Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

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The second column down has a great description of happenings at the Nevada caucus from the standpoint of a math teacher. It would seem that the ability to figure out percentages might come in handy.

Craig, Did you see your cow from the last thread? Unfortunately, while it has the glasses, it is still smoking.

Oops, Math Blog is http://zenoferox.blogspot.com/

Cow blog is http://bagwine.blogspot.com/

so, Craig, will load mouth allow you back on his show? It was not a pretty dust up but thank you for attempting to bring the conversation back to where it needs to be.

yo soy Horsedooty!

and.....My Two cents and I will shout this until the cows come home.

The Media injected it in the first place and both campaigns have reacted to it.

Thank Goodness Clyburn and the rest calmed the Clintons and the Obamas down with and realism concern for the party and our young people

Thanks for finally making me think I'm not crazy. You can make a lot of claims about the Clintons, but racist? I never bought that and I always wondered how any of what they said was racist. In fact the most racist thing I've heard so far came from Michelle Obama when she said "Their ain't no black people in Iowa". I realize who her audience was when she was speaking, and I know what she meant by it. But I can't stop thinking about the uncontrolled dive in the polls Hillary would have taken if Bill had told a country club in Kansas that 'Their ain't no white people in Georgia. Really doesn't seem like we're getting unbiased equal coverage on anything this political season.

What's with the COW comments? Did I inadvertantly use a CC Cow as my logo? I gotta plead ignoprance. Anyway, you made my morning Craig. Cheers...and Jamie, Hiya.

Thank you so much for sticking up for democrats and the Clintons today on Morning Joe as the media continues to ignore the truth and shill for Obama...It is very sad to watch the media so controlled...You are indeed a refreshing change of pace.....Keep up the good work.....

Craig:

You ROCKED on MoJo!

The way Obama supporters cry racism any time his resume or record is challenged will cost him the election.

Matt Man

It goes to the Imus show. When he went back on the air on RFD cable (a rural channel where Imus is followed by cow auctions). Craig remarked on Imus one day, that he found himself watching "Just one more cow" after the Imus show was over.

This has since become a synonym for something you are doing instead of what you should be doing and has now shown up all over. The other day Imus challenged the Sport commentator to get "One More Cow" into coverage of the football game without it sounding phony. So for the first time "One More Cow" was heard on national network channels.

Your newest Cow sort of looks like Craig except that he has given up smoking (Craig not the cow).

wait a sec.. i'm not so sure the media is shilling for Obama... they just like to lead the parade of a-holes..

Craig, Keep being the voice of reason and truth. Now you are seeing what the rest of us see in these political campaigns when we are not part of the press.

Jochi sounds like a hit and run troll

i think sometimes..same poster..different name..

Ty,

Your gut may be right.

and it works.. cos then suddenly we're all talking about race again.. this isnt about race.. never has been.. Obama's a fabulous candidate, so's Hillary, so's John.. just doesnt matter..

Craig if you don't understand how the entire cocaine thing isn't being used to invoke a racial stereotype I guess you don't have much insight into human nature. I suppose if a candidate was running against a jew and repeatedly kept saying "Well I certainly don't believe the jews killed christ" you wouldn't see that as being anti-semetic.

I think it maybe time to add "clinton apologist" to your resume.

Sheila....
I understand that you might not have liked what joeCHI posted..... but he has been posting here on and off since CQ became our new home..... he is not a troll..... but probably isn't an Obama supporter.....

Craig..... thanks for posting that video..... real life has intruded for the last few weeks and I haven't seen as many of your appearances as I'd like to.....
great insights!.....

good work, craig.. someone had to say it..

" Michelle Obama when she said "Their ain't no black people in Iowa""

Remember how much flak Hillary got for saying "I aint in no way tired" (the title of the hymn), but she was playing the race card.

I don't think either Michelee or Hillary were playing "The Race Card" as the media describes it. I think they were two women speaking intimately to the understanding of the crowd they were addressing.

Were both remarks a mention of race? Sure. Was either remark meant as a slap at race of the other campaign? I doubt it.

What was wrong was that Hillary caught hell from the media who didn't so much as squeek at Michelle. Sometimes the suspect is innocent.

Gotcha Jamie, thanks. And yeah, I guess it does look kinda like Crawford. Cheers!!

was the second blow for Giuliani's campaign. Last month, South Carolina Treasurer Thomas Ravenel, the state chairman for Giuliani's campaign, was indicted on federal cocaine charges. E-

and I believe he will be sentenced on Tuesday.

now drugs are off limits...I guess someone needs to tell almost justice ginsberg that talking about drugs is racist

People talk about Shrub's cocaine use all the time.

Craig, Caught your back and forth this am on msnbc. you are right on the money. The Clinton Attack Machine is alive and well. With that toothless-Barnicle, and that pretty-boy floyd-Joe Joe Scarbourgh running off at the mouth, constantly, u almost need a bottle of Pepto to keep up!!! But they are feeding right into the hands of the Clintons!!! Go Bubba!!!!

Results 1 - 10 of about 425,000 for cocaine and George W Bush

Well done Craig. Joe was not happy with you at all. I'm still waiting for him to respond to your repeated requests for examples of where President Clinton has injected race into this campaign. As you mentioned this morning, the South Carolina primary was moved up by the DNC because of race. Thank you for trying to bring this debate back to the realm of reality.

Do any of you see just how disgusting it is that a bunch of white middle class are trying to decide what is racist and what is not? I've seen so many of you bend over backwards to find excuses why you have out of hand rejected Obama, you don't like the way he speaks at church rallies, you don't like his "smirk", so on and so on. Folks maybe it's time you took a cold hard look at yourselves.

wow, nothing like gettin into a big fight on TV to bring in new folks. Where's our welcome wagon? Hello to new commenters (sorry if this isn't your first time): mark c garrett, Ian, Matt-Man, athyrio, MJV135

"People talk about Shrub's cocaine use all the time."

Very weak, I expected better from you KC, I'm disappointed. I find it very disheartening that you are unable to see the difference between the two, it shows me just how far we still have to go on the entire issue of racism. I guess we really haven't come a "long way baby".

Well, done. I remember Obama talking about his being able to push the Republican policies back like "busting the doors of segregation". He has framed his message with MLK and Abe from the start. This has always been his two-track approach. 1. advocate color-blindness 2. couch his campaign in civil rights terms to appeal to blacks. and young people This is hardly racist, but let's be real. Obama had his wife connect racism to Bill 's calling his Iraq spin a fairy tale. Obama apologized for surrogates and staffers circulating claims of Clinton racism. Whatever you say about Clinton's Rovian ways, racism is just another media/Left push to trash Clinton in favor of Obama. I suspect once again the "people" are not that dumb. Clyburn? He says Obama is really running as the white candidate. Daschle should retire from politics altogether. Kerry should be honest and confess what Obama's position on Iraq was before he became the pillar of opposition he was before he agreed with Kerry. And will Obama dare to step outside his own box and admit the UN is right in saying POLITICAL progress has been made with the blood of American sacrfice? McCain will have Obama as toast.

At the end of the day, history will show which pundits caved under their own Liberal slant. When one candidate is drawing fire from the extremes, you can bet they represent the middle. People, be serious. The Left hates the Clintons for moving towards center. The Right hates the Clintons for winning. The Right and Left hate each other much more than the Clintons, but for now they enjoy their Sunni/Shia alliance. It is sad the DNC used Bill for years to help candidates and raise money. They didn't defend him from Punjab jokes. They didn't tell Obama to stop calling Hillary a liar and a Republican Lite. Some one has to stand up to the pundits who even like Corn on Fox last night plays to Republican tactics. Corn has implied Hillary's remark suggested some racial insult. He sits there and lets a FOX head repeatedly call the Clintons all kinds of things without a mention of Rove. He suggests that the Clinton campaign called Obama uppity. Come Novemeber I hope Corn posts a blog to list how many posts and predictions were wrong. Take two talking heads off CNN and leave on McCaf, Mathews, Russert, Oberman, reporters for NBC and all the others that pull for Obama. Shame on you media. I hope the people show you that they decide, not you.

I guess some poeple have a strange notion of courage. 22 million people back at jobs is a significant record. for Bill Congrats for taking the tough stand on honesty and showing some backbone. Republicans pray they can shoot down Hillary now, like they would Obama in November. Let's give some Rove back to them in the form of a President that has refused to insult and personalize her opinion of the Republicans the way the Left and Right have assaulted the Clintons.

NYC

and Maxtrue too, welcome to our little corner of the internet

Mika has a brother and a father working with Obama and another brother working with John McCain.

Hmmm. Has anyone heard that before? I admit I haven't been a morning Joe watcher, but I haven't heard it any of the posts about MJ either. If this is so , MSNBC is covering it up and has a conflict of interest ......

oh fer the LOVE of pete!! Lester just got thru saying that both campaigns have denied the charges and then Witless says "as both campaigns get down and dirty.." was she listening? does anyone listen?

oops..scuse me..wasnt witless..

TO our new Commenters: We have few rules here and welcome all points of view. Come to think of it, do we have any rules??? Well, we don't tolerate spam and porn, which is mostly auto-deleted. Otherwise, anything goes. Some of the folks here have been with us since our June 2005 launch. Hope you stick around and get to know the gang. -- Craig

No porn?

dang.. i was sure there was porn..

craig, muchacho! great job.. nothing like a fight with Barnacle to get everyone's heart started this morning.. i need more coffee.. (like a hole in the head)

ha, well Brian has been known to get a bit racy now and then

*shocked gasp* DID you just inject RACY into this convo??

Witless
Noron
Tweety

and now poor poor Joe as Morning Load

We are so viscious at MSNBC's inane coverage, but it is fun.

there i go again, tylenol

you scamp!

craig..what's the word from Fla.. any dustups??

Craig..once again you are the voice of reason. I have heard explain things to the various "tv talkers", that just don't want to hear the truth. Not just about this so called "race issue" but on many occasions. At least you are capable of seeing both sides. MSNBC has turned into OBAMARAMA 24/7. The Morning "Joke" with Joe & Mika who HATE Hillary. Mika's family works for the Obama campaign and her brother works for John McCain. Follow that with Matthews - who had to apologiZe and then Tucker and it is non-stop Clinton Bashing. I live in Illinois, and I can tell you what kind of Senator Obama has been....present...like his votes.
The media has placeD such a crown on his head and not really looked into things regarding his background.
AND THAT'S NOT RACIST!!!. You are right...Obama's camp started it and the Oprah events did look like Civil Right rallies, and that's ok as you said, but it has to work both ways people.

Craig, like I first suggested a couple weeks ago, I still hope you'll consider doing a book on how the "news" media may influence the perceptions and subsequent voting behaviors of people who have a low level of involvement in the political process.

It would be an interesting way to juxtapose the positions you took in your last book.

Craig, if asked would you accpet a press position in the White House with HRC?

Also saw Ladonna O... Says need to have a quick gathering
And that Craig should host an after election party in Florida this week

Drug issue from Jan 2007

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BothSidesAllSides/story?id=2773754

And there are some people who do find cows a little sexy....

Given the dust up, I looked up the definition of Barnacle

Barnacle: Hermaphroditic organism that attaches permanently without migration to a rock or man made structure.

Craig, you are famous on the Internets. This is a comment from a poster on another blog I am on:

"They have an edition of Morning joe on this am W/Joe Scarborough covering the election in S.C. where he is really playing up this Bill Clinton playing the race card business.
The segment i caught had Mike Barnicle from up here in Boston and Craig Crawford)Congressional Qrtrly I think?) who is a native Floridian. He took Scarborough and Barnicle on about this so call race card issue asking them how where when? "Show me an example" he asked them. He basically told them both the were fabricating the issue. I agree.

Scarborough's dislike for the Clinton's is becoming more apparent. He agrees with those who support his Clinton race card argument and talks over those who don't. Crawford brought up the point that he thinks this media fabrication is having the reverse effect it driving voters towards Hillary.

I'll probably sound like a racist with this comment but there is a phenomenon where someone over compensates with their words and actions to prove to everyone, and may themselves, that they aren't a racist. I think that there is a lot of this going around.

IMO BC has earned the creds to go down and campaign in S.C.for his wife, in any community. When he takes on Obama, skin color is not a factor."

Renee,

You are right. My lapse of good sportsmanship.

1. I think Craig is right that the media is making race and gender an issue.
2. I think that Bill Clinton saying "race and gender shouldn't be a part of the race" was his way of spiking the media punchbowl about race and gender. That's all he needed to do, get the media drunk and let them do the dirty work of bringing up race and gender as an issue. Clinton isn't a racist, he's a tactical nuke. Obama & Edwards haven't figured that game out yet.
3. Perhaps Craig's unusual on-air agitation was a by-product of quitting smoking. ;-)

tactical nuke......lol

Craig Crawford: "[T]he evidence-free bias against the Clintons in the media borders on mental illness"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801260001

Wasn't it the media who helped elect mr bush?

Wasn't it the media who helped elect mr bush, twice.

Posted by: sturgeone

fixed your typo

To show how absurd this all is.

1. Photo of the Clintons with Rez

2. Did Obama supply this sleaze?

3. Did the Clintons supply this sleaze to make Obama look bad and keep the issue alive?

4. Did Obama supply the sleaze to create the impression the Clinton supplied the sleaze to make Obama look bad?

Where does it end? Does Obama mean thinking beyond conventional wisdom mean not thinking 2 is the right answer? And if it is, what moron would bring this issue back to life?

It is hard sometimes to see much difference between many Left Side pundits and Hannity. It only makes me more certain the Clintons are sitting in the center. I would love MSNBC, CNN and NBC to explain the bill Obama tried to introduce to the Amnesty package. It goes against the compromise and what Clarke wants as the Real ID. You all remember Clarke, now Obama's advisor. Then when questioned during the earlier debates, Obama talked about serious workplace enforcement. Read the transcript from the Illinois debate. In front of the Union no less he said that enforcement would be to force employers to give better wages and insurance to undocumented workers. The Union applauded which makes you wonder about their attentions span. Again he repeated this position until a recent debate where he blasted Bush for failing to make employers check the status of workers. Where is the Press? Asleep?

I could go on and show everyone the transcript of Obama's last speech to AIPAC. Forget all those "present" votes, but to slam Hillary for voting new sanctions (which Obama promised AIPAC) and then not show up to vote? He lies and says he didn't know about the vote when Congressional staffers contacted everyone days before. Had Clinton done this, we all would be reading it in WAPO and the NYT.

Recently western leaders have talked about making a nuclear first strike a policy to thwart conventional strikes. Russia declared this policy days ago. There is tension brewing in the Balkans and Russian activity in Eastern Europe. Now isn't Obama the head of the Senate Foreign Relations Sub Committee on Eastern Europe and NATO? Has he had a single meeting in three years? Does he offer a single comment on these important issues? Is he scared to talk as some suggest as President he would make that grand bargin with Iran? Does he comment on Iran's claim yesterday that they will not better US relations no matter who wins the White House?

So I mention this to suggest that the media is giving Obama the pass and he has not, like Reagan, linked his message of hope and change to any kind of confident stance in the world based on declared and detail policies. This is the objection I have with his Reagan quotes. Reagan was confident and we all knew what Reagan was going to do to rebuild our dense, make America First, restore pride in our abilities and challenge our threats in the world with ending conflict or trying to defeat us. He did not seek victory, but fought with a big stick to win the peace.

Now I'm more Liberal and don't buy into to much Reagan promoted as domestic policy, but it is amazing how media defends Obama's rehash of Reagan, his record, his behavior and his "taking off the gloves" after fumbling the first few debates. I suggest that media and surrogates advanced the race tactic. His camaign has been plagued by mistakes from the start -such is the learning curve of light-weights (no insult intended). I like Obama, I think one day he will be far wiser, but what is going on now is a joke which tries to vilify Clinton and lay the blame squarely at their feet and then Bush's.

No Bush No Cheny No Sense, now how friggin forward looking is that? How dumb does media and politicians think the American people are? Thanks for allowing me the rant.

sometimes the messenger needs an attack or two.......

YeeeeHaaaw!
look at all these new people...... I LOVE it..... the more the merrier....

welcome all you newbies..... stick around and play for a while....

dnd....
there you are, Sweetie.....
haven't seen you for a few days..... I was beginning to worry about you...

Bill Clinton is a political master and watching him show the other 2 how it's done is pure joy......

It is hard sometimes to see much difference between many Left Side pundits and Hannity.

---Maxtrue

who are these left side pundits of whom you speak?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9LhWUsrJnM

Senator Clinton and the MLK remark.
She wasn't talking about race at all but about why it is important to have a president who can get things done

the media always skips over the part where she says Kennedy couldn't get it done. Was she saying he was black too.

Does anyone have the stats on how many votes Obama may have missed in the past two years as opposed to how many votes Clinton has missed. Also a figure for their committee assignments.

I realize that when they are running for Prez, the Senators only get called to show up if their vote is vital to passage, but as a relatively new two year Senator running against a six year Senator, it would be nice to have the figures.

My daughter had a picture made with John Edwards last night......I'll have to find out if he talked her into changing her vote intentions today......

Craig, as long as you continue to be unbiased I will stick with you...I am sick to death of the alternative....Even Keith made me mad in recent shows....this Obama slant isnt fair .......

Thank you for standing up to the MSNBC’s “the Clintons are evil and race-baiting” alleluia chorus. I was SO happy to hear you give voice to my own interpretation of events. As the shrill media increasingly comments on race, if Obama is losing support among Caucasian voters, it's a backlash to the overheated discussion of race, not the Clintons or their surrogates.

Of all the Clinton bashers, Chris Matthews is so transparent in his absolute enmity toward the Clintons. His eyes, facial expressions, and body language reveal his deep hatred.

I am looking forward to an intelligent dissection of the media's influence on the electorate. They may have satisfied their own political blood lust, but in so doing it is they who are the spoilers.

Craig, man...thanks for speaking the truth. The media loves race baiting. They need to chill.

Donna.......it's even worse when you figure they might have agendas to grind......

Another AZ poll for your amusement. Headline: Dem Race Tightens in Arizona. The Rocky Mountain Poll conducted with 600 + people would suggest that Clinton's lead is shrinking from an earlier poll in November. OK, but what's behind the numbers? Clinton 37%; Obama 27%; Edwards 15%. However, the Undecideds are at 18% and the margin of error 6.5%. So, the Keith number is 24.5%. Like NH, the vote on the 5th can go in any direction. Polls are amusing, that's for sure!

Welcome to the new folks. This is an interesting give and take blog. Some days it will make you happy reading everyone's posts. Some other days will make you so damn mad you could throw something at the computer screen. Mostly, the madness comes from personal attacks rather than a lively discussion of issues, policies, and opinions. Craig has been a great host, very tolerant of dissent of his and others points of view. This is the third or fourth location on the Internet for this blog, so he's also had to learn how to become a techie.

Have a great weekend everyone. It will be interesting to see what you all have to say about SC tonight and FL on Tuesday.

his diss that HRC and others, unlike Obama, come with "baggage". Hey, experience and/or taking a stand earns you baggage. If you want to travel light vote "present".

It's amazing how you all are trying to keep the racism issue alive on the day Obama is about to have a major victory, in large part due to the black vote. I can't wait to read how you all try to minimize his victory due to his black support.

Sometimes I'm easily amused. This amused me...

http://weeklyradioaddress.com/WRA20080126.htm

EPROF!!! I miss you and I love your posts. Please come back Feb 5th and spend some quality time. ;0)

Welcome all new comers and get to know us. We have republicans and Right Wingers. We have independents and moderates. We have Democrats and Left Wingers. We're a lively bunch and more importantly,

We are a neighborhood. I think we've proven that more than once.

Love thy neighbor.....they may get on your last nerve sometimes, but love them anyway. ;0)

Maybe the network should call the people on this blog for a balanced analysis of the campaign activities. We just may be Craig's secret weapon. :-)

I have to run, but Mathews vilifies Hillary as though he was Hannity's brother. Russert goes back to Lazio and if Bill was there on stage he would have flatten him with a tactical right fist. herad he once did to that weasel Morris who sits on FOX all night driveling. Some one hand that guy a tissue.

Perhaps I will come back with excerpts of Pundits from both sides and show the piling on. The talking points are similar: vile, nasty. power hungry, unrpincipled, corrupt, filip-floppers, crooks etc. Hell, I could swear the conversation was about Carl Rove. The Left is so upset they've played the race card they reserve for the Republicans and you can't blame the Republicans for having some fun. No matter what they say about facing Clinton, they know she is going to win.

Why else would the Republicans hold their fire on Obama and not qyestion the very items I listed above? Why not take apart his Vet history? Didn't Lieberman mentor Obama? 25% of his votes in Illi. were "present" from the dude who claims he takes important votes on controversila issues? He even missed the Patraeus vote. Remember, Obama is from the Iraq is Lost crowd. Is it really? Come November will he really say NOTHING positive has happened to McCain who can claim some credit for being Reagaensque about Iraq? Will McCain look into Obama's eyes and say, "Barak, I will never let American lives be lost in vain". With investment going into Iraq, with Piro's transcript of Saddam's confession of trying to fool the West, will Obama look good or bad? Hillary will hawk it up come November. She will point to Lefty hatred as the scars for giving the President the power to threaten force based on IC verdicts. She has much more meat to push the Reagan thing and some record to show America the economy isn't going down the crapper.

So yes, pundits on the Left Side sound much like FOX these days except Bill O'Reilly who has defended Hillary more than Mathews, Russert and McCafferty combined. Keep this last bimbo CNN who openly declares his support of Obama and fire Carville? LOL, such balance. You know balance to most Liberal media means conformity of Liberal slant. Until we clean up our own act Ladies and Gentlemen, the Republicans have our own crap to hang us with. To make my point clear. Colbert and Stewart have never been more sensible as when speaking without their writers. South Park rules because it goes after everyone (except Obama yet). We don't win by being hypocritical, we win by taking the best of FDR, JFK, Truman, parts of LBJ and Carter, Clinton and fashioning a leadership that unites, stands tall, is inclusive, rational and won't succumb to the convetional theater which sadly Obama has delivered. I feel no sympathy for Hillary slapping him silly. Perhaps it will knock some sense into him so one day this talented guy can lead both moderate Republicans and Democrats to the promised land.

Until then I want Hillary to stare down Ahmadinejad and twist some arms to get this country rolling gain. We have suffered for too long. Not because Bush did everything wrong, but because our discourse has been so pathetic. Again, thanks for everyone who is realistic enough to see beyond pundits, partisan derangement, PR from our worst enemies. Before you know it Chavez will seize land in neighboring countries and start conflict with Columbia. We cannot afford to be locked in creating a new Vietnam Syndrome while our adversaries plot and our economy falters without alternative energy. If Reagan showed up sporting a more Liberal head, I would say right on dude. For now we must make a much harder choice.

Just my opinion.......

Max out

NYC

i question the premise that matthews, russert or mccafferty are left side pundits.

of course there's arianna huffington......she's left side......

"Craig, as long as you continue to be unbiased I will stick with you"

Yeah right! Craig's attitude regarding Obama has been anything but unbiased from the very beginning.

My daughter had a picture made with John Edwards last night.....

Posted by: sturgeone | January 26, 2008 2:06 PM

Now, sturg, maybe it takes someone else who grew up in the deep south to notice, but that's the most SOUTHERN thing I've ever heard you say! Do you see what I'm talking about???

"It's amazing how you all are trying to keep the racism issue alive on the day Obama is about to have a major victory, in large part due to the black vote"

Brian, Could you explain the logic to me that when we are saying the media is wrong. That racism doesn't enter into it unless they push it. That the voters are voting based on their attitudes towards the candidates and are not responding to the race argument except as a push back when the media pushes their defensive button is the group here "keeping the racism issue alive".

Hi Craig,

Thank you, thank you, thank you. As an African-American female I was beginning to think that I was losing my mind. I kept looking at news stories trying to find the racism that practically all the cable news folks saw.

If we want to be brutally honest, black people started talking about race early in the game. We wondered, and rightly so, if Obama could be a viable candidate. Some wondered if he were black enough, some wondered if he were too black.

I decided to weigh the issues and went with HRC. Was it because she was female? Honestly, I am not sure. Originally, Biden was my favorite, but I knew he was not gaining traction. My admiration for HRC stems from the fact that she shows grace under fire. I noted when she lost in Iowa, she was so gracious, however, Sen. Obama did not concede in Nevada. Actions during adversity tells more than actions during success.

None of the campaigns is perfect, but it is patently unfair to confer sainthood on one camp and demonize the other.

Dems are making history regardless of who wins. Politics have always been a body contact sport. Win or go home!

No Brian, why should I point out that Obama wins because of the black vote.? That would be pushing the race issue. If Barak wins, good for him. I doubt Super Tuesday will go that way. Again, if Barak wins because white and black voters think he is the best person, then great. Your comment is a contradiction. If my claim that Obama played the race card is correct and he garners their vote in SC, then my case is even stronger. Phyric victory, I see it to be. The more the black and white line is drawn, the worse are Obama color-blind chances. This is exactly the outcome Republicans are pushing for, but look at the national Gallop polls and don't think too much what pundits say. Florida and Michigan delegates will be counted. i million voters count. Bill pinned down Obama in SC while Hillary made good in other States,
Two-headed monster? I doubt it and now Obama has a photo sleaze job to talk about with many more unvetted questions coming his way. If he doesn't win big today and pull many white voters, in my book it is a loss he can't afford.

Max

NYC

I feel the racial backlash started when the Clintons made the comments about the role of Martin Luther King that “appeared” to diminish his role in the racial movement. And, Bill Clinton has made numerous remarks about possibly having “the first black president”, I feel to bring it to the forefront, especially to some of those bigoted white voters in SC, making them aware that yes this is a black man. As someone who has vacationed in SC many, many times, it is evident that the racial division is still there. There was a white elitist female who was interviewed on one of the national networks (probably CNN, MSNBC, or one of the C-Spans because those are about all I watch) who when asked why she could not vote for a black man her response was “well they are just different….everyone knows they are different”. If nothing else, Bill Clinton has made those same white people aware that there is indeed a black man running for president, something some white Southerners don’t like. I hope there are enough black voters who will come out to support Obama.

It would be great to also see the first female in the WH, but this time around, even though people who say they know her say she is kind and gentle, she sounds too harsh, overconfident, divisive and abrasive even if some say she is experienced. I like what Ted Sorenson said that “his kids played in the WH and that did not give them the experience to be president” commenting about Billary’s years in the WH. This comes from a white female who is only a year or so older than she. As an older person, I still say it is time to pass the torch to a younger generation with the seasoned, experienced individuals supporting them for real change...not more of the old politics of the last 16 years.

Hello to all you newbies...and welcome! I'm a relative newbie...just blew in with the Imus dust storm last April. If you stick around, you'll find good political conversation among people who have, for the most part, been very tolerant of each other's differences. Heck! At times, we even learn a thing or two from each other!

Craig...I found this list last April because you were a voice in the wilderness then, trying to inject reason into another media feeding frenzy. Thanks for being your own man, for not going along with most of the other media-types, and for stating your opinions clearly!

Bill Clinton never called himself the first black president.

Harbor......I'll have to study on that for a bit.......

More reviews of Craig's performance from some other blog:

http://gbuddy.blogspot.com/2008/01/craig-crawford-against-world-on-msnbc.html

sturg...

If you can't find it, let me know...I'll point it out. It's kinda' like when I used to say "Let the window up, please", and my northern-born ex would look at the window and say..."Okay, window, you can get up now."

Indeed, someone already has posted an account of this morning's fight on Craig's Wikipedia page. Pretty funny.

Because Jamie, very simple, any dolt should be able to understand it. Keeping the race issue alive suits the Clintons very nicely that's why their hit squad has worked so hard keeping the issue alive. I'm sure after SC they will be spinning it as "well what do you expect, the dem vote in SC is 50% black. Frankly there is something a tad 3/5s about that to my way of thinking.

But don't trouble yourself over it Jamie, I don't expect you to get it. Just as many on this list didn't understand just how disgusting Imus' "nappy headed ho" remark was, will keep apologizing for the race baiting tactic of HillCo.

Karolenna,

You may need to go back to the original quotes rather than the way that the media "presented" the quotes. Clinton's remarks about MLK were that he was the "dreamer" and without his actions, Johnson did not have the weapons to push through Civil Rights legislation, but without Johnson, MLK did not have the presidential "bully pulpit" to get things done. It was a partnership not a contest.

This is what we have been fussing about all day. That it is the "image" not a reality, but the longer and harder the media pushes the idea of the "image", the closer it comes to being a reality.

Pauline,

I picked Clinton because of her positions and experience. I like Obama a great deal, but would like to see him on the national scene a little longer before going for the top job. With you my first choice was Biden simply because of his global views.

well....it would have to be had a picture made.............instead of picture taken......?

I dont rightly know......

Fabulous!!!! It so needed to be said and I haven't heard anyone else question how these comments were racist, I thought I was the only one!!!! You should be out there saying this on every show, how about Chris Mathews!!!!

Hey CRAIG, as usual u stunk, after u finished talking the stench was so bad of feces and sulfur smell that MSNBC had to hire a cleaning crew to get rid of the smell that came from u through ur mic.... U proved me right again of ur bias. are u really that desperate for a job in a potential clinton administration that u would simply mislead and lie about the obvious, the more i look at u the more i see how u resemble bubba, u sure yal aint brothers from the sticks... after talking to a few friends across the aisle i can assure u BILLIARY-ITES that if she does get the nomination the new lawsuits that will come out on bubba recent indiscretions, they wont go very far in court but the news play on fox will be enough to get mainstream media coverage, which will remind voters once again of the clintons... remember the republicans number one strategy always attack at the point of strength not weakness and bubba is hilliary strength, just say i told u so, republican white house for four more years heheheh ;)

Clinton said Kennedy wanted to but couldn't get it done and then Johnson was able to. it was about the power of the president and the importance of the will of the person in office. It could have been about any issue.

Hi Lard,

I liked that whole post on the blog. Nice outlook.

Bingo, sturg! My mom used to use that phrase all the time.

"A picture made"...makes me think of photoshop pic.

Harbor.......(lol)

JohnR,

YOu can certainly make your point without being so crude and rude. I've seen it before.

What are you just looking for people here to dislike you?

To Katherine, I possibly did not make myself clear. I was not referring to Bill Clinton calling himself the first black president. Numerous times he has commented publicly about possibly having the first female president or the first black president, referring to Barak Obama. Now there may be some who are prejudiced about having a female for president (especially Hilliary), but I would say there are probably more prejudices about a black person, even though he may be one of the most intelligent, logical thinking people to come along in years. Ironic to me that if a half white and half black person (male or female) who I think is qualified cannot become president, we do not seem to have evolved much as a nation.

But don't trouble yourself over it Jamie, I don't expect you to get it. Just as many on this list didn't understand just how disgusting Imus' "nappy headed ho" remark was, will keep apologizing for the race baiting tactic of HillCo

baloney

and who is keeping the issue alive are you saying that morning load is a tool of the Clintons and they are running an all day racial divide program to help the Clintons

no other media outlet is spending this much time on the issue in this way. .

Hi Sheila. I'll give Buddy a shout-out to join the fray over this way.

hey shelia, craig comments were crude and rude to many....

I don't know if Brian of the "jews didn't kill christ" arguement will see this, but Obama used cocaine, mentioned it in his autobiography and I suppose doesn't think the Republicans would have raised it in the general election. So a democrat alluding to it is making a racist comment, I don't get the jewish connection here, if they made the arguement either way on behalf of jews or not it would be playing to centuries old anti-semetic rabble rousing, if Obama hadn't used drugs or hadn't openly discussed it and the Clinton's were out there suggesting that he might have insinuating that all blacks use drugs, that would be racist.

Karolena at 3:00 pm

Are you saying people wouldn't know Obama was black if Bill Clinton didn't mention it.

And he is not the only one who speaks of those choices

Brian,

There is a historical argument to support your statement that the cocaine issue is being used to put forth racial stereotypes, and I expect Craig and the others here realize that. But because it's 2008 and because Barack has already confessed to youthful indiscretions regarding coke, I agree with what Craig said this morning.

I'd phrase it this way: I think it's more racist to say that bringing up cocaine use is racist, than it is to bring up the cocaine use. (That makes sense to me when I say it out loud. I hope everyone is reading it the way I'm saying it.)
As Craig said or inferred, cocaine use is not limited to any one race, and to hint otherwise is racist.

Also, I've forgotten which Hillary surrogate brought up the cocaine issue all those weeks ago, but as I understand it, he was responding to a question regarding what knd of attacks the Republicans would use on Senator Obama. From a vetting standpoint, Senator Obama is probably better off that it got out there early in the campaign.

But John you seem to like us.....

Why can't you point out your Vision of what Craig is doing without being to verbally rude? I lke you. But its a waste of your time and ours for you to Turn All of Us Off to your views by being rude and crude.

Common! I slip sometimes too and everyone here lets me know it. Just share your views, (which are legit) with more civility.

Hey John R....as usual u stunk, after u finished posting the stench was so bad of feces and sulfur smell that the C-Listers had to hire a cleaning crew to get rid of the smell that came from u through ur post....

Right back atcha...ROTFLMAO!!!

EPROF,

You waded in and made sense. thanks Buddy!

I think both sides are not speaking the same language but saying the same thing.

EdVB...

So nice to see you back! Several of us here were worried that you'd left us, as you've not posted for awhile, and we were missing your thoughtful - and often humorous - posts. Glad to know you haven't bailed on c-list!

Craig now has his own topic under "Morning Joe" commentary on MSNBC

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/board.aspx?BoardID=877

JohnR...

I'm going to be honest. I don't like you...yet. I don't enjoy people who throw insults, especially vile ones, when they could make their point in ways that others would actually consider and try to understand. If you want to have a conversation with us, please dial back the venom. Obviously, no one can force you to do that, but I don't think you'll find many of us 'listening' to you unless you do....

hey shelia, i like u too ;) lol

KGC

Was that query addressed to me or the person above the commentary? I haven't said anything like that. I've been defending Craig all day.

"Also, I've forgotten which Hillary surrogate brought up the cocaine issue all those weeks ago"

Mark Penn and Robert Johnson to name a couple. And lets not forgot those charming remarks made be Bob Kerry. You're all delusional if you don't think this an organized attacked.

Lard,

Tell buddy to come on over. Its lively and we nibble, but we certainly don't bite like the rest. ;0)

John R

"craig comments were crude and rude to many"

Craig is never rude or crude to anyone. He is unfailingly good humored, balanced, and genuinely nice. Save the insults for a place where they play that way.

BTW,

Just to answer the question. Shaheen was the person who reigned because of the cocaine remark.

Just giving back to our EPROF.

...LOL That's resigned....lol

KGC,

Just went back to check. That was Brian's comment to me, not mine to others.

JohnR,

Jamie is right. Annndddd, you are going to find that we here can really debate and argue out opinions, but we are never crude and we all genuinely like each other. Including Cahoona.

You will get more response from Craig too, if you can stop "Attacking The Messenger"....sorry folks. I had too. ;0)

Jamie
to Karolena who claims only Bill Clinton ever talks about the choice between Senator Obama and Senator Clinton as a choice between a woman and a black man.

Here's what Jesse Jackson SENIOR said, which hasn't been reported much either:

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/15/6388/
Little things get magnified out of proportion, and start rubbing the raw wounds of race and gender.

When Obama said that Hillary was “likeable enough,” it was not a gender insult; it was a gentle compliment. These two were friends; they have campaigned together. To turn it into anything else is simply silly. When Hillary said Lyndon Johnson was necessary to get the Voting Rights Act passed, of course she’s right. It took years of demonstrations, litigation and legislation to challenge segregation. King appreciated what Johnson helped achieve, even as he continued to challenge him. Hillary’s statement is not a racial insult.

Jamie,

I am not misrepresenting what Clinton said about MLK, but here is what one of the Clinton’s consultants had to say about the remarks:

“A Harlem-based consultant to the Clinton campaign, Bill Lynch, called the comments “a mistake” and said his own phone had been ringing with friends around the country voicing their concern.”

Why did Clinton even need to go there because she is a white woman? If she thought she was pandering to the blacks, it did not work with some.

As someone who idealized the Clintons in the ’90s, I want to move forward “without them”, because it is more of the same old politics. I’d love to see the Edwards/Obama ticket. Too many people do not like the Clintons. I’m in conservative Ohio and many around me, even independents, say they would vote for Obama or Edwards, but not the Clintons. Even I will not vote for the first time in my life if she is the candidate. I just don’t want her in there and cannot bring myself to vote for her. My guess is if she wins the primaries she will lose the general because then the Clintons' “true” colors will come into play.

"You will get more response from Craig too, if you can stop "Attacking The Messenger"....sorry folks. I had too. ;0)"

(insert big groan icon here)

I have seen polling in Ohio and that is crap

Dr. King carried on a lively back and forth correspondence, some of it on the pages of Esquire Magazine, with William Faulkner over the race issue both agreeing on the goal but differing on the way........

laughing @ Brian!

Katie,
Karolena was expressing her opinion and observations around her region in Ohio. She has a right to give her opinion.

It has nothinng to do with polls.

1950democrat.

Welcome and great post! Great point.

Sheila
Karolena can take care of herself

As for racism in the campaign, very early on MIchelle Obama, when asked why AA support wasn't higher for BO, said they would "wake up and get it" and talked about fear and heritage of slavery, etc etc.

I think I'm going to go inject some race into myself. I hear it's an amazing high.
Catch you all later.

MSNBC and Morning Joe is really getting blasted by the public for their coverage today, and it is coming from all sides not just Clinton supporters.

Gee the earth is about to be hit by an uncontrolled U.S. satellite in Feb or March. I remember the last time this hapened. It landed in an uninhabited area of Australia I think. Now that is something to be concerned about.

Kathrine,

I have a right to support a newby too.

Karolena

Have you heard the remarks in their contex
or are you depending on other people's reporting

And I am still curious if you meant to say only Bill Clinton was describing the choice between the two as between a black man and woman.

LLIB,

You were lurking. Have a great day!

What's that.......up in the sky.......why, it's a damned Heineken..........it must be miller time.......

Whenever I hear someone say they won't vote if Democratic candidate x doesn't get the nomination, I just think they either don't know enough to vote, had really no intention of voting, or like the leadership in this country just the way it is. Or in other words, "If I can't have my way I will take my marbles and go home." Oh yeah, that will sure teach us won't it?

Zooey,

Third alternative. They are really from the opposing party and are just trying to stir the pot. Virtually everyone here has said that whomever the Dem nominee, that is the way they will vote. Someone even mentioned an animated jar of mayonaise.

Holy Cow........Craig done knocked a satellite outa the sky.......

Part of the racial issue started when media and the Obama camp spun remarks made by the Clintons as racist. No person with an IQ over 100 would take these remarks as racist. Then Obama staffers circulated the remarks were "racially insulting" further playing the card. Really now, Bubba and Hillary racists? How desperate is that?

Brian the "Jew" thing is hilarious, or should I say hillarious. If you want to vote for Obama because he is of mixed race, then go ahead. It is a free country. I just don't see your point if blacks vote Obama and whites vote for someone white. Seems like a losing proposition and surely a divisive one. I can't wait for McCain to ask why Obama tried to sink the Amnesty Bill with an amendment preventing employers from checking the status of workers. Explain that one to me and his advisor Clarke. Explain why a former Clintonista now working for Obama thinks unifying America and being bipartisan is describing the next adminstration of Obama's as the "Janitor of the World cleaning up all the worlds problems that Bush created". What an absurd statement from Susan Rice. I would suggest that Democrats leave the race issue alone and focus in on policy because come November McCain or Romney will have some tough questions to ask. Dems are not going to win on a divided white black line. They aren't going to win on Iraq is Lost or let us talk to Iran. They aren't going to win on Obama's unproven economic team or his plans to spend money we don't have.

The more you talk race, the more Democrats are weakened. The Clintons did not start this and what came before Hillary's remarks is worth considering. Obama said before that he would take Republicans on like "breaking down the doors of segregation. There were many issues of soft race long before Obama's wife made the false claim fairy tale meant an insult to Obama, the Civil Rights activist. That is why Andrew Young got so pissed. And telling Johnson to shut up. That's a good one. Maybe that would sound like a whioe master telling his slave to be silent. Whatever pundits push to eager Clinton Haters, it doesn't make it true. Again, the left is using the Republican Playbook and I suspect SC will not offer Obama such a crushing victory.

Sheila
Karolena was here the other night and is quite capable of taking care of herself

Karolena don't take KC too seriously, she's really a very fine person, just overdue for her distemper booster. Side effect of too much Clinton Kool-aid.

Katie,

Common, even though she is, I'm being myself and you know me. Just let me be myself please? :0)

Here's the info on Skylab http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylab

Let us hope that the consequences of this newest falling bird is equally harmful. Australia fined the U.S. government $400 for littering.

harbor, u accuse me of insulting Craig, craig has been insulting folks for a very long time his style is smooth and non-threatening but it is still insulting. i am a daily watcher of keith and chris show, maybe have missed 5 or so in the last 7 years and i have heard craig many times insult people in a very nice and calm way. especially people he disagrees with. now why is it okay for him but not okay for others. where in all my comments do i personally attack him or insult him personally, i always address what he or someone has said. my style maybe rough but what difference does it make if u are insulted smoothly or roughly hehehehe :) i have every right to attack the opinions and comments of others just as they have that same right. always rememebr one man's junk is another man's tresure and one man's tresure is another man's junk....depends on ur vantage point

You got it right as usual, Craig.

Unfortunately, I think the race issue is just another symptom of the MSM wanting to cover politics as a sporting event. Even worse, they seem to want to turn it into WWE wrestling, instead of just an NFL game. (that is - add titilating reality-challenged story lines to jazz up the event.)

Sheila
vice versa

I just found some junk.

labber..........have you seen CNN's "Ballot Bowl"?

When Obama said likeablle enough many people took it for what it was: an insult. He interjected himself and looked petty. Eventually he apologized. Jaclson got it completely wrong as most things he thinks about.

Why must people look to pundits to tell them what their own ears hear? Hillary had every right to talk about MLK and LBJ. It is absurd to think otherwise. And many Reagano Democrats in OHIO where I went to college prefer the Clintons. The uglyiness going on now is designed to say, "look the Clintons are too divisive". Give me a break. They were dividisve because the Republicans went after them for eight years and found nothing but oral sex. Want to compare that to the Bush years? Want to compare that to racial division or even pandering to the Left while half of this country remains conservative?

JFK, LBJ, Reagan, were all unconfrontational. Do you remember riots over Reagan? Experiance and success brins baggage and so far no criminal baggage for Clinton. Of course she draws fire because she's moved to center where the extrmes don't like. NEOCONs hated Reagan for kicking them out. Clinton had a Republican SECDEF and a black Chief of Staff. It is absurd to buy into the image the Left and Right paint of the Clintons emlarging warts into mountains.
Yep, a two-term Democrat is too lowly to be associated eight years later.

GOP is just praying Obama pulls this out. For once they might play the race card if the Dems don't beat them to it first.

BTW, there is another "pundit" who has recognized that MSM is making mountains out of molehills when it comes to comments made by Bill Clinton. Jon Stewart. On one of his shows this week he did a brilliant job of showing MSM blowing things out of proportion. He showed clips of commentators from many outlets talking about Bill Clinton being on a rampage about some issue or another. Then he would show the clip of the actual comments made by Bill -- and he was just calmly but forcefully making his point.

Sturgeon -

Oh no - ballot bowl? I haven't seen that. I guess its worse than I thought.

I kid you not.

Sometimes I start reading the comments here and I stop halfway through and I wonder if I should continue. At that point I think of how parents sometimes get fed up and threaten to turn the car around and go back home.

Corey...........are we there yet?

I just lost a long post regarding where I've been and what I think.

Short version:
Broken computer and not happy with tone of comments I've been reading when I lurked from the office.

HW,
Thank you.

KGC,
Thank you, Shaheen is who I was thinking of.

So in otherwords KGC,

I'm not aloud to make and opinion or soppurt someone unless I aggree with you?

I never attacked you and so I don't see the problem except I supported Karolenna's right to speak about what she had observed in her community without having to state what a national poll had just released?

I'd say, I have a right to point these things out, unless while I was gone, the rules had changed here.

EdVb
you always make the tone a little better
especially for those of us who can be tone deaf

If anybody has to go to the bathroom , do it now. Because we're not stopping anywhere along the way!

Sheila
you should do what you want
I was just responding to your post
I didn't tell you to stop or anything
I just said she can take care of herself
you are reading way too much into this

all right, Corey.......when we get hooooooooome........

I don't know why Brian is trying to drag the Jews into this discussion. Everybody knows that Bill Clinton killed Jesus Christ and framed the African American community.

I thought we had a ruuuuuuuuuuuule.......
-----Lenny Bruce, cap-line from a bit about law and order during the Berkeley Concert on Bizarre records.

JohnR...

You make valid points, but you have to allow others to have their own opinions without trying to back them (us) into corners. I'd bet that Craig is happy to allow you to have your own opinion. Please extend the same courtesy to him. And I don't mean by that that you shouldn't disagree with him. By all means, disagree...and state your opinion well. The difficulty for me is that I find some of your word choices crude and vulgar. But that's just me. Different strokes for different folks.