Harry Truman’s great advice to “get a dog” if you want a friend in Washington never gets old – and it’s a thought that must occur to Rudy Giuliani’s campaign team after trying to do something nice for the media.
The Republican hopeful autographed baseballs as a gift for his traveling press corps on the eve of today’s Florida primary. And what did the former New York mayor get from reporters for his touching gesture? They turned on him, saying it shows that he is finished.
Even one of Giuliani’s hometown newspapers, the New York Post, interpreted the gift as “signaling that his daily interactions with the media were coming to an end.”
Let that be a lesson for politicians in their relations with the media: Never offer your hand to the dog that bites you.
Comments
WOO! WOO!
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | January 29, 2008 4:01 PM
well, Craig....
you know what "they" say....
never trust a politician....... but trust a reporter even less.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | January 29, 2008 4:06 PM
i really dont understand the rudy campaign tho.. ya can't ignore early primaries completely..
Posted by: tylenol
| January 29, 2008 4:06 PM
Doesn't it actually mean never offer your balls to the dog that bites you?
Posted by: messymarcy | January 29, 2008 4:08 PM
Euro Tom, even those of us with left-leaning tendencies who hail from Massachusetts never really have thought of Kennedy men as being virtuous. Their original wealth came from illegal activity (rum-running during Prohibition), and family values haven't always been their strong suit. What tickles me pink about Teddy's endorsement isn't the fact THAT he gave it; it is the IN YOUR FACE, CLINTONS way with which he delivered it. Priceless. I could watch Teddy screaming "HE'LL BE READY FROM DAY ONE" into the camera over and over and over again.
Posted by: Claire
| January 29, 2008 4:11 PM
tylenol....
Rudy did not ignore NH..... that is a "fairy tale" told by the media.....
the only other candidate who was in NH for more days than Rudy was Romney....
who lives in the neighboring state and owns a vacation home on Lake Winnipesaukee....
I remember BowmanC reporting on going to a Giuliani campaign event and stating that it was poorly attended.....
apparently...... the Republicans from this state just weren't impressed with him...
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | January 29, 2008 4:12 PM
Craig, I love the observation you made on Morning Joe that the problem with Rudy's campaign is that Rudy campaigned. :-)
Posted by: Claire
| January 29, 2008 4:13 PM
The poor plunger
well he'll always have Tweety
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 29, 2008 4:13 PM
Ty- one of the media falsehoods is that Rudy did not work the early primary states- actually he was in NH more than 100 times!!- but just did not catch on. He was a candidate without a party in a way, as the repubs could not buy into his positions on abortion and gays, - then all the scandals caused others to still pull away.
After gaining absolutely no traction he folded up here for the most part- Romney tried to buy support here but the state went to McC.
Posted by: Kathy | January 29, 2008 4:14 PM
You know, that baseball thing struck me as weird. I know Rudi has probably thrown some baseballs out as first pitches, but does he have any other connection to Beisball other than having been mayor in a city with 2 teams? I just found it to be a strange gesture.
Posted by: pogo
| January 29, 2008 4:15 PM
"Doesn't it actually mean never offer your balls to the dog that bites you?"
ROFL!!! Excellent.
Posted by: Patsi | January 29, 2008 4:17 PM
Power Through Delegates May Be Edwards Strategy
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/29/us/politics/29edwards.html?ex=1202274000&en=297705c4dcf8765a&ei=5070&emc=eta1
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 4:18 PM
Pogo, it's a cheap-enough souvenir when you're running out of campaign cash.
Posted by: Claire
| January 29, 2008 4:19 PM
I wish Jacqueline Kennedy was still alive. She was a woman of such high class and morals. I think she would have enthusiastically supported Hillary's campaign.
As for Obama, hell yes he would be ready at Day 1, certainly as ready as Bill Clinton was on his first day. That argument I don't think is justified.
Oh and Brian, thanks for the link of that excellent NY NOW statement... I've sent it around My MySpace and to my various mailing lists. Cheers mate!
Posted by: EuroTom
| January 29, 2008 4:19 PM
Pissy is as pissy does Euro...
BTW, am I the only person here that thinks Joe and Mika have something going on the side?
I wouldn't be shocked to hear that news next holiday season...
BTW,
Craig, loved you analysis about the difference between the Kennedy's/ Idealists and the Clinton/Pragmatists...
That was the most astute bit of analysis this campaign season. Second Best was your bit about Rudy campaigning...
Clare,
I agree with your Kennedy sentiment completely, even though I would vote for Bill Clinton in any election he runs for, I am a huge fan of the F you Ted dropped on them.
Posted by: Bear
| January 29, 2008 4:19 PM
Pogo, I won't respond to Brian's "review" of NOW. Talking to Brian about feminism is like asking Adolf Hitler what he thinks about anti-semitism.
Posted by: Patsi | January 29, 2008 4:19 PM
oops Patsi, now the Jews are going to be pissed.
Posted by: EuroTom
| January 29, 2008 4:22 PM
Hey I have a question... it's 10:30 pm here, but when do the Florida primary polls close and does anyone have any ideas on what exit polling is saying?
Posted by: EuroTom
| January 29, 2008 4:23 PM
Part of Rudi's problem is that by having such a limited vocabulary - dominated by the non-word 9/11 - hespeaks a language that very few seem to understand, and continually insists that his is the only language anyone should speak. He may end up in a great position to say "I told you so" if America is attacked again, but no one with half a brain will have buyer's remorse even then. After all, within a couple of weeks, his face was no longer in the news every night because he had ball games to go to. Oh, maybe that's why he chose baseballs - he spent more time at the old ball game after 9/11 than at ground zero. Maybethat wasn't such a good choice of a gift after all.
Posted by: pogo
| January 29, 2008 4:23 PM
Patsi, I am still chuckling over your comment. You are brilliant!
"Pogo, I won't respond to Brian's "review" of NOW. Talking to Brian about feminism is like asking Adolf Hitler what he thinks about anti-semitism."
Posted by: Patsi | January 29, 2008 4:19 PM
Posted by: EuroTom
| January 29, 2008 4:27 PM
Yes this jew is pissed. Patsi you're an ass.
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 4:27 PM
"She was a woman of such high class and morals. I think she would have enthusiastically supported Hillary's campaign."
Given that she fled the country to get away from politics and its repercussions, my guess is that at the most she would have imitated the other class act of her generation in the family, Eunice Shriver, and stayed neutral at this time.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 4:29 PM
Craig,
Nice light-hearted topic this afternoon.
Even though the members of the press corp thought the gift was a sign Rudy was near the end of the trail, the ingrates could have kept that thought to themselves.
Kind of reminds me of my ex-mother-in-law. She's a wonderful lady, but I'm sure she's never had an "unspoken thought."
Posted by: EdVB
| January 29, 2008 4:30 PM
Brian, sorry, but it does seem that you have problems with women, especially strong women with feminist ideals. I would think that their struggle would also be your struggle as a Gay man.
And calling Patsi an ass is a bit over-the-top, sorry. The comment is FUNNY.. if you lightened up even you could see the humor in it.
T.
Posted by: EuroTom
| January 29, 2008 4:31 PM
In Brian's dictionary
ASS: Anyone who calls him out.
Posted by: Patsi | January 29, 2008 4:31 PM
Tom, they close at midnight in your neck of the woods. I haven't seen anything about exit polls - maybe others have.
Posted by: pogo
| January 29, 2008 4:31 PM
I have no trouble with woman you moron.
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 4:33 PM
Patsi,
You've got to be mighty proud of your son Adam standing on principle. Something we don't see all that much in politics these days.
Posted by: dnd | January 29, 2008 4:34 PM
You think Jamie? She was close with Hillary as I recall. And she could easily empathize with the strains of being a First Lady. I don't say she would actively campaign, but I just thought she might give an endorsement. However, I see your point as well !!!
My god, I am an hour late for sleep, I am going to be a wreck tomorrow.
Posted by: EuroTom
| January 29, 2008 4:34 PM
EdVB,
Members of the press corps keeping a thought to themselves? Thanks for the chuckle...
Posted by: Claire
| January 29, 2008 4:35 PM
Patsi add "moron" to the descriptor of "ass"
tee hee... :)
xoxoxoxo I have to stop, I can't stop laughing.
Posted by: EuroTom
| January 29, 2008 4:36 PM
Euro and Patsi,
You should know that "anti semitic" humor is a far more dangerous rail to touch and other taboo subjects....
As for the gay man having a similar fight with women, you are way off in that assessment and as a straight male, I am a tad bit offended for Brian.
Posted by: Bear
| January 29, 2008 4:36 PM
Well, there were voting problems in Florida- imagine that. And just where are Kitty and the Twins when the shit hits the fan?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-polls012908,0,4785381.story
Posted by: pogo
| January 29, 2008 4:37 PM
Excuse me Bear, but as a Gay man, I think I can also speak on the issue. and the humor was not "anti-semitic"... You are way off. And my god, people sure love being "offended"... it's the hallmark of American society it seems.
"you've OFFENDED meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..."
Posted by: EuroTom
| January 29, 2008 4:38 PM
Can't we all just get along? :,-<
Posted by: Claire
| January 29, 2008 4:45 PM
Euro...
While I won't identify myself as snarky, I was making a sarcastic comment. As someone who still giggles at mommy mommy or Helen Keller jokes, I could tell you were all just kidding.
My comment was more towards the Bill Donahue, ethnic mafia types who would certainly misconstrue the comment...
On a different note, anyone know how quickly brush fires move on average?
Apparently I live within 6 miles of a brush fire...wind gusts are up to 40 MPH and I wonder if I have the time to run home...
Posted by: Bear
| January 29, 2008 4:45 PM
Claire,
You're right of course. They write without thinking, so why hold in any thoughts that they've actually formulated on their own.
However, the "funny" line was supposed to be the one about my mother-in-law.
Posted by: EdVB
| January 29, 2008 4:45 PM
I'm offended by all these people being offended. Just kidding - I don't stand in the shoes of Jews, women or gays,so who am I to even suggest what does or doesn't, should or shouldn't offend any of you who do?
Well, all, gotta run - kid has basketball game and a science project to work on. Manana
Posted by: pogo
| January 29, 2008 4:47 PM
I liked the mother-in-law line, too, Ed. :-)
Posted by: Claire
| January 29, 2008 4:47 PM
they move QUICKLY bear... be very careful
Posted by: EuroTom
| January 29, 2008 4:47 PM
Bear,
Don't wonder just rush home. I expect that given the right circumstances, the fire could move faster than the wind gusts.
Posted by: EdVB
| January 29, 2008 4:49 PM
Bear
Depends on the fuel.
a prairie fire through tall grass almost as fast as the wind blowing it.
Short grass or oak leaf forrest, not as fast.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | January 29, 2008 4:52 PM
CLAIRE:
If you get a satellite dish and get Imus, you'll notice a remarkable difference.
Imus is on WABC, the "Limbaugh-Hannity station"
in New York, and in keeping with that theme, Imus has shifted to the right quite a bit...he's always having Michael Graham, Joe LIEberman, Mary Matalin, and others on MUCH more than the Paul Begalas and Tom Oliphants of the sphere.
You may have missed my post from yesterday...Charles comes on at 6:00 AM, does 2 minutes of news, then they cut away from New York and go to a 4-commercial set, then cut to an 8 to 12 minute farm segment, then return to Imus, who tells us who the lineup is, then back to another commercial set, then finally a few words from Imus and a guest, then to the top of the hour with another 4-comm-set, then Charles and the news, and the cycle repeats.
It's a lot different than it used to be...every 15 minutes Patrick, the head of RFD comes on the screen urging us to call our cable companies and demand RFD-TV. It's wearing thin...but INFINITELY better than Scarbucket and Mika.
Posted by: Dexter
| January 29, 2008 4:54 PM
Bear....
take care of yourself......
yeah.... it seems like there's a whole lot of offending going on around here lately....
as a member of the adult wing of the independent party.... I say..... SO WHAT!
EuroTom..... you are a breath of fresh air in here......
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | January 29, 2008 4:55 PM
Bear,
How much time you have depends on which way the wind is blowing. If you are in the path, be very careful and obey the orders of the fire fighters.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 5:01 PM
Does Tweety ever think before his mouth opens.
"If you are not supposed to campaign in a state, why would you schedule a victory party in the state?"
DUH! The election part is over.
The man majors in stupid.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 5:02 PM
If thanking her voters is so important to Hillary it kind of makes you wonder why she didn't stick around SC long enough to thank her supporters in that state.
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 5:04 PM
Dexter, thanks for the repost re RFD-TV. Doesn't sound too appealing what with the farm segments and the call your cable company-s. Why ask people who are already watching a station to call their cable companies to ask for the station? (I know, satellite vs. cable and all that, but people who CAN'T see the station can't see they plea now, can they?)
Unfortunately, a satellite dish isn't in my future. I'm not the decision-maker/bill-payer so I'm stuck with cable for the time being. I just need to haul my ass out of bed earlier and turn on the freakin' radio or listen online.
Sorry to hear that Tom Oliphant is on less...you don't have to agree with anything he says to know that he's one of the smartest people in the biz. Just listening to him raises one's IQ by 10 or 20 points. Losing a regular Tom Oliphant segment was one of the bummers of losing the Al Franken Show. Tom was one of Imus' BIGGEST defenders in the days following the Rutgers flap; he should be on every other day just for that.
Posted by: Claire
| January 29, 2008 5:05 PM
If thanking her voters is so important to Hillary it kind of makes you wonder why she didn't stick around SC long enough to thank her supporters in that state.
Just following the Obama rule book when you are losing leave,,,,he left Nevada before the caucuses ended.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 29, 2008 5:07 PM
And yet he won Nevada, got more delegates right?
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 5:08 PM
KGC..you're in california?
Posted by: tylenol
| January 29, 2008 5:09 PM
Just read through most of what I missed while I was sleeping today. Did Brian get compared to Tweety? EuroTom and I have the same middle name. I didn't post this earlier , but I think that Julia should go to the Huckabee thing in SF. You know , Chuck Norris might be there. That alone would be worth the price of admission. Regarding Ted Kennedy , I have never bashed him. I know he hasn't led a perfect life and people made a lot of fun of his personal conduct. Drinking etc...But I look at the fact that he had two brothers who were assassinated. I don't know of many people who have had to deal with something like that.
Posted by: Corey
| January 29, 2008 5:12 PM
He did not win Nevada and in the end the delegate count was split evenly not in Obama's favor as they lied that night.
Tylenol
Yes Western Sonoma Couinty
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 29, 2008 5:14 PM
you get the big debates this week.. going to be scorchers!
Posted by: tylenol
| January 29, 2008 5:15 PM
Margaret Truman Daniel has passed away
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iKWW1kdb33sUo9eeSQETNZmKL6ZQ
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 5:16 PM
A even split. I guess that means no one won. BTW KTC who has more delegates right now, refresh my memory.
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 5:17 PM
And yet he won Nevada, got more delegates right?
uh no, Clinton won the majority of the delegates to the County Convention. No national convention delegates were awarded
Posted by: ran | January 29, 2008 5:18 PM
Interesting how concerned Hillary is to make the voters of Florida are heard and she worked so hard to make sure the vote of casino workers weren't heard.
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 5:19 PM
Corey...You're such a kind person...thinking of Teddy and his borthers, not to mention his disabled sister, the brother who was killed before he could make the family's first run at the presidency, and all the other disasters that have been the thread that runs through the Kennedy lives...nice of you to consider those things....
RR said... "as a member of the adult wing of the independent party.... I say..... SO WHAT!"
Amen, sister! I've read every post on this list since I 'discovered' it last April. Not posting as much lately because it seems pointless to have the same arguments day after endless day....
Posted by: harborwoman | January 29, 2008 5:19 PM
Senator Clinton won Nevada,
How Bushian of you to claim otherwise.
If you count super delegates --Senator Clinton is a head.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 29, 2008 5:20 PM
thanks jamie.. her father said my favourite political quote: "if you want to live like a Republican, you gotta vote Democrat"
Posted by: tylenol
| January 29, 2008 5:20 PM
Claire...my prediction was that Tom Oliphant would be guest #2, right behind Pat Buchanan, but it was 3 weeks before he came on and not since.
Somebody stuck a very large bug in Bernard McGuirk's ear...MORE REPUGGS and assholes like light-bulb-head Jay Severensin.
I expect even more right wingers...also, remember how Limbaugh was made fun of when he was caught with 500 or 5,000 Viagara tabs in The Dominican or Haiti?
Now ALL Imus has to say about Limbaugh is "the greatest mic-man in the business..." I SWEAR to God, it's true.
Posted by: Dexter
| January 29, 2008 5:20 PM
Why doesn't anybody talk about Edwards here? Hillary this....Hillary that....
Posted by: Corey
| January 29, 2008 5:20 PM
tylenol....
are you referring to the upcoming CNN debates?
I have a dilemma on Thursday night..... I'd kinda like to see the Dem debate on that night.... but I really want to watch the new episode of Lost....
I know, I know...... if only I had tivo..... but I don't....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | January 29, 2008 5:22 PM
Supper Delegates are committed, supper delegates. haha.
So another question for the estrogen mafia, according to many of you if a woman endorses Obama she's a traitor to her race. So by that thinking that must make Kendrick Meek a traitor to both his race and gender by endorsing Hillary. Yes?
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 5:24 PM
Corey because it's very unlikely Edwards will win, however he still has a role to place, as I posted earlier.
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 5:24 PM
Corey...
Brian linked an article re: a possible Edwards strategy earlier today.
Last night, I reminded everyone - including Craig, who wrote the book - that Edwards' declaration that the powerful will not willingly cede their power (or their profits) matches the point Craig made in the final Chapter of POL.
He gets talked about, but not as much as the two history-makers..much like in the media....
Posted by: harborwoman | January 29, 2008 5:26 PM
I still believe that part of the reason it is unlikely that Edwards will win is that the media - and their corporate ownership - have made damn sure that his message has been largely kept from the airwaves and, thus, the voting public. But the major reason is that he stands in the shadow of the first viable black candidate and the first viable female candidate. this is simply an amazingly historic presidential race.
Posted by: harborwoman | January 29, 2008 5:30 PM
Disappointing, Dexter. Very disappointing. At least in the old days, Imus was an equal opportunity offender. Looks like all I really need to do is listen to any clips of Craig that Mad Mustard is able to post.
Catch you later folks, as the returns come in! Whoop!
Posted by: Claire
| January 29, 2008 5:32 PM
So...given all the press that Hillary and Obama have been given , was this just a bad time for Edwards to run for President?
Posted by: Corey
| January 29, 2008 5:48 PM
Corey,
MSNBC made sure that Edwards was minimized and now they are trying to play kingmaker with the totally slanted coverage of Clinton including that almost innauguration of Obama yesterday that was only missing the bible and poet to be official.
Edwards could still end up in a very powerful position, because we haven't even had Super Tuesday yet. He is certain to pick up even more delegates and those delegates are going to be fantastic bargaining chips.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 5:55 PM
So , we shouldn't give up on him yet?
Posted by: Corey
| January 29, 2008 5:58 PM
Hillary Could Steal the Nomination Through Michigan and Florida
If both Hillary and Obama are short of the majority necessary, there will be 156 delegates from Michigan and 210 delegates from Florida, most of which will be for Hillary, sitting on the sidelines. The Clintons will fight tooth and nail to get those into the count.
Under that scenario, the Obama camp and their supporters will be able to legitimately charge that yes, they did have the nomination stolen from them. The DNC ruled that those states forfeited their delegates by holding their primary before February 5. Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan. He followed the rules; what he didn't realize was that the Clintons would get the rules changed.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjJkNTM5MDg5MTA2NmFhNDM5MDJiYjQwNzE4YWIzOTY=
Posted by: GORDO | January 29, 2008 6:03 PM
Corey, never give up. There are rumors that if Obama gets the nomination, he may choose Edwards as his Attorney General. And, by the way, Corey, YOU are a breath of fresh air. I hate the sniping on this blog, and you have a way of neutralizing it. Good for you.
Posted by: colleen | January 29, 2008 6:04 PM
Way off Topic but...
just got off the phone with a guy that is claiming to be the head of the IRS. He wanted to send me a check for $2500 that needed to be sent to my checking account. So, which bank do you want it sent to? When I said I don't have a checking account he said ok let me have your Social Security Number so I can identify you. Again I refused and then he sorta started to get hostile and demanded that I tell him my SSN. Finally I said either mail it to the house or forget about it and I hung up. Did I mention that his accent sounded like his last job was a telephone tech line working in for Dell from India? Caller ID said the number was a 701 area code and that is in North Dakota. I would think that the head of the IRS would be located in Washington DC and would not have an Indian accent. Be careful out there.
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: Horsedooty! | January 29, 2008 6:06 PM
Horsedooty: you should have asked for his SSN so you could identify him
Posted by: ran | January 29, 2008 6:08 PM
for those that just gotta have it , early polling info
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | January 29, 2008 6:09 PM
Reminder from several threads ago
Florida Secretary of State Elections Reporting Site
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 6:09 PM
Dooty....
I've had calls like that...... I've always just hung up....
Corey..... let me echo Colleen..... you are indeed a breath of fresh air and a sweetie too.....
no don't count Edwards out..... just do what CBob used to say..... fasten your chinstrap and enjoy the ride......
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | January 29, 2008 6:19 PM
Thanks Renee and Colleen. BTW , I saw a video of Tom Brady's press conference and I thought I heard your voice , Renee. Some woman yelled out "WILL YOU MARRY ME?!" LOL!
Posted by: Corey
| January 29, 2008 6:23 PM
Jamie ,
are you sure that is a reliable site?
Looks a bit iffy to me.
Think I'll just stick with my exit polls.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | January 29, 2008 6:25 PM
Its the Florida Secretary of State Elections page.
Can't get too much more official than that. Craig wasn't sure if the reporting would be simultaneous to what you see on TV, but that is where the numbers come from.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 6:27 PM
Hey Corey,
Let me third that. You are one of the best people here and I look forward to your humor.
Look for Edwards to be doing something important for us in the future. He has turned into quite a statesman. I would not be suprised if he fought for us all the way to the Convention and beyond. His candidacy will lead him somewhere important.
Posted by: Sheila Stone
| January 29, 2008 6:28 PM
"according to many of you if a woman endorses Obama she's a traitor to her race."
Uh, last time I checked being female didn't constitute race, but gender.
However, the one or two women I personally know who support Obama do not spend their time making snotty or sexist comments -- or telling outright lies-- about Hillary.
Latest lie: Hillary is campaigning in Florida! Tomorrow's news should make it clear she won nothing!"
First, I'm not at all sure she'll win Florida. Second. She did NOT campaign in Florida. Barack, however, ran ads in the state and justified it by saying that they were part of a national ad buy.
PS. Brian, Estrogen Mafia is so yesterday. We prefer Mammary Mafia.
Posted by: Patsi | January 29, 2008 6:29 PM
I'm positive Maddow and Buchanon a joining forces as a team this next season. WHy oh why in the world would the two be shown together and Rachel has a a makeover. Its very attractive and striking.
Hope they take Tucker's place..... ;0)
Posted by: Sheila Stone
| January 29, 2008 6:31 PM
political humor
Romney spoof
enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCp4YduT9v4
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | January 29, 2008 6:33 PM
Jamie said
"Its the Florida Secretary of State Elections page"
As I thought , highly unreliable.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | January 29, 2008 6:37 PM
since this thread is about Ghooliana, here's my favorite campaign pic of him.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/Giuliani-In-Drag.htm
Posted by: colleen | January 29, 2008 6:41 PM
oops, I spelled his name wrong GHOOLIANI (ends in i not a)
Posted by: colleen | January 29, 2008 6:43 PM
You mean Julie Annie?
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 6:47 PM
Mike Wallace had a triple bypass today. Hope he gets well soon. Love that guy.
Posted by: dnd | January 29, 2008 6:47 PM
I want a ghoul, just like the ghoul that murdered dear old dad.....o/'
---Peter Lorre
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 6:48 PM
corey.....i copied your music note....lol
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 6:49 PM
For those of you jonesing for numbers
unscientific newspaperexit polls
http://naplesnews.com/news/2008/jan/29/exit-polls-find-out-whos-leading-share-you-opinion/
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | January 29, 2008 6:50 PM
What's Kerry got that Michael Dukakis aint got?
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 6:51 PM
sturg, I love your mind
Posted by: colleen | January 29, 2008 6:51 PM
Colleen......thank god.....I thought I'd lost it.......
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 6:53 PM
Sturg,
You are one sick puppy. ;-)
Posted by: dnd | January 29, 2008 6:54 PM
Sturg,
"What's Kerry got that Michael Dukakis aint got?"
A tour of duty. And some misplaced medals...
Posted by: dnd | January 29, 2008 6:56 PM
Uh oh , Sturg! LOL!
Posted by: Corey
| January 29, 2008 6:58 PM
Poor Rudy, never caught fire. I think he appeared to be humorless and his voice, lisp or whatever it is, just turned people off. He had this great reputation from 9/11 that people were familiar with from a distance, when the camea zoomed in on him and all his "warts" became apparent, he didn't seem presidental. Time to go back to consulting Rudy, Abu Dabi probably has work for you.
Posted by: Bowmanc | January 29, 2008 7:01 PM
I always figured this president thing was a lark with the Rudy.......didnt cost him anything......great for upping speaking fees.....he doesnt give a damn about being president.......
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 7:04 PM
That's some commercial Caroline has done on behalf of Obama. Doesn't seem to be up on youtube yet. That's a shame I'm sure you're all eager to see it in case you haven't
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 7:07 PM
John Conyers on the SOTU
Tonight, President Bush addressed this Congress in his State of the Union for the last time in his presidency. Unfortunately, what we heard was more of the same. While Americans wait with bated breath for relief from an impending recession; relief from the subprime mortgage crisis; relief from skyrocketing healthcare costs; and light at the end of the tunnel in the Iraq War, this President addressed us with the rhetoric of a failed legacy. The past seven years have set this country back by decades. The only hope I found in tonight’s address was in the fact that it was this President’s last and we can now look to the future and elect a president who will work with this Congress to lead America in a new direction.
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 7:09 PM
Craig close your eyes-
Per my husband
As of around 5:30- Romney was leading the trackin polls and McCain was leading in the exit polls.
Have a feeling it might be long night.... on an aside, on the main road by my neighborhood there is an electronic billboard that is going to run the election results.
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 7:10 PM
Do have a question- if Hillary has a ground organization down here in Florida how is that not canpaigning?
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 7:12 PM
I'd love Caroline even if she were endorsing a jelly doughnut........
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 7:14 PM
Having trouble understanding the FISA legislation.
Here is Russ Finegold with a simple explaination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDlYcn5HEs8
It's important call you senator express your opinion.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | January 29, 2008 7:14 PM
oops, campaigning- yes I've opened a bottle of a lovely Cabernet from the Sterling Vinard in Napa.
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 7:14 PM
Good question JennBe.
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 7:15 PM
Be prepared tto have to interpret my typing tonight
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 7:17 PM
o/' A divine melody...glass of wine , burgundy...o/'
Posted by: Corey
| January 29, 2008 7:19 PM
If you use the link posted earlier for the FL DOS you can see what's going on and check by counties to see what is reporting. Don't forget that the panhandle does not close until 8pm EST.
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 7:24 PM
Brian here's the ad
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid353515028/bctid1396506113
Aims to keep him in the box and makes it stronger IMO. That may be enough for the primary but diaster for the General. Obama needs to get back to his "I'm the candidate of everyone" theme.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | January 29, 2008 7:25 PM
First numbers: Hillary 55% Obama 22%
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 7:25 PM
Edwards 18%
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 7:26 PM
BTW the DOS has the results ahead of MSNBC. On the subject of early voting and absentee ballots each county is different and some report them first and some report them last.
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 7:28 PM
JennBe.... yes.... another wine drinker.... KGC and I love old vine zinfandels....
and according to Craig.... both Obama and Clinton have ground organizations in Florida.... and that's cuz they're both smart....
Jack..... thanks for your videos..... ooooohhh..... Bandito Pablito is soooo cute...
Corey.... I used to wear a shirt I bought while vacationing in Fort Myers, FLA with a big shark on it when I watched the Patriots game...... a little birdie told me to retire it if they went undefeated in the regular season...... I went to a sport's store to buy a Tedy Bruschi shirt for the playoffs and they didn't have my size..... I had to settle for a Tom Brady shirt......
of course.... when I related this story to a friend at my local post office..... someone over hearing the conversation took exception to my wording "I had to settle for"..... some people just take stuff toooooooo seriously.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | January 29, 2008 7:32 PM
Jamie
Look on the "Status " link it tells the counties and what type of ballot that have been reported.
These are absentee and early voteing ballots. may some of the Florida folks could give an idea of the locations of the counties.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | January 29, 2008 7:33 PM
Now that Kathleen and the twins aren't in charge, the SOS numbers should be honest ... or as honest as Florida gets.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 7:33 PM
"oops, campaigning- yes I've opened a bottle of a lovely Cabernet from the Sterling Vinard in Napa."
"Be prepared tto have to interpret my typing tonight"
Who cares about the typing! In vino veritas! ;-)
Posted by: dnd | January 29, 2008 7:33 PM
msnbc'' obama campaign branch headquarters' whatever happen to reporting the news instead of trying to shape it according to thier own personal views
Posted by: larry haynes | January 29, 2008 7:34 PM
Both Fox and CNN are reporting GOP and Democratic numbers in Florida, but the Obama campaign, (MSNBC) is only reporting GOP results so far..What a joke MSNBC has become..Let's see if things change as people complain..
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | January 29, 2008 7:36 PM
JennBe,
"Sterling Vinard in Napa."
Be prepared for flak. KGC is a Sonoma girl. I prefer El Dorado county. Renee, well, she'll drink anything... :-)
Posted by: dnd | January 29, 2008 7:36 PM
damn......all's I could find at the corner was Boone's Farm......now I'm depressed again.......
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 7:38 PM
Guess I better drink the Boone's Farm.........
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 7:38 PM
both of them........
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 7:39 PM
I've decided that MSNBC has come to the conclusion that dishonest and hated with great ratings is better than honest and fair with so so ratings.
Now if they will just give up the pretense of being a news station, we can treat it as the pornographic fiction it is
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 7:40 PM
"Guess I better drink the Boone's Farm........"
At least it's not kool-aid
*ducks*
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 7:40 PM
jamie.....they must please their masters........which means money, whatever it takes, eh?
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 7:41 PM
What kind of claim is being made about Senator Obama in his national TV ad? It begins, "after college, he could have accepted a job paying $500,000..."
Yeah, well, I could have taken a job as a CEO paying $25 million a year, or I could have signed on as a movie star pulling down $50 million per picture. Or I could have cultivated a friendship with Dubya, and I'd be pulling in a half-billion a week with some non-bid contract for a service I could offer.
Is there any proof that Senator Obama had a lucrative offer, or are we just to take the announcer's word?
Or are they just trying to make lemonade out of lemons?
Posted by: benjaminblue | January 29, 2008 7:42 PM
I'll have a double Absolut vodka martini, dirty, on the rocks, with 6 large olives, please.
Posted by: colleen | January 29, 2008 7:42 PM
No, no.....last Kool-aid I drank was in vacation bible school.......I didnt last long there......Kool-aid sucks and the Cookie was made out of like.......dogcrap.........
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 7:42 PM
Sturge
share it with Brian and maybe he will share some of his stash. After all he's busy reliving the sixties. What's more sixties then good reefer and a bottle of Boones Farm.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | January 29, 2008 7:43 PM
Sturg,
Paisan! I figured you for a Gallo guy. Or maybe MD 20-20...
Posted by: dnd | January 29, 2008 7:44 PM
Colleen,
Six large olives? Do you want a salad or a drink?
Posted by: dnd | January 29, 2008 7:46 PM
Masters of War......poster of Mickey Goofy and Donald Duck around the Hookah........Kesey painting the bus......Mustang Sally......Aztec Ceremonial weed....Hold on a sec, I gotta dig out my damned Esquire magazines.......
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 7:46 PM
yeah.....mick don and goof were seventies.......now I'm even more depressed.......
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 7:47 PM
Ahhh, the good ole days of boone's farm and tickled pink!!!
Take a look at the Orange county results Obama beat Hillary by 1 vote.
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 7:47 PM
The CNN coverage ... all male has beens except for one lovely, black, and seemingly honest woman that they cut to since she isn't in the room with the Boys Club.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 7:47 PM
ron paul'' the only one who has ever read the constitution
Posted by: larry haynes | January 29, 2008 7:48 PM
The DOS has Romney ahead but still very close.
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 7:48 PM
MD 20 20 only good if you pour half into a glass and fill with beer......then you have a whole nother one......
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 7:48 PM
Jamie what's the racial make up of the men?
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 7:49 PM
goddamn sturg.....
now I have to wipe a good wine off my computer screen!
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | January 29, 2008 7:50 PM
Just checking in briefly folks...hello to everyone.
My only observation right now is that it is extremely scary to be a person named "LardassLiberal" and to simultaneously recognize the fact that Pat Buchanan is the only person on national TV tonight who seems to make sense to me.
Talk about cognitive dissonance. I'm scared. My tummy hurts.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| January 29, 2008 7:51 PM
Three White (one may be Hispanic) and one black
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 7:51 PM
dnd I call the olives dinner
larry haynes, Dennis Kucinich knows the Constitution
Posted by: colleen | January 29, 2008 7:53 PM
LaL
I've felt that way for days. You keep looking for the boys in the White Coats because it is obvious your mental capacities have slipped away.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 7:54 PM
Rudy is down by like 100,000. Time to say bye.
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 7:54 PM
Porfessor Carol Swain is my new hero.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 29, 2008 7:55 PM
Theres been a change. Four guys, one is a Hispanic.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 7:56 PM
obama' to lose 2 to 1'' msnbc says that don't mean anything''' it would be a miraculous victory if it was the other way around
Posted by: larry haynes | January 29, 2008 7:56 PM
John Dean knows the constitution.........
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 7:57 PM
Gotta go put the kids to bed so I'll be back soon.
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 7:58 PM
obama' to lose 2 to 1'' msnbc says that don't mean anything''' it would be a miraculous victory if it was the other way around
they are right...Obama is a big loser
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 29, 2008 7:58 PM
CNN
Wolf Blitzer has taken over with the big screens.
If you want real coverage That's the place to go.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 7:58 PM
your right dennis kucinich '' was ignored too
Posted by: larry haynes | January 29, 2008 7:59 PM
A few minutes ago, Keith O. reported some Demo. figures and described them as just released..although Fox and Cnn have been reporting figures for almost an hour..
If MSNBC were a movie script, nobody would believe it.
Still not showing Democratic count on the crawl at bottom of screen..
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | January 29, 2008 8:00 PM
Clintonetheus Unbound
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:00 PM
Clinton declared winner by CNN
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 8:01 PM
Ted Kennedy -- who, in 1969, had to at least be a second-term senator well over the age of 40...but still exhibiting the judgement of a teenager. Was drunk, and drove a car into the water. A woman died.
Then, later, he screwed up the Democratic Party by his continual skirt-flashing about running for president...but never having the balls to really win the job.
Meanwhile, all his cousins, nephews and other relatives are either raping people, entering re-hab or skiing drunk into trees.
Why are we still listening to this man...and to this family? It's over folks. The Kennedys were a wet dream. Get the hell over it.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| January 29, 2008 8:02 PM
I finally got it.......when people began snapping to Fox awhile back..........the bastards quietly drifted to MSNBC.........musta started about the time they canned Phil Donahue...........I gotta pay more attention........
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:02 PM
Lardass....
maybe we should all change our names to Alice.....
I swear we've all been high jacked into Never Ever Wonderland....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | January 29, 2008 8:02 PM
Even Fox is doing a better job of just presenting the facts.
They said neither campaigned there but it does mean something and she is the winner.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 29, 2008 8:03 PM
Lard......that's a hell of a brush to be tarred with, wot?
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:05 PM
OMG
Could there actually come a time when FOX can truthfully be considered "fair and balanced"
I'm the Red Queen where are those darn flamingos and wickets made of cards.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 8:08 PM
You have such a lovely way with words Lardass. Do you write greeting cards for a living?
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 8:09 PM
Sturg...thing is, I was raised in an Irish-Catholic, hardcore Dem household that revered that family. But once you start doing the math, it only adds up to sad. That's it.
The Old Man (Joe) was a phukkin criminal. The son that was elected president never realized his potential...the son Robert was probably the best and most capable but got blown away before he could show it. And the rest of the story is a sad tale of a bunch of sexually repressed Irish drunkards.
How does that equal "the dream"? I have no idea. You tell me.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| January 29, 2008 8:10 PM
they're out to get everyone confused.......Fox will change to democrat and Msnbc of course is now gop......just like the clarence thomas hearings had strom thurmond attacking a black girl to defend a black guy for the supreme court.......you know? it's all wacky-nutzo......
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:11 PM
No Brian. I don't write greeting cards. I'm just more articulate than you will ever dream of being. So there.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| January 29, 2008 8:11 PM
Fox is even using an attractive picture of Hillary
When is that satellite supposed to hit?
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 8:12 PM
Okay, I've got JM and MR numbers that show virtually a tie, how is the press getting different numbers?
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 8:13 PM
Note to Keith Olberman: check out some smothers brothers, dude.......
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:15 PM
Before the jokes start remember it is south florida that is so f'd up not the rest of the state. Those south Florida residents did not grow up here. Just something to think about.
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 8:16 PM
By the way, Brian...I love you anyway. You are the damn pulse of this place, dude.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| January 29, 2008 8:17 PM
Norah O'Donnel MSNBC is doing all she can to minimize Hillary victory due to early voting..If she would do her job,she would see that the results are matching the most recent polling.
It irritates me when I know more than MSNBC flacks who do this for a living.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | January 29, 2008 8:17 PM
Where'd they grow up ?
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:18 PM
aHA! NBC owns Rupert Murdoch.
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:19 PM
Sorry Stur, meant to say they moved here from the North East.
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 8:21 PM
Oregon - I agree - Norah really focused on minimzing HRC victory. And Russert jumped on the bandwagon - I think misinterpreting the results.
Posted by: labber
| January 29, 2008 8:21 PM
some of them stopped off in charleston........
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:22 PM
bunch of yankey's
Posted by: larry haynes | January 29, 2008 8:22 PM
yankeys......you mean those guys who order lots and lots of expensive cabinets?
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:24 PM
I'm sure Labber can attest but we don't have problems voting in Tallahassee.
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 8:25 PM
Victory? what victory? Victories come with delegates. The Florida Democratic primary is to politics what masturbation is to sexual intercourse.
Posted by: Brian In NYC
| January 29, 2008 8:25 PM
me and my friends are starting a fund to commission a statue in honor of those nice people seeking warmer climes who like to pay people what they're worth.......
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:26 PM
Hey Brian...are you now going on the record as being against masturbation? Next thing you know, you'll be voting for Huckabee!
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| January 29, 2008 8:27 PM
no delegates have been assigned in Iowa or Nevada for that matter...right now the status the same. There is a way to award them but none have been awarded
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 29, 2008 8:28 PM
JennBe - You are so right. Tallahassee can teach everyone how to vote -- and how to COUNT -- if they would just let us.
Posted by: labber
| January 29, 2008 8:28 PM
Of course , Brian , when you vote you are alone in that booth ya know.
Posted by: Corey
| January 29, 2008 8:29 PM
Lard....I beg to disagree about Teddy. Baggage, yes. Working for liberal causes, YES.
HOWEVER....I said it many threads ago and I say it again: just GIVE Obama the nomination. GIVE it to him. Hillary cannot win against her negatives, the conservatives, right wing talk radio, asshole old fat so-called liberals like Ed Shultz and NBC. Let alone the half-assed attack by CNN.
GIVE it to him.
Posted by: Patsi | January 29, 2008 8:30 PM
Ask and it shall be given. Satellite may hit U.S. AP 46 minutes ago.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEAD_SATELLITE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-01-29-19-42-50
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 8:31 PM
In terms of Florida it is on the web site of the Florida Democratic Party and there is a statement from Dr.Dean the delegates will be seated --they just get last pick of the hotel rooms
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 29, 2008 8:31 PM
Hey Patsi. You're probably right. I'm just blowing out excess methane in my opinions. In fact, my carbon footprint from just this blog probably equals that of a small third-world country.
I'll definitely back whomever gets nominated...unless its Chris Matthews.
Love you guys.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| January 29, 2008 8:33 PM
As the saying goes, "No good deed goes unpunished." And so goes Rudy.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| January 29, 2008 8:33 PM
Reminds me of my mother inlaw, she was a solid Republican who lived down the street from Harry Truman. She always said she didn't want to die before the election because she would vote democrat. I guess the joke is on her because she passed on 3 months ago.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack | January 29, 2008 8:35 PM
"Let alone the half-assed attack by CNN."
And the full out barrage of anti Hillary coverage by MSNBC plus 12 hour a day Obama commercial.
He has been crowned, annointed, and is well on the way to canonization ... elections are cancelled in perpetuity for a life time reign.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 8:36 PM
Give it to him.."
Patsi
actually that's a funny idea, then she could run againt him after his first term....
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 29, 2008 8:36 PM
What a news day for Truman's daughter to die.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 8:37 PM
Whiskey..you're kidding? I grew up in Harry Truman's home town. In fact, my mom grew up in the house he actually had lived in when he was, like, a teenager. We need to talk.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| January 29, 2008 8:37 PM
Jamie...did Margaret Truman die today? I hadn't heard.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| January 29, 2008 8:39 PM
sheesh will u hilliary cry-babies give it a break, come on folks take a deep breath,,,breathed--inhale now exhale, u will feel a lot better
hilliary is about to speak and i dont know why im getting sleepy....
Posted by: John R, | January 29, 2008 8:40 PM
Voted best pix on the internet.
http://www.whatatop.com/
htttp://english.whatatop.com/pics.php?idserie=77
Scroll down on the left for Categories.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| January 29, 2008 8:41 PM
is that the best billiary could do 20 point win in florida, thats not impressive at all
Posted by: John R, | January 29, 2008 8:41 PM
Yes. See my 5:16 post for the link.
Posted by: jamie | January 29, 2008 8:42 PM
johnR......two woids...........Dunce.
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:42 PM
Hillary aint campaigning.......she's, uh.......celebrating?
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:46 PM
be nice sturg ;) and can u wake me up after momma quits talking
Posted by: John R, | January 29, 2008 8:46 PM
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz creeps me out as much as Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 8:46 PM
so she dont talk so good.......like bush......hell, they can't all be bill clintons.......lol
Posted by: sturgeone | January 29, 2008 8:47 PM
JohnR...I know it's tough living with halitosis. But it shouldn't be a death sentence. There are several resources available to you. Get help, buddy.
Posted by: LardassLiberal
| January 29, 2008 8:47 PM
MSNBC..filling 2/3 of screen with GOP graphic while
Hillary speaks..What a disgrace..
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | January 29, 2008 8:47 PM
Time for a smoke break....
Posted by: JennBe
| January 29, 2008 8:47 PM
For Hillary? For love? Lost Love?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hAJKC2P8zE
Posted by: Corey