Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I think the true winner tonite was the Democratic Pary...I was proud to be a member and am looking forward to a great campaign and election where we will prevail....Go Hillary!!! BTW, Craig, if Hillary should prevail, do you think the choice for VP should be Obama.?? It would be one way to unite the party....

This debate made very clear that Hillary Clinton is prepared to be president and she is prepared to bring about sucsh needed changes as national health care.

A Clinton-Obama ticket is in the best interests of the American people.

Hillary evidenced a depth of knowledge and a plan of implementation that showed she is ready on DAY 1 to begin to right the wrongs of the past 7 years.

yep, athyrio and Oregon Democrat, i've been on that case for a while: http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/01/party-feud-risks-shotgun-marri.html

nite all, gotta be up for 630am Imus

Great post, Craig. The media show this past month has been pathetic. You are one of the few who have seen through the hype and garbage and called it like it is. Hillary clearly won tonight and the MSM and lefty blogs can't stand it so they have been hyping this dual ticket business. Frankly I think that would not be a good idea for the south. If Hillary gets the nom she should go with someone like Wes Clark to sew up her military/foreign policy end and satisfy the south's good ole boys. Women of all stripes are going to come out for her. The party will unite - Obama has to help or he is toast the next time he wants to run.

Morning C-listers, hope to be in quite a bit this weekend and perhaps some tonight. I have a new update for whats is going on in Georgia if you are interested.

Best wishes to all stripes of C-listers. As for me, I've already voted for Obama and feel better and better about my vote with each passing day. Thats a positive feeling, not a negative one toward anyone else's pick....

http://theaginghipster.blogspot.com/2008/02/georgia-presidential-primary-4-days.html

Hipster

Good morning hipster...just got up and was able to catch Late Night with Craig the second time around. Abrams cracked me up: "John Edwards has become the Ronald Reagan of the Democratic campaign." ROFL!

Craig -- Great Trail Mix RE: the sanity of the debate.

One reason I love Maxine Waters:

From Congresswoman Maxine Waters, a Clinton supporter:

People in my district have a lot of hope. They go to bed hungry, they have trouble heating their homes but they have a lot of hope that things will get better. They don't need more hope, they need help.

One thing about the debate....Barack Obama reminded me why I liked him so much early on, before he started sounding ike a preacher. He was really good and substantive in the debate. We've got two great candidates.

Patsi,

Thanx for checking in at my site this morning. I saw some polls that had Sen. Clinton way out front in TN and Obama up solidly in GA. Maybe we will both be happy Tues night.

I say McCain is the nominee by Wednesday morning.

I'll be happy when basketball season ends! (We won last night 50-18). Only one more game left in the season, Monday night.

Hipster

Bush's Catalogue of Failure

http://www.reason.com/news/show/124710.html

A Libertarian takes on the "new Bush"

-Hipster

Hip -- As a Kansas native I'm still reeling over the upset Kansas State pulled over Kansas! For 24th ranked K State to ruin the #2 KU undefeated record this year is one of those KSU wet dreams....Had to immediately email a couple of KSU alums and yes -- they were GLEEFUL at having taken down the mighty Jayhawks....

RFTW: Business Time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGOohBytKTU

Forget that last link!

RFTW: Business Time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5JMiDMEcU

Well, Ive got too many loyalties to name.....but I will tell you one thing about K State, I wouldnt want to mess with that Beasley kid, he is a hoss.....much like my 6-1 kid who had 16 rebounds and 12 points last night in less than one half.....

ah, basketball.....brings us all together i think!

:-)

Hipster

".much like my 6-1 kid who had 16 rebounds and 12 points last night in less than one half....."

Whoa! What a night!

well, not to hijack the blog...but here's the cool part- I coach Middle School- NOT High School...He's a huge!

Ok, enough of that!

back to politics. How long will it take Morning Joe to tick me off this morning? No long I guess.

Have a great day C-listers!

Hipster

Let's see. Morning Load has shown the Bill Clinton clip three times since the beginning and talked about it constantly insulting Ted Kennedy. EXCUSE ME but the debate was between Hillary Clinton and Obama. How about covering the story rather than demonstrating your personal prejudice.

How much do some Right-wingers hate John McCain? For those with a high tolerance for pain, here is Ann Coulter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTqgqhxVMc

Got that bit about MoJo out of my system and went to read today's column.

Craig, if you ever give up your day/afternoon/night job, you have a nice lazy career ahead of you at the local comedy club ... That was FUNNY. Just what the Democrats need this year: A decathalon of events starring the Camelot Princess and World Campion First Daughter.

Probably be a lot more fun than watching the hysterical bodies bouncing up and down to Obambarama.

The only thing missing from last night's debate: A picnic basket, a blanket, a bottle of wine and maybe some suntan lotion.

This should thrill Hillary.
Ann Coulter: ‘I Will Campaign for Her [Hillary] If It’s McCain’

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/39834.html

yeah, and I love how JS keeps showing the Bill Clinton clip while saying..."BC is trashing TK...he just can't help himself!!"

(oh Lord, he's showing it again)

I heard that show......."one more cow" was CC all the way......I dont recall any collaboration.......

Well at least Bush is trying to go out in a blaze of glory. Warning to Congress: Cut domestic spending, I have a war to pay for.

The Dow is in the tank, people are losing their homes and being layed off, homeland security is a joke, the whole gulf coast is still a mess, national infrastructure is in the toilet, but he doesn't want to spend any money on his fellow Americans. One could almost believe that his is the secret weapon aimed at destroying the country.

I love how the Republicans destroy their own candidates.

Craig, hilarious! And I must admit, last night's yawner made me turn to Nancy Grace to catch the latest on Natalee and Britney.

Glenda, I beg to differ about "women of all stripes" etc. I am one woman who will not support Senator Clinton. She is a hawk, and I cannot in good conscience support anyone who has stood by while thousands of young people have been maimed and killed in the name of corporate greed and lust for power. I'm linking an article of an interview with a former marine, who well may be speaking the truth about the horror of Iraq.

Testimony of a US ex-marine

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19251.htm

Is it too late for impeachment or should we just HOPE he doesn't completely destroy this country.

Max.....it looks as if we are to be left with HOPE for the next year.....impeachment seems to be in the same class with illegal aliens somehow......

JS seems to be "allowing" Mika more time to talk this morning. He must have been hauled into the office and b*tchslapped by the "higher ups" at MSNBC.

Earlier, while he was once again cutting Mika off mid sentence, he reached over, touched her hand and politely said, "sorry to interrupt you"........instead of threatening to backhand her.

I posted a longer version of this last night, but it bares repeating.

Note to Obama:

It is not the drivers license that is going to protects you should you become involved in an automobile accident with a illegal immigrant, it is the insurance policy, something the illegal immigrant may have overlooked and forgot to purchase. So far in my life I have obtained driver licenses in the following states, PA, VA, SC, MD, NC, and not once was I ever asked to show proof of car insurance before I was issued the license.

well fry move to California it is required here

California has computers and when you apply for the DL they check to see if you have insurance.

Of course since you don't want to pay any taxes no wonder SC can't afford to check

in SC you just have to say "Well, of COURSE I have insurance." and youre on your way.......

They do, however, require you to have a confederate flag decal on your forehead.......

Obama's reiterating Warren Buffet's comments that his secretary is paying higher taxes rate than he does. This is what Obama was referring to, "Last June, Buffet said at a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton that he was taxed at only 17.7% last year on his $46 million in income, while his secretary paid 30% of her $60,000."

Makes for a great sound bite but the contexts is a bit skewed. Buffets secretary is paid a salary, whereas much of Buffet's money is generated from capital gains, and capital gains are taxed at a much lower rate. If anyone wants to pay more in taxes there is nothing preventing them from writing the US Treasury a check.

In the States, I have lived in OH, PA, MI and VA. I have never had to show proof of car insurance, in order to obtain a driver's license.

Now, when I have purchased a car, I have had to show proof of insurance.

I know lots of people who have DLs, but do not own cars.

OK, I take back what I said yesterday. This is my all-time fave column.

Obama's snarky comment about Clinton being naive showed him to be the 3rd-grader I have expected him to be all along.

As for the Kennedys, I find it interesting that they are so desparate to keep Camelot alive that they will go outside the family to find a successor.

That endorsement was not about Obama, it was the Kennedys swimming upstream to spawn before everyone who remembers the Kennedy era is gone. They attached themselves to him for a reason and it wasn't because of where he stands on the issues, because he only tells us where he stands without having actually picked a side and voted.

cop pulled me over and asked if I had an I.D.

I said, "About what?"

It's hard to get insurance if you do not have a car.
AAA offers a policy that covers rentals etc.

Sounds like you live in states that need a review of their uninsured drivers laws.

ba-dump-bump

Blue, I thought it was the Wolfster who called HRC naive. What did I miss? Can you give a citation?

Well, if a person does not own a car, why would they need car insurance?

If I do not have insurance, but I am driving my sister's car...then her insurance covers me. She has the car...she carries the insurance.

Same with a rental car...if I do not have car insurance, because I do not own a car, then I have to purchase rental car insurance, before renting the car

Some insurance does cover other drivers but not all.
If you rent frequently, it is cheaper to get the insurance then to buy the coverage each time from the rental company. The driver's only coverage is not expensive.

I've been away for a bit. How many times has boring load shown the Kennedy/Bill Clinton clip?

I,m listening to Jerry Rivers diss the Democrats for having Steven Spielberg in the audience at the debates instead of a real American.

KGC

In Cali, what if a person does not drive, but needs the DL for ID purposes. How do they get their DL?

jerry rivers? you mean Geraldo Rivera?

There is a California ID...it looks like the DL and serves the same purpose no test required just
proof of residency.

and of course they can always used their medical marijuana card ..just kidding.

It is called car insurance for a reason, it is not called drivers insurance. So if one was using their friend's car to take the driving test, his friends car would need to be insured, and you would need to show the DMV offical such proof of insurance. The insurance companiy';s are not in the business of insuring drivers for cars they don't own. CA is like any other state, they are requiring that the vehicle which you are operating be properly insured. This is from the CA DMV seems to address that you only have to show proof that the car which you are taking the drivers test is insured.

Financial Responsibility

You must show that your vehicle is properly insured before the driving test begins (or it will be postponed) by providing one of the following:

* A document with the liability insurance policy or surety bond number.
* An Assigned Risk insurance card with the name of the assigned insurance company, file number, and current coverage dates.
* Current insurance binder or copy of an insurance policy signed or countersigned by an insurance company representative.
* Rental car contract if the driver is listed on the contract as the insured.
* DMV-issued certificate of self-insurance or acknowledgment of cash deposit.
* Written confirmation from the insurer that the person is insured.

To renew your drivers license you use this procedure. No where does it ask for insurance information;

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/online/dlrbi/dl_top2.htm

jerry rivers? you mean Geraldo Rivera?'yup

by the way I am still on board with the Sturgeon ticket
have you thought about a running mate

I think Craig gets the quote of the day. On Imus he said: "The Clintons think if they can make it work, it's right. Obama/Kennedy think that if it is right it'll work."

I'm going from memory, so this may not be exact. But it succinctly articulates the difference between the two camps.

KGC

Re that unreal American Steven Spielberg

He's Jewish. Didn't you know?

According to the Cali DMV website, it is only necessary to show proof of insurance, if the person is taking a DRIVING TEST.

But, just to get a license, insurance is not necessary.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm

Hmmm.......now that you mention it......Im thinking Lewis Black would be a fine choice.......

But if you drive in California you must have insurance

In California the issue is uninsured drivers --
even today we have double the average of uninsured drivers because a lot of people who drive here cannot get a legal license and therefore cannnot buy insurance...

sturgeon -black

it even sounds cool

Craig..... ROFL!
that was the best TM ever!

saw the debate...... thought Hillary was the overall winner.....
but once again..... if Obama is the nominee, I'll proudly vote for him

GO DEMOCRATS!!

Blue..... "Kennedys swimming up stream to spawn"...... LOL!

Lewis Black would be good. So would Ron "Tater Salad" White.

Sturg in '08

Sturg in '08

Posted by: dnd

that's the ticket

"But if you drive in California you must have insurance"
--KGC

Yes, this is true, as it is in probably all states.
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"California has computers and when you apply for the DL they check to see if you have insurance."
--KGC

No, this is not true.

sturg.... Lewis Black.... can I campaign for you....

saw Black for a whole hour on Comedy Central last week on a special called "Red, White, and Screwed"........ he's a genius....

dnd.... Ron White drinks cheap scotch.....
that just won't do for a presidential run....

But all this drivers license stuff is getting away from what Obama said last night:
"From my perspective, I agree with Bill Richardson that there is a public safety concern here and that we're better off, because I don't want a bunch of hit-and-run drivers, because they're worried about being deported and so they don't report an accident. That is a judgment all."

Obama's notion is that if the illegal immigrant only had a drivers license he would stick around for the police to show up to take their report. What proof can he point to to document that statement. Even if the illegal immigrant did stay until the police showed up, how is the other driver protected if the illegal doesn't have insurance. Oh yes you can use your own uninsured motorist, if you have that type of coverage, portion of your policy to cover your loses, but who's insurance premiums are going to rise? Obama's idea is very flawed. With a legal drivers license they are free to travel anywhere and of course they can freely go to the next state and obtain a new drivers license, and with a little creativity on their part, get that new license issued in a somewhat different name, from the one that appears on the drivers license they are turning in.

If you drive, the CAR you are driving must be insured.

Went off to pay all of my first of the month bills. Are they still showing Bill Clinton clip? Do we have to start drinking every time it is now run?

Be back later after y'all have beat this driver's license horse to death. Does the expression "can't see the forest for the trees" ring a bell?

the record in NM where they do issue licenses is much different then what you describer.

New Mexico last year became the latest state to issue driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, and officials say the change has helped contribute to a drop in the state's uninsured rate, which in December of 2002 was 33 percent the highest in the nation and now is 17 percent. Insurance premiums also have dropped in that state and fewer people are fleeing accident scenes, according to Moran of the National Immigration Law Center. Almost 14,000 of the state's estimated 150,000 illegal immigrants have obtained licenses in the past year.

Last night's debate was a snoozer, and I think that was the intent of both candidates. Going into Super Tuesday they didn't want the MSM to write endless articles on how mean spirited one or both were. if after Super Tuesday and Obama is is holding his own and/or is within a few % points, I see the Hillary launching all out war. The Clintons, after all this, are not going to roll over and play nice.

All have a good day. It is raining here but the help still wants to be paid. Remember, GO GIANTS!!!

If you drive, the CAR you are driving must be insured.
--Jamie

yes, I agree
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and, yes(depending on when you left), JS has shown the BC clip several times.

LOL @ the dog does not have to attend the annual Michael Vick Super Bowl party!!!

So Obama is the next JFK? Kennedy was often introduced as John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Are we hearing Barack H****** Obama? If not, then why not? Just asking, please do not get angry.

gee fry I thought you never commented on democrats

I see Mittens is calling McCain Nixon
did you think that was a complement

My take on last night's debate. Obama is a work in progress. Improving by the day. Each debate he is getting better. It reminds me of the movie The Candidate starring Robert Redford. He does not have a clue at the beginning, learns how to become a candidate , then at the end of the movie, Redford's character wins and he is in a room with his staff and he says what do I do now.

Matt-Man For President now has a 527 commercial

We All Deserve More

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q0CA8KqXLY

Ted K decided to back Obama and yesterday how dare Bill say anything bad about him. Give me a break!! What have we become. It's fair game out there. Look at football, they are friends off the field but once the game starts it's a different story. Same thing here.

It looks like today when candidates go after each other that is awful, play nice. I don't mean trash each other. But what's wrong with a little challenge.

Dnd,

here is Brads place of employment for the next few months. At the bottom of the page is a song he has written.

yo soy Horsedooty!

http://www.coffeefool.com/?gclid=CKKXp-6So5ECFUV0OAodzEhsdQ

Lewis Black or Ron White......I've had enough southern guys......I want a new york jewish comedian with an enormous attitude.......of course Carlin would be welcome as a second choice......irish are cool too

I cry that richard pryor is dead.......I'd be HIS vice president........

Vadryl

"But what's wrong with a little challenge. "

Because on the issues there is almost no difference between them on their Iraq votes over the last two years since Obama came to the senate.

His voting record on all other Issues is more liberal than hers at about 92% while hers is closer to 88%

Democrats are having make their decision based on the voter's basic position Far Left or slightly more conservative, Experience of the Candidates, and whose plan for getting out of Iraq most closely matches the voter (though they are almost the same here with slightly different language) plus the candidate's positions on health care coverage.

According to California law, every owner and driver of a car must maintain financial responsibility for accidents. There are four ways to prove your financial responsibility: 1) coverage by an automobile or motor vehicle insurance policy; 2) a deposit of $35,000 with the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV); 3) a surety bond of $35,000 obtained from a company licensed to do business in California; 4) DMV-approved self-insurance.

that was a hell of a movie with Redd Foxx, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Arsenio Hall and Della Reese in it......just made myself think of it.......now i have to go rent it again.......rats.....something else to do.........

my birthday is coming up and I asked for a box of those Yoranvandersloots I keep hearing about on the tee vee.........

Hey Gordo?

Brack Hussein Obama...Barack Hussein Obama...Barack Hussein Obama.

I am proud and not afraid to say his name and the rest of the country, except for bigots, could care less.

Thanks!

I will agree, this was the best debate. It made one glad to be an American that the 2 leading candidates could have a very informative discussion/conversation that was controversy free.
And what can beat that picture at the end of the debate when they laughed and tried to hug each other.
Whoever wins, I am proud of them.

Oh And Gordo,

I am in no way saying you are a bigot. I was just making a point about who would care.

I am not coffee'd up yet. I know you were just pointing out something to think about.

Fry,
Even in By God Texas, you have to show insurance to get a DL and Plates for the car and we have safety inspections once a year also. Pls show proof of insurance so I think it is time to call BS on your post.

you also have to take a written test and PASS and an eye test and if you need glasses you have to go get them and then you are allow to take the driving part of your test. The insurance companies must supply each of their customers with a piece of papers indicating the amount of insurance and when it expires and it is on their company logo paper.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Yes, KGC...that is all true :)

but your statement about having to show proof of insurance to simply obtain a DL....

"California has computers and when you apply for the DL they check to see if you have insurance."

...that is not true
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I don't know about you, but I am ready to let this one go... :)

Sheila.......lenny bruce had a bit where he rattled off a string of offensive epithets in order to render them harmless.......rob them of their offensive meaning.....well, I cant recapture it but it makes sense when lenny does it........

Good Morning All,

We know this was a great debate by the fact that RNC is slamming the two for being so amicable and having substance.

I can't wait. The first wave of "Real" Republican Response has begun.

they just cant tell which one to attack yet.....ha ha.....it's messing up their whole slime bucket......

Craig, your comedic talent gets more and more honed each passing opinion piece! That's a compliment by the way.

Looks like a ticket to me. Ho-hum.

how would you like to be thomas jefferson with aaron burr as your vice president?

brrrrrrr

Sturg,

I think from now on we should just call him Barack Hussein Obama to render it harmless too.

How do you REALLY make something a prejudice statement? Just listen to the Republican Machine. Again, we are am matures, because WE are just nice.

This year may be a "Cry Wolf" moment for the REPS if they resort to sublte prejuce and swift boating again. I think the public is ready for it this time....They seem to be.

This isn't political, but it is important. Would anyone on the list who is experienced in family law, please take a look at the link below. It is not a scam. I know the people involved, and Linda needs advice. Her friends are trying to take care of the money part.

Read the entry "Home" on the link below.

http://www.msmaggiemoo.blogspot.com/

LOL I need more coffee or a brain transplant.

Again, we are am matures, because WE are just nice.

Meant to say; "We are amatures" lol

The Obama campaign has a strategy for dealing with the issue including counter emails..

Their web site lists all the tools. The rightwing effectively uses under the rader internet tools very effectively and there is no reason why a counter campaign cannot be waged.

A box of Yoranvandersloots? Oooooh, sturg...killer present!

Every so often I hear Glenn Beck or Limbaugh left over form leaving my AM radio on from the earlier local talk show.

The venom towards McCain is shocking to me- essentially calling him a triator,, "Juan McCain"- a plot behind reuniting US with Mexico, and the gadawful Michele Malkin was "just outraged" that McCain may be the nominee-

strange when you see how the other side lives.

I also heard that Huckabee may do better on soopertuesday than Romney-

Sheila I too am proud to support Barrack Hussein Obama- who if elected will swear his oath of office on a bible, as he did earlier. ; > )

hd,

Fry's post is consistent with WV law. The car you take your test in has to be insured, but that can be someone else's car and coverage under a pernissive driver (guest driver) clause. All you have to do is show the officer the insurance card for the car, and it doesn't have to be your name on the card. It may be possible to buy insurance without a car here, but I've never known anyone who did.

hi all...just lurking....

McCain wraps it all up Tuesday night.

-Hipster

You know, this is just my simple observation...

It seems to me, that people, who are100% against Barack Hussein Obama, are against him because he is a Black man.

The "100%-anti-Barack Hussein Obama people" don't have the ballz to admit that, so they are attacking his middle name(and all that it implies).

Pogo,

Send little Pogo my way. The end of the season means time to re-load.

Hip

black and muslin

well not curtains
muslim

Oooh..Snap! Craig..you are too much. You precisely bitchslapped the media for wanting blood and not getting it last night.

What a novel idea..talking about the real issues for a change. Of course Billy Clinton did go off course yesterday..attacking Ted Kennedy. Surely that was fodder for the MSM?

While I will not be voting for Barrack Hussein Obama during the primary season, should Barrack Hussein Obama become the nominee, I will be more than happy to cast a vote for Barrack Hussein Obama, a fact that I am sure would please Barrack Hussein Obama if anyone bothered to tell him of my support for the Barrack Hussein Obama campaign.

Is a fifty word sentence enough? :)

Kathy

Would that be a Catholic bible or a Protestant bible?

or maybe one of those new age bibles like the
"New International Version" bible.

I hope it will be the King James version after all if it was good enough for Jesus it is good enough for me.

Sock the puppet

Wise observation Linda.

I wouldn't doubt that their is a portion of society that have a hidden subtle prejudice....Just can't quite get their brains around a black man in the oval.

Does racial prejudice fall along the lines of Party affiliation too? I've alway wondered that. After all, the Log Cabins are tolerated for their vote and that is all.

Dusty

":Surely that was fodder for the MSM?"

Morning Load beat that horse senseless and then stomped it into the ground just to make sure that no one but no one hadn't seen the incredibly vacuous and assinine video clip along with MoJo's self indulgent laugh at his own non existent humor.

Talked to a colleague and fiend this morning about a McCain-Obama match-up and we agreed either guy would be a big improvement over W. She’s a pretty liberal Democrat, she didn’t say much about Clinton, but the more I talk to people in general the better people seem to feel about the remaining folks in the race. There’s a big Clinton supporter here in my immediate area, and she tells me her support is based on Bill. She’s not a very political person, but votes in every election.

Another friend here is an evangelical Indy who mostly goes GOP. She likes Huckabee but seems open minded to most of the field on both sides.

No one EVER mentions Romney---but this is all anecdotal.

I’m trying to do more LISTENING this time out instead of talking….

Uh unless I am C-listing.

Hipster

ahhhh.....Sock Puppet.....

The King james version is NOT Jesus' version.....PALEESE.......

King Henry the 8th is your guy who had that poetic tidbit written.

Whichever version Barack Hussein Obama prefers for swearing in......its still the Bible.

most likely it would be a family bible anyway. Guess what? That would definitely be a King James....

I mean....wow....

Ok, gotta run!

More later, and i will be lurking.

Hip

Fry's post is consistent with WV law. The car you take your test in has to be insured, but that can be someone else's car and coverage under a pernissive driver (guest driver) clause

then I apologize here in Tx it is the driver that is insured (I think)

yo soy Horsedooty!.

Cool Hip!

I will go read your stuff this morning! Georgia is interesting to me. The Navy pulls it right on the shore, but how is the rest of the state looking?

Krugman on the Democratic platform that Edwards built...

We have two candidates we can be proud of, but it's a shame that we ignored the man who created what we all keep saying we want....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/opinion/01krugman.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

All you have to do is show the officer the insurance card for the car, and it doesn't have to be your name on the card.

so by WV logic I could take my driving test with a car I had just stolen as long as the car had an insurance card in the glove box.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Hip- about your comment that your Clinton supporter friend is for HRC because of Bill-

Don't you find that is true for most of the Clinton supporters you know? Virtually everyone I know who is a strong HRC supporter openly says it is because of Bill - they want Bill back at the White House- or consider it a co-presidency-
or, they would like to see a female at the helm.

Many people I know do not support her because she is a hawk. Just as many had to swallow hard for Kerry due to his votes- for the war authorization, NCLB, Patriot Act- I know many who feel the same way about her.

A friend of mine- very active dem, would have been Dodd delegate- says she is seeing shades of 2000 if HRC is the nominee- wanting to hold out for a 3rd party or some other choice.

Hip, like I said - there are differences between the states - some are "auto" states and some are "driver" states. Fry, to his credit, apparently went to the CA DMV site and got those requirements - CA sounds like an "Auto" state.

I wouldn't doubt that their is a portion of society that have a hidden subtle prejudice....Just can't quite get their brains around a black man in the oval.
--Sheila
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or, not so subtle.
I know people who went crazy (with anger)when Ty Willingham was hired as the head coach at Notre Dame, in 2002!! And you know what(I don't know how familiar people are with college football), TW was held to a much higher standard, as a Black coach, than any other ND coach ever was or will be!!

but now, all those people can hide behind BHO Muslim background.

:(

HRC is the nominee- wanting to hold out for a 3rd party or some other choice.

and how did that work out in 2000

Sheila---We all know why his full name is not being used. Silly? Of course, to us. My concern is what would happen in the general. The Repubs will use whatever they can against Barack. Little things like this can make a difference.

hd, yep, but you can't drive the car over there yourself - you have to have someone who is a licensed driver with you when you show up - like your accomplice. Oh, and that last post was to you, not Hip.

Sheila

"King Henry the 8th is your guy who had that poetic tidbit written."

errrr It's called the King James because? :)

I agree that anyone who actually cares what Obama's middle name is probably won't vote for him because of race anyway. Besides, the way things are going in Iraq since we illegally invaded and executed its former strongman dictator, the better the name Hussein sounds.

Pogo,

sounds like LP might have his college paid for if he keeps growing. I have a friend whose son was 5'10" and very red headed. He loves basketball. One morning he told his mother that he thought she dropped the ball when marrying his father. She said she was very surprised but as why. He said he had no chance of being 6'10" and black.

give my best "Atta boy" to little PG

yo soy Horsedooty!

KCR-

"How did that work out in 2000"

That is my point.

And in 1968 when people stayed home or voted for a third party we ended up with Nixon

and when Ted Kennedy turned is back on Carter we got 12 years of republicans.

so nice dog in the manger attitude. Very gop
if it's not my way it's the low road

Gordo,

Understand you. MY point is that I think it may be party directed, since both party's are so ideolocicaly 90 degrees and the NEO NAZI's and or exetremists tend toward KKK leanings.

I really think the name Hussein has been diluted in the last 8 years. The majority, whether DEM or REP think its a moot point.

George Stephanoupolis just bet that if Hillary Clinton were the nominee then her VP choice would be Barrack Obama.

Just as an aside, my reasons for backing Hillary Clinton have absolutely nothing to do with Bill other than getting aquainted with her record because of his stint in the White House. I actually admire her more.

I don't get the point then

here's what I see

if I don't win I am taking my marbles and going home

So I lied! It still wasn't written by Jesus and it still WAS written in the middle ages.

LOL Keep me in the line of accuracy Jamie!

Right, jamie, that would have been King James I, the version the US uses was printed in 1611. (Leave it to an atheist to clear this Bible stuff up).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

KRG-
My friend was expressing a concern about this- and this is a sentiment by the people who were more progressive. There is still a LOT of negativity surrounding the anti choice anti Obama mailer sent out at the last minute - as well as a letter repeating same signed on by a long list of elected and activist NH female dems.

I would clearly vote for HRC- and most of the activists I know are headed to MA this weekend to canvass-

Well I want to be clear that I didn’t mean that as any slight towards Sen Clinton, I meant it purely as “I talked to my friend and she said…..”

Most of the people I have talked to are not Clinton supporters. Im just hearing very upbeat things from people about lots of different mixes of candidates at work.

-Hip

and oh yes, Henry VIII died 64 years before the KJV was printed.

laughing @ the mistake and my come uppence!

btw, craig, this may be one of your best posts ever. I think your tongue will have to be surgically removed from your cheek!!

I thought one of the most interesting things about Brokaw's book about the sixties was the regret of some for sitting out the election.

Kathy,

I understood you about the Co-Presidency preference factor.

I have heard it over and over again and again. I have heard it mostly in men.....here in Michigan, most of the canvasing produced the men's preference toward Bill Clinton.

But then, Obama is popular here. even though the screwed up voting occured.

Sheila---Hope you are correct. I worry about the swing vote. Does not take much in a close election.

One thing Ithink you need to consider, Gordo, is that BOTH our possible candidates have real or imagined baggage that will be used. Hillary has the whole perception of being a ball busting bitch on the one hand and too weak to lead on the other. Not to mention all the bull about Bill back in the White House.

And there's so much crap bubbling around in some fundamentalist churches here in Nashville about Obama that it makes me sick. I got into a huge flap with a guy at my gas station who thinks Obama is somehow in league with rogue elements in Kenya and we'll have millions of them flooding our shores. The guy heard it at his church. God All Mighty. I don't think I am welcome at that station any more.

But we Democrats cannot pick a candidate based on what right wingers will throw at them. Then we really do become the party of fear.

John McCain (D)

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/democrats-say-mccain-nearly-abandoned-gop-2007-03-28.html

Hip

Gordo,

I am too much of an optimist some times. They guys can attest to my "Koombiya", but I really do think the majority of the population have already concluded that its just not important.

OR the Freaken MSM would have had a story with legs last year when they tried to senastionalize it.

Pogo

Yes I knew all that, just tweaking Sheila a bit. In the process of patriotically serving her nation for many many years and then becoming a master chef who is keeping wealthy Democrats well fed so that they can go on donating money, her history education had to take a back seat along with that spelling stufff. :-)

Now Henry did make everyone Protestants which led to a lovely read known as the Book of Common Prayer written in 1549 under Lizzie the Oneth

Patsi,

A lot of churches, IMO, have been completely taken over by these political hacks. I get those weird e-mails all the time.

-Hip

As she bows low with humble "By You Leave Master".....are you guys finished? LOLOL

Hip- there is so much nonsense out there - really negative stuff on everyone-
and people believe it!
A guy on my local radio asked on air if it was true that Obama would insist upon the Koran if sworn in "about ten people have told me that" he said.

Chef Stone,

I have been thinking of this for a while. I cook bacon in a skillet. A Cast Iron Skillet. What is to keep me from using Canola Oil and bringing it to a low boil (so as to not have the oil jump out of the skillet and then put all the bacon in at one time and cover with a splash screen and then just watch it and keep the bacon covered by turning it it over and over with Tongs? I know run on sentence. My bacon seems to have the ends not as well cooked as I would like. I think this is not new to me but I think I saw this technique done on an outdoor camp fire with a wok. What would the CIA say?

yo soy Horsedooty!

Hip and Patsi,

Thats a chilling thought. I wonder how many of them will not vote this year if McCain gets in? I wonder it they will lie to themselves to make him ideologicaly more on the same plain?

I think if someone wants to believe something they will….You know like Bush was in on 9-11 or Kerry shot himself in Vietnam, etc….so they take that and just run with it. These people want to have a reason to keep voting the same way so they just take anything as truth…

“gullible’s travels”

Hipster

Horse,

A lot of people use skimming of oil in the skillet to even out the heat on the surface of the pan. Doesn't add anymore fat and cholsterol to our favorite piece of pig, so go for it.

I do it in anything that is not non-stick

MSNBC is at it again. they are playing the drivers' license question by Obama and stopping HRC's response at, ... it's a difficult issue . . ." cleverly omitting the fact that she reminded Obama that he had a similar problem too."

It was a great debate with both candidates doing well. They won some, they lost some. They reinforced their base support and maybe picked off a couple of supporters from each other. Is it too much to ask for to ask this channel to be responsible? I am beginning to think they are worse than FOX.

Hi Craig,
You are exactly right about the media not gettng their money's worth last night. I have been watching the news this morning and it is boring. haha
Really, it was a great debate, I can see Obama as VP. Boy would that be a "dream" team.
Have you seen the Obama Girl video? Tacky!
Go Hillary!!!! You go girl!!!

thanks Sheila,

I don't use non-stick for anything. Seems to me that this would be the perfect way to cook the bacon. so that it all turned out brown and not some black and some pretty well cooked with the ends undercooked.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Sheila---I still believe this could be a set-up by corporate media to get Obama nominated. Once he has secured the nomination, MSM will turn on him in favor of the Repub.

I didn't believe a minute of all the kissie face and chair pulling out. It was another media show. Hillary had that smirk on her face for the entire time and showed herself to be the big phony that she is. Barack, I have to give him a lot of credit for taking on the dirty trick mean machine that is owned by the Clintons. I hope he whips her as_____ this coming Tuesday so we can rid of her and her sort of husband forever.....

I have a friend I absolutely adore that, unfortunately, listens to Neil Boortz every morning here in GA. (Boortz is the main reason people are so friggin' stupid in GA, IMO) She floated an interesting RW talking point that obviously came from Boortz.

With apologies to Craig and his Ted Kennedy Repub ads, Boortz has asked the question, "If you vote for Obama do you want to see Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson in the White House?"

I shot that one down pretty quickly but my friend and I haven't spoken about politics since. LOL

Craig, loved the thread this morning. I am constantly amazed that our wonderful pundits cannot stand when we have a debate that is intelligent and informative. Speaks to a larger problem with the state of political coverage these days, if there isn't entertainment value attached to politics they don't want to hear about it. That is how we end up with a disaster like Bush in the White House. The pundits have a short attention span which has rubbed off on the American people. It seems that if there isn't some "sexy" political controversey Americans will yawn and just go back to watching American Idol.

Gordo,

Patsi and I are in agreement on this. How can the RNC and friends attack both candidates? HA! Let me count the ways.

Whether or not you think Bill's extra-curicular goings on in the Oval is high on your slam list or not. Its still high on the Hard Right's and Hillary is included. A Quote un quote Co-Presidency is the one thing that is going to be used over and over again.

So, between Hussein and Monica, we have a visual of this next cycle of swiftboating....oh AND Rezko will be used for both.

Skylark, thank you for your thought provoking comments ... you've really added to the level of discussion here this morning.

"Thats a chilling thought. I wonder how many of them will not vote this year if McCain gets in? I wonder it they will lie to themselves to make him ideologicaly more on the same plain?"

Let's hope they do stay home, Sheila! Ha!

One of the people who regularly sends my sister anti-Obama (as well as some anti-Clinton) emails is a MISSIONARY working a year in Africa. My sis emails me and wants to know where to go to debunk the whole thing, then she sends it back to everyone on this woman's list.

oh AND Rezko will be used for both.
even the losers at msgobama know this is his problem not Clinton's but nice try

Bacon- wire rack on a cookie sheet in the oven, 400 degrees check and turn every 5-8 minutes

GAKaren

Boortz is a fool. that guy has property up here in the hills where I am.

Hip

just for fun...in honor of the vets visiting Billo on Faux (FOX) news....a ittle Repug perspective...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9D0DE1D81F38F93AA1575AC0A965948260

It is time to bring out the heavy wattage

The real reason I coined the late night shift "Crawford After Dark."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/01/welcome-to-the-bickersons.html#comment-24540

4. Nice jazz playing in the background
3. Stunningly beautiful women
2. Very hip cats

And the number one reason its called Crawford After Dark.....

1. Our host, Craig Crawford, lounging around in his silk pajamas......

kate I really appreciate your Belief and loyalty.

However, since when did the RNC stop being an equal Opportunity Slammer?

There are two pictures of the CLintons with Rezko. No matter how innocent it is, there are still pictures and people who will believe.

A lot of fodder and imaginative storylines for both candidates.

Do you think Abramhofs piz with Bush Damned him? Do you know for sure? I rest my case.

I think we do know and including the Clintons in the rezko things is dishonest. You are the one always talking about how we should try to be fair and reasonable. In all subsequent coverage of the returning of the money etc, Senator Clinton was never mentioned.

According to Fox News, that Rezko/Clinton photo was taken at a Carol Moseley Braun fundraiser.

The Rezko photo was taken at a Sen. Carol Mosley Braun fundraiser in 1997 in Chicago. Rezko was one among many Braun contributors who stood in line and posed for pictures with the President and First Lady.
Rezko donated 1000 to Mosley Braun not the Clintons.

gee a Chicago fundraiser. I wonder who gave the picture to NBC ...

katie,

I am sincerely not trying to slam Senator Clinton. I am trying to point out what might be.

Rovian swiftboating is not dead. If you look back, they used every tool they could to take down Dukakis, Clinton, and Kerry. Two out of three ain't bad.

I'm just using my imagination to see what could be. Isn't this the way of this blog?

Not just intense loyaty for your candidate. Also talking politics and possibilities.

out of here for now

hip

I visit Crawford After Dark for the early shift piano bar and then leave it to the musicians to jam amongst themselves after closing time.

Should you find yourself wandering the hall in the middle of the night, they will usually allow you to sit in for a rif or ten.

Sheila

then don't help them along by misrepresenting the facts

Kathrine,
I have as much right to express myself on this blog as you.

Please don't bite my heels unless you find that I have been rude or unruley.

I am discussing possibilities that is all and I AM ALLOWED to discuss this in a civil manner.

So in that point Kate,

Since WHEN does the RNC care about misrepresenting the truth?

I don't think Rezko would get good legs. Contributors to any campaign can be dissected and found wanting. Same with business pals. The swiftboating -- or as I prefer to call it swiftboarding -- of either candidate will be more base than that.

Sheila---As I have posted many times: Hillary (and Bill) is battle-tested, Barack is not.

"Rovian swiftboating is not dead."

EXACTLY!..... that's why I think all this Obama vs Clinton stuff is mucho stupidio.....

Super Tuesday is almost upon us...... I know it won't give enough delegates to name a nominee...... but I think the front runner will emerge..... on both sides...

I want to defeat the Republicans...... I want enough Democrats to be elected on November 4th, 2008 to blast the Republican back to the stone age.... (they're already half way there, IMO)....

here's what I'm concentrating on........ Democrats vs Republicans....

and after seeing both party's debate back to back..... I know it's obvious to me why I'm voting all Democratic in the general election.....

GO DEMOCRATS!

Oh Well,

UNCLE. it is not the time to talk political and tactical possibilities yet.

I give and I am finished looking at this. My hands are up in submission....

Senate votes can also be baggage

For one thing I am an opponent of ethenol. I think it is a failed policy and has resulted in higher food prices.

Obama voted for ethenol and Clinton opposed the mandate. (Schumer sponsored legislation.

I wonder who was thinking about Iowa and who was not.

2005 Enegery Bill

"Clinton voted against the energy bill itself because it was stuffed with oil industry incentives. But Obama supported the legislation because it included language that would double ethanol demand by 2012."

Schumer sponsored legislation.
the opposition to the ethenol mandate was led by Schumer to be clear

It was a good debate, IMHO.

Jamie, here's my prediction, finally.

Clinton v McCain

Clinton wins by a cigar.

tt

After seeing their ability to put personal differences to rest for a while, I still think Clinton would make a great president, but having a VP who could be a great president in training would be wonderful.

Let's see the Republicans try to take on that team. They would be lucky to have a party left after the smackdown and wouldn't see the inside of 1600 except by courteous invitation of the President before 2050

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200802010905DOWJONESDJONLINE000517_FORTUNE5.htm

record profit Exxon 11.66 billion
The headline says profit, but they mean income of 40.6 billion

Jamie,

AND I am looking at that in the same way, but Obama/Clinton. ;0)

Moveon.org endorsing Obama

That would make the Republican crossovers vote for Clinton

There's really no reason to continually slam the candidate anyone isn't voting for. Gordo, you will change NO opinions. Not one person will vote for Hillary because of your continuing to bring up Repub talking points against Barack Obama. Same with snarky comments about Hillary. It won't change anyone's vote, so it is pointless.

It reminds me of a college class I took on the Reformation. I was in it with a little crowd of athiests and three nuns. Sweet Jesus!

laughing @ Patsi!

http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/09/mccain_calls_for_moveonorg_to.html

The reason the employment rate went down despite the 17000 job short fall (most in manufacturing) is because so many have fallen off the unemployment rolls and a lot of college grads can't find jobs in their chosen fields. Those people aren't counted.

Service jobs went up. Save the American economy: Eat at Burger King.

Brain in NYC

Does that mean your are voting Republlican if Hillary gets the nomination...or will you just not vote?

And what do you think Bloomberg will do after Feb. 5th since you live in NYC, I do value your opinion.

Bush's budget...

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/In_final_aim_at_fiscal_responsibility_0201.html

Bush looks like he is sick of being President.

Bill behavior in SC

It's already been demonstrated his remarks were lifted and distorted.

Bubba, both sides have honed their knives - you just think that when Barack takes a swipe it's a great parry, but when Hillary does it, it's a dirty stab. And if you think the repugs aren't going to lay into Barack if he's in the WH, think again. Think nicey, nicey will get legislation that the repugs don't want to go through congress? Working across the aisle,perhaps? I don't know,but Id on't see Obama as having the heft to gett the things that LBJ and Reagan done like they did.

Well, our system is going down for awhile - later.

Watch out Gordo,

Emoticons are on high this morning. ;0) I thought our imagination brain drain was fun. Thanks!

Kendrick Meek interview on Bill Clinton SC
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/01/28/intv.clinton.out.of.context.cnn

The surge seems to be working:

Moveon, The Nation, SEIU, TWU, all annouce their endorsement for Obama.

Maybe Hastert will suggest TWU be thrown out of America.:)

Brain in NYC

Maybe you missed my question....

Does that mean your are voting Republlican if Hillary gets the nomination...or will you just not vote?

And what do you think Bloomberg will do after Feb. 5th since you live in NYC, I do value your opinion.

I must have missed the cannonization of David Axelrod and Joe Trippi

I am talking about the events in SC

You may have Clinton fatigue but not the rest of America. Despite all he is still the most popular pol in the Country despite attempts tmake false claims of racism.

Kate,

Don't forget Mark Penn. ;0)

Still haven't answered my question...

End-of Presidency Job Approval Ratings
Bill Clinton (2001) 65%
Ronald Reagan (1989) 64
Dwight Eisenhower (1961) 59
John F. Kennedy (1963) 63
George Bush (1993) 56
Gerald Ford (1977) 53
Lyndon Johnson (1969) 49
Jimmy Carter (1981) 34
Richard Nixon (1974) 24

Yeah, I don't think anyone thinks Obama's middle name means squat one way or the other, either.

What does make a difference: He's NOT running to be the prez of Toastmasters & people seem to forget there is more to the job than public speaking ability.

Again the same problem. If your mother saw only the media coverage and not the facts...

I don't see how the Clinton's are responsible for an out of control media that does not factually report events.

Knowing what themedia is capable of the public should take what they say with a grain of salt and try to fact check on their own.

I rather doubt you did anything to correct the record.

Doots,
I've got an alternate approach to bacon I learned in my restaurant years. Cook it in the oven. Put a cooling rack in a sheet tray. Put the bacon on top. Toss it in the oven. Works perfectly every time.

Shelia, please way in if you've got an opinion on this method.

Both Clinton's are on the Gallup poll of most admired Americans for 2007
She heads the list for women
and he is second on the mens list

Absolutely not Dnd,

It does work every time. However, these is a taste difference and mouth feel difference. The oven way takes a lot of the bad fat away, but then some find it less tastey and too crisp or dry.

The cast iron actually flavors more, because you don't wash the extra oils out of the metal. Some people don't detect it, but the oldies know what I am talking about.

So, I like both ways, because I can't have that part of the pig anymore!!! lol

I still want to know what he thinks Bloomberg might do.

Blonde-
According to Newsday, Bloomberg says he won't run ,in a little stronger language than previuosly.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nymike0201,0,7211353.story

How do you get rid of that bacon smell? Maybe the oven is the answer.

Clinton232
Obama158

current delegate count according to CNN

Blonde,

Even the oven is not the answer. here are some good alternatives.

A strong smelling cleaning solvent on counters directly after cooking sucks up a lot of smell.

Very simply a strong smelling candle. Acts in the same way. Sucks the smell up, while making it smell good.

I use pumkin and orange smells. Yummy!

I had a chuckle over this headline

"Ann Coulter Says She Would Back Hillary Over McCain "
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003705454

I doubt that HRC is courting Coulters endorsement.

Jack

Excellent post this morning Craig. I love tongue in cheek writing and puns. You pulled this one off perfectly.

Wolf Blitzer , and other moderators, should be banned from putting words in the candidates' mouths. I was glad to hear the audience boo him last night over his naive statement. I'd like to see the MSM bash the moderators when they are obviously trying to make points at the expense of the candidates for their own political agendas. Tim Russert and his UFO question was intended to embarrass the candidates not enlighten the audience.

A modest proposal: All debates should be carried on C-Span or Public Television to get rid of the corporate moderators and commercials, many of which are corporate sponsors of the candidates. Then, maybe, we would get better debates more along the lines of last night's civilized conversation.

If you haven't seen it yet, check out the Dr. Strangelove John McCain video. Well done.

Have a question guys,

Off topic of course,

I am filling in holes and evening out my bathroom walls with a compound. While I know what I am doing, what to I call it?

Spackling, grouting, puttying, patching? What?

I am a big fan of moveon and as you know thought what they did was the right thing.

I did post the youtube of John McCain suggesting they be deported. I think it is very helpful to obama in the primary not so much in the general.

Sheila

I do not eat meat, but my hubby likes BLT's. Even with candles and ODOBAN, I still smell the bacon.

I bet a BLT sounds good to you all right now! I am in the Mountain time zone and it is still too early for lunch.

Blonde - Something healthier to breathe in than cleaning solvent or candles...chai.

Boil gingerbread/spice tea & turn on the fan over the stove...it actually doesn't mix with other aromas, it completely subdues them...and it humidfies, too.

http://bravenewfilms.org/

mccain stangelove

sheila - Fixing.

I love how this blog can morph into almost anything at a moment's notice.

http://www.youbama.com/popular/

Blonde,

I'm sorry for you. I know it must be horrible, because when you aren't a meat eater, even the body smells of meat eaters not so appetising right? Maybe not so much if you eat fish... Let me know, interesting. I know for vegans, very much.

Well then....Candle, Strong cleaning solvent, a Nose Mitten, and time. ;0)

AND YES, since I can't eat this anymore, it sounds delish!

Common Blue lol

Its called something!

Obama may have Oprah's star-power behind him, but Clinton has Ugly Betty stumping for her. If celeb backing holds sway with anyone, I think that means Obama getting the youth vote is not a given.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_hispanics

Thanks blue,
I will try the tea. I do have a vent fan that vents to the outside (doesn't blow back in the kitchen) and I used a ginger candle. You are right about the candles not being healthy if they have metal in the wicks. ODOBAN is supposed to be all natural....but there is a warning on the label.

Blonde wino--- About Swift Boat plans: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/005103.php

Nose mitten?? : )

sheila - Mudding sounds like jargon someone would use if they were in the wall-hole-filling industry.
Making the bathroom walls un-hole-y?

More on Coulter.
Crime fiction writer JD Rhodes, (of course called Dusty by his friends)

Has a great post on his blog
http://jdrhoades.blogspot.com/

titled
"One reason to love John McCain"
"He makes the wingnut compleatly batshit crazy with rage"

a reply he made on his comments page is priceless

"Two issues that are absolutely vital to the Far Right: Immigration and torture. They don't like the first, and they ADORE the second. McCain won't toe the line on either and that sends the wannabe tough guys that like to fondle themselves while fantasizing about Jack Bauer cutting the fingers off illegal immigrants into mouth-foaming rage"

His books are a good read btw He calls it redneck noir. For folks like me raised in the redneck culture there have been many times I say "I know those crazy f**kers"

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/02/businesslike-debate-bores-medi.html#comment-24839

250 million, more than double the amount spent by the largest independent liberal groups in the 2004 election.

wow, I guess it's not hard to see the value of a vote.

Don't be suprised if people start selling "their vote" or even blocks of votes on Ebay.

Maybe someone has already done this?

KC, I assume that delegate count includes superdelegates?

yes

whskyjack---Here is the Ann Coulter video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTqgqhxVMc

OK, couldn't let sheila's question go - depends on what you're using and how extensive the filling. Most tradesmen will call what they are doing when it's that kind of work by the name of the compund they're using(spckle, mud, plaster) although I hear them call all that stuff patching, mudding and caulking (although caulking is decidedly redneck).

Gordo, that swiftboat crowd you linked to is more after Hillary than anybody. They already have t-shirts for sale that say C.U.N.T.

I personally hope the bastards get people wearing them if HRC is the candidate. A lot of Republican women would be FURIOUS.

Shiela

different products have different names.

For filling small holes use spackling. It shrinks less You then sand it and paint.

Jack

OOPS

Sorry Shiela
bad reading comprehension.

filling small holes would be spackling , larger holes would be patching
The whole side of a wall would be plastering, maybe(?).

Grouting is what you do to tile,

Jack
Who needs to get of the computer and do a little mudding and tapeing

Thanks so much Jack and pogo.

I'm afraid I like to know what I'm talking about. Not just talking about it. So, since i've got a container for "Patching Compound" smooth, it should be called patching and not spackling or grouting or that suff.

What is the bumpy looking wall then? I always thought THAT was spackling....

And Blue, if not here, to look silly among friends, then where else?

Sheila,
wrt to mudding and spackel and grout and the like. Depends on what you are doing. I like spackel for small holes say where hangers for photographs were nailed into the walls then removed and it drys very quickly and grout is generally the lines between the tiles. Mud or bedding is generally used with sheetrock or dry wall and tape.

yo soy Horsedooty!

laughs @ horsey!

patching compound applied with a textured roller could be called Texture is the bumppy stuff. A lot of pros will shoot the texture on with a spray rig. not a good idea unless you have removed all the furniture and carpet in that room. There is a texture you see here in Tx called Acoustical Ceiling texture. Back when I was building my darkroom I bought mud in 25 pound plastic tubs and used a trowell to apply it to the walls sp the walls have a texture like adobe. Takes a while but worth it in my opinion. Then I painted the rooms with a product called Kilz. Then latex paint.

yo soy Horsedooty!

I guess I'm not doing this right then. I have walls that were covered with wallpaper. When I took the wall paper off, they were all covered in nail wholes, uneven places and that stuff.

So I have taken this stuff and smoothed everything up before painting. I guess I had better wait a couple of hours before painting, just to see how it will set up.

THanks guys. Very interesting. So I should go get some spackling if this stuff doesn't set up and shrinks... thanks. Better then not knowing.

just to beat this horse a little longer

"filling small holes would be spackling "

I may be wrong but I think Spackle is a Brand name.

yo soy Horsedooty!

how long have you had it one the walls Sheila? You need it to be dry and the larger the area the longer it takes to dry. If it pretty big and you had to use a lot of mud I would wait at a minimum of 24 hrs then I would see if I needed to sand it around the edges so the patch becomes unseen when you paint it..

yo soy Horsedooty!

Experts who are not supporting any candidate, but are health care experts, were included in the Clinton camp call, all of whom charged that Obama's mailer could cause permanent damage to universation health care efforts.

"The mailer is wrong and misleading." - Peter Harbage, former Edwards health care adviser
I don't remember when I was on a media call with uncommitted experts denouncing the tactics of a Democratic candidate so strongly. But that was the case today, in a conversation that had Barack Obama being called "disingenuous," and the health care mailer he's currently sending out across the country roundly denounced.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ ta...en_b_84484.html

Thanks Horse,

Gives me a reason to sit down and politic again. lol

I have all of it on my three bathrooms. I have a painting weekend about to begin. but I'll wait 24 hours. Some the areas are big.

Dog,

LOLOL You Tease!

Dog!
Thanks a lot...I just spit coffee on my screen.!!
`G

first sentence should read

"How long has it been on the walls? Consider that during new construction the guys that do taping and bedding will do the room in about 4 days. first the tape is put on the spots where the dry wall meets with mud and where the nail or screws are in the walls will get mud only. Then the next day , they return and apply more mud with a bigger trawell and leave only to return the next day to apply more mud. The final day the crew will return with sandpaper and goggles and masks to sand the mud very sooth and they feather the edges of the line. The room is then cleaned and it is ready for the texture guy to come in and spray his magic. Then the next day painters come in. 6 day project. They will do all the walls at the same time with a crew of maybe 4, Sometimes the first thing they do is hang the Sheet Rock then start taping and bedding. Long day the first day.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Geez........LOL Horsey! I'm just painting. Wow, that is complicated and kind of an art.

I started last night while I was waiting for the house to heat up. Today was another coat to smooth out the lumpys.

So now I'll wait until tomorrow. Good thing you said something, I thought I could paint tonight. ;0)

so sorry I forgot only Obama people have the right to
post and then repost if they don't think it got enought attention

see ya

dog....
it's raining ice here in NH.....

and the reason I've decided to go back to weaving housewares is because when the economy gets bumpy people tend to spend any access money on their homes instead of vacations and other extras.....

seriously...... when the economy is in a downturn, I can sell as much of my housewares as when it's hummin' along.....

it is an art

keep the rooms as warm as possible (that you can stand) look at the holes and decide if you need to smooth any out and just rough them up if you need to before you paint. sorry I got carried away.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Hi Renee,

We have six inches since it started after 12 last night. Its supposed to taper off by 7pm.

Snow that is.

Horse,

I really appreciate your commentary. I'm always curious and I actually thought it was very interesting.

Thanks!

Karl Rove to join Fox News Channel…

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Sheila, I'd say call what you're doing skimcoating. If you're doing it with Drywall mud, 2 or 3 very thin coats is a whole lot less messy than one or two thick ones - wet sand between coats to keep the dust down then lightly dry sand the last coat. If you're not using drywall mud, ignore this and follow the directions on the can.

HD, I think there is a brand called Spackle, but Dap sells spackling compound, as does Elmer's so it is also a generic product name.

Comedians as Vice President? I'd appoint Ron White as my attorney General. Then he could do that "I forgot" bit. You know , how you forget sometimes? I'd have Frank Caliendo (impressionist) as my VP because he can just go into his John Madden , George Bush , Charles Barkley or Bill Walton impressions at any time and make the country laugh. This is who I'd have play at my inaguration ball:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drhFLc3Jm48

Watch for the guy with the briefcase!

Patching compound is a cross between drywall mud and plaster - typically dries quicker than drywall mud and need sless sanding. Call it skimcoating.

Well! I've NEVER been so insulted! Bacon fried in cast iron tastes different than bacon cooked in the oven, but it's probably due to the chemical reaction with the nitrites in the bacon.

During my restaurant days, we cooked bacon in the oven because we could cook a bunch easily. I prefer it because it's less greasy.

And Doots, I don't understand. You say you don't cook in non-stick, but cast iron is the original non-stick. Mine makes Teflon pans look like 60 grit sandpaper.

Shelia,
Are you talking about joint compound? This whole thread has got me confused.

But I agree with Doots. Kilz is great primer.

dog,
Thanks a lot. I'm cleaning coffee off my keyboard. LOL.

I'm a little slow catching up, but as I use to say: work is the curse of the blogging class.

Dnd silly!

I like both ways and horsey is going to try your way because its better for you.

So you did a good thing. lol ;0)

Hi Sheila...... :)
it's predicted to rain ice here until midnight..... Rick's is flying home tonight and his plane is "suppose" to land in Manchester about 11pm...... something tells me it's gonna be a looooong night for me tonight.....

dnd.... my favorite pan is a Griswold cast iron I bought years ago in a second hand store..... I've had friends ask if I'd like to sell it...... my response.... "not on your life".....

dnd....in the army when I had KP (Kitchen Police) we made bacon thusly:

Take huge flat oven pans and lay in the strips.

Put them in a special oven made with tightly spaced pan racks.

The oven was on very low..we' d put the bacon in at 4:00 AM for the 7:00 breakfast rush...the prep cooks had already stuck several pans in for the 5:30 AM rush...so that bacon was in there for hours.....only complaint I had was the temp was too low...and the bacon was never crispy, like I like it.

dnd

Love cast iron and thats all I fry in. That said It is tempermental and must be treated with love
Don't touch the one I use for eggs.

I had to get rid of a girl friend who insisted on washing my skillets after every use. It was either her or my skillet. It took a while to convince my wife that greasey did not = dirty.
Now I just keep her out of the kitchen.

Jack

Jack,
The best reason to cook bacon in a cast iron pan is when you cook eggs in it after you've fried the bacon makes the eggs taste like God intended. Works for cornbread too.

And why do people insist on washing cast iron pans? I've never understood that.

*Comes*

LOLOL Me too! LOLOL

OR Fruedian Slip! LOL

Gotta go Save a stranded friend in a car.

Later

The Clisters here may not agree, but I cook bacon on the George Foreman Grill. Crispy every time and the grease flows down to the drip catcher. I've tried every other method but this has got to be the easiest.

What is this threads topic any way?

Trying to get it together for a couple of days of skiing at Loon Mtn. in NH. Too crappy to drive up tonight, the snow is the consistancy of what they use for slushies. Not good driving weather.

Hey Sheila---Glad to have added to the level,of discourse here.

"Ok KC "Clinton Fatigue" is a figment of my imagination. In fact I coined the phrase. "

Well No. But you did get it direct from right wing Republicans who started saying it before Bill left office. Copy anyone you like.

We are such an eclectic group. Come here for politics and you get: History, music in several formats, computer advice, recipes, home improvement, book reviews, photography, etc.

oh

And we may get around to politics eventually. :-)

down here in the south when its raining ice we call it

sleet.

-Hip

:-)

have a great weekend, see you tomorrow

Hipster

And Doots, I don't understand. You say you don't cook in non-stick, but cast iron is the original non-stick. Mine makes Teflon pans look like 60 grit sandpaper.

Dnd, my comment was made because I don't know dooty about pots and pans. (smiles) I am afraid that we also wash the skillets between uses. Again, because I don't know better. I am gonna google cast iron and read up on it.

thanks for the info.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Just glad I wasn't too wrong in pointing out that typo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6VsIPPLa8I

Doctor talking about pots and pans, and dangerous elements contained in them.

I get really sick and tired of Obama playing holier than thou when it comes to the Iraq War and the idiots and the bias media that goes right along with it.

We ALL have to remember that we went to Iraq under the pretenses that Saddam Hussein had WMD's. Yes, now we ALL know it was based on lies; however, if those lies were able to have been disproved before the last 6-12 months, then where were the bias media trying to stop Bush? We went there to get Saddam and we got him, remember "Mission Accomplished?' It is BUSH's FAULT we have remained there for an additional 5 years, NOT Hillary Clinton's vote authorizing the war.

I remember that far back, and remember how I felt from March 17, 2003-March 19, 2003. I was petrified, and felt like the world was coming to an end. The first set of POW's were captured on my birthday, March 24th, and were also from Ft. Bliss, my home town. So, yes, I can remember that far back. I waited to see how Hillary Clinton voted on the war, and I said to myself, "If the Clintons know in any way, shape, or form that this is a bad judgment call, then they will speak up!" Therefore I trusted her judgment! I still trust her judgment. She took a stand for what she had every right to believe was the solid truth.

I am relieved that we got rid of Saddam Hussein though, as I am sure everyone is. We would not have if we took Obama's position, or lack thereof regarding the Iraq war. It is real easy to take a stance on something after the fact when you were not there. How can he be so sure what he would do? He also has not said what made him come to that judgment! What set of facts told him that the war was wrong? And if he had solid evidence that the war was wrong, why didn't he provide proof along with his "famous 2004 speech" and stop the war with whatever means necessary. It doesn't look like he has a hard time getting the medias attention! They would have listened, right? (Rolling eyes) He is an arrogant, holier than thou, I can do everything better, a**hole!

I can hear John McCain now in the General Election IF it is Obama… "Obama over here is so liberal on war, he says he would have voted against it, and Obama says it was a mistake….Well, I don't think it is a mistake my friends, we got rid of one of the biggest dictators, Saddam Hussein! We are facing a national terror threat and threats from Islamic Jihad's, and Obama's liberal attitude on war is not going to keep us safe! I am a war hero, and I would like Obama to tell the soldiers and their families that are sacrificing that they made a mistake….I don't think so my friend"

Oh shit, I think I just wrote McCain's speech! We ALL know this is how he talks! Obama WILL NOT win the election for the Democrats against the Republicans…Mark my words! Kerry was less liberal and it cost us the last election.

People, please don't participate with or follow the bias ignorant media and discourage people from voting for Hillary because of this one issue. She clearly is more ready on day one to take on ALL of the issues, not just a judgment call about war. I am not pro-war either but I am not against it IF it is necessary. Obama is so liberal about it he also scares me on the opposite spectrum that Bush does. Hillary is right in the center where all of us want to be and should want to be! That is uniting!

Teflon lined pans contain carcinogens. Toss them, and cook primarily with stainless steel and glass. Cast iron is good, too, as long as you're not cooking for someone with excess iron in their system. Another thing you might consider...use sea salt, as the anti-caking agent in regular table salt contains aluminum.

we mostly have Revere pots and pans. (the ones with the copper looking bottoms.) One of the cast irons is an omelet pan both that I use all the time have enameled bottoms Le Creuset I believe is the name we got them as wedding presents 31 years ago. We have a griddle and a couple of smaller skillets that don't have the enameling that we recently got from the estate of my wife's mom. I have some work to do on them to make them usable.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Aren't all George Foreman grills lined with Teflon?

Proof the system doesn't work sometimes.

http://www.dddb.net/php/latestnews_ArchiveDate.php

nowadays, The non-stick pans that are any good, have a nonstick substance that has crushed diamonds as a basis. There is not chemical reaction in high heat and will last for up to 20 years. Retaurants use them and a good example of one would be All Clad.

The cheaper stuff in like K Mart are to be avoided at all cost

Doots, I had Le Creuset for 20 years. I loved it, but I started having dificulty with the weight of them when I developed arthritis. Great pans though.

Tiptoe

"Clinton wins by a cigar."

It's a woman running. That would be a cigarillo. :)

"There you go being rude again when disagreed with Jamie. "

As far as I can tell you didn't disagree with me and I wasn't rude. You said you didn't invent the term. I said where the term came from. If you think that was rude, I humbly apologize for providing information that in some way insulted you.

NEW THREAD

Thanks to the C-list today I :

Put my proof of insurance in my glove box, rahter than leaving it on my desk.

Got hungry and made a BLT, properly frying the bacon in a cast iron skillet, which I did NOT wash.

Put "Spackle" on my shopping list to finally fix two nail holes that have been bugging me.

Discovered I do NOT have Clinton Fatigue and so I am now on my way to San Jose to see Hillary!

~ G

Obama lied about his father's religious denomination during the DNC Convention in 2004. He said his father was a non-practicing Christian.

Loved your post today. LOL. I always enjoy listening to you on Keith O. You are my favorite guest. I am a little aggravated with Keith who used to be my hero. I sense a certain hostility from him towards Hillary. Also was aggravated that he didn't have a special comment when the Vick kills dogs story came out. I don't think he likes the ladies or dogs. That knocks him off the top of my list.

So you think Hillary Clinton will motivate Republicans come out in droves to vote? Just wait and see what the Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity types are going to do that "Half of an American" you won't be able to scare them off like you did to Clinton's. They have the same power to bring out half Black haters as they do Hillary haters. I will guarantee you that they are more of that kind of hater left than there are Hillary haters. The media knows this and they are willing to accept John McCain as president and Senator Obama as an also-ran?

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