Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

They oughta hold the convention in Key West...

Let's see if all the newbies manage to catch up.

Hey! Where's your Woo Hoo!?

Craig,

Will you be on at all tomorrow?

Jamie...

Did you see my question? Will I be able to participate in the caucus as an independent, or does one have to be registered Dem or Rep to participate?

Sheila Stands up and claps!

Jamie - Can keep up.

Need to read Caroline Kennedy's endorsment-powerful
"A President Like My Father"!

Shelia,
For you: Woo Hoo! With a Florida accent.

Vassar Clements w/ Del McCoury

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5voqaCXPt_M

caught up

sure, Jamie, i'm more or less always on or lurking

HW

You must register Democratic. Not sure about the time sequence. Once in the room you can vote "undeclared".

Once everybody divides up: Edwards, Clinton, Obama, and undeclared they are counted.

Anyone who does not reach the 15% threshhold can change their selection. If undeclared is above 15% once the second chance shuffle takes place, they can be reported out that way to the county level and the next tier.

Here are the rules and info: http://www.wa-democrats.org/

Claps with tears in my eyes!!!! WOW~!

Craig,

I meant MSNBC or are they going to their usual weekend coverage of drugs, death, and dissipation?

I am trying very hard to like him. I used to like him a great deal and I have been so put off by the falsity of the press and propaganda that he is starting to look like a very pretty empty suit.

oh, that. booked for state of union with david shuster monday night. only thing i know about right now, don't always get much advance notice

Earlier I posted the following about Craig's MoJo performance.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CwyrGwM4a7M

But more appropriate would be:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dbKQklwNScA

Craig, stay off them cancer sticks!

How is the ankle doing. News about parents. Any good gossip? :-)

Stands up and claps!

Obama's speech is all about telling Bill to piss off. You came at me with everything you got and I gave you a big fat dose of kick ass.

dnd

Bad sentiments. Great song. Of course that was back before cigarette company poured tons of chemicals in them to keep the tobacco fresh and fast burning.

Obama is such a great motivator. GREAT speech. When I listen to him I am a believer. But I just worry about whether he can stand up to the republican machine.

I still say Dems win either way.. both of 'em can get Dems off their butts to cheer, and to vote.. No matter who the nominee is.. it's SO important that dems take back the whitehouse..

Labber,

I like to think that its not just HE, But WE will stand up to the republican machine, no matter who gets it and I really believe if he gets it, HE will do just fine.

btw.. i need to thank.. i think it was sheila by way of Brian.. i downloaded Adaware and that nasty trojan (hmmm.. you would think a Trojan would be GOOD protection.. lol) is gone..

I have to second dnd's sentiment about the cancer sticks. I have to sell cigarettes at my business... I hate it, but it's something I have to do. I was the only member of my family who didn't smoke and it wasn't easy growing up green. Craig, stay off them !!! You'll feel better and your lungs will thank you !!!

Oh and I finally for the first time heard Craig speak. Totally different than what I expected! Where are you from Craig?

Yea TY,

WE will unify and run right over the Republicans. The candidate will just ride the wave. I'm sure of it.

Well,

I thought when I saw Ted Kennedy's 1980 Convention speech was one of the best I had ever seen....

Then I thought Jesse Jackson's 1988 Convention speech was one of the best I had ever seen....

Then I thought Bill Clinton's Inagural address was one of the best I had ever seen...

Well, I can now add Barak Obama's SC victory speech to the list....

That was just about the most well-delivered and strategically astute speeches I've ever seen....

Oh Youe welcome TY. I'm glad it worked for you.

I think SC may prove to have been a transforming event for Obama. I think Billary is going to find themself up against a much tougher candidate. The Clintons may have ended up creating their worst nightmare, no wonder she went sucking up to Edwards earlier in the week.

Go John!!!

one more week in the ankle cast, jamie, doin fine. parents well, we're watchin all the speeches tonight. mom is worried about elizabeth edwards -- anyone see her lately? don't see her there tonight?

Obama gets to the heart of the matter, for sure...

Sheila and Tylenol - you are both right. We are lucky to have good choices in the primary. I just want to make sure that we don't have a candidate this year like Kerry who sits back while being swift-boated. I know the Clintons wouldn't put up with that kind of ... stuff. Sometimes when I hear Obama talk about unifying everybody (includinig republicans), I think he is not being realistic about their take no prisoners approach to campaigning. If he (or MSM) think the Clinton's have been mean this week, they ain't seen nothin yet - wait until Rush and the other nut jobs let loose the full force of their right wing conspiracy.

Is the South Carolina result a big surprise? I don't think blacks voting for Obama in large numbers is unexpected. We will have to see what happens in Florida, but I think Hillary still has momentum as well as Obama. I am starting to believe in Craig's shotgun marriage theory.

I talked to my friend in Olympia and I asked him point blank why he doesn't like Hillary and he said he has never liked the Clintons... they sold out labor, gays, et al and then he said they are Republicans in Democratic clothing. He further clarified that the Clintons are what the Republicans used to be before they were co-opted by the religious/fundamentalist right. He suggested that the real Dems are people like Howard Dean and John Edwards.

Re: computer viruses

Tylenol, be smart, dump the PC and get an iMac. The viruses you just mentioned are pretty much non-existent.

I love my iMac 24"

A friend and I were musing once about Norton Anti-virus. We decided that the company had two major offices. One which was for creating viruses, and one which was for eliminating them. It's a joke, but it struck me as incredibly possible !! LOL...

"Where are you from Craig?" -- Posted by: Thomas Freeman

Thomas, i was born in Kentucky, raised in Florida

Well Labber Girl,

Its still early. We still don't know who the nominee is. When that happens, we'll be afraid for whoever it is no matter what.

There is an issue that isn't being addressed... CRIME... I know it is usually a Republican issue, but I think it's an issue for all of us. I am so tired of people making excuses for violent crimes, assaults, murders, robberies, carjackings, what have you. I don't believe in prison vacations for prisoners, nor do I believe in early releases. Since living in Europe I take a harder view of these nasty acts. In Belgium, no matter what the sentence, if you stay low key you only have to serve 1/3 of your sentence.

My Motto: "you do the crime, you do the time". 20 years MEANS 20 years. etc...

Craig,
"mom is worried about elizabeth edwards -- anyone see her lately?"

Seems to me that your mom has more insight than the paparazzi chattering class.

I think after tonights speech by Obama I don't think a shot gun wedding will be in the offering. Nice try though Thomas.

Whoever the Dem candidate is I will vote for. Anyone, including Obama, would be ten times as good as any of the Republicans.

No graceful concession?

Well I am still for Hillary and if she doesn't win, she doesn't win. I still think she will. Personally I think she should choose Bill RIchardson as a running mate.

gonna take more skill than giving a great speech to straighten this country out....sadly speaking....I am worried about the racism rearing its ugly head now

I am sure sh will.....there it is! The press were wrong.

Although she's getting on with it. ;0)

I think trying to equate the FL unofficial primary to an official State primary is being disingenuous, as is referring to the rules disputes a spat. If there is no organization or formal rules in our nomination process then what are we left with.

Thomas .. I bought an imac in 2004.. and it had 'power issues'..kinda like HRC.. then Apple decided to add Intel.. now i'm waiting to see what new generation is like.. there's nothing i hate more than being obsolete 2 minutes after i buy a computer..

i dont see this election as having much effect on 'Florida but will be interesting....

Jamie...

Thanks for that link. I'm surprised, but I WILL be able to participate in the caucus, even though I'm not a registered Dem. Because WA doesn't require voters to register according to party affiliation, it isn't required in order to caucus.

what was the turnout tonight? anyone know? was it as high as they'd predicted? SC doesnt have a chance of going to dems in November does it??

not really, it is pretty red

that's what i thought..

TY,

It was huge, but I'm not sure about doing to the DEMS. Its a huge Red stronghold too.

like it or not the democratic supporters of both Obama and Hillary will need to come together in order to defeat the reds

wow, had to go to cspan to find HRC speech. only place it's being carried. too funny

Tylenol, this is my second iMac... The first one was a G5 and it was also good, but this one is miles above it. The only problem I see so far is that the Leopard is not compatible with Photoshop.

Rez -- but Florida is a vote, and a win there would probably give her a bounce even if it doesn't mean any actual delegates. She will be able to argue - I can win in a big diverse state like Florida. I think at this point, after getting trounced in South Carolina, its the best strategy available to her. Whether its "fair" or not is another question, but being a Floridian, I don't think its fair that our votes don't count.

Ty turnout was huge.

Sorry but i'm for the big "O",
Next thing we'll have is another FL court episode, further diving our party; thanks again Billary.

many many times in our history the candidates got together that hated each other but did it to win the white house like JFK and LBJ

I had a G5 too, thomas... I found out later that 2004 models had a 'bug'.. and sure enough, MY model was not one of the ones with extended warranty.. i'm rather pissed off with Steve Jobs at the moment..

where does everyone get that they hate each other? that was a machination by Tweety..

Could someone explain to me how considering Obama has more votes and more delegates then any of the other candidates how he cannot be considered the front runner?

Rez, Oprah isn't running.

hell hillary has even co sponsered a bill with one of the senators that impeached her hubby so I know she can but dont really know Obama that well

i'm thinking it'll all come down to turnout in November.. if Reps arent motived (and Lord knows why they would be!) and dem turnout is huge.. ya never know!

HW

Right. Forgot that you don't have to declare a party in WA, you just have to be where you want to be.

"All registered voters and those who will be 18 at the time of the presidential election can vote at their caucus. You can register to vote at the caucus location and vote in the caucus. Others who are not registered can participate but can not vote. "

He is now Bri.. depends on national polls etc.. ya know how 'they' like to interpret everything..

well right now hillary is 20% ahead in florida average I guess...

I sure havent seen Elizabeth lately...Hope she is ok

Saw her just last week and she looked vigorous. I bet she is just taking care of the kids. Afterall, its a school year and this should be the first year for Jack, right?

Ok I have a strange question. Was Barak Obama's first name once Barry? If so, why did he change it?

No, Thomas.. Barak has always been Barak..

so what do ya think Crist's endorsement will do?

Hey gang-

Check out the Democratic turnout in SC Vs. the GOP turnout. It is totally amazing.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#SC

SOUTH CAROLINA! Man, I nevere would have believed the difference in turnout between the two party primaries.

Looks like the GOP thinks their candidates SUCK!

-Hipster

His fainly used Barry because when he was young, most American kids didn't get his name and acted as though he was an outsider. You know kids.

guess RealClear will be a good site for delegate watch:

Democrats
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

Republicans
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/republican_delegate_count.html

Thanks...

My point exactly, Hipster.. could be some blue states suddenly bubbling up..

Shila trust me, Barak is about to become a very popular and common first name!

I live next door to Oconee County and you would hard pressed to fins many African-Americans there. Obama carried 24-25% of the vote, and its the birth county of JE. Thats real turn out for him.

500,000 voters in the Democratic primary and about 300,000 in the state that left the Union to start the Civil War.

The doubters can go join the lonbe voice on MSNBC: Pat Buchanan.

Bill Clinton's Jesse Jackson comparison today was,....uh...well, what can I say? Remarkable.

-Hipster

High school yearbook photo of Barry Obama...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/18/181128/082

You are right Brian. Not a few baby boys will be named Barack this year. ;0)

Time to adjurn to the bed. Nighty Night folks!

Tylenol, I'm obviously glad my guy won tonight but thats just a hell of a turn out down here. I'm telling you. Good numbers for all three candidates.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#SC

-Hipster

"Looks like the GOP thinks their candidates SUCK! "

Hipster,
They do.

He was sometimes known as "Barry" in school. Here is a photo of both "Barry" Obama supposedly from the yearbook. There is a drug reference in there that as far as I know is real but could be a photo shop to put it with the High School picture.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/18/181128/082

"Barry" is also mentioned in the school portion of his Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

CC:"wow, had to go to cspan to find HRC speech. only place it's being carried. too funny"

They had Bill's speech in IN on all channels, and blew HRC off.
Seems to be a recurring prob. LOL

that makes sense.. people called me 'barbie' until i threatened to beat them up..

If I had a dollar for everytime Scorborough said the name Bill Clinton---I could retire!

Is there a tribal or cultural meaning to the name "Barak"?

oops, I googled it and found the answer:

The boy's name Barak \b(a)-rak\ is pronounced ba-RAHK, BARE-ek. It is of Hebrew origin, and its meaning is "flash of lightning". Biblical: a valiant fighting man who cooperated with the prophetess Deborah to win victory in a battle against overwhelming odds. See also Barric.

Barak has 1 variant form: Barrak.

Baby names that sound like Barak are Barek and Borak.

Barak is a very rare male first name and a popular surname (source: 1990 U.S. Census). Displayed below is the baby name popularity trend for the boy's name Barak. Click here to compare Barak with related baby names.

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Barak

you could retire tomorrow if you added "with a sneer" chickadee

I think Hillary's holding a late night event comes across as pretty sad.

Craig...typo...3rd paragraph, 3rd line...'here husband"

I understand the donkeys formed a picket line and protested when I called Scarborough an ass, and the snakes sent a representative to warn, "don't you dare look at us".

Brian, would you be satisfied if Hillary took personal responsibility for every ill in the country and then slit her wrists in repentance? You act like she isn't even human. Now that is "pretty sad".

thay all hold late night events, brian, especially when they arrive in a new state.

heard from the worns and weasles yet, jamie?

well if Baraak doesnt win after all the media shilling for him and promoting this Clinton hatred, then noone can....

Thomas...

Would it make a difference to meaning that his name is actually spelled Barack? Not being snippy...this is genuine curiosity.

thanks harborwoman, typo fixed

Brian,

No need to talk about Hillary. She aint the story, friend.

I'm wondering if Obama's momentum can give him a bounce in the big day coming up. I know he can compete with cash. I am thinking about giving him some dough myself.

Jeebus i am excited about this guy. Thats a great speech he gave tonight. He was spot on. Whne was the last time you heard a major candidate reach out to independents and people from the other party?

Feels good.

Maybe, just maybe all this Rove red state blue state stuff is on the way out.

-Hipster

well since I am a Clinton supporter this means, I am also older than the average bear so I will bid you all a fond adieu and catch ya all later....Enjoy the site Craig, and I will return I am sure....

which reminds me, i never did see Obama's speech Nevada caucus night and saw no coverage. Did he? If so, I missed it.

Weasels are claiming to be higher life forms and the worms have gone fishing.

oops sorry... yes it does name a difference

http://www.babynames.com/name/BARACK

The meaning of the name Barack is Blessed
The origin of the name Barack is African
Info on this name: Form of the Hebrew name Baruch.

I'm going to try to give some trail spotter reports on all the candidates from both parties this week in Georgia. I voted for the big O last week.

-Hipster

no Craig he never made a phone call and Hillary and he never made a speech of concession and he announced he had more delegates than Hillary and that he had won anyway

athyrio, thanks for playing -- and same to all the new visitors today

oh i see, athyrio, how gracious of him

Thanks, Thomas! Either way, he has a name with an auspicious meaning, doesn't he?

lol I agree Craig, guess he isnt big on concessions and congratulations to his competition

sounds a bit like the clintons dismiissing SC tonight

Hipster it was Rove who said Obama needed to go on the attack against Hillary. It seems to me that Obama is playing by the Roveian model of attack... or had been in the beginning until the Clintons fought back.

Craig,

He spoke barely acknowledging the popular vote without making a concession because of the delegate count. It was really pretty condescending and rude.

Here's some basic info from a WaPo column

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/01/clinton_won_or_did_she.html

Craig why does sthe media hate the Clintons so much I dont understand it

Craig

Didnt see it either. We were out in the snow here buying firewood. That was really the sparkl for all the Bill Clinton stuff when he said people were following him around changing people's work schedules....but I didnt see the speech.

-Hip

harborwoman, yes... the name is good, very good.

craig...what am I, chopped liver??

I don't think the clintons dismissed SC

I think hillary should have given a gracious speech congratulating Obama and gone to bed.

Craig...You can go back in and edit your posts, can't you?

Pat Buchanan is reading Obama's speech as "very angry" and as "rough as a cob." Sounds like the next MSM spin will be to characterize Obama as rough and angry.

Like the charges against Clinton, I just don't see it.

Obama the Rove candidate? Well Thomas that might be the most ridiculous thing I have heard tonight. You are having a tough night I am sure. You are also as entitled to your opinion.

One thing about the Clinton folks....The spinning never stops.

-Hip

craig.. who is congressional quarterly's readership? was it ever in print or is this an internets invention?

LIke Barak gave Hillary in Nevada? Did he "go to bed" Brian? You didn't answer my question about what it would take to get you to think anything positive about Hillary at all.

Thomas, Just understand that Brian HATES women. He continually uses snide terms when referring to us and his disdain is most evident in his snark against Hillary Clinton. He will use excuses, Bill et al, and suck up to a few females to give him cover....but it comes down to a visceral hatred of women. When anyone calls him on it, he says, "Not ALL women....just you!" Don't worry about it, Thomas....it's just his thing.

she did give a gracious speech and congratulate him....what did you hear....then CNN cut away from the speech in the middle of it

Evenin' all. Lovin' life - up at Deep Creek Lake - got Little Pogo and one of his little friends for a ski outing tomorrow.

Congrats to Obama - he certainly beat the crap out of Clinton and Edwards. Brian, John is putting up a brave little face, but buddy, his campaign is now officially toast.

Sad, Brian? Gimme a break - no sadder than getting 16% of your party's vote in your home state. If no one shows up it will be sad - until they show up at the next event - if they do, who's to say it's sad? Certainly no one takes the analysis of HIllary's campaign strategy seriously from the "Hillary is the antichrist" blogger.

Not likely to hang here long - it's getting late and this is dial up (I forgot how much I dial up).

Harbor quick give me cover!

my head is exploding folks so good night to all ......

it's ok pogo.. i l l t y p e s l o w l y

Hipster:

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is getting advice from an unlikely source: former top Bush aide Karl Rove.

The man behind Bush's two presidential victories took to the pages of the Financial Times Sunday to offer the candidate some unsolicited suggestions on how to beat rival Hillary Clinton.

In an open memo to Obama, Rove said the Illinois senator currently appears "weak and ineffectual," and should start sharpening his attacks on the New York Democrat.

"Stop acting like a vitamin-deficient Adlai Stevenson," Rove writes in reference to another Illinois Democrat who twice ran for president and lost. "Striking a pose of being high-minded and too pure will not work. Americans want to see you scrapping and fighting for the job, not in a mean or ugly way but in a forceful and straightforward way."

Rove also suggests Obama exploit the "real doubts" many Democrats feel about Clinton, take clear stances on the issues, and better articulate the type of change he is hoping to represent.

Finally, Rove says Obama needs to decry what he calls Clinton's complaints that she is "being picked on."

"Find a way to gently belittle her whenever she tries to use disagreements among Democrats as an excuse to complain about being picked on," Rove writes. "The toughest candidate in the field should not be able to complain when others disagree with her. This is not a coronation."

"Blow the whistle on her when she tries to become a victim," he continues. "Do it with humor and a smile and it will sting even more."

Rove's memo comes the same day a new poll out of crucial early-voting state Iowa shows Obama seems to have taken a lead over Clinton, 28 percent to 25 percent. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards is a close third at 23 percent. With the poll's 4.4 percent margin of error, the race in the Hawkeye State is a statistical dead heat.

Responding to the memo, a Clinton campaign spokesperson said, "Why is Karl Rove giving Sen. Obama advice on how to win? Could it be that he thinks it will be easier for Republicans to run against the unknown gentleman from Illinois?"

From Cnn.com... that is what I was referring to. And I didn't say that Obama was Rove's candidate, I said he wrote a strategy, an open letter, on how to take on Hillary.

"It seems to me that Obama is playing by the Roveian model of attack.."

No, the Rovian model of attack would be bringing up Jesse Jackson's name out of the blue (Why Jesse? Hmmm...I can take a guess) hours before you are going to get your clock cleaned in the primary. Don't kid yourself. Bill Clinton knew exactly what he was saying when he did that this afternoon.

I guess that doesnt count though when you are busy spinning.

What would help Senator Clinton now is to refocus and stop spinning. Then maybe her vote totals wouldnt get er uh DOUBLED by her opponent.

-Hip

Thomas...Brian doesn't hate all women, but he does feel a very deep disdain for Hillary because of his perception of her campaign tactics. He can explain himself far better than I can, so that's all I'll say, except to note the he - like the rest of us - is entitled to his opinion.

Barak won Obama what are you talking about? Didn't he get more delegates?

Yes, Thomas, I was well aware of Karl Rove's speech and I dont need you to explain it to me. You might find a little better reception if you would just stop frickin spinning every thing.

Its like reading what Joe Trippi would write on a board.
-Hip

CNN is rerunning the Clinton speech.

Yes but if I were to go to the jugular at Obama the way he does over Hillary, "racism" charges would fly all around the goddamn place.

Hip F'off. I am not a political professional and I am not a spinner. I am suggesting that after that god'dm memo came out in press, Obama in fact, did start a sustained attack on Hillary.

'Nuff said... and you don't know me so ... oh I guess I already said that.

You may be right about that, Thomas. One of the hazards of the world we live in today. I wish I thought we'd all live to see the end of racism, or even the freedom to have a REAL conversation about it.

I know many on this list don't care for Imus, but I do see him trying to continue the conversation in some very positive ways. Certainly, he's doing more to continue it than anyone in the MSM.

What do you mean "F'off"?

-Hip

hey Craig, i was wondering what happen to ya, i can see u here working overtime spinning for the clintons....good try, little ms missy got a beat down tonight, someone should have called the police because it was a beat down! florida is not in play at all and it will make no difference on feb 5 whichever way it goes for or against obama. but i do know this u are on the losing side, hilliary missed her moment in 2004 a election she would have won, but now its obama moment. if u act right and change to obama quickly i will put in a good word for u for a potential job in a obama administration. i got a lot of friends... ;)

Hip if you are Hip I am sure you can figure that out. Why don't you and Brian start an anti-woman, testosterone-poisoned boys club.? Now I am tired and p'off so I am so outta here.

Thomas-

Is there some kind of policy about people being told to "F'off?"

I've tied in to it with a lot of people here, but thats not cool.

How long have I been C-listing? 2 years?

"F'off?"

Thats sick man.

-Hip

Yes, Harbor, can edit posts

TYLENOL asks, "who is congressional quarterly's readership? was it ever in print or is this an internets invention?" -- mostly DC audience for print, tylenol. they're reaching wider with internet products such as cqpolitics.com

Damn TF, what time is it in Belgium? Must be morning, no?

Ty - :-).

Anti-woman?

You got the wrong guy.

Whats the policy on personal things like that? Is there one?

I'd say if you are leaving then good riddance. There's a lot better discourse from Clinton supporters than "F'off" I am sure.

-Hipster

Yes Pogo it is 5 am... I am just reading Hipster rant.

The Jesse Jackson crack could end up becoming Bill's macaka moment.

John R, you are welcome to post here, but don't bother addressing me because i don't read them. Might save some space.

Oh and Hip, when I said I am so out of here, I meant for this session. Next time stop accusing me of "spin" - I say what I mean and mean what I say.

Craig - glad to hear you'll be back on two feet soon. Caught you on MoJo this morning - great spot, and good job holding your ground against Jose and the Spinners.

Good night Thomas

Have a nice weekend.

rofl craig, i love addressing u ;)

Thomas,

I dont think I have ever met anyone as rude as you.

You just arent very good at discussion.

I also thought you were leaving, which would be good.

Brian,

I think thats going to be a problem for her now that President Clinton pulled that one.

What happened to that guy?

-Hipster

I know this sounds like a dumb question but.. craig.. it prints 4 times a year?

Hipster,

Thomas is a very nice man. He came in a few days ago with an extensive discussion on the Health care system in Belgium where he lives. He's from Washington and is now an exPat there.

Afraid you got caught in the crossfire as he has been under attack all evening and he made the unfortunate assumption you were comeing from the same direction.

it'll be good to walk again, pogo, thanks. altho gonna be interesting to see if i can walk very well

Bill doesn't like losing, he gets very pissy when he does, hence the Jackson crack.

Rude because I stood up to your mischaracterization of me?

That's rich.

I guess if people disagree with you, or call you on something you said it makes them the rudest person ever? Or is it not "very good at discussion?" Anyway, this back and forth has gone on long enough so for the sake of peace I will concede to your superior wisdom and back down.

Hipster, why are you gunning for Thomas?

what exactly was the jackson remark? and please dont post a link.. my sound card went kaput the other day.. is there a quote somewhere?

you gonna need pt, craig?

Thank you Jamie... I am just who I am. And I am tired and I am the sort of person who is sincere in what s/he believes and I just didn't get the "spin" comment at all. That's it... it felt like a dismissive little swat and it got my dander up.

probably, nannymm

stand your ground thomas. I'm interested in what you have to say and so are most of the others it seems.

ha, tylenol, no -- Congressional Quarterly was founded in 1940s and times are very different now. they publish lots of stuff at all times of day or night -- info at cq.com

I hate it now that they can project a winner 30 seconds after the polls close..takes all the fun out of elections..

well than, craig, i'll think of you every mon wed and fri when i'm working my butt off at pt. it's hell but it helps.

If you need some "dander" removal, let me know. I can probably find a soothing You Tube clip or something.

Jamie,

He may be nice to you, and I do respect you but I dont care for being told to "fuck off." He's got a problem and part of the great thing about C-Listing is the banter back and forth. Not even Frydaddy, bad as he hates me has ever gone there.

I think the bottom line is he just lost his cool and so he went to personal insult.

If Brian and he were tangling then so be it.

If I am the new kid in boxing i am damn sure not going to fight Ali or Mike Tyson on my first trip into the ring. Thats what he may be trying to do as a new person.

If I point some things out to him, its not person. It never is with me, not even with Daddy. At least i dont mean it to be.

I dont plan on speaking to him again, and I hope he eventually goes away or changes his act. Thats what he wants anyway- to just spout off and not engage.

"Fuck off" is not cool.

I will also add that my wife and co-workers would sure be shocked to find out that I "hate women" or whatever it was he said.

-Hip

thanks craig.. i was looking at the site earlier.. just wasnt sure if there was actually a print version..

tylenol, do you usually give the sermon at your church?
or are you still "in training?"

I dont know if I ever said.. but they added a part to the election act here..about broadcasting.. on the night of elections.. the television coverage cannot start until polls close in each time zone.. was a problem in the 80s when tv coverage would start 3 hours before the polls closed in Vancouver, say, and it had already been projected.. ppl just didnt go out to vote..

Patsi

If you get time go back and read the exchange. I'm not gunning for anyone. I certainly didnt tell anyone to "Fuck off."

Thats just not appropriate here. Its the kind of thing I see at places like dailykos or that awful freerepublic. If I offended you or Jamie or you felt offended, then i apologize to the two of you.

-Hipster

I give a sermon about once a month, nanny... i am still in training, too..this is a very long process

anyhoo-

How many states are up Feb 5th is it 22?

sorry for temporarily hijacking the thread.

I am wondering what the GOP side will look like??

maybe i'll come up and hear ya preach some sunday. it's not that far for me.

Okay, Hipster....I reread the thread and you baited him as well...don't be surprised when people don't turn the other cheek. Look how much good that did John Kerry... Personally, I preferred Teresa Heinz Kerry's "Shove it!" :)

that would be nice.. you should come up for one of our contemporary services.. i'm in the band.. haha

there are 22 states that date, including my state of ny

thing is, tylenol, there is no one print version. several publications. most described, i think, at http://www.cq.com/corp/show.do?page=about_mission

what i like about the place is that we are wholly owned by a non-profit journalism school, the Poynter Institute, so we are free and clear of Wall Street and such scary things

uh oh....if my grandson hears that he'll want to bring his guitar.

ok I wasn't going to write anything else today, but the comment was F'off and it was because I felt your comment to me was a personal attack. If I misunderstood or misconstrued then I apologize. I simply wish you wouldn't mischaracterize me.

Thank you, and really (and this is not a dig) if I am the rudest person you ever met, you must be living with some seriously SUPER nice people. I'm temperamental and perhaps sometimes a bit rude (usually not my intent), but I think I am a rather nice person. Geez, now I really do sound like Mrs. Clinton. And usually, if I do get into a "fight" I try to resolve it. now REALLY, I am going to sleep.

Goodnight all.

http://www.st-georges.org/

Gotcha Patsi.....I take 50% of the blame. Moving on now...

Im thinking Rudi will be out after Feb 5th. Or maybe he will adopt a new strategy of coming in behind Ron Paul in even more states.

-HIP

aww let him bring it!! it's a great service :)