Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

WOO! WOO!

well, Craig....
you know what "they" say....

never trust a politician....... but trust a reporter even less.....

i really dont understand the rudy campaign tho.. ya can't ignore early primaries completely..

Doesn't it actually mean never offer your balls to the dog that bites you?

Euro Tom, even those of us with left-leaning tendencies who hail from Massachusetts never really have thought of Kennedy men as being virtuous. Their original wealth came from illegal activity (rum-running during Prohibition), and family values haven't always been their strong suit. What tickles me pink about Teddy's endorsement isn't the fact THAT he gave it; it is the IN YOUR FACE, CLINTONS way with which he delivered it. Priceless. I could watch Teddy screaming "HE'LL BE READY FROM DAY ONE" into the camera over and over and over again.

tylenol....
Rudy did not ignore NH..... that is a "fairy tale" told by the media.....

the only other candidate who was in NH for more days than Rudy was Romney....
who lives in the neighboring state and owns a vacation home on Lake Winnipesaukee....

I remember BowmanC reporting on going to a Giuliani campaign event and stating that it was poorly attended.....
apparently...... the Republicans from this state just weren't impressed with him...

Craig, I love the observation you made on Morning Joe that the problem with Rudy's campaign is that Rudy campaigned. :-)

The poor plunger
well he'll always have Tweety

Ty- one of the media falsehoods is that Rudy did not work the early primary states- actually he was in NH more than 100 times!!- but just did not catch on. He was a candidate without a party in a way, as the repubs could not buy into his positions on abortion and gays, - then all the scandals caused others to still pull away.

After gaining absolutely no traction he folded up here for the most part- Romney tried to buy support here but the state went to McC.

You know, that baseball thing struck me as weird. I know Rudi has probably thrown some baseballs out as first pitches, but does he have any other connection to Beisball other than having been mayor in a city with 2 teams? I just found it to be a strange gesture.

"Doesn't it actually mean never offer your balls to the dog that bites you?"

ROFL!!! Excellent.

Pogo, it's a cheap-enough souvenir when you're running out of campaign cash.

Pissy is as pissy does Euro...

BTW, am I the only person here that thinks Joe and Mika have something going on the side?

I wouldn't be shocked to hear that news next holiday season...

BTW,

Craig, loved you analysis about the difference between the Kennedy's/ Idealists and the Clinton/Pragmatists...

That was the most astute bit of analysis this campaign season. Second Best was your bit about Rudy campaigning...

Clare,

I agree with your Kennedy sentiment completely, even though I would vote for Bill Clinton in any election he runs for, I am a huge fan of the F you Ted dropped on them.

oops Patsi, now the Jews are going to be pissed.

Hey I have a question... it's 10:30 pm here, but when do the Florida primary polls close and does anyone have any ideas on what exit polling is saying?

Part of Rudi's problem is that by having such a limited vocabulary - dominated by the non-word 9/11 - hespeaks a language that very few seem to understand, and continually insists that his is the only language anyone should speak. He may end up in a great position to say "I told you so" if America is attacked again, but no one with half a brain will have buyer's remorse even then. After all, within a couple of weeks, his face was no longer in the news every night because he had ball games to go to. Oh, maybe that's why he chose baseballs - he spent more time at the old ball game after 9/11 than at ground zero. Maybethat wasn't such a good choice of a gift after all.

"She was a woman of such high class and morals. I think she would have enthusiastically supported Hillary's campaign."

Given that she fled the country to get away from politics and its repercussions, my guess is that at the most she would have imitated the other class act of her generation in the family, Eunice Shriver, and stayed neutral at this time.

Craig,

Nice light-hearted topic this afternoon.

Even though the members of the press corp thought the gift was a sign Rudy was near the end of the trail, the ingrates could have kept that thought to themselves.

Kind of reminds me of my ex-mother-in-law. She's a wonderful lady, but I'm sure she's never had an "unspoken thought."

Tom, they close at midnight in your neck of the woods. I haven't seen anything about exit polls - maybe others have.

Patsi,
You've got to be mighty proud of your son Adam standing on principle. Something we don't see all that much in politics these days.

You think Jamie? She was close with Hillary as I recall. And she could easily empathize with the strains of being a First Lady. I don't say she would actively campaign, but I just thought she might give an endorsement. However, I see your point as well !!!

My god, I am an hour late for sleep, I am going to be a wreck tomorrow.

EdVB,

Members of the press corps keeping a thought to themselves? Thanks for the chuckle...

Patsi add "moron" to the descriptor of "ass"

tee hee... :)

xoxoxoxo I have to stop, I can't stop laughing.

Well, there were voting problems in Florida- imagine that. And just where are Kitty and the Twins when the shit hits the fan?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-polls012908,0,4785381.story

Excuse me Bear, but as a Gay man, I think I can also speak on the issue. and the humor was not "anti-semitic"... You are way off. And my god, people sure love being "offended"... it's the hallmark of American society it seems.

"you've OFFENDED meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..."

Can't we all just get along? :,-<

Euro...

While I won't identify myself as snarky, I was making a sarcastic comment. As someone who still giggles at mommy mommy or Helen Keller jokes, I could tell you were all just kidding.

My comment was more towards the Bill Donahue, ethnic mafia types who would certainly misconstrue the comment...

On a different note, anyone know how quickly brush fires move on average?

Apparently I live within 6 miles of a brush fire...wind gusts are up to 40 MPH and I wonder if I have the time to run home...

Claire,

You're right of course. They write without thinking, so why hold in any thoughts that they've actually formulated on their own.

However, the "funny" line was supposed to be the one about my mother-in-law.

I'm offended by all these people being offended. Just kidding - I don't stand in the shoes of Jews, women or gays,so who am I to even suggest what does or doesn't, should or shouldn't offend any of you who do?

Well, all, gotta run - kid has basketball game and a science project to work on. Manana

I liked the mother-in-law line, too, Ed. :-)

they move QUICKLY bear... be very careful

Bear,

Don't wonder just rush home. I expect that given the right circumstances, the fire could move faster than the wind gusts.

Bear

Depends on the fuel.
a prairie fire through tall grass almost as fast as the wind blowing it.
Short grass or oak leaf forrest, not as fast.

Jack

CLAIRE:
If you get a satellite dish and get Imus, you'll notice a remarkable difference.
Imus is on WABC, the "Limbaugh-Hannity station"
in New York, and in keeping with that theme, Imus has shifted to the right quite a bit...he's always having Michael Graham, Joe LIEberman, Mary Matalin, and others on MUCH more than the Paul Begalas and Tom Oliphants of the sphere.
You may have missed my post from yesterday...Charles comes on at 6:00 AM, does 2 minutes of news, then they cut away from New York and go to a 4-commercial set, then cut to an 8 to 12 minute farm segment, then return to Imus, who tells us who the lineup is, then back to another commercial set, then finally a few words from Imus and a guest, then to the top of the hour with another 4-comm-set, then Charles and the news, and the cycle repeats.
It's a lot different than it used to be...every 15 minutes Patrick, the head of RFD comes on the screen urging us to call our cable companies and demand RFD-TV. It's wearing thin...but INFINITELY better than Scarbucket and Mika.

Bear....
take care of yourself......

yeah.... it seems like there's a whole lot of offending going on around here lately....

as a member of the adult wing of the independent party.... I say..... SO WHAT!

EuroTom..... you are a breath of fresh air in here......

Bear,

How much time you have depends on which way the wind is blowing. If you are in the path, be very careful and obey the orders of the fire fighters.

Does Tweety ever think before his mouth opens.

"If you are not supposed to campaign in a state, why would you schedule a victory party in the state?"

DUH! The election part is over.

The man majors in stupid.

Dexter, thanks for the repost re RFD-TV. Doesn't sound too appealing what with the farm segments and the call your cable company-s. Why ask people who are already watching a station to call their cable companies to ask for the station? (I know, satellite vs. cable and all that, but people who CAN'T see the station can't see they plea now, can they?)

Unfortunately, a satellite dish isn't in my future. I'm not the decision-maker/bill-payer so I'm stuck with cable for the time being. I just need to haul my ass out of bed earlier and turn on the freakin' radio or listen online.

Sorry to hear that Tom Oliphant is on less...you don't have to agree with anything he says to know that he's one of the smartest people in the biz. Just listening to him raises one's IQ by 10 or 20 points. Losing a regular Tom Oliphant segment was one of the bummers of losing the Al Franken Show. Tom was one of Imus' BIGGEST defenders in the days following the Rutgers flap; he should be on every other day just for that.

If thanking her voters is so important to Hillary it kind of makes you wonder why she didn't stick around SC long enough to thank her supporters in that state.

Just following the Obama rule book when you are losing leave,,,,he left Nevada before the caucuses ended.

KGC..you're in california?

He did not win Nevada and in the end the delegate count was split evenly not in Obama's favor as they lied that night.

Tylenol
Yes Western Sonoma Couinty

you get the big debates this week.. going to be scorchers!

Margaret Truman Daniel has passed away

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iKWW1kdb33sUo9eeSQETNZmKL6ZQ

And yet he won Nevada, got more delegates right?

uh no, Clinton won the majority of the delegates to the County Convention. No national convention delegates were awarded

Corey...You're such a kind person...thinking of Teddy and his borthers, not to mention his disabled sister, the brother who was killed before he could make the family's first run at the presidency, and all the other disasters that have been the thread that runs through the Kennedy lives...nice of you to consider those things....

RR said... "as a member of the adult wing of the independent party.... I say..... SO WHAT!"

Amen, sister! I've read every post on this list since I 'discovered' it last April. Not posting as much lately because it seems pointless to have the same arguments day after endless day....

Senator Clinton won Nevada,
How Bushian of you to claim otherwise.
If you count super delegates --Senator Clinton is a head.

thanks jamie.. her father said my favourite political quote: "if you want to live like a Republican, you gotta vote Democrat"

Claire...my prediction was that Tom Oliphant would be guest #2, right behind Pat Buchanan, but it was 3 weeks before he came on and not since.
Somebody stuck a very large bug in Bernard McGuirk's ear...MORE REPUGGS and assholes like light-bulb-head Jay Severensin.

I expect even more right wingers...also, remember how Limbaugh was made fun of when he was caught with 500 or 5,000 Viagara tabs in The Dominican or Haiti?
Now ALL Imus has to say about Limbaugh is "the greatest mic-man in the business..." I SWEAR to God, it's true.

Why doesn't anybody talk about Edwards here? Hillary this....Hillary that....

tylenol....
are you referring to the upcoming CNN debates?

I have a dilemma on Thursday night..... I'd kinda like to see the Dem debate on that night.... but I really want to watch the new episode of Lost....

I know, I know...... if only I had tivo..... but I don't....

I still believe that part of the reason it is unlikely that Edwards will win is that the media - and their corporate ownership - have made damn sure that his message has been largely kept from the airwaves and, thus, the voting public. But the major reason is that he stands in the shadow of the first viable black candidate and the first viable female candidate. this is simply an amazingly historic presidential race.

Disappointing, Dexter. Very disappointing. At least in the old days, Imus was an equal opportunity offender. Looks like all I really need to do is listen to any clips of Craig that Mad Mustard is able to post.

Catch you later folks, as the returns come in! Whoop!

So...given all the press that Hillary and Obama have been given , was this just a bad time for Edwards to run for President?

Corey,

MSNBC made sure that Edwards was minimized and now they are trying to play kingmaker with the totally slanted coverage of Clinton including that almost innauguration of Obama yesterday that was only missing the bible and poet to be official.

Edwards could still end up in a very powerful position, because we haven't even had Super Tuesday yet. He is certain to pick up even more delegates and those delegates are going to be fantastic bargaining chips.

So , we shouldn't give up on him yet?

Hillary Could Steal the Nomination Through Michigan and Florida

If both Hillary and Obama are short of the majority necessary, there will be 156 delegates from Michigan and 210 delegates from Florida, most of which will be for Hillary, sitting on the sidelines. The Clintons will fight tooth and nail to get those into the count.

Under that scenario, the Obama camp and their supporters will be able to legitimately charge that yes, they did have the nomination stolen from them. The DNC ruled that those states forfeited their delegates by holding their primary before February 5. Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan. He followed the rules; what he didn't realize was that the Clintons would get the rules changed.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjJkNTM5MDg5MTA2NmFhNDM5MDJiYjQwNzE4YWIzOTY=

Corey, never give up. There are rumors that if Obama gets the nomination, he may choose Edwards as his Attorney General. And, by the way, Corey, YOU are a breath of fresh air. I hate the sniping on this blog, and you have a way of neutralizing it. Good for you.

Way off Topic but...

just got off the phone with a guy that is claiming to be the head of the IRS. He wanted to send me a check for $2500 that needed to be sent to my checking account. So, which bank do you want it sent to? When I said I don't have a checking account he said ok let me have your Social Security Number so I can identify you. Again I refused and then he sorta started to get hostile and demanded that I tell him my SSN. Finally I said either mail it to the house or forget about it and I hung up. Did I mention that his accent sounded like his last job was a telephone tech line working in for Dell from India? Caller ID said the number was a 701 area code and that is in North Dakota. I would think that the head of the IRS would be located in Washington DC and would not have an Indian accent. Be careful out there.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Horsedooty: you should have asked for his SSN so you could identify him

for those that just gotta have it , early polling info

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/

Jack

Reminder from several threads ago

Florida Secretary of State Elections Reporting Site

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

Dooty....
I've had calls like that...... I've always just hung up....

Corey..... let me echo Colleen..... you are indeed a breath of fresh air and a sweetie too.....

no don't count Edwards out..... just do what CBob used to say..... fasten your chinstrap and enjoy the ride......

Thanks Renee and Colleen. BTW , I saw a video of Tom Brady's press conference and I thought I heard your voice , Renee. Some woman yelled out "WILL YOU MARRY ME?!" LOL!

Jamie ,

are you sure that is a reliable site?

Looks a bit iffy to me.
Think I'll just stick with my exit polls.

Jack

Its the Florida Secretary of State Elections page.

Can't get too much more official than that. Craig wasn't sure if the reporting would be simultaneous to what you see on TV, but that is where the numbers come from.

Hey Corey,

Let me third that. You are one of the best people here and I look forward to your humor.

Look for Edwards to be doing something important for us in the future. He has turned into quite a statesman. I would not be suprised if he fought for us all the way to the Convention and beyond. His candidacy will lead him somewhere important.

I'm positive Maddow and Buchanon a joining forces as a team this next season. WHy oh why in the world would the two be shown together and Rachel has a a makeover. Its very attractive and striking.

Hope they take Tucker's place..... ;0)

political humor

Romney spoof

enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCp4YduT9v4

Jack

Jamie said

"Its the Florida Secretary of State Elections page"

As I thought , highly unreliable.

Jack

since this thread is about Ghooliana, here's my favorite campaign pic of him.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/Giuliani-In-Drag.htm

oops, I spelled his name wrong GHOOLIANI (ends in i not a)

You mean Julie Annie?

Mike Wallace had a triple bypass today. Hope he gets well soon. Love that guy.

I want a ghoul, just like the ghoul that murdered dear old dad.....o/'

---Peter Lorre

corey.....i copied your music note....lol

For those of you jonesing for numbers
unscientific newspaperexit polls

http://naplesnews.com/news/2008/jan/29/exit-polls-find-out-whos-leading-share-you-opinion/

Jack

What's Kerry got that Michael Dukakis aint got?

sturg, I love your mind

Colleen......thank god.....I thought I'd lost it.......

Sturg,
You are one sick puppy. ;-)

Sturg,
"What's Kerry got that Michael Dukakis aint got?"

A tour of duty. And some misplaced medals...

Uh oh , Sturg! LOL!

Poor Rudy, never caught fire. I think he appeared to be humorless and his voice, lisp or whatever it is, just turned people off. He had this great reputation from 9/11 that people were familiar with from a distance, when the camea zoomed in on him and all his "warts" became apparent, he didn't seem presidental. Time to go back to consulting Rudy, Abu Dabi probably has work for you.

I always figured this president thing was a lark with the Rudy.......didnt cost him anything......great for upping speaking fees.....he doesnt give a damn about being president.......

John Conyers on the SOTU

Tonight, President Bush addressed this Congress in his State of the Union for the last time in his presidency. Unfortunately, what we heard was more of the same. While Americans wait with bated breath for relief from an impending recession; relief from the subprime mortgage crisis; relief from skyrocketing healthcare costs; and light at the end of the tunnel in the Iraq War, this President addressed us with the rhetoric of a failed legacy. The past seven years have set this country back by decades. The only hope I found in tonight’s address was in the fact that it was this President’s last and we can now look to the future and elect a president who will work with this Congress to lead America in a new direction.

Craig close your eyes-

Per my husband

As of around 5:30- Romney was leading the trackin polls and McCain was leading in the exit polls.

Have a feeling it might be long night.... on an aside, on the main road by my neighborhood there is an electronic billboard that is going to run the election results.

Do have a question- if Hillary has a ground organization down here in Florida how is that not canpaigning?

I'd love Caroline even if she were endorsing a jelly doughnut........

Having trouble understanding the FISA legislation.
Here is Russ Finegold with a simple explaination

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDlYcn5HEs8

It's important call you senator express your opinion.

Jack

oops, campaigning- yes I've opened a bottle of a lovely Cabernet from the Sterling Vinard in Napa.

Be prepared tto have to interpret my typing tonight

o/' A divine melody...glass of wine , burgundy...o/'

If you use the link posted earlier for the FL DOS you can see what's going on and check by counties to see what is reporting. Don't forget that the panhandle does not close until 8pm EST.

First numbers: Hillary 55% Obama 22%

Edwards 18%

BTW the DOS has the results ahead of MSNBC. On the subject of early voting and absentee ballots each county is different and some report them first and some report them last.

JennBe.... yes.... another wine drinker.... KGC and I love old vine zinfandels....
and according to Craig.... both Obama and Clinton have ground organizations in Florida.... and that's cuz they're both smart....

Jack..... thanks for your videos..... ooooohhh..... Bandito Pablito is soooo cute...

Corey.... I used to wear a shirt I bought while vacationing in Fort Myers, FLA with a big shark on it when I watched the Patriots game...... a little birdie told me to retire it if they went undefeated in the regular season...... I went to a sport's store to buy a Tedy Bruschi shirt for the playoffs and they didn't have my size..... I had to settle for a Tom Brady shirt......
of course.... when I related this story to a friend at my local post office..... someone over hearing the conversation took exception to my wording "I had to settle for"..... some people just take stuff toooooooo seriously.....

Jamie

Look on the "Status " link it tells the counties and what type of ballot that have been reported.

These are absentee and early voteing ballots. may some of the Florida folks could give an idea of the locations of the counties.

Jack

Now that Kathleen and the twins aren't in charge, the SOS numbers should be honest ... or as honest as Florida gets.

"oops, campaigning- yes I've opened a bottle of a lovely Cabernet from the Sterling Vinard in Napa."
"Be prepared tto have to interpret my typing tonight"

Who cares about the typing! In vino veritas! ;-)

msnbc'' obama campaign branch headquarters' whatever happen to reporting the news instead of trying to shape it according to thier own personal views

Both Fox and CNN are reporting GOP and Democratic numbers in Florida, but the Obama campaign, (MSNBC) is only reporting GOP results so far..What a joke MSNBC has become..Let's see if things change as people complain..

JennBe,
"Sterling Vinard in Napa."
Be prepared for flak. KGC is a Sonoma girl. I prefer El Dorado county. Renee, well, she'll drink anything... :-)

damn......all's I could find at the corner was Boone's Farm......now I'm depressed again.......

Guess I better drink the Boone's Farm.........

both of them........

I've decided that MSNBC has come to the conclusion that dishonest and hated with great ratings is better than honest and fair with so so ratings.

Now if they will just give up the pretense of being a news station, we can treat it as the pornographic fiction it is

jamie.....they must please their masters........which means money, whatever it takes, eh?

What kind of claim is being made about Senator Obama in his national TV ad? It begins, "after college, he could have accepted a job paying $500,000..."

Yeah, well, I could have taken a job as a CEO paying $25 million a year, or I could have signed on as a movie star pulling down $50 million per picture. Or I could have cultivated a friendship with Dubya, and I'd be pulling in a half-billion a week with some non-bid contract for a service I could offer.

Is there any proof that Senator Obama had a lucrative offer, or are we just to take the announcer's word?

Or are they just trying to make lemonade out of lemons?

I'll have a double Absolut vodka martini, dirty, on the rocks, with 6 large olives, please.

No, no.....last Kool-aid I drank was in vacation bible school.......I didnt last long there......Kool-aid sucks and the Cookie was made out of like.......dogcrap.........

Sturg,
Paisan! I figured you for a Gallo guy. Or maybe MD 20-20...

Colleen,
Six large olives? Do you want a salad or a drink?

Masters of War......poster of Mickey Goofy and Donald Duck around the Hookah........Kesey painting the bus......Mustang Sally......Aztec Ceremonial weed....Hold on a sec, I gotta dig out my damned Esquire magazines.......

yeah.....mick don and goof were seventies.......now I'm even more depressed.......

Ahhh, the good ole days of boone's farm and tickled pink!!!

Take a look at the Orange county results Obama beat Hillary by 1 vote.

The CNN coverage ... all male has beens except for one lovely, black, and seemingly honest woman that they cut to since she isn't in the room with the Boys Club.

ron paul'' the only one who has ever read the constitution

The DOS has Romney ahead but still very close.

MD 20 20 only good if you pour half into a glass and fill with beer......then you have a whole nother one......

goddamn sturg.....

now I have to wipe a good wine off my computer screen!

Just checking in briefly folks...hello to everyone.

My only observation right now is that it is extremely scary to be a person named "LardassLiberal" and to simultaneously recognize the fact that Pat Buchanan is the only person on national TV tonight who seems to make sense to me.

Talk about cognitive dissonance. I'm scared. My tummy hurts.

Three White (one may be Hispanic) and one black

dnd I call the olives dinner

larry haynes, Dennis Kucinich knows the Constitution

LaL

I've felt that way for days. You keep looking for the boys in the White Coats because it is obvious your mental capacities have slipped away.

Rudy is down by like 100,000. Time to say bye.

Porfessor Carol Swain is my new hero.

Theres been a change. Four guys, one is a Hispanic.

obama' to lose 2 to 1'' msnbc says that don't mean anything''' it would be a miraculous victory if it was the other way around

John Dean knows the constitution.........

Gotta go put the kids to bed so I'll be back soon.

obama' to lose 2 to 1'' msnbc says that don't mean anything''' it would be a miraculous victory if it was the other way around

they are right...Obama is a big loser

CNN

Wolf Blitzer has taken over with the big screens.

If you want real coverage That's the place to go.

your right dennis kucinich '' was ignored too

A few minutes ago, Keith O. reported some Demo. figures and described them as just released..although Fox and Cnn have been reporting figures for almost an hour..

If MSNBC were a movie script, nobody would believe it.

Still not showing Democratic count on the crawl at bottom of screen..

Clintonetheus Unbound

Clinton declared winner by CNN

Ted Kennedy -- who, in 1969, had to at least be a second-term senator well over the age of 40...but still exhibiting the judgement of a teenager. Was drunk, and drove a car into the water. A woman died.

Then, later, he screwed up the Democratic Party by his continual skirt-flashing about running for president...but never having the balls to really win the job.

Meanwhile, all his cousins, nephews and other relatives are either raping people, entering re-hab or skiing drunk into trees.

Why are we still listening to this man...and to this family? It's over folks. The Kennedys were a wet dream. Get the hell over it.

I finally got it.......when people began snapping to Fox awhile back..........the bastards quietly drifted to MSNBC.........musta started about the time they canned Phil Donahue...........I gotta pay more attention........

Lardass....
maybe we should all change our names to Alice.....

I swear we've all been high jacked into Never Ever Wonderland....

Even Fox is doing a better job of just presenting the facts.

They said neither campaigned there but it does mean something and she is the winner.

Lard......that's a hell of a brush to be tarred with, wot?

OMG

Could there actually come a time when FOX can truthfully be considered "fair and balanced"

I'm the Red Queen where are those darn flamingos and wickets made of cards.

Sturg...thing is, I was raised in an Irish-Catholic, hardcore Dem household that revered that family. But once you start doing the math, it only adds up to sad. That's it.

The Old Man (Joe) was a phukkin criminal. The son that was elected president never realized his potential...the son Robert was probably the best and most capable but got blown away before he could show it. And the rest of the story is a sad tale of a bunch of sexually repressed Irish drunkards.

How does that equal "the dream"? I have no idea. You tell me.

they're out to get everyone confused.......Fox will change to democrat and Msnbc of course is now gop......just like the clarence thomas hearings had strom thurmond attacking a black girl to defend a black guy for the supreme court.......you know? it's all wacky-nutzo......

Fox is even using an attractive picture of Hillary

When is that satellite supposed to hit?

Okay, I've got JM and MR numbers that show virtually a tie, how is the press getting different numbers?

Note to Keith Olberman: check out some smothers brothers, dude.......

Before the jokes start remember it is south florida that is so f'd up not the rest of the state. Those south Florida residents did not grow up here. Just something to think about.

Norah O'Donnel MSNBC is doing all she can to minimize Hillary victory due to early voting..If she would do her job,she would see that the results are matching the most recent polling.

It irritates me when I know more than MSNBC flacks who do this for a living.

Where'd they grow up ?

aHA! NBC owns Rupert Murdoch.

Sorry Stur, meant to say they moved here from the North East.

Oregon - I agree - Norah really focused on minimzing HRC victory. And Russert jumped on the bandwagon - I think misinterpreting the results.

some of them stopped off in charleston........

bunch of yankey's

yankeys......you mean those guys who order lots and lots of expensive cabinets?

I'm sure Labber can attest but we don't have problems voting in Tallahassee.

me and my friends are starting a fund to commission a statue in honor of those nice people seeking warmer climes who like to pay people what they're worth.......

no delegates have been assigned in Iowa or Nevada for that matter...right now the status the same. There is a way to award them but none have been awarded

JennBe - You are so right. Tallahassee can teach everyone how to vote -- and how to COUNT -- if they would just let us.

Lard....I beg to disagree about Teddy. Baggage, yes. Working for liberal causes, YES.

HOWEVER....I said it many threads ago and I say it again: just GIVE Obama the nomination. GIVE it to him. Hillary cannot win against her negatives, the conservatives, right wing talk radio, asshole old fat so-called liberals like Ed Shultz and NBC. Let alone the half-assed attack by CNN.

GIVE it to him.

Ask and it shall be given. Satellite may hit U.S. AP 46 minutes ago.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEAD_SATELLITE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-01-29-19-42-50

In terms of Florida it is on the web site of the Florida Democratic Party and there is a statement from Dr.Dean the delegates will be seated --they just get last pick of the hotel rooms

Hey Patsi. You're probably right. I'm just blowing out excess methane in my opinions. In fact, my carbon footprint from just this blog probably equals that of a small third-world country.

I'll definitely back whomever gets nominated...unless its Chris Matthews.

Love you guys.

As the saying goes, "No good deed goes unpunished." And so goes Rudy.

tt

Reminds me of my mother inlaw, she was a solid Republican who lived down the street from Harry Truman. She always said she didn't want to die before the election because she would vote democrat. I guess the joke is on her because she passed on 3 months ago.

Jack

"Let alone the half-assed attack by CNN."

And the full out barrage of anti Hillary coverage by MSNBC plus 12 hour a day Obama commercial.

He has been crowned, annointed, and is well on the way to canonization ... elections are cancelled in perpetuity for a life time reign.

Give it to him.."
Patsi

actually that's a funny idea, then she could run againt him after his first term....

What a news day for Truman's daughter to die.

Whiskey..you're kidding? I grew up in Harry Truman's home town. In fact, my mom grew up in the house he actually had lived in when he was, like, a teenager. We need to talk.

Jamie...did Margaret Truman die today? I hadn't heard.

sheesh will u hilliary cry-babies give it a break, come on folks take a deep breath,,,breathed--inhale now exhale, u will feel a lot better

hilliary is about to speak and i dont know why im getting sleepy....

Voted best pix on the internet.

http://www.whatatop.com/

htttp://english.whatatop.com/pics.php?idserie=77

Scroll down on the left for Categories.

tt

is that the best billiary could do 20 point win in florida, thats not impressive at all

Yes. See my 5:16 post for the link.

johnR......two woids...........Dunce.

Hillary aint campaigning.......she's, uh.......celebrating?

be nice sturg ;) and can u wake me up after momma quits talking

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz creeps me out as much as Hillary Clinton.

so she dont talk so good.......like bush......hell, they can't all be bill clintons.......lol

JohnR...I know it's tough living with halitosis. But it shouldn't be a death sentence. There are several resources available to you. Get help, buddy.

MSNBC..filling 2/3 of screen with GOP graphic while
Hillary speaks..What a disgrace..

Time for a smoke break....

For Hillary? For love? Lost Love?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hAJKC2P8zE

Debbie's cuter than a speckled pup caught under an iron gate.......

Craig -- "yep, spike, thanks for that, printed it out last night."

Figured you'd be in your jammies by the time I got that posted....

thanks for the insight LARD, heheheh MSNBC just axed grandma from speaking

if beady-eye's brain was lard it wouldn't grease too big a pan........

----Jed Clampett

Why is anyone surprised??? Learn about JW's "LOST BOYS".

BREAKING NEWS FROM INTRADE THE INTRADE PRESIDENTIAL FUTURES MARKETS....

The Intrade Florida Republican Presidential Futures Market appears to have called the race for John McCain. The market started trading McCain above the 90% probability-to-win steadily at approximately 8 p.m. EST.

JohnR...
Gee...how will I go on...now that MSNBC, controller of all reality...has cut to a commercial break?

The nastiness of Obama's supporters and campaign surrogates in their dismissiveness of MY VOTE has turned my stomach.

I'd vote for the dem no matter who it is. I can't say the same for a large part of my state. They'd better tread lightly and be pretty fucking careful about how much they crack jokes over our disenfranchisement.
florida voter| 01.29.08 - 8:57 pm | #

less jobs.....more wars.........John McCain ' 08

very nize.......I like it.

I find it interesting that some Obama supporters are so willing to dismiss the voices of more than a million Florida Democrats..

I'm so looking to February 5th!

"BREAKING NEWS FROM INTRADE THE INTRADE PRESIDENTIAL FUTURES MARKETS...."

Must have been too many adult beverages involved prior to posting....Woops...

I am sort of enjoying the panel discussion with Joe and Pat tonight. Its great to see them arguing about which of the republicans the republicns hate more.

katherine, tell that floridian face reality they wasted their time it does not count!!! and also tell them to try pepto bismo for that stomach problem ;)

oh, goody goody.....we're all going to play over at ronnie's house........

Have changed channels away from MSNBC...their bias toward Romney and Obama is simply too obvious. Even if they were my chosen candidates, I'd rather hear news than wishes.

So...if Craig is going to be on, would someone please post it so I can switch back long enough to catch his appearance?

wow, MSNBC giving more air time to hucklebee than billiary

The Florida Democratic Party has reached and agreement with the DNC and the delegates will be seated you can read about it on their web site.

Oregon - I think it shows that both sides (Obama and Hillary) do what any normal politician needs to do - you emphasize your wins, and you minimize your losses.

At least the Hillary campaign isn't claiming that Obama is racist - or whatever - for discounting the Florida vote

Now there's a surprise, kgc! Michigan will be seated, too. All votes will ultimately be counted.

Do they say "Hillary wins"? nope......they say, "Hillary received more votes than the other two".

lol

hey katherine can u post the link or is the link www.wishfulthinking.com ;)

At least the Hillary campaign isn't claiming that Obama is racist - or whatever - for discounting the Florida vote

no so far they are limiting themselves to telling Floridians to STFU because they voted wrong

and I do not think you can draw conclusions about
alleged impacts of things about the difference in the early voting and the election day voting...although that did not stop Bill Kristol

KGC

Get used to it. We may be in for another 8 years of smirk.

"Debbie Wasserman-Schultz creeps me out as much as Hillary Clinton."

Why Jenn, because she doesn't act like she's running for head cheerleader? And I say this as an old head cheerleader.

Jamie...Does that mean you think Obama will win the nomination? I don't. I think Hillary will still win it.

johnr
I'm sure someone as bright as you can find the web site of the Florida democratic party..or did you clog up your keyboard with cheeto dust

Nice song and video, Corey :)

The postcards remind me of the cards on Frank Warren's website. Frank is a local man, who started his project by handing out blank postcards in metro station, asking people to(anonymously) send in their secrets, to him. He now has his website, four books and he also travels around the country giving lectures.

It's an interesting site...check it out :)

http://postsecret.blogspot.com/

Jaime - smirk?? please explain

kgc -- "The Florida Democratic Party has reached and agreement with the DNC"

Got a link? I don't see it on either the Florida or DNC site...

they won't let craig crawford back on msnbc'' he does't go along with their storyline'too truthful

cheeto dust with some nebulous coagulent.......

katherine, hehehehehehe rofl that was a good one cheeto dust

"or did you clog up your keyboard with cheeto dust"

OOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!

Those mean women are picking on you John.
LOL

Jack

MSNBC is gone in my house....poof gone.

I had a really good thoughts to post when I sat down to post, but the number of reprehensible comments on MSNBC have exceeded my short term memory bank.

I know I am a newbie, and most likely less well versed in all this sh*t. then most here, but nonetheless I cant help but to protect myself and my VOTE from the @ssholes on MsNbc.

F those Florida voters.........is that what MSnbc believes? I do not live there, but if I did, I would be very very pissed-off at the whole team at Msnbc.

I do appreciate the old guy, with the comb over, Pat.

Anyway thank you for listening.

I met President Clinton today, he shook my hand, and signed my book. He was very on-target with a small crowd that was put together in less then 24 hours.

That's all I can say..... oh wait

Tonight when I was watching - FOXNEWS was a better to the democrats the MSnbc and Cnn. Can you believe that?????

katherine, billiary should promote u from blogger to speechwriter, if u wrote for her i would listen to her, like ur humour ;)

What about the delegate selection process? Why still go through with the process if the DNC isn’t giving Florida any delegates?
Although the DNC has said it will not recognize delegates from Florida, the Party plans to appeal to the eventual Democratic nominee for President to be seated at the Convention. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the Chair of the 2008 National Convention, and DNC Chairman Howard Dean both confirmed that this does not minimize the importance and impact of the vote on January 29th. With this in mind, the Party will continue the delegate selection process to elect the actual delegates to the Democratic National Convention and will use the results of the January 29th Presidential Preference Primary to determine the apportionment of those delegates.

http://www.fladems.com/page/content/makeitcount-faqs/#q15

Back to an earlier Lardass post about the Kennedy family history of drunkeness... Massachusetts voters have been enabelers. Maybe time for an intervention.

I'm also hearing that Bill Clinton has toned down his message up in NJ. All that stuff down in SC is going to be like a rock thrown in a pond. Big slash, some ripples, then gone. Except for MSRIP, they'll try to keep it going. They need to air more Lockup San Quniten type of shows.

Labber - When he isn't speaking or waving, Obama's face is almost a permanent smirk .. not quite as bad as Bush, but darn close.

HW "Does that mean you think Obama will win the nomination? I don't. I think Hillary will still win it."

I'm still hopeful, but it is going to be a brawl and the media is leaning hard on Obama's side.

H20.......very cool meeting the big bill.......
I told ya......Fox and Msnbc are going to change partners.........

Lardass

email
whskyjack in care of yahoo

Jack

hey kathy

The Florida Democratic Party has reached and agreement with the DNC and the delegates will be seated you can read about it on their web site.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 29, 2008 9:01 PM

ur last post doesnt sound to me that it is certain, so which is it they will be seated or they will petition?

If Rudy Giulianni ever for one miniscule time unit EVER seriously entertained the thought that he might actually EVER be president.......I'll hire somebody to eat your shorts.......

Jaime - I am in the HRC camp, but I don't see Obama as "smirk".

they will be seated according to the vote today.

OMG - MSNBC is getting worse and worse -- that guy just referred to the panhandle of Florida as "the armpit" !! I take that personally.

when I was in crestview, i thought of the panhandle as more like the "carbuncle" than the armpit........

did'nt t you get the memo, florida democrats don't count

Dog

Watch him during the next debate. It's a really odd expression. I'm not saying either bad or good, it's just odd.

when i lived on santa rosa island, i thought of it as heaven!

Sturg - well that may be true of Crestview ;-)

kathy, ur post said the nominee is the one that will decide and have to push for them to be seated, we dont have a nominee yet

when I lived on Mexico Beach I thought of it as paradise

This better explains the Frank Warren story

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Le8AV_a1_9A

Larry - yea, we got that memo from the Supremes in 2000. Hopefully the dems will come around this year.

Jamie...

Being in neither the Obama nor Clinton camps in this election, I can objectively give my opinion that Hillary will ultimately be the Dem nominee. Just really looks that way to me....

johnr
this is the important part

Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the Chair of the 2008 National Convention, and DNC Chairman Howard Dean both confirmed that this does not minimize the importance and impact of the vote on January 29th. With this in mind, the Party will continue the delegate selection process to elect the actual delegates to the Democratic National Convention and will use the results of the January 29th Presidential Preference Primary to determine the apportionment of those delegates

hey labb....just kiddin'......it's a great place, it really is....it's just so hot down there.....how hot was it? It was so hot I saw two dogs chasing a rabbit and they were ALL WALKING......no, seriously.....we loved it there.....the enteriing and leaving signs were on one post......it was a very safe place, too.....if youre a bullet......I used to lay out in the back yard and get a good stain.......

Bye, Rudy.
*satisfied sigh*

johnr

the DNC can change its mind at any time

ran..... I might have but I'm stuck with hating summer and loving winter......it's a bummer

HW

Well that's how I'm still betting on a prediction site. :-) I'm not anti-Obama if it turns out that way, but I genuinely believe that she would be a much better president for what the U.S. needs right now while he is not.

HW

Well that's how I'm still betting on a prediction site. :-) I'm not anti-Obama if it turns out that way, but I genuinely believe that she would be a much better president for what the U.S. needs right now while he is not.

kathy, i am sure it will eventually count, but at this point in time it is not 100 percent guaranteed.

Okay if I took a bottle of say, Kettle one, ( I don't know my vodkas), and sat down in the morning with that MOJO show.....which btw gives the real "mojo" a bad name...and took a shot every time they bashed anyone with the last name of Clinton (including pets, streets and libraries) I would be drunk in 15 minutes.

I would be comatose in a half hour.

I have so 'had enough" . They zap the living and breathing soul out of my body.

The word HATE would be kind at this point.

I pledge to never start another day with MSnbc

JOIN ME IN MY PLEDGE - or pretend you do :)

will someone call rudy cell phone and tell him to hurry up and resign so i can go back to listening to pat buchannan

johnr

It is guaranteed. You can choose not to believe it and I see that it is a pattern with you. You live in an evidence free zone.

No one wants to write off the state of Florida and the issue of how the delegates will be apportioned is decided and no candidate would be smart to ooppose seating them.

Michigan is a different story. But Florida is a lock.

Is this Mitt's stump speech?

The Florida Democratic Party has reached and agreement with the DNC and the delegates will be seated you can read about it on their web site.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 29, 2008 9:01 PM

KGC- I checked out the site you linked to and it does not say that- it just says the DNC does not want to minimize the actual vote and that the Florida dems will still work to total delegates and eventually seat them.

Given the many early states that would be involved in any litigation pf this matter- as well as the respective campaigns positions- you can be sure that this will not be resolved quickly and cleanly.

If anybody wants to tell MSNBC what they really think, you can go to the query I put up today

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=544804&boardsparam=PostID%3D14481339

Jaime -- Watching Mitt? Now THERE's a smirk.

dog,
"Believe me, no one on their deathbed will be saying: "Good Lord. I wish I had watched more MSNBC.""

Well said!

Kathy
It says Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi have assured them they will seat their delegates according to the vote today.

Hey dog...good thinking!

h20.....Imus is back in NYC from 6 AM to 10 AM on WABC......get it on the computer..........

kathy, "a pattern" we are definetly getting too close to each other for u to make that statement ;) u sound like my spouse sheesh.... as i said i believe they will eventually count obvious u didnt read what i said but at this point in time ie right now they dont....

Mitt is so scary -- do you think he really believes W is all that? Or is it like everything else - his position of the week?

ran....if a tree dont fall on me I'll probably pass you on my way north........

KCG, Has to do with issues when she was in the state Legislature. She's just polar opposite to everything I believe, that's all.

Dissappointing results tonight for me, McCain is just not my guy. Time to open another bottle.

h20storm: I took the pledge(thanks Matthews) in 1999, I will watch if Craig is on but that is the only time. I fell off after 9/11 for while but it didn't take much Matthews to make me swear off again, That includes CNN and Fox

hooray for the internet

according to steinbeck.....in Travels With Charlie.......there's times where it's best to live in places where most people cant stand it........

assurances from Dr. Dean and other national democrats that they will be seated\
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23518

Kathy are you saying other states will sue to keep Florida from being seated. I cannot imagine the ill will that will cause.

Hey Jamie,

I agree that the media is leaning in favor of Obama, especially MSNBC.

I also agree with that smirk on Obama's, although it seems to diminish everytime something like FL occurs. He does not handle defeat well.

Here is the main point of interest that I gleaned from tonight: the exit polls. Like SC, most of Obama's support came from the African American community. He only got around a quarter of the white vote. He did poorly among the Latinos. This does not bode well for the SW states on Feb 5th.

I really cannot stand this hype about Oprah possibly campaigning for him. Here is why: Oprah owns a huge production company that has deep ties with the media. This seems like a lot of influence for one person who has the ability to manipulate the system.

Hey Labber, I wonder if you're my neighbor?

hi dog
Did you know he did a live chat at Firedoglake.
It was amazing. A couple of posters there mentioned contributing to Kiva - It was a great discussion.

KGC-
the post of yours at 9:41 links to Kos and some newspapers- and has Pelosi and Dean say that their Power stops at the convention the the nominee takes over and if he or she wants to seat them they can-

I am by no means an expert on this issue- but I think it would be up to FL to sue the DNC to seat the delegates and courts generally are not favorable to intervening in the rules of private organizations.

It seems to me if Clinton or Obama blow out delegates there is no issue, but if it is tight then FL would try to do something- or the Clinton campaign would.

Here in NH this issue is being actively watched and discussed- wonder what the people in Iowa think

Here is another point: Obama did campaign in FL via commercials. Yes, I have heard that those commercials are part of a nationwide campaign ad. However, I seriously doubt that his campaign could not have requested that it be pulled.

He talks about keeping promises, and yet, he did not keep the one not to campaign in FL.

Awwwwww...John McCain looks so happy :)

I am happy for him :)

Told MSNBC what I really think.
Thanks for the link Jamie.

That is so much more socially acceptable then me, like, doing some horrifically embarrassing stunt at their head-quarters....

I owe u 1

:)

JennBe - I'm in Tallahassee. You too?

Kathy
they already sued and lost. And they have said they will not sue again. There is nothing to be gained by
blocking the seating of the delegates.

Is it worth making the delegation angry and they will be seated. The party has agreed the primary will determine the allocation.

Do you think Huck is now effectively running for VP? He could be a way to make sure that the religious right turns out for the repubs?

McCain's curse is that from now on he begins to sound more and more like Joe Lieberman ..........

Kathy

Are you saying that NH so jealously guards its positon that it would jeopardize the outcome of the election by annoying Florida and what do you think the reaction of the DNC would be especially since they protected NH this round.

I had assumed that by now all this first me first stuff was bygones.

I brought up the issue of this FL delegate mess a couple of times on several of CC's older FL threads this past week and all I got was a bunch of vitriol and ad hominen attacks.
I'll say it again , if these delegates make any difference to the nomination, then this issue is not over and will probably land the parties in FL court.

Now that I think about it -- Huck would be glad to be VP to McCain. Huck's buddy karate boy says that McCain is so old he will die in office.

Now all the politically mad must wait a week for the blow out.

I know during the general election they don't give the results in the Eastern states until the Western states close.

Does anyone know the rules for the primaries? Can they do it one state at a time, or is the idea that one state can influence the vote in another in an unfair fashion still in effect?

The issue has already been in the courts.
Any candidate who would sue to keep them from being seated risks losing the state in the fall.

Hello Willie Brown. Give me back my delegation

KGC-

All's I'm saying is that your earlier post was not accurate- there is no agreement between the Florida Democratic Party and the DNC to seat their delegates-

As far as what anyone does from there- it would be up to the DNC to change its mind.

NH has nothing to do - the DNC set the rules which were agreed to-

No doubt there will be a lot more discussion on this in the days to come-

Kathy

They did agree the delegation would be apportioned according to the vote on January 29th.
The timing of the seating is a little more amorphous.

Do you think they should not be seated.

Craig- so the other day you were saying to be careful of Mitt- what do you think of McCain as the candidate? As a dem I have always been most fearful of him- respected and well liked, and still adored by the media-

As a MA native, I have enjoyed seeing Mitt consistently fall short.

But whoever the nominee on the dem side is, McCain will be a formidable candidate.

Obama Hints He’d Seat Florida Delegation
Posted Sep 30, 2007 by William March
Updated Sep 30, 2007 at 11:28 PM

Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he’s the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he’ll seat a Florida delegation at the party’s national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.

He didn’t say it outright, but came close, according to local Obama campaign leaders Frank Sanchez and Tom Scarritt, both involved in organizing the fundraiser.

Obama was asked during the event about making sure Floridians have a role in the nomination, despite the DNC sanctions and the pledge. He responded “do what’s right by Florida voters,” Scarritt said.

Obama also appeared to violate a pledge he and the other leading candidates took not to campaign in Florida before the primary.

Ping Red View…
If McCain maintains a lead on Super Tuesday then True Conservative Republican values are now dead. After all what is the difference between John McCain and HRC? Very Little.
McCain can claim success in Florida for two reasons,
1. He is a politician and he out politicked Mitt.
2. The Republican machine has adopted him in Florida for some unknown reason.. Maybe they think he is the only one that can beat Hillary – so they sold out true Less Government, conservative values.
McCain’s Remake from his true self was a success

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/news/story/obama-hints-hed-seat-florida-delegation/'

link

Kathy, You could almost feel sorry for the intense evangelicals. Who do they hate most: The Mormon, The Turncoat, or the She Devil

Has an almost lion, witch, or wardrobe quality.

Fifty minutes until I return to sanity: Dr. Who on BBC America

Dog -- Norris said it in an interview with somebody. You could probably find it on You Tube. It was discussed at the last debate - Huckabee was questioned about whether he agreed with Norris, and if not, why didn't he say anything. Huckabee made a joke about it - saying that he wouldn't say anything because Norris was standing right next to him and he didn't want to risk injury. Huckabee then also said that he didn't beleive McCain was too old, since he knows McCain's 94 year old mother is still alive and kicking (my words, not his)

So now tonight only four remain. How do those that failed that have votes distribute at the convention? Edwards’s votes go to? Or will HRC have enough going in IF Florida counts that she will be Majority?
So the count for the Republican before Florida was Mitt in front, Now McCain passes him? Will this go to the convention to decide? Or will Super Tuesday carry McCain to the finish line?
These and other questions answered on our next chapter of Can You Name the Pres

dog
it may not be fair. but it was a level playing field and all the candidates agreed. It is not in the interest of the Democratic party to leave Florida out. And all the campaigns had surrogates in the state and campaigns.

I don't know what they will do about Michigan because they did not have a fair vote.

dog

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3dbpfMWdPMQ

Dog , KCG,,, I do not think a rule change as I thought the rule allowed a change, THe exclusion of Florida by the DNC was not absolute and can be reveresed. Which would be expected now that the game playing is done.

I see Donna Brassile just gave the Obama message

Florida should hold a caucus

dog's eye,
I think the punishment was really meant to be that the Dems could not campaign in Florida. That kept them campaigning in the early states according to the DNC plan. I would be very suprised if the delegates from Florida and Michigan were not seated at the convention. I can't speak for others, but as an Iowan , I beleive they have been punished enough. Well, maybe not Michigan since I cannot stand Levin and with that state's money problems they had no business having a primary but you get my drift.

Is Kennedy's supporting Obama coming from an ethical place inasmuch as they don't like how HRC is running her campaign? You know, the ethical guy who cheated on exams @ Harvard and long after the fact had been at Chappaquiddick.

And it seems that this support, in part, comes from Caroline Kennedy's children who were born in 1988, 1990, and 1993.

Political folks are always interesting, in their own unique ways.

tt

Hillary is going to be on MSNBC !?

Is the panel going to grovel and beg forgiveness or smugly remind her that there are zero delegates!?

What will the market do after today and then after Super Tuesday.

dog
if you get a chance you might look at a couple of Craig's posts on the role of Florida and why the issue of campaigning was less important.

Hi Ping
sorry about the Mittster..it's not as much as winning.

see Donna Brassile just gave the Obama message

Florida should hold a caucus- KGC

That's a good suggestion. We had to that here in WA.

Problem I see, the candidates should be encouraging an alternative instead of fanning the flames

that should be

it's not as much fun as winning.

They should definitely caucus in Michigan that was screwy.

Both obama and clinton are on record for seating the delegation. hard to back out now.

I like voting too but caucusing is fun.

rezdog

if you live in wa..don't you get to do both?

Ping Pong,

Did you see McCain's Liberal Scores for 2006:

McCain, John, R-Ariz.
35 Economic
53 Social
40 Foreign
43.3 Overall

The figures for 2007 haven't been totaled yet, but I understand it is even more conservative.

MI is another can of worms. If fact , they'd be against FL getting recognized

KGC

Only the caucus votes will count

The Primary is a beauty contest for bragging rights only.

We did but the ballot was dismissed ,I think, lol,I hope so, I tossed mine, we caucus on 2/9

Jamie,
Maybe I am to focused on a few key issues. My biggest concern is how Healthcare and Immigration. Some of the other stuff who cares.
And most important to me is I see Mitt as a True Less Government type.. So maybe I was closer to Ron Paul??
I do not see this in McCain. That is why I say what is the differecne to HRC?

Good Nite my freinds...
It is a very long and hard work week,,,,

Craig you ever check your email?

Rezdog What part of Washington did you say you were in?

It would be ironic if the primary system designed to give a more diverse voice to the primary system ended up being brokered at the convention because two
states were shut out.

WSJ reports Rudy out and endorse McCain.
So Rudy what value are you anyway...

Bla

CRAIG, You can report that some conservative Republicains may actually vote for HRC over McCain, Hey if you are going to go that direction, might as well go all the way and give the Dems a chance, And rebuild true less gov't, conservative values....

Oh well,

Ping Pong

Mitt too pretty liberal positions in Massachusetts and then his speeches took a hard right turn when he started running for president.

It's probably a toss up between McCain and Romney

I'd think I 'd love to see a true negotiated convention before i go. I'm not sure how it all plays out. Very interesting!

Jamie I'm in W. Oly

Yes Labber I'm in the Killearn area. Been here for around 15 years, grew up in Ocala.

Ping, I hear ya! Win some you lose some, it sucks but I wasn't really sold on any of our options. We need Newt.

" Republicains may actually vote for HRC over McCain,"

Ping Pong,

I've said for months that a large percentage of at least moderate and probably a bunch of the conservative Republican women would vote for Clinton the instant they got in the privacy of a booth

Her voting record in the senate is an average of 70% Liberal overall but her economic and foreign ratings are in the low 60s. with a high social

Obama's is an average of 86% Liberal with high economic and foreign and low social.

I gotta figure an autographed Giulliani Baseball couldn't be worth much.

"Craig you ever check your email?"

Ping Pong, He probably hasn't been out of the studio all day. He's only posted once with this thread.

Jamie, this time I have to disagree, there is no way that any Republican will vote for Hillary, Obama maybe regardless of his liberal status he gives the impression of seeing the big picture.

Good Night All

Have a good rest of the night

yes we won florda....Gooooooo Hillary.......

Why is this an argument? Obama campaigned in Florida. Hillary did not. Barack ran television ads. Hillary did not. Can this conversation get any stupider????

hey Dexter, Doris Kearns is on A Daily Show tonight

Will someone please provide the nicknames for the cast of characters?

I am so green behind the ears, I do not know who "tweety" is? or many of the others......thanks

I think if you guys will reference Craig, he'll tell you very clearly that both Clinton and Obama found ways to skirt the promise not to campaign in FL...Clinton by going to the state this week for her fundraiser, Obama with his 'national' ad buy. They're both smart politicians...found a way to do what they felt needed to be done while only violating the 'spirit' of the law.

waterstorm...

Tweety is Chris Matthews. Who else would you like to know about?

Night all! I'm on political overload, thank God Lost starts on Thursday.

Giuliani is going to drop out or did already.

tt

Thanks for the answer.
In our house we call CM the "spitter", he always seems to has too much saliva.

that isn't very nice of me
:( ....

...but you're right about the spitting. Tweety was so-named because of the color of his hair...looks like Tweety Bird.

Tiptoe,

In answer, Giuliani did quit: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iyM-KTdp3jrniNOZ80hWZGc7ZWiQD8UFVCN81

as an older woman and a big Hillary supporter, I couldnt be more thrilled....However I am disgusted with the behavior of MSNBC for refusing to have the numbers on and calling it as a win for her and saying it was illegal...that was like a total news blackout and was more like the communists in Russia would do instead of a news network in a free democracy...Shame on them...More Democrats voted for HIllary tonite than Olberman has viewers...they can no longer call themselves a news organization and are just shills for Obama....shame shame shame....

Obama Memo to Press: Florida Doesn't Count

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet. Posted January 29, 2008.

Clinton camp poised to declare victory in state with no delegates

Sen. Barack Obama's campaign is encouraging the national media not to fall for a Clinton campaign declaration of victory in Florida's Primary election today, because the state cannot award delegates to the Democratic Party's national nominating convention. Florida and Michigan both were penalized after

I think that because the Raiders won an exhibition game that the league all agreed didn't count, that they be allowed to add this victory to their regular season total. I mean damn, they had a bunch of people watch them play so that has to count for something right.

Dang Clintonites. Aren't you even in the slight embarrassed about your candidate cheating to pick up a victory? Seriously. She looks desperate and needy.

A big step towards a McCain presidency and the gods are furious.
The winds are howling,small tree limbs, cans, papers and debris are swirling quickly in the air.
It's a hard wind a-blowin' here for sure.
I don't know whether to buy any of this talk about McCain not being able to shake his maverick status and appease the conservatives or not.
I think I was correct in assuming that the Crist / Martinez endorsements were crucial.
Now we await Tuesday and see what happens.
Damn these winds are strong here!

The corporate media is shoving Obama down our throats because they are trying to set up an easy win for the Republicans. Those whiny Obots complain about Bill and Hillary Clinton "attacking" him, he will be devoured by the Republicans! They are evil and demonic! All true Democrats should know this by now. It is like finding God and not being able to recognize satan!