Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Jamie...
your pledge to no longer watch MSNBC except for KO and when Craig is on didn't last too long...... ;0}

eprof.... I agree completely with you that Feb 5th will tell us much more than either Iowa or NH....

Fry..... I believe that Democrats must be very careful when spewing the usual anti-corporatist rant...... sometimes it's as if they think money comes from thin air.... I have to admit that your post was very well thought out....

although.... I do think companies should be tying CEO compensation to a company's performance.... no CEO should get a golden parachute for driving his company's stock price down.....

BTW, Craig

A "Bellwether" is normally a castrated male who leads the other sheep around. Not too sure that being one is that great an honor. :-)

I recall a textbook on Independents many years ago when the phenomenon was first discovered by political scientists. The conclusion on Independents was that it is very difficult to determine who exactly is an "independent" and what are their political views. So, in the McCain Obama situation, who exactly are these Independents? And, aren't a significant number of them in NH going to vote for Ron Paul in the Republican side depriving Obama his "new base?"

Questions from last thread: Are NH delegates bound legally to their candidates? And, how many rounds of voting must they stick with theircandidates at the convention?

Hey folks,

I was going to drop in for a bit but after seeing Renee post something about a well thought out Fry post...My chest started to hurt...I think it's the big one...move over Elizabeth, I'm coming to join you...lol

Democrats and Republicans in government both think that money grows on trees. I the end they don't admit it but they are of the mind set of robbing Peter to pay Paul. If you are a Democrat, Peter is a rich fat cat and you want to help the poor. If you are a Republican, Peter is some lazy money grubber using the money only to survive and you want to give it to Paul so he can make more out of it...hoping he shares...

I think President O'Bama (that puckish irish leprechaun!) would surround himself with the finest minds (including those with whom he's been on the campaign trail). I think hope and charisma can do wonderful things, and after 8 years of Dubya, America could do a whole lot worse than get excited about a guy who talks about hope and encouragement and change.

If duplicates show up. I apologize. The system is being truly weird.

Renee, They were on as leftover from the weekend coverage and I got hooked by those darn Murdoch headlines. I'm back to C-SPAN and sanity.

"eprof.... I agree completely with you that Feb 5th will tell us much more than either Iowa or NH...."

Is it just a coincidence that super-duper Tuesday falls on the day before Lent?

Winning in your own backyard

where is Edwards in SC?

Everyone a Trailspotter on this task:

if anybody sees or hears anything specific over the next few days regarding HRC's current cash-on-hand, please flag it here -- not suprisingly, i get nothing from her HQ on this -- my guess is that if they don't put a sizable number out there and instead remain silent about CoH, then it's not a good situation and she might not have the bucks to fully compete on Feb. 5. there's no telling how much they've spent in the last couple of weeks. i've seen extremely well-financed campaigns go broke in a fortnight when they panic. And the TV budget for Feb. 5 will be staggering

Craig....
exactly..... it will come down to money..... whether we like it or not....

over the weekend.... I did see a few Hillary ads (all positive).... but the amount of Obama ads were tenfold to her ads

oddly...... the phone has rung here at least 4-5 times by now with campaign calls..... not a one so far today.....

isn't the money rumor being spread by the same people who said Richardson made a deal with obama

People forget just how fickle Independents are. Unfortunately, they brought us George W. in 2004. Bloomberg has hinted for a run if Hillary is NOT the nominee. Many Democrats, myself included, will NOT be voting Democrat if anyone other than Hillary wins. This is coming from a staunch Democrat of over 30 years who has had her fill of watching Hillary get smeared by her own party.. I'll be supporting Bloomberg for the "experience" factor. And with the herd mentality of the "Independents", they'll probably stampede in that direction as well. Amazing how the New Hamsphire voters can switch their allegiance over night with an Obama win. There should be a show called Flip that Vote. Anyway, if Bloomberg gets in the fray, you'll have a Ross Perot situation on your hands, and we all know what happened to George Sr's second term.. So goes the Obama fever.

Hi All-

This is my first time posting to this board, and to be frank, until recently, I have only posted a few times in my life. However, I am compelled to get involved in the general political discussion online because there seems to be an overload of negative comments focused on Hillary Clinton.

The most disappointing comments I have read are the personal attacks and name calling on other boards such as First Read. Maybe I have not read enough boards, but it seems that these type of attacks are not conducted on the men in the race. While I do not condone these personal attacks, I just think that there needs to be fairness and balance.

Even the media portrays her differently. For example, today MSNBC talks about how she almost cried, implying that she is weak and cannot handle the campaign. If Edwards got teary eyed, which he has, the media would never comment on it.

Moreover, when she got angry at the debate, I saw one headline that said she snarled. Snarled! That suggests that she is some monster. I guarantee that if a male candidate got angry that it would be portrayed as in control or assertive.

The bottom line is this: as a woman, I am tired of the double standard imposed on women. In many ways, Americans seem to dismiss this issue as a relic from the past. Womens issues is yesterday's news. The reality is that it is still present.

I am in my mid-30's, and I genuinly believe that there are other women out there who are silent but support her efforts. We are not active because we are too busy taking care of our families and working to get on these boards that much. Needless to say, Hillary has my vote and support!

Craig,

This link is from a Boston Globe article. I am guessing that the COH figure will not be forthcoming until the reporting deadline at the end of the month.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/06/after_spending_in_nh_iowa_money_may_be_tight/

Catherine and Jan,

Welcome to the fray. Many of us have been dismayed by the unequal coverage of Hillary, even those who are supporting other candidates. For the most part the guys here have been very fair about acknowledging the obvious mistreatment while being firm about their choices.

George Bush has done so much damage that virtually everyone has indicated a vote for the Democratic party while still being decidedly angered by the treatment of Hillary. Whether we could be pushed to an Independent such as Bloomberg is doubtful, since that would just be one more rich, white, male.

Having said that, the opposing campaigns and media may want to think twice as to whether they are criticizing Hillary's positions or her sex., because they are making a lot of women very, very angry.

Edwards Adviser Trippi: Hillary Campaign Is Broke
By Greg Sargent - January 7, 2008, 11:45AM
Edwards senior adviser Joe Trippi has a theory about the Clinton campaign: He says that it's broke, or will be soon enough.
"There's a good chance that they're on the ropes financially," Trippi argued in an interview by cell phone from New Hampshire. "I can guarantee you their money is drying up. I don't think anyone is contributing to them."
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/edwards_adviser_trippi_hillary_is_broke.php

HC needs to control her emotions. i know this is a double standard, but women who are seen exhibiting tears due to frustration are seen as hormonally wrecks. Now i don't see her that way as HC has been my pick from day 1. But she does need to curb it.

I read something in yesterdays blog about Rush knocking on old Efeardfs, calling him the Breck Girl. He

I think the campaign to be asking about their money problems is Edwards.

If Obama teared up --there would be a celebration of his feminine side from the fawning media

Opps something happened my post got before I finished.

Rush only refers to Edwards sparingly, as Edwards will soon be an *, and off the radar screen very soon. The person(s) who he has gone after constantly are HC, and surprise Huckabee. HC makes sense, but Huckabee, well as I said before you remove the tax and abortion issues you can't tell Huckabee apart from Obama. I am willing to bet if Huckabee doesn't get the R's nomination the evangelicals will sit out the 2008 elections. That is the evangelicals not to be confused with the conservatives. The conservatives will go with Romney, Rudi or Fred, never McCain only unless he is some how the last one left standing.

Test

"the campaign was having it's best funding raising day ever."

And it may have been his best day ever. That sort of statement is similar to those advertisement you see that stock "abcxyz" went up 500%. Well it is true it did, but all that means is it went from 1 cent to 6 cents. You need to look at the figures to see if they are meaningful when compared to the other candidates. Ron Paul just took in $6 million in 1 day, but he is still dead last in the polls..

I have posted a few more pictures of the Hillary Clinton event in Nashua yesterday. Also a picture of the Edwardsmobile.

http://mudgeling.blogspot.com/

Again, I thought her presentation yesterday was superior to Obama's on Saturday. She gets extra credit for explaining how should govern and specific policies and legislation that she would work on...

Does anybody have a list of the legislation that Obama has introduced or sponsored that has been enacted into law? Are there any examples of bi-partisan cooperation to enact legislation? Because if he expects to make change, he better have people willing to work with him, and that is where actions is going to speak louder than words.

grammer correction from last post: replace is with are.

and that is where actions are going to speak louder than words.

Fry,

I am not surprised Rush is going after Huckabee because Huckabee seems to have a conscience and a genuine desire to help the poor and less fortunate.

KGC, don't forget, is Bill Clinton shows a tear, he is feeling our pain and sending a signal to the Secret Service to have his girl ready out back...lol

I say we petition to get the 22nd Amendment repealed ASAP so that we can get Bill back in the saddle.

Jamie,
That reminds me of one of the anecdotes Hillay spoke of yesterday. She described a senator who had vilified her in the past, who called and asked to meet with her in her senate office. He came to apologize for the awful things he had said about her in the past. He was apologizing because as he came to know her as a person and a fellow senator herchanged his mind how he felt about her. She did not mention who that was but I have heard that she is well respected by her collegues in the senate.

Bowman, This may be incomplete, but here is a list of Obama sponsored Legislation from Wikipedia:

"Obama co-sponsored the enactment of conventional weapons control and transparency legislation, and made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In the 110th Congress, he has sponsored legislation on lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel." Some additional positions at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Here is Hillary's sponsorship Page. It is too long to copy and paste.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

Jamie nice try, but it is the Lib Ds and their pals in the MSM who are inflicting the beating on HC. They have teamed up to form the NO HILLARY bandwagon.

Short story.

Burton Smith is a self-made billionaire living here in Charlotte. Smith owns a number of NASCAR track through-out the US including Lowes Motor Speedway right outside Charlotte. On the land owned by Smith, several hundred acres, he stared building a drag strip on his own dime no help from any government. Well homeowners living close by to this proposed drag strip, they also live close by to the regional airport and LMS, went to county council voicing their complaint about the, noise, traffic, decrease in home values the drag strip will bring with it. County counsel sided with the homeowners and told Smith he couldn't build his drag strip. Smith said "OK, and by the way I'll be moving LMS to a more favorable area." LMS bring in excess $500,000,000 a year. The day after Smith made his intentions known he was getting bombarded with offers from other NC countries and from other states that would give, as in free, him the land to build his speedway and his drag strip. Then a funny thing happened, county council, the state of NC all of a sudden became concerned. They saw vast amounts of revenues leaving the county and possibly the state. They started with apologies, offers, incentives, and in the end Smith decided to stay put, Smith was allowed to build his drag strip, and was given $75,000,000 of tax payer money as an incentive to stay put. $75,000,000 that didn't need to be spent was spent to keep the man and his business in the county. They even named the highway going from I-85 to LMS in his name Burton Smith Boulevard. If this scenario could bre made into a picture, that picture would be pornographic. There is a lesson to be learned here, don't "f" with the person who controls their own destiny, they are not looking for nor do they need your approval.

Oamania: pronounced (Oba mania)

please help with the definition

It doesnt matter what Hillary does... either way it's fodder for other side.. whether its Rush calling her a feminoid or billo about to say 'oh boohoo she can't take it.." She CAN take it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYGin18qif8

big girlz don't cry

It's okay with me if she loves our country enough to get teary-eyed. It's even okay if part of her emotion is born of frustration. Didn't anyone besides me get a bit teary-eyed last Thursday night when Iowa looked beyond color and voted for Obama? There are moments that simply invite an emotional response.

HW

From the standpoint of an advance in attitudes about race, it is wonderful that Obama is getting the response and votes. Unfortunately, I think that he is getting a lot of those votes because peoples attitudes have changed and they are ignoring the shortcomings because they are excited about the possibility of seeing beyond color.

From the standpoint of what is good for the country at this point in time ... Nope.

I hear what you're saying, Jamie. I'm only speaking as a child of the '60s...and it felt wonderful to see that the efforts of our generation are yielding results in subsequent generations. They'll go places we can only imagine, I expect...and hope!

My reaction to Obama's 'win' has been to try to catch every one of his speaking engagements that I can. If this continues, I want to know as much as I can about what he's saying and what he seems to be made of. I listened to Michele Obama yesterday...hadn't been impressed with her before, but was pleasantly surprised that she spoke at great length without notes, and described an America that sounds both familiar and desirable to me.

Edwards, speaking at a press availability in Laconia, New Hampshire, offered little sympathy and pounced on the opportunity to bring into question Clinton's ability to endure the stresses of the presidency. Edwards responded, "I think what we need in a commander-in-chief is strength and resolve, and presidential campaigns are tough business, but being president of the United States is also tough business."

Edwards should be ashamed of himself

It's over, ladies. Do what I saw a young man on another political board say to "the old folks" -- "STFU and get out of our way."

Fine. I'm out of the way. I hope this group of indies, crossover Republicans (maybe) and new voters -- who by the way, never worked a day in either the civil rights or women's movement -- are ready to step up and give the money and time to the Democratic party that we have given.

Anyway, Obama noted that he is for Change, and that he was for Change before Change was cool. He is unchanged in his commitment to Change. He did not mention his arch-rival, Hillary Clinton, by name, although he made several subtly veiled references to ``my opponent, the screeching harpy.''
Just kidding! Sort of

http://www.miamiherald.com/dave_barry/story/369902.html

Here is a little something that made me laugh at the expense of Sean Hannity No I don't support Ron Paul but these guys stood up and won't take it anymore.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/07/sean-hannity-flees-from-ron-paul-supporters/

yo soy Horsedooty!

We were young, impatient, and impertinent once, too, Patsi. They can shove at us, but they can't take our votes away. And we have to hope we raised them to make informed decisions rather than impulsive ones.

Not to mention the smart ass line about "beep beep beep back up the dump truck".

After all the "screeching harpy" (almost) has a lobbyist on her staff. No need to look at the lobbyist on his staff because he is really, really, really against lobbyists. You just heard him say so.

What this primary has taught me, unfortunately, is that it is fine to be a sexist....and, as a matter of fact, an ageist. God love Barack and I hope he really is a modern day prophet who can change the world. I just don't trust the Republican machine. They've played an enormous role in the Hillary Pillory or should I just say public stoning for not knowing her place -- just look at the numbers of right wing bloggers and editorialists who are supporting Barack. And I resent the fact that I am not even allowed to question his support of Lieberman....

But as I said...it's over. The decision has been made. When even the Democratic party will not stand up for the sexist overtones....then Fuhgetabout it.

"We were young, impatient, and impertinent once, too, Patsi."

I was NEVER disrespectful. I was raised to debate and to question. That's how I raised my children, as well.

tonight's nbc news is an ode to Obama the magic negro*

*Obama the 'Magic Negro'

The Illinois senator lends himself to white America's idealized, less-than-real black man.
By David Ehrenstein, L.A.-based DAVID EHRENSTEIN writes about Hollywood and politics.
March 19, 2007
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-home-center

I missed whatever the crying or almost crying incident was about, but if it puts Hillary in a bad light, I'm sure I can watch it on Hardball tonight, and probably tomorrow night too. I don't know if I've ever been more aware of a politician being mistreated than I am this year regarding Hillary.

I know it started long before this year, but it's become incessant. I'm still not a Hillary supporter, but I give her credit for hanging in there. She's one tough lady.

I call baloney on the Obama campaign's craptastic SC line of hooey..that if Clinton does not participate in the SC primary it disenfranchises black voters

First her campaign has said nothing about dropping out

Obama baloney

what a load of crap

We should start a book of the month club and make this a possible first choice...

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1416936599?tag=crooksandliar-20&camp=211493&creative=379977&linkCode=ez&creativeASIN=1416936599&adid=1MJSTG8B87FQ6H3MNMX7&

If Hillary eventually drops out of the race , does this clear a path for Edwards to finish in second place?

Bear | January 7, 2008 6:14 PM

sign me up!

Dex,
"I bet all the networks lead with the distraught , clearly emotional Hillary talk from today."

I bet you're right. You're probably too young to remember a teary eyed Ed Muskie. Or Pat Schroeder.

I've got my issues with Sen. Clinton, but getting a little weepy after going non-stop for weeks ain't one of them. The MSM are jackals.

Rumor has it the Obama campaign was the source of the Edwards enquirer story.

"crying or almost crying incident was about"

She was just interviewed on CNN about it. She laughed, "contrary to opinion, I actually do have emotions". Apparently she had been handling questions about every subject under the sun giving specific examples about how legislation she had sponsored had helped people she cited. Then this woman stood up and asked "But, How are You Doing?" and it caught her off guard simply because she does care so much. It was a nice conversational exchange.

Just had a reality check. So far only about 120,000 votes have pushed Obama and Romney into the limelight. Sounds like a pretty skimpy amount to write off a whole field of candidates.

Patsi,
Seems to me the MSM being critical of Sen. Clinton is a recent phenomenon. A few months ago, they were the ones anointing her as the inevitable candidate. Now that their fawning over Obama, they need to reposition their previous stand on Clinton. Look for that to change again when Obama falls from grace.

Grammar correction:
"Now that their fawning over Obama"
should be
"Now that they're fawning over Obama"

I miss the edit button...

Obama now on C-Span 1 to be followed by Clinton. I don't know if anyone will be covering Dixville Notch.

as always the real problem is the media

http://flprogressive.blogspot.com/2008/01/liberal-media-my-ass.html

dnd....agreed. That's the problem with this American Idol media culture.

By the way, I have another book you might like -- Free Lunch, by David Cay Johnston.

Suffolk University New Hampshire Primary Poll (1/5-1/6)

* Among 500 likely Democratic primary voters, Sen. Barack Obama runs at 35%, Sen. Hillary Clinton at 34% in a statewide primary; former Sen. John Edwards trails at 15%.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Obama+takes+lead+in+another+poll&articleId=d17f1efb-fefa-4a18-8132-2ed6fd68940b

link for an article about the poll

The ABC Poll was Obama at 39% , Clinton at 30% and Edwards at 16%

The media cherry picks the story to support their narrative. You can find a poll to say anything.

The media stories today were: Obamakennedrama; Hillary is bad no matter what and everyone hates Romney.

God love Barack Obama's Kenyan granny. CNN sent a reporter to her village to interview her. They asked why anyone should vote for him andGranny said he was a good listener and would work for people. Then, in what I consider a craven move, the reporter asked, "And what do you think of Hillary Clinton?" Granny looked puzzled and answered, "This is a contest. Let the best man or woman win."

Gotta love her....she didn't take the bait.

Patsi,

I saw the interview with his granny and the reporter didn't ask the one question I had. With conditions as they are in Kenya, have they contacted Obama about actions he could take to CHANGE things?

Jamie....I have given up on reporters asking anything relevant.

Matt Stoller and Echidne are right. Male candidates can cry and it shows their humanity; Hillary Clinton cries and she's weak and hysterical. And why shouldn't she be emotional at this point? Her male fellow candidates don't have to put up with leering, chortling, oily creeps like Chris Matthews and Joe Scarborough laughing at them and disrespecting them when they're trying to run a fucking political campaign.

She is not your private bawdy joke, lads.

Oh and John Edwards? Please stop being a patronizing, sexist jerk.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/07/feel-the-misogyny/#comments

I lost all respect for Edwards this afternoon when he said he didn't have anything to say about Hillary's welling up while answering a personal (not a policy) question. After he said he didn't have anthing to say, he should have shut up. Instead he takes a cheap shot about how tough you have to be to run for president , and how strong you have to be as a president. Enough of that story line.

What Washington may realize, belatedly, via the treatment of Senator Clinton, is how disastrous it has been to give corporations unchecked power, for instance in allowing jobs to be shipped overseas, facing less restrictive (that is, consumer protection) rules, etc.

Until now, politicians have escaped the bias against aging people in the real world. Older politicians, such as Ronald Reagan or John McCain, have only rarely had to worry about finding or keeping jobs -- and benefits, high salaries and perks -- whether they pursued elective posts or lobbying, via their connections with insiders.

Now, with Senator Clinton being tossed into the trash in part because she's over age 50, the politicians will finally -- maybe -- realize that they may be vulnerable to the same discrimination as many of the rest of us.

Which could, on a happier note, cause them to fall in line behind Senator Edwards, who is the one candidate willing to challenge CEOs' obscene salaries, which have become something of a given regardless of the company's profits (and shareholder interests) and regardless of how many hardworking individuals who really need their small salaries have to be "downsized" in order to give the greedy CEOs all the marbles.

Kenya death toll put at 1,000 as protests halted

RIOTS and violence following Kenya's election may have killed up to 1,000 people, the opposition said yesterday as it halted protests and Mwai Kibaki, the president, invited his main rival to talks.

The country has been hit by a wave of protests and tribal clashes since Mr Kibaki's disputed win over Raila Odinga in the election on 27 December.

The government yesterday raised its estimate of the death toll to nearly 500 and said 255,000 people had been displaced. But Mr Odinga said that "closer to a thousand" people might have died.

Aid workers say the toll could rise after one of Kenya's worst crises since independence from Britain in 1963.

hey all, don't guess we've got a Trailspotter in Dixville Notch? that'd be nifty

just heard from cspan, they're squeezin in more candidates and gettin me on with callers either between Edwards and Clinton around 915 or after Clinton.

Look, Hillary will be fine if she is not nominated, I am sure that she will be financially secure and would probably be reelected to the senate representing New York.

This is Edwards last chance, if this gambit doesn't work for him he will either have to learn how to play golf or work for a hedge fund.

Craig,

You might let them know about the mini revolt of the women you have going on your site, not to mention Fire Dog Lake ..

We are not happy and are attacking the media. :-)

Will be watching Craig.

tt

Craig,

What do you want to do? Call the winner after eight people have voted? You have to at least wait until Dublin, NH reports in.

Hey Get Off My Lawn and Leave My Social Security Alone......

laces up my orthopedic shoes and shuffles off

Jamie:

Essentially, Tweety told Elizabeth Edwards last Friday that the Edwards campaign might just as well curl up and die, as he does not deign to find anything about it to be interesting. He in effect said that he will continue to talk only about the Clinton and Obama campaigns, no matter what Senator Edwards accomplishes. And the whole MSM attempt to ignore Senator Edwards has been well documented; for instance, as the Iowa results were announced, CNN mentioned Mr. Obama 46% of the time, Mrs. Clinton 32% of the time and Mr. Edwards 22% of the time. That blackout is shameful, but the MSM simply does not care; it feels too threatened by Senator Edwards. The MSM seems to want an Obama nomination because he is (a) more easy to defeat or (b) more malleable.

Jamie,
"You might let them know about the mini revolt of the women you have going on your site, not to mention Fire Dog Lake .."

What do you think of ardent feminist Susan Sarandon supporting Edwards?

"What do you think of ardent feminist Susan Sarandon supporting Edwards?"

It means nothing, nobody cares!

Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins consider themselves peace activists and that is their political interest.

Oprah played the race card for Obama with her speech in NC and his campaign did it today --claiming some crapload if Clinton didn't compete in SC it was racist.

dream on if you think he has not played the race card

you people are the Crabbiest People in the Political Planet. Save the angst for the Republicans. I don't think I can hang here any more with all the second and third guessing. Give it a rest.

yo soy Horsedooty!

KGC,
"Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins consider themselves peace activists and that is their political interest."

Well then they should be supporting Bill Richardson. Edwards is running on the populist/anti-big-business theme.

Hey Doots, get off my lawn!!!

dnd

ask them

I'll admit it. I;m crabbier than usual. The big storm knocked down a bunch of trees and we cannot drive out until the road is cleared.

There are about four blocks in my little hood and everyone is very crabby.

KGC,
Crabapple trees?

redwood trees big tall ones
at least we have power and cable

well one thing about Dixville, it's a good predictor for GOP outcome, but not Dems -- i'm guessing Edwards might do well in Dixville, but if Obama wins it could be an ObamaNAMI

What would Jesus do this primary season? “I think Jesus would be very supportive of John Edwards,” Susan Sarandon said at a We-TV voter-registration event November 28. “Edwards has very consistently worked for the poor, for labor, for the middle class. And Jesus was all about people outside the system. The political machines of both parties are completely beholden to corporate interests.” She swigged her beer. “And Jesus was anti-corporate, as we clearly saw in the Temple
http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/41555/

maybe she should be a huckabee supporter

Haven't posted this in sometime. You'll note nothing has changed. ;-)

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,019,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,995,000
FNC GRETA 1,525,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,451,000
CNN KING 1,440,000
FNH HUME 1,409,000
CNN COOPER 915,000
CNN DOBBS 859,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 845,000
CNNHN GRACE 699,000
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Halleluia!!!!!!!!!!!! Stewart and Colbert back tonight!! woo -(expletive deleted) hoo!!

Doots..dont go off in a huff.. political debate can get testy sometimes..but debate is important.. I'll repeat what I said last night.. Dems dont know how good they have it this time around.. you have THREE frontrunners..all of whom can do the job.. (and a fourth who could do the job but isnt a frontrunner). I've never seen such a talented field.. Remember, "they" thought Hillary wouldnt win New York.

dnd....I certainly don't support Hillary as victim. And Good God, why shouldn't Susan Sarandon support Edwards? He's a great candidate.

This has once again become a "let's get a bitch fight going" load of crap.

KC,

“I think Jesus would be very supportive of John Edwards,”

Give us Barabbas

while dnd is pitching Edwards

duh...pitching Richardson

On my way to Maine every summer, I'd always stop for lunch (with a half bottle of wine too!) at Dixville Notch. It's beautiful there..if a tad Rep. lol

Fry.. do you know what "Bar Abbas" means? Literally, "the son of God." So, if the gospels mean anything.. what happened was ..they traded "the Son of God" for "the Son of God." Pretty nifty huh?

i'm about to go on cspan now, hope i get a friendly call (hint hint)

*smacks side of cable box* nope.. no Cspan.. sorry Craig.. I'll have to listen (read) vicariously through the blog..

tylenol

you might be able to live stream

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

Patsi,
I didn't mean to imply you support Hillary as a victim. You genuinely like her. But it's a media topic. It's the topic on Abrams tonight (I quickly switched the channel).

thank you KGC! great for future reference too.

Craig,
"i'm about to go on cspan now, hope i get a friendly call (hint hint)"

I called, but the screener didn't think asking about your opinion of Del McCoury was relevant...

I think she should do what Steve McMahn suggested which is to stop responding to the media and the Obama campaign ...they keep luring her out and then moving the football and they are using the media's willingness to Clinton bash (dangerous)
McMahan said she should just run a pro forma campaign in SC and use the 2/5 as her last stand but not get in a spitting match over indies which she is not going to get.

She should follow Ed Rendell's model. You don't need no stinkin' independents

Craig -- Unless you've got information the rest of us don't, I can't imagine the Clinton campaign has even considered the notion of not being the campaign that knocked off the first legitimate black candidate. That was almost too far-fetched a conspiracy theory for even me....

Craig- didn't even see your hint but called and was on hold to speak- I thought with you then you were gone and they went to Hillary music-

I am amazed at how many people are still undecided- and many others have just decided in the past couple of days-

wow, HRC on cspan now -- she finally calmed down just now, but af tirst i thought this would be Dean Scream all over again

Craig -- do you have a line on the whereabouts of the mysterious Michael Whooley and what he's up to?

Make your New Hampshire predictions over at Political Wire!

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Let's see: Men with guns or over sixty will fall to McCain and women and everyone under fifty will go Obama. So the 50-60 male demographic remains up for grabs. Tune in tomorrow.

spike, i think this ObamaPHENOM has gotten to the point that the Clintons could be seen as denying blacks their first president if they go ugly to stop him. and that's a touch choice fo them to make

for one thing the independents are not relevant because there are no more open primaries

I think people who are able to vote for either Obama or McCain should not be allowed to vote. It means they care nothing about issues or are grossly misinformed.

lots of open primaries left, kgc

I thought after these two
Nevada is a closed caucus
SC is closed

what's open

you mean..obama OR mccain as a toss-up? reminds me of those idjits (some of whom were friends of mine) who thought "it didnt really matter who won the election in 2000, all politicians are the same." And i nearly lost friendships each time I pointed out that there were huge differences. Eventually I just sat there smugly as one by one things went from bad to worse.

'you mean..obama OR mccain as a toss-up?""
exactly....and what you said about Shrub...

I think she can win without indepdents and I don't think there are any openprimaries between now and the 2/5

OK.. caught up on what the Dems did all day..what'd the Reprobates do? Anyone in hot water yet?

i think about half of the Feb. 5 primaries are open, haven't counted them up. and Feb. 5 may be HRC's one and only shot at turning this around. don't see it happening for her in Nevade or SC

of course, Florida might have been a firewall for her, dunno. guess it's moot, thanks to Mr. Dean

craig? who do you see nevada going to?

Latest from the Intrade Presidential Futures Markets:

http://www.central.edu/publicdocs/01%2D07%2D08FuturesMarketGraphs.pdf

New Hampshire Republicans:
1) McCain
2) Romney
3) Everybody else (Huckabee potentially in single digits)

New Hampshire Democrats:
1) Obama
2) Clinton
3) Everybody else (Edwards potentially in single digits)

Republican (National)
McCain continues to climb; Guliani and Huckabee stagnate, Romney continues to fall.

Democrats (National)
Obama continues to climb, Clinton continues to fall, Edwards remains stagnate in a distant third place.

Looking forward (Republicans)
For the most part (even in Floriday), the money is still on the sidelines for the pre-February 5th Republican primaries. Bottom-line: the Republicans are in complete disarray.

Looking forward (Democrats)
Obama sweeps all the pre-February 5th primaries over Clinton, with the exception of Michigan (who lost their delegates)

whoa...back the truck up..what'd dean do?

havent seen a Nevada poll since mid-December, tylenol, but the Obama bump probably in play there too

It's the fault of the Florida republicans for moving up the primary date so they could sneak a property tax rollback on the ballot

not Dr. Dean

Correction:
>>Looking forward (Democrats)
Obama sweeps all the pre-February 5th primaries over Clinton, with the exception of Michigan (who lost their delegates)

CORRECTED
Looking forward (Democrats)
Obama LEADS all the pre-February 5th primaries over Clinton, with the exception of Michigan (who lost their delegates)

Wow Spike

I hope no one tells her that until after the polls close tomorrow, .

Every time I hear Dr Dean speak, I think he's more impressive. He was on Air America the night of the Iowa caucus..he was brilliant.

For those of you watching HRC on C-SPAN now, you just heard large chunks of Bill Clinton's Iowa stump speech...

He might have in 2000, but ..too much water under the bridge..

i know you like to blame that FLA situation on GOPers, KGC, but every Democrat in the state legislature voted for it, and the state party officials not only backed it but went to court against the DNC to defend it. really is a bit hard to hang that on repubs only

KGC -- they already know....

Craig, if I didn't have to get up at 6am, I would drive up to Dixville Notch for you. Although I suspect that with all the media there, I wouldn't be able to get anywhere near the real proceedings. I have a friend who worked at the Balsams many years ago, and I recall him saying that Joe Schmoe peons can't get close to it. Might make the 4- to 5-hour round-trip drive pointless.

Got an automated survey call today. Knew it was from a right-wing organization when the question "Will you be voting in the Republican primary?" was followed with "Will you be voting in the DEMOCRAT primary?" I almost answered: "-ic! -ic! -ic!" but it would have thrown off the results. Of course, it concluded with a statement that it was paid for by the Center for the Coalition for the Council for the Issues That All Right-Thinking People Should Believe In Coalition, or something like that. :-)

Had an interesting encounter with a voter in the town of New Hampton in central New Hampshire today. The Hillary sign was firmly ensconced in the snow that had hidden his lawn, but he admitted having switched camps this weekend. "We were firmly in the Clinton camp, but we're now voting for Obama. We've seen a couple of his speeches this weekend, and they've moved us to tears. I'm not going to vote out of fear; I'm going to vote for a dream." Bill and Hillary's comments like "roll of the dice" and "I don't think it was by accident that Al Qaeda decided to test the new [UK] Prime Minister immediately" backfired with this particular voter.

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That's not a fair characterization of what happened.
Democrats did not support moving up the date at all
and the there is a republican controlled legislature and republican gov.

once it was done the local democrats decided to defend it because the election was going to be held regardless. But this is nothing more than sleazy Republican stuff....like the Giuliani atttempt to mess with the Cal electoral college.

everybody stayin up for dixville notch at midnight? larry king coverin it live

Craig

Missouri is a state where you walk in and declare your party , you then recieve a ballot for that party. A lot of Missouri counties are one party counties. So if you want a say in the local election you vote in the dominate party local primary.

An interesting holiday with the family. Most of them are conservative and Christian They are really pissed about the choices they have in the Republican party.
One of my b-i-ls is an NRA fire arms instructor and he said it looked like he might have to vote libertarian. th strange thing was his wife and my sister told me a couple of days ago that she was going to vote Democratic so she could vote for Obama. She told me that he is a lot more conservative than people thought.
By her definition of conservative she is probably right.

Jack
who keeps threatening to vote for Huckabee just to stir up trouble.

well it passed unanimous in the state senate, KGC, and passed 115-1 in the House -- i really don't think all those dems did that because GOP made them do it

KGC -- they already know....

Posted by: Spike

I'd be home eating hot fudge

ohhhhhhh man the Balsams.. I spent many a new years eve there.. great memories..

Tylenol, Craig... Tim Russert said tonight that the Culinary Workers Union (might have gotten the name a little wrong) will endorse Obama Wednesday if he wins New Hampshire. That should pretty much wrap up Nevada for him.

Tylenol...NOW you tell me! A week ago I might have wanted to know that The Balsams was THE place to spend New Year's Eve... :-)

Isn't it also racism to believe you MUST support someone who is black just because they are black?

Isn't the whole idea supposed to be to approve or disapprove based on individual qualities?

craig
I of course bow to your superior /Fla knowledge but

The Rules say you had to try to stop the primary move, but Democrats voted for the law. What gives?
Initially, before a specific date had been decided upon by the Republicans, some Democrats did actively support the idea of moving earlier in the calendar year. That changed when Speaker Rubio announced he wanted to break the Rules of the Democratic and Republican National Committees. Following this announcement, DNC and Florida Democratic Party staff talked about the possibility that our primary date would move up in violation of Rule 11.A.
http://www.fladems.com/page/content/makeitcount-faqs/#q5

the Democratic Party of California is still blaming the Republicans

ok.. i'm assuming that casino workers are part of the culinary workers union?

the Democratic Party of California is still blaming the Republicans

grrrrrrrrrr

TheDemocratic Party of Florida is still blaming the Republicans.

also dan abrams announced if Lou Dobbs runs for president so will he.

and claire... my foggy recollections of new years eves past go back about 25 years.. we used to book a ski week right after christmas.. i adored the Balsams..

morefromthe complaining Fla Dems

The primary bill, which at this point had been rolled into a larger legislation train, went to a vote in both houses. It passed almost unanimously. The final bill contained a whole host of elections legislation, much of which Democrats did not support. However, in legislative bodies, the majority party can shove bad omnibus legislation down the minority’s throats by attaching a couple of things that made the whole bill very difficult, if not impossible, to vote against. This is what the Republicans did in Florida, including a vital provision to require a paper trail for Florida elections. There was no way that any Florida Democratic Party official or Democratic legislative leader could ask our Democratic members, especially those in the Florida Legislative Black Caucus, to vote against a paper trail for our elections. It would have been embarrassing, futile, and, moreover, against Democratic principles.

here's what i never understood, KGC -- why Dean didn't get busy working with this state Dems early on and head this thing off in the Legislature before it became such a fiasco. but instead he got into a public spat with his own state party leaders, and they dug in against him.

ok..the canadian has hit a brick wall... i know dixville is the first, but do they all vote in the middle of the night? when will the rest of the state vote and when will we know?

Tylenol...don't let Hillary hear that about your old habit of booking yourself in the Balsams for Christmas week...she'll hit you up for a contribution!

So, what exactly was Fox News' excuse for leaving Ron Paul out of last night's debate? Anderson Cooper is nearly drowned out by all the Ron Paul signs on the screen. I really think his showing tomorrow night is going to shock a lot of people.

I'll be up for Dixville. C-SPAN is running WMUR broadcast so I finally getting to see the Clinton, Romney, and Obama commercials.

Claire... i'd probably be branded as a "furrin" influence, but I'd happily contribute to HRC campaign. I think she's great.

Yes, they all show up and vote at midnight in Dixville. There are only something like 30 voters, if that.

The rest of NH polls are supposed to close at 7pm.

I dunno...and it certainly was stupid and they could have gotten a lot more mileage doing something else

I do not understand the workings of the Democratic Party at all.

hang in there tylenol. you're "extra" is my pain pill of choice by the way, couldn't handle the percocet that the surgeon prescribed. altho, i must admit that after one day on those things i was flying so high that i wanted to call up the phone company to tell them what a great job they're doing

BTW, Craig... Thanks for the shout-out in the "Trailspotting 2008" blog entry! I've forwarded the link on to friends with only a moderate amount of chest-thumping. :-)

no, thank you claire for spotting

And a note to everyone else...if you've never met Craig in person, he's as nice in person as he is to us on here. I met him at an Obama rally in Laconia back in November, and he's a sweetheart.

craig ..hahahahaaaa... man you WERE high!

ok..I'm going to watch Stewart and Colbert.. meet ya back here at midnight EST.. I was just remembering the year Stewart used Chris Rock as his NH reporter... he was the ONLY black man in NH that night..hahaha

ah yes, remember that well claire, think that was NH's first snow day of the season

wow these WMUR ads are endless, even Gravel had one

I don't think Dean's decision is dependent on Clinton losing they have already stated they will seat the delegates on the appeal of the nominee.

What about the delegate selection process? Why still go through with the process if the DNC isn’t giving Florida any delegates?
Although the DNC has said it will not recognize delegates from Florida, the Party plans to appeal to the eventual Democratic nominee for President to be seated at the Convention. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the Chair of the 2008 National Convention, and DNC Chairman Howard Dean both confirmed that this does not minimize the importance and impact of the vote on January 29th. With this in mind, the Party will continue the delegate selection process to elect the actual delegates to the Democratic National Convention and will use the results of the January 29th Presidential Preference Primary to determine the apportionment of those delegates.

Indeed that was NH's first snow. We've gotten TONS more since.

Speaking of Gravel ads...there's a guy putting up his own money for Gravel's newspaper and television ads here in NH, and even offering to pay canvassers. (Yes, actual Help Wanted ads in the paper offering to pay $15/hour to canvass for Gravel.) I don't know if he's a New Hampshirite or not.

And right behind Gravel in the results tomorrow: Mark Klein. There's your Unknown Presidential Candidate of the Week. Someone's been placing signs all around for him. Turns out he's a psychologist from California whose big issue appears to be fathers' rights.

bingo, KGC, re: the nominee will have the power to overrule Dean and seat Florida -- WHICH MEANS, what would happen if HRC withdrew her pledge not to campaign there, went to Florida and won, promsing to seat the state's entire delegation if she gets the nomination? if that happened she could instantly claim to be the runaway leader for convention delegates going into Feb. 5.

wow, who's the crazy uncle in the attic on WMUR right now?

first time i've ever seen somebody do a standup walking backwards

ok, now he's walking toward the camera. even scarier

Tylenol: The website for the local of the culinary workers' union that covers Vegas says, "Over fifty thousand strong, Local 226 represents workers in LasVegas’ casino industry as wellas food and service workers at McCarran International Airport, Carpenters Training Center, the Las Vegas Convention Center,Valley Hospital, Las Vegas Country Club and the Nevada Test Site."

BTW: There are 17 voters in Dixville Notch.

Wish I had it on, Craig, but I was on CNN at the moment.

29 people will vote in Hart's Location at midnight as well.

it was some professor guy in a bow tie wandering around an empty room explaining the history of the NH primary. givin me nightmares and i'm still awake

1 Dem, 3 Repubs, 12 Independents in Dixville Notch. WMUR says 16 voters. It was CNN that said 17.

what's Hart's Location?

Nah
I don't think she would do that. her campaign should be smart enough to figure out a stealth campaign in Fla. A direct hit would backfire.
I think the agreement is ANY nominee will seat the delegation. Isn't the real punishment the last choice of hotel rooms

OHHHH! Craig, that's Fritz Weatherbee. He's a NH institution. (No, I didn't say institutionalized...) Mix Garrison Keillor and Charles Kuralt, add a hideous NH accent (I live here; I can say it), and shake well. Was on NH Public Television for years until Channel 9 took him on.

Hart's Location is another town in the White Mountains, south of Dixville Notch. I don't know why they don't get the recognition DN does...I think they might have jumped on that midnight bandwagon later.

Nothing really ever happens in either place.

yes, KGC, but not sure whether she could even beat an absent Obama in FLA with a stealth campaign

yes, KGC, but not sure whether she could even beat an absent Obama in FLA with a stealth campaign

ohhhnoooo I'd say that's the end.

Fritz Weatherbee! i could never have conjured up a better name for that guy, not even on percocet

Ron Paul and Fred Thompson had no events in NH today. Ron Paul was out in L.A. to be on Leno, and Fred was in South Carolina today.

Hart's Location

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart's_Location,_New_Hampshire

hey gang, don't forget Huckaboo is on Letterman tonight, and Ron Paul on Leno

i see there's something called Crawford's Notch inside Hart's Locatin

I have little doubt that the results from HL will be broadcast somewhere shortly after the results from DN. Maybe not on Larry King, but maybe on WMUR's website or somesuch.

I'm not putting on my boots and starting the car... :-) But I tell you what? I'll put it on my calendar for January 2012 just for you!!! And honestly, if it had dawned on me earlier tonight that you might have wanted a Spotter up north, I totally would have done it for you. Sorry I didn't anticipate that.

Up with Hart's

Crawford Notch is a very picturesque gorge. Have you ever been that far north in NH, Craig? It really is quite beautiful. I wouldn't want to live there because it's too far from civilization for me (I'm already a fish out of water here in central NH), but it is a nice place to visit.

Me...........I'm up............not my usual state at this ungodly hour......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3lv2PAwke8

"Abel Crawford, for whom Crawford Notch is named, is buried in Hart's Location."

Craig...Your mind must be spinning with the possibilities for a midnight TM!

Hmmm...Craig, perhaps Abel is a long-lost ancestor?

i have been to Dixville, Claire -- went up there in 1988, that was the Dukakis and Bush comeback night

Craig -- Could you elaborate on your CSPAN comment that Clinton might want to lay low after NH? Are you suggesting suspending the campaign to regroup for Feb. 5?

Personally, I think you're going to get a taste of what a national primary campaign would look like. Buy TV in all the states, and do fly-in, fly-out news conferences in the major markets.

That is, IF the money's there to do it...

Don't tell me CSPAN's not going to cover Dixville Notch live.....

CNN has it, Spike.

Tom Foreman on CNN says that there are "several" other communities that vote at midnight.

what i meant by that, spike, is that she needs to get Democrats to step back and take a breather before Obama closes the sale, call for at least a 3-day cooling off period before it's all over

ok..let the voting begin.. i'm back!

I want those Hart's Location numbers -- i've fired up "the Google," as our president calls it

I believe the results were:

7 Obama, 2 Edwards, 1 Richardson
4 McCain, 2 Romney, 1 Giuliani

those are Dixville numbers, right Claire?

'the google' on 'the series of tubes" craig?

i want the Hart's Location exit poll with a breakout of the numbers on Crawford Notch

From the AP: "Hart's Location began midnight voting in 1948 because most residents were railroad workers who had to be on the job during normal polling hours. Townspeople, weary of the media attention and the late hours, did away with it after the 1964 election but revived the practice in 1996."

Still trying to find actual results.

Yes, Craig...those were the Dixville numbers. Just rewound the TiVo and confirmed.

only c-listers would be excited about a primary vote in dixville notch

Dixville is yesterday. Hart's Location is the future. We need change.

LOL

think YOUVE had one perc too many!

It's an outrage, the wires are supressing the Hart's Location results.

I have to admit, I'm surprised that none of the sites I'm checking even have the Dixville results up yet: WMUR in NH (only network affiliate); the ABC, CBS, and NBC affiliates out of Boston, the Boston Globe, the Union Leader, nor the NH Secretary of State. I couldn't even find it on CNN.com, and they had been broadcasting it live. Forget about finding out what's happening in Hart's Location. :-(

who knows we might just break the Hart's Location news right here on Trail Mix -- they must have phones up there, maybe i'll just start calling people and see if they're friendly

The only way to stop the O Train is a photo like this. Anybody from Chicago got any old negatives in a drawer somewhere?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Donna_Rice_and_Gary_Hart.jpg

got it, posting shortly

developing .... (always wanted to put that in a comment, so drudgelike)

I GOT IT! From the AP:

"In Hart's Location, Democrat Obama received nine votes, Hillary Rodham Clinton received three and John Edwards received one. On the Republican side, McCain received six, Mike Huckabee received five, Ron Paul received four and Mitt Romney one."

Oops...sorry, Craig! Didn't see your comment until I posted mine. :-(

You should call people and see if they're family, craig.. :)

Colbert's show was a total bust with no monologue and Andrew Sullivan humping Obama...WMUR much more fun...and Ohio State got beaten up severely by LSU in National Champ. game.

NEW THREAD

Crawfordslist calling it for Obama yet? McCain?

OK...with that, I need to go to bed. I'll post what I can tomorrow. Thanks for the fun tonight!

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