Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Zot.

I see him now, Sturg.

Did you see Romney in his Cuban shirt yesterday? Trying to win over the Cuban-Americans. He looked kind of silly.

Colleen.....yep saw that.....he's such a tool......Tomorrow he sings "Guantanamera"

Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone:
A month ago, I was actually interested to see who won these first few races. But now that this whole affair has degenerated into a mass orgy of sports clichés and celebrity catfighting, I find myself more hoping that they all die in a fire somehow. And something tells me that most of America would hope that my colleagues and I burn up with them.

As noted in an earlier thread, I have a Georgia update

http://theaginghipster.blogspot.com/2008/01/georgia-presidential-primary-watch-7.html

Thats just FYI, I know our neighboring state has the spotlight today. Unfortunately (or fortunately for some of you guys I guess) this will be my only c-listing today.

Hipster

geez, Craig, I really wish I could care about the Republicans, but I jusr don't. Maybe if I squeeze my eyes really tight and imagine it's the November finals I could get a little excited, but right now I just want to make fun of them.

lol sturgeon good one

OK..let's see if JS will allow Craig to speak without interruption.

This could be a morning drinking game...every time JS interrupts CC, take a drink(hey, it's 5pm somewhere...right? mimosas, anyone?) :)

Ohhhhhhh...CC is right there!!

new game....every time Mika says, "OK...WOW!!""...drink up!!

"politically decrepit family feeding off....."

lol

Very Effective.......several zingering good points against those two nitwits.......

alright!.... we're going to see you a lot on the teevee today, Craig....

great appearance..... love the very blue shirt with the light green tie.... so Floridian.....

JoeS got one thing right.... we should listen more to Craig Crawford when it comes to Democratic politics than to him....... ya... ya think?......

ps..... hope you didn't eat too much junk in that place....

meeka is growing her hair. guess she got the memo that msnbc ladies are not allowed short hair, just ask chris and monica and alex and mona lisa, or whatever her name is, and all the rest

Warning: Sports cliche' to follow:

I can see that to actually converse with those two you have to just stand there flatfooted and slug it out with them.......It does look like they have a much harder time in their quest to make the guest feel like slime if the guest is actually sitting there with them.......

Good show, Old Top..........

morning load and his pet mika

just couldn't admit they help falsely paint Bill Clinton as racially insensitive and that no way in hell would the load ever vote for Obama

and in my view her fantasy f--k is JFK

Colleen.....you mean Contemptible Brewer?

(thanks kgc)

Great apearance on MoJo this Am. You hled firm, got in a few salient points and Joe could not counter your arguments.

You made my AM.

Thanks to Craig on MoJo this morning I learned that Bill Clinton's comment about Jessie Jackson was just a snippet of the conversation about previous SC voting history, the part the MSM didn't want you to see or explain. Clinton's comments were not the soft racist comments the MSM portrayed. Thanks Craig for brining that to light. And here is a thought for Jo and Mika, when you ask your guest a question, out of professional; curiosity let them finish their thought before you start pilling on, and Mika look at your guest and stop your constant mugging for the camera.

the point about Bill Clinton's Jesse Jackson remark was that HE WAS ASKED if he was surprised a black man won the SC primary......why is that so hard for those weasels to grasp?

Post and Run.... To Work and Vote....

Interseting points today Craig, Question?? Do you write comments to compare Mitt to Bush on what basis?
Only that it would be a defeat for McCain if it happens... But I have seen unusual support grow for McCain in the last days

But how is MItt so much like Bush? Is this position statments already? I do not see it,,,
Very much NOT an accurate statement.
This brings the grade on this piece to a C+

Now off to the real world

Joe is terrible. I think Mika tries.

colleen is lright, Mika needs to become independent again and cut that hair. She is becoming Charlie Mc Carthy to Pensacola Edgar Bergen.

Mr Fry.......exactly.........especially that vacuous and vapid "mugging at the camera" and their not letting the guest answer.

Morning People.

Craig saw you and have you lost some weight? I know its not from your mom so.......Not getting enough Frid Baloney Sammichs? I guess I haven't seen you since Costa Rica.

Well, you know I think you are far fetched. But then the cards are truely up in the air at this point. I don't think we can read them for one more week.

So, I for one am going to breath deep and live my life with only one hour of Joe in the morning and Keith at night until mid april...of course that is when I come home again.

But I think that is wise for me.

Craig your point about Clinton JJ remarks were on point..
Race is the media issue of this campaig, it makes copy and makes HRC campaign have to be defensive .

nice of msgop to make sure there is a pictue of Obama on the screen all day

morning load

pogo,
Joe is terrible. I think Mika tries.

Mika tries to be terrible. Jo is nothing more than a dictating interviewer, if there is such a thing. Switching to Imus, at least he allows his guest to finish their thoughts. Hope to see Craig on Imus soon.

What a politician? What a creep? Why does she always back down from this wingnut?

And now creepy monkey mika is trying to pretend she is innocent of bias

J just brought u up again re Kennedy endorsement. Craig u r not alone in thinkinit was a nostalgic moment but it does not mean much.

Remember whose most of Bobby Kennedy kids are endorsing.

Here is my distillation of how the race issue has played out in this campaign, a play in one act.

MEDIA: Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race.

CLINTON CAMPAIGN: Race?

MEDIA: Hey, look! The Clintons mentioned race!

lol

Imus to Joe Lieberman:

"Are you pretty much a republican now?"

lol

Obama recieves another major endorsement.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4235844&mesg_id=4235844

Jack ;-0

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/index.jsp?query=fla

Clinton expected to win in Florida will Obama call and congratulate her or will he denigrate the win and sulk like he did in Nevada

Jack.....that aint Jebus, it's Johnny Depp.......

lol@LardassLiberal. Unfortunately that is so very true of the MSM.

I guess they need the poster of Obama because there is no other diversity in the crowd

I was under the weather and missed everything yesterday. What's this about an Obama endorsement? You mean the Kennedys still have political capital?

Glad to make your Mom laugh , Craig. I just looked and thought "It's Lou Grant and Mary Richards!" So , Romney was in line with Bush and his policies and now he isn't? I can't keep up with these politicians these days! I'm not jumping on anybody's bandwagon right now. I'll just wait until Feb 5th and see who's left standing.

Mika has become like nancy reagan gazing soulfully at her heroes

the only diversity i saw on the beady-eye and mika show was they had an honest guest........

National NOW has been "nice" about Kennedy's back-stab. I wonder how many chapters like NY State NOW are expressing outrage? Here is a link to the complete press release about Kennedy from yesterday: Senator Kennedy Betrays Women by Not Standing
For Hillary Clinton for President
January 28, 2008 http://www.nownys.org/pr_2008/pr_012808.html

RRenee,

I saw Jamie's post with your scarves!! I would love to buy a couple for Jim and me. Is that possible? If so, let me know what I need to do. :)

For the record. I LIKE JOE AND MIKA. LOLOL

They are a great discussion team. They piss you people off and you enjoy it too. Because I've never seen so many people who love to caterwaller.

So I like Joe and Mika. I like to hear all sides and we get a snippet of all. Even Romney.

Talk Later, Sheila

It's sad to see such a deliberate distortion of reality. Even journalists whose work I greatly admire -- folks like Eugene Robinson -- are stumbling around in this house of mirrors that has been constructed. I mean, all the situation calls for is basic reporting and fact-checking. Journalism 101. Like...oh...you mean Clinton was actually in the middle of a conversation about how black candidates have done in SC in the past? Oh, okay. That explains why he said "Jesse Jackson."

But that never seems to happen until days or weeks after the fact.

Yes, Mika has blown her authenticity this week fr sure. But I heard him reprimand her last week with a smart retort. He told her it isnt your ame on title of this show. He needed a punch!

Sheila......truth....I am happy that you like them.....that's what it's all about......they do piss me off but no.....I dont enjoy it.....I see them when CC is on and then it's back to Imus who pisses me off sometimes but I do enjoy it.......
Caterwaller over.......
lol

Joe and Mika are a disgrace and nbc should be listing inkind contributions to the Obama campaign

if you think you get all sides from watching them
welcome to the flat earth society

The whole relationship between Joe and Mika is so sexist it's sickening. They might as well just rename the show "Joe and his Help Meet", or "Joe's Rib."

She should be ashamed of herself for sacrificing her professionalism like that.

Jack,
Now THAT endorsement is gonna piss off the Clintons.

Well anyway before I take my Shower,

CRAIG, I think that Romney is going to pick up the nom for the DEMS. It hink thats the only call we can make with some easy confidence.

But I really do get the sense that the REPS are still luke warm on him. I still get the sense that Reagan Dems like myself will jump and vote for anyone, rather than vote for Romney AKA "Good Time KEN".

J is a self described redneck! He proves it everyday.

I say this as someone who was spit on by white men at the age of 18, walking to help out at a Civil Rights Rally...and am pretty damned conscious of the so-called codes....this race thing has been ginned up. It makes one helluva news cycle.

Context is NEVER reported. As with the Jesse Jackson comment. (Jesse ought to be pissed that the press is making him out to be such a pariah. Jesse's biggest crime is being a media hog.)

And the sight of conservative pundits now calling Teddy the Lion of the Senate, when you KNOW how much they hate him is hysterical. I happen to love Teddy Kennedy's politics, with the exception of No Child Left Behind, but I know the right is thrilled to have him as a club with which to pound Obama in a general.

I mentioned yesterday that I had to be at Vandy med center all day and would check in with a pal, middle-aged political type black guy. He thinks iit's been ginned up too, despite his questions about the bringing up of drug use. He hated the Robert Johnson crap and said with Johnson's history and ego, the Clintons should never have let him out there.

He's a solid Obama supporter, but here's one of his problems: he said he is worried that many of the young people he runs into who are furious did NOT even know who Lyndon Johnson was. They had no context to put it in anyway. He says the generational divide is very big....BUT almost all except a few older women he knows in the black community are planning to turn out strong for Barack in the Tennessee primary.

One more interesting comment. I told him, and I believe this, that NOT running hard against Obama in a primary would constitute real racism. He made a very observant point. "Yeah, and I worry about this -- I hope the press doesn't somehow change him from the black candidate to appearing to be the Affirmative Action candidate."

If you chew on that for awhile, you'll see he has a helluvapoint.

LardassLibera,

Thanks to Craig this morning on MoJo for being the ONLY person i have heard who has exposed the true story behind Clinton's JJ remarks. As everyone here knows I am no Clinton butt boy, but fair is fair, and what the MSM has done to portray Clinton's comment in a racist way is certainly not fair.

Sturg,

To tell the truth....I LOVE the word Caterwaller. My Grandma, "Oh STOP your Caterwallering!" LOL

Sheila Made a mistake.....

CRAIG, I think that Romney is going to pick up the nom for the DEMS...should be. REPS

COFFEE......

if Mc Cain continues his more war talk and no jobs, I want him as the nominee he will get smashed in general election.

PS I think Scarborough copies people if he thinks they ar right or poular, right now he is trying to be the AM chris matthews. I think one at night is too much.

I agree Fry. Seems like there is most definitely an inverse relationship between the number of so-called "reporters" covering a campaign and the amount of truth that is revealed.

And Fry,

Watching SOTU and DEM Response TRUMPED the Thesus you want from me. I'll do it this weekend in between my painting. ;0)

You could relieve these peoples burden of a long post by writing me at chefstonesheila at gee mail dot com and I will forward a finished master piece to you.

Hi "Sheila Stone" --- are you one and same with just plain "Sheila"?

What happened to The Plunger's eye brows

Sheila.....you must love "catercornered" then.......?

Jeff Greenfield on Imus now.

former junior speechwriter for RFK, writer for national lampoon, etc......(greenfield)

Yes LL,

I am on a different computer and for some reason it decided to show my whole name and won't let me into the edit area.

OK lol Heading for the Caterwaller area...the Bath! lol

Sheila, I know how that can be. Sometimes my middle name shows up by mistake: Lardass Meriwether Liberal.

Sheila,

chefstonesheila at gee mail dot com

I am glad I went to code encryption school. lol I will do as you suggested.

Ahhhhhnold gives his view of the family split
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/01/29/MNOSUNR7E.DTL

Sorry if I missed any comments on this, but is that a life-size poster of Obama behind Joe and Miki?

Talk about product placement. Guess it helps when your sister is the co-host.

Sturg,
Greenfield was, as usual, great on Imus.

Corey,
Mary & Lou are good, but after you mentioned it, I thought if Cheney would lose about 50 lbs, they could be Ma & Pa Kettle.

Isn't that funny, Shannon? "Barack" came in during Craig's interview...LOL!!

LMAO @ squirrel sandwich

The good news for Clinton supporters about Teddy's endorsement for Obama, is Teddy's endorsement record. If there wasn't bad blood between the Clintons and that side of the Kennedy clan, there is now. This must have been festering for some time and has just now surfaced. What was the genesis for this feud?

I listened to Craig, of course, but I was stripping wallpaper and just now looked at it. (He's the only reason I'm watching/listening to it now.)

Unbelievable!

I hate how JS twists peoples' words!! CC never said Kennedy is a "loser".

How does he get away with that, anyway?

Patsi
good post
From Jesse Jacksons interview in the NYtimes, I don't believe he is thrilled with his name being equated with a racial slur by the party left wing. He was very diplomatic which is something for Jesse. But very firm in his statement that Clinton was a friend of African - Americans.

Some thoughts about receiving a Kennedy endorsement.
It gives you the left wing dreamers especially those that miss the 60's. Out in the big world that is a small population. Here in the heartland they are mostly concentrated around college towns but not so much in the rest of the state.
The bad thing about a Kennedy endorsement is you get all of his enemies. Kennedy's slash and burn maverick style has not only made him enemies with the Republicans but also with many Democrats. Face it once you get out of sight of the east coast Kennedy is a punchline to a crude joke.
So what does the Kennedy nomination do? It tends to isolate him to the left which may or may not hurt him in the up coming primaries but is a killer for the general election. Get used to the world being plastered with the picture of Obama hugging Kennedy.

Jack

If any of you are feeling witty this morning , head over to my blog and give the latest pic a caption or two. I've got it started.

http://themitchellblog.blogspot.com/

Also...Patsi and WJack, let's not forget that Jesse Jackson was Bill Clinton's closest spiritual advisor during the worst days of Monica-gate. Remember? He made several trips and spent several long hours with Clinton in the White House. So it's no surprise to me that he would stick by him now. Just as it's hard to believe that Clinton would just reduce him to some sort of racial cartoon to get votes in South Carolina.
I'd love to see the entire transcript of the conversation leading up to the Jesse Jackson reference. Craig, do you know if it was captured on tape?

LushIsLinda,

Between JS and Matthews it would be a toss-up on who does the most twisting of words. I have watched Matthews on a number of occasions after he has completed an interview only to report the opposite of what the guest had just said. It is like they are saying, 'I don't care what you say, this is what I think, and this is what I am going to report'.

Glad I woke up in time to see Craig. At least someone has the good taste to think that just maybe the voters should have been given a chance to speak their piece at least through Super Tuesday before events such as yesterday.

As I said yesterday, in modern politics voters are no longer necessary. The media and super powerful in each party just tell them what to do. In a few years, they can just eliminate the voting booth entirely.

Fry...I think what you're describing is part of the larger phenomenon of allowing non-journalists to play the role of journalists. Matthews was a columnist for the SanFrancisco Chronicle for awhile...but that's it. Scarborough is absolutely not a journalist. But they and others similarly lacking all get to sit in "the Cronkite chair", so to speak and assume the voice of authority.

mornin' all.

I don't know what I was thinking, but I watched reruns last night - Bush's SOU. Home dentistry is normally very painful, but last night's SOU was more like the anesthesia than the drilling/filling.

Well, Craig, I have to hand it to you buddy, giving it back to Joe when he claimed you are in Clinton's camp - calling him out as being in Obama's camp. Joe & Tucker are cut from the same cloth - only difference is that Joe has gone through puberty and Tucker is still in it. But since those two great thinkers have now essentially declared Hillary's presidential run dead I guess I'll change horses and ride with Obama - just kidding.

Fry, have to agree (7:08) - Joe is terrible, Mika does try. I think she may have watched point/counterpoint at some time in her life and realized that there are usually at least 2 sides to every issue.

Lardass, EXACTLY!!!! RFLMAO

Matthews and Scarborough would be fine guests on any show. They simply should not be allowed to host a show. At least, not a show that wants to maintain any pretense of objectivity.

Fry,

'I don't care what you say, this is what I think, and this is what I am going to report'

You get a Kewpie doll for that. EXACTLY.

On to work, Later Gators.

Fry

I think it is the old feud left over from 1980 and beyond. Kennedy is very much a maverick and has made a lot of enemies over the years. He has found himself isolated in the senate, putting together the occasional "strange bedfellows" deal but that is about all. Kennedy represents a caucus of one in the senate. Add in to the fact he is a camera hog and extremely needy of public attention and you get the spectacle we got yesterday.
I guess you can tell Kennedy is not one of my favorite Democrats.

Jack

Why do I watch Morning Joe, the two of them are addictive. They're bouncing abound saying everything from funny to profound (usually in between however) just like Crawford Gang!

Top of the morning, craig!!! I guess i already missed him this morning. It takes an early riser and not no time miser, to catch the opening shot.

I mean, do you people get up real early and chat and then shower and go to work? You do work, don't you?
How many sneak comments at work? (assuming a computer is available). Let's see those hands up on the keyboard.

Still trying to detect rhythms and patterns here. My motto is, no matter how serious, laugh as much as possible or it's gonna be a long (1-5-10-etc) years!

Superstars here? Or do we all shine on? Take me to your leader! Not Craig -- the real leader that's like Freesmasons secret temple grand master than makes the blog so potent.

Awww, have a nice day.

George Buddy

Don't worry Fry, you'll be back in love with Scarborough during the general.

With the exception of the one guy I mentioned earlier who voted for Obama here in TN (early voting), all men I talked to voted for McCain. A couple of women voted for Hillary and a couple for Obama. One for Edwards. (I wore my Hillary jacket just so people would want to talk (friendly) politics. The only really nagative I got was in the parking garage elevator when a woman looked at the jacket, wrinkled up her nose, and grunted.

The country Bush inherited, and the one he leaves behind:

http://www.bartcop.com/bush-econ-chart-page108.htm

Lardass, I really don't believe that Clinton reduced Jesse to a cartoon - I believe the media did that by editing out the context of his comment. If Craig is right, it was in the context of a conversation about a black winning SC - hard to answer a question like that without mentioning Jesse.

Fry, I think what you are seeing between Clinton and Kennedy is a realization by Kennedy that their run as the anchor in Congress is about over, that Bill has become the lion of the Democratic party, and if Clinton wins the presidency, the "change" he will be facing is that the Clintons will have done what he Kennedys did not do - establish a national political dynasty from the oval office (which of course will effectively end when Hillary's term ends if she is elected). The flip side of the coin is that if Clinton loses and she remains in the Senate, his leadership will be directly challenged by her. Safe to say they are at odds.

Oh, and Fry, don't underestimate Tucker's ability to twist words - he does it with the best of them.

And aside from the cutout of Obama - did you get a load of the folks at the counter in the diner? How'd they get that gig?

LardassLiberal ,
the larger phenomenon of allowing non-journalists to play the role of journalists.

Exactly. And to further cloud the issue, their misleading comments are often given credit by members of the MSM in their reporting. When was the last time you have heard a retraction on the national nightly news. Very rare, if ever. Will there be a full airing of Bill Clinton's JJ comments? I seriously doubt it, it just doesn't support their agenda. On issues like this is where Liberal, Democrat, Conservative, Republican can reach common ground.

Patsi,
I never liked JS. There is something about him that reminds me of the sound created when you drag your finger nails across a chalkboard. JS has nothing I wish to hear and that is why I have stopped watching him, except when Craig is on.

dnd,

Don't see you much these days, but I have got some news for you if you have not bought your Dell computer. I just learned last Friday that Dell has just started shipping their computers with Windows XP, instead of Vista, but you have to ask for XP. Seems like Dell got tired of all the complaints about Windows Vista. Just thought you like to know.

"OBAMA PORTRAIT MUSIC VIDEO" on Youtube - Don't Miss It!

For those of you who still have not heard:

There is a WONDERFUL and INSPIRING music video on Youtube.com entitled "Obama Portrait Music Video by Bjarne O."
You can use the free downloaded high-quality stereo version from the composer's website in DVD form to show at house parties and fundraisers. Even people who knew nothing at all about Obama have been moved: either a thrilling introduction, or further inspiration for those of us who already know and fight for Obama.
The music soundtrack, which incorporates excerpts from the famous 2004 speech, can also be downloaded separately in high-quality.

So please, SPREAD THE WORD!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mCPwbozpIzM

YES WE CAN

Anne

Someone check hell for ice cubes. I miss Imus.

If I had an house party and played that people would walk out saying...where's the beef

It was Obama's day yesterday but he blew it a bit. Ted was at the top of his game, had the crowd going and the Obama came on, he was low key not that excited like he was the other night in SC. You got to take advantage of that. The Press is eating this up. Maybe he thought of Howard Dean's scream and did not want to go down that road. But he's got a free ride right now, go for it. This all comes with experience. Maybe Ted's there to teach him how it's done. If not this time, then next time.

annevilla,

Obama's words in this video, except for his personal life's reflections, and has been spoken by many a politician. It tells the story of what we all wants, so you could put any face on that video. The video was very well produced. Kudos to the Obama team for coming out with it first.

Political Cortex - Destruction of the Dollar

http://www.politicalcortex.com/

Thanks George

Maybe Ted's there to teach him how it's done. If not this time, then next time.

Posted by: vadaryl | January 29, 2008 9:02 AM

except Obama has said he will not run again
How's that for commitment to change

I have a question for Obama supporters. (KGC -- and other Hillary voters....please don't use this question as an excuse to hurl insults at Obama all over the room. I know who you support. The same person as I do. Take this as a serious question and not an opportunity to attack.)

Set up for question: I heard a lot of campaign talk prior to 2006 about changing direction in Washington, stopping the war, stopping George Bush, etc. When the Democrats got a slim majority and couldn't completely turn things around, many Democrats were livid. I have seen more howling about selling out than I have in years.

Given that, here's the question: What happens if Barack Obama is president and the world doesn't change? Race is still an issue. Sexism is still an issue. Universal healthcare does not happen. The international community doesn't love us. Democrats and Republicans still squabble and obstruct each other.

Obama has said it all changes with his election. What if it does not?

Jamie,
"Someone check hell for ice cubes. I miss Imus."

http://www.wabcradio.com/article.asp?id=122648

The Repubs have already picked a running mate for Obama. Regardless of Obama's choice, the ticket would be Obama/Kennedy . That is a general election disaster! Obama supporters need to wake up---stop dreaming and get real.

Found this article about the Obama/JFK comparison. Makes an interesting read.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2008/0801w.widmer.html

Patsi-
Nothing will change. Oh sure there may bet historic changes due to events unforeseen. But if Americans want change in their personal lives, they need to get off their big fat lazy butts and start to make changes in their homes, their cities, their schools, and in their own lives.

Real change can only happen when people change their own behavior. Change is a grass roots phenomenon. Waiting to see all the changes that effect your day to day life from Washington - is like waiting for someone else to make you happy.

That said, I think there are plenty of people, "who believe" some sort of miracle is going to happen if OBAMA is elected. That is what Obama is selling and the masses are buying.

You want change, then create change...it takes work, involvement, time and effort. And you don't have to wait for an election!!!!!

H20

I miss SNL :(

I can't begin to imagine how much fun they would be having with all the candidates/primaries!!

kc, Obama's commitment is apparently time limited - now or never.

An aside: Here is a change I will predict today. Stem cell research will enjoy massive support very soon. The Today Show just reported that because of stem cell research a cure for baldness is probably two years away.

For the readers amongst us, I just read an incredible review of one of my favorite multi volume historical novels with a political twist: The Raj Quartet

If you like reviews that actually tell you something important about the books, check this out:

http://www.powells.com/blog/?p=2856%3Futm_source%3Dreview-a-day;utm_medium=email;utm_campaign=rad_20080129;utm_content=Post%20to%20Blog

imagine how fast STEM CELL research would be approve if it made men's (you know whats )bigger!

It would already be approved.

Good Mornin' Y'all- I'm off to vote this morning- guessing I may just flip coin,LOL.

Just finished reading all the comments from last night.

A few observations-

Nash- I'm afraid all that hatred you carry for anyone/ anything Republican is going going to give you heart attack.
I certainly do not care for Hillary Clinton but I don't see the need to ugly about her or any Democrat for that matter.

From Sturgeone- "come time for the general election if the media still pushed for obama, I'd be pleased.....but I think the media will be pushing whatever republican makes the nomination.....and then we might be both howling at the same moon......."

Are we living in the same country? I may be 39, but don't remember any lovefest for any Republican by the MSM (not including Fox in this). McCain is the only one they seem to like but usually only when he going against Republicans. Thier love for him is probably one of the reasons I won't vote for him.

As for the SOTU- I didn't watch it, Bush's term is almost done and he's basically a non-issue at this point.

Okay that's all from me for now, Have a great day!

Jamie,

You may have noticed world markets shutter, take horrendous dives at the very thought of a unstable US economy. The DOW was down 171 points on Friday, come Monday morning the Asian markets were down 4%+. What did the DOW do yesterday, up 176 points. As to your link, i become immediately suspect of stories when I see the 600,000 Iraqi dead figures. If they use misleading figures like that what other misleading figures are they touting. BTW, the Fed will cut interest rates again this week anywhere from 25 to 50 basis points, that will also lower the US dollar against some foreign currencies. But since we are the world's largest importer/consumer of goods, they will have to lower their prices to keep up with the falling dollar if they wish to keep up their sales and revenues. That is what foreign governments have been complaining about for some time now, the falling US dollar driving their economies down.

Does OBAMA have living relatives in Kenya?

I was wondering because I never hear any talk about it in relation to the current violence there.

All this talk about change is good - it gets voters, expecially young ones more excited with the process than they would otherwise be. My problem with Obama's change rhetoric, however, is that much of the change he talks about if he is elected requires the cooperation and participation of those on the other side of the aisle. The Republicans will have absolutely no incentive to work to make an Obama presidency successful, and are nothing if not resistant to change. Does anyopne believe that there will be enough senators who have an epiphany and come to the realization that Obama's vision of the future is just what the country needs? If anything happens that suggests that, I'll be among the first to get on the bandwagon, but my prediction is that if Obama is elected unless the Dems can put 61 Dem senators in seats in Nov., the only change that will be apparent following an Obama election is whose legislation stalls in the senate.

And actually digressing to the thread topic, I hope the latest FL polls are right - McCain and Romney are deadlocked and Rudi and Huckleberry are deadlocked about 15-20 points behind. This could be curtains for both of them, and I say thank god.

Cure baldness....why??????

I don't like men who exaggerate
about the places they've been
about the money they've made
I like a man who's honest and true
You can look him in the eye
When he's talking to you
I like men who accept who they are
Not everyone can look like a movie star

If you can follow this thought
to it's logical end
You can see why I like bald-headed men
. . . ooh, I like bald-headed men

Everyone knows that it's testosterone
that turns bushy-haired men into a chrome dome
But testosterone is what makes a man a man
The more that he's got the more that he can
Do the things that make the women go "Oy!"
I'll take the bald-headed man over a big-haired boy
Big-haired boys make very good friends
But they cannot compare to bald-headed men

I've said it before
I'll say it again
I like bald-headed men

So why did you waste your money
joining that hair club for guys?
Oh, why would you cover your manly badge of honor
with such a bad disguise?
Oh, why would you throw away money on Rogaine and Minoxidil?
When all they can guarantee are years and years of pharmacy bills

. . . please don't do it!

I believe the hair replacement industry for men
is like the cosmetic industry for women
A giant black hole that will suck your money away
for the rest of your life

. . . please don't do it!

No matter how you fight it, time marches on
Some new things appear, some old things are gone
Let it move - - it's a natural thing
Like a leaf on a tree or a bird on a wing
Try looking in your mirror from a whole different place
You're not losing hair, you're gaining face
Be confident! Be cool! It won't be long when
You are bound to be one of the bald-headed men

Said it before
I'll say it again
I love bald-headed men

Christine Lavin
Live at the Cactus Cafe

Patsi, if stem cell research can come up with a cure for baldness, I'm all for it.:-) And storm, you are right - women would have demanded it by now. (CS)

Hey all, long time no see. I don't want McCain to win and yet he might be the best of the bunch. I won't vote for him becuase I'm liberal.

I wouldn't be able to stand the thought of a President Huckabee. I don't understand how someone who doesn't like anybody whose not catholic and basically looks like that he wants open prayer in schools could be a front runner.

Patsi,
Given that, here's the question: What happens if Barack Obama is president and the world doesn't change? Race is still an issue. Sexism is still an issue. Universal healthcare does not happen. The international community doesn't love us. Democrats and Republicans still squabble and obstruct each other.

Obama has said it all changes with his election. What if it does not?

Governments can not change peoples minds like the flipping of a light switch. So racism, sexism will continue, along with poor, homeless, health care, wars, crime, the world will not love us, and the Rs and Ds will continue to squabble. That is what so maddening about pie in the sky promises, people actually believe the day a certain politician takes office thing are automatically going to change. I am willing to bet anyone here should Obama get elected to POTUS and once the TS information, which has not been made available to him at this time, on the conditions in the Middle East, what are the cause and affect of removing US troops from that hot spot, I'll bet he'll come before the American people and tell them things beyond his control have caused him to delay his plans for withdrawal.

Since I have accepted my baldness as inevitable and irreversible - and haven't tried any of that silly shit that makes a bald head fuzzy - I think I'll send Christine Lavin a thank you note - she finds herself in good company with Mrs.Pogo (although I do wish the hair I had was still around).

Does OBAMA have living relatives in Kenya?

I believe his grandmother.

I don't know if my comments showed up so first of all, I'm the original Rob and I said that McCain is the worst of a bad lot.

I don't know how Huckabee could be a front runner and want to change the nation into a catholic only oriented nation.

Rob, welcome back. I think you'd find that Huckleberry ain't real keen on catholics. Baptists and Catholics in the south aren't exactly cut from the same cloth.

Craig rocked on MoJo. Give 'em hell, buddy!

:) @ pogo

Now my comments showed up :) I'll be Rob43 now becuase I see theres another Rob on here. :)

Lol hey Rob I saw you responded.

Hmm, I still showed up as Rob, I guess I'll have to sign my posts.

It's funny too, my family are Southern baptists but they are very liberal in the sense that they are repulsed by the idea of there being no seperation of church and state.

-Rob43

Lardass..... you make me smile..... :)

Patsi..... thanks for the report on your conversations from yesterday....
I hope your tests will come out good.....

Lush... you can email me at : weaver11 at mac dot com.....

KG Cracker,

Do you or anybody know what happened to Rove, didn't he quit to join Giulliani's campaign?

-Rob43

Thanks, RRenee!!

I will show up as Linda Vanik :)

KGC -- I agree with your second impeachment theory. And my thinking that way has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's candicacy. Every time Joe Scarborough opens his mouth it takes me back to when Bob Barr and Tom DeLay were frothing on the floor of the House.

well we know where Rove won't be
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/entertainment/2004150881_eye29.html

I had not heard that he joined the Plunger's campaign
but they would have been a natural fit...sleazy and disgusting and downright dishonest and mean.

Yes Obama has relatives in Kenya. In fact he created quite a stir awhile back when he went there to visit his grandmother as well as a host of relatives from that side of the family.

Recently, there was a news report where his grandmother was interviewed. At time time it was mentioned that Obama had asked to be kept aprized of any danger to the village.

There is a write up in Huffington Post today

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/obamas-kenyan-family

Rob, if your family are southern baptist, are liberal and are repuled by the idea of there being no separation of church and state, they must feel very lonely in their congregation. In most Southern Baptist churches there would be a call for their excommunication - right up to the point that the parishioners realized that occurs in Catholic churches.

Hi Rob

Welcome home. Now someone run out and get PoP and we can hold a real reunion.

Thanks Jamie for the link of Obama Grandmother.

I am actually going to see Bill Clnton today, I have a feeling they were having trouble filling the hall, as I recieved two different invitations. The first one was specific and the second, later in the day, was a general appeal.

Maybe that is how these things work. It was very last minute, an invite yesterday for an event today.

OMG...Scarborough is such a BABY....he gets visibly upset, when he feels Mika is defending Bill Clinton!!

Unbelievable...

Morning Load is pathetic.
How little self respect can you have for yourself to end up the host of a low rated cable show with little or no money for research or actual reporting.

I guess all NBC cares about is having a megaphone for their own agenda.

And he is fat.

LINDA... I have that CD !!!!!!!

Also the Bitchin' Babes. I have known Christine Lavin from our radio station having her perform at The Evergreen State College several times. She is AWESOME! I even played selections on the CD on my ex-radio program in Eschede THe Netherlands "American Flavors". "Live at the Cactus Cafe" had her last public performance about Dan Quayle and her BRILLIANT song... "We are the Republicans"...

On MOJO this AM:
JS could not resist his urge to dig at Hillary when he was talking about republicans and the RUDY sandwich. Totally off topic - he snipes " Hillary doesn't have a sandwich" .

JS is an ass. For many reasons not worth my time to list.

XOXOXOX @ EuroTom!!

I love her !! WOW...have you met her???

I have actually posted the lyrics(here) for..

--Dear Dan
--We are the True Americans
--Music to Operate By

I keep waiting for people to tell me to stop it...but I can't help myself!!

I wish I knew how to post the actual song--like MadMustard does, with music, on his blog.

I always say...if there is a situation in life, chances are CL has written a song about it.

The other night, someone mentioned something about Rudi's wife talking to John McCain and that she was "trading up"....I did resist posting the TRADING UP lyrics!!!....LOL!!!

I have all her music, on my iPod. I, have seen her many times, in concert :)

Good Afternoon Tom,

I see you have been seduced into this warmest of all political sites. Now you will never get free. Disappear for a month and we come and hunt you down to drag you back to the party.

So just sit down in that comfy chair in front of the fire, grab a nice buttered rum or something and become resigned to your fate.

**and he is fat**

LMAO @ KGC

Lil

If the song is on You Tube, it is easy to link. Do you know how to "copy and paste". If so, just go to the site of the song, copy the URL at the top of the page and then paste that URL here.

Here is one from the Central Park concert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbq-fL_PXIg

KgC said this,"And he is fat."

Hey, Who you callin' fat. I resemble that remark and I am not Load Mouth.

yo soy Horsedooty!

doots
not you of course. I am sure you like me are just comfortable and well upholstered.

Ok...I tried it...see if it worked

Christine Lavin
WE ARE THE TRUE AMERICANS

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bhDc_EEDKaQ

Joe S. doesn't know what to do with Craig. It is great entertainment to watch Craig throw reality in Joe''s face.

MSNBC has turned into a joke, challenging FOX News for being the king of gutter political journalism.

Wow...that's her updated version!!

A couple of things about the SOTU last night.
First , I really can't stand to watch Bush. 30 seconds was my limit last night. I've never been this way with any other president.

Second, did Dick Cheny look as if he had been wheeled in from the nursing home to anyone else?
Makes me wonder if his health problems may be worse than has been reported.

of course having his nurse setting along side him.......
;-P

Jack

Thanks, Jamie :)

hey load and daisy Obama was an hour and half late on Sat..

The guy from the Dukes of Hazzard who was a member of Congress..just called Mika the Daisy Duke of morning television.

not a compliment

jack, dick looked like they took him off his slab and propped him up by nancy.

Cooter calls Mika the "Daisy Duke of Morning TV" and she goes all speechless and cutely offended while leaning back, jutting out chest, and sitting so that you can see the distance between the short short skirt and the high top of her boots made for walking.

Okay, she brings out the catty, but that's what happens to kitty litter.

jamie, Cooter? lololol

Sebelius just announced for Obama as mentioned here after the SOTU last night.

Okay Craig, Is it now official: We have two wings of the Democratic Party at war with each other? Fine time for this to happen.

(she's got knobby knees.....)

Jamie,

My family I guess is in the minority but you'd think that they'd still want to keep church and state seperate

Forgot to sign that one

-Rob43

I thought Gov Sebelius was a good choice but she did not do a very good job.

Hillary is the medias choice and the choice of the establishment, but someone forgot to convince the American people....They so far don't agree....It is like we have a "state media" that is telling us what to do....WOW...

You know what I think has been accomplished? I think they've managed to kick Bill Clinton into High Gear.....I think we're fixin' to see a fine politician make mincemeat of the opposition......

that old boy is hell on wheels with an afterburner.........

Ok here is a story about my days at KAOS Radio in Olympia Washington. We brought the "Bitchin Babes" there in concert a couple times and Christine Lavin also... I actually had to get on stage with my boss and a couple other Dj's to sing along with the "Sensative New Age Guys" number. I wore these sort or weird purple/black pants and a purple headband... and there is this line about how sensitive new age guys don't know who plays at the Kingdome... she then says "let's ask THESE guys, hey guys who plays at the kingdome" and we are in a huddle and I have to go up to the microphone and say "Zamfir, Master of the Pan Flute"! Then we do high fives and sing more... I was absolutely petrified...

I've met Christine several times and also Julie Gold who wrote "From a Distance". Julie is a great songwriter but a bit insecure, and when the girls arrived I told Sally and Christine that we were getting all these calls about Julie (after her Austin City Limits performance). They asked me to go to the green room and tell her that because she needed the boost. It was a really nice moment.

Oh and if you look on the Catcus Cafe CD you will see my ex-boss's name listed as one of the "visionaries in community radio"... Michael Huntsberger. He REALLY IS a SNAG....

blah blah blah... sorry, I went on too long about this. Don't get me started on my fav. soap ANOTHER WORLD... It will be worse.

Hey Tom

Figures you're a Hillary nut.

GREENER !! LOL!

Christine wrote this song after being inspired by the tone of the 1992 Republican National Convention. She jokingly said "I've decided to become a republican" as there are no other folk singers who ARE republicans. She said "The REBEL in me wants to be a Republican"... :-)

Here are the Lyrics: WE ARE THE TRUE AMERICANS

"We are the true Americans
We are in the Right
God loves the Republicans
Especially those of us Rich and White.
We don't believe in homosexuals,
Or a Woman's Right to Choose.
Only we know what a family is
Only we know what is Right for you
So join with Arnold schwarzenegger,
and the fun loving NRA
and the FABULOUS Phyllis Schlafly
Perfect role-models for kids today

YES We are the True Americans
Everyone Else is wrong
If you aren't with us, we have to hate you
But that's ok because hatred makes us strong
HATRED MAKES US SO DARN STRONG!

Republicans"

hey johnny one note
she was stiff and not very good but in your alternate universe any criticism of your side is verboten

she sucked and was probably on drugs she bought from obama gosh I didn't notice was she also black

i

Actually the Greeners are probably more Obama supporters since we tend to be pretty radically left. But from I've read on MySpace most of them were talking about Dennis Kuchinich.... and Ron Paul... I loved Evergreen. I hold two diplomas from that place.

from the daily kos home of the Obamarama

Daily Kos: State of the NationThis was my first introduction to Sebelius and I have to say that I was not swept away. .... I thought her delivery was stiff.... (2+ / 0-) ...
www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/28/222431/696 - 10 hours ago

sometimes even people YOU like are just bad
so suck it up

Interesting chart of Liberal ratings for the U.S. Senate. You can sort on four different measurement:

http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib.htm?o1=lib_composite&o2=desc#vr

kerry and gore were stiff and not so good.

KGC,
""she sucked and was probably on drugs she bought from obama gosh I didn't notice was she also black"""

I don't care in what context I missed or to whom it was address, but it was a low based comment and I am completely repelled by it.....Its horrible!

Rob43

The postings here have the writer below the comment not above as on the other site.

Confused about your church/state comment. Did you mean it to be addressed to someone else or were you talking about the distance between Mika's skirt and boots? :-)

DISAPPOINTING SEBELIUS.

The Internet Gods chose last night, smack in the middle of the State of the Union, to crash the Prospect site, so please excuse our lack of live commentary on the speech. I had been excited about Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' official Democratic rejoinder, but her speech left me cold. It relied on feel-good platitudes over any real, specific critique of President Bush. An entire passage on S-CHIP failed to mention that Bush had vetoed the legislation, denying 10 million children health care. Is there any easier shot to take? Is there any more important domestic issue in America today? And on the war, Sebelius simply did not say it should end. Sample fuzzy-wuzzy line:
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=01&year=2008&base_name=its_the_economy

KGC -- either you are TERRIBLE at satire or truly an idiot.

Don't start talking about men being stiff... The gays in the room ... oh, never mind... Speaking of Larry Craig, he gets like only an 18% liberal rating. One would think his "wide stance" and "bathroom proclivities" would lead to more progressive attitude. Oh yeah but I forget "I am not Gay" I remember he said that at this press conference where he started by saying "Thank you all for coming out today"... LOL LOL LOL

I think we need a moment to all hold hands and sing "WE ARE THE WORLD"... Everyone.. join together now... and after the song, we will have a group hug

Hey Rez, how do you know about the Greeners? You know that Matt Groening graduated from there? heheheh

It's only January. Holy Crap.......

No writer's and we only have a few faux news network....

No wonder people are getting burned out...there is no balance, no Daily Show, no SNL........

Eurotom,

Did u know Another World's Douglass Watson was father to Dr. Randall Forsberg, a great leader of the No Nukes movement?

Here is her recent NYT obit link --

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/26/us/26forsberg.html?scp=1&sq=Douglass+Watson&st=nyt

"they need to get off their big fat lazy butts" -H2Ostorm

Yeah, Hillary needs a great new inspirational slogan.

" Get off you F..ing ass and vote"

That will surely motivate and mobilize em.

Straight talk

I just put up a new query on the MSNBC message boards about their political coverage. You might want to jump over and raise the roof.

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?boardid=780&ThreadID=544804&BoardsParam=HIPDelay%3d1

Corey thanks for that. I actually led a campaign to get AW back on the air in Washington State, using my political organizing skills to get letter writing and phone call banks going. We got it back on the air. For my political and union active friends they couldn't believe that I was doing this. But I watched that show as a teeenager and became very enthralled in the Mac and Rachel storyline. After we got the show back, I had Charles Keating and Victoria Wyndham come to ACT theatre for their work "Couplets" and I was a guest of VIcky's in NYC and I got to go to the studio in Brooklyn.

I am sorry about Dr. Forsberg. She died far too young! Knowing what I know about Doug, I know he was extremely proud of her. Now I feel a bit down.

Is Corey the "Mitchell" blog fellow?

Jamie -- "Okay Craig, Is it now official: We have two wings of the Democratic Party at war with each other? Fine time for this to happen."

Below is another of Zoey's Conspiracy Theories, but I can't spell it all out as well as she can...she also thinks John Kerry is a co-conspirator, but I don't remember how he fits into the plot...

This has Howard Dean's fingerprints all over it...You couldn't have orchestrated everything that happened yesterday, including having someone who was about to endorse a candidate give the SOTU response without the prior approval of the DNC...Watch for Sebelius to be a candidate for Obama's running mate if he gets the nomination...

Yes Tom he is. I see you now have a link under the blog roll. Most have the names they use here as the names on their blogs, but a few are different. For instance, Durward Discussion is mine

Forgive me if I just don't buy that conspiracy theory....It makes more sense for Edwards to be chosen for running mate of Obama since their Ideals are inspiring to more DEMS.

But other than that. I would never thing DEAN as a man who doesn't look for the welfare of the party....

But all that aside, Me the Obama Momma is going to remind you all that even I think it a miracle if Obama wins that NOM.

You guys are way out of control.

Corey we have something in common. Middle names!

Wait a minute... So if we were to suggest that Obama actually got the nomination, you don't even think he would look at a female candidate? How non-progressive is THAT?

Another point of view on the Kennedy endorsement:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/stephenpollard/475056/keep-kennedy-away.thtml

So, didn't anyone in the Obama camp ponder the logical incongruity of their candidate saying, "[This race] is about the past and the future." as he's blessed by THE dynastic family of the Democratic Party of the last 50 years? Suddenly, the claim that Bill and Hillary are using the power of their former White House connections to beat up on this newbie doesn't ring so true when King Kennedy and several of the royal children are lining up with the insurgent.

…Earlier there was John Kerry complaining about Bill Clinton and Tom Daschle complaining about Bill Clinton...yada yada yada.

So the insurgent is also endorsed by the most recent Democratic presidential nominee (Kerry) AND the former Senate Democratic Majority Leader (Daschle)?

Now that might sounds like an "establishment pile-on" to the average person. But, it's actually even worse: These endorsements crowd out the less, known, but arguably politically more helpful-in-the-long run endorsements by such red-state politicians like Kathleen Sibelius of Kansas. Instead, the message getting out is that the Northern liberal establishment is coming out strong for Barack Obama -- the guy who calls himself the "change" candidate. Heck, Teddy Kennedy fought tooth and nail against Bill Clinton's welfare reform -- calling it "legislative child abuse."

What does the "change candidate" think about that?

Kennedy, Kerry and Daschle also carry another "L"-word -- Loser.

Well I voted. I really wanted to vote for Huckabee but all that pandering to the religous right killed that idea. So I voted for Romney. It's kinda of depressing, this is the first time in my life I haven't been excited to go vote and new exactly what I was going to do. I've only voted against a Rep. canidate twice in my life, one time the guy is a complete jerk (a state politician) and the other time was against Bill McCollum for the Senate because he was too far to the right.

Some of y'all must be rubbing off on me because Obama does seem very inspiring compared to all the other options.

Tom,

I am still thinking in the terms of what would unite a large section of people. The Obama and Edwards people are pretty much united in similar policies and "HOPE" for the little people.

I'm not thinking in terms of politically correct.

Jennbe

Very nice of you to say so. I happen to think, by your writing, that you are an excellent human being.

Shelia,
"It makes more sense for Edwards to be chosen for running mate of Obama since their Ideals are inspiring to more DEMS."

If Obama gets the nod, I think he'd best chose a running mate inspiring to independents, as that's who most likely will decide the general.

BTW Jennbe,

The far right have driven the Term Republican and its definition right off the may. The current administration and the Rove Doctrine have made such a mutation that its hard to feel right left and middle anymore.

I am just center left and the new Doctrine makes me Liberal. So don't feel bad. I'm sure you are a classic Republican. There just mutants running your party right now. ;0)

Bowmanc,
If Kennedy's endorsement is such a pox, why was the Hillary campaign courting it so strongly?

I stand corrected dnd,

But I am thinking that Edwards may fit that bill too. He has remained polite, proffesional, smart, and inspiring.

JennBe,

Sorry for your voting dilemma. If you like, you could post your address so that we can mail you a bar of soap so you can properly cleanse away your voting sin.

And Tom,

I would expect that if for some miracle Obama gets the NOD from the people, Senator Clinton would not accept 4 to 8 years as VEEP. She would be much more valuable in the senate.

I don't see the MSM giving any credit for Hillary's Maxine Waters endorsement. Maxine is a tough Mama and a helluva good congresswoman.

dnd,

easy answer. If she had gotten the endorsement it would have been a confirmation of expectaions. But since Sen. Obama got it it has no value for her now, project that into the past and presto, it had no value then, apply that to Obama, it has no value now. there you have it spin, spin, spin.

But there is a point there, Obama is being endorsed by one of the oldest generation of political dynasties. Hey is Robert Byrd around, I bet he has some fresh ideas too.

Patsi

*snark*
Maxine Waters
She is so yesterday

*/snark*

In the NYT interview of Jesse Jackson they mentioned that JJsr &JJjr were Obama supporters but Mrs JJ supported HRC. My wife would say "smart woman"
lol

Jack

"If she had gotten the endorsement it would have been a confirmation of expectaions. But since Sen. Obama got it it has no value for her now, project that into the past and presto"

All the campaigns were courting his endorsement and quite wisely he was saying he wouldn't do anything in the primary until after Super Tuesday. He lied.

No Pogo my dear...

Not sure what you are getting at

Well Bri,

Just call me Helen.... ;0)

Sheila and Bear, Thanks a bunch! Bear you made me spit my lunch out.

I'll have to wait and see now what happens for the General. If Obama wins the nod I'll feel like I have choice between two options when I go vote. If Hillary wins the Dem nod then unfortunately I won't have a choice.

Well gotta run and get the kids from school, hopefully everybody will be on tonight to watch the results I feel like a good Cab will be on order tonight.

another great endorsement for Hillary!!! I love this lady and she is defying her buddy Oprah....Interesting....
http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-29-maya-angelou-thinks-obama-lacks-experience

Jamie

A politician lie?

I'm shocked!
Truly shocked!

if you need emoticons for this post then the internetstubes are too hazardous for you.

Flee!

Flee!

Jack

Greetings, all!

NH Trailspotting continues...in addition to the one robo-call our office (yes, in NEW HAMPSHIRE) received from the Edwards campaign last Friday, we had two robo-call messages from the Edwards campaign that came in on Saturday (messages that I collected yesterday). As I said 'round these parts Saturday night, it's too bad they didn't save some precious campaign funds by keeping the calls to South Carolina voters in South Carolina!

Forgive me for not reading all of the 221 Comments posted today (I got through the first 50 or so and realized I need to be more productive today). :-) Has anyone been able to come up with a transcript of that whole Clinton/JJ conversation? I'm glad that Craig pointed out to us on TV today that there was more context, and I do take Craig's opinion on the matter with a lot more than a grain of salt. However, I still don't see how "Jesse Jackson won in South Carolina twice" answers the actual question that was posed, which was: "What does it say about Barack Obama that it takes two of you to beat him?"

Let's review:

Q. What does it say about Barack Obama that it takes two of you to beat him?

A. That’s bait too. Jesse Jackson won in South Carolina twice, in ‘84 and ’88, and he ran a good campaign. And Senator Obama is running a good campaign.

Why wasn't it enough to just answer the question with: "Senator Obama is running a good campaign." That would have been a satisfactory answer, and certainly more suitable to the actual question asked.

With all due respect, Sturgeone, what you wrote at 6:58 this morning ("the point about Bill Clinton's Jesse Jackson remark was that HE WAS ASKED if he was surprised a black man won the SC primary") is incorrect. That is not what he was asked. Besides, this exchange happened at a polling place in South Carolina Saturday afternoon...before Obama was declared the winner.

Looking forward to tons of Craig on TV tonight!

Jack -- LOL re: Maxine Waters

I love her. Got into a huge phone fight about her with a farmer friend from the old home town. He listens to Rush and all that implies....as do so many of my home towners these days -- and in the course of the call, Maxine Waters came on his tv and he started ranting about how much he couldn't stand her. We spent about thirty minutes fighting over a congresswoman from California until I reminded him the call was on his dime.

Claire,

Maybe Craig will expand on this, but my understanding is that there was a conversation taking place before the question that you hear on the clip was asked and THAT conversation was about how race influenced the SC elections. Supposedly, Bill the policy wonk was talking about Jackson as an example of the importance of that vote if a campaign was well run.

I'll leave it up to Craig to clarify if that was the case.

Maya Angelo is Oprah's mentor. Maya Angelo endorsed Clinton last year early on. I'm surprised you guys didn't know. I heard her talk about it on Oprah.

NOW....the one thing that Maya Angelo taught Oprah, is to be your authentic self and to listen to your conscience.

Again, I don't know what gets into some people for this Tit-for-tat when its just non-existant.

Congrats to both candidates and their endorsements. Now lets get on with it.

jamie, I am amazed that no one has posted whatever video exists from that conversation between Bill and the reporters around him. I really want to hear it - too much controversy over the context to let that get past.

Pogo,

Thanks for you explanation about Ms Waters. ;0)

Willi Unsoeld was already dead when I moved there. One of the first political things I did in Olympia was to attend Jolene Unsoeld's election night party in a vote that brought her only 636 votes ahead of her republican opponent

Thanks, Jamie. That's why I'd love to see an expanded video of it. The only way it fits for me is if he's essentially ignoring the question that was asked and is getting back to a previously-made point.

Just tossing this in because it makes me smile to think about it: My Dad LOVED Maxine Waters. My Dad was a life-long Bostonian and thus never would have had an opportunity to vote for her, but he positively adored seeing her on television. "Go get 'em, Maxine!" he'd shout. My Dad passed away last year, so a mention of Maxine Waters that makes me smile thinking about Dad is a welcome thing.

Ok after my last comment, I need to log off. My temperament is off... It happens when I am dealing with Flemish speaking people who don't even know a modicum of English and yet want Belgium to be the "capital of Europe". It's frustrating.

Bye, and well bye.

xoxoxoxoxoxo

Pogo.

I saw the whollllle thing.

There is a catch 22 in this. The reporter in question asked Mr Clinton about why his wife was not in SC and what he thought about the landslide victory. Nothing pertaining to race.

BUT! If you know Bill Clinton, that remark he made was taken out of context. He was tired and the words didn't come out like he wanted to express them.

HOWEVER. In Politics you have to watch yourself and wiht the days between NH and SC, it was ripe for over interpretation.

I don't know if anybody on here has discussed this but theres fuzzy math on the NY Times Bestseller list. The book "Liberal Facism" is #3 on the list and when you actually go see how its doing it has never been on the radar of the Amazon list.

Pogo, what are some of Jackson's accoplishment's?

-Rob43

h20storm ,

The Daily Show & Colbert Report have been back on the air for weeks. Or do you mean you don't find it funny anymore?

-Rob43

BTW,

Rob, so good to see you again...where'd you go?

Before I log out ... re Jesse...

I think the forming of the national and states RAINBOW COALITION was a major accomplishment. It brought many different interests to one table and while it wasn't able to sustain itself, it did break down some barriers and created some lasting friendships among various constituencies. In Olympia WA, the progressive newspaper WORKS IN PROGRESS started as a project of the Thurston County Rainbow Coalition. The "coalition" as such is gone, but WiP remains.

Good night...

Thx Sheila :)

Sheila,

What I understood from something Craig said was that there was a conversation prior to the question you see on the tape, and that Clinton's response makes more sense in light of that previous conversation.

That's why I requested that Craig comment. to expand or correct.

Rob43 - they are numerous and tend to be about issues typical of those affecting her constituents in L.A. - she's been in Congress since 1990. Here's a link to her official site. You can read them yourself.

http://www.house.gov/waters/bio/

OK, 2 things that have struck me as funny today:
- Description of SOTU address as a word cloud (thanks to HuffPo for thaqt one)
- Rudi declares he will win Florida primary (thanks to Rudi's arrogance and tenuous grip on reality for that one).

She - is there a site where the vid of that exchange resides? I'd love to see it.

I was trying to find it myself but couldn't either.

I am sure it was one of those innocent questionings. I don't remember anything pertaining to race. I just remember a Bill Clinton wound tight and visably trying to defend his wife.

Worded just slightly differant, he would have had a compliment for Obama...He was tired.

all I'm saying.

Pogo,

I meant Jesse Jackson's accomplishments?

Pogo. I've been looking for it. Not even on UTUBE.....interesting.

I even queried for transcripts and nothing.....

Hello A-Listers!! :)

Been thinking a lot about the past few days.. it occurred to me that this has happened so much before.. remember when 'they' said that Al Gore 'invented the internet?' In fact, what he said was that he had recognized the internet's value (wayyyyyy earlier than the rest of us did) and that he was way out ahead on environmental issues (which the reps ridiculed as tree-hugging)..

then go to Kerry... distinguished war record, distinguished political career.. I remember thinking.. this guy can't lose! He RESCUED a republican in those Vietnamese waters... how can they turn this guy into a negative??" and WHAMMO.. look what happened..

So, we have Bill Clinton, who, by all accounts as been the LEAST racist candidate/president/frieind, but who suddenly is the pariah of the party.

So if Obama becomes the nominee..what's the thing that's going to make him tread water and then drown???

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/26/611927.aspx has a fuller account of the Clinton/JJ conversation, but I'd still love to see video.

He was NOT asked "what he thought about the landslide victory." Again, this conversation happened on Saturday afternoon. The polls were still open.

Rob- winning SC primary in '84 & '88 would be the accomplishments I was referring to .

There is a whole section of the interview that starts before the narrative on the msnbc page and in that he asked about the possibility of a landslide victory.

My Bust,

Still my point is even I KNEW what he was trying to say. He didn't use the right words in a hypersensitive setting.

HE WAS TIRED.....and before I personally put that to bed, don't you guys think most americans can see through the MSM by now and make up their own minds? It wasn't an overtly insensitive comment.

I think its going to become a white elephant.

BRING BACK IMUS! ....TODAY'S SHOW, WITH THE OBAMA CUTOUT, WAS DISTASTEFUL. IF ALL CANDIDATES WHERE THERE FINE, BUT JUST ONE MADE ME CHANGE THE CHANNEL AND LEARN HOW TO DO MACRAME........

EuroTom

Did you see the updated version of WE ARE THE TRUE AMERICANS????

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bhDc_EEDKaQ
(not meant for republican eyes!!)

it is hilarious!!

I am totally jealous that you know Christine Lavin!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Fact check.

And could you provide the link? That would be nice.

Ah I see you're correct Pogo. But I don't know anything he's actually done...do you?

Rob43

I wish Imus were simulcast on a more mainstream network than RFD-TV. RFD-TV was not among my cable company's new offerings for 2008, so I doubt I'll be seeing it anytime soon. I used to get my daily Imus fix by Tivo'ing the MSNBC broadcast and watching it at night.

Thanks Claire - that's more than I've seen to this point. Aounds to me like he was tryig to express the political equivalent of the old saying that "one sparrow does not a Spring make",which in no way diminishes the sparrow or it's early arrival..

Ohhhhhh...I didn't know that EuroTom left :(

I will have to repost the youtube clip for him tomorrow :)

Why is there no reporting on this quote

“He won fair and square,” Bill Clinton told a rally in Independence, Missouri. “Now we go to February 5 when millions of Americans finally get into the act.”
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/27/6650/

And could you provide the link? That would be nice.

Posted by: Sheila Stone | January 29, 2008 2:43 PM

Quoting Craig Crawford on Morning Joe this AM

Pogo,

How Poetic....Flowery dude you!

Linda I was just checking the computer again... chatting with my Friend from Italy and I saw your link. I've already posted it as a bulletin from MySpace page.

Cheers... It's updated. It's taken a new meaning. In 1992 it was far more comical, but the new version has a different "urgency" to it, if you know what I mean.

Tom

hey guys, sorry, had to get some sleep after 1am/630am/1030am duty -- what i said, re: Jamie's question above, is that one of the Clinton supporters with Bill at the time -- Rep. Kendrick Meeks, D-FL -- is saying that Bill's Jesse comments were in the context of a conversation about SC voting history. MSNBC was going to have him on air later.

Rob, Jackson's civil rights bona fides are pretty strong, having formed the Rainbow Coalition and Operation PUSH after MLK'sdeath and his eventual splitfrom the SCLC (pushed out by Ralph Abernathy). I think he to a great degree helped keep the civil rights movement energized through the 70s and 80s. He also worked with the US government to secure the release of Robert Goodman from Syriah and 22 Americans being held by Cuba, as well as 3 Americans being held by Yugoslavia during the Kosovo War. He gets a bad rap alot of the time because he is easy to characature and is mercilessly attacked by the RWNM, but he has has had a pretty good run.

when do the polls close?

She, thanks, but it ain't my saying. Oddly enough, although I was an English major and loved the romantic poets (almost as much as Poe) I first became aware of that saying back in about 1974 when my then girlfriend was taking a course in psych testing and used me to practice administering the WAIS, which the saying appeared on.

Craig, you're such a wuss -LOL (and really just kidding).

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time - Blogs from CNN.com(CNN) – Florida congressman Kendrick Meek said Monday that Bill Clinton’s words along the campaign trail have been taken out of context. ...
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/ -

Wow. Some of you really have some issues. Or perhaps you just need something to do. There's a lot of obsession and strangeness concerning MSNBC and Morning Joe.

Thanks for weighing in on it here, Craig. VERY nice tie this morning, BTW.

ty, 7:00

ya mean morningload, normal? and we'll be the judge of that.. lol

thanks, pogo..cos House is a new ep.. and I'm obsessed..

EuroTom

I am glad you saw the CL link...isn't it hysterical???

Shelia,
"My Bust,"

Eh, um, let me say this as politely as possible, but if you're gonna starting about your bust, I think you've been listening to Stephanie Miller...

January 28, 2008
Rep. Meek: listen to what Hillary's saying
Posted: 09:30 AM ET
(CNN) – Florida congressman Kendrick Meek said Monday that Bill Clinton’s words along the campaign trail have been taken out of context.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/28/rep-meek-listen-to-what-hillarys-saying/

taped interview

"Maxine just bitchslapped Nora O'Donnell,"

Oh darn, I was out of the room and missed it! Maxine is so very capable when it comes to that activity!!!

Rudy may not be Ronnie, but Judith is certainly Nancy.

excellent Tom Tomorrow

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/01/28/tomo/

Craig -- I think this might be the answer to your "live versus absentee" question from yesterday regarding ....Look for almost a 100% lift in the percentage of Obama's support between the absentee and live ballots....You can say there was an increase, but you can't attribute it to anything in particular...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/01/bush-talk-boosts-romney.html#comment-22016

yep, spike, thanks for that, printed it out last night. i'm planning to hunt for real numbers after the vote

Now, now, EuroTom... It was a channel, not a river. ;-)

About 15 years ago, my brother and I saw a man-on-the-street interview where the guy being interviewed said that he would never vote for Ted K because of "Chippaquaddick." Cracked us up completely. To this day, we never pronounce it "Chappaquiddick."

Well, I must agree that there was no reason to pile on Teddy for supporting his choice of candidates. I love Teddy Kennedy despite his baggage.

I would have to agree that his running against Carter so hard was a problem, although it isn't what cost Carter the election.

Beyond that, I'm one of those who is shaking my head at the conservative commentators who DESPISE Teddy now calling him the Lion of the Senate. They'll be all over that endorsement during the general.

I also am shaking my head at how the media is either so uninformed that they are just plain stupid, or consciously misrepresenting things. For example, Tucker Carlson talking about how Washington insiders hate the Clintons, and bringing up Sally Quinn....with no talk about that history.

sorry claire... ;-)

Apparently Ted Kennedy is the "voice of change"

Regarding Teddy: when my son ran in that democratic primary, the Tennessean editorial board asked him to name three Democrats he especially admired. He named FDR and JFK....then said that in current politics he greatly admired Ted Kennedy.

The members of the board almost fell off their chairs.

They demanded an explanation and Adam said: "Because he's still in there fighting the fight. He has never given up and just retired to the Compound. And people like you and me should be thankful he didn't."

Obviously, my son did NOT get the paper's endorsement.

Patsi - when it comes to Tucker, pay no attention to him. He's a disingenuous, snotty puke who could'nt recite a fact without distorting it to support his prep school view of what a conservative world should be like if his life depended on it. Luckily for him, it's just politics and punditry, and no one with a brain gives a crap about what he says. Why Abrams has kept him, I'll never know.

gotta watch out for drive-by posters, bri.. they're trying to get to us..

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As a Senator, I think Ted Kennedy has been an important advocate for liberal causes and I respect that. I just think some of the over the top gushing about him went too far. I also think he treated Joan like shit. I do not think his endorsement of Obama was a snub against the Clintons. He made the choice on whom he felt best represented his hopes for the future.

At least one person here acted as if Sen. Kennedy was walking on water and someone else mentioned how he "lifts people up" and that just reminded me of at least one time when he didn't lift somebody up. And then when you look at all the problems with young Kennedy men at his compound, it makes me wonder if he really is a man of high virtue and values.

Wow,

If NOW is getting this pissy over an endorsement against Hillary, I can't wait for the civil #$# war that will come with a brokered convention...

I am sure Strom Thurmond is sitting in purgatory trying to figure out who would win if there was a fight between blacks and women...loser losing their right to the vote...

"Pissy" in a description of women is sexist.

It seems to me that the media isn't giving the clintons a chance.everything they say and do is hyped and distorted. while in the repubican race, name-calling, vicious overt attacts, and lies seem to be the staple of the day and very little is made of it in comparison. Are we so used to the underhanded tactics of the republican party that we consider it normal while the democrats have to be held to a different standard.
Having gone from a blue-blood republican to a democrat because of the underhandedness and dishonesty of the republican party I will be voting the democratic ticket. But I will certainly base my decision on my own feelings, not what the media tells me to do. And I think that Mika and Joe have been the worst offenders. I am so disappointed in them. It's almost like Fox News.

Pissy is as pissy does Euro...

BTW, am I the only person here that thinks Joe and Mika have something going on the side?

I wouldn't be shocked to hear that news next holiday season...

BTW,

Craig, loved you analysis about the difference between the Kennedy's/ Idealists and the Clinton/Pragmatists...

That was the most astute bit of analysis this campaign season.

Florida primary results:

My cardboard cutout beat yours.:)

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