American Idol Democratic Style

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They're eliminating two women and two men on American Idol tonight, so it's a tough call. But surely during breaks we can figure out whether anyone is eliminated tonight in the Democratic debate. Join us in Comments for the discussion . . .

 

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  1. Why is Hillary staring at Barack?

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:10 PM

  2. See - that's the beauty of being on the West Coast - I don't have to choose.

    Debate now - American Idol later.

    :-D

    sorry right coasters.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:14 PM

  3. hmmm, HRC passed on the soft ball question to blast Obama for meeting wanting to meet with dictators ... she's pulling punches, veiled slap at most

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:16 PM

  4. Craig,

    Isn't it true that in American Idol and in Politics, the game doesn't start until the first sex related scandal?

    Posted by: Bear Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:17 PM

  5. Obama "would meet without preconditions" -- McCain would have fun with that -- Barack has no intention of targeting Florida, mebbe that works

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:17 PM

  6. wow, Obama just said about everything that Florida Cubans do not want to hear, including quoting JFK -- okay fine, Dems, plan on an electoral strategy without Florida with Obama as your nominee

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:19 PM

  7. HRC needs to say, "as President, I will"(like she used to)...instead of "as President", I would" 8(

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:21 PM

  8. McCain's preconditions: nuke first, ask questions later.

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 8:22 PM

  9. Oh Craig I'm so tired of our cuba policy being held hostage to a bunch of middle aged to ancient refuges living in Dade County.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:23 PM

  10. Why is Hillary staring at Barack?
    --alpha1906
    _____

    She's givin' him the "stink eye"...LOL!!!

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:23 PM

  11. Garrett just elminated from American Idol

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:24 PM

  12. alpha,
    "Why is Hillary staring at Barack?"

    It's called the "evil eye."

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 8:24 PM

  13. Obama is taking over the stage, he's damn smooth tonight. It's not helping Hillary that her voice is a little horse.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:26 PM

  14. Ahhh Craig - you're ruining it for us on the West Coast

    WWWHHHHAAAAAA!

    :-(

    LOL - was Garrett the one that looked like Lief Garratt?

    That's too bad - loved his hair.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:26 PM

  15. He's slamming her hard on trade and NAFTA without even saying NAFTA

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:28 PM

  16. obama also stands for denying 1.7 million Florida Democrats a right to vote -- and combined with a GOP governor who played kingmaker for McCain, Florida is simply gone -- Dems can win without the state, maybe, but that's what they'll have to do with Obama -- that's all i'm saying

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:28 PM

  17. Did she just say hoodwinked?

    Hillary...

    sigh...

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:29 PM

  18. I can't watch AI, until it gets to the down to the top 10 or so...I get too sad for the people who don't make it. 8(

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:30 PM

  19. Hey Craig,

    What about the voters who didn't go to the polls in Florida because they thought their vote didn't count? Do they have a voice?

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:30 PM

  20. "wow, Obama just said about everything that Florida Cubans do not want to hear"

    Huh? you mean about remittances and travel? And Clinton agreed. Non comprende.

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 8:30 PM

  21. And think of how many of those Floridians have friends and family up North. Surely they'll get an ear full.

    (Thanks goodness Wolff isn't the moderator tonight!)

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:32 PM

  22. What is "bi-partisan" diplomacy? Isn't diplomatic policy set at the administration level?

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 8:32 PM

  23. Florida: Sort of like scheduling a practice SAT session, and then saying because a bunch of people showed up, that we're actually going to count the results. And by the way, any of you who decided no to show up, too bad. We changed the rules.

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:32 PM

  24. Amy Davis sang "where the boys are" and just got eliminated

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:34 PM

  25. he's playing to his strengths.

    "Why can't we all just get along?"

    Good job O'

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:34 PM

  26. He's really tight on his facts tonight. You might no agree with him craig, but he's very prepared to state his case tonight. Here's the beef!

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:35 PM

  27. Diplomatic policy is set at the _national_ level.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:36 PM

  28. alpah, keep telling Florida how wrong they are and keep on plannning a winning electoral stragegy without the state -- that's all i'm saying

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:36 PM

  29. "Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends!"

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:36 PM

  30. oh come on brian, you're in nearly as much love with the sound of his voice as he is

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:37 PM

  31. No, I don't have an issue with Florida having a say. There should be another primary or caucus. If Sen. Clinton wins it, fine. If Sen. Obama wins it. Fine. But if the voices of all Floridians are to be heard, then the rules have to be clear for all Floridians, not just the ones who showed up or didn't show up before.

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:38 PM

  32. Craig,
    Aren't both candidates pandering to Texas and Ohio? They don't care about Florida tonight. Clinton just spoke of foreclosures in TX and OH.

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 8:40 PM

  33. But Craig my dear, I'm partisan! Hillary is perking up a bit, I'll say. She does have the disadvantage of being shorter than him, so when she listens to him it looks like she's looking up at him.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:40 PM

  34. You'd have to have a primary so as not to disenfranchise all the people that voted in the primary.

    The primary is run by the state - the republican state gov. that got the poor dems of the state into the mess are not going to pay for another very expensive primary.

    So you need to figure something else out.

    Good luck. I'm not worried because if Hillary wins the nomination...they'll love her because she championed their cause. I agree with Craig though - if Obama gets the nom...he's in trouble in FL. So it's the Obama crews problem.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:41 PM

  35. damn...HRC is still starin' at BHO....I think she is mesmerized by his presence...I hope she doesn't faint!!

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:42 PM

  36. there are no legal grounds for another vote in florida, alpha. it is a matter of statute, not something that a bunch of DNC fools can change. and the GOP-controlled Florida has no intention of helping out the dems. Howard Dean tossed away Florida in the general election, unless Clinton is the nominee, and that is the end of the story. Under Obama, Dems must win wihout Florida. So get started on figuring that out. All I'm saying.

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:43 PM

  37. Maybe. But did I miss something, but haven't Cuban Americans in Florida voted Republican for about a billion years?

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:43 PM

  38. And Craig you gotta admit he's being very clever in how he's taking her answers and expanding on them, he's not disagreeing with her, he's out wonking her. .

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:43 PM

  39. dnd - she always speaks specifically about foreclosures in the state she is in at the time. She also knows the exact number...good preparation...I like someone who is prepared.

    Go Hillary!

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:43 PM

  40. nope, alpha, Bill Clinton won Florida by winning the Cubans

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:44 PM

  41. isn't that what she just said?

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:45 PM

  42. oh brian, the guy is no less full of crap than hillary or mccain. the establishment has won this election and that's why i'm watching American Idol

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:45 PM

  43. Lush,
    I didn't notice it, but you're right. She's looking at him like she use to look at Bill. Sayyyyy. You don't think? Nah....

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 8:46 PM

  44. sorry I mean - about learning a foreign language.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:46 PM

  45. I'm not so sure about tossing Florida away. Yeah, people may be mad, but it's nothing that a few million in ads, appearance and a great ground game can't overcome. We in California as used to our primary votes not counting, mainly because the nom is normally done by the time we vote. And we vote Dem every election.

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:46 PM

  46. "nope, alpha, Bill Clinton won Florida by winning the Cubans"

    Um, Craig, Cuban's can't vote in US elections ;)

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 8:48 PM

  47. When they ask a question, Hillary answers the question, Barack talks for while about stuff -then answers the question.

    I see that difference in business all the time... I just want the answer, I guess it's a stall,or a way of propping themselves up, but I have always preferred an answer when I ask a question.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 21, 2008 8:48 PM

  48. dnd

    uh huh...ohhhyeahhhhh...LOL!!

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:48 PM

  49. Craig Obama has only one task at tonights debate to win it, look presidential, he's succeeding. At this point Obama has won the debate. Hillary was a little slow coming out of the gate.

    And really Craig watching American Idol is not something one should boast about!

    (sticking my tongue out emoticon)

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:48 PM

  50. JoAnne just thrown off -- lousy version of "Say a Little Prayer for You"

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:49 PM

  51. MSNBC reported earlier that John McCain has a ferret. He can't be all bad.

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:50 PM

  52. John is being a pot stirrer.

    LOL

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:51 PM

  53. It looks like BHO is sleeping

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:51 PM

  54. ha, dnd, cubans are americans too -- at least that's what they think in Dade County

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:51 PM

  55. WTF is he writing???

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:52 PM

  56. point to Clinton

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:53 PM

  57. I think he actually WAS asleep

    hahahahaha

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:54 PM

  58. well, yes, alpha, you are right -- obama will have to spend a lot more time and money in florida to win it -- but hey, he rules Idaho

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:54 PM

  59. Dang, Obama's taking credit for the Sun rising in the east!

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:55 PM

  60. I liked the shot of Watson or whatever his name is - he's trying to memorize Obama's accomplishments for his next MSNBC interview.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:55 PM

  61. ok - point to Obama

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:56 PM

  62. "delusional" Great come back on Obama's part. You're not attacking me, you're attacking the people who voted for me!

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:56 PM

  63. Wow, Barack just threw a haymaker.

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:56 PM

  64. Colton Berry, the redhead, just got dumped

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:56 PM

  65. More than a million dollars Craig?

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:56 PM

  66. "When they ask a question, Hillary answers the question, Barack talks for while about stuff -then answers the question."

    Burrito,
    Pay close attention. Don't let your bias cloud your listening. They both are responding to questions with essentially the same answers. With essentially the same amount of bloviating.

    I think it's a sign of CC's political acumen that he's watching American Idol.

    I'm beginning to think that most who are watching the debate are doing so for the same reason most watch NASCAR: not to see who wins, but to see if there's a big crash.

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 8:56 PM

  67. I love you for that Wendy!

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:56 PM

  68. SMACK DOWN!

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:57 PM

  69. He mentions all the divisions except one - gender

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 21, 2008 8:57 PM

  70. uh oh - here we go

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:57 PM

  71. uh oh - here we go - only two

    he obviously hasn't been looking at YouTube the last few days

    Ooops

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:58 PM

  72. SMACK DOWN 2 "silly season"

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:58 PM

  73. Burrito - good catch.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 8:59 PM

  74. Gore won the popular vote, loss FL and would have won had he just won his own state of TN. O man will win more States than Gore. and probably FL too. He'll seat the FL delegation because he'll have it sown up by then

    Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:00 PM

  75. Craig
    How about having a debate in which only the candidates shoes are visible? This would remove most visuals except shoe size and focus our attention on what they are saying. I know Larry Craig would be very supportive of my idea.

    Posted by: Eider | February 21, 2008 9:00 PM

  76. cant decide what i look forward to the least -- four years of Obama's crooked index finger or Hillary's puffy cheeks. McCain's skin cancer not so bad by comparison

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:00 PM

  77. Didn't her advisers tell her that this line didn't work? It makes her look petty?

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:00 PM

  78. let's get reeeeeeaaaaady tooooooo ruuuummmmmmble!!!!!!!

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:01 PM

  79. here comes YouTube.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:01 PM

  80. YES, elder, that would get me to switch from American Idol -- Boyz II Men on now

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:03 PM

  81. Good to get away from the pseudo-plagiarism. That was a loser for Hillary.

    Posted by: EdVB Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:03 PM

  82. I've noticed this before - he can't stand it - he's always putting up his finger - like let me talk now let me talk now - she never does that to him.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:03 PM

  83. who knew that John McCain's sex life would turn out to be the most interesting thing about this race

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:05 PM

  84. Second round goes to Obama, she almost had it because of the health care question, but he rescued it by saying if you can't get it passed what does it matter.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:07 PM

  85. You know, I feel kinda bad for McCain. It seems to be a bit of smoke and mirrors. But every time they put up the lobbyist picture, I keep thinking "well, she does look like his type". LOL

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:09 PM

  86. I think I've figured out the stare. That's just a set-up. It has Hillary perfectly still, so Obama becomes disconcerted, when all of a sudden she turns her head and writes something down. If it happens again watch for him to stammer a little when he notices her making a note.

    Posted by: EdVB Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:10 PM

  87. Right on - watching online - someone made up their mind to vote for Hillary based on tonights debate.

    Good job Hillary!

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:10 PM

  88. well from what i've seen HIllary is giving it away -- think i'll start pondering McCain's cabinet

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:11 PM

  89. Audience = too many cattle, not enough hat.

    Posted by: EdVB Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:11 PM

  90. The raising his finger thing. Real men don't ask permission to go to the bathroom.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:11 PM

  91. Craig, such a bad sport!

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:12 PM

  92. What she's doing is fair - it was BS they wouldn't let her respond because lord knows they let him respond when he throws up his stupid finger.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:12 PM

  93. Great point and good for her to give John Edwards credit

    Point to Clinton!

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:12 PM

  94. pitbull vs two ferrets(24secs)

    hilarious!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gg_bqbD7Us&feature=related

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:13 PM

  95. no sport, Brian -- just years of experience watching Democrats go left and lose

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:13 PM

  96. Just got back from dinner. I may be watching the rerun don't know as I just turned it on. Immediate impression. He is in love with his own voice and she is being way to deferential.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:15 PM

  97. She's cleaning his clock on healthcare.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:15 PM

  98. WooHooo

    Clinton WINS on Health Care!

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:15 PM

  99. would you care to place a bet Craig on who the next president will be? nothing extreme, say a hundred bucks?

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:16 PM

  100. Oh ho so he will FINE people if they don't have insurance when they get to the emergency room. IOW, their health care plans are virtually the same. The question is when does "mandatory" set in.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:16 PM

  101. geez, if Ted Kennedy keeps on singing in Spanish, Obama might even lose his base in Idaho -- or was that Barbara Bush? hard to tell the difference anymore

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:16 PM

  102. Wendy!
    Well Hillary is raising her finger too. Unfortunately it's not her index finger...

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 9:16 PM

  103. dnd - LOL

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:17 PM

  104. Obama doesn't have any pets. Every President has had at least one pet while they were in the White House. He needs a dog or something.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:17 PM

  105. Nah, same old argument: Hillary imposes a health care system on me. Obama: i get to keep the health care I already have and get a discount.

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:17 PM

  106. Craig,
    That post for Elder...was that for me, Eider..as in sea bird, eider down? Wearing your glasses tonight? While I my be an elder, I'd prefer to be Eider here. Eider here or there or anywhere.

    Posted by: Eider | February 21, 2008 9:18 PM

  107. Obama's girls get a dog if he goes to the White House.

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:19 PM

  108. Alpha, You would get to keep your health care that you have now under the Clinton plan. It would probably be cheaper than what you already pay.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:19 PM

  109. As I mentioned earlier...John McCain has a ferret...he gets my vote!!

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:19 PM

  110. good evening all.

    Have we seen a Moolah moment yet?

    Posted by: dog's eye view Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:19 PM

  111. Saw a program about presidential pets the other night. The Clintons have 2, I think; the Obamas have none, I think; the McCains have 22 - dogs, cats, goats, ferrets, etc. And that's the reason I can only say 'I think' when I talk about what the Clintons or Obamas have for pets. I was so blown away by the thought of a first family with 22 pets in residence (I'm sure they really wouldn't be in residence!?!) that I forgot what was said about the other candidates' pets....

    Posted by: harborwoman | February 21, 2008 9:20 PM

  112. yea alpha and then when you go to the emergency room because you CHOOSE not to have insurance...you get fined before you get treated

    Good luck with that!

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:20 PM

  113. Think Teddy Roosevelt's kids had a boatload of pets too

    Posted by: dog's eye view Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:21 PM

  114. Alpha,

    Where'd you dream up that idea? Unless I've slept through something, she's not forcing anyone to buy coverage, who already has it.

    Posted by: EdVB Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:21 PM

  115. I watched that on the morning news the other day , Harbor. Obama's girls get a dog if he goes to the White House. He'd better win or else his girls will be disappointed.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:21 PM

  116. But he voted to keep the soldiers there and has exactly the same record as Clinton since entering the sentencing.

    It's okay to say "I was right" when you didn't have to vote. But you can't take credit for being an office holder while doing it.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:21 PM

  117. blah blah blah blah Obama didn't vote on the issue blah blah blah - high and mighty -

    Really - you didn't vote on that issue - what you lead a anti-war rally

    good for you.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:21 PM

  118. Maybe the Clinton campaign has a "Scandal Bomb". Only drop it on Obama if necessary.

    Posted by: GORDO | February 21, 2008 9:23 PM

  119. REad up on the Presidential household pets. I love the story about the pony that went upstairs to visit a sick child.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:24 PM

  120. I got a book for Xmas from somebody on presidential pets
    in fact it's sitting right here on my desk

    any questions as to who had what?

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:25 PM

  121. dog's eye view, no moolah moment, she's playin it safe, losing pretty

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:25 PM

  122. Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:25 PM

  123. wait - it's just First Dogs

    any questions?

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:25 PM

  124. He's full of it on this issue - only the younger really liberal left wingers will care about the speech he gave at the anti-war rally.

    He won't beat McCain on Iraq - but he can HOPE.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:26 PM

  125. Craig...Exactly what I was thinking earlier...she's chosen the route of 'losing pretty.'

    Posted by: harborwoman | February 21, 2008 9:27 PM

  126. Obama's finger makes me think of E.T. "Obama phone home!"

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:27 PM

  127. Good God! He's making another speech. Just answer the question!!!

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:27 PM

  128. God damn he's kicking ass tonight. I can't wait to see him destroy McCain in debates.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:28 PM

  129. I will say that either dem would probably kick McCain's butt on the economy - he's going to have to pick his running mate wisely - someone who is an economy hawk.

    Romney?

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:28 PM

  130. I think most of the McCain pets are fish and turtles. They only have one ferret, which is sad, because ferrets get lonely...they need to be with other ferrets.

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:30 PM

  131. I remember when Edwards kicked ass in the debates.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:30 PM

  132. My man's kicking A$$. Moolah's pinned

    Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:30 PM

  133. the opinion meter really dinged Clinton on the plagiarisms issue. It's funny but it's time to drop it.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:30 PM

  134. Craig: Not that they read or care what I think but I did e-mail the campaign this morning and told them that my vote was to "lose pretty" per Craig Crawford. Sorry to all the fighters out there.

    BTW: I am counting on y'all for the play-by-play...my heart can't take watching it for real tonight so keep the narrative coming. Plus I am helping my son finish his application to study Arabic abroad this summer in Morocco. Ugh!

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:32 PM

  135. ouch - earmarks

    I can provide you with a pamphlet

    ummm cuz - we disclosed but I don't remember...ummm

    I'll e-mail you dude.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:32 PM

  136. "ferrets get lonely...they need to be with other ferrets."

    And the females MUST be spayed or they will bleed to death if not mated. Not an easy pet as they can be destructive, but very, very sweet.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:33 PM

  137. Yeah, she's losing pretty. NOW, this is where I think sexism comes into play. A woman hitting hard will be picked apart as being shrill and "bitchy". So she's a bit trapped.

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:33 PM

  138. Good answer on McCain Hillary

    Even Obama supporters have to give her credit on that one - she got McCain

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:35 PM

  139. I've always wanted to go to Morocco.

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:35 PM

  140. Back to the future with a 90s economy.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:36 PM

  141. Alpha - wow - you make a good point - you usually don't take up her cause - but I agree with you on that one.

    perhaps as Craig has noted she's anticipating President McCain and setting her sites on 2012.

    Good answer on unified Dem party - and she might convince me to vote for him.

    ummm...Obama...what about MI and FL counting?

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:37 PM

  142. well neither one of them looked like presidents, about as authentic as high school debaters angling for points -- thinking back to how mccain gutted romney in their last debate, dems should not be overconfident

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:37 PM

  143. Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:37 PM

  144. I've decided that caucuses are by their nature undemocratic.

    Sheesh ... she did gracious. He's doing another damn speech about health care!

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:38 PM

  145. She got hurt in that super delegate question.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:38 PM

  146. Alpha: He will go to either Marrakesh or Casablanca IF he is selected. The competition is fierce. My son is lucky enough to attend one of the approximately 20 high schools in the US that teaches Arabic.

    I would love to go too but I don't think my son would think that was very cool.

    Posted by: Ally Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:38 PM

  147. Craig I see a log cabin in your future.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:40 PM

  148. OMG is she going to cry?

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:41 PM

  149. Craig

    I "almost" have to let you have that one if the nation weren't so sick unto death of the Republicans and McCain wasn't so darn old (sorry it's showing)

    Right now we have a divided Democratic party. Those need to be bridged in order not to have sit at homes.

    She would be the best president. He will probably be president.

    Damn the man is rude. She doesn't write when he is speaking.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:41 PM

  150. Ally..you would at least have to go visit him. 8)

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:42 PM

  151. I remember watching the Travel Channel and they showed an American who lived in Morocco permanently. Right off a main square, and it seemed so beautiful. I've traveled around the world, but I really want to see a beautiful sunset in Morocco. Good luck to your son.

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:42 PM

  152. Standing ovation for Hillary!!

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:43 PM

  153. Brian,

    No wonder you are enraptured. He's as rude as you are.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:43 PM

  154. Her close was a pathetic attempt at sentiment, ever feminist should be outraged by her closing.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:44 PM

  155. well i'll be damned, she just conceded the race

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:44 PM

  156. That's what I thought too Craig

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:44 PM

  157. Hillary 2012!!!

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:45 PM

  158. It's all over but the crying. I mean that figuratively.

    Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:45 PM

  159. At last she went out with dignity and grace.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 21, 2008 9:45 PM

  160. Craig,

    You are right. Everything I've heard since coming home was her acknowledging that he was the likely nominee.

    It doesn't change the fact that that is the nation's loss.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:46 PM

  161. If I could afford a hearing aid and if I were able to turn it up, I would love to know if with dem candidate talked about health care for us over 40 yet under 66 crowd. I realize education, children, seniors and the like are important, but they are not the only thing I am interested in. (and I must admit, I might need that hearing aid from too many rock concerts vs. ipod use.)

    Canadian bloggers, how do you all accomplish your health care system? How easy is it immigrate to Canada?

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:46 PM

  162. Jamie,
    "Damn the man is rude. She doesn't write when he is speaking."

    Yes dear, she does. And that's not rude. Just standard practice in a debate.

    Admit it you're prejudiced. Against the left-handed ;)

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 9:46 PM

  163. "Gore won the popular vote, loss FL and would have won had he just won his own state of TN."

    Rez....here in Tennessee I can tell you that the national media cost Gore this state and handed the election to Bush, just like they are handing the nomination to Obama. Makes you wonder.

    Posted by: Patsi | February 21, 2008 9:47 PM

  164. yep, and Brian's gloating is the most telling sign of all for November

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:47 PM

  165. Craig- I hope your wrong because if your right...we've got 4 more long years of GOP rule ahead of us.

    Posted by: Gidget Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:47 PM

  166. My wife and I keep commenting that Bill is the one who torpedoed her campaign. Her final comment reminded me why I once liked her. But she couldn't contain Bill. And she couldn't get her campaign to run a strategy that was consistent and truly reflected her voice. Instead, they ran as a front runner and thought they could simply bludgeon the rest of the contenders. After Feb. 4, they were lost. Anyone disagree?

    Posted by: alpha1906 Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:49 PM

  167. Sorry for the typo "with" should have been "any" and long day in the judicial system. Oh...maybe I need to be watching American Idol instead.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:49 PM

  168. uh huh, Gidget

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:50 PM

  169. President Bloomberg

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 21, 2008 9:50 PM

  170. I was surprised that the wind from New Mexico kept flapping their paper pads. And what happens with those pads???

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:51 PM

  171. *does his happy gloat dance around the blog*

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:51 PM

  172. I am sitting here with my retro Hillary t-shirt on, and I "know" she was the best candidate for the position.

    I am in many ways happy for her that she did not win....oh, I know it isn't really over yet....but barring some miracle we can all see the writing on the walls.

    The next president has so many problems, and not so easy to fix problem.....who will be sacrificed? Obama or McCain?

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 21, 2008 9:52 PM

  173. don't worry everyone - don't let them scare you - the liberal judges will stick it out for 4 more years.

    Remember when Sandra Day O' thought Kerry was going to win in 2004 - she was pissed that she couldn't retire.

    Bush won - she retired.

    We'll all just keep our fingers crossed that none of the liberal judges kick off in the next 4 years.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:52 PM

  174. " ever feminist should be outraged by her closing"

    Gee, should I listen to Brian explain what feminists ought to think.....or should I set my hair on fire and put it out with a brick?

    Posted by: Patsi | February 21, 2008 9:52 PM

  175. "Against the left-handed ;)"

    Nope Ex who I still rather like even after 35 years divorced and my son whom I love a lot are both lefties.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 9:52 PM

  176. Alpha I thought Maine was her Waterloo, when she couldn't hold a solidly blue collar state like Maine (a state with two female senators I might add) she lost the nomination.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:53 PM

  177. Patsi - I personally would go with the latter.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:54 PM

  178. Maine is also amazingly white too!

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:54 PM

  179. *hands patsi a box of wooden matches, and a brick*

    Knock yourself out honey!

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:55 PM

  180. Maine...how do keep you whites so amazingly white...geez, Brian, you sound like a laundry commercial.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:56 PM

  181. "Her close was a pathetic attempt at sentiment, ever feminist should be outraged by her closing."

    Not so sure. As one of the blog's contrarians, I think it was a calculated strategic move. Desperate? Perhaps. We'll have to see how it plays out. Just might work.

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 9:56 PM

  182. She still finished ahead of Edwards!

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:57 PM

  183. that's exactly my point dnd, using cheap sentiment to get votes, YUCK!

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:58 PM

  184. LOL @ Corey

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 9:58 PM

  185. Politic as usually will continue.......*yawn*.........

    It was fun while it lasted.................


    Good point Corey!

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 21, 2008 9:59 PM

  186. One person's cheap sentiment is another one's faux hope

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | February 21, 2008 9:59 PM

  187. " ever feminist should be outraged by her closing"

    Brian, Unless you have decided to become a woman. Shut up. It would be nice if you let the feminists speak to that. It takes a lot of strength as a woman to deal with a difficult marriage. It wasn't a plea for sympathy it was a claim to courage under pressure.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 10:00 PM

  188. Craig...re: your 9:44 post...I thought so, too. I thought she very gracefully and graciously paid homage to Obama and his campaign, and all but conceded the race in doing so. She may have chosen to 'lose pretty', but it was a beautiful moment for her.

    Posted by: harborwoman | February 21, 2008 10:00 PM

  189. I think if Edwards would have won they would have had to change the name of the Presidential plane to "Hair Force 1". That reminds me , I'm getting my hair cut tomorrow morning.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:01 PM

  190. BTW I thought Obama was debating more with Ohio in mind than Texas. I'm willing to bet that he's got internals showing him breaking ahead in Texas.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:01 PM

  191. Brian,
    I take it you do not "know" any military families.....I think that the victims of Bush's Iraq plan would beg to differ with your attempt to marginalize their sacrifices....by saying what Hillary said was "cheap sentiments."

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito | February 21, 2008 10:02 PM

  192. Corey,
    "She still finished ahead of Edwards!"

    Yup. Finished ahead of Richardson, Biden and Dodd too. Probably the best the dems had to offer.

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 10:02 PM

  193. Don't tell me to shut up Jamie, find another way to lick your wounds, may I suggest cranking up the Peter Allen.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:03 PM

  194. Cheer up, everyone!!!

    (standing on my chair and belting out...)

    The sun'll come out
    Tomorrow
    Bet your bottom dollar
    That tomorrow
    There'll be sun

    Just thinkin' about
    Tomorrow
    Clears away the cobwebs,
    And the sorrow
    'Til there's none

    When I'm stuck with a day
    That's gray,
    And lonely,
    I just stick out my chin
    And grin,
    And say,
    Oh

    The sun'll come out
    Tomorrow
    So ya gotta hang on
    'Til tomorrow
    Come what may

    Tomorrow
    Tomorrow
    I love ya
    Tomorrow

    You're always
    A day away


    8)

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:03 PM

  195. well, I wonder if tonight put the dream team idea to rest

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:04 PM

  196. Yeah DND , I liked Biden.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:04 PM

  197. KGC-
    Exactly...I am having a flashback...we were so anxious to have change in 1976...and we're there again...Obama has all the potential of being the next Jimmy Carter..been there...done that.

    Posted by: Gidget Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:05 PM

  198. Linda I see you're no stranger to cheap sentiment!

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:06 PM

  199. dnd

    "Just standard practice in a debate. "

    She writes a brief note and then looks at him attentitively. He writes and looks down through her whole answer.

    He is arrogant, rude, and rather insufferable. He will probably be president. If we are lucky, she will be
    VP so that there will be some wisdom nearby for him to rely upon.

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 10:07 PM

  200. I'm not outraged - she has spoken many many times that she is proud to have at least been part of the moment - the first African American - the first woman to have a shot.

    Craig is right - she was conceding the race. Sad for those of us who want her to fight to the bitter end. But I do give her credit for putting her party before herself. The Obama supporters should be thanking her rather than banging on her - she's letting Obama go and focus on McCain - and with the so called "sex scandal" it's damn good timing.

    Posted by: Wendy! Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:08 PM

  201. LL

    Yesterday
    All my troubles seem so far away
    Now it looks as though they’re here to stay
    Oh I believe in yesterday

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:08 PM

  202. ...or Broadway shows!!!.. ;)

    Posted by: LushIsLinda Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:08 PM

  203. "cranking up the Peter Allen."

    Which album. I have them all

    Posted by: jamie | February 21, 2008 10:08 PM

  204. I sure think you have a lot of class, Wendy...and I agree with Craig (as I usually do). But (and I wonder how many times each candidate used that), it is not over just yet.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:10 PM

  205. " may I suggest cranking up the Peter Allen. "

    And you, Brian, might consider just dragging out the crank. You'll need to replace your pot for the next four years.

    Posted by: Patsi | February 21, 2008 10:11 PM

  206. Tomorrow feelers about the VP slot will be going out to the Obama people.

    Even though I don't think Hillary is the best person for the VP slot, I do think he has to offer it to her.

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:11 PM

  207. Patsi isn't it hard to type with your hair on fire?

    Posted by: Brian In NYC Author Profile Page | February 21, 2008 10:12 PM

  208. Jamie,
    "He is arrogant, rude, and rather insufferable. "

    Some would say the same of Sen. Clinton. Not me. Particularly not tonight.

    Posted by: dnd | February 21, 2008 10:13 PM

  209. Blonde - from your mouth to . . .

    I'll stand with her till the day she gets up and says congratulations to Obama and I'm suspending my race