Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

seems to me that Paul's conscience would drive him to the 3rd party conclusion......

Paul says he did not write the damning racist letters.....

but who, exactly, would be voting for him? I hope the demos learned something from Mr Nader.......

Note to JennBe: I noticed your comment about Hannity and Colmes...and agree. (And I'm a liberal Dem!) I watched all that post-debate coverage and kept wondering why Alan was doing most of the questioning. I can't stand Hannity and was happy not to have to listen to him but still....

New blog on the Block.......

"Sweet Jesus, I hate Chris Matthews"
http://sweetjesusihatechrismatthews.blogspot.com/

Forget Ron Paul. Now that Richardson is out, I'm voting Goldwater/Miller

http://goldwatermiller08.com/

it was great reading all that debate comment again.....
didn't watch it..... but thanks to your comments.... I didn't have to....

Craig.... I think the other Republican candidates hate Paul because he reminds them of how far they have strayed from true Republican values....

Ron Paul was the only one speaking English. All the rest were speakiing buzz words, spin, and talking point.

If it is one speech in front of one group that language is mildly irritating but not insensible. With everyone on the stage speaking the same language, it just sounded brainless

Who gets to say "hate America"

I already said "we want to win", you can't say "want to win" 10 seconds later

"9/11" - that must have been Rudy

"My Friend" - Johnny pipes up

"cut taxes" - and the choral group chimes in

sturg....

just looked around "sweetjesusihatechrismatthews".....

what a scream!

sturg - And that's the problem with the 2-party system. The machines of the big two are so powerful that people are afraid to "throw away" their votes and the most a 3rd-party candidate can hope for is to be a spoiler. I voted for an off-label candidate when I was in college & not sure if I would do that now. When it comes down the big two in the general, if it's not party loyalty, then it's the lesser-of-two-evils.

Does anybody care who John Kerry endorses? He's not a king-maker. Who does he think he is? Al Gore?

Now we will see if Huck gets the "Colbert bump" in SC or if the writers' strike (reduced viewership 'cause who knew it was back on/reduced watchability) keeps it flat.

they hate ron paul because he's FREE............lol

in SC....a vote in the general for a democrat is wasted as the state goes to republican without fail.....but if there is a 3rd party guy .......then my vote counts somewhat

Listening to C-Span....wow, the Ron Paul folks are PISSED!

Loved both Goldwater/Miller and Sweet Jesus!

And....Blue -- I also cast my first presidential vote in college, for a third party candidate. I've looked back in shame because all it turned out to be was a vote for Richard Nixon. I kept trying to explain that to my liberal friends who voted Nader in 2000.....did they listen....but Noooooo.....

I missed the debate last night , had to go into work early. We had a lot of wet snow here in West Michigan last night. Roads are okay this morning. Gonna check what the candidates schedules are for this weekend here. I do have one question , though. I was watching CNN this morning and they did a quick poll about what was most important to voters this election. The economy and health care were at 44% and 32%. Iraq was 16% and terror/security was just 7%. The war in Iraq and terrorism/security are all that McCain really talked about when he arrived in Michigan the other day. If those two things are low in importance to voters , how can McCain win by stressing those things in his campaign?

what blue said about the parties which is bolstered by election laws which favor the two major parties

and sturg where did you find that blog...I immediately bookmarked it...

and rr thanks for the link to the Jon Stewart tweety moment yesterday...I could play that over and over

KC.....appropriately enough.......CrooksandLiars......

mornin' all.

Apparently MoJo has decided that he backs Huckleberry - probably because they jam together at times - all he could talk about was Thompson and McCain piling on Huckle. I do have to give Huckie one kudo - probably the funniest line about Thompson - he needs some metamucil. Now THAT was a funny line - and apt from what I see. But I just could not bring myself to watch a bunch of old fart white guys talk as if we are in the throes of a shooting war- but the enemy is just 3 steps removed from fighting on camels.

Well, Kerry's role in the Obama campaign is now clear - attack dog.

http://blogs.lasvegassun.com/politics/2008/01/10/obama-upping-nevada-stakes-kerry-kicks-clinton/

Okay. Grand Rapids Press is endorsing Romney. Huckabee is gonna be at the Amway Grand Plaza Hotel at 9:30 a.m. tomorrow morning in downtown Grand Rapids. McCain at Hope College Theater at 12:15 on Monday. I wouldn't need anything special to attend these , would I? I've never been to one of these before.

"I wouldn't need anything special to attend these , would I? I've never been to one of these before."
Corey

a strong stomach....don't forget your camera

just discovered I have a blog......started it once when crawford's list was still on blogspot.....then forgot how to get back into it to do anything....now I guess I will look into it again.......

The thing is the Amway Grand is part of the DeVos empire. Dick Devos and his wife are hardcore Republicans as well as his wife being the sister of Erik Prince of Blackwater. I'll just make sure that if I go , I stay away from the Kool-Aid!

Oh my Tweety Bird's feelings are hurt. Just listen to him whine about those mean, mean ladies on The View.

Corey....
if the economy and healthcare are what's important to most voters..... how can any Republican win in Nov....

Pogo.... are you saying that John Kerry is Obama's secret weapon..... now that's funny!....

seriously.... I proudly voted for Kerry too..... but for the man who allowed himself to be "swiftboated" to become another candidate's attack dog is more than a little ironic....

would almost pay to see Barbara Walters dismantle Chris Matthews......

Sturgeone,

What is the blog address? I'll need to add it to my blogroll on my page.

I am thoroughly enjoying listening to Chris matthews "backpedaling"!!!!!

Oh Lord...did he just a "Jeopardy Challenge"???

Chris...dude...get a grip!!!

aww, thanks......there's nothing on it.....but it's bluescrab.blogspot.com it happened late one night as I labored under a mis-apprehension of wine fueled competence......

meant to type: did he just issue a "Jeopardy Challenge"

If he cries on air, do we have to vote for him?

Jamie -- I heard Chris's rant just now. And -- sorry Sheila, ha! -- I'm even more pissed. He continually railed at Barbara Walters saying he'd take her on any day in a battle of wits....because it is "historical fact" that Hillary Clinton won that Senate campaign because of Bill's fooling around. No, Chris, you fat f*&k....it is not a historical fact. It is YOUR take on it. My NY friends told me at the time that she ran an amazing campaign, especially in rural areas. She did the damned groundwork. (And these people were not especially fans of hers.)

God this man is a pig. And his hatred for all things Clinton borders on sinister.

Kerry who? I think he endorsed Obama as a strategy for running in 2012. Figuring that the angry white male vote and even Blue Dog Democrats would not vote for Obama, he could try and pick up the mantle for the next election. I hated what the right-wing nut cases did to him in 2006, but Senator Hollings did say to him, when he was planning his campaign strategy, "I thought you wanted to WIN this thing", which was a acknowledgment of Bob Shrum running his campaign. When you think of the millions Shrum and Tad Devine pocketed for their piss poor judgement, it makes my blood boil. I will never, ever EVER contribute to such political campaigns again. The consultants become millionaires and the poor people who can barely make ends meet send hard earned money to the campaigns in hope of change.

I sort of went on a tangent here. Kerry can endorse who he wants, but Kerry is so UNLIKABLE that it will certainly not help Obama in any manner.

Sturgeone - Write something fast, you are now a link on my page with the other Crawdad blogs.

I'm belated........

wrong on so many levels
"President Bush had tears in his eyes during an hour-long tour of Israel's Holocaust memorial Friday and told Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the U.S. should have bombed Auschwitz to halt the killing, the memorial's chairman said."

ROTFLMAO @ the sweetjesusihateCM blogspot!!!

I have been fascinated this election season by the race going on in the Republican Party. It is not difficult to see that the Republicans have much more at stake than a ’08 nominee. This election year is shaping up to be a watershed.

The corporate RINOs are meeting with their like-minded DINOs in Okie-land to plot strategy… the TV-evangelicals are pushing the flock one way while their troops are lusting for another… and then there is Ron Paul… those harsh lights can also produce some scary shadows.

KGC

He would have bombed where they were keeping the victims to stop the killing?

Does the man ever hook up his brain before the mouth moves?

the embodiment of the fight was the conversation last night between the guy from Club Growth and the one from the Family Research Council. They find each other's first choice unaccceptable. Too bad fatass tweety didn't shut up long enough to let the Club Growth guy talk.

l'm an upstate new yorker who doesn't know anyone who voted for hillary out of sympathy. we voted for her because she was the better candidate and we believed she would be a good senator. We haven't been disappointed.
chris matthews is a loud mouth know it all moron!

Jamie
clearly he does not. and then he cried...can't wait to hear the folks say he should resign because he is not fit to serve (well that's true anyway) but I am talking about the crying game.

btw...i'm new to this posting thing. can you all tell me why chris is called tweetie?

We should put this piece of information on the page.

It is his nickname from some of his staff because of the blond blond hair that makes him look like "Tweety Bird"

renee, there's nothing secret about it, but he's inverting the process and exaggerating Obama's successes and downplaying Hillary's experience - read the article I linked. With all due respect to Kerry, wordsmithing "legislator" ain't gonna sway many folks, and helping pass sweeping ethics legislation that no one understands and few people think means diddly also won't sway many folks who thought their votes for dems in '06 were meant to address that problem. But yes, it is ironic isn't it?

ThomasFreeman, I have to disagree with you about Kerry positioning for a 2012 run - his goose is thoroughly cooked, and I think he knows it. (Of course I've been wrong before and could be now).

Bush is so remorseful, and so insightful in retrospect. I expect he'll repudiate his f*cked up policies on his deathbed. Shit, even David Brooks recognizes that his economic theories won;t work anymore - as if they ever did.

what jamie said and here's a little more

Etymology of "Tweety". During Campaign 2000 the media noise machine was swooning over the nicknames Shrub was giving some of them. Media Whores Online ran a contest to nickname Chris MATTHEWS. In the first 3 or so weeks, there was no clear, catchy front runner, with "The Screamer" sort of leading. Then one of MATTHEWS's own Hardball staff leaked to MWO that they themselves called him "Tweety" because of the Clairol shade he favored. This was immediately declared the winner. But in some quarters, it wasn't entirely satisfactory. For one thing, by the time the name was declared, the shade had changed to platinum, leading to a suggestion he be called "Carole LOMBARD".

Thanks for the posting nannymm -- I've always heard that Hillary is doing a helluva job for NY. And also that she is well liked upstate, and among farmers.

Which brings me to an anecdote. My sister in rural Kansas tells me that she know an elderly farmer, a lifelong Republican, who plans to vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the nominee. It is a vote strictly based on what he believes she's done for farmers.

My husband calls me "tweety bird"...'cause I have a big forehead(I need to post a pic)!!

nannymm, welcome aboard and saddle up - there will be quite a few affectionate nicknames used here, and you may from time to time wonder who in the hell is being referred to - ask, we all do if we don't know who is being skewered. And your opinion about Matthews is pretty mainstream here.

thanks, jamie and KGC. up until i started reading this blog i just called hm the azzhole. tweetie is so much better...i don't have to cover my grandson's ears when i scream at the tv. lol

I just realized that in the midst of all of this discussion of Hillary's "tearing up", that none of the so called pundits have discussed the words she said when it happened as she shook her head.

It was a plea for the salvation of the country from the damage done by George Bush and the fear that it might be too late, and no one has highlighted it in any way.

I almost yearn for the days of John Anderson (my 1980 Presidential vote).....

From Wikipedia...

Initially, Anderson was amongst the most conservative members of the Republican caucus. As he continued to serve, Anderson's positions on social issues shifted to the left, though his fiscal philosophy remained largely conservative. In 1969, he became Chairman of the House Republican Conference, the caucus of all Republican members of the House, and by the early 1970s was regarded as one of the most articulate of the Rockefeller Republicans.

In the 1980 presidential election, Anderson entered the Republican primary for the U.S. Presidential election, in a crowded field that included Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. Following the Wisconsin primary, he dropped out of the primary race to run as an independent candidate for the fall general election.

During the fall campaign, Reagan and Anderson engaged in a televised debate. Although he was invited, Carter did not participate in this debate. Carter and Reagan debated each other in the penultimate week of the presidential campaign; Anderson was not invited to participate.

In the end, he received 7% of the vote in the election with a total of about 6 million votes.

His inability to make headway against the de facto two party system as an independent in that election would later lead him to become an advocate for Instant Runoff Voting, helping to found FairVote in 1992. Anderson's 1980 candidacy is a prime example of how the spoiler effect harms third party candidates and was often cited as a good case for the Instant Runoff Voting system.

In the 1984 Presidential election, Anderson supported the Democratic candidate Walter Mondale. In the 2000 U.S. presidential election, he endorsed Ralph Nader. In early January 2008, Anderson indicated strong support for the candidacy of Democratic contender Barack Obama.

excellent post disproving the idea of rampant voting machine scandal in NH

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/10/02623/2264/85/434176

Craig -- John Anderson's now down in your neck of the woods. Y'all ought to hobble over and get his perspective on Ron Paul. History looks to be repeating itself...

"I reached Anderson, now 85, by phone Sunday afternoon in Fort Lauderdale, where he lives half the year and teaches seminars in constitutional law and electoral process as a visiting professor at the Shepard Broad Law Center at Nova Southeastern University."

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/01/john-b-anderson.html

thanks kathy

kathy, did you catch my rantings about Anon-P's suggestions of voting machine fraud yesterday? I approached it from another angle, assuming the truth os his hypothesis and applying it to the results, and came to the same conclusion. Ron Paul's campaign, bless his heart, was behind the stuff A-P had posted.

Excellent Peter Dreier column on Hillary's early political leanings and possible core beliefs

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/hillary-clinton-should-be_b_80803.html

Good morning...
Well the doctor said I had a bug and put me on a antibiotic and a antihistamine. I was too under the weather to do much once I got home so I lay down for awhile and than watched some tv.

After KO and CSI I realized that the Repug debate was on so tuned to it. After 25 minutes I finally saw Ron Paul get ask a question and he really blasted the moderators and those who said he was no Republican.

I also saw Huckabee once again give some very honest answers which I know many of you disagree with me about him as possibly not being so bad a Presidential candidate for the country.

I still don't know what I'll do, however I still say that he may not be such a bad President as many, including myself, worry about having a Theologian in the White House.

Of course they had the focus group from of all places "The Citadel" which has been reportedly making those who are not Christians feel like they didn't belong for not "accepting Christ" as their Saviour. And the head of the Academy should have been removed from the school for this sort of turning our Military into a so called Army of God School.

Sorry, didn't mean to drag this out, gave Thompson the win.

On another note I heard on the news just a short time ago that Dennis Kucinich wants a recount of the ballots. His campaign was told he could have one, but he would have to pay for it.

Has anyone heard if anyone is willing to come up with the $67,000 Dollars to pay for it? Dennis reportedly don't have enough funds to cover a recount.

I don't see Obama, Clinton or Edwards paying for one so what do you think about Dennis asking for one and not having the funds to pay for it?
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pogo...
Back to the paper count I posted about yesterday and the links on the video of optical scanners changing votes.

Did you watch the ten minute video that showed 6 no vote ballots and 2 yes vote ballots being counted which should have returned a vote total of 8 votes with a result of 6 no and 2 yes for the results.

The actual vote result the machine showed was 7 yes votes and 1 no vote.

Now there may not have been any votes hacked in NH, however I for one would like to see a paper hand count to verify the count by machine was correct no matter who comes out on top on the recount.

If you read the article and watched the video there is no over sight on this company, a private company, who counts the Diebold machine vote totals.

And no I'm not accusing the Clinton camp of voter fraud. Remember its the Republicans who want Hillary to be the Democratic nominee as she will rally the Repug base to come out against her. She also carries the highest negatives and they believe they can beat her. They want to decide who they will run against and not leave it to the people who may put someone who can beat anyone they may decide to put up if no one can get enough support before their Convention.

Anyway thats about all I can think of right now.

God Bless.

CNN is reporting the Plunger's (Giuiliani) campaign is in trouble and not paying staff

Would you work for free for a man whose wife insists there be an airplane seat free for her purse?

Kathy...
thanks for posting the Kos link....

oops....I see I got the year wrong about Nader.... it was after the 2004 election... not the 2000.... christ.... it feels more like 100 yrs ago....

nannymm..... welcome to the blog... azzhole..... LOL!

Spike is spot on. Instant Runoff Voting would solve oh-so-many problems, and would avoid the dilemma of worrying about throwing away your vote if you vote your conscience.

I haven't been advocating IRV as long as John Anderson, though it may seem that way on this blog...

San Francisco has instant runoff
some problems with the software for counting but basically works just fine.
There are a number of cities throughout the country with some form of irv

a-p, I can't watch streaming video at work - filters keep it out. I am aware that there is no government oversight over diebold, but no one makes any state or locality buy diebold machines, and diebold is not the only manufacturer of e-voting machines and opscan machines. As I said yesterday, even if you assume there was fraud and imposed the hand count percentages on the vote totals in the 3 metro markets size samples, the results, at least on the dem side, were the same. And in terms of gross votes available to influence outcome, if the establishment, be it repug or dem, sought to influence the vote to ensure a Clinton victory, they are incompetent since the machine count advantage for Clinton was in the 2 smaller demos, which collectively had fewer votes to influence and in the larger demo for Obama, which had more. The other possibility is that the republican establishment wanted to influence the election to have Obama win, reckoning that in the general election Hillary will be harder to beat. In that case, your argument makes more sense, but still is not supported by the small difference that the alleged fraud resulted in.

And we are going to disagree about Huckleberry - he would be a terrible, albeit affable, president and would screw up your world in ways you can only imagine.

AP

Kucinich was just on Stephanie Miller making a pitch for people to come to his webpage to contribute. He said that they had already issued a check for the recount, but did need funds to make up for the expenditure.

http://www.instantrunoff.com/

any body who works on non partian local races knows the value of instant run off

it cuts down the cost and there is always a big fall off of voters because the run off election is a special

Here's the Intrade data through last night...

http://www.central.edu/publicdocs/01%2D10%2D08FuturesMarketGraphs.pdf

Looks like a horse race, especially on the Republican side...

This issue isn't corrupt Diebold touch screen machines,, since they aren't used in NH. The issue is that optical scanners can also be hacked. However since they have a paper trail, the results can be verified. Which is why Skinny Dennis can ask for a recount.

BTW, the first (and last) time I used one of those touch screen voting machines, it printed out a little paper slip with my vote on it. I asked one of the voting officials what I was suppose to do with it. She told me to take it home. Huh? How can they do a manual recount if I have the paper trail?

And one more BTW, the Colorado Sec of State has decertified these machines. Colorado may go paper ballot unless and until some other solution is found.

Here in NH Dennis is expected to request a recount- and many people are already volunteering to take part in it- I would love a statewide recount to prove/ disprove things-Each candidate can have an observer present.

But it is expensive- so I hope it actually happens

what a waste of time
he should spend the money on looking for that ufo

there are enough real problems with voting to make this an issue.

KGC- waste of money perhaps- but it would be nice to show what the results are(I do not think there is any validity by the way)

Here in Keene there are repeatedly allegations of voter fraud- mainly because we have a state college. There are many attacks (which I am very familiar with- I am a town chair and attorney who volunteers on election day for dem legal issues).

Though the state AG and Sec of State always show there were not real problems the allegations continue.

Some are even saying Clinton bussed in illegal voters form MA and VT!
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Here is a post for BlueHampshire by the former state party chair about the elections:

*[new] Tweety (0.00 / 0)
My theory on Tweety and the others is that they are so self absorbed and elitist that they cannot believe that they were wrong, so they have to come up with a reason to blame the voters for being wrong. Matthews is a particular disgrace; he lost whatever journalistic integrity he had weeks ago. I don't mean all political reporters; our NH people are pretty good, and for the most part the working print media nationally are pretty good. But the celebrity journalists, pundits and talking heads are, for the most part, poisonous. They talk to each other, decide what the story is, and don't want to hear any disagreement.

I'm also getting fed up with the "women gave Hillary a sympathy vote" argument, which is another "I wasn't wrong, it was the voters" type argument. Were some women angry at the harsh treatment? Yes. But it is insulting to women voters to claim that we would vote for president of the United States based on a sympathy vote. There are members of the press who will refuse to give Hillary credit for anything until the day she leaves the White House after her second term as President! Ironically, there are those who castigate the msm who are more than happy to believe the msm when it comes to Hillary; why is that?

Energy and persistence conquer all things.
Benjamin Franklin

There is no evidence of any fraud and yet the allegations continue. So now a lot of time and energy will be wasted showing there was no fraud.
But the people claiming fraud will never be convinced because (and I love ap) they are conspiracy theorists
nothing you do will ever make them believe there wasn't a cabal .

I would gladly give to support the recount if it would end the cries but it won't.

kgc...
I have to disagree with you about this being a waste of time. Vote integrity is vital to open and honest elections, even if the results go against our supported candidate.

pogo...
Just using a sample may be fine and will show if the votes fall within the MOE, however a state wide recount could show a different outcome if combined then the MOE would still be within the MOE but reversed.

I hope Dennis can come up with the money and put this issue to rest. It may come down that at the end of the November Elections we may have to have statewide recounts of all paper ballots to verify the election results are correct if they are close or within the MOE shown.

As far as the Ron Paul votes, these were out and out false results turned in and that is voter fraud. If Paul has the money he should also demand a recount and verify the results. This could change the position in which he ended up in the results.

God Bless.

PS: And yes Tweety is an azzhole as he always speaks over in guests when they disagree with him and never lets them answer his questions without injecting his opinions before they even start to give him an answer.

well, the recount is a privately requested thing- privately paid for, and volunteers (of which there are many willing) will do it-

BTW...
Barbara Walters could beat the crap out of Tweety with one arm tied behind her back.

God Bless.

Didnt ya love it when Rachel Maddow suggested that the reason Hillary won was because of all the negative blogging about Tweety.. cracked me up..

hey if people want to participate that's great and ap is right...people need to feel there is integrity in voting

but people are dreaming if they think the recount will put the fraud claims to rest

if there are illegal voters claims a recount doesn't adddress that

kgc...
And I love you too.

God Bless.

I don't think it will prove anything absolutely that people do not want to believe- but I say, why not? It should be interesting in any case-

ok then do we send the money to skinny dennis or someplace in NH?

Yeah. What was that all about? I think Ron Paul deserves his day in the sun. If you do not agree with him in the public forum, you can politely disagree with him. It seems to me we are becoming less and less polite as a nation.

I do not agree with him as a canidate I would vote for, but he is very passionate about what he believes and I think he is funny at times, but not in a I-am-laughing-at you-in-a-mocking-way tone; rather he is just naturally funny. His supporters are all over and they call into C-Span all the time. Let him speak without being derided.

ap
this is for you. I was going to post it yesterday but you weren't feeling well and you might not have thought it was so funny. It is meant to be a joke.

http://blip.tv/file/520347

kgc...
I don't know. I do know that they said on tv it would cost $67,000 for the recount and that figure was from the person in NH who oversees the elections.

I don't recall either how much the independent, after the election results were certificated here in Florida on the Gore outcome costs, however it was very expensive IIRC and that was paid for privately as well.

God Bless.
PS: Are we coming close to asking for International Poll Watchers as many countries have to verify the elections taking place are honest. This is done where they want Democracy and don't have it. Have we reached that point yet? Who knows.

MSGOP is blathering about Obama endorsements with nary a word about Clinton's endorsements.

Lots of new polls by state that were done within the last few days.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

I would definetely give Paul a look if he were on a third party ticket, depending on who the Democratic nominee is.

-Hipster

kgc...
Well since I like to collect items that maybe of value someday I better start saving to get these rare coins. I may need them to help me with a retirement fund.

After all they have already stolen all the Social Security Money from the Trust Fund.

And so there are no bias in this comment let me state so the are no misunderstandings, both parties are responsible for the theft of our retirement income.

Neither party is blameless and they are both equally guilty.

God Bless.

kathy, another law'er in our midst? I was getting a little lonely. Welcome aboard. btw, I agree that a recount would be interesting - probably little else, but interesting nonetheless.

dnd, I am aware that Diebold touchscreen e-voting machines and opscan are 2 different machine types and issues, that NH uses opscan, and that the opscan software is subject to hacking. A-P's concerns are longstanding and I thought I'd address both in my comments since hacking into the software of both types of machines is an issue common to both, although the NH results only impact concerns about fraud based on opscan hacking.

jamie, thanks for the RCP poll link - seems they have the most up to date polling data - at least for SC. NV & MI data are stale, which is what I see at all the sites that gather the poll results..

Pogo,

I keep Real Clear and Pollster on hand to see who lists any new polls first.

http://www.pollster.com/08presidentialprimary.php

Polling Report is more general but still a good site for states, congress, and Presidential approval

http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm

I don't think this bodes well for Rudi, does it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080111/giuliani-money/

jamie, those are the ones I keep handy, too. I think I got them all from you. :-)

nannymm,

Nice to see another upstate New Yorker dropping in, and a voice of reason it seems. I agree that Hillary has been a very good senator for our state, and that Mr. Matthews is talking through his hat with his story of Hillary getting elected because of Bill's infidelity.

She campaigned in every county and in my very Republican county she was well-received at personal appearances and at the polls.

Rick Lazio's rudeness and immaturity did a lot more to elect Hillary than Bill's escapades.

kgc,

Glad you posted the BlipTV link. Looks like a Daily Show writer making good use of his or her time.

Ed..and nanny..how far 'upstate' are you? and are u in the eastern or western part of the state?.. We had a summer home in the Northeast Kingdom (on the Vermont side) and I did get to see Hillary when she campaigned way up north. She was great. Still is. Hold on to your hats, folks. She's going to win.

Unfortunately, there is a great deal of distortion about things that have been said, and it is the distortions that are creeping into the mainstream dialogue. Two examples: Bill Clinton's saying that Obama's claiming his voting record on funding the war was drastically different from Hillary's was a fairly tale. Now, this morning, I've twice heard (once on public radio) that Bill Clinton said "Obama's dream is a fairy tale." The caller on NPR was a furious African American who now believes Clinton is a racist. Not one of the commentators explained the context of the term fairy tale.

Second example: After being questioned about her not believing dreams can change the world, Hillary said that two dreamers, MLK and JFK, believed in civil rights, but the hard nosed president LBJ pushed through the legislation. That's been talked about for decades....that it took the back room maneuvering of LBJ to get that done. OLD NEWS. But today I've heard it explained that Hillary said MLK may have had the dream but LBJ got the job done. BIG DIFFERENCE. Again, the commentators on PPR seemed to not understand that difference.

Language and framing. Distortons of every word said will now be used and it makes me sick.

(By the way, dnd, I had a long talk with Ms. Schroeder this morning. Interesting.)

Kathy....
do you know if the recount will be done at the state level or will each city and town be conducting their own recounts?

if at the state level..... all ballots..... which are in the possession of town clerks after an election, must be delivered to the Secretary of State's office....

if at a local level..... town clerks, selectmen, and mayors are the official recounters..... they can ask for volunteers..... but I doubt very much that they would allow ordinary citizens to do it.... I've done it many times.... but then, I was an election official.....

however..... the RSAs clearly state that anyone is allowed to observe an election and/or a recount....

FYI,
Senor Horsedooty will be off line upgrading this computer box today. See ya in the new year.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Patsi....
did you hear the Diane Rehm Show this morning?...
I'm disappointed too...... David Corn repeated the bit about fraud perhaps happening in NH because of Diebold voting machines....
then a caller said something about Obama wanting to bomb Pakistan and an emailer had to correct her and said he/she was shocked that with 3 national journalists on her show, not a one of them corrected that caller....

if you can't get correct information out of NPR.... where the hell can one go?.....

NPR - Nice polite republicans

Patsi,
"(By the way, dnd, I had a long talk with Ms. Schroeder this morning. Interesting.)"

Can I assume you're referring to Congresswoman Pat Schroeder? Love that woman. I didn't always agree with her, but that gal had something few in congress have: a spine. When she coined the term "Teflon president," referring to Reagan I knew she was OK in my book.

hahaaa KGC!

thanks for the welcome everyone.
I'm on the northeastern edge of the state, about 15m from canada to the north and 50m from vermont to the east.
i too got the oppotunity to see her when she campaigned here. it was amazing to see hillary haters turn into hillary supporters on the spot. rick lazzio didn't have a chance. everytime he opened his mouth he lost more votes. but ultimately it was hillary herself who won us over, i think you're right, tylenol. she's going to win. but no matter who the dem nominee is he or she will have my vote. hell, i'd vote for mickey mouse before i'd vote for any of those repubs.

dnd -- yes....that Pat. In relation to Hillary's getting back to some hard work, I reminded Pat of a quote she'd given me for a book a couple of years ago:

Pat: "When people are knocked off course it seems there are two kinds of folks. While there are obviously the hand wringers, others roll up their sleeves and plow ahead. We should all aspire to be one of the rollers & plowers! That's the only way one ever gets out of a hole!"

All of you are hitting on something that has been disturbing me for quite awhile. Perhaps Craig could weigh in on this.

Frequently we hearing something said live and then the report of what was said seems to either purposefully distort what was said or totally misses the point of what was said.

Most of the commenters on here give the impression of being well educated and whatever their leanings, fair in their presentation. If we can figure out what someone says, why can't the media, and why do they let partisans continue to distort the information?

patsi, i'm afraid all these distortions might be creating a clinton vs obama, sexist vs racist situation, it's begining to worry me. if an intra party fued is brewing. it will be disastrous for dems and our chances of winning. what do you guys think?

I wouldn't even consider putting up the link to this online poll but, considering the source, some of the verbage amused me.

"In this webcast, Dick Morris reveals the shocking truth about Hillary and whether she will beat Obama. Dick Morris will also reveal who the GOP nominee will be and much, much more."

rr - Yankees spring training tickets on sale now! Just thought you'd like to know. :)

nanny - Only if the media spins it that way. It should be experience vs the unknown.

I dodn't read the article but this may be the headline of all time

Bush: I would run as 'change' agent

ran - Interesting. Change is a nice platitude; specifics of the direction and the plan to go there are nicer.

nanny!! my summer home was in Alburg :)

BTW.. i just linked to the "sweet jesus I hate chris matthews" ... i'm still laughing..

as long as the Reps keep trying to resurrect Reagan and talking about the war... i'd say its a good bet that independents would lean "our" way..

I think a strong 3rd party candidate would hurt Reps much more than Dems.. for instance.. Bloomberg.. I think he'd syphon off more traditional Reps than anything else.. like the year Ross Perrot was in the race...

hehehe ed.. been wondering about that for a long time.. manhattanites think upstate is anywhere where they can buy half an acre.. I rode the train from Montreal down to Penn Station last year.. was the best trip i've had in a long time.. I sat, read, ate, had a little wine, watched the mountains go by, and then met my best friend in New York..

Obama to Edwards
Get Off My Nomination

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/john-edwards-is-a-loser_b_81045.html

I, too, believe that there wil be unity behind the dem nominee, be it Clinton, Edwards or Obama. I am not concerned about the rancor between the Clinton and Obama camps at this point, as long as they are not providing fodder for the repugs to use in Nov. - a certain amount of that is to be expected between opponents for the nomination - if the nomination appears to be with oneor the other of them, I expect to see things settle down after SDT. If not, all bets are off.

ty, try as they might to get him to do so, Reagan isn't going to rise again, and none of the current crop does a credible impression of him.

exactly, pogo... I was really impressed with all the dems' speeches on NH night.. they paid honour to one another.. No one's bitten off anyone's head yet.. no matter how much MSM wanted to say that Bill stepped over some line... and Donna Brazil should be ashamed of herself!

omg, tylenol. i know alburg well. i drive thru there everytime i go to burlington. you mentioned montreal. is that where you are now? i'm in malone, about 90 min from montreal. it's a small world.

ed, i know albany well too. go there to shop coz all we have here is a walmart. you're right bout peeps from nyc. i was born and raised there. anything north of the bronx is upstate. lol

EdVB,

You are not upstate until you've gone past the Roscoe Diner on Rt. 17.
http://www.roadfood.com/Reviews/Photo.aspx?RefID=439&PhotoID=1035

Although I live in NH now, I was born & raised in upstate, NY. Little town called Oxford, half way between Utica & Binghamton on Rt. 12

Hillary has quite a bit of genuine support & respect up in that area which has been traditionally Republican. Although most of the republicans were not of the rabid dog type. They owned and ran small businesses and drank martini's on the weekends.

"Although most of the republicans were not of the rabid dog type. They owned and ran small businesses and drank martini's on the weekends. "

my kind of Republican not those whack jobs we have out here.

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Malone???

I used to drive through there on my way to Plattsburg from Potsdam. Then through Dannamora: prison on one side of the road, guards houses on the other.

http://www.city-data.com/picfilesc/picc27696.php

hey bowman, this world is getting smaller by the minute! my hubby and i both have undergrad degrees from SUNY potsdam. my daughter too.