While the more winnowed Democratic field is now going wholesale and nationwide, the chaotic Republican presidential race is still mired in the state-by-state retail campaigning seen in Iowa and New Hampshire.
The Democratic feud between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama is set for a potentially decisive showdown on Feb.5, when more than 20 states award half of the delegates needed to win the nomination. That faceoff is inevitable no matter what happens in the upcoming round of tiny-state contests in Nevada and South Carolina.
But the Republican field has not yet narrowed to a one-on-one contest for delegates. As many as five hopefuls are still vying for the top berth. They are competing in two big states before Feb. 5 – Michigan on Tuesday and Florida on Jan. 29. And on Jan. 19, South Carolina is likely to play its traditional role as a winnower of the Republican race.
Democrats are bypassing Michigan and Florida at the behest of national party leaders who are punishing those states for leapfrogging the primary calendar. While Clinton and Obama will skirmish in Nevada and South Carolina, the Republicans are likely to provide the most fireworks for now.

Comments
yeehaw
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 12:08 PM
Woo Woo
Good morning Craig. See Mod Squad quote on previous thread.
With the latest economic news the Republicans are less likely to have fireworks than a fizzled squib of total disinterest.
Posted by: jamie | January 12, 2008 12:09 PM
If this new Michigan poll is right and the numbers hold, Hillary just got every working woman whose husband lost a job in the auto industry, and whose home is going into foreclosure.
http://www.pollster.com/08-MI-Dem-Pres-Primary.php
Posted by: jamie | January 12, 2008 12:41 PM
Edwards finished second in Iowa. He's an underdog, but he's not a nonfactor.
Posted by: Matthew | January 12, 2008 12:52 PM
I heard Mitt the other day blame all the economic ills of Michigan on the democratic governor.. nice move..
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 12:56 PM
Yeah, Michigan being a non-factor for Dems this year is a shame...big, powerful PACs,controlled by the giant unions have little to do until after the Convention in Denver.
And still, the fact that GM and Ford have slipped in many consumers' eyes has a lot to do with the horrible employment condition in Michigan. The unemployment in the formerly bustling state is a blight.
Long gone are the days when the UAW can intimidate buyers with BUY AMERICAN ad themes. The public has chosen.
Now, with cars like the wonderful Ford Fusion, maybe the future will be brighter.
But now, every time I lug my American car ( I change frequently and have bought many Fords, GM and Chrysler products) to my mechanic, he groans and says "Why don't you listen to me and buy a Honda?
Been there, done that, too. My particular Honda was bought new and was a total piece of crap. Fuel lines froze all the time, brakes locked and skidded on the slightest patch of ice or snow,. and my family got hit by a tired motorist and there were some injuries as the Honda crumpled like a tin can.
Posted by: Dexter
| January 12, 2008 1:18 PM
Can we get back to what's important here???
Tylenol...You must check out Alex as Mick! You'll never go back to that baby vampire, as Jamie called him, again!
Jamie...Last night's death was very surprising to me...an obstacle removed?
Posted by: harborwoman | January 12, 2008 1:50 PM
I love my Chevy Cavalier and if and when I switch it could well be to their electric car. Watching the development on that one.
Posted by: jamie | January 12, 2008 1:52 PM
Matthew...
Yes, Edwards is an underdog...because there's no air left in the room when he's running against both the first viable female candidate and the first viable black candidate..but, for my vote, he's still the BEST candidate. It hasn't escaped my notice that both Hillary and Barack have begun using John's campaign issues in the past month. That's happening for a reason....
Posted by: harborwoman | January 12, 2008 1:53 PM
This should come as no surprise, but thought I'd posted just to stir the pot about Blackwater...
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/12/1222121-fbi-finds-blackwater-trucks-patched
Posted by: harborwoman | January 12, 2008 1:57 PM
AAACKKK!!! posted = post it
Posted by: harborwoman | January 12, 2008 1:58 PM
Hilarious McCain/Romney cartoon
http://cartoonbox.slate.com/hottopic/?image=2&topicid=160
Posted by: Patsi | January 12, 2008 2:14 PM
You see harborwoman Blackwater has done nothing wrong in repairing their vehicles. Reason is they repaired the vehicles before the Feds got involved and before it became a federal investigation. Actually I applaud Blackwater for keeping their equipment up and running. It 's called preventive maintenance and anyone who has ever been in the military will tell you this is SOP. Balckwater BTW is composed primairly by x and retired US military. I sure hope you voiced your outrage and concerned when 3 balckwater workers were mutilate , their bodys burned and what reamiled where hung up on a bridge over
Posted by: FryDaddy
| January 12, 2008 2:17 PM
Messes up Mitt's hair
Posted by: jamie | January 12, 2008 2:17 PM
Fry..could you be more predictable??
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 2:24 PM
remains were hung from the girders of a bridge just outside Fallujah. Why is it you Libs always side against your Americans citizens who put themselves in harms way?
Now here is a question for those who want US troops out of Iraq. Who do you remove first the military @165k or the @100k US civilians? You don't hear much about the 100k US Civilians who are currently working in Iraq.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| January 12, 2008 2:24 PM
Why don't you and your giant brain tell us who you'd remove first, fry?
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 2:29 PM
tylenol,
And you are just a Liberal. A talker, a wisher, a wanter, but not a doer, not a willing contributor, not a defender. It is always the same for you Liberals, what is the gov't going to do for me today and that won't cost me any sweat.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| January 12, 2008 2:32 PM
The real question is why do Republicans hate the soldiers and the rest of America. Why are they mortgaging the future generations to the Chinese
The surge was only supposed to last a few months and here it is a year later and the best they can say is less American soldiers are being .
A whole lot less would be killed if we left. And Shrub just said give me more time.
And the best you've got is questioning people's patriotism How dare you.
cheering when people die is a Republican characteristic.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 2:33 PM
Hope you are having a great Saturday. Remember Libs the slogan is, Go Hillary.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| January 12, 2008 2:35 PM
Fry
Why do you hate the constitution
Why do you hate the soliders and support an administration the neither rewards during service and tries to cheat them when they get out. An party that knew of the problems with theVA and medical care and their members in Congress hid it.
You must be very proud.
Your idea of patriot is someone named Quisling
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 2:35 PM
utter horseshit, Fry. You have no idea what I do and contribute.
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 2:36 PM
Fry
Why do your employees hate you?
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 2:39 PM
we know the slogan fry.. we got it tattooed on our butts
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 2:40 PM
isnt it tho? those giant private contracts have absolutely nothing to do with the Republicans tho..
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 2:42 PM
FD
And to top it off you pay the mercenaries three times more salaries and bonuses than the soldiers. Then you try to get the money back from the soldiers who had the poor taste to get themselves wounded or killed before their contracts were up.
The Republicans want more dead bodies and arming both sides for the eventual civil war. The Democrats want enough soldiers left to get people out safely and protect those doing charitable work before leaving themselves.
You should be ashamed to even put an R after your name.
Posted by: jamie | January 12, 2008 2:42 PM
The slogan of the Country is go Democratic!
(no one wants to be a gooper anymore)
Democrats are turning out 3:1
Republicans will carry two states North and South Carolina (maybe)
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 2:43 PM
nevermind.. his wife only lets him on the computer for 2 minutes on the weekend...kinda like Chris Matthews
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 2:46 PM
Fry...
I don't know what you know about Blackwater, but I've actually read the book and done some online research about it. Yes, the Blackwater employees are largely made up of former military...at least, those who will put boots on the ground and risk death. I know several young Marines who think they'd like to go to work for Blackwater after leaving the military...of course, they think that way! It's glamorous and romanticized in their YOUNG minds...the swaggering, swashbuckling tough guys who get to look and act like Rambo. What they have no understanding of is the danger of a mercenary military operating within our borders and at the behest of our government...and, worse!, tied to the Christian right via the Prince family...who are making princely sums of money and - in a value unlike any Christian value I was ever taught - exhorting their minions to learn that 'they have to become comfortable with the work KILL'. Oh...and let's not forget that these mercenaries are paid MUCH more than their military counterparts. If you were a young man or woman, what would you choose?
Now let's examine the four were killed in Fallujah. Blackwater sent in a crew they knew was too small, with inadequate equipment/weaponry to do the job they were sent to do, and failed to provide them with appropriate advance recon so they would know the situation they were driving into.
I'm sick and tired of you questioning anyone's patriotism but your own...and that of your right-leaning friends. I'm an independent who actually voted for George Bush in 2000. I thank him and his administration for being so bad that it finally caused me to open my eyes and begin to do the research that led me to understand just how wrong many of the right's ideas are. You could stand to remove the scales from your eyes, and do a little honest research of your own.
Posted by: harborwoman | January 12, 2008 2:51 PM
Fry,
With regards to your question about who to remove first, I say screw the civilians. They are there because they are chasing the large paychecks. Pull the military out and anyone who wants to stick around does so at their own peril/profit.
Dexter,
I owned a 1982 Honda Civic. It was a great little car that saw it's demise because living in RI, it got hit with the rust bug. For the last year I owned the car, I drove it about 12,000 miles without changing the oil and I only added 2 quarts the entire time. I wanted to see if I could kill the engine and I never could. Honda's are well made, last forever and are inexpensive to maintain.
Posted by: Bear
| January 12, 2008 3:33 PM
Fry,
Love you to death Shipmate.....until you put on your "Rancid Hat" and then your just plain stink......
Try a converstation sometime. I've seen better reactions when you got enough sleep and up on the right side of bed....I know how about some Melatonin to get your REM back and your bright and shiney personality.
Posted by: Sheila
| January 12, 2008 3:37 PM
I drove a 1990 Toyota Carolla wagon until last summer when the floor finally gave out and I looked like I was driving the Flintstones' car. I loved that car. I still miss her.
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 3:38 PM
Tylenol, that is the biggest issue I have seen with Toyotas...body rot seems a common thing with them...but the engine will run forever
Posted by: Bear
| January 12, 2008 3:43 PM
Clinton has a huge lead in Nevada polls
If she loses will Chris Matthews question the results for a hidden agenda.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 3:44 PM
Bear, I drove that thing for 17 years in Montreal winters. I wasn't complaining.. I was marvelling at how long it lasted :)
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 4:03 PM
tylenol: Those old Corollas were great...I rented one once in Toledo, drove it to Charleston, SC, all around SC for ten days..back to Toledo...$97 in gas. For the entire trip. It cost me $55 just for my recent round-trip jaunt to Columbus, just 170 miles away. Gas was about 80 cents a gallon back then, though...my last fill up ? $3.19
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bear: I know Honda is great on quality...Accords are made a couple hours south of me in Marysville, Ohio. Hondas are thick on the roads around Columbus.
Mine was a 1977 Honda Civic CVCC. Cute car, 5 -speed, drove it to Boston from Ohio and then to Cape Breton in Nova Scotia on another Ohio based trip . But when winter came it was WORTHLESS, and very uncrashworthy. I realize that car was made 31 years and times have change dramatically.
I refused car payments most times, and chose to drive old cash-paid-for beaters, Volvos, VWs, and all the Big Three's cars...more than a hundred in over 40 years of driving.
Posted by: Dexter
| January 12, 2008 4:03 PM
Digby's blog is great today.
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 4:03 PM
I asked my trustworthy mechanic which makes he saw the least and what were easiest to work on. He liked Toyota's, Honda's Subaru's, and Buick's. He said prices were cheaper for Buick's, and generally all of the big three.
I think beginning with the 2005 models, Hyundai is hands down the best value. New, they're cheaper than three year old Honda's and Toyota's.
I think Dex's approach. Click & Clack, the Car Talk guys recommend buying a three year old car and drive it several years until repair bill start to mount.
Posted by: dnd | January 12, 2008 4:28 PM
tylenol....In 2001 I bought a Rav4 Toyota -- that was the first year, I believe, that they took on that more rounded shape. I'd always bought American cars...but since my son-in-law works for Toyota in their service dept. training division and he recommended it, I thought I'd try it out. I have loved this car. It has almost 90,000 miles on it and I've never had a problem. Got new brakes a year or so ago. It runs great...knock on wood...handles fantastic and gets good gas mileage.
Posted by: Patsi | January 12, 2008 4:41 PM
Donated my Ford Xploder to the Special Olympics and replaced it with a Subaru Outback. Doubled the gas mileage and has a much better ride. Only thing I miss is the view, with the Xploder was much higher off the road.
As far as SUV's go, one of the best I ever had was an Izusu Trooper, that baby went over 200,000 miles and always got 22 mpg. Downside was when the in-tank fuel pump died on a boat ramp on the 4th of July. Thank God for AAA.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| January 12, 2008 4:47 PM
I heard it on Fox I assume it's their poll.
Let me rephrase --if she still is leading in the polls will Matthews question the results if she loses
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 5:12 PM
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January 12, 2008
Nevada prepares to caucus
Richard Baehr
I am in Las Vegas and it is heaven for a political junkie. Lots of Hillary and Obama ads in the media. Non-stop coverage on local news. One major media theme: unions endorsed Obama without polling members. Another: women and Hispanics like her better. The media, especially the Las Vegas Review-Journal and local TV news, are in Hillary's camp.
Nevada is a caucus state. Will union members stand up publicly and challenge their union?
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 5:33 PM
Voting on the Strip a no-no, suit says
Not allowing nine polling sites would hurt Obama, help Clinton
By David McGrath Schwartz
Sat, Jan 12, 2008 (2 a.m.)
The teachers union has drawn knives on the Culinary Workers, deepening the potential political rifts over Nevada’s Jan. 19 Democratic caucus.
A lawsuit filed late Friday in federal court seeks to stop the Democratic Party from holding caucus meetings at nine Strip hotels, which would diminish the influence of casino workers and hamper Illinois Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign.
LasVegas Sun
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 5:37 PM
......Ok I'm Bored and so I have to tell you about my Toyotas.
I've had toyotas since High School. YOu know West Coast, Navy, Japanese....always.
I've had a Corona, a Corrola, a Starlet, a Camry and now a Tacoma that I bought in 99. I've driven all over 300,000 miles. I've had only one that had a major parts change at the 200,000 mile mark.
I love Toyotas. They run and they run and they run.
Posted by: Sheila
| January 12, 2008 5:45 PM
The Nevada Democratic Party has put their caucus instructions on you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI-fcv6QtVM
Posted by: jamie | January 12, 2008 5:48 PM
Las Vegas odds makers are giving the caucus to Hillary
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/lining_up_in_las_vegas_clinton.html
Posted by: jamie | January 12, 2008 5:53 PM
here is a story for Patsi in Nashville about EMI
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/01/emis-400000-coke-and-hookers-budget.html
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: Horsedooty! | January 12, 2008 6:06 PM
Dnd,
my wife's sister called and said that she and a friend are going to hear some cowboy poetry and music this evening in Denver. I did not catch the name of the place but they have a music school there and it is in an old church. Thought you might be looking for some place to go tonight.
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: Horsedooty! | January 12, 2008 6:28 PM
Good to "see" you doot :)
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 6:36 PM
Dnd this is the place.
http://www.denver365.com/Events/index.php?app=eventDetail&id=82489
yo soy Horsedooty!
one of my favorites is playing tonight. Her name is Jill Jones. Yodeler extrodinaire.
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: Horsedooty! | January 12, 2008 6:37 PM
hey ty hows it going? Cold up there now? Bet it is.
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: Horsedooty! | January 12, 2008 6:39 PM
Hi All-
Has anyone seen this article? Here is the link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html
In it, the writer says that the Obama campaign has put together a memo that accuses the Clinton campaign of being racist. Wow!
According to this article, the Obama campaign has sent this memo to activists, not the press. I don't know whether I believe this report, especially the HP.
If it is true, then the Obama camp is using race as a divisive issue in the SC primary. IF it is true, and I stress IF, then he is not keeping true to his whole theme of "uniter and not a divider."
Posted by: Jan, STL | January 12, 2008 6:53 PM
Jan,
That's a mighty big IF:
http://www.jimloy.com/humor/if.htm
Posted by: dnd | January 12, 2008 6:57 PM
Sam Stein
The Huffington Post
Obama Camp's Memo on Clintons' Politicizing Race
January 12, 2008 01:15 PM
Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has prepared a detailed memo listing various instances in which it perceived Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign to have deliberately played the race card in the Democratic primary.
The memo, which was obtained by the Huffington Post and has been made public elsewhere, is believed to have been given to an activist and contains mostly excerpts from different media reports. It lists the contact info and name of Obama's South Carolina press secretary, Amaya Smith,
The Obama camp did not return repeated requests for comment. But campaign spokesperson Candice Tolliver told Politico that, in regards to the race-based comment: "Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this really an isolated situation or is there something bigger behind all of this?"
If what. they wrote the memo and they distributed it.
what's the if.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 7:08 PM
I'm sure the first question at the msgobama Nevada debate will be to Senator Clinton and ask her when she will stop race baiting?
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 7:13 PM
always an excuse
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 7:22 PM
growing pains
then why not wait until he is all grown up
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 7:25 PM
my bad
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 7:31 PM
Hey Katherine,
I stressed IF because I always take all articles with a grain of salt. I just do not trust most journalists anymore.
I would have liked it if the HP had actually posted the memo.
Needless to say, my general impression, which is based on Obama surrogates, is that his campaign is trying to exploit the race issue for the SC election. It kills me when his surrogates urge this notion that Bill Clinton's "fairy tale"comment was a racist one. That is taken completely out of context. Also, the LBJ comment was a legitmate one. To say that the Clinton campaign is racist based on these seems to be a means of fanning discontent among the African American community.
Everyone wants to tout that Obama is this person who can reach out to all kinds of people; he is inclusive. I am not so sure I buy that rhetoric.
When I think about it, Obama really needs to win SC because if he loses, it says that he can not win an election where there are a lot of African Americans.
Posted by: Jan, STL | January 12, 2008 7:31 PM
Hi Katherine,
Actually, the Washington Post is also reporting on this memo as well.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/11/AR2008011103662.html?hpid=topnews
What's weird is that the Obama camp is not taking credit for the memo. Their response is that people have to decide for themselves. I don't know....
Posted by: Jan | January 12, 2008 7:46 PM
I don't know if the shuck and jive comment was included but I did not realize that it could be considered racist ...until this flap. I did not know the origins. I do know that it is widely used and not in a racist way, For example:
"Dan Rosensweig, Yahoo's chief operating officer, said the company has formed much closer bonds with its audience than other major Web sites, making it easier to extend its reach into mobile computing devices and other opportunities.
"We don't feel like we have to shuck and jive to find new businesses," Rosensweig said."
http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20060518/NEWS/605180397
perhaps the Obama campaign should issue a style book so people do not offend by accident.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 7:49 PM
Didn't go see Huckabee today. Will try to see McCain on Monday. My parents got a phone call from the Mitt Romney tonight. He even called my Mom by her first name. Must be a new thing. I missed a political poll call tonight. As for Blackwater , the company I work for was originally owned by Ed Prince. His son is Erik Prince , the founder of Blackwater. The Prince's ran a good company. They also support many conservative and religious programs. Focus on the Family etc... I'm not sure what to think about Erik Prince.
Posted by: Corey
| January 12, 2008 7:53 PM
We should also give the candidates a break... i am sure that before this is all over some overzealous staffer on every campaign will do something stupid... There's so much that's sent out without the candidate knowing.. not an excuse, but likely not the candidate's feelings.
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 7:54 PM
Jan
Thanks for posting all the sources. It is interesting to see what people list as fact an not. The Huffpo story lists detail that says the memo comes from the SC Obama campaign the post says the Campaign does not take credit for the memo.
I wonder if we will ever know the truth.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 7:54 PM
I'm pretty much suspicious of anything with the word "Family" in it..
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 7:55 PM
KGC
I do sincerely hope the Obama camp will disavow the memo since his goal is supposedly to be a candidate for all the people of the united states.
While a racial slant may have faded for "shuck and jive" it is decidedly a black reference and has multiple meanings, everything from lazy and shiftless to a type of dance, to being untruthful. I can believe that a younger person might use it in total innocence and an older person could be very offended.
Posted by: jamie | January 12, 2008 7:57 PM
Here is a pretty good all around definition
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006051720041
Posted by: jamie | January 12, 2008 8:00 PM
Hi Craig- first of all, I meant to thank you for your analysis pf the NH polls given on KO- I believe you were accurate-meveryone forgets about margins of error and undecided/squishy supporters.
It would also be interesting to take a poll of who participates in polls- I answer them all if I can- bu many let the machine pick up.
And I have never been part of an exit poll.
On to your post today and the "feud" - hard feelings are building in NH among the dem activists that was reported upon in todays WaPo. It mostly starts with the choice flier I posted about last week:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/12/taken_for_granite.html
Posted by: Kathy | January 12, 2008 8:00 PM
i guess there are a lot of people living under rocks
January 11, 2008 - By THE NEW YORK TIMES - New York and Region
The Woodstock Notion
...man," he said. "Woodstock was shuck and jive, a TV commercial about money...of the epochal 1969 rock festival, and the moribund Catskills resort, desperate...Virtually nobody under 65 showed up, and now Mr. Hoffman watched elderly good...
August 5, 1994 - By Neal Karlen - Opinion - 1141 words
Critic's Choice: New DVD's
...Cab Calloway, Fats Waller, the Nicholas Brothers and (from the realm of high art) Katherine Dunham and her dancers. Rural shuck and jive uneasily coexists with uptown elegance under the...
January 17, 2006 - By Dave Kehr - Movies - 1302 words
Sports of The Times; St. Joseph's Martelli Has Reason to Be Happy, but Not Satisfied
...Stanford lost to Washington, of course, and if there is any justice in the world of college sports -- and I believe there is, despite what...about that, too. Most coaches will shuck and jive and cliché you to death about how...
March 8, 2004 - By WILLIAM C. RHODEN - Sports - 1034 words
FILM IN REVIEW; 'Agent Cody Banks 2' -- 'Destination London'
...international youth orchestra sponsored and housed by Lord Kenworth's unsuspecting...true mission than she is letting on, and his C.I.A. handler, a portly...misadventures flirt with old-school shuck and jive. Directed by the British filmmaker...
March 12, 2004 - By DAVE KEHR - Movies - 458 words
Young In The Burbs; The Life of the Party
...guys who work at the gas stations and electronic stores during the week...toward her. He mocks her appearance and she goes back into her house. Sara...he arrives. Vinny. Vinny, the shuck-and-jive hipster who prowls the mean streets...
April 9, 2000 - By Charlie LeDuff - Magazine - 1688 words
Why Bush Won't Wait
...prolonged game of inspection cat-and-mouse, are suddenly being sent...ever like a dead end. Saddam's shuck and jive shows he will never come clean. The antiwar tantrums of France and Germany just encourage his intransigence...
January 25, 2003 - By BILL KELLER - Opinion - 1558 words
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 8:01 PM
More from the Obama slime machine:
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080112/NEWS01/909595977/-1/news
Posted by: dnd | January 12, 2008 8:01 PM
Dnd-
I don;t get why you are saying that the Blumenthal arrest is linked to Obama??
Posted by: Kathy | January 12, 2008 8:11 PM
Since when did "fairy tale" become racist
I'm going to need a list.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 8:25 PM
also let's not forget Obama called Clinton the Senator from Punjab...
a response to that
"June 15th,
2007
12:01 pm As the son of an African, it is quite disconcerting that Obama and his camp would treat any group of recent immigrants as being sub-class Americans. I read the memos and noted that there is an undercurrent of this very attitude towards Indian-Americans. The memos draw together several facts, which are arranged in a deceptive way to make it seem that the sole reasons that an Indian-American would support Sen. Clinton is her connection to outsourcing. Though not as blatant as George Allen’s “makaka” comment in the last election cycle, the Obama memos speak of Indian-Americans almost as spies working for Indian interests, rather than as Americans who have a right to support whatever political candidates they choose.
— Posted by S. Boyle
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 8:30 PM
let's not forget who the real racist is Karl Rove
we forget the now legendary story of how he smirked and then looked the other way in 2000 when "push-pollers" began calling voters in South Carolina asking them how they felt that John McCain had a black child out of wedlock (the fuel for this fire? John and Cindy McCain adopted a child from Bangladesh).
http://cerebralitch.blogspot.com/2008/01/former-deputy-chief-of-staff-to.html
and he's back "not tanned and still fat."
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 12, 2008 8:57 PM
Here is the original comment made by Attny General Andre Cuomo:
You know I’ve spent a lot of time in other races, especially in Iowa and in New Hampshire, back with Gore and back with Clinton. Those races require you to do something no other race does, you know, and I like it, and I agree with you, it’s a good thing. It’s not a TV-crazed race, you know, you can’t just buy your way through that race , it doesn’t work that way, it’s frankly a more demanding process. You have to get on a bus, you have to go into a diner, you have to shake hands, you have to sit down with ten people in a living room.
You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference, you can’t just put off reporters, because you have real people looking at you saying answer the question, you know, and all those moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living room.
And I think it’s good for the candidates, I think it makes the candidates communicate in a way that works with real people because you know in a living room right away whether or not you’re communicating, and I think the questions are good and I think the scrutiny is good, so you can, you can say they’re small states and they get a lot of attention — they are very good for the process, I believe that.
Posted by: Jan | January 12, 2008 9:14 PM
Now hear this.....My Dad is going to vote for Ron Paul. He said he voted for him in the last election and Why Change Now.... ;0)
Posted by: Sheila
| January 12, 2008 9:17 PM
Looking at the context of that statement, it would really take someone who wanted to be offended to find that offensive.
Posted by: jamie | January 12, 2008 9:19 PM
Jamie, I love that my Dad has his own moral beliefs and love of the Constitution.
Posted by: Sheila
| January 12, 2008 9:21 PM
Sheila,
I was talking about the Cuomo post above yours. I think your dad sounds great.
Posted by: jamie | January 12, 2008 9:29 PM
Me Too. I took your comment as possitive anyway.
Posted by: Sheila
| January 12, 2008 9:43 PM
The latest Michigan poll numbers:
http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7616050
http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7616081
Posted by: Corey
| January 12, 2008 9:50 PM
South Carolina
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_primary-234.html
Posted by: jamie | January 12, 2008 10:09 PM
HRC has been gambling all along...staying hawkish , voting for all funding, only feebly and unconvincingly has she , as Bill Richardson said, been moved to an "end the war" position (Richardson took credit for moving all Dems that way), but she left lots of room to come across as "for the war", say if Insane McCain would be debating her on a very pro-The Surge question.
Craig Crawford wrote some stuff last year ; when McCain went broke and almost all his staff had to leave cuzza lack of money, Crawford said it was much too early to write him off. Also, he said that there was a chance the war might turn and kind of be a boon to Bush.
Now, Clinton, who voted FOR the war, voted FOR all the funding, and at five major turning points , which Frank Rich documented months ago, steadfastly refused to distance herself from the war.
Now Insane McCain is making hay campaigning on "I told you so! The Surge is working and I'm the only one who was for it!"...but if he debates Hillary Clinton, she can easily say "I voted for every war measure which came my way!"
So Hillary has it both ways. Bill Clinton was not COMPARING HRC's "peace-ness" with Obama's phony peace stance...he was pointing out what a clown Obama is to ride his anti-war stance at the beginning of Shock & Awe , to ride that like he's been anti-war these past years...Bill Clinton was just calling out attention to Obama's hawkish true self.
So Hillary knew all along what she was doing...I must give her credit in the smarts department. She knew America might rally behind the flag and the faulty information that "The Surge is working", when ANYBODY can pick up any paper and see IT IS A DISGUSTING FAILURE! The Iraqi transitional government is no closer to bringing the warring factions/coalitions together that they were on day one.
Who knows how long the truce that Moqtada al-sadr is participating in will stay strong?
One false move...one monumental mess-up by US Marines ( you feel that might be a possibility, too?) will trigger an uprising that will blow this thing up like a big bomb would.
A lot of this temporary lessening of violence is based on a fragile handshake...al-Sadr has a temper, the nut didn't fall far from the tree...and then what? Scrambled eggs.
Posted by: Dexter
| January 12, 2008 10:54 PM
I'm sitting here having my rice krispies... reading all my favourite sites.. (I was reading the Sweet Jesus blog, and I made the mistake of clicking a few links.. i've been here 2 hours now)
Anyway.. I think I'm going to have a fight with my cereal... I coulda sworn they said "snap, crackle and f**k you!"..
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 11:23 PM
Evening Posse...
Here's the lastest Intrade Presidential Futures Market graphs (National, Nevada [Dems], and Michigan [Rep].
Headlines....
McCain holds the lead both nationally and in Michigan. Clinton still holds the lead nationally, but Obama holds the lead in Nevada...
http://www.central.edu/publicdocs/01%2D12%2D08FuturesMarketGraphs.pdf
Posted by: spike
| January 12, 2008 11:27 PM
So..if Mitt (who names their kid Mitt?) loses in Michigan..is it over for him? doesn't he have to win more than Wyoming?
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 11:45 PM
goodnight.. I leave you with this.. sing it, Eva!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUwTdqPkluY
Posted by: tylenol
| January 12, 2008 11:51 PM
2/5 is gonna be quite a day!
My get up & go, got up and went.
Can't do any cleaning up tonight, Dex.
*thud*
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| January 13, 2008 12:07 AM
How do I know my youth is all spent?
My get up and go has got up and went
In spite of it all, I'm able to grin
When I think of the places my get up has been
Posted by: jamie | January 13, 2008 12:16 AM
I'm watching The Hill, a Sydney Lumet film from1965, set in the Libyan desert , a prison camp of sorts with an artificial hill..quite a show. Starring Sean Connery, on TCM now.
Posted by: Dexter
| January 13, 2008 12:20 AM
From Horsedooty:
here is a story for Patsi in Nashville about EMI
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/01/emis-400000-coke-and-hookers-budget.html
yo soy Horsedooty!"
Damn, Dooty! EMI has a $400,000 a year budget for drugs and hookers!!?? Who knew? Back in the mid-90s those bastards made me account for every cup of coffee I drank when they sent me to New York to help the Pirates of the Mississippi raise money for the homeless.
Posted by: Patsi | January 13, 2008 12:24 AM
tylonol -- >>So..if Mitt (who names their kid Mitt?) loses in Michigan..is it over for him?
From a post of mine on the "Waterloo" thread...
"If McCain wins SC, or both MI and SC, its probably over for Romney, Guliani and Huckabee."
See that thread for the rest of the story....
Posted by: spike
| January 13, 2008 12:29 AM
JannBe School of Typing...
Tylonol ==> Tylenol -- My Bad...
Posted by: spike
| January 13, 2008 12:31 AM
About Tweety:
The Young Turks
http://www.theyoungturks.com/
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| January 13, 2008 1:29 AM
Mitt is gonna remind the out of work people in Michigan of the very people that fired them.
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: Horsedooty! | January 13, 2008 4:27 AM
The full story of "Fairy Tales and Who's REALLY the liar." (And it ain't the Clintons!)
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/_by_frank_james_the.html
Posted by: Dexter
| January 13, 2008 4:32 AM
Dex,
I thought Obama's answer was truthful....I don't know what the problem is.
Posted by: Sheila
| January 13, 2008 5:25 AM
A little Sunday Morning Humor....Hilarious!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/11/must-see-video-fat-guys-_n_80775.html
Posted by: Sheila
| January 13, 2008 5:57 AM
Dex,
Interesting link on the "Fairy Tale" speech. Bill sure does like to be the center of attention! I was out with some friends last night when this became a topic of conversation. One person thought it was very un-former-Presidential of him. Another said the reason she thought the reason the Clinton's hate Obama so much is that he's just like Bill was when he first ran for president: young, charming, charismatic, great speaker, has a strong brilliant assertive wife, running on "time for a change" and lacking in experience. Someone else piped up: "And they're both black!" Someone else asked "does he cheat on his wife too?" I bought another round...
Posted by: dnd | January 13, 2008 7:51 AM
hilo nuevo
Posted by: dnd | January 13, 2008 8:36 AM
Or maybe it's "el hilo nuevo." Somebody help me out here.
Posted by: dnd | January 13, 2008 8:40 AM
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