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My family does not talk about politics very much. We were eating dinner last night and they phone rang. It was an automated message. They wanted to take a political survey. My Mom hung up on it. I told her to get used to getting a lot of politically-oriented phonecalls over the next year with the election coming. She then said "I don't want Hillary to be our next President. She hasn't been in charge of anything before. Well , at least that's what all the other candidates say." I know my Mom doesn't really believe that , but it just goes to show what kind of an effect the negative comments about candidates has on the public opinion. I'm not really sure why my Mom doesn't like Hillary. I would guess to say that maybe Hillary doesn't seem sincere enough for my Mom , if that makes any sense.
Posted by: Corey
| December 21, 2007 1:12 PM
Many thanks to Mad Mustard for setting forth some fine guidelines for our blog home:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2007/12/clintons-war-footing-still-sur.html#comment-7770
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| December 21, 2007 1:23 PM
dog....I'll repost...and fix some of those typos!
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 2:18 PM
Craig you beat me to it- Mad's comments were great ideas to follow-
On another note, Hillary got the endorsement of our local paper-
http://www.sentinelsource.com/main.asp?SectionID=43&SubSectionID=105&ArticleID=173760
Posted by: Kathy | December 21, 2007 2:48 PM
Kathy, thanks for keeping us posted on all things New Hampshire. What do you think of new poll showing Clinton and Obama now tied (and Edwards on the move)? If things are getting that tight, seems to me that Iowa is going to be more influential than ever on the New Hampshire vote.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/polltracker/2007/12/obama-clinton-tied-in-new-hamp.html
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| December 21, 2007 3:00 PM
Corey,
My mother-in-law really likes Hillary. I haven't discussed it with her yet (maybe over Christmas dinner!), but I suspect it's because she, like Hillary, married a man who could really let his dickflag fly at times...
Posted by: Julia | December 21, 2007 3:17 PM
Julia,
Any woman who has loved and dealt with an "irresitable" man for an extended period while holding her position in space with humor and strength (as opposed to being a doormat) would like HIllary. The fight is often worth the effort and if you hang in there, the gentleman (?) in question can turn out to be your very best friend.
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 3:30 PM
I have 18 family members coming for Christmas Dinner. Since we regularly talk politics, without fighting, I am going to attempt Bowmanc's Straw Poll. It should be.interesting.
Early polling of NH residents
Obama 1
Biden 1
Edwards 2
Undecided 2
Posted by: Bowmanc
| December 21, 2007 3:40 PM
Julia: "married a man who could really let his dickflag fly at times..."
God, that's a funny line!
And Jamie -- absolutely agree. I think it works when there is a tremendous amount of respect for brains, ambition etc on both parts.
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 3:41 PM
Jamie,
"Any woman who has loved and dealt with an "irresitable" man for an extended period while holding her position in space with humor and strength (as opposed to being a doormat) would like HIllary."
No argument there (though I've known women who kicked him to the curb, much to the applause of her girlfriends).
But that doesn't make Hillary qualified to be president. Nor does that disqualify her. I just don't see it's relevancy.
In other news, Rudy's "flu like symptoms" sound to me like he had a serious hangover. Which would be completely understandable given his recent poll numbers.
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 3:50 PM
Nearly every woman I know would happily vote for Hillary. I do know a few woman who hate her....but they wouldn't vote for a democrat anyway. But the most support I've seen is from waitresses. When I wear my Hillary t-shirt, a waitress, whether mine or not, will very often stop by and say something akin to "You go girl."
But I fear that many of them don't vote. Several that I asked said they'd been solidly for Kerry....but the worked all day, had to pick up their kids from day care or school after work and were just too tired. They almost all said they didn't even know about Tennessee's early voting.
About board contention....it's simply a reflection of the culture we live in. Someone, I believe Tom Brokow, was talking about this several months ago. He said that the media was guilty of encouraging a culture of conflict. Just look at the political shows filled with snide or misleading comments and often outright lies that seldom get questioned (as mentioned on Abrams' show) ....or even other events -- when something happens and the first thing to is to assign blame.
This is the God's truth....I have a friend in Oklahoma who was told by her doctor to stop watching Chris Matthews because of her blood pressure. (Her home health nurse had previously said the same about Orin Hatch...ha!)
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 3:57 PM
well.... my mom and dad and Rick's mom and dad are all saying that it's time for a woman president and all 4 of them have told me they will be voting for Hillary in the NH primary.....
Patsi..... very interesting post about framing of language...... and yes.... the media is definitely guilty of encouraging a culture of conflict..... they think it gives them ratings and sells newspapers and magazines..... unfortunately, they are probably right......
Mad.... when I heard Bush mention switch grass in his press conference yesterday, I burst out laughing thinking of your blog with the horse.....
eprof...... so glad to hear from you.... I miss your thoughtful posts very much.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | December 21, 2007 4:07 PM
Renee, you don't mean the SUV (Switchgrass Utility Vehicle) do you?
http://www.madmustard.com/images/2006/02/Switchgrass%20Utility%20Vehicle-MadMustard.jpg
Posted by: MadMustard
| December 21, 2007 4:14 PM
hey julia, i just released a recent comment of yours from the spam bin and wanted to repeat for everyone that our filter holds any comments with 3 or more links as possible spam. and i don't always get to the spam bin every day to free up the good guys.
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| December 21, 2007 4:21 PM
Mad.....
yup..... that's the one..... LOL!
thanks for the repost.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | December 21, 2007 4:21 PM
Dog asked me to repost this, so here's the thoughts...
I was very critical of Hillary for many years. Primarily for botched health care, and for not being --in my terms -- not a strong enough feminist. I was pissed that she buckled on changing her hair, dropping her glasses and not speaking out stronger.
But one day I was going back over some papers from my grad school days in history....my primary area of European history was the Holocaust and the Nazi propaganda machine. I had started out in Ancient History, but after being married and living in Germany, and a trip to Dachau, I returned to try and make sense of what the hell had happened to humanity.
After re-reading so much of my old notes, etc., I began evaluating how and why I had been so critical of Hillary Clinton. And I had to face up to what the Lakoff book calls language framing. Years earlier I had done a great deal of reading on how language alterations and slants had shaped German thought....I also knew all the codes used against women when I was a feminist editor.
It was all there. America didn't want a feminist in the White House. Not one who looked like a feminist or -- God forbid, a '60s long hair with black framed glasses. Betty Ford was able to get away with a lot of her views because of her overall demeanor.
To my intellectual chagrin, I knew I had been systematically suckered. And while I probably don't want to have a beer with Hillary, I know what that mindset got us in a presidential election.
And here's my take on that "apology" question about the so-called war vote, which was in fact NOT a "war vote." I think Hillary could and maybe should have said the only thing she'd apologize for was not recognizing that George Bush couldn't be trusted with power.
Furthermore, I am so damn sick of this "apology" culture that I could puke. My father always said people apologized too much....His reasoning -- "Don't insult or hurt anyone unless you mean it."
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 4:24 PM
Craig- Absolutely Iowa is going to be even more important due to the 5 day difference- that is going to be an absolutely crazy time with a debate and the dem 100 dinner-
The in thing to say is that Iowa will decide the dem front runner and NH the republican- but I am not sure about that. I think that deals with many wanting to discount Huckabee.
The USAToday poll was not surprising - I see many breaking towards Obama, and Edwards and Richardson- and I do not know people breaking for Hillary. As Renee referred to, many of the Hillary supporters I personally know are older women. I know few -ok one- guy in his 40s voting for Hillary.
Also about the poll- I got to speak with Sisan Page this week at the Edwards event and was quoted in her article:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-20-NHmood_N.htm
Last comment- when I hear analysts stating that Hillary wants to take out Obama and would rather have Edwards win in Iowa, I think be careful what you wish for-
Posted by: Kathy | December 21, 2007 4:33 PM
thanks Kathy, totall agree with your "careful what you wish for" comment on Hillary wanting Edwards to win Iowa
any accountants on board? check out this NYT item which appears to exonerate Rudy's accounting practices on trips to Hamptons. but i am having trouble understanding it:
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/12/20/us/politics/20071221_GIULIANI_GRAPHIC.html
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| December 21, 2007 4:40 PM
Patsi,
"To my intellectual chagrin, I knew I had been systematically suckered"
This is a courageous statement to make. Could you give us more details? More details on "language framing?" And how do you think others might be systematically suckered. And finally, what safeguards do you use to ensure you're still not being snookered?
Thanks.
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 4:44 PM
Kathy, Craig,
Call me naive (just don't call me late for supper), but it's not clear to me how Iowa influences NH, other than those that do well in Iowa should get a boost in contributions to help their campaigns in NH. I always thought the voters in NH were of the "I'll make up my own damn mind, thank you" mind set.
I'm obviously missing something here.
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 4:50 PM
Kathy -- I'd be very interested as to where these analysts got their information. I hear so much speculation that is -- uh -- speculative.
On the other hand, I do think this race is tightening on an hourly basis. And while I support Hillary, I think that's healthy. Any one of these top three (I still love Bill Richardson but doubt he can pull this off) is going to face a right wing hate machine like we've never seen before. (I've been receiving the Obama/Osama emails from right wingers that I know ever since he was elected to the Senate. Of course, now we are told it's all Bob Kerry's fault.) I'm a little suspicious of the lack of scruitiny Obama has received. If Hillary had dissed an entire generation the way he did, well, I think I could guess what the "pundits" would have been doing for weeks after.....
At any rate, the Republican establishment knows they have to hold the White House this time. They need another right wing judge, and they need these repressive programs continued until people are so used to them that a generation won't know it was ever any different.
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 4:53 PM
"But that doesn't make Hillary qualified to be president. Nor does that disqualify her. I just don't see it's relevancy. "
dnd,
It has to do with brains, humor, achievements, and talent that has been dedicated to the success of someone else while knowing your own worth. Hillary's core support is women of a certain age who knew that there were times they could have danced circles around some boss, husband whomever and because the world just didn't wag that way at the time, they did their dance in the light of reflected glory.
The times changed and the path to leadership has become much more wide open. Her husband is retired, her child is grown and she has spent the last six years being a darn good Senator. We look at her and know that there is an excellent chance she has the capacity to be twice the President her husband was.
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 4:54 PM
Patsi- you reference to judges reminds me. At the Edwards event, Elizabeth said that she was doing fine healthwise, and while she appreciates the concerns, people should instead pray for the continued good health of Justice Stevens.
Posted by: Kathy | December 21, 2007 4:59 PM
Okay, Watching Hardball because of Craig. He opens with "If the Truth Hurts". For a few minutes I thought he was going to read his email. :-)
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 5:02 PM
dnd....
I think what Craig and Kathy (Hi Kath!) are referring to is that in 2004 Dean was ahead in the Democratic NH primary according to the polls...... then he came in third in Iowa and Kerry won....
but it was always close here before the Iowa caucus because Kerry was the "son next door"..... here in southern NH, most of our news comes from the Boston stations and most of the population lives down here also.....
since name recognition is such a huge factor..... this state has always supported any Massachusetts person who has run for president..... it gave Tsongas a victory in 92..... it is why Romney is ahead here for Republicans, IMO....
Kerry's Iowa caucus victory did tip the scales here for him.....
but I've heard a lot of people who will vote Democratic saying they will not let Iowa affect them this time around...... we will just have to wait and see if that is true or not.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | December 21, 2007 5:07 PM
Dnd-
Iowa boosts NH because whoever wins will absolutely dominate the news coverage nonstop-whoever comes in 3rd will have a hard time pulling up- in NH last time around, we saw the Dean scream in the week following Iowa- over and over- Dean collapsed and came in 2nd, though many believe that if there had been another week or two Dean would have rebounded(he had been coming back up).
It is not a secret that the Clinton campaign were hoping for a longer interval between Iowa and NH-
Though you will hear many reporters reference Live Free of Die and the granite state independence, the reality is, two thirds of the dems are still undecided, - and those last few days will make all the difference. Many want to back the winner- and mant more want to beack the person they think can win. So people will be looking to the top finishers.
I know of many people passionate for Kucinich, Biden, and Dodd who will support them still, but more who will not vote for them as they believe their vote will be wasted.
Posted by: Kathy | December 21, 2007 5:14 PM
Dnd-
Iowa boosts NH because whoever wins will absolutely dominate the news coverage nonstop-whoever comes in 3rd will have a hard time pulling up- in NH last time around, we saw the Dean scream in the week following Iowa- over and over- Dean collapsed and came in 2nd, though many believe that if there had been another week or two Dean would have rebounded(he had been coming back up).
It is not a secret that the Clinton campaign were hoping for a longer interval between Iowa and NH-
Though you will hear many reporters reference Live Free of Die and the granite state independence, the reality is, two thirds of the dems are still undecided, - and those last few days will make all the difference. Many want to back the winner- and many more want to back the person they think can win. So people will be looking to the top finishers.
I know of many people passionate for Kucinich, Biden, and Dodd who will support them still, but more who will not vote for them as they believe their vote will be wasted.
Posted by: Kathy | December 21, 2007 5:15 PM
Jamie,
Thanks for that perspective. It helps me understand the thinking of a lot of people I know who support Hillary.
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 5:17 PM
Kathy,
"people should instead pray for the continued good health of Justice Stevens."
Just one more reason I want Elizabeth Edwards to be our next president.
"I know of many people passionate for Kucinich, Biden, and Dodd who will support them still, but more who will not vote for them as they believe their vote will be wasted."
Just one more reason we should have instant runoff voting.
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 5:23 PM
Kathy: "At the Edwards event, Elizabeth said that she was doing fine healthwise, and while she appreciates the concerns, people should instead pray for the continued good health of Justice Stevens."
Elizabeth Edwards is Queen of the World. Love her.
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 5:28 PM
wow....
that was a great segment on Hardball...... for once.... Matthews let his guests answer his questions instead of talking over them.....
Craig.... the tie with the dots at the top..... you looked great..... and it was nice to see you have a chance to actually articulate your thoughts ......
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | December 21, 2007 6:05 PM
And to more important stuff: Everybody have a safe and wonderful holiday season. I'll stay in Nashville...both of my kids will be home as well as my fabulous granddaughter. My son loves to cook so I'll let him do it! My son-in-law loves to chop wood, and do other house-type chores, and so I let him do that. My daughter is bringing the the grandbaby AND our favorite Christmas CD -- by Leon Redbone.
I SO wish I had a blog or something to show you all my gorgeous little Maria Irina!
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 6:17 PM
I missed Craig on Hardball. Mad, I'm counting on you for the video.
Here's my nomination for the official theme song for Craigslist:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rhXiee1Q88A
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 6:21 PM
Patsi,
Leon Redbone has a Christmas CD? I've gotta find that.
Hope you have a wonderful time with your family.
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 6:24 PM
For those who missed the link the first time I posted him, Lord Likely is in rare and wonderful form for the holidays
http://lordlikely.co.uk/
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 6:35 PM
"I bought Craig's first book and enjoy his appearances on a variety of shows is that he has no apparent agenda.'
Patsi, This is exactly why he insists on not voting. It may seem like a civic duty, but for Craig it is the way of attempting as much as anyone can to be an honest broker believed by all sides.
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 6:38 PM
Jamie -- the first time I heard Craig say he didn't vote (on Imus) I was sort of taken aback....but in really thinking about it, I understood.
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 6:41 PM
Thanks for the tip, Craig. (I'm a bit slow with these technical thingies sometimes.)
Jamie & Patsi.
Well, Bill's dickflag, at least as far as I know, is a lot less...er...impressive (forgive the pun)...than my late father-in-law's was. We're talking Jerry Springer Show caliber stuff where he was concerned. Seriously. I don't know how my mother-in-law dealt with him, but she did. I'm definitely going to discuss the Hillary business with her when she's at my house for Christmas.
Posted by: Julia | December 21, 2007 6:48 PM
Julia,
I will be interested in what she has to say. My eight year sentence was with an (er) impressive flag flyer, but I actually loved his brain even more. :-) So that may be Billy Boy's (er) biggest attraction.
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 6:56 PM
"I have to take exception to what you said about Hillary in your 4:54 post. It seems to me that you are trying to paint the choices Hillary has made in her personal life as being some sort of noble sacrifice"
You are reading the post wrong. Go back and try again.
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 7:17 PM
Everyone is certainly entitled to his/her opinion about Hillary and what they think about her marriage. She is very ambitious and maybe she did stick with Bill because of her ambition. However, none of us knows for sure, we don't know what's in her heart. Perhaps she is just a very forgiving person who doesn't believe in divorce?
Posted by: Julia | December 21, 2007 7:25 PM
Ahhh, but the $64,000.00 question still remains: why is Hillary's ambition held up to such scrutiny? No one is questioning the ambitions of any of the other candidates, and seeing as how Hill's the only chica up there, it does make one wonder if that's the reason she's singled out.
Posted by: Julia | December 21, 2007 7:34 PM
dnd and dog: you both asked me to talk more about framing. Just examine the difference beween what is being said about Hillary Clinton and the male candidates. If, for example, she had left Bill, then she was a woman who had no forgiveness. But she stayed and so she is scheming, ie devious.
More about words: listen to how her campaign is "framed" -- they have schemes and agendas....Edwards and Obama do not.
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 7:45 PM
Julia,
"No one is questioning the ambitions of any of the other candidates"
With all due respect, two words:
Rudy Giuliani
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 7:45 PM
Touche, DND. But not to the extent that they are with Hillary.
Posted by: Julia | December 21, 2007 7:51 PM
Thanks Patsi, that's interesting to think about. I know you like Hillary, but from an a purely objective standpoint, could you characterize some of what the Hillary campaign has "framed?" I'm just curious as I want to understand it better and getting it from contrasting points helps point out the salient issues.
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 7:51 PM
Recently , Craig mentioned on TV that the war was fading in importance as an election factor.
Last thread Craig wrote that HRC may start boasting of her war vote. I hope that was a tongue-in-cheek statement.
We don't need any Democrat bragging how she was all for this wonderful war all along, even if that is the truth about so many of them.
Fading public consciousness of a war indicates public weariness. Burns pointed out how that towards the end of WWII the American public was just about spiritually worn out , as the country was broke and totally war-weary.
But the deaths slow down, temporarily, and MSM reports people are shoving the war to the back of their concerns list.
Soldiers die, little focus is on that.
More than likely no one here has ever heard the question,
"What happened at Firebase Maryann?"
What happened was the worst battle defeat of US troops in the whole of the Viet Nam War.
In the dead of night, US soldiers were literally slaughtered in great numbers. The reason I didn't forget it is because I received orders to report to the rifle brigade that was there that night, but no transportation came to take me up there and I ended up re-assigned to another outfit. I can't stop remembering . My point is that this happened way after Tet, 1968...three years after that, as a matter of fact. Even US anti-war demonstrations had started to shrink, and people were just sort of resigned that the damn war would just go on forever.
Then , FINALLY, in 1975, Congress pulled the plug. Then , shortly after, no Democrats or Republicans went on record saying "we should have kept funding that war..blah blah, blah.."
Finally, Congress shut off the dollar supply and US involvement ceased.
This week Congress gave Bush about half of what he wanted to squander in Iraq. Gates lamented that fact...should have been more, he said.
The really sad part is that, just as only a few veterans remember what happened at Firebase Maryann thirty six years ago, only a few people will recall the names and reasons the last Americans in battle in Iraq will have died.
I am a Democrat. Just because of that, I don;t have t support nonsensical votes by Democrats to fund this horrible war in Iraq.
Iraq must remain #1 in our fully-tuned-in consciousnesses until , finally, Congess finds a way to STOP FUNDING THIS WAR.
Posted by: Dexter
| December 21, 2007 7:51 PM
"Perhaps she is just a very forgiving person who doesn't believe in divorce?"
By George, I think she's got it. Why can't she just love her husband with all of his faults, love her daughter, love her parents, and have strong feelings about what families need in the modern world plus having the brains and talent to try to bring all those things to fruition.
This whole business of ascribing nefarious attitudes says more about the people accusing her of it than it says about her.
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 7:52 PM
Patsi & dnd -- Leon Redbone's holiday CD is warm and wonderful, particularly That Old Christmas Moon.
re. Chris Matthews' protest about unfair treatment for Rudy, it's not so much whether Rudy charged his own department or another city department, it's the fact that he wasted taxpayer money on his mistress.
re. Rudy, also, this New Yorker -- who worked in the World Trade Center, incidentally -- abhors the way he has lined his pockets and enlarged his already swollen ego with his lies about his heroism. He was reprehensible before and after 9/11, and the fact that he attended quite a few funerals and made regular TV appearances during the first few days (when Mr. Bush was hiding who knows where) does nothing to burnish his image in my mind.
Posted by: benjaminblue | December 21, 2007 7:59 PM
"Healthy well balanced people get the hell out such situations whether they love the person or not. "
Bzzzzt Wrong again. There are lots of reasons for staying in a relationship that actually have nothing to do with love.
You are the one talking about "public humiliation". It may very well be that she settled that one in private and anything said by anyone outside of the relationship has absolutely no bearing whatsoever, and it has nothing to do with politics.
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 8:03 PM
dog,
Why hasn't Bill Richardson been on the cover of GQ? ;-)
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 8:07 PM
Jamie,
"There are lots of reasons for staying in a relationship that actually have nothing to do with love."
Like say, oh, I dunno, blind ambition and lust for power?
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 8:10 PM
dog,
That Hillary article is very good. The main point being that the "haters" are seeing their own agenda and attitudes whatever they might be rather than who she is or what she does.
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 8:11 PM
"Like say, oh, I dunno, blind ambition and lust for power?"
Like oh, friendship, respect, time in a relationship you don't want to replace, commitment to a shared child, financial and business goals. All marriages are comprised of good stuff and bad stuff. People who value those commitments weigh that good and bad stuff and make adjustments as to whether they stay or go.
Judith Viorst has a great quote in "How I got to be 40 and other atrocities". .. Marriage is what keeps you together so that when you fall out of love, you have time to fall in again.
Maybe she just fell in again.
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 8:16 PM
dnd -- These thoughts pertain only to the current election process....I have already mentioned the word "cackle" which translates to a witches' laugh....and "schemes" as opposed to strategy. And how about the imagery? Look at the photos today, with Hillary and Obama and who was going to "turn mean" -- Obama smiling, Hillary scowling. Come on. The subliminal imagery is as obvious as those decades old images of penises in ice cubes in scotch glasses should have been.
The fact is, I like many things about all the Democratic candidates. But I see the difference in the way they are covered.
I wrote marketing copy for a long time.
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 8:17 PM
Patsi,
No argument with your points. But my question was, objectively how has the Hillary campaign used language framing to their advantage?
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 8:20 PM
If Hillary is so craven because she stayed married.....would she be really cool if she had gotten divorced?
Posted by: sturgeone | December 21, 2007 8:25 PM
Jamie,
I appreciate your point. But I'm reminded of Rep. Patrica Schroeder (D -CO first district '73-97), who I love dearly. Pissed me off when she teared up when running for president in '88 and was immediately dissed. She coined the term "Teflon president" referring to Reagan being able to get away with anything. Is Hillary the Teflon candidate?
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 8:27 PM
"Why hasn't Bill Richardson been on the cover of GQ? ;-)"
EXACTLY!
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 8:33 PM
dnd -- if you talked to Pat she would certainly not call Hillary the Teflon candidate!
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 8:36 PM
dnd
"Is Hillary the Teflon candidate?" I actually see her more as the velcro candidate. All of the right, the pundits, the blatherers ascribe all sorts of evil and nefarious plots and machinations to her ... none of which seem to have any real weight or proof other than their opinion.
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 8:37 PM
Dex -- some great comments.....
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 8:40 PM
Dex,
You are not part of the A-Team my friend. You ARE the A-Team!
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 8:43 PM
For anyone who might be interested in Elizabeth KUCINICH, before she falls from the diminishing light of Dennis's campaign:
http://nevadacaucus.blogspot.com/2007/03/my-interview-with-elizabeth-kucinich-in.html
Posted by: Dexter
| December 21, 2007 8:47 PM
Jamie,
I love the way you make me think about this. Seems to me the issue is: is Hillary the victim or the ogre?
Shouldn't the issue her ideas, positions, history and character?
I think the MSM is distracting us from what is important to what is salacious.
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 8:50 PM
SC....west and south of charleston.....Ron Paul and McCain the only roadside signs......Ron Paul over McCain 2 to 1.........maybe they're waiting for Ioway and NH before they spend money in SC.....
Posted by: sturgeone | December 21, 2007 9:20 PM
Dex,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAsJG67LH-4
Posted by: dnd | December 21, 2007 9:21 PM
the A-team was cool but they had nothing on Jim:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5pYtG_jo3o
Posted by: sturgeone | December 21, 2007 9:25 PM
dnd
The easiest way to evaluate her is her six years in the Senate. In that time she has presented and/or signed on to over 400 pieces of legislation. She has almost countless votes on legislation presented by her colleagues. She has now been elected twice by her constituents from the liberal New York City to the rather conservative northern part of the state.
Within that record there are scads of things I agree with and scads of things with which I disagree. That record whether you like it or don't like it says more about her readiness to be President than anything her husband may have done, anything her opponents may say, or anything some opinionated pundit might blurt.
You can look at Biden's record in the same way. You can look at the legislation Richardson has signed and actions he has taken. You can look at Edwards business career during his one term in the Senate and things said while being the VP candidate, and you can evaluate Obama's State activities and one year in the U.S. Senate.
Anything else about any of the candidates is nothing but entertainment and has no value towards how you will decide to vote.
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 9:30 PM
I wonder if this guy feels any shame at all. It would be wonderful to see the extent of his charities
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/goldman-sachs-ceo-gets-679/story.aspx?guid=%7BE1669880-AE13-42FA-BDD0-292655C7710B%7D
Posted by: Jamie | December 21, 2007 9:45 PM
"Like oh, friendship, respect, time in a relationship you don't want to replace, commitment to a shared child, financial and business goals. All marriages are comprised of good stuff and bad stuff. People who value those commitments weigh that good and bad stuff and make adjustments as to whether they stay or go."
Very well said, Jamie, very well said. And the adjustments are all entirely up to the individual: some are willing to put up with a lot more horseshit than others may be.
Posted by: Julia | December 21, 2007 10:00 PM
So, here we are. And I include myself in the scenario. Much about Hillary Clinton has to do with her staying with a husband who cheated on her.
This is what I mean when I say the framing directs us. We've all (and I mean myself!) been talking about the marriage issue.
dnd said "Shouldn't the issue her ideas, positions, history and character?"
Jamie posted a great commentary about the history.
The fact is, Bill Clinton was one of the best presidents we've had in decades. Look at the record. I don't give a shit about his blow jobs. I care about what he left my grandchildren. And what "W" destroyed.
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 10:16 PM
"And if it's ok to ask if Obama's race is an issue in his electablity why is not ok to raise the question in regard to her gender? "
I have ALWAYS said gender was going to be a big problem for Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Patsi | December 21, 2007 10:58 PM
So is gender a bigger issue than race? Or are we all just a big ol' bunch of white folk up in here?
Posted by: Julia | December 21, 2007 11:44 PM
Great post, dex! But dammit...I really, really wanted a pedestal of my very own!
Posted by: harborwoman | December 22, 2007 12:37 AM
A little Christmas present for all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fe11OlMiz8&feature=related
Posted by: harborwoman | December 22, 2007 12:54 AM
here's what happens to pedestal people! harborwoman...and you know it!
http://burka.blogspot.com/Hussein%20Statue.jpg
Posted by: Dexter
| December 22, 2007 1:12 AM
Good morning sports fans! My grandbaby will be here today....and I'm revved. Haven't seen her since Thanksgiving and my daughter say she's talking even more now. She told me on the phone the other day that she wanted to talk to George. (That's George Jones, my dog.)
My new roaster arrived late yesterday and I almost hugged the FedEx guy, I was so relieved. After all the years of having to balance out cooking the casseroles, etc after the turkey or ham was finished, I bought one of those self contained roasters to free up the oven.
And my son should be leaving Washington DC any minute for the drive South....it's all good.
I'll be listening to Leon Redbone soon!
Posted by: Patsi | December 22, 2007 6:18 AM
I appreciate the tone-of-the-blog posts from CC and MadM.......it's good to remember that the blog is read by many more than those who post......
and Dex..........Et tu Dexte' ?
Just because I said our immigration problem is being caused by Global Warming?
Posted by: sturgeone | December 22, 2007 7:51 AM
Will Thomas on Opie Wan Kenobe:
Huckabee Faces A Rush Limbaugh Barrage
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-faces-a-rush-lim_n_77905.html
Posted by: sturgeone | December 22, 2007 8:06 AM
ah Sturg.....
the Limbaugh vs Huckabee thing....
the GOP has made it's bed with courting the religious right..... now it's coming back to bite them in the butt.....
it's a lovely thing to see......
and just what they deserve....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | December 22, 2007 8:49 AM
Jibjab Year in Review to the tune of "We Didn't Start The Fire"
http://www.jibjab.com/sendables/274/in_2007
Go get a giggle. We all need one.
Posted by: Jamie | December 22, 2007 9:22 AM
Reb Ren.....yes, it gives me that very special christmas feeling just thinking about it.........
Posted by: sturgeone | December 22, 2007 9:45 AM
Jamie, that was great! Thanks.
Happy first day of winter everybody.
Posted by: dnd | December 22, 2007 9:47 AM
Tweety concern troll for Obama
http://mediamatters.org/items/200712220002
The Obama people are probably rethinking their msgop strategy.
If you look at the history of the issue - Matthews is a big ole hypocrite with a very short memory.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 22, 2007 10:40 AM
whoa...... the GOP is going insane!
they are eating themselves......
(KGC and anon-paranoid should really love this)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/21/american-conservative-mag_n_77943.
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | December 22, 2007 10:49 AM
crap.... that link didn't work....
here's another link to the same thing......
and just think..... this is Patty Buchanon's magazine.....
http://www.amconmag.com/
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | December 22, 2007 10:51 AM
dex...I have stepped AWAY from the pedestal...quickly...and not even carefully!
Julia...I grew up in the deep south, too...Meridian, MS. Have an old friend who lives in Sumrall, MS, who's fully prepared to vote for Hillary if she's the Dem nominee, but just can't see himself voting for Obama. At least for him, race is more important than gender. And there's my sample of one....
Patsi...Enjoy your grandbaby! And that new roaster! I got one (roaster, not grandbaby) a few years back, and it's saved me on several holdiays so far. I love it!
Jamie...The JibJab was great! I will now send it to a bunch of email buddies....
dnd...Thanks for the winter felicitations! The best thing about today...to me...is that its' the shortest day of the year. After today, they start getting LONGER again! *doing a happy dance*
kgc...I'm SO happy to see you back here this morning!
And good morning to everyone else, too!
Posted by: harborwoman | December 22, 2007 11:12 AM
RebelRen...Isn't it fun to see the GOP in such high dudgeon over the mess they've made themselves with their religious right brethren!?! I'm with sturg...adds a special glow to this holiday season! Thank you for that link....
Posted by: harborwoman | December 22, 2007 11:15 AM
well folks, 17 days after my slip and fall i finally caved and saw a doctor. the darn ankle is broken in several places and they've got me on crutches and in a cast. wouldn't even let me have the ortho boot to hobble around on. if i can get back to DC looks like i'll be covering Iowa and New Hampshire watching TV and the internet like most civilians. oh well.
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| December 22, 2007 11:17 AM
"i finally caved" = Mom talked some sense into me.
Posted by: MadMustard
| December 22, 2007 11:26 AM
Good grief, Craig! You've got to take better care of yourself! Glad you finally saw a doc and got this thing on the road to actual healing.... (And, if it was your mom who made you do it...GO, MOM!!!)
Posted by: harborwoman | December 22, 2007 11:28 AM
Craig,
You wouldn't be able to get around Southern NH very well on crutches, anyway. The big story in Nashua paper today was that people have to walk in the streets because there is so much snow the sidwalks can't be cleared. We have had more snow this month than all of last year combined.
So enjoy your forced immobility.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| December 22, 2007 11:29 AM
Oh Craig I am so sorry your ankle is broken. Trust me walking on crutches in the winter is awful. It looks like we are in for a blizzard this afternoon so I will be housebound, too :( Get a wheelchair for the trip back to DC or stay and let Mom take care of you.
Posted by: zoey
| December 22, 2007 12:08 PM
Craig....... bummer!
but at least now you know what's happening.....
oh..... and I suggest you NEVER take up skiing...... :0)
Bowman...... I can't believe how much we've paid the plowman so far this year..... it's about equal to what we've paid for the last 2 yrs combined.....
went this morning to the local hardware store to buy salt for our water softener (something only rural folks with individual wells need)..... the gal at the register said the phone was ringing off the hook with people looking for roof rakes..... and that's where Rick is right now...... raking the snow off our roof before we get the big rain storm predicted for tomorrow.....
Jamie.... LOVED that jibjab..... HW.... you're most welcomed.....
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | December 22, 2007 12:24 PM
Mad,
""i finally caved" = Mom talked some sense into me."
"i finally caved" = Mom made me go to the doctor.
Posted by: dnd | December 22, 2007 12:48 PM
ha, you guys nailed it -- Mom would not let me come home from doing the Today Show this morning unless i stopped by the emergency room first. So we're both recuperating, she just got new batteries (a pacemaker) and i need a new foot. But the good news is that we're both quitting the smokes together. So Dad and David are now dealing with a couple of major cranks for Christmas.
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| December 22, 2007 12:49 PM
Cranky, you may be! But what a wonderful gift...for both yourselves, and for David and your dad! Congratulations on a fine, healthy decision! And good luck with it!
Posted by: harborwoman | December 22, 2007 1:02 PM
"But the good news is that we're both quitting the smokes together."
Wow! Good luck! And take care of that ankle....
Posted by: Patsi | December 22, 2007 1:04 PM
Sometimes you have to just get on your good foot...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wd5uBMqzHGs
Posted by: MadMustard
| December 22, 2007 1:04 PM
Craig....
the best of luck quitting cigarettes...... for both you and your mom....
my dad took 17 tries before he finally quit them for good..... about 20 yrs ago....
like any human being.... I'm no saint.... I have plenty of vices.....
but cigarette smoking was never one of them and after watching what my dad went through, I'm very thankful I never started.....
hope your dad and David have plenty of patience...... :0)
Posted by: RebelliousRenee | December 22, 2007 1:07 PM
NEW THREAD
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| December 22, 2007 1:20 PM
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