Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Woo Woo. I'm first.

Those of us who arise early are morally superior.

Once again Clinton demonstrates that she is the big dog. No matter how this turns out, there is no downside for her.

She takes the initiative and forces Obama to react. His position will win him no friends. It is what it looks like: voter suppression.

Could the Clinton machine be derailed by another Bimbo Eruption?

Show of hands. How many of you think that Billy has at least one girlfriend back in NY?

Come on. You KNOW how big his ego is and the risks are less now than when he was getting blow jobs from Monica in the West Wing.

Bill is a risk taker, He may have even brought Ms. X along with him on the campaign trail.

I saw the headline and thought, "Oh, God! Which one? North Korea? Iran?"

Nash, nash....so early, and you are already in Bill Clinton's pants.

"Bill would never do anything that foolish."
- Gary Hart

Patsi: Some of my best friends are just like Bill. Hell, ALL men are just like Bill, but we're just a bit more discrete. Bill is ruining it for the rest of us.

In Europe they think the USA is the biggest outlaw state.

" Hell, ALL men are just like Bill, but we're just a bit more discrete. Bill is ruining it for the rest of us. "

Nash! Thank you! I swear to God that is the first thing I've read that gave me a real clue as to why so many men were outraged by Bills behavior!

This from Huffingtonpost.com
(Peggy Noonan writing for the WSJ)

On the pundit civil wars, Rush Limbaugh declared on the radio this week, "I'm here to tell you, if either of these two guys [Mr. McCain or Mike Huckabee] get the nomination, it's going to destroy the Republican Party. It's going to change it forever, be the end of it!"

This is absurd. George W. Bush destroyed the Republican Party, by which I mean he sundered it, broke its constituent pieces apart and set them against each other. He did this on spending, the size of government, war, the ability to prosecute war, immigration and other issues.

Patsi: Now that I have broken the male code of silence, I will be killed.

Do you need protection, Nash? I do have a very close connection at Homeland Security....

Gary Hart is a Bloomberg or Obama supporter it's hard to tell from the crap he writes at Huffpo..talk about living in alternate universe.

She only did this to get the attention fo the Florida voters.
Dr.Dean is not goint to do anythiing and the agreement at least for Fla ...is the when the nominee is chosen...they will seat the delegates.

Nash - must be snowed in

Republicans destroyed the Republican Party
and all this trying to run away from Bush isn't going to work

I was around Gary Hart at a lot of Colorado political events back in the late '70s. I thought he was an arrogant prick.

Patsi.......i think Gary H. proved the validity of your surmise when he set sail on the "Monkey Business" for a 3 hour tour.

Let's have a pool
when will Bill get caught ....
when will Obama get caught smoking

Gary was a risk-taker, too.

He not only became a joke, he is now a joke that young people don't get.

I'll bet Obama and Edwards HAD girlfriends on the side, but got rid of them when they decided to run.

I think I've mentioned this before, but there were people connected to the George McGovern campaign who thought Gary was so busy building his own political base that he screwed a lot of things up.

I'm going to google "Obama mistress" and see what pops up.

damn KgC what time do you get up out on the Left Coast?

yo soy Horsedooty!

A friend f minein Texas swears that George W's mistress was paid off and hustled to a mountain lodge in Aspen in 1999. I'll say this, you gotta hand it to the Bush family....all that dirt from financial dealings to women nd they have been able to keep things pretty much quiet....or at least not an issue.

hi dooty
It's 4:40 here and raining very hard
having coffee and then going out to see if
I have to leave before we get flooded in
but I am an early riser. For many years I was
florist which involves getting up very early and going to market...and I never got over it.

I got this from a blog, so it must be true...

TPM has the full story on how Obama used taxpayer money to facilitate his adultery. According to Capital Hill accounting records, Obama used an expense account to… - pay for the 11 tryst visits to the Cayman Islands. - pay for hotel and other expenses for Senate staff aides -- in addition to the security detail -- who also went with the Senator on the tryst weekends. - Obama's mistress's NYPD-chauffeured trips (without Obama) to visit her parents in Pennsylvania, 130 miles outside DC. - Capital Hill police owned undercover Dodge to drive his mistress around the city.

Patsi: Mistresses are a Bush family tradition. George's Grandfather, Preston, always had one, as did George HW Bush.

But men from rich families know how to do this stuff discretely.

Like when JFK and RFK were both doing Marilyn Monroe.

chi-ca-go, chi-ca-go.....that toddlin' town.........

I have never heard of any girlfriend of W's but that may just be how through the bushes are. There are stories about the alleged drinking and drug use galore that we have all heard. But the whoring around is quiet. crickets.

sorry to hear that it is still raining. Leave if you have to. I was out in LA when it rained like this and roads were washed off the mountains. Houses sliding off the sides of the hills.

yo soy Horsedooty!

National Enquirer: Not only does Edwards have a mistress, but she's pregnant.
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=697471

Damn right, CC.....the media.......

injected the race issue.......so Beady-Eye goes to "Craig are you on Medication?" what a schmuck he is.....

sturg
who injected race..what were they saying...
i don't watch mscrap anymore

CC was sayiing "show me one thing BClinton said which was invoking the race issue.....and then said that the media injected race after New Hampshire"

woops.....boggled me little quote marks......

Craig:

You rocked on Morning Joe, today. The meme that "the Clinton's are injecting race" into the election is ludicrous.

After all, were voters unaware until now that Obama is black?

I hesitate to attempt to speak for CC but I think that is close to what he said.......

Yeah, I agree, Craig was the voice of reason on MoJo. And neither Joe nor Mika knew what to say. The funny thing is, when that "fairy tale" story first started, I was watching MoJo.....Joe evidently hadn't heard about it, and so they played the entire clip of Clinton's comments re the Iraq votes. Everyone from Joe to Mika to Willie looked perplexed. Joe said, "That's not anything to do with race." Everyone agreed that tagging it racist was stupid. THEN Matthews and Co started the race talk....and over a period of days, Joe and Co got the memo and joined in....

where's Oprah

Nash.....here's a blog on Noonan's comments:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

Oprah is currently helping Stedman to organize a posse to hunt down and silence Nash before he does irreparable harm with his bean spilling cat-out-of-bag revelations......

Thanks Patsi: Noonan is weasel.

Has everyone gotten a good look at Mika's cleavage? They keep the camera on it half of the time. But is she wearing the knee high boots?

I have never watched Oprah. Too much estrogen in the room.

I just cruised past mscrap and there was Mike Barnicle

a liar and thief...why would anyone listen to anything he says
if anyone is a racist...

Mika has taken to making faces at the camera from what I've seen of her lately..........And Oprah? Oprah Schmopra.......

Barnicle and Scarborough talking about feminism????? ROFL!

Good Morning... on a cool Florida AM......

Mika also seems to favor evocative sighing lately also.......

also, too, as well.....

Something about Gary Hart: I have always been suspicious of the Hart/Rice development during the 88 campaign. He was perceived as the frontrunner for the nomination. The Rice affair ended that. Was it a pick-up and then a set-up? Could have been, Donna Rice is a right-winger. Do not be too quick to laugh. The dirty tricks arm of the Repub party does that sort of thing.

Sturg,

I think your reading into it too long. Been watching Mika almost daily for since the first. She sighs all the time.

There are all types of women in the world. Mika is in the Very Femine collum. I'm sure its not only her DNA and her estrogen count. But also the examples of her mother, Grandmother, and the influence of her father.

Mika sighs like that when Joe is being impossible and she's authentically embarrassed.

So if HRC is NOW supporting and wanting Fl and Mich to count (as a big da factor when she wins Florida)
Could this back fire on her as another flip flop? Why only now does she step up to count the Floridians? Where was Hillary yesterday and last year? Ah the C in HRC some times stands for Convenient. If Obama was in the lead where would she be?
So I state the obvious to my fellow Floridians

Gordo,
Even if true, THen who held the gun to Gary Harts head to make him do what is the natural act. This Argument has little to no value, as neither did Gary Hart with the values. Was it a 3 hour or 3 sec?.... Bad Ping

ping

she just wanted Obama to say out loud Fla shouldn't count

and he did

Nash,

Those of us who arise early are morally superior."

You just live in states with a bunch of broken clocks.

Sheila.....yes, could well be true.....I dont see her very often as I simply cannot watch her beady-eyed co-host. My very feminine co-host likes her, though.........

KCG,
And HRC has been lock step wtih Obama only until now for her gain. Hey smart on her part, most voters will fall for this and not see the pandering flip flop that this move brings.
Oh my 4 days before the vote,,,,,
Another Clinton brilliant move

The DNC made a bonehead decision. We voters in Florida do want our delegates to be seated. This is a no brainer. If Sen. Obama is not interested in Florida why is he the only Democrat advertising here? The excuse he has given is lame. HRC and Edwards found ways to advertise in other places without including Florida. He's the one breaking the rules.

Ping
How's Mittens doing...we want a ground report from Mittens central
woof woof

Joe Scarborough is like the drunk uncle at a reunion who thinks he is really really funny, but in truth is making life miserable for everyone around him.

KCG,
Are you "Hounding" Me....
Mitt still strong however I am seeing a stronger grass roots from the McCain camp,
And Rudy G ... Rudy who?
Florida will be the Filter....
To take a line from one of my Fav musical groups..
And then there were 2

I believe the fellow on her right is her real life husband

yo soy Horsedooty!

Sturg,

The main reason I watch Joe is because (1) I happen to have known Scarborough in the late 90's and thought he was the black sheep of the Republican Party....I mean he really did defend the little people while the rest were collecting their pay checks. I don't agree with him 50% of the time. But then Joe doesn't agree with his party 50% of the time either.

But then, we have all known that Conservatives, Liberals, Independents, Socialists and etc, Are wired differently and don't speak the same language. Depending on the strength of your believes will show the level of tolerance you have.

Its interesting to see the differances on this blog is interesting. Its like a microcosm of society here......rabbit trail....

MIKA. She is definitely a Liberal in all senses. She is more democratic on TV. She strikes and the LIB comes out with serious issues that she feels she must defend.

I see her Father in her for sure. BUT, she is authentically of the "Feline" variety. ;0)

Pauline,
Hook, Line, and Sinker for this HRC stinker.

Edwards and Obama as I understand are correct in The economics are correct on the National Campiagn cost. You can exclude but if you bulk buy National Ads you save some money....

"Nash.....here's a blog on Noonan's comments"

I got quoted on Cafferty last night saying that using a Noonan quote calling Clinton an "attack dog" was slanted and put Cafferty in the same junkyard as Peggy.

Lee Cowan....Scrumpdiliumptios

LOLOL COmmon....YOu have to admit that Joe is sarcastically funny humorous at times. That was a great close out for a segment.

he is a load mouth

yo soy Horsedooty!

Here is a good Morning cutie...
From Craigs old employeer...

Craig - do you still communicate with any of the old timers? How about Dee D - the great artist of old?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/orl-summersflash-html,0,1627319.htmlpage

he is a load mouth

yo soy Horsedooty!

would that be as in
"what a load of crap

I love you Dooty (in a platonic way of course Mrs.D)

"Was it a pick-up and then a set-up? Could have been, Donna Rice is a right-winger. Do not be too quick to laugh. The dirty tricks arm of the Repub party does that sort of thing."

Get a grip Gordo. While I agree you can't underestimate the Repub tricksters....Gary was simply stupid and arrogant. I think a lot of powerful men, including Bill Clinton, start to think they live in a bubble.

and a loud mouth also

yo soy Horsedooty!

Horsey,

Just my point. Anything that comes out of his mouth disturbs some people on this blog, while I am disturbed 50% of the time! ;0)

I can't take IMUS, yet I understand and accept that some people here love him.

well Joe sure thinks he's funny... I guess i just dont 'get it... CC was the smartest person on there this morning.. the signing is getting to me tho.. sighing isnt political commentary.. neither is exclaiming "welll..." oh..here goes joe..pontificating again.. "I've seeeeen the south.. I know racism when i see it.."

AMEN Patsi. A man's little head is not political in nature.

KgC,

I just can't spell worth a flip. but I could be talked into meaning "what a load of crap" :) Typing is not my native language.

yo soy Horsedooty!

Barnacle gives people so much to hate.

Here's a heads up for Craig from Talk Left:

http://www.talkleft.com/

How can this clip they're playing (Clinton talking about reps doing reverse plastic surgery) possibly be racism????

Craig-

TPM has a piece related to the thread

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/064801.php

Craig Crawford. My hero!

Craig is on fire.

I vote "Load Mouth". and will henceforth cease to consider beady-eye any further......"If you cant say something good about someone, say nothing" I shall not mumble his name again......

damn........Give 'em HELL, CC.........right on.

Craig,

I would be interested to see Craig's Politoroscop!

GO CRAIG!

LOLOLOLOL

Craigs stirring it up today

looks like craig is doing the atm

yo soy Horsedooty!

Bravo Craig! Thanks for calling these guys out. A breath of
fresh air, that is obviously not appreciated.

Craig on fire...

QUICK.... Stop Drop and ROll !!!!

Thats what happens when you hang with the Clintons.

PING - The balance

Is Crawford too stupid to understand that you don't have to be a racist to gain the support of racists? I can't believe Barnicle was too stupid to point that out to this loud mouth (why can't he shut his fat face for a moment and let other people talk?)

BTW, Craig- love the blog. And you suck.

Subtle racism can fool even the person speaking it. I'd say 90% of our generation recognises it in their own toughts.

No wonder Most people don't notice it unless they are on the receiving end....That works well with Sexism too.

Ping Pong---I am not defending Hart's behavior (weakness). Just wonder what happened in 88.

siddown, ping... MSM's had it their way for far too long..

But agree Kudoo's to Craig !!!
I am glad someone came to the defense of HRC

Using a loaded word like "injecting" is how they are attacking Clinton.

Language and the way an issue is described is how you sway people.

wasnt barnicle fire from one of the Boston papers over a plagerism charge?

yo soy Horsedooty!

CORRECTION

I'd say 90% of our generation DO NOT recognise it in their own toughts.

SORRY

he sure was, doots

Craig is ROCKIN' on MoJo! Hit 'em again, Craig!

proud to be a ten percenter.

scarborough is a liar
Clyburn said Huckabee injected race in SC when he raised the flag issue

HOROSCOPES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Hillary Clinton -- (Scorpio, October 26, 1947) horoscope For January 26:

"There's no need to do additional research -- you've got all the information you need to make your plans now. In fact, looking up more facts should only confuse things, so stick with what you've got."

Barack Obama -- (Leo, August 4, 1961) horoscope For January 26:

"On most days, you're happy to take things as they come and spend what you need to spend to maintain a happy life. Today, though you're feeling thriftier and would rather have fun on the cheap."

John Edwards -- (Gemini, June 10, 1953) horoscope For January 26:

You're the best person to advise that one friend or coworker who's going through a hard time -- but they might not be ready to ask for help. You can find a way to say what they need to hear, though."

John McCain -- (Virgo, August 29, 1936) astrology report for January 26:

"Try not to go overboard, but you can't help tidying up wherever you may find yourself. You've learned by now that there's a fine line between helping out and overshadowing, so try to keep it light."

Rudy Giuliani -- (Gemini, May 28, 1944) horoscope for January 26:

"You're the best person to advise that one friend or coworker who's going through a hard time -- but they might not be ready to ask for help. You can find a way to say what they need to hear, though.."

Mitt Romney -- (Pisces, March 12, 1947) horoscope for January 26:

"You should try to let other people make their own mistakes today -- there's not so much you can do about it, anyway and warning them might only cause resentment in the long run. Help them later."

Mike Huckabee -- (Virgo, August 24, 1955) horoscope for January 26:

Try not to go overboard, but you can't help tidying up wherever you may find yourself. You've learned by now that there's a fine line between helping out and overshadowing, so try to keep it light."

I think God is punishing Rudy for using David Frum... but that's just my opinion

I just think these politicoroscops or whatever they are, are a Hoot!

Ty. ? to much coffee?
We are all on the same page on MSM... As I like to call them the MSE... Main Stream Entertainers
HRC is not the only victim of the MSE, I look forward to more from Craig on this issue with other examples – He had to start somewhere.

Ping – the balance

wasnt barnicle fire from one of the Boston papers over a plagerism charge?

yo soy Horsedooty!

he stole from George Carlin among others
he also defended blue collar racism in Boston
he is a maroooooooooooon

Craig,

Let me explain to you how the Clintons used racism to their advantage. I'm amazed that you didn't get it. Even before they got to South Carolina, they decided to use black surrogates to do their dirty work. The whisper campaign among those surrogates was to try to make Obama "not really black" in order to tamp down the black vote.

When that didn't work, they decided, okay, we'll have the black surrogates attack his credibility. So we got Robert Johnson, Charlie Rangel, Andy Young, et al and their comments. When that backfired by galvanizing the black community, particularly younger African Americans not tied to the yoke of the Civil Rights leaders who endorsed Clinton, then the Clinton's decided to minimize the South Carolina contest by pushing the "Barack Obama as the blacks candidate" as a way to marginalize him.

I think people get caught up in a too simplified version of racism. Perhaps the phrase should be racial manipulation. The Clintons have enough of a knowledge of the black community to know which pressure points within the community are reactive and which aren't, almost in the same what that George Bush successfully could talk to evangelists over the heads of the majority of Americans. But this time, the manipulation didn't work in corralling the black vote. And I know this may sound like a cliche, but the African American voters in South Carolina are decidedly going to vote their hopes rather than their fears.

Thanks for the horoscope, Sheila! As Obama's fellow Leo, I'm trying to figure out how to have a little fun on the cheap today!!!!

Laughs @ TY

sorry, ping.. sometimes i read things into your posts that arent there.. and sarcasm is hard to get without Brians bag of emoticons..

Hi Mrs Tylenol,

I thought I rememberd that. Thanks. I think it was Imus that brought him to MSNBC. Ridd must be related to JohnR... he/she is rude also

yo soy Horsedooty!

oooo look.. another drive by post!

Ridd,
Good name... Do you think you should Get ridd of the attitude.....??

Alpha......you think all those black surrogates are kept in a dungeon somewhere by the clintons and are then let out and forced to say those things?

think I am gonna try to back to sleep for an hour are so

see ya's later

yo soy Horsedooty!

Bull, Alpha. That "not black enough" accusation as well as "sell out to corporate America" claims have been out there for a LONG time....these guys are hardly Clinton operatives:

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=483&Itemid=1

Patsi---I fully agree with you. See post to Ping Pong. I never was a fan of Hart.

The Ping House Divided...
My daughter that is just 18 is supporting Obama, just in time to vote. And she has some good points when discussing why.

But bless her heart - she did register Republican !!

"decided to use black surrogates to do their dirty work"

Ha Ha .......I can almost see it ........a solid line of Black Automatons marching forth to accomplish dirty work for the Overlord Clintons.......

ridd just called the white voters of sc racist and easily manipuated and too stupid know Obama was black before Bill Clinton mentioned it.

I think its exciting when our kids grow up and show us new ways to look at the world..and candidates..THAT's what we're raising kids to be isnt it? independent?

Obama's BLACK????????????

Alpha,

I'm the Obama mama here this morning and I can say indisputably that your are reading too much into this.

The Black Clinton surrogates were used to counter Obama's reach out to the black population in this country, by trying to show that he was one of them.

While watching them, I thought it was brilliant. The reason he has moved upwards is the use of Oprah, Jesse Jackson Jr, and others.

But I also thought it might backfire a bit and it has in SC.

Now where Bill Clinton has fouled up was his ill used stumping for his wife. He was too harsh, lettting his real feelings be seen and he literally has injured his own legacy with his misuse of the position of "Elder Statesman".

Tricky and delicate balances in Politics. We still have to see what is going to happen in FEB. Its going to be a wild ride and its still for us to analys what really happened afterwards.

BECAUSE, the media is the biggest shill in this race.

Well Sturgeone,

Glad you asked that. I think Obama threatens them on a number of levels. One, he's not part of the "club" of thirty, forty year Civil Rights generation vets, so they're not particularly interested in having him on the scene. He threatens their all too comfortable positions. So they're MORE than happy to say the things that the Clintons can't. Two, this is politics. The Clintons have a ton of past and future political chips to cash. These guys don't want lose their little power by going against the Clintons. But don't get me wrong. You don't have to be forced to do something in order to be part of a strategy. And that's the sad thing.

Rudy and John both being Gemini's are getting a typical read out for that sign: You are on the cusp of a decision that could go either way.

Which way will they throw their support and money, and in John's case, delegates?

I wouldnt be too quick to call Bill Clinton unaware of what he is doing.......and judging the efficacy of his actions negatively........the boy got a lot on the ball, ya know.......

Incoming!!

When Clinton was ahead with black voters the media said Obama was not viable if he could not get the majority of black voters..

Now he is and they are saying he isn't viable because he lost the white voters and is blaming the Clintons ..what about the role Edwards plays in this.

Alpha.....okie doke.

Ty, -)
Right on....
I was very pleased that she has her own opinions, that she could articulate some reasons based on values. And she could argue.. In our family not a bad word !!

"My daughter that is just 18 is supporting Obama, just in time to vote. And she has some good points when discussing why."

Good for your daughter, Ping! I think my 34 year old son is supporting him as well, although he swears he is staying neutral until we have a nominee.

heehee ping..in my family too.. if HRC wins, it will be a delicate dance around here with Mr Tylenol.. lol

Off to a funeral.....
Have a good day to all

Craig, you're a voice of reason in a bleek wilderness of MSM hate and bias. Thanks for standing up to the Tweety and Scarborough shows with smart opinions and cutting through the spinology. You are a Patriot and really care about America.

Shelia,

What we saw from Bill Clinton was a classic case of a white liberal politician absolutely befuddled about why he wasn't effective with his old woo-doo on black voters. Bill never realized that the whole "first black president" comment was IRONIC, not real. While he has a good reputation within the black community, he made the mistake of thinking that his credentials could negate the credentials of a real black candidate. So he threw a tantrum.

how do they determine what vote is black and what vote is white?? do you have to declare your race when you register??

Don't you just love folks like Ridd who drop by the home of someone else and immediately paint grafitti on the garage.

Here's what racism would really be: if Obama's opponents laid back and gave him a pass because they were afraid to take on a black candidate. That would be racist.

BINGO Alpha!

That's the real presence here. Power not race. THe Media invented this one and is using both parties to hurt each other.

I REALLY think we all should consider who the media works for.

Weren't we just talking about the media monopolies last night?

Have to get ready to go to a knife and gun show this morning. But before I head out wonder by what % will Obama beat Hillary, if he beats her at all. I am guessing it is less than %5.

Ping I can understand why your daughter is picking Obama. She is very similar to the 18 to 27 year olds in Iowa who put Obama over the top. Without their support Obama would have lost big time.

Just love the smell of gun cleaning solvent in the morning.

what tantrum?

my 24 yr old college grad daughter will vote for Hillary today.....she was torn between Obama and Hill, and health care sealed the deal in her mind......

someone needs a trip to the irony board
I don't think that was Toni Morrison's thought

"The media" now works for a shrinking number of bosses... "The Boss" now owns the local newspaper, television station and talk radio station.. not a good thing..

Katherine,

That's a good point. I think the media is missing something important. Obama still has a significant amount of white support nationally. I think this "black victory" in South Carolina is over played. And I also think that a lot of white voters watched the whole Hillary and Bill show in SC and decided to move to Edwards as an alternative. I honestly don't know how that will play out on Feb 5th, but I have a feeling that we're going to have a TON of 33%, 33%, 33% races.

And Alpha,

Thats all he did was throw a BIG Bill Clinton ego tantrum. He and his wife are pros and they are also big equality and equal treatment people all their lives.

You can inject race into that if you want, but then instead of seeing this display be Clinton as what it really was, the MEDIA is directing everyone to see "Race" in very subtle infererances.

They are playing both campaigns.

WHAT tantrum???

alpha
you are wrong and I would be happy to take your money in a bet

"Tantrum"?? I rather think not. Are you going to accuse CC of having a "tantrum" this morning as well?

i thought revisionist history took a little longer to write than 2 weeks..

Patsi,

Nothing about being a black candidate says that one is untouchable. But what the Clintons attempted to do was distort in order to do it. Now that's politics too, but when you're hoping to get black votes at the same time, the blowback is that the black community looks at you as a liar and unfair. And instead of getting votes via negative politics, you instead get black voters resentful of your campaign and energized to vote for Obama. And that's what happened.

or like (mumble mumble) accusing him of being on pain pills?
lol

lol sturge

Rats.........I must go.

I"m just throwing something out for comment.

Could the division in the black ranks be generational? I've heard comments that Obama is laying claim to all the work of the Civil Rights generation that wasn't his by right because he lacked the "descendant of slaves" credential, while having access to money and connections that were still closed to their children.

For the younger folks it is dealing with the inheritant racism in American society and black is black no matter how you got there. For them, he could be the great hope of change in the future.

You guys talkin ta me? My debate with Alpha has been overlapping by the way. He's prolific. I kinda like him and he's an OBAMA DADDY! lol

distort what? it's a political campaign.. welcome to the world..

It's remarkable that Pat Buchanan is the one to place the prime responsibility for "injecting" race into the disucssions on the media itself.

Also, notice that unlike when Craig was speaking & Scarborough & Barnacle kept talking over him, Pat Buchanan is not interrupted.

I think Obama's speeches are inspiring.. they would get me to my feet every time.. but I haven't seen Clinton throw a tantrum.. not once..

BRAVO CRAIG!!

Your segment, with Mike Barnicle, had Jim and me glued to the tv!!

It's too bad that JS and MB had to be there to interrupt an interesting discussion!! JS's tunnel vision is getting to be a big, boring snore...

MB better watch out or Jimmy Kimmel is going to start imitating her facial expressions!! What was up with the look she was giving, while listening to Craig?

Craig was talking and the shot flashed to JS/MB. MB was leaning into JS, had her cheeks sucked in and "squinty" eyes peering out from under her bangs....like she was wanting to say..."STOP MESSIN' WITH MY MAN, CRAIG CRAWFORD"

LMAO!!!!!

Sheila,

Now you're being naive. You can be for equality all of your life, but still use a race strategy to manipulate an election. One doesn't have anything to do with the other. As a former reporter, let me let people in on a secret. The media listens to campaigns and then reports on the findings. All campaigns have messages, and if you want to complain about race being in the media, point the finger back at the campaigns. It's there for a reason.

Jamie,

Great thought. Since I brought up the subtle racism of our generation...that 90% don't like to recgnize.

Why couldn't our generation of African Americans be dealing with the same subtle prejudice, but only on the Slave heritage plain of feeling.

Like women who are still emotionally connected to the woman's movement.

Great thought

aww cmon, alpha.. there are no reporters anymore.. they're all commentators..

Tylenol

"what vote is black and what vote is white"

No you you don't declare race when you register, but votes are recorded by precinct (geographic areas). Because de facto segregation is still present, analysts know which precincts are predominantly white and which have a black majority. When they combine that with exit polls, there is a pretty accurate measure of the percentages of each race voting for each candidate.

Tylenol,

I would suggest you go to his Tom Joyner show interview. I don't know if the audio is still up, but it was so much of a tantrum that Tom Joyner had to come on the next day to tamp down the black listener reaction. Just in case you didn't know, Joyner is the #1 black radio show in the US.

I was hoping to greet our fearless leader with a cup o joe ..(haha..unintended there).. and a bravo, but I gotta go get a haircut.. promise me you'll clap him on the back in my absence..

and what political affiliation does Joyner have??

Alpha,

Now your being over zealous. As a former Producer of News,.....lol Really,

don't you see what was interjected here? Puppet strings are a dancing.

The Obama campaign used a good strategy that would have worked. If the Junior Field Producer (speaking general) didn't inject something interesting and possible into the mix. The News room went with it (24 hour News cycle needs dirt for watching) and then we got

Huge strategic backlash from the CLinton campaign. Afterall, they aren't the new guys on the front. CLintons have the best of the best in their camp.

This is a great lesson in manipulation.

I think that stinks Jamie.... I would be so angry if our national elections were broken down along linguistic lines, for instance.. what's the point of a secret ballot? might as well go for a show of hands..

Alpha -- Like they say, politics ain't beanbag. but I will tell you that as a divorced mother trying to raise kids in Reagan's America, I was pissed at Obama's comments. No matter what he ultimately meant. Have I been pissed at both Clintons about various things? You bet.

You are right about the generational gap. Months ago, when I didn't think I'd pick a candidate, I started hearing Barack talk about getting baby boomers and that '60s mentality out of politics, and quite frankly, I reacted to it. That does not mean that I won't fully support him if he's the candidate....but ageismwas introduced into the dialogue.

People of different generations see things through their own time's eyes. Back when my son's inner city football team (mostly black players) hung out at my house every day after practice, one of them discovered Amos & Andy at a video store. Unbeknownst to me, they were watcing these while I was at work...they thought these were hilarious...and several of them, including my (anglo) son, put a Kingfisher message on my home answer machine. Those boys thought I was insane when I made them erase the thing.

as usual the marooms miss the points of the program except for the silly ones

a big issue int he cal home markets has been the ceiling which creates the jumbo loans which are more expensive

and in cal even a middle class family has a jumbo loan

they might be the dumbest people on tv

BTW,

I was in DC and on the Hill for ABC News. Where are you and its great to get your opinion here. Welcome!

Jamie,

It is generational and that surprised the hell out of the Clintons. They're used to (just like all pols I will say) getting the head of the church, the local politician, etc. as endorsers and then getting the body to vote for them. And I'm guessing that those pols all guaranteed that they could do that. But what these pols didn't anticipate was that black Gen Xers and younger African Americans don't care about marching lockstep with ministers, Civil Rights politicians, etc.

I think Newsweek had an article saying that some South Carolina leaders were absolutely scared because they'd endorsed Clinton and their members had gotten angry because they were supporting Obama. One woman said that it was threatening her leadership position.

What the Clintons did, and I'm grateful for it, was galvanize this younger generation (of which I'm part of). They have NO idea how many new listserves, Obama contributors, they created among younger African Americans.

Okay Obama mama, I won't argue that point.

Obama Daddy!

"but I haven't seen Clinton throw a tantrum.. not once.."

Tylenol,

Bill did one of his "shaking finger in face of reporter" blow ups accusing the reporter of being the one to inject racism into the election when nothing that had been said was racisit in any way.

The media is now referring to this as a "tantrum" and an example of how wrong the Clintons have been to use the race card.

Once these jackels get on a meme and everyone piles on repeating each other, there is almost no way to stop them. You can stand there repeating, "But that isn't what happened" over and over and it will make absolutely no difference. Once the media starts playing Little Sir Echo, you can't hear the truth over the reverberation.

LOL I like your style Alpha!

democrats were all cheering when Clinton shook his finger in Chris Walllace's face

Okay all, sorry to stir up the pot. I have to get back to writing. But it's nice to come back on the site after having been away for a while.

Jamie

Agreed. Also, believe that when Obama intially entered the scene, he did not reach for the MLK/civil rights struggle mantle, but wanted to transcend & be perceived as you say--a new hope for the current generation, to get beyond the boomer (mine) generation's claims.

Sheila - speaking of subtle racism, just take a look at the
backdrop of the diner where Joe/Mika, et al are broadcasting
from.

Quick Post..
Shelia - Did you have the honor of working with ABC during the Frank Reynolds years?
This was a true News Man...
"Let's get it NAILED DOWN...somebody...let's find out! Let's get it straight so we can report this thing accurately!"

TO become a Journalist you should take an oath...

Come back often Alpha.

the entire morning load is nothing but an obama ad
will nbc list it as an inkind contribution

KCG - Republicans also cheered as the true Bill shows, what a great moment.
But hey - strong people need to have a back bone. We do not want a whimp in the White House.

Coreen ,,

My glasses aren't very good. What am I missing?

Piing that last real oldie but goody journalist I worked for before he retired, was David Brinkley.

At his late age, he was cantankerous and brilliant at the same time. Cranky cranky cranky. Of course, it was a cronic back pain that made him cranky.

And of course I guess everyone just assume the Republicans are racists

LOL GO JOE! LOL

I would be interested in seeing the educational levels in the Obama support in the same way that they have broken out the College Women vs. the High School women with Clinton.

There has always been a similar division within the black community. The ones descended from Free Men or well educated following emancipation even up to high income levels with their own wealthy and debutante balls (the highest level of "separate but equal"). They had solid families and became the ministers, teachers, business leaders, graduates of the "black" colleges and the "token" within white society.

With the Civil Rights movement these people were released from the ghetto areas and finally able to climb the ladder of society that they had always deserved by virtue of talent and education. As a result those without strong families, poor education, and poverty were left behind without mentors and examples of the way out and up. Add in drugs and gangs and you have a huge number of people divorced not only from middle class life, but their people as well.

Clyburne...NOW HE is an elder statesman. I'm so glad he is on and explaining the subtlies.

I can't believe how JS and MB are trying to make this a race issue. If they would keep their mouth shut and let people talk then maybe people could finish their thoughts.

Clyburn's statements interesting to me.

The did however twist the Senator Clinton MLK Johnsons statement out of context and also what she said

So if you base your complaint on a lie. What are you

According to Clybourn and Scarborough saying that someone is inexperienced or challenging their voting record is now RACIST? WTF???

Apparently anything anyone says about Obama that is bad is now racist.

Also Clyburn pointed that the voting pattern is established not something the Clinton's did and they just slid over that

I have to agree with Craig. Just as the media turned women to Clinton in NH they have now done the same thing with white voters...because if the Clintons are racist...what the hell are the rest of us.

I agree.... that makes a lot of sense!

Clyburn should have just come clean and made his endorsement of Obama known. If you listen to any of his comments of late they are clearly pro Obama and I find his lack of public endorsement dishonest. I can't say I am surprised, though.

JoeCHI, Not true.

he was saying that the young in this Generation don't need to be turned off by "Our Generations" arguements. He's right and from what he said, the Clintons and Obama have listened in ths last couple of days.

......Geez....Zoey. Clyburne has endorsed the CLintons already.....