In the television world no one has been able to successfully counterprogram Oprah Winfrey’s ratings dominance, but in the political world this weekend Democratic presidential contenders Hillary Rodham Clinton and John Edwards are doing their best to undercut Oprah’s campaign swing for their rival, Barack Obama.
Clinton chose this weekend for her daughter, Chelsea Clinton, to make her first campaign visit to Iowa. And Clinton’s mother, Dorothy Rodham, will join them for a series of stops. It was a smart move not to counterprogram Oprah with another entertainment celebrity who probably could not compete with her appeal. Instead, Clinton's daughter-mother-grandmother trio, while lacking Winfrey’s star power, could tug at the heartstrings of older women and homemakers who are in Obama’s crosshairs this weekend.
The Edwards camp got a bit rough in trying to counterprogram Winfrey, setting up a conference call on Friday for reporters to interview South Carolina supporters who had some harsh things to say about the TV diva. “If you can build a school in South Africa, build one in South Carolina,” said Linda Dogan, a Spartanburg City Council member.
Still, the Clinton and Edwards campaigns are braced for an Obama polling boost in the wake of his Oprah barnstorming. Their hope is that, while the voting starts in just three weeks with the Iowa caucuses, the intervening Christmas holiday will help make this weekend a distant memory.

Comments
Good morning!
Posted by: harborwoman | December 8, 2007 1:01 PM
Wish I was in Des Moines. It's 25 degrees and snowing here. Time for some harborwoman chile!
Posted by: dnd | December 8, 2007 1:12 PM
dnd
It's 12 in Des Moines and snowing.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 1:17 PM
http://desmoinesregister.weather.gannettonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=WEATHER01&zipcode=50309
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 1:18 PM
Well I would rather be in a get together with the three generation party than shoved into some stadium with several thousand people.
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 1:20 PM
KGC, ok, I'm grateful to be here.
Jamie, why isn't Bill invited?
Posted by: dnd | December 8, 2007 1:27 PM
Bill is in South Carolina
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 1:32 PM
dnd, Girls day out - very smart. Besides Bill is in SC, I believe. He will be back in Iowa on Monday, I think. Also, Maryland Senator Barbara Mukulski making the rounds for Hillary. this weekend.
Posted by: zoey
| December 8, 2007 1:32 PM
Bill is campaigning in South Carolina, dnd
Posted by: Craig Crawford | December 8, 2007 1:34 PM
I don't know. He was doing appearances in NH. They may have him scheduled elsewhere to spread the assets.
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 1:36 PM
I just cannot understand the Oprah-attraction. I find her to be cold and self-serving, and I doubt her support will be a boost for Obama. When the sex scandal occurred at her school in Africa, she was furious and presented her response in a way that one could assume it was all about her, not much concern or apparent compassion for the alleged victims. I suppose Hillary's generational plan will be well-received, but I'm cynical about that, as well. It reminds me of a "Christmas letter", you know the ones that reveal all sorts of silly and sordid information about family members I hardly know and want to keep it that way.
Posted by: colleen | December 8, 2007 1:37 PM
Just read that the first lady of New Hampshire (who happens to be a doctor) has endorsed Hillary. That is a good one both for the political and health care positions.
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 1:37 PM
Bill his with his peeps in SC.
And given the Demographic make up of caucus attendees in Iowa, I would say Senator Clinton is with her peeps.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 1:38 PM
They've got BIll in SC doing damage control with black voters, while HRC and the gals try to stem the Oprah tide among women in Iowa.
Posted by: Craig Crawford | December 8, 2007 1:39 PM
TypeKey appears to be glitched out today, anyone else having trouble signing in?
Posted by: Craig Crawford | December 8, 2007 1:41 PM
Bill will sort of be doing a college tour of Iowa on Monday. He will be in Ames, Grinnell, and Iowa City with at least one other stop scheduled in the non-college town of Newton.
Posted by: zoey
| December 8, 2007 1:43 PM
This is a nit picky article but a really stupid mistake for the Clinton staff to make at the Presidential level. She needs a good office manager to nag at the staff indians.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22111927/#storyContinued
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 1:44 PM
I stay signed-in so don't have to deal with TypeKey, at least I haven't had to sign in again yet.
Posted by: zoey
| December 8, 2007 1:46 PM
Jamie, your dad sounds like the Ritz! Gotta love the larger than life characters of the world.
Posted by: Patsi | December 8, 2007 1:48 PM
ROFL!!!!!
"People were saying, 'It was like George Washington,' 'It was the Gettysburg Address.' I mean, it was unbelievable, the response I heard from the people in there that heard it today. Almost everyone said they were moved to tears." -- Ann Romney, the wife of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney, on the reaction she has heard to her husband's "Faith in America" speech.
Posted by: Patsi | December 8, 2007 1:54 PM
oh never mind, it was a caps issue with my password. back on TypeKey
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| December 8, 2007 1:58 PM
Patsi,
Reasonably sober he was wonderful. Unfortunately, until the last ten years of his life, he was rarely in that state. We finally got around to being friends again, but it took a while.
Amanada McBroom's "Errol Flynn" always reminds me of him.
http://www.rhapsody.com/-search?query=Errol+Flynn&searchtype=RhapKeyword
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 2:13 PM
Craig,
Only if you left the leg out of the water, but that position has been known to lead to drowning.
http://www.ehow.com/how_6046_treat-sprained-ankle.html
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 2:15 PM
Increasing incompetence and willful disregard for the law will cause Shrub to steps down with Cheeeney to save the goopers.
They appoint Romney who ends the eyerack war on the basis of their failure to meet management objectives and cost overruns. We'd like to stay he'll say but it's just not cost effective.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 2:29 PM
So what is everyone listening to today?
I've got Vince Gill's 4 disc "These Days' and Bob Dylan's Modern Times.
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 2:39 PM
I went downtown today. They had an ice sculpture contest going on today. I took pictures , but just with my cell phone camera. There were 4 ice sculptures: A bald eagle , a pig , a horse and a bear. The bear and the horse were pretty cool looking.
Posted by: Corey
| December 8, 2007 2:42 PM
Jamie,
Vince Gill, disc 2. Patsy Cline is next. I may need some bluegrass soon to cheer me up as it's snowing sideways here.
Posted by: dnd | December 8, 2007 2:44 PM
Happy Hanukkah, kids!
http://www.videoparodies.com/hanukkahheyya.swf
Posted by: Julia | December 8, 2007 3:28 PM
Jamie...listening to a somewhat eclectic mix of odd companions...the new Eagles CD, followed by Paul Potts and Josh Groban...will change discs soon. May put on some Ozark Mt. Daredevils, just for kicks....
Posted by: harborwoman | December 8, 2007 3:33 PM
Jamie,
I've just been listening to KIXI in Seattle. Something I'm pretty sure you clued us in to months ago.
Posted by: EdVB
| December 8, 2007 3:54 PM
Tim Williams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woUq-K18Fv4
Posted by: Dexter
| December 8, 2007 4:19 PM
ads...some, like Biden's, not on teevee yet..no dough for that..
http://www.slatev.com/li_dspot.html
Posted by: Dexter
| December 8, 2007 4:28 PM
CNN is playing the Oprah speech.
MSNBC - Out takes from "To Catch a Predator".
The only "all news" channel that goes home on weekends.
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 4:41 PM
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 4:51 PM
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/
Lynn Sweet is live blogging the Oprah speech
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 4:51 PM
C-Span 1 carryin it without commercials CNN broke away
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| December 8, 2007 4:53 PM
I am starting to find Obama's speech pattern annoying. It was cute at first, but I can't imagine listening to a State of the Union address. It would grate on my nerves as much as the current pRestdent.
Posted by: zoey
| December 8, 2007 5:03 PM
Obama is not taking advantage of this opportunity and is not providing good sound bites.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 5:09 PM
Zoey,
I agree. Lots of hyperbole. Little substance. I guess that's to be expected at a celebrity event like this. Obama's wife looks bored with the the whole deal. So does Oprah. The crowd's pretty jacked up though.
Posted by: dnd | December 8, 2007 5:12 PM
Mix of snow flurries, sleet & freezing rain. A lovely day. Now Oprah gets to go see Cedar Rapids.
Posted by: blueINdallas | December 8, 2007 5:12 PM
Oprah went through a list of the things he has supported since being in Washington. I would love to see a list of bills with all of the votes by all of the senators running for president.
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 5:12 PM
Obama's wife is one of the reasons I don't particularly want him in the White House.
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 5:13 PM
I understand what you're saying, Zoey, but NOTHING grates on my nerves more than listening to our current president...and he's earned that distinction with years of lies, inattention to very important national issues, and what appears to be a near-total disinterest in anyone other than the very rich.
Posted by: harborwoman | December 8, 2007 5:15 PM
maybe it's just me but I wonder if people that base their voting choices on what a celebrity tells them should really be voting in the first place
EdVB: the Banana Boat Song, I was surprised to find one of my favorite celebrities wrote that.
*Obama & Oprah? Too black.
*Edwards & Oprah? Too southern.
*Hillary & Oprah? Too lesbian.
Rudy & Oprah is balanced. Male & female, gay & straight, southern & northern, black & white (well..Italian is close).
too shamelessly self-serving?
Posted by: ran | December 8, 2007 5:17 PM
obama isn't my second choice
he probably isn't even in the top five.
I don't like the people who support him either
My choices are Edwards, Clinton, Richardson.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 5:21 PM
But dnd, this is the same speech I have heard over and over. The crowd seemed pretty jacked up at first and I suspect they will be at the end, but the crowd shots during the speech have been telling..a lot of them are bored.
This will dominate the news cycles for a few days unless something else happens. It is still early enough for someone else to come in and still the thunder of this event.
Posted by: zoey
| December 8, 2007 5:21 PM
blue,
I don't understand how it can be freezing drizzle when it's 12 degrees, but then again I'm not a meteorologist. Bet that makes for bad roads...
What I don't understand about Obama is that while he says he was raised by a single mom, he doesn't embrace the fact that his mom is a white woman from Nebraska. I'd think that'd play well, particularly with what Hillary is up to.
Posted by: dnd | December 8, 2007 5:22 PM
Kind of ironic for a guy who frequently votes "present" to talk about the need for people to stand up.
audio problems on cspan for me too
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 5:23 PM
dnd, the air aloft is warmer than the air near the ground. Ice crystals fall through the warm air and refreeze near or on the ground.
Posted by: zoey
| December 8, 2007 5:28 PM
Bad audio on C-Span for me, too.
My candidates are still...Edwards, Biden, Richardson.... Hillary and Barack aren't registering with me.
Posted by: harborwoman | December 8, 2007 5:29 PM
geez, c-span's audio making my brain split open -- time to ice down the ankle -- have a good night all
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| December 8, 2007 5:30 PM
my bad dog
I should have said I don't like the consultants and professional staff.
I did not mean just folks.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 5:39 PM
zoey & blue,
The reason I love this blog is not so much what people say, but what people say makes me think. And this time it's about the weather!
Posted by: dnd | December 8, 2007 5:40 PM
KGC
We are pretty close. Mine are Biden/Clinton/Edwards
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 5:47 PM
I'm Not There is getting great reviews. It's running 79% on Rotten Tomatoes
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/im_not_there_suppositions_on_a_film_concerning_dylan/
How could you not like a movie with all that Dylan music.
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 5:53 PM
from the ap story on the speech
it looks like they were preaching to the choir
"Terri Johnson of Urbandale, Iowa, lined up about two hours before the Des Moines event with three of her five children along. She said she had not been involved much in politics before, but was drawn to the rally by both Oprah and Obama.
``I would have voted for him without her, but it's nice to see Oprah,'' Johnson said, joking that she hoped Winfrey would have one of her famous giveaways. ``I'd love to get a car.''
Winfrey planned to continue her campaign swing Sunday to two other key primary election states - New Hampshire and South Carolina. "
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 5:56 PM
Tim Russert is interviewing Carolyn Kennedy Schlosburg. Nice childhood stories.
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 6:04 PM
Crawfordslist has empirical proof that celebrity endorsements do little to sway voters.
Jamie and I have both told you Biden is our #1, and I think the most we've accomplished is to have Harborwoman give him a closer look and move him to #2.
For those who may be unsure, in the above example, Jamie is the celebrity.
Posted by: EdVB
| December 8, 2007 6:06 PM
Ed...Biden's on C-Span 1 right now...old speech, but worth hearing....
Posted by: harborwoman | December 8, 2007 6:18 PM
Sorry,
The "celebrity" is watching Dr. Who and listening to Jimmy Buffet
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 6:31 PM
then I am going to watch Dr Who and listen to Jimmy Buffet as well
Jamie: was that you that voted twice in the poll? I figured either you or dnd were testing me :-D
Posted by: ran | December 8, 2007 6:34 PM
Follow Your Leader
On the poll it was probably me. I got confused on the various iterations of the poll as you were creating it.
It's either that or I have one person looking up to this particular opinion maker. :-)
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 6:40 PM
After hearing Robert Gates touting the administration's fantasy about Iran today, it made me wonder how this will impact Hillary's campaign. She was on the Armed Services committee that unanimously approved his appointment.
Posted by: dnd | December 8, 2007 6:49 PM
I listened to a few minutes of Oprah's 'speech' for Obama. All I could hear was how she talked, not the content. She sounded like a mix between Maya Angelou and a reverend.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| December 8, 2007 6:51 PM
Just when you think Tom Tancredo can't be any more racist, he up and does this. What a tool.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/08/tom-tancredo-boycotts-univisionspanish-debate-attacks-their-entire-viewership/
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: horsedooty | December 8, 2007 6:52 PM
Bob Gates isn't a bad guy and the committee probably thought he was the best they were going to get out of this President.
I've often wondered about being in a cabinet. I suppose you almost have to blurt out the party line or resign.
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 6:53 PM
Jamie, you're so right about M$NBC going home on weekends.
BTW, does anyone know if Dan Abrams is still management @ M$NBC now that he's back 'on the air'?
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| December 8, 2007 6:57 PM
Tancredo will probably get an hour of free time from Lou Dobbs during the Univsion Debate.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 8, 2007 7:00 PM
blue,
"dnd - And just what do you think about the weather?"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Qz5M4gtTvM
Posted by: dnd | December 8, 2007 7:03 PM
Jamie,
"I've often wondered about being in a cabinet. I suppose you almost have to blurt out the party line or resign."
If Gates had any integrity or ethics or honor, he'd submit his resignation. And then tell the public why. His shilling for the administration on Iran, after the NIE, proves his credibility and integrity to be seriously in doubt.
Posted by: dnd | December 8, 2007 7:08 PM
The weather? It was 80 today with 70% humidity and winds from the south, of course. No snow.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| December 8, 2007 7:09 PM
Well maybe we will get a good book out of him in 2009
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 7:12 PM
tiptoe: you can have my snow
Posted by: ran | December 8, 2007 7:19 PM
Gates is a Repub. It is to be expected that he lie.
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: horsedooty | December 8, 2007 7:22 PM
Thanks for the offer, ran, but NO. Been there....
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| December 8, 2007 8:08 PM
Battling a cold again. Tried to see a friend of mine 3 times the last 2 weeks and no luck. Dammit.
Posted by: Corey
| December 8, 2007 9:28 PM
hey Dylanophiles, Bob Dylan: Live in Newport 1963-1965 on PBS
check your local listings
Posted by: ran | December 8, 2007 9:34 PM
I saw that Dylan on PBS last weekend. Very excellent show.
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: horsedooty | December 8, 2007 9:53 PM
I did catch Obama for a while then cut out to a Chinese restaurant, the chef really ruined my ginger-garlic chicken and my tongue is still hurting from getting spice-burn.
Obama talks of change constantly, using preacher-cadence in his speech pattern.
I thought Huckabee was the preacher!
Obama promises a yearly COL increase in minimum wage.
He says he will end the war, but we all know the old story about the Russert question about 2013...Obama, Clinton, Edwards, none except Gravel and Dennis Kucinich commited to immediate withdrawal, with Richardson close.
He says his health care plan is better than the rest, when after all the hammering gets done, the plan the dem ends up with will be the same no matter who wins.
We all know a president can't just order minimum wages to be increased...there's a process to follow...it's like pulling hen's teeth to get it upped to any degree of actual living wage.
All the pausing, all the talking...Obama no longer has the allure he had years ago when he spoke at the Dem convention.
I heard the reknown Daniel Schorr on PBS.
He was asked the Oprah question.
Can she push Obama all the way up the mountain in Iowa and S. Carolina?
Schorr, a highly opinionated and respected journalist said:
"I will be fascinated to see."
We just don't know...Bill C , after all, was "the Black President".
Oprah attracts millions of white women viewers and they worship her.
I agree with Craig...Hillary is giving better speeches now.
So we'll wait and see , along with Daniel Schorr.
Fascinating, indeed.
Now...
"A Christmas Carol" 1939. Starring Reginald Owen.
The BEST Scrooge.
Mrs. Dexter and oldest daughter prefer the musical Albert Finney "Scrooge".
As a kid I preferred the "Mr. Magoo" Scrooge. It's odd how Magoo appeared in C-List twice in a few day span!
I'll give anyone a pass who prefers the Lionel Barrymore "Scrooge."
"London, more than a century ago..."
Posted by: Dexter
| December 8, 2007 10:59 PM
We have a special election Tuesday.
Paul GIlmoor, the rich man who was Congressman for us , in the northwest corner of the state, bordering Michigan and Indiana, but who lived on a golf course in Columbus, in a palatial mansion, died a while back.
Robert Latta, ultra-conservative pro-life repugg is runnig vs. Robin Weirauch, a female dem, who is pro-working class , and pro-choice.
Local polls have it for the repugg, 4-1.
See why I would rather live in NYC?
Anyway, I'll be at the polls voting for Robin.
Posted by: Dexter
| December 8, 2007 11:06 PM
Robin's photo:
http://www.actblue.com/image/small/1620
Posted by: Dexter
| December 8, 2007 11:07 PM
Dexter,
I'm with your wife on the musical, but of the dramatic versions, I love George C. Scott. He really nailed the darkness of Ebenezer. Of the older versions Lionel.
Posted by: Jamie | December 8, 2007 11:31 PM
my favorite Scrooge was Scrooge McDuck
horsedooty: damn, that was a great show on Dylan, substitute the US Constitution for Medgar Evers and the brown skin for the black and Only a Pawn in their Game could have been written yesterday
Posted by: ran | December 8, 2007 11:41 PM
The first time I saw Lieutenant General Raymond T. Odierno, Commanding General of U.S. III Corps, I immediately thought of Lord Voldemort from the first Harry Potter movie.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/tiptoe221/odiernovoldemort1.jpg
Is it just me? Is there a similarity?
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| December 9, 2007 1:13 AM
We'll make them turn their head
Everywhere we go...
THE best Ronettes song of all time follows, and
Phil Spector's Wall of Sound
kept Cousin Brucie in bizness at WABC
cuz kids like me couldn't get enough
of Ronnie and the girls.
Cousin Brucie on the radio of my buddy's dad's big Buick
as we cruised around the courthouse block a hundred times
with Ronnie beltin' that tune outta that Buick's speaker...
why, was that heaven...or was it just Indiana?
And on nights when WABC didn't come in , we had WLS and Dick Biondi on the mic, and all the rest of the time we had the best station ever, CKLW, on an island between WIndsor and Detroit, and all thier great disc jockeys, playin' soul and all that Berry Gordie Motown music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuItWrvmho4
Posted by: Dexter
| December 9, 2007 2:37 AM
those earrings were the only things I could save when the trailer caught fire........
Posted by: sturgeone | December 9, 2007 2:39 AM
Dex, I remember CKLW from when I lived in Detroit as a kid. Wow.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| December 9, 2007 2:43 AM
the great John R. and the Hoss Man.......
http://www.geocities.com/~jimlowe/wlac/wlacdex.html
and WCKY Jamboree, Cincinnatti......WOWO, Ft Wayne.....and some station out of Wheeling West Va.....
100 LIVE BABY CHICKS!
Posted by: sturgeone | December 9, 2007 2:45 AM
TT...there's tons of stuff on the 'net about CKLW in the old days, with Byron MacGregor "TWENTY TWENTY N E W S !!!"
, he'd bellow out, Grant Hudson, another great news reader...and all those disc jockeys...I was a huge fan of Motown and spent lots of my money on records by all those artist...after all these decades...I can say my faves were:
1) Sam Cooke
2) the late
GREAT
JACKIE WILSON!!
If you never saw Jackie Wilson, you missed the greatest showman I ever saw, this side of The Godfather of Soul himself.
Posted by: Dexter
| December 9, 2007 2:51 AM
sturgee...I lived real close to WOWO. Nowdays it's a goddam Rush Limbaugh station...all those assholes , and at night it only serves the local area...I live 60 miles away and it doesn't reach here.
Posted by: Dexter
| December 9, 2007 2:53 AM
this site is better for wlac......playing a cut.....
http://www.yodaslair.com/dumboozle/wlac/wlacdex.html
Posted by: sturgeone | December 9, 2007 3:02 AM
speaking of Jackie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epev3esCykM&feature=related
Posted by: sturgeone | December 9, 2007 3:30 AM
A new tagline: Trailmix, the blog that never sleeps. You guys amaze me.
The words from Hyvee Hall are kind of amazing, too. "Out of my pew." Oprah, you've made your billions being "out of [your] pew." Nice way to make a religious tie, lady. It's just sickening and I hope people were just looking for a little entertainment & will take into account Obama's lack of...absolutely everything needed to run this country with competence.
Oprah certainly has the right to speak, but she is so far up her own backside that touting Obama as one of her favorite things is just, well, just read the last line of this article...ahhh! She has some culpability here. One caveat: Remember A MILLION LITTLE PIECES, people.
"I would have voted for him without her, but it's nice to see Oprah," Johnson said, joking that she hoped Winfrey would have one of her famous giveaways. "I'd love to get a car."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071209/ap_on_el_pr/oprah_obama
Posted by: blueINdallas | December 9, 2007 7:32 AM
WaPo is running an excellent series on the background of the candidates
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801526.html?hpid=artslot
Posted by: Jamie | December 9, 2007 8:11 AM
John R and the Wolf Man in one of the best country lyrics ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzGx_XzxDeM
Posted by: Jamie | December 9, 2007 8:24 AM
George Lucas seems to have graduated a year after I did, but everything going on in Modesto looked awfully familiar for someone who graduated in 1961.
So where were you in '62?
http://www.sonic.net/~tdn/movies/graffiti.html
Posted by: Jamie | December 9, 2007 8:28 AM
This site is even more fun because of the links
http://www.loti.com/fifties_movies/where_were_you_in_62.htm
Posted by: Jamie | December 9, 2007 8:33 AM
I think Politico tilts right but if you sort through that bias this is an interesting piece on Obama and race. One of the uninteneded impacts of Oprah maybe to make him more of a black candidate.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7274_Page2.html
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 9, 2007 8:56 AM
Tonight on The History Channel at 9:00: 1968 With Tom Brokaw. It's the pivotal year that separates the America of the past and the America we live with now and is based on his book Boom.
Posted by: Jamie | December 9, 2007 9:59 AM
"This is a Nixon administration without the competence."
-- Joe Biden on "ThisWeek"
Posted by: dnd | December 9, 2007 10:08 AM
Renee,
I wrote a review of the book and of that year. It will be interesting to see the moving images and the people again.
http://jdurward.blogspot.com/2007/11/1968-year-that-changed-generation.html
Posted by: Jamie | December 9, 2007 10:51 AM
Bear
this comment is just for you from the atrios bog
"I was on a fucked up express train the other day and the guy next to me said, "Giuliani was a fucking asshole, but the trains ran better when he was mayor. But that was because the people running the trains were afraid of being sexually assaulted with a plunger or shot forty-one times."
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 12.09.07 -
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Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | December 9, 2007 10:56 AM
From what I heard of her it sounds like oprah has found out the difference between speaking in a tv studio and political stump speaking......
Posted by: sturgeone | December 9, 2007 11:06 AM
Is "Oprahpalooza" over yet?
Posted by: Corey
| December 9, 2007 11:06 AM
all rudi did on MTP was point out that he's made some pretty big mistakes.........
Posted by: sturgeone | December 9, 2007 11:09 AM
Why is everybody suddenly trying to sound like a southern preacher, fahchrissakes.......I even noticed old Pervez doing it......
Posted by: sturgeone | December 9, 2007 11:11 AM
Sturg,
Rudy's biggest mistake was going on MTP. He sounded like he was on release from a mental hospital.
He thinks the reason Iran stopped their nuclear weapons program in '03 was due to military pressure. In direct contradiction to the NIE.
Anybody who would have Norman Podhoretz as a foreign policy adviser must, by definition, be a paranoid sociopath.
Posted by: dnd | December 9, 2007 11:22 AM
Oh my God...this is (part of) what Dr. Dobson has on the web...
http://www.citizenlink.org/Stoplight/A000005834.cfm
Posted by: Patsi | December 9, 2007 11:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVygBcMeBJ4
Posted by: sturgeone | December 9, 2007 12:03 PM
Doc Severinson goes to high school......?
Posted by: sturgeone | December 9, 2007 12:16 PM
Sturgeone
They were so young and so very, very good.
Posted by: Jamie | December 9, 2007 12:20 PM
But I was so much older then.....I'm younger than that, now......
Jamie......it's amazing just how good they were.....and that with every step they took, they grew by leaps and bounds.......just amazing.......
Posted by: sturgeone | December 9, 2007 12:26 PM
Short update on Bull Dogger boy (jake reinhart) The daughter has text her mom after each round and the news is always the same. "Jake missed his steer". No time means no money. However, always the optimist, it is to be noted that the cowboys still have 7 days to go to make some big money. Hope springs eternal. Schedule conflict to night. NFR is live on ESPN2 at 7pm Central Standard Time.
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: horsedooty | December 9, 2007 12:28 PM
I am thinking that if I am sitting in a hot tub and a mountain lion jumps up on the edge of the pool, we gonna need to drain the pool and start with fresh water.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22164071/
yo soy Horsedooty!
Posted by: horsedooty | December 9, 2007 12:31 PM
Craig,
Will you be going to Nevada for their election?
Can we do Vegas again?
Love at the Mirage anyone?
Posted by: Jamie | December 9, 2007 1:29 PM
Borowitz on Obama and Oprah
In Speech on Religion, Obama Explains His Faith in OprahCalls Belief in Talk Show Hostess a “Personal Matter’
http://www.borowitzreport.com/
Posted by: colleen | December 9, 2007 1:42 PM
NEW THREAD
Posted by: Jamie | December 9, 2007 1:48 PM
The politics are getting meaner and more nasty. Strangely, it was Obama who started it on the Democratic side.
I like Barak, and I like Hillary. But I have been increasingly disturbed by Barak's attacks on other candidates, particularly Hillary. It isn't like no one else does this, but Barak was campaigning on the need for a "new politics", instead of all the usual attacks one sees in Presidential campaigns. He has apparently abandoned this goal after seeing his popularity figures dwindling and Hillary's skyrocketing. Here is the message:
"I have to say .. Obama has increasingly disappointed me. I really loved his keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2004, and also his call for a "new politics" when he announced his interest in running for President. But, when he wasn't getting the numbers he hope for, he went on the attack on Hillary particularly. I am a Clinton fan from the days Bill and Hillary were in the White House. I have also watched with great interest and hope with Obama's run for the Presidency. But his vicious attacks on Hillary has taken away the moral high ground he pledged to walk on.
I am still open to Obama, but I need to see less attacks on Hillary and a return to the "new politics" he has given us much hope to see in this election cycle.
Oh and one more thought. Democrats attacking Democrats only hurts the whole party going into the general elections. I wish it would stop. We can't afford another Republican President.
Posted by: Thomas Freeman
| December 12, 2007 10:37 AM
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