Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

No one ever regrets looking pretty. : )

No, I am not ready to think about twenty-twelve...it seems just like yesterday when Hillary with her twenty million dollar war chest was touted as inevitably the next president.

I was totally shocked as Clinton seemed more like president of the BO fan club than his challenger. The handshake was the kiss of death to 2008...and I bet her campaign were shattered, and I bet surprised at how the air went out of the balloon just THAT QUICK...over and done with.

*gigglesnorts* I read that "president of the BO fanclub" there Dex and snorted soda out of my nose (ow). Yes, mentally I'm still 8 years old.

Anyhoo, here's another video for you all. It's from The Onion and EVERYONE should watch it. Funny cuz it's true...

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/poll_bullshit_is_most_important?utm_source=embedded_video

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Just saw Samantha Power, Sr. Foreign Policy Advisor to Barack, on Charlie Rose.

She is one of the wisest and smartest women I have ever heard speak. She gets it.

"We make bad judgments when we're afraid."

"To turn the Iraqi people into something more than a slogan - but actually a focus of policy attention is something Obama understands."

Pretty good debate tonight. I thought they went toe-to-toe. Obama did better on Foreign Policy, Commander in Chief issues, and jokes. Clinton did better on being a "fighter" and Healthcare and even had herself a New Hampshire moment (but overplayed her hand on the silly plagiarism charge).

Obama made clear he is ready to take on McCain and be President. And Hillary made clear she is ready to take on the Republicans on Healthcare in the Senate.

A good night for the Democrats.

Obama Plays Politics Usual Card

"What's even more jarring about the Obama camp sending this stuff around is that it came at a moment in the debate when Clinton extended her hand to him, also saying how proud she was to be running in the race with him. He's never been that gracious, with lines like "you're likable enough, Hillary," all he can muster. And he pontificates that he's the one that can bring people together?"

http://www.taylormarsh.com/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/02/clinton-loses-pretty-in-pivota.html#comment-39842

FUNNY? AND TRUE! Uh...Julia...you weren't talking about Trail Mixers, now WERE you?

I was very proud of Senator Clinton tonight..always strong, gracious, and fighting for universal health care.
Another donation to hillaryclinton.com tonight..

Julia, very funny as is the crawl across the bottom.

Another good video TM, Craig.

Inasmuch as politics involves politicing, I don't think HC has thrown in the towel yet.

tt

I've got to embed the Video TM's on mah blog.

tt

Craig...Forgot to mention it earlier, but your video from the last TM was fabulous! And this one is quite good, too!

Julia...That link you gave for The Onion is hilarious! And...oh, so frighteningly accurate! Thanks!

That Onion clip is a riot!

Craig:

I agree with the points in your video. Some in the Clinton camp might have an eye towards 2012 - but I suspect others may be realizing that Obama can be a positive change for the Democratic Party. One that increases their chances to win the White House as well as their power to get things done once they're there.

And HC invoked a John Edwards *sigh* sentiment again tonight.

Here's about JE.

"Mysterious Traveler Entrances Town With Utopian Vision Of The Future"

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/mysterious_traveler_entrances

tt

tt...

I watched that one, too. Enjoyed it! Too bad he's not the leading candidate, huh?

YES harborwoman.

*weeping*

tt

As usual she was a total winner and totally classy...Standing next to her, he looked somehow a tad petty.....She has a good chance in Texas and Ohio I think....I am proud to be a supporter of hers...

The embedding, she is done.

http://patterns2.blogspot.com/

tt

Craig,

Normally, I agree with your assessment. However, on the issue of Hillary signalling that an imminent withdrawal is in the works, I disagree.

Sure, she has considered that possibility if she loses March 4th. That is a no brainer to anyone.

But, I think that this is another one of those "New Hampshire" moments where she shows her genuine side. Perhaps it is because I am female, but I think this will play very well with women.

Obama, in my opinion, is beginning to look stale. Maybe I watch both too much, but he repeats the same tired old lines. So does she most of the time. That is why that last answer tonight was so important. She showed a different side. It is one that we do not see too often.

Craig,

One last thing... when does the Rezko trial start? I recall that it is supposed to start soon. Is it still on for the end of this month, or has it been rescheduled?

I agree with Jan-- didn't see Hillary's being gracious as an admission of defeat. That's how it'll be spun no doubt. But there is smply no way a democrat can get tough with him or they'll get called racist. That's how this primary has come down. "Don't Destroy THE Dream"

That's the thing that is sickening to me, how race has been misused.

HILLARY is in OHIO today.....Toledo.....we are having lots of snow ...I hope she can still have her RALLY. Last night I think she looked like she felt sorry for him I know this probably doesn't make sense but I really felt like she didn't want to take him down, I think she REALLY LIKES THIS GUY, and she can't take down her friend. She would hold her breathe when he answered... AND WE ALL KNOW SHE COULD OF SHOWED HIM UP.

I don't understand why everyone is saying her comments were conciliatory. I think the netroots WANTS Clinton to step down but that it is not going to happen before March 4th. And I believe Clinton has every intention of working her hardest to win OH and TX even if will be a challenge. I think she realizes that she has a tough week ahead of her but her last comment was absolutely wonderful.
I am a Clinton supporter and I do not believe Obama will be a good president. I'm sure if I feel that way so does Hillary. She believes she is the better candidate. If she is even thinking that her candidacy is over she is already thinking ahead to 2012. I also would rather not have Clinton as VP because I want Obama to lose to McCain so he is permanently out of the picture and Clinton has a chance in 4 years.
Clinton's biggest mistake was not getting rid of Solis-Doyle sooner. If she had the money and a better strategy to fight in caucus states she wouldn't be in this predicament but no one would've imagined that Obama would turn his campaign into a religious cult. Clinton will either win in OH and TX or she will withdraw in hopes that Obama loses and she can come back in 4 years. That's what I'm hoping for.

" I do not believe Obama will be a good president."

I don't either. But I do think his band of believers will soon have "O" The President stickers on their SUVs. IF he can slide by McCain.

By the way, can MoJo and company be ANY more outraged on behalf of McCain?

Oh Lord...just turned on Morning Joe...Scarborough and Mika are STILL talking about John McCain.

This story must be a turn on for JS...maybe he is getting that Chris Matthews feeling in his leg!!

Guess I was watching a different debate. The very example Craig used about meeting with enemy dictators is a perfect example of why Obak Borama would be as big a failure as W.

Obak gave the Cliff's notes answer. Hil'ry gave all of the nuance; groundwork has to be done ahead of time to see how to handle it & what we hoped to get out of the meeting. He's a putz in sheep's clothing.

Why, exactly, did the media jump all over the handshake? If a woman is strong she's seen as a witch-with-a-b and if she's not, she's seen as passive/resigned to defeat? Ridiculous.

Will there be a debate with HRC, JSM and BHO?

patsi - "O" The President bumper stickers? Heck, I'm waiting for "O" The Musical.

First things... Craig - Nice Video TM... Outstanding - next need to Podcast the CQ.

Another view - If in the heart of hearts HRC and Willie are fighters, then watch out. Was last night a set up for sucker punch later? Is the nuclear option about to come?
Time will tell if indeed Craig is correct and HRC is hitting the escape pod. Part of me says No Way - and if she is going to be President - she will need to save the day NOW - as if she does not fight back then I do not see this as helping in 2012. Surrender is weak

The plagiarism thing.

Both campaigns seem to miss the point--that it's a fraud on the public passing off someone else's thought and words as your own. We are the ones who will buy into a dream based on the inspirational competence of the candidate. We are the ones who are cheated.

In politics, unattributed words such as those presented by Mr Obama demean the process.

debate?..... there was a debate last night?....

didn't watch a single second of it.....
I did scroll through the comments from last night to find Craig's analysis......

and Craig..... I agree.... I too think the "establishment" has won..... they want McCain to be president..... and by golly they're doing everything in their power to get him..... this current scandal crappola won't stick..... unless "the powers that be" really want Romney and they are the ones "creating" this scandal in order to bring Romney back....

whatever.... it will be interesting to watch....

Is it safe? I think I need to start asking that before I begin posting nowadays! Letterman had quite a few jokes about McCain last night. Jokes concerning what he looks like. Jokes such as:

"McCain looks like a guy who screws up the remote and asks "Why the Hell are all the channels in Spanish?!"

"McCain looks like a guy who gets arrested for mowing his lawn while under the influence."

Corey,
That's why so many people relate to McCain ;)

I relate to McCain because he likes women a lot! LOL!

McCain

Why don't people realize that it's a special experience when an older person, of either sex, has a collegial mentoring relationship with a significantly younger professional of either sex?

Well Craig I guess I have to disagree with you. She was NOT conceding defeat. There is ONLY 60 delegates between them. Check the math.
I have listened to both for months, as much as possible and he does NOT have his own words in anything. Even last night, he was stealing her words that she has said throughout the months. Example.
on illegal aliens, "coming out of the shadows". She coined that months ago.
"universal" health care. That has been coined by her.
What she did last night was show her diplomacy and intelligence and class. He is a loser as far as I am concern. As an Ohio working for her, she will WIN Ohio,close in TX and win PA.
She will also will win the New England states.

On McCain, has anyone else noticed that Cindy NEVER leaves his side? She is ALWAYS in the picture. What is that about?

On McCain, has anyone else noticed that Cindy NEVER leaves his side? She is ALWAYS in the picture. What is that about?

I am with you DisenfranchisedVoter. I cannot vote for Obama. Hope McCain buries him and his cult and then we can have a real President in 2012. In the meantime, remember sometimes you get what you pray for and then repent

Carol: I participate in an online investment club with several working women my age (late 30's.) Many of them are Hillary supporters. This morning several of them had left postings that they believe Hillary is gracefully exiting with a gamble that Obama will lose in November and she will run again in 2012. Some of these women are considering a vote for McCain in November in an attempt to defeat Obama.

Question: Will this become a movement amongst Hillary's strongest demographic, older women? Can you imagine Marcia Pappas and other NOW leaders voting for Barack Obama after all that has happened?

Personally, I have no interest in being in Iraq for hundreds of years so that pretty much rules out John McCain for me.

Even if Obama is elected, there is no guarantee that our troops will get to come home.

We only have BHO's campaign promise(his words), telling everyone that he will get our troops out of Iraq.

As I always say...like ALL politicians, he is saying what we want to hear, in order to get elected...blah, blah, blah...

If it BO and McC in November, the running mate choices are going to critical.

The plagiarism thing.

Flatus, your Republican government has perpetrated significant frauds upon us yet I hear nary a peep of outrage towards any of them, like Katrina, the war in Iraq, our economy, habeus corpus, domestic spying etc. If you are going to push your Republican agenda, at least fully disclose first.

John McCain is the fraud now. He will try to run on family values, even though he dumped his first wife, the women who cared for his kids and prayed for him daily while he was a POW. He dumped her for a far wealthier, younger woman.

He is for law and order, yet he had no problems intervening on behalf of his wife to keep her out jail after she was caught stealing prescription drugs. Why Rush still doesn't support them is beyond me.

He used public matching funds as collateral for a loan for his campaign. Though not illegal, isn't it odd that Mr. campaign finance reform would use our money for a personal loan?

He flip flopped on torture, taxes, immigration. Sounds like he is saying anything he can to win.

You may think Obama is cultish but I give the man credit for having the same message.

Anyone who would go from a Hillary vote to McCain, to me, doesn't really care about Hillary's issues. If you were worried about the Supreme Court, you would cringe at the thought of McCain picking his own Alito. You should cringe at the 3 headed war...Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran. Our further decline in world prestige. I find it laughable that "Democrats" would basically shooting the classroom because their kid brought home a B+ and someone else got an A.

But then, why should we limit hypocrisy to just the candidates.

Julia,

This isn't a Hillary defense but in line with my theme about the constant bashing she has taken from the media. Did you notice in the Onion piece that the only candidate mentioned was Hillary and the only picture of a candidate was of Hillary with Bill?

Oh, Lord...talking about HRC saying, "we will be fine..."

Did Mika actually just say(and I am paraphrasing),..."we thought HRC might have been plagiarizing John Edwards' words, but we ran both clips and they didn't quite match up."???

HRC media bashing...uh, ya think???

"If it BO and McC in November, the running mate choices are going to critical."

Absolutely.

Bear -- it was Barack Obama who first started floating the idea that unless he was the nominee his supporters would stay home or vote Republican. And THAT is a fact. So don't try to hang that whole concept on Hillary's people just because a few feel that way now. He has tried to be divisive from day one, while aping GW Bush's "I'm a uniter" idea.

I rewatched there are tiny blips of Giuliani and Edwards who are already out, but only her name is used in the ending.

Ok am I the only one who didn't really like The Onion video?

Linda,

Politico ran a story and KO picked it up at the start of his post debate show that the finish that HRC used was paraphrasing a common refrain from John Edwards.

I think Obama himself has said that he can get all of Hillary's votes but she can't get all of his so the idea of people staying home or going McCain is hardly confined to a few HRC supporters.

Oops...Patsi. Just said the same thing you had said a few posts prior. Sorry! I responded to Bear before I read your response!

You may think Clinton for being an opportunist but I give the woman credit for having a consistent message.

Anyone who would go from a Barack vote to McCain, to me, doesn't really care about Barack's issues. If you were worried about the Supreme Court, you would cringe at the thought of McCain picking his own Alito. You should cringe at the 3 headed war...Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran. Our further decline in world prestige. I find it laughable that "Democrats" would basically shooting the classroom because their kid brought home a B+ and someone else got an A.

But then, why should we limit hypocrisy to just the candidates.

ally,
This is the problem, people are giving up on her because the media has already made him president.
I have no doubt she will get the nomination. He has not been scrutized and let me tell you once that happens he is done. I won't go into things on here.
The media has intervened biasly and that is terrible.The country will suffer because of it.
Mika is an poor in my opinion.

Corey, why is unsafe to post here? I'd say you got a good 4 hours safe yet.

Look, it is not over until it is over. I am a Senator Obama convert, and I would love to see him get the nomination, but the reason why I don't think we can count Senator Clinton out is that there is still a goodly amount of the population who do not believe that Obama could take the vote in the general election that he would need to compete against McCain, even though there is a goodly amount of us who don't want the establishment back in, but want a completely fresh start. (Pardon me for the Proustian long-winded sentence but that is how I am feeling about Senator Obama - breathless)!

I think Obama himself has said that he can get all of Hillary's votes but she can't get all of his so the idea of people staying home or going McCain is hardly confined to a few HRC supporters.

Posted by: Ally | February 22, 2008 9:19 AM

Yes, and this is when I decided that I would not vote for Obama if he got the nomination... because of the arrogance of his statement. BUT... Bear makes a very good point. The Supreme Court liberals are getting closer to the days when "life support" will need to be administered to keep them going.

But, to be honest, I remain TOTALLY committed to Hillary. IF she and Obama join forces on the ticket, I will be there with BELLS ON.. figuratively speaking. At this point I'd welcome Hillary as the vice-presidential candidate. If Hillary is not part of the ticket, I really will have a hard time casting a vote for Mr. Obama.

Oh and I don't like that the potential new president is 2 years younger than me DAMMIT :-) ... Also i keep thinking about Michelle's comments that he smells bad in the morning and snores horribly, or something like that. It's not really a "presidential" image you want in your head. LOL LOL LOL...

decisions, decisions.

If it gets boring again, we can all go back to discussing the soaps...

Ladies,

I agree with your sentiments but you must consider he was saying that after Mr. Clinton was marginalizing his early primary victories, especially in states with large black populations.

I would like to think that if he lost the nomination to her and didn't help her win the general, he would realize that his future on the national stage would be gone.

If the candidates truly believe they are trying to improve things, they should just shut the F up and make sure the party wins in November.

In sales, you realize that you can't make as much as you want on every deal. 75% of something is a hell of a lot better than 100% of nothing

mornin' all.

I think warren summed it up well in his 1:04 post - good night for the dems. I certainly cringed at the change you can xerox line - I hope whoever came up with that is on the bricks this morning. But she ain't conceding, Craig.

Tip, LOL at the Onion clip on the traveler you linked - particularly love the crawl.

Carol, Cindy never leaves his side because she's afraid he'll find another version of her that is the age she was when he found her. My wife last night saw her first picture of Iseman and said, and I quote "My God, they could be twins." I mentioned to her that they could be twins but for the difference in their ages. But really, JMc has got to be thinking his lucky stars this came up to distract the media from his public campaign financing pledge and his potential illegal opting out after using the public campaign funds as collateral for a loan of private campaign funds.

Bear

I was watching MSNBC(my personal train wreck)earlier, when JS and MB were trying to make the HRC "we will be fine" vs the JRE (paraphrasing)"this son of a mill worker will be fine" plagiarizing argument stick.

They both agreed that it didn't quite match up(but those crazy kids tried their darnedest to make it so).

OK..so, so far the words HRC obviously cannot say are:
be
can
fine
we
will
yes

anymore?

I think Obama himself has said that he can get all of Hillary's votes but she can't get all of his so the idea of people staying home or going McCain is hardly confined to a few HRC supporters.

Posted by: Ally | February 22, 2008 9:19 AM

Yes, and this is when I decided that I would not vote for Obama if he got the nomination... because of the arrogance of his statement. BUT... Bear makes a very good point. The Supreme Court liberals are getting closer to the days when "life support" will need to be administered to keep them going.

I had to chuckle when I read that Euro and Co. We often bemoan that candidates don't tell us what they are personally thinking. They are too rehearsed. He makes a statement, which is unfortunately based in some fact if you get into the depths of the polling and he is being bludgeoned with it...

I am scared to death at what McCain will do to the court...

Also, is anyone else wondering if McCain should be the new Ariel Sharon? I don't wish him in health in the least, but I do remember some whispers in Israel about Sharon's health prior to his last election...

Craig, what are the rules if something were to happen to either candidate after the nominating conventions?

Corey -- the other day you mentioned other message boards and how evil they can get. I used to read a bunch of aol boards....one of them got closed down over Elian Gonzalez....and then a music board I sometimes read went ballistic over what happened with the Dixie Chicks. Of course, Clear Channel had them banned and some stations held parties in their parking lots to run a bulldozer over their CDs. The Chicks were getting death threats. This was back before a lot of people realized Bush is a lunatic. Those of us who defended the Chicks were basically told to get the hell out of America. The music boards finally put an end to ANY political references. Back when Merle Haggard said he supported Hillary and even wrote a song for her, someone mentioned it and the board host removed the post!

Linda,

She can say "is" depending on how she defines it...lol

Julia's 1:30 am post

OMG

I AM ROFLMAO

ET, so far, it looks that way. :-{)

ROTFLMAO @ Bear!!

TOUCHE!!!

mega millions lottery tonight: 270 million...yikes

Participating states: California, Georgia, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Texas, Virginia, or Washington.

The Onion piece is on my blog as well, but I added commentary to tie it to the article "Betrayal" from yesterday.

Jan wrote at 3:11: "But, I think that this is another one of those "New Hampshire" moments where she shows her genuine side. Perhaps it is because I am female, but I think this will play very well with women."

Based on the e-mails I'm getting from Clinton campaign last night and this a.m. - I think it's her new strategy to see if she can get a bump out of it.

If she moves forward...she's going to have to spend the next week and a few days...not in large venues...but in town halls and diners (which I heard the guys over at Plays 2 Run saying was her best bet anyway - a week ago).

I still agree with Craig though at the core of it. It's so late to make this shift it really is just losing pretty and they are setting the 2012 campaign up.

Warren - best of luck - I know you're feeling optimistic about BOs chances in November but the McCain story is D.O.A. They're going to have 9 months to kick his teeth in like they did John Kerry.

Oh and just one more swipe at BO

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/002889.php

"Meanwhile, as I write this, CNN reports that the Obama people are circulating a comparison between a line from Clinton during the debate and a very similar line used by John Edwards. That seems contrary to the whole point of Obama's rebuttal to the "plagiarism" charges, which is that people don't care about or like this tit for tat stuff. I agree -- and the Obama campaign should cut it out too. It doesn't hurt Clinton at all and it undercuts Obama's credibility on political change, which is central to his candidacy."

I was watching the little CNN dial meter last night - this was a total bomb for Hillary - she should drop it and he should again stop acting like the hypocrit he is and drop it.

OK folks,

Have a good day...I'm off...I am not feeling well all of a sudden so I'm going to jump into the third world medical system down here...

Ok I think this is really funny...

It's a parody on the Mark Foley scandal. you've probably seen it before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd_lkdiWjto

And Patsi... LOL... you got the meaning of my comment !!!!

Bear...
the thought of a president McCain and the Supreme Court scares the craps out of me too.....

Patsi.... Rick and I never listened to country music until that whole flap happened over the Dixie Chicks..... we started buying their CDs..... really like them and are now exploring that music genre via the internet..... I've learned I really like the steel guitar....

1319 Obama
1250 Clinton That is 69 delegates, hardly a mandate for him. Lots more delegates to come including Fl and Mich. It is all about delegates. I think the party will have to make the decision.
I can see Clinton Pres, Obama VP and give him time to grow and not be so naive.

1319 Obama
1250 Clinton That is 69 delegates, hardly a mandate for him. Lots more delegates to come including Fl and Mich. It is all about delegates. I think the party will have to make the decision.
I can see Clinton Pres, Obama VP and give him time to grow and not be so naive.

Speak of the devil...

Hey ping pong...how have you been?

I just hear Paul Wellstone's name mentioned on MSNBC...how different would our country be if he were still alive?

Blue wrote "The very example Craig used about meeting with enemy dictators is a perfect example of why Obak Borama would be as big a failure as W."

I agree - he is naive and has no real grasp on foreign policy. I also don't agree that he won on the Cuba issue - was doing more back pedaling that making good points...again showing how naive he is.

Also...good news for Hillary supporters - there are always 2 republicans in between democrats - so based on the patterns of the past 30 years...McCain should win and only serve a 4 year term.

Hopefully the Obama's will keep their promise and not run again in 2012. Somehow I doubt that but one can HOPE.

:-D

oops I spoke too soon

ET: "Ok am I the only one who didn't really like The Onion video?"

I actually loved it - it's time to laugh a little - I didn't think the end was funny because we really know Obama is the king of Bull Shit - but the part about folks can get together on the internet and discuss bull shit was kind of funny . . . when you think about it.

"My wife last night saw her first picture of Iseman and said, and I quote "My God, they could be twins." I mentioned to her that they could be twins but for the difference in their ages."

Pogo -- I have often thought that Mrs. Pogo and I were on the same page....that's what I thought too.

Bear -- go take care of your health!

Renee --- The Chicks are wonderful...and what was done to them reprehensible.

"I am scared to death at what McCain will do to the court..."

I keep reading everyone using this politics of fear to convert Hillary supporters to their candidate.

I think the liberal judges everyone is so worried about will be just fine for 4 more years. They WON'T retire if McCain is President and probably they won't die. Stop trying to scare everyone.

Isn't that part of BOs message? We need the winds of change to stop the politics of fear! So why do his supporters continue down that path - has he taught you nothing?

I'm not worried about the supreme court...so that frees me up to write in Minnie Mouse or whomever else I want to write in.

I ain't scared of no ghosts!

Pogo,

Unlike many people here I really like the McCains, but your wife and I are on the same page. Yesterday, I told my boss, "What greater tribute to a current wife, than to hook up with someone who looks like she did twenty years ago?"

He was going to go home and try that sentiment on his wife, but I suggested it's best that it be a "silent" tribute.

Obama Tries to Hide Ayers Tie

"Ben Smith at Politico.com has the start of the story of Obama’s ties to an unrepentant former member of the Weather Underground, a terrorist group. It goes beyond Ayers just making a $200 dollar donation in 2001. Nope. Ayers helped raise funds for Obama. It all started in 1995:"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

Ed & Patsi - Mrs. Pogo would be honored to be in such good company.

You guys actually think that skank is prettier than Cindy McMain???

Lush, not me - she'' s just younger. Ask a 71 year old guy whether that matters. My bet is 9 of ten will say yes.

Amidst all our condolences to the Clinton family - and perhaps someone posted this yesterday and I missed it - in that case I'm sorry -

has anyone noticed the Gallup numbers starting to go back the other way?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104488/Gallup-Daily-Tracking-Election-2008.aspx

very interesting development.

Must stay tuned.

Change You Can’t Believe In

By Gabor Steingart in Washington
(Der Spiegel)

"The rise of democratic frontrunner Barack Obama signifies an alarming victory of style over substance. Not unlike the dot-com hype, his campaign promises more than he can deliver. The one thing his voters can count on is that they will ultimately be disappointed. "
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/20/can-they-list-his-qualifications-part-deux/

The Clinton campaign has this up on the web about the delegate count

http://delegatehub.com/

LOL @ pogo..I guess you are right!!

Wendy!, if you liked the Gallup daily polling results, you'll love this.

http://www.pollster.com/08-TX-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

ET: "Ok am I the only one who didn't really like The Onion video?"

In case you didn't see, I put up the Onion video but added commentary on my blog

http://jdurward.blogspot.com

New one for Tiptoe's Republican corruption list

Congressman Rick Renzi (R) indicted for corruption in land deal

Luscious,

I didn't mean to imply that she was prettier than Mrs. McCain, just similar. And as for name calling, the NY Times already labeled her "a lobbyist". I think "skank" is a step up, isn't it?

Wendy!,
"I'm not worried about the supreme court...so that frees me up to write in Minnie Mouse or whomever else I want to write in.

I ain't scared of no ghosts!"

Do you want the blood of thousands of more solders on your hands? Not to mention the billions of dollars wasted each month in Iraq that could be be better spent here or in foreign aid?

Just curious...

Hey, when's the fighting going to start in here? I got the peanuts, popcorn, and beer ready... :D

jamie, dear friend, thanks for that link.

Ed, you think your tribute line would work on a spouse? Juuusssstttt kiddddinnnggg.

dnd has a great point. You plagiarized that from me didn't you? :-{) Kidding - my saw is that the USSCt is all a dem needs to remember before tossing a vote out.

We have blood on our hands every day we stay dependent on foreign oil....

ET, say something negative about Obama and the bell will ring.

The guy who got kicked out of the other group I'm in runs the Pottersville Blog. Some of you've been there.

Pogo,
On advice of my council, I can neither confirm nor deny that I plagiarized that from you. ;)

Barack Obama: There Will Be Bamboozling

(Obama is a fraud - what does it take to convince you?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU&eurl=http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/20/there-will-be-bamboozling/

Here's Krugman's Friday take on the economy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/opinion/22krugman.html?hp

I watched Today for a while this morning - there are 23,000 condos currently for sale in Miami, and 25,000 are expected to come onto the market soon. Remember, Miami has a home ownership rate of only about 50%. Condos bought 2 years ago are on the market for about 90% of what they were puchased for then - and they are not selling and Miami is becoming known as foreclosure city. Think this is an isolated thing? Think again.

OMG...ROTFLMAO @ EdVB!!!!

dnd says, turning back to the microphone after whispering to the well dressed man beside him. :-{)

Gordo - I can't open streaming sites here, but my advice to you - duck and cover.

I didn't get the Onion video. I guess the joke was saying the word "Bullsh*t" over and over again.

" I think there is a very good chance that Hillary will be the next VP. "

It would be madness for her to accept that spot. Something like agreeing to marry a wifebeater.

I watched the ending of the debate last night. Did BHO try to get up and Campbell said, "no"(sit there like a nice man and bask in the stand "O" for HRO)???

It's friday evening here, but I am off for a nap... been an exhausting week. Will check in later and cheers all...

*standing "O"

Corey

The joke was that virtually everything you hear about the campaigns on cable TV is BS while the real news gets totally ignored except for the ribbon running on the bottom of the page and the cancellation of the show at the end about Saving Africa.

It was a slam at this not doing the job that is supposed to be part of their public trust and using satire to do it.

Name One Accomplishment of Barack Obama

(When asked, they are unable to name any.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m01NyUlyjfE&NR=1

Yeah , but we all know that already , Jamie. :)

http://www.twincities.com/ci_8327303?source=most_emailed
A President Obama would mean a much bigger, more intrusive and costlier government. Indeed, when considering his policies, one searches in vain for any break with liberal orthodoxy. Personal accounts for Social Security? Entitlement reform? School choice? Obama rejects them all, calling such proposals "Social Darwinism."
That's a lot less inspiring than Obama the candidate.

The best choice of all three is Hillary!!

I think I get it......Barack Obama is being set up to be the sacrificial lamb.......president in ' 08.......the next president is really in a no win situation, and the more inexperienced the next president the better for the "powers" who run around behind the facades erected for the public to view.......they build him up over hillary.....then they smack McCain.....obama becomes president and they have 4 years to rip him to shreds and show how incompetent the democrats are in leading the country.......
Maybe Obama will show them wrong in their assessments......maybe not......it's the GOP's best shot, though......

"Yeah , but we all know that already , Jamie. :)"

But we are all smarter than most of the people taking the coverage seriously. :-)

Obama is wrong and a little racist like when i say hello to a black person and they just keep on going well i don't do that anymore by the way did'nt obama do that to hillary the fisrt day he came into the senate chambers for the first time anyway he is wrong to say that hillarys supporters will vote for him i will not i voted republican for many years and hillary is the only dem worth a dam or should i say has backboneanyway go hillary or go mcain.

Craig and to all clinton supporters,

maybe the reason why hilliary was concillitory and toned down last night was because she was surprised to see Barack at the debate last night....hmmmm! some maybe wondering what im talking about please read the following article http://www.star-telegram.com/667/story/486413.html.

a famous british writer (her name escapes me at the moment) said she is convinced that Obama will be assasinated before the white establishment allow a black man to become prez of the united states and the face of america for the next four or eight years. a friend of mine who is well connected to the Obama campaign told me this morning that there is going to be a major fallout both privately and publicly from what happened in dallas, major fallout! is it beyond the powers-that-be to assasinate Obama i would think not. rememebr this is the america that has assasinated many great people. even allowing a young man flying a private airplane to be flown into the white house while clinton was president. this story will have a lot of traction over the coming days and Obama better supplement the secret service protection with his own security. the secret service ordering the weapons screening machine to be shut down so that the crowd could hastily enter the arena to hear Obama speak were begging for or arrangiing for a diaster to take place. for this to happen last wednesday in this day and time with loonies and al-queda and crazy KKK folks is scary, unacceptable, and beyond accidental, there is much much more to this story. stay tuned!

Geez, Patsi,I didn't realize you said so many stupid things. Been critical of the golden boy, have you? :-{)

"......it's the GOP's best shot, though......"

Sturgeone, The way Texas Republicans are switching parties and voting for Obama in the early voting, you might not be wrong.

I doubt that folks who voted en mass for GWB suddenly had a massive change of heart and switched to someone with a 100% liberal rating.

Dallas is usually such a safe place for Presidents to be! I don't get it!

jamie......and should mcCain happen to somehow actually win.......so much the better.......win/win for the gop.

Paul Volcker endorses Obama!
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/whalen/

jamie, you are soooo cynical. Of course they have had a change of heart. I'm sure that Kay Bailey Hutchinson is already shining up her red boots to dance on stage with Barry. GS

" it's time to start moving into general election mode. "

Don't you think we might allow the 15 or so states to hold elections before crowning his majesty.

Wendy,

My mention of the Supreme Court isn't to scare Clinton supporters to vote for Obama, it's to scare intelligent Democrats into voting for whomever the Democratic nominee is...unless that person were Zell Miller or Joe Lieberman...

I am still shocked that the lever next to Lieberman was the first I ever pulled in a legal election...

Pogo,
"And if you think that handshake was a concession,"

Look at the tape. It was Obama who shook Hillary's hand after she said how honored she was to be there with him.

I wonder what caused the crash of the officer escorting the Clinton campaign.

Here is some campaign news from the Fort Worth Star Telegram. Some sad news is that one of the policeman in the Clinton motorcade died in a traffic accident this morning. May he rest in peace...

http://www.star-telegram.com/

Apparently, HRC had a rally in Oakcliff, an area of South Dallas which is heavily black and latino and is described by some locals as less safe than parts of Iraq...

She will be at the Fort Worth Court House later today...I'll go check it out and report back what I see!

From GORDO: “Name One Accomplishment of Barack Obama

(When asked, they are unable to name any.)”

SEN. CLAIRE MCCASKILL (D), MISSOURI, OBAMA SUPPORTER: Well, he‘s accomplished a great deal in a very short period of time, whether it was working with Senator Lugar in terms of securing loose nukes, loose nuclear weapons, around the world, whether it was his efforts with Senator Coburn to open up the records of spending of government to the people on the Internet.

Obviously, one that I cared very much about, he was the first senator to effectively go after the wounded warriors disgrace at the Walter Reed Hospital and got a great deal of his initial legislation, the first senator to file that legislation, got most of that passed into law within a matter of months. And then obviously, the one that‘s right in Senator McCain‘s back yard, earmark reform.

I think that if we‘re going to talk about who is capable of bringing people together—even though Senator McCain has a good record in terms of looking down his nose at earmarks, he was not able to accomplish the kind of reform on transparency that Senator Obama was able to accomplish in a very short period of time after he arrived in the Senate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23275784/

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2008/02/22/daily_texan_endorses_clinton.html
The Daily Texan, the student newspaper at the University of Texas, gave Sen. Hillary Clinton its endorsement for president Friday in the wake of Sen. Barack Obama saying in Thursday’s debate at UT that he’s swung the editorial backing of every major Texas newspaper.

Excellent editoral

A little more news. It was a female officer. She was running ahead of the motorcade to block off the next intersection and apparently lost control on the downslope of the bridge.

Texas people: Is it icy?

Jamie,

The way people drive down here, I wouldn't be shocked to hear he got rammed by a driver...

But it is cold this morning, so he might have caught some black ice too...

Must say that every single day I run into people here in Central Ohio who say they are voting for Obama. I am surprised at the ones who tell me this. My best friend and I do not bring up politics because she and her husband are wealthy, hard-nosed Republicans. When we talk about it, well you know what happens. But, yesterday she told me she and husband are both voting for Obama. It floored me. I hear that every day. So, you Hilliary supporters may be surprised at the outcome. I’ve always said and many pundits also say this – that Hilliary is best in the Senate.

Obama can beat Weathervane McCain. The independents and middle-of-the-road Repugs will not vote for McCain. And, you watch; there will be more coming out about the affair because I don’t believe McCain’s words were authentic and compelling enough for me to believe.

Vicki Iseman seems to really get around Washington!!!

http://www.rightpundits.com/?pp_album=main&pp_cat=&pp_image=Vicki_Iseman.jpg

Those are inclined to react rather than respond can ignore this.

Jonathan Martin has a piece up today on Politico which explores the similarities between the Obama campaign's "will not dignity with response" non-response to this week's "proud of my country" taffy pull:

"And as of now, Wednesday morning, Michelle Obama has made no public comments nor issued any statement to stop the bleeding. Only Obama campaign advisers have sought to explain away an obvious gaffe.

"Now, the Obama camp can make the case that her comments are being distorted and that they don't want to legitimize their right-wing tormentors by having Michelle apologize or even clarify the statement.

"After all, the mainstream media hasn't exactly pounced on the affair. The New York Times, for example, had just a small story deep in the paper today, completely overshadowed by Obama's success last night.

"It all sounds familiar, doesn't it?

"Kerry and his top aides didn't want to elevate the attacks of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by forcefully rebutting them. And the Swifties didn't exactly garner much attention when they launched their campaign in the summer of 2004. The elite newspapers and network newscasts initially gave them only the most cursory mention. Plus, Kerry was riding high after his military-bedecked convention. Why dignify a few fringe voices?"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0208/Obama_not_yet_wise_to_Freak_Show.html

Objectively... the late trickle of "what she meant was..." doesn't really cut through or quiet the wake of the swifthopers.

New wavers... the toxic riptides are here. And one candidate is still frolicking in that sweet blue Hawaiian surf.

As Duvall's character chanted... "Charlie don't surf!"

But does anyone remember seeing a helicopter crashed into a tree as the gunboat goes up river much later in Apocalypse Now... and that a body hangs from that tree wearing a cavalry hat and scarf identical to Duvall's?

Nope. Charlie just shoot you down while you surf.

News about the crash...

http://cbs11tv.com/local/clinton.motorcade.crash.2.660392.html

(This is the Obama campaign response to his "words" problem. Absurd.)

"The Obama campaign clearly went into panic mode when they heard the extraordinarily passionate and personal answer Senator Clinton gave at the end of the debate. Senator Clinton's response demonstrated why she’ll be the next President which is why the Obama campaign is now attacking her for using a common English phrase in that answer – “whatever happens, we’re going to be fine.” - Clinton campaign"

http://www.taylormarsh.com/

Link for a live blog from the local CBS station following HRC. If you read the entries, you will see a new scandal brewing...

http://cbs11tv.com/politics/live.blog.clinton.2.660339.html

Just saw that the female cop who was in the motocade has died. So sorry about this.

OK - this is kind of funny since it appears the Obama campaign - despite proclaiming the higher ground on tit for tat (or whatever he said) continues to pursue a claim of plagiarisms over Clinton using a common phrase (LOL):

Laura Bush: 'Whatever happens will be fine' [El Paso Times, 5/19/00]

NBA Star Shaquille O'Neal: ‘We'll be fine, no matter what happens.’ [AP, 10/8/03]

Actress Lindsay Lohan: ‘No matter what happens, we're going to be fine.’ [AP, 4/19/07]

Former Redskin Dexter Manley: 'Whatever happens, I'm going to be fine.' [Washington Post, 7/26/98]

Former Redskin Gus Frerotte: 'I look forward to whatever happens. We're going to be fine.' [Washington Times, 12/22/98]

Notre Dame football player Tom Zbikowski: 'Whatever happens, we're going to be fine back there.' [Notre Dame football player Tom Zbikowski, 4/22/07]

Angels GM Bill Stoneman: 'Whatever happens, I'm going to be fine.' [Los Angeles Times, 2/22/03]

Former Giant Christian Peter: 'And whatever happens, I'm going to be fine.' [Asbury Park Press, 1/29/01]

Chicago Cub Larry Rothschild: 'I'm not worried about that. Whatever happens, I'm going to be fine.' [St. Petersburg Times, 4/1/01]

Diamondback Edgar Gonzalez: 'Whatever happens, I’ll be fine because I’m in the big leagues.' [Edgar Gonzalez, Diamondbacks, 5/2/07]

Hockey player Richard Hamula: 'Whatever happens I'll be fine with but hopefully I can still stick around here.' [Richard Hamula, hockey player, 9/20/02]

Leonard Hamm, interim commissioner for the Baltimore City Police Department: ‘Whatever happens, I’m going to be fine.’ [Baltimore Afro-American, 11/19/04]

The guy who sat in front of me in homeroom from 1968-73 after the car whose window he was hanging out of rolled over while racing around the high school's traffic circle: "Don't worry, I'm fine."

Then he died.

Evidently the Clinton’s can’t handle money within their campaign so how could they manage the economy and a national budget? This has been a contention amongst their donors before saying “where is the money going” and the reason she has had trouble getting more donation. She would have had a better chance at this election if she did not have the slime bag Marc Penn running her campaign. “Dirt” does not sell especially with the dirt we’ve had these past few years.

“Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s latest campaign finance report, published Wednesday night, appeared even to her most stalwart supporters and donors to be a road map of her political and management failings.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23286123/

Wendy,

I think MLK has a variation of that line from his mountaintop speech to...

They should be harping on the Yes She Can! Then maybe complain that they are breathing the same air, talking to the same people on the same networks... god dammit, she better not eat Kentucky Fried Chicken, or McDonald's...

I would tell her to go to Kincaid's burgers...best I have had in Texas and they serve crinkle cut fries...

Screw the doctor's here...the only thing they are good for is free wifi...I'll see if I can post from her Fort Worth rally...there must be a ton of hot spots from where she will be!

Pogo wrote: "if you liked the Gallup daily polling results, you'll love this."

No don't love the TX polls

:-(

but that's why I'm staying tuned...perhaps poor Obama having to duck and weave all this little crap will give Clinton a chance to do her town halls where she can put her arms around the shoulders of everyday Americans as they tell her about their struggles.

As per my last post - Obama may be making a mistake by pursuing this so called tit for tat - he should just keep on keepin' on - as if Clinton doesn't matter anymore.

AP: "Republican Rep. Rick Renzi has been indicted for extortion, wire fraud, money laundering and other charges related to a land deal in Arizona."

And in the wake of Goldwater flows ever so much ethical sewage.

If you guys want to laugh...this is pretty funny...

Unflattering Campaign photos...I have seen at least one Seinfeld reference...How many more can we all find?!?

http://cbs11tv.com/slideshows/unflattering.candidate.photos.20.653283.html?rid=16

"fantasyville go for it"

No I just respect Democracy and the freedom of people to elect the representative they want. I may look at the current state of the cmpaigns and say it doesn't look good, but I also know that there are more than 1,000 delegates to be selected. Those states should be allowed to do it before the conquering hero moves in to 1600.

dnd wrote: "Do you want the blood of thousands of more solders on your hands?"

I'll refer you to my post about the politics of fear...

dnd, I may be thick this morning, but I don't get your meaning about the handshake.

Gordo - 11:12 post - new I don't know what he's done video

OUCH!

From the Life As It Should Be, A Popeye Cartoon And Not A Bunch Of Depraved Caricatures, Department:

America's true first female presidential candidate for all of us who watched (too much) TV growing up makes the promises worth keeping when Truman was running against Dewey. (Note that she promises both more sex AND racial equality!)

[Olive Oyl]
If I were president, if I were president,
There'd be at least ten months of June,
For folks to spend their honeymoon,
And night winds would all have the sweetest scent.
If I were president.

If I were president, if I were president,
Silk worms in every house would grow
And they would all be on the go
(In case there were a stocking accident).
If I were president.

There'd be lampposts like you've never seen.
And streets would all be spotless clean!

If I were president, if I were president,
I'd have a cure that would work right,
For those who couldn't sleep at night.
The time they spent awake would be well-spent.
If I were president. If I were president.

If I were president, if I were president,
The dogs whose habits all were strange
Would undergo a brand new change.
An all-day cone would cost a cent.
If I were president.

If I were president, if I were president,
Each bus would have a smoother run,
With lots of seats for everyone.
Apartments once again would be for rent.
If I were president.

There would be no wrangling anymore,
For drumsticks that fell short before.

If I were president, if I were president,
I'd pick up feminine morale,
And get a man for every gal.
More holidays would get my strong consent.
If I were president.

[Congress]
She's a jolly good female,
She's a jolly good female,
She's a jolly good female.
We love our president.

Man, some of you people are starting to make me angry again...

Saying you would vote for McCain really makes me question your commitment to a healthcare system not controlled soley by the free market or actually ending Bush's destructive Foreign Policy.

And when Obama said Hillary could not get some of the people voting for him - I suspect he meant the Independents and Republicans that were voting for him - NOT the Democratic base.

And the comments "hoping" that Obama's (or McCain's) first 4 years will be a disaster so that your girl has another shot in 2012 is a heck of a lot more unpatriotic than anything Michelle Obama said.

One of the main reasons I have supported Obama is that I think he more electable that Hillary.

Anyways, back to work. I also need to finish the list of bars for my B-day Bar Tour this weekend.

Bear,

I love the Obama "singing opera". Some of all the others are hilarious.

"I am still shocked that the lever next to Lieberman was the first I ever pulled in a legal election..."

Bear - I feel for you.

I'm not a hard core democrat - I've outlined my party affiliations before so I won't again. I have been considering Indie for many years now (well since the famous Kerry fold in '04) and only stuck it out for Hillary. I stuck with the dem candidate in 2004 because I was soooooo scared of a 2nd GWB term and we see how that turned out - I ended up having a panic attack on the night of the election as Kerry went down in flames (especially since the exit polls showed him as the next POTUS all day long).

I'm never going to let the democratic party dupe me like that again - if Obama is the nominee - we've all been duped...sorry. I feel no party loyalty.

anyone else who wants to post a boogeyman politics of fear line to try and convince me to stick with the democratic nominee can save it.

Bear, sorry I wasn't here to respond to your rants earlier this morning. But I'm back now, so...

McCain. Despite his being retired Navy and me being retired AF, he is still my brother. When someone attacks him (unfairly) they're attacking me. That's the way it is and that's the way it's always going to be.

That doesn't mean I will vote for him; time will tell. The campaigns are still in their infancy. I want to hear the rhetoric from the conventions before deciding who to vote for (assuming HC is not the candidate). If it is she, she definitely has my vote.

More on former Vietnam POWs. I've known perhaps 7 or 8 of them. One I knew well. Without exception they struggled in their recoveries from the brutalization of their captivity. The relations that they were in before their capture often did not have the same meaning after their release. That's a fact and it just has to be recognized as such. I try very hard to not be judgmental when the relationships failed post-release.

I have no trouble accepting the Congress being firmly in the control of one party and the Executive Branch under the other. If we have a genuine super majority in the Senate, the Supreme Court succession issue is moot. And, if we have super majorities in both houses, then we can control the legislative and budgetary agendas totally.

McCain is a realist. He will work to get along should he be elected.

I simply don't believe Mr Obama is the right person for the job. Perhaps if he spent a term as VP, then he would be seasoned to the point where I could eagerly accept him.

Hillary is my candidate.

A member of McCain's Leadership team in some legal trouble

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/renzi-indicted/

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23293603/

Karolena in response to your 11:33 post

This is a good post about MCCASKILL. She is the one he should be sending out to do all the talking as she has her talking points down.

The problem is when they talk to everyday supporters, it feeds into the Cult of Obama fears because these people really don't know what he's done. Other surrogates of Obama's as well aren't doing him any favors.

The interesting thing for me about her comments is that once she lists it all out...pretty thin resume in the end...has accomplished 3 or 4 things as a Senator...lead the way on one thing and decided well that's enough now I can lead the country.

But she is his best weapon - he needs to get rid of the rest of those yahoos.

Not sure what he's going to do about his flock as reporters begin to stick mics in their faces and say his big accomplishment is that he's inspirational...that's harder to control.

By SAM HANANEL, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Ralph Nader could be poised for another third party presidential campaign.

The consumer advocate will appear on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday. Nader launched his 2004 presidential run on the show.

I think if some of these Clintonites were really honest with themselves, they're particularly pissed that the best chance a woman had to win the nomination, she was being beaten by a black man. Yeah, I said it. And that's why you get all of the "I'm leaving the party to vote for McCain" a person who is diametrically opposed to everything Democrats stand for. There's no other logic to it, mainly because the differences between Barack and Hillary are minute. So why the ferocious hate of the man? It's illogical.

the weather in North Texas is cold but dry I doubt ice played any part of the motorcycle crash. Wish I knew more.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Time to lighten up folks, but it's all off the record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdvrIS7-wbk

For those who want a break from politics: an incredible, amazing and beautiful ballet that is so very different. The performers, husband and wife, took 8 years to create and perfect this performance. It is incredible. A friend just sent this to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5lN96dgt_Y

Alpha are u suggesting that some clinton supporters could be racists? far be it from anyone supporting the wife of the first black president

I don't know if anyone has seen this or posted it - but looks pretty cool. Probably a little too late but INSPIRATIONAL none the less

http://www.hillaryspeaksforme.com/

Yeah, Bill should have understood that this statement should have contained the caveat "compared to all of the other white presidents". Unfortunately, he thought it was to be taken literally.

Pogo said this, "Remember, Miami has a home ownership rate of only about 50%. Condos bought 2 years ago are on the market for about 90% of what they were puchased for then - and they are not selling and Miami is becoming known as foreclosure city. Think this is an isolated thing? Think again."

out in the West Phoenix has its own set of real estate issues also.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Wendy:

What has Clinton done? And don't point me to some website - or give me a list of "awards" that she has won. If Hillary's resume is so outstanding and her supporters are so superior and well-informed - let's see it.

(Of course you can simply dismiss my question like most Hillary supporters and simply point the finger back at Obama - this seems to be the go-to move from the Clinton camp).

Bear wrote: "They should be harping on the Yes She Can! Then maybe complain that they are breathing the same air, talking to the same people on the same networks... god dammit, she better not eat Kentucky Fried Chicken, or McDonald's..."

I agree...she bombed with this - he's bombing with this - let's move onto the next thing.

I'm all for breathing the same air controversy...that could be funny...I'm looking forward to the YouTube videos on that.

" think if some of these Clintonites were really honest with themselves, they're particularly pissed that the best chance a woman had to win the nomination, she was being beaten by a black man. Yeah, I said it."

Yeah, and you'd be wrong. I think the only color Barack is, is green. I think you are a true oinker, Alf. And it often comes through.

Sure Patsi. Whatever you say.

I second Flatus' 12:11 post - well said.

Warren

I'm off to a meeting but I take up your challenge and will post as soon as I get back - I promise...no Web sites.

I noticed this tidbit on MSNBC.com about the top divorce mistakes people make...

Not waiting until a wife is eligible for her husband's Social Security. If a couple is married for 10 years or more, a wife is entitled to receive half of her ex-husband's Social Security at retirement. The husband's Social Security payments are unaffected. It's ironic that the average length of marriage for people who get divorced is 9.6 years. Waiting just six months longer will increase retirement options for a wife with no reduction in her husband's payments.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/SuddenlySingle/Divorcing15CostlyMistakes.aspx?page=2

Nice dodge Wendy. Too bad that dude from TX could not get off so easily...

BTW,

HRC only spoke for about 5 mintues in Fort Worth. She did so to return back to Dallas to try and meet with the family of the police officer who died this morning...

http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex/

Back from lunch at Applebee's. Lunch was fine until 3 people near us started smoking. It sucks sitting in the non-smoking section of a restaurant , but being right next to tables that are in the smoking section. Now , my clothes reek of cigarettes. Why the hell can't all restaurants be smoke free?! End of rant.

dog - "warrior queen mode...strikes a deep chord with those on this blog..." What the...? I guess that means that the empty-headed spokesmodel mode appeals to the Obakrazies.

It's way beyond lack of experience; Obak has shown that he, personally, isn't responsible for accomplishing jack squat. Notice that he also drafted off of Hil'ry's applause last night. Whenever she got a response from the crowd, he started speaking, trying to attach himself to her success. He was positively parasitic.

And, I don't buy this, if he's been successful in one area of life, he'll make a good prez. Jeez, if he was a good lawyer (was he?), maybe he could do brain surgery or fly a plane, too.

Wendy - Thanks for the ballet clip. Amazing!

jamie - It's about 40 degrees in DFW.

A Conservative’s view of what Obama has done for those of you who say “what has he done?” Sorry is it so long but he has much!

Ethics and Lobbying Reform
Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has been a leader in fighting for open and honest government. During his first year as an Illinois State Senator, he helped lead the fight to pass Illinois’ first ethics reform bill in 25 years as a U.S. Senator, he has spearheaded the effort to clean up Washington in the wake of the Jack Abramoff scandal.

Ethic Related:
The Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission Act (S. 2259)
The Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act (S. 2261)
The Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (The CLEAN UP Act) (S. 2179)

Health Care
Senator Obama is a cosponsor of the Medicare Informed Choice Act (S. 1841), which would extend enrollment without penalty until the end of 2006. This bill would also allow all Part D beneficiaries to change their plan once during 2006.

He helped draft and introduce the National MEDiC Act (S. 1784)

He introduced the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program Efficiency Act (S. 2247)

He obtained $25 million for international efforts to combat the avian flu and called for an inter-agency task force to immediately address this issue. This funding is now being used to mitigate the effects of the pandemic in Southeast Asia.

Senator Obama introduced the Attacking Viral Influenza Across Nations Act (S. 969)

Environmental Health
Senator Obama pressured the Environmental Protection Agency to issue long overdue rules for home remodeling and renovation that could prevent 28,000 lead-related illnesses each year, resulting in an annual net economic benefit of more than $4 billion.

He also introduced the Healthy Communities Act (S. 2047)

Senator Obama introduced the Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act of 2006 (S. 3822)
Senator Obama introduced the Lead-Free Toys Act (S. 2048)

Senator Obama is also an original cosponsor of the Home Lead Safety Tax Credit Act (S. 2053)
Senator Obama has been a strong supporter of the Great Lakes Regional Collaboration and is a cosponsor of the Great Lakes Environmental Restoration Act (S. 508)
Senator Obama introduced two bills - the Mercury Market Minimization Act (S. 3627) and the Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act (S. 3631) These bills would significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.

Military Healthcare
Senator Obama successfully passed legislation in the Senate to force the Pentagon to work towards an efficient electronic medical records system that will help ensure better care for our nation’s troops.
Obama passed legislation in the Senate that requires all soldiers to be assessed for Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) after they return from deployments.

Fighting the Spread of Methamphetamines
Senator Obama cosponsored the Combat Meth Act (S. 103)
He supported the reauthorization of the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS)

Sex Offenders
Senator Obama cosponsored Dru’s Law (S. 792)

Violence Against Women
Senator Obama cosponsored extension of Violence Against Women Act (S. 1197), which passed the Senate on October 4, 2005, and was signed into law.

Chemical Plant Security
Senator Obama, working with Senator Lautenberg, introduced tough legislation to drastically improve security at our nation’s chemical plants. The Chemical Safety and Security Act (S. 2486)
Senator Obama cosponsored and voted for an amendment that would have increased rail and transit security by $1.2 billion.

Terrorism Risk Insurance
Senator Obama cosponsored the extension of the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act (which became Public Law 109-144)
Senator Obama introduced the Spent Nuclear Fuel Tracking and Accountability Act (S. 1194)
Senator Obama has introduced the Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act (S. 2441)
Senator Obama has introduced the Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act (S. 2441)
Barack Obama’s first bill as a U.S. Senator was the HOPE Act (Higher Education Opportunity Through Pell Grant Expansion Act) (S.697)
Following reports in December 2004 that Illinois veterans have for decades ranked nearly last in average disability pay received, Senator Obama led efforts to uncover the reasons for this disparity and to correct it.
Senator Obama cosponsored a bill that led to a $1.5 billion increase in veterans’ medical care.

Homeless Veterans
He authored the Sheltering All Veterans Everywhere Act (SAVE Act) (S. 1180)
Senator Obama introduced an amendment that became law providing food services to wounded veterans receiving physical therapy or rehabilitation services at military hospitals. Previously, service members receiving physical therapy or rehabilitation services in a medical hospital for more than 90 days were required to pay for their meals.
Senator Obama introduced the Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act (S. 3988) which would help veterans transition from the DOD health system to the VA system

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/aconservativeview/CsC3

They mentioned last night before the debate they flipped a coin to see who would go first for the opening statements. Just like in football the winner can decide if they want to go first. But after that does the monitorer decide who gets the questions first. I noticed last night that Hillary seemed to get asked the questions first, then Obama had a chance to respond, then they both could follow up. Did the previous debates follow this pattern, not just theirs but in years past, did the candidate behind get questioned first?

This whole place saddens me sometimes.

Prepare for President Bloomberg

Wow, he sure knows how to take credit for being in the room, doesn't he? Ya know whut? I was in DC with Carter, Begin & Sadat. Can I add that to my resume?

On a greener, note...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080222/ap_on_el_pr/nader

Has bloomberg said anything in the last few weeks about a possible run. Was it before or after the primaries started he mentioned he was looking into it.

“He followed up with the floor presentation and successfully lined up enough votes among opposing legislators for its passage.”

This just shows me that what he says is true – that he can work across the aisle to make things happen.

Blue,

Looking at how he has run his campaign, I can at least deduce that Obama is an effective organizer now and must have done a great job for the union he represented earlier in his career.

He has done the best job of any candidate with regards to raising money and he did so while forgoing large donors. We have yet to hear about any financial difficulties or uncertainties with his organization. None of the other candidates can make that claim.

Whether his coalition lasts the entire way remains to be seen, but you can't deny the fact that he has done a much better job attracting voters outside his normal base of support than any other candidate as well.

Hillary may be the best candidate on paper but she is unable to translate that to the voting booth. If you can't do that, how can you be the best candidate?

Exactly Dog Eye View. All my life, I voted and supported Democratic candidates who either I was lukewarm about or were disappointed with when they ran or became president. And yet, I've always remained loyal. When Clinton had his "Sister Souljah" moment, I was pissed, but I understood. When John Kerry did every dumb campaign misstep you could possible do, I still made sure to work for him. Dukakis? Please. Mondale? Why not run Humbert Humphrey? And yet we see all of these Clinton supporters deciding that there's no way they can support Obama? There has to be something more. Something that people don't want to acknowledge. It's sad, really sad.

A song for HRC...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2_Jl0hbWKY

There is also a shark/seal version, but I didn't know if it would offend anyone. In it...HRC would be the seal 8)

Nothing is worth getting this upset about one way or the other. I mean , I've been through all kinds of changes at work over the last 12 years. All I ever hope for is that whatever changes take place is that these changes don't negatively affect my day to day routine. That's all that matters to me. At work , all anybody ever talks about is the good ol' days. Days when it was fun to come to work. I am the only person in my department who jokes around on a daily basis. I'm the class clown. At lunch today I saw two men who used to work at my plant. One of them our former plant manager. They are both good guys who left the company and now work at another company together. When good people leave , you know something is wrong. The one thing that keeps me going is having a sense of humor. Someone asked me the other night "Benefits? What the hell kind of benefits do we have? They took everything away from us!" I said. "Well , we get donuts and cider on Halloween and cookies on Valentines Day. That's something!" It all depends on how you look at things.

vadaryl

Up until the McCain/NYTimes story I think the Bloomberg candidacy was over but it looks like the story has potential for serious damage. If that leaves the Huck as the candidate of the goopers, then I think Bloomberg will get in.

It's interesting the focus of the McCain story is his relationship to lobbyists balanced against his
"clean goverment " image.

There are some similiarities to Obama. He claims no lobbyist will have impact but has Tom Daschle patriarch of a lobbying family as a campaign spokesperson. If Charlie Black is a problem for McCain, Dachle is a problem for Obama (not to mention all the others)

Bryan, yes, I think a sitting pres will be run against if things are going badly.

Here some more info the the McCain story http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_553691.html

For amusement , here is the weekly favorites from the other site I visit regularly. Images and language may shock a little, but not too bad. None of my work is represented this week.

http://www.hipsoda.com/caption/favorites2.php

Isn't that what happened to LBJ? Kennedy and others ran against him and he decided not to run for re-election because of that.

cnn.com is showing a motorcade, not sure if it's the cop's or Hillary's next event.

Corey, those are great comments. I’ve been re-organized/downsized three times. Corporate likes to call it “right sizing” now, but I say that depends on which side you are on. I never thought at my age I would be working so hard to get a job. My last position was a subsidiary of the world’s largest corporation based in Bonn, Germany. It was hell. I made fantastic $ but worked daylight to dark every single day. The guy I worked for kept saying “I don’t care how much overtime you work”. It gets to the point that life is too short for that so I quit. I was not sleeping worrying about too many tasks to handle by myself. Everyone there worked like that. The VPs never got to go to their kid’s sports events. Things have changed much in this global economy. I agree with Obama that giving tax breaks to companies who don’t go overseas is a good thing.

After my first downsizing I had to screen my interviews because I received so many calls I could not go on all the interviews. The second time it was not so bad either. But, this last time there has been nothing worthwhile out there. Ohio has been terrible for job growth.

KGC,

Excuse my laziness, but was Daschle still in the Senate when Obama entered?

Couldn't vote for Bloomberg. He supports the Atlantic Yards Project in Brooklyn that is going to level the neighborhood my cousin lives in.

Legislative record

Barack Obama http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/

Hillary Clinton
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/c001041/

Bear
Daschle lost his seat in 2004 the same year Obama was elected

Alpha -- I guess you can't call these guys a bunch of racist old women:

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=529&Itemid=1

dog, I imagine that comment about hoping Pres. Obama fails is directed at me. I don't. If Obama gets the nom., I'll be marking his box in Nov. and personally pulling for him to excel in the next 4 years - and nothing would delight me more than to see that he or Hillary or McCain do that. But I'm a realist, and I read things here and there, and I don't believe that whoever is pres will be able to overcome the economic forces that appear to be lining up against a flourishing economy in the next few years. I also do not think that Hillary is looking to be VP, and that if the economy goes the direction it seems to be heading, if she is not, I fully expect that she will make another run in '12. sorry if that saddens you.

Karolenna,

You might want to delete anything that says "co-sponsored" unless the bill includes his name in the title. All that means is you signed your name as a supporter. It will give you a more realistic idea of accomplishments.

BTW, The same would be true of any Clinton "co sponsorships".

Whether or not a proposed amendment gained passage is a good measurement of ability to work across the aisle for passage.

There's eskow, stealing warren's ideas.

After the Calif debate the talk was we were looking at the dem ticket no matter who was number 1 or 2, did that feeling continue after this debate.

All this talk about 2012 seems like a waste of time.
It essential that a Democrat be elected in 2008.
While reading posts here I often feel like I'm watching a demolition derby.
I think if Al Gore were to follow this blog, he might be wondering if he just might end up as the Democratic nominee.

dog's eye -- Age did have something to do with my first bit of disenchantment with Barack -- when he started talking about the baby boomers being old news and inferring they should get out of the way. On other blogs, the exact phrase WAS --- "STFU and Get out of the way."

That was more than a little off-putting to some of us who felt we worked hard over the years to build the party. ESPECIALLY since many of the ones saying it were not even Democrats.

Race hasn't got jack to do with it except in a couple of ways: it became a media outcry -- no one could really go after him as they would in a normal campaign. It was to an extent also true of Hillary's gender, but you must have noticed that while racism is shunned, sexism is alive and well. wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

And Alpha -- I can't tell you how many times I've heard the statement from Larry O'Connell and others, Get out of the way of The Dream. As if women shouldn't have a dream. In those ways, yes, race did play a role.

Barack did, however, run a helluva campaign. One that he's been putting together for a long time. I'll give him that.

But if the Obama supporters think we "old broads" are irritating, they should just read the sneering posts coming from their own camp.

Does that mean I'd vote for McCain? No. It does mean that he damn well better produce this Brave New World he promises.

Actually the next President will walk into an office with a worse set of circumstances that FDR.

The Great Depression didn't hit here until 1929. So he had that to face. It had already hit the rest of the world in 1926. The current state of the U.S. Economy is down in relation to the rest of the world, though we are making Japan and Europe a bit nervous if the Nikkei and CAC are any indication

The rest of the world got dragged into WW II by the late 30s. We didn't enter until 1941 except for selling stuff to the people who were already in it. This time around we are spending a fortune on a war and borrow like mad from others to do it.

From the debate(?) last night.

John King: Senator Obama, beginning with you, tell us as specifically as you can, how would a President Obama be different than a President Clinton in managing the nation's economy?

The word was "specifically". Obama only provided more generalities. But I have noticed when he doesn't have any answers, other than his bullet points which he just rambles on about, he seems to end his statements this way. "Now, I don't want to take too much time. And I'm sure we'll be spend more time discussing this." Oh please Senator Obama don't spend to much time on the specifics of your proposals. if you did that you might have to explain how you plan to implement them, and how are you going to fund it..

Obama on higher education: "What I've been talking about is not just hope and not just inspiration. It's a $4,000 tuition credit for every student, every year, in exchange for national service so that college becomes more affordable."

There are about 7.1 million full time college students.
Simple math, $4,000 times 7.1 million = $142,000,000,000 per year? That is billions with a "B".

According to http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home ,the war is cost us $275 million a day. That times 356 equals $97.9B. Of course that figure is a bit misleading as the military if not there will be somewhere and will have to be funded. I'll be generous and say ending the war will save $72B. Ok we are halfway there just to pay for the education promise. So we are still short by $70B. Now lets throw it the universal health care. The cost can be found here. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Universal_health_care_cost_per_year&src=ansTT

That is right there is no answer. You can research it you'll find figures from the low $100B's to over $1 trillion a year. No one really knows what it will cost, everything you have heard is just a wild ass guess.

I think this is all well and good, have the government pay for everything. But where is that money going to come from. Even if they ended the war yesterday and taxed every last cent of income of the so-called "RICH" I think they'll be coming up a few $$$ short. Oh lets not forget Social Security, military, infrastructure, welfare, foreign aid, education, and the hundreds of others projects that the federal government spend money on. The federal budget for 2008, $2 1/2T.

Obama is going to tax the corporations who have sent the jobs overseas. Great idea. Didn't you say we were in or near a recession? Taxing the corporation should really help the economy. Who is he going to tax if these corporations move overseas? Why would they do that? More favorable tax treatment, cheaper cost of labor and materials. Of course if corporations did such a thing, he wouldn't have to worry about them sending jobs overseas, but he would have to worry about higher unemployment.

One of these days Obama will actually get into a real debate and have to provide specific answers to all his bullet points, but until that day comes along we will only be shown more dog and pony shows like the one that ire on CNN last night. Which BTW was poorly run.

If you know of anyone who is looking for a job they might want to learn how to operate a printing press, because if Obama gets elected this November the presses at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing will be running overtime.

Remember the old saying. Promises are made to be broken.

Thanks for the info KGC.

I have always been annoyed by the whole too close to lobbyist riff. Considering that a lot of lobbyists were former members of Congress, I don't know how you just stop being friends with former mentors or colleagues.

dog, whew, that's a relief. Really, it is. You are one of those here that support Obama with whom I like to think we can agree to disagree without getting personal.

Going back to my comments about work. For the first 9 years I worked at my plant , my plant was divided into 2 separate plants. The visors side and the door panels side. Each side had it's own management teams. They combined the management teams about 4 years ago , so our entire now only has one management team and one plant manger. The guy I saw today was the plant manager for the visors side when I met him 5 years ago. I was immediately struck by how honest and charismatic a person he seemed to be. He was someone who I felt I could believe/trust. When things got bad , when our visors business got sent to Mexico , he acted like he really cared about how this affected us and how sorry he was to see so many people lose their jobs. The way it was done by company execs was coldhearted and he felt that wasn't right. He seemed to be anti-company management BS. Although some people didn't believe him , I did. He was replaced shortly after this by a woman. Many people did not like the woman who replaced him. They felt she was phony and was sent in to replace him because she wasn't personally attached to the people at our plant. You know , maybe it would be easier for her to watch people lose their jobs because she came from a plant in Battle Creek. The thing is that it takes time to get to know people and what they are about. Which is pretty much what this election is about. For the record , my boss is a woman and 3 of the last 4 or 5 bosses I've had have been women. Plus , I'm the only man who works in my department out of 7 people. And you factor in all the crap I've watched my Mom take for my Dad over the years , so I am sensitive to how any woman is treated be it in politics or any other line of work. I'm not anti-men , unless we're talking about my Dad. LOL!

Bear
That's why there is now a law that you have to wait two years before you "lobby" after leaving office. Of course that doesn't mean you cannot offer counsel.
A lot of people theorize circumventing the two year rule is why Trent Lott left office early

I don't have a problem with lobbyists or pac money.
I belong to the Jesse Unruh school I do have a problem with people parsing the issue so appear
one way but using backdoor methods to get the money.

Just got back from early voting in Ohio - the woman at the election board told me that after MO spoke at CSU (Cleveland State which is right next door) they were very busy. She also told me that BO is going to visit CSU either tonight or tomorrow. She expects the voting, after he speaks, to be in her words “crazy.” When I arrived home, I noticed that Obama yards signs are popping up, one Ron Paul, but I did not spot any Hillary signs.

Patsi,

I prefer cougars instead of the term old broads...lol

patsi, "No. It does mean that he damn well better produce this Brave New World he promises."

or what?

yo soy Horsedooty!

KGC,

Who is Jesse Unruh...remember, I'm in lazy Friday mode...plus I am tired, my stomach is a bit unsettled...the weather is cold, I'm hungry, my dog, a pitbull/lab mix thinks he should be in my lap instead of the cat...

I just read some of his famous quotes on his Wiki page...funny stuff...

Obama, Commander in Chief Flip Flop

"Obama has also changed his position on meeting with dictators, moving towards what Clinton has always said, which is that the President of the United States should never offer initial meetings before preparations are made. In other words, Clinton is schooling Obama on foreign policy."

http://www.taylormarsh.com/

Bear
Unruh quote about lobbyists
Money is the mother's milk of politics."
"If you can't take their money, drink their liquor, fuck their women, and then come in here the next day and vote against them, you don't belong here." (Referring to lobbyists.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Unruh

He was a California politician but had a national reputation.

New read on the contenders’ status from AP.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g4k3Na1HrTddLiZu6GBem-EGJeLwD8UVHEO80

Bear

Unruh was defintely a character,

McCaskel has to support BO.He gave her money to help her election

EuroTom...This one's for you. You were upset by the rioters at Evergreen, so thought you'd like to know more about the potential outcome of their actions.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/289830.html

Name an accomplishment by Obama, part II

(More people unable to name anything.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgXPVmlXKQI&feature=related

I am back, anything interesting happen in the hours I was gone? :)

alpha I was proud to work for Walter Mondale... and not only that but Hubert Humphrey was the most honorable and caring Democrat there was. His autobiography convinced me at age 12 to go for higher education, first generation to do so...

"or what?"

Ha! Doots....or I'll piss and moan some more. No, seriously, I think some of these kids really believe the world changes when Barack Obama is president. Ain't gonna happen fast enough for 'em.

I think I get it......Barack Obama is being set up to be the sacrificial lamb.......president in ' 08.......the next president is really in a no win situation, and the more inexperienced the next president the better for the "powers" who run around behind the facades erected for the public to view.......they build him up over hillary.....then they smack McCain.....obama becomes president and they have 4 years to rip him to shreds and show how incompetent the democrats are in leading the country.......

GORDO,

I won't call this a Clinton flip flop, but it leads me to question her judgment having this man be her former state campaign chair. I don't Obama would have made this mistake, especially because of her history with the Providence fire fighters union...

http://www.projo.com/news/content/CICILLINE_BARRED_02-22-08_FS93UHE_v8.38dfb05.html

Headline: Dallas

Corey, my first thought on the officer's accident, Dallas & Presidents. Ironic.

Not clear if HC saw the accident or not. Was one officer on a motorcycle leap-frogging to control traffic when he hit the curb and crashed. And died. HC went to Ft. Worth & told the crowd that there'd be no rally as it wasn't appropriate due to the accident. She then went back to Dallas to Methodist Hospital to meet with the officer's family. The officer had also been in Obama's motorcade.

It was an accident. That's why it's called an accident.

tt

I didn't get the Onion video. I guess the joke was saying the word "Bullsh*t" over and over again.

Posted by: Corey | February 22, 2008 11:01 AM

Corey, that's exactly my reaction... :)

Gordo.

Come on. It is all about hope and change. This code for, we hope no one will ask us what it is we are going to change.

You are right Barry did back-up a bit on his meaning of when he would meet with our enemies. To bad the Dictator Fidel is on the way out He was the closest thug Barry could have had a meeting with.

KGC,

I agree that Jesse Unruh sounds like a character...politics needs more of the today.

patsi, "Ha! Doots....or I'll piss and moan some more.

just curious.

yo soy Horsedooty!

dog, I didn't think that HC's remark was meant as a farewell. It's politics as usual till the last ballot's counted.

tt

Gordo, Fry,

All this talk about not talking to enemies is pointless. If you refuse to deal with someone, problems only fester into bigger problems. Just because you ignore it, doesn't mean it will change or go away...

Here are some famous peoples thoughts on the subject...

Abraham Lincoln: Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?

Ann Richards: I've always said that in politics, your enemies can't hurt you, but your friends will kill you.

Jewish proverb: Listen to your enemy, for God is talking.

John F. Kennedy: Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names.

Martin Luther King, Jr.: Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into friend.

Moshe Dayan: If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies.

Thich Nhat Hanh:

In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally behind them. And if they do not have a real enemy, they will invent one in order to mobilize us.

Bear

I agree about more characters like Jesse. Unfortunately I think most people prefer the more
homogenized versions.

I

no point in trying to think up anything new
when the same old over and over will do

If HRC bales out now means I can't vote for her. HRC needs to go for the jugular, and she needs to do it now. What is she afraid of, the press will make her look like a villain. They have already done that to you. Who is organizing her campaign, Miss Nancy of Romper Room? If she continues on with this puffball tactics she'll be sitting on the sidelines watching Barry floating around the day after March 5th.

They said the same thing about Clinton. How the big bad Republicans were going to tear up this small state governor from a nowhere state.

I take note that Fry and Conservatives want HC to get the Dem bid.

Nothing ever is as it seems with those folks.

Be afraid, very afraid of anything 'they' want.

tt

Alpha throwing charges of racism in this discussion is ludicrous. It's isn't about Barack Obama being black.. It's about the fact that men have ran this thing forever and they haven't done such a great job much of the time.

You seem like such an intelligent man, and I know that you must carry your own resentments regarding racism, who wouldn't? But be fair please. Look I was totally proud to support Jesse Jackson in 1988 !! He was about bringing people together in the rainbow coalition... and it was a beautiful vision. We could debate why it fell apart... Anyway, his opponent in the race was a total dud... Jesse was a visionary. So sad we got Dukakis as the nominee.

In this race, Hillary supporters are EXCITED about her candidacy. We haven't totally thrown in the towel, though we see how the momentum has gone lately. In such a close delegate count, it is correct to say have ever state's vote on record.

Best,

ET

"All this talk about not talking to enemies is pointless. If you refuse to deal with someone, problems only fester into bigger problems. Just because you ignore it, doesn't mean it will change or go away..."

And, if you bomb it, it won't go away either! Why not talk? Saves lives and money!

Bear,

You forgot to cut and copy the most important one of all time. From Sun Tzu. " Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."

Bryan, yes, I think a sitting pres will be run against if things are going badly.

Posted by: pogo | February 22, 2008 1:16 PM

Yeah don't forget your Uncle Teddy hero who did everything possible to derail President Carter's re-election campaign.

*embraces Fry*

tt

Karolenna,

It is not that you don't talk to them, but when you do you do so from a position of strength. You talk to them once they have proved they are worth talking to. It does very little good to talk to someone who consistently lies to you.

I preface this post by saying I honestly tried to figure out why I was so pissed that Hillary was losing, and this is what I found.

Hillary supporters actually truly believe that Senator Clinton is the best candidate for President of the United States, and for good solid reasons.

I think that subconsciously this (most likely) defeat cuts so much deeper then other defeats because it strikes a nerve that reminds women (me) of the many times when they ( I ) “knew better” or were "better qualified” but either overlooked, ignored and/or rebuffed for seemingly no good reason or rational.

As I consider this theory, and empty out my own emotional baggage, I feel more willing and open to the idea of supporting Obama and, (again with the honesty)…. it feels good.

ET, I'm not saying it's a good idea - I'm just saying it's what I expect.

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

* This has often been attributed to Sun Tzu and sometimes to Niccolò Machiavelli, but there are no published sources yet found which predate its use by "Michael Corleone" in The Godfather Part II (1974), written by Mario Puzo & Francis Ford Coppola: My father taught me many things here — he taught me in this room. He taught me — keep your friends close but your enemies closer."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu

tt

tt,

Actually it was from Sun-Tzu’s Art of War, which I suggest everyone to read, at least one time in your lives.

Vito Corleone, to Sonny while smacking him with his Fedora:

"NEVER let anyone outside the family know what you are thinking......"

Erica Jong in Huffington: Politics by ordeal

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-jong/politics-by-ordeal_b_87948.html

von Clauswitz has much more detail than Sun Tzu.....

and the best written rendering of the art of war, outside of thucydides, was Tolstoy's depiction in War And Peace of how Kutuzov dealt with Napoleon and sent him packing with an overall loss of 450,000 or so men.......out of 500,000.........as best I remember the figures......

Alpha/Dog's Eye

'ferocious hate of the man?"

Has anyone mentioned hatred much less ferocious. What is it about the over the top defense? A group of people on this blog do not think he is ready to be President. We believe that another candidate is better prepared.

How does that decision constitute hatred, racism or whatever your latest over the moon charge might be.

Jamie......read THE TRUE BELIEVER........i forget the author......

Thanks Harborwoman

From the Wiki page:
The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements is a social psychology book by Eric Hoffer published in 1951 which discusses the psychological causes of fanaticism. The book evaluates and sometimes disparages Communists, Fascists, Nationalists, and early Christians. Part of Hoffer's thesis is that movements are interchangeable and that fanatics will often flip from one movement to another.

Lesson learned there sturgeone. Never outpace your supplies lines, and never fight the Russians in winter on their home turf. Germany WWII forgot history.

Karolenna

Go back and read the 1:03 post.

"“He followed up with the floor presentation and successfully lined up enough votes among opposing legislators for its passage.”

That was a request for information and proof of a completed action not a statement of fact. What bill, if any, did he do this with? So far in this whole campaign, I haven't heard such a claim.

Jamie,

What bill, if any, did he do this with? So far in this whole campaign, I haven't heard such a claim.

The answer to your question is Senate Bill 2433, the Global Poverty Act of 2007.

Mr Fry...........I find it hard to believe the germans thought gasoline would make a difference in Russia......tsk tsk tsk.......

wonder what it feels like to get poked to death with a wooden pitchfork........

sturgeone anyone in mind? coz I could help.. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbFEnoITiWE

take note of that pye-anny player.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQC8EgSODhU

For Tom. LOL!

FD

Never get involved in a land war in Russia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUee1WvtQZU

Check that! That could be for anyone of us!

Wasn't S. 2433 referred to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee? Has it gone from there to the floor for a vote that WAIS has missed?

http://frwebgate6.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=712100314702+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

Strong, heads up work by Team Obama --

Last night's anecdote from the Army captain who told the Senator about how it was easier to get weapons from captured Taliban than from the DOD was confirmed when the campaign gave contact info to ABC's Jake Tapper.

Not only did the Captain confirm it... he went far beyond just the point the Senator made.

It's essential reading:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/from-the-fact-3.html

Nothing in what the Captain tells Tapper makes me feel anything other than disturbed (even sick)...

But that the Obama campaign got the info together FAST as the Fired-Up-Ready-To-GOP world of bloggers, radio mouths and 527s were already in second gear makes me feel great.

Well so much for inevitable...

...oh, by the way...

this is a diveby, as in: casual; superficial; offhand: a drive-by news analysis...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0K_LZDXp0I

I can remember in Birmingham those big air raid sirens going off......louder than 40 hells.......

It is with a heavy (light, actually) heart that I must bid you all adieu for the weekend. Little pogo resumes basketball tournament games at 7:00, extending through the weekend, and if I don't go get him now so that he can tune and try out his new guitar he will just be a sullen preteen, and I really don't need that.

sharper than a serpent's tooth.........

OK- I never do this but we need a break form the O v. C stuff and it is Friday and it's snowing-

What are your Oscar prediction- esp. the categories like screenplay, cinematography, song, score, documentary-

9/11 are you out there? My deadline for contest entries is 5 pm.

OOOps, screech to a halt - Sturg - Birmingham? When? Where?

Pogo.....Oxmoor Rd, Vestavia Hills and out past Eastwood Mall......in the fifties.......

burrito,
"I think that subconsciously this (most likely) defeat cuts so much deeper then other defeats because it strikes a nerve that reminds women (me) of the many times when they ( I ) “knew better” or were "better qualified” but either overlooked, ignored and/or rebuffed for seemingly no good reason or rational."

Very insightful post. Thanks.

Kathy -- what contest?

Former Youth (with neurotoxic brain) wants to know.

Pogo......my aunt had an Ice Cream Parlour for a short stint below Red Mountain or Homewood somewhere........I still cant find Lemon Ice Cream.....

Mad!
Thanks for the driveby. Don't be a stranger.

Or at least any stranger than usual ;)

Ah , yes, now that you mention ice cream, we talked about that some time ago - I probably went to it with my aunt - we'll chat about it later.

dog's eye --

Agreed -- and lots of Baruch Hashem here, there and everywhere -- but MY hope is that after this week's Kerryesque "we won't dignify _____ with a response" suicidal tendency that fast learning has actually taken the lead in his campaign's profile once again.

pogo.......montevallo rd.......shades mt.........Vulcan.......radio with Doug Leyton and Tommy Charles............nice zoo........(monkey island at least.......)
caged coyotes.................

it was before all the racial unrest and civil rights fights........i was thru there by then......

“Ladies if you want a man to be pissed off at I suggest Mark Penn instead of Barack Obama!”

Amen to that! People are tired of sleaze politics. He looked bad when he tried to bring up the “C” word so much when, in fact, Obama had already told the public about that years ago. Was that logical thinking?

http://www.observer.com/2008/why-clinton-s-back-against-wall-nobody-prepared?page=0%2C2

On February 11 Penn even took out time from her campaign to promote his book. Wouldn’t you think he would have enough to do trying to get her elected with the millions of dollars he is making? Penn is disgusting. Total sleaze!

http://www.observer.com/2008/why-clinton-s-back-against-wall-nobody-prepared?page=0%2C2

FD

Thank you for the info on that SB, but it has been introduced only in 2007 and now sits in committee.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-2433

It doesn't fit the criteria I posted.

You say potato, I say patahtoe...you say Renzi, I say Ronzo. The spud head fight is on and both JMc and BHO are starting to take each other on. Or your sleaze is sleazier than my sleaze.

typo..Renzo

You say Fidel, I say fidelity!

Thanks for clarifying that , Tom. LOL!

" But she's not electable."

The Great Male Lie of 2008. Sucked up and circulated.

AND I am thankful this HRC is out of the fight in this case.

To quote Rage Against the Machine...

"ANGER IS A GIFT"

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.........................

Kathy

Several threads ago, I told everyone to email me their picks and I would put it in a data base.

webthings at comcast dot net

Here are the nominees and the official Oscar game

http://predict.oscar.go.com/predict/frontpage

If everyone wants that done, I need the entries by tomorrow evening so I have time to get all the entries in place.

P. S.

You can use the Oscar form, save it and then just email it to me.

I have found that the HRC supporters are so adamant and angry. I believe they, as she, thought this would be a rout and when it hasn’t been, her supporters get angry.

My aunt and I used to talk almost every day. She is a very intelligent person who was a school principal who retired at 50. We just don’t talk these days because our conversations usually end in a heated debate and saying “I love you” and bye. It is for this reason I will be glad when this thing is all over no matter who is the candidate. Our entire family is divided with the SE Ohio gang for HRC and Central Ohio gang for Obama. Even the upstate NY family is now for Obama, and they are all Repugs. He may have done better in NY if the election were today.

9/11-
I am entering a contest my local paper runs each year- I usually win a dinner and a couple of tickets though there are bigger prizes- I have no idea bout best song and visual effects, as well as foreign film-

Oscars The Easy Way - I created a private group

Trailmixers

Motto: Time Out

Password: Durward

Go to http://predict.oscar.go.com/predict/frontpage

Register. Fill out your ballot and join group: Trailmixers and use the password above

My aunt and I used to talk almost every day. She is a very intelligent person who was a school principal who retired at 50. We just don’t talk these days because our conversations usually end in a heated debate and saying “I love you” and bye.
Posted by: Karolenna | February 22, 2008 4:28 PM

Ok well that is on both sides as you say Karolenna, and that shows this isn't just in online chat but in people's real lives too. I truly believe in Hillary and always will. I admire Barack but he hasn't closed the deal with me yet. For the first time I am so unsure what I will do.

For me the Supreme Court argument is a strong one!!! And I am NOT tossing Hillary out of the race yet...

And maybe if JMc and BHO "duke it out" in the press it is so much more accepted than BHO and HRC. And even on this blog, I hate the fight between men and women more than the fights between man and man; women and women. Must be a thing from my childhood when I hated to hear/see my parents fight.

Jamie
perhaps you could also do that somewhere as a place where people could carry on with private animosities......the Venting Room......for people who vent......

EuroTom you made me think of this:

I saw a report within the last week about the happiest places on earth. Denmark was the happiest and here they have (what I believe to be) this dark, damp weather most of the time. They interviewed some of the students who attend college. Every person can go to college there “free” on the government. Everyone has free healthcare. They pay 50% taxes but why should they care? They are happy with what they have. From the interviews the people have the money to travel and do what they want. One guy who attends college said he was on a six-month parenting leave while being paid by the government.

No one here wants to pay 50% taxes, but if you could have what you want would it be worth it? It sounds very socialist. I guess it is the free enterprise thing here and people wanting to make a lot of money. But, then when some make all that money how many of them say that money actually makes them happy?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5224306.stm

Kathy,

The Academy has NO idea about foreign films this year either: the really great films were bypassed.

Visual effects is the same old bone to the skeletons of Pirates of the Offshore Banks

Song... I dunno. They like Menken and haven't had a prize to give him in at least a decade. So... something from Enchanted.

I took that self esteem test and I scored a 51 out of 100.

One of the things about Best Song this year is that three of the nominees are from the same film: Enchanted.

So either everyone has to decide which song was really, really the best or the vote will be split all over the place allowing one of the other two to squeak in.

Nothing like being in competition with yourself.

Howard Dean I have no idea whether the affair story is true or not, and I don’t care. What I do care about is John McCain — and this has been well-documented — is talking all the time about being a reformer and a maverick, and in fact, he has taken thousands of dollars from corporations, ridden on their corporate jets, and then turned around and tried to do favors for them and get projects approved. He has tons of lobbyists on his staff. This is a guy who is very close to the lobbyist community, a guy who has been documented again and again by taking contributions and then doing favors for it. This is not a guy who is a reformer. This is a guy who has been in Washington for 25 years and wants to give us four more years of the same, and I don’t think we need that.

EuroTom you made me think of this:

I saw a report within the last week about the happiest places on earth. Denmark...

Karolenna Denmark is LOVELY... Taxes are high, but also in Belgium. Sometime interesting about Denmark... Tax rate on new autos is 100% which means that most families have only 1 automobile and an older one at that. on the positive front, there are much less traffic jams there.

I spent 5 lovely days in Denmark in 2004, staying in a house rental on the coast of the East Sea. GRAND!

above post taken from
crooksandliars.com

Okayyy..i made it just under the time-wire...

Best Actor - Daniel Day Lewis
Best Actress - Julie Christie
Best Supporting Actor - Javier Badem
Best Supporting Actress - Tossup
Best Picture - No Country for Old Men
Best Director - Ethan & Whatzizname Coen
Best Adapted Screenplay - Sarah Polley

I gotta go... yipppeeee it's friday..see ya later..

Corey? really? you are too hard on yourself. i would have expected at least 80%

the only thing i know about oscars is that Jon Stewart is the MC guy......

Friend of mine asked me which was the worst ill in our society today.......the ignorance, or the apathy......

I said, I dont know and I dont give a damn.

Karolenna

"No one here wants to pay 50% taxes,"

Actually we do. By the time you add up Income Tax, FICA, State Tax, Sales Tax, Excise Taxes, taxes paid by corporations hidden in purchase price .... etc etc.

It is pretty close to equal. What is different? We don't get what we pay for.

EuroTom...
just took the self esteem test and like you.... I scored a 97....

haven't been to the movies much lately..... for the first time in a long time, I haven't seen one film that made best picture....

yeah..... it's friday.... and it's snowing!.....
after all the ice we've been getting it's really pretty to see snow again.....

My payroll taxes are like 45% and I have to pay 1000 euros every 3 months for "social costs" and then health care, sales tax is 21% or 6%.. and at gas and fuel prices here are over the top. Still, somehow we survive. "We" meaning Belgians.

ty,

I'm in agreement with you on almost every l'il thing.

However... I feel that there is a split between Coens and Anderson for Best Director... and an underbelly of support for Schnabel's two most recent films which are unlike anyone else's... and are unique variations on a most essential theme.

And I'm for Sarah Polley (and the whole Family Polley) for EVERYTHING all the time. But there's such an animus against her for joining a union walkout during the filming of Guinevere in SF... which is why the most gifted, beautiful actress of her generation isn't even considered for leads.

Which probably hastened her development as a writer and director.

She knows how important a story is... because she is deep souled, remarkably intelligent, emotionally full of dimension...

But mainly because Baron Munchausen knew all of that (and he was all about the importance of telling a story well) and threw that rose at her with a bit of a smile

This is for Warren in response to our earlier conversation between 12:30-12:45ish

With regards to the guy in TX – yes it is unfortunate that a surrogate campaigning for Obama – someone part of the campaign was not better prepared as Ms. MCCASKILL is – this is why I praised Karolena’s post and Ms. McCaskill as being a good spokesperson for Mr. Obama. My point is that many of his surrogates and it appears many of his supporters are not aware of what he’s accomplished- Ms. McCaskill is and has some specific reasons why she supports him. I applaud her. I will break up into a few posts her accomplishments you asked for.

For Warren:

Her work on behalf of children and the poor dating back decades and starting with her work at Yale whether with the New Haven legal Services providing pro-bono legal services on behalf of foster and abused children and their families or her work at the Yale Child Study Center. She also contributed to some of the earliest studies that would create legal standards for protecting children. As we know, after graduation, she became an attorney for the Children’s Defense Fund and ran a legal aid clinic for the poor and continued to represent abused children. She also organized “Advocates for Children and Families”. Carter appointed her to the board of the US Legal Services Corp which was set up to give legal services to the poor. As first lady of AK she helped reform educational standards in AK. As we know, she did lead the commission on Universal Health Care while first lady and yes, that was not a winning moment for her. Out of that, however, she was able to push through the Children’s Health Insurance Program that provided health insurance to millions of children – while in the Senate she has worked to strengthen and expand this.

Her advocacy on behalf of children and the poor over the decades, I believe gives her a deep understanding of the issues that affect everyday American’s as well as a dedication to make life better for those that cannot speak up for themselves. I also admire her dedication to education reform which many of her current plans also address – Pre-K, get rid of No Child Left Behind, etc. She has shown a great deal of dedication to these issues. As for health care, I’m sure Hillary learned some valuable lessons the first time around with her original failure – sometimes we learn more from our failures than we do our successes and this may be vital in finally getting Universal Health Care.

I was honest when I took that test. Good days and bad days , you know. Now I'm off to fill up my car with gas for the trip tomorrow and then get something to eat.

Best Picture
NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN
Actor in a Leading Role
Daniel Day-Lewis
THERE WILL BE BLOOD
Actor in a Supporting Role
Javier Bardem
NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN
Actress in a Leading Role
Marion Cotillard
LA VIE EN ROSE
Actress in a Supporting Role
Cate Blanchett
I'M NOT THERE
Animated Feature Film
RATATOUILLE
Music (Original Score)
ATONEMENT
Music (Original Song)
THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW
Writing (Adapted Screenplay)
ATONEMENT
Writing (Original Screenplay)
JUNO

More for Warren:

I also admire her fight for women’s rights. While first lady of AK, she led the ABA Commission on Women in the Profession which dealt with sexual harassment and equal pay – I’m sure not an easy subject to discuss in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s. Her speech on behalf of women in Beijing I’m sure was no easy feat calling for an end to the hideous practice of euthanizing female babies in China. This is an admirable speech that is a clear call to action. I would say since the Chinese were her hosts...quite an accomplishment.

More for Warren:

Hillary has also been praised for her efforts in NY after 9/11. She was one of the first people to sound the alarm about the air near ground zero knowing full well that air was toxic even though the President was saying otherwise. She knew the workers needed protective gear. She was also instrumental in securing funds for NYC to recover, getting compensation for the victims and their families as well as pushing for grants to help small businesses. For all of these efforts, she was praised by colleagues on both sides of the aisle for her efforts on behalf of NYC.

a little more for Warren:

She is the first NY Senator to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee – this gives her valuable foreign affairs, national security experience as well as valuable insight into the issues and operations of our military. This is very good experience to have moving into role of Commander and Chief.

and finally for Warren:

I promised no links but since this is so long here is her voting record which will let people know where she stands on issues:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm#Voting_Record

I believe Jamie also posted her congressional record – so you can look at that too.

You asked for no awards so I won’t provide any and they have been posted here before so you could always look at them if you want. But awards are important as they show recognition for dedication and service in a particular area.

Perhaps others can think of things I've left out.

KGC

You mentioned Bloomberg as do I...how rich is this guy? He could buy votes. Let's see, the feds are giving $600 to individuals. Maybe he could up that to $1000 per vote (hey, if it is BHO and JMc in November, I could definitely be swayed.) And Bloomberg used to be a dem and a repug...so he could draw from both sides. Approximately, 100 million folks vote in the the election...that's a $1000 million or 1 billion dollars.

(I know it is just zeros, but I hope my arithmetic is right.)

jamie,

Yay on best original score for Atonement!

That man is the greatest newish writer of film scores... without any derivative qualities a combination of E. Bernstein and N. Rota in his invention and emotional power.

wendy said,"While first lady of AK, she led the ABA Commission on Women in the Profession which dealt with sexual harassment and equal pay – I’m sure not an easy subject to discuss in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s."

never knew she was first lady of Alaska always thought it was Arkansas. AR. Guess I was wrong.

yo soy Horsedooty!

wendy said,"While first lady of AK, she led the ABA Commission on Women in the Profession which dealt with sexual harassment and equal pay – I’m sure not an easy subject to discuss in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s."

never knew she was first lady of Alaska always thought it was Arkansas. AR. Guess I was wrong.

yo soy Horsedooty!

sorry for the double post got called away from the 'puter and lost my place.

yo soy Horsedooty!

My daughter asked me when she heard me talking about the debate-

"what's a Xerox?"

Barack Obama's Willie Horton

"The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth won't have to make stuff up about Obama. His relationship with Ayers is a fact, as they also were both seated on a nine-member board of the Woods Fund in 1999, for three years. In lieu of that connection, even in the face of a measly $200 contribution from Ayers to Obama, as well as "the Obama campaign's statement decrying Ayers' actions when he was with the terrorist group The Weather Underground, quotes like the one below from Ayers are a general election gift to your opponent, especially considering Obama has no problem sitting on a board with this thug, or taking a meeting with him when launching your political career."

"Mr. Ayers wrote a memoir, "Fugitive Days," published in 2001, and on the day of the September 11 terrorist attacks, he was quoted by the New York Times as saying: "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough."
http://www.taylormarsh.com/

John McCain don't no nothin' 'bout economy...
Finds indictments all a travesty...

John Boehner -- yes, him -- told indicted Arizona Rep. Rick Renzi to pack his behind in a picnic basket and resign.

John McCain -- who has Renzi as one of the two heads of his Arizona campaign committee -- has told a small sea of leg humping reporters that he doesn't "know enough of the details to make a judgment."

(He didn't add, "But I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night." Not because he didn't want to but to avoid having anyone ask him, "With who?")

BTW - Warren - Jamie posted this for you a couple weeks back. More of a bullet list - but certainly has some highlights...my recollection of that thread was that you didn't read it...but if you ARE genuinely curious about Hillary's list of accomplishments...I invite you to re-vist Jamie's post and the original thread:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/02/in-clinton-world-whining-often.html#comment-33109

Hillary's awards are listed there as well...even though i know you think awards are irrelevant.

blonde wino,

what's the weather like in your part of NM these days. last time I was thru that part of NM the "ef" wind was blowing from the south outta Mex that we saw a lot of north Mex in the air. maybe 50 mph. The pickup truck was hard to keep in an easterly direction not to mention all the dirt we had to eat.

I am hoping that the wind is not up too high in Alpine next weekend. I plan on doing some photographs of a few of my friends and an abstract expressionist project I have been working on for several years.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Horsedooty - thank you - my error - proves I didn't cut and paste it

LOL

I would really like Marion Cotillard for best actress. Julie Christie's performance was magnificent and I've been a fan for the last 35 years or so, but Cotillard really is incredible.

I don't speak French and I watched La Vien Rose in French without subtitles. When an actress can let you know what is happening in a language you don't know, that is worth the honor.

Gordo you are stuck on the same crap as yesterday. Either find something new or better yet just go away. Friggin Troll

yo soy Horsedooty!

no problem Wendy my life is to serve.

yo soy Horsedooty!

This is an interesting little tid bit

Clinton Has Edge Among Highly Religious White Democrats

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104506/Clinton-Has-Edge-Among-Highly-Religious-White-Democrats.aspx

911 greetings glad to see you post again.

this is the line of the day I think, "has told a small sea of leg humping reporters"

thanks for the laff.

yo soy Horsedooty!

"It's a set up waiting for Democrats. If Obama's the nominee, his campaign and supporters are walking into a political buzz saw. Considering Ayers' past domestic terrorist resume, as well as his involvement with Obama, John McCain's fighter pilot, held captive and tortured biography is made for this fight."
http://www.taylormarsh.com/

Book me, Gordo.

My sister-in-law's father defended the Chicago 7. (And her uncle defended a loon who shot up an LIRR train -- and her hubby's name was on the top of his list of Things To Kill Today.)

I always hated the Weather Underground and was on a train to Manhattan the day they blew up that West Village townhouse.

I also knew Abbie Hoffman when he was on the run. A lot of what he also said in that interview applied to Abbie and others in the movement.

Book me again, Gordo.

Also book me because his mom and dad had me over for Shabbes dinner lots of time in the early 70's.

"He was 'embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way,' he writes. 'The rigidity and the narcissism.'"

Maybe you should explore that sentiment, too, Gordo.

Such a reflection might benefit lots of us in the long run.

Senor Horsedooty --

Te quiero, te amo!

I think I would have enjoyed meeting Bobby Kennedy. I still hate the bastard that shot him... I was pretty young then.. yes 9 years old.

Kathy....
OMG.... I bet that made you feel old.... :)

well.... it's the weekend again.....
have fun my friends...... this puppy is gonna fly.......

this pisses me off.

Holes in the Wall
Homeland Security won’t say why the border wall is bypassing the wealthy and politically connected.

http://dadadada2u.blogspot.com/

yo soy Horsedooty!

This is a great quote from the Daily Texan endorsement:

"Clinton is a seasoned politician, and some argue that works against her. But Bush has been wildly successful in destroying every positive function of the machine that is Washington, D.C., and Clinton has the political tools and knowledge to fix it."

This has always been appealing to me as well - she knows how the gears work.

John McCain and his lobbyist ties...

http://bravenewfilms.org/watch/22652350/30016

Senor Horsedooty --

The poor get The Wall.
The rich get The Mall.
And whatever part of the world that still gives a crap gets appalled.

another great quote:

"Clinton's abrasiveness, while somewhat off-putting, is essential in scrubbing our country clean of the grime the current administration has let build up."

puts everything into perspective.

Bear...

It's really good... and it's what I've been yearning for...

FIREDOGLAKE: THE MUSICAL!

and finally:

"Hillary Clinton should be the next president of the United States. Under her leadership, we can return to being the great country we once were."

Well said!

I am bored... Here is a song that I love... It's a great ballad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG2Fjaj91BA

This is about what the Repubs can do to Obama in the GE. Expect the Repub attack/smear machine to stick to the facts? Obama would be destroyed.

Obama and McCain - lobbyist problems

2/15/2008 Columbia Journalism Review

Contributions made by the various industry sectors tell the real story in a presidential race. And Opensecrets.org shows that Obama is picking up gobs of money put on the table by these special interests—including those involved in health care, which will surely have a lot riding on the outcome of the election and will expect to be heard after the election is over......

Last August The Boston Globe, in a piece by Scott Helman, took a hard look at Obama’s contributions, noting that “behind Obama’s campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth.” That truth revealed that as a state legislator in Illinois, a U.S. senator, and as a presidential aspirant, Obama had collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs. Helman quoted an Obama campaign spokeswoman saying that after he experienced firsthand the influence of Washington lobbyists, he was taking a different approach to fundraising than he had in the past, and that “his leadership position on this issue is an evolving process.” If Obama’s leadership on campaign financing is indeed evolving, more news outlets should be following the evolution.
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/obamas_lobbyist_line.php

the Daily Texas is the Campus newspaper at the University of Texas at Austin. Don't know the circulation and I believe it it free.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Daily Texan* sorry typo

yo soy Horsedooty!

Hey guys ... long time no see.

I had to remove myself from political discussions for awhile. Every thing is quite negative right now. We have had many arguments in our household and we are all Staunch Democrats.

I sure hope we can put the party back together in Nov.

I do enjoy reading all the comments here, they are quite informative as well as entertaining! :)

Here is a song that I listened to and totally related to at a real low point in my life. It is written and performed by CHER...

Called With our Without You.. anyone who has lost a true love will understand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlvVrZWn24c

It is still sometimes hard to listen to, but oh so beautiful :D

GORDOsandra...

Prophet of doooooom...

I wrote early and late posts about Obama's response to Swifthoping from the Fired-Up-Ready-To-GOP.

One was concerned about the Kerryesque deferral on reacting to the Michelle Obama "pride in country" taffy pull.

The other was happy and relieved about how fast and effectively they answered the rising chime of projectile vomit over his Captain in Afghanistan quote.

I voted for Hillary on Soupbowl Tuesday: I wanted to vote for either Biden or Dodd. I wasn't unhappy with my vote.

And I'm all for partisanship.

What I know is a mess is all this fingers in ears, shrieky, geeky pottysanship.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/canada.png

Burrito:

ROFL

The funniest things from the article about Obama and the weathermen is that his old Hyde Park pals think he is too conservative

"They, like others in his old Chicago world, now consider him a bit too “conservative” for their liking, as Warren wrote recently.

Ackerman, the Hyde Park activist, complained of his votes for continued funding for the Iraq war.

“A lot of people were very angry when he voted to fund the war,” he said. “But any candidate running for president is going to strive for broader appeal and move more to the center — I don’t believe that Barack has departed from his basic principles.”

Dr. Young said, however, that he isn’t supporting either of the leading presidential candidates because he is a single-issue voter, and the issue is single-payer health care.

He said he was disappointed that Obama is “equivocating” on his support for single-payer health care, after saying in the past that he supported it. But he said Obama’s style — “cautious, deliberate, defensive” — was also familiar from the senator’s Hyde Park days.

“In fairness, there’s no double dealing,” he said. “It’s part of his stated strategy: He wants to get maximum unity.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630_Page2.html

I think politics can drive us all batty... i am reduced to posting videos I like that no one watches anyway :-)

GORDO,

What you need to understand is that if Jesus Christ, the son of God, were a candidate for the office today, the right wing smear machine would label him an ultra liberal because of his belief that the meek shall inherit the earth, call him soft on terror because he wouldn't be actively seeking out countries to conquer or exploit. I'm sure some people would call him a dirty hippy because of the long hair...point is, no one is safe from the attack.

Thanks, Dog!

I am a political junkie but this primary has got me very depressed. I couldn't bear to watch the debate last night. I used to watch Olbermann religiously and I can't even do that any more. I've lost so much respect for the man.

I'm very concerned that Dems are parroting RW talking points in order to flame each other. It will only arm the Repubs with more ammo that could very well lead to the demise of Democratic candidates in November. We need to remember as Democrats we not only have to convince the American people to vote for Dems but we have to contend with a hostile press that is all too eager to carry the water for the Republicans.

FWIW, painting women supporters of HRC as "angry" (a charge that is always leveled at strong women, btw)causes more polarization of the Dem base. Conversely, painting Obama supporters as "koolaid" drinkers doesn't help either.

I really wish Howard Dean would step in and remind both camps that we have to present a united front for the GE.

This has been one of the most negative Democratic primaries in recent memory. It stinks.

Wendy,

http://www.dailytexanonline.com that is where the quotes live you been coping all day.

here is the very first comment to your quotes.

quote:

Thinking Texan
posted 2/22/08 @ 7:55 AM CST
This is one of the most idiotic editorials I have ever read. For starters, you are "confused" by Senator Obama's "relative absence" from the state? He has visited every major Texas city, as well as UT, despite participating in and winning 10 primaries in a row before this one. Do you read any paper other than the Daily Texan?

The very abrasiveness you find off-putting in Candidate Clinton will be similarly off-putting to the members of Congress with whom she will have to work to "clean up" Washington. How do you think that will go over? And how clean do you think Candidate Clinton can make things when she is deeply indebted to the lobbyists who have been funding her campaign?

Finally, let's take a look at the campaigns these candidates have run to see what their management style is like. Senator Obama's campaign has been positive and steady, with no major defections among those he chose to lead. His leaders have competently (if not heroically) led the charge against an opponent who declared herself the inevitable winner, and now have positioned him in the lead. While doing this, they have stayed financially flush and paid their bills on time. In contrast, Candidate Clinton took a race that was hers to lose and is losing it, refused to disclose her income tax returns while Senator Obama has made his an open book, fired her senior staff at a crucial time in the campaign and is deeply in debt, having stiffed many of the vendors who helped get her here. Is that the kind of leadership you trust? unquote

yo soy Horsedooty!

EuroTom,

Not a video link but a memory....

Didja ever see the 1973 Public Theater "Much Ado About Nothing" CBS broadcast when it was running (actually, panting, falling and wheezing blood) on Broadway according to Joe Papp's theory that the nation would watch it, love it and come to NYC to visit its newest oldest bestest friend ever?

Show closed days after the airing.

But it meant a lot to me when I was 17... I had seen it at the Delacorte in Central Park, then on B'way.... and I reveled in that there was this guy playing Don Pedro who actually got the role... Douglass Watson a few months before he went all Mac on us.

It starred Sam Waterson as Benedick and Kathleen Widdoes who later joined AW as Rose... and who was a volunteer hostess at Stephanie's, a long closed 1st Avenue neighborhood place where one could always a) relax, b) hang with Kathleen and c) talk with Colin Powell about cars.

And then there was forgotten genius Marshall Effron as Balthasar who did a fine ragtime Hey Nonny Nonny.

Bear: You are spot on with your comments about the RW slime machine and Jesus Christ.

Our favorite bumper sticker in our house ... "Jesus would slap the shit out of you."

I would dearly love to put the sticker on my car, but I wouldn't enjoy getting routinely keyed. After all, that sticker is tailor-made for the neighborhood I live in here in GA. My son has it up on his bedroom door. I chuckle every time I see it.

Lobbyists on Obama’s ’08 payroll
By Alexander Bolton and Brittney Moraski
Posted: 12/20/07 07:59 PM [ET]
Three political aides on Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-Ill.) payroll were registered lobbyists for dozens of corporations, including Wal-Mart, British Petroleum and Lockheed Martin, while they received payments from his campaign, according to public documents.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/lobbyists-on-obamas-08-payroll-2007-12-20.html

Some are more smearable than others - Obama is new, very easy to target with lies and distortions!

EuroTom,

PS... as a real radio guy, you may remember Efron from his years on Pacifica Radio... and very possibly from his hosting and writing The Great American Dream Machine... on PBS... with some unknowns named Albert Brooks, Andy Rooney and Chevy Chase.

Soon after he hosted the pretty amazing, $2 buck an episode "Marshall Efron's Illustrated, Simplified and Painless Sunday School" for a few years...

Then vanished from sight into voicework.

That may be, GORDO.

But you take so much sanguine pleasure in it and offer so few if any helpful hints to fix the failings you sort of demonstrate but mainly remonstrate over.

9/11 no I don't. Of course in 1973 I was ... around 13 or 14 and living in Minnesota. Doug Watson was, in the words of Charles Keating, "a true Southern Gentleman"... He really was extraordinary.

Bear,

If only Scorsese had you doing his marketing when he released "The Last Temptation of Christ".

The reaction was so nuts that when Peter Gabriel released his excellent soundtrack, he called it "Passion" instead.

Or maybe he was just being Willem Dafoe's Saint Peter by denying him three times --

Once on the cover and once on each of the two disc set.

Totally. And one of his daughters (you know who she was) was just as amazing and inspiring.

I'm lucky. Where I live in Manhattan I get to see Charles Keating on the streets a few times a month. Always a joy to chat with him.

And Victoria Wyndham showed her usual good taste in letting down her famous guard to entertain you as her guest.

GaKaren, I get the feeling that most of us are disillusioned no matter which candidate we are supporting because this split is really painful and that, along with the Florida and Michigan mess created by Dr. Dean, is going to make it a rocky trip for the democrats.

thanks 9/11 ... She had already been in Seattle and I had interviewed her on the radio, and well we became friends. Her sister is a real lovely woman too.. and her son is an accomplished actor Chris Camargo...

gordo I submit the smear would be worse on Clinton. The reason I tend to jump and single you out is that when you post you never mention this is how they will attack. The post reads as this is your take on Obama. If you were a little more transparent maybe we would not raise your blood pressure.

yo soy Horsedooty!

From Dexter? That's wonderful -- I didn't know.

Just got off the phone with my friend in Toledo. He's been on special assignment working with the US Marshal's fugitive task force. He's been tracking down violent fugitives. Sounds like exciting work!

Horsedooty - yes - I didn't repost the link because it was posted earlier in this thread - I noted it was from the Daily Texan endorsement.

I think it's all pretty much moot at this point but they had some pretty good observations.

McCain is going to do a town meeting here next Monday.....I must live amongst a lot of repugs .... Going to go for the fun of it.

geeze sorry for bird dogging you today 9/11. We seem to be on the same track today.

yo soy Horsedooty!

senor horsedooty,

It would have been tough for any of the Dem contenders who made it through. (Except Gravel. They would have bowed down and worshiped him as America's volcano god.)

Gordo started out at an extreme and that kind of keeps him committed (whether from passion, hiccuping habit or embarassment) to playing Cassandra. If he were saying it about Hillary or Obama or Mrs. Kucinich, I'd respond the same way...

With indifference.

It's a serious, dirty biz... nationally, locally or at your local Grade 5 class election.

He's gonna keep being GORDOOM until the day comes when he either has to explain why he was right despite how things may turn out... or that he told us so all along.

Do you have trouble finding black and white 35mm film? Are you still shooting film (it always looks it) or do you use digital, too?

Yo soy Ishkabibble!

GAKaren - to your 6:11 pm post - good observations all the way around.

Senor horsedooty --

Going out for a walk together with you would be a total freakin' joy -- anywhere -- even in nicely sequenced blog posts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKaJR9klwF8

Yo soy Ishkabibble!

Posted by: 9/11 survivor (sort of) | February 22, 2008 6:44 PM

LOL

Sturge,

I grew up with a wonderful German Shorthair who had to suffer through two periods where there was a bird in the house.

so you know why the caged bird singing drives the bird dog nuts?

The extremely gentle nature of the campaign (Dem & Repub) has, I believe, lulled many into a sense that the GE will be the same. The new-to-politics crowd can be excused, but those of us who have watched past campaigns should know better. The only answer is to nominate the person best able to fight the Repubs - "battle tested".

That's funny. (You always are, sturge -- REALLY witty and right.)

But he wouldn't go nuts.

He just encased himself in his dignity... and gave us looks which made us feel around a thousand years less evolved than he was.

"Powerpac.Org, a San Francisco nonprofit advocacy group that supported Mr. Obama in the California primary, is swinging back into action on his behalf in Texas."

OMG - THAT IS SO SLIMY

;-)

ooops forgot the link to the article

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/outside-groups-advertising-in-ohio-texas/

GORDO,

Well, I haven't seen a single poll that claimed that...

Or read a blog that even suggested that notion...

Or any columnist calumnizing the voting public by claiming that they/we are so soft in our heads.

If you have... take out your nine irons and hit some links that claim what you claim.

9\11,
I don't shoot any film that small any more. all my work is considered Large Format with film sizes from 4x5 inches to 5x7 inches and lastly 8x10 inches. I can enlarge up to and including 5x7 inch film. the 8x10 stuff is all contact printed.

Black and white film can be bought on line (like at Freestyle in CA) and since you live in NYC B\W film can be purchased at B&H Photo. Kodak is no longer a player in B\W paper they do still supply film. they have changed the emulsions on most of the B\W films that I knew and used all my life now I don't know. I tend to want to use film companies that I think have my best interest at heart. That would be Ilford. They are English and their film compares favorably to Kodak's film.
Here at casa de Horsedooty digital is a bad word. I still do everything the old way. film and prints on silver paper.

yo soy Horsedooty!

YAY.. home for work (yes Karolenna, work!)

I'm hoping Persopolis wins best animated movie, but I'm assuming the Disney ppl will strong arm everyone.

9/11... Sarah Polley wrote the most amazing script from Alice Munro's beautiful story... I think the Coens may beat her, but that would be a shame. Cate Blanchett was fabbbulous as Dylan..

Wendy!

Edwards had the same problem/issue in (I think) Iowa -- and the 527 throwing elbows for him was run by a former campaign colleague and financed by more than a few of his own backers.

He asked them to stop. They told him -- who are you? You're only the freakin' candidate, dude!

I have no idea whether Obama has any relationship to that funky SF org. But I do remember that when 527's were legalized, a lot of us Dems (particularly those of us -- like me -- on the left) thought that was a darn good thing and raised a glass of money to toast Soros.

Now... welllllllllll....

Could you do a favor? When you find examples of what that particular group is pulling, would you post them here?

I'm also curious to see what the two groups which support Hillary and the Republican 527's do.

Wendy,

I musta notta seen them. sorry

yo soy Horsedooty!

Ty,

Polley is just the most amazing artist.

I want her to win.

What the Coen brothers succeeded at was a most unusual adaptation as their script was a literal adaptation that actually (for once in a billion years) worked as a movie.

That is hard with any book or even graphic novel.

It was considered beyond impossible to just make a Cormac McCarthy novel into a movie.

In Hollywood among writers (who are mainly guys)... that is considered a virgin birth.

Polley's work -- script and film -- for me exceeds every other film nominated except The Butterfly and The Diving Bell which is its peer.

Senor Horsedooty,

Miss Birdies feels as you do and admires your large format work.

The thing I love about Sarah is that she is so unabashedly Canadian :)

Ty,

Persepolis already won something better than any Oscar or any prize --

It's American distributor -- big studio at that -- bowed to the creator's insistence that the original French speaking voice performances be used with subtitles...

Instead of hiring (say) Claire Danes and Breckin Meyer (to name two of the usual dubbing suspects).

That's better than any award for the filmmakers and their audience.

they did make "All the Pretty Horses" into a movie. I heard the first edit was like 5 or 6 hours. I am not sure it was successful but it sure had some downright gorgeous landscapes in the movie. I was ok and could suspend belief for 2 hours. I know some cowboy types that did not like it because it differed from the book.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Ty,

She comes from one of the best families on earth, too.

I so respect and esteem them.

My belief is an extrapolation from what I've seen, heard and read.

Senor Horsedooty

That's the example and the director was Billy Bob.

The Coen Brothers have a really different sort of intellect when it comes to planning and executing film scripts. For me a really good example is how they turned the early 30's crime melodrama into "Miller's Crossing". That was less immediate a thing than was Blood Simple's comparatively direct transformation from a standard noir.

McCarthy's novels just don't cry out -- adapt me! Make me better!

What they did was translate it with stunning fidelity and zero losses.

9/11 ..they really screwed up the foreign film category this year.. and the music categories too... utter horsedooty (sorry doots)

GORDO,

Well.... Martin Buber would be pleased. You've transcended the subject-object relationship most people take pains to limit themselves to with news events and have gone total subject-subject.

I'm not quite sure that's worth an attaboy...

But it makes a soul wanna reach for an ativan.

Gordo,
Sometimes people have to learn the hard way....I understand what you are saying.

Ty,

Totally with foreign films and original songs.

But Dario Marianelli's Atonement score is a thing of both dramatic truth and beauty. I went to see the movie only because it would be my first experience to hear his work on a good theater's sound system.

That typing...

I listen to his score for I Capture The Castle at least once weekly.

OMG..... 9/11... i was transfixed for Blood Simple..to this day it's one of my faves.. Fargo too, but Blood Simple got me really interested in the Coens..

damn... for=by

didnt the Coens do Raising Arizona too? "hi HY" hahahaha

ty,

They're amazing guys -- good guys, individual without putting on a performance. (Except when they ride those high rising open glass elevators in hotel rooms around the world -- saw them do that at the Times Square Marriot for who knows how long.)

I dunno if this is still the case... but Joel and Frances McDormand had a home on the Upper West Side... a log cabin (real one) they had built on a roof of a building that sold them the rights.

Now that doesn't happen too often around here -- but it became a mania in Berlin (though not with log cabins) when I was getting plays produced there in the earlier 90's.

We in the industry know that behind every successful screenwriter stands a woman. And behind her stands his wife.

Author: Groucho Marx

I have met Billy Bob and we share a mutual friend who is a musician and producer. If I ever get to meet BBT again I really want to talk to him about All the Pretty Horses. I think the next book in the Trilogy-the Crossing- would make a very cool movie also. Cities of the Plains I thought was as fine a book as any I have read.

isn't No Country for Old Men a Cormac McCarthy book? I seem to remember that.

yo soy Horsedooty!

That's theirs! They own a lot of what's really wonderful... including every guy's inner life story... their second noir turned inside out (which turned Altman's The Long Goodbye, already a noir turned inside out inside out) The Big Lebowski.

We all of us are The Dude.

Well, a few of us are Donny.

And too many morons are Walter.

But we all SHOULD be The Dude.

(BTW -- Joel does the great music-based sequences in their movies.)

Craig,

Your CQ producer is one talented dude. He really gets you and makes your words and presence into one fine, funny, memorable piece of work.

Good for both of you and everyone else, too.

Roseanne Barr on experience vs. inspiration:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roseanne-barr/experience-vs-inspiratio_b_87982.html

"Raising Arizona" is one of the greatest movies of all time.

Of course I thought "The Blues Brothers" was a great musical, "Caddyshack" a great love story, "Airplane!" a great drama. and "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?" a great Greek tragedy.

I play 2 movies over and over in the shop as background.......Spinal Tap and The Big Lebowski......

If I had the Blues Brothers, there would be 3

"That aint no Hank Williams song......."

---Bob of Bob's Country Bunker

senor horsedooty,

I have this one thought which stays flexible since I became a writer.

Whenever I'm either approached to write an adaptation or want to adapt something myself.... I consider exactly what what I'd be messing with would gain from either my adaptation or anyone's.

I wouldn't change McCarthy's books into anything else. They are excellent as they are. I was surprised by how the Coens succeeded....

But I still gave the book a hug and reread it with greater pleasure.

Billy Bob is a great artist wherever he chooses to go. From what I've read and heard, the messes were really typical Harvey Weinstein based.

Which is most likely why no director's cut was authorized,funded and released -- pure Weinstein spleen, pus and piss against Billy Bob's telling him whatever he clearly told him as often as he had to.

NEW THREAD

dnd,

Don't let anyone say you're wrong.

struge and DND,

Nobody alive -- including Ken Marshall in Chicago -- has done something so original as to make John Landis look bad for how he staged his musical numbers in both Blues Brothers films.

And, yes, Thriller, too.

Spinal Tap is the best rock-u-mentary. Ever. Dude.

The Big Lebowski is certainly Fellini's finest directorial effort.

ps. If you regard Rosanne Barr as an astute political analyst, I'm going to have to rethink my support for the Sturge '08 campaign ;)

Tylenol: I may be a little "dense", but what does this mean: "YAY.. home for work (yes Karolenna, work!)"

Please explain.

How to build a presidential candidate
What do we need? First we need someone who looks good and definitely speaks well because the last guy certainly couldn’t do that. Should we use an actor? No, that’s already been done. It worked well before but maybe it’s a little too obvious. Let’s also get him to sound a little like a preacher to pull in some of those evangelicals, that would be a nice touch. A little color would also help. It will pull in minority groups and protect him from criticism because we can yell racism if anyone gets too mean. It helps that his opponent has been bashed for many years so she is already very vulnerable and this county is really not ready for a woman. God help us if women are given the chance to show they can do a better job. Hey we may just have to start paying them as much as we do men. That wouldn’t be good.
Now that we have found the right guy we’ll put him up at the convention to test out our choice. Needs a rousing speech. Good that worked. We don’t need any original material. It’s better to use something that worked before and most people won’t recognize that they have heard it before.
Hey I think we got it! It’s working.

9/11 wrote:

"Could you do a favor? When you find examples of what that particular group is pulling, would you post them here?"

Thing is - I don't really care - hence my ;-) - It was merely a little funnin' on my part.

:-)

O/T Horsedooty, haven't used my Linhof in years. Still play with my Rollei TLR every once in a while. Have a bunch of film in the freezer for it. I used to really like the Agfa orthochromatic--really slow stuff like asa20.

If anyone heard and saw Susan Rice, a senior advisor to the Obama campaign, on Tucker Carlson tonight we know what makes the Obama machine work. It is pure intelligence. That lady could run for president herself. She amazed me with her quickness to answer questions with clarity and the intelligence with which she answered Tucker's questions. Frankly, I believe he was amazed as well.

Need I say more? And, this is from a mature, white female and not one of color.

Flatus,

never had a LInhof nice cameras. that film depending on how long it has been frozen may have some age fog on now. if that is the case you may be able to just raise the film speed by say 1/3 or 2/3s and shoot it fine.

here is a paragraph on cosmic rays that are known to be a problem with films that have been frozen for a long time.

There are two main components to film aging are temperature and cosmic rays. The cosmic ray component is very very slow; and varies with the asa of the emulsion. A frozen emulsion radically slows down the temperture component; but does nothing to the cosmic ray component. Shielding for cosmic rays requires hundreds of feet of solid rock. An IBM researcher did studies on soft error rates on memory; versus cosmic rays; and measured the error rate versus cosmic ray count. He had tests done in caves; and at ground level.

is this color or b\w film? you really should shoot it.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Horsedooty

Yes, I should use it. It's all color for the Rollei. Without looking, I think it's vericolor pro. The last time I used some was three or four years ago--was okay then.

Your talking of cosmic rays made me think of the research project someone was doing in salt mines up north. I guess they were looking for stray subatomic particles.

My Linhof is _really_ old--from the 1930s. No coated lens, but has all the tilts and swings. It's 3-1/4x4-1/4.

Had a beautiful old Leica Model D Standard from the same era. It was stolen (my fault) in Korea in '64. It had the collapsible Elmar lens so would fit easily in a shirt pocket. Loved it.

Replaced it with a Nikon that I didn't like nearly so much. Gave that one to a nephew who used it for years and did some really nice work with it.

The Rolleiflex is a wonderful camera. It was always a pleasure to use.

Photography isn't the same any more--but neither am I. ))

This is really funny, yet inappropriate...

I want to be UNDER Barack Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xb3bDwE9jQ