I don't think that Barack should give Hillary the debates she wants and here's why.
Hillary is short on money and by Barack giving her debates every week he would be also giving her free air time to make up for all the money she would have to spend otherwise in advertisements.
It won't hurt Barack, but it will definitely help Hillary since she short on cash. Also we already know what there plans are on the issues. So why should he help her with her campaign?
Take care.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 7:45 PM
Actually, I think some of the allegedly "wounded" people here are being too precious by half. On the other hand, I think we all should do a bit more to be mindful of basic rules of respect and civility -- both on the tactical (this snotty message) and strategic (this running feud) level. And that's coming from someone who's posted his own share of snotty messages.
But in the end, I think the discussion here is pretty damn good and the folks here are pretty damned intelligent. I've really gotten a lot out of it. So I'm sticking with y'all, and I hope as many of you as possible stick with it too.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 7:46 PM
No one in here is mind reader for *(&&^ sake, it gets brutal here if you take it all personally.
Please wounded people bury the hatchets, give peace a chance. "Unite" or "whatever the white chick says!"
No one died here, shake it off and get it into perspective.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 7:51 PM
Right, Unlikely...and remember Part B of the pledge:
Going forward, be mindful of the effect of everything you say.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 7:53 PM
Going to check the phase of the moon.......
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 7:53 PM
I am a mind reader.
Posted by: warren | February 7, 2008 7:54 PM
Passed some economy package
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23052292/
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 7:55 PM
rr...
yeah.... it is a belittling statement..... born of frustration....
This is what is troubling me. If this continues it will not only be bad for the party, but also the country.
If the party splits and {if we do have elections} there will be another Repug in the Peoples House.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 7:56 PM
oh yeah warren....i knew that
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 7:56 PM
I have read-only access to my own mind. Anything beyond that, I have to call the system administrator.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 7:57 PM
I knew if I prayed hard enough the Government would provide me what I needed to get that I-phone. Stay the heck out of Wal -mart with that rebate....Apple all the way...
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 8:01 PM
I don't have a snotty bone, in my body...snot is not in my nature...LOLOLOL!!! 8>D
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| February 7, 2008 8:01 PM
snot is gross
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 8:02 PM
LushIs...you're right. None of your snotty bones are in your body. They're in your hands, wielded like clubs. That, and your obvious goatee fetish, makes you kinda cute as far as I'm concerned.
:)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 8:03 PM
How tall is McCain...would i Google that? or Wiki that?
I think he is shrinking, but man oh man his suits have BIG shoulders.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 8:04 PM
The results from each of the 184 precincts in New Mexico have been reported, but a winner in the Democratic caucuses there has not been declared, and there's no way of telling when that will happen. With all those results in, Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama by a count of 68,654 to 67,531. Clinton also holds a narrow lead -- 13 to 12 -- in New Mexico's pledged delegate count. (The state also has 13 unpledged delegates.) But 17,000 provisional ballots, accounting for more than 10 percent of the total vote, remain to be tallied. Rather than counting only the provisional ballots, the state Democratic Party, along with the candidates, has decided to hold a recount of all the votes cast.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html
Posted by: GORDO | February 7, 2008 8:05 PM
This competition between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have thrown all common sense out of the window competence, experience issues of importantance and what is in country's best interests has taken a back seat to selecting America's first African-American president. This situation has presented an African-American with the upbringing of a middle American family from Kansas with the only the interruption of his upbringing was the four years that he spent in Indonesia from the age of six to 10. He was separated from his father who was as black as pitch around the age of two with a mother who was white as milk. '' He said it in his book Dreams from My Father''. I only said this to emphasize a point,that the only thing black about Obama, that represent the experiences of Black Americans is his very light brown skin inside he is just as white as he described his mother,'' as white as milk'' he said in his book. This is what the bandwagon of about this is what is so palatable about Obama for white people.
African Americans does not know any of these facts they just see a light brown man that's highly educated and has studied Martin Luther King's rhythm and speech patterns. I have nothing against him how could I? He is very accomplished educated and politically astute individual but he is a first-generation American that is replacing the Clintons, when two years ago that same 80% of African-American that are supporting Obama was wishing that Hillary Clinton would run for president so they could bring back the Clinton years. That is defined as gullibility . I don't mind you voting for Obama but I do mind when you kick the Clintons to the curb. Just for your information I am an American Negro you can very easily distinguish me from African-Americans by my experiences as a decendant of ancestor who experienced 400 years of slavery and a 120 years of Jim Crow and segregation. I know a cross dresser when I see one when I see one.
Posted by: Nivramel
| February 7, 2008 8:05 PM
Unlikely...if you have a 27-inch TV, take out a tape measure and measure his height. Then mulitply by 3.5785.
Should get you pretty much in the ballpark.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 8:06 PM
Thanks Gordo.
How many weeeeeks will a recount take? Ha ha
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 8:06 PM
ROFLBSAOTP @ LaL!!!!!!!
http://www.gaarde.org/acronyms/?lookup=R
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| February 7, 2008 8:09 PM
Ewwwwww.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 8:10 PM
They were talking about the possibility of back lash on NPR today, about a "people" seeing someone as a "sellout" and how complicated it is and becomes.
This is exactly what you are saying Nivamel. If I had not hard that show, I would have not understood your point.
Do you think that prevails? or is it a minority? and in time will it grow or subside?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 8:13 PM
Lardass....lol...my tv is bigger then my tape measure, but thanks.....and I still cant find the remote....I think the dog ate it.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 8:14 PM
Just trying to read some of this...have been involved with the plight of a good friend from Denver, taking her adult daughter to Mayo, with snow problems in Chicago.
Here's my comments:
"Rachael Maddow is perfect for Patsi!"
No, no, no. I am far more Maxine Waters than Rachael Maddow. At least the Rachael that now wants to stay at MSNBC. All you need to know about my personality is that as a 16 year old high school cheerleader I ran on court and punched out the opposing basketball player who had kicked one of our players in the stomach when he fell down.
So when "dogs eye" accused me of flame throwing she was dead wrong. I am a punch thrower. If you kick someone I like, I will throw a punch.
And since this morning, when all I posted was information about Joe Lieberman losing his superdelagate status, only to have a couple of posters start name calling.....unless I can stop myself, I may indeed throw a punch...
Posted by: Patsi | February 7, 2008 8:17 PM
Blonde wino...
Read the link, really. These are people flying in from all over the world and its a matter of privacy. Take a few minutes and read the story.
Take care.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 8:20 PM
Patsi-
Your anedote sounds exactly like something RM would do....perhaps your style is more RM on Air America vs, the MSNBC version?
~g
Posted by: Gidget
| February 7, 2008 8:21 PM
Well, Craig, I’m right in the middle of Ohio. I and my Central Ohio relatives are big supporters of Obama. We are all white suburbanians, which should not even enter into this discussion, but I wanted that to be clear to you and the mostly Billary supporters on this blog/board.
It should be noted there is a big machine behind the Obama campaign here. The Mayor of Columbus, Mayor Michael Coleman, who is black, popular, happens to be an Obama supporter and has endorsed him, has already had some events to bring people out to show their support. I’m hoping that the largest college population in the US, Ohio State, will bring out those same young people to support Obama as well.
Having been to rallies for Kerry in ’04 on the OSU campus, I do realize there are a lot of conservatives who may go to the conservative wing of the Democratic party with McCain now the likely candidate for the R’s, and we all know who that is, don’t we? CONSERVATIVE! Anything to straddle that ole fence and win ‘um all, huh? If you look at the Obama supporters and their meet-ups (as Dean had in ’04), the Obama supporters are not all black and are not all young here in Ohio. There are many of us ole white broads and ole white men behind him as well.
Go Obama. Bring some real change to this country with sound, intelligent judgment (like Kennedy)…not tenure, and bring about real change.
Posted by: Karolenna | February 7, 2008 8:23 PM
RM looks like she could kick some @ss ....only if she had to.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 8:24 PM
I wanna be Mika...not E. D. Hill!!!
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| February 7, 2008 8:24 PM
LL...
Finally got down to your comment. Accepted.
I had to leave a few comments on other comments left so I'm still reading those long past.
I'm sure you saw the ones I've left and I sincerely hope that there taken for what they are. Sincere thoughts about feelings that get hurt unintentionally that may not heal if left to fester.
I don't hold no grudges and I try to be respectful to all. I would just like to see the same from everyone else like it use to be.
I don't think I'm asking too much. Do you?
Anyway let me continue to catch up.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 8:26 PM
Kero - In Ohio as well - Strickland , and Tubbs-Jones have a lot of support backing HRC. It's a toss-up.
However the Repugs I know Hate McCain, but like Obama
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 8:28 PM
I don't know who said what to whom, because I don't have time to read 500 posts a day. Blogs comments can get get nasty because we say things we would never say face to face and it's hard to know when someone is joking. I like to say outrageous things here just to see if anyone actually believes me.
For the last week or so I've been giving the Hillary people a hard time. If I offended anyone, I apologize. I forgot that you are all humorless robots.
See. There I go again.
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 8:28 PM
Okay,
everyone give 10 dollars to the candidate you like least....
......hmmmmm, saying I'm sorry is so much easier. :)
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 8:32 PM
Never mind that !!!! everyone give to Hillary because she's behind in the money!
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 8:35 PM
I am not a humorless robot..
I am not a humorless robot..
I am not a humorless robot
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 8:35 PM
"Kero - In Ohio as well - Strickland , and Tubbs-Jones have a lot of support backing HRC. It's a toss-up."
Well, yes I know Strickland has endorced Billary, but some of his "government appointments" don't agree with him. I know first hand. Get the message? I don't believe Ted's endorsement is going to help her all that much. I love Ted Strickland. Actually, he grew up not far from where I did and he went against a classmate of mine for the US Congress at one time. My classmate, who was an R, won, sorry to say. So I know Ted Strickland well. Good man. But this time he has chosen the wrong candidate, IMO, to support!!!
Posted by: Karolenna | February 7, 2008 8:38 PM
Blonde wino...
LL
"It was I who suggested (tongue in cheek -- and please do not take that the wrong way, a-p) that Brain was being questioned by the police for "embracing a youth under 16." It was a play on words, probably not really funny, but was a lot of fun to type. Like I said, we have been so miserable for years under GWB, we need to have some harmless fun."
Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | February 6, 2008 6:37 PM
---------------------------------------------------------------
You made this comment earlier and I replied because it offended me.
Maybe you were just feeling the wine and didn't realize what you had said.
It's forgotten, lets just blame it on the wine, okay.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 8:39 PM
Speaking of humorless robots, lots of Republicans HATE McCain.
Limbaugh is ranting like a loonie, every day for HOURS about how McCain is going to DESTROY the GOP. Coulter says she'd rather vote for Hillary.
Over at Fox it's "Night of the Living Dead." (McCain's followers are flesh-eating zombies who cannot be stopped!)
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 8:39 PM
Nivramel...
I think an interesting comparison with Obama might be Colin Powell, when his prospective presidential candidacy was hot several years back. Like Obama, he was an African-American who was not the descendant of slaves. But Powell, who was of Jamaican descent, didn't play on race keys with the public, anyway, so race truly didn't matter. He was more likely to channel Dwight D. Eisenhower than MLK on any given day.
So...the question that leads to is whether the drama of Obama being elected is more about the absolution of America's original sin -- slavery -- or if it is simply about diversity in general (a person of color being elected president). And if it is indeed more about diversity in general, then the media by going overboard on his candidacy has done a disservice to both Hillary and Bill Richardson -- whose candidacies are/were equally about diversity in our society.
The media will figure this all out after Obama is nominated, and thus give themselves permission to go negative on him. Just watch.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 8:40 PM
Anon. Thanks. And I'll try to do better in the future.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 8:42 PM
Chris Matthews was interviewing Tom DeLay tonight.
He asked Tom about election day in November..If you knew that by not supporting McCain, it would result in the Clintons, both of them, returning to the White House, wouldn't you vote for McCain??
Delay responded..I don't know..don't know which would be worse. Very interesting
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 8:43 PM
talking to DeLay would be worse.
Posted by: sturgeone | February 7, 2008 8:45 PM
Nash...you know, Limbaugh just needs to pound sand.
Even though I'm a Democrat, I'm damn proud of the Republican Party for nominating McCain this year. I think it gives real reason to hope for this country's future.
EVERYBODY wants change from the crap we've been putting up with!!
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 8:47 PM
All you need to know about Matthews is that he INTERVIEWED DELAY. And showed it to hundreds of thousands of viewers, as it this criminal thug had something to add to our national political dialog.
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 8:50 PM
Okay------ if we want to move forward and act like adults.....then just maybe this would be a good place to start.......KARO- when you are speaking of Hillary Clinton...do not call her "billary" ......because when you use that term it shows a total disrespect for the candidate.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 8:51 PM
LL...
See, if a Obama supporter and a Hillary supporter can get along than we take all three houses in November. That's if we have elections.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 8:52 PM
Have a nice evening everyone..
I'm going to Portland for the evening. Oregon that is..
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | February 7, 2008 8:53 PM
Anon.
Agreed. I will absolutely be on board with Obama if he is the nominee.
That said, I will want to know more about the people advising him. He will need the best and the brightest in the country. He can't just have a bunch of holdover LAs from his Capitol Hill staff. He needs the best.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 8:56 PM
The Washington Post's Paul Kane: "We've done a bad job of explaining this, but it is now basically mathematically impossible for either Clinton or Obama to win the nomination through the regular voting process (meaning the super-delegates decide this one, baby!).
"So, do the math. If they both have about 900 pledged delegates so far, they need to win more than 1,100 of the remaining 1,400 delegates to win the nomination through actual voting.
"Ain't gonna happen, barring a stunning scandal or some new crazy revelation. So, they'll keep fighting this thing out, each accumulating their chunk of delegates, one of them holding a slight edge and bothing finishing the voting process with 1,600 or so delegates. And then the super delegates decide this thing. That's the math."
http://www.politicalwire.com/
Posted by: GORDO | February 7, 2008 8:56 PM
Oh, so after watching Abrams, from last night, I now realize that the wall, behind Craig is not painted blue(or some kind of blue wall treatment), but rather a blue light.
Posted by: LushIsLinda
| February 7, 2008 8:57 PM
Okay, not for the really scary stuff.
On the way home I have to listen to Reich Wing Talk Radio. The host {will not mention name} said the only way the Repug's could be assured a victory for the Peoples House would be if there were another Terrorist Attack.
He said that this would destroy the Democrats chances of winning. I still say that we will end up in another War and Martial Law will be enacted thereby suspending the Constitution and canceling elections.
I also believe that he will use Blackwater against American Citizens without giving it a second thought.
Now if this isn't scary than I don't know what is.
I'll continue in the next comment.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 8:57 PM
I call HRD Billary because I would say that most of the people who are voting for her think they are going to also get Bill back. They probably will, but I don't believe they will be getting the "Bill" they thought they wanted. These past few weeks we have not even seen the Bill Clinton we knew. He will not be the same to me.
Just think about it, if she were not his wife she would not even be running or even be viable as a candiate right now even with her Senate seat.
Posted by: Karolenna | February 7, 2008 8:57 PM
By the way, most economists agree, the "stimulus package" that those clowns in Congress just passed won't work.
The question now is, recession or depression? Yes. They are talking about DEPRESSION.
(Not a "great" depression, perhaps, but a pretty good one.)
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 8:57 PM
BTW, for all of you Billary supporters, I love Chris Matthews. Even you do not know who he really supports. Believe me. You don't.
Posted by: Karolenna | February 7, 2008 9:00 PM
Are the super delegates' names and votes public info, prior to nomination?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 9:01 PM
Nash...this stimulus package is the fiscal equivalent of a butt plug. May sound sexy at first, but in the end is just kinda gross.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 9:02 PM
BTW, for all of you Billary supporters, I love Chris Matthews. Even you do not know who he really supports. Believe me. You don't.
Posted by: Karolenna
But you do because you got the message from Gordo through your tinfoil hat,.
Posted by: Carnack | February 7, 2008 9:06 PM
The Federal Reserve Bank is moving hundreds of billions of dollars around the globe with it's monetary policy and slashing of interest rates. And that's barely making a dent in whatever it is that's going on right now. Compared to that, anything Congress/Bush can do by throwing a few hundred million or maybe even a few billion at domestic pork-barrel projects and stupid personal tax breaks is so much piss in the ocean.
Are you listening, John Maynard Keynes?
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 9:06 PM
Matthews hates the Clintons. I've been listening to him for years and he he can't mention either one of them without taking a cheap shot. Ever.
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 9:09 PM
Karo-Thank you for your explanation. I disagree on every point.
And I see how you think it is cute to remain disrespectful, even when asked not to be. This whole "billary " thing must mean an awful lot to you.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 9:09 PM
Super Delegate Endorsements as of 1/30:
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html
Posted by: zoey
| February 7, 2008 9:10 PM
cool thanks for da' links
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 9:12 PM
almost a tie
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 9:13 PM
Question for Obama supporters:
If Hillary leads 1,401 to 1,399 in regular delegates going into the convention...will Obama be willing to give up the fight for superdelegates based on the logic that "the people have spoken?"
Right. I didn't think so.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 9:14 PM
Well let me continue....
I posted some links yesterday in response to whskyjack who thought I was mocking real evil by the names I use to describe the P and VP.
If any of you have read my blog you would know that I am very anti Bush and his minions.
I left a point by point reason as to why I call them what I do.
I do not know if any of you have looked at the links and read them or not. I know they are long lengthy reads but they spell out all the reasons for my comments about this Regime.
These are powers all despots around the World, both past and present employ to this current day.
Before the election in 2006 I did a post on the MCA of 2006 and said that the power to label anyone, including American Citizens Enemy Combatants should not be given to any President, Republican or Democrat.
This power means that you can be arrested, locked up indefinitely with no right to a lawyer or court hearing since Habeas Corpus was stripped from Our Constitution.
I also have stated that I highly doubt that he would open himself and his minions up to being held accountable using this power against him and others in his administration.
And I really would like to know if anyone here thinks he wouldn't do anything to cancel elections and hold on to power.
Anyway that's it for now. I need to catch up on those I link to, but I'll be back. It's good to see civility return.
Oh and by the way be careful when you eat at Nash's cafe, I got food poisoning last time I ate there. LOL...LOL...LOL...
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 9:15 PM
See, anon....if you go back and actually READ your posts today, you will see that your pleas for civility are disingenuous. Here's my punch #1: you are far more passive aggressive than paranoid but basically a combination of both.
Some brought up this crap earlier today.....naming names (and we know who named the names and started the hand-wringing with one hand while slapping with the other)...here's my take some personalities, though I won't be crude enough to name the names:
Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Behavior or a fantasy of grandiosity, a lack of empathy, a need to be admired by others, an inability to see the viewpoints of others, and hypersensitive to the opinions of others.
Oh, and if those who started this in the a.m., I say: if you can't take a punch, stay out of the bowl.
By the way, Sheila reminds people that she was "an original" on Craig's blog. So was I. BFD on both counts.
Posted by: Patsi | February 7, 2008 9:17 PM
McCain has stopped playing John Mellencamp songs at his rally. Mellencamp said that he was a supporter of Edwards who recently dropped out of the race.
Posted by: Corey
| February 7, 2008 9:20 PM
Texas -HRC
Ohio -HRC
Penn -HRC
Dean will let Florida and Michigan delegates in and superdelegates will vote for -HRC.
Hispanics in Texas, Hillary support in Ohio and working class people in Penn who are more mainstream than Obama endorsements seem unlikely to shift in the next month. She wins every debate, doesn't rely on the anti-war pandering to hold up Obama's central badge courage named Iraq and even has Republicans admitting she is the least offensive Democrat based on her husband's reaching out to Republicans in Congress. Until the primary of course, Republicans will focus their attack on downing their tougher opponent who commands large Blue States, not Red State caucuses.
Our Allies, which Obama admits are important when "talking" to our enemies, are quite upset over events in Iran. France is establishing a base in the Gulf as Sakorzy is trying hard to counter Syrian meddling in Lebanon. England is reacting to the Bishop of Canterberry's hailing of coming English Sharia law and the UN is now realizing the Arab Charter calls for the end of Israel. Ooopss. The West is not in sink with Obama and largely supports Hillary (some in Germany hail Obama). As the election approaches, global events will prove stark contrast to Obama's foreign policy judgment. If Obama moves to center later his credibility wil be an even bigger issue than it is now. Jews, Hispanics, Asians, White women, Older Americans, Independents who respect McCain but are more Liberal, Democrats who liked Bill, are a hard block to ignore. These groups are particularly aware of the media slant, the campaign run by Obama and the vagueness of his judgment and record. Time may prove to be a curse as Obama gets more vetted than he thinks he already has been. I posted some tough questions no one has even asked of Obama. Clinton will find the money and also the votes. Once again Obama has made a strategic blunder by claiming more delegates from Tuesday (at first) and a clear victory. He sports the momentum generated largely by media. He talks about Red State victories as being reality come November while failing to take a large State. He should have been more humble and honest and played the under dog. More and more the salesman as people actually start reading the consumer guide to political realism.
Victories coming up for Obama will once again lead the media to crown him king. Now how many times have we seen this? The Clintons will put the full court press on in the big States. Rezko trial starts soon. Jolie visits Patraeous, Iran starts high speed centrifuges, Africa boils.
Reality bites.
Posted by: Maxtrue | February 7, 2008 9:22 PM
Patsi,
Well, I for one plead guilty to at least two of the five symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder that you just enumerated.
But I won't tell you which two. That's personal.
:)
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 9:22 PM
I know no one here but , Patsi, wow looks like you nailed that !
Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Behavior or a fantasy of grandiosity, a lack of empathy, a need to be admired by others, an inability to see the viewpoints of others, and hypersensitive to the opinions of others.
If the shoe fits
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 9:23 PM
patsi...
I do try to be respectful of others view though you appear to not think so.
Please tell me what comments I made today that were out of line?
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 9:24 PM
Why was President Clinton the only past pres as a super delegate?.... I found that curious, however, not that important.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 9:27 PM
Carnack -------
It's about research and connecting the "dots". Who sells tin foil? I have plenty of alumimum foil.
Posted by: GORDO | February 7, 2008 9:28 PM
Maintain and don't let anyone stop you from speaking your mind.....after all, without ideas there are no options.
Peace
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 7, 2008 9:29 PM
Christ. Here we go again. Cue the 8th Grade food fight.
C'mon folks...it was just starting to get INTERESTING again before someone turned it into another blog-navel-gazing exercise.
Let's move on from all the personality-driven crapola. We're all adults here. Let's act like adults.
Think John Updike or John Cheever millieau...but instead of martini glasses, we have computer keyboards. Let's just not throw them at each other. Please.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| February 7, 2008 9:30 PM
Okay...can someone please explain to me why conservatives don't like John McCain? No, SERIOUSLY, I just don't get what the deal is with him! I mean, really...he's a veteran, was a POW, is a Republican (it CAN'T just be that tax cut issue, can it...???)...WHY don't they like him??? He seems right up their alley, I just don't get it!!!
(I've been losing sleep over this [ya rly], can anyone help me here???)
Posted by: Julia | February 7, 2008 9:42 PM
Anon,
Who brought down the WTC? Has Patraeous betrayed us? What racist view similar to Hilter has Bush or Cheney written or stated?
Is FARC, HIzb"allah or Hamas a terrorist group? Does Israel run US foreign policy? Did you support removing the Taliban from Afghanistan? Was there genocide in Darfur? Do you think Iran wants the bomb to protect itself against the evil US? Would you be happy with Saddam in power and building WMD? Do you think terrorists are entitled to the full legal rights of US citizens? Are you against open markets or protectionist policies? Do you think that anyone entering the US legally or not should be allowed to become US citizens?
I think the answers you give will most likely insult rational, moderate Democrats and Republicans, so the "what me?": line of defense isn't working. If you want to explore where the Nazis left their ideological mark, Google the Grand Mufti and see where Saddam fits in.
Sorry for the diversion, but your underlyng mindset is important as you always add "God Bless" at the end of your often radical spins. Which God might that be? Seems a bit sarcastic, me thinks.
Posted by: Maxtrue | February 7, 2008 9:43 PM
I know how to settle this Obama vs Hillary thing quickly.
A duel.
Not guns, Have them both try to sing the "Star Spangled Banner." The one who gets closest to the actual notes, wins.
Put it on TV and call it "Democratic Idol."
The winner faces McCain in "Somewhere Over he Rainbow." Or maybe "Purple Haze."
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 9:47 PM
Yes Bowmanc, the people supporting BO seem like kids at a sporting event with him as their cheerleader. He does make a good cheerleader but we had a cheerleader for the last 8 years and it didn't turn out so well.
Obama does well with his cheerleading rallies and not as well up face to face with Clinton. That is why he doesn't want too many more debates. He is smart to avoid the debates.
If he is the chosen Democratic candidate, the debates will be far more challenging than they have been with a members of his own party.
Posted by: CT | February 7, 2008 9:47 PM
Julia-
1. campaign finance reform
2. weak on immigration
3. tax cuts position-
those are the biggest three-
Posted by: Kathy | February 7, 2008 9:48 PM
Julia: The "conservatives" who don't like McCain are not the rank and file. It's the right wing media pundits, the professional hardcore ideologues, like Limbaugh and Coulter. McCain is not a true believer; he's a practical politician willing to cut a deal with Kennedy, if that's what it takes. They hate that.
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 9:54 PM
Julia-
here is a decent article that addresses your questions
"bringing together unique voices form across the political spectrum"
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/01/conservatives-attack-mccain.html
Posted by: Kathy | February 7, 2008 9:55 PM
maxtrue...
You ask a lot of questions and I will reply as soon as I can gather the information necessary to provide you with them. It may be in a day or two put you will get a reply.
And I do consider myself a Christian.
God Bless.
Posted by: anon-paranoid
| February 7, 2008 9:55 PM
Thanks, Kathy...but I still don't get it. To me (a Kucinich supporter before he dropped out of the race, so basically, a pinko commie liberal pussy), McCain is THE go-to guy for the Republicans. He's likeable (great sense of humor, hell, *I* like him), he's got war cred, he's got experience cred, he's got social conservative cred...and he's got a chance to pull it out of his @$$ and actually win an election! I am literally BAFFLED that so many conservatives dump on him so, even for the reasons you listed. He seems like a smart guy (my poor old daddy's rolling his grave right now, with me typing this) who knows his shit from his Shinola...why aren't they sticking to him like glue on a cheap-ass weave???
Posted by: Julia | February 7, 2008 9:56 PM
ya know it seems there are two types of democrats
Those that believe it is most inportant to inspire. 49%
And those that believe it is most important to be tested 49%
I think this may be a religious type divide. An empirical argument is useless if you are trying to convert the other side. Convertions occur only from a leap of faith.
Now that I've effectively insulted both sides, and really pissed off those who's support is completely rational.......
Posted by: whskyjack | February 7, 2008 9:57 PM
Julia-
McCain is also weak on 2nd Amendment issues...wants to ban gun shows. He also believes that humans contribute to global warming. Apparently the true conservative doesn't..
~g
Posted by: Gidget
| February 7, 2008 9:58 PM
oops forgot the link to the poll
http://www.gallup.com/poll/103936/Public-Prefers-Tested-Leader-Inspiring-One.aspx
Posted by: whskyjack | February 7, 2008 9:59 PM
Headlines and Legends on MSNBC---Hillary history is currently on.
Posted by: chickadee | February 7, 2008 10:01 PM
Julia- Gidget is right- here in NH he really stressed environmental issues- and was noticeably the only repub to do so-
they do not trust him. Repubs like to vote for those who tow the line and are clearly party hacks-
You gotta wonder what McCain really thinks after the SC backstabs-
Posted by: Kathy | February 7, 2008 10:01 PM
McCain is a strong conservative by any rational measure.
But the Republicans have gone so far to the right they've got a lot of irrational extremist nutjobs (like Coulter) running around saying incredibly stupid things. And the cable shows put her on as if she were articulating a responsible point of view.
Posted by: nash
| February 7, 2008 10:04 PM
See, that's ANOTHER THING I DON'T GET.
The whole enviornmental issue. The argument among conservatives seems to be "OMG GOD GAVE US THE EARTH TO DO WITH AS WE SEE FIT AND WE ARE IN CHARGE OF IT!!!11ONE". Okay, but nowhere in the Bible does it say, "Thou shalt turn My Creation into thine own personal toilet." Why is the enviornmental issue such a touchy subject, because it's generally been a big fat lefty issue lo these many years?
Posted by: Julia | February 7, 2008 10:06 PM
Kathy-
I think that McCain will play to the actual conservatives and as much as he can stomach to the extreme right wing, and then, if he's elected, will do what he has always done...exactly what he thinks is best for the country. He may get elected, but I'm betting it will only be for 4 years.
~g
Posted by: Gidget
| February 7, 2008 10:07 PM
Oh btw...the writer's strike may be over!
http://www.cnbc.com/id/23057002
=D
Now we won't have to talk to our families at night anymore! YAY!!!
Posted by: Julia | February 7, 2008 10:12 PM
A few months back, I heard a very interesting piece on NPR. It was about how the tobacco lobby felt very threated, mainly due to second hand smoke concerns as well as general societal disgust. They needed to come up with research to dispute the second had stuff- but in order to do so, they felt it would be more effective to link it with another concern, so it would not look like an orphan issue.
SO, that is why the campaign to discredit global warming started- I'll try to find a link about it.
Posted by: Kathy | February 7, 2008 10:12 PM
Big news day and I sit huddled around a hurricane oil lamp in the dark...power just returned and it's warm again in here...I heard Romney suspended...then all went dark but now there is light! St. Huckabee musta heard my prayer!
It's been a long , cold, dark day.
Posted by: Dexter
| February 7, 2008 10:13 PM
"ya know it seems there are two types of democrats
Those that believe it is most inportant to inspire. 49%
And those that believe it is most important to be tested 49%"
ROFL! Jack nails it.
Posted by: Patsi | February 7, 2008 10:16 PM
Here is the article on the link between big tobacco and disproving global warming-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/sep/19/ethicalliving.g2
Posted by: Kathy | February 7, 2008 10:17 PM
Of course, Jack...the next and maybe buggest question is this: who are the democrats and who are the indies who voted for Nader or...earlier, Ronnie Raygun. Sort of like when the fundies took over the Republican party.
Posted by: Patsi | February 7, 2008 10:18 PM
Damn, Dexter, come on out here to San Jose...it's in the 60s and sunny, not a solitary cloud in the sky...
Posted by: Julia | February 7, 2008 10:19 PM
Of course I meant to type "biggest" but actually, kind of iike "buggest".....
Posted by: Patsi | February 7, 2008 10:20 PM
Patsi
Buggest works for me.
I mostly think of Independents as those who will swing Republican or Democrat depending on their mood. The wing nuts in both parties are a different animal.
I think we have seen a shift of independents into the Democratic party and a shift out of the Republican party to Independent. such a shift will ,by definition , make all more conservative.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | February 7, 2008 10:57 PM
ALL power was out for miles, extending to surrounding towns, so I just now returned from the supermarket. Dinner was a PBJ by light of the hurricane lamp.
Now I'm starvin'.
When Craig was injured, some of us posted ideas and thoughts , and I recommended a folding cane, like I use all the time. Craig's cane looks exactly like mine. I got rid of a bunch of my homemade walking sticks and am now down to about a dozen.
Posted by: Dexter
| February 8, 2008 12:01 AM
Craig, you & CQ sure did whip up something GOOD! Excellent video. Your foot thingy looks kinda like a Star Wars Storm Trooper thang.
LAMO @ cable anne!!
I kinda think of Dex as Jack Cafferty, too.
*ducking*
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| February 8, 2008 12:25 AM
Some say I look like Charles Grodin, TT...but with a shaved beard and totally shaved head now, I look like Uncle Fester.
Here's my photo right after I found out Kucinich dropped out:
http://www.pastis.org/jade/ete02/cinetor1.gif
Posted by: Dexter
| February 8, 2008 12:35 AM
Stats:
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/delegates/index.html
Posted by: Dexter
| February 8, 2008 12:38 AM
*L* @ Dex!
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| February 8, 2008 1:14 AM
This is an exact quote of what Clinton said in a recent speech, regarding troops in Iraq. "I want them coming home within sixty days of my taking office."
Many, if not most most, would interpret this to mean that ALL the troops would be home within 60 days.
But if your "parse" it, that's not what she said. What it means is that she could BEGIN to bring them home within 60 days, a few each month, and claim she was honoring her commitment. In fact, what it really says is that she "WANTS" this to happen, not that she WILL do it.
She could leave the vast majority in Iraq all the way through the 2012 election, lest she be accused by the GOP of "losing" Iraq.
Bill & Hill manipulate language to mislead. It's the old "slick Willy" behavior, that never seems to go away.
And THAT'S why prgressives are voting for Obama. With Obama there is a CHANCE that things will change. With the Clintons, you KNOW what you are going to get: essentially conservative policies with a few tiny symbolic gestures in a progressive direction like parsley on a platter of raw meat.
And misleading speech, spin, and lies, 24/7.
Posted by: nash
| February 8, 2008 5:42 AM
"We won't get fooled again."
-The Who
Posted by: nash
| February 8, 2008 5:43 AM
re: Craig's cane
It could be worse. I had to use a "walker" once. I felt the cold breath of the angel of death on th back of my neck. (But he turned out to be a lousy chess player.)
Posted by: nash
| February 8, 2008 5:50 AM
who is the fool
Obama has stated that it is in the "national interest" of the United States to prevent Teheran from turning Iraq into "another Afghanistan." He is also on record as saying that a residual U.S. troop presence in Iraq will send a "clear message" to countries like Iran. Set against the background of these statements, his current insistence that he will contain Iran entirely through diplomacy seems somewhat tortuous. Two Pinocchios for him.
Posted by: fools in love | February 8, 2008 6:00 AM
On the menu this AM at Crawfordslist I-90 Truck Stop and Topless Bar (open 24/7/365):
The "Super-Delegate" special: 3 eggs, any style, sausage, bacon, home fies, whole wheat toast dripping with real butter, Trappist Monastery blueberry preserves (a prayer spoken over every jar) and a "bottomless" cup of Starbucks coffee.
Actually, the cup isn't bottomless, but our waitstaff is. Please tip them generously as they are of the "millenial" generation and face a life of low-paying jobs with no benefits. Either that or law school. In any case, it's not a life that offers much hope.
Posted by: nash
| February 8, 2008 6:03 AM
Hope? Hope? Did someone say "Hope"?
Posted by: sturgeone | February 8, 2008 6:05 AM
Good morning, FOL.
Have a 16 oz Starbucks. Maybe that will get your neurons firing properly. And please pass the (real 100% made in Maine by Norman Rockwell characters) maple syrup.
Posted by: nash
| February 8, 2008 6:08 AM
Sorry Sturgeone:
Hope is just a town in Arkansas.
Posted by: nash
| February 8, 2008 6:09 AM
Oh no.....they arrested Mike the Electrician and Lenny the Conductor......
Posted by: sturgeone | February 8, 2008 6:10 AM
Mika's got a long skirt on today, with the shiny black leather boots for the fetish demographic.
Jackie, the weather chick has more PC screens than a global commodities trader.
Posted by: nash
| February 8, 2008 6:27 AM
Why do I feel like I am sitting in an audience of The Oprah Winfrey Show?
Posted by: EuroTom
| February 8, 2008 10:31 AM
I don't get it: what's the "great wind of change" that Obama is going to bring to America? The change that Marion Barry didn't bring to D.C.; the change that Dinkins didn't bring to NY, but did DO to NY'ers? The change that Ray Nagin didn't bring to New Orleans?And don't forget the "change" which that guy in L.A. brought, because we don't even remember his name--just the riots. Evoking the distinguished names of R.F.K. and Dr. King only takes us back, not forward. Think for a second: who REALLY brought race into the campaign? Bill Clinton was "the first black president." Let's elect the first female black president.
Posted by: Ray | February 8, 2008 11:01 AM
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