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Bush economic package

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Just got this email:

"McLean, VA - Senator Fred Thompson today issued the following statement about his campaign for President:

'Today I have withdrawn my candidacy for President of the United States. I hope that my country and my party have benefited from our having made this effort. Jeri and I will always be grateful for the encouragement and friendship of so many wonderful people.'"

Paul Kurgman sees the plans differently
Clinton and Edwards closer and
on Obama
"The Obama campaign’s initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I’m sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama’s top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from “morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending.” Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure — doesn’t that sound familiar?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/opinion/14krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Economic Scorecard: Republicans have to deal with Bush's horrible econ policy. It hurts them all.

Romney: got rich firing people.
Giuliani: more tax cuts to business won't save the economy, and voters know it.
McCain was RIGHT to oppose the Bush tax cuts.
Huckabee: has the best chance pushing SPENDING programs that help lower-income people.

The three top Dems all have the same ideas but they're still too timid, not pro-active enough. (Afraid to be called liberals, but that's the kind of econ policies that voters want, even in the red states.)

They want a New "New Deal."

bye Fred..we hardly knew ya.. (cue L&O ching-ching)

is it my imagination or are all campaigns, with the exception of Romney's, in trouble financially?

Craig, Your HRC support is to obvious

Thomas F. asked about his on the last post, so repeating the answer here: "NEW THREAD" in the comment section simply means that there is a new posting for fresh comments. All topics are welcome. This is an open thread blog.

Anyway, on Sunday Mr. Obama came out with a real stimulus plan. As was the case with his health care plan, which fell short of universal coverage, his stimulus proposal is similar to those of the other Democratic candidates, but tilted to the right.

"For example, the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals, and emphasizes across-the-board tax cuts over both aid to the hardest-hit families and help for state and local governments. I know that Mr. Obama’s supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy."
Krugman

And many want to thank Mitt for saving the jobs and turning the ships around !! Yes it is hard for some that paid the price.. But the overall turnaround and keeping jobs is the mission. Other wise all would have lost in time.
Is this a concept that can be understood?

The fact the Mitt saved Jobs is significant. McCain failed in Mich. with his straight talk. OK - fine we have a problem, US Auto Makers did not respond to the new economics.
I do not just want the hard truth, I want leadership and a plan for success, true hope.

PING FOR MITT !

TOTALLY OT

nanny...

The new one makes two dogs for me! My 'old' dog is a goldendoodle (half standard poodle/half golden retriever), and is the best dog in the world! My 'new' one is a 5-year-old rescue...a shih tzu that a neighbor was going to take to the pound. She's a very sweet dog, and I just couldn't see risking her being put down for no good reason. I'll get her completely house trained, then decide whether to keep her or find her a loving home.

Your Bear sounds very cute!

Noron is being unusually, even for her, partisan today. Virtually every 10 minutes and then with every guest she gets in Obama's dig about "Which one am I running against" and that Bill Clinton is touring SC on Senator Clinton's behalf while she is in California.

Not once during all of this does she mention where Michelle Obama might be spending the day. I have my doubts that she is walking three feet behind her husband while smiling at the throng without saying a word. It would be just a bit out of character.

Goose - Gander Pot - Kettle

yep.. and Noron just made a big deal about Hillary's holding a press conference this morning and didnt mention a thing about Obama's conference call with reporters

Noron---that's a good name for her, jamie. she just said the clintons will do anything to win. well, so will obama, including sidestepping his "politics of hope." just she think any of these candidates is in it to lose????

Craig,

Please pull off your cast and toss it at that woman's head. Criticism is one thing. Outright partisan slant from what is supposed to be a NEWS show is detrimental to a network that seems to be trying to make its reputation based upon politics.

The hosts should take lessons from C-Spans. Let the people who support the candidates do the slanting not the hosts.

Jamie...I think that could backfire on Nora and friends. Maybe it's just me, but I thought that phrase about not being able to tell who he's running against sounded a little whiny coming out of Obama's mouth.

You know, it's interesting what the MSM chooses as the clips they run with. If they really wanted to serve the American public and the political process, they'd choose clips of candidates debating how they'd handle our issues, but nooooooo....

oops! that's supposed to be "does she think any of these candidates are in it to lose????"

Thompson will support Mitt?
Hey thats the ticket, Mitt and Fred?
vs Hillary and ?

i was disappointed that MSgop didnt cover the MLK speeches in their entirety yesterday... it's not like there was pressing news to cover..

Maybe many of you are confusing Entertainment programs with News?

Hey Folks,

I don't know how many of you are homeowners but if you are, now is a great time to explore refinancing. Rates dropped today and they will continue to trend down for the next few weeks before they bottom out again.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask!

ya want new??? read a newspaper coz ya aren't gonna find much news on tv. that is the sad truth about the so-called "cable news" channels.

Any time Obama is backed into a corner, he will either whine or come out with something snarky or sarcastic.

He has a good brain, a great education, and a wonderful speaking skill. He needs a lot of seasoning at the national level before he is ready for prime time.

i agree, jamie. maybe he'll be ready in 2016, after hillary completes her second term.

ping.. we're not confusing anything.. i don't have a problem with programs like hardball or KO doing their slants.. what's on right now is a newscast.. and she's no newscaster..

Just recieved this from bill richardson. he isn't endorsing anyone.

"After living inside the tornado of a presidential campaign for 11 months, it has been so good to get back to New Mexico and the business of running this wonderful state I call home.

I've had a lot of calls from the media asking me which of the remaining Democratic candidates I'm going to endorse. And I thought you should be the first to hear my answer.

I'm not endorsing any of them -- at least not for now.

But I am endorsing the issues and priorities that were first raised by my campaign and which are now an accepted part of the discussion."

nannymm

That was when I was planning on voting for him. :-)

On the stimulus plan, Senator Clinton mentioned a possibility of sending not just a rebate bu getting money to those on SS or Disability because they were the ones hurting most with the increased cost in energy as well as being the ones who would move the money back into the economy immediately.

Good short term plan. On the long term side there needs to be infrastructure and green investment that would create jobs more than making the Bush tax cuts permanent where the funds would tend to just wander out of the country.

Oh come on Noron. That Baseball team was given to Bush just like everything else in his life. He's never had a successful job in his life.

Mitt Romney? I wouldn't vote for that homophobic baby making machine if he was the ONLY GODDm candidate.

Ok... I just looked at your blog. I agree... you are intense, and passionate, and those are good things. we will have to agree to disagree on Obama.

jamie..and he ran that baseball team right into the ground

"That Baseball team was given to Bush just like everything else in his life. He's never had a successful job in his life."

He got the land for the stadium through eminent domain and the taxpayers coughed up for the bill.

he couldnt even successfully run an oil company!

daddy's friends had to bail him out of all his financial disasters.

What I find truly aggravating about the news channels is that they hire good looking, under educated news readers and shill them as "reporters". There was a great deal of information and several proposals presented amidst all the squabbling last night.

A follow up on those presentations and proposals would have been good for their viewers even if simplified to be easily digested by the public. What do we get? Silly and sloppy.

Jamie,
Take a deep breath. Put down the remote. Back away from the tv. And take the pledge: No More MSNBC.

MSNBC is to news as the Food Network is to puppies. Fox and MSNBC are all opinion all the time.

My prediction: the Republicans will have a brokered convention and wind up nominating (drum roll please) Neil Bush. Campaign slogan will be: "I'll do for the U.S. economy what I did for Siverado Savings and Loan!"

Heath Ledger found dead in NYC

Ran / Tiptoe / Craig

Thomas Freeman our new friend from Belgium has a website and needs to get on the Trailmixers list

http://eurotom.blogspot.com/

And just going by his posts a blue light on the map, but I'm not sure where in the ocean you'll put him to represent Europe. :-)

A quick jump in between things - I actually got a chance to watch themajority of the debate lasty night - I have to give it to JE- he took it in my book. I am afraid, however, that it is too little, too late. And contrary to one source I saw, i thought Obama finished a distant last in it. Way too winey to be president, and co-opting Hillary's complaints about him and John piling on in the earlier debates and complaining that he doesn't know which Clinton he's up against - at least only one of them is running against him.

Yep, the economic news is not good. Foreign markertslosing what, 5-7% on fears of a US recession, and the market was down 100 points last I heard AFTER the Fed dropped rates 3/4 points today in an unannounced between meetings move. Talk about attempting to stop the bleeding, What do they think they can do tomorrow?

Oh, bye, bye, Freddy - chickenshit.

dnd

As much as I love current events and politics, it's hard for me to go cold turkey on either CNN or MSNBC even as dumbed down or slanted as they might get.

Now FOX is easy as I'm not much for complete fiction.

Ty,
"is it my imagination or are all campaigns, with the exception of Romney's, in trouble financially?"

The Bloomberg campaign has billions!

well..dnd..i meant declared candidates..and repugs too.. the dems all have piles of money..

With all the talk about Senator Clinton, it might be worth noting that today is the anniversary of the death of Queen Victoria who reigned for almost 64 years from 1837 through 1901. I did a write up on her.

Anyway England seems to have done fairly well with women at the head of the nation with Elizabeths I & II, Mary, and Victoria. Cunard now has all of the afloat to prove that England can still rule the waves. The new ship Victoria is a wonder just to look at much less sail in.

http://www.cunard.com/ourships/default.asp?ship=QV

thanks Jamie -- Thomas Freeman added to the blogroll

I wasn't referring to Mary Tudor, but other than religious persecution and a tendency to behead or burn anyone who got on her bad side, she wasn't a bad Queen. lol

There was William and Mary and George and Mary. The ship was named after the Mary Victoria of Tech consort of George V, the present queen's grandmother.

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/wurttemberg/teck/1867%20Mary-10.jpg

Now the ship built by Henry VIII that was recently refloated after centuries underwater was the Mary Rose named after his sister.

Hi Gang,

Just dropping in to say,,,,,,,man you guys were prolific today. it took me an hour 15 today to read.

Its great having so much play on the Blog. BUT! Since Aging Hipster isn't here to do it.

YOu guys probably don't even realize how much you are ragging on Obama and Ignoring Edwards.

You Clintonites don't have a clue how to be good sportsmen.

most of you TREAT Obama like he's a demon. Don't deny it.

The Diferance between you and harbor, Hipster, Dog, Renee, and myself? We are kinder in our thoughts on all of the candidates.

The rest of you are still slaming without care. I bet Ping and Jennbe are as amazed as we are at the Ranker here.
OK. Of My stump

Ah, Maggie Thatcher. Good times... How fondly we remember her school girl giggle while flirting with Ronnie and getting those cold stares from Nancy. Who can forget her opposition to German re-unification? That little scamp. And her lovingly distaste for consensus! What a hoot. I miss the old girl...

dnd

I have said many complimentary things about Obama as well as praising Edwards, particularly for his performance last night. Could it be that slights are in the eye of the beholder?

psssssst Jamie that was Sheila patting herself on the back

Jamie,

Could it be that you are taking my Stump speech personally, rather than flipping it off because its mainly not you? :0) Relax and beieve in yourself.

Thomas, I have not observed Mitt as Homophobic? How do you come to this conclusion? Something I missed... Huckster yes,

Sorry that was for Sheila not dnd

Pssstttt Katie,

Nope lol I am speaking up as someone who believes in good sportemanship and is not afraid to remind people that snarky goes both ways.

Sheila...
FYI...... I have sworn off saying anything about the candidates or the horse race until Feb 5th..... that is unless I can't help myself..... :0}

I'm not into all this Dems bashing Dems going on on this blog.....

hopefully.... Feb. 5th will give us a true frontrunner and then we can get down to the business of releasing our rage where it belongs...... bashing Republican candidates.....

Its the Monster Bash,,,,
You do not have to be on the blog to see the bashing. A good point is better to get the Bashing and closets open now and not in the main race.

Renee Girl,

I know. I heard ya. that's why I mentioned you. You surely are a kindred spirit with me. Make love not war. ;0)

Didn't think so Sheila, but you did say "Clintonites" and I am part of the collective noun. :-)

Ping Pong

Romney and Homosexuality - Major Flip Flop

http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2007/10/romney-versus-log-cabin-republicans.html

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5944.html

Ping,

Full disclosure and intelligent discussions about weaknesses and strangths of all candidates should be what we are doing.

But not this year.....

All the candidates are going to shift their "message." Economic policy now becomes #1 issue.

And they will criticize each other's econ policies.

This could lead to SUBSTANTIVE debate, not silly stylistic crap, or personal attacks.

>>>You Clintonites don't have a clue how to be good sportsmen.
most of you TREAT Obama like he's a demon. Don't deny it.
<<<

Be specific from today. Use examples. Name names.

Patsi,

Are you going to freak on me too?

Nash,

I think you may be right about that. But No one can make sense of how to do something until they know how to get out of Iraq.

They can't say how they are going to get out of Iraq until they get full disclosure on what is really happening by the Pentagon.

So, "Tell Me How you are going to get us out" and How are you going to solve the coming recession" are both Moot and Psoitively "Catch 22"

nash,
"This could lead to SUBSTANTIVE debate, not silly stylistic crap, or personal attacks. "

So are so a glass-half-full guy...

"Psoitively" Russion, don't you think? ;0)

Anger & Fear = Political "Change"

A growing number of economists now say that we could be entering a DEPRESSION, not just a recession.

Many, many people still clinging to a precarious "middle class" identity are going to wake up soon, and discover that they are poor. And ANGRY.

Many, many more will FEAR that they will be next.

Nash,

I think that Economic 4 letter word should be thrown around more so people can get used to it again. If they are scared enough, we might be able to get things taken care of.

Sheila....for some reason the board cut off part of my post. I asked you to be specific. Who said what? I agree that we have had some trolls. But I'm starting to feel like no one is allowed to have an opinion now....

I thought the comments were pretty good today.. good convo about real issues: economy, healthcare, supreme court..

and I'll mud wrestle but only if I can throw mud at Bri.. :P

Everyone is alowed an opinion. I was just stumping about all the bashing. Patsi, in defense of the way it used to be here.

I would and WILL NEVER take someone here to task. They know if they have been unreasonable. I stand by what I said.

AND, as most know about me, I like good debate and am very opinion to the truth. Even about my own candidate.

The hate felt on this blog about Obama for the last couple of weeks is offensive to 50% of the membership here.

Just pointing it out without calling out. The only way to help the situation is to mentor and help. I've done it before. Now maybe you senior CLintons should help too. I love to see togetherness in a positive way.

I mean I am humble today. My Candidate learned a hard lesson last night. But he is My Hero Still.

As Hip always says, "All I'm sayin".

Nash....
honey..... please drink a cup of coffee..... :0}

I guarantee you that all that anger is waaaaay more unhealthy than a bit of caffeine....

I really miss your sense of humor.....

Ohhhhhh!!!! I miss it too!!

But Nash, I have always thought you are soo brilliant. I enjoy reading your stuff, when you are inspired.

It's good that HRC called BO a liar last night about his fairy tale about being antiwar, save for the 2002 speech. Everyone interested in ending the war knows that BO has been a cheerleader for the war, as has HRC...the difference is that HRC is honest about it, refusing to back down on her vote or support for Bush's occupation of Iraq.
I was wondering if HRC will be met with a trace of what happened to Geroge McGovern in October of 1972.
Just weeks before the general election, McGovern called Nixon a liar, and sort of went on about it a bit, pointing out, mainly, how "Nixon's Secret Plan to End the War" was a bogus LIE.
Of course I was applauding my TV set, but MSM turned it against McGovern, saying The President deserved more respect from a challenging opponent, and the whole theme turned against McGovern.
McGovern, already trailing badly in the polls, was absolutely obliterated in November by Nixon.
We'll see if Obama gets a bump from Hillary's charge.

DEX,

I am absolutely blown by how the crowd distort the truth on this one too.

Now lets be real. Clinton and Edwards voted in Unity with the information that they were given. It was the first time in our generation that there was an attack on our country. They information was faulty and that's the truth. We were lied to by the "President of the United States......before this would you have ever thought that any President could be so heinous????? Holy !@#$!

I personally don't hold Clinton and Edwards respoinsible. I don't hold OBama responcible for being as hot tied as the rest of CONGRESS to fund our boys and girls overseas.

May be cut and dry for you and the rest, but its just not. My Baby was over there for 3 tours. Now, do you think because our HEINOUS CRIMINAL President is extorting Congress, they should make our beloved sons and daughters AND the IRAQIS pay?

WE need DEMS in the House and full disclosure.

Well, Sheila....I've pretty much been here from the beginning. But until recently I have felt like I could say what I thought. There's a LOT of snotty hit & runs on Hillary....and the nuns don't usually smack them on their hands with a rular.

There's a lot of things I could have posted about Barack....especially since I read a lot of black activist blogs. Some of them are detailed accusations. But I never did because I saw no reason to fan those flames.

I'm the one who says Bill Clinton was our best president, but even I sort of cringe when I hear and see him being an attack dog against BO...his desire to get back into the White House has stripped him of his aura, his dignty he left office with after his troubles 10 years ago.
But...people listen, and remember. And the Clintons are all they are painted to be...ruthless, pit bull-like, agressive, but when Bill talks we can be sure of one thing: he's telling the truth.
Anyone who dredges up 1998 and the things Bill said then is missing the point...Bill knows what he is talking about, and he knows what he is doing.
Clinton haters probably hate him even more lately...Clinton supporters probably love him ten times more than before.
I realize that I am going to have to drop my standards regarding voting for a peace candidate...unlesss I want to vote 3rd party, I'll have to decide between BO and HRC.
What's a potential Bloomberg candidacy going to be all about?

Patsi,

I have always respected your opinion. You have to know that. I refuse the call people out.

But with that, why can't I call foul too? Why can't I remind people here when we need to gather some civility again?

Here is the question of the night.

Sheila,

Virtually all of the extensive anti-Obama material has been coming from one troll who specifically tries to get the terms involving illegal substances into the remarks. Several of us have told him to cut it out.

As a researcher and someone who plays Google like a symphony orchestra (everyone needs one claim to fame), trolls are a particular aggravation. To do a fast and accurate search, you have to reduce everything down to the least possible, accurate words.

Trolls create a climate where a very few logical terms will make references to thousands if not millions of statements, articles, and commentaries crowd up the top of a list in a way that interferes with the search goal. This is the way you get some of these weird insulting articles at the top when you put in seemingly innocent terms. They really make things difficult for researchers which is why I was really slamming Gordo. To me, he is the ENEMY :-)

And what about Johnr my pal -- what a load of anti clinton crap

Well,

isn't Bloomberg about getting us back on track Economically? But I'm hearing he won't run if he knows He can't Win.

So Guys and Girls,

Isn't it about time to influence the newbies back to the greatness of this blog? Just the Hall Monitor Influencing her best friends.....

Come on. its time to mentor. These people who really like us. Free Speech is good, but civil free speech is an art and most people would really like to know how.

We all know its taught through example. We all have varied ways, but they are all good ways.

I think RR said it best.
She was glad Obama could get down in the dirt.

I rather resent the idea the Obama campaign pretends to be above "politics." When it simply is not true.

Let's talk about the issues.
I felt the characterization Craig made of the economic plans was misleading and posted a Paul Krugman column on all the candidates econ plans.
In my book if you cannot discuss the issues what is the point.

You know it Katie!

Off topic and pure fun. The nominations for the Oscars came out today. Starting tomorrow you can put in your entries for the annual contest at the Oscar site

http://oscar.com/

This year's prize ... diamond ring or cuff links.

Sheila, It's the fault of Edwards and HRC for voting for the war in the first place , there was plenty of reason not to give Bush the green light. Blix hadn't finished the inspections...and Bush rushed to war on phony grounds Cheney had drummed up way before 9-11. I was sickened when it was made clear he had overstepped all precautions and unleashed Shock and Awe.
There were too many reasons NOT to bomb Iraq.
Not all people of Congress voted to bomb Iraq. The ones that did were caught up in Bush's rush and weren't thinking straight, or , I suppose, blindly trusted Rummy, Cheney, and Bush.
Bush seemed to be a good leader in the immediate aftermath of 9-11...he had much support to go into Afghanistan , to root out bin Laden.
Then he got back to his original plan to "tie it to Saddam..."
Cheney, Bush amd Rumsfeld had this goddam thing cooked up WAY before 9-11 and Congress fell for it.
So GOOD for Obama to condemn it in 2002...and "What the HELL!!??" to him for all hios votes to fund the war in his US Senate years.

Oh VIGO.....he was pure joy in Eastern Promises

Dex 'ol buddy,
"but when Bill talks we can be sure of one thing: he's telling the truth."

Um.... I dunno. Depends on what the meaning of "is" is. When he said that in Nevada, while he and Chelsea were walking through the hotel lobby he overheard some union geek (or was it an employer) tell an employee that a vote for Clinton would threaten their job, it wasn't too plausible. Someone would have to be mighty stoopid to say something like that so that Clinton, who's surrounded by a phalanx of secret service and press, loud enough to hear it.

I don't think anyone here needs to bash Obama or Hillary because they bash each other enough already. We'd just be piling on!

You know Dex? As sure as you were born, There is STILL something, some piece of the puzzle that we don't know about. The Public doesn't know and the Congress does.

Unfortunately we won't know either until the DEMs get into WH or when things are declassified. But THERE is something.

There is NOT a Congress and Senate full of Stupid Cowards. Something important has happened behind the disgise of Top Secret.

Speaking as a relative newbie...9 months now...I agree with Sheila. I'm not sure those of you who so strongly support Clinton realize how much you've been crowing, or how much some of the rest of us have felt slammed for merely having an opinion that differs from yours. This AIN'T the Clinton for President blog. But it's not limited to Obama supporters; we Edwards supporters are on the receiving end of some digs, too.

FWIW, I think it's fine to state your opinion, but I don't think it's fine when that opinion causes you to denigrate those of us who don't share it. I'm just sayin'....

The old joke is that a plane crashes into the Potomac, and Bill Clinton walks on the water to go out and rescue people, and the headline in the WaPo an NYT is "Bill Clinton can't swim!"

I keep seeing these blurbs on CNN etc. "Coming up! Bill viciously attacks Obama" and then when they roll the video, it's just Bill, calmly and mildly discussing Obama's record, or something he said.

They act like Clinton has been whipping out the clenis and beating Obama about the head with it. On national teevee.

But you are seeing something we are not. We are seeing the MSM acting exactly the way they always act. You are just seeing red and we are seeing that the MSM is stupid katie.

Speaking of Stupid. Here is a stupid Clever one. I tried not to laugh. But I just couldn't help it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScoMhVZQnw

next time you think about suggesting the high road
I'm going to repost that :)

welcome to the low road

dnd -- did you not read that lengthy post I made from someone who was actually AT those caucuses? Chelsea had union guys shouting "Kick her out!" And that came from some Latina maids who were pissed about it. Is that your idea of a Bill Clinton lie?

As I said way back in the earlier thread....I don't blame Obama for what a bunch of union jackasses did. But if you think they were all smiling and making nice....you need help.

Ask yourself this: all indications were of a HUGE turnout at those casinos. It was far less than expected. Why? Could some have felt threatened?

Well, I did say it was stupid and I tried not to laugh!!!

And for the record. Bills comment about a Fairy tale was fair. Obamas reaction was fair in politics.

But Bill over doing it and playing tag team gives Former President a new demention. I think it may back fire on them.

Just a bit though. There will be no bump out of SC for Barack. I just feel it.

well ok ...
as long as you tried not to laugh....

No one ever asks what the other candidate's spouses are doing.. Elizabeth Edwards is campaigning just as hard as her husband.. now I like Elizabeth.. think she's amazing.. but Obama knows who he's running against.. it's a good tactic on his part, but it's a tactic nonetheless

And I mean Backfire in the General, so they had better get a grip and soon.

Of course its a tactic you brilliant woman you! He's a match for these two. He's just new at it. But don't you think he's done well until this mistep?

Hey everybody,
News from Missouri. First term, Govenor Matt Blunt is not running for reelection.

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/13993902.html

Quote
-------In a stunning announcement, Blunt said he had decided not to seek a second term because he had accomplished virtually everything he set out to do when he ran for governor four years ago------ end quote

I'm still trying to remember anything he has done except kick children off of medicaid

Jack

"The old joke is that a plane crashes into the Potomac, and Bill Clinton walks on the water to go out and rescue people, and the headline in the WaPo an NYT is "Bill Clinton can't swim!""

Katy...I laughed out loud at that one, and am still chuckling.... Sadly, it's all too true.

I didn't watch the YouTube thing....because I was pretty sure it was like those Hillary is a lesbian jokes I get via email that always start out -- "Dem or Repub, you gotta admit this is FUNNY!"

Sheila.. i was actually advocating for Bill's campaigning... If I were Hillary I'd want Bill campaigning for me... I think one of the reasons dems lost in 2000 was they were running away from him... he's brilliant..

Patsi its over the line if you feel delicate about Bill Clinton and his filandering days. Which are gone.

most of the time I think its crass. But this one was clever and crass. I couldn't help giggling wryly.

It came in the mail for me too.

But don't watch it if you feel not so happy.

Darn it..... Mitt is like HRC and BO... Pandering for votes.... Darn you Mitt Darn you

Patsi... i have friends who get unusually upset if I say anything untoward about Bush (like he's their favourite uncle or something).. but feel perfectly at home telling me some horrible joke about Hillary (you know the kind)

Bills brilliance is his hand to hand loving of people and Everyone knows it.

But, there's such a thing as pushy and too much. They have to know when to pull that tactic back and wait for another oppotunity. too much of a good thing may be their down fall. The REPUGS are watching and taking notes.

Save the rest of the plus for the General when they will really need it.

BTW,

You can TELL Bill is {pissed}. He is going on a walk about in SC to show Obama who is really the "Black Candidate". Its a matter of who is who. ;0) These are HIS people not Obama's

Tylenol,

I said the same thing about Michelle Obama upthread. Of course these spouses are out making it possible for the candidates to be in two places at once. I doubt either Michelle or Elizabeth are cooing over the wonders of Hillary. Of course any zingers will be completely ignored by the media so we will never know.

As in He won SC last time. I think he's gonna try to whip Obama and then thumb his nose Politically.

But, i think Obama Zinged Bill in Absentia last night and may just pull the state off. It was a brilliant come back about having to assess Bills Dancing skills. ;0)

Sheila,

Looked at your youtube all I can say is,
you are to easily amused.

Cliched, predictable, and boring is what I would call it.

Isn't it from that show that Fox tried to run as a conservative alternative to John Stewart. I know there is better stuff out there.

Jack

Obama said he couldn't tell if Bill Clinton was the first black president until he saw him dance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsWpvkLCvu4
Well I have seen Obama dance and I think Bill has a chance

Well jack ,

Pass them on. I am unschooled in this stuff on Utube and I am an Equal Opportunity watcher.

Just making sure I say nothing political....soon I will start to post about rose growing:

Easy Macadamia Nut Banana Spice Cake
With Cream Cheese Frosting

1 Duncan Heinz Moist Deluxe Spice Cake Mix
1-1/13 cup Buttermilk
3 Large Eggs, slightly beaten
2-3 VERY ripe Bananas
1/3 cup Softened Real Butter
1 Cup Coarsely Chopped Macadamia Nuts
1 Cup Finely Chopped Macadamia Nuts
1 TB. Cinnamon
1 TB. Vanilla
1 TB. Nutmeg
1 Tsp. Allspice

Blend all ingredients except the coarsely chopped nuts -- add those last. Pour a layer of batter into each of 4 cake pans, which have been coated with butter (or Pam) and flour. Bake at 325F for metal pans or 350F for glass, 25-30 minutes, until a toothpick comes out dry when you "poke it." Turn the layers out immediately onto waxed paper or a cooling rack.

Frost each layer generously with Cream Cheese Frosting (below) and stack them carefully. Use 2-3 toothpicks between each layer to hold the cake together. Use some chopped and/or ground Macadamia nuts between each layer if you wish, but definitely garnish the top layer with nuts.

Cream Cheese Frosting
2 -- 8 oz. package Cream Cheese (room temp.)

1 cup Butter
2-3 cups Powdered Sugar
1 tsp. Vanilla
1 cup Sweetened Condensed Milk

Old news, but just in case....Blend part of the cream cheese, butter and vanilla in a bowl or food processor and gradually add the rest of the cream cheese, blending well to remove all lumps. Gradually add condensed milk until preferred consistency.

I distinctly remember thinking, when it was becoming obvious that Katrina was much much worse than anyone thought, that had Bill been president, he would have been DOWN there..hugging everyone..handing out bottles of water.. DOING something.. not lighting up the night sky to give some phony speech about NOLA being all about 'surviving..'

OK, only for the strong at heart and stomach,
This is the impact of socialized healthcare in parts of Europe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOqoNc-JUgA&feature=related

SHOOT! He would have been in the trenches or just off shore on a ship directing.....Well in any case, FEMA would have been in great shape and working. The Military would have been activated in hours instead of weeks.

Patsi
Thanks for starting the where were you when MLK was shot comments. There were a couple of compelling stories. I am not one of them. I was a senior in college in Madison, Wisc. A roommate from a Chicago suburb was getting married in June and a bunch of us had gone to Chicgo to try on truly ugly bridesmaid dresses. I was in Marshall Fields eating frango mints.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wowM97jdMtk

Huckabee ad from Conan O' Brien

ping.. when my husband was having his stroke, and during his recovery, it just didnt occur to me to carry a video camera around with me, so unfortunately, I have no way of proving to you that a national health plan can and does work..

KGC..is there any other kind of bridesmaid's dress???

LOL Corey, that was cute!

actually Ty when the GWBush group owned the Texas Rangers they had two years they won the west division Title. Then they sold the team to Tom Hicks who still owns it. The Rangers have never had much success with winning since they moved to Arlington from Washington where they were the Senators. They have had great players along the way but it somehow never has worked out. It is true that Daddys friends put GWB in the deal because GWB did not have the spare change himself.

yo soy Horsedooty!

tylenol
so true and even today the tradition continues.

Ping Pong

The horror, the deformities ... Are you sure it wasn't exposure to nuclear power plants?

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the French store nuclear waste in the champagne region now ..recently they had to shut down the site because it was leaking. bubbles that glow in the dark
you will be able to easily distinguish French champagne from America champagne.

Welll LOL kate! Thats the impossible dream of All Sparkling Wines in the US.

its like Sturgone becoming extinct in Russia....not you Sturg. ;0) Sturgone has BTW. The only prospering industry is now the Columbia River and in another 5 to 10, the Hudson.

Sheila

2 quick ones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZroPLQWNVc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN1OCrRrgVw

Jack

First one is a side breaker! Now to the next one....

Bubbles that glow in the dark.

Far out Maaaaaaan.

Jack

Jack, that last one was so cute!

Thank you keith and Craig!

Hi - just found this site, and I am enjoying the discussion. It's great to have 3 good choices on the dem side. I'm in Florida, and ave been surprised to hear that polls show HRC with a 30% lead over Obama. If that holds true - I can see why HRC would "concede" South Carolina. She can get her super tuesday bump from Florida.

I love Rachel Maddow. She always agrees with me. lol

Instant money to the poorest for short term stimulus and modern WPA to fix infrastructure for long term recovery.

OMG! Jack Wait until you see this one. I LMAO...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_YjM2Qgceg4&feature=related

labber

Unfortunately because of the war between the national party and the state party, those delegates from Florida won't count unless the potential nominee can waltz into the convention with enough power to force the seating and counting of the delegation.

Additional info on commercials in Florida

Both Obama and Clinton will be running some ads in the state because supposedly they couldn't do a national buy without some going to Florida.

This may be a rule change, because I used to book National Sales and the agency had discretion as to the stations they would book on a National buy.

BTW, The Young man in that Utube Video is impressive too.

Jamie: Read about Rachel Maddow: http://dailyhowler.com/dh012108.shtml

However she got there, I'm happy she's there. At least we can hope for some balance to the more egregious MSNBC tomfoolery.

True cost of the Iraq war:

For about one months cost of the Iraq war , we could provide free care for all of our elderly that reside in nursing homes.

This one touches close to home. My mother has been in the hospital for the last month with a bad heart. She will no longer be able to live at home. It's my job to sell her farmland to pay her expenses she has incurred. I spent the day walking through the fields and woods remembering years past. No whineing on my part this is what the land is for, to take care of my mom and if I really wanted it I should have bought a part of it years ago. But before she can get any aid from the government she will have had to destitute herself. Most days I have more walking around money than she is allowed to have total

In case you missed it My first post on the cost of the war was earlier today.
For one year cost of the Iraq war we can provide a free college education to the class of 2008 in a public university.

Jack
Whose been double checking his zeros because he is not used to working with these large numbers

jaime - its actually not a war between the national party and state party that is the genesis of the problem with delgates from Florida. Its the Florida republican legislature that screwed the dems by refusing to reschedule the primary to a date that would conform with democratic party rules. When Florida dems were unsuccessful in getting the legislature to change, then the state party had no choice but to try to get the national party to award delegates based on primary results.
What can I say -- Republicans just hate to have Florida democratic votes count for anything.

I just saw this place on tv. Unique place to go for a drink or two.

http://www.chillon.com.au/

Or how about a funky bar?

http://www.funkbar.com.au/

Off to work. Night all!

Jack, thank you for your poignant post. I apologize that our board is too busy with YouTube jokes to pay attention to some very real problems.

Sheila
That young man is amazing. This one just blew me away.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aW4yVyt744g

Jack

THanks George

1. The horrendous cost of the war
2. The constant borrowing off budget
3. The mushrooming deficit that contributes to the crushing debt
4. The crash in the real estate market brought on by the sub prime loans
5. High cost of petroleum based products and transportation
6. The outsourcing of jobs
7. Incomes in what used to be called the middle class not keeping pace with increased costs ...

It is going to take quite a while to work ourselves out of this one even with the change in administration and a hopeful end to the war in Iraq.

Jack -- I'm glad that one of those videos helped. But on a larger field, I think we'd do well to pay more attention to the very real problems facing people than to so much online "humor."

Patsi
I enjoy a laugh as much as anyone, hell I will even posted one or two. We can't run on sorrow, anger or intellectual stimulation all the time we gotta laugh to. I don't expect much response I was just sharing some "I'll be damned" numbers. I'll probably post more as I find them. When they talk about what we spend in Iraq, 100 billion doesn't sound like much until you translate them to numbers closer to home and then they are staggering.

Jack

Patsi

Go look at the last youtube I posted, it was not humor just talent.

Jack

Have you folks noticed that EdVB has been missing for awhile, too? I wonder if we've run him away with all the recent ugliness and trying to dictate what sort of posts will be allowed? Hope not! He brought a great sense of humor and depth of thought to his posts.

HW, hooray!!!!!!

3 for Edwards???

tt

And now back to the topic of this blog segment.....

Toward the end of December, I had a chance to see Bill Clinton as part of my pre-caucus "live politicians" tour....

Below is part of an e-mail I sent to a friend after I got home...

"I went to see Bill Clinton today in Adel. First, he praised Al Gore for his work on environmental issues. Second, He spent a lot of time talking about how, if the US gets serious about energy independence, rural America should benefit economically the most.

He noted that wind energy, biofuels, and other renewable energy sources are agriculturally based. He also noted that in the case of biofuels, especially biodiesel, the manufacturing and distribution channels are not pipeline-based.

Therefore, there needs to be manufacturing facilities with good nearby highway infrastructures about every 200 miles. He predicts the next rise in the "middle-class" economy will be driven by those industries in rural areas that can create profitable solutions for energy independence.

In other words, "its the ENERGY economy, stupid..." (my adaptation of the original Bill Clinton quote)

3 for Edwards?

Absolutely, tt! I'll caucus for him Feb. 9 ( if he's still in the race) here in WA.

An interesting little Clinton/Edwards tidbit I just came across...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/22/offstage_action_at_dem_debate.html

HW

So?
Could the great peoples hero be in league with the satanic she devil?

Makes one go HMMMMMMM

Jack

Since it's late I'll post about half this Chicago SunTimes archived story I dug up , just to show you what Obama is up against from 1) HRC, and
2) any repugg he may run against in he Fall.

His enemies won't let this alone, believe me...

"Internship also links Obama, Rezko
Fund-raiser asked senator to hire contributor's son

December 24, 2006
BY FRANK MAIN Staff Reporter
In addition to a land deal, Sen. Barack Obama's ties to indicted dealmaker Antoin "Tony" Rezko include an internship the senator provided the son of a contributor at the request of Rezko, an Obama spokesman confirmed Saturday.

John Aramanda served as an intern for Obama for about a month in 2005, said Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs. His father is Joseph Aramanda, a Rezko business associate who was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal corruption case against Rezko. Aramanda has contributed $11,500 to Obama since 2000, Gibbs said.

"Mr. Rezko did provide a recommendation for John Aramanda," Gibbs said. "I think that it's fairly obvious that a few-week internship is not anything of benefit to Mr. Rezko or any of his businesses."

The internship revelation comes after Obama acknowledged he erred in buying property from Rezko in January. The transaction took place when it was widely known Rezko was under investigation by the U.S. attorney's office.

"It was a mistake to have been engaged with him at all in this or any other personal business dealing that would allow him, or anyone else, to believe that he had done me a favor," Obama -- a likely presidential candidate -- told the Chicago Sun-Times in November.

Jack...

I can't imagine what the Clinton/Edwards meeting means. The comments following the short article were an interesting read, though.

Here's the latest from the Intrade Presidential Futures Markets...

http://www.central.edu/publicdocs/01%2D22%2D08FuturesMarketGraphs.pdf

DEMOCRATS: Obama continues to clinch a win in SC.

Looking forward, Florida looks like a repeat of Michigan, where Dem. candidates also did not campaign....Clinton has about a 90% probability of winning FL.

REPUBLICANS: It's looking like Guliani's Florida strategy is going to have to same outcome as Davey Crockett at the Alamo...

This is going to be a two-man race. McCain still holds a tenuous lead, but Romney continues to gain more support each day. Guliani & Huckabee's support continues to weaken.

For an introduction to Presidential Futures Markets, please see:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/01/florida-to-forecast-both-party-1.html#comment-16896

HW
Thats kinda why my snark was as it was.

Dexter
Agreed this is something that Obama will have to deal with,
But I think that Obama's relationship to said crooks was through dealings with local church cdcs. Putting together grant proposals and the legal agreements they entail doesn't get you direct access to the company books. Beyond that the south side nonprofit community is a small community as is the Daley machine.

Jack

It's a BIG mistake for the country if it's NOT Edwards!!!

tt

http://patterns2.blogspot.com/

tt

Craig: Thanks for inviting me to join in & share views with you & your gang. Not sure if I'll fit in to your very vocal group but starting slow--you mentioned being on the lookout for TV ads. This week in Fairfield County, CT two Obama ads have been playing sporadically. (a health care ad & a "hope" ad using clip from his speech at the 2004 dem convention). No other candidates so far.

Coreen

PS add me to your Edwards supporters & I wholeheartedly agree that it will indeed be a big
mistake for this country if it is not him!

The Texas primary isn't until March 4, along with Rhode Island, Vermont and OHIO, the only yard signs out, so far, are for the locals.

tt

Holy cow! There are 24 primaries on 2/5. The MSM is gonna have a field day. They'll be chattering away faster than usual, even!

It's a lot of places for all the candidates to be at prior or on the day of.

tt

Only two yard signs in this entire small city , as far as I've seen in my daily travels...both for Ron Paul, and one is HUGE.
With all the churches here, I would have thought I'd see a few Huckabee signs...well, we have 42 days until our Primary.

a very interesting Dowd, about Billary vs. B.O.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/opinion/23dowd.html?hp

Wait! There may be 5! Dex...are you still with us?
EDWARDS 2008!

Harbor,

Makin it 5 1/2! I can't get over either Obama or Edwards.

Good appearance last night CC
-Hipster

any one have results from Louisiana's GOP voting last night?

-Hipster

Hope all my C-Lister pals have a good day. Dont spend too much time watching cable news!

Re: the stimulus package---Beware any government which tries to entice you into accumulating more personal debt.

Just my 2 cents (loaned to you at a lower interest rate)

-Hipster

PS- Sheila thanks for the nice words at 5 PM last night

-Hipster

Jack and Ya'll,

I'm am so impressed with this young man. STICK187

Found him while googling for funny Obama...couldn't find it. ;0)

Anyway. Look at this one http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NrIR6zaenAY&feature=related

Someone give this kid a leg up and a scholorship to a college somewhere.

He's quit because of negative emails and threats. I'm sorry to see that.

Harbor,

It looks as though in that Edwards/Clinton powow in Edwards green room that she was starting to wheel and deal for his delegates and his endorsement....and maybe another card?

Costly pills and hash......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p6pphVs8bF0