Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Woo hoo!

GREAT column, Craig. Wouldn't it be fantastic if more than a couple of states got to actually pick each party's candidate?

Yes, this election year is different. The Internet has become a powerful fundraising and communications medium that operates without much scrutiny by the MSM and "professional" politicos. The internet makes Obama & Huckabee competitive.

Also, voters don't like the way the USA is going, so the traditional themes that both parties have used in the past don't work.

re: "Change"

This year voters really don't know what they want and the candidates don't know how to "pitch" to them.

Notice how suddenly the economy has become the #1 issue.

Obama is right. This year is shaping up as is a time of fundamental political change. Voters don't want to hear about a "stimulus package" consisting of a laundry list of pet projects. They want a fundamental discussion of how the economy SHOULD operate, and for WHO'S BENEFIT.

Voters are seeking a NEW VISION and the candidate who can articulate that can win.

Nash...I keep saying, read David Cay Johnson's book Free Lunch. There are so many layers of corprate welfare to cut through that any real change is going to be a MOTHER to effect. Hell, maybe a revolution. Strictly non violent, of course. (Listening to the sound of copters circling.)

And forfurther outrage, check out Court Tells Enron Retirees to Drop Dead:

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/conservative-judges-enron-retirees-drop-dead

This morning on MJ, Mika is still upset about Bob Johnson's oblique reference to Obama and cocaine. What is the problem? He did use cocaine. If he is the nominee, we all will be hearing about cocaine-day after day after day after day!

GORDO,
I'm curious. If Hillary's the nominee, what do you think the opposition will be saying about her?

I wouldn't even think Obama's cocaine use, if Mika didn't bring it up everyday.

I really enjoyed the Crawfordlist video, from last night's post. The only C-Lister I could definitely recognize is Colorado Bob(well along with CC, KO, Tom Hanks, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, Robert Kennedy, CC's Mom and Dad, Don Imus, and The Muppets).

Is there way to put names with the photos? I know it is probably a lot of work...but maybe with the next one... :)

dnd -- Gordo is too obsessed that he doesn't know or care about the vitriol that will come her way. And believe me, it will be huge. Allegations of more Bill-affairs are sure to be part of it. And of course, there's that Hillary movie that has now surfaced....some new propaganda piece. Oh, and of course, now Ann Coulter has decided that Bill and Obama are both secretly gay.

**think ABOUT Obama's**(from my previous post)

Goodness, I should have come back for the night crew. On the blog people video on the previous thread, that is Blue looking out the window.

We all need to submit new photos for another group.

John R should just talk to Fry. They will keep each other entertained while the rest of us carry on a conversation.

For Goodness sake Gordo, give it a rest! Come to think of it you just go over to that corner with Fry and John R.

The rest of us are trying to talk to each other.

Mr bush has already defined the way to deal with past drug use hasnt he?

I'll use today's thread to once again beat the drum for Instant Runoff Voting. I missed the chance after reading Spike's post yesterday describing delegate selection in Nevada. I made my head hurt...

Is it possible that GORDO, Fry and John R. are all the same person?

Jamie...who are the other people in the C-Listers video?

here is a very funny steven colbert in spanish interview with Lou Dobbs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/18/ay-caramba-colbert_n_82194.html

yo soy Horsedooty!

My old computer won't let me watch videos or YouTube....what C-list video is up, andDooty, what's the jist of the Dobbs thing? I can only imagine.

The 24/7 news cycle and the internet are really messing with all the candidates and the current administration. Every tag line, every commercial, every stump speech gets reheard over and over.

It doesn't take long for the majority of the people to see holes in arguments, get bored with jokes, and want something new or more detailed than just a slogan.

The President's "stimulus" plan is so full of holes it could substitute for swiss cheese. He has overspent and charged against the future for seven years. How can he expect sending the American public out for dinner on the house to clean up the mess?

Oh, I just saw Sheila's post identifying some of the people in the video. It is so nice to have faces to go with the names!!

Some not identified:

man w/tennis racquet
woman w/owl
man w/dogs, fireplace
man w/black sweater, beard
woman w/red shirt
woman w/cam
woman w/black dog
woman w/bikini
man w/Craig, truck, dog
woman w/orange leaf background

If you are any of these people...please identify yourself!!

LOL!!

If Hillary is the nominee, the opposition will recycle all the stuff we have heard for 16 years. As the saying goes, " that is old news ". The point is that Hillary has already been defined in the eye of the public. Obama will defined by the Repubs, and it will not be a pretty picture. They will go at his character. The Repubs like to do that sort of attack. By the time they have finished trashing Obama, the "youth" and " new " vote will be turned off. The idea is to suppress the voter turnout.

Good morning Posse....

First, thanks to those who helped us youngins put names to faces in the video.

Second, for all of you junkies who will be watching the marathon today, results from NEVADA could start coming in as early as 10:00 am PST for Republicans and 12:15 - 12:30 PST for Democrats.

REPUBLICANS: Like Iowa, they operate under a secret ballot rule. The order of their caucus is as follows:

* The caucus starts at 9:00 am PST
* Preliminary announcements, etc.
* Voting for County Convention delegates
* Platform issues
* Speeches for candidates
* Voting and counting for Presidential nominee preference

The results will be posted at:
http://www.nvgopcaucus.com/

It will interesting to see if the announcement of the winner in Nevada early in the day will have any impact on voting in SC.

DEMOCRATS: The Nevada caucus is very similar to Iowa, except they have 15 minute alignment instead of the 30 minute time in Iowa. In lightly attended "regular" precincts, the time frame should look something like this...

* The caucuses start at 11:30 PST.
* The preliminaries take about 15-20 minutes
* 15 minute alignment period
* Preference group counting (5-10 minutes)
* 15 minute realignment for NONVIABLE groups only
* Final recount (10 minutes)
* Call in the delegate count
* Election of delegates to the County Convention
* Platform issues

The results will be posted live at:
http://www.nvdemscaucus.com/

I've already stocked the frig with munchies and beer, so I'm ready to go!

Lush,

From the previous thread. It's a pretty good list

http://www.slidetube.com/video/Were-All-In-This-Thing-Together-Old-Crow-Medicine-Show.html

OK Presenting the Crawfordslists First get together video!

- I'm the Chef and the one waving while taking a pic.

- 911 took a picture with his feet haning out the window and he has a portrait in there too.

- Jamie is hanging out with a statue....relative? no just kidding.

Colorado Bob

- Nash is in the snow with a doggy

- Craigs washington Intern Picture

- POP (Pissed off Patricia) Martinis and Kitties.

......Renee did you present Kitties too?

There is Craigs trip to Costa Rica

There is a picture of the damage done to the Tree....no Craigs dislocated Shoulder.

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Sheila did a pretty good job of listing them all.

Let me take another look and see if there is anyone she missed other than Blue who is gazing out the window. The Christmas photos of Craig with his parents. We all took Muppet characters which is why that picture is there. Then part of the group that went to Las Vegas.

The scenery with the roads coming up the mountains is "Rest and Be Thankful" from my trip to Scotland.

Anybody else want to chime in?

Jamie

Some not identified:

man w/tennis racquet
woman w/owl
man w/dogs, fireplace
man w/black sweater, beard
woman w/red shirt
woman w/cam
woman w/black dog
woman w/bikini
man w/Craig, truck, dog
woman w/orange leaf background

Gordo, as a Hillary supporter, I am asking you to please shut the hell up. You do her NO favors, and in fact, a lot of damage. I am beginning to think that you are really a Freeper sent to disrupt and divide. They do that in a systematic way.

There are pros and cons that are entirely legitimate to debate about these candidates. But what you are doing is just plain stupid. Or, if you are indeed from the Rovian camp, fairly smart.

Morning Joe is being unusually snarky and offensive even for him. I suppose being a smart ass is a good career move.

The early morning line from Intrade.com

Chance of winning in NV (Democrats)
Clinton (60%)
Obama (48%)
Edwards (0.6%)

Chance of winning NV (Republicans)
Romney (85%)
McCain (9%)
All others (< 1%)

Chance of winning SC (Republicans)
McCain (49.4%)
Huckabee (48.0%)
(NOTE: McCain and Huckabee are within the +/- 2% margin of error of each other)
Thompson (2%)
All others (< 1%)

Back to chat with y'all this afternoon...

IMHO, Joe Scarborough has always been snarky and offensive.

What really surprises me is how much Mika's "on-air personality" has changed. :(

>>What really surprises me is how much Mika's "on-air personality" has changed. :(

She never got over losing her luggage coming to Des Moines to cover the caucuses...She had to borrow clothes from Andrea Mitchell the first morning, and she hasn't been the same since (:>)...

True story

Spike thanks for the schedule. Just realized that all the folks who were working all night might have a problem dragging themselves to the polls.

Again, Nevada going for a caucus rather than primary system just doesn't make sense. It suppresses the vote even more than in other caucus states.

Lush,

What did happen to Mika. All of a sudden she seems to be kowtowing a lot to Joe. It's almost creepy. Is he so unpleasant and oppressive after the show that it isn't worth the effort to speak up to him?

Are I to understand that msnbc is having Mika and Beady-Eye on instead of Prison Guys Gone Wild and still shots of murdered people?

ROFL on the lost luggage story. When that drama was playing out, I was reminded of a beauty pagent from my college days. The girl who won probably should have come in second, but for this answer to one of those "probing" questions:

Host: "If you make it to Atlantic City only to find that the airlines lost your luggage, what will you do?"

Contestant: "Well, I'd try to stay in a hotel close to a laundromat and a dress shop."

At least through the voting coverage. Fearless leader doesn't mention an appearance so we seem to be stuck with Jubilation T. Cornpone and sidekicks.

Oh, I see......and CC's going to be on too........very nice for a cold rainy saturday in caroline........

Spoke too soon just saw a picture of Craig as part of upcoming coverage. No indication of when.

****WARNING...WARNING***
***SEXIST STATEMENT ALERT***

IMHO...Mika has become "one of the boys".

She says she only has brothers, so I am thinking it is very easy for her to channel her "inner 16-year-old boy", when she gets around JS, CM (and lately) David Shuster.

From one of my favorite writers, Vanity Fair's James Wolcott:

"Reading the spate of posts at Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo dedicated to the slow-motion spectacle of Rudy Giuliani's epic one-car political pileup is like popping peppermints into your mouth: pure candy delight. Think of it. It wasn't that long ago that America's 9/11 Mayor was the presumed frontrunner, this can-do, crime-stopping, moonlighting transvestite master-of-mean-streets sheriff threatening even to put Blue States such as Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York into play for Republicans in his role as the one drag queen tough enough to take on Hillary. And now Rudy is so far back he's inhaling Ron Paul's exhaust fumes and is forced to hail-Mary an ad using actual 9/11 footage."

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby have the final rolling poll through yesterday for Nevada

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nv/nevada_democratic_caucus-236.html

Of course none of them know what will really happen.

RE: The MoJo and Mika Show....from both a style and substance viewpoint, it appears to be morphing into Fox & Friends.....

Patsi,

TIME OUT in the corner NOW!!!!

Fate worse than death division of comments. :-)

Patsi-
Re Fox

So far though I haven't seen Mika leaning forward with the full frontal Fox leg shot yet-

Here decollatage is getting deeper by the hour. Can the legs be far behind?

Jamie....am not sure to what time out you refer....maybe I need another cup of coffee....

Kathy -- re the leg shots....Jamie's probably right...can't be far behind! LOL

Sort of like when my favorite cable channel, the Food Network realized a lot of men watch and went for decollete.....

At least twice this morning, Mika has become upset about Bob Johnson's reference to Obama's use of cocaine.

Saying Mojoe and Mika were becoming Fox and FRiends. I'm hoping there are depths to which even they wouldn't sink.

Gordo

Do you EVER talk about anything else or do you think that intense boredom is a good political ploy?

Patsi,
"Sort of like when my favorite cable channel, the Food Network realized a lot of men watch and went for decollete....."

Yeah. But it really doesn't work with Mario Battali.

but Oh, that Giada.......

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/hosts_celebrity_chefs/article/0,1974,FOOD_9889_1842136,00.html

Spike
You forgot one thing in your schedule

For the Republicans
Hurry up and finish then go down the street and vote in the Democratic caucus

Seems that the Republicans have a closed caucus and the dems have an open one.

Probably won't happen much but it can.

jack

Hey everyone...happy day-before-exactly-one-more-year-of-Bush-left-to-endure.

I think we can assume vicious attacks no matter who gets nominated. Republicans were playing hooky the day all the other kids were learning about lowest common denominators in math class. They haven't yet met a common denominator low enough to suit them.

Meanwhile, I think the real puzzle that Democrats should be working to solve is how to join the GOP nominee (whomever that might be) at the hip with Bush. This is a great, exciting, competetive election season...but there seems to be a huge hole in the middle of it: No one is being called to account for what has happened to this country since Jan 20, 2001. And that's just an outrage that the GOP appears to be getting a pass like that.

Craig-
One thing that is generating a lot of heated discussion among Clinton and Obama supporters here still, esp. at the party level, is the residue from the Clinton choice mailer sent out the weekend before the primary. Just after the mailer the Clinton team sent out an email, which in part criticized Obama's record too- but that was signed by many prominent mostly elected female NH democrats- don't be surprised to read more about this in the days to come. Many here think that this targeted direct mail and subsequent email had a sizable effect on the last minute vote change esp. among college educated women-

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/18/trying_to_heal_a_rift_in_new_h_1.html

Meanwhile, I think the real puzzle that Democrats should be working to solve is how to join the GOP nominee (whomever that might be) at the hip with Bush. This is a great, exciting, competetive election season...but there seems to be a huge hole in the middle of it: No one is being called to account for what has happened to this country since Jan 20, 2001. And that's just an outrage that the GOP appears to be getting a pass like that.
--Lardass

Amen.

I counted up yesterday and just from around here (Marin Sonoma) 50 folks have gone to Nevada to work on the caucuses ...mostly union people not all for the same candidate.

How can you not love the Bush level of oblivion. He now says absolutely no tax increase in the stimulation plan. Has the man ever seen an invoice that he didn't want to put on his great grandchildren's credit card?

Nix the direct line grandchildren. There are some strains that don't belong in the gene pool.

first Patsi check and see if your java is corrupt and you can remove it and download a fresh copy from Java.com.

Steven Colbert had Lou Dobbs on and he did the interview in bad spanish as Estaban Colberto Reporto.

he even had a barbed wire fence on the set.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Really they are all just Shrub's third term

an ad where they all morph into Bush as they talk about how much they love him

and this raygun discussion is dujb..which raygun are they talking about the one with the tax increas,amnesty and no war or the Iran contra raacist pig raygun.

I think scarborough should be forced to watch the tapes of his own show.

Want to discuss how Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam will be used against Obama? This has the potential to be far worse than the cocaine.

KGC...I think you're onto something there. And maybe throw in stills of any photo-ops any of them have ever had with Dick Cheney.

Doots
How did Lou take that. I am really enjoying the fact that immigration is not an issue no matter how much haters that Lou Dobbs concern trolll forthemiddle class and the hideous Pat Buchanan make it.

Off for caucus training. See you folks in a couple of hours. Play nice.

Craig Crawford on fire....

Another Dem attack video that I hope is already in the bank: Grainy footage of Lou Dobbs snorting cocaine off of Pat Buchanan's naked body as Louis Farrakhan watches from a bedside chair.

Another Dem attack video that I hope is already in the bank: Grainy footage of Lou Dobbs snorting cocaine off of Pat Buchanan's naked body as Louis Farrakhan watches from a bedside chair.

Posted by: LardassLiberal | January 19, 2008 10:50 AM

I will pay for that ad

Top of the day peeps. Nice tie today Craig.

Gordo,
If you don't put down the crack pipe, we're gonna tell you mom and she'll come downstairs and unplug your computer.

KGC,
Lou Dobbs was great on Colbert. Colbert was pee-your-pants funny.

"
I think scarborough should be forced to watch the tapes of his own show. "

Nah, he'd probably just, well I'll say "self stimulate" at the footage.

LardLib....is that Dobbs/Buchanan porn show on pay-for-view? I'll order it.

Craig really was great on MSGOP!

Thanks Craig great stuff on morning Joe. Mika , Joe and David kinda get carrry away with the Obama stuff at times. Obviously MSNBC wants Obama to win which is fair. I hope the commentators just come out and say it instead of beating around the "BUSH". You're what we call fair and balance.

Patsi: It's available for free on Animal Planet.

One thing that gets little play in the press is a very big problem for Hillary if she makes it to the general. There are more people than we might think, both men and women, who will never vote for a female for president, just as with the race thing. I heard an NPR discussion off it yesterday, and it is very real. Not to mention that I know some of those types.

whenever I see Buchanan I think of this:

Pat Buchanan is up in Concord New Hampshire on a stage getting ready to speak to his supporters. Suddenly a group breaks into a chant, disrupting the proceedings.

They shout, "He's a racist! He's a racist."

And those were his supporters

Mika just described Huckabee as having a lean campaign--

isn't that another way of saying he has no support except a bunch of religious nuts who are afraid to drive in the snow.

and she could not say it without making a sly dig at Clinton.

Patsi,
"There are more people than we might think, both men and women, who will never vote for a female for president, just as with the race thing."

Sigh. That's probably true. What's worse for Sen Clinton is there are a lot of people who would vote for a woman, but wouldn't vote for her if she was running against Hitler.

There is some truth to what Craig says but while the momentum might not directly translate to votes, it does indirectly. If a candidate does not do well in the early contests, he or she would no longer receive the contributions to continue in later states because the later states are mostly ad wars and take money to compete. The only candidates who could survive the winnowing and stay in the race are the ones with their own money at their disposal.

I think this is the year for a not white man candidate

'what people hate is Bush and isn't he the quintessential white guy and no one wants that

how is that working for everyone

like Dnd said Estaban was screamingly funny. Big Lou seemed to take it in stride and as a funny bit. He was pimping his book.

yo soy Horsedooty!

DND...
Didn't Hitler go negative on Marlene Dietrich back in '32? And he didn't even wait for the convention. The bastard.

KGC...your "anti-white-guy" strategy works until the Repubs start running ads about Obama's mom.

230 years of white guy rule

time for a change

Obama's Mom

well we can go to the Rush Limbaugh response
"hafrican is better than nothing"

Lardass,
"Didn't Hitler go negative on Marlene Dietrich back in '32? "

I think Eva Braun had something to do with that...

Amen dnd, what so many of our more ardent Hillary supporters just refuse to admit or accept is that the reason a lot of people won't vote for her has nothing to do with her plumbing. Now I'm not saying there isn't sexism in play here (just as there is racism at play in many people's stance against Obama). It sure is a shame for the cause of feminism that the first viable female candidate is so baggage laden.

one person's baggage is another person's plus

Mika is so unprofessional. I can hardly watch her silliness with her child on the phone and laughing about not paying attention to what is being said. Really, is that all the better they can do?

Brian is now concerned for the cause of feminism? Who knew?

Patsi cram it.

baggage ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dm7IvEyl8U

Oh come on KC, that's quite a stretch in the baggage dept.!

Sorry, Brian....I know you would love to think no one will dare disagree with you, but you would be wrong.

Some on the web (who really support John Edwards and don't simply live to bash others..) are saying Edwards gave the best speech of his campaign to over a thousand people in California:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5574

January 10, 2008, 5:00 pm
Why Do “Trial Lawyers” Have Such a Bad Name?
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/01/10/why-do-trial-lawyers-have-such-a-bad-name/

just sayin Brian...baggage is in the eye of the beholder

Patsi find someone else to obsess about, as I've told you before you bore me to tears. Don't you have a cauldron that needs tending to?

Good link there KC, I didn't know the WSJ would publish anything that went against the repug talking points.

And that cauldron would have been dumped on your head if I'd been there when you were offending 9/11's young daughter.

Great quote in today's WSJ about the SC fight between Huckabee and McCain:

"It's the Christian soldiers vs. the retired soldiers."

Don't feed the troll. I ignore Brian because he makes personal attacks and brings absolutely nothing to the discussion. I don't have time for trolls.

damn patsi as I've said find someone else to play this game with. geez. Take zoey's advice, ignore me, and I'll do that same where you are concerned. Have a good life.

magop has Russert on and the most dishonest show ever

it is just an excuse to slam the Clintons because Rudy is out and Bloomberg isn't getting in.. and they are sitting there like toads discussing fiction

the crapfest that is nbc news fails to mention all the polls that show neither Giuliani or Bloomberg can beat Clinton in NY let alone the rest of the country

While everybody goes to their corners, the late great John Hartford:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3PpsCKf0id8

Interesting comment by Michael Goodwin on Russert's Saturday morning show about Bill wanting it more than Hillary. I was giving this exact same point yesterday some thought. I don't think anyone can deny that Bill loves the lime light and if someone else besides Hillary wins the nomination Bill will no longer be "playa".

Predictions

South Carolina
Huckabee wins !!
You can't be too racist or homophobic for a South Carolina Republican

Nevada, Republican
Mccain wins!!!
I'm going out on a limb here but the early caucus time favors the locals. I can't see them voting for someone out east when they've got that nice neighbor boy to support.

Nevada, Democratic
HRC wins!!!
Nevada is a mine field of local feuds. One of these is the feud between local unions for influence in the party. The Culinary Workers Union has been throwing their weight around a lot lately.
Add in the fact that Nevada politics plays out like small town politics. Locals vrs outsiders is a major split in such a place. You don't get more "they ain't from here" then the Vegas strip.
So Obama gets the half of Vegas and the strip and HRC gets the rest of Nevada.

Jack

Bill does want it but I think he wants it more for her because he, better than anyone knows her capabilities. Even if Hillary does not win, Bill will still be a player. He has the world stage and he is a former President with all the pomp and circumstance we afford our former Presidents.

Hi everyone - I really wish I could keep up with your banter - my life is too clogged up.

Craig has the most expressive eyebrows!

Meeka is a huge disappointment. I'll bet her Dad wishes she would quit using his last name.

I'm so out of the loop that when MSNBC pundits were going on this morning about how well Thompson would do if he was still alive, I had to frantically google around to see if he really had died.

One more thought, many strong women are very much threatened/intimidated by Hillary's strength and have ambivalence about her for primarily that reason.

Hi, LardassLiberal, where you been?

I call foul, Patsi.

Nothing that has happened between Brian and 9/11 and/or Brian and VanillaBirdies is your business. If you have a beef with Brian, limit it to what's between the two of you...and, for the sake of the rest of us, PLEASE TAKE IT OFF LIST!!! BOTH 9/11 and VanillaBirdies are ADULTS - I believe the young child you reference is in her early 20's - so PLEASE give it a rest.

Mika has become a bobblehead, and that's a shame. She actually has something to bring to the table, should she choose to do so.

If someone else wins the nomination other than Hillary Bill will be just as much a playa as Jimmy Carter is. The only thing that has kept Bill on center stage for the last 8 years is his wife. And just for the record it does make me chuckle to see all you so called feminist fawning over this serial adulterer.

Hi Colleen! So nice of you to remember me.

I've been around...staying busy...but only recently has my blood pressure elevated to the Katrina-aftermath levels of outrage that are required to drive me to a blog. So that's why I've resurfaced.

I'm looking forward to an exciting year.

ditto Harborwoman's post.

Zoey,

Agreed about Bill.

Let me add,
another reason Bill will be a player is , he loves the game of politics and he is good at it.
He is also not very good at the retired elder statesman role, like Bush senior.
Jack

harbor, 9/11 made it my business in a series of emails. But have no fear. I bow to Brian and all he says. ciao.

Craig:

Your performance on MSNBC this morning was great and welcome!

It seems as if MSNBC has become a satellite office for the Obama campaign. It's good to see you on TV challenging their obvious bias.

Hate to do this on-list, Patsi, but I don't frankly care what anyone made your business in a series of private emails. It doesn't belong on this list, and I - for one - am really weary of watching this site be used for petty arguments and for taking sides against anyone who chooses to blog here. You're old enough to know better than to throw someone else's mud during an argument...or so I would hope.

Most of the main stream media hates Clinton cause they could not hound him out of office and he treats them with the contempt they deserve

...Democrats love him for the same reason

I think some of you are Steve Gillard fans
this is what he said about Ronald Reagan

http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2004/06/ronald-reagan-1911-2004.html

KC if Hillary wins the Dems will continue to love him. But like many others his early support for George Bush's war of choice troubled me to my core.

Cool, MSNBC has called Nevada for Willard. God this is fun.

we all hate the war
If it were just the war

we would also be supporting Barbara Lee for president

Good afternoon guys!

Went out to dinner last night and ran into a bunch of friends, so I took an informal poll. Like me they are all Repubs. Only 2 people were sure of who they would vote for and the rest (about 10 or 11) were unsure who they would support in the primary. On a side note, most were very impressed with Barack as an inspiration speaker and all definately have no love for Edwards or Hillary.

Msnbc just called Mii for Nevada.

oops Mitt

Jennbe

So that's bad news for Rudee...

New vocabulary phrase:

Electile Dysfunction: the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for President put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.

It appears to surface every leap year!

eprof2

I think this year...only true for the Republicans

Rudee who?

Can't we all just get along?

Yeah Ed I gotta agree with KC on this one, I think part of the problem for Dems is an excess of riches. I certainly will be very comfortable with any three of the top in the white house.

holy cow.. i miss an evening and a morning here and LOOK at how much I had to read!!

Sturge -- I am jonesing for those prison docs... I'll never forgive MSNBC for this..

I think we all better brace ourselves.. no matter who's the nominee, there are going to be subtle and not-so-subtle attacks.. Edwards? oh he's the rich guy... Obama? .. all that cocaine.. HRC? polarizing bitch!..

Wouldn't you all love an old fashioned convention.. where the states nominate and right there.. AT THE CONVENTION.. one state puts someone over the top! That would be so damned exciting!

I am a member of the Liberal Party of Canada and I can't tell you how exciting our last leadership convention was.. for years they'd just been coronations.. but this last one.. old fashioned..back room cigar smokers making deals.. I was helping to script BOTH a concession and a winner's speech because we just didnt know... (the winner's speech won out *S*)..

I think some of that 'reaction' to HRC's misty eyes had something to do with it being spontaneous. Everything is so staged now that any sign of something happening that wasnt planned MEANS something.

Craig, excellent Trail Mix! Remember the days when the West Coast and Central Time folks got to find out who was winning based on the East Coast?

tt

*L* @ eprof2

tt

Whiskey -- "Spike
You forgot one thing in your schedule

For the Republicans
Hurry up and finish then go down the street and vote in the Democratic caucus"

Not in Nevada....state law that applies to both Republicans and Democrats...

"If you are a new resident to Nevada or if you are planning to change your party affiliation to Republican you will need to register 30 days prior to the caucus in order to participate."

source: www.nvgopcaucus.com

lardass.. i'm so glad you're back :)

Brian.. don't you think any politician has baggage? In order to get to the place where one's name is a viable candidate, he/she's been carrying around suitcases for a long long time.

ty IMO Hillary is carrying steamer trunks worth!

I still think there are a whole lot of R.E.A.L. women who are going to vote for Hillary and never tell anyone!

hey..bri..that just proves to me that she's a survivor.. (no, don't cue Gloria Gaynor! lol)

I missed a lot here yesterday..had one of those oblivion days..but what is/was the consensus on the Romney dust-up with the reporter? i thought the really telling part was the scolding the reporter got for asking the question!

oh nooooooo not tucker!!

The 2:00 pm EST line from Intrade.com

Chance of winning in NV (Democrats)
Clinton (67%)
Obama (38%)
Edwards (0.9%)

Clinton increases her lead from this morning at Obama's expense....

Chance of winning SC (Republicans)
Huckabee (55.0%)
McCain (42.8%)
Thompson (1.5%)
All others ( < 1%)

Huckabee takes the lead after being statistically tied with McCain early this morning. Huckabee's gains are more than McCain's loses, which suggests late money from the sideline is coming into the market for Huckabee....

Romney gets absolutely no bounce from NV, but it might be too early for the market to have reacted to his win there...

oh pardon me.. it was the weather guy.. haha

Hi tylenol. I'm loving being back and having fun. This gang is the best. Things got a little rowdy last night -- lots of drinking, cussing and quoting of Robert Service poetry. But then sweet Sheila reined me in. She was like a friendly beat cop on foot patrol helping all the drunks get home safely.

You really want to play that song for Hillary, I'm not sure it's such a wise choice ty!

Speak for yourself FatAss, I don't drink alone, there are far healthier alternatives you know.

Oh and one other thing, I live in rent stabilized apt. not rent controlled.

Spike

McCain is going to win in SC

here's a light-hearted little op-ed fron the NY Times about Nevada's voting, kind of reminiscient of Craig's comment about having the drunks give a show of hands, in this instance the writer suggests "counting the number of voters who paint themselves blue and howl at the full moon"

Fear and Voting in Las Vegas by Gail Collins

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/19/opinion/19collins.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

Well I'm back from the Hillary Clinton love fest. Nice way to spend three hours.

Patsi,

I dearly miss 9/11 and VB on the blog. It's a horrid shame that their contributions are not here, but I speak to both in email and it's not worth it to fight with Brian about it anymore than it is worth it to disagree with him about anything else. No sense upsetting others.

SC
McCain
Thompson
Hucksterbee

gail collins is trying out to be maureen dowd..
why would anyone do that

Eprof2, that was hilarious!!! Prevailing feeling from most was they were trying to decide between McCain and another canidate.

ya know Bri..ya've lost yer sense of humour.. what's with you??

Thanx Jennbe

sorry I missed all the debauchery, lardass my friend.. poetry slams! wowee!

Oh Ty I thought it was funny, sorry I didn't an emoticon into my reposnse it should have been:

(insert smart ass emoticon here)

Ok, I'm off to a client and do some laying on of hands. L8R

KGC -- "Spike, McCain is going to win in SC"

Wouldn't bet the farm on it...The tracking polls are showing a surge for Huckabee from the 17th to the 18th....

The Intrade data also suggested McCain should win through about 10 pm CST last night, when his support slowly started to fade. In the last hour (1pm CST), his support has fallen through the floor.

Huckabee's numbers started moving steadily upward last night, also around 10 pm CST, and have continued to increase steadily throughout the morning and afternoon....

More as information warrants...

The Democratic Caucus results from Nevada are starting to be reported....

http://www.nvdems08.com/

Eprof2,
"Electile Dysfunction: the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for President put forth by either party in the 2008 election year."

The cure for electile dysfunction:

http://goldwatermiller08.com/

Spike,

I see they are beginning with Clark County. It will be interesting to see just how strong an arm the union has.

FYI -- Nevada Caucus -- Clark County, which contains Las Vegas, is the only county that will have "at large" precincts...

http://www.nvdems08.com/

"gail collins is trying out to be maureen dowd..
why would anyone do that"

Because satire is a more effective way of making a point than bloviating. c.f. Al Frankin , P.J. O'Rourke, Bill Maher.

FYI -- Nevada Caucus -- Clark County, which contains Las Vegas, is the only county that will have "at large" precincts...

sort of the point of the law suit

dnd
except maureen down is not a satirist...at least not on purpose and neither is gail collins

Also it is a myth that the culinary workers were ever going to endorse Clinton. /edwards was their second choice

KGC -- "FYI -- Nevada Caucus -- Clark County, which contains Las Vegas, is the only county that will have "at large" precincts...sort of the point of the law suit"

IMHO, the Teacher's Union, as well as certain campaigns dropped the ball on this one...If they had been paying attention, they would have been voicing their opinion when the change was being discussed. That is, unless they thought it was going to be to their advantage at the time...

."

Like anyone who tries to be funny, Dowd sometimes strains for effect and falls flat: She posed a choice between New York's Rudolph Giuliani and Washington's Marion Barry as one between "the mayor who cracks down on crime and the mayor whose crime was crack."

snark and frequently stretches the truth to be snarky

KGC,
"except maureen down is not a satirist."

Well, maybe not to you ;-)

Spikey

Don't ever be humble about your opinions

thanks for that Gail Collins NYT link, colleen -- finally an answer to a question i've been asking for a while:

"Why, you may be asking yourself, can’t the state [Nevada] just organize a normal primary? Excellent question, and here’s Shelley Berkley, a Congresswoman from Las Vegas, with the answer: “If you have a primary, the state pays. If you have a caucus, the party pays.”

It is my understand there was some confusion about the rules and it wasn't until the rules were published that the consequences were known.

But I do think this is more about local fights then anything to do with campaigns.

Also msgop keeps making this a casino versus casion workers and that is a just a lie;.

dnd.

all I pretty much want in life is to be amused as much as possible, and Maureen and Gail fill that bill occasionally. Unless, of course, Gail really does think people should be blue and howl...hmmmm...

Spike,
"IMHO, the Teacher's Union, as well as certain campaigns dropped the ball on this one."

I agree. The interesting thing about Nevada is that Las Vegas is an anomaly. It's had a HUGE influx in people moving there from out of state. Can't say the same thing for Tonopah or Winnemucca or Elko.

ps. Can Mika really fit in to Andrea Mitchell's clothes? Mitchell's really petite.

Colleen,

LOL! I'm with ya!

There is an enormous difference between snark and satire and I do know the difference

So far the NV returns are really odd. Clark county breaking for Clinton and Washoe breaking for Obama. Definitely need a whole lot more returns to make sense of it.

Spike said: "IMHO, the Teacher's Union, as well as certain campaigns dropped the ball on this one...If they had been paying attention, they would have been voicing their opinion when the change was being discussed. That is, unless they thought it was going to be to their advantage at the time..."

BINGO!

aren't there a ton of Mormans in Nevada? One would think they would vote for Mitt the Morman.

yo soy Horsedooty!

dnd -- "ps. Can Mika really fit in to Andrea Mitchell's clothes? Mitchell's really petite."

According to Mika, they wear the same size...She's petite as well. She just doesn't photograph well I guess...

Colleen -- according to some, being humble would be something new for me...Thought I'd try it for a while to see what it's like (:>)...

Thanks Craig for reiterating my point: The tax payers pay for primaries and the parties pay for the caucuses. I do not believe the taxpayers should have to pay for a party to select a nominee.

MSNBC is falling behind the actual count. being reported.

Jamie,
"Definitely need a whole lot more returns to make sense of it."

To paraphrase CC "even with all the returns in it's difficult to understand what it means."

Most people are not aware that Obama's middle name is Hussein and that his father's side of the family is Muslim. The Repubs will link B. Hussein Obama to the Nation of Islam through his pastor, Jeremiah Wright. A lot of prejudice against Muslims in this country. It is WRONG, but a fact.

The Nevada Mormons are up in Elko County on the border with Utah.

The polygamists tend to be in Arizona on the southern Utah border.

WA State, in its infinite wisdom, is having both. If the parties don't like the results of the primary, they can use the results of their caucus.

wow if this is true...

A Release out from the McCain campaign South Carolina State Director Buzz Jacobs ...

"We have received reports from Horry County that voters are being turned away from the polls, because electronic voting machines are not working and paper ballots are not available. Some voters say they are being instructed to return at a later time. We are disturbed by these reports and hope that this issue is resolved immediately. We encourage any voters who were turned away from the polls to return again to their polling place this afternoon to exercise their constitutional right to vote."
--Josh Marshall

Jamie,
Do you know what percent of the voters who turned out in NV were Mormon? Is there an exit poll giving the percentage of Mormon voters who went for Romney?

The Obama campaign has a tape of a negative robo call about him-
http://obama.3cdn.net/f9a25fca23f464dd07_8rdmvbduw.mp3

I know the woman running the Caesar's Palace Caucus being shown on CNN. There are lots of Iowa Political Operatives assisting Nevada, at least, as best they can considering the unusual rules.

Navada Mormons- 7% of population, 25% of the repub voters that turned out, all of which went for Mitt I think.

oh GORDO.. the public IS aware of his middle name.. no one cares..

"If you have a primary, the state pays. If you have a caucus, the party pays.”
Craig..... isn't that what I basically told you 2 days ago...... that a caucus was much cheaper for a state than a primary....... sometimes you should listen to me..... :0}

tylenol..... I know how you feel..... I just got through catching up with all the post from last night and today...... I feel like it took me forever.....

ok.... I remember who some of those people were in the video....
the guy with the funny sneakers.... I think it's Nash... not 9/11.... that's the Boston skyline not NYC....
woman w/bikini..... Julia
woman w/ owl.... Jamie
man playing w/3 dogs.... MadMustard
man w/ black sweater & beard..... 9/11
blonde woman on bench w/ cocker spaniel.... tylenol...
man w/VW bus.... Dexter....
shot of just woman's head looking straight on.... someone no longer here..... Sable
the girl looking away.... Blue... and one of the cats is her's
the man w/tennis racket..... no one's ever admitted to who he is....

the cartoon of a bar room with people being rowdy was posted by Nash... we called the picture "Crawford's Cafe"... many of us identified ourselves in it...... I remember Lardass Liberal identifying himself as the one with...... what else.... a big ass.....

I bought a beautiful white bleeding heart to plant in my garden at the time and wanted to take a picture to include in the video.... I had a bad flu and Rick was in Houston at the time.... I didn't know how to upload photos and didn't have the energy to figure it out..... the bleeding heart comes up every spring and I enjoy it and think of all of you.....

OK..... Gordo....
I did defend you yesterday.....

but it has become more than obvious that you are a plant.....

no one's buying it anymore sucker....

Harbor,

Both parties have decided that only the caucus will count in Washington. The Primary is just a tax supported boondoggle strictly for show that neither party cares about.

Gordo
You are beginning to sound like a Republican plant.

LushisLinda, the Crawfordslists First get together video.

I think the bikini = Julia, girl red shirt = vanilla birdies, woman with cam = Sheila, alligator = Fry, woman with owl = Jamie.

Maybe?

tt

thanks for that jamie.. i'd forgotten who's who in that video...

did someone post the link to that video on here? (there are so many posts to read.. lol)

Renee,

Should we tell Gordo that on this blog we are such contrarians that trying to push us around is likely to drive people to Obama not away from him. :-)

If he truly is a Clinton or Edwards plant, he is losing them votes.

tylenol..... no offense.... but that's the second time you've attributed one of my posts to Jamie..... I did that long list....

tiptoe..... yes.... the girl in the red shirt is VanillaBirdies.... 9/11's daughter.... and the brindle dog on the couch with the large upright ears is their dog.... Muffy...

I'm with the bird in the awful picture. The better one is me with the Statue at the New Lanark world heritage site in Scotland.

so sorry RR.. her post was right under yours and I missed it.. thanks for posting the list, RR..