Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Woo Woo.

Buchanan on MoJo. "White people won't vote for Obama."

Thanks for that, Pat.

Can't believe I'm first! Good point about the organizing for the caucuses. Some of the caucus locations were also problematic. I was phone banking for Hillary voters in Washington State and I heard from older voters who didn't want to have to take a ferry to go caucus. Why were these caucuses held so far away from these voters?

Grass roots in Maine?

An Obama organizer walked right into my office and asked me if I was going to the caucus.

Hillary sent me an e-mail.

Buchanan actually said that? One more reason to stay tuned to CNN until C-Span comes on....

How the MSM now frames Obama vs Clinton...

Clinton: Malfunctioning Machine.

Obama: Children's Crusade.

Patsi: Well...that wasn't EXACTLY what he said. I am not a reliable source. (But that was what he meant.)

The Office shake up in the Clinton Campaign kind of sucks the oxigen out of the room...I like Doyle and she showed great inteligence.

But some times campaigns morph into something that needs an injection of something different.

With the 5 mill loan and now this, Clinton had better come off this with something really earth shattering for she may have just given her run a last breath.

What Buchanan actually said...

"White people in the south and ethnic blue collar Democrats in the rest of the country, "Reagan Democrats," will not vote for Obama. They'll vote for McCain and the Democrats can't win without them."

I wonder if the Clinton campaign will use this argument,

Whiny Lanny Davis (Clintonite) is on MSNBC. Lanny was point spin man during "Le-Affaire de Lewinsky."

Apparently, the MSM is misinterpreting what really happened this weekend. He just said Hillary is "attracting blue collar voters." So...it took about 3 minutes for the Clintonistas to pick up on the Buchanan analysis and use racist code words.

Jeez. Now Buchanan is back on, AGREEING WITH LANNY.

Drinking Game.
I'd love to see a youtube video of Lanny Davis & Tucker Carlson taking turns slapping each other and tossing back wine coolers.

A number of pro-Hillary military people around here who plan to vote for McCain if Obama gets the DEM nomination. These are mostly retired senior officers who have been actively working on Hillary's campaign. (There's a lot of people like that around NoVA.) The Bush war record flipped them to the DEM column and an Obama-McCain race will send them back to the GOP.

A pretty good number of women DEMs are deeply upset with the Obama campaign's continual dissing of Hillary. People walked out on BO's speech at the JJ Dinner in Richmond on Saturday. They did not appreciate paying $175 -250 a ticket for a DEM fundraiser that was hijacked by Governor Tim Kaine to be a campaign rally for Obama. I was sitting at a table with some major donors to Clinton who also gave thousands to Kaine and they were pissed. Tim Kaine better not ask for their help anytime soon.

Obama needs to change his tone if he hopes to have any party unity left should he win the nomination

Krugman in today's NYT...

"I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. We’ve already had that from the Bush administration — remember Operation Flight Suit? We really don’t want to go there again."

Record Dem turnout in Maine. This from today's "Bangor Daily News."

Not only was the caucus in Belfast delayed for more than an hour as clerks registered new or party-switching voters, the site was so crowded it had to be moved from the Troy Howard Middle School cafeteria to the gymnasium. Hundreds of voters filled the chairs on the floor and both sets of bleachers to pick delegates to the state party convention.

"I’ve been doing this for 18 years and I’ve never seen anything like this at a caucus," Belfast City Clerk Roberta Fogg said after handling the new registrants. "This is the first time I’ve ever had more than a handful. At the Republican caucus last week, I think I had four."

Divalicious

It's good to have an "I was there" report about the J/J dinner. At the time, I was in a major back and forth about why my teeth were on edge about the Obama presentation. Your paragraph explains it all.

Some here have raked me over the coals about having doubts on voting for Obama if he is the nominee. If Mr. and Mrs. Obama are saying their voters won't vote for Hillary, and Mrs. Obama says he would have to "think about it" when asked if she would support Clinton, then why should I support them?

I'll probably vote Dem simply because it is in the best interest of the country, but speak to your candidates not me ... they waffled first.

"So...it took about 3 minutes for the Clintonistas to pick up on the Buchanan analysis and use racist code words."

Nash -- this is utter bullsh#t. You and others are playing the race card so much that -- as I told you one of my black political friends worried about -- you are turning Barack into the affirmative action candidate.

Patsi: I was joking.

"Tryin' to make me go to rehab, I say, no, no, no."
-George Winehouse Bush

I am soooooooooooo sick of the racist remarks...I am so tired of anything said that people don't agree with they go OH THATS CODE for RACISM. I think this is getting so annoying.

I don't dislike Senator and Mrs. Obama because they are black. I dislike them on their own merits. They did it the old fashioned way. They earned it.

"Annoyance" is a code word for racism.

Other code words for racism:
shoe, nostalgia, aqueous.

(They're everywhere.)

You have nailed it, Craig. The demcore has never had a good ground game here in southern New Mexico. And HRC represents the demcore. BHO is a new type of candidate and that is "why" he is getting out the vote. HRC is benefiting from the loyal demcore. So, I still believe it will come down to the convention and Superdelegates (I need an acronym for them...too much to type).

CNN has a poll on the Superdelegates and it is interesting how HRC and BHO are approaching the Superdelegates...two were interviewed. Different approach, different motivation. They are approaching the voters differently.

Throughout the years, every dem rallies here have been a joke...really not for new voters, but for the loyalists. Turned-off a lot of peeps.

I still remain loyal to HRC. I do not need motivation, but I do not think I represent the average voter.

I worked all day yesterday and have a full week...I spent the day with my boss...she is floundering. Her brother died a week ago and my BIL died a few months back. We both are in our grief spiral and I tried to help her focus yesterday...we are in the middle of merger. Must work..Must work..Must work.

To celebrate, hubby (who also worked yesterday) watched Sicko. Just to drive home all this dying. I really have to look at those candidate health plans again or move. : )

Must work...Must work....

Most Hillary people know that these are the roughest days of the campaign. Obama does have a better strategy to win caucuses in small and mostly red states where there aren't many Democratic voters. Hillary's strength is in the larger states. The Chesapeake Primary will likely go pro-Obama -- but there is an excellent district -by- district analysis of the Virginia delegate situation done by Not Chuck Robb -- which shows hat Hilary can still pull a good number of delegates out of the Old Dominion. http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/

Not sure about Maryland. Hillary has the support of the Governor there. She may as well cede Prince William County and Baltimore City -- but don't automatically count Montgomery County in the Obama column -- there is a heavy Latino vote there and combined with large populations of seniors in Silver Spring (Leisure World) and Bethesda (Pooks Hill). It would depend on how big a vote comes out of Baltimore City and PG County. Maryland is a closed primary also -- can't vote unless registered by party within 120 days of the election. That doesn't help Obama. His big rally at UMd is more for show -- the closed voter registration in Maryland makes it difficult for students to vote.

BW: Excellent comment.

I propose a new official Crawfordslist Acronym:
Super Delegates = SDs

A partial list of acronyms & code words:
MoJo: Moring Joe
MoDo: Maureen Dowd
Tweety: Chris Matthews
BO: Barak Obama
HRC: Hillary Rodam Clinton
Dems: Democrats
Repugs: Republicans
KO: Ketih Olbermann
Billary: Clinton Dynasty

Did I forget any?

PaBu.........pat buchanan?

Sturgeone and Nash

: ) I need a cheat sheet, thanks. SD it is.

And I love PaBu.

And Nash, my new persona is using BHO as requested.

CheShe.........cheat sheet

ha ha ha .........JoKe...........john kerry

I am very anxious to watch MLRO on Larry King tonight. For her husband's sake, I sincerely hope she leaves all her cockiness at home. 8)

Jamie and Diva: Props on your comments regarding the JJ dinner. I was not online Saturday night while watching the speeches and then came on Sunday morning with the stupid remark, "Any thoughts on the speeches last night?" Not knowing the dialogue that had been in a previous thread. I felt Obama's speech to be very off in tone and tenor and I am glad to know it wasn't just me. If Obama is to be the nominee, can we please start unifying the party...quick-like?

I didn't realize Roy Scheider was 75. He was one of my favorites particularly in "All That Jazz" though everybody will remember Jaws

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/movies/11scheider.html?em&ex=1202878800&en=d67b73161697dc8d&ei=5087%0A

What is racist about the term blue-collar Democrats aka lunch box Democrats? Hasn't the term been around forever? Is blue-collar code for white? Please explain.

Diva: Why did Washington put the Presidential Primary Vote on the ballot if they were only counting the caucus results? Many people I know thought they could just vote on the paper ballot.

Also: Hillary's ground game should include sending buses to nursing homes. I took 4 old ladies to the Iowa caucus and it was very challenging as some of them had walkers, wheelchairs etc. (this is not a joke.) The Clinton campaign should have had special vans picking these people up and they just weren't there.

HALPERIN’S TAKE: 10 Things Clinton Can Do to Survive February

http://thepage.time.com/halperins-take-10-things-clinton-an-do-to-survive-february/

love the "Hillambo" pic !!

Mornin' all

HRC's new theme song for her revamped campaign

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWWXWZZBCuI

Jack

Not to just slam one side

Obama's Campaign theme song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5SVDYBNrY

Jack

errrrrrrrrrr Jack

Hand reaches out and rapidly covers Jamie's mouth ...

glufhhtu=s mmmmumble

The reporting on the Solis Doyle and Williams change over are interesting. Apparently Solis Doyle got into the weeds and was micro managing every decision incluiding whether to order bagels or doughnuts for events. Williams has been there for over a month
and apparently the "other guys" have been trying to get rid of Solis Doyle since Iowa.

Ok
Just one more.

In an attempt to expand her base HRC is reaching out to the urban youth vote with this new theme song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TlKEQ2nIyo

Jack

WSJ has a MObama on the front page...her graph pic looks sort of mean...and her eyes are definitely looking left.

Must work...must work....off now....be careful out there and keep an eye out for the other guy.

Bagels vs. Doughnuts IS a big decision! What does pastry choice say about a campaign anyway?

Blond,

Since I'm always yowling about bias in the photos of Senator Clinton, I have to admit that someone didn't have the best interests of the Obamas at heart in that picture.

http://online.wsj.com/article/infogrfx_photos_of_the_day.html?mod=hpp_us_photos

Ok
I lied

From the HRC fan club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdDxz2bkfhE

Jack
Yes I'm on my second pot of coffee. Why do you ask?

the first mistake is limiting the choice to bagels v doughnuts...what about bear claws and cinnamon buns? And of course there are regional considerations as well.

That may address the loss in Washington State, home of the Cinnabon!

Congressman Tom Lantos has passed away.

Jack - Stop trying to get me into trouble. I'm really, really trying to select judicious words today.

Endorsements you probably don't want: John Bolton just endorsed John McCain. Blechhhhhhh fwo up in my mouf time.

Good Morning Craig, Interesting take on the leaving of Doyle and the weekend from hell for Hillary. IMO Doyle has two young children and none of us know why she stepped down. When a political ad comes on tv, I turn the channel. So I really don’t think they are as vote leading as they once where…………say before the internet. Maybe BO needs them, but I don’t think Hillary does for name recognition. Same with phone calls or fliers, I don’t answer, and I throw the paper in the circle file. Could it be that Hillary has a plan? Maybe to get him off center, give him a taste of victory so it is only sweeter when he loses?

What’s the latest word on the delegates from your home state?

Ally -- For the DEMs the caucus results determined the allocation of 100% delegates, so the primaries really didn't matter. For the GOP, primary results would allocate 51% and caucuses would allocate 49%. The Primary will be held on Feb 19th.

Just in case MSNBC can't find a correct photo of her, here is a picture of Maggie Williams

http://www.iop.harvard.edu/images/fellows_photos/S2005fellow_williams.jpg

and some background:

Prior to the campaign: Chief of staff to former president Bill Clinton managing both his foundation and his personal staff. Prior to joining the Clinton Foundation, Williams was president of Fenton Communications, a 37 person company specializing in delivering media and advertising services to nonprofit and advocacy organizations. From 1993-97, Williams served in the White House as one of seventeen assistants to President Clinton. During that period she also served as Chief of Staff to First Lady Hillary Clinton and was the first person to hold both positions concurrently

Diva: Will they release the primary results?

Tom Lantos has died. This is the second hero is a few days -- in Virginia we lost a great man in Mitch VanYehres.
http://www.democraticcentral.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1491

jamie

It looks like the Neocons are having no trouble supporting McCain. Perhaps the biggest reason not to vote for him are the neocons that will be a major part of his administration. That and like Ted Kennedy he is an out of control maverick most of the time. I don't think he has built up a lot of trust in the Senate.

BTW glad you like the music selection for your morning coffee
Jack

dog's eye -- Can you help me find a photo to help my sister (a Republican who gets TONS of anti-Obama and Hillary emails) refute that bogus hand-over-the heart story? I've been sending her snopes reports and such about the Muslin crap et al, but one of her most rabid right wing emailers wants a photo as "proof"....

By the way, while my sis is a Hillary supporter, she is rigorously defending Obama against this stuff.

"What’s the latest word on the delegates from your home state? -- Posted by: Linda~in~Wisconsin"

-- Florida Dem activists i've talked to see no resolution if no presumed nominee emerges before the convention to seat them. For the first time, their bitterness seems extendable to the general election unless Clinton is the nominee, as she is the only one they perceive as caring about the state. But the GOP gov, Charlie Crist, is riding so high after delivering FL to McCain that he might be able to keep FL out of reach for Dems no matter who they nominate. Definitely looking like the Dem Plan A for November might have to leave FL out of th equation.

-- What about Wisconsin, Linda:? Think it should be a hot one, we need your Trailspotting

Some easy on the ears music for those just waking up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1sLrRlCobY

Jack

Tan...I was wondering that too - what about "blue collar workers" is racist? Blue collar workers come from all ethnic backgrounds.

But I didn't see the segmant Nash is referring to so I don't know the entire story.

But this is just like the "fairy tale" comment getting turned into a racist remark. From...Obama's record on the war is a fairy tale to Obama's candidacy a fairy tale...huh?

Lantos had been ill for awhile and had already dropped out of the Congressional race. He was being challenged in the primary by Jackie Spiers who was shot and survived Jonestown. At the time she was an aid to Congressman Leo Ryan who died at Jonestown.

Wendy: I am still looking for a code explanation on blue-collar as well.

dog's Eye
The current rate of exchange is going to injure your credit card no matter what you pick, but within reason:

The one I brought back with me was Glengoyne 20 year old.

http://www.glengoyne.com/age_verification.php

It's a single malt and very, very smooth. It comes from the Argyle region which is a little unusual since so many of the Great Scotches are from the Highlands and Islands. The cheapest Gengoyne on their website was about $50 for a twelve year old and that is about as young as you want to get.

I like the Islay whiskeys as well. They have a rather "smoky" rich flavor and something of an acquired taste but very very good.

http://www.laphroaig.com/

way off topic, but re: Leo Ryan.. that shooting and the koolaid aftermath was what solidified my vague notion of wanting to be a journalist... I was IN Journalism 101 when all that happened..

Of course, if Clinton had put more effort into caucuses, it's possible Obama would have matched or exceeded that effort, knowing even more would be required to win. So there's no straight-line extrapolation of "if we did this," then "this would have happened." Not this year.

tylenol

It certainly was a bizarre time in SF, It came right after the assasinations of Moscone and Milk.
Jim Jones had been very active in local politics and needless to say some straight reporting would have been helpful. The rumor mills were grinding it out 24/7.

The general election is not a caucus. Hillary has delivered most of the biggest primary prizes (I will grant you a "so far" qualifier to this statement.)

As I have always said about the Clintons, they know how to work the standard political machine. That is why Republicans are more afraid of a Clinton victory...she will get through more of her agenda than Obama could ever hope to precisely for this reason.

The caucuses have definitely gotten the Clintons off their game.

Craig,

Can I come drink at your house?

-- What about Wisconsin, Linda:? Think it should be a hot one, we need your Trailspotting

Well Craig, nationally they have BO as the favorite. State wide, I haven’t seen any polls yet. Gov is for BO and Lt. Gov is for Hillary. Feingold hasn’t endorsed anyone yet. We have a population that is very diverse; in that the southern region is more progressive and the northern region more realistic. But then, it is the home of the republican party!! (No hate mails, Please!!)

All of my friends, students and their parents are for Hillary, I don’t know one person in this little town that is voting for BO. There were a few Edward fans though. I will keep you posted as I check the major papers daily.

I just heard on MSNBC that all of the BO got all of the 24 delegates in Maine. How can that be?

hmmm, u billiary supporters (u know who u are) are really having a hard time accepting reality. i know you all had a bad weekend and it looks like you gonna have a bad month.... my suggestion to u is stop the whining and stop being a cry baby. its over for biliiary! and if u choose not to vote for obama who cares we will just find new voters to replace you. and we will find new voters to replace the blue collar and southern white red-necks that wont vote for obama because of his skin color. every prez election at least 50 percent of eligible voters dont even vote. we will convince enough of them to vote obama which means u can take your bat and ball and go home, and pout, and not vote at all or vote mccain, it will not matter. all cry baby billiary supporters that wont vote for obama will be replaced!!!!

Linda: What is up with Feingold? Any idea which way he is leaning? Or if he even plans to endorse?

Another rude, crude, and racist message from John R that is absolutely guaranteed to turn Clinton supporters into Obama lemmings.

You must work for the Clinton campaign since you are making the Obama campaign look so bad.

Ally Feingold may or may not endorse depending on the paper you read. Same for Kohl. Rep. Baldwin is on her side and she has a good standing in the state and in Washington. Our gov. is a jerk!!

Wisconsin has had some great senators
My personal favorite in Gaylord Nelson

jamie, my comments were really directed at u! quit whining and stop being a cry baby. and we wont miss ur vote :)

Jamie,

Whats with the Republicans in your state. How long does it take to count Republican votes? There can't be that many of them. I wonder are they having trouble counting past 3?
I love Josh Marshals comment on Boss Hog

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/177867.php

Jack

johnr

better be careful cheeto dust can explode

LOL
You people are just having too much fun with these sock puppets.

Jack

Republican Rats : "Why are so many Republicans touting Barack Obama? It started with Karl Rove, then Peter Wehner, then David Brooks, and now Peggy Noonan. Sorry, but the scent of rat is getting more intense. Others are smelling it too. David Seaton: In today's Wall Street Journal, she joins such arch-conservative pundits as George Will and David Brooks in praising Barack Obama and favoring him for the Democratic nomination.

... .. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to smell a rat here.

To me it's perfectly obvious that the right wing is licking their chops in anticipation at facing Obama. ... .. I think it would be childlike to believe that Karl Rove hasn't done his homework already.. They are drooling in anticipation.

Why do they "like" Obama so much?

Because they are terrified of Hillary Clinton, that's why. ..."
http://www.taylormarsh.com/

After the South Carolina debacle, i wrote to the Clinton campaign via myspace. The Obama people have done incredible work utilizing MySpace! There are daily posting bulletins about events, announcements on buying t-shirts, bumper stickers and the like, and then they created separate Obama myspaces for each state and asked each supporter to sign up on that state's Obama space. I asked the Clinton team why they were not also utilizing MySpace better as an organizing tool. Of course no answer. Current count of people on MySpace alone is 223,690,521. Surely this is a resource that the Clinton people ignored too much at their own peril. I can't even speak on Facebook or other online communities.

It is day and night. Clinton has her one MySpace place and Obama is state by state and even using myspace to get people to vote for online polls such as the MySpace Impact awards, or voters' preferences. I may be wrong, but you know, I gotta hand it to Mr. Obama and his team. They are going where the people are. I still am for Hillary, but if she doesn't win, I rather agree with Craig's analysis... "you can't reap what you didn't sow".

One more thing, it annoys me that no one wrote back. Ok, that's it... if you're gonna flame me, be kind :-)

McCain the real enemy Go Democrats!

http://www.americablog.com/2008/02/you-saw-obama-video-now-watch-mccain.html

CT

LOL good one

Jack

Jack,

If you look up thread a bit, the Republicans are waiting for the Primary. Their party decided to base part of their delegate count on the caucus and another part on the primary. The primary doesn't happen until February 19

I am getting tired of everything that folks say is being interpreted as racially coded. Blue collar has ling been used as a term. It is not racist to say black people vote for Obama in significant numbers of women vote for Clinton.

I happen to be a black , female business owner who will vote for Clinton. Enough of looking for fires where there is no smoke.

concern troll, lol

Ally -- Continuing On the Washington primary/caucus hybrid. I'm sure the primary results will be public information after it's held on the 19th. The GOP will use the results to pick 51% of thier delegates. DEMs used the caucuses to allocate 100% of their delegates so I don't know how the results would matter, unles to guide the SDs in which candidate they support.

ladyeagle, there is nothing wrong with being a minority oops i mean being in the minority lol u should feel proud being in the 10 percent AA diehards still voting for billiary. however ur vote is wasted because billiary is finished! the only thing thats remaing to do at billiary political funeral is the closing prayer :)

dog's eye -- Thanks for that Wash Post link! That is GREAT!

ET

Part of the problem with My Space and Facebook may be the natural Clinton demographic. Speaking for myself, I really, really don't like using either. Just signing up means you will be absolutely innundated with junk emails. Now I know how to get rid of the phishers and viagra ads, but I would guess that a good number of Hillary supporters are asking their kids and grandkids for help.

I think Lord Voldemort's kid brother is in this chat

Tom Daschle is organizing the super delegate lobbying for the Obama campaign.

I don't get junk mails or spams via My Space... The messages that HIllary could send out would be only to people who signed up as her friend.

Oh and Jamie, congratulations for being quoted in Craig's column today. I feel like I am friends with a sort of celebrity. xoxoxox

TEMPERAMENT: Unlike his rival, Obama has never experienced a tough campaign _ and it shows at times. Remember when he said in New Hampshire that Clinton was "likable enough"? It grated on female voters. He needs to avoid looking rude, crabby or cocky. His friends would tell you that's not always easy for him.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004167029_apondeadlinesupertuesday06.html

Purely reflective celebrity Tom :)

He's a famous political commentator and my state was the most recent.

Thanks for the military connection, dog's eye -- that will be fantastic....

Tom Daschle is a great progressive. He really impressed the people of South Dakota by saying he really lived in Washington DC and then still asked them to support him. LOSER! He was such a weak wanker when he was majority leader. Like Tom Foley as Speaker. These guys were not tough... too much "practical politics"

Why does Daschle hate Hillary?

Tom,

The junk mail doesn't come from My Space it comes from the bots that pick up your home email. I started playing Scrabulous on Facebook with friends and my regular inbox was on the receiving end of more than 100 a day, till I finally got them all cleaned out.

Gary Bauer just endorsed McBush.

Lordy, is John R the new face of theYoung Democrats?

For those anti war folks who missed it, an Obama rep on MSNBC just changed his position (with a whole lot of hemming and hawing) to Clinton's.

Basically, no "Commander In Chief" can absolutely guarantee immediate removal because he has to consider the well being of the troops and conditions on the ground.

Isn't that what the lady has been saying from the beginning of this campaign?

The Best Pollsters
SurveyUSA posts a "report card" on the most active pollsters during the presidential primaries.

Most Accurate:

SurveyUSA
Gallup
Research 2000
Quinnipiac
Strategic Vision
Least Accurate:

Los Angeles Times
American Research Group
Mason-Dixon http://www.politicalwire.com/

Oh but I heard that is the case of facebook, but I haven't seen it on MySpace...

the big problrm with the dem party is this stupid proportional delagate distribution.......if these primaries were winner take all we would be talking about super delagates ........now we have a mathematical impossibility of neither haviving 2025 delagates by the last primary on june 6th.........winner take alll primaries and no caucuses would be the best way to go .......yesterday they caucused for 6 hrs....how many people will give up that much time ....older people wont caucus ....half cant get to the caucus and half wont sit for 5-6 hours ......the dems always cause their own problems thats why the dems only had one president in the last 27 years

" Your sister sounds like a good person."

She's a pistol, dog's eye....she was ready to abandon the Repub party (she's of the Rockefeller Repub type)...then decided to stay and fight it out against the right wing nuts trying to take over.

jamie - I made the mistake of participating in zogby surveys back in the fall - my inbox got inundated within a couple of days with ads for everytihing from Baby Gap to Viagra, and although we can block from addresses and domains, those morphed automatically and it took me and the IT guys over a month to get those damn things blocked. Our IT guys suggested setting up a hotmail or Yahoo mail account to use for surveys, etc. Word to the wise who become bot vicitms.

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/polls/pdfs/american_research_group-wisconsin-polls-feb6to7.pdf

According to this poll Hillary is leading in WIs.

With either Facebook or MySpace, it takes a certain level of computer literacy that might be difficult for people who may have trouble responding to the "You've Got Mail" voice from AOL. :-)

two presidents zumper. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton

Just a thought: it seems the Obama supporters are quick at "counting the chickens"... if you know what I mean. They basically think this thing is over. Time will tell, but such arrogance can certainly backfire.

Oban is a good scotch. And I promise I did not select this because of the similarity to ... well you know.

I bought a bottle for my friend many years ago as a house-warming gift.

jamie
reagan in 1980 since then only clinton ....1980 *2007
thats 27 years right

Who Are They?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSLvcJ4I1mw

Zumper

Reagan/Bush 1981 - 1988
Bush/Quayle 1989 - 1992
Clinton/Gore 1993 - 2000
Bush/Cheney 2001 - 2008

That is 8 years for Clinton
20 years for Bush

Try not to lump them together.

a good obama ad

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid353515028/bctid1410389960

Jack

good morning gang....

Blonde wino.... I understand.... I'm working a lot lately.... good thing I'm disciplined.... I work for myself and could easily spend too much time here.... (well... actually... sometimes I have....)

dog..... Rick really likes the 2 Glens...... Glenlivet and Glenfiddich.... I buy the 18yr ones for him...... the last bottle I bought was Glenlivet and the 18 yr was around $65....

Craig..... nice analysis as usual.....

Just in case there's anyone in the Muslim world who still likes us, Bush wants to EXECUTE 6 Gitmo prisoners.

You know. the people who have no lawyers, who have been tortured, who will be tried by "military tribunals" (farcical proceedings that don't even resemble fair trials).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/us/11gitmo.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

See when I read John R's venomous sh*t posts here, I just once again makes me NEVER ever want to vote for Obama. Talk about how NOT to make friends and influence people.

John R. is not the face of the new Democrats. He sounds like someone used to the slash-and-burn politics of the past who is now trying to use those same tactics to support Obama.

zumper

If what you see so far is making you mad just look at the Texas primary rules.
Reform anyone ?

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/texass_unique_primaucus.php

Has anyone else been watching MSNBC today? I may just have mellowed out, but I would guess there was a severe talking to for staff other than Schuster.

The constant Clinton attack machine seems to have had its volume turned down if not completely off.
MoJo not around and Mika whose (daddy works for Obama) a shade less nagging, The reporter/anchors are asking more straight forward rather than leading questions and the guests are more fairly balanced from both campaigns rather than piling on with several Obama's in a row.

Let's see if it continues. Pretty was pretty bad when FOX was providing more accurate and balanced coverage.

Craig?

HuffPo (huffingtonpost.com) says Edwards is about to endorse....either Obama or Clinton.

I wonder what kind of deal he's going to get?
VP Plus...Cheney-like powers?

"I get to start ONE war, my choice, any country."
"And Bill gets sent to Antarctica to do a penguin count."

Ohio and it's rusty Democratic political machine
is currently polling in favor of Clinton.

Nash, I am a firm believer that the punishment should fit the crime. Does that mean death penalty? No, I don't think so... But I think a punishment that takes lives should result in a life sentence. You do the crime, you do the time. Something Belgium cannot figure you.

As for being hated throughout the world, Muslims are just one group that fits the description. GW sure has done a good job isolating America during his tenure as President. He should be proud.

Tom

Oh and Nash, I agree that no access to lawyers, and the use of "military tribunal" are both incredibly wrong. But remember, "America does not torture" ...

People
WE WONT HAVE A WINNER ....you people on both sides are dreamers if you think there not going to be a war over this nomination........we are heading for a crash ......the dem system has created this problem .....you win your own state and only gain 40 delagates ,,,,,,,he wins maine yesterday ....delagate count 14 -10.......after 7 wins ita a virtual tie and thats where it going to stay a tie ......those of you saying HRC or OBAMA has it in the bag are dreaming ...neither has it

Newspaper FAQs DISPATCH POLL
Clinton, McCain have edge in Ohio
Sunday, February 3, 2008 3:42 AM
By Darrel Rowland

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

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How the poll was conducted
The Dispatch Poll was based on returns from 2,156 registered Democratic voters and 2,139 registered Republican voters who say they intend to vote in Ohio's primary election on March 4.

The Dispatch obtained a computerized list of all registered voters in Ohio from the secretary of state. Those who had not voted since 2003 were eliminated. A Dispatch computer then randomly chose who would receive poll ballots, which included the names of all presidential candidates who qualified for the official Ohio ballot.

Voters receiving the ballots were asked to describe themselves by party affiliation, age, sex, race, education, income, religion, union membership and the candidates they voted for in the 2004 presidential contest and 2006 governor's race.

Ballots of different colors were mailed to various regions of the state so The Dispatch could ensure that each area was represented in proportion to its actual voting strength. The areas, patterned on groupings of the state's six major media markets, are: northeast (20 counties); central (20 counties); southwest (eight counties); northwest (12 counties); west central (14 counties); and southeast (14 counties).

The standard margin of sampling error in a poll of the size conducted by The Dispatch is plus or minus 2 percentage points in 95 out of 100 cases. This means that if a poll is conducted 100 times, in 95 cases the result will not vary by more than 2 percentage points from the result that would be obtained if all registered Democratic and Republican voters in Ohio were polled and responded. Error margins are greater for poll subsamples, such as female voters.

Like all polls, the Dispatch Poll is subject to possible error other than sampling error. Other sources of error include unintentional bias in the wording of questions, data entry error and nonresponse bias. Nonresponse bias means those who responded might not necessarily reflect the views of those who did not participate. The response rate for both Democrats and Republicans was 28 percent.

The poll was designed, conducted and financed solely by The Dispatch.
Barack Obama has convinced Iowa, South Carolina and even Teddy Kennedy.

But the Illinois senator has yet to make the sale in Ohio.

"Bush wants to EXECUTE 6 Gitmo prisoners."

He was getting bored. No death warrants to sign as Governor of Texas; things calming down to a mere 10 -50 Iraqis slaughtered each day. He was running out of the killing for fun feeling.

British study: political orientation is genetic.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howie-klein/the-liberal-mind-vs-the-c_b_85898.html

mash

ITS DELAGATES STUPID NOT STATES ....wow how thicked headed some of you are even if he wins ohio it wont be by much and degates will be split .....you need 2025 ...neither can reach with proportional primaries

Jamie

So is this MSNBC's new theme song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ma8OhzFdIA

Jack

Zumper:

I agree we do not have a winner. And there is still a lot of work to do. But - who do you thinking is winning morehearts and minds right now? I know there has been no dent in the substantial Clinton base - thus there will never be a landslide despite the media hype - but I think the majority of people currently not in one of the two respective camps - are trending towards Obama.

First of all I really shouldn't be on here, however I want to make a quick comment.

nash...

I propose a new official Crawfordslist Acronym:

Please don't use the term that john r uses to describe Hillary. She is a Senator running for the Presidency. Please show her a little respect, don't be like john r or some of the others who lack respect for all people.

And if your unaware I am a Obama supporter, however this need not go into name calling.

Also I would like to suggest that everyone ignore john r if he can't be respectful of all the candidates. There's no reason to cause ill will among the Democratic nominee's and end up splitting the party.

Thank you and ...

God Bless.

Regarding Mika's old man advising Obama....

I couldn't stand Zbigniew Brzezinski (had to look up the spelling...) when he worked for Carter and I still can't. Wonder if he's still whining about George McGovern being a peacenik.....

Re: Politics and genes

Scientists ijn Britain have also identified the genetic defect that causes otherwise normal Democrats become Hillary people.

zumper.....
I agree with you.... Obama and Clinton are in a tie..... both will have a dogfight to the nomination.....

I'm torn between what I think of this..... on one hand... if it tears the party apart... it could easily mean another 4 yrs of a Republican in the WH....

on the other hand.... it means which ever one comes out of this with the nomination will be in a better position to fight the upcoming dogfight with the GOP in the general election.....

but, IMO.... the Dems will take back the WH only if we unite and back the eventual nominee..... no matter which one it is.....

nash, re: gitmo - good grief.

Also john r is more than likely a Republican Troll trying to cause dissent amongst the Democratic camps. I would put nothing past the Republicans.

God Bless.

Let's hope you are right anon....I hate to think of John r actually being a dem.

If John R's a Dem, he's got to be the Obama campaign's worst nightmare.

warrem
hearts and minds ....we need some one who can run this country .......he has no qualifications other than peoples hearts and minds.....wow we are in trouble if thats why people are voting for either side .......watch out for what you wish for ...

The struggle between Obama & Clinton is NOT bad for Democrats. This is Democracy in action.

Once a winner emerges, Dems will unite behind him or her to crush McCain/Huckabee.

And this time, we'll have the independents with us. They are NOT going to vote for McCain and his "hundred-year" war in Iraq.

So calm down, everyone. The Republican party is in far worse shape than we are. All they have left is their base which is no more than 40% of the electorate.

They are doomed in 2008 and the intelligent ones know it.

Nash, I don't feel that the Dems will unite behind him or her. There is just to much psychological tributes attached to this primary. Many will not vote.

Once again- amazing dem turnout.

In Maine, democratic voters outnumbered the repubs 9-1!!

"......the dem system has created this problem ..."

Agreed.

Zumper:

I am much more informed than that. I have not been to a rally or been swept up in some type of hysteria.

Just calling it like I see it. And you appear to be the one who is acting hysterical.

This is a really neat map of the 2004 election for those of you that talk red, blue, and purple.

Have a good day, I am off and running.

http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/

Sorry, forgot to leave you the link!!

You know, I start to really admire Obama and then some of his followers began spouting off nasty comments about Hillary and then I get this feeling that I could never vote for this guy. The more they jab Hillary, the more I feel they are jabbing us who support her. Will the democrats really unite?

And please hold the arrogance. Hillary isn't finished yet, so stop dogging her so much

sheesh...

Oh yeah, and me being called a "racist" is sure not a way to make me feel comfortable to support a candidate that the name caller supports. This whole "racism" thing is out of hand... The most innocuous gets spun into some "Jim Crow" re-birth.

just my thoughts... flame away

PATSI, im a card carrying democrat, have voted democrat all my life never ever have voted for a republican or independent, now can u say the same? huh? patsi, now how is it that the clintons can be democrats and i cant. ive never had sex in the oval office with a intern young enough to be my daughter while married, ive never lied under oath, ive never used my spouse failures as a spring board to political ofiice, yet u proudly support and call the clintons democrat, but because i speak the truth albeit harsh u say i am not a democrat? hmmm well if your definition of a democrat allows the clintons to be one and me not then i guess im not a democrat haha.... im simply a OBAMACRAT ;)

EURO, why dont u move back to america first before criticizing me, at least i live in this country, and isn it past ur bedtime....

ANON, u ought not think too highly of yourself hehehe u really think u have that kind of clout to encourage others to ignore me because i dont say what u like? wow that is sooooo elementary 3rd grade stuff, "hey guys lets ignore johnr because he dont talk nice" grow up please!!!

Jack

I'm for HRC - after this weekend results - I found those both to be pretty darn funny and helped lighten my mood.

Thanks!

John R, why don't you come to Europe and make me move back. Dumbass!

sorry for my explosion there, but this guy.. grrrr...ok enough. sorry.

Don't get overconfident because of McCain's 100 years of war comment. His actual position is much more nuanced. Plus, McCain saying he needed to learn more about the economy did not help Romney much.

McCain also has the record of running as a war hero who has reached over the aisle to pass controversial bills. His straight talk and his political courage in supporting the surge, even if people disagree with the policy, is something that appeals to the middle of the country.

Finally, although I am not sure how it will play out - the hyper-partisan pundits rallying against him also make him more appealling to the center (i.e., if that nut Rush Limbaugh is against him - he must be OK).

If you are searching for GOP dirty tricks - they might be up to something very sneaky here. Attacking their own man to make him more attractive. Pure speculation on my part of course...

Maybe we should ask John R. Hah!

Hi all. What's grating on me today from CableTV...

I think that there is even a DEBATE going on over whether and how to count superdelegates is just silly and illogical. I mean, the new cablehead drumbeat has become: "It would be a TERRIBLE outcome for the Democratic Party if the superdelegates ended up deciding this nomination." Well, that may be true. But if it is, then why the hell was the superdelegate mechanism even created by the Democrats in the first place?

It seems like the sole PURPOSE of the superdelegates is to decide a race such as this, or to reverse an outcome that is even less evenly split than this one looks like it will be. So why would the party want to change the rules now -- when the superdelegates it created actually might come into play? Seems a little bit late in the game.

I think of the class of superdelegates as being members of a giant, national mega-caucus -- why shouldn't that group be allowed to operate as independently as any individual state caucus has?

Is Lord voldemort taking again? coz I ain't listenin'

euro, rofl sheesh im detecting u dont like me

HRC receives key endorsement today

http://www.totallynotcrazy.com/2008/02/if-america-held-job-interviews-instead.html

ok ok - I admit it - he's a friend of mine...but I thought it was funny. And again...as I enjoy Jack's video choices after a harsh weekend for HRC supporters...I'm all for lightening the mood today.

hey Euro i might be there after november, all this hard work im doing might get me appointed as an ambassador to europe--all of europe ;)

I will say this - John R.'s brings up some harsh points that would be rammed down voters' throats over and over again in the general election. I suspect it would be a nasty and bitter race - despite Bill Clinton's comments that it would be civil. Maybe between the candidates - but the media and others in the GOP are a different story. I also wouldn't put it past McCain to throw out a few zingers - but I think he would mainly hammer her on spending and flip-flopping.

I think he's delusional.

Nash...
I agree with Warren..... as much as I would love to think that the Dem candidate will win this year.... it's foolish, IMO, to think this thing is sewed up....

we who post on this blog are not the norm when it comes to the voting public....
I know a lot of people who are fed up with this blue state vs red state and 2 party system stuff..... they tell me they will vote the person and not the party.....

if Clinton grates on their nerves.... they will vote for McCain....
if they don't think that Obama has what it takes to lead this country..... they will vote for McCain....
and of course..... they may vote for McCain because no matter who the Dem candidate is.... they think McCain is the best choice....

I know it's an old cliche..... but it fits best here....
let's not count our chickens before they hatch.....

Potomac Primary Question [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

An e-mail: "For DC, Virginia and Maryland voters – the Republican nomination is essentially over. This may be your only chance to vote against Hillary. And knowing the Clintons, isn’t it good to end it when they are down instead of letting them get a comeback? What do you think Cornerites? "

lardass, I'd be astounded if there weren't an argument about superdelegates - and both camps are on both sides of the issues re: party rules. Chuck Todd had an interesting take on superdelegates this morning - it only really becomes an issue if a candidate comes in with more popular votes and more pledged delegates and the superdelegates decide to pick the other candidate.

KC
I can see them doing the same thing in Ohio. Repubs voting for Obama.

Ohio is not an open primary

I think it is, last time I looked it was

Pogo. Exactly my point.

But that's sort of like saying "lifeboats only really become an issue if a ship starts to sink."

The whole REASON for superdelegates to exist is to overturn a popular outcome that the party power structure disagrees with. Otherwise, why have them at all? To simply validate the popular outcome? That would make them simply a redundancy.

Sure, it's un-Democratic as hell. But someone should have thought about that back in the 80s, or whenever it was these rules were created.

warren - after his screed about "I'd secure the borders first" last weekend, McCain is going to have a tough time on flip flopping.

Dog's Eye

As a general rule (though not absolute), the difference between Republican and Democratic humor is that in the Republican humor someone gets killed, injured, slandered, or abused. Democratic humor tends to be more puns and satire.

Gordo

Yea I only really pay attention to SurveyUSA because they seem to be the most accurate. Although they broke my heart this weekend when they had Hillary moving within 5% points of Obama in Washington...didn't quite go down that way. Perhaps in a primary it would...bummer.

Republicans cannot cross but declined to states may vote in either primary

Given that she is one, I found it strange that Donna Brazile threatens to leave the Democratic party if the Super-delegates decide the nominee. What the hell is she on? In a race this close, OF COURSE THE SUPER-DELEGATES WILL DECIDE THE NOMINEE.

Is there something "coded" in her message that I didn't get? Because she was part of the process to set this system up. Correct?

Tom

oh, I don't disagree with you at all, LL. And I do think superdelegates was as bad an idea as caucuses and the stupid shit decisions re: FL and MI. The failure to foresee the problems both issues presented and need to deal with them before the primary season got is a testament to Howie's unfitness to run theparty.

that woudl be "got underway"

EuroTom, I agree with your point re Donna Brazile.

What she said makes about as much sense as if she had said: "If our party holds its convention in Denver this year...I will leave the party."

These are decisions put in place years ago. Whether you agree with them or not is beside the point. But to stand up and whine about them now is just ridiculous.

Question: is the "superdelegate" system a new structure within the Democratic party?

Pogo:

I disagree. It is one thing to support a comprehensive immigration bill (which has led to no party favors for McCain) - and then, after the bill is scrapped - come back and say - well lets at least get the boarders secure since we all agree on that.

Compared to trying the carry the mantel as an advocate against a war that you voted for.

I'd like to hear Craig's thoughts on an possible Edwards endorsement. Did he miss his window? Has the campaign moved on without him or do you think it will have a big impact? Are there still Edwards supporters out there who are undecided and waiting for him to make a decision?

OHIO SOS - so it's not "open" yet you can change on the spot

How do I establish which political party’s ballot I am entitled to vote?

You may vote the primary ballot of the political party with which you currently wish to be affiliated. If you voted the primary ballot of a different political party in 2005 or 2006, you will complete a statement at your polling place confirming the change in your political party affiliation.

May I vote on ballot issues at a primary election without declaring my party affiliation?

Yes. You may vote on the issues and questions, if any, that are on the ballot in your precinct by requesting an “issues-only” ballot.

Pogo, EuroTom...I think the creation of superdelegates is of a piece with the proportional allocation of delegates rules and everything else that was put in place in the 1980s. But I may be wrong, and maybe someone can correct me.

Hi Craig,
How is your foot? Do you read all these comments?
Interesting that Hillary has all the super delegates from MD. Will be interesting if she loses.
What is going to happen?????
I did my phone banking for Hillary yesterday. At least in Wooster, Ohio, of the 70 that I called 80% were for Hillary, 1 for Obama and some undecided.
I am really getting into this political thing, even at my age. hahah
Oh the ladys who was here from our Democrat party has met Chelsea and said she is a very nice young lady, a bit shy.

I've seen t-shirts and bumper stickers with these slogans:

Who do you have to blow around here to get an impeachment?

Of Course It Hurts / You're Getting Screwed By An Elephant!

If Liberals Really Hated America, We'd All Vote Republican

Regime Change Starts At Home: Vote Democrat 2008

Zumper - I agree - the convention is going to be a mess - bad news for Dems overall.

Pogo

I like the consternation among the flacks for Senator Obama about the super delegates. At first it was "they should reflect the will of their states". When confronted with the fact that under that rule some of their endorsers would have to vote against him ... well maybe not so much.

I think they will resolve this in some way before the convention based on some combination of popular vote, delegates, and super delegates that both campaigns acknowledge. A floor fight would simply be too destructive that close to the election.

Dog's Eye. Here's my edited version of your last post using the lifeboat analogy I introduced up higher. Edits in caps:

I do not have a problem with people making a fuss about [LIFEBOATS] at this time.

When they were conceptual, not many were paying attention. When they have the potential to deliver [PASSENGERS ON A SINKING SHIP TO SAFETY], that is the time to stand up and shout out.

anon

I am newish here - been reading for a few days - posted under LB but have my new account now. Today is the first day I've seen John R - yikes - I've chosen to take your approach.

Re Obama and the pledge-someone was looking for info to refute the fake emails-

His site has a great section finding off on accusations-
here is link specifically on the many allegations on Obama and the Pledge of Allegiance.
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_is_a_patriot.php

Jamie:

The problem with Democratic humor is that it can come off like this:

"I am smarter and more articulate (and thus better) than you repugs...and if it wasn't for all those stupid NASCAR fans and backwoods hicks - this country would be better off!"

This especially the case when it is at its snarkiest (e.g., Howard Wolfson).

Being raised in a small town in FL and then going to college in the Northeast, has made me conversant in both dialects.

LL - that was funny...

Ally good point. Problem is, MSM and the party were determined to paint him as a fringe candidate.

Here's a link to an interesting article about how the nation's newspaper political cartoonists are struggling with then tension between honest caricature and racist/sexist stereotypes when drawing Obama and Clinton:

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080210/COLUMNISTS10/802100428/1022

Re Obama and the pledge-someone was looking for info to refute the fake emails-

His site has a great section finding off on accusations-
here is link specifically on the many allegations on Obama and the Pledge of Allegiance.
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_is_a_patriot.php

Posted by: Kathy | February 11, 2008 1:15 PM

IN THE SPIRIT OF FAIRNESS, I WILL ALSO PROVIDE HILLARY'S FACT CHECK LINK: http://facts.hillaryhub.com/

LL ... you know the only real issue is racism. Sexism is still regarded as not a big issue.. sadly!

IN THE SPIRIT OF FAIRNESS, I WILL ALSO PROVIDE HILLARY'S FACT CHECK LINK: http://facts.hillaryhub.com/

Ally- almost every democrat I know who has taken one of those "who is your candidate" comes out that they are aligned with Dennis the most. During the primary,he and his wife would both say that they were frustrated that people would compliment them and say how much they respected him but backed another candidate-

I myself need to have a candidate that can win- it is not just about ideology= and no one is 100% perfect. But I do know quite a few passionate Kucinich supporters. Am also aware of many who supported others - and went to Obama at the end.

Nannym-
I do not think you mean this, but you are implying that some votes are worth more than others.

As someone who volunteers on election day to protect voters rights, it is all about making sure that everyone is included- even if they only vote once.

I had occasion to speak with many of the various main campaign staffers during the primary about their backgrounds- I was pleased to find that many of them had been for Dean in 2004 and that led them to stay part of the process.

KC are you saying the same thing as posted on the SOS site?
see midpage of link.

So as an Independent I would have to fill out a form on primary day at the poll as (in my case a Dem) to vote for either HRC or Obama?

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/PublicAffairs/VoterInfoGuide.aspx?Section=15

Tom - I find the hillaryhub helpful

I also defended Obama against those stupid e-mails when they were sent to me by idiots that lean to the right - pure ignorance.

A Bipartisan bill for national health care

http://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs/newsblog/archives/2008/02/langevin_announ.html

Ok I really believe this: Regardless of whether Hillary or Barack gets the nomination, if the other candidate is not offered to run as Vice-President, half of the party constituencies will feel burned and left out. Not only that, but they will also probably "not bother" to vote. For women and Clinton admirers, it is important that she be on the ticket. The glass ceiling HAS to be broken. For blacks and Obama admirers, it is important that HE be on the ticket.

I cannot see the Democrats going into the Fall with a winning team if it isn't a partnership between both of them.

Uh oh! Read the top story!

http://www.globemagazine.com/

In Virginia we have open primaries. You just have to say which ballot you want to vote. Whether you ask for a DEM or GOP ballot does get recorded but you're not beholden to either party. The VAGOP did try to get everyone to sign a loyalty oath swearing that they would support the GOP nominee if they voted in the GOP primary, but then they figured out they can't enforce it, so I think they dropped it.

I'm a DEM and a notorious member of the local party here -- but I have brazenly voted in GOP primaries that didn't affect a DEM election. I voted to send a problem GOP guy to the General Assembly just to get him off the county Board of Supervisors. (He could do less damage as one of 100 in Richmond than one of 7 here.) I voted for another GOP to support him on issues and because the wing-nuts in his own party were challenging him in a primary.

Corey -- Haha! I just love the Globe. Their stellar journalists have been saying that the W and Laura split is coming any day now because he won't quit drinking and she's sick of it.

EuroTom: I agree 100%. Unite and conquer is the only solution.

EuroTom:

I think you underestimate the impact that Obama winning the presidency would have. The glass ceiling in not the best analogy - because the old boy's network that has run Washington is even more exclusive.

To get in that club - you not only have to be old and white - but you need political connections that even some of the richest white guys don't possess.

Given Obama's history, rising from a broken home with a foot on his back instead of a silver spoon in his mouth - is inspiration to both girls and boys alike who are not born into privilege.

I think once Obama kicks in the door to the country club - many other talented individuals who do not fit the stereotype in DC will follow.

KGC wrote:
Lantos had been ill for awhile and had already dropped out of the Congressional race. He was being challenged in the primary by Jackie Spiers who was shot and survived Jonestown. At the time she was an aid to Congressman Leo Ryan who died at Jonestown
.................................................................................................
Jackie would never challenge Tom Lantos in the primary...she decided to run after he announced his decision to retire because of his health and he endorsed Jackie. I know it's a nit pick but JS is a great friend. : )
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/17/MND4UGDP4.DTL
~G

Corey

funny - The Globe - first place I go every day for news and events! I bet tomorrows headline will say that the Obama's are thinking of adopting a baby from outerspace.

OK...and now back to our regulary scheduled program.

Tom,

Brazile didn't say she would leave the party. She said she would give up being a super delegate because if the supers decided the election she didn't feel that it was fair for her to have two votes when the people only had one each.

Matier & Ross: Speier lays groundwork for congressional run
Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross

Monday, November 19, 2007

Matier & Ross
Matier and Ross page

Looks like former Peninsula state Sen. Jackie Speier is indeed gearing up for what promises to be a big-money and highly charged Democratic primary run next June against 13-term Rep. Tom Lantos.

Warren - you are right an Obama win would be a step forward.

I just worry that Obama IS actually the old boys candidate and I firmly believe this is to keep it that...old boys and NOT girls.

Think...Kennedy, Kerry, Daschle and ... yes Lieberman a mentor to Obama is always on the fringes.

But we all have our take from our POV - this is mine. Boys are still trying to run the show.

here's the link for the above story
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/11/19/BAMMTE12K.DTL

she most certainly was running against him

He is a good article on Obama's story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080211/pl_bloomberg/aoowmgwy_via_1

Warren,

You are right about Left wing humor being somewhat egotistical, but the right wing's can be downright cruel followed by "just joking" There are exceptions on both sides which is why some left of center and right of center jokes are just hilarious.

dog's eye, why do you hate Hillary so much? I am just curious

I posted this interview with Cher yesterday, but there are so many people here that weren't here over the weekend. This is interesting. Hear what she has to say about Hillary, Obama and a former President of the United States

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwHsHBoWu3E

" But not necessarily by this particular woman, now."

How would you feel if the quote read, "But not necessarily by this particular black man, now"

If someone is voting for Senator Clinton ONLY because she is a woman, then they aren't thinking about the issues. If someone is voting for Senator Obama ONLY because he is a black man, then they aren't thinking about the issues.

LL - I heard one of the talking heads over the weekend say that the superdelegates were put in place in 1983.

warren - McCain's statement over the weekend was that he had ALWAYS said to close the borders first. I don't believe that was his position when he was working on the comprehensive immigration reform and hope I'm right about that.

YES JAMIE .. YES...

I want a black candidate. 'But not necessarily by this particular black man, now" That comment is just as legitimate for me dog's eye as yours about Hillary is for you. Difference is, if I say it, I am a racist. If you say it, you're just anti-Clinton.

Actions seem to speak louder than words. Clearly you don't like her...

wait, since this is a written forum, that analogy doesn't work

On Brazile, I wonder if her exact meaning came across. She is a party official and activist. Quitting the party doesn't mean not endorsing or voting for a Dem candidate. When I saw her on TV she was more clear about not wanting an "official" role in the party.

in this race for the Democratic nomination there is such a double standard. Honestly... Say anything bad about Hillary and it's fair game. Say anything bad about Obama, then you're .. well you know, the "r" word.

Lord Voldemort has spoken again

I hear ya Jamie. The worst thing about the cruel jokes is that many actually believe this crap, which the bigots and racists will try to defend in private.

Being a lawyer, I have learned that it is easy for someone to find facts to support an "argument" as long as they are willing to close their eyes to the "truth."

In the Audacity of Hope, Obama wrote:

"[M]ost people who serve in Washington have been trained either as lawyers or political operatives - professions that tend to place a premium on winning arguments rather than solving problems."

"hatered of Hillary"
I've posted many times and now again, that despite the media chorus that Hillary is polarizing- everyone loves or hates her- I never found that to be so. Yes, there are many loves and haters. And some of the haters are due to sexism, some due to Bill's antics, and some due to the triangulation of the Clinton presidency.

I do not hate her, but will strongly support her, and she was always my 4th choice or so. I also would love to have a female president but that was not a strong factor for me.
In my own life experience, I can relate to Obama's story more-

Personally , I don't think either candidate is bringing any of us here closer together.

ok dog, perhaps I misconstrued what you said. For that I apologise. So ok, I will say "it's not time for a black candidate. It is time for a woman candidate. men have ran this game all along and they aren't doing such a good job." Just because someone has dark skin doesn't mean he is going to be magically more enlightened. And actually, i would be more impressed with Al Sharpton, just as I was more impressed with Jesse Jackson back in 1988.

You can be a real jackass EuroTom.

Corey, such true and wise words in one short sentence!

:-)

I went to an Tom Daschle speak on behalf of Obama a few months back-something interesting he said was that he had served with everyone one of the candidates on the dem ballot but Barack-

takes one to know one warren xoxoxoxoxo

Corey has a great sense of humor...helps to take the tension away when one is wanting to reach through the computer screen and grab someone by the throat.. electronically speaking of course.

NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO

what does £8@93&() mean when he says are you filling in for Sheila?

My good friend's brother was killed in IRAQ over the weekend.

Which canidate is best qualified to get the US out of that quagmire?

UB ... none of the above...

I don't think either one will hurry to pull out of Iraq, and on the Republican side, Ron Paul...

2 CBS journalists missing

http://icasualties.org/oif/

dog, you got a personal email? send me a note to eurotomm at yahoO! dot com if you don't mind.

No hard feelings EuroTom - many who don't know me well think I am one of the biggest jackasses they have ever met.

thanks Warren, me too... I didn't mean to snap.

Unlikely_burrito

That is horrible news. One of my closest friends 18 yo nephew is on his way to Afganistan as a marine machine gunner. Needless to say they were all asking themselves the same question.

I dont know about anyone else, but when the cost of WAR hits home, all the other BS goes out the window.

I think that the U.S. voter has to realize that the IRAQ WAR is the REAL issue in this race!

It is tied to everything else, economy, safety, global relations, energy, etc..

Tune to C Span 2

Feinstein is making a speech re Presidential power in contravention of the will of Congress.

I'm depressed now.. bye all, will check in tomorrow. xoxoxoxox

I know 4 military people on active duty now, and have now seen two families lose loved ones......for what?

I am sickend, and now we have a Dem party that is setting itself up to blow it again. They better wake up.

Unlikely_burrito

I sincerely thank you for that link. 3 of my close friends have served/serving in Iraq or Afghanistan and while they are very proud to serve their country, I am sure they have their doubts. My one friend gets back from Iraq in May, and he has already learned that he is going to Afghanistan once the rotations are figured out. Sorry for commenting off topic, I'll go back under my bridge :-)

NEW THREAD

"I can see them doing the same thing in Ohio. Repubs voting for Obama."

The Tennessean's exit polls reported a very considerable number of people who said they did just that.

ET

Sheila is usually the one who tries to pour a little oil on the troubled waters though even she who is the most peaceful of creatures has gotten a little perturbed when Obama is not loved as much as she thinks he should be. :-)

It's why we sometimes call her the hall monitor.

REload NEW THREAD

Diva: "I was phone banking for Hillary voters in Washington State and I heard from older voters who didn't want to have to take a ferry to go caucus. Why were these caucuses held so far away from these voters?"

I just heard a caller on Seattle radio say that she had to drive 15 miles to go caucus. Others at the caucus had to drive as far as 25 miles.

How did this happen? In Iowa the caucuses are very near your home...I have never heard of having to go this far to caucus, especially in an urban area.

Diva: "I was phone banking for Hillary voters in Washington State and I heard from older voters who didn't want to have to take a ferry to go caucus. Why were these caucuses held so far away from these voters?"

I just heard a caller on Seattle radio say that she had to drive 15 miles to go caucus. Others at the caucus had to drive as far as 25 miles.

How did this happen? In Iowa the caucuses are very near your home...I have never heard of having to go this far to caucus, especially in an urban area.