Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

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Craig - Hey everyone has a bias, which is why some react differently to the same rhetorical stimuli. After all is that one of the hoped for effects of any good activity in your profession. Very American !

(repost from Last Thread)

Good Morning All,

Wow Sturg....Montel is so sad. I'm sorry for that and I wonder how he is going to survive it. He has MS and maybe needs to concentrate on that....or he is one of the best motivational speakers I've ever heard.

When he believes in something, there is no stopping him. I was in the NAVY when he was super recruiter, traveling across the country in his whites. Bigger than life.

Posted by: Sheila | February 2, 2008 8:05 AM

Now don't take me wrong. I'm not slamming or bashing or anything.

WJC was in Atlanta yesterday and made this statement.

"She is a world-class change maker. The best I ever saw," Clinton said

I was amused. Because its so southern and its so classic "Used Car Salesman" like. CUTE!

Posted by: Sheila | February 2, 2008 8:08 AM

ahhhh.......the "democrat's dick cheney" as in powerful vice president, not as in creep.

Craig My Friend,

I totally agree. Where as Clinton/Obama is feasable. Clinton would be best served in the Senate as one of them most powerful and influencial.

I think wonder team for Obama would be Obama/Edwards.....but stranger things have happened. Clinton might find that this is the best way to serve the country.

Because we all know that VEEP has become more industrious and important position in the presidency.

Remember do not protest to much – two effects – stifle the natural response reduces the gain in notoriety or appear guilty.

thanks Ping, I'll remember that. lol

Hey wait, if VP where do you sit , so if done well she could have 8 years on the high chair?
However I do not think HRC Ego (or Bill's) will allow second place on the ticket - she is in to win.
Now Obama is less red blood eater.

And if they join in whatever combo - if done correctly this election clould cover the next 16 years. Oh my that is scary !!
Craig will you be working as you approach 70?

PIng, have hope!

Everything you've learned about Democrats while Drinking REP Koolaid will be proven wrong very soon. I promise. ;0)

Hillary has taken a lot of heat for her yes vote. So did a lot of high profile dem senators too. Think about it for a minute, if Bush/Cheney and his messed up crew would of handled the war correctly and had a good exit plan this vote would not of been an issue. Obama has said the new Pres should make the right decisions on Day 1, well who would of thought a President would make thesed horrible decisions. Bush still has over 11 months to go, so any plan they come up with now may be hard to execute next January. Hillary is the only one that is trying to do something right away. For everyone's sake we better start making better decisions today, we can't change the past. We made our decisions based on what we thought was right at the time except Bush should of looked a little further ahead than he did. Notice the bombings are starting to pick up again, and if the cease fire does not continue, what a mess we will have. McCain may have a problem running on the surge is working. He better hope Tuesday could not come fast enough.

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Shelia, In my younger days I worked and supported Dems, In fact I am a big fan of Bill Nelson - so I should qualify to southern Dem's !! ;~)
I just will not support central big government for domestic solutions
No Way No Way...
And if all on this blog dig in and pill the onion - I feel most would come to agree.
Same results - Not with Big Central government

Before I make this observation, I'll quote Sheila: "Now don't take me wrong. I'm not slamming or bashing or anything..... "

If Hillary Clinton is Dick Cheney, then it follows that Barack Obama is George W. Bush.

Jamie, from your question last threa Re:bluesmen, In the contemporary section I would be remiss in not suggesting Delbert McClinton and there is a guy in Austin name Malford Milligan and lest not for get Jimmy and Stevie Ray Vaughn. Like I said, I could go on.

yo soy Horsedooty!

We all agree Ping,

But that statement is so opposite of what has happened to our country's budget in the last 8 years.

AND not just the war, but from the first year. To have put us back in the red by giving it back to "some" in the nation was a mind blower for me.

AND now we are giving more money that we don't have to "Some".

Big huge government......Ping, I wonder, are you talking about less taxes? Because in order to be able to get out of George Jr's mess, we will have to tax more.

I mean, even Republican Presidents historically have raised Taxes in order to pay for a war. It just makes sense to refresh the coffers.

The only reason I can think of is because Clinton stands a better chance to become president as veep than senator, if history is any measure.

I can't imagine HRC accepting 2nd chair, even with Dick-like power. Ane then there's Bill, a force to be reckoned with, for sure. Could Barack make them both behave? I still am waiting for Edwards to weigh in. Still betting he'll endorse Obama.

I'm with Ping. The government that governs best governs least.

Shela, we don't need to raise taxes, we need to cut spending. Iraq would be a good place to start.

We do need major tax reform, but that's a topic for another day...

Sturgeone

"but Coulter? For Hillary over McCain....C'mon, get real......they know they have a chance against Obama.......

How about reverse psychology. Coulter knows that any Dem hearing her support Clinton will drive them immediately to Obama, the candidate she knows the Republicans can beat .... gotta think like the snake to know where it is going to strike. :-P

Corey

Like this version of Undecided

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZlSscwvkCA

Sorry you are offended, dog, but if Obama would need Hillary as Cheney, then what does that say?

dnd,

I would love to hear more later too. Maybe we could, on paper, show the REPS how to do that.

I was just talking more toward the Bush Adminstrations return to HUGE Government.

Shelia, I agree, The republicans in power blew it, got what they desreved at the mid term.... They lost conservative values.
No Transperancy - They must go...

Craig,

I am now an Independent who support HRC, and even though I would like to see a dream ticket, either way, Obama would have more to gain if he was second on the ticket. It would make no sense in the universe for her to take the second spot, even though she would still be younger than McCain if she were to win the Presidency then.

If I might say something to that Patsi,

Since Obama is looking for unity and team players, I could see a VEEP position playing key on certain issues like Gore did.

So an Obama/somebody position could be a thrilling opportunity for some.

it is a bit of a specious argument. we could go on...Bill as Lynne Cheney? He could bring to life the obscene novels she has written. ok, I'll stop and apologize in advance for perpetuating this line of thinking.

giggling @ Coleen! lollolol..Ok laughing!

I am seeing a smattering of Repubs signing up and actually volunteering for HRC. Mostly females. Could this be a small trend?

Actually, I was just poking of a bit of fun at Craig for the Cheney idea....but I forgot that it's not okay to even joke when it comes to the Cult of the Second Coming.

Colleen -- Bill as Lynn and the porn novels...ROFL!

One more shameless plug....

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Hope all my C-listers are well, and i will be trolling in all day and night today and tomorrow.

Hipster

Patsi,

You are not so nice when you think you are funny. The so called "Cult of the Second Coming" is at least trying to be fair and recognise the strengths and the integrity of the other candidate.........

Jamie,
I think Coulter is just messing with you head. Would any dem take her endorsement of Hillary seriously?

Actually I think her point is her virulent hatred of McCain.
Either that perhaps she perceives another Clinton in the WH would be good for her career.

dnd

That's what I meant by how much weight a Coulter endorsement would have. I'll stick with Hillary and anyone else with a vote (even Coulter) can vote for her with me.

Now Mahar going for Obama is another matter. Like I said before. How good could his judgement be if he dated Coulter?

Thank you to everyone who supplied names of Blues musicians and singers. I knew you were the right source.

You all can stop now. With that much material I'll be writing and hunting for a long time tomorrow.

Okay, as I said....take all the Hillary shots you want. Call Bill Clinton (one of the best presidents this country has had in recent decades) a used car salesman. Refer to Hillary supporters as Clintonistas and feminazis...that's okay because after all, women are used to that sort of stuff. We're mainly good for recipes.

Orange Slice Bread: Cream 2 sticks oleo and 2 cups sugar. Add 4 eggs, one at a time. Beat. Add 1 cup buttermilk. Stir 1 teaspoon baking soda to an additional 1/2 cup buttermilk, and add. Stir in 1/4 teaspoon salt and 4 cups flour. Add 1 pound chopped dates, 1 pound orange slice candy cut into four pieces each, and 2 cups chopped walnuts. Divide into 4-5 small loaf pans. Bake at 275-degrees for 45 minutes to an hour.

Lady Eagle

Months ago I told a Republican friend that if Hillary were the Democratic candidate, a large percentage of Republican women would vote for her. They might have to go home and lie through their teeth to hubby just for peace and quiet, but they would vote for her.

Craig...good morning

I finally get it. Your last paragraph got through to me.

And Brain in NYC...Bill Maher is not funny since the writers strike and I am sure he has lost a ton of money with the strike and is smoking shwag not chronie. And quit frankly, I am tired of comedians being political pundits. Dennis Miller is a stooge. Bill Maher is not funny. Roseanne got killed when she sang the Star Spangled Banner...I mean why "hire" a comedian to do a serious job and then expect serious work?

Patis,
And I never said he was a used car salesman. I was actually trying to express that I was tickled by what he said. The "Cult of the Second Coming" can appreciate good people and fun Political Theater with out getting our panties in a twist.

Someday, I hope the real Patsi will come back....

Is it the right thing to do now is endorse Obama. This guy is getting a free ride. He does not have a clue on what's going to come at him. Just wait until Hannity and crew start hammering at him. Hillary is used to this crap and is still standing. She has not been given a break. He reminds me of the movie The Candidate, starring Robert Redford. Became a good canidate, won the election, and at the end of the movie he went into a private room with his aids and asked what do I do now. In 4 or 8 years he will be so much better. Good VP choice, can learn from Hillary, Bill, and Teddy.

Jamie, I even lived with a Republican for a decade, what was I thinking?, but it did not influence my politics or the way I voted. Let's just call my wayward period comparable to Bill Maher's Ann Coulter escapade, and let sleeping dogs lie. Luckily our (mine and Bill's) political judgement makes more sense than our choice of temporary mates.

Sheila

Thanks for the link...BO is a Leo. Now I understand "why" we clash.

Craig, if I buy your book, how can you sign it? Let me know the way to do this. It should be a blog perk.

Dog

When it comes to references to children's toys, I think we were thinking more of one of those "bounce back" clowns. No matter how hard you hit them, they come back and smack you.

"Someday, I hope the real Patsi will come back...."

This is the real Patsi. Very often posters here seem to operate like Republicans. Their idea of getting along is for people who think differently to bend over. That has never been the real me, the one who actually worked in the trenches for civil and women's rights and has never had any hesitation about saying what I think. Even -- Oh MY God -- if it is not politically correct .

Well, While I can really appreciate your passion and tenacity Patsi,

Hatred doesn't become you or yor candidate. I didn't deserve what you served up this morning and I also won't condone it with silence.

Attacking and slamming some one for a perceived afront is just plain silly. Besides being counter productive for your candidate.

Good luck to you. I hope in the future you will respect my position and when I post, you will step back and read what I am really saying, not what you want to come from my mouth.

When Coulter did the "I'd campaign for Hillary if McCain gets the nomination" bit.......the way I see it from her perspective she kilt two birds with one stone.....

Say anything to me you please, Sheila...I prefer direct.

Dog-- yes those are the orange sugar candies and that bread is VERY sweet. Some here in the South make it at Christmas as a substitute for regular fruit cake.

sturgeone

Good point...either way she still gets to keep her job and sell books.

......channeling.........

Senator Clinton would not accept the vp nor would Obama. How does Clinton help Obama he has made her a villian to the his supporters. And I think she doesn't think so much of him either. I rather doubt the gooper talkinging points mailer from him arracking her healthcare plane has done much to make things better,

Any Democratic that wins will become the pinata for the press. If you think the media love affair is going to continue past the primary --come over here, see that bridge..it's for sale cheap.

I was amused. Because its so southern and its so classic "Used Car Salesman" like. CUTE!

Posted by: Sheila | February 2, 2008 8:08 AM

Sheila, Patsi can fight her on fight but this is what was typed by you I assume. How is someone supposed to take that?

yo soy Horsedooty!

By the way they made Scarborough's dig at McCain into an adverstisement "No jobs more War"

It would be great if that cost McCain the nominaton.,
I am sure the Morning Load will be so proud.

I guess the right wingers are taking no chances. I got an email this morning calling Hillary a Bull Dyke, and then heard an old woman on C-Span saying that Obama won't salute the flag.

"I rather doubt the gooper talkinging points mailer from him attacking her healthcare plane "

Hasn't Edwards come out and defended the Clinton healthcare plan as most similar to his and said the Obama plan wouldn't work?

Oh, a followup on that last post...here is what makes me nuts about C-Span. The host did NOT correct the woman. She said she'd been thinking about voting for Obama until she heard he wouldn't salute the flag. The host simply asked: "And would that make a difference in your supporting him?"

Jesus. I understand that the hosts on c-span try to stay out of the conversation....but that was just ridiculous.

Thank you Horse,

If it looked like I was slamming, I was not. it may have been a case where I needed to explain in a larger more descriptive way......but I see the ways inwhich Bill Clinton speaks endearing....charming still. That is all.....

Still, I won't take that type of ripping apart from anyone here when it is just plain perceived.

There are many that feel free to speak about Obama as the enemy here on this blog I have called my home for a long time.

Doesn't it speak to all of you who do this, that one perceived statement makes me an enemy? That you are not going to have me enlighten you? After I have proven myself time and again to be trustworthy. That I am a friend?

There are so many on this Blog that think Obama the enemy.....that anything out of my mouth or anyone else's the enemy....

Just amazing. Thank you Horse for asking and letting me say something.

Patsi,

All the braindead crazies are coming out of the woodwork. If you can believe some of the crud the far right dreams up, you really shouldn't be allowed to exist without a guardian.

Edwards healthcare advisor and he was very upset.

"Brad Blakeman, a former Bush White House aide who now runs Freedom's Watch, a political committee funded by major Republican donors that has aired several pro-war commercials, told Newsmax he was aware of the Wright connection.

"If your spiritual adviser makes outrageous statements, it's incumbent on you as a leader to denounce those statements," he said. "Silence is an admission that you agree with what your spiritual adviser pronounces."

Newsmax concluded that "if Obama is his party's nominee, his Republican opponent will rightly be able to make use of Rev. Wright and his radical teachings as effectively as supporters of George H.W. Bush used Willie Horton's furlough to help Bush win the presidency." In other words, be prepared for the attack ads to be aired by Freedom's Watch and other shadowy, well-funded organizations, just like the Horton ads put up by an earlier "independent committee" in 1988."
http://www.creators.com/opinion/joe-conason/the-coming-attack-on-barack.html

according to article there are rightwing sites already testing the attacks on Obama.

Patsi,

Just make sure you forward that e-mail, since i am sure somewhere at the bottom it either says if you dont "you dont love Christ or you support terror" or maybe it will say both

Hip

Patsi, et all.
Be careful before you judge the alleged sender of emails and other political stuff.
I would not put anything past anyone to stir up an extreme negative on their own to create a shinning white willie on a horse to save the day.

Ping

According to the Conason article the muslim and the lesbian smears both originated on rightwing sites.

Again, I am ignorant, but will NP still be SOH in '10? And if so, imagine two women behind BO at the State of the Union address. Or better yet, NP and BO sitting there?

Either way HRC/BO or BO/HRC...most likely won't happen. Too bad, even Judge Judy has Baliff Burt.

The Smirking Chimp has an annual WTF? list

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/node/11841

Ping Pong,

You and some others I know are proof there are good folks of all beliefs.

The creators of those e-mails just remind of why i am mostly a blue stater at heart.

Hipster

If Obama is having problems with the minor Clinton attacks, how and the world is he going to be able to handle shadowy, well-funded organizations attacks. I am not so sure he is up to it. When you have a person like Shawn Hannity getting on the air and asking his listeners help him find all the dirt they can. He did that with Kerry and is all primed and ready for Obama. He already is going after McCain, along with his follow right wing radio hosts. There is not much left for them to do with Hillary. They been beating her for years and she's still standing.

Blonde wino -- signing my book as blog perk niftuy idea. Email your snail mail adress and preferred message and/or salutation, etc., to cqtrailmix@verizon.net

I'll be happy to send a signed faceplate that is easily pasted into the book

Hobbling to airport now for journey back to the beltway. Got cast off yesterday but now in this bulky boot thing and on crutches one more week.

"If Obama is having problems with the minor Clinton attacks, how and the world is he going to be able to handle shadowy, well-funded organizations attacks"

Maybe the same way he handled them in South Carolina.

Craig,

Congratulations! In 3 days time on threads you have been accused of being a Clinton mouthpiece and an Obama mouthpiece. Quite an accomplishment.

Hipster

Maybe the same way he handled them in South Carolina

in response I have to post my Pat Buchanan joke

"
Pat Buchanan is up in Concord New Hampshire on a stage getting ready to speak to his supporters. Suddenly a group breaks into a chant, disrupting the proceedings.

They shout, "He's a racist! He's a racist."

And those were his supporters:

safe trip to the Fearless leader.

Craig, good luck to you if you try to use the washington metro on crutches during rush hour. The elevators are in lousy places and people will knock you over. I hurt my knee and it was awful using crutches on that metro. I gave up and now I am driving to work, at the same time I am helping out GW with his oil profits.

what attacks in SC

I believe much of Obama's support is soft. If he is the nominee, just wait until the Repub attack/smear machine starts defining him. The "softies" will drop off fast. This is a "cult of personality". One young person was asked why he supported Obama. The reply, "Because he is THE MAN". Again, the reporter asked why, "Because he is THE MAN". How many of Obama's young/new voters even know what state he represents?

Okay , this is off topic. Last night at work I was handed a sheet of paper at break. It was a print out of an article that was in the Detroit News yesterday. I looked at the article's headline and I laughed outloud. This is what the article was:
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008802010478

I'll explain my feelings later.

Craig,

Next time you are on with Keith, you will need to question him about the following:

KEITH OLBERMANN
MSNBC TV host Giants, 27-21. Not a lot of people noticed that by December, Eli Manning had already made the first hurdle of greatness: eight fourth-quarter comeback wins in his first four seasons. First you figure out how to reverse a disaster-in-progress. Then you learn how to prevent a disaster. He has just learned.
BILL O'REILLY
FOX TV host Giants, 31-30. Destiny.

He and Billo are both hot for the loser...are they friends now? lol

"Just make sure you forward that e-mail, since i am sure somewhere at the bottom it either says if you dont "you dont love Christ or you support terror" or maybe it will say both"

Ha...Hip, I'm not sure which emails I hate more...the political ones or the ones saying, "I'm sending you ten angels because you are my friend. And if you don't send this to ten more people you don't love God and will have bad luck."

Ping -- I know exactly where these emails are going from. The same crowd that sent me crap during Clinton's Monica days, and the same ones who started sending me Obama smears right after he was elected to the Senate.

a) Clinton will be the nom.

b) For the sake of playing "what if..., " it seems that a more likely choice for Obama's VP would be Russ Feingold.

c) The real "what if..."question becomes, who would Hill'ry choose for veep? Maybe Biden?

d) We would not be having this blogversation if Edwards had been at the top of the ticket instead Kerrey the last time. We would be looking at a 2nd term for Edwards.

"I believe much of Obama's support is soft."

What is the basis for that belief? Just a feeling or a hunch?

If someone says I like Obama because he is THE MAN! In what way is this different than the tedious "Hillary is a fighter" soup that has been peddled here endlessly (literally at times every 10 minutes)?

Isnt that just more straw man stuff? You put words in someone's mouth and then knock down a pretend argument?

I like Bush because he is strong.
I like Edwards because he is for the worker.
I like Huckabee because he shares my values.
I like McCain because he is a straight talker.

You can plug this formula into any candidate's name and do the same post.

So, when I see this kind of thing, I'm thinking, gee, that person's candidate sounds hollow.

As far as Senator Obama's home state, which one is your candidate from?

Illinois? Arkansas? New York?

See, it works any way you like. Many old c-listers here are for Clinton and have some intelligent things to say. I think I will lend an ear to them. At least when Fry does his thing he tries to back up what he says.

Hipster

-Hip

About a VP choice. I think Obama would help Hillary to an extent, but Hillary would not help Obama. The Hillary supporters will support the Dem ticket no matter what. Obama's Republican crossovers and indies would not stick around. I'd like to see Hillary pick Wes Clark, maybe...

The young will always support the new kid on the block. They have all these fresh ideas, but will they work. Look what happened 4 years ago with Howard Dean. He got them all fired up. I am glad the young are getting involved. More power to them. Why are not out on the streets protesting the war. They want change well demand now, Bush is still in command for 11 months. They jumped on his war vote and he is using it to his advantage but what about the rest of his votes. What other things are good and bad about him. The press is riding the exciting wave, but why are not digging into his past. I don't want dirt, I want the truth. He's getting better by the day, but I want to know more about him. We know all about Hillary.

VaDa

I think the idea if getting out in the streets doesnt appeal to kids because they think it is futile. You know there were a number of protests early on but they didnt catch.

I think the Dean people did hang around to a large extent.

Maybe if Obama doesnt go all the way they can stick around for later times.

Thanks
Hipster

"I believe much of Obama's support is soft."

Ditto what Hip said. Plus, I think Obama's support is VERY real. When I say that, I mean real for him, not specifically for the Democratic party. Obama's supporters believe in HIM personally, and the change they think he will bring. That's pretty damn real.

The difference, I believe, is that Hillary supporters tend to be very pragmatic, and think change can't happen in one fell swoop. It doesn't mean they are right, it's just the way I think they see politics.

I agree the protests did not catch on but if they see how much voice they really have. Look what they are doing just with Obama alone. Look what was going on outside before the last debate.

The first week I was in DC, I found out the hard way why the women wear tennis shoes. My high heel got caught in a groove and I fell to the bottom with the escalater tearing up my shins before they got the stairs stopped.

I got carted out in an ambulance. It all healed up well nothing broken, just deep abrasions.

Be careful with that cane!!!

Read the history books. There was an idea floating for Ford as VP to "share" the Presidency. Criag's mistake was simply forgetting how the media spins anyting into "let;s hate Hillary" and perhaps Shelia is being a bit sensitive.

Many people in Mass actually thinkl the "Obama is a muslim email" might be coming from Obama supporters who want people to think it is the evil Hillary at work.

And a note for Shelia. Why would Hillary's supporters be so angry these days.? Sour grapes? Well, imagine fellow Democrats pointing out obvious contradictions in policiy statements, an inconsistent record touted as courageous, the blatant first strikes against Hillary's character escalating into racist, ripping down the Clinton administration and then being told, "Obama is Obama" and that answering the questions asked is not necessary?

"Obama is Obama"? I did not see Jesus seated next to Hillary the other night. The reason why Obama is doing as well as he is is that polls indicate America is more ready for a man than a woman in the oval office. Even if that man is black, yellow or red I suspect. So far, this is the unspoken reality; that glass cielings are stronger than the doors of segregation. If it is normal that blacks should vote for the one they most identify with, fine. I hope women do the same. Hillary does quite well debating Obama without Bill by her side. Unfortunately, to defeat Hillary, the Obama camp had to tear down much of the Clinton Era and I am glad that Obama was forced to make purty in front of the Holywood crowd. Perhaps he is a believer now....cause ..well, after all, "Bill is Bill", warts, blow jobs, pardons and all.

And if you think the record of achievement, a factual history of reaching out and getting the hard work done had nothing to do with it, then you MUST be drinking that Kool Aid.

Obama brought up Hillary's sanction vote and she did everything she could from saying, "You didn't even vote and let me remind you what you told a largely Jewish audience at AIPAC not too long ago". For her to go at Obama in these matters risks reminding an anti-war crowd she is more of a hawk, pro-Israel and a despot hater.

Guess nobody has told the Democrats Iran declared last week that they don't want to talk to even a Democratic President. And Obama certainly doesn't want to hear from Lynch, the UN, France, Pollack, Murtha or any one else that the surge provided the security that has lead to political progress and Iraqi soldiers standing up as AQ gets their ass kicked. What kind of judgement would have started reducing troops almost a year ago, set a time table in the idea that this would force Iraqis to make nice?

The spin that Obama could debate McCain best with his record is HILLarious. That is just what Obama wants believers to believe.

So Craig, you might want to remember the Democrats have become quite religious and messing with their articles of faith a dangerous act of honesty.

One of the things that concerns me about Obama is that he simply has never faced any reall opposition either in state offices or for the Senate. The oratory is wonderful, but everything he says is rather short on details.

I believe Patsi is right that Clinton's supporters tend to take a much more pragmatic view of politics. We believe she will bring definite change but she will do it in a way that involves the more moderate members of the other side of the aisle and building coalitions.

I would dearly love to see him as her VP since anyone else she asks simply wouldn't have the "star power" that the two of them would take to the election.

Patsi
The difference, I believe, is that Hillary supporters tend to be very pragmatic, and think change can't happen in one fell swoop. It doesn't mean they are right, it's just the way I think they see politics.

That's because of life experiences that the young have not had to experience yet. So when talking about HIllary's "experience" it goes well beyond her political experience. Life is a great teacher.

Well, VAD, they pulled in 250,000 in NY at the Republican convention and there were over 1 million world wide at one point in a single event once. I dont think it has the same effect it had the 60's.

I've got some buddies on the anti-war GOP side of things (they are Ron Paul supporters) who are feeling really helpless right now and don't know what to do. They see McCain making statements like "we could stay in Iraq for 100 years and that would be fine with me as long as the troops were safe." What he is saying is that the casualties are not good but if we can get them then keeping an occupying force in Iraq for 100 years is fine.

So what they see is this guy is just going to cruise in there with unabashed nation building.

They just feel powerless I think.

Some of the 20somethings I know aren't political at all. They dont understand or know much about these red and blue teams we have divided ourselves in to. SOME (but not all) Clinton supporters who post on here like to portray Obama as naive and stupid (or lucky). Don't kid yourselves. He knows exactly what he is doing when drawing younger voters into the mix, hence the "looking forward" rhetoric.

Just my respectful 2 cents

Hip

No matter who the candidate is, remember Bush still has 11 months to go. We need action now!

"One of the things that concerns me about Obama is that he simply has never faced any reall opposition either in state offices or for the Senate."

Thats a very real area of concern. As I recall he talked some about that in "Audacity."

Hip

Well gang I have to get out of here and do some work. Will see you all some more this weekend.

Get away from those screens some and get outside. Its clear, blue and cold here in the Georgia mtns.

VAda- good to "meet you. " see you

Hip

Youth is wasted on the young.

I hope they do become active and involved, but in reality I think they will "vote" and go back to living their day to day lives. No matter who is elected. they'll go back to doing what they want to do, not spending their extra time working on social justice issues, etc. or changing the country.

"a Wii in every household"

redst3---Looks like I hit a nerve! Deep down, do you believe it to be true? Dreams are important. Did not post my comments out of malice.

Sheila,

for the record as I have not announced one way or the other my primary pick is Obama to date. however, if he does not come out of the primery as the Dem nominee I will vote for Sen Clinton without hesitation. We should be bashing the Repgs and not the Dems in My Opinion. Just saying....

yo soy Horsedooty!

Hip brought up a very interesting point: the Ron Paul people. These are REALLY serious. I wonder where they put that frustration....I STILL see almost no yard signs in Nashville except for Ron Paul.

I think Hillary picks someone like Brendesen to clinch the South. Gore gave her a bad taste and Biden isn't known for keeping his foot out of his mouth.

Obama is still the likely pick because it aces his chance the next time around. Still, I don't think Hillary wants Obama over her shoulder either. Bob Kerry might work, but then that is a NY ticket.

She might as well give Bill the VP spot rather than a SCOTUS nod. Under a Hillary administration would we see justice Edwards or justice Biden? I say make Posner the att gen, but then all these considerations run the risk of Lefties painting Hillary the centrist. In this climate, that is a death wish.

As Craig pointed out, the most ruthless often become President. Just ask McCain or Dukakis.

Gaints need a five man rush, Eli being on target and effective bumping of NE receivers. They also can't get folled by the blitz game. Of course they could win and I pick them 30 to 27, but this is wishing. The record, coaching and depth have to go to NE. Patriots are the immovable force for good reason and my bias will never devolve into rants of evil empire...LOL They are a beautiful team to watch and deserve the credit they get. NY woke up after beating the Bears. Perhaps Obama never forgave Hillary. Now I bet he rooting for NE which actually, would be quite consistent of him. It goes with Ted and Kerry endorsing him. To bad those two never took anything from Belechick's playbook. Hell, maybe Barady will endosre Obama, or better yet, run one day himself on his record as a QB.

I have 2 first times voters- both will be 18 in Nov. One favors Ron Paul and the other favors Hillary Clinton. One is male one is female. One lives in NYC in college and one at home. One has done a lot of reading and watched some debates, and one has not.

there has been mention of the pragmatism of the HRC supporters, but I find some of those supporters romanticizing the Clinton years in the WH as the Kennedy supporters are being accused of doing the same with the "Camelot" years. JFK was a hawk, paranoid, hated Cuba, etc. We need to fill our hindsight with more clarity, rather than just recalling the positives. The Clinton years were a boon for msome but did further divide the economic classes. Welfare Reform was an abysmal failure. NAFTA is a mess. Don't ask, don't tell, which may have seemed progressive at the time is now passe, and merely amusing. We need to move forward. As I said here the other day, it amazes me that in a country of over 300 million people we allow the same 2 families to occupy the WH over and over and over. We need new ideas, fresh blood. Just move on.

If you haven't seen the McCain commercial, guess what? He will be ready to be Commander In Chief on DAY ONE

All that activity by the candidates on DAY ONE, I hope they save something for DAY TWO. After All,
CHANGES must be made. :-)

Native American lore says---The TRIBE 1st, the FAMILY 2nd, the INDIVIDUAL 3rd. Everybody's welfare is a priority from the beginning.

Why am I a Democrat----because I want to take care of the entire tribe.

I champion the environment. "Man did not weave the web of life---he is merely a strand of it---whatever he does to the web---he does to himself". Chief Seattle 1854. It is crazy not to take care of our life source-our environment. If it takes some sacrifice to do so---than I am willing to do so.

I want health care for EVERYONE in my tribe. No one should be turned away and allowed to suffer or die because of lack of money.

I want education for all of my tribe. Just because one may not have a child in the education system---does not mean one stops caring about education for those who are and will need to be educated. Those youngsters will be our future.

I believe in a woman's right to choose. No one has any business telling me that I must bring a child into a world that I am not emotionally ready to or financially able to raise. No one has the right to mandate I keep a child in undesireable circumstances or adopt a child out as a solution. If you are going to MAKE me give birth to a child---then I expect you to send me a BIG BIG CHECK that covers the cost and services of raising a child you MADE ME give birth to.

I am a Democrat---and I think it is utterly stupid to destroy and throw away embryonic stem cells , but have the potential to save the lives of all of those in my tribe.

I am a Democrat---I want the people of 3rd world countries to receive birth control---not just to be taught abstinence---and then to die of AIDS with little medical care. That's deplorable.

I am a Democrat that believes church and state do not mix. I don't want your religious interpretations dictating what is right for me.

I am a Democrat----I want this WAR to end . I would rather wisely spend my tax dollars on social programs than to spend them on war. If that is what some call more government than so be it.

So if that makes me a member of the "Mommy" party---so be it.

Now this is interesting: former Fed Chief Paul Volcker has come out for Obama.

Those of you who've been here for a while know I think Volcker was the guy responsible for ending nasty inflation of the '70s and laid the foundation for the prosperity of the '80s and '90s.

Patsi,
The majority of the yard signs I see here are for Ron Paul too.
I think you're right that his supporters will have an impact.

Bill and Hillary will be with Bill Richardson hanging out for the Super Bowl. Wonder what they are going to talk about over the guacamole & Chips?

Posted by: dnd | February 2, 2008 11:32 AM

we talked about this the other day and wished you were here some folks had never heard of him and didn't know the history. Do you think you could post about it. I pointed out he had the guts to raise the interest rates to 18% (so we could all go back to visiting Europe) He was demonized by Raygun and his followers...the Volcker Recession.

"redst3---Looks like I hit a nerve!"

-GORDO

No you didnt. I responded. Thats all. I know well and good where you are coming from. There's no malice in my response either.

-Hipster

Does it really mater who they are going to watch the game with. I would have no problem if they watched the game with McCain. They can be friends. Just like a football game during the game it's a different story. Why make a big deal out of who is watching the game with who. No one cares who we watch the game with.

For all of you who think the media is irrelevant, it looks like they eliminated the strongest Democratic contender.

.http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/02/big-media-fluffs-mccain-stuffed-edwards/#comments

Daryl will you come watch the game with me?

:-)

Hip

be glad to

hip, did you pick a candidate yet

I think Edwards will stay out or endorse Senator Clinton.

KGC,
Arthur Burns' economic model was a complete failure. Volcker's monetary policies realized that it'd take some pain to get out of the inflationary spiral. Carter stuck with Volcker, knowing the economy wasn't going to recover in his first term. It was a case of doing what's right for the country and not what's best for political ambition. Kinda like when Ford pardoned Nixon.

When Reagan kept him on as Fed Chief, Volcker told him the first two years would be bloody, but things would get better after that. To Reagan's credit, he stuck with him. And sure enough, after '82 things started getting better. Best decision Reagan ever made.

Vadaryl

It was just a comment. She really needs the Hispanic vote in California and all across the south west, and he has been mentioned several times as a potential VP though he says he's happy being a governor. Just seemed like an interesting place to be for chatting.

Yes, I have already voted for Obama..."because he is THE MAN"

I would watch the game with you though, unless you were in the Taliban or something.

Hipster

Jamie, I know yours was just a comment, but it is gretting some press coverage.

I dont know where Renee is or is going to be, but she will be pulling for the Patriots. I know that. Football and politics, two of my favorite things....

-Hipster

oh no.. more Noron

go pats!

I am not in the Taliban. What does "THE MAN" mean.

Hate to hit and run, but I'm doing it again.

Just a quick comment on Colleen's statement regarding the same two families over and over. This is one of Chris Matthews themes, but it's a specious argument. First of all, Hillary is not Bill, and she's probably a lot less like her husband than W is like his father. After all there are no inherited traits.

Your argument for new ideas has merit, but to think Hillary is incapable of them would be a mistake.

I don't have any strong preference between Hillary and Obama, but the least of my concerns would be the Bush-Clinton-Bush progression. No matter how Mr. Matthews frames it, ANY Democrat moving into the White House after this administration EQUALS CHANGE.

I am a Steeler fan, so I really don't care who wins, but after the Steelers had that run a few years ago when Big Ben first started I would like to see another team lose and have their season go down the drain

Bill Richardson headed for the senate in the Pete's seat. He is almost termed out as gov.

After all it takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush :)

Va-

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/02/clinton-as-cheney.html#comment-25423

and

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/02/clinton-as-cheney.html#comment-25431

will explain "the man" comment.

Gotta run gang. Time for a nice nap with Wifey.

GO GIANTS!!!!

Hipster

Va Daryl

Your a Steelers fan? You HAVE to be kidding me. Stick around C-List.

I'm a very big Steelers fan. Check out my home page and you should see for yourself:

Http://theaginghipster.blogspot.com

The reason Matthews keeps pushing that "same two families line" is that he simply can't conceive of a woman as being something other than an extension of her nearest male relative or husband.

A woman as an individual capable of loving and taking in input from men while making her own wise decisions is simply a foreign concept to Tweety.

Sadly, it is a foreign concept to millions of men.

Sorry...domestic chores and I had to make a wine run and buy Moody Blues tickets online.

Craig...will email you...you are so awesome.

"I think Hillary picks someone like Brendesen"

As a Tennessean, I hope she doesn't pick Phil Bredesan. He's wooden, and an unexciting campaigner. Plus, he's a Republican under the skin. I'm not even sure he'd pull Tennessee for her.

I personally believe an Obama/Clinton ticket would be better as a winner than the other way around. That way you could get the Obamacans, such as President Eisenhower's daughter, involved

http://www.newsweek.com/id/107476

As a Hillary supporter you are right. She should run the government, he should sit and look pretty. He will get the benefit of her experience and maybe get a second term. Obama/Axelrod created a product that goes up to the day when they win the White House, but they don't know what to do next and how to do it. They don't care, they want to win by any means necessary. The mob, will want to have their idol look good. It takes a lot of work to keep the story going. No time for running the government. Our elected inspirer will be busy transcending. This leaves no time for reading papers or cleaning up programs.

Brain in NYC

I agree with you and I think that she should have made that clear in the debate by stating Yes, BO would be a great VP. I don't think BO will get the nomination -- look at Texas polls-- and so, the dream team idea is not crap if it is HRC/BO.

Susan Eisenhower is President of the Eisenhower Group, Inc, which provides strategic counsel on political, business and public affairs projects. Ms. Eisenhower has consulted for major companies doing business overseas such as IBM, American Express, Diebold Corporation and Loral Space Systems.

BR is my governor and he should run for the seat vacated by Domenici...who really got messed-up in the AG Gonzo scandal along with Heather Wilson (another Bill Maher fav)...real scumbags.

Okay Corey...Plastech (plastic, the fabric of our lives)...what is so funny?

I don't understand why Bill R. hasn't declared for the Senate

because he just stopped running for pres. and needs to build up a little capital before another foray.

Yes, I meant granddaughter. I try to catch up a little when I come down to lower level to check laundry. Would love to stay on longer but just don't the time.

Denish our Lt. Gov had endorsed HRC. My sister keeps sending emails to BR to endorse HRC...it is driving her crazy. I really have no idea 'what' BR is waiting for...maybe he knows something we do not know. And I know his wife, Barbara wants to be in DC.

Democrats won gains in 2006 based on blue dogs. They put the stefprd Sebilious out there to respond to the SUTU. Bredensen would carry Tenn, Gore did not. I note the remark to this suggestion implies most DLCer's are Republicans. Maybe the Repuublicans should have bribed Ford Jr. to run for them...LOL. The Republicans may likely nominate a person who challenged many Conservative ideas. Democrats eat those who challenge their articles of faith. When Obama picks up the supportsof the Right and Left who aren't model centrists or moderates, his camp claims he is a coalition builder. Yes, the colaition of the more extreme. When Hillary gets the nod from more centered leaders, she is vilified as a Republican. I guess Rove moved the Democratic 50 yard line to their twenty yard line. The problem is that national polling does not agree. Shelia is quite happy to elect a sales man. The problem is that he can sell his stuff to Democrats, but the nation is not as faithful a following. The continued refusal of addressing policy problems, contradictory declarations, personal attacks and questionable record, is rather obvious, yes? While Obama touts his immigration stand, McCain will present the factual record of Obama's voting. McCain will quote Obama's speech to AIPAC, his campaign speeches in 2004, and compare such triangulation with JFK and Reagan. Not only has Obama not held a single meeting of the Senate Sub Committee on Foreign Relations in Eastern Europe and NATO, he hasn't even met with European leaders in Europe as JFK did. Perhaps talking with our allies is a pre-condition to talking to our enemies. And what if our allies agree with Hillary as most of Europe favors a Clinton. Why? These OZ like sales pitches from behind the curtain of vetting, is exactly how Obama plans to run to nomination. McCain is going to use independent sources to PROVE increased security has lead to SOME real progress in Iraq and I suppose he will read the 2003 offer from Iran and ask Obama as President whether he would have accepted Iranian conditions. You can read their absurd offer by doing a Google. He will ask Obama at what point did the Iranians stop their nuclear weapon program and whether enrcichment is considered part of that program. Can Obama identifiy all the dormant nuclear weapon program facilities? Obama has nothing on McCan over torture or experiance and McCain will bring up courruption charges on Obama as ask Americans to decide if Obama's denials are plausible. He will tout Judical Watch List. McCain will point to JFK and Reagan on the tax issue and sport his bipartisan effort and opposition to Bush mistakes as why he is the compromiser and uniter, not that everyone is buying it. Then McCain will list all who endorsed Obama and not the more center Hillary. He will ask all of America, "Who is likely to unite this country, one who garners the greatest support from thier most extreme base, or one who has reached out and atcually beat back the base to wn their nomination?" Only Hillary can show such Independence and after all, that was what JFK was about. He followed his advosirs into the Bay of Pigs and then remembered his head and steered center. What, is McCain going to say another Clinton is worse than having had two Bushes? Of course Hillary could use her mess joke again.

Perhaps Democrats should remember their heads too and realize it is easy to play to the heart while avoiding tough questions. Their are many unemployed writers who can write great oratory. It is much harder stay true to a life-long ideology to be bipartisan, tough on national security, strong on the economy and have real plans that actually get passed, elevating key Liberal goals like Healthcare, equal opportunity, education, energy independence, immigration reform, while finally showing half of America a woman can lead, can unite and accomplish what so many women do every day in shaping today's children into future responsible and compassionate adults. I suspect Obama's mother did exactly that. She was the rock despite her family line going back to slavery. The game of death by association here is a false one, though who can ignore tha endorsements coming to Obama from the Left and Right in their effort to see an ideologue sales man win, rather than a centrist woman who has shown strength under fire, principle, bipartianship and a rather long resume to back it up?

Oh I forget, "Obama is Obama". Geees people, I thought such faith would have died with the Bush adminisitration.

"A woman as an individual capable of loving and taking in input from men while making her own wise decisions is simply a foreign concept to Tweety."

Jamie..... unfortunately.... I think it is also a foreign concept for some of the women posters on this blog....

Hip.... I've been lurking a lot lately..... too much repeating of the same stuff over and over again bores the crap out of me..... I LOVE to learn..... boredom is my enemy..... not political candidates.... especially on the Dem side....

chickadee...... CLAP! CLAP! great post about why you're a Democrat!

some of you know I worked as an election official for a long time...... can't tell you how many times I've seen the younger generation (even while I was a member) get all excited over a candidate and then just not show up to vote in large numbers in the general election....
hope this time it's different..... but I have to see it before I believe it.....

Craig..... take care and have a good trip back to DC....

GO DEMOCRATS!
GO PATRIOTS!

Please excuse the typos, I type fast and I can't type....LOL I check post quickly to see if the typos destroy any meaning. You guys have the advantage due to much shorter comments....LOL Should that tell me something? Now if TRAIl has spell check, that would be almost as good as an unbiased "fact check".

"She was the rock despite her family line going back to slavery." -----I meant of course, "slave owners".

No, new would be the Department of Peace with SECPEA Kuncinich. Biden for SECDEF might mean the end of missile defense. Note amazing new test of DoD rail guns today. Raptors better replace those grounded f-15s. Also note first death in new griant bomb proof carriers Congress wanted thousands of to be rushed to Iraq. Before dreaming of SECDEF picks, might one vet their policies? Oh, I forget, their charisma should be enough.

Dangerous question for Obama: Will you as Presdient permit Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons or react to any effort on their part to green light thier terror proxies?

Want to bet you know Hillary's answer? The fact you can't be sure of Obama's ought to tell you something about the snake oil.

Senator Obama, will you improve relations with NK if the refuse to come clean about their nuclear programs and profieration? And how does your Republican friend Senator Lugar support your answer?

The general election will be nastier than the primaries.

Tom Petty alert...Sundance channel at this moment is playing Bogdanavich's look (2007) at Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers' history...wonderful tunes and interviews.

If I was going to pick a dream team it would be Clinton-Obama.
This is why. If Clinton won the nomination and became elected president with Obama as veep, we could possibly hold it for 8 yrs. Then Obama could take over for another 8 yrs. It would get him out of the senate and give him first hand knowlege and he would be the natural heir to the presidency. Just imagine what the democratic party could accomplish in 16 yrs. It could be awesome!!!

truebeliever

Ditto
I believe that is "what" this is all about.

According to the recent polling on head to head matches

the dream ticket would have Edwards as the pres.

That was the plan until Obama's ego went to his head. Let's see what the damage will be from his decision.

I guess his creative imagination coupled with his brilliance has led him to the wisdom now unfolding.....

I don't think his wife wanted him to play second fiddle to a white lady, but then such humor here could be construed as racist. I thought many white ladies prefer a black man behind them, or at least on top.

Kidding aside, Gore upset the apple cart and one must wonder if Obama or Clinton want such a strong personality as second fiddle. Mabe they should just make their spouses VP...

The political groudhog says 10 more months of compaigning.

Max -- you type so much that nobody can read it anyway.

Renee et al,

Just up from a nap. lurking lurking lurking

Hipster

Craig, I'm a die-hard Clinton supporter, but I agree that no way should she take the second spot on an Obama ticket. No way. The woman is far more qualified, has the experience and a better understanding of the issues. Thus, I agree with your Cheney remark. I totally get it. I don't think it was an insult to HRC, I think it was just realistic.

Beyond that, I think she will win on Tuesday, and win the nomination. Should she put BO on the ticket? I guess she should if she thinks he will generate a huge turn-out, but with McCain the likely GOP nominee, I'd rather see her second spot go to Jim Webb,

I think people are so stressed out and nervous around this election that they are getting twitchy over the slightest perceived slight. I like both candidates, but this is Hillary's moment.

To clarify:

"thought many white ladies prefer a black man behind them, or at least the white lady being on top."

And as one black friend told me, "Obama winning might scare white America. Once we go black, we'll never go back".

I am just a democrat period. I want to beat the repug's badly in the fall. I want someone who is strong and can undo all the damage bush has done. I want them to control things for a long time. I want someone who knows where the bones are buried and the inside knowledge to really get some things done. I also want the hope of the future. Whoever wins will have me vote--I am just thinking how the democrats could wield the most power for the longest period of time.

Brain in NYC

You really get into the road rage on the blogging highway, don't you? Fortunately for most of us, you can't do much bodily harm.

maxtrue said, "You guys have the advantage due to much shorter comments....LOL Should that tell me something?

yes, it should. Break it up some. We don't need a tome or a full lecture every time you post. If you have so much to say maybe try writing a book. Not trying to be snippy but thats the way I see it.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Hillary campaign rally on c-span now

Maxtrue

You are right about MO fanning the flames of racism and the media touted her as an innocent.

You sound more sexist, Brain in NYC, than Max sounds racist.

Hell, if Obama supporters wish to ignore direct questions, then why not repeat them? You would think that his supporters could come up with some answers other than "Obama is Obama", yes?

You thnk this gets easier after the primary? I have heard the nastiest crap thrown at the Clintons from Liberals these last several months. There is nothing wrong with asking hard questions, observing obvious facts and questioning Obama's supporters. At the same time it makes sense in also pointing out the media slant and the Republicans piling on. I should just shut up until reality imitates art. I'll make an offer, you all answer the questions and I'll stop asking them.

But don't answer them with hopes and prayers, answer them with facts. Faith has very little to do with policy. If that was the case, Elvis would have been President.

Have a good afternoon all----going to see a Clinton rally in Springfield, Mo tonight. I'm excited. I live in the middle of nowhere so we never hardly get to see anyone. It's suppose to be Bill. I wish Obama would come around close.

It's a beautiful day here, I am going to play with my hubby and dog.
Bye.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/obama-does-harry-and-louise-again/

Krugman annoyed.

patsi - Wes Clark is a great choice. He had a lot of support last time and would help Clinton with folks who are incapable of thinking of a woman as Commander In Chief.

Weather is B-YOU-T-FULL here, too!

This Hillary rally looks like fun. She looks good. Endorsers on hand Villalagrossa, Maxine Waters, Magic Johnson, Bradley Whitford.

Maxtrue

You might read more and type a little less. That Washington Monthly article was linked several times. I even used it as a reference on my blog. Before you start flinging the accusations, you might check who is for or against a candidate.

I'm still reading but wanted to say that Sheila has been here for a long time. In that time I have never seen her be anything but respectful to others views and has always been willing to agree to disagree.

There seems to be a lot of inter party bickering going on lately and its unfair to Craig who lets us all hang out here.

And horsedooty is right about the in fighting needing to stop. Why are Democrats acting like Republicans?

We all support the candidate of our choice and we should respect everyone else's choice. That doesn't mean we have to agree with it.

We should mainly be bashing the Nazi's who want to keep taking our Freedoms and Constitution away from us.

Just my two cents.

God Bless.

((Anon))

Good to see you old friend.

Hipster

Robert Parry's comments on which Democrat candidate might stave off the Republican corporate smearing machine.

Obama, Clinton & GOP Attack Machine

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/020208.html

Senator Clinton was endorsed a long time ago by
three of Senator Robert Kennedy's children. Why shouldn't she invoke his name. They invoke his name as part of their endorsement. Long before Ted and Caroline there was Katheen Kennedy Townsend.

Why do the Obama ads have pictures of RFK when all of RFK's children have edorsed Clinton.

I think you missed the point. The Bobby Kennedy connection is very important in the Cal latino community and Ted and Caroline are an attempt to play catchup and they are using Bobby;s image

Obama is trying to falsely claim the mantle of Bobby
he can have Jack and Ted.

Hi hipster...
I need to stop by your place. Its been awhile since I dropped in.
Take care and...

God Bless.

I thought I would check in today for some insightful
political discussion.

Unfortunately, reading many of these posts is like going back to high school...bickering, insults, etc.

I've had enough for one day..bye

that's a load of crap

we are only hearng what the media reports. how do you know what she has been saying.

RE: Gray Davis

I can't imagine anyone I would less want showing up with a candidate in California.

Actually Gray Davis is popular again. He was never unpopular with the base of the Democratic party

Ahhhnold has made an even bigger budget mess than Davis. Talk about buyer's remorse.

cartoon - questionable celebrity endorsements

http://news.yahoo.com/edcartoons/jerryholbert;_ylt=AsLQ1ZbPEE_TCQk.z3eUtLPb.sgF

Come on by and see me Anon, hope your family illness situation is improving.

-Hip

Max...
The Republican Party has been taken over by the new Nazi's and all the new dictatorial powers that the President has are no different than those HItler got passed to take over Germany.

I always thought that there had to be so much dirt on Democrats and Republicans {real republicans of olden days} as the reason Impeachment was taken off the table.

Of course you have to add in the power to label anyone and that includes American Citizens as Enemy Combatants. Yes you can be arrested as an enemy combatant. You can be locked up indefinitely with no right to a lawyer or a court hearing. You can also be Tortured.

Under signing statements which say which laws he won't obey and his executive orders he can also seize all your assets.

Feel any safer? If the policies put forth by this Administration are no different than those of Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Pinochet, HItler and many other despots both in the past and present, than yes they are Nazi's.

God Bless.

Kathleen Kennedy Towsend campaigned with Senator Clinton in NH and possibly Iowa. It is not the fault of the campaign if the media thought Oprah was more important.

Maxtrue,

There is the problem that your posts are so long that the majority of people here would simply skip over them. This is a quick conversation not a seminar on issues. I would suggest that you get a blog for posting you ideas and then simply give the subject and link to it for those interested. Otherwise, I'm afraid you will get almost no feedback due to length.

"Obama Hack"

Sheesh

Hip

max...
If I'm correct Hitler considered himself a Christian. He also said that God wanted him to be Chancellor much like Der Fuhrer Bush has said God told him he would be President.

And it wasn't only Jews who were discriminated against though far more so than Gypsies and Blacks who were treated like the dregs of society.

Those who support this administration and want to continue down the path were on are Nazi's in every sense of the word.

Our Military is on the verge of destruction, our economy is in collapse and he now has his own private army of women and children killers to put on the streets to stop any dissent against him.

And don' t believe for one minute he won't use them to shoot American Citizens when we finally stand up against him.

God Bless.

Jamie,

I believe your post was about 69 words. My average post which I post at a far more infrequent rate than you is about four times the length.

What is the nature of the thread? To discuss Craig's thoughts at the top? About the flack for calling Hillary a Cheny VP? I suppose a discussion of that would take place with twenty word exchanges. Why not stop all pretense at converstaion and call it a chat board. Okay.

I did come hear to deflect the huge B.S. being heaped on the Clintons and to resist the Left Borg. I supposed some CLinton supporters would enjoy my posts and I hope Obama supporters would offer a shred of rebutal to specific charges. Guess I was wrong.

Resistance is futile.....not

I suggest to all more moderate Democrats and those supporting Hillary --just vote and understand the Left and the Right don't want a debate, they need only your faith. But then would be like creationism comes to politics.

Have a nice day...

Got too run. Nap time for this old man.

Take care and ...

God Bless all.

Anon,

Shirer said in "The Rise and Fall" that Hitler intended to deal with the churches when the war was done. I do not believe he was a Christian. He also let the SS and others dabble in the occult without too much concern..

Hip

max...
Please don't leave. We all want to carry on discussions, however we also realize that unless we truly have a change in direction we may be doomed and our country destroyed.

I may not support Hillary, but I will vote Democrat in the General no matter who the nominee is.

Gotta go now.

Take care and ...

God Bless all.

Max,

The only thing I am getting from reading your posts is that you are kind of here to enlighten us all. What I am seeing is that basically every one who doesnt support Hillary is a hack or some dupe of the "Islamofacists."
Its like your premise is you are the only one who has anything interesting to say.

No need to be so hostile about Jamie's comment on the length of your post. I think she's just trying to let you know how C-listing is done around here. I think she's just trying to be helpful.....you should listen to her, after all she is an enlightened Clinton supporter.

No disrespect intended.

Hip

Just joshing any way. I'm out of here for a bit, will be back later in the evening...have a great day all you C-listers!

Hipster

Hip...
In Mein Kampf IIRC he considered himself a Christian and blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus.

Also he used the church to help him get the Enabling Act passed I believe. The church thought that he would make it the Religion of Germany and it was the churchs votes that allowed the Enabling Act to pass.

Where upon he arrested his political enemies.

What everyone seems to forget is that Hitler was Insane just like Bush is and most brutal Dictators.

God Bless.

peace

Hip

Max----I have found your posts to be very interesting. I have looked for posts with thought out substance.
Your posts take more time to read and process than most of the commentary----reading shows interest.

Yes--I have been observing your progression towards Hilliary.

When you read the blogs it's quite obvious who the crazymakers are and the ones who delight in being the burr in the saddle.

chickadee...
"When you read the blogs it's quite obvious who the crazymakers are and the ones who delight in being the burr in the saddle."

I don't know if you were referring too me or not, but I really have reached a point in my life that I don't really care what people think about my views or if they think I'm just an old crazy paranoid idiot.

If I'm wrong so be it and you can all go on considering me crazy.

However, if I'm right there will be a lot of people saying "I never thought it could happen here."

Anyway that's all I have too say right now. Need to take a nap and rest my weary old bones.

Take care all and ...

God Bless.

Max----

Some show tendencies towards---Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder

For those interested here is a link showing HItlers quotes on Christianity.

http://www.mtfreethinkers.org/essays_stories/religion/adolph_hitler.htm

God Bless.

Oh by the way I consider myself a Christian.

God Bless.

I think Fat Tuesday (Mardi Gras) and Super Tuesday are colliding this year?

tt

"I think Fat Tuesday (Mardi Gras) and Super Tuesday are colliding this year"?
tt

It sure is---my son is on a float and can't get back to AL to make his choice known---which is Hillary.

Hi all. Just checking in to say howdy before I get set to throw a nice rack of ribs on the fire. Looks like you've been having a pretty lively Saturday here, based on the number of Hitler references anyway.

Was curious: Where does anyone think a serious discussion of climate change is going to fit into this election year? I haven't really seen any of the candidates on either side pressed on it lately...and am wondering if there is ever likely to be feet held to fire there. Are either McCain and Romney trying to distance themselves from the Bush policies? Can we expect either of them to be hammered hard on this by either Clinton or Obama in the general?

Damn...it's almost unnerving to read Blond wino's posts..she thinks exactly like I do...even to the point of watching the Tom Petty show on Sundance earlier...amazing coincidences.
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HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THIS VIDEO YET? It's the damndest campaign video I have ever seen! Check it out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2UesvrH-cs&feature=related

""enlightened Clinton supporter""

No more an oxymoron than

Obama Mamma

:-)

""I think Fat Tuesday (Mardi Gras) and Super Tuesday are colliding this year"?"

And the Chinese New Year.

Does this mean a harmonic convergence and we all float in mid air or something?

BTW,

Year of the Rat

No wonder it is the last year in Georgie's term in office.

Lardass Liberal:

It looks like this guy Novick is against polluters, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBoC8vjcMsA&NR=1

Anyway, even with all the attention paid to Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" , the global warming crisis has slipped off the front page...well, it never was front page, was it.

Global warming should be #2 on the hot button panel right beside the ending of the Iraq war.

Well...we now know "IT'S THE ECONOMY ,STUPID" that is being touted as #1 issue...and believe me, people who are out of work and need good jobs are NOT concerned with global warming, climate change, or any war anyplace,except as a side issue.

None of these candidates is touting global warming as an issue of concern much at all.

We will just have to hope they come around to it when they get elected.

Dex...that's what I thought. It just seems to be relegated to page five in everyone's standard "issues" papers. And it's kind of disappointing. Talk about restoring the moral standing of the U.S. around the world -- taking the lead...the REAL lead...on that issue would be the way to do that.

Those Novick ads are hilarious. When was the last time we saw HUMOR deployed in campaign ads...I think it's a great idea.

"harmonic convergence" I like this. :-)

tt

Careful, Jamie...Some of us were born in the YEAR OF THE RAT!!!

LaLi

Hairspray is a fun movie. Went to see it in the theater and will probably buy it. No real deep thought, just pure fun ... the good guys get the goodies and the bad guys get their comeuppance and all of it happens on "Bandstand".

Preaching to the choir, I know, but here's one of the reasons to get rid of the BUSH RAT...

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nationworld/story/271900.html

Craig, I hope you will raise an with Keith Olbermann the next time you are on Countdown re the issue of media bias that may have led to inaccurate coverage of Hillary Clinton's reason for voting against the Levin amendment in 2002. I am a long-time fan of Olbermann's courageous journalism. But I belive he should retract or at least temper his reporting of Friday evening on the Levin Amendment. He implied strongly that she lied re her statement in the debate with Obama on why she had voted against the amendment. (Andrea Mitchell made the same outrageous charge on Morning Joe on Friday morning.) They both said that her argument had no merit since the amendment did not do what she claimed.

The crediblity of Hillary's statement is proven by the fact that someone as esteemed as Sen. Russell Feingold agreed with the view that Hillary Clinton expressed in the debate with Obama regarding the Levin Amendment. Here is what Sen. Feingold said in 2002.

"Mr. FEINGOLD. Mr. President, I rise to briefly
comment on Senator Levin's alternative proposal
relating to Iraq. Some of my colleagues for whom I
have tremendous respect have tried to address the fact
that the administration's proposal is simply not good
enough by emphasizing the desirability of a United
Nations resolution, thus transforming this dangerous
unilateral proposal into an internationally sanctioned
multilateral mission. But while I recognize that
international support is a crucial ingredient in any
recipe for addressing the weapons of mass destruction
threat in Iraq without undercutting the fight against
terrorism, I will not and cannot support any effort to
give the United Nations Security Council Congress's
proxy in deciding whether or not to send American men
and women into combat in Iraq. No Security Council
vote can answer my questions about plans for securing
WMD or American responsibilities in the wake of an
invasion of Iraq. It is for this reason that I must
oppose the proposal of the distinguished Senator from
Michigan." [Congressional Record, S10257-58, 10/10/02]

Jamie...speaking of recommendations, did you (or anyone else here) happen to see the Planet Earth BBC series narrated by David Attenborough? I just bought the DVD boxed set of it on Amazon for my sister for her birthday. It looks awesome, but was curious if any of my blog pals had first-hand impressions.

Lardass Liberal: Page 5 is right...I watched some reports from Anne Thompson in December...she was in Greenland and the ice is melting at a fantastic rate, you can see the small rivers flowing where just LAST YEAR it was frozen solid. Deep samples indicate much warner temperatures all around...Greenland is melting.

China is making things much worse, and now a $2,500 car , the Tato Nano is available in India
Sounds cute...but a car for everybody? Is this healthy for the globe? Of course not, but how can we look at the Tato Nano as a villanous threat when most of us have more than one vehicle? I, at one time, had seven registered vehicles at once, real overkill, even though of course I only could drive one at a time...it's real freedom for an Indian to have a personal car...how do we say "you can't have that", when we have all our clogged freeways and city streets?

Enjoy the ribs...I am roasting a whole chicken , time to prepare it and stick it in the oven....

Thanks Dex. That's totally scary about Greenland -- even scarier than the melting of ALL Arctic winter ice this past summer.

And I agree that we have no moral authority to tell China or India what they can or cannot have, until we take the lead first.

Oh...and enjoy the chicken Dex. I guess I should practice what I preach. I suppose that firing up the gas grill to cook these ribs isn't doing much for my carbon footprint -- not to mention my eventual carbon buttprint if I keep eating like this.

LaLi

Planet Earth is incredible. You can see a lot of material on the web on the Discovery Channel

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/planet-earth/planet-earth.html

They literally sent teams to the ends of the earth and you can "Play The Game" on the site to direct the teams with budgeted money, supplies etc..

Now this is interesting: Ethel Kennedy's endorsement:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ethel-skakel-kennedy/why-im-supporting-barack_b_84604.html

Lardass...We have the Planet Earth series hosted by Sigourney Weaver...both the dvd's and the book. It's beautifully done...but I'm curious if anyone knows the difference between the two series. I love David Attenborough.

Jamie...awesome, and thanks. I had the opportunity to buy it in either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, but chickened out because I'm not sure my sis has a compatible player. (She has a hi-def TV, but I'm assuming you have to have an advanced player or a regular DVD player won't even read HD-DVD, correct?)

Hey Harborwoman...go on Amazon and check out the customer reviews. I think that issue is addressed, but can't be sure.

Jamie...That link says it's the Planet Earth series hosted by Sigourney Weaver. I thought it might, because I bought ours from Discovery Channel. Are the two series the same?

Thanks, Lardass. I'll take a look.

Hillary Rodham Clinton picked up more direct support. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and her sister, Kerry, have hit the trail for her. The Kennedy family, including Caroline Kennedy and her husband, Edwin, had sent more than $15,000 to Clinton. (Obama had received more than $9,000 from family members.)

Eunice Kennedy Shriver and a half-dozen other family members put money on Sen. Christopher Dodd, who is very close with Sen. Edward M. Kennedy and has known the family for decades.

What happened to the Obama momentum?

Clinton led Obama 48%-41%. "This is up from 3- to 4-point leads Clinton had the previous two days, but it is still a much closer race than a week ago when Clinton led Obama by 15 points," said Saad.

The results are a snapshot based on polling from Jan. 30-Feb. 1, 2008, including interviews with 1,080 Republican and Republican-leaning voters, and 1,205 Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

"...ancient empty streets too dead for dreaming..."

Did someone mention Baghdad?

Okay folks. It's Business Time for these baby backs.
Thanks for all the great info -- politics, global-warming and Dylan!
Time couldn't be better spent than this.
Catch you all again sometime before Super Duper Day.

Tom

Hope you are well

Hip

Loving would be easy if your colors were like my dream
Red, gold and green
Red, gold and green

http://youtube.com/watch?v=A3u3HQtv61M

tt

Jump down a manhole
Light yourself a candle
Dont want to be a bum
You better chew gum

The pumps dont work cause the vandals took the handles.

Hip

Re; Kids endorsements
I wonder how Rudy felt when he found out his daughter was endorsing Obama.

Hip

Ducking out, gotta plan some lessons or else No super bowl for me!

Hip

It is the same show. When it was shown on BBC it was narrated by David Attenborough. The American version was narrated by Sigourney Weaver. Most of the reviews prefer the Attenborough narration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_(TV_series)

I'm guessin' Rudy didn't like it so much

Giuliani, who is 17 and uses a slight variation on her last name for her Facebook profile, had been a member of the "One Million Strong for Barack" Facebook group, something that was visible to all Facebook members in the "networks" she'd joined (the elite Trinity School in Manhattan, as well as Harvard, which she will enter in the fall). After a Slate inquiry--it appears that someone on staff was also a member of the Harvard network--the younger Giuliani withdrew her membership from the Obama supporters' group.

There's been a lot of press gossip, especially in the New York media, over reports that Rudy Giuliani doesn't get along with his kids (in addition to Caroline, he has a 21-year-old son who attends Duke University). That still doesn't mean the whole thing wasn't a joke in the first place--albeit not a very smart one, considering the levels of online political scrutiny these days.

http://alltrueman.livejournal.com/

The latest entry is an explanation of the Plastech news. I drove by Best Buy tonight , saw my friend's car in the parking lot. Was on my way to dinner , didn't have time to stop. Stopped by after dinner and her car was gone. Must have gone home. Haven't talked to her in 3 weeks. Now I'm mad. Dammit.

During the last dem debate, Sen Clinton said she believed in "coercive diplomacy." Isn't that an oxymoron? Isn't that our current tract?

dnd

Coercive Diplomacy - I could be wrong (it has happened before), but I took it to mean along the lines of UN Sanctions, timetables for actions to take place. etc. Not use of force.

Jamie...Sorry it took so long to respond, but we had a neighborhood dust-up somewhat along the lines of those on this list of late...adults behaving badly. Thank you for the info re: the Planet Earth series. Now I want the David Attenborough-narrated series...having learned that Sigourney narration was much more bland than his. Hmmmmm....

Jamie,
I'm just saying the phrase "coercive diplomacy" is an oxymoron. From dictionary.com:

co·erce /koʊˈɜrs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[koh-urs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -erced, -erc·ing.
1. to compel by force, intimidation, or authority, esp. without regard for individual desire or volition: They coerced him into signing the document.
2. to bring about through the use of force or other forms of compulsion; exact: to coerce obedience.
3. to dominate or control, esp. by exploiting fear

di·plo·ma·cy /dɪˈploʊməsi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-ploh-muh-see] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the conduct by government officials of negotiations and other relations between nations.
2. the art or science of conducting such negotiations.
3. skill in managing negotiations, handling people, etc., so that there is little or no ill will; tact: Seating one's dinner guests often calls for considerable diplomacy.

"Coercive diplomacy" sounds like something Cheney would come up with (though the link with this trailmix thread is completely coincidence.)

Coercive Diplomacy

Dear Israel,

I would like to introduce you to Mr. Syria. Now you two will sit here until you figure out how to get along. Meals will be served, but don't take too long ... gruel really doesn't taste that good.

La Opinion, the largest Spanish language newspaper, has come out for Obama:

http://www.laopinion.com/editorial/index_en.html

I just got my second call (real person, not a robo-call) from the local Obama campaign about the Tuesday caucus. I find it curious that I haven't been called by the local Clinton campaign. I hope this isn't an indication that she's ignoring the Rocky Mt. states. That would be a mistake for her.

ps. I'm not going to caucus. I believe in secret ballots. And instant runoff voting...

Jamie,
Since you use to like Bill Richardson, diplomat extraordinnaire, I'm not sure I follow your last line of reasoning about coercive diplomacy. But here's my diplomatic contribution:

I want the Patriots to win so that they have a perfect season. I want the Giants to win because people wrote off Eli Manning for most of the season.

How's that? ;-)

Neener, neener, neener.

Wow, guys! Can't we all just get along? LOL

It's Superbowl weekend ... time to chill. Pass the chips and dip, please!

"Come, you masters of war."

The unexpurgated original version of the ubiquitous "Make Love, Not War" posters seen everywhere in those wild and wacky groovy sixties.

GAKaren...I vote for you!

Make love, not war!

Make ribs, not war!

Make nachos, not war!

To put it succintly:

Obama is seen as an "agent of change." Hillary is seen as the "old guard" by the youngin's and others. Each of these labels is debatable.

IMO, we should just vote for the candidate of our choice and not bash others if they don't agree with your choice. For the most part, (with apologies to those who are not) we are Democrats and we need to stick together to get a Democrat in the WH to clean up Little Lord Pissypants and Darth Vader's huge mess.

I'm sick of watching Dems beat the crap out of each other while the MSM is eating popcorn and watching the show. We shouldn't let them do that to us.

We're democrats, those of us who are......we'll be ok.

LL: How are those ribs coming along? Sounds yummy. LOL

GA Karen...you are my soul-mate! Right on, baby!

La Opinion, the largest Spanish language newspaper, has come out for Obama:

Ya-eeeeee! bueno bueno mi gente! Ya-eeeee!

yo soy Horsedooty!

Karen...
Ribs done. About to take off grill.
Lardass, on the other hand, is well toasted.

See all my food references? I should probably have some dinner. hehe

I feel like I've been cheated out of my rib.

----Hank Williams, Sr.

LL: Toasted is good!

Sturg...you should tune into that dumbass Scarborough sometime. He treats Mika like his rib.

hiya.. i see i showed up just in time for food chat :)

I'm going to get something to eat ... see you guys later!

FWIW, I love all the passion that is displayed here, it's great. The exchange of ideas is always fun when it doesn't get too nasty!!!

LOL doots.. did i detect some speedy gonzales in your tone?

Looks like the MSM pundits were right again, btw.

They said Obama had a "hispanic" problem. (Their words, not mine.)

It's fun when they're wrong, isn't it?

GAKaren...Toasted might not be so good after all. Because I'm toasted, I sort of just blew all my pay-per-view movie options available to me.

I'm thinking of watching my "Cold Mountain" DVD for the upmteenth time instead.

Ribs coming off grill now....

Later folks.

dnd

Sorry, Rooting for the Patriots. :-)

LardassL,
"Make nachos, not war!"

Sigh. If only Richardson had you for his speech writer.

GAKaren,
"It's fun when they're wrong, isn't it?"

Sure is. Isn't that why we watch ;-)

Lardmann........I saw beady-eye from when he jumped into the vacuum left by the departure of don imus and company.......he made a short-lived effort of sorts to lean towards something with which I could live.......soon after, the ice cream turned to scatological debris and he went home again......I was happy to see Mika hit the scene and I hope she figures out her voice and her role........

Gee, sturge......Dad's gonna clobber you.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf36v0epfmI

Leonard.....the other tom waits.......

"I want the Giants to win because people wrote off Eli Manning for most of the season."

Ditto that, dnd....although I don't really care since the Broncos aren't in it.

However --- Suffice it to say that historically, 90% of diplomacy has been coercive.

Ty, yep, I am a big amnesty fan. There are a lot of people here that don't feel that way. I saw a stat in the FT Worth paper today talking about percentages of inmates their country of origin in the Justice System in TX. . 7% of the inmates are from Mexico or further south. That seems to me to be a small fraction of the the criminal element. Of that only 2% have orders to be deported after they are released.

yo soy Horsedooty!

FYI: Obama's on the telly

Closing Arguments: A Presidential Super Dialogue
MTV live 6-7:30m PST

State of the State of the Union Address Report...

http://weeklyradioaddress.com/WRA20080202.htm

Just a comment on Craigs post. I think Patsi's comment up thread , (to paraphrase , if HRC= Cheny, then Obama = Bush) needs to be considered. Because Obama is no George Bush to be manipulated. Obama is highly intellegent and very much engaged in the world around him. It just wouldn't work. He is going to lead, not be lead. Also, I don't think HRC can play the roll of Lyndon Johnson. It was chaffing for Johnson to work in the Kennedy administration and for many of the same reasons, (lack of respect given by the left being one) it would be difficult for HRC too.

He does need to offer the job to HRC because many of his supporters on the left have ripped open a big gaping wound that will not heal without some immediate attention.He has to show some respect.

As a running mate Obama really needs some middle of the road borderstate politician that can deliver his state in the election. Mark Warner for ex.

If Clinton gets the nomination it's a no brainer, offer the job to Obama. To do anything less is a slap in the face of the African -American community. For Obama it is also a no brainer. If he is going to aspire to the presidency he needs to get out of the senate. Too many dangerous votes. As Vice- president he gets to be the good guy all the time and the modern Vicepresidency is perfect for him.

Jack

Patsi,

or as Teddy Roosevelt always said, "Walk softly but carry a big stick"

Jack

Edie Gorme

one of those gender-interchangable lyric songs which strike chords within the hearts of frogs everywhere......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lpzsNRJdzw

sorry, doots.. i got called away... back to amnesty, etc..

I've always been uneasy with the way Reps talk about immigration..legal and otherwise.. a lot of implied and direct racism involved.. but no one bothers to bring that up, they're just focussed on what Bill Clinton said yesterday..or the day before.. or an hour ago... just pisses me off..

Spinal Tarp

---Fred Willard

dont start that again, sturge.. i got into trouble last night quoting Spinal Tap

I've always been un-easy with the way republicans talk about ANY damn thing.......I mean it was Ike who accepted the outcome of dien bien phu in '54......maybe he tried to make up for it with his "military industrial complex" (shades of Krupp) speech, but what the heck, eh? and then Nixon? and Reagan? Bush?
oh.....and then there were those Alan Colmesish 8 years of work ruined only by the blow job and back to republicans lying and leading the country to the way of fire and brimstone.......

Oh......I forgot about Kennedy and Johnson.......the Smith Brothers of american politics......
Vote for Bartles and James

I hear ya, sturge... as Truman said, "if ya wanna live like a republican, ya gotta vote Democrat"... been thinking about this a lot lately..when Dems get into trouble it's always about sex..when Reps get into trouble it's always about power and money.. think I'd rather go for the sex..

Of course......they werent really republicans......

Max.. i beg ya..make it short..

Max----

Some show tendencies towards---Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder

long is easy as long as it's also funny

Max

What a hoot

Chickadee -the truth will set you free

ADD is just what Obama is counting on, that we all have it. Of course not in remembering the Republican record.

If you can't say something in 6 sentences or less..it's not worth saying Max... and for some reason you're under the impression that everything you say is a gem that hasnt been heard before... we've been here a long time.. believe me, it's all been said before..

Max

I guess that means a verb, a noun, and 911

there's nothing new under the sun.

----the preacher

Hey Max.....I like your long posts.......I mean I'm not gonna get carried away with reading you with your long posts more than I read FryDaddy with his.....I read as much as i can and I can get most thru yours, so keep on postiin' bro......you know, but let us out by noon or so for some of that fried chicken........that's what sunday's all about..........

Hey Max.....were I you, I would continue with what works....I enjoy it......

Well, Frydaddy is a Republican (hope you didn't imply I was one) and I haven't voted for a Republican in my life. I sure pray this primary doesn't make me break my record. I come in peace, but that doesn't mean it takes two sentences to break the mindset of true belivers....

Thanks for the nod and I will try to keep them down in size. If I link to other blogs you might dies getting through the threads. I'm used to lengthy debates, not chewing the cud. I mean, does nayone here know the agreement Gore made with Russia that led to our present mess? Seems Gore prefered Russia sell to Iran rather let them export ot OUR clients and man, they were beggin for some cash. One of Bill's poorer moves.

Desert Fox cracked Saddam and Zinni had a pplan to take the North and South to squeeze his balls. DoD just didn't trust arming the Shiites. Long story and see? I spared you....

The clubhouse rejects those who don't adhere to standard policy.

stories make me tend towards dubious querulousness

*L* I think this is the defining characteristic between the Repugs and the Dems as said by tylenol.

"I hear ya, sturge... as Truman said, "if ya wanna live like a republican, ya gotta vote Democrat"... been thinking about this a lot lately..when Dems get into trouble it's always about sex..when Reps get into trouble it's always about power and money.. think I'd rather go for the sex..

Posted by: tylenol Author Profile Page | February 2, 2008 11:04 PM"

tt

Not Iowa

Out beyond right-doing and wrong-doing there's a field......I'll meet ya there.......

----Sufi dude

hey, not a problem....I ramble psychotically for a little bit and then I get up and make sawdust.....it aint so bad.....and it's really warm here.........

70 degrees tomorrow......I hate warm february's

Hey Max.....dont mind me.....I'm just a visitor here as well.......post as ye will.........

sturge..where are u? i cant remember

I watched Ghandi tonight on TCM...hadn't seen it since it was first-run in a theater 25 or so years ago.

Nothing comes easy, does it?

sturgee: ever listen to Chuck E. Weiss? You can hear him via the Pandora genome...that's a great way to hear songs you like by typing in a fave artist...the genome plays similar tunes , then eventually returns you to your preferred artist. Just Google "Pandora".

Keep your fingers crossed...

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE0uIqtrdPXiNMr1qniAIsCAa0fwD8UIG5A80

sturge is here:

http://isleofran.org/clist.htm

tt

THE FAT POLICE ARE COMING
Saturday February 2, 2008
 
A bill recently introduced in Mississippi's state legislature would bar restaurants from serving people determined to be obese.

House Bill 282 aims to require dining establishments with seating capacity of five or more to follow guidelines set by the state's health department to determine a prospective customer's obesity, turning away those considered too fat to serve.

http://theaginghipster.blogspot.com/2008/02/georgia-primary-2-days-out.html

Georgia Primary Update- 2 days out----

This one is shorter than usual. Obama has broken out. Zogby has him up 48-28 in GA with 24 undecided.

Enjoy, cant C-list much today. Wish I could!

-Aging Hipster

New Video called "Yes We Can"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/stars-come-out-for-celeb_n_84596.html

very inspiring.

Super Tuesday Cartoon

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?ID=1703

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/349715_prezed.
html

P-I Endorsement: A time for change
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD

Washington voters begin having their official say on the 2008 presidential election this week with the field substantially narrowed.

In this week's caucuses and the primaries that follow, Democrats are fortunate to have a difficult choice between two capable leaders whose largely similar visions on global warming, health care and the economy offer the best hopes for this country's future. In this history-making race, Sen. Barack Obama is the better choice over his worthy rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, because of the real prospects he offers for change in domestic policy, the tone of government in Washington, D.C., and the conduct of foreign affairs.

I posted this the other day but it spoofs the prescription drug crisis that exist.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eZPZG92iYE4

yo soy Horsedooty!

here is their take on the whole health care situation in the US also.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xNuCfD5bICQ

yo soy Horsedooty!

We may not see GORDO around anymore.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i87LLqllgMp_z7e29V7XF7BJBVQAD8UIIFF00

Maxtrue

"Jamie, no offense meant, but it means little to post the Washington Monthly article'

No offense, but posting a four paragraph answer than no one reads doesn't get any commentary at all.

Sturgeone,

"Hello Dolly" may have been the big hit that everyone knew, but "If He Walked Into My Life" was the best song in Mame.

Still here!

NM Lt. Gov endorses Clinton - Will Richardson follow?

http://www.cibolabeacon.com/articles/2008/01/14/news/news10.txt

Another inspirational video by WILL.i.am.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXKxs8Ge_9g

Many young voters resist politics of baby boom era
Clinton style is seen as outmoded

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/03/many_young_voters_resist_politics_of_baby_boom_era/

Young voters still believe in fairy tales

As another example, consider Obama's stirring tale for the Selma audience about how he had been conceived by his parents, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham, because they had been inspired by the fervor following the "Bloody Sunday" voting rights demonstration that was commemorated March 4. "There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala.," he said, "because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Ala. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Ala."

Obama was born in 1961, and the Selma march occurred four years later, in 1965. The New York Times reported that when the senator was asked about the discrepancy later that day, he clarified: "I meant the whole civil rights movement."
________________________________________

I might be old, but I swear that Obama is ripping off Clinton's speeches...as in BILL, not Hillary. I heard the same " change" speeches back in 1992. After Googling both men's speeches, I find I'm right.

In other words, same shirt, different millenium.

Super Tuesday, I'm writing in Bill Richardson.

Craig? Hope that cast of yours is off and that you're better. Always good to hear you on Imus.

another example of the new politics of Obama

February 1, 2008, 10:58 am
Obama does Harry and Louise, again
The Obama campaign sends out an ugly mailer. Sorry, but this is just destructive — like the Obama plan, the Clinton plan offers subsidies to lower-income families. And BO himself has conceded that he might have to penalize people who don’t buy insurance until they need care. So this is just poisoning the well for health care reform. The politics of hope, indeed.

Republican talking points are the new politics.

Who will do anything to win?

Update: Ezra Klein adds a screenshot of the original Harry and Louise ad — they’ve obviously deliberately copied it. Just to remind everyone, Harry and Louise were the center of the vile smear campaign the insurance lobby waged against health care reform in 1993 — and this time a Democratic candidate is doing the smearing for them.
Ezra also points us to an Urban Institute study that shows that yes, mandates are essential. The key passage:
Voluntary measures would tend to enroll disproportionate numbers of individuals with higher cost health problems, creating high premiums and instability in the insurance pools in which they are enrolled.

Article on celebrity endorsements:

http://www.thestar.com/article/299876

Hilarious Corey, ;0)

I think it was a Canadian paper making fun of us.

Well, If we can't laugh at ourselves...... I won't go there! ;0)

Corey,
"I think it was a Canadian paper making fun of us."

Don't you think we deserve it?

Well , if Hefner is voting for Clinton....Count me in! LOL!

Someone here guessed who would Jackie have endorsed, but Ethel has now chosen sides:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ethel-skakel-kennedy/why-im-supporting-barack_b_84604.html

Hi kathy!

Absolutely wonderful to see Ethal Kennedy Likening Senator Obama to her late Husband Robert Kennedy.

Good morning....since this is my first week on the blog, I do not know if Craig takes Sunday off or starts a new thread today.

I am still sad this morning, I was gathering my Mom's paperwork last night for her accountant...she died last year. But, in my mourning this morning, I remember the first time my parents took me to a poitical event. It was 1959 and both Kennedy and Nixon visited our town in Pennsylvania. This was pre-assassation times -- beofore we would ever know of a Pope-mobile. I have a memory of my Mom, holding my hand and crossing Union Blvd. just as Nixon's (pre Tricky Dick moniker) motorcade (a big old gas hog convertible) drove by. I swear that big Dick head was maybe 10 feet from my face. And it was that taste of the election that got me hooked on Presidential politics. I love you Mom.

Awe Blonde,

Wonderful memory.

I have one. 1968 my dad was a volunteer for Obama. I was used to give a childish stump speech and hand out pamphletss door to door.

Then my dad took me to a kennedy rally at Charger Stadium in San Diego . last but not least, I was allowed to stay up for the Primary Results in Ca and witnessed the assasignation.

All of this impacted my involvement in politics.

Dad is still alive, by the grace of God. AND voting for Ron Paul lol

Woop! My Dad was a volunteer for Bobby Kennedy......talk about slip!

Blond,

That first anniversary is often the hardest, but the wonderful memories help.

Your Dad was a volunteer for Obama in 1968? Did he win that first grade election? LOL!

Who has the biggest Kennedy?

We eagerly await this endorsement.

http://www.deadkennedys.com/

Sheila's gotta stop listening to those subliminal tapes! LOL!

I know there are people here who sincerely support Senator Obama, but the more of the press coverage I see where it is slash and burn on Clinton while angels sing at the sound of Obama's name, the more I fear "movement" politics.

The majority of the coverage seems to have been "give us a ratings bump with a horse race" and little coverage of the candidates actual positions and activities. Too much of what Sentor Obama does comes across as sliding around the truth while putting forth sound and fury signifying nothing.

Ya caught me Corey! Channeling Obama.....hmmmmmm;0)

Sheila

What I love and hate about blogs -- there aren't any spell check, gramar checks....I am glad your Dad is still alive and voting. A dear friend of mine sent me a Nixon/Agnew campaign button recently (he is a Repug and knew I was an Indie who had voted Democratic her whole life). The button is about an inch big...black background with red letters...all lower case (who knew Nixon liked ee cummings??) nixon/agnew. And now my brain fast forwards to the first election I was able to vote in (the age of majority had changed). I was living in Colorado at the time and the rally was in Larimer Square (denver). It was my first brush with the media -- I remembered getting very pissed-off because I kept getting pushed aside so they could hog the front. I remember shouting back that the election was for the people, not the media. Same story today. That's how I ended-up on this blog.

The star of "Ugly Betty" was out campaigning with Chelsea Clinton on Friday . I believe her name is America Ferrera. So , I guess that means America supports Hillary Clinton.

http://www.kget.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=7e38bedc-1e9d-4c6b-a63e-b2a94755513f&rss=91

Good one, Corey...and the polls are tending to back you up.

I was thinking about Dexter and music and jukebox in my head and how the true gift of life is giving us a brain that no one can "read." And when Super, Fat Tuesday comes around we will see how correct the media is in reading that collective American brain.

I first and last vote for republican was Reagan. He spoke a great spin game and I fell for it. But seeing what the first four years did to the poorer people in this country.....what hyjated and elevated the homeless population....well that was the last time I voted republican. I have been known to vote Third Party as well, but since 9/11, I am dedicated to getting the young people to vote like we did as young Americans.

Thanks for expressing yourself. We always find common ground here. So great.

"He spoke a great spin game and I fell for it."

so how do you know that isn't happening again

It would be interesting to know how much of Obama's support voted for Bush and or Reagan.

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Well Jamie, you're not going to keep the sliding around of truth with two sentences here. My comments on JFK despite the "psychotic" characterizations asked simple direct questions which Obama supporters refused even links to answers.

Want to talk about Obama's tough votes and leadership? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?hp

Shelia, personally I wonder if you really did understand the spin game after Reagan. Obama lauds the rhetorical message of Reagan so vetting is the key ingrediant missing in all those voting for rhetoric over substance. My most gracious appeal for you to compare records and not over rate the rhetoric even lifted from the husband of the candidate Obama is running against.

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Blonde wino,
That was you yelling at Bob Palmer? Who knew?