Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

So when is the real scrutiny of Obama going to begin?
I'm not sure the media wants to take on that task. What I see is constant fawning over Obama and a brutal assault on Clinton. It's as if the media is driving this thing.

I hope it is true Mr. Crawford, that Senator Obama is unbeatable but I just heard this morning on MSNBC something from Chris Matthews that was very disturbing and that I am sure many of us have always suspected on both sides but didn't want to really believe, and that is the great political machine that entrenched politicians have. Chris was saying that the Democratic establishment is not only getting together to come up with a different strategy for Senator Clinton to take but they are gathering their powerful forces all over the country with the intent to bring Obama down and bring Senator Clinton back to the "inevitable" winner. I hope millions of people heard this because I don't think that the average person believes that there is such a political machine and that it is so evil in the sense that it will do everything to keep the establisment established! All of us who hope for a new vision and true change - or at least a darn good attempt at it have to keep the numbers out for Obama so that he can continue to surf forward.

I feel that the Republican establishment will try to annihilate McCain as it is obvious that their candidate is Mitt Romney who has his talents and abilities certainly, but a guy who is going to consult his lawyers first before he goes at Bin Laden needs a very critical look! At this point, I, a Giuliani supporter, want very much that Senator Obama have his chance at the Presidency. A fair chance.

Clemmieo...IMHO, all politicians(including sweet baby Barack) are evil, egomaniacs, who will stop at nothing to win!!

Craig,

Someone should keep an eye on women (particularly above 40) as we move into the states where the Independents can't vote without prior change in registration. Many of us are so angry at the coverage of Hillary that we are screaming at the TV sets. It's as if every slight, slant, inequality, and prohibition that we ever suffered bumping our heads on that glass ceiling and "mommy track" is being uttered by every male commentator. They might as well be tattooed with "Iron My Shirt" on their chests.

If they keep making us unhappy, they may learn what happens when "If mamma ain't happy nobody's happy" start ganging up on Obama.

The media will go after Obama. But, he has to be built up first, that way he can fall farther. Politics on this level, is Blood Sport.

I think that you are right about Romney, the big money people want one of their own controlling the levers of power.

Celemmieo,

I noticed that you like Rudy, who is known as the plunger here because of his support of raping prisoners with plungers. I would love to know why. I, like everyone else recognized that he was more impressive than Bush on 9/11, but I remember how all he did as mayor of New York was to insult people and set up his post mayoral millions. Plus I think he's a jackass...

Anyway, welcome and I would love to hear your opinion of him

I would love to see a Clinton/Obama ticket.

Jamie,

It sure pissed off my wife and mother.

now, now, MoJo says that Matthews asked Obama all those questions - I, however am skeptical. They can be asked hard or soft - given Chris' hatred of Hillary, I'm betting they were soft.

I went over and read Arianna's diatribe about Clinton - my god she better hope Hillary doesn't win the nomination - unless Rudi the snake wins the repug nomination it will be hard to support such a vile person against that affable aw shucks hayseed Huckleberry.

Nice regurgitation of the repug talking points about Clinton. I've heard Hannity say the same thing more or less.

True change? Maybe, but I believe that is not likely, although if he wins the nomination, I certainly hope he wins the general and that is what we get. I'll certainly be voting for it.

Hey Craig,

In reading your first book, I remember your explanation as to why you don't vote in the elections you cover. Has this or any election for that matter, gotten you close to pulling a Romney on that one and pulling the lever for change? Could you vote in a historically significant election and still maintain your journalistic integrity if you knew the race would be a landslide where you were voting?

Anything to get rid of The Clintons is fine with me. Barack has integrity she and her sort of husband have none

I'm back from voting..... not sure mine will count for much....

Craig.... glad to hear you'd contemplate a Clisters picnic in NH..... my suggestion this past June kinda fell flat.... the White Mts. are my favorite part of this state....

and with the candidates having to move south after this primary...... I'd bet that McCain's comeback begins and ends with NH.....

Gloria Steinem OpEd from yesterday's NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/07/opinion/07steinem.html

Skylark,

You have personally met both people and have come to this fascinating opinion by what exercise of mental acuity?

jamie & bowman, fwiw, it pisses off Mrs. Pogo, too.

oh yeah..... forgot to mention....

the count in Hart's Location is very interesting...... northern NH is traditionally very Republican.... there were 13 votes overall for Dems and 16 votes overall for Repubs..... that's a very good count for the Dems....

reflection of things to come....

Renee,
Of course your vote counts for much. Every vote counts, if for nothing else than you voted.

BTW, the candidates go to Michigan and Nevada before they hit SC, though neither looks too favorable for McCain.

CNN is running a what women want and it is full of crap

Jamie...LOL @ "Iron My Shirt" !!

CNN just ran a Clinton hit piece in which they told us women don't support her. They must have worked very hard to find the swill spillers they found.
Self Loathing women who titter

Clem: "Chris was saying that the Democratic establishment is not only getting together to come up with a different strategy for Senator Clinton to take but they are gathering their powerful forces all over the country with the intent to bring Obama down and bring Senator Clinton back to the "inevitable" winner. "

Matthews will say anything to trash the Clintons.

And as far as Arianna is concerned, I hope she doesn't get on the recent bandwagon about Hillary just riding Bill's coattails. Arianna, whose claim to fame is that of being a beard for her ex.

Lush is Linda

That was on the sign of the guy who got evicted from a Clinton appearance last night. It is also the punchline to a risque anti woman joke.

Tweety is a moron is spews factless drivel
he doesn't fact check anything and just makes up crap
After all he predicted the Biden surge and the McCain Iowa victory.

He is jealous of Bill Clinton and takes out on Hillary Clinton. He is lame stupid jerk the media latched onto as their "liberal" :Liberals everywhere are horrified

He is nothing but a windbag whoneeds his mommy to interview him because he is afraid of a real interview

Arianna Huffington --who would take political advice from that whore. She couldn't even bear Ahnnold

even bear Ahnnold\

beat Ahnonold.

and Edwards is dead to me after his lame attack on Clinton yesterday,

KGC,

Be nice to Ahnold. My family all knew him before he became "The Terminator". There are times I disagree politically, but never forget that he really is a brilliant, kind man.

Jamie...I didn't see the guy w/sign, but I know the joke

Jamies
I always think of you before I launch an attack at Ahhnold (I try to remember not to call him the gropper)
He has not been a good governor..really no better than the clown he replaced. And he caused a lot of turmoil.
But I am sure he is quite personable and charming.
Things I am pretty sure Arianna is not. I cannot stand to listen to her. yikes!

KGC,

Use should remember that because of the system that California has established for itself, namely the ballot initiatives that have led to billions in mandatory spending demanded by the electorate there, the governor, in the grand scheme of things, is as useful as tits on a bull.

Jamie, I know people who have lunched with the Kennedy's and the Schwarzeneggers too. They readily state that he was the nicest of the bunch but that he wasn't the brightest bulb out there.

kc, JE is trying anything he can to get some traction - so far he hasn't hit on anything. He's still way behind the numbers of Clinton and Obama, depending on the poll. I think the relative changes in the Obama and Clinton numbers reflect that JE's numbers are pretty consistent, so if he is having any effect, it is to drive voters from Clinton to Obama - I doubt that is his aim.

Bear

Unfortunately the gov dooes still have some power (and the equally stupid assembly)
Yes we initiatived ourself into tax poverty here and have never recoved

But he had done some pretty stupid things including trying to run over everyone --alll the unions got together and handed him his ass. So then he hired every democrat aavailable and transformed himself into a do nothing middle of the roader.

Soon we will be releasing no violent offenders cause we got no prison space

pogo
Well Edwards made a big mistake trying to get traction over Hillary Clinton showing emotion..
I look forward to his attacks on Boner who cries everyday. And joe trippi a liar and a loser
the next Bob Shrum..only themedia likes them because they a consistent losers for Democrats

Actually, to be a little more precise, my initial reading of the Gallup nationwide nubers was off. Edwards has picked up about 5 points per Gallup in the past 3-4 weeks while Clinton has lost 12 and Obama has gained 6 in that period putting Edwards 13 points behind the other 2 who are in a dead heat at this point.

The governator - think he'll take a shot at becoming California's next Senator?

The governator - think he'll take a shot at becoming California's next Senator?

Posted by: pogo | January 8, 2008 11:21 AM

well he cannot be president...yet. That's the rumor but I kind of doubt it. I don't think being gov is all it's cracked up to be for him . He should have let Maria run. I think she enjoys it much more than he does.
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Yeah, kc, I agree that was a mistake. Funny, trying to make a big deal of a voice cracking when talking about America seems a bit disingenuous - of course as a trial lawyer, I'll bet he "cried" over the plight of his clients on more than one occasion. Now he's the tough guy. I may have the wrong read on this, but I'm betting that IF Obama wins the nomination, he'll be among those under consideration as 2nd on the slate - again. The cynicism and ego that would be reflected by him caring too little about his party and the country to decline that position would be pretty amazing to me - same goes for the other 2.

oh and Mrs Mika Scarborough sure sold her sole for a job

soul

so the loser Mitt Romney can continue to compete according to the maroons on msgobama but Clinton is over?

The Scarboroughs and their lame entourage are the worst coverage so far...even fuk is better,

The MSNBC official position apparently relates on ly to Hillary - MoJo isn't going out on a limb to apply the same standard to the repugs. It is ridiculous and transparent.

3 laws of winning

1. You never mention brand X by name. By doing so you only give brand X free advertising.

2. If you hire someone from brad X who left because they didn't get their way, never let them into your inner circle. That sort of person can not be trusted with inside information.

3. Destroy your opponent by illuminating their weaknesses, but you do not want to annihilate them. Always offer them an escape route so they can save face. If they then decline your offer, then you annihilate them. A person who can not accept defeat, or acknowledge they have been defeated is a very dangerous, treacherous self-absorbed narcissistic person.

for the love of God will someone stop Mr. & Mrs Scarboro? Please? This coverage was just awful.

altho.. i do like the idea of HRC taking out a restraining order against Tweety :)

hola..que pasa?

Hola, amigo.

Thank you KGC

That was very fair.

On the subject of the Prop 13 initative. It was a very necessary change from the standpoint of a very large percentage of people were about to lose their homes due to the skyrocketing property taxes in the Real Estate boom. Elderly people on fixed income who either had homes already paid for or whose mortgage payments were $150 a month were looking at tax bill of more that $5,000 a year.

Where it went wrong was in applying the same standard to commercial property that almost never changed hands as that applied to personal homes that might change every 5 to 10 years.

End result: Corporations got a big boondoggle of a tax break and private citizens got hit with every fee and local tax imaginable to try to make up for the loss in property taxes.

Jamie
abatement for people on fixed incomes would have been the proper thing to do.

Prop 13 was supposed to be the beginning of tax reform instead of the beginning and the end.

Bear,

He is extremely bright but his language skills even after all these years sometimes leads you to believe the opposite. If you take the time to allow him to do the mental translations, you see a much different person. That's why I always laugh when I hear him say, "and all these things". It simply means that he is trying to speak rapidly and finds he's running out of synonyms. :-)

KGC

You are right, but once those folks in danger of losing their homes were sold a bill of goods by the far right, there was no going back. Since then every attempt to modify the system gets fought tooth and nail by the corporations and large land owners with all the scare tactics aimed at the voters about "losing homes'

Personally I am not interested in a television talk show host choosing the next President of the United states...

Anyway I am for Hillary and the more I look at this campaign, the more I dislike Obama. When he was behind he started all these attacks, mostly on Hillary. He might win the nomination but I won't be very enthusiastic. Perhaps I am wrong for this, but men have run the USA forever. Isn't it time for a competent, caring, hardworking WOMAN to be President ? Hillary Clinton is smart, gifted and determined to make the country a better place for everyday people. To me there is no contest.

KC,

"Arianna Huffington --who would take political advice from that
whore"

I assume you mean political whore? My example of a #2.

I assume you mean political whore? My example of a #2.

don't assume anything

KGC

Arianna is certainly very bright. She can be very charming as well. The richer and more powerful you are, the more charming she gets.

The others are smart, gifted and determined too. The primary season, while keeping c-listers like us entertained and energized, can really turn off the electorate. Here we have 3 perfectly capable people front-running, and everyone is saying "if so-and-so wins, I wont be very enthusiastic." BE enthusiastic that there are so many good choices.

Mrs. Hufflington is a rich bitch contrarian

FD There is no "political" about it.

Thomas - Women have only been "allowed" to vote since 1920. Eighty Seven years is just too short a time period to entrust the government to a mere female.

tylenol....
I agree...... and we should be very enthusiastic about the Democratic turnout....

if it was almost split between Dems and Repubs in the far northern regions of NH..... I can't wait to see what the numbers show for southern NH.... which not only borders Mass..... but is where the bulk of this state's population lives....

B-rye, You should e-mail that line to someone.

nanny - I, too, am waiting for someone to shine a light on Obama. The media seems to be incapacitated by Obama fever. (I seem to be immune.) I can actually see myself voting for almost any Rep over Obama with the exception of Rudy. I'd have to have to change my name from Blue to Red, but I don't think we need another former drug-user with flimsy experience, but whom people find likeable in the WH. We've been there. We're still there.

The fact the Reps seem to be flocking to the guy (unless it's a GOP plan to mess with the Dem nom) doesn't give me warm fuzzies, either. On fiscal and social issues, why in the world would Reps jump the fence for Obama? I just don't get it.

Funniest thing on KO last night: video of Sean Hannity being harassed in NH by Ron Paul supporters.
"You suck, Sean!"
It's probably on youtube if you missed it.

I just think it's important to note that no matter who wins this on the dem side, ya can't pin a "stoooopid" button to any of them. They all have the ability to bring people to their feet, to make them excited about politics again. Going from Dubya to a President whose favourite book might be from philosophy, or science or great literature.. no matter who wins this, it'll be nice to have a president who knows a lot about the world and what makes it tick!

We are Democrats and we fight.
But Dr. Dean will bring us together we do have a much better field.

I think if there is Obamarama -- left Democrats shold take advantage of it and get rid of bushdog Democrats.

Not until after the election..ya might need those bushdog dems.

nash said this, "Funniest thing on KO last night: video of Sean Hannity being harassed in NH by Ron Paul supporters.
"You suck, Sean!"
It's probably on youtube if you missed it."

nash I posted it yesterday on one of the earlier threads it is really funny.

yo soy Horsedooty!

NEW THREAD

Blue: " I can actually see myself voting for almost any Rep over Obama with the exception of Rudy. "

Please consider the next Supreme Court Justice and reconsider that position.

KGC: RE Mika....she just longs for her father to be back in some position of power....that's JUST who we need. :(

Jamie: RE all the corporate welfare....go to amazon.com and order the book I mentioned to dnd...it's called Free Lunch by NY Times investigative reporter David Cay Johnston. Molly Ivins evidently read the manuscript before she died and said it was "horrifying." It's not that all the info is new, but it shows the progression (and blasts both parties) of how corporations got a stranglehold on the taxpayers.

As a lefty Democrat I've never really liked the Clintons. They cynically use empty symbolism, like singing in black churches. But, at the end of the day, they are financed by corporate money and they serve their masters well. (Deregulation, NAFTA, weakening labor law enforcement, etc)

Chris Matthews on MoJo this AM was right: the "establishment" wing of the Democratic party will rally all its resources to try to crush Obama. Just like the establishment wing of the Republican party is trying to crush Huckabee.

We are witnessing a populist revolt on both ends of the political spectrum.

Nash, NAFTA was created during Daddy Bush's tenure, though President Clinton carried it through. Deregulation has long been a darling of the right wing and that certainly didn't start or end with President Clinton. As for labor law enforcement, nothing, nothing compares to what there is now...

I was pretty left when I lived in the states. One thing I've learned is that if you are truly left wing, there is very little chance of getting your agenda through, unless you move center or compromise with others, and that means compromising your position. I don't care if Obama is young, if his father was a muslim with 4 wives, or whatever. If he is capable, he should have a shot at the Presidency.

But don't you all feel that a woman in leadership of the USA is long overdue? I do... America is strange. It's the most "westernized" nation and yet is almost the most conservative. Hell, even Pakistan had a woman Prime Minister, and what about Mags Thatch?

I am blathering... bye

Here is something for all you Ron Paul fans to read.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

Nash,

When did you become a Lefty Democrat? A month or so ago you told me you were a Socialist.

Sooner or later you knew the real Clinton war machine would come into play.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=4102345