Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Zing

I have not given up hope that HRC will win the nomination.

I am a woman trapped inside the body of a transvestite man.

Did I say that right?

Am I first on this thread?

Hope so.

Dang. LushIs. You beat me again!

Hey Guys! Just wanted to pop in to see if y'all will be watching the debate. Sorry I disappeared for a while, had to take a break from the politics and travel to California for some work. Still not sure about McCain, I may be jumping on the Obama train, I'm such a lemming! Missed y'all!

There you go again Craig. Attacking the messenger...

Karolenna:

I meant the part about catering to someone's weakness - which makes them weaker - as opposed to exploiting someone's weakness - which should make them stronger if they are paying any attention.

Hillary has been too tied to the script - and has not been paying enough attention to reality.

No...sturgeone is the first

..."I am proud to be here with BO"...my girl should've followed it up with, "now I'm going to rip your lungs out, sweet dreams".

Posted by: econsmed | February 26, 2008 8:37 PM

seriously ROTFLMAO!!!!

So...Craig gets paid to follow politics and he's watching American Idol tonight? While I am assuming the rest of us don't get paid to follow politics and we are fighting with each other every day over this election? I wanna be like Craig!

but today is All Caps day........

HW

You are right they can either stay and be masochists while an unending stream of invective is heaped on their heads or they can take a vacation. He has nothing to do with the decision.

Keith broke out a good Churchill quote:

"A modest man with much to be modest about."

Dear,

I'm a korean living in seoul.(name: Oh Minseok)
Korean special investigative team are investigating samsung
corporation.
But they do not work right.
I am suspicious to be bought off.
samsung corporation has many crimes.
And the team investigates samsung corporation.
It contains korean companies samsung,huyndai,sk CEOs' illegal issuing
stocks or bonds.
The quantity are plenty.
(Three company CEOs did(and are doing) many crimes to me.
Many koreans are knowing it.
But many koreans are bought off by illegal issuing stocks or bonds.)
The team are knowing it.
Korean special investigative team must investigate this.
But they are trying to conceal it.
I ask for asking for this criminal investigation to prosecutors in any
country.
And help the shareholders and me.

P.S)
Three companies are hacking me and trying to kill me.
And are suspicious to use my name and email illegally.
If you receive another message that I dictated above are not true,
it is not from me, but from three companies.
The things I dictated above are true.

leoscar7@gmail.com

Sturg wins in a photo finish

David Hernandez rocks

He was good!!!

Sorry Oh Minseok...we're just a bunch of cynical Americans who don't really care about your particular persecution problems. Just put on your orange jumpsuit and get in line. Okay?

Hey..........No cameras!

craig how's your foot

Jamie...

I understand. I, too, have taken 'vacations' when someone made me angry, hurt my feelings, or when I was just tired of all the infighting this campaign season has provoked. The common thread in all of those has to do with my feelings...so I have to take responsibility for my decision to leave. I choose not to give others the power to MAKE me do anything...but sometimes that's hard to pull off.

HW:

TV is one of my oldest addictions. I always piss off my mom when I say I was raised by the TV.

How many contestants are left on American Idol?

10 boys 10 girls

And not a single transvestite!

What an outrage!

Warren...

I bet! If I were your mom and you said that, I'd spank you! Then again, my mom would probably spank me for spanking you, and then she'd spank me again for referring to oysters as snot...or for saying I wouldn't vote for George Wallace for dogcatcher.

Saw Bill Cunningham on CNN - he is VERY angry at McCain. He used BO's middle name at a McCain rally. Now says he is for Hillary.

Looks like Jameson tonight. Does that go good with halibut?

Boo hoo, the media is sooo slanted against Hillary.

Gotta go cook dinner...bbl.

The best one came from Obama himself ...

"Periodically when Hillary gets a little down she lashes out"
--Jamie

You know what irks me? We all know damn well that BHO wouldn't dare talk about his wife with such a patronizing tone.

uhoh - with all this talk of masochism and spanking - I hope work is not spying on me. I am sure I am on a few watch lists...

they did not look chummie

HW, I'm probably the same as Warren, totally addicted to TV. Lost and Dexter being my favs. I guess I need to go back and read some previous threads to catch up on everything.

cunningham is a bit.........confused.

And don't worry - it is a laptop. I am not drinking in the office. That would be bad, right?

Luscious,

I'm still working on the last thread. You said "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" William Congreve.

I always assumed that came from The Bible. I definitely took it to be the "Gospel Truth".

HW

You are right they can either stay and be masochists while an unending stream of invective is heaped on their heads or they can take a vacation. He has nothing to do with the decision.

Posted by: jamie | February 26, 2008 8:44 PM

LOL Jamie, I love the irony you put in your statement... You got my point exactly.

Prithee fill up my glass til it laugh in my face
with ale that is potent and mellow
He that whines for a lass is an ignorant ass
for a bumper of wine has not its fellow.....

Wm Congreve

There you go again Craig. Attacking the messenger...

Posted by: dnd | February 26, 2008 8:40 PM

Seems to be a lot of that going around .. I gotta sleep... goodnight... happy debate... may the best woman win... xoxoxoxo

"While many attribute the quote to William Shakespeare, it actually comes from a play called the "The Mourning Bride" (1697) by William Congreve. The complete quote is "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned / Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned." "
--ask Yahoo

It could be wrong

sweet dreamz, EuroTom!!

no opening statements

notice BHO isn't writing tonight...LOL...I think he is scared to take his eyes off of HRC!!!

Have you Hillary supporters thought about the obvious disadvantage she has among the Big 3 - she's not a southpaw. Odds are stacked against her...

Lefties for Prez!!

I think writing is a sign someone is paying attention - unless he is just doodling.

Barack said "Massatoosets"

Ah, Hillary the broken record...

Things are a little icy tonight...notice the Senator this and Senator that...no friendly first name basis so far.
~g

they should use a split screen so we can see both of them

Speaking of ass quotes:

Mr. Brownlow: The law assumes that your wife acts under your direction.

Mr. Bumble: If the law supposes that, then the law is a ass, a idiot! If that's the eye of the law, then the law is a bachelor. And the worst I wish the law is that his eye may be opened by experience.

did you just see that look on her face

Yes but only five Presidents have had Brown eyes.

no lovefest tonight

Oh Hillary, everything is TOO important.

Sturge,

He did it again. No wonder Hillary beat him in Massatoosets.

vad~
She's right on the edge, I fear, of going into attack mode...don't do it HRC!
~g

OK...every time BHO says, "Massatoosets'...drink a shot!!

Of course the "boys" are going to give BHO the last word...

EdVB's (self-serving) Law of Lefties:

Not all smart people are left-handed, but all left-handed people are smart.

Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, John Quincy Adams, Chester A. Arthur, and Lyndon Johnson

Impeached. Resigned, single term, single term, single term.

I get that same look from my wife, she's on the edge

Wow, this is desperate.

Obama is a lefty? I guess that means he doesn't do anything right.

Again she get's the first question

No, Hillary, no....

oh Lord...she had to go there....

Oh, this is not good. Seriously. Hillary is coming across as paranoid. SNL? Complaining about getting the first question?

I beat her to the punch. Time delay for the post

comfy, O? want a feather pillow or are you allergic to real things?

she could have brought up getting the questions first, without bringing up SNL...oh Lord

Age before beauty! :-)

"Imagine" on American Idol -- the real deal

O's right...HRC has been behind NAFTA for years....BUT SO HAS O !! AND he's about to about it!

put yourself in her shoes you have had enough and you let your true feeling get out. Not a good move but could all of us keep their mouth shut or say the right thing

*hear about it*

there he goes again, come on guys reverse the order of the questions

she looks all flustered...her face looks flushed 8(

Tim is pissing me off...

ok guys after this segment it's time to turn the table and ask Mr. O some hard ones.

Me too Me too Me too

me too answers again

She's been saying it all day today, so I can't really go with you on thinking it was her true feeling.

OMG...did BHO actually say, "SENATOR' CLINTON'S ANSWER IS RIGHT"????

He doesn't even have to be there, does he?

when you get the 2nd question and the first one is answered correctly what else can you say

uh huh @ vadaryl

I guess she is going to get the first one in this debate

Jamie,

I understand, but it's not his fault. See here's my thing. Hillary is one of the smartest people in American politics. While on the road, I listened to POTUS 08 and heard her talk about health care for two hours with young women. She sounded human, knowledgeable and caring. But this was a small setting. When the big lights come on, she seems like she doesn't have her voice.

Gore as POTUS in 2000...great answer!

And then he voted to pay for it since being in the Senate

She has to respon that Bush was NOT a DC insider either and look how that worked out.

I voted for "Imagine" at 1-866-43657-10

boy they are going right at her

Craig-
Who sang it?
~g

I just couldn't get into American Idol this year.

dunno, gidget, but sang it well

that look is kiling me

Craig-
You're too funny...I'll have to wait for another 1 1/2 hour to find out.
~g

BHO needs to decide how he wants to pronounce Pakistan.

Speaking of testy. Timmie didn't like her saying it was like Saturday Night Live ... tee hee.

LL-
0-2

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Gee are they getting paid for not doing their jobs as senator since they are too busy running for President?

He hasn't had time in a year in three months to hold a committee hearing of his Senatorial committee.

No they were up against a hard break for commercial. He had to do that.

popcorn, anyone?

Honestly...when you look at how Hillary looks at Obama, you get the same vibe you got back in 2000 when George H.W. Bush looked at George W.

It's like...I can't BELIEVE this lightweight is about to be elected president. But I guess I'll still have to love him.

And wow, what a lightweight he is.

Sorry, Senator Clinton, nothing is more important than getting to this commercial break on time.

no line of the night yet

LL-
I've moved from snacks to large glasses of wine...I wish i could pass one to HRC...
~g

She makes me nervous.

What are they doin to her....this is not fair!!

wrong tape or was that planned

What was the question?

All that Obama does is describe the problem. Does he ever have any experience to back it up?

Based on that question that tape was planned it was not a mistake

During the campaign, they have grilled HRC with questions about her husband.

I wish they would play the Michelle Obama clip about being proud of her country, for the first time and ask BHO, WTF she was talking about.

He just gave her one.

0-3

they should play that tape but they used all the ones on her

They never did get back to HRC point she was trying to make, before the commercial break.

joke on us

Do you have a name?

Someone explain this Health care stuff, please I'n not understanding what they are saying. I will be punished for not having it, but I have to pay for it myself? Isn't that what I do now?

Obama the flip flopper!

Missed a couple of minutes- was there a wrong tape shown? Please elaborate.

Shoot, I'd opt out of public financing in a hot second. I'd feel bad...all while kicking it in the White House.

he's kicking ass and taking names..

Nope Jamie, just an anonymous person.

JennBe, the difference is that Obama will not mandate that all adults be covered. He does mandate that children be covered.

If the US does not cover all adults, then the rates will remain high. The only way to cut down the rates is to spread the responsiblity among all the people.

Yeah.... sure it is ok for him to flip flop on public financing.

But here is the point: when he flips, he shows that he is just a regular politician. He is not turning the page like he says. Rather, he is a hypocrite!!!!

Craig?

JennBe

I'll be glad to do a whole run down on both of their plans in details, but it is rather long. Short answer. you will have a choice of insurance. The cost will be paid by your employer if you have one, there will be a combination of tax credits or government paid support if you are self employed or unemployed.

By being universal the costs will drop. All the developed nations on earth have universal health care. We are the only ones who don't.

I wonder if these great moderators will ever ask questions about Rezko?????

Do you reject his support?
--Tim

ah, bawh auhhhh...huh?
--BHO

Ah, here's the old "Farrakhan denunciation" question. Always wanting the black candidate to denounce comments thirty years old.

To add to the universal health care discussion: the difference between Obama and Clinton is that Obama does not require that adults get insurance. How will his plan lower costs on premiums if all of the people do not share the costs. They won't. The premiums will remain the same. People will still not be able to afford the cost. Then, those who cannot afford will continue to go without care.

Clinton's plan caps how much money each family will pay. Because everyone will share in the expense, the costs will go down.

Alpha the support is only 24 hours old and Farrakhan has been making those comments for thirty years not just making them once thirty years ago.

Yeah, but Farrakhan is used as a wedge, no matter how irrelevant he may be on the political landscape.

Thanks guys I appreciate the answers. It still boggles me so Jamie if you have links to stuff (so you don't have to type it) I would love it. My next question is why can't anyone say the word compromise? If anything is going to get done doesn't everyone have to give a little? This whole premise of bringing everyone together is a crock without a little give and take.

Also if someone shows up at the hospital without health insurance, the burden falls on the taxpayer just as it does now.

Senator Obama has talked about making them either pay or get insurance at the hospital which makes no sense. If you don't have pay by the month policy, how are you supposed to come up with $50,000 for a major injury.

She's plays that Clinton game What is is!

What is is the possible cost for a family under their plans compared to what a family who is self employed pays now?

He said "when he gave a sermon" at Ebeneezer Baptist Church--That's exactly what many of us have been saying all along.

Hi everyone -- just tuning in late -- we were playing Rock Band over here.

JennBe,

Bringing people together is great. That said, it is niave of Obama to think that rogue leaders will just come together and everything will be solved. These leaders need arm twisting, threats, and yes, occasionally, bribes.

What I question is whether Obama has the resolve. Sure, he is good at talking. But can he actually get things done.

Since he has such as limited record, we will never know. We have to take a chance on him. Well, it is not a chance I will take.

Jennbe

It's actually easier to type since most of the sites tend to be multi page monsters that would make your eyes cross. I've just been over them so often I can usually get it down to a few paragraphs. :-)

Nice - concede the point. Touche!! That's change baby!!

Thanks Joke, I was mainly refering to working across party lines though. I like Obama more each time I see him but I'm still a die hard republican at heart so I do have many reservations.

LOL @ LaL

Would love it Jamie, thanks!

As always, the softball questions go to Obama and the hardball go to Hillary. I would have liked to have known whether Obama knew the answer without Hillary's answer first.

Why Joke?

What country do you live in? The President's decisions don't only impact the people who voted for him. If you want to check out - I recommend Costa Rica. You can go lighten up...

JennBe- serious question- you say you are a die hard republican at heart- why? What does that mean to you- what are your issues or positions that make you a repub? And does the party and or GWB reflect that?

I wish they had asked this question to BHO, first...now he can just say, I agree.

I wish they had asked this question to BHO, first...now he can just say, I agree.

McCain knows the new Russian guy's name, talked about him by name at length yesterday without being asked. Dems have no clue.

Warren,

You don't like what you read, so you attack the messenger. Next, you will attack my sense of patriotism.

You are right though. The president's actions affect Americans as well as those abroad. That is my point: to deter countries such as N. Korea, a president must exert credibility and capability. Certainly, the US has the capability. But with a person such as Obama, will he project the credibility? We don't know that because he has no record. He only has words.

Hi Kathy, Big question may have too much Vodka in me right now for answer that makes sense, GWB has not done what could have been done in the past 8 years. My fundemental beliefs are that that the government should stay out of peoples personal lives. I'm pro-choice, I think the buracracy is too large, and pay far too much of my income to the Government.
My feelings right now are that my party has gone away from me with all of the pandering to splinter or fringe groups instead of saying and doing things that are right or make sense. Forgive my spelling, I'm the president and founder of the JennBe School of Typing, LOL! I'm sure tomorrow I can make a much more comprehendable arguement.

Barack Obama's Racist Church

"If Sen. Obama rejects the Rev. Wright’s warped view of this country, why does he continue to attend his church?"

( jamie - yes, I know about Newsmax. )

http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Church_Racism/2008/01/07/62285.html

Joke:

If I was attacking the messenger - I would have recommended you vacation in Kosovo.

I bet you would thank me when you got back from Costa Rica. Pura Vida!

Politicians are in the business of words. Capitol Hill ain't a factory or an octagon. HRC might be able to take out Obama if this was the UFC.

Jennbe

You can look over this as it is similar to what Senator Clinton wants to establish here

http://www.euro.who.int/document/e71203.pdf

but go ahead and write and I'll try to field questions.

My email is

webthings at comcast dot com

Craig -- New Russian guy? Who?

He has been a member for 20 years. It is a mega church with thousands of members. He has a history with neighborhood activism and he's a politician.

You go where the people are. The anti-semitic stuff makes me very nervous, but Obama did disavow those statements by his minister tonight as well as mentioning all the Civil Rights work done by the Jewish community while acknowledging that there has been a falling out on some issues that he hopes to repair.

It makes me unhappy, but can't convict him for the actions of another man.

Thanks Jamie, I will! In my opinion the debate goes to Obama tonight, though he wasn't quite swaying me yet. Damn I don't want to have to vote for McCain.

David Wilhelm -- traitor

Dmitry Medvedev New President

Putin Puppet

Craig,

"McCain knows the new Russian guy's name, talked about him by name at length yesterday without being asked. Dems have no clue."

Russert should have put that question to BO first. All BO did was parrot what HRC had said and then went off in another direction having nothing to do with Russert's question. BO is such a lightweight when it comes to... well almost everything. Let there be no doubt Hillary won the night.

The debate looked like Obama's public (and Democratic) interview for President of the US. At times, Hillary was just another interviewer. The GOP will get their chance too...

Jamie,

The anti-semitic stuff makes me very nervous, but Obama did disavow those statements by his minister tonight

I'll need to read the transcript on that one. I though BO was disavowing Louis Farankan. , not his minister.

There is doubt Fry. I think unless Tina Fey pulls a another rabbit out of her hat this Sat. - Hillary is toast in TX and could get burned in OH. Either way - we should be looking at a Mar. 5-6 concession speech - which could also act as the first real shot over the bow to the Republicans (if the Clintons are looking ahead).

thanks Jamie -- on the new Russian guy, forgot about him. Guess I have no clue. We care about him -- why?

He disavowed Farakhan and then said that he had spoken out about statements with which I disagreed about his minister, but it wasn't as strong as the disavowal of the Farakhan support.

He's walking a fine line between the whole movement particularly within black churches to encourage mutual dependence within the community to improve the conditions particularly for those living with crime and poverty. which has at times created conflicts with Asians, Hispanics, and Jews and the fact that within society in general prejudice is finally disappearing so that a whole lot of people are feeling rejected by the black community at a time when reaching out is happening.

dicey issues to step around and bring about peace and resolution.

Ugh Jesse Jackson on MSNBC -- he's talking like Brando in The Godfather these days

My local news just came up with the headline leading to the broadcast "Hillary Clinton is 'cornered' and this may be her last debate"..."She said she gets the first question each debate but she didn't get the first question each time tonight"...... I give up - unless Hilldog puts on a strap on I swear the MSM isn't going to report anything accurately - worst part, I live in Boston - .....I think there's supposed to be some responsibility to the truth here since we're supposed to be "where it all began". Pathetic.

Rachel Madow -- calling it like it is -- the DEM supression debate -- lol!

I know econsmed ... it is very frustrating. They have now had about seven anti Hillary people and Rachel gets to sort of say something to nice about her.

Oh boy - here comes Pat. I think Hillary should replace Penn with Buchanon if she wants to win this thing.

Only was able to see last half hour of debate..Ithought they did well but fatigue showed..

Grim is good in terms of debating. This is serious business. Obama will still be getting people fired up all over. Only us nuts watch these debates like a freaking Superbowl.

From LushIsLinda on February 26, 2008 8:58 PM

“The best one came from Obama himself ...
"Periodically when Hillary gets a little down she lashes out"
--Jamie

“You know what irks me? We all know damn well that BHO wouldn't dare talk about his wife with such a patronizing tone.”

Wanna bet? I believe they have a very open marriage where each speaks their mind, which is the way it should be! That is probably one reason I’m not with someone because I “always” speak my mind. Most men cannot accept that. Send me one who accepts that, I will accept his mind (if we agree), and he is “mine”.

Question - any idea given the blatant and thanks to the net totally documented case of media bias against HRC, that if BoBo (sorry, but that's what I'm calling him because.....well, basically I hate him) gets the nod and loses to McCain - which I believe will happen because the idiot has said so many things in the early campaign that can be used to get the right out to vote -regardless of what they think of McCiain - is there any chance of a suit against 'news' organizations like MSNBC & company for damage? - might sound nuts, but I'm serious. I'm just disgusted.

Divalicious

Putin has pretty well taken Russia back to the cold war stage. He cannot legally run for President again though he will still have a seat in the Duma

Dmitry Medvedev is currently Vice Prime Minister . He is a Putin puppet and will continue those regressive policies.

Right now we have a problem because we are supporting the independence of Kosovo and Russia is backing Serbia that considers Kosovo part of Serbia.
It's been a problem since Tito was deposed and Yugoslavia broke up.

The Balkins blow up at regular intervals and a whole lot of people die. Very difficult situation for Russia, EAstern europe, the U.S., and our European allies.

I love women that speak their minds! (but everyone can benefit from biting their tongue here and there....as well as from a little peace and quient).

Econsmed

Unfortunately we can't sue them, but you might enjoy this

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/2008/02/betrayal.html

That black lady from OH who loves Hillary is great. She should do a show with the Huck.

Craig,

That is BS. People watch what they accept and agree with. I love Chris Matthews and don't necessarily believe he is for Obama (if you can believe). Obermann, well, yes; but that’s why I love him!!! Chris wants and loves the media. I DO NOT AND NEVER WILL WATCH the Faux channel because they are the most biased in the world as well as Limbaugh and others in talk radio. But, people have already determined who they support and no media will change their minds. Just ask me. I know. My family is totally split and we just don't talk about politics. We don’t put each other in the emergency room as some did in (I believe it was) PA yesterday. I choose to decide they are just “uninformed” and (as I tell them to their faces) they live in a huge “fart”.

Jamie:

Do you see any tension between Hillary's claim against Putin's power grab - and what some would say would be a third term of the Clinton Co-Presidency. If we learned anything from this campaign - we sure know who wears the pants in the Clinton household.

Craig,

You are right on the mark, and you have the courage to say it. I am so angry about the media's role in this election that I am gradually withdrawing from watching the news.

Many journalists seem to think that of their position as a source of personal privilege and self-indulgence rather than as a public trust.

Karolena was foolish enough to say:

"Wanna bet?"

LOL
say it in front of his wife.

LOL
He will not say it in this life.
Obama values his huevos too much.
That wife of his doesn't look like she will put up with any disrespect.

Jack

Jaxiolo

Econsmed and I are in the same club. You might enjoy this article I wrote.

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/2008/02/betrayal.html

Jax:

If you are now "officially offended" at the way Hillary has been treated - you have come to the right place.

I don't really have a dog in that fight (can we say that after Vick) - and you make some valid points. But there were times when Hillary was trying to take over the debate through fillibusters - and it is the moderators job to step in.

I don't like American Idol, but your comments, Craig, are well taken!

It's not clear to me now who decided the winner.

I've OD'ed on debates.

tt

Jaime --
Kinda exactly my point -- the new guy is the same as the old guy. Putin is the strongman keeping a lid on Russia so the mob can run everything. James Fallows wrote a very interesting article for The Atlantic years ago -- back in the 80s -- about how we will one day be nostalgic for The Cold War -- basically because the two superpowers -- USSR and USA -- kept all the regional, ancient rivalries and disputes on ice. I think in the article Fallows also mentioned how the rivalry between USA and USSR also kept China #3. Now where are we? I agree that the Balkans are a powder keg for all of Europe and could easily spread beyond that to the East -- wouldn't mind letting the Russians have it to keep it all under wraps. Oh wait -- is there oil there? hmmmm.... Uh, Oh never mind ...http://www.flyingfish.org.uk/articles/balkan/pipelines.htm

uhoh Karolenna - don't go down the Facist road.

What happened to everybody speaking their mind. There are some women over on Fox.

I find it wildly amusing that HRC's supporters think it was all the moderators fault for her performance tonight. I guess the truth is in the eyes of the beholders.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Jaxlola,

A lot of people here see it the same way you did. If there was any doubt, listening to Russert and Matthews recapping and trying to justify the questioning confirmed your suspicions.

I haven't made a choice since Biden withdrew, but MSNBC's treatment of Hillary has been appalling.

Hi Jax -- Sounds like you have just expereinced what we refer to as the feminist "Click." Welcome to the club!

I had my first "click about 20 years ago in college. After all this time or living and forgetting, all the same old stuff comes roiling back to the surface -- I am now living through my second "click." Trying to make sense of it all -- trying to use this anger as illumination, rather than a blinding light. Sometimes, it all gets to be too much, like tonight -- when I purposefully decided to play Rock Band with my sons. (Who are being raised to be feminists.)

I am approaching 50. My friends in their late 50s and 60s and who are working so hard to get Hillary elected really feel that for us, this is the last possibility in our lifetimes to see a woman president. For us, a dream deferred is dream denied.

Why am I torturing myself by watching this poor excuse for post-debate analysis? I know...I know...if it bothers me I should just change the channel. Maybe I'm just holding out a glimmer of hope that SOMEONE will speak from a FAIR perspective. Once...just once!

Hmm...I should've laid a good money bet beforehand that I'd hear these things said in this so-called analysis:

1) Obama looks so presidential
2) The debate was a draw
3) Hillary needed a "knock out" punch and didn't land it

Aside from literally punching him out LOL, there's NOTHING she could've done that would've led them to concede she won the debate. I'm not surprised the talking heads at MSNBC have only mentioned Obama's response to the Farrakhan question once or twice. That, compared to the fact they've gone on and on and ON about how wrong it was for her to emphasize the major change a female president would bring. THEY (with a capital T) say how an Obama presidency would be just as big a change and she was somehow implying it wouldn't be. Plus, "THEY" say Obama couldn't have made that point because it would be polarizing. Is that truly the most important 'moment' THEY took away from this debate? Remember, HE is "cool" and "unflappable" while SHE is "emotional". He's got a "good sense of humor" and she's "sarcastic". And...as a Jewish person, I don't appreciate the mocking they are doing of the "I'll denounce and reject" comment by Obama. Really......it's funny? He ONLY agreed to reject the endorsement (loosely, at that) because Hillary put him on the spot, thus forcing him to do so. If Hillary hadn't stepped in to force clarification, Obama wouldn't have clarified, PERIOD (and Russert surely wouldn't have pressed the point)!! Why aren't THEY acknowledging the fact she had to push him to do so....that he took the onus off himself by making her look petty for parsing words....that he never even *addressed* the question regarding his Pastor? Instead, both during the debate and now afterward, they are all having a good laugh (including Gene Robinson and Keith Olbermann) about how silly she was to push for him to reject Farrakhan's endorsement. Shouldn't the fact he essentially answered that he can't "force" a hatemonger not to like him and, well... since he didn't ask said hatemonger for the endorsement, can't reject it, be more relevant? The entire fact they are mocking HIllary's performance in that exchange instead of Obama's answer pretty much says it all. SIGH....get me out of the Twilight Zone!!!!!

People are living into their 80's all the time now.

Hillary's responses were as usual substantive & knowledgable. However, I don't beleive that anyone's opinion was influenced.

Obama has the ability to string words together but they lack substance. He piggy-backed virtually all his answers from Hillary--then continued to speak without saying anything.

Tim Russert was a disgrace. He was antagonistic, belligerent, argumentative--interrupted Hillary repeatedly. Kept trying for one of his "gotcha" moments.

And to Warren -- FYI "the black lady from Ohio" is Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones--an ardent supporter of Hillary Clinton.

Coreen:

Her name came up on the TV as I was typing it - and I decided it was too long to type and it would not be as funny - plus I am a white guy (i.e., a sexist racist pig).

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But I am glad you got Stephanie Tubbs Jones' name out there. One of my other considerations was that if I used her name - there may be less people would know who I was talking about. Anyways, I do think she has been one of the most effective supporters of Clinton. One of the few that does not seem like she is reading from a script.

And I would watch a sitcom with her and the Huckster.

This is good. Just about how I feel about the spoiler Ralph Nader.

"Message to Ralph Nader from Anonymous"

http://www.236.com/blog/w/election08/message_to_ralph_nader_from_an_4373.php

And:

"Thought Process Flowchart : Ralph Nader"

http://www.236.com/news/2008/02/25/thought_process_flowchart_ralp_1_4699.php

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Hey - the debate is on Telemundo. I would hate to be the translator that has to deliver some of Hillary's jokes. Maybe they will be funnier in Espanol.

Thanks for the welcome!

Horsedooty---I am not *blaming* the moderators for anything. Rather, I am acknowledging that they are an embarrassment to their profession. Hillary did a fantastic job tonight...sounding more intelligent and presidential than ever. I'm very proud of her---can't say the same for Williams and Russert.

Divalicious---I'm embarrassed to say that in college, I had the same notion of "Womens' Studies" as most on campus: they all must be man-hating lesbians with an agenda. I am ashamed I couldn't see the bigger picture then, but now I do. I perhaps never saw the discrimination so blatently before now, or tossed away complaints from other women as unimportant. If nothing else, I am glad now that I am a more informed woman and person. Guess it's true what they say about age and experience!

Warren-- I see your point re: the moderators and no matter who we are individually supporting, I think we can mostly all agree that the moderation left much to be desired.

Karolenna--I wish you were right--that people know who they want to vote for and the news doesn't have an effect. But, most people aren't political junkies...watching the debates, reading the blogs. And, IMO, even less people are critical thinkers. Too many people pay NO attention to the issues, debates and speeches and instead get their information from the news bumpers during Grey's Anatomy. If literally all you hear are positive soundbites about Obama and how he's 'winning'....then you believe it. Let's be honest--everyone likes to say they picked the 'winner', and sadly more people would rather have Oprah tell them who to vote for than to take the time to listen and assess themselves. I know I'm cynical, but I am also a realist.

Warren - She is passionate in her support, to the degree, that she has stated that she has been getting some backlash and pressure from some of her constituents.

As far as you being a white sexist, racist pig--fine with me so long as you are not one of those flying pigs that circle my office on occassion.

As far as Huckabee--sorry but his down home charm/wit is lost on me.

In Democratic primary, expect a GOP turnout

"According to polling, as well as anecdotal evidence, an unusually large number of Republicans and independents may cast their votes in the Democratic contest next week, a prospect that could tip the outcome of what polls show is now a tight race. Such defections could also affect the many local and state legislative primaries around the state.

Daron Shaw, a political science professor at University of Texas, said surveys he conducted in two state legislative districts in the Dallas-Fort Worth area revealed that almost a quarter of voters with a history of voting in GOP primaries planned on participating in the Democratic primary.

Michael Jones, a 39-year-old self-described conservative Republican who is involved in marketing, said he will cast his vote for Obama in the primary "so Hillary gets out."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5569829.html

Jax:

Keep in mind - some of the criticism of Hillary is based on flaws that are unique to her as a candidate in this election. She stumpled on what message to drive and the flaws of her campaign have been well-documented.

I think a lot of women have personalized Hillary's campaign. I have had a somewhat similar experience with the Obama campaign. Him being a kid from a so-called broken home (my mom used to say we we were dysfunctional before it became cool) and rising to the highest office on his own merits - not because of connections - is inspiring to a lot of people I think (including a lot of women - young and old).

I also think his Presidency can open a lot of doors for women in positions of power - even if the glass ceiling does not get shattered this time around.

Jaxlola -- Just wanted to welcome you here. I apologize for some of the condescension you may have read on this board coming from both males who usually know better and a few female enablers.

But I am actually heartened by your response. Just like I am heartened by my daughter's phone call today. She grew up in the feminist movement, grew to take many things for granted since our friends tended to be non-sexist. She has never been particularly political. As of today, on behalf of her two year old daughter, she is pissed. And her husband is, too.

Coreen:

"flying pigs" - puff puff pass!

Patsi:

Do you know where I can find a good "female enabler" - that sounds like what I am looking for.

No, Warren, you are looking for a smooth talking man who will "help women break the glass ceiling"....someday.

On the other hand, Larry Craig issued a release today accepting resumes for interns. (True story)

For I President - yes.

But I am over politics and I was thinking about enabling me in other ways. Like enabling me to remove my ass from this couch!!

It pains me to say this, but the GOP is playing a smart and strategical game. They would NEVER throw their votes to Obama, no matter how much they dislike Hillary, if they *really* thought he could beat McCain. The idea of winning is sweet...and beating Hillary in the GE would be icing on the cake for the haters.

FOX and other GOP media shills have been promoting and praising Obama (as obnoxiously as the MSM), just as Republican voters will and have been pulling the lever for him. Not normally a conspiracy theorist, I do believe they will turn on Obama in a heartbeat and pull out all of the stops (lack of experience, Patriotism issues, etc) to ensure he loses the general election. Those who are involved in the lovefest like Joe Scarborough wouldn't be caught dead voting for Obama. Puhleeze....he's who they'd (under other circumstances) refer to as a "liberal left-wing looney". Yup, they want Hillary out of the race precisely because they know Obama will be easier to defeat (course, the media doesn't share my opinion LOL). Most Americans are closer to the middle...which is why I believe McCain has won the GOP nom. Hillary is much more of a moderate than Obama and IMHO those similarities between she and McCain create much more of a challenge for the Republicans to overcome.

Do you really believe they would purposely position Obama to be their challenger if they felt he was the great, changing tide of America that they report him to be? Not if they thought for a second he could actually win.

"But I am glad you got Stephanie Tubbs Jones' name out there. One of my other considerations was that if I used her name - there may be less people would know who I was talking about."

Nice try, Warren. "It's not that I didn't know her name, I just didn't think you would."

ROFL

Pasti:

I forgot my audience was Hillaryland. Some of you people have probably eaten donuts with the great Mark Penn himself.

By the way, I think Russert is an across-the-board buffoon. His harping on and on about Farrakhan was also obnoxious.

Jaxlola -- I flipped channels to keep from listening to Chris Matthews, and saw Sean Hannity, with a smirk, say, "We've been on the Stop Hillary Express. Now we can start up the Stop Obama Express."

Jax:

Here are some of my thoughts relating to the general election and other things. One of my biggest factors in supporting Obama is that I think he is more electable than Clinton this year.

http://www.dailykos.com/user/Warrentowers13

If Republicans really wanted to hurt the Dems - they would try and drag this fight out as long as possible. Clinton supporters are going to need some time for their wounds to heal before than can take a second look at Obama. The less time - the more likely they vote for someone else - or just stay home.

Joe might dislike McCain even more than Hillary. He was a big supporter of Romney. I wouldn't put it past him to vote for Obama. But I concede he would probably lie about it afterwards...

"Clinton supporters are going to need some time for their wounds to heal before than can take a second look at Obama. The less time - the more likely they vote for someone else - or just stay home."

Very few will stay home, Warren. You are confusing real democrats with the Obama train. The difference is that because I believe Obama's people have run a just-under-the-surface dirty campaign, I will cast a vote but that's about it. I won't be doing what I did in Harold Ford's campaign, picking up and delivering yard signs, passing out bumper stickers to my neighbors, writing emails to remind people to vote. Obama has plenty of people to do all that.

Patsi:

Talk to me in two months (we can still communicate between now and then though - especially since you are also a night owl or perhaps live in HI).

Charlie Rose had the "European View" on tonight. They are for Obama and they think that picture of him is "wonderful" for him outside of the US. Time for bed. Buenas noches.

Thanks for the comments... is this the time I bring up Nader as a possible protest vote? I *wuz* a Democrat, I *wuz*

According to a new poll, McBush defeats both Obama and Clinton in the November election. Early times yes... but the idea that he's going to be a cakewalk to run over is dreaming.

Was Obama still refusing to wear an American flag on his lapel?

Anyone think Clinton can still win this? Any thoughts on whether she and Obama will be running mates?

Once the nominee is confirmed, will the personal attacks on individuals posting in her be finished?

yo soy EuroTom

There's that "arrogant" word again. Maybe because I'm African American, it sounds the same as if someone called Hillary "bitchy". Because he's confident of himself, not cowtowing to her, or feeling that he has to back down from who he is, that makes him arrogant? Nah, let's watch our words.

Hey EuroTom,

This blog comment section was nothing but a Clinton cheerleading team until her campaign began imploding. When Obama supporters began actually speaking up, we were the one ridiculed. Now that Obama has completely changed the election, it's the Clinton supporters who began spewing all of the vitriol. "Going to vote for McCain!" "I hate Obama!" Come on. I think some of the disappointed Clinton voters who thought this nomination a right should step back and get some perspective.

alpha......does 1906 mean the year? or is it just numbers......curious

the year.

I used to say I'd vote for McCain, it's more like frustration and how this has played out... It's a vast left-wing conspiracy I tell you :-)

I will take another look at Obama, and there are things about Hillary I didn't like, but I have always loved her and I believe she has always had her heart into helping people.

Thanks Alpha, yesterday I was pretty down, I appreciate your congeniality.

why is 1906 significant ?

does anyone think Obama knew the Russian's name a small thing right....wrong......thin baby...thin