Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

McCain calls it straight talk......I call it "mealy-mouthing".

From Mitt ad.....

"I grew up in Michigan when Michigan was the pride of America."
---Mitt Romney

When was that exactly......I missed that somehow......does he mean because of the stupid cars? or was it Motown Records.......

by the way.....the ads I've seen here in SC have all been positive .......I guess they leave the negative stuff for those engaged in the backdoor nasty pushpolls.....

That Young Turk's clip was right in line with my thinking and I just loved the black guy's commentary. The "Race Card" is actually being played the Obama team not the Clintons. It is a political ploy and unfortunately a lot of the media is going to fill air time with it. It just proves both sides are rough players and the Republicans had better watch their knee caps.

For the primaries and caucuses, the voters need to pay attention to the qualities of the candidates that are closest to your own and not listen to the noise.

Jamie,
"qualities of the candidates that are closest to your own "

Well since most of the candidates are lying weasels who will do or say ANYTHING to win, it's difficult to find a candidate with qualities that are close to mine ;-)

Renee,
GO PATS! Your boy Brady had quite game last night.

Awwwwwwwwww dnd

You're just being too darn fussy!!!

Has the MTP interview with HIllary shown on the East Coast yet or is it coming up there in 15 minutes like it is here?

Sometimes it isn't a good idea to be loved. :-)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7851.html

"...most of the candidates are lying weasels who will do or say ANYTHING to win..."
_________

dnd'

I couldn't agree with you more!!

I believe, in order the be elected, all politicians say what the voters want to hear. Once elected, they do W(hatever)TF they want . We, as voters, have no recourse.

I learned this lesson the first time I voted for Bill Clinton.
I actually believed that he was the candidate for real "change"...that he would bring health care to all Americans and that he would "allow" gay people to be in the Military.

In '96, I still had faith in BC, so I voted for him again(fool me once...).

These days, I think I prefer "straight talk" to "sunny optimism". :(

The Bob Herbert column that Russert used to open the show

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/opinion/12herbert.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Hey RRenee

Yeah...how 'bout them PATS!!

I am normally not a PATS fan, but I really want them to go 19-0.

The reason, you ask???

IMO, it is time for the Miami record to be broken.

Also, I can think of nothing funnier than watching Mercury Morris have, yet another, whiney meltdown on national tv(to be replayed hourly on ESPN...LOL!!).

mornin'all.

Thought I'd say hi - had to come in and get a few things done before hopping over to the Big Apple tomorrow.

Sturg, Romney probably meant the motown angle - even though I doubt he's be all that taken with motown music given his background and the fact that he was leaving MI about when Motown was getting huge. But I do know that my WWII navy vet, mechanical engineer in the US steel industry bought a VW Beetle in 1963 when Romney was 16 and still growing up in MI.

Anyone know whether the dems' names will be on theMI & FLballots although they aren't campaigning there?

pogo,
Clinton, Dodd, Kucinich and Gravel. Everybody else removed their names, though at this point that reduces to Obama.

http://www.vote-mi.org/BallotCandidates.aspx?Election=20080115PMI000000MID

cars or motown, either way it was just dee-troit......"the pride of America" ?

Oy.

Well if you missed it, you need to see it.

Whether you are for her or agin her, Hillary held her own and then some against Russert.

Has he done a similar interview with Obama that I need to find to see if it was a hard hitting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXTOCA9NCxg

dnd & Lush..... or should it be Lush & dnd.... you know.... that women first thingy...... or is that now considered sexism....... hmmmmm..... ;0}

well..... anyhoo..... YES! the Pats won again!

Lush..... welcome to Patriots fandom.....
Tom Brady is HOT!

Answered my own question.

Russert interviewing Obama is from November 11

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/21737725#21737725

I haven't watched, so I don't know how tough it was.

Russert was a jerk about the "fairy tale" flack....he merely played the end of Bill's fairy tale sentence.....it was clearly dishonest of him not to play what Bill Clinton actually said......the whole sentence, that is, to see what exactly Bill said was a fairy tale....for all those folks to call it racism is clearly bogus when you see the whole clip, and Potato Boy was clearly a jerk to use it in truncated form........

MTP isn't on here for another half hour.....
I'll make sure I miss it just like I do every Sunday morning.....

time for breakfast......
see y'all later.....

Sturgeone

Agree and she didn't let him get away with it. It will take some heavy cutting and framing to make her look bad because she was in his face every second of the interview.

He worked from notes. She did it all from her head.

Fred Astaire was dancing. Rogers was doing it backwards and in high heels.

In Re: "Sexist"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xF5TeHf5QQ&feature=related

Jamie.......yes, she hammered him back, but his framing it that way and playing the cut clip for no good or even discernable reason put her in a defensive position.....
It was not honest.

52 years ago today an all women's crew won the America's cup.

Patience is a good thing. :-P

Sturgeone,

It was dishonest. It was also great to see her slamming back and seeing him almost on the defensive going but, but,

He kept trying to color the statements to fit his story line and she wasn't letting him get away with it. It will be interesting to see Timmy's follow up commentary.

I think Voters in Michigan like voters everywhere are interested in the truth.

It is pretty clear the status quo isn't working there.
If anyone is promoting fairy tales it sounds like Mitt.

What's Mitt going to do??

Bring back the rambler?

jamie, I'm a pretty avid sailing fan, and don't recall an America's Cup defense in 1957 - there was one in 1958 - and don't recall an all women's crew winning it then. Which sport are you talking about?

ahhh......my first car.....nash rambler......sigh.

http://home.pcisys.net/~tim-n-lisa/hpnash/duncan5_rambler.jpg

me too (it was really my mother's)

Pogo, Would you believe 1995

There was a misprint on my "This day in history" reference. Teach me to double check

http://www.a3.org/95_Crew_bios.html

My first car 1952 De Soto given to me by my aunt in 1961 and sold for $50 in 1964 now worth $11,000

http://www.cars-on-line.com/26768.html

MItt
"I will not rest until I bring back the 1950's"

So the Obama idea of no lobbyists is to have Tom Daschle as a campaign advisor

every member of the Daschle family is a lobbyist

The Obama campaign is full of humorless gits. (and weaklings Daschle and Kerry)

Sweet column: Obama, under media pressure, makes public some fund-raising events. Did not disclose fund-raiser with Gov. Patrick.
WASHINGTON — White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who is making transparency a centerpiece of his presidential bid, will now put on his schedule fund-raisers if they are in a public place, a campaign spokesman said Friday.

The move comes after I wrote last Tuesday in my blog how Obama was starting another round of fund-raising without releasing details — this time about events in New York, Boston and Chicago — and after the campaign was asked by the Obama traveling press corps to open fund-raisers to the press and disclose the names of hosts and amounts raised.

obama --sound and fury

kgc

Do you have a blog?

Sturgeone,

Not only was Russerts stunt dishonest, but to do so only 2 days after Keith Olbermann played then entire quote from Bill Clinton and then discuss it with Eugene Robinson of the WaPo, is outright dumb.

I realize that many more people will watch the MTP instead of Countdown, but Russert, in my eyes, irreparably damaged his reputation today. He decries politicians and their gotcha politics but he came off as nothing but a buffoon this morning.

I will be curious to see if he makes KO's worst persons list tomorrow.

I am more inclined to vote for Obama than Clinton but I won't hesitate to throw a fuck you Russert vote her way... Of course as I think of it, maybe that's what Karl Rove wanted when he fed Russert his interview questions today.

Lynn Sweet's blog

Jamie,
"He worked from notes. She did it all from her head."

Um, that's the way it always works on MTP.

And don't get upset about Russert pouncing on Hillary. He does that to everybody. That's his schtick. If he had the Pope on, you can bet there would be a "let's put this quote up for our viewers..." moment.

Bear,
"I won't hesitate to throw a fuck you Russert vote her way."
Hillary (and Mark Penn) are counting on it!

Today, Joe Johns (the recipient of two National Association of Black Journalists Salute to Excellence awards), in the middle of Wolf Blitzer's hand wringing basically told Blitzer that this campaign was pretty civil, and if you wanted to see actual racism, wait for the general.

" If he had the Pope on, you can bet there would be a "let's put this quote up for our viewers..." moment."

Russert, the professional Catholic? That's a laugh.

Sturgeon, Bear, KGC

It's good to see we are all on the same page about the Russert interview. We all have candidates that we favor and I believe once the nomination has been decided we will support that candidate. We don't need the media leading us down the race/gender/class path when I don't believe that is the intention of any of the campaigns and I hope the majority of the voters.

Sturg,
"cars or motown, either way it was just dee-troit......"the pride of America" ?"

I thought he was referring to the Indian casino in Mt. Pleasant. Or those party animals in Ann Arbor.

And forget motown. Mitt's gunning for the Nuge endorsement (get it, "gunning" for Ted Nugent's endorsement...)

Hmm....I wouldn't be against employing some toughness that walked close to dirty tricks against a Republican in the general, but somehow I find it out of place to try to meddle in other parties' primaries. Kos is trying to get Dems in Michigan to vote for Romney because:

"Romney is spending a lot of money on ads trashing his fellow Republicans. We want more of that money spent trashing his fellow Republicans. We want an unsettled field with Republicans fragmented and fighting."

I understand the sentiment.....but somehow the idea goes against the grain for me.

Having tried the high road, let me slither back to the low, and say that I heard something in the past couple of days that came straight from someone who worked in McCain's senate office....it will make an excellent bomb on his parade if he's the nominee. (No, it isn't a sex thing.) But I hope to hell these two guys keep on blabbing.

Isn't the Kos suggestion meant as a joke? (a poor one perhaps)

Although it certainly would not be the first time people crossed over...it's why we do not have an open primary in California.

sturg

Romney's sons bought him a '62 Nash Rambler for his 60th birthday this year

Patsi

I don't know if it is the same thing, but McCain made a veiled reference to something that could come up ...

I imagine they are all dredging around in the muck on a "just in case" basis. Let's hope they don't start throwing mud just to be doing it.

Well, jamie, uh, America 3 didn't win the cup in '95, but it almost did (it had won it in '92, but it wasn't a female team then). Dennis Connor won the defender series against America cubed in '95 because of a tactical error - I believe they sailed into a dead spot - and Connor made up an almost 5 minute deficit - then went on to lose the Cup to NZ 0-5.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_3

FWIW, the women were the better team.

My favorite columnist, Ed Quillen, on the issue of experience:

http://www.denverpost.com/quillen/ci_7937865

Pogo,

Thanks for the correction. The History Book Club desk calendar is going to get a stern note from me. :-)

jamie, fire away at them. I couldn't believe something like an all female team winning the AC would have escaped me. I was among many of my friends from the sailing world who were pulling for them - despite his accomplishments in the saling world, I never much cared for Connor.

Spike- "JannBe School of Typing...

Tylonol ==> Tylenol -- My Bad..."

It's JEnnBe-- not JannBe

Okay back to catching up on my reading, lots of soccer and time spent earning webkins cash so my boys could feed their virtual pets this weekend.

Watched the Russert show on MSGOBAMA and they spent 40 minutes on the Dems and only 10 on the Reps.

Jamie,
"We don't need the media leading us down the race/gender/class path"

That horse is long since out of the barn. And don't forget the subtle (and not so subtle) subtext of religion. Romney and Huckabee were on FTN.

ps. As always Schieffer's commentary was priceless.

dnd,

My local outlet puts FTN on in the middle of the night. They need to sell worthless stuff to shopping addicts who haven't yet lost their credit cards on Sunday morning.

Just checked the on line interview of Schieffer on Schieffer ... very funny. I'll have to go back and watch the whole show once it is posted on line.

Well, sliding along - manana, maybe.

bri.. "i just flew in from chicago and BOY are my arms tired"

Bill Shaheen quite rightly payed the price for implying Obama was a drug dealer. I'll leave others to decide the merits of the argument that Clinton's comments were racist, but it's clear that Obama's campaign is pushing the story. Laundering arguments you don't want to make yourself through surrogates and hoping you don't have to take responsibility for them should not be an option available to candidates this time around.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/13/surrogates-should-stick-to-sex/#comments

Huckabee's people just called me. They talked about how he can be trusted to keep Bush's tax cuts , how he was a man for the common people and a Washington outsider. They urged me to vote in the Repbulican primary on Tuesday. Yeah , I'll get right on that.

Corey
I'm not invading your privacy so feel free to decline to state...but are you a registered Democrat?

No , not registered. But , I lean heavily that way. If I was registered , would that stop the Republican phonecalls?

thanks for answering
I was curious if he was calling Democrats to cross over in the primary...you would have to get an unlisted phone number to stop the calls (and even then ...)

From what I've heard is that Hillary is still on the Primary ballot here , but people are hoping voters will be undecided and not vote for Hillary. Also , from what I've read it's a battle between McCain and Romney for the Republican side in Michigan. Huckabee is a distant third.

Clinton made a mistake in not getting off the Michigan ballot.

this is the official statement from the Michigan Democratic Party

Hillary Clinton
Christopher Dodd
Mike Gravel
Dennis Kucinich
Uncommitted
Write-in

8. A vote for “uncommitted” is a vote to send delegates to the Democratic National Convention who are not committed or pledged to any candidate. Those delegates can vote for any candidate they choose at the Convention.

9. Supporters of Joe Biden, John Edwards, Barack Obama and Bill Richardson are urged to vote “uncommitted” instead of writing in their candidates’ names because write-in votes for those candidates will not be counted

This is nothing new for Russert. He has a long history of doing this sort of selective reporting. See TheDailyHowler for details.

You sharpies are ALL OVER the Russert./HRC thing.
Hillary Clinton, who I have dissed and written all kinds of nasty things about as late as...today!...has just about won me over to her side.
I am satisfied with her claim she would NOT extend time to David Petraeus , and would begin withdrawing troops in January, 2009.
With all my top choices out of the game, it is Hill & Bill for me, at least until I change my mind again!
Hillary just totally disarmed Russert a couple times...she was just great on MTP today.
Hell, I watched it twice! That's a first for me.

Good Gracious! Indy is out! Chargers stunned them , IN INDIANAPOLIS! 28-24.....

Correction: omit "The" Should be DailyHowler.com

If Obama drops one more "G" while giving a sermon, I'm going to recommend a redo at Harvard. :-)

dropping "g's" how Shrub

He is infinitely more comfortable with the cowboy persona he has adopted, the Texas transplant who has learned to speak the down-home vernacular. "Country boy," as Johnny Cash once sang, "I wish I was you, and you were me." Bush's accent, not always there in public appearances when he was younger, tends to thicken these days, the final g's consistently dropped so that doing becomes doin', going becomes goin', and making, makin'. In this lexicon al-Qaeda becomes "the folks" who did 9/11.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/08/halberstam200708

Hi Guys,

This is an answer for Pogo.

I voted Absentee for Michigan and so did My boss. We voted for OBama and his wife voted for Mc Cain.

His son's voted for Romney. They all went to school together.

Business as usual in Michigan.

In addition, BLoomfield Hills and Biringham Mi have the highest concentration of Millionaires and Billinaires per square mile in the U.S.
We also have the highest unemployment rate at 8.11 and rising.
We also have lost 30,000 people to other states with a better outlook.
Finally, we took were proclaimed #2 in the nation in Foreclosers last year....

I bet you ten cent to the dollar that the Dems will win the primary in Michigan . AND if that happens, we will also get our deligates recognised.

Obama's not on the ballot

Did you write him in? Did you know it won't count?
What did "they" tell you?

Kathrine,

I voted Obama anyway. I don't care. If he actually won, They would at least know how much concentration of votes they could get in the general.

That is how some will play it. Its like writing in Nader. ;0)

But I voted my conscience anyway.

BTW,

It was a great sermon. If you missed it on CNN it was about the "Joshua" generation standing on the shoulders of the "Moses" generation. He may have done it before, but this was the first time I heard it. It got lots of Amens from the congregation.

Thanks Sheila
just curious

Not Problema Kate!

My prediction is that there is NO WAY the Repugs are getting this one. Too far gone.

Street Cred??? It's called pandering.

One last thing concerning Obama's speech patterns. I realize that some of the way he talks is based on "Preacher Talk." Ok, but the problem that I have with this is that it was also the way MLK talked during speeches. Yes, I know he was a pastor. Here is the thing: Obama is not a pastor or minister.

When I hear him using this speech pattern, I think he is trying to get people to compare him to MLK. That is way over the top for me because he is nowhere near the same level as MLK.

This was the point that Clinton was making when she talked about LBJ and Clinton. She was basically responding to this implied comparison of Obama to MLK. Saying that is racist is as the Obama camp would say "ludicrous."

Jamie,
Yeah, Obama sounds pretty ridiculous when he drops those 'g's. So does Hillary's fake southern accent when she's down south. But by far the worst one is (drum roll please): Shrub. His brother doesn't talk like that (though he speaks Spanish beautifully). His wife doesn't sound like that. His daughters don't sound like that. None of the members of his Texas Mafia sound like that. WTF?

dnd

My grandmother was born in Texas and lived the whole first half of her life in Texas and Arkansas. SHE didn't have as much of a Texas twang as shrub.

Shelia,
I think the MI delegates will count too. Same for FL. But let's say they initially don't, and there's a three-way or two way tie when the dems meet in Denver in August. It'll be really interesting to see the possible maneuvering to make those delegate votes count if it'll make a difference.

When Hillary did the "I Aint In No Way Tired" speech she fell into an old trap. You should never, IMO, try to affect an accent, even when that's the way it was originally said. I once gave a talk in Denver that included some parts of Sojourner Truth's wonderful "Ain't I a Woman" speech. Although several others on that particular roundtable disagreed with my decision, I said I would deliver those parts in my natural speaking voice.

What double standard? I said she pushed the language button too hard. The criticism at the time was that she "invented the words" to go with the accent which she didn't.

Sheesh - I say something nice about Edwards and you claim I never say anything nice. I give Obama a compliment and I have a double standard.

Get over it. I'm in Hillary's camp. That doesn't mean I can't criticize her or praise her opponents or vice versa. Sorry but my knee doesn't jerk constantly.

Edwards has now joined Obama in playing the "Race Card" against Hillary.

I couldn't care less what black preacher accent Obama affected....but I do care that Rush Limbaugh has been broadcasting only that as part of his "what Obama is about" campaign.

Rush and his crowd will spend some time now drooling that Hillary Clinton is a racist (for actually knowing some civil rights history, not to mention the long established historical perspectives about what kinds of people effect change, when and how). Then, of course, by the time of the general, this whole campaign (I am hesitant to even call it a political "race" now) will be about Obama's being black.

Patsi,

You can expect that stuff from a Rush, but from Democrats and the MSM. It's rediculous!! Unfortunately, the majority of the voting public won't see any of the anlysis that we do on this blog every day. They will believe whatever the media is telling them to believe.

Gordo,
"Edwards has now joined Obama in playing the "Race Card" against Hillary."

I bet that hurts Hillary's feelings...

Here is the WaPo article about the conflict over the NV caucusing sites

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/12/AR2008011202834.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter

Black Entertainment Network founder Rob't L Johnson slams Obama in SC while campaigning with Hillary Clinton.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/bet-chief-raps-obama-in-sc/index.html?hp

Jamie,
Thanks for the WaPo link. I guess it's not surprising that Hill's powerful supporters would try to squash the union support for Obama, though I'm surprised Hill hasn't spoken out against it.

But what's really surprising is why the culinary workers union hasn't supported Edwards. Seems to me he's the most pro-worker of the top three dems. Isn't that the major thrust of his campaign?

The Culinary Workers Union wants real change.

The Culinary Workers Union endorsed Obama because of his support for the Culinary Workers against the hotels owners. This is a nationawide strike that has been going on for a number of years.
Apparently he has worked with the local in chicago
and walked the picket lines. Some of the locals have been on strike for a number of years.
It was not a vote of the union but the union executive board.

KGC

I heard they didn't poll the membership before the endorsement and that some of the members supporting Edwards and Hillary are a little miffed.

Do you know if this is true

The boycott of Multi Employer Group hotels continued through 2005 and much of 2006, while hotel workers continue working without contract. The settlement includes improvements in wages, pension benefits, health care, as well as card check neutrality at after-acquired hotels

Johnson was probably grinding his own ax (stupidly). There's a contingent in the black activist community (although I don't consider Robert Johnson an activist) who have a deep mistrust and dislike of Obama. It's the same ones who trashed my guy Harold Ford....and for many of the same reasons. They document Obama's business and lobby ties and carefully crafted machine that they believe is built on white guilt or whatever you want to call it. Often they put him in the category -- like Johnson did -- of an Oprah or Bill Cosby.

Added to their initial dislike, is the fact that some AA people felt that when they volunteered at Obama campaign headquarters during primary season -- at least in the early days -- they took a back seat to attractive young whites.

I know nothing personally about how Obama built his political machine, but I do respect the fact that it is formidible. I disagreed about their assessment of Harold. Even though both Obama and Harold were always in Lieberman's hip pocket.

So I'm still confused. Hillary gets the support of casino execs. She's the candidate of big business. Yet Obama is viewed as an elite appealing to the educated and well off demmycrats. Hillary's appeal is, according to the press, the less educated, "beer" set. There's some cognitive dissonance here.

Note: the above confusion is strictly about Nevada campaign.

jamie

yeah I think tha's true. Dog posted a story from one of the LV papers about this. And one of the unions proteges a member of the NV legislature has endorsed Clinton. It is a very interesting fight.
AFSCME has sent in 100 organizer for Clinton.
...that's alot. And the NEA is sending buses with vols from Cal for the a final push this weekend.

dnd

maybe you have your facts wrong.

KGC

The poll takers keep insisting that the split is college grads to Obama, undergrads or less to Hillary. White wine vs. beer. Young vs old ... seems odd, but apparently that's where the majority are. I guess I'll have to move to a trailer. :-)

BTW, If you want to figure out which class you are, here is a cute game:

http://www.pbs.org/peoplelikeus/games/index.html

KGC,
"maybe you have your facts wrong."

Facts are never wrong. Unless they aren't really facts, but opinion expressed to back a belief or a ideology.

My statement was based on what was reported in the WaPo link that Jaimie provided.

The post article said "she was the candidate of big business? the post article said Obama appeals to the elite demmycrats." really?

And the gambling issue is very complicated.

"There's a contingent in the black activist community (although I don't consider Robert Johnson an activist) who have a deep mistrust and dislike of Obama. It's the same ones who trashed my guy Harold Ford....and for many of the same reasons"

Patsi, I've seen this in my dealings as well. Some of the older folks who took a lot of slights and cruelties often feel as if the BUPIES got everything a little too easily even though those openings were what the older folks were working to achieve.

There's also often have the sense that the young fled the old ghettos leaving the older folks to endure the problems that went with deep seated poverty, education, and drug issues.

A great deal of this is perception and may be very unfair, but it exists and you just have to work your way around it until all the rough edges of race in America finally gets smoothed down and worked out.

dnd: "Obama is viewed as an elite appealing to the educated and well off demmycrats. Hillary's appeal is, according to the press, the less educated, "beer" set."

I don't get that eiher but the press seems excited to find labels....as far as big business goes, all you have to do is check and you'll find the two have the same huge business support. It was Edwards big business wanted to sink.

Robert Johnson is quite the character.
I'll be interested in his response if Obama calls him a racist.

I finally got around to watching today's MTP. To those who are emotionally attached to Sen Clinton, I can understand being upset. But in all fairness, I've never seen Russert treat a political guest so fairly. At the beginning of the program he gave Hillary six non-stop minutes to state her position. He NEVER has done that. NEVER! And he gave her the opportunity to be painted as a sympathetic/empathic candidate.

Hillary was well, if not overly prepared. She did great.

I think Russert is in the tank for Hillary.

Patsi,
".as far as big business goes, all you have to do is check and you'll find the two have the same huge business support."

You're absolutely right about that. And the money to both campaigns from the health care industry makes me really nervous about the future of health care.

I think business knows that the election is going the dems way this time..they're not stupid.. they'll belly up to the bar..

dnd -- If Hillary is the candidate -- and I say IF because I think Obama will be the candidate -- I think this trial by fire will have been the best thing that could have happened to a Hillary Clinton presidency.

I know there will be some snark back at what I am going to say. But screw it.

I think this woman has had some ill-thought criticism aimed at her backside over the years, and as I said back many threads ago....I was one of those who did it. Doesn't mean she did everything right. Doesn't mean she didn't deserve criticism, for example, for being too secretive about her health care plan. (She should have been savvy enough to include the press and cajole all kinds of folks....or....maybe that kind of savvy is just plain bullshit.)

For the first time since HRC got to Washington with her glasses and headbands and got body slammed, a LOT of people -- women and I believe some men -- stood up for her in a very public way. This was different from her senate race and anything else she's been through.

I think it did something to Hillary Clinton when she saw people come out and say screw you to all the ugly comments and premature burial glee.

For every criticism I hurled at Bill Clinton those eight years for not being as liberal as I thought he should have been -- I now have privately eaten George Bush crow.

I don't believe the Republicans are going to play nice. I think they know they are going to lose the presidency and so bipartisanship is their new God. I believe Hillary can deal with them without bending over and can govern. Doesn't mean I think she'd be perfect...but it does mean I think she'll be better because of this experience. That's why I'm solidly in the tank with her.

Good evening, Posse,

Here's the latest Intrade Presidential Futures data:

http://www.central.edu/publicdocs/01%2D13%2D08FuturesMarketGraphs.pdf

Headlines:

Republicans...Big news in the Michigan market...Romney takes a huge jump in support as McCain's support begins to falter. Romney and McCain are tied at the moment....Huckabee appears to be a non-factor....

Democrats...Obama continues to hold a lead over Clinton in Nevada....However, Clinton still holds onto the lead in the overall market.

Just a reminder....For Guliani to have a chance to beat McCain in FL, it would appear he needs a Romney win in MI and a Huckabee win in SC...

However, a Romney or Huckabee win just prior to FL might give either one of them the momentum they need to upset Guliani's plans in FL...

Its gonna be an interesting couple weeks....

"This all kind of reminds of a bunch kids on the playground, "Mommy Hillary said ......" "Mommy Barak called me a ......"

What does "this all" mean?

Okay...I will!!! Vote for Edwards, that is!

" Restore sanity to the process, "

AGREED.

wanna hear some "racist" stuff set to come down the pike? from C&L:
Karl Rove begins his racist smear campaign in the WSJ against Obama—and is not even subtle about it. He sends out the call to the right that this is where they will need to go to smear him.

"Her remarks helped wash away the memory of her angry replies to attacks at the debate’s start. His trash talking was an unattractive carryover from his days playing pickup basketball at Harvard, and capped a mediocre night."

What imagery does that conjure up for you? Oh, the days of playing some hoops with his posse and working on his slam dunk. Then he takes it a step further with more race baiting tactics:

"He is often lazy, given to misstatements and exaggerations and, when he doesn’t know the answer, too ready to try to bluff his way through. "

Rove couldn’t help himself and had to bring in the “lazy effect” to describe Obama. Don’t vote for him because he’s soooo “lazy”—just like all minorities. Did he say Obama had a “fence around his heart” somewhere in the op-ed?

There is no point in trying to debate whether Obama is “lazy” or plays “basketball” because that’s what the right wants us to do. They muddy the waters with endless canards knowing full well that the media will allow enormous amounts of time debating them instead of the issue at hand. “Was Valerie Plame even a CIA undercover agent?” is a typical example of this tactic by the right even after Gen. Hayden, the head of the CIA declared her one. And as we witnessed—the talking heads gave valuable air time to rehash this nonsense instead of focusing on the real issue of the outing of an undercover CIA agent.

Quite a list:
Eugene McCarthy, George McGovern, Mike Dukakis, Mondale, Al Gore, Howard Dean, John Kerry, etc etc.

all good men who would have been good presidents all, but instead were beaten down and kicked to the curb.

Why some think that Edwards or Obama would fare any better is quite beyond me.......this coming general election is TOO DAMNED IMPORTANT to lose to GOP slime and tear down tactics.......I want someone who wil WIN, and win decisively so as to prevent their stealing it yet again, and who will then proceed to take large chunks out of gop butt.

Clinton will be my vote.

As I've noted before the gop cannot afford to lose this one and will go to ANY length to win it.......anyone who thinks this election is in the bag for Democrats could very well be very wrong.......Wanna chance it?
I dont......I'd hate to have to move. If the gop wins the next one, Im outa here.......no mas.

and all this talk of "reachiing across the aisle" to "work together" with the other side is quite insane, given the last 7 years.....any democrat who attempts to reach across the aisle to the other side will draw back a hand full of bloody fingers......

After all the low flying mud of the weekend, Clinton is still the best choice and I lay most of that at the Obama camp door, but if I were her, I would blast Karl Rove out of the water for that one.

The sleeze merchant is trying to inject his poison into the Democratic primaries and she should spit and
bar b cue the SOB

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