Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

:)

Senator Kennedy needs to say...

"I got ya back, Ba-rack!!"

LOL

I don't know if Kennedy's endorsement will have much impact in FL. But it could turn California (except for KGC) around. They loved Teddy in 1980 and the Hispanics there love him too. That's the state to watch...

GO TEDDY!

Stands up and Claps!!!!

MSNBC is truly fair and balanced. CC on KO followed by Stephanie Miller on Dan Abrams.

You know Fry,

All you have to do is listen to Caroline and her uncle. This is what Barack Obama means in Change.

Fresh Generational Change.

But if you want me to parse, I can.

ooooo! Stephanie and Dan together again? .....this is a can't miss! lol

The latino's in California for the most part have already chosen sides and are not likely to be influenced by Ted Kennedy. The Farm Workers have already endorsed Clinton and in particular Delores Huerta.
The mayor of LA endorsed Clinton,

A very radical latino group has endorsed obama but they are not expected to have much of an impact.

1980 was a long time ago and people here have
moved on.

Obama is trying to use his position on driver's licenses to make inroads in the community but it seems to be backfiring because people know it is a pander.

also Obama did not do well with latinos in Nevada

cue....

"I Got 99 Problems, But A B*tch Ain't One"

ha, the ole buzzard almost said oSama again

He may have almost said it, but we will forgive him and choose to honor everything else he said.

I was point by point quite good and very proffesional

I have boycotted MSNBC both on cable and TiVo, but will break my own rules and tune in to see Craig. Craig is accumulating a fan club, especially among Democratic women. ;-)

KGC,
"1980 was a long time ago and people here have
moved on."

Perhaps, but clearly Craig still holds a grudge.

My prediction: Carter and Kennedy kiss and make up, like Dino and Jerry, endorses Obama, and the party's over.

practical politics question: has Ted Kennedy ever endorsed anyone who became president? The scorecard is not pretty, folks.

MP,

It will be well worth it for you. KO actually allows his guests to speak, without interruption.

Just lost another somewhat long post, which of course had some brilliant ideas. For now, I'll just re-post this response to HD from the last thread:

Dooty,

I agree that 23% probably wouldn't be enough. I'd like to say Huckabee's tax proposal is a fairy tale, but I believe that term is now officially a racial slur. I think it's just something he dreamed up (oops, probably can't say that either) so he'd get people talking about his ideas. Similar to Steve Forbes' 10% Flat Tax, we can put it on a bridge to nowhere.

I had a great answer for Cheryl about the Republican's chances of winning in '08, but I have to get back to work.

Short version:

Cheryl,

It can happen. Rather than arguing with Gordo or anyone else, who suggests the possibility, we need to work to see that it doesn't.

practical politics question: has Bill Clinton ever endorsed anyone who became president? The scorecard is not pretty, folks.

Sorry Craig. Couldn't resist. ;-)

Craig,

Didn't Ted endorse you to be President of the CQ Wine Club? lol

Oh, no he didn't.....

Did Obama just inject race into his speech???????

I hear angels singing...

I hear angels singing...

oops...sorry for the double post

Amazing and Ironic link between Obama and the efforts of Teddy Kenndy to raise people up.....

It's frightening to think that Ann Coulter has endorsed more candidates who became president than Bill huh?

all i 've known and seen is that when democrats drool the republicans salivate

Well, I'm off. Not into reading posts hear that will just slam. ;0)

Good Day Folks.

Happy Politics!

That was quite a speech....I usually only hear angels singing, when Chuck Todd is speaking!! ;)

Clinton/Obama '08!!

Craig,

Is your last statement directed towards the Dems and Reps views on elections, food or pornography?

how many prez candidates has clinton endorsed compared to Kennedy?

Sorry I haven't read all the comments yet, but That's the way you do an endorsement!!!!! and I'm no fan of Senator Kennedy.

Okay gotta go pick up the kids from school.

Bear,
"Is your last statement directed towards the Dems and Reps views on elections, food or pornography?"

Thanks. Now I've got to clean up all the coffee I spit on the keyboard. LOL!

kennedy has just ripped a giant hole in the party. he should have remained neutral until the general, i think.

It is no accident ... is clearly aimed

So... baseless speculation it is, then?

Obama's FLA ads were part of a national buy. He didn't do squat in Florida; Clinton's the one who started talking it up out of the blue in the past couple days.

Well ok, first of all Teddy Kennedy also praised Hillary and John (Edwards) and said he would support the nominee whoever it is. If Hillary wasn't running, I would be solidly behind Obama at this point. But she is running and I believe this is the year of the woman. Obama is good yes, but he is still part of the boy's network, and it's time to show that America can and will elect a leader from the most disenfranchised block of citizens in the country: Women, women who actually make up more than 50% of the USA's population. It's been over 200 years; let's get on with it.

Fry mentioned the fighting among the Democrats. The problem we have here is that two constituencies, which have been shut out of the highest office in the land, finally see the real possibility that they can break through. So the tensions are there. Once there is a nominee I think "losing" side will support she/him.

Thomas

dnd

better to spit, rather than have it come out your nose...LOL ;)

so when obama was in Fla in Sept what was he doing
campaigning for Mitt?

The nonstop media attack on the Clintons did not elicit even one peep of protest from Senator Obama. That tells me he is a coward with abysmal ethics.

Of course I no longer need to ever vote again. The media canonized him, the Kennedys crowned him., and We have heard the innaugural speech.

From now on every four years the MSNBC can just tell us who is moving in to 1600.

Eat your Wheaties, Craig. Bitch-slap any of those Obamaist Kool-Aid-drinking Clinton-hating thugs, too!

Seriously...I like TK, but c'mon...These endorsements, received by anyone typically don't have any impact.

I do find it ironic however, that the news is all abuzz about a career Senator endorsing a campaign that is based upon some nebulous platform of change.

If Kennedy's name was Smith or Jones or Levin for that matter, it would be a mere blip in the news cycle. Cheers!!

dnd
Bill Clinton hung in with Jimmy Carter
Kennedy cost him the election

jamie, the frightening thing is, you may be right. the media is playing us all for fools.

Obama's not green enought for Gore
Edwards and Clinton have much better renewable energy packages. It would be tough for Gore to justify an Obama endorsement.

Elvis

Obama could have done a national buy without Florida just the way Clinton did, but he went on the cheap with a national buy that didn't indicate states where it would run. In other words another example of his superior ethics and veracity.

Teddy is about "raising people up?" He didn't do such a good job for Mary Jo Kopekne. Seriously, that incident bothers me.

Has Ted endorsed anyone who became president?
JFK & LBJ.

Ted won't matter much to young voters, but many of the northeast & midwest retirees in FL love him. They are not afraid to call themselves "liberals."

Cuban Americans in FL are mostly Republicans. They did the break-in at Watergate and according to Oliver Stone, they had a hand in the JFK assassination.

They're probably voting for the mad bomber, Rudy.

You can't really be serious about considering Oliver Stone a reliable source on the assassination of JFK?

Ted Kennedy has been a voice for liberals and progressives in the party. I don't think he will have much impact.

He is what he is and a lot of people give him some credit for the Kerry in Iowa. But this is the night before the election. I rather doubt most Florida voters will even know about the endorsement before it they vote
the ones who haven't already voted.

Maybe Obama can have a Ted and Oprah tour

KGC,
"Obama's not green enought for Gore"

Plus the Gore's and the Clinton's love each other so much...

dnd

I thought the natural fit for Gore was Edwards but it didn't happen and now I think it is too late.

About to go for Home Depot.

But before I do.

First of all, I was wondering when someone was going to slam a fellow Democrat with the Chapaquidick.....LOL

Second, Then I was thinking someone in this group is going to say, they may never vote again.....CHECK! LOL

Third, parsing whether or not he can hold the numbers of LIBERALS and Hispanics in certain parts of the country.......CHECK CHECK!!

As Fry would say, totally readable you guys are today.

Whats the difference between you and the rest of us who are not Clinton all the way? We are still being gracious about Clinton and we are being realistic in our asessments of ALL the candidates.

I for one will keep on kepping Senator Clinton in my high estimation and in my prayers.

Now OFF TO HOME DEPOT> ;0)

KGC,
"I thought the natural fit for Gore was Edwards but it didn't happen and now I think it is too late."

Yeah, I think you're probably right.

Oh and.....Gore is now a Statesman of the World. Bigger than endorsements for President.

He will not endorse any candidate, I'm betting on that,

Global Warming is more important....really.

and cuz Gore's endorsement of Dean was soooo successful :)

Had an off-blog conversation with Zoey yesterday. One of the best conspiracy-theorists I've ever met, she wondered aloud if the Kennedy endorsement was aimed at getting Edwards out of the race before the 2/5 national primary.

The endorsement isn't going to have much if any effect on people who are considering Clinton, but it might have a big effect on those people who are considering the choice between Obama and Edwards...

You have to admit it's an interesting proposition....

I raised that issue in the previous thread mostly as it related to the unions now supporting Edwards

They want to be released but he isn't letting them off the hook.

Although it isn't clear to me that they would go to obama anyway

quoting Andrea Mitchell, mrs Alan Greenspan or Andi as she was known in her early days

lololololololololololololo
and the only candidate who has failed to talk about a unified Democratic party is Obama
'

another hucksterbee hypocrisy. I thought he was supposed to be the healthy eater now

January 28, 2008
Huckabee challenges Romney over fried chicken
Posted: 09:01 AM ET

Romney stopped in at a KFC over the weekend.
PENSACOLA, Florida (CNN) – Mitt Romney's failure to eat fried chicken with the skin on is nothing short of blasphemy here in the South, according to GOP rival Mike Huckabee.

Romney, of Massachusetts, dug into a piece fried chicken at KFC while campaigning in Lutz, Florida on Saturday, but not before peeling off what most would consider the best part — the crispy skin.

Admittedly, KFC's chicken doesn't exactly stack up against the delectable kind that comes out of deep fryers in kitchens around the South, and Romney said he was looking for the healthiest option available to him for lunch.

Huckabee, looking ahead to a flotilla of southern states up for grabs on Super Tuesday, was told about the move by a reporter here in the Florida panhandle.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/28/huckabee-challenges-romney-over-fried-chicken/

Sheila, given what I consider our long and mutually respectful correspondence on this blog and knowing that you do indeed love Dems of all stripes, I'm sure you are gracious about Clinton, are being realistic about all the candidates, and do keep Sen. Clinton in your high estimation. However, I don't think we have to look far though to find Dems on this blog who do not do that, and before anyone jumps me, I don't claim to be so detached myself.

The early afternoon Intrade Presidential Futures update...

At this time, Clinton has about a 92% chance of winning Florida. With the exception of a couple days of speculation buying around 1/8/08, Obama's support has remained about 8-9 times less than Clinton for at least the last 60 days. It has been drifting steadily downward over the last week.

The support between McCain and Romney is still rather volatile. Even though McCain has shown some strength in the last 18 hours, Romney's financial support also increased.

At this time, McCain and Romney are within each other's margin-of-error in this futures market. Therefore, the race is too close to call.

More as events warrant...

I don't think Kennedy will change hard core Hillary supporters. I agree with those who thnk FL matters, it will be inpoertant at the convention and in general. Why is Obama araid to let delegates count?

I am with Clinton to end, I think RFK's cjldren Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, RFK, Jr and Kerry Kennedy alog with Anthony K Shriver will help with migrants and poor people more than Ted.

EuroTom,

Whether you like Oliver Stone or not, when you go to Dealey Plaza and survey the motorcade route, you recognize that Oliver Stone's theory is much more in tune with the laws of physics than the Warren Commision.

I attended a lecture about the assassination and one thing that always disturbed me were pictures of LBJ being protected in his limo, by swarming secret service, just before JFK was hit for the first time...

LOL Craig !!!!!

I don't have a problem with Obama running. I do have a problem with the disdain he projects about the Clintons.

How ironic, looks to me that the Dems are going to be in the FL courts this summer on an presidential election matter. I hope not!

I agree with Eurotom.

Beschlos just said TK endosement is more significant
than most. Makes my hear sad.

KGC,

Why would Obama have to talk about a unified party when you have the former president basically calling him Jesse Jackson.

I love Bill Clinton but he pissed me off because he is saying with his actions that short of burning a cross on the Obama's lawn, he can piss off blacks knowing that they would never vote for a Republican. While it's ok for a running mate to make that argument, it shouldn't be coming from the titular head of the party or a former president.

Bill Clinton should shut up with his Jesse Jackson references because someone with a long memory will think back to Jesse Jackson giving Bill Clinton some post Monica "counseling". This was short lived because the good Reverend was soon revealed to have had his own affair, complete with child. Thrown in no apology to the Duke lacrosse players and he may end up like Gilligan, on a raft, trying to paddle away from that mine in the lagoon...

Hillary will win nomination, question is will Obama be running mate in a situation similar to Kennedy-Johnson ticket. Also if Obama is elected pres who will be his Bobby?

The only problem I've had with Obama is that he never addressed the media speculating that Clinton won NH because of some hidden racism....

IMO.... he should have said immediately that he did not think the good people of NH were racists...... and the fact that he never said that speaks volumes......

but if he is the Democratic nominee.... I will whole heartedly support him...

ooops..... did I just break my pledge to not saying anything negative about a Democratic candidate...... oh well.....

Craig,

Do you think Resko arrest will hurt Obama. He did buy a lot from him at reduced price. His disclaimers "credulity" in Chicago papers. Problem for St Obama?

Why in the world would a comment about Jesse Jackson be insulting to Barack Obama. Obama respects Jesse Jackson, President Clinton respects Jesse Jackson, and even though I am a nobody, I respect Jesse Jackson too... I was an alternate delegate for Jesse at the Washington State Democratic Party. If anything, President Clinton was only commenting that South Carolina is and has been hospitable to African-American candidates. He wasn't dissing anyone.

There is no need for a lawsuit rezdogobama unless someone is planning on challenging the Florida State Democratic Party and its voters

All the information you need is on their website

Factless and fectless drivel

This damn place is becoming addicting to me. I am neglecting my MySpace. grrrrrr... anyway, I need to go get cleaned up for bed. Tomorrow morning comes very early... It's the main weekly magazines day and I need at least 30-45 minutes to sort everything and place them.

All this Teddy Kennedy beatification reminded me of what happened the night he took some of the Kennedy boys out on the town.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/celebrity/william_k_smith/documents.html

Bear
I think I see where you are going I think the lesson for Clinton is shut up shut up shut up you cannot win this fight,

Are you enjoying the Plunger's plunge. it is one of the best parts of the campaign season to me. I wish I had a collage of every time Tweety said the Plunger would win because terra trumps values and everything else.
He was wrong.

Bear, the speculation about your demise was wrong I'm happy to see. I for one did not take Bill's comments about Jesse as a slam at Jesse or Obama - and I daresay that notwithstanding any appearances to the contrary, Bill Clinton and Jesse Jackson share a mutual respect and affection. Rather, I took it as a comment reflecting a political reality - winning SC, whether you're black or not, doesn't ensure a victory at the national party level. I rather took it as acknowledging Jesse as having been a credible candidate who couldn't convert an SC victory into a larger one. I saw Jesse speak at the Univ. of AL back in the early 80s- probably about '83 (would that be the right dateframe for the Rainbow coalition?) and thought he was the most inspiring politician I had ever heard - extending a hand of friendship and acceptance to all. He got a wonderful reception there, and And I really didn't hear much in the way of negative stuff being said about him in the days following his speech there. Considering that AL is, ummm, somewhat less hospitable to candidates of color than SC, that is saying a lot. Of course that didn't get him the nomination either, but times and prejudices have certainly changed, but SC as a national bellweather has not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8akaUMV6u0A

KGC,

With regards to Bill, it's not so much that I want him to shut the F up, it's that the more he speaks in such "inpolitic" ways, it takes some of the shine off the star. It would be similar to news that my favorite athlete was a roid head...

With regards to the Plunger, I haven't been this happy since the Pats won the Super Bowl in '02 or the Sox won in 04.

The only thing that would make it better would be to have a monkey throwing handfuls of poop at all the MSM who annointed the plunger as our next president.

Craig...I'll mail you a rain slicker...lol

I love how Craig makes Florida some make or break place for either: Obama's SC momentum or now the Kennedy effect. How about the place doesn't count, but I'll bet that the Clintons will whine about counting and seating the delegates at the convention.

You know, I'm starting to finally, after all these years, see the character flaws in the Clintons that the Republicans used to rail against. And that's scary.

Next prediction from Craig: If Obama wins more delegates than Clinton on February 5th, then it's clear that voters can't spell, because they would have never picked Obama over Clinton.

I said it once and I'll say it again. Bill Clinton messed this up for Hillary. Now, somewhat enthusiastic Obama supporters are HYPER enthusiastic supporters. Just took a couple of cabs in Chicago and all of the drivers said they were voting for Obama because they were pissed at Clinton. So I say to Bill: Keep doing the voodoo that you like to do. It drives Obama to victory.

Craig said: "OK then, we're agreed -- the most beautiful Democrat will win Florida tomorrow"

YAHOO! YOU READ IT HERE FIRST! CRAIG PREDICTS AN EDWARDS WIN IN FLORIDA!!!

For those who think we are past the days of racism, think again.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-St-Cloud-Swastikas.html

And this is Minnesota, not Mississippi.

harborwoman,

I see you are hanging in there till the end?

Sure.. ya'll just go ahead and have a party while i'm stuck here workin, sweatin.. :(

Is it just me not paying attention or has Craig's membership rolls doubled since NH? So many new niks.

Reminder: This is the political comments page for MSNBC

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/board.aspx?BoardID=780

There are boards of the specific shows as well.

"love how Craig makes Florida some make or break place for either." -- Posted by: alpha1906

Alpha, i am writing about and looking for the significance of each state as they come -- and Florida is tomorrow. I'm not going to pretend that two million D and R voters don't matter, especially when natl leaders in both parties (including DNC's Howard Dean) acknoweldge that the state's delegations will eventually be seated and counted because the party nominees will not have the guts to uphold the denial of convention voting rights to Michigan or Florida.

FD

More than doubled, but the hit and run folks seem to have gotten it out of their system, but a few newbies are sticking so far

EuroTom
Matt-Man
Nannymm

Anyone else I missed?

pogo,

Why would you ever think that? I mean Bill Clinton was a gnat's hair away from being labeled a racist for his works in SC. Bill Clinton, the First American Black President. Wasn't that Toni Morris who titled him with that phrase? Now isn't she backing Obama?

alpha it's comments like that that just piss me off to no end.... sorry.

Fry..that would be Toni Morrison.. and she's free to support whomever she wants..

Yes well I think my participation in this webblog thing is detrimental to my internet usage. I just got a warning that I am up to 90% of my maximum monthly capacity of usage!! So now I will probably lose high speed connection and get crap connection for the rest of the month. of course it's only a few days.

Anyway I need to shower and shave, and sleep
bye bye bye

Fry...

Edwards is still the only one I hear saying what I think needs saying...and, more important, DOING. Also, our other two front-runners have taken a number of cues from him. So, yes...I'm sticking with Edwards to the end...will caucus for him in WA on Feb. 9....

oh and harborwoman... LOL LOL LOL

Jamie,

It does seem like a lot of hit and run going on. Alpha, Rezdog (is that dod with a different nik?), are new. There was one on the earlier post. Long winded person but was very though provoking. Did Sheila ever get her cable back up and running?

Toni Morrison that her. Wonder what it was about Hillary she didn't care for? She sure liked Bill back then.

Harborwoman, I took the liberty to post John Edwards' farewell song on the earlier post. it was written with a tad bit of humor, but i doubt if you'll find it humorous.

*takes a bow*

Thank you, Thomas!

I have seen rezdog post under that name over on another blog I read. Sounds the same way to me.

yo soy Horsedooty!

MSNBC finally deigned to mention that all of Robert Kennedy's children have endorsed Senator Clinton

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/board.aspx?BoardID=780

Although Senators Obama and Clinton -- and, occasionally, the media -- lionize Dr. Martin Luther King, no one seems to make much mention of the fact that Martin Luther King III expressed his preference for Senator John Edwards.

Why is it that the endorsements of some icons' hangers-on matter so much?

Apparently, it is because some endorsements serve the media's agenda and some don't.

I'm sure that if Martin Luther King III had endorsed Senator Obama or Senator Clinton, it would have served the narrative, one way or the other, but because Senator Edwards received the nod, well, never mind.

Fry...

Don't take this wrong, but whenever you post about Edwards, I skip the post. Don't want to hear you spew your venom about him...sorry.

The loooooong posts have been submitted by MaxTrue. And you're tight, he's had some thought-provoking material in them.

Fry.. either way, Dems have chance to cast historic vote.. not sure it's a matter of 'not liking someone'

Fry...

That was meant to be...you're right...which are two words I rarely type together...hence, I'm sure, the typo!

'Fry...

Don't take this wrong, but whenever you post about Edwards, I skip the post. Don't want to hear you spew your venom about him...sorry........
And you're tight'
Harborwoman

I have often though Fry was drunk posting. lol

HarborW..... now that was truly funny..... LOL!

hey Craig.... I see they're going to let you back on Morning Joe tomorrow....
but one could easily construe your 6:30 am appearance after being on at midnight with Shuster the night before as a form of punishment....

yeah we'll begrudgingly let you back on...... but you must do penance.... you bad, bad, boy....... :0}

Jaime -
Don't forget me! I just don't post much during the day. Somebody has to work for a living ;-)

Fry, despite "almost" being labelled a racist, primarily by the Obama supporters and the media lapping up their comments, aside from believing that Bill Clinton is not a racist and acknowledging the factual accuracy of his comments, even the subject of Bill's comments, Jesse Jackson, said he saw nothing offensive in Bill's comments, and I feel certain that he will come out as supporting Obama if he hasn't already - the tar and feather reaction to them is coming from the Obama worshippers. And I think She's cable is up & running, but she's apparently not gotten her wireless going yet.

Alpha, ignoring the 4th largest state's results is moronic. Who in their right mind doesn't believe it means anything as far as the mood of the voters is concerned? Certainly not the pundits. Obama's supporters are working overtime to tamp down its significance, and if Clinton doesn't do as well there as expected, her supporters will be doing the same thing after the results are in. Besides Craig's assesment: "Clinton expects a wide lead in Tuesday’s balloting to give her a boost toward next week’s collection of 22 primaries and caucuses.
If Kennedy’s endorsement means anything, its first test comes tomorrow in Florida." is hardly a make or break one, and shows that both leading camps have some risk in tomorrow's voting. Point out one thing Craig said that suggests anything beyond those words.

Renee, in the past Joe has had some of hei best guests on in the 6:30 half hour, first thing out of the chutes\ (kind of copying IMus in that respect). Catches those who are up and getting ready for work. Certainly that will be the case tomorrow.

Odd isn't it. Teddy Kennedy's endorsement of Obama carries more weight with the delegates but not with the voters, but Caroline's endorsement carries more weight with the voters and not the delegates. I wonder how much of Caroline's endorsement for Obama has to do with her imagery of Camelot. All the deaths, all the scandals that the Kennedy family has gone through. What sort of impact would that have upon her, what is it that she sees, or thinks she sees in Obama. One thing for sure it isn't his record as a politician, and it has to be more than vision. Her dad had vision, but he also had a history of achievements, leadership.

That would be HIS best guests

those who don't believe Florida matters can disregard this, but just got latest stats on Democratic absentees and early voting: 437,038 Democrats have already voted (with nearly 70,000 absentee ballots yet to be returned).

That is five times the early-voting total in 2004. Republicans have been keeping pace but still waiting on their latest numbers.

"I see they're going to let you back on Morning Joe " one could easily construe your 6:30 am appearance after being on at midnight with Shuster the night before as a form of punishment." -- Posted by: RebelliousRenee

RebelliousRenee -- Ha, mebbe they're wearin me down to get sandbagged -- won't happen

I just spew about Edwards because he is a fake. You'll notice I never spew about Hillary or Obama. Well I guess that is because i like them.

Funny you mention drinking KG, I often thought you were drunk. So of the hateful thing you have written would either have to come from a drunk or a bigot. Certainly not from a educated newspaper reporter.

*looking chagrined*

Alas...when is a typo just a typo...and not a Freudian slip???

CC :"Howard Dean acknoweldges that the state's delegations will eventually be seated and counted "

NP with that. All delegates should be counted, but apportioned by what means? A straw poll, beauty contest. I don't think those on the short end of the stick will stand by without a big fight.

Well, fry, dang it...he's my fake, and I like 'im!

Craig -- "RebelliousRenee -- Ha, mebbe they're wearin me down to get sandbagged -- won't happen"

Just taking an extra shirt and sleeping on the weather guy's cot, aren't you???

And Craig says he's gonna' win tomorrow...didn't you, Craig? Beauty contest...remember!?!

Craig- given the high number of people who have already cast their FL ballots, doesn't it follow that the FL count tomorrow will not be all about the Kennedy Effect?

Doesn't mean tho that the media types will stop making it be all about that.

rezdog
It explains all on the web site of the florida dem party
what's the matter don't you know how to google to get to it
Delegate allocation is established. Oh right sore loserville -that could only be obama who couldn't be bothered to call Clinton after Nevada

It''s been forever since I've logged onto the post-Attack-The-Messenger boards. Nice to know people are still having fun thinking.

My sister and I just ignored the polite rule to not talk politics at parties and hosted a party to talk politics. It was great - almost European in it's enjoyment of sharp discussion and wine drinking. Universally people wanted a change in the tenor of political conversation in this country and wanted the pundits (sorry, Craig) to stop creating the narrative for judgment.

As so many have pointed out, voters make choices on more than race or gender. In fact, defining it that way eliminates complexity and puts Edwards out in the cold and out of the race simply because he's a white male and therefore doesn't fit the chosen story line. When are those who ask questions going to ask detailed questions about how to realize those grand ideas that make clever sound bites? (CJR has a great article on this at http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/seeing_the_light_in_south_caro.php)

Whether or not a candidate is viable shouldn't depend on charm or connection to past presidencies. I suspect the Kennedy legacy is almost meaningless to anyone under 40, so touting this as a huge blow to Clinton and Edwards simply shows how disconnected major media is, for example, to the people who came to our party, and who are looking at other models for leadership. The Kennedy legacy includes killing those who try to make dramatic change, so if you want to make change your rally cry, you've got to deal with the dangers and difficulties of making that change real.

Ah, it feels good to spout off again.

Craig -- "just got latest stats on Democratic absentees and early voting: 437,038 Democrats have already voted (with nearly 70,000 absentee ballots yet to be returned)."

That suggests the Kennedy endorsements don't mean quite as much in FL as they might appear on the surface.

This would further suggest they're aimed primarily toward the Feb. 5th states, which strengthens Zoey's "get Edwards out of the race" conspiracy theory...

Just a thought...

It''s been forever since I've logged onto the post-Attack-The-Messenger boards. Nice to know people are still having fun thinking.

My sister and I just ignored the polite rule to not talk politics at parties and hosted a party to talk politics. It was great - almost European in it's enjoyment of sharp discussion and wine drinking. Universally people wanted a change in the tenor of political conversation in this country and wanted the pundits (sorry, Craig) to stop creating the narrative for judgment.

As so many have pointed out, voters make choices on more than race or gender. In fact, defining it that way eliminates complexity and puts Edwards out in the cold and out of the race simply because he's a white male and therefore doesn't fit the chosen story line. When are those who ask questions going to ask detailed questions about how to realize those grand ideas that make clever sound bites? (CJR has a great article on this at http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/seeing_the_light_in_south_caro.php)

Whether or not a candidate is viable shouldn't depend on charm or connection to past presidencies. I suspect the Kennedy legacy is almost meaningless to anyone under 40, so touting this as a huge blow to Clinton and Edwards simply shows how disconnected major media is, for example, to the people who came to our party, and who are looking at other models for leadership. The Kennedy legacy includes killing those who try to make dramatic change, so if you want to make change your rally cry, you've got to deal with the dangers and difficulties of making that change real.

Ah, it feels good to spout off again.

The only news organization that tried to tie Clinton to Rezko is NBC. Another example of their bias and baloney. How pathetic

All the NEWBIES who plan to stay around and become OLD HANDS may want to look under "Blogroll" There is a map there with the locations and political leanings (red - Conservative, Purple - Moderate/Independent, and Blue - Liberal plus one green for an avid environmentalis),

If you have a website, your "light" will link to it when clicked. Put up a message to the mapkeeper "Ran". He will tell you the next steps.

"Craig- given the high number of people who have already cast their FL ballots, doesn't it follow that the FL count tomorrow will not be all about the Kennedy Effect?" -- Posted by: Kathy

if pattern holds, Kathy, another half million Democrats vote live tomorrow, so i am going to be probing those results for signs of Kennedy and/or SC boom, gotta believe it'll be there if all these expecations for an Obama wave are accurate. if not, it means that the Obama campaign must amplify the SC/ Kennedy effects in SupDupe states with campaigning and ads, and they haven't much time for doing that. to me, florida is like a laboratory rat used to predict the effects of chemical additves on larger organisms

Pogo,

I don't consider Bill Clinton racist, but I do find him to be a bit condescending and that can be worse than being racist.

Rez

"but apportioned by what means?" Each state divvies up its caucus or primary delegates by their formula. This is almost always by precinct, but some precincts are weighted heavier than others because population in them may vary widly and usually the parties want the countrs to represent as many people as possigle.

Craig-
The biggest stories of the season so far has been the incredibly high vote turnout and the stats that show Clinton 's percentages are higher the older the voter is, and that Obama sweeps the under 30 crowd-

it is strange to think that voters under 30 were not even ever able to vote for Bill Clinton.

Voter Turnout by Party (rough numbers)
Iowa: 220,000(D) 115,000(R)
New Hampshire: 288,000(D) 239,000(R)
Nevada: 115,800(D) 44,300(R)
South Carolina: 530,322 (D) 446,000 (R)

Total Democratic Voter Turnout: 1,154,122
Total Republican Voter Turnout: 844,300

Bear, I suspect any ex pres can be condescending - although I'm not sure other than his "how dare you" comments what he's said that would be considered condescending. And I took his "how dare you" comments as not unreasonable responses to comments he saw as patently false and unfair (rightly or wrongly).

The only news organization that tried to tie Clinton to Rezko is NBC. Another example of their bias and baloney. How pathetic

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | January 28, 2008 4:13 PM

KGC,

First of all, people in glass houses shouldn't be using an AK-47 to open their windows.

Second, the Clinton's have been accused of being hypocrites in the past. After the Abramoff thing happened, everyone was clamoring for picture of Abramoff with Rove and Bush. So the fact that there is a picture of the Clinton's with this slum lord, yet there hasn't been one of Obama and Rezko, is a valid question to ask the candidate.

Why aren't you equally outraged that the statements of Bill Clinton made lauding Ronald Reagan weren't widely covered?

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=7741

I am a Libra and I believe in keeping things BALANCED...

Craig -- "if pattern holds, Kathy, another half million Democrats vote live tomorrow, so i am going to be probing those results for signs of Kennedy and/or SC boom,"

Other than exit polling (yea, I know, I know) how do you disaggreate the results of the live voting from those ballots that were cast prior to Saturday?

Violating Spike's Rule #2 (Never assume anything), I would assume the published results will be aggregated total....

SHEILA STONE,
You know Fry,

All you have to do is listen to Caroline and her uncle. This is what Barack Obama means in Change.
Fresh Generational Change.
But if you want me to parse, I can.

Sorry Ms Stone, her uncles lies, so what he has to say isn't worth much. Caroline is a different matter, but I am not interested in her reasons why she is endorsing Obama. What I have been asking you now since Saturday, what change is Obama going to be brining, and why doesn't his supporters expand from their typical sound bite of, "he represents change' to mention at least 1 of those changes when asked by the MSM why they voted for him. Obama is carrying the youth vote. The youth vote consist of students, limit work, limited family, individuals possessing limited real life experiences. So why would I think their idea of change is the same as what Obama has in mind? I am also wanting to know, how is Obama going to implement these changes if he is elected POTUS. Who is going to benefit, who is going to end up getting screwed?

craig, i thought you gave up on polls?

pogo....
don't take my teasing of Craig seriously..... stop thinking like a lawyer, will ya... :0)

Craig.... A... OK... buddy...... go in there tomorrow morning and give 'em hell!

The early Florida voting also occurred before the SC primary.... it should prove interesting to see the results..... no matter who comes out on top....

Personally I thought the raygun thing was stupid. Bill Clinton was angry because Obama dissed him
and baloney on the rezko thing.
Even obama doesn;t deny there is a relationship
he took 40k in campaign contributions from rezko
For all nbc knows that picture was photoshopped it came from Drudge and if it was a story why has no other news organization picked it up?

Fry,

One element of change that Obama and Clinton represent...

They actually earned their admission into and degrees from an Ivy League university.

Throw Edwards into the mix and the biggest change is a president with intellectual curiosity and a clue.

Another change they would bring is that they would be an American president that would be respected on the world stage.

harborwoman ,

I never said you weren't consistent. I like consistent people, at least you know where they are coming from. It is the wafflers that bother me; I will, I won't , I am, I'm not, I'm here, I''ll be there.

Sheila,
Have to run, but will be watching for your reply.

I believe that this Kennedy endorsement with Caroline joining in is not done out of lofty.... above the fray motives. I think Kerry, Leahy, and Kennedy took a look at the situation should the Democrat (Hillary) win the presidency and it looks good for that to happen and planned their strategy. Since power is the milk of politics and these veteran Senators have not had much lately I think they have assessed that if Hillary were to win with Bill in the background their power would not be as great. With this young really vulnerable Senator they can mold him to their wishes

Bear,

That world respect will be gone within 1 year. The Britts and the Aussies have always loved America, but you know why the rest of the world loves America. When your shit is in the street who else is going to pull your chestnuts out of the fire using their blood and treasure? More time than not that country will be, America.

Spike.... I find Zoey's theory very interesting....

Kathy..... I'm sure as someone involved in politics that you are well aware that those between the ages of 18-30 is the smallest percentage of the population that bothers to show up at the polls come general election day.....
I sincerely hope they get off their butts and show up to vote come November....
especially if the Democratic candidate is Obama.....

fry..... I've had the same problem with Obama supporters..... they seem unable to elaborate beyond "I want change".... "it's time for a change"..... "he inspires me to believe in change"..... etc. etc....

fry..... I've had the same problem with Obama supporters..... they seem unable to elaborate beyond "I want change".... "it's time for a change"..... "he inspires me to believe in change"..... etc. etc....

Thank you RR. :-)

Bye have a good night, try not to kill each other.

Good Gallup article on all the horse races

http://www.gallup.com/poll/103993/Gallup-Daily-Where-Election-Stands.aspx

Sorry, Renee, being a lawyer I sometimes lapse into talking like one. :-) Actually, I knew you were just poking fun - and CC will probably suffer a little from the lack of sleep - even more than my own if I stay up to watch him tonight. But it really is a pretty good time to be on - I get to catch him between shower and out the door.

Bear, it may be legitimate to ask the queston about the Rezko picture of Bill, after all he was president when it was taken, right? But there's no evidence that Rezko ever gave Hill a dime, at least none that I'm aware of, and there have been reports in the media that he gave Obama $200,000 over the years. As I said earlier, there will be questions about his votes or non votes that may have aided Rezko, and those questions will be based on more substance than a meet/greet photo and will require a deeper answer than "I guess he was in the photo line."

Well, off to get the kid, wash the car and head to LP's basketball practice. Manana.

OK, one more hit and run. In that Gallup article, they said.

"Clinton now leads Obama by 11 percentage points in Gallup's three-day rolling average nationally; as recently as Jan. 18-20 she was ahead by 20 points."

They forgot to say that Clinton's lead over Obama was as little as 4 points as of Jan 6-7

OK, now I gotta go.

Ann Meyers....

politicians doing things totally for their own benefit.....

Kudos!..... excellent thought!

yeah..... they ALL do that.....
including both Clintons, Obama, and Edwards.....

Random question...

If I somehow did damage to my rotator cuff while sleeping in my own bed, to the point where I can't kill the pain after taking a 4th vicodin, can I sue the maker of my bed or the vicodin since it's not killing the pain?

Fry.....

You know what gets my goat? YOu and the rest are so caught up in everything else you don't pay attention to it when someone writes it.

Now, I know I have sat down and written what change myself and a couple of million others want including college kids. I hear if on the tube too.

So, When I have time, I will sit down and write it out one more time. BUT, I will not do this again on demand. I will not be micro managed and parsed by you.

If you can't dig for the rest of the info yourself. YOur just out of luck.
I will see YOU when I am finished.

Sheila-
You go girl!

can' answer the legal question, bear. but as an RN, i can tell you that 4 vicodin is is too much. if the pain is that bad you need to see a doctor and find out what is going on there.

Just to echo a noble sentiment:

Sweet Jesus I hate Chris Matthews. Made the mistake of watching intro. In the interest of what is left of my health after this day of nausea, I've switched to CNN. I have to save some energy for the Chimp In Chief.

"wow do you disaggreate the results of the live voting from those ballots that were cast prior to Saturday?" -- posted by spike

florida separates early and live votes, spike, that's how we know gore won the live vote but lost in the absentees (a phenomon we've seen in many other races)

Florida will be a beauty contest? Can I assume that means that Edwards will win Florida tomorrow?

thats." can't answer"

Which is more shocking to learn that this person is a Mormon...

1. Ricky Schroeder
2. Glen Beck...CNN
3. Gladys Knight

spike, our discussion there takes me down memory lane to 2000 -- look at these numbers (live vote vs. absentees)

Live vote (including domestic absentees):
Gore 2,911,417
Bush 2,911,215

Military Overseas (Federal Absentees):
Bush 1,575
Gore 836

Total
Bush 2,912,790
Gore 2,912,253

Finally someone at CQ that makes sense!!!!!

Will the Kennedy Endorsements Help Obama?

By Richard Whalen | January 28, 2008 7:00 AM

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/whalen/

"craig, i thought you gave up on polls?" -- Posted by: nannymm

no worries, nannymm, i am talking about actual voting returns, not opinion polls -- i love the the real polling place, the only one that counts: the ballot box

Charlie Cook just gave a stat that Obama won something like 36% of the white vote in NH , Iowa, etc, and he has to do a lot better than that- Pretty misleading statement- there were many others in the race, NH is about 97% white- Almost all of his voters were white. Same thing in Iowa it seems

yes, John R, the great Richard Whalen is linked right here on this page every day (upper left under "CQ Politics Blog Network:) -- please post links to articles instead of copy and paste, that way the author gets credit for the clicks: http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/whalen/

"Since the wound of Dallas we all suffered almost a half century ago, we have had a sorry succession of mediocrities in our highest office -- LBJ, Nixon, Jerry Ford, Clinton and Bush I and II. Only Ronald Reagan was touched by greatness and knew how to share the lift of a driving dream with the people"

yeah right only Ronald Reagan is touched by greatness? And failure to even mention President Carter.

I think we all want qualities of leadership -Obama couldn't be bothered to even put out a statement on FISA ..

character -re twists definitions to allow taking lobbyist contributions while saying technically he is not

judgement - from gay rights to understanding what it takes to get something done in government he has shown examples of very poor judgement. And the issues he has put out plans are judges less progressive than Edwards and Clinton.

Here is some more voting info on early voting in FL.

Early, absentee votes will top 1-million
More than 1-million votes will have been tallied at early voting sites and by mail by the time polls in Florida open at 7 a.m. Tuesday. Through Saturday, the Division of Elections reports, about 470,000 Republicans, 400,000 Democrats and 107,000 unaffiliated or minor party voters had cast ballots. With this kind of turnout, imagine what would have happened if the Democratic presidential candidates had paid any attention to Florida.

Elections offices reported a brisk business Monday among absentee returns, ensuring that the pre-Election Day vote would exceed the 1-million mark, or 10-percent of the total electorate. "People were lining up to turn them in," said Kathy Adams, a spokeswoman for Palm Beach County's election office.

Posted by Steve Bousquet at 4:25:44 PM on January 28, 2008 in

As I've said before, the Repubs have mastered this but I believe the Dems have figured how to do it too this year.

That is how I feel exactly

Just read your comment Craig and I'll post a link next time. Sorry

hilliary's Rezko comment will backfire. i am hearing that people are upset that she brought Rezko in picture without fully understanding that his ties to the democratic pary is extensive and that their will be other politicians especially in Illinois that dealings with Rezko will come to light. also govenor rendell dealing will Rezko will also come to light. it was a comment that will taint a number of democratic politicians and a comment that did not have to be made. now we will begin to highlight all of Billairy criminal connections and money received recently by nations who are sympatizers to terroists organizations especially osama bin laden. what goes around comes around!

Sometimes the "CQ Politics Blog Network" is at the lower right, on my page(just in case John R doesn't see it in the upper left ;) )

Craig, thanks for the correction will do it in the future

**well, not "my" page....you know what I meant ;)**

Craig, you are great! You are the voice of reason while most other pundits/journalists have jumped on the bandwagon praising Obama and bashing Hill & Bill.

If Obama cannot take a punch he should quit politics and join a bridge club. Bill or Hill have not said anything racially charged. Pointing out that Jackson won two times in a state with 50% blacks is just stating a fact.
Both Clinton and Obama should be scrutinized, but Obama is getting a pass by the media.

"Just read your comment Craig and I'll post a link next time. Sorry" -- Posted by: JennBe

wanna be clear about this, i LOVE seeing other writings flagged on here. in fact, it's a huge help to me. lots of stuff i might not have seen. but short excerpts with links are best for two reasons: 1) keeps our thread from getting clogged and 2) it's not fair to other sites and writers to copy and paste their entire works, more helpful to them if we provide the link with just a brief passage and an explanation for why we recommend it

Change would be someone other than a Kennedy representing Massachusetts. A new generation of leadership would be someone younger than Kennedy representing Massachusetts. Dare I go on before I am call to task for suggesting that it is time for the great liberal lion to step aside so we can have some fresh ideas. Then again, it really isn't my business since I live in New Hampshire.

very busy and will get busier here at C-List...one comment: I gave up on Scarbucket & Mika because of personal tastes, meaning Joe Scar is a loudmouth repugg and i think a poor choice for that time slot.

The new Imus show is OK, but they make us watch replays all the time, and the commercial and RFD-stuff cutaways sometimes make watching Imus intolerable.
They may leave, go to a 12 minute replay, then to to an 8 minute farm-seg, then return to Imus , have Chuck read the news, then cut to a long comm-set, then back to Imus. It is very hard to watch it straight-through...I have found taping it, then watching the tape is best...it only takes an hour or so that way to catch the new stuff and cut the comms.
FWIW, I am with Kathleen Kennedy, not Teddy on this one.
Her reasoning why she took-up with HRC makes sense.
All this Obama "change" and half-promises to end the war seem way too vague, as does Mrs. Schlossberg's editorial.
There's no substance there at all. Best to listen to cousin Kathleen, Caroline.

kathy -- "Charlie Cook just gave a stat that Obama won something like 36% of the white vote in NH , Iowa, etc, "

He's quoting exit polls, and is lifting at least some of the analysis you wrote from something that was quoted in one of last night's threads (Primary Scene Setters, I think).

You're right -- pretty misleading stuff using shaky data if you ask me...

Sheila....
wow..... let me defend at least my post.....
of course I can look up what Obama's positions are on his website.... I think it's much more interesting to hear from regular citizens and voters about what they think and why they've made their choice.....

I've noticed that Clinton supporters always talk about her experience of traveling the world while first lady..... or talk about her strong fight for women and children's issues.... or her fight to try to bring universal healthcare to this country...

Edwards supporters always talk about his stance on poverty and fighting for the little guy..... they talk about his fighting against insurance companies and corporations to give us all a fair shake..... and they really like his healthcare plan best of the top 3 Dem candidates....

Obama supporters seem to say the same mantra over and over again involving a different variation of saying change..... but when you ask them to elaborate they just repeat themselves....

that's not a slam..... that is my actual experience of asking various people about why they've chosen their particular Dem candidate..... in person.... not online....

nice little dig there, bowmanc. here's my question about kennedy: was he outraged at the clinton's "divisive" politics when they were doing the "scorched earth" routine against republicans like gingrich?

rumors abound that if Obama gets the nod, Edwards will be his AG.

Craig -- "our discussion there takes me down memory lane to 2000 -- look at these numbers (live vote vs. absentees)"

Completely forgot they broke out the data and another reason for me to start practicing what I preach (re: Spike's Rule #2).

Will they be releasing all the totals simultaneously, or will the absentee data come later?

Poll links: It's a tie: latest polls revealed:

http://www.slate.com/id/2175496/

not sure, spike, hoping to hack around for it on the web after the vote. haven't done this with florida results since 2000, so i hope it'll be available

Time to get out of the office...I'll catch you all later with the final Florida Intrade data on the "Crawford After Dark" thread....

An interesting Gallop poll
http://www.gallup.com/poll/103936/Public-Prefers-Tested-Leader-Inspiring-One.aspx
while your there click on some of the others.
It looks like a lot of California voters have already voted One in five Republicans.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/103984/California-Poll-Clinton-Leads-McCain-Romney-Close.aspx

In accordance with Craigs new rules on polls.
astrology forcast
It does not look good for Hillary this week with the full moon on January 20th giving power to her feminine she was at her strongest. However the moon has been waning ever since and her strength has been reduced. This will continue until Feb. 5 when the new moon occurs. At this time during a critical election Hillary's feminine power will be at it lowest , while Obama’s masculine power will be at its peak. If Hillary can hold out on the 5 then her powers will be in the ascendancy with the waxing moon.

jack

Anybody know what an Obama Cabinet would look like? Any names being thrown around? Sec of State? Sec of Defense?

bowmanc: to dredge up the old chant from Mondale days, "where's the beef?"
Ain't nobody got no traction to dump Teddy. He's recovered from his surgery and apparently has quietly given up booze...he's good for another term.
I do not agree with his jumpin' on the Obamamerry-go-round.

"catch you all later with the final Florida Intrade data on the "Crawford After Dark" thread...." -- Posted by: spike

ha, that's when Dexter, the Night Manager takes over (usually with an assist from Tiptoe the Night Owl)

Bowmanc...

Here's one person's stab at some answers...

http://alterdestiny.blogspot.com/2008/01/putting-cart-before-horse-thinking.html

Dex,

Judging from the sound of him today, I'm not sure he gave up booze. Or maybe he was all jacked up on Mountain Dew. Anyway he didn't get me switched over to Obama.

Craig -- This is the only link I could find very quickly...Doesn't break out the totals...

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

Now I'm out of here

"FWIW, I am with Kathleen Kennedy, not Teddy on this one. Her reasoning why she took-up with HRC makes sense. All this Obama "change" and half-promises to end the war seem way too vague, as does Mrs. Schlossberg's editorial. There's no substance there at all. Best to listen to cousin Kathleen, Caroline."

Dexter, Don't be frightened, but I think I love you. :-)

Obama's response re: cabinet choices...no names, but he describes what his methodology in selecting them might be...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apt6ylMZrp0

Craig -- "ha, that's when Dexter, the Night Manager takes over (usually with an assist from Tiptoe the Night Owl)"

Yea, we were up the other night burning the incense, listening to the Dead on the stereo, and wondering why the black-lit Peter Max poster kept talking to us....It was far out, man....

The headline page on CNN today was hilarious. Under the picture of Teddy and Barak cuddling was the report on Rezko. This one vision is worth a thousand words I could post concerning the "new and different" high road Obama heralded his campaign for establishing. Quite amazing. How unintouch do you have to be, or such a poor judge of character to know some political operator for 15 years, buy a property well under market price and a sliver from him while the dude's being investigated and not smell something rotten? Now I wouldn't want to slander by association, would I? Oh no, that would be the low road.

Well Teddy thinks he's gonna help Obama pull the mythical sword of Camelot out of his ass? The fairy tale continues. I'm hoping Kucinich endorses Obama as well as Imus. Then Obama can claim he has united diverse groups like he will once elected.

One Democratic buddy said, "It isn't about reality or fact checking, Obama is the great salesman selling a story the Democrats want to believe in. It isn't about reality, it's about faith. To attack Obama is attacking their faith."

By that measure why not creationsim in science class? Why not appoint officials of the "right" religion? why not develope alternative energy based on the best sounding plan regardless of the technical problems. I'm sure we can land a man on Mars if we all wish it to be. Thank goodness the Bobby clan hasn't caved. I wish someone would see if Teddy would make a good wind mill generator off Hyanis, though that might really consitute a real eye sore.

Now watch the pollsters really tick off the bigger States with their new polls of Relevation. Reality is imitating bad fiction. Rezko may also be far from over and the timing couldn't be worse for Barak. And yet believers believe and so it is with faith.

Nope,
Still ripping the old one.

I'm not gonna endorse anybody.

Craig called Tiptoe a Night Owl, which is a fair assessment.

jamie collects owls and uses owl avatars.

And I am NiteOwl on many other boards, and I-75 NiteOwl on another.

We just love owls, that's all!! I collect ceramic and stuffed owls.

I suppose you go to Hooter's a lot?

Dex, If you are the night owl, who is going to be the Coffee Drinkin' Nighthawk?

Well, I spent the day at Vanderbilt med center and had some fascinating conversations with people of both parties as well as a black politico friend. But frankly, I'm too tired to share any of it, and have to check the tv guide to find something so that I don't have to listen to George Bush. I already voted in Tennessee anyway, and I voted for the woman I feel can govern.

Are we going to watch the SOTU in unison? We could do all sorts of boos, whistles, tomato toss.

Oh Renee!

Your the last person to offend. Paleese! Fry has been digging like I'm still part time employed and he's a condicending DOLT as times.

I was chest thumping him for the most part. Now their are people in the last year who have confronted and dub at US.

I'm sorry if I haven't provided enough, but I"m not going to provide a Thesis of material, which I could, when I know there is a perfectly good website and a myiad of sources to google.

KGC has shown us that.

I'm just saying to FRY, that I will provide one more time. If he misses my input one more time, if LOLOl anyone here misses it again and says that they don't know what CHANGE Obama is going to do, then they are dolts too.

BUT Rene honey. I wasn't talking to you....but if your feeling guilty.... ;0)

Now back to taping off my bathroom for the dredded painting.

BTW. Craig. I get you. I understand. LOL You've taken a lot on the chin lately. Your a mighty brave man. Love ya!

Which oone, Patsi?

(Just kidding, obviously, but I couldn't resist....)

Since this wasn't really reported except on banners running on the bottom of your screen, you might want to read about the deaths of five more soldiers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/default.stm

....Darn it. I don't want my Last Name on there.... ;0)

Honestly. I'm getting mighty tired of wrestling with type key what I switch computers

Well....what the heck. The SS and the DIA know me too. ;0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB4oNiaH0Tw&feature=related

Music video with a message in cartoon form.

Sheila,

Tell Craig what you want it to show when you post. TomFreeman got his changed to EuroTom

"Which oone, Patsi?
(Just kidding, obviously, but I couldn't resist....)"

harbor....Barbara Jordan.....:) I remain her biggest fan....

sheila

I just post using the anonymous comment
no signing in
Just give a name and email
change your name each post if you want.

Jack

I use the anonymous as well. If you check "Remember personal info" that will show up every time you hit anonymous.

whewwwwwwwwwww...what a (was gonna say LOAD but after KGC's morning load that's not what I mean at all!) LOT to read today!!

I'd love to poke fun at Dubya during the SOTU address..anyone else?

Obama's Rezko problem spills over
When Clinton spotlighted their ties in last week's debate, what had been a local issue suddenly went national

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/761074,CST-NWS-rezko27.article

Of course it was the clintons who had Rezko arrested today. (huffington Post)

Federal agents loyal to Bill & Hillary Clinton today staged a dawn swoop to arrest Barack Obama's friend Antoin "Tony" Rezko in a blatant attempt to damage and dilute media coverage of the Kennedy-Obama endorsement.

Instigating this flagrant abuse of power by federal agents to arrest a man who Barack Obama has been close friends with for only 18 years -- and who has donated only $170,000 to Obama's campaigns -- is yet another example of the disgusting "do-anything-to-win" tactics of the shameless Clintons.

claws ready, bri

Let me give you some ground work to my theory that Spike alluded to. John Edwards positioned himself as the liberal in the Democratic race so it would follow that if Teddy was going to endorse anyone, it would be John. However, John isn't getting any traction and he and Obama share a lot of the same voters. Teddy could have stayed out of it but ego and being the wannabe king maker is the stuff he lives on. His endorsement will pull some of John's liberal supporters away and just might be the nail in the coffin. I don't see it causing any change to Clinton's support. Bad to be John Edwards today.

i'm game for that, tylenol and jamie.

Chris Matthews needs to come out and be done with it.

Liars Bingo for the State of Union

http://www.codepinkalert.org/article.php?id=697

We need to stop beating the dead carcass here. You have broken the ribs and their isn't a good meat left on the bones.

I consider myself young, even though I am 37. I am still in my risk taking stage of life and I am much more enthralled by the hope and risk that Sen. Obama would bring with him than what would come with a Clinton 2 the electric boogaloo.

If she were president, I have a decent idea of what to expect and I'm thinking...ehh. I am willing to risk more because if it pays off as I hope, I know more will come in return.

At the end of the day, any Democrat will make a better president than any Republican in the field.

Those of you drawing the comparison to W need to answer truthfully to the question of how hopeful were you when Bush was elected President? I don't anyone can sincerely say a lot...

back in a few.. going to click around the dial and see what i missed today...

I posted this earlier but if you missed it here it is again from the DCCC Online Team: We're standing by with our real-time Lie Detector. As soon as the words leave his mouth tonight, we're going to fact check the President and send a text message when he overstates his case or misstates the facts in an effort to rewrite the history of his failed policies. While we focus on a better future, we can't let him rewrite history.

http://www.therealstateoftheunion.org/page/content/joinmc/

Nice of Ted to invoke Bobby's name when all RFKs kids have endorsed Clinton.

The Obama campaign is floating the rumor he would appoint edwards ag. someone alluded to it earlier

I am going to see Bill Clinton tomorrow, got the invite this afternoon. It will be interesting to hear the tenor is of his speech. How old is he anyway? I'd be really tired if I had to say the same stuff over and over again.

I have enjoyed reading all the posts. I don't know how you all keep everyone straight with what they said and who said it.

Are there filters, tricks, or does this blog require superior skills?
-storm

h20strom

"does this blog require superior skills?"

nope

and welcome

Sheila....
I knew you weren't talking about me in that post..... but I thought I detected an exasperation about people asking about Obama and the word "change"....

as for guilt..... yeah.... I feel guilty because I ate one candy kiss with caramel today...... I really shouldn't do that..... ;0)

very interesting Zoey..... you may be on to something there.....
I'm sure Obama would love to see Edwards leave the race...... and yes... that's a sad thing for Edwards.... I think he'd make a good president....

Rachel Maddow's SOTU drinking game

Thank you for the welcome.
Does anyone ever ponder why Edwards would choose to leave his ailing wife alone while he plays political games? I mean seriously....

Maybe he has explained this and I just missed that clip.

http://www.airamerica.com/maddow/

back... wow..nothing like a cheering room fulla politicos..

h20 if i can post, you certainly can post.. I am not in any way puter-savvy

Craig,

I took a look at that Florida reporting site you were given http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

If you click on a link such as "U.S. President - Democratic" there is a chart . Above the chart is a message

UNOFFICIAL ELECTION NIGHT RETURNS
(may not include absentee or provisional ballots)

It does not say if it will be simultaneous with the counting, but we can compare to what is reported to the news channels to see if it is ahead or behind.

I

so..anything interesting on the Rep side today?

florida is a closed primary, n'est-ce-pas? that'll be the real test for McCain

How do you know who h20storm supports?

Tweety is just plain dumb
King Arthur NOT
King Richard and the crusades he is the dumbest
guy on teevee and the problem is he thinks he's not

If I had any drink, I'd play that game. :) That was a good link. Does she also make them for debates???

"Clintonites"

....Sweet Jesus, I wonder just what this "new generation of hope" hath wrought....Name calling, snark, lies, "how dare you's!", "what a bunch of racists!" "You boomers should just STFU and get out of the way!"

I'm a uniter not a divider....oops...

Nannymm

That site required your cell phone number for reports and transmissions. It could get very expensive.

meant to add. Are you absolutely sure of the source? If not it could cause even more trouble than just tonights charges.

h2

probably does it for the debates as well.

lol...great comeback, Patsi! Had to run to the library, or I'd have seen your reply and answered earlier....

18 year old voters voting in NOV were born in either 1989 or 1990.... I think the majority of them will not vote....If they were interested because, say maybe they might be "drafted" into a worthless war - then I think you get their enthusiasm.

Mine just run around looking for the cash cab.

Maybe if you offer them some "change".... :)

The source is legit. It's the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC.) As for the charges, if you have unlimited text messages on your cell plan it won't cost you extra.

Is Craig on CD tonight?

That Maddow drinking game is definite funny and hazardous to your health. We will all be dead in the first half hour:

http://www.airamerica.com/maddow/

man..this all scares me a bit... by the time november gets here everyone's going to have election fatigue and stay home.. I just dont get it i guess..i see great things about all 3 dems, and i believe in advocacy, but to suddenly decide that a candidate is racist after years of proving otherwise..or to diminish a hopeful campaign...

bowmanc: There were two famous "coffee drinkin' nighthawks".
One was Jim Lowe, who I betcha Senor Horsedooty recalls from Dallas.
Another was more famous, Lee Moore, a country DJ.
I confess...I never heard of either...just Googled it.
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corey: I was in Indianaoplis 14 years ago with a preacher and 5 guys from a church. Now the preacher was originally from Pittsburgh and had lived and worked as a painter and also a tour-bus driver in NYC, so he had been around.
I also have been around the country a couple times. The other guys were basically country bumpkins.
Well, the preacher just decided to have lunch at the Hooters there.
Poor bumpkin dudes...didn't know what to do...stare down, stare at the ceiling, actually take a lOOk...as the preacher just sat bored munching on his chicken sandwich.
it really was surreal...but no, actually, that was my only time in Hooters.
We usually end up in an Applebee's or a chain place like Don Pedro's.

KGC

Re Tweety being dumber than an amoeba at times. Given where we are in the Middle East, anyone who uses a "crusades" analogy about anything needs to have their head examined.

Hey Jamie!

We want to talk to you.

Pray for the writers strike to end.
See ya.

Dex , I have a friend whose parents went there for dinner one night because they thought Hooters had something to do with owls. You know , they have an owl on their sign. Needless to say , they had no clue.

jamie: Tweety was making a "Camelot" reference.

Nash
Tweety said The kennedy endorsement was like King Arthurs Coming home from the crusades and making Robin Hood a knight. So many problems here

An intellegent discussion of Obama, interesting and refreshing.
http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/commentary-a

The Washington Independent is a new online news magazine.

Jack

Dex & Corey,
Next time you're in Minnesota be sure to visit the Hooters at the Mall of America! Unfortunately they just have wings and other bar crud. No lutefisk.

Rezko has become an "Achilles heel" for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama after disclosures he and people associated with him had raised almost $200,000 for Obama and that Obama sought Rezko's "help and advice" in the purchase of a new home. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4204413&page=1

Craig,

Older women to Obama because of Teddy? Back up an try again. Teddy is the spoiled brat baby of the family. His sponsorship has no weight with this group except being a thrill for those who had already decided for Obama, but otherwise no movement.

OT, but a Denver land mark closes:

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=85306

I figured Shelia and Patsi would like this story.

Shoot! Yesterday I insulted the Donkeys, snakes, and worms. I thought I was safe with a single cell organism. Who knew they had a union?

Ted Kennedy is not appealing........

This might be a little exteme reaction to the Kennedy Endorsement...but I think it is an indication Kennedy isn't going to bring in older women

http://readme.readmedia.com/news/show/Senator-Ted-Kennedy-Betrays-Women-by-Not-Standing-for-Hillary-Clinton-for-President/53725

Geez...In today's political world, there is blowback from simply breathing! I long for the days when we could listen to the candidates and make up our own minds without all this INPUT!!!

Amoebas United,

That was a bit over the top, but it was like when some couples have a fight and the wife proceeds to name everything the husband has done wrong for the past 20 years.

Those ladies know he has done a lot of good things. They also remember every single bad thing he has ever done to a woman as an individual. Now they are standing there holding the rolling pin and tapping their foot watching the rumpled shape dragging in at 3:00 a.m. Not happy. Definitely not happy.

home from the ADL meeting now

Jamie
I am not 100% sure the NOW letter isn't a parody.

dnd...now you know I would not kid you...but I once was in Minneapolis in the winter because my brother's ex's family are all from St. Paul & Minneapolis. They had a winter carnival and had some activities at the local Lutheran (what else?) church .
They had a lutefisk eating contest.
I about died watching one young man eat four pounds of the stuff.
Then an older guy, thin, maybe 66 years old or so...sat down and calmly downed EIGHT POUNDS of lutefisk!!!

(lutefisk: lye-cured cod fish)

I think they would be within their rights to take those rolling pins and beat the sh*t out of him......

abstractly of coarse

Why is NY NOW so Ticked Off at Teddy? “Women have just experienced the ultimate betrayal. Senator Kennedy’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton’s opponent in the Democratic presidential primary campaign has really hit women hard. Women have forgiven Kennedy, stuck up for him, stood by him, hushed the fact that he was late in his support of Title IX, the ERA, the Family Leave and Medical Act to name a few. Women have buried their anger that his support for the compromises in No Child Left Behind and the Medicare bogus drug benefit brought us the passage of these flawed bills. We have thanked him for his ardent support of many civil rights bills, BUT women are always waiting in the wings.

“And now the greatest betrayal! We are repaid with his abandonment! He’s picked the new guy over us. He’s joined the list of progressive white men who can’t or won’t handle the prospect of a woman president who is Hillary Clinton (they will of course say they support a woman president, just not “this” one). ... .. http://www.taylormarsh.com/

now that Gordo has weighed in..guess it isn't a parody after all

KGC

Thats why I went with the semi humorous answer, but there is an element of truth in it even if a satire.

Craig made a lot of sense on KO tonight. I now "get it" regarding Craig's interpretation of Bill Clinton's Jesse Jackson reference.

I think one could legitimately interpret Clinton's comment as either legitimate political analysis OR racist code words.

This is one of those things where the interpretation is colored by your inclination toward one candidate or the other.

Hey Gordo,
Do women hate Caroline Kennedy now too?

Just checked. Followed the link back and it ended up here http://www.nownys.org/ Looks like a legit site now whether or not they were the ones to actually put out the press release I can't say without a lot more work than I want to do at present.

Dex....
OMG....... eight pounds of lye-cured cod fish!!.....

now I wanna puke up that candy kiss with caramel.....

Dex,
I always thought a lutefisk eating contest was that anyone who could take a bite and keep it down won...

Caroline Kennedy's life work is to protect and promote the Kennedy legend

She is a bright and talented woman. But has never pretended to be someone who has worked on women's rights or women's issues.

Gordo the feminist?
Feminsts won't support Clinton just because she's female. I know its hard for you to understand, but it's more complicated than that.

Tweety on KO? Incest!

dnd

Not sure if it is on this thread or the previous one, but someone new slammed Caroline and I put up a list of many of the good things she has done with her life. She was five when her father was killed, and she probably has an idealized image of him. That doesn't matter. As the next generation Caroline and Patrick going to Obama and RFK, Jr. and Katherine going to Clinton is just fine.

Teddy is a different matter. He is the senior Icon of the Party. Not my favorite person but he is a symbol for all Democrats. To take sides before the voters have even had super Tuesday just feels a little like cheating.

Hey What are we Chopped Liver

Kathleen Kennedy Townsend Supports Clinton
BALTIMORE (AP) ―
Another Kennedy is stumping for Hillary Clinton.

Former Maryland Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend participated in a conference call Wednesday morning about Clinton's plan to deal with the subprime mortgage crisis, saying the former First Lady has been in front of the issue.

Townsend says Clinton's leadership is an example of why she believes Clinton would be a strong president.

In November, Townsend's brother and environmental activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. also endorsed the New York senator's presidential bid.

Jamie,
Well said. Here's a hypothetical. Since the Clinton's were courting Teddy's endorsement, how would you feel had he endorsed Hillary?

Tweety sees Condi Rice as a good VP choice.
He's nuts.

Jamie & other Hillary supporters

Here is a prior NowNY presss release supporting Hillary with very strong language.

It would seem that the piece about Ted Kennedy's action today is a continued rallying call to arms by NOW.

I salute & envy all c-listers ability to keep the dialogue going.

http://www.nownys.org/pr_2008/pr_011108.html

Condiliar vp??????????? of what?

Exactly the same way. If you remember up until a week ago, he was refusing to endorse because he knew that his position within the party would be taken as exactly what the media did today: An Annointing

I might have been pleased if he had picked Clinton after super tuesday. Coming before it just feels horribly wrong.

I was actually thinking back to when W first ran and all the money men and daddy's buddies gathered around and practically rented the White House for him after driving everyone else out of the primary. It just felt as if a citizen who was a Republican would feel that their opinion and vote amounted to nothing.

isn't that cozy? obama and kennedy sitting side by side.

KGC

Running mate to the Republican nominee.

Why were those people applauding. Do all the Democrats have the flu?

jamie---Check press releases at NOW NY site.

What about Bobby's kids:

I forget, which one of Bobby's kids had sex with a 12-year old baby sitter, and which one paralyzed a girl from the waist down when he rolled his jeep?

nash

that's a different group of Bobby's kids

Look at those Republican morons, applauding the worst president we've ever had. And EVERYONE knows it. There are goat farmers in Albania who know it. There are dolphins who know it.

Just keep clapping. Even time you do, you lose another 50,000 independent voters.

I am disappointed in TK and Barack too! His so called campaign was going to be for Change - new and his biggest endorsement is OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TK has no guts either - He did not call Hillary instead he called Bill - Who is running here? Typical chauvinsts. I am concerned about this out right sexist behavior. Time will tell. Good article Craig - I agree with you.

OMG....
Bushy is slightly slurring his words......

he sounds just like Lou Dobbs.....

so now medical decisions are private
I am sure Michael Schiavo will be glad to hear that

And where is the outrage from the MSM about Kennedy's lack of class? His disrespect for Hillary is shameful. Yet the media is laughing about it. If Bill had done anything like that they would berate him for days on end.

Statement of NOW President Kim Gandy

January 28, 2008

The National Organization for Women has enormous respect and admiration for Sen. Edward Kennedy (D- Mass.). For decades Sen. Kennedy has been a friend of NOW, and a leader and fighter for women's civil and reproductive rights, and his record shows that.

Though the National Organization for Women Political Action Committee has proudly endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton for president, we respect Sen. Kennedy's endorsement. We continue to encourage women everywhere to express their opinions and exercise their right to vote.

I thought Lou Dobbs was having a stroke the other night? is he just drunk?

Ted Kennedy should look a little more embarassed at the failure of No Child Left Behing.

I remember Senator Kennedy splitting the Democratic Party in 1974 probably making it easier for the Republican Party to win the presidency. I saw him doing the same thing today that he did then. Mark my word

Shouldn't Cheney be giving this speech?

Tort reform is not going to bring down the cost of medical care. In the scheme of things..law suits are not the problem what an ass

This press release from NOW NY is pretty interesting as well

http://www.nownys.org/pr_2008/pr_011108.html

Does this mean he is putting back the money he cut before?

Ted Kennedy has no humility.
Cheney is on-life support in the basement of the white house.

Christ!

I don't care what anyone says....

Bush has obviously had a few drinks before giving this speech.....

If the constitution means what it says, why does he continually ignore it?????

You Billary supporters sound like a bunch of Neocons.

Who could stomach that voice of hers for four or eight years? I don’t care what she says it all sounds the same to me. I can’t get beyond that voice. It would be worse than listening to Bush. I've suffered through that for so long it seems like an eternity.

I realize, though, that THEY will both do ANYTHING and SAY ANYTHING to get elected, and if any of you who support her really cared about this country you would realize that is the case. We need to move beyond the Billary’s and the corruption and dirty politics that go with them.

There are such go-sheeples out there on the Democratic side this time that you remind me of those fundamentalist religious nuts who voted the current idiot into office.

It is time for change...real change. The Clintons want a legacy. But, like Bush, they will have their legacy but I don’t believe it will be what they expect it to be.

Go Obama!!!

Lots of new Clintonistas here. Nastsy ones, too.

Kennedy may have flaws, but he's a Democrat. The Clintons are really Republicans.

NAFTA was Bill's big achievement and it has destroyed the US manufacturing base, eliminated millions of good jobs, while profiting fascist anti-union companies like Wal-Mart. (Hillary Clinton, board member.)

Bush doesn't seem to be able to pronounce the first letter in every 5 words or so.....isn't that normal for him??? Maybe he's been drunk for the last 7 years?

That would explain the voices he heard.

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Hi guys - I missed the beginning of W's speech. Did he say that the state of the union was "Strong" or something similar? yuk yuk. (Hey, he lies about everything else.)

"I realize, though, that THEY will both do ANYTHING and SAY ANYTHING to get elected, and if any of you who support her really cared about this country you would realize that is the case"

How dare you Karolenna? Just becuase we don't agree with you doesn't mean we don't care about this country. It is precisely BECAUSE we care that we are involved and speak out.

Bill Clinton's first big-money contributor in Arkansas was Tyson chicken, a militantly anti-union sweat shop that still has low wages, no benefits, and high rates of worker injuries. These days they've replacing all their black workers with illegals.

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It is very interesting that the supporters of Obama's new politics, rely on horrendous personal attacks on the Clintons. This isconsistant with Obams's disrespectful treatment of Senator Clinton as she graciously extended her hand to Ted Kennedy at the
State of the Union. I look forward to President Hillary Clinton in 2009!

Talk about bringing people together. There is a picture being shown on MSNBC where HRC was shaking Ted Kennedy's hand, and Obama turns his back and walk away. How crass!

Just hearing Alexrod on morning Joe saying Florida is meaningless. I am so insulted. he says Clinton is violating the parties rules, forgetting that he has been advertising there for two weeks.

Good job refuting some of the hatchet jobs from Scarborough
and Co. Joe was livid that Matthews had to apologize to Hillary,so now he does everything possible to slant the truth.

Joe hates Ted Kennedy but now Ted is groovy? The media bias against the Clintons is pathetic. Our media truly sucks

MSNBC should wise up and give the show to you and
Shuster. Tucker is disgusting too. He is fond of saying, "When I see Mrs Clinton, I cross my legs" fear of castration. What an ass.Take his show

Love ya Craig

Hey Craig,

Do you think MoJo would report on this article?

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-kennedy29jan29,0,721215.story

It's a letter from the three Kennedys who endorsed HRC.

Thank you Craig for your balanced approach to the "race issue" in the campaign.
The rest of the media except Pat Buchanan are demonizing Hillary and give Obama a pass.
Obama is seemingly "untouchable" and no one has a right to criticize him, but Hill & Bill are fair game.

I know everyone else has moved on to other topics and other posts, but I just had to say something. Don’t you just wonder how raw the Clinton’s crotches are having straddled so many fences for so many years? They want both the R’s and the D’s votes and will do and/or say anything to get those votes from both. That is a reason I’m in my office on my computer white thunder thighs is thanking Florida for their votes. Now, doesn’t that just tell you something about their character? If that doesn’t, having given their word to stay out of Florida with the Democratic Party and “the agreement by all”, and now there she is…pronouncing her win. If you support someone like that you don't have any character yourself. God I hate that bitch and just a year or so ago I would have done anything to get her elected.

Bill Clinton may not have endorsed anyone that became President, but there is a first time for everything. He has not personally thought anyone else has been worth endorsing until now. He also just finished his time in Washington not like Kennedy who has been there half a century! That is real change!

Yeah, I was going to vote for Obama, but after he has been so negetive and rude towards her, I am now voting for Hillary and not Obama!

LOL!!! Gotcha! I have always supported Hillary Clinton, but I needed to sound how pathetic the flip flop Obama supporters are!

Yeah, I was going to vote for Obama, but after he has been so negative and rude towards her, I am now voting for Hillary and not Obama!

LOL!!! Gotcha! I have always supported Hillary Clinton, but I needed to sound how pathetic the flip flop Obama supporters are!

Yeah, I was going to vote for Obama, but after he has been so negative and rude towards her, I am now voting for Hillary and not Obama!

LOL!!! Gotcha! I have always supported Hillary Clinton, but I needed to sound how pathetic the flip flop Obama supporters are!

WTF? I really am not an idiot that posted my last post a million times! There is something wrong with this blog!