Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

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The second column down has a great description of happenings at the Nevada caucus from the standpoint of a math teacher. It would seem that the ability to figure out percentages might come in handy.

Craig, Did you see your cow from the last thread? Unfortunately, while it has the glasses, it is still smoking.

Oops, Math Blog is http://zenoferox.blogspot.com/

Cow blog is http://bagwine.blogspot.com/

so, Craig, will load mouth allow you back on his show? It was not a pretty dust up but thank you for attempting to bring the conversation back to where it needs to be.

yo soy Horsedooty!

and.....My Two cents and I will shout this until the cows come home.

The Media injected it in the first place and both campaigns have reacted to it.

Thank Goodness Clyburn and the rest calmed the Clintons and the Obamas down with and realism concern for the party and our young people

Thanks for finally making me think I'm not crazy. You can make a lot of claims about the Clintons, but racist? I never bought that and I always wondered how any of what they said was racist. In fact the most racist thing I've heard so far came from Michelle Obama when she said "Their ain't no black people in Iowa". I realize who her audience was when she was speaking, and I know what she meant by it. But I can't stop thinking about the uncontrolled dive in the polls Hillary would have taken if Bill had told a country club in Kansas that 'Their ain't no white people in Georgia. Really doesn't seem like we're getting unbiased equal coverage on anything this political season.

What's with the COW comments? Did I inadvertantly use a CC Cow as my logo? I gotta plead ignoprance. Anyway, you made my morning Craig. Cheers...and Jamie, Hiya.

Thank you so much for sticking up for democrats and the Clintons today on Morning Joe as the media continues to ignore the truth and shill for Obama...It is very sad to watch the media so controlled...You are indeed a refreshing change of pace.....Keep up the good work.....

Craig:

You ROCKED on MoJo!

The way Obama supporters cry racism any time his resume or record is challenged will cost him the election.

Matt Man

It goes to the Imus show. When he went back on the air on RFD cable (a rural channel where Imus is followed by cow auctions). Craig remarked on Imus one day, that he found himself watching "Just one more cow" after the Imus show was over.

This has since become a synonym for something you are doing instead of what you should be doing and has now shown up all over. The other day Imus challenged the Sport commentator to get "One More Cow" into coverage of the football game without it sounding phony. So for the first time "One More Cow" was heard on national network channels.

Your newest Cow sort of looks like Craig except that he has given up smoking (Craig not the cow).

wait a sec.. i'm not so sure the media is shilling for Obama... they just like to lead the parade of a-holes..

Craig, Keep being the voice of reason and truth. Now you are seeing what the rest of us see in these political campaigns when we are not part of the press.

Jochi sounds like a hit and run troll

i think sometimes..same poster..different name..

Ty,

Your gut may be right.

and it works.. cos then suddenly we're all talking about race again.. this isnt about race.. never has been.. Obama's a fabulous candidate, so's Hillary, so's John.. just doesnt matter..

Sheila....
I understand that you might not have liked what joeCHI posted..... but he has been posting here on and off since CQ became our new home..... he is not a troll..... but probably isn't an Obama supporter.....

Craig..... thanks for posting that video..... real life has intruded for the last few weeks and I haven't seen as many of your appearances as I'd like to.....
great insights!.....

good work, craig.. someone had to say it..

" Michelle Obama when she said "Their ain't no black people in Iowa""

Remember how much flak Hillary got for saying "I aint in no way tired" (the title of the hymn), but she was playing the race card.

I don't think either Michelee or Hillary were playing "The Race Card" as the media describes it. I think they were two women speaking intimately to the understanding of the crowd they were addressing.

Were both remarks a mention of race? Sure. Was either remark meant as a slap at race of the other campaign? I doubt it.

What was wrong was that Hillary caught hell from the media who didn't so much as squeek at Michelle. Sometimes the suspect is innocent.

Gotcha Jamie, thanks. And yeah, I guess it does look kinda like Crawford. Cheers!!

was the second blow for Giuliani's campaign. Last month, South Carolina Treasurer Thomas Ravenel, the state chairman for Giuliani's campaign, was indicted on federal cocaine charges. E-

and I believe he will be sentenced on Tuesday.

now drugs are off limits...I guess someone needs to tell almost justice ginsberg that talking about drugs is racist

People talk about Shrub's cocaine use all the time.

Craig, Caught your back and forth this am on msnbc. you are right on the money. The Clinton Attack Machine is alive and well. With that toothless-Barnicle, and that pretty-boy floyd-Joe Joe Scarbourgh running off at the mouth, constantly, u almost need a bottle of Pepto to keep up!!! But they are feeding right into the hands of the Clintons!!! Go Bubba!!!!

Results 1 - 10 of about 425,000 for cocaine and George W Bush

Well done Craig. Joe was not happy with you at all. I'm still waiting for him to respond to your repeated requests for examples of where President Clinton has injected race into this campaign. As you mentioned this morning, the South Carolina primary was moved up by the DNC because of race. Thank you for trying to bring this debate back to the realm of reality.

wow, nothing like gettin into a big fight on TV to bring in new folks. Where's our welcome wagon? Hello to new commenters (sorry if this isn't your first time): mark c garrett, Ian, Matt-Man, athyrio, MJV135

Well, done. I remember Obama talking about his being able to push the Republican policies back like "busting the doors of segregation". He has framed his message with MLK and Abe from the start. This has always been his two-track approach. 1. advocate color-blindness 2. couch his campaign in civil rights terms to appeal to blacks. and young people This is hardly racist, but let's be real. Obama had his wife connect racism to Bill 's calling his Iraq spin a fairy tale. Obama apologized for surrogates and staffers circulating claims of Clinton racism. Whatever you say about Clinton's Rovian ways, racism is just another media/Left push to trash Clinton in favor of Obama. I suspect once again the "people" are not that dumb. Clyburn? He says Obama is really running as the white candidate. Daschle should retire from politics altogether. Kerry should be honest and confess what Obama's position on Iraq was before he became the pillar of opposition he was before he agreed with Kerry. And will Obama dare to step outside his own box and admit the UN is right in saying POLITICAL progress has been made with the blood of American sacrfice? McCain will have Obama as toast.

At the end of the day, history will show which pundits caved under their own Liberal slant. When one candidate is drawing fire from the extremes, you can bet they represent the middle. People, be serious. The Left hates the Clintons for moving towards center. The Right hates the Clintons for winning. The Right and Left hate each other much more than the Clintons, but for now they enjoy their Sunni/Shia alliance. It is sad the DNC used Bill for years to help candidates and raise money. They didn't defend him from Punjab jokes. They didn't tell Obama to stop calling Hillary a liar and a Republican Lite. Some one has to stand up to the pundits who even like Corn on Fox last night plays to Republican tactics. Corn has implied Hillary's remark suggested some racial insult. He sits there and lets a FOX head repeatedly call the Clintons all kinds of things without a mention of Rove. He suggests that the Clinton campaign called Obama uppity. Come Novemeber I hope Corn posts a blog to list how many posts and predictions were wrong. Take two talking heads off CNN and leave on McCaf, Mathews, Russert, Oberman, reporters for NBC and all the others that pull for Obama. Shame on you media. I hope the people show you that they decide, not you.

I guess some poeple have a strange notion of courage. 22 million people back at jobs is a significant record. for Bill Congrats for taking the tough stand on honesty and showing some backbone. Republicans pray they can shoot down Hillary now, like they would Obama in November. Let's give some Rove back to them in the form of a President that has refused to insult and personalize her opinion of the Republicans the way the Left and Right have assaulted the Clintons.

NYC

and Maxtrue too, welcome to our little corner of the internet

Mika has a brother and a father working with Obama and another brother working with John McCain.

Hmmm. Has anyone heard that before? I admit I haven't been a morning Joe watcher, but I haven't heard it any of the posts about MJ either. If this is so , MSNBC is covering it up and has a conflict of interest ......

oh fer the LOVE of pete!! Lester just got thru saying that both campaigns have denied the charges and then Witless says "as both campaigns get down and dirty.." was she listening? does anyone listen?

oops..scuse me..wasnt witless..

TO our new Commenters: We have few rules here and welcome all points of view. Come to think of it, do we have any rules??? Well, we don't tolerate spam and porn, which is mostly auto-deleted. Otherwise, anything goes. Some of the folks here have been with us since our June 2005 launch. Hope you stick around and get to know the gang. -- Craig

dang.. i was sure there was porn..

craig, muchacho! great job.. nothing like a fight with Barnacle to get everyone's heart started this morning.. i need more coffee.. (like a hole in the head)

*shocked gasp* DID you just inject RACY into this convo??

Witless
Noron
Tweety

and now poor poor Joe as Morning Load

We are so viscious at MSNBC's inane coverage, but it is fun.

there i go again, tylenol

you scamp!

craig..what's the word from Fla.. any dustups??

Craig..once again you are the voice of reason. I have heard explain things to the various "tv talkers", that just don't want to hear the truth. Not just about this so called "race issue" but on many occasions. At least you are capable of seeing both sides. MSNBC has turned into OBAMARAMA 24/7. The Morning "Joke" with Joe & Mika who HATE Hillary. Mika's family works for the Obama campaign and her brother works for John McCain. Follow that with Matthews - who had to apologiZe and then Tucker and it is non-stop Clinton Bashing. I live in Illinois, and I can tell you what kind of Senator Obama has been....present...like his votes.
The media has placeD such a crown on his head and not really looked into things regarding his background.
AND THAT'S NOT RACIST!!!. You are right...Obama's camp started it and the Oprah events did look like Civil Right rallies, and that's ok as you said, but it has to work both ways people.

Craig, like I first suggested a couple weeks ago, I still hope you'll consider doing a book on how the "news" media may influence the perceptions and subsequent voting behaviors of people who have a low level of involvement in the political process.

It would be an interesting way to juxtapose the positions you took in your last book.

Craig, if asked would you accpet a press position in the White House with HRC?

Also saw Ladonna O... Says need to have a quick gathering
And that Craig should host an after election party in Florida this week

Drug issue from Jan 2007

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BothSidesAllSides/story?id=2773754

And there are some people who do find cows a little sexy....

Given the dust up, I looked up the definition of Barnacle

Barnacle: Hermaphroditic organism that attaches permanently without migration to a rock or man made structure.

Craig, you are famous on the Internets. This is a comment from a poster on another blog I am on:

"They have an edition of Morning joe on this am W/Joe Scarborough covering the election in S.C. where he is really playing up this Bill Clinton playing the race card business.
The segment i caught had Mike Barnicle from up here in Boston and Craig Crawford)Congressional Qrtrly I think?) who is a native Floridian. He took Scarborough and Barnicle on about this so call race card issue asking them how where when? "Show me an example" he asked them. He basically told them both the were fabricating the issue. I agree.

Scarborough's dislike for the Clinton's is becoming more apparent. He agrees with those who support his Clinton race card argument and talks over those who don't. Crawford brought up the point that he thinks this media fabrication is having the reverse effect it driving voters towards Hillary.

I'll probably sound like a racist with this comment but there is a phenomenon where someone over compensates with their words and actions to prove to everyone, and may themselves, that they aren't a racist. I think that there is a lot of this going around.

IMO BC has earned the creds to go down and campaign in S.C.for his wife, in any community. When he takes on Obama, skin color is not a factor."

Renee,

You are right. My lapse of good sportsmanship.

1. I think Craig is right that the media is making race and gender an issue.
2. I think that Bill Clinton saying "race and gender shouldn't be a part of the race" was his way of spiking the media punchbowl about race and gender. That's all he needed to do, get the media drunk and let them do the dirty work of bringing up race and gender as an issue. Clinton isn't a racist, he's a tactical nuke. Obama & Edwards haven't figured that game out yet.
3. Perhaps Craig's unusual on-air agitation was a by-product of quitting smoking. ;-)

tactical nuke......lol

Craig Crawford: "[T]he evidence-free bias against the Clintons in the media borders on mental illness"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801260001

Wasn't it the media who helped elect mr bush?

Wasn't it the media who helped elect mr bush, twice.

Posted by: sturgeone

fixed your typo

To show how absurd this all is.

1. Photo of the Clintons with Rez

2. Did Obama supply this sleaze?

3. Did the Clintons supply this sleaze to make Obama look bad and keep the issue alive?

4. Did Obama supply the sleaze to create the impression the Clinton supplied the sleaze to make Obama look bad?

Where does it end? Does Obama mean thinking beyond conventional wisdom mean not thinking 2 is the right answer? And if it is, what moron would bring this issue back to life?

It is hard sometimes to see much difference between many Left Side pundits and Hannity. It only makes me more certain the Clintons are sitting in the center. I would love MSNBC, CNN and NBC to explain the bill Obama tried to introduce to the Amnesty package. It goes against the compromise and what Clarke wants as the Real ID. You all remember Clarke, now Obama's advisor. Then when questioned during the earlier debates, Obama talked about serious workplace enforcement. Read the transcript from the Illinois debate. In front of the Union no less he said that enforcement would be to force employers to give better wages and insurance to undocumented workers. The Union applauded which makes you wonder about their attentions span. Again he repeated this position until a recent debate where he blasted Bush for failing to make employers check the status of workers. Where is the Press? Asleep?

I could go on and show everyone the transcript of Obama's last speech to AIPAC. Forget all those "present" votes, but to slam Hillary for voting new sanctions (which Obama promised AIPAC) and then not show up to vote? He lies and says he didn't know about the vote when Congressional staffers contacted everyone days before. Had Clinton done this, we all would be reading it in WAPO and the NYT.

Recently western leaders have talked about making a nuclear first strike a policy to thwart conventional strikes. Russia declared this policy days ago. There is tension brewing in the Balkans and Russian activity in Eastern Europe. Now isn't Obama the head of the Senate Foreign Relations Sub Committee on Eastern Europe and NATO? Has he had a single meeting in three years? Does he offer a single comment on these important issues? Is he scared to talk as some suggest as President he would make that grand bargin with Iran? Does he comment on Iran's claim yesterday that they will not better US relations no matter who wins the White House?

So I mention this to suggest that the media is giving Obama the pass and he has not, like Reagan, linked his message of hope and change to any kind of confident stance in the world based on declared and detail policies. This is the objection I have with his Reagan quotes. Reagan was confident and we all knew what Reagan was going to do to rebuild our dense, make America First, restore pride in our abilities and challenge our threats in the world with ending conflict or trying to defeat us. He did not seek victory, but fought with a big stick to win the peace.

Now I'm more Liberal and don't buy into to much Reagan promoted as domestic policy, but it is amazing how media defends Obama's rehash of Reagan, his record, his behavior and his "taking off the gloves" after fumbling the first few debates. I suggest that media and surrogates advanced the race tactic. His camaign has been plagued by mistakes from the start -such is the learning curve of light-weights (no insult intended). I like Obama, I think one day he will be far wiser, but what is going on now is a joke which tries to vilify Clinton and lay the blame squarely at their feet and then Bush's.

No Bush No Cheny No Sense, now how friggin forward looking is that? How dumb does media and politicians think the American people are? Thanks for allowing me the rant.

sometimes the messenger needs an attack or two.......

YeeeeHaaaw!
look at all these new people...... I LOVE it..... the more the merrier....

welcome all you newbies..... stick around and play for a while....

dnd....
there you are, Sweetie.....
haven't seen you for a few days..... I was beginning to worry about you...

Bill Clinton is a political master and watching him show the other 2 how it's done is pure joy......

It is hard sometimes to see much difference between many Left Side pundits and Hannity.

---Maxtrue

who are these left side pundits of whom you speak?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9LhWUsrJnM

Senator Clinton and the MLK remark.
She wasn't talking about race at all but about why it is important to have a president who can get things done

the media always skips over the part where she says Kennedy couldn't get it done. Was she saying he was black too.

Does anyone have the stats on how many votes Obama may have missed in the past two years as opposed to how many votes Clinton has missed. Also a figure for their committee assignments.

I realize that when they are running for Prez, the Senators only get called to show up if their vote is vital to passage, but as a relatively new two year Senator running against a six year Senator, it would be nice to have the figures.

My daughter had a picture made with John Edwards last night......I'll have to find out if he talked her into changing her vote intentions today......

Craig, as long as you continue to be unbiased I will stick with you...I am sick to death of the alternative....Even Keith made me mad in recent shows....this Obama slant isnt fair .......

Thank you for standing up to the MSNBC’s “the Clintons are evil and race-baiting” alleluia chorus. I was SO happy to hear you give voice to my own interpretation of events. As the shrill media increasingly comments on race, if Obama is losing support among Caucasian voters, it's a backlash to the overheated discussion of race, not the Clintons or their surrogates.

Of all the Clinton bashers, Chris Matthews is so transparent in his absolute enmity toward the Clintons. His eyes, facial expressions, and body language reveal his deep hatred.

I am looking forward to an intelligent dissection of the media's influence on the electorate. They may have satisfied their own political blood lust, but in so doing it is they who are the spoilers.

Craig, man...thanks for speaking the truth. The media loves race baiting. They need to chill.

Donna.......it's even worse when you figure they might have agendas to grind......

Another AZ poll for your amusement. Headline: Dem Race Tightens in Arizona. The Rocky Mountain Poll conducted with 600 + people would suggest that Clinton's lead is shrinking from an earlier poll in November. OK, but what's behind the numbers? Clinton 37%; Obama 27%; Edwards 15%. However, the Undecideds are at 18% and the margin of error 6.5%. So, the Keith number is 24.5%. Like NH, the vote on the 5th can go in any direction. Polls are amusing, that's for sure!

Welcome to the new folks. This is an interesting give and take blog. Some days it will make you happy reading everyone's posts. Some other days will make you so damn mad you could throw something at the computer screen. Mostly, the madness comes from personal attacks rather than a lively discussion of issues, policies, and opinions. Craig has been a great host, very tolerant of dissent of his and others points of view. This is the third or fourth location on the Internet for this blog, so he's also had to learn how to become a techie.

Have a great weekend everyone. It will be interesting to see what you all have to say about SC tonight and FL on Tuesday.

his diss that HRC and others, unlike Obama, come with "baggage". Hey, experience and/or taking a stand earns you baggage. If you want to travel light vote "present".

Sometimes I'm easily amused. This amused me...

http://weeklyradioaddress.com/WRA20080126.htm

EPROF!!! I miss you and I love your posts. Please come back Feb 5th and spend some quality time. ;0)

Welcome all new comers and get to know us. We have republicans and Right Wingers. We have independents and moderates. We have Democrats and Left Wingers. We're a lively bunch and more importantly,

We are a neighborhood. I think we've proven that more than once.

Love thy neighbor.....they may get on your last nerve sometimes, but love them anyway. ;0)

Maybe the network should call the people on this blog for a balanced analysis of the campaign activities. We just may be Craig's secret weapon. :-)

I have to run, but Mathews vilifies Hillary as though he was Hannity's brother. Russert goes back to Lazio and if Bill was there on stage he would have flatten him with a tactical right fist. herad he once did to that weasel Morris who sits on FOX all night driveling. Some one hand that guy a tissue.

Perhaps I will come back with excerpts of Pundits from both sides and show the piling on. The talking points are similar: vile, nasty. power hungry, unrpincipled, corrupt, filip-floppers, crooks etc. Hell, I could swear the conversation was about Carl Rove. The Left is so upset they've played the race card they reserve for the Republicans and you can't blame the Republicans for having some fun. No matter what they say about facing Clinton, they know she is going to win.

Why else would the Republicans hold their fire on Obama and not qyestion the very items I listed above? Why not take apart his Vet history? Didn't Lieberman mentor Obama? 25% of his votes in Illi. were "present" from the dude who claims he takes important votes on controversila issues? He even missed the Patraeus vote. Remember, Obama is from the Iraq is Lost crowd. Is it really? Come November will he really say NOTHING positive has happened to McCain who can claim some credit for being Reagaensque about Iraq? Will McCain look into Obama's eyes and say, "Barak, I will never let American lives be lost in vain". With investment going into Iraq, with Piro's transcript of Saddam's confession of trying to fool the West, will Obama look good or bad? Hillary will hawk it up come November. She will point to Lefty hatred as the scars for giving the President the power to threaten force based on IC verdicts. She has much more meat to push the Reagan thing and some record to show America the economy isn't going down the crapper.

So yes, pundits on the Left Side sound much like FOX these days except Bill O'Reilly who has defended Hillary more than Mathews, Russert and McCafferty combined. Keep this last bimbo CNN who openly declares his support of Obama and fire Carville? LOL, such balance. You know balance to most Liberal media means conformity of Liberal slant. Until we clean up our own act Ladies and Gentlemen, the Republicans have our own crap to hang us with. To make my point clear. Colbert and Stewart have never been more sensible as when speaking without their writers. South Park rules because it goes after everyone (except Obama yet). We don't win by being hypocritical, we win by taking the best of FDR, JFK, Truman, parts of LBJ and Carter, Clinton and fashioning a leadership that unites, stands tall, is inclusive, rational and won't succumb to the convetional theater which sadly Obama has delivered. I feel no sympathy for Hillary slapping him silly. Perhaps it will knock some sense into him so one day this talented guy can lead both moderate Republicans and Democrats to the promised land.

Until then I want Hillary to stare down Ahmadinejad and twist some arms to get this country rolling gain. We have suffered for too long. Not because Bush did everything wrong, but because our discourse has been so pathetic. Again, thanks for everyone who is realistic enough to see beyond pundits, partisan derangement, PR from our worst enemies. Before you know it Chavez will seize land in neighboring countries and start conflict with Columbia. We cannot afford to be locked in creating a new Vietnam Syndrome while our adversaries plot and our economy falters without alternative energy. If Reagan showed up sporting a more Liberal head, I would say right on dude. For now we must make a much harder choice.

Just my opinion.......

Max out

NYC

i question the premise that matthews, russert or mccafferty are left side pundits.

of course there's arianna huffington......she's left side......

My daughter had a picture made with John Edwards last night.....

Posted by: sturgeone | January 26, 2008 2:06 PM

Now, sturg, maybe it takes someone else who grew up in the deep south to notice, but that's the most SOUTHERN thing I've ever heard you say! Do you see what I'm talking about???

Hi Craig,

Thank you, thank you, thank you. As an African-American female I was beginning to think that I was losing my mind. I kept looking at news stories trying to find the racism that practically all the cable news folks saw.

If we want to be brutally honest, black people started talking about race early in the game. We wondered, and rightly so, if Obama could be a viable candidate. Some wondered if he were black enough, some wondered if he were too black.

I decided to weigh the issues and went with HRC. Was it because she was female? Honestly, I am not sure. Originally, Biden was my favorite, but I knew he was not gaining traction. My admiration for HRC stems from the fact that she shows grace under fire. I noted when she lost in Iowa, she was so gracious, however, Sen. Obama did not concede in Nevada. Actions during adversity tells more than actions during success.

None of the campaigns is perfect, but it is patently unfair to confer sainthood on one camp and demonize the other.

Dems are making history regardless of who wins. Politics have always been a body contact sport. Win or go home!

I feel the racial backlash started when the Clintons made the comments about the role of Martin Luther King that “appeared” to diminish his role in the racial movement. And, Bill Clinton has made numerous remarks about possibly having “the first black president”, I feel to bring it to the forefront, especially to some of those bigoted white voters in SC, making them aware that yes this is a black man. As someone who has vacationed in SC many, many times, it is evident that the racial division is still there. There was a white elitist female who was interviewed on one of the national networks (probably CNN, MSNBC, or one of the C-Spans because those are about all I watch) who when asked why she could not vote for a black man her response was “well they are just different….everyone knows they are different”. If nothing else, Bill Clinton has made those same white people aware that there is indeed a black man running for president, something some white Southerners don’t like. I hope there are enough black voters who will come out to support Obama.

It would be great to also see the first female in the WH, but this time around, even though people who say they know her say she is kind and gentle, she sounds too harsh, overconfident, divisive and abrasive even if some say she is experienced. I like what Ted Sorenson said that “his kids played in the WH and that did not give them the experience to be president” commenting about Billary’s years in the WH. This comes from a white female who is only a year or so older than she. As an older person, I still say it is time to pass the torch to a younger generation with the seasoned, experienced individuals supporting them for real change...not more of the old politics of the last 16 years.

Hello to all you newbies...and welcome! I'm a relative newbie...just blew in with the Imus dust storm last April. If you stick around, you'll find good political conversation among people who have, for the most part, been very tolerant of each other's differences. Heck! At times, we even learn a thing or two from each other!

Craig...I found this list last April because you were a voice in the wilderness then, trying to inject reason into another media feeding frenzy. Thanks for being your own man, for not going along with most of the other media-types, and for stating your opinions clearly!

Bill Clinton never called himself the first black president.

Harbor......I'll have to study on that for a bit.......

More reviews of Craig's performance from some other blog:

http://gbuddy.blogspot.com/2008/01/craig-crawford-against-world-on-msnbc.html

sturg...

If you can't find it, let me know...I'll point it out. It's kinda' like when I used to say "Let the window up, please", and my northern-born ex would look at the window and say..."Okay, window, you can get up now."

Indeed, someone already has posted an account of this morning's fight on Craig's Wikipedia page. Pretty funny.

Karolenna,

You may need to go back to the original quotes rather than the way that the media "presented" the quotes. Clinton's remarks about MLK were that he was the "dreamer" and without his actions, Johnson did not have the weapons to push through Civil Rights legislation, but without Johnson, MLK did not have the presidential "bully pulpit" to get things done. It was a partnership not a contest.

This is what we have been fussing about all day. That it is the "image" not a reality, but the longer and harder the media pushes the idea of the "image", the closer it comes to being a reality.

Pauline,

I picked Clinton because of her positions and experience. I like Obama a great deal, but would like to see him on the national scene a little longer before going for the top job. With you my first choice was Biden simply because of his global views.

well....it would have to be had a picture made.............instead of picture taken......?

I dont rightly know......

Fabulous!!!! It so needed to be said and I haven't heard anyone else question how these comments were racist, I thought I was the only one!!!! You should be out there saying this on every show, how about Chris Mathews!!!!

Hey CRAIG, as usual u stunk, after u finished talking the stench was so bad of feces and sulfur smell that MSNBC had to hire a cleaning crew to get rid of the smell that came from u through ur mic.... U proved me right again of ur bias. are u really that desperate for a job in a potential clinton administration that u would simply mislead and lie about the obvious, the more i look at u the more i see how u resemble bubba, u sure yal aint brothers from the sticks... after talking to a few friends across the aisle i can assure u BILLIARY-ITES that if she does get the nomination the new lawsuits that will come out on bubba recent indiscretions, they wont go very far in court but the news play on fox will be enough to get mainstream media coverage, which will remind voters once again of the clintons... remember the republicans number one strategy always attack at the point of strength not weakness and bubba is hilliary strength, just say i told u so, republican white house for four more years heheheh ;)

Clinton said Kennedy wanted to but couldn't get it done and then Johnson was able to. it was about the power of the president and the importance of the will of the person in office. It could have been about any issue.

Hi Lard,

I liked that whole post on the blog. Nice outlook.

Bingo, sturg! My mom used to use that phrase all the time.

"A picture made"...makes me think of photoshop pic.

Harbor.......(lol)

JohnR,

YOu can certainly make your point without being so crude and rude. I've seen it before.

What are you just looking for people here to dislike you?

To Katherine, I possibly did not make myself clear. I was not referring to Bill Clinton calling himself the first black president. Numerous times he has commented publicly about possibly having the first female president or the first black president, referring to Barak Obama. Now there may be some who are prejudiced about having a female for president (especially Hilliary), but I would say there are probably more prejudices about a black person, even though he may be one of the most intelligent, logical thinking people to come along in years. Ironic to me that if a half white and half black person (male or female) who I think is qualified cannot become president, we do not seem to have evolved much as a nation.

But don't trouble yourself over it Jamie, I don't expect you to get it. Just as many on this list didn't understand just how disgusting Imus' "nappy headed ho" remark was, will keep apologizing for the race baiting tactic of HillCo

baloney

and who is keeping the issue alive are you saying that morning load is a tool of the Clintons and they are running an all day racial divide program to help the Clintons

no other media outlet is spending this much time on the issue in this way. .

Hi Sheila. I'll give Buddy a shout-out to join the fray over this way.

hey shelia, craig comments were crude and rude to many....

Karolena at 3:00 pm

Are you saying people wouldn't know Obama was black if Bill Clinton didn't mention it.

And he is not the only one who speaks of those choices

But John you seem to like us.....

Why can't you point out your Vision of what Craig is doing without being to verbally rude? I lke you. But its a waste of your time and ours for you to Turn All of Us Off to your views by being rude and crude.

Common! I slip sometimes too and everyone here lets me know it. Just share your views, (which are legit) with more civility.

Hey John R....as usual u stunk, after u finished posting the stench was so bad of feces and sulfur smell that the C-Listers had to hire a cleaning crew to get rid of the smell that came from u through ur post....

Right back atcha...ROTFLMAO!!!

EPROF,

You waded in and made sense. thanks Buddy!

I think both sides are not speaking the same language but saying the same thing.

EdVB...

So nice to see you back! Several of us here were worried that you'd left us, as you've not posted for awhile, and we were missing your thoughtful - and often humorous - posts. Glad to know you haven't bailed on c-list!

Craig now has his own topic under "Morning Joe" commentary on MSNBC

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/board.aspx?BoardID=877

JohnR...

I'm going to be honest. I don't like you...yet. I don't enjoy people who throw insults, especially vile ones, when they could make their point in ways that others would actually consider and try to understand. If you want to have a conversation with us, please dial back the venom. Obviously, no one can force you to do that, but I don't think you'll find many of us 'listening' to you unless you do....

hey shelia, i like u too ;) lol

KGC

Was that query addressed to me or the person above the commentary? I haven't said anything like that. I've been defending Craig all day.

Lard,

Tell buddy to come on over. Its lively and we nibble, but we certainly don't bite like the rest. ;0)

John R

"craig comments were crude and rude to many"

Craig is never rude or crude to anyone. He is unfailingly good humored, balanced, and genuinely nice. Save the insults for a place where they play that way.

BTW,

Just to answer the question. Shaheen was the person who reigned because of the cocaine remark.

Just giving back to our EPROF.

...LOL That's resigned....lol

JohnR,

Jamie is right. Annndddd, you are going to find that we here can really debate and argue out opinions, but we are never crude and we all genuinely like each other. Including Cahoona.

You will get more response from Craig too, if you can stop "Attacking The Messenger"....sorry folks. I had too. ;0)

Jamie
to Karolena who claims only Bill Clinton ever talks about the choice between Senator Obama and Senator Clinton as a choice between a woman and a black man.

Here's what Jesse Jackson SENIOR said, which hasn't been reported much either:

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/15/6388/
Little things get magnified out of proportion, and start rubbing the raw wounds of race and gender.

When Obama said that Hillary was “likeable enough,” it was not a gender insult; it was a gentle compliment. These two were friends; they have campaigned together. To turn it into anything else is simply silly. When Hillary said Lyndon Johnson was necessary to get the Voting Rights Act passed, of course she’s right. It took years of demonstrations, litigation and legislation to challenge segregation. King appreciated what Johnson helped achieve, even as he continued to challenge him. Hillary’s statement is not a racial insult.

Jamie,

I am not misrepresenting what Clinton said about MLK, but here is what one of the Clinton’s consultants had to say about the remarks:

“A Harlem-based consultant to the Clinton campaign, Bill Lynch, called the comments “a mistake” and said his own phone had been ringing with friends around the country voicing their concern.”

Why did Clinton even need to go there because she is a white woman? If she thought she was pandering to the blacks, it did not work with some.

As someone who idealized the Clintons in the ’90s, I want to move forward “without them”, because it is more of the same old politics. I’d love to see the Edwards/Obama ticket. Too many people do not like the Clintons. I’m in conservative Ohio and many around me, even independents, say they would vote for Obama or Edwards, but not the Clintons. Even I will not vote for the first time in my life if she is the candidate. I just don’t want her in there and cannot bring myself to vote for her. My guess is if she wins the primaries she will lose the general because then the Clintons' “true” colors will come into play.

I have seen polling in Ohio and that is crap

Dr. King carried on a lively back and forth correspondence, some of it on the pages of Esquire Magazine, with William Faulkner over the race issue both agreeing on the goal but differing on the way........

Katie,
Karolena was expressing her opinion and observations around her region in Ohio. She has a right to give her opinion.

It has nothinng to do with polls.

1950democrat.

Welcome and great post! Great point.

Sheila
Karolena can take care of herself

As for racism in the campaign, very early on MIchelle Obama, when asked why AA support wasn't higher for BO, said they would "wake up and get it" and talked about fear and heritage of slavery, etc etc.

I think I'm going to go inject some race into myself. I hear it's an amazing high.
Catch you all later.

MSNBC and Morning Joe is really getting blasted by the public for their coverage today, and it is coming from all sides not just Clinton supporters.

Gee the earth is about to be hit by an uncontrolled U.S. satellite in Feb or March. I remember the last time this hapened. It landed in an uninhabited area of Australia I think. Now that is something to be concerned about.

Kathrine,

I have a right to support a newby too.

Karolena

Have you heard the remarks in their contex
or are you depending on other people's reporting

And I am still curious if you meant to say only Bill Clinton was describing the choice between the two as between a black man and woman.

LLIB,

You were lurking. Have a great day!

What's that.......up in the sky.......why, it's a damned Heineken..........it must be miller time.......

Whenever I hear someone say they won't vote if Democratic candidate x doesn't get the nomination, I just think they either don't know enough to vote, had really no intention of voting, or like the leadership in this country just the way it is. Or in other words, "If I can't have my way I will take my marbles and go home." Oh yeah, that will sure teach us won't it?

Zooey,

Third alternative. They are really from the opposing party and are just trying to stir the pot. Virtually everyone here has said that whomever the Dem nominee, that is the way they will vote. Someone even mentioned an animated jar of mayonaise.

Holy Cow........Craig done knocked a satellite outa the sky.......

Sheila
Karolena was here the other night and is quite capable of taking care of herself

Katie,

Common, even though she is, I'm being myself and you know me. Just let me be myself please? :0)

Here's the info on Skylab http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylab

Let us hope that the consequences of this newest falling bird is equally harmful. Australia fined the U.S. government $400 for littering.

harbor, u accuse me of insulting Craig, craig has been insulting folks for a very long time his style is smooth and non-threatening but it is still insulting. i am a daily watcher of keith and chris show, maybe have missed 5 or so in the last 7 years and i have heard craig many times insult people in a very nice and calm way. especially people he disagrees with. now why is it okay for him but not okay for others. where in all my comments do i personally attack him or insult him personally, i always address what he or someone has said. my style maybe rough but what difference does it make if u are insulted smoothly or roughly hehehehe :) i have every right to attack the opinions and comments of others just as they have that same right. always rememebr one man's junk is another man's tresure and one man's tresure is another man's junk....depends on ur vantage point

You got it right as usual, Craig.

Unfortunately, I think the race issue is just another symptom of the MSM wanting to cover politics as a sporting event. Even worse, they seem to want to turn it into WWE wrestling, instead of just an NFL game. (that is - add titilating reality-challenged story lines to jazz up the event.)

Sheila
vice versa

I just found some junk.

labber..........have you seen CNN's "Ballot Bowl"?

When Obama said likeablle enough many people took it for what it was: an insult. He interjected himself and looked petty. Eventually he apologized. Jaclson got it completely wrong as most things he thinks about.

Why must people look to pundits to tell them what their own ears hear? Hillary had every right to talk about MLK and LBJ. It is absurd to think otherwise. And many Reagano Democrats in OHIO where I went to college prefer the Clintons. The uglyiness going on now is designed to say, "look the Clintons are too divisive". Give me a break. They were dividisve because the Republicans went after them for eight years and found nothing but oral sex. Want to compare that to the Bush years? Want to compare that to racial division or even pandering to the Left while half of this country remains conservative?

JFK, LBJ, Reagan, were all unconfrontational. Do you remember riots over Reagan? Experiance and success brins baggage and so far no criminal baggage for Clinton. Of course she draws fire because she's moved to center where the extrmes don't like. NEOCONs hated Reagan for kicking them out. Clinton had a Republican SECDEF and a black Chief of Staff. It is absurd to buy into the image the Left and Right paint of the Clintons emlarging warts into mountains.
Yep, a two-term Democrat is too lowly to be associated eight years later.

GOP is just praying Obama pulls this out. For once they might play the race card if the Dems don't beat them to it first.

BTW, there is another "pundit" who has recognized that MSM is making mountains out of molehills when it comes to comments made by Bill Clinton. Jon Stewart. On one of his shows this week he did a brilliant job of showing MSM blowing things out of proportion. He showed clips of commentators from many outlets talking about Bill Clinton being on a rampage about some issue or another. Then he would show the clip of the actual comments made by Bill -- and he was just calmly but forcefully making his point.

Sturgeon -

Oh no - ballot bowl? I haven't seen that. I guess its worse than I thought.

I kid you not.

Sometimes I start reading the comments here and I stop halfway through and I wonder if I should continue. At that point I think of how parents sometimes get fed up and threaten to turn the car around and go back home.

Corey...........are we there yet?

I just lost a long post regarding where I've been and what I think.

Short version:
Broken computer and not happy with tone of comments I've been reading when I lurked from the office.

HW,
Thank you.

KGC,
Thank you, Shaheen is who I was thinking of.

So in otherwords KGC,

I'm not aloud to make and opinion or soppurt someone unless I aggree with you?

I never attacked you and so I don't see the problem except I supported Karolenna's right to speak about what she had observed in her community without having to state what a national poll had just released?

I'd say, I have a right to point these things out, unless while I was gone, the rules had changed here.

EdVb
you always make the tone a little better
especially for those of us who can be tone deaf

If anybody has to go to the bathroom , do it now. Because we're not stopping anywhere along the way!

Sheila
you should do what you want
I was just responding to your post
I didn't tell you to stop or anything
I just said she can take care of herself
you are reading way too much into this

all right, Corey.......when we get hooooooooome........

I thought we had a ruuuuuuuuuuuule.......
-----Lenny Bruce, cap-line from a bit about law and order during the Berkeley Concert on Bizarre records.

JohnR...

You make valid points, but you have to allow others to have their own opinions without trying to back them (us) into corners. I'd bet that Craig is happy to allow you to have your own opinion. Please extend the same courtesy to him. And I don't mean by that that you shouldn't disagree with him. By all means, disagree...and state your opinion well. The difficulty for me is that I find some of your word choices crude and vulgar. But that's just me. Different strokes for different folks.

often I just sit back and read but I have to say I really do not like the way some of you treat each other sometimes

sturg, you make me laugh

lighten up y'all. here's an Andy Borowitz I pulled out of his archives and it pretty much solves this race/gender issue

http://www.borowitzreport.com/archive_rpt.asp?rec=6813&srch=

JohnR,

let me point out how you come across;

"Hey CRAIG, as usual u stunk, after u finished talking the stench was so bad of feces and sulfur smell that MSNBC had to hire a cleaning crew to get rid of the smell that came from u through ur mic"

Pretty rude and crude buddy, Craig Crawford would never talk like that. Craig is a pundit. He has a right to give his view and analysis and this is what he is paid for. He's not a journalist who is supposed to be nutral.

Harborwoman was reacting to that statement you made that I pasted here. So, I hope you get it now.

Your opinion is valid. Expect to be argued with, but be prepared to debate and be prepared to give facts and links. Also, be prepared to walk away and "Aggree to Disagree".

These people are inclusive and will be as civil as you can be, but they will also become quiet and ignore you at some point.

Now if YOU ARE a Right Wing operative, just keep going and ALL of us will ignore you.

OK OFF THE STUMP

Thanks, KGC, part of that lost post was that I try to be fair and funny, but not necessarily in that order.

"You would think that none of these people had ever been through an election before, with everyone reaching for the oxygen tanks over the "negative campaigning" in South Carolina. Hello, Lee Atwater? Anybody remember him? And Digby is right, all media concern trolls joining with right wing concern trolls about how Big Bad Bill is being mean to poor Barack only serves to infantalize Obama. Clinton has unfairly characterized many of Obama's positions but Obama has stood up to it well and fired back with gusto. Anyone who truly does care should be cheering him on for proving he is tough enough to take on the Republicans and get off the fainting couch, because most people over the age of 12 who aren't paid to punditize on teevee know that compared to what's coming this is pure little league.:

Jane Hamsher

Am I glad I found this Blog! I have read many of the comments today and feel a new sense of sanity.I too thought Mika and Joe had gone mad!
The real issue with the Republicans is that they have a real dilemma, they are either going to be beat by woman, or an African American.

Colleen,

LOL Its a bit different this campaign cycle, for sure.

EdVB...

You aren't the only one who's been a bit taken aback by some of the heated rhetoric on the list of late. There've been times I've not said much, simply because I didn't want to get caught up in the fight. However, I've finally decided to pin it on people's intense support for their own chosen candidate...and irritation with those who support other candidates.

And speaking of that...I NEED TO REMIND ALL OF YOU THAT THIS IS NOT YET A 2-PERSON RACE FOR THE DEM NOMINATION!!!

The thing is, if people (AA) think it is racist, it probably is, don't you think? I know when I heard Hill say "spade work" in NH, I stopped what I was doing and told my husband that better be a NH saying. I have since seen it used by others in the past, mostly politicians, and once by Obama (but I saw it on the internet, so who's to know for sure). But, this was after "cocaine" and hints that he might have been a dealer (no one ever said that about Bush), the "shuck & jive" comment by a surrogate, the MLK-Johnson comment (that Obama said "it was ill-advised" and that's all I read that he said) and there might be more that I didn't actually hear or read. I think people want this to stop...and perhaps the outcry was to attempt to stop it in it's tracks. I think it's made us all look again at what we say and that's a good thing. But perhaps "are they racist or not" is really detracting from what most of the Democrats who are troubled by the Clintons since NH and that is the blatant dishonesty.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/25/AR2008012502780.html

Colbert King
Billary's Adventures in Primaryland

shelia, im sorry u have been sooooo sheltered in life, most guys at least sport guys know thats a phrase used when someone has a bad game etc... it is not personal, craig attempted to play his game on msnbc with his defense of BILLIARY and i said he stunk meaning what he was doing stunk and the odor is still bad...., craig knows exactly what im talking about

Harbor,

And I want to tell you that My secret wish is that Edwards comes in 1st if only to turn heads. I love Obama, but I would like to see a good guy like Edwards prove how wrong both campaigns are. :0)

shelia, u know what, i just thought about what u said and to call me a right wing operative is very insulting and demeaning, u can can me anything but that!!!!!! ;)

ditto, harborwoman, Martin Luther King III has endorsed John Edwards, you know, the white guy

The New York Times recognizes "shuck and jive" as common usage and not racist -it is permitted use in their newstories and columns. I think people are over reacting to make their own point

The Woodstock Notion
...man," he said. "Woodstock was shuck and jive, a TV commercial about money...of the epochal 1969 rock festival, and the moribund Catskills resort, desperate...Virtually nobody under 65 showed up, and now Mr. Hoffman watched elderly good...

August 5, 1994 - By Neal Karlen - Opinion - 1141 words
Critic's Choice: New DVD's
...Cab Calloway, Fats Waller, the Nicholas Brothers and (from the realm of high art) Katherine Dunham and her dancers. Rural shuck and jive uneasily coexists with uptown elegance under the...

January 17, 2006 - By Dave Kehr - Movies - 1302 words
Sports of The Times; St. Joseph's Martelli Has Reason to Be Happy, but Not Satisfied
...Stanford lost to Washington, of course, and if there is any justice in the world of college sports -- and I believe there is, despite what...about that, too. Most coaches will shuck and jive and cliché you to death about how...

March 8, 2004 - By WILLIAM C. RHODEN - Sports - 1034 words
FILM IN REVIEW; 'Agent Cody Banks 2' -- 'Destination London'
...international youth orchestra sponsored and housed by Lord Kenworth's unsuspecting...true mission than she is letting on, and his C.I.A. handler, a portly...misadventures flirt with old-school shuck and jive. Directed by the British filmmaker...

March 12, 2004 - By DAVE KEHR - Movies - 458 words
Young In The Burbs; The Life of the Party
...guys who work at the gas stations and electronic stores during the week...toward her. He mocks her appearance and she goes back into her house. Sara...he arrives. Vinny. Vinny, the shuck-and-jive hipster who prowls the mean streets...

April 9, 2000 - By Charlie LeDuff - Magazine - 1688 words
Why Bush Won't Wait
...prolonged game of inspection cat-and-mouse, are suddenly being sent...ever like a dead end. Saddam's shuck and jive shows he will never come clean. The antiwar tantrums of France and Germany just encourage his intransigence...

January 25, 2003 - By BILL KELLER - Opinion - 1558 words
Who Gets to Tell a Black Story?
...but you're just another nigger.' ''And so either you succumb to it and you roll over and you grin and you bear it and you shuck and you jive and you laugh when it ain't funny and you scratch when it ain't itching. And you go about being...

June 11, 2000 - By JANNY SCOTT - U.S. - 8288 words
More Trouble on the Turnpike
...their parents cut stone in Newark and stirred great vats of soup at...jobs (the Reverends Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, former House...Representative Henry Hyde) shuck, jive, obfuscate, spin -- and survive. The brutal fact of...

August 14, 2004 - By Eric Dezenhall - Opinion - 923 words
Beyond the Grassy Knoll
...the nobility of John F. Kennedy and his presidency, they ought to jettison...now about Kennedy's philandering and the Mafia's rumored role in the...say: ''Hagiography sanctifies shuck-and-jive politicians and reinvents their expedient...

May 20, 2001 - By Laura Miller - Arts - 1491 words

Well JohnR,

Being Naive, I guess i have never heard that type of rudeness from sportscasters either. but, even if I did, I would speak in a smarter manner to get my point across.

Now. I'm finished with your White Elephant. The beating is over and no more flesh to be beaten as far as I am concerned.

I listened to Morning Joke on MessMSNBC this morning against my better judgement. The Clinton bashing and persistent race baiting by Joe, Mika and 90% of their guests who were obvious Obama partisans was so over the top, it was disgusting.

It was like a breath of fresh air to see and hear Craig Crawford not only hold his ground but inject some sense of balance and logic to the discussion. The reason why the White vote is peeling away from Obama imo doesn't have anything to do with the Clintons, it is the media who keeps shouting about it and trying to state that the Clintons are racist. Any normal person watching this primary andknowing the facts and the Clinton's history could see that this was a g ross distortion.

I find it interesting that Jim Clyburn seems to enjoy showing up on talk shows, republican radio shows taling about race and Bill Clinton needing to chill while subtly showing his preference for Obama (when he declared himself neutral). I heard him on Bill Bennet's show on Friday talking about he hoped that the Bradley affect wouldn't happen in SC the way it did in NH. I was like, WTF! I couldn't believe he said that.

Also, what of Obama talking in ghetto speak to the Black community for the last two days, '...go get cousin Pooking and lazy Rae, Rae of the couch and tell them to vote', '...don't be bamboozled and hoodwinked..'.

Anyone who knows Malcolm X's history knows that they were his famous words railing against Whites.

Of course, the dumb media cover this or even Congressman John Lewis's comments supporting Hillary and saying that the Obama camp was using the race card. Hmm...

Anyways, Thanks Craig for being the lone voice of reason in a biased univervose of Obama love at MessMSNBC...that's why I've switched to FauxNews who seem to be at least fair to Hillary....go figure.

Ann.....it wasnt Hillary who said "spade work" ........just by co-incidence it was Karl Rove. He also referred to Barack being lazy and wanting to play basketball......

the republicans are coming! the republicans are coming!

OK..it's time for the Barney Song...

Everybody sing....

"I love you...you love me...we're best friends, like friends should be....la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la...)

Ann,

I think the initial use of the term "spadework" was genuinely innocent as it is a common term for someone who is willing to do the nitty gritty work of any enterprise.

It became racist when Rush Limbaugh separated the single word into two very separate words of "Spade Work" with a sound emphasis on "Spade" and turned it into a long rif. He is a master at using inflection, tone, and emphasis to create a negative. Since that happened the Clinton quote has been popping up all over and in You Tube with voice overs and badly sinc'd videos to make it look truly horrid.

This is what we have been going on about all day. All three of the remaining Dem candidates are intelligent, accomplished people. We all have different reasons for selecting the candidate we choose to support. Those reasons can get heated, but we do try to back off into live and let live and just wish the media would do the same.

As far as the sports reference goes...there is a former NFL player called "Stink" (Mark Schlereth). :)

EdVB.... it's great to see you posting again....
hey if only the rude post.... then that's all any of us will have to read.... I vote for you to post your always thoughtful posts and give us something gracious to read.....

Sheila..... when in Las Vegas a few yrs ago.... Rick and I went into a sports lounge to watch the Patriots football game..... there were a few women there besides myself.... but it was easily 95% men and the words and testosterone floating around would have set your hair on fire...... BTW... the Patriots won and I put a bet on them....

A agree with Jamie

LOLOLLOO Linda....your not helping me. LOLOL

Ok,. So I give. JohnR's statements to Craig were not rude according to today's standards of behavior..

I will cave.

Re the Obama "bamboozled" quote. It was probably a reference to the Spike Lee movie "Bamboozled"

It's a long article but well worth reading for its view of a dichotomy in the AA population.

http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/filmnotes/bamboozled.html

Just checked in from this a.m. Wow--fast & furious. Not sure where it's all leadimg. this a.m. most of us were in agreement that Craig's comments on msnbc were voicing the frustration that lots of us have been feeling about the media. Reading today's followups have been difficult.Hope the hostility is short lived.

The comment by Maxtrue "the more you talk about race, the more dems are weakened" says it all. Thought that most of those here have the same goal, don't we want to take back the white house? Rep. are loving this.

Sheila..........hey....he was ruder than hell.....nasty and ignernt.......

LOL Thanks Sturg! culinairies unite!

forget race and gender....Edwards invokes maturity, saying he "represents the adult wing of the Dem Party"

Edwards Rising in South Carolina

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012608Y.shtml

i thought about telling him to go sit on a stump but decided I might sound nasty and ignernt......

Coreen,

Hurry Back

Apropos of nothing...I simply got a kick out of this....

Texas Candidate Alters Photo in Mailer
Fri Jan 18, 10:00 PM EST

HOUSTON — A mailer from a congressional candidate's campaign contains a photo of his head attached to an image of a different body that makes him look thinner.

The photo is presented as a true image of Dean Hrbacek, a Republican former mayor of Sugar Land. In reality, it is a computerized composite of Hrbacek's face and someone else's slimmer figure, in suit and tie, from neck to knee.

Hrbacek, a tax lawyer and accountant, did not immediately return a call to his campaign headquarters Friday by The Associated Press. He is seeking the nomination to run against Democratic U.S. Rep. Nick Lampson.

Campaign manager Scott Broschart acknowledged to The Houston Chronicle that the image is a fake. Hrbacek has been so busy that he had no time to pose for a full-length photo for the mailing, Broschart said.

"He may appreciate that we took a few pounds off him," Broschart said. "I think the voters ... are more concerned with the issues as opposed to pretty photo shoots."

Republican political consultant Allen Blakemore of Houston, who has no client in the congressional race, said there's no law against the practice "other than the laws of gravity — the negative effect on your polling numbers and popularity when you do such things."

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Colleen,

I have missed you. ;0)

I'm with sturg, Sheila! Stick to your guns! We know rude and crude when we see it. And this ain't no stinkin' sports bar! (No offense, RR!)

LOLOLOL Laughing @ Harbor! OK, and thanks for your support!

you too, Sheila. I have left several times because of the meanness and personal attacks, but I can't stay away. Sooooo, here I am again. And you, too.

Sheila....
my Las Vegas story wasn't to excuse John R..... I was just reminded of my experience back then and related the story to you....

geeeez..... girl..... you are so touchy today..... :0}

Colleen,

Just stay and go and come back. I have to you know. Its a different place than when we first started, but we can at least keep the original fire lit too. I finally decided that.

And, with Harborwoman and Lardass and Hipster and pogo and more, it really does seem like the the cerebral high plain it was at times.

wow too much going on here to respond to everything today, but enjoying the read. for those who have more to say, MSNBC has opened a thread on the Morning Joe Message Board: http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=541402

RR,

I thought you didn't think it was rude and so i was going with the status quo. I've been wrong a lot too.

No I was bowing to you.

I could also tell the story about Rick being taken from the audience and onto the stage by the Blue Man Group during the same trip....

but at this rate.... y'all might accuse me of being a racist for talking about blue men...... ;0)

my co-host and I were just talking about finding little places in Europe which gave us the feeling of "going home".......and I mentioned the Lascaux caves as being a good place to start....and the next thing you know we were talking about evolution....... a Huckabee ad came on the TV and I thought about my baptist relatives in Alabama.......and then I look up and see Tim Russert on the television talking rot.....geez.....are primaries ALWAYS like this?

LOLOLOL Renee, Thanks I think that was a good one!

Hey Craig,

How are you doing with all this celeb? Can you believe it?

Another good political website...

http://www.vote-smart.org/index.htm

There is no money. No matter what the candidates are talking about --it will take at least two years to begin to see any real change. OBM has become like scroogetown.

There will be no peace dividend...just the big Bush debt.

Thanks harbor,

I never knew it existed. I am going to examine.

Sheila - THanks. :-) I don't know how to do quotes here yet. My whole post about MLK was a quote from Jesse Jackson Sr.

"Sheila..........hey....he was ruder than hell.....nasty and ignernt......."

ditto that!!!!!!

1950democrat..

Wow, It was so eloquent! I'm glad you clued me in. In the past few years, I have been listening more to Jackson Senior because the anger seems to have racteded down a bit and the humanitarian can be sensed more.

Thanks so much!

You are a class act, Craig. One of the few. Thanks for standing up and yelling: "Stop the madness!"

In doing so, you injected some much needed objective sanity into this presidential primary that has become such a circus of sensationalism. It seems that you are one of the few who understands that the point of news coverage is not to let the people know who the pundits like or dislike. It is to report on what is happening.

The thing that is most amusing to me is that most of the media seems to be operating on the faulty assumption that the American public trusts them, or cares what they think. The arrogance present in this assumption is beyond astounding. After their delivering us Bush, the rape of the constitution, and the Iraq war on a silver cheerleading platter, do the press REALLY think that the voting public thinks of them as Walter Cronkite? They are delusional. They think they can wear the shoes of Murrow or Rather? What the hell are they smoking?

Please let your colleagues know that readership and ratings do not constitute trust or being taken seriously. After all, lots of people watch professional wrestling.

The fact that they blather on about the public not trusting Bill or Hillary Clinton, the dirty nasty racists, when the voters keep saying otherwise at the ballot box is becoming truly amusing. The punditry are bloviating themselves into total irrelevance in this country, and are too busy incestuously high-fiving each other over who has the snarkiest latest Clinton dig to even see it.

Here is the truth, as your average voting Joe Sixpack sees it:

The press spent 8 years spewing hate and going crazy over the sex life of a president who actually did very well by the American people and the world, if not by his wife. Then they turned around and swore to us that George Bush was a uniter and a nice guy and the greatest thing since sliced bread. The country went to hell in a handbasket, and it took the press til the end of his second term to even BEGIN to admit maybe he was not the Golden Boy they had gushed over in a swoon.

In hindsight, Joe Average is thinking to himself that maybe the politcal pundits don't know what they are talking about, ever. This is the dynamic that is happening in the voting booth. This is the dynamic that the press with their giant egos simply refuses to see or identify or recognize. The ugly truth is they have become infotainment - watched for the amusement factor, but taken about as seriously as Jerry Springer's guests throwing chairs.

But it is out here, in the land of real hurting people, that this is happening. It's a world they know nothing of, so they keep scratching their heads in puzzlement that we won't vote the way they instruct us, for the next smiling photogenic speechmeister that they have taken a shine to. The curtain has been pulled back.

The bald truth is we trust even that scalliwag philanderer Bill Clinton, or the wonky, practical, un-scintillating Hillary a lot further than we would trust any of the talking heads on cable news.

And that is saying something, indeed.

Dear Mr. Crawford,

I am a sane resident of IA. with a sane son in AL and a sane best friend in CO. ---we are all so sick of the twisted MEDIA analacyst. For example how did the statement it "took a president to get civil rights legislation passed" get twisted into " IT TAKES A SMARTER WHITE GUY TO GET SOMETHING DONE FOR A DUMBER BLACK GUY"---- I can't interpret or think like this. The fact "is it took the cooperation of a President leader and a black leader to get civil rights legislation passed". The statement reflects the importance of working together---but in the end it was twisted out of context and in my opinion is sending the whites and blacks into their defensive corners! Commentators keep asking why Obama has lost the support of white voters in SC----go figure!

I have sent my thoughts to various commentators and hosts. It is the Sat. morning before the SC primary. I just saw you with Mika B., Joe S., and Mike Barnicle. Thank you for trying to speak up about the insanity of the MEDIA. Unfortunately Joe Scarbourough is so driven by what HE wants to get across---that he would not allow you to speak or to counter Mike Barnicle's defense of the media----another example of how the commentators direct and influence. It truly has turned into an insane spectacle.

Pat Buchanan came on next and he is relatively sane. He talked about the biological principal that if you look at a specimen long enough it starts to CHANGE and he made mention that the 1,000's of press have examined the "specimens" day after day!

Immediately after the NH primary I watched Matthews and Buchanan and Robinson bring up the Bradley affect and at least Buchanan has the integrity to admit the MEDIA has a role in this insane race issue!

This is the e-mail that I previously sent to Hardball, Joe, Tucker, Newsweek, Abrams, Countdown and if I can figure out Buchanan's statement on CHANGE then surely the media should be able to figure it out! Michelle from IA.


Thoughts from IA:

It's the Media stupid---it's the Media!

I am absolutely disgusted with the media influence in this election process. I have observed commentators whom I believed to be fair and balanced morph into frenzied members of the media hunting pack working to take the prey down. They like the hunt and they like being a part of the take down.

This election process has turned into a media event of twisted, misrepresented, manipulated words---injected with a commentators perception and spin---I believe many times intentionally meant to keep the pot stirred and on the burner.

Many viewers hear the spin before we see the rerun clip of the actual speaker intially speaking. After the dramatic spin is brow beat over and over to we viewers --- it changes our perceptions---it changes our demeanor---it turns us into part of the hunting pack! We lose our common sense in regard to the issues facing America---like a war we are still involved in where people are still DIEING and we haven't won. We go off in the ditch----and make choices in defense of or to spite a candidate. That's wrong.

Each time a commentator speaks John Stewart of the Daily Show needs to follow up and show the public how idiotic the twist, misrepresentation, and spin is. J. Stewart needs to bring us back to reality!

When Obama won in IA. race was not an issue---when he lost in NH. the birth of the race issue and the Bradley affect took place. The candidates didn't spawn the race issue THE MEDIA DID. The media poured salt into a sensitive wound that exploded into the irrational political battering that is going on still today.

The media spawned the gender issue. The media keeps reminding us of those "Clinton" years that we don't want to remember! (who decided we don't want to remember those prosperous yrs)?

It is a shame in America when the media can browbeat the public and influence voters in a presidential election.

It's a shame that the Media has such a powerful influence that the candidates have to stoop to media level and defend themselves in regards to media spawn which in turn does nothing but tear a party to pieces and divide a country. If the candidate doesn't respond in kind he/she will get Swiftboated like Kerry did!

It's the Media stupid---it's the Media!

Tim Russert is simply disgusting. I've read several accounts of an event that happened in the past few days....at a Clinton talk, a black preacher stood up and said he didn't think a black man could be elected. According to EVERY account I read, Bill Clinton answered, "I hope that's not true." I never read one account that the man was ushered out.

Russert told the story, left out what Clinton answered, and added that when the press bombarded the preacher, he was ushered out. NO MENTION of Clinton's answer.

If that's not media trying to invent a scenario I don't know what is.

MP.

I am really impressed with your writing and your thoughts. well done.

I still like Obama more, but I can agree with you too. ;0)

I saw the video with Scarborough and was simply in awe of all the spectacular comments that Craig made. Wow!!!!! You don't see someone on the air very often with that much common sense, fairness, and intelligence—I'm talking about Craig Crawford, for heaven's sake!!

heya to the new folks

we have a map showing the location of our regular posters.
you can see the map on the blogroll or if you are like me
and too lazy to do that you can click here

http://isleofran.org/clist.htm

If you would like to climb aboard and be seen with the smartest
blog on the net(go ahead, ask us if we're the smartest)

you can send an e-mail to mapkeeper at isleofran dot org

just need your Trail Mix name
location
dot color (red, blue or purple)
link to your own blog or personal page(not necessary)

Thomas Freeman: I have you down for a dot in Ghent Belgium
and a link to your blog, what color dot would you like?

I believe I finally killed the computer with my graphics
programs so it may take a week before I get everyone placed
but I will get you placed.

I may have to do a new map does anyone have any
suggestions or thoughts?

Hillary’s Chief Strategist, Mark Penn, brought up the “drug” use many times on Hardball. It was Joe Trippi (who I really respect), John Edwards’ senior advisor, who was on the same program and had to call Penn out on the continuous use of the word. Sleaze balls…IMO that’s who the Clintons have running (and joining) their campaign, and it will be more of the same until this is all over if it ever is.

Katherine…you go girl. Bet you like that patronization!!!!!!!!!! BTW, I grew up in SE Ohio but have lived in Central Ohio for many, many years. I travel many regions. Even the conservative SW Ohio doesn’t like (dare I say it???) HRC!!!

Bill Clinton will SAY anything to get his wife elected so he can serve a second term and this is from someone who defended and supported him for years.

For those who question why I won’t vote if it is HRC; I vote my brain and my conscience. I won’t vote for an R, so… That’s enough for you to know. I will definitely vote in the primary even though by then the candidate may be determined. But, I will vote for my candidate. Why vote against the other party in the general when I don’t care at that point? It will just be four or maybe eight more years of the same ole thing.

BTW, I too agree with Eugene Robinson’s comments. Saw that. Like him.

Craig, I do like you, too. Sometimes don’t agree with you but I do like you.

I can hardly wait for the morning after the night before, and sincerely hope that huge number of the media are dining on crow for breakfast or hanging their heads in shame for the damage they have done to the election process.

Craig,

Do you have any exit poll data yet. The SC polls close in an hour and a quarter.

Here Here Jamie....What you said! ;0)

now jamie, you know i gave up exit polls and cigarettes for this campagn ... no kidding

Have y'all seen this?

-Rep. John Lewis on News Hour 1/14
“It is unfortunate that people have tried to distort what Mrs. Clinton had to say about Dr. King.”
“I think there has been a deliberate and systematic attempt by some people in the Obama campaign to really fan the flames about race and to really distort what Senator Clinton said. I understood and I think most right thinking people understood what she said.
“President and Senator Clinton have a record, a history, a very long history of bringing people together. No right thinking American would ever think that Senator or President Clinton would ever do anything that would use the race card”
“I must tell you…I’m trying to set the record straight…the Obama camp is doing something else, theyr’e sending out memos to the media trying to suggest that the Clintons are playing the race card.”
-Rep. John Lewis on News Hour 1/14

Carolina:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPq4-qLq1XI

Thanks, Sheila. Even people who don't follow politics much, and maybe catch a 10 minute news snippet, are noticing it, and incredulous. It's just so obvious.

The consensus of most sane folks I know regarding the news coverage is: "What is WRONG with these people???"

Ran,

If you want the map to go international rather than U.S. specific, you will need either a Mercator or homolosine projection. Homolosine is best because there is no distortion, but the Mercator or Peters probably would be easier to use.

Homolosine http://www.terraviva.net/hq/gih.html
Mercator http://www.world-atlas.us/world-map.gif

If you want to stick with U.S. / Canada, then make room out in the ocean for the people we would have to swim to find. :-)

jamie needs a poll patch.

Looky at what my favorite, little p***ant is up to. Warning of a looming economic crisis in the US or trying to ensure we have one? Who is the best candidate to handle these kinds of things? This is not a popularity contest Obama, this is serious.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080126/ap_on_bi_ge/venezuela_alba_summit

Craig..I don't know how you are doing it!! I haven't had a cigarette since 02JAN86 and today, while watching the segment with you, Scarborough, Mika and Mike...I was wanting to have "just one more smoke"...yikes!!!

"jamie needs a poll patch" -- blueINdallas

LOL blue, Line of the night -- jamie, want one of my chopped off straws :-)

Blue, thats a good one. ;0)

BTW...have I ever mentioned that I have a "mad cougar crush" on Chuck Todd??? LOLOLOLOL!!!

Seriously Linda,

He's Delish!

I'm glad its Keith tonight! What a relief.

Craig,

I haven't had a cigarette since the day we all left Vegas. I've wanted one this whole election season.

Did mention that I think Lee Cowan is the Cats Meow?

There's your exits Jamie

I wonder if they will score the Crawford / Scarborough morning match.

Good for Jamie, wish I had gotten started back then. I am 4 weeks and 3 days and doing pretty good

I wish they had had exits for anything else but those points....

Tonight is "poker night" in my neighborhood. Start time...of course...7:00pm :(

Believe me, I will have one eye on the tv and one eye on my winning hands!!

No numbers just raw "attitude" ... meaningless without precinct data.

MSNBC coverage of South Carolina starting -- and first up was exit polling about whether candidates are attacking each other unfairly. Guess we are going to have another evening of the same old story line

Craig and jamie,

I am 2 years and one month for the good as a none smoker. Keep going both of you. ;0)

LushIsLinda -- no cigs since '86! sweet

The way that these "exit polls" are discussed, it makes them like push polls for the next primary

Mr. Fish

Put up some soothing music. I think we are going to need it.

Blue - get me that poll patch!

Celebrity News

Christian Brando has died http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22858091/

I also think that all this Clinton bashing on the race issue actually has an adverse impact on Obama - becuase the media is effectively making Obama the "black" candidate.

....I love this steak......too bad I have to give it up....

Christian Brando has died. What a sad piece of news. That was a really pained family...or should I say disfunctional. So sad.

Craig: thanks for telling the truth--it ain't always easy.

I'm showing my Tush..... lol ....just try through the computer screen.

Well, I think everyone in this state is going to make a statement tonight. but until they do, lets all sit back and watch the returns.

You know if you want to believe that Bill Clinton wants to be back in the White House then believe it. The FACT is Bill Clinton wants his WIFE to be in the White House just like the very vocal Elizabeth Edwards wants her husband John Edwards in the White House.

The fact is canidate surrogates spew negative remarks. The fact is we don't know who incites them to do so. Do they do it on there own or are they is it a direct order from the candidate.

I believe that the candidates aren't STUPID enough to deliberately offend the very voters they are courting.

The fact is negative remarks happen and then they get stirred by the media and put on the burner to boil into insanityl

Chickadee,

besides this one, is there another blog you frequent? I just recpgnise your call name.

Craig and jamie, I quit at the end of October, and I am jonesing SO badly right now. The husband has a pack in his car, but I am resisting.

Tell me again why a political junkie picked primary season to quit smoking? What was I thinking?

Patrick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04BhAxBNWIo

Now for the truly important stuff.

Dr. Who and Torchwood return to BBC tonight.

Some have wondered about our friend, EdVB.

I am taking liberties with an excerpt of an email he sent me today, by posting this:

"Hi Dex,

I'm half way there with my home computer repair. Good computer, but damaged monitor, so I have to struggle to read the screen. (Soot blowback from my furnace killed the computer, and appears to have permanently damaged my monitor and my TV picture tube.)"

Thank You Thank You Thank You Craig. I had to hunt you down to let you know that you Rock!

Joes S ,Mika, Tucker, Matthews are the nastiest Clinton bashers
I am sick to death of them spewing their filthy unsubstantiated
charges. God they suck. Even Russert is a complete ass

They should give you Tuckers show
Thanks for being a voice of reason and truth Love ya

correction...02JAN87...it was the year that Penn State beat Miami(but PSU was the 1986 champ...so confusing!!)).

I actually tried to quit(probably the day after I started smoking, 15 years earlier)but was never successful...never even able to stop for more than a week.

On 01JAN87...that was it for me...I SWORE I WAS DONE--FOR GOOD THIS TIME...and I lasted until halftime of the PSU-Miami game...:(

Long story short...PSU won the game and I officially quit at noon 02JAN87. Something just clicked for me and I have never had a cigarette since. :)

oo oo! New Season? Torchwood?

So this is where the sane people blog!

Thank you, Craig, for being one of the last honest commentators on television (besides the wonderful Rachel Maddow). The Clinton bashing has gotten neurotic!

Hi Sheila,

Remember the Imus debate when the "girls" on another website behaved so badly. Talk about RACE!

MP....hang in there....do the straw thing that Craig and his Mom are doing...and if you need more "drag", tape a tissue to the end of the straw!!!!

Craig,

Buchanon said, "Unity Party will begin if the Clintons win" Is that right?

I thought the Unity party was a good idea, but i thought it disolved

So this is where the sane people blog!

-- Yep, this seems to be the place ;-)

Labbor,

What is your name from?

Patsi & Doots,
Something in today's Rocky I thought you might like. A story on the old Caribou Ranch recording studio:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/special-reports/the-legend-of-caribou/

Sheila...

Here's where Unity '08 stands at present...

http://www.unity08.com/

Torchwood is the new show that was an offshoot of the new Dr. Who.

Captain Jack Harkness saving the world from aliens everywhere ... small quirk for a human ... he can't die. There's a lot more psychological interaction. You will like it.

Should be on 9:00 your time but double check

Where you been Richardson Son?

Sheila --

It is a name that I picked when I started posting on a Labrador Retriever web site a few years ago. (I have 2 yellow labs). And then I just started using it for other boards.

I'm actually Lucy from Florida. Hi!

Lovin' bayareavoter!

Yes, we are all sane here. Right, Craig? Right? :-))

It's no wonder we got hooked on cigarettes...I have been playing some tapes of old radio shows from the 40's and 50's...Chesterfields, Luckies, Camels...all were made to sound like wonderful, wholesome products, then when some of came of age in the 60s 70s, we were inundated with TV ads every time we watched our 3 stations.
As a reformed tobacco user, be aware that the cravings will not go away, just diminish, FOREVER. They do lessen and become more easily manageable.
I STILL crave my Kentucky Club pipe tobacco most of all...even as I don't crave my Pall Malls anymore. I have 21 years off my pipe and working on 27 off cigarettes. All the cig-reminiscing has me thinking about my dalliance with Montclair cigarettes back in the late 60s. Ah, the good old daze!

HI Lucy From Florida. LOLOL how cute is that!

MP,
"Tell me again why a political junkie picked primary season to quit smoking? What was I thinking?"

When I saw Craig on MoJo, the first thing I thought of was:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CwyrGwM4a7M

Craig,

This influx of newbies keeps up, you will have to build a whole new subdivision. We seems to have gone from spacious landed gentry to crowded NY high rise all in one day. :-)

You need to insult Jioe more often. You'll be famous in no time at all.

Shelia,
I don't know how you maintain such a civil attitude amidst such acrimony, but darlin' if you can bottle it, you'll make millions!

Everyone make nice. That's it. Go Trippi

Jamie,
"You need to insult Jioe more often. You'll be famous in no time at all."

I think it was P.T.Barnum who said: "If you want to draw a crowd, pick a fight."

Dnd,

Oh Boy....Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

I know I am a Groan. But that is my mantra. I seriously believe that if everyone is reminded about a (OH S!@# here comes another one) a spoon full of sugar, they will listen better and maybe even learn something.....LOL

What Robo Calls?

If anyone wants to live stream some SC coverage while blogging, this is one site for it...

http://bravenewfilms.org/network?utm_source=rgemail

There I am swearing at the TV, (MS SOB), what a bunch of crap. Mostly white guys crabbing about Bill Clinton injecting race into this race. The best thing to do is to not have any breakdown on black vs. white voting patterns. Just don't go there. JAcking it up on all the commentary makes it the big deal, when it should just be positions and performance. Past performance predicts future performance. And Ithink one of the most revealing items is this voting present thing with Sen. Obama, I see a similarity between voting present (Obama) and being all things to all conservatives (Willard). Give me Hillary vs. McCain that is what I want to see in November.

I got a postcard from the Church of Scientology (wtf?) today and a call from the Obama camp wondering if I was going to caucus for Obama. Coincidence? Yeah, probably.

I told the guy that I was caucusing for Bill Richardson. Kinda threw him...

DND,

When does Colorado? and do they Caucus too?

LOL @ dnd

Coincidence? I think not! Tom Cruise has your number....

Clyburn is a sincere guy. I like what he says

Sheila,

Colorado is a super dooper Tuesday primary state on 2/5

OH MY,
HUGE HUGE Postings today, I have never seen so many ! Craig is a rock star..
And for a Dyslexic this is a problem...

Can I get an audio version

Ping update - Florida McCain has a strong grass routes. Those that know I am for Mitt have been all over, like radar. Also huge key endorsements for McCain,
It may be over

James Clyburn is mountainous down here for the ones who think Lindsay Graham, and Jim DeMint are a couple of goobers.

Sturgeone played the goober card! Sturgeone played the goober card! I'm tellin

Shelia,
"Oh Boy....Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

This is the guiding principle in my life. I fail more often than I'd care to admit. Thanks for reminding me that failure is not an option...

THANK YOU, CRAIG, FOR YOU ARE THE ONLY VOICE OF REASON ON MNSBC!!! I could have put my fist through the TV this morning and punch Joe Scarborough with his CLINTON-HATING ATTITUDES!!!! It is SO OBVIOUS he HATES the Clintons (he has said so!).

The Clintons have NOT brought race into this campaign!!! It's Oprah, Michele Obama, Obama himself, and the all the media in particular Joe Scarborough, Chris Matthews and Tucker Carlson!!!

IT'S THE MEDIA WHO WON'T SHUT THEIR DAMN MOUTHS ABOUT RACE, NOT THE CLINTONS!!!!

Dnd,

makes ya feel better, I faultered today and Renee slapped my hand. ;0)

Shelia,
Jamie said: "Colorado is a super dooper Tuesday primary state on 2/5"

This is true, 'cept that it's a caucus, not a primary.

Miss Alwaysforhillart,

You couldn't be more wrong, But I like your Verve! Reminds me of someone. ;0)

Oh! About Michelle and Barack and others in their campaign. Race card not their fault either.

the problem with Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

is

what if the one you are doing unto is a sadist?

or a masochist?

or a procastinator? no one would would ever get any doing unto others done

this is going to keep me up all night

Yea! The polls just closed!!!

thats my boy Go Obama!!!!!!!

Dnd,

How do you feel about that. I'm not sure I would like that....of course I may move there.... ;0)

Wonder Who?

it must be a real blowout

Congrats to Obama. My first choice is Hillary, but I'm happy with either. Now can we stop with the race stuff? I know, I'm dreaming. What would the talking heads have to talk about then? the issues? Yikes!

Ran easy one,

Have the courage to turn the other cheek lol

As for playing the goober card.....it depends upon what the meaning of "card" is.........and whether I "played" it or merely tossed it towards the bowler........and was that even ME?

labber, they're not gonna stop talking about race. if they do they won't know what else to say.

.....wow......how much of a lead will our Primary candidate have?

CNN says there is a real race for second place

James Clyburn speaks the patois of my home. Very familiar, very comfortable......

...are they basing this early result on Clyburn?

Sturgeone: I'll admit I played the "he's playing the goober card" card a little, shall we say, rashly.

it might not have been you but it was someone that looked like what I think you look like if I were to think about that kind of thing

wow....look at the exit polls clinton and Edwards

They are saying overwhelming for Obama, but Clinton second. Is SC "winner take all" or does it divide by precinct?

BILLIARY over played their hands this will be their downfall going forward, the establishment will shift to Obama and rid themselves of the clintons

Nash....................................AHA!

Joe SOB just won't accept the blame for the monster the media created.

this is amazing!! it says ZERO percent of the precincts are in!!!

Shelia,
I don't like caucus' for private citizens. I believe in a secret ballot. Less coercion, less threat of retribution.

Caucus' are fine for politicians, where deals need to be struck, but not for private citizens.

Of course if we had Instant Runoff Voting, all this would be moot.

Gee - doesn't it seem like Pat Buchanan is pushing the race issue now? The others are into Clinton bashing, talking about Bill Clinton. Why don't they gang up on Buchanan now?

Agree'd Dnd I do agree with that.

wow..i went to watch a movie on tv with mr tylenol and then spent 45 minutes catching up on just a few hours... JohnR .. i dont think anyone thought HRC would win SC, including HRC.. doesnt change a thing..

Another interesting website...

http://opensecrets.org/

I wonder how many now-red states will change colour come November... there are just so many issues the Reps are on the wrong side of..

Sturg,
"James Clyburn speaks the patois of my home. "

Clyburn is talking to you patio?

hey tylenol, i need some tylenol to calm me down :)

sorry, that post was SO badly worded grammar-wise.. of which the reps are on the wrong side.. lol

Typo correction:

Sturg,
"James Clyburn speaks the patois of my home. "

Clyburn is talking to your patio?

Sturgeon

Is it a Pidgin, Patois, or Dialect?

dnd

Clyburn is playing his piano

Clyburn is playing his piano on Sturg's patio? Now I'm really confused...

I'm tap dancing to the piano on the patio....well....I like music

the polls have closed and MSNBC has declared BO the projected winner. MSNBC'S Tim Russert and Joe S are having a field day explaining how THEY feel that the Clinton's injected race and it did not work for them. Again, the media wins even though they pushed this race thing like no one else did.

it sure is quiet in here rofl where are the obama bashers

John R - I haven't been on this board very long - but I haven't noticed a lot of bashing (except of the media).

Labbor, Florida girl,

Can I ask where you are? We have at leat 4 Craigers that are in Florida and I am in Palm Beach until mid April.

Sheila -- I'm in Tallahasee

dnd....that quote from the Pioneer Inn in the RMN story about Caribou cracked me up.....hilarious! Thanks....

mcCain is picking up some important repub endorsements

Well,

Lardass Liberal is between Naples and Panama City? I know that is a long run, but I can't remember.

Trial Lawyer Rich is in West Palm beach.

Craig and Parents in Orlando

Ping Pong in the Orlando Area

Have a missed anyone?

3.1 magnitude earthquake near Canon City, CO today. Canon (pronounced canyon, put a circumflex over the first 'n' and use the Spanish), is home to the state pen. And not far from there is SuperMax, which houses the worst of the worst federal prisoners. Fortunately, the quake was small enough not to damage any structures.

Thomas,

It's very late for you. Staying around or heading to bed. What are things like in Belgium on the weekend?

JohnR .. dont mix up trying to get the facts straight with bashing one or another candidate.. I think all dem candidates are great.. it's the MSM I love bashing...(ut oh..craig? are you considered MSM now?)

Sheila: Purple-in-Tampa, JennBE in Tallahassee and anon-paranoid in the Orlando-ish area

Be careful on the piano, you might not ever be the same. If Edwards, does get second place, an * is all it will count for, no matter what

I don't know when cocaine became a black problem, I thought it was white upper middle class. Now if we were talking about crack, that might be more inflamitory.

craig.. are you staying at the boca vista? (sorry, couldnt resist a seinfeld reference)

More on Russert---The MTP that Hillary appeared on provided a great example of media manipulation. He showed the "fairy tale" clip. But the clip began with "give me a break". Russert did not show the Iraq comments which preceded "give me a break". Russert wanted viewers to read "race" into Bill Clinton's remarks. Is that dishonest? There is no other possible interpretation dailyhowler.com discusses media bias (a lot on NBC &MSNBC). Check out the archives.

"Lardass Liberal is between Naples and Panama City?" Hmm - sort of like saying somebody is between NY and Chicago. I'm glad the sunshine state has good representation here.

anyone know where tweety is tonight? NOT that i miss his loud mouth!

LOL Thanks Ran. I knew there were more.

Labbor, LOL I just couldn't remember. ;0)

Tylenol - isn't the Seinfield reference the Boca Delmar? or maybe Boca Delmar Vista?

DeJa Vue---here we go again. Scarborough is just stone faced and going after the Clintons like a rabid Rottweiler. He's top dog again and interrupts, talks over, and caters to the guest or panel member that agrees with him. Scarborough is persecuting the Clinton's like he did during the impeachment.

Again it is my opinion that he as part of the MEDIA is brow beating we voters to death in regards to the Clintons. If we don't vote Clinton who is the next best choice---well of Obama of course.

If you pit the Clintons against the blacks on a constant basis and if you are black---why wouldn't 85% of the blacks vote for Obama.

Well I am about to do my absentee ballot and send it in. Well I might wait till the morning ... it's around 1:30 am... My best friend in Washington State says he supports John Edwards... he says he REALLY supports Bernie Sanders... but anyway. I was surprised by his choice. I am communicating with him further to get his analysis of Edwards vs... Hillary and the other guy... that was for John R..

Cheers,

Thomas

Tweety is doing a speech somewhere in the northeast. can't remember where.

works for me...anyhwere but on my tv. lol. thanks sheila

Did anyone else get a "Democratic Leadership Survey" poll from Senator Reid?

I responded -- using the postage-paid envelope, of course -- telling him to stop wasting the contributions of well-intentioned donors when, clearly, the people's interests are ignored.

I also sent a four-page letter expressing my views on, for instance, retroactive immunity for telecoms, failure to push the impeachment issue, failure to push the contempt of Congress citations for Miers and Bolton, etc.

But I did not send a contribution, and I made clear that he need not automatically assume I would vote for his party members any longer, when they have served as enablers to the corrupt Bush cabal.

As for the South Carolina primary, the results were less influential for me than was Monday's debate. For this reason, Senator Edwards remains my candidate of choice.

labber.. not sure I just remember Frank Costanza having so much trouble saying VISTA.. on the outtake disk.. still laugh about that..

With 9% reporting, it's 50% Obama, 30% Clinton, and 20% Edwards

tylenol -- Just checked - Its Del Boca Vista. (How's that for useless trivia?) I remember it had a "Del" in it because it always seemed like a combination of Boca raton and Delray beach, the two cities that border each other.

HW,

Think Edwards will move up?

Thomas to make it simple

Bernie Sanders - Socialist
Edwards - Good man tending far left
Clinton and Obama - Middle of the road with almost identical voting records.

My preference Clinton based on experience and maturity.

Enjoy voting.

Sheila...

Sadly, no. I do think he'll be above the 15% threshold to win some delegates, but I think this is Obama's state, with Clinton in second. It's all rather depressing, but I still say the most apt comment I've heard is that Edwards has been "forced to stand in the shadow of history' in this election cycle (said by Tweety).

Vermonters are so very proud of Bernie.. i understand it..

Isn't Craig supposed to be on this MSNBC coverage sometime tonight?

With 15% reporting...

52% Obama, 28% Clinton, 20% Edwards

How about this piece of evidence: The Clintons used BLACK surrogates to attack Obama after Iowa.

Labber,

I don't think so, but he'll be there for Florida I bet.

Billary's smears of Obama lost them votes in SC. Will this carry forward to superTuesday?

Nash - what are you saying? That because the Clinton's have supporters who are black, that they are raising the race issue?

Nash,
I would think that no matter what, some damage control will be seen on both sides of the Primary aile

Sheila....
and other Obama supports....... Congrats!

the race is getting very interesting...... can't wait to see the results of Feb 5th....

gotta go to bed early.... Rick is taking a very early flight to Houston in the morning.....

nite all..... sleep well...

How do you know the Clintons USED BLACK surrogates to attack Obama?

Nash,

With the media in full cry about playing the race card, wouldn't it have looked strange to use all white surrogates, or do black people who support Clinton not count?

BTW, I did see some white surrogates but they were the old hands who have been used throughout.

I'll bet both Bill and Hillary Clinton will make a gracious speech unlike Obama after Nevada.

Jamie, Belgium is governed by a configuration of many different parties. It took over 6 months to finally get a government together, and the "caretaker prime minister" had to take the reigns for 90 days and bring back the socialists. Our little country has many problems, so much so that there is serious talk of splitting by linguistic lines, and it's a small place to begin with.

If Edwards cared about anything accept his enormous ego, he'd drop out. But he won't.

Not too much commentary here yet about Crist endorsing McCain, but like Scarbucket said, this is HUGE.
It brings McCain right up there with Romney now.

Why should Edwards drop out? He can be a power broker at the National Convention, no?

wow...what a lead.....never thought of that.....

Nash,

AT the moment he is at 19%. That means he has delegates. As long as he is picking up delagates why should he quit? This isn't a coronation. It's an election. We have three strong candidates and they are going to run all the way to the finish line as strong as they can.

Now if the media will stay out of it and let the voters judge them all on their talents and positions, we might get a fair election.

Jamie Bill Clinton is speakng right now.

Whether the Clintons used race is irrelevant. The key fact is that, after Iowa, they relentlessly attacked Obama on personal issues, using untruths as the basis of smears.

Hillary doesn't want to debate Barak on policy because there's little difference between them. So, what do we hear? He's too young, he works for slumlords, he supports Reagan's ideas, and he's a coke-head.

Going negative usually works but it DID NOT WORK IN SC.

hmmm apparently we have to vote by declaring a party for the primary. We never used to have to do that. Wa State primary is 19 February

THANK YOU CAROLINE!!

clinton said thanks for the keys to the city he wont try to open to many doors....lol all the single women better change their locks tonight

Russert doesn't mention that Clinton had been a governor for many years and was head of the national Governors association at the time he ran for President.

Obama's at Clinton's age has not held a statewide position and has only been in a national one for two years during which he has played follow the leader on votes and positions.

where is hilliary? what a sore loser let her husband talk she is such a whimp

Edwards came in 3rd place in his home state?

Nash,
Hillary can beat Obama in a debate about issues. She is the better debater. As for calling him a coke-head, she most certainly did not !

With 40% reporting...

53% Obama, 28% Clinton, 19% Edwards

What evidence do I have that the Clintons used black surrogates to attack Obama after Iowa?

I saw them on TV, day after day. A whole parade of Uncle Toms. Clinton bought them with promises of jobs and bags of cash.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. That's how you get endorsements. Grow up, people. Lofty principles have NOTHING to do with it.

At 8:05 Nash said-----------How about this piece of evidence: The Clintons used BLACK surrogates to attack Obama after Iowa.
At 8:10 Chickadee replied----How do you know the Clintons USED BLACK surrogates to attack Obama?

Further comment by Chickadee----
My kid knows I am not fond of the little monster next door---so on his own initative my kid went out and lobbed a snowball at him. This DOES NOT mean I CONDONED my kids behavior!

Thomas are you WA state? If so your vote doesn't count sorry. The Primary is only for show. The caucus is Feb 9.

Contact these folks to see if there is a provision for being out of the country and if you can file a proxie vote?

http://www.wa-democrats.org/

LOL@ chickadee.

Thomas...

That's why we now have both a primary and caucuses. The Dems and Reps tried to take complete control of the electoral process by making it so that only those who were registered to one of those parties could vote in the primary; voters were angry and rallied against it, by initiative if I remember correctly; then it was changed to us having both processes. But the parties are not bound by the results of the primary. They can choose to use their caucus results instead, and Jamie said recently that they have already declared their intention to use caucus results.

Well Nash there is no point in making any further comment to your grade school demeanor.

"These are my principles....if you don't like them , I have others." - Groucho Marx

It looks as if you out of luck. This is the surrogate form and being out of the country except for military service does not count

http://www.wa-democrats.org/pdf/uploaded/16_-_2008_Precinct_Caucuses_-_Surrogate_Affidavit_Form.pdf

Can't they get somebody who at least pretends to be objective - instead of Joe?

Joe Scarborough is both an ass and a liar

Chickadee,

You have to know our nash to love him. He's just being very truthful and what Nash sees as the truth he speaks.

he's very appreciated around here as a breath of fresh air. ;0)

With 55% reporting...

55% Obama, 27% Clinton, 18% Edwards

Testing to see if this works.

Hey Harborwoman, I seem to remember now that an initiative switched us over from caucus to primary. I really enjoyed my first caucus. It was a small group and we listed issues we wanted to have brought forward to the county level as I recall. Are you from Washington state? Because you are saying exactly what I remember. They referred to the voting as a "beauty contest" because the caucuses were still where the real decisions were made. I think this might have changed over since I moved to Europe in 1998.

pooh, I tried to put on a vote in the primary icon but it didn't work... oh well

Watch the erosion over the next 10 days. Hillary is going to lose most of her black support, and most of her support from people under 30.

Edwards will drop to single digits. Few will waste their vote on a guy who has NO CHANCE.

There is blood in the water and the MSM will hammer the Clintons. The triumph of the underdog is a BETTER STORY.

I am so worried about this - but I find I am agreeing with Pat Buchanan. He gets it that it is the media that made race the issue

B in big apple

Did Jackson Browne been sing his song Cocaine at the Edwards events he did?
Did Roger Clinton go to jail for cocaine?
How much cocaine did you do at Elaines?
And Now Eric Clapton is playing Cocaine again.

Goddam it I said it, and now that I read it it sounds so funny to me, so dumb and so foolish, so just out of schoolish, but it came so natural to me, I know I can get by on my song and my high, if some folks would just leave me alone,but goddam it I said it and I read it it in Rolling Stone. Lyrics by Chip Taylor

hey jamie, ur comments about Joe is insulting and very rude, can we all just get along and be more civil

Sorry Sheila----I can't appreciate it when Nash says: What evidence do I have that the Clintons used black surrogates to attack Obama after Iowa?

"I saw them on TV, day after day. A whole parade of Uncle Toms. Clinton bought them with promises of jobs and bags of cash".

Not that there's anything wrong with that. That's how you get endorsements. Grow up, people. Lofty principles have NOTHING to do with it.

You remember correctly, Thomas. Our caucus will be Feb. 9, and I'll be going for my first time...caucusing for John Edwards.

Nash...If folks really want to support the underdog, they need to look at my guy!

Thomas I'm in Washington. I will be caucusing for Hillary. The primary will not count. Both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party have decided that only the caucus delegates will be counted and sent to the Convention.

a lot of black politicians supporting hilliary are shaking in their boots, they are totally disconnect from their constituents

a commenter said
" A whole parade of Uncle Toms. Clinton bought them with promises of jobs and bags of cash"

Now if Bill Clinton had said something like the above quote then you could call him racist, IMO,but only one of the Clinton surrogates even came close and that was Sheehan(?) in New Hampshire. With the "they will acccuse him of being a drug dealer" when that occurred the Clinton campaign resposibly seperated themselves from him.

Jack

yeah Feb 9th is going to be a big day for Obama here in WA.

chickadee,
"Well Nash there is no point in making any further comment to your grade school demeanor."

Um, that's professor nash. He teaches at the college level, not grade school.

So is this voting in the primary a waste of time??? If it doesn't mean anything I could save the stamp.

John R - Hillary will speak later. She couldn't speak earlier because she is still enroute (I think still in flight).

LOL Oh dnd, I forgot about our Nash being a proffesor

Well lookie here. It seems like the South Carolina electorate of all races rejected the Clinton strategy.

I think Washington State is Hillary country Rez... I could be wrong but that is my feeling. I can't caucus from Belgium so I guess this is just a waste of time for me. I'm rather bummed. grrrrrrr.

Well I take back ass. Liar was just an accurate description.

Labber,

I hate to say this, but JohnR is a stringer. He is trying to bate as many people on this blog that will argue with him. I'd ignore him until he becomes more civil

Thomas...

It's meaningless for this election (the presidential part of it only!), but I don't know that it's a waste of time. There's still some hope that the Dems and Reps don't OWN the electoral process in either this state or this country. If they're allowed to get away with co-opting the process for their own political purposes, an awful lot of people will be disenfranchised.

labber, heard from a friend her press release and bill is the only thing we here from her camp, we will see if she does speak

"I'm a jew why would I could care who killed Jesus Christ? "

Because you brought it up some posts ago....

Nash professes to what?

John R. of course Hillary will speak. You sound as bad as those guys who stood in New Hampshire with signs saying "Iron my Shirts"

the real story that will emerge in this election is not racial divide but a generation divide, this election will be about the changing of the guard....

Well I take back ass.
Yes, Jaime - good to take that back. It was an insult to male donkeys, who should not be compared to Joe.

Here's the news that could shake up Florida like a 'cane:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/fla-governor-endorses-mccain/

Chickadee: I'm sorry if my comments offended you. I aim my attacks at politicians, not crawfordslisters.

Politics is often a sordid business. We should not ignore the flaws of even those candidates we support.

Our constiturion was written by people who had a fear of tyranny, and they installed checks and balances because they knew they COULD NOT TRUST politicians with too much power, because we all have flaws and power magnifies them.

Thanks for the support, Sheila.

If any of you want to take a quick break, briefly lighten up the conversation, you can go to cbs.com & vote for your favorite super bowl commercial (choice of 3)

Hillary flew out to Tennessee tonite, Nashville I think.

She is already on to the next stop. No time to waste , votes to get. At this stage if you slow down you loose. Hurry hurry hurry, run run run.

Jack

HW

The Supreme Court has already ruled that the political parties have the right to set up their own requirements for candidates to represent them. They cannot exclude anyone from membership but they can set time limits i.e. must be registered at least 30 days before election.

That is why some states are instant registration with Independents allowed to switch on election day while others have a time limit.

Some caucus are secret ballot followed by run off while others are open caucus such as Nevada and Washington.

It is only at the General election that the state takes over the rules and regs.

At 8:30 Jamie said---Thomas I'm in Washington. I will be caucusing for Hillary. The primary will not count. Both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party have decided that only the caucus delegates will be counted and sent to the Convention.

Chickadee comments----I am from a caucus state. Would you rather caucus or vote in a primary?

jamie--- I believe Bill Clinton was the country's senior governor. Also, he had been Arkansas Attorney General.

Very eloquent Nash ;0)

"the real story that will emerge in this election is not racial divide but a generation divide, this election will be about the changing of the guard...."

JohnR...FINALLY! A comment we can agree on!

"It was an insult to male donkeys"

My apologies to the donkeys. You're right. The donkeys are much nicer and better looking.

dexter - It will be interesting to see how much Crist's endorsement helps McCain. It certainly won't hurt - but Crist is not all that popular with the ultra-conservatives in Florida. They see him as a disappointment. McCain is already popular with the moderates who are Crist supporters. So I'm not sure the endorsement matters much. The endorsement from Martinez is probably more important.

Jamie...

I'm aware of what the WA Supreme Court decided. I just resent that the Dems and Reps are trying to take over as though only their political ideologies are important.

Have you now registered as a Dem? And is that required to participate in the caucus? I won't do that. I'm an independent.

Mr LardassLiberal: Thanks for your help in getting my post posted on Craig's post so post haste. Lively crowd with only a few trouble makers. Not like south carolina politics at all, I guess. Sorry it's so late and it seems that everybody is about talked out on the subject but . . . it's on to Florida, which is Craig's old stomping grounds, I see.

As a general comment, the webmaster should rearrange the comments order so the latest is on top. Sheila, whaddya think? Harborwoman? Jamie? Tylenol? Horsedooty? . . . Craig? Is that you having the last laugh?

Thomas

If there are other issues on your ballot, your vote will count. If it is Presidential only then no it won't.

Chickadee

I'm originally for California and prefer the primary though I expect the caucus to be fun. The primary allows the maximum number of people to vote and since I consider that both a privilege and a duty, it makes more sense to me.

Catherine Kennedy Schlossberg? That says all we need to know about Howard Fineman.

Hi Buddy!

No that's us having the first laugh! ;0) Its a game to get there first on the thread

Buddy,

BTW. Great blog. Love your writing. I hope we'll see more of you here.

Yikes!

Keith O. just said something about Ted Kennedy and used the phrase, "between he and Jimmy Carter." Ouch.
Hey Craig, don't journalists have to take regular grammar refresher courses?
I will be using grammatical usage as a way to pick/eliminate candidates. I'm listening!

Jamie---I too prefer a primary. When one is from a small town it is uncomfortable to be in a room with ones "opponents" and having to reveal who you favor.

NEW THREAD

Caroline Kennedy's endorsement of Obama is now available on the NYT web site. Titled "A President Like My Father"

This lopsided victory could be very bad news for Obama.

For all the new folks. reload to main page. There is a new Thread up.

I really need to get to sleep, but.... I was just on the phone with my friend in Olytown.
I found out I can "caucus" if I get a friend in my precinct to go and present a letter signed from me with my preference. I am asking the Thurston County Dems about this now... We'll see...

Craig good job but LATE for sure. The race card was first played by Chris and Keith right after Barack won NH. I wish you spoke up then. I hope your day job is solid since I doubt Chris will let you back on. The power of biased media should be and I think will be controlled by law! Shame on MSNBC for their biased coverage and race baiting influence on our right to a fair election. Thank You to help set the record straight.

A state of hysteria. Thank you for pointing this out. Courage. I really wish someone could explain the HRC hatred. Especially the pundits, they have worked themselves into a froth instead of talking about the issues. My god our economy is in shambles, our foreign policy (what policy,) etc..etc. and the boys have turned our primary to the Jerry Springer show.

Mr. Crawford,

I said my peace on Morning Joe's comments. ..comment number 13 .

Bottom line ...brilliant and courageous!!

Thank you...keep the faith.

HI there, I just wanted to say I saw Craig on this show and I have been racking my brain ever since to find where I could comment and show my appreciation for Craig saying what is so incredibly obvious to anyone with an IQ over 90.

We wondered if Craig would ever be allowed on that network again?

Anyway, thank you for stating the obvious and keep up the good work! This election is making me crazy. Peace & see you soon,
From the newest newbie of them all,
H20

I'm having pre-Iraq flashbacks. All of a sudden the Clinton's are racist or at least have injected race in the same way that Saddam all of a sudden posed an imminent threat. No real evidence, just the illusion of truth in the media echo chamber. That is, the lazy, intellectually dishonest, or plain retarded logic goes, they must be racist because everyone's saying so.

thank you so so much Craig Crawford, I have felt like the media and Obama fans are coming from Mars with this "Clinton is racist BS". The Clinton presidency did more for the AA community than anyone since LBJ. Bill Clinton is no more a racist than MLK was. This was used as a campaign tactic, the Obama camp knew the media hates Clinton and gave them a lede and they ran ran ran with it. The dem base is disgusted with the way they have slandered our best democratic president in my lifetime, and ps the only one who has won in a string of preppy elites who dont understand the base. Obama put race into this campaign and I am sick of hearing the media play the race card against the Clitnons. Hillary Clinton attended the SOTBU after a day of Sharpton and Dick Gregory beating up on her and Bill all day and she was gracious as always and made committments to the AA community. Obama didnt even show up cause now the AA vote is inconvenient to his schedule, he has not comitted to a single thing specific to the AA community. There is an anti Clinton Pro Obama bias fed by the Obama use of race in SC and it was clear to us in the base that it was and is untrue.

If there is any ism in this campaign it is sexism targeted against Hillary Clinton, what did she wear, what is her mood, her claws came out, she was periodically feeling down. It is disgraceful. These people call themselves progressive? If you want to get the base Obama stop the rhetoric and give us specifics (your own not Hillary Clintons plans rephrased), but I think you need more experience first.