Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

First!

I dont see how Romney's anti-washington angle works.. that's how Bush was elected and look what happened!!

Nash brought up Whitewater. If anyone is interested in what that was about, take a look at " The Hunting of the President " ( The Ten Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton ) by Joe Conason and Gene Lyons. $ 70 million, what did Ken Starr & Robert Ray find - Monica. I am located in AR, so had a front -row seat to investigations at this end.

Anything that keeps the repugs at eachother's throat is a good thing!

kgc...

CA is clearly a state that exhibits clarity of thought, and exceptional decision making...especially on the part of any entity that endorses Edwards.

:-))

Be interesting to see whether McCain's mo' carries over to registered repugs in a state that doesn't support his policies. The statewide polls show a surge (sorry) for him. Hell, if it kills Rudi's run, I'll register as a repug and vote for him in the primary. I really can't think of anything worse than Rudi as president (except maybe Huckleberry).

Renee -- "on that day most of the voters will have to make up their minds from info they get through the media.... as the candidates will not be able to do retail politics as they have in the early contests.....I think he is correct in that assessment....."

He's spot on...If you want to see what a national, media-based primary would look like, just take a look at the results from MI and FL for the Dems.

The Intraday data is very telling...At the same time Obama is mounting a huge lead in SC, Clinton's national lead continues to grow (a lead she's held since her win in NH). As of today, her Futures Market support is 2.5 times that of Obama.

On the Republican side, McCain nationally has a 2-1 lead over Romney, a lead held since just before Iowa. He also still holds a 10% lead over Romney in FL.

One one hand, Romney is gaining strength in FL. With the stock market continuing to tank, Mr. (Hope-and-Optimism Chamber of Commerce) Romney may make up enough ground to overtake McCain by the primary....

On the other hand....As I said last week, about the only chance Guliani, Romney, or Huckabee had to get the nomination was if Huckabee could win SC. Though McCain didn't get a bump out of SC, his win there may have created just enough momentum to stave off Romney long enough for a win in FL.

I wouldn't count McCain out just yet, Craig (but I've been wrong about nearly everything else the GOP's done in recent days, so what do I know).

Dave Letterman on last nite's show: "Doncha think Mitt Romney looks like a guy who runs a seminar on how to flip condos...?"

I disagree that Senator Edwards is remaining in the race with the objective being a Vice Presidential nod.

I believe that he is intent on getting his message across, so that it will be a part of the national conversation and will be integrated into the eventual Democratic platform (no matter which candidate is selected to be the nominee).

Senator Edwards is less ego-driven than Senators Obama and Clinton. His candidacy is about ideas, not him as an individual (other than as a change agent to enable the disenfranchised).

Craig, ARG's latest poll, putting McCain at 29% to Rudi's 16% is of likely Republican voters - let the games begin.

benblue, I think that Edwards is realistic enough to know that his presidential run is over and that his message is what he has left. I differ with you about the Veep thing - if Obama wins the nomination and offered JE the VP spot, I think he would take it and explain that he was not running for vp, but that being vp in an historic presidency woudl be an honor. That would be both credible and honorable.

Senator Edwards is less ego-driven. Sure can't be by much.

I don't know how his message is getting out, when he has to wave to the moderator in a debate and say, hey I'm over here, way over here on the left.

What did he say today about being the minority candidate on the Tyra Banks show. did anybody catch that one?

"It's hard to be heard," he said. "... We have a couple of candidates who are good candidates but they get an enormous amount of attention and publicity, and they've got enormous amounts of money. The result is I have to really work to be heard."

Banks asked what it feels like to be a minority and a white male.

"It feels like you have to fight for everything you get,." Edwards said.

be careful handling ARG polls, pogo -- their last Iowa numbers had Clinton up 9 pts and their last NH poll had Obama up 9

all recent florida polls here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/fl/florida_republican_primary-260.html

kgc

"any entity that endorses Edwards" Well The Bee is McClatchy which throws their decision making ability on any subject into doubt. :-)

wow, about 4 min. 40 sec into this Veira interview, Obama does an interesting thing. She confronts him with contradictory clips of him talking about single-payer and he dodges by saying he couldn't hear the clips. i guess that works for him, dunno, check it out:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22799477#22799477

Hi Guys,

Great posting and very interesting stuff. You guys keep me intouch.

I'm sitting here inthe Palm Beach Airport, waiting for a flight home for a week and a half. I will be along for Super Tuesday. The boss will not be there until the 5th. I'm finally psyc'd . Lets get this crazy ride over with.

BOWMAN, That was a good post. I didn't know everyone was doing Tyra Banks. But Edwards was poignant if he said that.

I think in the end, Edwards holds the key.

Ok, the Hillary radio ad running in SC is a tad over the top!

Off Topic but potentially relevent.

"Might Google Buy the New York Times?"

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2008/01/might_google_buy_the_new_york.html

I just heard something very interesting on NPR's Talk of the Nation....
their political editor, Ken Rudin, was discussing the upcoming Florida primary with the host, Neal Conan.....
Mr. Rudin said that Giuliani's biggest obstacle is that most of the NYC Jews who've retired in FLA are registered Democrats..... and they cannot cross over and vote Republican....

for me.... that's good news..... I'm with pogo.... Rudi scares me the most of any Republican running..... I think he embraces anything BUT democratic ideals....

Craig,

The one thing I note is that whenever he is challenged, Obama starts to stutter with a ,,, but but but ,,, sort of response. From that point on he talks over the interviewer (to whom he had been listening courteously up to that point) explaining his answer until the time is up.

This was the core of the Clinton attack during the debate about "not taking responsibility".

Mr. and Mrs. Clinton may be coloring Mr. Obama's words to suit their argument, but on this point of his dodging tough questions, they are right.

Renee,

I'm with you. I know no one cares about his infidelities that is not what made me distrust him. It was the backhanded way he dealt his wife and kids the news. Cold....really Cold I don't trust him to do anything but what is Good For Rudy Giuliani.

New Hillary ad in Northern Ca

energy initiatives and she would pay for it by taking away the tax subsidies to the oil companies.
It's a good ad. Of course she in preaching to the choir here in Northern California

So If we had to have a republican President again. Who would you pick? I'd have to pick Mc Cain. I can't see Romney doing anything solid to Iraq.

McCain may be preaching to the chior about staying there, but He would listen to his Commanders and they would want to stabilize it Toot-Sweet.

Romney scares me more.

"Politically, I'm somewhat to the left of Ted Kennedy."

Ha! Good fr you, Nash!

Sheila -- I agree, the thought of Romney as POTUS freaks me out.

according to the Sec. of State Bill Gardner the NH recount was officially ended this morning because of a lack of funding from Kucinich.

here are the numbers from the recount

http://www.sos.nh.gov/recountresults.htm

Lest we forget a great moment in American politics:

This from the probably apocryphal story about LBJ running for Congress and telling someone to spread the story that his opponent enjoyed connubial congress with pigs; when that person told LBJ that he couldn't accuse the opponent of being a pig-fucker, LBJ supposedly replied, "I'm not going to call him a pig-fucker, I want the sumbitch to have to deny it."

Sheila....
that's a tough question for me..... I really can't stand any of the Republicans running..... but I will admit that I think McCain is the most qualified of the bunch......

ok..... some of you love to post when the stock market is tanking..... so let me be the first to post the reverse....... the stock market ended the day gaining over 300 pts..... yes it's a roller coaster ride...... but the sky is not falling.... :0)

Patsi

That reminds me of a disaster of a tongue twister. You almost can't type it without getting into trouble.

I'm not a fig plucker no a fig plucker's son
But I can pluck figs till the fig pluckers come.

no = nor

Renee

I just made $5,000 in pretend money on my Predictions game. Bought 50 shares at $14 each on the up side. Made $86 a share.

In case anyone would like to play, they do everything from the markets to politics to movies

http://us.newsfutures.com/

"I'm not a fig plucker "

Fabulous!

In SC, Obama could be in a no-win situation. If he wins - it is a loss (nationally), if he loses - it is an even bigger loss (nationally). I do not feel comfortable spelling out the reason.

TF, Maureen Dowd can best be described as an antagonistic columnist - she is not a partisan pro anyone, except by process of elimination, at least as far as I can discern. For the past 7 years she has been acidly anti Bush (her book Bushworld is destined to be a classic among Democrats and other Bush detractors), and in the Dem race has been acidly anti Clinton.

Craig - I ain't sayin' ARG polls are likely to be right - hell all the pollsters missed NH, just pointing out that ARG surveys likely voters in the party of the candidates they survey about, and in their survey Rudi is getting stomped on by JohhnieMac.

If I had to pick a repug I'd pick Romney, he believes in nothing and would be efficient.

Breaking news from the Intrade Presidential Futures Markets....

Romney has slightly surpassed McCain. I don't know if this is an intraday market swing, or if Romney's support will hold for the rest of the day.

I will be posting the full results of today's trading later this evening...

More as events warrant...

For an explanation of the Intrade markets, please see:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/01/florida-to-forecast-both-party-1.html#comment-16896

Sheila - what a thought, but if I had to choose, I would
also pick McCain. However, that only reinforces my
disgust when dem. candidates continue the useless
attacks against each other.

Clarification from Spike....

>>Romney has slightly surpassed McCain.

This refers only to the Florida Republican Primary futures market. McCain still hold an almost 2-1 margin over Romney in national futures market trading.

Craig, thanks for the RCP poll numbers - looks like a dead heat for the repugs at this juncture.

Renee, that is a 350 point swing in the last 2 hours of trading after being 50 - 150 points below 0 and under 12K most of the day. It is god news - may reflect a return of some confidence in the markets after the drop last week and the surprise rate drop yesterday. Let's hope so.

pogo: or maybe this reason

http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aS4MS1THQ.Zk&refer=home

From Craig -- "all recent florida polls here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/fl/florida_republican_primary-260.html"

Please note that ALL Florida polls (16 total polls) since December 13th have had the 1st and 2nd place finishers within each other's margin-of-error...

Given the number of "undecided" voters this year, I would start paying attention about Thursday, and then look primarily at the day-to-day trends for each candidate.

HOPEFULLY, some poll will double or triple their sample size on Friday (including evening data collection). A large sample poll with Friday's results broken out will probably best represent the final outcome. Look for that to be released Saturday morning.

The market is reacting to a rumor the bond insurers will be bailed out. People who make gigannormous mistakes get rewarded. People lured into crappy loans by a false economy --screwed.

Firewallissues, ran - can't open it today.I'll read it tomorrow.

Bye, all.

I don't think Bill is going to bring it down a notch or two, I think he's enjoying his attack dog role. But is it really a good idea for Bill to be dominating the story as he has been lately. Isn't Hillary the one running? And please folks, don't give me that "spouse of the candidate" crap to justify his behavior. Michelle and Elizabeth aren't former prezs of the US.

Craig in light of your Kennedy/Carter analogy, I'd be curious to hear your stance on what Bill might be doing to party unity.

Brian,

Could it be that this is the meme the media likes. Hillary has been all over California. Have you seen coverage of her speeches?

It's like that horrid explosion in Mosul today. How much coverage on any of the "News" channels have you seen?

The producer has a story line he or she wants. This rarely has anything to do with what is important or necessary. I'll turn on BBC News to find out what is actually happening in the world.

In case anyone is actually interested in the news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/default.stm

That's the middle east page, but you can pick any continent or subject of interest.

Craig? What did you post at 3:02. A big bug flew into my monitor and now I can't read that post...I must confess....

but by the audio, I think Meredith Viera should, as I-Man says, "give it a rest." That woman is too gentle to "do" campaigns.

Speak to the media not the Clinton Campaign
Senator Clinton was in Philly picking up a great endorsement

If they choose to cover Bill that is not the fault of the Hillary Clinton for President Campaign.

Sounds like Obama is sorry he's not married to Bill
I didn't hear the anyone say Oprah should stay home
and clearly she was doing him on the trail
what a bunch of whiney babies.

Jamie that's not really my point at all.

that should read

"clearly she was out doing him on the trail"
oy

Now ladies lets not get our nickers in a knot. I'm asking if it such a good idea that Bill is dominating the headlines. I'm trying to have an intellectual discussion with you, not an emotional one.

(boy am I in trouble now. )

I have gotten hooked on this website...it's Reuters video site...just wanted to share it with you newshounds...it's a nice break from numbers and polls and squabbling politicians, not that I find squabbling pols dull! Anyhoo, check out the vid of the Thai "stewardesses". Yep, they are still called that , I guess, in Thailand. Can a US take-off on this show be far behind?

http://www.reuters.com/news/video

Oh puleeze
you got a response. It is not the fault of the Clinton campaign. And if you turn off the crapfest that is bale news especially msgarbage
no one cares about that. There is not one word about too much Bill in any of the Cal media.

Brian..maybe you can help me....I have gotten my full-length briefs into a knot...what should I do?

Oh but KC I think this in part just what the Clinton campaign wants, I think they have decided having a slug fest between Bill and Barak dominating the news cycle serves them very well. Gets the fact that she is going lose Saturday off the top story spot.

I find it quite amazing that so many of the Clintonites go on about how they support Hillary because she can deal with the repug slime machine, yet seem to go all glassy eyed and dim when those tactics are being called into question right now. It's all a little too "butter wouldn't melt in her mouth" for this middle aged cynic.

Here's what happens to "border walls".

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL238927720080123

Dex I'd be more than happy to "de-brief" you.

*ZING*

Brian,

On an intellectualy level I'm saying that Bill was in a fairly limited number of places but the media kept showing the same scene over and over again while showing virtually nothing of Senator Clinton. They are the ones creating the "image" that he is overwhelming the campaign.

If he were sitting at home being silent, the media coverage would be about how he didn't really approve of her running or some such twisted invention that sounded good to some director.

They choose the images. They choose the slant of the coverage. From the videos you would think there is a good looking blond biting the dust on every street corner in the country except when Brittany is buying gas or Paris loses her dog.

IOW

"Ex-President Clinton is overwhelming Hillary's Campaign"

is a phony headline.

I rather doubt what is going is the doing of the Clinton campaign...according to you they control everything...

what a load of crap

Well, Obama threw down the gauntlet right after NH when he said he could fight tough because he came up in Chicago street politics. At the time I thought, uh, yeah, and Bill Clinton came up in Arkansas junkyard politics.

It's nice to see things are getting back to normal around here!

If you don't watch cable news or get emails from the obama campaign you would even suspect that Bill is a problem...in fact you might think just the opposite

Matthews has been proven a drooling idiot who makes fake apologies when he is forced but then has his possee all feel sorry for him/

No on gives an ra what he thinks he has no influence
he is a joke. People are starting to talk back
Ed REndell said he was substance free. ...to his face.

patsi: as it was happening, I said, "damn! Hillary just knocked him out!"
And the past couple days I see MSM saw it that way too.
Yeah, like the pundit said, "Wal*Mart board seat" doesn't resonate NUTHIN' like "you were an associate with the law firm of a CHICAGO SLUMLORD!"

Just like I thought, this would become a tit for tat discussion, never mind.

Thank you Brian for the concern shown dealing with my problem. At this time I shall pass.

It's tea time.

Dex you need to be more careful and not give me such easy setups, enjoy your tea.

So Brian what headline is he dominating

I have looked at the NY Times, the LA Times
and I don't see anything about Bill dominating her campaign

get your news from someplace besides
msgoboamarama

and I thought the media already told us it doesn't matter if Obama wins in SC because he is the hometown boy --thier phrase not mine.

I don't see how "tit for tat" applies.

If you remember, Hillary being a less than typical shrinking violet during his first campaign deflected some things off Bill. This is politics. And whoever said it ain't bean bag was spot on.

Too bad for Obama Leger died and the market tanked
he might have been able to build up a fake controversy.

It looks to me like the acts of a desperate man.
SC will be the end -- unless he lies about his record in Mo and claims he is anti immigration (hiding behind the skirts of Claire mcCaskill)

Responsible people on the right should speak up now
and if msnbc allows Tucker Carlson or anyone else to book Roger Stone -- I hope there such a thing as karma

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=14617&

Patsi it's simple, I'm asking if it's such a good idea for Hillary as the first viable female candidate to have her husband so frequently dominating the news cycle.

The question is based on a false premise
He is not dominating the news cycle as a whole
you hgave offered no evidence that he is.

If you think cable news is the news cycle you are wrong.

I think it's a double edged sword, Brian. I can see some short term pluses. But I agree that it shouldn't go on long. But I have heard a couple of women say that they like the fact that Bill is furious on her behalf....of course, he's furious on his own behalf and I understand that.

In the end, I don't think you can ever really separate them. I don't think he'll be telling her how to run the government though....IF she is nominated and elected.

I am taking a sample of one...me...and extrapolating it, using the assumption that there is someone, somewhere out there who thinks something like I do. The in-fighting between Clinton and Obama is a huge turnoff for me. Had I chosen either of them as my #1 candidate, I would now be reconsidering...and Edwards be coming up on the outside to overtake them and win my vote. Wonder how many others are having similar thoughts?

and for the 800th time
she wasn't home baking cookies
she was out campaigning and answering questions
not going deaf on the Today Show.

Bill Clinton is the most popular politician in the world
This is just a push by Obama to try to damage an advantgage. And doing it in a very sexist way.

If Bill and Hill were brother and sister...what would people be saying.

OT, but very cool

Entrepreneur Unveils New Tourist Spacecraft
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/science/space/23cnd-spaceship.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Besides, there is an easy cure for Bill "dominating" the campaign ... Stop asking him if he is dominating the campaign. Stop discussing if he is dominating the campaign. Stop bringing in pundits to opine on how he is dominating the campaign. Don't ask Obama if Bill is dominating the campaign. Stop publishing push polls on the network pages ... "Is Bill Clinton dominating the campaign?"

And easiest of all: Ask the candidates about the issues and talk about that!

Correcting my omission...

"and Edwards WOULD be coming up on the outside"

But mine can't hold a candle to kgc's...you know, the one about Oprah doing someone on the trail! Oy, indeed! I'm still laughing....

Wow patsi, finally something you and I agree on! It could get out of hand if not brought to end soon.

And I call baloney on that whole ex president things
since when is there a rule book
get over it.

Shall we examine the behavior of ex presidents
For Example I think a lot of people wish Gerald Ford had spoken out on the invasion of Iraq. And a lot of people wish Jimmy Carter would shut up.

Each ex president gets to do what they want. There are no rules. That is a craptastic argument

"If Bill and Hill were brother and sister...what would people be saying.

"If Bill and Hill were brother and sister...what would people be saying."

Jack Kennedy used his mom and all the sisters almost 50 years ago. Then there was that wife of his. She was turning up everywhere you looked.

It wouldn't matter what they did..it would be wrong.
If he didn't campaign --the media would say he can;'t stand the idea of being overshadowed...so he isn't doing enough.

Oy, indeed! I'm still laughing....

Posted by: harborwoman | January 23, 2008 6:41 PM

I could not type that correction fast enough.

"If Bill and Hill were brother and sister...what would people be saying."

Well he is from Ark after all!

HW

Whatever it takes to get elected. lol

Edwards on KO tonight

Brian....I did have another thought. Of course, I just finished a glass of wine so....

Bill and Hill may be doing exactly what Obama tried to do with the Reagan comments -- play to a specific crowd. In Obama's case it was indies and disaffected Repubs who still love Ronnie. Bill is still a widely liked figure among the Dem base. I know this because despite what it seems right now, I've been critical of his center politics over the years. And I've had even very liberal Democrats defend him rabidly. ESPECIALLY now after the George W years.

It's possible that they aren't worried about what Obama supporters think or what the media thinks. They are reminding the base that Bill was their boy.

As I said, that could be Chardonnay-induced thinking....

And by the way, there is one thing you and I always agreed on no matter how loud it got: Elizabeth Edwards is Queen of the World.

Bill is just being Bill
When he attacked Chris Wallace last year
everyone thought it was just fine and wished others would do it more.

The only people complaining are other campaigns

I agree with you about Barak's Reagan remark, and there is truth in what he said about Reagan. Reagan seized the mood of the mood of the country and rode it to success. One can use Reagan as a political role mode without accepting his agenda.

I question the wisdom of having Bill going after Barak in such a bull dog like fashion. I don't think it ultimately serves Hillary well and doesn't do well for party unity.

As my company used to say back in the day:

"Confront the issue , not the person."

Maybe if Hillary and Obama confronted issues instead of each other we could all feel better about this campaign?

Corey,

Both of them are out on the campaign trail speaking about the issues. Of course, unless you are actually in the room with them, you probably won't hear word one about it.

"Maybe if Hillary and Obama confronted issues instead of each other we could all feel better about this campaign?"

Totally agree, Corey. But over the years I've noticed that issues confrontations almost always end up sounding personal.

Well , I guess that I didn't know that from reading posts here.

I feel fine,a bout it, Corey. I'm for Edwards.

kgc...Laughing again that you couldn't correct that post fast enough. How rumors get started, huh?

Jon Stewart: "Oh my god, they're fighting over issues!"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/23/stewart-on-cnn-debate-cov_n_82902.html

harborwoman
It might be fun to start a rumor. Hmmmmmmm,

Okay...kgc...

Oprah was doing who on the campaign trail???

Nah...we better not. Oprah could crush us like bugs!

yeah where was Stedman

Stedman! That must be who she was doing on the campaign trail!

harborwoman
did you see the Producers the first movie with Zero Mostel....there is a very funny scene with the phrase squash you like a bug...

"Oprah could crush us like bugs!"

And she will soon have her own network!!

We are doomed!!

kgc...Haven't seen that version of The Producers. I'll have to check it out sometime.

lol @ Jamie...I'd almost forgotten that!

Obama just claimed his supporters will not vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the nominee

John Edwards is a typical "good ole boy"...thinking that he is the only candidate who can win in NOV.

After seeing JE on Letterman, I know I cannot vote for him(JE). I couldn't possibly vote for a man who uses more hair product than I do...LOL!!

God damn John was good tonight on KO. If he can stand up to Billo how could anyone doubt he could stand up to the GOP!

:)

Why Linda? Hillary is constantly telling us she's the only one who can deal with the GOP slime machine. How is that any difference from what Edwards says?

Ahhhhhhhh...there's Craig. I missed him on Morning Joe. :(

What was the gas reference that Shuster made about Craig, when DS, Willie and MJ were talking about the foot mint spray in Japan?

if john edwards can't carry South Carolina (his home state btw) he won't be the democratic candidate in the general election it is my belief.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Ok, Now that Oprah has been mentioned often tonight my question is, Where the hell did she go? It is like they cancelled her show. Did she decide that supporting Obama was too contraversial and was going to hurt her ratings. What happened?

Brian

I am thinking that JE is actually saying that a woman or a black man will not be able to win...that he is the great white(man)hope.

"I may be wrong, but I doubt it".
--Charles Barkley

Edwards is a free man, now that he is so far down in the polls he has nothing to lose, he can say anything he wants. It actually may make him more appealing, but probably not more electable.

That's quite a charge Linda, shame for you it's not backed up by fact. But you go right ahead and keep telling yourself it's about that and his hair.

Damn! I had a business-related call I had to take and missed Craig on KO. What was said?

Craig on KO: "Republicans are running out of cash."

What kind of a weird parrallel universe have we wandered into?

Bush's parallel universe nash!

Damn. I looked up "parallel" in the dictionary and I still spelled it wrong. (Typo.)

"But you go right ahead and keep telling yourself it's about that and his hair. "
______

Thank you, Brian, for giving me permission to have my own opinions. :)

Nash don't you firefox? It spell checks as you type.

Craig, KO spoke about his Keith number after citing polls. Earlier today, I posted the Keith number for Arizona's latest polls. Why don't we (CLers) check out our local polls, figure out the Keith number, and you pass them along to KO. I think Keith is onto something very important: factoring in the margin of error AND the undecideds. Mobilize your contacts from this list!

Republicans are running out of cash.

So is the company I work for. Message from management: "Business As Usual"

They need to put the "touch" on some of those Indian casinos. Oh, I forgot, been there done that, got indicted.

Hey linda I would never deny anyone the right to be wrong or say something lacking in fact and down right dumb.

ROTFLMAO @ Brian!!

Relax...

Boy obama is running a lot of ads on MSNBC.

In honor of John Edwards on KO tonight, the next time you want to donate some money please consider the National Veterans Foundation:

www.nvf.org

re: McCain in FL. Craig's comments above are, as usual, very insightful.

I find it very hard to understand why Republicans prefer one of their candidates over another. It's like trying to figure out which serial killer a bunch of mental patients would admire the most.

Ok Brian,

Even though you are most likely to be caught in his bed over those of the other candidates, I will now vote for your Ken doll, the only adult left in the race.

Brian: Firefox? Nah. I live under the iron fist of chairman Gates.

I demand to know what happened to Oprah. Why is she not helping?

Well, JE certainly has "Ken doll" hair...LOLOL!!

Proof that there is no order or justice in the universe... Heath Ledger is dead, and Rush Limbaugh is not.

I'm still trying to figure out why Oprah will crush us like bugs.

bowmanc
Here's what I think about Oprah.
The Obama campaign was counting on her appeal to court women. It did not work.

In SC Oprah was the first person to say vote for Obama because he is black.

I think there was a lot of good press and crowds but I don't think women made a wholesale switch and it ended up making him a black candidate.

It was really a not new endorsement. She in my view made him a contender,. but I think she had brought him all the support she could.

Hah, David Shuster on Abrams is talking about Hillary's role in Whitewater. Yeah, she avoided indictment but she WAS involved.

I am vindicated.

And no, Whitewater is NOT "ancient history." The Republicans will use it again.

Rudy Giuliani is on Larry King and just said as mayor of nyc he has more foreign policy experience than any president from the last fifty years

david shuster is no longer an unbiased reporter
he is a huckabee suckup and a liar

"I find it very hard to understand why Republicans prefer one of their candidates over another. It's like trying to figure out which serial killer a bunch of mental patients would admire the most. "

Yes...like picking your favorite Menendez brother.

RE: Nash and Whitewater

Nash....this is such a crock. Compared to 90% of the business deals that go down Whitewater was Go Fish. You bought the package, pal. Thank God you never met Jim Jones.

Glen Beck is analyzing why Thompson's campaign failed. Talk about beating a dead horse...

Over on Fox, Romney is joking around with Hannity.

(Got to keep track of what the enemy is up to.)

Hooray for you Craig! You're in the middle of a primary.

tt

Nash get with the program

www.firefox.com

The current administration's 935 lies.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Default.aspx?src=home&context=overview&id=945

tt

Patsi: I read about Whitewater, and all the other Clinton dirty laundry for years in the "NY Times. " Dozens of in-depth articles, not Republican talking points. The Clintons are dirty, but they know how to avoid indictments.

It's like saying that you smoked grass, but didn't inhale. That's too clever for me.

But, as politicians, the Clintons are not very dirty, just average dirty.

935 seems way too low(but that is just my opinion and I am probably wrong... ;)

LL, it doesn't include the almost lies, suggested lies, etc.

http://patterns2.blogspot.com/

tt

Brian: I downloaded Firefox. (Free). You are right. It has spellcheck.

This is great. Thanks.

But it's telling me spellcheck is not a word.

I love irony.

nash, i gotta agree with brian...firefox makes everything so much more enjoyable...so easy to install...for me, it's like this: without HBO and Firefox...what's the point in living?

I think we can just assume, at this point, that EVERYTHING that any member of the Bush administration says, is a lie.

According to some commentators, Bill Clinton has "gotten into Obama's head ". That is a bad sign. He is just not tough enough, at least not yet. Like Andrew Young said, " Barack Obama is ready to be President - in 8 years ". I am concerned about what the Repubs would do in the general.

Dexter. I canceled HBO when they raised their rates.

As for Firefox, Bill Gates has probably dispatched a black helicopter for me . If I disappear, you'll know why.

I think it's landing in the backyard.

You must take the ring into Mordor. Do not morn for me....

Arrggghhh.

......I love being home.....sigh.........

nach do you have a VW Microbus??

tt

nash, good work. Firefox is much faster than IE.

Did you ever have a VW microbus?

Or was that you, Dex, in the pic?

tt

GORDO

my prediction is a win for Clinton/Obama in 08!!

Of course, I am probably wrong...LOL!!!

**with Obama taking over in 8 years

Lord of the rings parody, god nash you're such a nerd!

Yeah, there was some confusion about who had the VW bus, in the C-Lister video. RRenee said it is Dexter, I think.

LL and someone else said it's nash.

Looks like the black helicopter got nash.

tt

Ed Schultz: Bill Clinton is Lying!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-X9tEOp19o

Bill Clinton lying??? No way Ed, not Bill Clinton. You just don't understand what the meaning of is, is.

"It's like saying that you smoked grass, but didn't inhale. That's too clever for me. "

Ig'nert. and I say again...IG'NERT. I admit to trying a few drugs....but I will tell you that -- even as a smoker -- for some reason, pot makes me cough. So while I'll admit to trying speed and coke in my youth.....pot choked me up so bad I couldn't inhale. Doesn't mean Bill choked up...I'm just sayin' -- I am a poster child that he could have been right.

But this whole white male hatred for Clinton for a few comments or pecadillos is very bizarre. For you to get down to these stupid right wing attack points while this country is going down the tubes -- Jeez!

I just don't get it. I honest to God think some men would rather ignore Bush's crimes while beating a blow job over Clinton's head.

Explain to me why you -- and you claim to be a Democrat - do you so hate Bill Clinton?

As a long time woman....I gotta tell you it does make me wonder....

you're right, tiptoe

LOL @ "Looks like the black helicopter got nash."

Edwards jabs Hillary for leaving SC.

Edwards packs his bags and is seen sneaking out of the Motel 6 to heads home where he can lick his wounds after a disgraceful showing in SC. While Hilary sweeps Super Tuesday. Go Big Hill!!!

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080123/D8UBRQDG0.html

Patsi who are you talking to? Are yu saying not being fond of bill makes one a bad Democrat?

One final thought on middle aged men freaking about Bill Clinton's sex life. They appear to be one of two types: guys who screwed around on their own wives, up to and including serving divorce papers to a spouse when she is coming out of cancer surgery....or guys who couldn't get laid in high school.

In S. Carolina, It’s Obama vs. Clinton. That’s Bill Clinton.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/us/politics/22clinton.html?_r=1&ei=5090&en=75b41812ad90fbd7&ex=1358744400&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1201129731-sQaYh2siujux3hx/ujUCEA&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

Bad news for Obama. Cold and rain called for in SC this coming Saturday.

No Brian, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that I don't hear anyone talking about some of Clinton's centrist policys or caving to the Repubs....just that he lied about sex. That smacks of the same mentality that screams about abortion or gay marriage...OH MY GOD!!!!! ....just searching on a mindless level for some crap.

"I admit to trying a few drugs....but I will tell you that -- even as a smoker -- for some reason, pot makes me cough"

Kindred Spirit!!! I thought I was the only person in the universe who had a negative reaction ... even the smell makes me turn a little green. Here I am a certified member of the boomer generation, flower power and all, and I can't smoke pot.

Craig on track with todays article....
Mitt will gain and continue to win Florida unless something tirps him up.... McCain Cann't, Rudy is rusty....
PING FOR MITT

HRC will take the Dem...

Then it will be Mitt vs HRC !!

Bill Clinton had allergy problems when he was young. The pot incident occurred when he was a student in England. He did not want to appear " square " to the other guys, so he just pretended. Any kind of smoke made him cough.

Patsi

Folks who don't believe Clintons dope smoking story never paticipated in the great gatherings. Where we gathered in someones living room. passed a joint and did stoned philosophy. For me it was at the end of the hippie movement in the early 70's and a few die hard back to the land communal folks who survived until Reagan ruined everything.
I can remember what Clinton discribed happening a lot. It usually irritated me because they were wasting my good smoke.
I believe Clinton. He fits the classic mold for that type. He wanted to hang out and join in the bull sessions that always occurred when a bunch of hippies got high. He wanted to be accepted. But he was small town Arkansas and smoking grass was wrong. So he faked it to be one of the group. Thats his personality

Jack

so fry
which gooper loser did you support last week

grandpa fred seems sbout your speed

Oh Patsi I've waxed rather unpoetically about "don't ask" on more than one occasion.

would you have preferred all the gays in the military be expelled.,,,that was the choice

Ping Pong

I hope your right

I'd love to run a campaign against the Mittster.

I can see the ad now

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Famous Mass. politicians
Dukakas in the tank, a fat Ted Kenndy ,

then find a picture of the Mittster hugging Kennedy and Kerry

Final caption
VOTE LIBERTARIAN
ENOUGH SAID?
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Jack

Sam Nunn is responsible for Don't ask don't tell

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/solomon/background.html#history

the same Sam Numm currently pimping for Bloomberg

No Katy that was not the choice, that was the sell out!

Now why don't you try rationalize his welfare reform for me now. I'd hardly call the Clinton years a liberal victory.

nash said this, "But it's telling me spellcheck is not a word.

I love irony."

Nash it is right the words are Spell Check not spellcheck

yo soy Horsedooty!

Patsi,

I used to work for a right wingnut that lived in Atlanta. We traveled for a living and when he was out of town and together he would always make me drive down the road where the whores were looking for a blow job. When Clinton got caught with Monica he was indignant. He fooled around with one of the women at work and when he went to tell his wife he wanted a divorce the "other woman" said hey big boy this is just sport fucking and no way am I getting married again. He had to crawl back to the wife and beg for forgiveness. He is now on a damn short leash now.

yo soy Horsedooty!

I recall hearing at the time of the Republican National Convention in NYC four years ago that hookers were flocking to New York because the Repugs were notorious for giving them tons of business. Long live conservative family values!

well Brian that is the history of the issue
and those are the facts

and nice try to pivot but you claim alot but offer not facts

anti clinton robo calls in SC
quite strange
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/005113.php

Here's a fact for you Bill could have with the stroke of a pen lifted the ban on gays, but he didn't have the political stones to do it and betray one of the groups who had been his most ardent supporters in the party. Gay's like many others fell victim to his hollow charm.

All day people have been talking about Bill Clinton being so nasty, but every clip i've seen he's been quiet, reasonable (yes, critical, but THAT's what a campaign is).. what IS the big deal??

Here's the lastest from the Intrade Presidential Futures Market....

http://www.central.edu/publicdocs/01%2D23%2D08FuturesMarketGraphs.pdf

Democrats....Not much change...Obama has overwhelming support in SC. Despite his wins in Iowa and his current lead in SC, nationally he increasingly trails Clinton.

Republicans....Romney made big gains in Florida today, and was able to hold them. He and McCain are effectively tied there. McCain still holds a lead nationally, but the distance between him and Romney gets smaller everyday.

For an overview of Intrade Presidential Futures Markets, please see:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/01/florida-to-forecast-both-party-1.html#comment-16896

it's true what brian wrote...bill clinton may have been very popular with African Americans, but generally speaking, he left the gays holding the bag.
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Somehow Sheila got mixed up and thought the guy with the Blue Heeler on the leash , and standing in the snow by the VW bus was nash.
For the record, that dog is my daughter's dog. The bus has been mine since 1995...I still have it.
The man holding the leash , standing by the bus, is the pilot of the UFO that Dennis Kucinich saw.

And lets not forget the ever popular Defense of Marriage Act. Or as I like to think about it, toss your supporters under the train so you can toss your opposition a bone.