Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

They oughta hold the convention in Key West...

Let's see if all the newbies manage to catch up.

Hey! Where's your Woo Hoo!?

Craig,

Will you be on at all tomorrow?

Jamie...

Did you see my question? Will I be able to participate in the caucus as an independent, or does one have to be registered Dem or Rep to participate?

Sheila Stands up and claps!

Jamie - Can keep up.

Need to read Caroline Kennedy's endorsment-powerful
"A President Like My Father"!

Shelia,
For you: Woo Hoo! With a Florida accent.

Vassar Clements w/ Del McCoury

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5voqaCXPt_M

caught up

sure, Jamie, i'm more or less always on or lurking

HW

You must register Democratic. Not sure about the time sequence. Once in the room you can vote "undeclared".

Once everybody divides up: Edwards, Clinton, Obama, and undeclared they are counted.

Anyone who does not reach the 15% threshhold can change their selection. If undeclared is above 15% once the second chance shuffle takes place, they can be reported out that way to the county level and the next tier.

Here are the rules and info: http://www.wa-democrats.org/

Claps with tears in my eyes!!!! WOW~!

Craig,

I meant MSNBC or are they going to their usual weekend coverage of drugs, death, and dissipation?

I am trying very hard to like him. I used to like him a great deal and I have been so put off by the falsity of the press and propaganda that he is starting to look like a very pretty empty suit.

oh, that. booked for state of union with david shuster monday night. only thing i know about right now, don't always get much advance notice

Earlier I posted the following about Craig's MoJo performance.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CwyrGwM4a7M

But more appropriate would be:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dbKQklwNScA

Craig, stay off them cancer sticks!

How is the ankle doing. News about parents. Any good gossip? :-)

Stands up and claps!

dnd

Bad sentiments. Great song. Of course that was back before cigarette company poured tons of chemicals in them to keep the tobacco fresh and fast burning.

Obama is such a great motivator. GREAT speech. When I listen to him I am a believer. But I just worry about whether he can stand up to the republican machine.

I still say Dems win either way.. both of 'em can get Dems off their butts to cheer, and to vote.. No matter who the nominee is.. it's SO important that dems take back the whitehouse..

Labber,

I like to think that its not just HE, But WE will stand up to the republican machine, no matter who gets it and I really believe if he gets it, HE will do just fine.

I have to second dnd's sentiment about the cancer sticks. I have to sell cigarettes at my business... I hate it, but it's something I have to do. I was the only member of my family who didn't smoke and it wasn't easy growing up green. Craig, stay off them !!! You'll feel better and your lungs will thank you !!!

Oh and I finally for the first time heard Craig speak. Totally different than what I expected! Where are you from Craig?

Yea TY,

WE will unify and run right over the Republicans. The candidate will just ride the wave. I'm sure of it.

Well,

I thought when I saw Ted Kennedy's 1980 Convention speech was one of the best I had ever seen....

Then I thought Jesse Jackson's 1988 Convention speech was one of the best I had ever seen....

Then I thought Bill Clinton's Inagural address was one of the best I had ever seen...

Well, I can now add Barak Obama's SC victory speech to the list....

That was just about the most well-delivered and strategically astute speeches I've ever seen....

Oh Youe welcome TY. I'm glad it worked for you.

Go John!!!

one more week in the ankle cast, jamie, doin fine. parents well, we're watchin all the speeches tonight. mom is worried about elizabeth edwards -- anyone see her lately? don't see her there tonight?

Obama gets to the heart of the matter, for sure...

Sheila and Tylenol - you are both right. We are lucky to have good choices in the primary. I just want to make sure that we don't have a candidate this year like Kerry who sits back while being swift-boated. I know the Clintons wouldn't put up with that kind of ... stuff. Sometimes when I hear Obama talk about unifying everybody (includinig republicans), I think he is not being realistic about their take no prisoners approach to campaigning. If he (or MSM) think the Clinton's have been mean this week, they ain't seen nothin yet - wait until Rush and the other nut jobs let loose the full force of their right wing conspiracy.

Is the South Carolina result a big surprise? I don't think blacks voting for Obama in large numbers is unexpected. We will have to see what happens in Florida, but I think Hillary still has momentum as well as Obama. I am starting to believe in Craig's shotgun marriage theory.

I talked to my friend in Olympia and I asked him point blank why he doesn't like Hillary and he said he has never liked the Clintons... they sold out labor, gays, et al and then he said they are Republicans in Democratic clothing. He further clarified that the Clintons are what the Republicans used to be before they were co-opted by the religious/fundamentalist right. He suggested that the real Dems are people like Howard Dean and John Edwards.

Re: computer viruses

Tylenol, be smart, dump the PC and get an iMac. The viruses you just mentioned are pretty much non-existent.

I love my iMac 24"

A friend and I were musing once about Norton Anti-virus. We decided that the company had two major offices. One which was for creating viruses, and one which was for eliminating them. It's a joke, but it struck me as incredibly possible !! LOL...

"Where are you from Craig?" -- Posted by: Thomas Freeman

Thomas, i was born in Kentucky, raised in Florida

Well Labber Girl,

Its still early. We still don't know who the nominee is. When that happens, we'll be afraid for whoever it is no matter what.

There is an issue that isn't being addressed... CRIME... I know it is usually a Republican issue, but I think it's an issue for all of us. I am so tired of people making excuses for violent crimes, assaults, murders, robberies, carjackings, what have you. I don't believe in prison vacations for prisoners, nor do I believe in early releases. Since living in Europe I take a harder view of these nasty acts. In Belgium, no matter what the sentence, if you stay low key you only have to serve 1/3 of your sentence.

My Motto: "you do the crime, you do the time". 20 years MEANS 20 years. etc...

Craig,
"mom is worried about elizabeth edwards -- anyone see her lately?"

Seems to me that your mom has more insight than the paparazzi chattering class.

Whoever the Dem candidate is I will vote for. Anyone, including Obama, would be ten times as good as any of the Republicans.

No graceful concession?

Well I am still for Hillary and if she doesn't win, she doesn't win. I still think she will. Personally I think she should choose Bill RIchardson as a running mate.

gonna take more skill than giving a great speech to straighten this country out....sadly speaking....I am worried about the racism rearing its ugly head now

I am sure sh will.....there it is! The press were wrong.

Although she's getting on with it. ;0)

I think trying to equate the FL unofficial primary to an official State primary is being disingenuous, as is referring to the rules disputes a spat. If there is no organization or formal rules in our nomination process then what are we left with.

Thomas .. I bought an imac in 2004.. and it had 'power issues'..kinda like HRC.. then Apple decided to add Intel.. now i'm waiting to see what new generation is like.. there's nothing i hate more than being obsolete 2 minutes after i buy a computer..

i dont see this election as having much effect on 'Florida but will be interesting....

Jamie...

Thanks for that link. I'm surprised, but I WILL be able to participate in the caucus, even though I'm not a registered Dem. Because WA doesn't require voters to register according to party affiliation, it isn't required in order to caucus.

what was the turnout tonight? anyone know? was it as high as they'd predicted? SC doesnt have a chance of going to dems in November does it??

not really, it is pretty red

that's what i thought..

TY,

It was huge, but I'm not sure about doing to the DEMS. Its a huge Red stronghold too.

like it or not the democratic supporters of both Obama and Hillary will need to come together in order to defeat the reds

wow, had to go to cspan to find HRC speech. only place it's being carried. too funny

Tylenol, this is my second iMac... The first one was a G5 and it was also good, but this one is miles above it. The only problem I see so far is that the Leopard is not compatible with Photoshop.

Rez -- but Florida is a vote, and a win there would probably give her a bounce even if it doesn't mean any actual delegates. She will be able to argue - I can win in a big diverse state like Florida. I think at this point, after getting trounced in South Carolina, its the best strategy available to her. Whether its "fair" or not is another question, but being a Floridian, I don't think its fair that our votes don't count.

Sorry but i'm for the big "O",
Next thing we'll have is another FL court episode, further diving our party; thanks again Billary.

many many times in our history the candidates got together that hated each other but did it to win the white house like JFK and LBJ

I had a G5 too, thomas... I found out later that 2004 models had a 'bug'.. and sure enough, MY model was not one of the ones with extended warranty.. i'm rather pissed off with Steve Jobs at the moment..

where does everyone get that they hate each other? that was a machination by Tweety..

Rez, Oprah isn't running.

hell hillary has even co sponsered a bill with one of the senators that impeached her hubby so I know she can but dont really know Obama that well

i'm thinking it'll all come down to turnout in November.. if Reps arent motived (and Lord knows why they would be!) and dem turnout is huge.. ya never know!

HW

Right. Forgot that you don't have to declare a party in WA, you just have to be where you want to be.

"All registered voters and those who will be 18 at the time of the presidential election can vote at their caucus. You can register to vote at the caucus location and vote in the caucus. Others who are not registered can participate but can not vote. "

He is now Bri.. depends on national polls etc.. ya know how 'they' like to interpret everything..

well right now hillary is 20% ahead in florida average I guess...

I sure havent seen Elizabeth lately...Hope she is ok

Saw her just last week and she looked vigorous. I bet she is just taking care of the kids. Afterall, its a school year and this should be the first year for Jack, right?

Ok I have a strange question. Was Barak Obama's first name once Barry? If so, why did he change it?

No, Thomas.. Barak has always been Barak..

so what do ya think Crist's endorsement will do?

Hey gang-

Check out the Democratic turnout in SC Vs. the GOP turnout. It is totally amazing.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#SC

SOUTH CAROLINA! Man, I nevere would have believed the difference in turnout between the two party primaries.

Looks like the GOP thinks their candidates SUCK!

-Hipster

His fainly used Barry because when he was young, most American kids didn't get his name and acted as though he was an outsider. You know kids.

guess RealClear will be a good site for delegate watch:

Democrats
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

Republicans
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/republican_delegate_count.html

Thanks...

My point exactly, Hipster.. could be some blue states suddenly bubbling up..

I live next door to Oconee County and you would hard pressed to fins many African-Americans there. Obama carried 24-25% of the vote, and its the birth county of JE. Thats real turn out for him.

500,000 voters in the Democratic primary and about 300,000 in the state that left the Union to start the Civil War.

The doubters can go join the lonbe voice on MSNBC: Pat Buchanan.

Bill Clinton's Jesse Jackson comparison today was,....uh...well, what can I say? Remarkable.

-Hipster

High school yearbook photo of Barry Obama...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/18/181128/082

Tylenol, I'm obviously glad my guy won tonight but thats just a hell of a turn out down here. I'm telling you. Good numbers for all three candidates.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#SC

-Hipster

"Looks like the GOP thinks their candidates SUCK! "

Hipster,
They do.

He was sometimes known as "Barry" in school. Here is a photo of both "Barry" Obama supposedly from the yearbook. There is a drug reference in there that as far as I know is real but could be a photo shop to put it with the High School picture.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/18/181128/082

"Barry" is also mentioned in the school portion of his Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

CC:"wow, had to go to cspan to find HRC speech. only place it's being carried. too funny"

They had Bill's speech in IN on all channels, and blew HRC off.
Seems to be a recurring prob. LOL

that makes sense.. people called me 'barbie' until i threatened to beat them up..

If I had a dollar for everytime Scorborough said the name Bill Clinton---I could retire!

Is there a tribal or cultural meaning to the name "Barak"?

oops, I googled it and found the answer:

The boy's name Barak \b(a)-rak\ is pronounced ba-RAHK, BARE-ek. It is of Hebrew origin, and its meaning is "flash of lightning". Biblical: a valiant fighting man who cooperated with the prophetess Deborah to win victory in a battle against overwhelming odds. See also Barric.

Barak has 1 variant form: Barrak.

Baby names that sound like Barak are Barek and Borak.

Barak is a very rare male first name and a popular surname (source: 1990 U.S. Census). Displayed below is the baby name popularity trend for the boy's name Barak. Click here to compare Barak with related baby names.

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Barak

you could retire tomorrow if you added "with a sneer" chickadee

Craig...typo...3rd paragraph, 3rd line...'here husband"

I understand the donkeys formed a picket line and protested when I called Scarborough an ass, and the snakes sent a representative to warn, "don't you dare look at us".

heard from the worns and weasles yet, jamie?

well if Baraak doesnt win after all the media shilling for him and promoting this Clinton hatred, then noone can....

Thomas...

Would it make a difference to meaning that his name is actually spelled Barack? Not being snippy...this is genuine curiosity.

thanks harborwoman, typo fixed

well since I am a Clinton supporter this means, I am also older than the average bear so I will bid you all a fond adieu and catch ya all later....Enjoy the site Craig, and I will return I am sure....

which reminds me, i never did see Obama's speech Nevada caucus night and saw no coverage. Did he? If so, I missed it.

Weasels are claiming to be higher life forms and the worms have gone fishing.

I'm going to try to give some trail spotter reports on all the candidates from both parties this week in Georgia. I voted for the big O last week.

-Hipster

oops sorry... yes it does name a difference

http://www.babynames.com/name/BARACK

The meaning of the name Barack is Blessed
The origin of the name Barack is African
Info on this name: Form of the Hebrew name Baruch.

no Craig he never made a phone call and Hillary and he never made a speech of concession and he announced he had more delegates than Hillary and that he had won anyway

athyrio, thanks for playing -- and same to all the new visitors today

oh i see, athyrio, how gracious of him

Thanks, Thomas! Either way, he has a name with an auspicious meaning, doesn't he?

lol I agree Craig, guess he isnt big on concessions and congratulations to his competition

sounds a bit like the clintons dismiissing SC tonight

Hipster it was Rove who said Obama needed to go on the attack against Hillary. It seems to me that Obama is playing by the Roveian model of attack... or had been in the beginning until the Clintons fought back.

Craig,

He spoke barely acknowledging the popular vote without making a concession because of the delegate count. It was really pretty condescending and rude.

Here's some basic info from a WaPo column

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/01/clinton_won_or_did_she.html

Craig why does sthe media hate the Clintons so much I dont understand it

Craig

Didnt see it either. We were out in the snow here buying firewood. That was really the sparkl for all the Bill Clinton stuff when he said people were following him around changing people's work schedules....but I didnt see the speech.

-Hip

harborwoman, yes... the name is good, very good.

craig...what am I, chopped liver??

I don't think the clintons dismissed SC

Craig...You can go back in and edit your posts, can't you?

Pat Buchanan is reading Obama's speech as "very angry" and as "rough as a cob." Sounds like the next MSM spin will be to characterize Obama as rough and angry.

Like the charges against Clinton, I just don't see it.

Obama the Rove candidate? Well Thomas that might be the most ridiculous thing I have heard tonight. You are having a tough night I am sure. You are also as entitled to your opinion.

One thing about the Clinton folks....The spinning never stops.

-Hip

craig.. who is congressional quarterly's readership? was it ever in print or is this an internets invention?

she did give a gracious speech and congratulate him....what did you hear....then CNN cut away from the speech in the middle of it

my head is exploding folks so good night to all ......

it's ok pogo.. i l l t y p e s l o w l y

Hipster:

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is getting advice from an unlikely source: former top Bush aide Karl Rove.

The man behind Bush's two presidential victories took to the pages of the Financial Times Sunday to offer the candidate some unsolicited suggestions on how to beat rival Hillary Clinton.

In an open memo to Obama, Rove said the Illinois senator currently appears "weak and ineffectual," and should start sharpening his attacks on the New York Democrat.

"Stop acting like a vitamin-deficient Adlai Stevenson," Rove writes in reference to another Illinois Democrat who twice ran for president and lost. "Striking a pose of being high-minded and too pure will not work. Americans want to see you scrapping and fighting for the job, not in a mean or ugly way but in a forceful and straightforward way."

Rove also suggests Obama exploit the "real doubts" many Democrats feel about Clinton, take clear stances on the issues, and better articulate the type of change he is hoping to represent.

Finally, Rove says Obama needs to decry what he calls Clinton's complaints that she is "being picked on."

"Find a way to gently belittle her whenever she tries to use disagreements among Democrats as an excuse to complain about being picked on," Rove writes. "The toughest candidate in the field should not be able to complain when others disagree with her. This is not a coronation."

"Blow the whistle on her when she tries to become a victim," he continues. "Do it with humor and a smile and it will sting even more."

Rove's memo comes the same day a new poll out of crucial early-voting state Iowa shows Obama seems to have taken a lead over Clinton, 28 percent to 25 percent. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards is a close third at 23 percent. With the poll's 4.4 percent margin of error, the race in the Hawkeye State is a statistical dead heat.

Responding to the memo, a Clinton campaign spokesperson said, "Why is Karl Rove giving Sen. Obama advice on how to win? Could it be that he thinks it will be easier for Republicans to run against the unknown gentleman from Illinois?"

From Cnn.com... that is what I was referring to. And I didn't say that Obama was Rove's candidate, I said he wrote a strategy, an open letter, on how to take on Hillary.

"It seems to me that Obama is playing by the Roveian model of attack.."

No, the Rovian model of attack would be bringing up Jesse Jackson's name out of the blue (Why Jesse? Hmmm...I can take a guess) hours before you are going to get your clock cleaned in the primary. Don't kid yourself. Bill Clinton knew exactly what he was saying when he did that this afternoon.

I guess that doesnt count though when you are busy spinning.

What would help Senator Clinton now is to refocus and stop spinning. Then maybe her vote totals wouldnt get er uh DOUBLED by her opponent.

-Hip

Yes, Thomas, I was well aware of Karl Rove's speech and I dont need you to explain it to me. You might find a little better reception if you would just stop frickin spinning every thing.

Its like reading what Joe Trippi would write on a board.
-Hip

CNN is rerunning the Clinton speech.

Yes but if I were to go to the jugular at Obama the way he does over Hillary, "racism" charges would fly all around the goddamn place.

Hip F'off. I am not a political professional and I am not a spinner. I am suggesting that after that god'dm memo came out in press, Obama in fact, did start a sustained attack on Hillary.

'Nuff said... and you don't know me so ... oh I guess I already said that.

You may be right about that, Thomas. One of the hazards of the world we live in today. I wish I thought we'd all live to see the end of racism, or even the freedom to have a REAL conversation about it.

I know many on this list don't care for Imus, but I do see him trying to continue the conversation in some very positive ways. Certainly, he's doing more to continue it than anyone in the MSM.

What do you mean "F'off"?

-Hip

hey Craig, i was wondering what happen to ya, i can see u here working overtime spinning for the clintons....good try, little ms missy got a beat down tonight, someone should have called the police because it was a beat down! florida is not in play at all and it will make no difference on feb 5 whichever way it goes for or against obama. but i do know this u are on the losing side, hilliary missed her moment in 2004 a election she would have won, but now its obama moment. if u act right and change to obama quickly i will put in a good word for u for a potential job in a obama administration. i got a lot of friends... ;)

Thomas-

Is there some kind of policy about people being told to "F'off?"

I've tied in to it with a lot of people here, but thats not cool.

How long have I been C-listing? 2 years?

"F'off?"

Thats sick man.

-Hip

Yes, Harbor, can edit posts

TYLENOL asks, "who is congressional quarterly's readership? was it ever in print or is this an internets invention?" -- mostly DC audience for print, tylenol. they're reaching wider with internet products such as cqpolitics.com

Damn TF, what time is it in Belgium? Must be morning, no?

Ty - :-).

Anti-woman?

You got the wrong guy.

Whats the policy on personal things like that? Is there one?

I'd say if you are leaving then good riddance. There's a lot better discourse from Clinton supporters than "F'off" I am sure.

-Hipster

Yes Pogo it is 5 am... I am just reading Hipster rant.

John R, you are welcome to post here, but don't bother addressing me because i don't read them. Might save some space.

Oh and Hip, when I said I am so out of here, I meant for this session. Next time stop accusing me of "spin" - I say what I mean and mean what I say.

Craig - glad to hear you'll be back on two feet soon. Caught you on MoJo this morning - great spot, and good job holding your ground against Jose and the Spinners.

Good night Thomas

Have a nice weekend.

rofl craig, i love addressing u ;)

I know this sounds like a dumb question but.. craig.. it prints 4 times a year?

Hipster,

Thomas is a very nice man. He came in a few days ago with an extensive discussion on the Health care system in Belgium where he lives. He's from Washington and is now an exPat there.

Afraid you got caught in the crossfire as he has been under attack all evening and he made the unfortunate assumption you were comeing from the same direction.

it'll be good to walk again, pogo, thanks. altho gonna be interesting to see if i can walk very well

Rude because I stood up to your mischaracterization of me?

That's rich.

I guess if people disagree with you, or call you on something you said it makes them the rudest person ever? Or is it not "very good at discussion?" Anyway, this back and forth has gone on long enough so for the sake of peace I will concede to your superior wisdom and back down.

Hipster, why are you gunning for Thomas?

what exactly was the jackson remark? and please dont post a link.. my sound card went kaput the other day.. is there a quote somewhere?

you gonna need pt, craig?

Thank you Jamie... I am just who I am. And I am tired and I am the sort of person who is sincere in what s/he believes and I just didn't get the "spin" comment at all. That's it... it felt like a dismissive little swat and it got my dander up.

probably, nannymm

stand your ground thomas. I'm interested in what you have to say and so are most of the others it seems.

ha, tylenol, no -- Congressional Quarterly was founded in 1940s and times are very different now. they publish lots of stuff at all times of day or night -- info at cq.com

I hate it now that they can project a winner 30 seconds after the polls close..takes all the fun out of elections..

well than, craig, i'll think of you every mon wed and fri when i'm working my butt off at pt. it's hell but it helps.

If you need some "dander" removal, let me know. I can probably find a soothing You Tube clip or something.

thanks craig.. i was looking at the site earlier.. just wasnt sure if there was actually a print version..

tylenol, do you usually give the sermon at your church?
or are you still "in training?"

I dont know if I ever said.. but they added a part to the election act here..about broadcasting.. on the night of elections.. the television coverage cannot start until polls close in each time zone.. was a problem in the 80s when tv coverage would start 3 hours before the polls closed in Vancouver, say, and it had already been projected.. ppl just didnt go out to vote..

Patsi

If you get time go back and read the exchange. I'm not gunning for anyone. I certainly didnt tell anyone to "Fuck off."

Thats just not appropriate here. Its the kind of thing I see at places like dailykos or that awful freerepublic. If I offended you or Jamie or you felt offended, then i apologize to the two of you.

-Hipster

I give a sermon about once a month, nanny... i am still in training, too..this is a very long process

anyhoo-

How many states are up Feb 5th is it 22?

sorry for temporarily hijacking the thread.

I am wondering what the GOP side will look like??

maybe i'll come up and hear ya preach some sunday. it's not that far for me.

Okay, Hipster....I reread the thread and you baited him as well...don't be surprised when people don't turn the other cheek. Look how much good that did John Kerry... Personally, I preferred Teresa Heinz Kerry's "Shove it!" :)

that would be nice.. you should come up for one of our contemporary services.. i'm in the band.. haha

there are 22 states that date, including my state of ny

thing is, tylenol, there is no one print version. several publications. most described, i think, at http://www.cq.com/corp/show.do?page=about_mission

what i like about the place is that we are wholly owned by a non-profit journalism school, the Poynter Institute, so we are free and clear of Wall Street and such scary things

uh oh....if my grandson hears that he'll want to bring his guitar.

ok I wasn't going to write anything else today, but the comment was F'off and it was because I felt your comment to me was a personal attack. If I misunderstood or misconstrued then I apologize. I simply wish you wouldn't mischaracterize me.

Thank you, and really (and this is not a dig) if I am the rudest person you ever met, you must be living with some seriously SUPER nice people. I'm temperamental and perhaps sometimes a bit rude (usually not my intent), but I think I am a rather nice person. Geez, now I really do sound like Mrs. Clinton. And usually, if I do get into a "fight" I try to resolve it. now REALLY, I am going to sleep.

Goodnight all.

http://www.st-georges.org/

Gotcha Patsi.....I take 50% of the blame. Moving on now...

Im thinking Rudi will be out after Feb 5th. Or maybe he will adopt a new strategy of coming in behind Ron Paul in even more states.

-HIP

aww let him bring it!! it's a great service :)

so you aren't MSM, Craig. guess that's why we all like ya. LOL

I'm not sure Rudy has enough money to go to Feb 5..

ha, nannymm, i'm not sure i understand what MSM is, but don't think i ARE one, no

tylenol...he'll love ya for that!!
hipster, i think rudy may drop out before the 5th. if he doesn't he'll be humiliated here in ny. i've heard it said that it could seriously decrease his speaking fees if he loses here.

Forget about it Thomas and welcome aboard.

Gang I gotta get out of here, The wife just came in.

Big night for the whole Democratic party with that turnout.

-Hipster
Peace to Thomas and Frydaddy where ever you are.

ha, nannymm, i'm not sure i understand what MSM is, but don't think i ARE one, no

isn't MSM kinda like porn. hard to define but ya sure know it when ya see it.

just thought about it and wanted to drop off my opinion....for what its worth......

In my opinion, we are all being played like a big fiddle, by the conservatives....Almost Rovian...I havent heard a kind word on the cable channels about Hillary in weeks and so they have all the dems fighting each other about it Obama -vs- Hillary....all over the internet...very disturbing...they view Hillary as the one to oust out of the race as Obama will be the easiest to defeat....After all he made a side deal with a Syrian immigrant that they will call an Arab....I can hear their nasty ads now rolling thru their mouths.....and we will end up in the fall with a defeated democrat and a sad state of affairs...I am quite depressed about it and dont know how to stop it....Unless Hillary and Obama team up maybe...I dont know.....

you could never be mainstream, craig :)

Nice idea that it's NPO... our city's major newspaper was sold to conglomerate about 10 years ago, and editorial stance changed completely... i write nasty letters all the time.. they print them sometimes.. :)

LOL bri

that definition makes more sense than any, nannymm

well i am oughta here, fun day and more to come. lots of GOP doings in these parts tomorrow. these politiicans are making me tired, liked it better when they were just on the TV in other states.

Evening, All!

Hope everyone had fun tonight watching the returns. Craig, I thought Keith said at the intro of MSNBC's coverage that you'd be on tonight?

BTW...you all though the Trailspotting from NH was over? Not so fast! At work yesterday, we got a robo-call from Edwards' campaign. A lovely lady with a South Carolina accent talked about how Hillary had left the state of South Carolina, and doesn't care about South Carolina. Therefore, we should vote for John Edwards, because he cares about the people of South Carolina. I don't know how many non-South Carolina phone numbers were robo-dialled by the Edwards campaign, but they could probably save a little cash if they kept the SC-related robo-calls local.

-Claire in NH

I dont think yer a women hater bri.. I just dont understand how you (and everyone else for that matter) can advocate so hard for a candidate that it makes it almost impossible to support the eventual winner, whoever it is... a lot of ppl have a very short view of this..

ha, Claire, nice catch. i didn't feel like workin tonight after an early morn, so had taken a pass. but guess they thought i was coming, dunno. will be interested to find out what happened there myself

Evening Posse...

Well, SC Democratic primary was a snoozer, so let's see what's in the future...Since the Clinton campaign pulled one of the greatest political Hudini's in recent memory (you see the delegates...now you don't...oh look, there they are again!), Florida is back in play...Therefore, I'll be adding the Democratic FL futures market onto the Intrade Presidential Futures market graphs starting tomorrow.

The latest Intrade Presidential Futures Market data:

http://www.central.edu/publicdocs/01%2D26%2D08FuturesMarketGraphs.pdf

REPUBLICANS: Both at the national level and in FL, McCain took a sharp upward turn today. Also, Romney took downward turns at the national and in FL today.

Nationally, McCain has had a steady, upward trend since the first week in December. In Florida, his strength actually peaked on January 5th, but after trending downward continuously since January 18th, McCain gathered enough support today to bypass Romney today for the first time since January 23rd.

DEMOCRATS: Nothing really new today...Clinton maintains her national lead at about the same level over Obama since January 20th. As expected, Obama won big over Clinton in SC, with Edwards coming dangerously close to not getting enough votes to claim delegates.

Because it had been assumed for sometime that the Democratic primary would not be contested in FL, the market has been trading overwhelming for a Clinton win.

With her campaign putting the state back in play, we should know in about 36 hours to what extent the market thinks Obama can successfully challenge her in such a short amount of time.

For those who are not familar with political futures markets, I have written a quick tutorial at:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/01/florida-to-forecast-both-party-1.html#comment-16896

g'night craig

nite craig.. a job well done today

Craig, it was a recorded intro, with film of everyone who was supposed to be part of the coverage (all the usual MSNBC suspects, plus Claire McCaskill and Loretta Sanchez...). So, they may have forgotten that they included you in the recorded intro when they got word from you that you were taking the night off.

Glad to hear you'll be out of the cast soon!!!

it's like the end of the Waltons when we do this. nite all

Night Craig-boy

Night Spike. Night Claire, Night Tylenol, Night Craig, Night Nanny

g'night jamie and everyone else. sweet dreams.

'Night, Jamie....

:-) We should pick Walton roles for ourselves or others. Being the youngest in my large family, I'll be Elizabeth. Craig is definitely John-Boy...journalist and author.

Good night, all.

Oh, geez...Just opened my latest email from Media Matters...first item is about Craig's morning dust-up with MJ....

damn, I thought the boss would NEVER leave ! Now turn up the music in here and cut those harsh flourescent lights!

Really, I have been reading all of today's posts and as I get caught up, the shop closes. That's OK...I am kinda the night watchman here, frequently the last one on until the 4:30 AM crowd comes in.
I did go watch C-Span and saw the end of HRC's speech in TN and the repeat of B.O.'s victory speech. He's happy...the pundits think Edwards is very unhappy , but he says he's very glad with the SC results...said he was steadily climbing all week long.
I must have read FL repugg reports all wrong...I thought the Crist nod would be crucial...one of the newer posters wrote that the Martinez endorsement was more important.
Have fun...I have been tweaking my computer all day long trying to get just the proper add-ons and settings and accelerators working to allow me to enjoy my XM online option...finally got it pretty good.

South Carolina a snoozer? Someone must not have been in South Carolina tonight. Because if you are a Democrat in SC, you know that no matter what candidate you voted for tonight the Democratic Party has seen a ray of light that with organization and mobilizing the vote we can turn out the vote in outstanding numbers. The Republicans last week came out at 440,000 and the Democrats came out today in a resounding 520,00+. Again that is a win for any Democrat in SC.

I was part of maybe one of the greatest well organized grassroots campaigns ever in SC - as a Canvassing Director in one of the 4 staging locations in my county I had over 100 people out on the streets today just as canvassers. And it was so well organized that the poll checkers could tell the poll runners performance numbers and they in turn could tell Columbia and Columbia could tell the boiler room and then the boiler room could tell the Staging Location Director and then tell me and so I could shift my people in precinct a b and c to precinct d because we needed to flood that precinct because it was under reporting. http://www.state.sc.us/cgi-bin/scsec/r208dp?race=PRESIDENT&election=pri08dp&county=YORK&pr=dp
Rock Hill 2, Rock Hill3, Rock Hill 4, Rock Hill6, Rock Hill 8 Edgewood, Anderson Rd, Lesslie1 - I helped make it happen.

wonamini -- "South Carolina a snoozer? "

Only in the sense that the outcome wasn't in doubt for about a month....

"I was part of maybe one of the greatest well organized grassroots campaigns ever in SC "

Sounds like an Iowa or NH caucus run-up...It's great fun, isn't it!

BTW, you don't know what Donnie Fowler's up to these days, do you?

Nope just focusing on my area of the state.

Don Fowler endorsed Hillary - not a big surprise there.

I think people were expecting this but not to be this big.

Dexter -- The McCain endorsements appear to have had an affect, though it probably won't show up until tomorrow's poll data is in. The futures market gave McCain a big uptick today after the endorsements came out.

The insense is burning, the strobe candle's lit, the black light is on, the Dead is on the turntable, and I think my Peter Maxx poster is talking to me...Far out, Man....

Just another groovy night in Paradise...

wonamini -- "Don Fowler endorsed Hillary"

Not Don...Donnie is his son, and probably the best grass-roots organizer I've known...Last I heard, he was running the SC Democratic Party. Couldn't believe one of the candidates didn't pick him up to run their campaign. He's good enough and has the creditials -- under-rated as far as I'm concerned.

wonamini -- "I think people were expecting this but not to be this big."

That surpirses me...The futures market was predicting a blowout since the 21st. In fact, it was the longest-sustained blowout in the market by any candidate this cycle.

Hey, I thought Florida was supposed to be off limits? I guess the Clintons don't like to follow rules.

Okay Craig, let me get this straight. Clinton breaks an agreement to run in Michigan and declares victory when she "wins". Howard W. says that this campaign is all about the delegates, but when Obama wins more delegates in Nevada than Clinton, that's a Clinton "win". And in Florida, a state where the candidates all said they'd not campaign, the Clintons suddenly decide that they ARE playing there. And if she "wins", it will reflect on Obama's South Carolina win.

I swear, I don't get the Clintonites. It's like watching England and France after World WarII, desperate to hold onto the past even as the world understands that the past is over. I noted that the Clintons made a major error in calculation by thinking that black surrogates would deliver black votes. Now, they've galvanized the African American vote AGAINST them. Ironic because if they'd have played fair, they would have chopped into the black vote. But alas, arrogance (Jesse Jackson also won SC...BC)knows no end.

So I say that Florida means nothing either way. A Clinton win is not a win. An Obama win is not a win. The chips are pushed in for February 5th and guess what? Obama is going to win for real.

spike...peter max rules! I'll never forget the exhibit I attended at the San Francisco MOA 38 years ago.
Is Rudy cooked? No way can he win FL now, right? It's between McCain and Romney and it's up or grabs.

All I know is Edwards finished 3rd again.

Dexter -- Guliani's looking at a very distant third in FL.

For you ambulance chasers at there, according to the Intrade futures market, as of today, there is a 13% chance Guliani will drop out by the end of the month, and a 95% chance he'll be out by the end of February. Huckabee''s chances are about the same.

According to the same market, there is less than a 1% chance Edwards will be out by the end of January, and a 40% chance he will be out by the end of February. Romney's chances are about the same.

OK dudes and dudettes, I'm outta here. Peace, man...

RE: The Jackson comment....probably dumb to say, but is certainly conventional wisdom that I heard all week on cable analysis.

Bummer about Edwards in SC!

I still have a creepy feeling about those Super Delegates. If Edward's is real good at back room politics, promises and the like, he could, maybe, win the nod?

tt

" I thought Florida was supposed to be off limits? I guess the Clintons don't like to follow rules. "

Obama has been heavily running ads in Florida for well over a week.

Good morning C-listers.

Even though work is insanely intense right now I am going to try some trail spotting this week here in GA or least do a bit of reporting about the ground and air war in Georgia. I will try to do a bit on both sides, but obviosuly I am more interested in the Democratic side

-Hipster

a president like her father...
well that leaves a lot of room for interpretation

tax breaks for the rich??????????
Was President Kennedy's tax cut really less oriented toward the rich than President Bush's? The facts suggest otherwise. The Kennedy tax cut reduced the top income tax rate from 91% to 70%. That was a 21-point cut in the tax rates on the rich. The Bush plan, by contrast, cuts the top income tax rate from 39% to 35%, which is a 4-point reduction. The Kennedy plan gave a larger tax break to the rich than either the Reagan or the Bush tax cuts.

I wonder...If Bill Clinton starts criticizing John Edwards on his record, will the media accuse Clinton of playing the "rich white guy" card or say that he is "phony populist" baiting?

After all, as pointed out on the Tyra Banks show last week, Edwards is the true minority in this Dem Primary...Right? Cheers!!

JFK instructed his brother Bobby to wire tap Martin Luther King's phones because he suspected him of being a communist. Again, the similarity between Kennedy and Nixon is clear; the Watergate was bugged for identical reasons. However, Nixon did not discover the target of his investigation to be having adulterous affairs and then use that to secure his endorsement, as did JFK (though he probably would have if given the opportunity).

From Thomas- "There is an issue that isn't being addressed... CRIME... I know it is usually a Republican issue, but I think it's an issue for all of us. I am so tired of people making excuses for violent crimes, assaults, murders, robberies, carjackings, what have you. I don't believe in prison vacations for prisoners, nor do I believe in early releases. Since living in Europe I take a harder view of these nasty acts. In Belgium, no matter what the sentence, if you stay low key you only have to serve 1/3 of your sentence.

My Motto: "you do the crime, you do the time". 20 years MEANS 20 years. etc..."

I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with Thomas!!!!

That was bunch of reading this morning!

Got busy yesterday with my fellow Repub friends celebrating a birthday for our little Repub kids, LOL!

KInda bumbed I missed all the coverage last night.