Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Sunny Waterloo? Um, the Iowa caucus is over, and as far as I know, Rudy never went to Waterloo, IA. And the forecast for Waterloo isn't sunny until Sunday, and only partly sunny at that...

Just think, If he runs out of cash, he can stay in Florida. Suppose it's over for him, if he gets on board with one of the other GOP and they won, he could be head of homeland security or something. I would guess that Ambassador to the Vatican would be out.

He will probably go back to his consulting, maybe partner up with Bo Deitel.

Ok.. continuing upstate new york thread.. (and to coin a new phrase on C-list.. it's called the last place mentioned game.. I said alburg.. nanny said "alburg? ..." then nanny said Malone..etc..etc.. so .. in keeping with new tradition.. Plattsburg?? I used to play in a band that played at Brody's..

He cannot pay his staff.
People forget he was at the debates
And he does better in places he hasn't campaigned.
He spent a lot of money in both Iowa and NH. He just never caught on.

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Stop Campaigning
By now, Rudy and his people should've realized that what he really should have done was not campaign at all. Outside the warped twisted world of the Hardball studio, Rudy is a positively creepy dude, the kind of guy who you run away from as quickly as possible if you're unfortunate enough to get stuck talking to him at a party. I was watching a bit of him on CNBC last night and he's positively bizarre to watch.

The memory of the Mayor of 9/11 might haveve won it for him, if only he'd stayed hidden in his crypt for all of these months instead of going out into the light."
http://www.atrios.blogspot.com

Media Matters is asking people to write to MSNBC and give 'em hell about his misogeny. I assume this isnt the first time, but perhaps it will be the most mail they've ever received.

er.. oops..obviously the above post was re: Tweety

I love bowmanc's suggestion that Rudi could stay in FL if he loses there - and I suppose that like so many other post middle age NY men visiting FL, he'll wear ugly shorts, a sleeveless undershirt, black nylon OTC socks with brown leather sandals and will drive slowly and badly.

Isn't Bernard Kerik counting on Rudy becoming president so he can get a pardon?

Ah, Waterloo at the polls...maybe, I have the feeling Rudy may have made a huge blunder. He was the leading candidate for a long time, and then he just hid out in Florida...but...I thought Craig was way-off months ago when he said McCain was still viable...this just after McCain went broke and the rats jumped off the Skeleton Key express.
Now McCain is touted as the #1 choice among some talking heads.
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dnd...we are the forgotten minority now...McCain is gathering strength praising Bush and the war and people are buying it.
I seem to recall Vietnam dropped off the front page long before the helicopters were shoved into the South China Sea in April, 1975. There, Congress had finally seen the light and snipped the purse strings.
Here, we have a deranged lunatic charging for the White House gates with a scream to "keep troops in Iraq for ONE HUNDRED YEARS!"
dnd, we may be sunk, ourselves. I am really depressed today that Bill Richardson had to give up the only true hope we had.
Clinton: lies about ending the war....voted for it and always approves any and all funding...and is a hard-ass on Iran...supports Bush's delusions.
Obama: vague...was against the war before he was for it....and stayed for it through every fund request. Will offer no plan with a promise for total removal of US presence.
Edwards: The only hope left, and he can't yet get the steamroller streamrolling.
All the repuggs: All but Ron Paul are gung-ho idiots.

Ty,
Tweety is obsessed with Hillary (and Bill). He's not a misogynist.
Media Matters may be guilty of misandry.

sorry dnd.. he's very definitely a misogynist.. he's done it time and time again to women ...he's a pig..and the Hillary thing is just the latest..

Tweety does have gender issues
here is just one example not Hillary Clinton related
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/10/13918/840/812/420244

it certainly IS a gender issue..

what's it going to take to get you guys to believe us? it's not just hillary!

Amen Dex 'ol buddy. One more thing. A friend of mine who's a combat vet from the Vietnam war told me that everybody, EVERYBODY who returns from combat has PTSD. It just affects different people differently. Think about that.

hey bowman, this world is getting smaller by the minute! my hubby and i both have undergrad degrees from SUNY potsdam. my daughter too.

Does Chris Matthews have a problem with women?mediamatters.org — When Democrats took Congress in 2006, he asked if Nancy Pelosi was "going to castrate Steny Hoyer" if he were elected House majority leader.

Anyway, if any of you wonder why the more subtle forms of sexual harassment drive women nuts, this is it. Is it the end of the world? No. But it's completely inappropriate and it perpetuates this very creepy male prerogative in the workplace that isn't either fair ... or legal. Matthews is a pig. He should apologize to Burnett on the air for that nasty little display and then he should hire a lawyer. I doubt this is the only time he's acted like this. The man has obviously got a problem with women.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/piggish-prerogatives-by-digby-there-is.html

I used to rent a room from the guy who owned the Saxony Lounge in Rouses Point.. I used to sit in with the band sometimes too.

zackly, KGC..and Hillary better get a restraining order against him..

Ty,
"sorry dnd.. he's very definitely a misogynist.."

When I see his remarkable (or at least unexpected) respect for the insight of the female reporters he has on his Sunday panel show, it indicates to me that it would be unlikely that he's a misogynist.

Now perhaps he goes after female guests more than male guest on Hardball. I couldn't say, because I quit watching Hardball long ago. Tweety's Hardball persona is he wants to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral.

What is even weirder is that when he's the guest (and center of attention) on someone else' show, he actually has interesting ideas.

I think Dr. Phil should give up on Brittany Spears and visit Matthews.

Matthews hates women in general and hillary in particular. but he worships so called "manly" men. Anyone remember his revolting performance when when junior landed on the aircraft carrier and declared "mission accomplished?" he was practically orgasmic. the pig!!

" i'm afraid all these distortions might be creating a clinton vs obama, sexist vs racist situation, it's begining to worry me. if an intra party fued is brewing."

I fear that as well, nannymm. I think we're going to start to see things happen -- maybe memos, rumors --and they will be laid at specific campaigns' doorsteps. Karl Rove started his career that way. Then no matter what the truth the media cycle will repeat the horsecrap until no one can tell what's the truth of the matter.

I also think that more and more, offhanded comments will be taken out of context and meanings distorted.

I will say this for Joe Scarborough. When he first heard the "fairy tale" line and was told it reflected racism...he played the actual clip in full and said it was a bogus charge.

(Speaking of MoJo, Mika Brzezinski tried to (kind of) refute Matthews idiot charge that Hillary never would have been elected if Bill hadn't cheated while Matthews hopped up and down and screamed today....but he shouted her down and she finally backed off. He really did sound unhinged. I do think he's been incredibly sexist all along....he's almost like Bill O'Reilly in the way he comes at women. Then, add his hatred of Bill and Hillary and watch out....)

Apparently there is concern that people don't know a misogynist.. when they see one.

Think you're right Craig...However...If Romney manages a win in MI, that puts all the emphasis on SC for the following reasons:

1) If Huckabee wins SC, that suggests the voters are still fairly uncertain in terms of direction for the party, and that Huckabee wasn't just a fluke in IA. Guliani might be able to use the "east coast retirees" as a base to compete...However...

If McCain wins SC, or both MI and SC, its probably over for Romney, Guliani and Huckabee.

2a) After living in the south for 20 years, I would suspect Romney probably looks like a real carpet-bagger to the natives, and they won't vote for him (probably doesn't even know the real name of the Civil War). Until they make football an Olympic sport, they could care less about his Olympic background.

2b) Huckabee is having a hard time breaking into segments other than evangelical Christians. There's a lot of them in SC, but not as many in FL.

2c) The real swing segment in SC and FL is going to be active and retired military. There's a ton of them in both states, and McCain is one of them. As McCain also appeals to Independents and some Democrats, you might even see people in this segment registering to vote Republican so they can vote for him.

Bottom Line: For Guliani to stay alive until FL, he's got to hope Romney wins MI, Huckabee wins SC, and the people who would consider voting for him don't pay attention to the huge media push that his campaign is dead....

mi·sog·y·nist (mĭ-sŏj'ə-nĭst)
n. One who hates women.

If Tweety was a misogynist, I'm guessing that his wife, who is way more intelligent, accomplished and successful than he, would have left him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Matthews

McCain - Thompson '08

dnd

they are catholics

dnd
I guesd you didn't see the interview
He brought his wife to the show to interview him for his new book and the show's anniversary and then he did not let her talk

Actually Sheila who does know him commented on the marriage and characterized it as mother and son

There is ample evidence he has problems with women and not just Senator Clinton.,
If you want to live your life in an evidence free zone so you can pretend no one really knows fine.

But there is evidence and people do know and he is what he is.

Spike,
I found a paper you might find interesting: "Forming Voting Blocs and Coalitions as a Prisoner's Dilemma: A Possible Theoretical Explanation for Political Instability"

http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/blocs.pdf

nannymm,

Clarkson 79. Haven't been back to Potsdam since. I still have a buddy over by Clayton, first rate fishing guide. Here is an article about him.

http://espn.go.com/outdoors/tv/columns/schultz_ken/2053986.html

If you want to catch fish, Linda Vue Charters.

According to APand others, Giuliani only has $12 million so even if he wins in Fla

I guess he is counting on Club for Growth to do the negative ads.

Mr. Tylenol, who is no shrinking violet, can't figure out how Tweety gets back into the house every night.

dnd

I just made another round of all the newspapers and blogs with something to say about Hillary's "tears". Not one whether for or against, actually report the answer she gave. None of her words appear anywhere.

In the interest of my little crusade to actually force somebody somewhere to report what is actually said in context (whether you believe/support or not), here is the Clinton statement on getting out of Iran direct from her website. At least you will know the right questions to ask:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/iraq/

What is the best way to complain to (or praise) MSNBC re: Matthews and their general coverage? I got onto their website but didn't see an obvious email address.

Another Matthews point: last year he was a judge at a beauty contest. Even an incredulous Imus teased him!

I want to tell Keith O. that while the first 45-minutes of his show are just fine, I cannot begin to understand the fixation on the Paris/Britney world. I mean, I'd like some fun gossip, but about someone I might be interested in for some original reason predating the public acting-out. At this point, I just feel sorry for the young women who really need psychiatric help. Continuing to laugh at them is just cruel and maybe misogynistic (and BORING to me).

dnd -- Terrific article, except that it's an Economics paper, and they insist on using all those dreadful equations (:>)...His premise makes perfect sense when the voting is public (caucuses, legislative votes, etc.). But I'm not sure if it holds up under secret ballots.

In my field, we define a market segment as a "like" group of people who have similar attitudes and beliefs, and behave similarly in a particular situation. In the case of active and retired military, they would have a similar background, at least in terms of their shared military experience.

That would suggest that group of "like" voters would have more in common with someone running for President who had a similar background than someone who didn't (i.e., the questioning of Bill Clinton in the first campaign by Vetaran's groups because he hadn't served in the military).

This segment wouldn't necessarily have to be a visable group like a labor union. In this case, the "like" group would be people with similar attitudes and beliefs, regardless of their public group affiliations.

The two things I always tell potential candidates is that they need to answer two fundamental questions for voters:

1) What will voting for you do for me? (which can be tangible or intangible), and

2) How will the policies you propose positively affect my life?

You can have all the public affiliations you like and still not get elected (i.e., Dick Gephardt in the Iowa Caucuses), but if you can touch a psychological nerve, you get a much wider cross-section of the population (i.e., the Obama message of making people feel better about themselves and the country through change).

Did someone piss in your cornflakes this mornin, Bri? We're just saying a broadcaster (and when he's on Furball, he's not strictly a broadcaster..he's more of a commentator or columnist.. but when he's co-anchoring the election events, there's a certain amount of responsbility that goes along with it. I do love the way KO looks at him like he cant BELIEVE what Tweety's saying, but I'd still rather not have to endure him.

Afternoon, all!

Does anyone know of any one website that lists where all the candidates are campaigning (updated on a regular basis)? I should be able to do some Trailspotting in Vermont, Maine, and Massachusetts if I find out about events with enough lead time.

Bowmanc...was Oxford anywhere near Marcy, NY? I work with a woman from Marcy, and I think it's near Utica.

Join my Facebook group "Fans of Craig Crawford"!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6242424321

"I'm guessing that his wife, who is way more intelligent, accomplished and successful than he, would have left him."

What is it with people expecting accomplished women to dump their husbands when they behave badly. Did you suddenly turn Republican with rotating spouses?

As long as you are not being physically or mentally abused, there are scads of reasons for staying married that may have more weight than whatever negative exists. There is no way of knowing for sure how Tweety acts at home or for that matter if he brings it to work because of what happens at home.

Jamie,
"here is the Clinton statement on getting out of Iran direct from her website. At least you will know the right questions to ask:"

Clinton out of Iran? Freudian slip? ;-) Hill's policy on Iraq has been all over the map, though trending now towards getting out. I'll take her at her word, which I regard as a positive change in policy, rather than thinking she's pandering to what the polls think.

Spike,
Thanks for the interesting comments on the paper.

Off topic , but I thought this was funny. A friend of my sister took her 5 year-old daughter to the doctor for a check-up the other day. The doctor asked the 5 year-old a few of the standard questions: "Do you drink lots of milk? Do you eat all your vegetables?" and then she asked "Do you smoke?" "No." "Do you drink?" The 5 year-old answered the drinking question like this. "No. I don't drink , but my Daddy does. He drinks A LOT! He drinks all the time when he's home on the weekends. My Mom tells him not to because it's bad for him. But , he REALLY likes pop!

Corey,
LOL!

ps. for those outside of middle America, "pop" = "soda"

dnd -- Your paper?

Claire,

Not too close to Marcy maybe 30 - 35 miles. Used to go up that way to see a popular upstate NY band. Depending on her age she might have heard of them. Ask if she is familiar with Mossback Mule Band. They played all over central NYS in the 70's

Okay. I have a better idea where you are coming from. I saw that interview at the original broadcast and thought Matthews was egging it on beyond what was a reasonable estimate of the situation.

It may be that I'm willing to give more latitude to people and take them at their word until I can prove differently. I see all sorts of positives to both Edwards and Obama, I just don't think either would be as good a President, but neither is likely to be a bad one. Anyway the order of preference stands

Clinton
Edwards
Obama

Cute catch dnd. It probably was Freudian but only because I'm concerned about the boat incident and fear that Bush would turn it into a Gulf of Tonkin event.

Spike,
Nope, not my paper. But I thought it was interesting using a game theory approach to politics. My guess is that there are some high priced consultants to the campaigns who use game theory...

This from Think Progress:

In an upcoming profile of MSNBC host Keith Olbermann in Men’s Journal, “a senior executive at MSNBC” says that “Keith runs MSNBC.” “It’s been an amazing turnaround, because two years ago they were going to cancel him,” the executive said. “Because of his success, he’s in charge. Chris Matthews is infuriated by it.”
___________________

Unnamed senior executive....hmmm....

Jamie,
"Cute catch dnd. It probably was Freudian but only because I'm concerned about the boat incident and fear that Bush would turn it into a Gulf of Tonkin event."

Whoa, you're reading my mind!

Col. Jack Jacobs had an interesting take on this on Imus today. He said that there are renegade groups who belong to coalitions not in line with the party in power that are probably responsible for this. And that they're probably in prison today...

Totally OT...but this would really be a rude awakening!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080111/ap_on_re_eu/britain_married_twins

Jamie: I read the Clinton plans from your 3:42 link.
I can just see her caving to the generals , maybe calling a press conference and saying "General Petraeus has brought it to my attention that we need a new Spring Offensive to rout out the newly aggressive Moqtada al-Sadr's soldiers"...something like that.
She never addressed Congress with any words that signal withdrawal is really #1 with her...she never stood behind anything Feingold was saying before Feingold decided not to run.
Yes, a huge reason the violence has dropped off around Fallughia and Baghdad...all of al-Anbar Province, really,. is because of the truce Moqtada al-Sadr has struck up with the transitional government in Iraq...a very uneasy game to play ...and how long will al-Maliki last anyway? He's already had severe issues with Bush43.
Simply speaking, Hillary has an optimist's view of Iraq, blowing every little thing that is not a bloody disaster into a great, worthy achievement.
I think she is mush more in tune with McCain than Feingold.
To me, Feingold would have been a great president. No support. Kucinich would have been one for the books. Change? That man was ALL about change. Dismissed as a fool.
Richardson: the latst to be squeezed like an orange...no money , no powerful donaters wanted him. Forced out.
Edwards: Daily he promises to fight for the common man, and convincingly, too. He would shut out the lobbyists and govern with a fair hand. I love the guy; I love his wife even more. But he is the one with only "hope" going for him,.
Clinton is the establishment, as defined by me, a man from the 1960's, as the true status quo. I just do not believe she really will change the policies regarding Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan...Pakistan...
I can see her filling her Cabinet with old, worn-out people, too. I just don't see a sunny day.
And Obama? Emerging with fresh advice form warmongering Iraq war lovers, he'll delay and reject his promises of change. Being unsure of so many matters, he would also seek advice from old-line politicians and just continue on. The only real "change" would be a new face.
Kerry probably wants Obama in so he can advise, too. And that is a good thing.

perception versus reality

" Obama campaign got caught pushing a negative research memo aimed at the Clintons. It was headlined, “Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab)’s personal financial and political ties to India.”

Obama’s campaign has an opposition research department; that’s routine for campaigns. Obama is merely doing political business as usual. At the same time a central theme for Obama on the stump and in speeches is that his campaign is different and that it’s “time to turn the page.”

So how to reconcile hardball tactics with reality? Writes Lizza, “Part of the way the campaign deals with this bind is to separate the above-the-fray candidate from the dirty work of his operatives. Obama may be a once-in-a-generation politician, but his campaign is staffed with fairly conventional Democratic talent.”
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/08/sweet_column_obamas_hardball_c.html

lynn sweet chicago sun times

dnd: I caught that , too. Col. jack said the boat-boss was likely in Tehran, shackled.
Didja hear those "warning voices."? That surely sounded fake, perfect Midwest accent...was that really Iranian renegades with those voices right out of Peoria, Illinois?
Be leery, be very skeptical.

But Bush promises mideast peace in a year. Yes. Yessirreee.

Bowmanc... I'm going to guess that she doesn't know the band, since she was a toddler when they were playing central NYS. :-) Thanks!

Doubts grow over Iranian boat threats

• Pentagon climbdown over 'you will explode' video
• Mystery remains over where voice came from

Ed Pilkington New York
Friday January 11, 2008
The Guardian

Doubts intensified last night over the nature of an alleged aggressive confrontation by Iranian patrol boats and American warships in the Persian Gulf on Sunday, after Pentagon officials admitted that they could not confirm that a threat to blow up the US ships had been made directly by the Iranian crews involved in the incident.
Several news sources reported that senior navy officials had conceded that the voice threatening to blow up the US warships in a matter of minutes could have come from another ship in the region, or even from shore.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2239119,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

What? McCain, according to the last msnbc seg before Hardball, is at KELLY'S BARBEQUE in Summerville, SC.
That, my friends, is my South Carolina hangout when we visit sis-in-law! I'll be damned...McCain deserves another look...because that place has GREAT barbeque and sweetcorn and sweet tea...maybe old McCain ain't all that bad...nah!!

*L* @ dex...you old flip-flopper you... ;-))

Anyone who has an answer for this please chime in...

I've been wondering what an Obama administration might look like. I can picture those who might surround Hillary or Edwards, but who do you think Obama would choose...cabinet, other high-level positions? And who would be his closest advisors? If any of the Jacksons (Jesse's family) are among them, that's a major detriment to him for me. I understand why Jackson Jr. is associated with his campaign...after all, he does want to be elected...but there are limits....

H-woman: gotta go with the flow! Ain't many apples on the tree no more!

Obama has already said he'd seek advice from experienced old timers. Change? HA !!!
This is precisely why I call him a phony.

BTW..Bill Richardson just left the door open for a veep job if Hillary asked him...but just a crack.
I just don't think he knows if he'd take that spot or not...he truly loves NM and his horse.
And he sorta kinda hates her husband, that too....

Memo
From: Hill
To: Bill
Just STFU. Trying to weasel out of your "Obama's fairy tale" on Al Sharpton's radio show ain't helping. So if you don't want to sleep on the couch, just STFU.

Good Evening!

Here was Rudy's defense of his Florida Plan today-

Giuliani defends Florida strategy
Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani defended his plans to skip the other early contests and focus on Jan. 29 primary at a Coral Springs town hall on Friday. After the event, which kicked off a five-day, multi-city Florida campaign blitz, the former New York mayor explained the rationale for a campaign plan that banks on Florida and the rush of Feb. 5 primaries in exchange for poor showings in the other early states:

"It's a strategy of lulling your opponents into a false sense of confidence. We'll win Florida. Look, everyone has their own strategy. If you look at all the candidates, there's no one strategy that guarantees success. We think this is the best strategy for us given our assets, our pros and cons, our ability to reach people, where we're going to reach people the best. You've got to make choices like that. It's an unconventional strategy, but I've never follow conventional wisdom before and it's always worked. And we think that Florida is the perfect place for us to sort of play out our entire campaign. All the themes in our campaign fit Florida. It's a big state. It's a big test. It's a test. It's a microcosm of the country in many ways. So we think that the person who wins Florida on Jan. 29 with a big advantage going into the Feb. 5 primaries."

From one of the newspapers' blog.

Dex,
"And he sorta kinda hates her husband, that too...."

Ya think?!!!! LOL! I'm sure Richardson would love to have Bill looking over his shoulder all the time.

But you do bring up a serious issue: The debates should ask the candidates what style of BBQ they like. This would tell us a lot. Skinny Dennis can be excused when he says he likes bar-b-que'd tofu.

ps. For the newbies here, if you think our arguments about politics are vicious, you should here us fight about BBQ!

I might have to give Rudy another look, from this snipit in the Miami Herold's Political blog, he seems to be the only who will hopefully not try to legislate my personal life....

Giuliani flunks family values in voter guide
The Florida Family Policy Council, an Orlando-based group of religious conservatives, announced today that it is printing 2.5 million voter guides to distribute at roughly 5,000 churches across the state before the Jan. 29 presidential primaries. Activists are also circulating the guide via e-mail.

The group does not endorse candidates, calling the guide an "educational report," but makes clear through litmus tests on certain issues which candidate is on its side.

Among the Republicans, Rudy Giuliani predictably fared the worst, due to his support for abortion rights, stem cell research and an assault weapons ban, and his opposition to a federal ban on same-sex marriage. The only candidates that aced the voter's guide were were Mike Huckabee and Duncan Hunter.

Hurting their scores: Fred Thompson's opposition to a federal marriage amendment, and Mitt Romney's support for an assault weapons ban.

dnd....I guess you didn't hear the actual quote. You'd rather race bait.

Patsi,
"dnd....I guess you didn't hear the actual quote. You'd rather race bait."

Nuh-uh. I heard the quote over and over and over. I don't have a dog in this fight, so no reason to race bait. I just thought that Bill screwed the Hill campaign again by trying to say "what the meaning of 'is' is" He really needs to let his wife drive. It ain't about him.

He did not say the campaign or candidacy was "a fairy tale".

It still wasn't a particularly wise statement, but it is more in line with everything I've been nagging about today.

What is the context? What was actually said? Why do the commentators like Tweety twist it into something that never happened?

jamie, they have too much air time to fill and aren't interested in filling it with real issues. that would require reallwork on their part.

":I just thought that Bill screwed the Hill campaign again by trying to say "what the meaning of 'is' is""

No, he was trying to keep from being misrepresented. If candidates can't question each others' voting records in tough terms, then we might as well pack it in.

as i said earlier, i fear this is going to get out of hand and become a racist vs sexist fight. not good if it does. wish the media would knock it off.

nannymm
I think that ship has sailed.

"
“Some of the Obama people are clearly trying to use Hillary’s comments about Martin Luther King and distort them into something she did not say, which is outrageous,” said former Pennsylvania Rep. William Gray. “It’s a hot issue in South Carolina, and they’re spreading the word all over. I hope that the good senator will make sure that none of his people are doing that. We don’t need to have a debate about race or gender.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7845_Page2.html

I think this is a fight the Clinton's cannot win. They should stop trying to explain and walk away.

Jamie,
"He did not say the campaign or candidacy was "a fairy tale"."
Correct. He said his voting record on Iraq was a fairy tale. The "give me a break" speech.

Today he said: "First of all, it's not true. I have given speeches on Hillary's behalf in this campaign. I don't believe I've given a single one where I did not applaud Sen. Obama in his candidacy. He's not a fairy tale. He might win. I think he is a very impressive man, and he has run a great campaign. I was addressing a specific argument that had never been brought up in the debate.

Sentence three is an outright lie, as is the last sentence. Sentence four is an attempt to recast what he originally said.
I support neither Obama nor Hillary. My advice to Hillary's campaign is get Bill to STFU. The first rule of politics is if you're digging yourself into a hole, stop digging!

Bills message may play to the disciples, but she's already got their vote. If the perception to the great unwashed is that it's bullshit, EVEN IF IT'S NOT, in politics perception is reality. And nobody knows that better than the Clintons.

McCain takes the lead in FL (polling 1/9-1/10, MOE +/- 4%)

In polling conducted after New Hampshire, but before the Myrtle Beach GOP Debate, Florida stands: McCain in 1st at 27%, Giuliani at 19%, Huckabee at 17%, and Romney at 17%, all tied for 2nd place, with Fred Thompson and Ron Paul further back.

Now, McCain runs stronger than Giuliani in all 5 regions of Florida, including Southeast Florida, where Giuliani had led McCain by 51 points 6 weeks ago.

Among males, Giuliani's support is half of what it was 5 weeks ago. McCain among men jumped 20 points after New Hampshire.

Among Conservatives, Huckabee is tied with McCain for the lead, Giuliani and Romney tied for 3rd place. Among Moderates, McCain leads Giuliani 2:1 and leads Huckabee 5:1.

Among voters age 49 and younger, Huckabee, McCain and Giuliani are in an effective tie for the lead. Among voters age 50+, McCain leads Giuliani by 11."

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=06d7f53d-718a-4d38-bcca-b7a08b63bae5

Latest polling in SC & MI

McCain and Huckabee are within the MOE of each other in SC, and McCain, Huckabee, and Romney within the MOE of each other in Michigan.

Did anyone else catch the Obama segment where he vowed to be a fighter, and that he came out of Chicago politics. I am not sure where I saw it, but maybe it's up on the internets someplace. That statement tells me that he may not be so different after all, other than the packaging of his message. Hope & Change. New and Improved democrat.

different????? he's a pol just like the rest of them. even if he isn't quite as jaded yet, just give him a little more time.

"Bill was dripping with contempt. It just reinforced the sense that Hillary people have a sense of comptempt for Obama, that he is an upstart, somehow out of his place. Not a wise stance to take with the first serious black contender for the white house"

And Obama's "tea party" and "You're likeable.....enough..." comments were not dripping with sarcasm?

It's fine for him to sneer at another candidate, but you damn well better walk soft around him? That ain't gonna play.

If voters start to feel this is about "race" and Obama is "the black candidate" it's not good because that is exactly what he started out trying not to be. It may sound exciting to say, like Larry O'Donnell effectivily did, that you better get behind the first potential black candidate against all others or you are no liberal....but I am telling you it is lunacy as a campaign strategy.

Here's what really disturbs me about the current presidential race. It seems that the issues train has long ago left the station and everyone is standing around on the emotion platform. (Note, our pal Dex is on the issues train. Hell, he's the engineer.)

I'm just as guilty, if not more so, than most. And I don't like it. Not one damn bit.

"Trouble with you is the trouble with me,
Got two good eyes but we still don't see.
Come round the bend, you know its the end,
The fireman screams and the engine just gleams..."

-- "Casey Jones" by Hunter and Garcia

Change Happens!

Often missing from the Obama puffery is any acknowledgment that despite the rhetoric, Obama is all but a front man for Mayor Richard Daley's Chicago Democratic political machine. He has backed Daley for re-election, with City Hall awash in federal investigations, and he's got the mayor's media strategist David Axelrod massaging his message. Obama has supported other machine creatures. . . I don't know what Washington political writers call it. But back home, this is what we call transcending politics the Chicago Way.

This week, the Chicago Sun-Times published a story about Obama writing letters to city and state officials on behalf of Rezko, so Rezko could receive more than $14 million in taxpayer funds to develop senior citizen housing. This included $885,000 in development fees for Rezko and partner Allison Davis, Obama's former boss. The paper didn't include the fact that Davis is also a buddy of Daley's. The Sun-Times did note that Obama insisted to the Tribune last year that in all the years he has known Rezko, "I've never done any favors for him." No favors? When you transcend politics and walk on water, I guess it all depends on what your definition of favor is.

Rule # 1. Democrat.
Rule # 2. End this stupid soldier killing sinkhole.
Rule # 3. See Rule # 1.

annon,
Could you post a link to the Obama/Rezko story in the Sun-Times? I searched their web site and couldn't find it. Thanks.

Sturg,
Fixed your typo:
Rule # 2. End this stupid soldier killing sinkhole.
Rule # 3. See Rule # 2.

dnd.....well......yeah, but........aint it gonna take a democratic sweep?

I mean, is there a republican who will? Flush 'em out and let's have a look at 'em........

Obama on Rezko deal: It was a mistake

November 5, 2006
BY DAVE MCKINNEY AND CHRIS FUSCO Staff Reporters Contributing: Mark Brown
U.S. Sen. Barack Obama expressed regret late Friday for his 2005 land purchase from now-indicted political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko in a deal that enlarged the senator's yard.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-obama05.article

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2006/11/post_41.html

dnd

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.article

Sturg,
Ron Paul! Chuck Hagel! Um, that's about it. Oh, wait, Hagel's out. For now...

With Biden and Richardson out, I'm not sure which of the demmycrats really mean it or have a real plan 'cept for Skinny Dennis and Mad Mike Gravel.

Whichever democrat is elected will have the wind at his or her back.......a gale force wind I hope......

Senor Horsedooty has arrived into the new century. He is only one operating system way from the bleeding edge.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Obama still answers for old ties to Rezko

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0704230648apr24,1,671186.story

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.article

I went to that McCain thing the other night.....I find that seeing people in person sometimes makes me kind of like them a little more......but I just cannot imagine how I could stand there looking smug for 30 minutes while 2 different people and MY WIFE, fah chrissakes, told a room full of goobers what an absolutely splendid fellow I was and how I would be eminently suited for exaltation.....
It's beyond me......

But it didnt work.......

KGC & Jamie,
Thanks for the links. annon said: "This week, the Chicago Sun-Times published a story about Obama writing letters to city and state officials on behalf of Rezko," so I assumed it was in the Sun-Times from this week. I couldn't find anything in those links about Obama writing letters to city and state officials on behalf of Rezko.

Doots,
"Senor Horsedooty has arrived into the new century. He is only one operating system way from the bleeding edge."

Welcome to the new century. And stay away from the bleeding edge. You'll only get slashed...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200706140007

this has quotes etc and I think covers the issue of who wrote to whom when etc...

Let's assume that Obama is guilty of the accusations about his currying favor with Rezko. Further since this has been reported for the last two years, everyone in the MSM should have known about it.

My question is, if this is true, and politically damaging, why did the Hillary campaign (Mark Penn) drag out stories about his kindergarten essay to become president? Wouldn't Rezko-gate have been more effective?

the kindergarten story was a joke apparently only bombobmbomb iran McBush is allowed to tell jokes.

Clinton should have remembered Kerry's experience with the media and the botched joke,

The Rezko scandal is in the eye of the beholder

Evil is in the hold of the behinder.

This Obama/letter/Rezko flap may be what I've been on about in relation to Clinton.

Frequently politicians say things with a perfectly innocent meaning that then gets twisted all over the place (the fairy tale campaign mistatement just happened again on CNN).

Politicians often do small favors for constituents with no idea of kick back or benefit that then gets twisted at a later date. Sometimes it is even done by staff over a signing pen signature just because the pol said, "Letter for Lou, sure. Say something nice".

I'm quite willing to have most of these incidents be called petty with little evil intent or prejudice until some more concrete action appears or a chain of events shows it to be more substantial.

If we start getting into tit for tat charges, it will do nothing for the party or our candidates.

Divide and conquer.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/08/558943.aspx

dnd this is the updated reference apparently there is some action in the trial

sturge..ya still crack me up :)

i wasnt really paying much attention to headlines.. has richardson officially said sayanara?

Tylenol......thank ye kindly, pardner.....did I understand you to say youre moo-jician?

dont shoot me, sturge.. i'm only the piano player

"Dont shoot me, I'm only the piano pla.....
Never mind.......shoot me......I've got it coming....."

--Bongo Seville

hahaaa

Jamie,
"If we start getting into tit for tat charges, it will do nothing for the party or our candidates."

Your explanation seems to make sense. If this was a smoking gun, I'm sure the Clinton campaign would make hay of it.

ps. When you say "the party or our candidates" let me remind you that I support Goldwater/Miller

http://goldwatermiller08.com/

The "where's the party?" party.

pps. KGC "the kindergarten story was a joke apparently only bombobmbomb iran McBush is allowed to tell jokes." That was McCain, not Bush.

A song for Rudy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuc4HtT13c0

I know that dnd
McBush is a nickname for Mccain

I've been thinking about supporting a huckabee/stephen colbert ticket.. could be a great 4 years

Sturg: "Evil is in the hold of the behinder."

Ty: "sturge..ya still crack me up :)"

Ok, really, is this the forum for such juvenile potty humor?

I'd say a resounding YES!

it's my potty and i'll cry if i want to!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lssb6gkjQa

The Plunger maybe tanking but Fast Freddy has raised $200k since the Republican debate on line and is running the above ad.

oy oy oy

did you know the moveable toilet handle was invented by Thomas Crapper?

actually Im for mature potty humor........it's quite a bit more scatological........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lssb6gkjQa4

dnd

Re your support of the "Where's The Party Party" you should know there has been a minor scandal since it has been claimed that one of their theme songs is Looks three Dance ten from Chorus Line.

It seems the colloquial name for this song is "Tits and Ass".

Sturg,
"A song for Rudy:"

I'm really thinking Craig should hire you as a musical theme consultant.

And I'm waiting for the Sturg & Ty CD.

oh geeze..read the comments under the fred thompson youtube clip.. why dont reps have a sense of humour? or at least one that's identifiable as humour

Jamie,
I think Stephanie Miller has been an bad influence on you ;-)

have all the candidates picked their music yet? I noticed Edwards went with "our country".. McCain went back like 35 years to Rocky.. what else?

one of lenny bruce's most funny bits was "Tits and Ass" you can find it on The Berkeley Concert on Frank Zappa's record label ......

dnd

You might want to reverse that. I'm older than Stephanie

Spanky and Alfalfa kept missing meetings every time Darla walked by.

dnd said:
I'm really thinking Craig should hire you as a musical theme consultant.

Hey, this blog is slam full of musical theme consultants, all at Craig's beck and call.......

"the kindergarten story was a joke "

And furthermore it was in response to charges that Hillary is so calculating that she started running for president when she married Bill Clinton. That this was her whole life of unbridled ambition....

Patsi,
"And furthermore it was in response to charges that Hillary is so calculating that she started running for president when she married Bill Clinton"

Hum. Very presidential to respond: "I'm rubber, you're glue..."

". That this was her whole life of unbridled ambition...."

I really don't have a problem with this. Sure it may be aberrant behavior, but sooner or later all candidates succumb to this.

Personally I'm very disappointed that the Golden Globe Awards has been neutered due the writer's strike. I was looking forward to seeing the Good & Mad production of "Just One More Cow" with Sturg and Ty singing the soundtrack and Doots and pogo playing guitar.

I sympathize with the writers, but must we all suffer so terribly?

lol... damn selfish writers!

I would happily sing the soundtrack with Tyle but I slept in a barn last night and woke up a little horse.........

ok.. I'm going to watch Blood Ties on our Sci-Fi channel.. i think the vampire is hot.. ;) in the meantime, I'll leave you with a topic to discuss: the best lines from WKRP in Cincinnati

OMG..that was HORRIBLE sturge!! hahahahaaaaa

"would happily sing the soundtrack with Tyle but I slept in a barn last night and woke up a little horse........."

Now I remember. I saw you two on "Hee Haw."

Bobby: "Slower........"

Jim (softly) "What does yellow mean?"

oops....Bobby: "Go Slow"

Russian Defectee: "There are no pigs in Los Angeles"

Johnny: "Ya coulda fooled me"

It seems people can't handle the truth, right?

It was very clear to me that Bill Clinton was pointing out the exact fairy tale I have been beating the drum about for months.
Obama just really doesn't want to end the war in the same manner Kucinich and Gravel do, or he wouldn't have voted to fund it , on all those votes, a perfect record...full speed ahead, Mr. Christian!! I was stunned to see how some people twisted President Clinton's words around to make it seem as though he was minimizing Obama.
That was a clean hit...no penalty box time for Mr. Bill .
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Trouble with you is the trouble with me,
Got two good eyes but we still don't see.
Come round the bend, you know its the end,
The fireman screams and the engine just gleams..."

Drivin' that train
High on cocaine
Barack Obama
you better watch your speed.
________________________

major misconduct...player ejection...Dexter suspended 5 games.....

You mean "ignatowski" doesnt mean "Sunshine"?

right on, Dex.

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

WKRP Thanksgiving show.

"Are we lumberjacks?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ0GbL4247M

best parts: props to marty and ha ha to senator larry:

http://www.jibjab.com/sendables/274/in_2007

As I said, Matthews, like so many men, doesn't even realize his misogyny and would deny it when pointed out. He talks so fast & so much there's no time for him to filter what he's thinking. It just comes out his mouth.

I saw this subtle indoctrination when my sons were in Cub Scouts. At the big Pack meetings they'd sing little ditties that'd mention, for example, not wanting to be near the fat girl, or some such. I was appalled and could hardly believe it. I complained, but to what end? It's soooo subtle.

Grrr.....

tt

Tylenol

The "Hot" Vampire is the main character of the series "Moonlight" and mick is back in a new episode tonight.

Women everywhere are hoping the sun goes down as scheduled.

It's fine that Senators Clinton and Obama (or their agents) are demanding that Senator Edwards drop out of the race. Here's why:

1. It proves that they are against democracy, where all people, not just less than 1%, are entitled to vote for or against any candidate. It exposes them as mean-spirited and unAmerican, because they want to stifle the people in 48 states.

2. It proves that they are greedy, controlling in a Busch/Sciavo kind of way and terribly scared. (And the natural reaction to this is, "Who is this person who scares and intimidates them? They must think he can outperform them, and that's why they want him out." So, in a way, they're causing the electorate to take a second look at Senator Edwards.)

3. Their irrational, childish fits keep Senator Edwards in the news, something the shameful MSM refuses to do.

4. As people do check into Senator Edwards' position statements, Web site, etc., they'll realize that many ideas the Hillary- and Barack-come latelys now espouse were originated by -- yes -- Senator Edwards. They'll realize that Senator Edwards is the one with the maturity, the wisdom and the understanding to lead, not the other two. For instance, they'll see that Senator Edwards was talking about the economy from the outset, and Senator Clinton only got on that bandwagon yesterday, finally realizing that maybe there are some people who aren't quite as well-to-do as the members of the Washington establishment.

So, keep on braying, Barack and Hillary. You're only boosting Senator Edwards' chances each time you screech out in fear.

Re: Suzanne Somers on Larry King

Did you catch the part were she went off on a rant about water fluoridation and Larry King reminded her that conspiracy nuts once called fluoridation a Communist plot.

Laughed so hard my side hurts!

I've been going on about this all day simply because no one and I mean no one on any of the news shows or in commentary has mentioned this. Whether you are for or against Hillary, it is important to listen to the words. The words are about our country, the problems, and the importance of this election.

At some point your candidate may say some important words and the MSM will drown it out because of a hiccough, smirk, wince or sneeze. If we don't fight back against this trend, we might as well not bother to vote at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-VFSDng1VE

P.S.

The words she used probably apply equally to Edwards and Obama and many of the other candidates.

Fav line from WKRP:

"WKRP.....with more music and Les Nessman."

corey....ha ha ...........good one......

Echos of the old tombstone

Here lies Lester Moore
Shot to death by a 44
No Les
No More

expression is the need of my soul
i was once a vers libre bard
but i died and my soul went into the body of a cockroach
it has given me a new outlook upon life

--archy

jamie:
I viewed it...the true ugliness...hatefulness... of this country is perfectly illustrated by the comments on that particular video.
Damn, one person invoked the name of Oswald...

Dex......as patsy or assassin?

wel, sturgee, it's right there in "comments", the video link jamie posted, but I am dropping that one....

Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Mehitabel

Good night all. Have a great evening.

"Turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement. Oh the humanity." Same thanksgiving show.

Jamie's gone to bed but .. tell her tomorrow that it isnt the same hot vampire.. we canadians have different hot vampires.. ;)

Workin' the late shift tonight. So here goes: here's what bugs me about Huckabee: nobody's ever asked him who his influences were for the bass guitar. Every person that's ever picked up an instrument has had some musician that has made them say "that's what I want to do." So why no questions to Huck? Jaco Pastorius? Stanley Clarke, Phil Lesh? Ray Brown?

I'm thinking that with the recent passing of Oscar Peterson he could have at least mentioned Ray Brown. WTF?

awww..Oscar was great.. always the highlight at our jazz fest..

I'd bet you a dollar to a doughnut that hucks thinks of himself as paul mccartney

Ty,
Peterson wasn't just a genius. He was a giant. And a ground breaker. When Herb Ellis replaced Barney Kessel in the late 50's, people didn't know what to make of an integrated jazz trio. Did I mention that Herb Ellis is one of my guitar hero's? Right up there with Johnny Smith.
But I digress. I really want Huck to tell us who influenced him musically!

funny thing......2 beatles had "causes", whereas 2 just wanted to play music any how any where....just wanted to play........2 are dead........cf norman cousins............

someone say Jimmy Smith???

ya know, I like Huckabee well enough.. just not sure i think he should be president.. well, maybe president of the Kiwanis Club or something..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYosYlqiBOk

ringo was the coolest beatle..he just wanted to drum and then go home..

like Charlie Watts with the Stones.. ya never hear any weird stories about him.. he just went home

Sturg,
Yes, Huckabee is the the cute Beatle.

No, not Jimmy Smith, Johnny Smith. One of the greatest jazz guitarists ever. I remember my folks taking me to see him at a dive called "Shaners" in Denver is the early 60's. I couldn't believe that kind of music was possible to come from a human being.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Smith

Ty,
when I was a kid I played drums. I was never that impressed with Ringo. I was into Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich. Then maybe Keith Moon and Ginger Baker. But as I got older, I realized what a great drummer Ringo was. Perhaps not technically. Not flashy. But he really was a backbone for the type of music the Beatles were. And that's all that counts.

I think they were all four born of virgin mothers.......in mangers in separate parts of a backwater town......just like i think that nice jewish kid who worked a job till he growed up a bit and then decided to chuck it all and wander around the country speaking to great crowds pointing out the hypocrises and shortcomings of his fellow men, and for that was hounded to his death by the authorities......you know.......Lenny Bruce.....well.....he started out just wanting to be funny, but then it all got serious and he kissed the train.......

dnd.....we were garage band kids......we were playing from 56.......but when los beatles came out.....we could plainly see that ringo starr was a cut above.......

Ringo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sT_SEcZ87M

god ya gotta love ringo.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9i5bKdQQoQ&feature=related

Ringo's theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxxp5e_CReo

"Put away the cudgel, Goliath, the mark's done gone, and he took his whole damn family with him....."

---Bongo Seville

"as God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly"

wkrp in Cinny thanksgiving show

yo soy Horsedooty!

>>wkrp in Cinny thanksgiving show

Here's the entire episode...

http://video.aol.com/partner/hulu/wkrp-in-cincinnati-turkeys-away/aL_bQiKUIVgpgXRNVi6cO_joUSR45ljR

tylenol,

they played "I'm A Believer" by the Monkees at Clinton's rally in Nashua last Sunday.

"But I digress. I really want Huck to tell us who influenced him musically!"

Given Huckabee's age....maybe Joe Osborn.....

morning all! great convo on here last night..makes for nice reading this morning..

1) the Beatles - my 19 year old daughter talks about the Beatles in the present tense! that's how much of an influence they still have. When she was learning guitar (and she's quite good now) the first songs she learned were from a Beatles anthology book I've been keeping for ages.

2) ringo - I agree.. at first glance Ringo doesnt seem all that special.. but the reality is they went nowhere until He was giving them the backbeat.. nothing wrong with a steady drummer... and he's so funny.. kept everything light.. when i was young all the girls swooned over Paul, not me.. RIngo was it!

3) I hope the producers of WKRP and the music companies that own all those great songs used in the show make some kinda deal, because those edited versions just stink! For instance, the Russian Defector episode.. makes absolutely NO sense without Tiny Dancer playing at the end. Every time I hear that song, I hear that actor, with his Russian accent, saying "chhhold me closer, tiny dancer".

OK guys, who was hotter: Jennifer or Bailey?

Andrew Romano Stumper Interview: Mike Huckabee on Music

How'd you get started with music?

I started when I was 11 and I wanted a guitar really badly. I wanted my parents to get me one for Christmas and they really couldn't afford it. I'd kind of given up. Christmas 1966, I was 11 years old. Christmas morning, I open my Christmas present-and there it was! An electric guitar from the J.C. Penney catalog. Included an amp, a strap, everything. It was $99 for the whole thing. Took them a year to pay off. I played 'til my fingers bled.

Why did you want the guitar in the first place?

The Beatles were coming on! The Beatles came out, like, in late '63 and early '64, and from that time on I wanted to play. I guess every kid of my generation did. About age 12, it occurred to me, a lot of people were playing guitar but very few people were playing bass. So it occurred to me: if I took up bass, I'd probably always be able to be in a band. So that's what I did. Switched over to bass and I've been playing ever since.

wkrp........no contest.......Bailey.

Here's a nice Diner site:

http://www.dinercity.com/

I'm a star in my own city! :)

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/letters/story.html?id=cf3f05e9-08c2-42c6-8121-e70e44736103

Hey Fish,

Do you ever go by blog? It wasn't on the technical stuff that fascinates you about the music, but I recently wrote two articles that had Beatle info. You might want to stop by and at least wave hi.

http://jdurward.blogspot.com

Now what is this about another "hot" vampire making pulses race faster in Canada. I get CBC. If there is a good looking neck biter there, I want to see him. :-)

what the hell y'all talkin' about.....
turkeys can fly...... if they're wild......

so I never watched WKRP.... so what....

I played drums as a kid too.....
my parents bought the set for my brother and he lasted a week..... I played the set for about 3 yrs.....

this is better than talkin' polo-tics.....

Sorry to go back to politics, but MSNBC is still going on about "closet racism" in the Clinton campaign.

It is approaching "Stir up problems, we will get great ratings when the riot breaks out"

JIM PINKERTON quit his Newsday column and resigned his Fox News contract to join Gov. HUCKABEE as a senior adviser to help fill out his policy proposals. Pinkerton tells Playbook he was lured by Ed Rollins, his boss in the Reagan White House political-affairs office, who said it was a chance to "restore the Reagan coalition," Pinkerton recalled.

"I thought, 'I'm not going to turn THAT down,' " Pinkerton recalled.

Mr. Willie Horton himself
nice people to surround yourelf for the Christian no negative advertising candidate.

gee.... sorry I came to the party so late.....
it was fun while it lasted......

enjoy your day!

oh yeah........ GO PATRIOTS!

Not to mention Ed Rollins. That man has degenerated into the hard right crypt keeper receiving a salary for the use of his name.

One of the pundits on MSNBC just made a comment that, before Richardson dropped out of the race, we had we had a black man, a white man, an hispanic man and a woman, as top-tier candidates.

So now that BR is gone, I guess that leaves us with the "Democratic Mod Squad"...one white, one black and one blonde!!!...LOL!!

LiL

Now that is FUNNY

Hit return too fast. Meant to add

CRAIG - Steal this joke!!!

http://www.chezgrae.com/modsquad/

Jamie...now that's hilarious!!!!

I am dancin' around the dining room!!

Is is possible to super-impose the faces of Barack, Hillary and John on the silhouettes?

Matthews also appeared to argue that many viewers would be basing their decisions about the candidates on how, in Clinton's case, the candidate was dressed, or, in the case of the male candidates, how their spouses were dressed: "Some people are, by the way, just watching tonight. They stopped listening a half-hour in, and they noticed how pretty she is -- Michelle -- and they said, 'I like the fact he's [Barack Obama] got this pretty wife. He's happily married. I like that.' They like the fact that Hillary was demure, lady-like in her appearance." When NBC chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell interjected, noting "You're talking about two ... lawyers," who went to "Harvard and Yale," Matthews defended himself, saying, "Cosmetics are a part of this game."

There are many different forms of misogyny. In its most overt expression, a misogynist will openly hate all women simply because they are female. Other forms of misogyny may be less overt. Some misogynists may simply be prejudiced against all women, or may hate women who do not fall into one or more acceptable categories. Entire cultures may be said to be misogynist if they treat women in ways that can be seen as harmful

for Jamie http://www.citytv.com/bloodties/

hottest vampire on tv..

I agree, KGC... and as I said yesterday, I wouldnt mind so much if it were just Hairball, but now that he's been elevated to election anchorage, I find it very problematic. It bothers me that MoJo has the covted morning spot too... I didnt mind so much when it was the Joe Show in the evening, cos everyone knew where he was coming from. Morning hosts should be (or at least appear to be) neutral... and that Mr & Mrs Joe is just so horrible.. when she first started on there I thought she was good.. now all she does in fawn over Joe.

msgobama has gone off the rails as far as I can tell.

the NBC debate will be an all out attack on Clinton and a big blow job for obama and they probably won't let
Edwards speak at all.

LOL..bj

when's the NBC debate?

This just hit the paper today in Nashua.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080112/NEWS01/909595977/-1/news

NASHUA – A top Clinton adviser faces charges of aggravated driving while intoxicated after city police caught him speeding through Greeley Park a day before the state primary.

Sidney Blumenthal, longtime friend and senior adviser to presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. was allegedly driving a rented car north on Concord Street at a speed of 70 mph when Nashua Police Sgt. Mike Masella decided to stop it at about 12:30 a.m. Monday.

He should have stayed on the bus.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=4271e9eb-8f2e-4621-9a9d-e69c0d74e76b&k=13081

for dnd

The debate is somewhere in Nevada but where??
must be a secret location :)

That Matthews comment belongs on the Sweet Jesus Site.

I already commented on no nothing Joe.

Both of them will blame the adviser's arrest on the fact that the woman drove him to drink!

University of Nevada, Las Vegas

that's this week?

My Boo boo

Cashman Center

http://www.nvdemscaucus.com/index.php?option=com_jcalpro&Itemid=26&extmode=view&extid=331

Tuesday ,,,
and NBC cut Dennis Kucinich out..who do they think they are Fox?

Sidney Blumenthal: Couldn't happen to a better person. He's such a slimebag.

hahaha..i just love that sweet jesus blog.. :)

Tylenol,

You'll never sell Harbor and myself on the baby vampire. Now O'Laughlin as Mick ... yum yum yum

http://alpha.cbs.com/primetime/moonlight/

A person being married to a woman doesn't make him necessarily not hate women in general. That's so elementary. I forgot whom I was responding to.

hey.jamie...so i'm cradle snatching.. i'm over 50.. i'm entitled..

NEW THREAD

dnd, President Clinton has been the most "pro-African American" in the modern age. He didn't just talk the talk, he walked the walk. I don't think he is weaseling himself out of anything.

Here's what one prominent African-American woman had to say:

"Donna Brazile, a leading Democrat and African-American who had earlier criticized the former president, on Friday appeared willing to accept his explanation. “Bill Clinton is a soldier in the fields for people of color,” she said on CNN. “At this point, we are willing to let this lie.”

Hey I'm sorry but what does NEW THREAD mean?

Thomas, due to popular demand I usually put a "NEW THREAD" in comments when i've added a new post to the site.

Thomas

It means Craig has written a new piece and you have to reload the main page again for later comments. This one is at an end.