Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Woo!

Here we goooo...to the really big shoooo!!!!

This is being broadcast around the world? Wow

Wolf sure is excited about the photographers

He's excited that its being blast around the world...I'm impressed. I wouldn't think a primary debate was that important.

Barack opening hit all the targets, but too long

Sheila...you have to remember the entire planet has also had eight years of GWB.

I wish they would hold the applause.

HRC leaning forward on her hands, interesting choice

already see differing styles: Barack inspirational, HRC conversational

Unbelievable! I would be proud to address either as President! This is an amazing time in our country, folks!

Bickersons? Sure, but perhaps a mixed marriage Ma and Pa Kettle.

This pair look like a pretty good ticket..
We might differ about the order.

Looks like business time for Hilary. A more relaxed pose.

I agree Bw...hold the applause

Sen. Clinton hasn't answered the first question. Will Obama do the same?

HRC slams first, but with a smile

A pretty good opening for HRC---but I am not impressed with BO's stories as a start.

quick aside: what is this "business time" running gag you guys are into -- i missed the joke in the beginning, i want in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN0oDnoc3-c

Business time... :)

God luv him, Barack does this in his town halls -- he talks too long -- but what senator doesn't, i guess

yeah i want in too :(

Come on Wolf--- implore the crowd to hold their applause--as it takes time away from the candidates!!

If you want to vote on the questions go here

http://www.politico.com/

So far, all is sweetness and light.

Come on Wolf--- implore the crowd to hold their applause--as it takes time away from the candidates!!

I'm glad they are getting time to explain.

ya know *smack* .. I really *smack* gotta Do something *smack* about my ****in sound card!

Craig,
"he talks too long "

Ya mean like Hillary's husband?

'Business time' is a song from the HBO show Flight of the Conchords. I am disappointed Craig...we were imagining you doing business time last night...in your cast, no less.

this is a luvvvv match

Last night I posted the definition of choreplay.

"choreplay"

When a woman is turned on by the sight of her husband/boyfriend/partner doing regular household chores, that she would normally be doing.
"Last night, it was all about choreplay. I was all 'OH YEAH, fold that laundry. Oh yes, just like that! In half and, then in half again. OHHH'"

LaL posted the "business time" video, in response!!

hmmm, still don't think i get it (business time). is it dirty? told you guys I usually don't get dirty jokes. I could work it into Imus in the morning as a secret howdy to you guys

i think it was lardass who was imagining Craig doing the nekkid cast dance.. and that got me thinking.. .

geez i went to watch that business time video, came back and barack is still talking

Bad answer on healthcare. You cannot have low rates without a large pool.

He's yacking all around the subject.

LOL secret howdy.. not I gotta clean the keyboard again..

BO-- talking tooooooo loooong---- and difficult to follow----
HRC----wonkish, but hitting the right buttons

he does like to yak

i get the cast off tomorrow -- hello business time

LOL

Well....there you go again.... ;0)

I actually enjoyed listening to Senator Obama. lol His Health Care plan made sense to me Jamie,,,,,

All I'm Sayin.

Now back to the debate.

Do you have black socks?

I think BO just lost the doctor vote.

i really think they're going to be civil tonight.. change the tone..

Somebody pull out a stop watch. I think Sen Clinton is talking as long as Sen Obama.

This must be some genetic defect with those in the senate...

hey craig? I dont think i ever heard..how'd ya break it?

Is it me---or does he stumble around trying to answer questions? And here we go again with the high falutin' "bringing everybody together" platitudes.......

He is tense and his blood pressure is up. She's drinking tea on a warm afternoon waiting for him to stop talking. :-)

Goliath..please dont say "here we go again".. reminds me of Reagan.. *shudder*

WOW, republicans cutting the ad now -- Where do you want to get health care? From your doctor or TED KENNEDY

I wish they could do a whole hour just on health care..the country needs to be education on this central issue..

Republicans...take the Ted Kennedy approach...drive-off that bridge when you get there instead of crossing it.

LOL

She's gone to school on that body language. He needs more time in front of the video cam.

hahahahaaaaaaaaaa that's the slogan for the entire campaign!! thanks wino!

both seem more concerned about not saying the wrong things rather than standing by or explaining the plans

"The health insurance industry is extremely clever and well funded. I know this."

Guess that explains all the contributions you've received...

i cant blame 'em, bri

LOLOL @ "i get the cast off tomorrow -- hello business time"

Good Funny, He deserved that applause line if only getting it said first.

If the Republicans choose to distort the "CHOICE" part of the plan, we'll have to point out the misrepresentations..

was that George from Seinfeld in the audience?

"was that George from Seinfeld in the audience?"

Yes. But he's supporting Kramer.

a pity that a people of this country are carried away by the media hype.

Compare the substance and there should not be a contest.

Peace

haha.. NOsoupforyou!

HRC goes negative on Rand Corp -- it's gettin nasty now

Craig..good news about the cast...do you have 'good ' health insurance?

I just googled Rand Corp..what's wrong with it?

so far we are
in
dullsville!!!!

dnd, good line about Kramer.

You know, Obama's plan fines people who could afford healthcare but do not have it. When they go to the ER, he said they would have to pay back premiums and their wages would be garnished until they paid for healthcare. Sounds pretty close to a mandate to me.

HRC nailed that one - "people did really well"

that is my memory of 1990s - may be people in Washington press club had bad times

Craig--negative? Nasty? Not hardly---a good exchange punctuated by a bit of spice which was right on the mark. But I gotta say--the audience is really bugging me.

dunno tylenol, but with that low-blow Rand slam maybe Hillary has laid the predicate for going negative on Caroline -- SCORCHED EARTH! Bring it on . . .

craig, craig.. you just like a good fight.. lol

dunno, tylenol, but now that she's slammed Rand maybe she's ready to go negative on Caroline ... SCORCHED EARTH! Bring it on ...

ooops HRC just lost the Lou Dobbs vote, no VP nod for him

a dear friend of mine who is a Partisan Democrat all his life shocked me with this statement last week:

He said that he is so disgusted by the media hype in this election that he will be rooting for whoever win the republican nomination in case Senator from illionois wins the democratic nomination

that was a shocker but i see his point

As long as she is saying good things about the Urban Institute who cares about Rand...

turn yourself in and be deported she didn't just run that by did she

BO is all over the map on this question---seems like his is trying to string together random thoughts. But on the other hand, answer the DL question, HRC

drivers licenses? why would she want to get into that again

TED KENNEDY alert -- that's Barack's second reference -- next GOP ad: Who do want guarding our borders? the National Guard or TED KENNEDY

Neither one of them have had good debate answers on DL's in the past.

Lion Blitzer isn't so cowardly...and U are right, Craig. Stay off the drivers license.

Woof is baiting them but so far they are not taking the bait.

Obama is campaigning on the driver's license in cal

any partisan democrat who is even toying with the idea of voting Rep this time around needs his head examined..

I am stupified! Neither answered the question about illegal immigration.

well, barack might have TED KENNEDY but hillary was the first to say JESUS CHRIST

I think they are allowing the applause because it is only the two of them and they have two hours to kill.

I saw meathead a couple of times in the crowd. He is quite the Democratic activist...puts his money where his miouth is.

LOL craig.. i thought they were one and the same..

Craig,

You make me laugh!!!

I think they both realize they are both doing well -- so they talk as long as possible. Have to keep the ball on their side and run out the clock

why does Barack keep raising his hand to speak next? he's the only other one there.

c'mon Hillary...take the gloves off

Holy Hollywood, Hillary!

this debate seems to lack any real focus ah at last a dig!!!

Obama takes big risk on driver's license issue
Carolyn Lochhead, Chronicle Washington Bureau

Monday, January 28, 2008

(01-28) 04:00 PST Washington -- Sen. Barack Obama easily won the African American vote in South Carolina, but to woo California Latinos, where he is running 3-to-1 behind rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, he is taking a giant risk: spotlighting his support for the red-hot issue of granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

It's a huge issue for Latinos, who want them. It's also a huge issue for the general electorate, which most vehemently does not. Obama's stand could come back to haunt him not only in a general election, but with other voters in California, where driver's licenses for illegal immigrants helped undo former Gov. Gray Davis.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/28/MNH1UL57Q.DTL&hw=driver+license+Obama&sn=001&sc=1000

Edwards just interviewed at the UNC college basketball game. He said , "By the way , if I wasn't here tonight...I'd be at the Democratic Presidential debate."

Obama Snarky attack. He is also not moving the side next to her ... rejection posture. He's even reach across his own body to avoid gesturing in her direction.

and the next GOP ad: Who do you want in charge of drivers licenses? Your state government or TED KENNEDY

BO--mentioning Bill Richardson too. Hmmmmm? He is clearly pandering to all the former candidates...

Come on Craig, take your socks off.

"I would be proud to address either as President! This is an amazing time in our country, folks! "

Exactly.

LOLOLOL @ Bw

Yep - all those quotes from Barach about Teddy will make great ads for the repugs if Obama wins

that was a great comeback by HRC
BO could not answer the question on immigration

good point

Okay commercial break. Congrats on getting your cast off Craig. I am still wearing a brace but today I walked most of the day without my cane. The musles are coming back and the leg doesn't hurt as much. Are you going somewhere for Super Duper Tuesday?

OK...now I have the "business time" earworm.

Everyone should have it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN0oDnoc3-c

Hillary is looking much more comfortable. Obama is a little stiff, as you noticed Jamie. (I also caught the snark attach about the "flip-flop" on licenses. What made it worse is when he says - I only bring it up to point out how difficult this issue is. Yea. Right.)

The first "recess"---- so far not exciting, but she is showing great knowledge and seasoning, as he is showing a bit of sophomoric agitation....

have the candidates said where they're going to be on SD tuesday? are they actually going to try to blanket some territory?

Craig --"why does Barack keep raising his hand to speak next?"

He's practicing to take the oath of office....And for the health of the rest of us, please leave your socks on (:>)...

How did he provide tax relief, as a community volunteer?

Hillary round one and finally deflects drivers license. Want to know how nice Hillary is towards Obama? She intentionally refuses to bring up Obama's failed bill to prevent worlers from checking status of workers. This would show a betrayal of Obama's pledge to McCain and Republicans to work out a "compromise". You figure out why she holds that fire.

Hey, he pulled out the chair for her....

aww cmon bri.. i got a great one.. "who do you want hunting for Osama? US forces or Teddy Kennedy??"

Craig just doesn't get it. He won't even watch "Business Time," even if he pretends he did. He's a crippled loser.

Meanwhile, Obama is totally playing defense tonight. Notice how he let Hillary take the lead on all specific policy stuff...and then he just responds to the points she has created. He can't create the points. He can only respond and spin and crowd-please.

Nice side step to the First Lady competency question

30 years ago!!! i just heard his name twice in this debate. Have you heard the GOPers already teeing off on this? They can't wait. If they don't get Hillary to kick around they'll get TED. couldnt be happier

gotta put my socks on and go dance for Abrams, back after show

ewwwwww (dance for Abrams)

kate Capshaw?

Craig: "If they don't get Hillary to kick around they'll get TED"

wouldn't it be easier to run Checkers?

socks on = business time...LOL!!!

(that's why they are called business socks!!!)

hi lardass :) nice to see ya

OMG -- Hillary kicks butt

good answer to the Romney assertion...."Govt is a trust, not a business". And Obama says "Amen"

Checkers reminds me of a story I heard.. when Nixon was campaigning, one of his favourite lines was "we just cant stand Pat" and his poor wife would stand there looking terribly dejected!

Hey...Josh is there...who's President Bartlet supporting?

Craig: "gotta put my socks on and go dance for Abrams, back after show."

That's a word picture I won't get out of my head anytime soon.

Here come the Kennedys...

Hi Ty. I've been making a fool of myself all nite way up the thread. But it's great to get the shout out. :)

HRC - Our country is a trust (Not a business).

great line

President Bartlett supported Bill Richardson.

Republicans have Ronald Reagan and Democrats have the Kennedy Klan.

Zoey-
Oops...I forgot...my bad.

2 shots

They brought up Teddy and Caroline! Give it a rest , people!

HRC is behaving more presidential than BO tonight: assertive, positive, factual, and relating to the middle class.

Trust time!

Gidget,
"...who's President Bartlet supporting?"

Bill Richardson.

http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/newsroom/pressreleases?id=0421

Kate Capshaw is an actress with an MA in Learning Disabilities. She is heavily involved in volunteer activities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Capshaw

Think she's married or was married to Spielberg... lots of money.

another shot

I just figured out how using permalink makes using this site much easier.I'm not too swift on the computer.
I'm proud of the quality of our candidates..

Obama "60% of new voters voted for me."

Yeah, but the party's never going to see them again...

Good cean-up line HRC!

Home run for HRC!

boy that was a ouch question great oneliner

Kate took Spielberg to the cleaners when they divorced.

boy that was a ouch question great oneliner

I wonder what BO writes on the pad....any thoughts?

Line of the night so far...

"It took one Clinton to clean up after the first Bush, and it might take another one to clean up after the 2nd one."

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH! Great line by HRC about cleaning up after Bush--did you see BO, doodling on his notepad, not sure how to react???

dnd-
yes....obviously I can't listen, type, and remember at the same time.

Oregon -- how does Permalink help? I have it on (I think) and it seems to be about the same

"It took a Clinton to clean-up after the first Bush. It will take a Clinton to clean up after this Bush."

The Sheen family is Hispanic. I wonder if that will take them to Clinton now that Richardson is out of the race. I understand Bill Clinton has a scheduled meeting with Richardson. That would be quite a double endorsement if he pulls it off.

HRC is doing very well

she is holding and trying not to go negative against bo

You can't respond to a line like that...He got saved by the commerical...

Clinton wins round two

Corey - Kate Capshow is still married to Spielberg. I think you are thinking of his first wife, Amy Irving.

Aren't Capshaw and Spielberg still married?

It was Amy Irving who got a big divorce settlement.

Corey...Spielberg is sitting right nest to Kate...you're thinking of Amy Irving.

That was the "I knew John Kennedy and you're not John Kennedy" line

Round two.

It took a Clinton to clean up the mess after the first Bush and it might take a Clinton to clean up the mess after the second Bush...

Round two Clinton.

Not one question not directly answered. Obama conceded that Hillary might be better in managing governement but that he brings in young voters. Yes, he's a great salesman. He had to eat his claim that Clinton Era was a backward slide to bad times and division. Bravo. He pointed to Iowa but Florida was a bigger turn-out which he avoided.

When forced to debate on facts everyone is watching, he loses his advantage.

"It took a Clinton to clean-up after the first Bush."

I don't think it's advisable in the Clinton clan to mention anything about Bill's peccadillo's....

Oh yeah! Nevermind! Oops!

i heard ya can make good soup with peccadillos..

This has been so sedate, my dog fell asleep on the couch while he was watching...

I thought it was Amy Irving that took Spielberg to the cleaners and that he and Capshaw were still together

Clicking on permalink immediately brings up updated messages..there were more steps before. I'm probably the only person who has had to start over each time to get new messages.

Forgive me for being shallow for a moment, but Hillary looks great tonight.

Is Tweety doing his interpretative dance tonight ?

Maxtrue - good summary. Barack gives a great speech - still needs to fine tune the details

Capshaw must have picked Spielberg UP at the cleaners after Irving took him there!

tweety dances too? double ewwww

Obama -- John McCain doesn't understand foreign policy....

Uh - oh -- set a date -- doesn't that bring up the weeds argument from last night? (Set a date and people wait in the weeds for us to leave.)

Well he kept her too busy to see a lawyer something like five or six children adopted and natural since the wedding. :-)

Barack needs new writers. I have heard some of these lines too many times.

The age difference between BO and HRC really doesn't seem to be a factor. I admire HIllary for campaigning non-stop and still be able to be so "on" at a debate. I would need to rest for a week before I wanted my tired ass on tv...HD tv, no less.

He's still not coming up with anything but slogan.

God, it's the Cleavers!!!!!!

they hate each other the perfect ticket

I think she just offered Richardson a new job.

OK - I guess this shows the talk is a little boring -- but do you notice that Hillary is wearing Turquise jewelry for her visit out west?

Clinton -- Good answer on making the Iraqi withdrawal a regional issue....Sounds like Wes Clark's "gordian knot" analysis of the issue.

Reminds me of the last Kerry - Edwards debate...only with a much larger crowd watching.

I was going to ask if anyone else thought it was a "coded" message to Hispanics?

She just invaded BOs space with that delicate little right hand ...

Amy Irving got $100 million frm Spielberg!

HRC on the message, not deviating

she is getting some tough questions

The lady questioner, Jeanne, has a voice that makes Hillary's voice sound pretty good.

Is Obama falling asleep?

Not so much the Bickersons tonight (Ithink that title goes to the load and Mika) maybe One Man's Family
Meets Ma Perkins

Carl Levin was the person who ramrodded the super-compressed primary schedule, and then got his state's party to jump into January....Not too many people's friend right now...

He knows he isn't doing well.

She may have voted for the war --but she sure has "balls" to not back down and when she speaks of the present condition, her command of foreign policy knowledge is admirable.

gawd the load was horrible this morning..

kicking ass and great answers are all the the eye of the beholder..

Spike

I thought the Dingell's also played a prominent role.

BO seems to be trying to catch up to HRC--who is light years ahead in this discussion........

Time for an Abrams break...Craig's on :)

I'm waiting for Obama to check hhis watch

Goliath -- "but she sure has "balls" to not back down and when she speaks of the present condition"

And at least she not saying that she voted against it before she voted for it...(or which ever way it went)

As far as the moving up of the primaries are concerned , the local news said "It just makes it harder to recover from a bad loss at a primary. No time in between. You just have to move onto the next state."

HRC knows who the real enemy is...the Republicans.

Why is Abrams talking about the debate before its over?

KGC -- "I thought the Dingell's also played a prominent role."

Levin was the head jerk at the meetings...

I love Hillary but why doesn;t she say..."Bush LIED"

head jerk.. now I knowww KGC could do something with that line..

a vote to "potentially" go to war == isn't that HER argument?

now who did you say, Craig, was ; long winded, Damn

Obama -- agrees that Clinton has the right experience to be president on day one, but he's got the right judgement.

hmmmmm

tylenol
Kind of speaks for itself.

Round Three -- tie....two different sides of the same coin.

KG..yeah..pretty much

seems to me all 3 rounds go to Dems.. they've been good tonight..

They are both commanding individuals, but I can't get past how his reasoning appears.......well.....juvenile when compared to her grasp of the nuances of policy-making.

Obama is grasshopper looking at teacher. Maybe she will teach him how to one day punch his way out of buried coffin.

(Kill Bill joke)

First round went to Hillary
Second round went to Hillary
Third round was a tie.

I wish the commercials were not making us miss parts of the debate..

super tuesday will bring surprise to self styled pundits

Hawk, Dove,...Flake

Hillary vs the Crazy 88

Hillary is very comfortable with herself, exudes confidence & most importantly she has a full command
of every issue. Tonite she exhibits presidential qualities, no doubt.

So far no effort to undermine her has worked, even the Iraq war vote.

Until tonite I have thought that pairing Hillary & Obama as the Dem. team would prove a disaster, after seeing
them side by side w/o the rancor that has been bubbling up, they just may be the right team to take back the white house.

Craig is doing well on Dan Abrahms

AB Stoddard is a shrill rightwing shill and frequent Fox guest and Tucker guest. She does nothing but reliably contribute gooper talking points as soon as I see her face I switch the channel.

Smarmy off-hand remark from BO about spouses........

Round three ended on Iraq.

Well, Clinton didn't bring up Piro who revealed Saddam clearly sent signals he was working on WMD as a ploy to unsettle Iran. To lay the blame of bad judgement at Clinton's feet is a stretch. Here, Clinton refrained from bringing up Obama's flip flop. in 2004. ANd no she won't apologize. So Obama is one of the few in America (in Chicago) that bet Saddam wasn't a threat, yet Saddam made clear to investigators sanctions were failing and he was going to get EVERY WMD. Would it be better to cap Saddam next week? So maybe the arguement should center around his judgement on Iran, Syrian and other places that presently are a threat. The policy? Clinton defends big stick and deiplomacy. Obama? What he managed was simply to focus on the past and shrink the issue on the vote for going to war. Quite Myopic.

Round three a draw.......and what if Iraq improves more before November?

Josh likes the idea of a dream ticket.

Finallly, the dream team question.

"dream ticket" - they could not resist the temptation

I have noticed during tonight's debate that Obama still has not caught on about issuing illegal immigrants a driver license.

First off the DL doesn't protect you should you be involved in an accident, that is cover by insurance. Many
of us who do drive have experienced that when we get into an accident, and should that accident be our fault, there is a better than 50/50 chance your insurance rates will go up, because insurance company base our premiums on our driving record. How are insurance company's going to set the insurance premiums of people who do not have a driving history? Are the insurance company's going to insure drivers who knowingly broke the laws of our country? If the are, are the insurance company's going to charge the
illegal immigrant the same insurance premiums as they charge you, a legal citizen of the USA? Is Obama planning to subsidize the illegal immigrant's insurance premiums? Drivers licenses are issued by the state, is the Obama plan now going to dictate that the state must issue these drivers licenses to illegal immigrants, or is Obama's plan to issue the illegal immigrant a national drivers license?

It is apparent that Obama has only given this issue scant attention, and has not thought-out all the serious ramification of issuing illegal immigrants a drivers license will cause.

HRC/BHO just need to announce they running together!!

Clinton/Obama '08 :)

Zoey-
I agree...which way?

I think HRC should answer....sure you would make a good VP!

um..max.. i know that 60 minutes interview said otherwise.. but sanctions were working.. inspectors time and time again found nothing.. and Sadam had no way of reconstituting..

Kumbaya, my lord. Kumbaya...
Kumbaya, my lord, Kumbaya....

Blonde-
Maybe not...it gives BO the ability to respond with JFK's famous response" I'm against vice in all forms"

He pulled out her chair for her....They like each other...they really, really like each other....

FryDaddy...good point about the DL

Gidget,
Josh is involved in a lot of activist projects and I have not heard who he supports for president, if he has said.

Spike...LOL...

Chelsea may have a new little sister in the oven before we know it!

Turn on, tune in, drop in!

Sounds like she was inviting everybody over to Trailmix!

Excellent Debate!!!!!

Kum Ba Yah, Kum Ba Yah

Zoey-
Since we seem to be the only WW fans here...
I'm just glad to see Brad there...I wish Jed/Martin had been there too...I want to believe he's with HRC.
~G

Good entertainment, good ideas, good people----Ya' got to be glad to be a dem tonight! In my final analysis, I agree with Lardass Liberal that it was grasshopper at the teacher's side---and he has much to learn, before he's ready.......

This debate was a love fest. I guess as this is the last debate before Super Tuesday they didn't want to offend anyone. Also I noticed not to many blue collar workers were seated in the front rows, the many many front rows.

Fry said
"Are the insurance company's going to insure drivers who knowingly broke the laws of our country?"

Well DUH!!!
They do now for crimes much worse than walking across the border and asking for a job.

lol
Jack

the tone was too civil, i think they know something we do not know

they may have poll #s

BO seems to be in surrender mode

I thought the "Clinton cleaning up after Bush" was a pretty good line :)

Overall...Looks like they learned their lesson in South Carolina...Cordial...Not as much fun to watch, but kind of refreshing....

Gidget,
I can't believe Jed wasn't there. I don't know who he will eventually support. You know he and Meathead (Rob Reiner) both supported Dean in 2004. I would guess they will support Barack this time because he is the DNC candidate while Hillary is the DLC candidate.

Martin sent us a signed (by all cast members) WW script for our county party's Fall fundraiser. That was really a nice thing to do.

Gidget...good one about vice, but BO has to be careful about vice in a town like LA and an audience of Hollwood types.

I think that Hillary won hands down. Obama was very good, but I think Hillary just had tonight. She was very knowledgable and
sure of herself. I liked her answers and she seemed to be more specific than Obama. Specific is starting to get my attention.

Didn't think Obama was looking beaten, as much as he might have been trying to act more reasoned and "Presidential".

As a strong Hillary supporter I suggest:

Clinton-Obama o8
Clinton-Obama 12
Obama- ? 16
Obama-? 20

Obama was frowning way too much tonight. I think whoever said it was right----he knew he wasn't doing as well.

Got to go walk the dogs...Back for "Crawford after Dark"...That was a fun 90 minutes...

Both laid out their arguments to the people they believe will support them . Both were articulate intellegent and clean;-P and neither made any mistakes. It was a tie. No change but a great ad for the Democrats in november. Glad to see they buried the hatchet and not in each other. Both on the ticket would be a great ticket.

Jack

oh mann.. if my parents still had a finished basement.. you KNOW i'd be there..

Toobin's spiel sounded right to me. HRC enjoying lead , BO enjoying surge. Who wins ???

One more thing....It appears the Dems come out of these debates a lot stronger than the Reps. did after their debate last night...Got a feeling its going to be a good day for the Dems on 2/5

Once the illegal immigrant has a legal drivers license they can get lost very easily within the US. Why have any controls just open up the flood gates. Lets reward everyone who violate the the laws and punish those who obey they laws. Wonder if Obama during his years as a lawyer ever tried suing a drivers license for damage done to his client?

Jack-
I agree with your assessment ...the major blows were to the GOP, GWB and McCain...
~G

Having decided that the Bickersons were right here on c-list rather than on my tv, I simply watched and listened to the debate. Still not sure which of the two I'll vote for, but they both make me proud.

sorry fry.. the issue just isnt all that high on the list on this side...

Round four wasn't rather long. Both played it to be nice as possible. I think Clinton scored more here because the nasty image was greatly lifted which is an advantage more for Hillary.

By this logic, I give the closer to Hillary for tactical reasons. I think Clinton also made a better appeal to Super Tuesday States which is why divisive doesn't work well for Obama at this point.

In total, Clinton wins. Iraq is central to Obama, but the Iraq war is fading in importance and is associated with the Further Left. If this is the central theme of Obama, he is at a growing disadvantage as Hillary appears to win healthcare, the economy (applause for Bill), her experiance as well as a growing dusgust for the sexism and Hillary bashing Americans are understanding is being dumped on Hillary. She got the biggest rounds of applause. Because she appears as gracious and clear as Obama and now even enjoys an under dog appeal, this, in my opinion helps Hillary big time.

She shows she can fight for Democrats and stand on her own. But then that's just my opinion....

Oh, I didn't seem to fall under a trance for Obama. I think if Obama goes back out on the Clinton bashing trail, he risks a further criticism of hypocricy. My opinion remains and if I could have asked Obama questions who would have had to struggle a bit. Blacks by the way, aren't thrilled with illegal immigration. Hillary definately appealed to blacks and hispanics while Obama seemed to connect less with either. When asked about her record she delivered a list that made Obama's attack on her record questionable. Obama did try to show he was a uniter, but remember we're talking uniting Democrats. Hillary had the better argument she can unite the nation be pushing Republicans and Democrats together.

By the way, McCain I'm sure doesn't buy Obama will be harder for him to defelct for reasons I have pointed out elsewhere and which Obama wasn't nailed on tonight. Why? Hillary doesn't want to piss off the Further Left base. Clearly presents a case that she and Bill do represent know how to be bipartisan. Again, she can't blast open that issue now, but one would be blind not to see it.

Super Tuesday? Hillary is the bigger winner. NY and Cal give her the victory.

LardassLiberal,

You have a horse shoe in that velvet glove. lol

Health care seem interesting enough. I like Hillary's approach better. Obama didn't seem to have all the answers. That
$10,000 deductible he mention was probably catastrophic portion of the coverage not the deductible.

TLDR

sorry Max

Lights out.

Fry...
You said "Once the illegal immigrant has a legal drivers license they can get lost very easily within the US. Why have any controls just open up the flood gates."

Right now they have fake ID's and get lost very easy. So which is better? Fake License's or Legal License's where you actually have there real names?

God Bless.

I think that the American people are going to look at these two candidates and be proud to be Americans. Then they are going to look at the republican field and see stale, stodgy, sticks in the mud old white guys , who want to tell you how you should run your life, and if you don't what they say --exactly how they say you should do it---- you will die and go to hell.

For the Dems...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhDc_EEDKaQ

I think the quality of posts during the debate was very high tonight with a few exceptions.

New poll out in Oregon today..
Hillary 34
Barrack 22

We don't vote until May..It might matter

Did anyone catch Bill Bennett's remark after the debate? He is one of my favorite addicts and CNN pundit. He really makes me smile.

His line (paraphrased) --

At the Reagan library, I was approached as Mr. Secretary and at the Kodak Theater someone said "hey, drug czar are you waiting for a bus?

Yep, the real fight will be in November. The Republicans are desperate and will have armies of swiftboaters.

Enough with the DAY ONE already. With all their are doing on Day One, they'll be too exhausted to handle Day Two.

Clinton / Obama ticket
or
Obama /Clinton ticket

That is what is going to happen. It makes perfect sense. Why not have the first runner run with the second runner up? We are all so passionate about our candidates, would it not be better to see them both in rather then one of them out?

This idea makes me happy, and I think it is a winner!!!!!!

True believer,

Your probably right, but half of my family and the same for yours will vote for the Republican
When you look at any poll here in Missouri, McCain either ties or wins. It is going to be a tough brusing battle I hope the Democrats win but.....

Jack

Also, Jamie....what happens in Week Five? I mean, where's the new Crawford Ranch going to be?

They're doing ... sheesh

Get tired and the homonyms take over.

Jack

Yeah, I know. I'm waiting to see which one is the strongest. I want an attack dog myself. I'm tired of republican tactics and I want someone who has no problem cutting their nuts off if need be. There is being nice and taking the high road. It has it's place. But sometimes you got to fight fire with fire

LaLi

What is that by invitation only retreat the Clintons like to go on annually? Probably a place to snooze while telecommuting to DC

Jamie...you talking about the Sun Valley Idaho thing? Where everyone sits around and masturbates to Bill Gates and Warren Buffet?

That's the difference between the two candidates:

Obama Fans

Hillary Camp

Teenyboppers vs. the Girl Scouts

Aspen Institute

Jamie...Renaissance Weekend at Hilton Head?

No it's in the southern U.S. on the ocean ... all sorts of wonky seminars combined with flip flops and sun tans.

LOL masturbate to bill gates.. damn..cleanup time again

Jamie...Is it a Sandals resort?
Someplace where Hillary can talk policy with the elite others sequestered while Bill hits on the locals?
I'm not tracking.

For myself I'm not looking at either of them as who won. I must have heard a lot more than many of you did and you all make excellent points.

I see some who thought Obama struggled to answer many of the questions while saying how knowledgeable Hillary was on the issues.

So what did I hear you may be wondering? Well here's how I saw it.

Hillary gave very good answers I'll give her that. However, I am always leery of someone who has all the answers to any question you ask them. And I do indeed mean all, not just Hillary.

Obama also gave very good answers and yes he did struggle to answer some of them. He may not have all the answers because if your truthful you will admit that he Obama don't know all the answers, however he's willing to sit down with knowledgeable people and hear their thoughts so a solution that actually works can be accomplished.

In politics remember a politician will always tell you what you want to hear and seldom the truth. I feel more comfortable with someone who don't have all the answers, but is willing to find them and then enact them.

Now one can say that I'm just hearing what I want to hear and that is also true. However, I would like to believe Hillary but she is telling me more of what I want to know than Obama. I heard politicians talk for many years and like a lot of you there comes a time when you know in your heart that your being lied too.

I'm am not saying Hillary's lying but her words and answers were to pat for me. And don't say she studied better.

I will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is. Even if its HIllary.

God Bless and good night.

Isn't it so much nicer to listen to CNN analysis then MSNBC?

Jack

nite all

Jack

Jack...really easy listening...my blood pressure stays down.

No...the thing Jamie's talking about is on the east coast...of the SC or GA coast, if I remember correctly, and is a wonderful gathering of some of the great thinkers of our day. I'd LOVE to be able to go!

Sorry anon but by this stage of the race they should both have the answers to issue-based questions.

speaking of the Super Bowl...

ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL???

woodeehoo!!!

Both candidates go though and practice mock debates. Anything you saw tonight is a reflection of how well they learned.

I love it when Republicans cannot get along

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/31/MN9HUPVEO.DTL&type=politics&tsp=1

so that leaves out everyone but Barbara Lee

LushIs...I meant to ask: Did hubby get down to some "Business" last night after you played that song for him when he got home?

HW,
I thought it was the Renaissance weekend in Hilton Head.

yes CNN is better

Zoey

Bingo that's the one I was thinking of.

Kiawah Island?

Zoey...Isn't Hilton Head off the SC or GA coast? Or have I gone crazy?

Thanks Jamie. For a minute I thought I was invisible.

Nope...haven't lost my mind...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Weekend

HW,
SC

Awwwe someone is pissy

anon-para

By saying that you are more comfortable with someone who doesn't know all the answers but will sit down and talk with someone who does know all the answers 1) you just admitted that Obama doesn't know all the answers and that he would have to have on the job training. Isn't that what Bush did? I suddenly have alot to think about. Maybe Hillary would be the one who is ready on day 1.

Nothing ever goes away completely on The Internets

Hilton Head, Renaissance New Year's Weekend

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/12/30/clintons.newyear/

zoey...
"Sorry anon but by this stage of the race they should both have the answers to issue-based questions."

They can give any plan on the issues, however it doesn't mean that either one is all right or all wrong. They give you basically what you want to hear and than it is up to you to decide whether or not you think it's a good plan, not whether or not it will really work.

If you had 20 politicians working on Health Care they would all have the plan they believed would work and no one would agree on any plan except theirs.

However, if you take those twenty plans and put them together you have the beginning of plan. You than start looking at each one and removing what don't fit and modifying what does.

When your finished you will either have a very good plan that will pass or a very bad one which won't.

So since you want a plan to succeed you put forth the best from those whom helped to craft a good piece of legislation.

God Bless.

the last thing we need is another passionate incompetent.

Jamie and Zoey...The one in Hilton Head is the one I was remembering, too, but if you look at the Renaissance Weekend website, they're actually held in different locations each time. Wouldn't it be cool to get to attend?

Zoey...I love your name. Had lunch with one of my best friends today...her name is Zoe, but I call her Zoey....

Time for Lost, followed by the Eli Stone pilot...nite, all!

Good Night all

Anon,
No candidate should stumble on answers at this stage of the game. They should know their own stances on the issues backward and forward. I did not make a value judgement on whose stance is right and whose is wrong and certainly didn't bring any discussion of merging plans. You are on a different subject now.

Good night. Time for bed :(

truebeliever...
I did not say {By saying that you are more comfortable with someone who doesn't know all the answers but will sit down and talk with someone who does know all the answers 1) you just admitted that Obama doesn't know all the answers and that he would have to have on the job training."

I said...
"He may not have all the answers because if your truthful you will admit that he Obama don't know all the answers, however he's willing to sit down with knowledgeable people and hear their thoughts so a solution that actually works can be accomplished."

I believe that's why the President has a Cabinet of knowledgeable people to seek advice from. Al least a real President which Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush isn't.

God Bless.

truebeliever...
One other thing, Hillary don't have all the answers either no matter do you really believe that she wouldn't get advise from anyone?

God Bless.

Good night all.

God Bless.

anon---

of course any good leader will listen to other peoples viewpoints. I am just saying that it would be alot quicker if there was already a starting point. I am just so tired of democrats who drag their feet, dilly dally around until the moment has passed and the momentum is lost. It seems like if you have a starting point that is further down the line Things would go alot quicker and smoother. Don't worry, I haven't made up my mind yet. Got 3 days to do that!!!

remember the good old days ---

when no one knew who you were screwing on the side?

like Marilyn

It was easier to president back then,the country did not have any idea what what going on....until years after it happened...and even still they didn't have home videos, email trails, and dna.

no wonder it's more difficult now. we need to get over ourselves......and be realistic.

no---- actually quite the opposite -

guess this debate hit the big time

Cnn reports that Folks paid $1000 a ticket to see the debate live.
damn
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_01/013026.php

Jack

I think they thought they were going to see a real FIGHT, they got ripped off.

okay, I am going to ask a question here, and I don't care if I come off as an ass.....but when did "folk" become a term for talking about people in different pluralisms?

For some reason that use of that word makes me want to scratch my eyeballs out.

Is that Obama slang taking over, or what?

***no personal attack intended

true
Remember I called it for Hillary in the second round, Shows what I know. It went the distance and not even any blood. No ropadope either except an atempt or two by Wolf but they both cut him off real fast. all in all boring but a very good performance by all.
CNN has done a good job with these debates.
IMNSHO

Jack

You can't always fight those regional terms. In Mo poeple say it all the time. Heard it all my life. Found out when I went to college that a whole lot of terms were not what I thought They were.

Probably the hillbilly in me . Not all hillbilly,
I'm a little like Barak, I've got some Kansan mixed in there.

Jack

The latest from the Intrade Presidential Futures market....

http://www.central.edu/publicdocs/01%2D31%2D08FuturesMarketGraphs.pdf

Republicans: McCain takes a commanding lead in the national Republican market. Romney loses over half his value after the California debate.

Democrats: The market's in a holding pattern after Florida. Clinton hows about a 1.5-1 edge over Obama.

Winner Takes All: McCain has a dramatic rise over the last two days as Clinton continues a slow loss of support that started around 1/24. McCain's chances of winning the election are now almost equal to Clintons. Obama continues a slow climb that also started around the 24th, but his probability of winning is about 40% of that of Clinton and McCain. Romney's probability of winning slipped from 10% to 5% after the FL primary.

For a short tutorial on Presidential Futures Markets, please see:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/01/florida-to-forecast-both-party-1.html#comment-16896

McCain on Leno tonight

"Clinton hows about a 1.5-1 edge over Obama."

Clinton HOLDS about a 1.5-1 edge over Obama. My bad.

Not going to be able to stay up for Crawford After Dark...Night all

It's really hard for me to choose between HRC and BO. I see so many good things about both of them. They were both good. They are both great. I wonder if those two would look as good if they didn't have the other one pushing them...... Sometimes it takes a good competitor to sharpen you and give you an edge that makes you shine.

Jack , my comment was in general not to be intended towards anyone personally :)

tb
Ain't it the truth.
I'm slow writing any long posts because I tend to write in my Ozark dialect then I have to translate it into standard English. In conversational posts It tends to come out in a sort of a pidgin of both.
most folks understand my regional expressions but it is hard for my Mexican neighbors, for whom English is a second language. I get a lot of smiles and nods from them.

Jack

And there won't be any kissing and hugging up then

h20,

No problem, even if it was directed at me.
I used to hang out on a usenet group that had a lot of people from many nations, so those type questions popped up all the time. Also you were polite and not snarky so I took it as an honest question.

Jack

I missed the live-blogging here because the nearby tv was in use and CCN online, which worked flawlessly last night , wasn't loading for me tonight, and my satellite radio's portable battery died, and the online version wouldn't work in tabs tonight, so I was forced to watch it on the big tv.
One neat thing, XM radio has CNN, and carried the debate, but the one I have can't be charging and in use simultaneously.

I got a kick out of "business time"...yeah Craig...work it in on I-Man's show...I'll be watching for it!

Good line about O having Ted but HRC invoking Jesus Christ! That's a keeper, and the way she said it made a fella stop and think , even if he might not quite agree.

I am glad I watched because now I understand the health care issue differences, even if that is not a hot-button for me.

I do not believe either one wants to get out of Iraq . They both insist on ready-strike forces in the area which can spring into action immediately, and Hillary's comments on civilians over there, and how we must protect them, makes me realize she certainly is not going to abandon that boondoggled American Embassy there that cost so much overrun it is a horrible scandal...she intends to keep it fully staffed, apparently. Notice neither of them said anything like
we are going to move quickly to completely disengage American presence from the area which is now known as Iraq? That's because we are NOT going to!
And McCain gets away with saying nobody cares how many bases we have all over the world, nobody cares , he says...and that is NEVER challenged by pundits or opposing candidates or anyone...so it's going to be a dialing-down of some activity in Iraq, but ONLY because if Obama wins, he or McCain are committed to dump troops by the thousands back into Afghanistan and Obama always mentions Pakistan...who knows what he might do there...overthrow Pervez? And I don't believe a word of HRC acting like she believes al-Maliki has had enough time and Iraqis must stand up...we have heard THAT bullshit forever! That rhetoric is meaningless.

since I am new here----would someone tell me what "Crawford after Dark" is?

truebeliever...

Spike's just talking about the people who usually post later at night on this blog...Crawford At Night....

And we clean up after ourselves & turn out the lights.

tt

I have been a big supporter of Barack Obama since the 2004 Democratic Covention. I find him to be extremely inspirational and I was very moved by the recent Kenneddy endorsement. Unfortunately tonight he appeared lost and childish. Many times he raised his hand seeming to almost ask for permission to speak, like a child in grammar school. Most of his answers were mumbles. I

truebeliever: Spike coined it.
Craig has named me "Night Manager" of the overnight because I frequently am the last one here before the early birds wake up.
With all the new people coming aboard the Crawford Ship , it won't be long before this blog will be active 24 hours.
For a while , a few of us would trade YouTubes here when the politics were all discussed after the cable news shows went into instant re-runs. Not a lot of time for that now.
As November nears, this blog will explode. Blow up real good.
Hold on, it's gonna be a long ride to election day.
We're very fortunate Craig and CQ gave us this format...we used to blog on Blogger, and now we're blogging really fast on super-servers, quite a good deal.

We are going to have to allow cigar smoking if the conventions are the venue where the nominees are chosen...gotta have smoke filled room to blog in!

Absolutely, Dex. We can put a table with a big ashtray near the window.

tt

..getting ready for a lot of snow and wind ...at least it's February now...Spring is near!

Nothing but big wind here. But then again, it's Texas. Our winter's over.

tt

thanks---i haven't been doing this long--blogging i mean. I have been interested in politics for as long as I can remember.

good night all--i enjoyed it

Why don't at least some of the talking heads admit the obvious? Both Clinton and Obama were fantastic. Either one has the potential to be a great President.

WHY DOES THE MEDIA STATE THAT OBAMA ISSUES ARE MORE
LIKE EDWARDS. REMEMBER WHEN EDWARDS TOLD OBAMA
IT IS A FANTASY TO NO MANDATE HEALTH CARE. LIKE EDWARDS AND HILLARY WANT. ALSO WHY IS IT THAT EDWARDS CAN CALL OBAMA HEALTH CARE A FANTASY AND PRESIDENT CLINTON CANT SAY FERRY TALE ABOUT IRAQ.
WHAT A TANGLE WEB WE WEAVE WHEN WE PRACTICE TO
DECIEVE.

DENISE IN TEXAS