Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

me? whee!

yo soy Horsedooty!

Totally off topic: If you have a slightly wacky sense of humor, you might enjoy the "Savage Chickens" daily cartoons.

http://www.savagechickens.com/

Sometimes when Iread about Hillary and Obama I feel a shadow pass over and a voice saying,"This country will not elect a woman OR a black man -- not for a long long time." The YouTube "crush on Obama" thing was suspiciously like the racist ad run against Harold Ford here in Tennessee....and I don't think bigots are Southern-exclusive. Either candidate will face more ugliness than we've ever seen.

And what if Al Gore endorsed John Edwards?

I like the chicken site Jamie. I used to love the cartoon show called Cow and Chicken.

Patsi....
bigotry is part of human nature (I know.... I'm sounding like a broken record)...... so it's in every corner of the world.....

Jamie..... I LOVE those cartoons....

KGC.... I think if Al Gore endorses anyone.... it would be the BIG KAHUNA prize.....

Patsi,

I genuinely think that it could very well be the time for a woman or black, particularly on the female side. It's that Chinese proverb: When women wake, mountains move. It's just an idea whose time may have come.

The problem would be that the woman is Clinton - The intensity of the hatred for the Clintons by the ultra right, Billo watchers never ceases to amaze me. They were the same way about John Kennedy, and I'll be darn if I can figure out why someone could applaud an assassination or hope for one.

Someone should have posted a NEW THREAD.

Oh KC, polls polls polls. What are we to make of them? They are so meaningless at this point in time. But I am glad to know you are still riding that Edwards ticket, it does show a certain quality about you. But let me ask you a question. Out of all the Dems running, who would you not want to see become the Dem nominee?

If you are near Syracuse, look what is coming your way

http://www.destinyusa.com/

Craig Edwards is far more Kennedy like than Barak!

Reposting, since missed the change of thread:

Sr. Dooty: re Ashcroft waterboarding tickets:

I will take 2 tickets plz, spray range seating.

Will supply my own earplugs in event any of his Singing Senator Colleagues show as an opening act

For once I agree with Fry, somone should have posted "New Thread" *looks in Craig's direction and whistles*

I do think of Obama as the JFKesque candidate; guess it's the rock star quality others have noticed.

But Edwards is a good fit too. Possibly closer to the RFK legacy type.

Where is KC? Who is the Dem she would like least to be the nominee? What about you other Liberals, what Dem do you not want to see as the Democrat presidential nominee? And it has to be a D, don't tell me you'll take anyone over the R field, that is a given. This has to be from the D field.

FD

Gravel or Dodd

Luckily neither stands a chance.

Jamie:

"...They were the same way about John Kennedy, and I'll be darn if I can figure out why someone could applaud an assassination or hope for one."

I remember my dad telling me about a sort of "celebration" had by a few of his college acquaintences the week after JFK was shot. They went to someone's house and had drinks. Dad was aghast, didn't go, and decided that he couldn't remain on friendly terms with the revelers. I also remember reading an account of a very similar event in the Judy Blume novel "Wifey". Who would do such a thing? Those who felt threatened by everything JFK could do, and what he represented. Keep in mind this was back in the day when one could still chase one's secretary around one's desk, "coloreds" had to sit in separate waiting rooms, and those in power (guess who!) were VERY nervous about all of that going to pot.

It's evil, but I can understand their feelings.

yes dog, the RFK thing had a lot to do with my appeal for Edwards.

Of course for 2008 if they were among the last three candidates on earth and the third was a Republican, then I would have to vote for Dodd, or do a write in for Jack the Ripper as a better alternative than the R.

Repost from the last thread:

Fry,
At 12:49 you said:
"Back in March of this year Edwards was the front runner in Iowa with 31.3%. Since then he has slipped to 22.2%, and is currently in 3rd place."

At 1:23 you said:
"polls polls polls. What are we to make of them all? They are so meaningless at this point in time."

Ok, which one is it? Do they mean something or not?

Jamie,

Gravel? I thought he already dropped out. Dodd on the other hand should follow Gravels lead. Joe should pack it in as well as Dennis K. I would say Edwards but whats the use, you all believe for some very odd reasons he can walk on water. I like Richardson, because he acts more normal that the rest. Hillary and Richardson, that is the D's ticket..

Any democrat is better than any of those goopers

gee Fry you have a lot to say about the Democrats very little about the shining lights of the moveback party. I'm guessing you have thrown your lot in with the Buchanan family and are supporting Tancredo.

Fry could be right re Hillary/Richardson.

Brian: have you been to RFK's grave at Arlington National Cemetery? Extraordinarily well chosen speech excerpts.

About that reading for comprehension problem again. What gave you the idea that we are all Edwards' fans. Now Brian is die hard to be sure, but that's the only absolute confirmed I've noticed.

dnd,

Didn't mean to confuse you. Hey I am just playing the poll game along with the rest of you. The 12;49 post came from a national poll, the 1;23 post is what I think of these polls: They are meaningless at this point in time. That said, the one thing I firmly believe is Edwards will lose Iowa, NH, SC, Mi, any and all other primaries.

Except for the open senate seat in NM, I too think there is something to a vp shot for Richardson he brings a lot to the table...

Yes dog, major Bobbie fan here! I don't really recall JFK's assignation, but remember in detail Bobby's, my mother weeping as we watched the news. I also remember we had a house keeper who was a white woman from NC when King was killed, she applauded, the next day she was on a bus back to NC. I think my mother fired her more for her stupidity than racism. My god we subscribed to the NAACP newsletter, what could she have been thinking, standing up and applauding.

Ahh KC, I see you have decided to join the party. But you still haven't answered my question. Which D will you thrown under the bus? There has to be at least one that goes against your sense of Liberalism?

Jamie Harbor is a confirmed Edward's supporter. Fry burns with hatred for Edwards, haven't you noticed? Hating Edwards comes with the Ann Coulter stamp of approval after all. Like all good sheep, Fry follows his heard.

Then you're not paying attention. I've been in Edwards' camp for quite some time now.

fry I did answer your question at 2:11
I'm happy with any Democrat. Any of them even Gravel is better than any of those loons...and just to repeat myself. Who are you supporting...I'm guessing the Tancredo and the looney Buchanan family --you share a lot in common.

Which of course has a lot to do with me thinking Harbor is one of the wisest women I've met on the net!

KGC,
On MoJo this morning Richardson emphatically said that he wasn't running for veep. He'd rather go back to be gov of NM.

Thanks, Brian! I almost showed up too late to remind everyone of my support for Edwards.

Fry...I support Edwards because he's the only candidate who seems willing to acknowledge the hold big business has on this country via politicians who've been for sale for far too long. He openly expresses something I fervently believe...our system is corrupt. It will eventually destroy our country if we don't do something about it. Neither you, nor any of your ilk, will have any impact on his electability or relative success in his '08 run. You feel about him the way many of us on c-list feel about most of the R candidates. Your vitriol wears thin.

Oooooh, Brian...just read your 2:23 post, and wish to point out its poignant accuracy...about my wisdom, of course! (grins!)

KC this is where you are so weak. God no wonder you are a Liberal. I give up.

I don't hate Edwards, hell Brian I don't even hate you, so how could I hate Edwards. I will be hading out the Edwards crying towels come early January.

dnd
I think Richardson will end up running for the senate seat but I also think he would be a great addition to the ticket...much better than Evan Bayh or Tom Vilsack (boring imo) I
I guess Obama could ask Oprah.....

Fry
you are just a big whinny baby cause you got nothing on your side --not a single candidate worth anything...I guess the goopers know this is a loser of a year and the ones who are smart are leaving or keeping their heads down.

The recruitment for congressional seats is based on bank account --no wonder Willard thinks he can win.

if the Plunger doesn't win he can go to work for Cirque de Soillet as a contortionist ..who can answer the phone while twisting his position

And Fred and John --just out there in the wilderness eating each chance to win. Good job Mary Boxtox matalin.

the others are just plain crazy.

Concerning Edwards and the Michigan primary...I thought Fry would know this already.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071128/COL04/711280327/1001/NEWS

who would fry throw off the gooper bus....
who does fry support....

I think he is with Tancredo and doesn't like Romney

This is the first time I'll be voting in a Caucus since California is a primary state. In fact I talked to the County chair this morning to find out where to go on February 9. It will be something new. Afterwards I'll have some basis to decide which system is preferrable.

Jamie
Can't wait to hear what you think about this. How does the caucus work in Washington? Can you compare it to Iowa?

Richmond, VA area Entrepreneur of the Year candidate

From the Times Dispatch, account of hapless soon-to-be proprietor of a bed and breakfast.

Miss Harris purchased an 1850s federal style farmhouse encircled by small subdivision of newer homes; the majority of her neighbors are black.

Her first marketing proposal was festooned with Confederate flags. Told that was inappropriate, she redesigned her brochure.

She went with a lawn jockey instead.

She’s now settled on more neutral pineapple theme. For Southern hospitality.

She was also initially planning to call her B&B “Surrender Point”. Folks down there would have appreciated the constant reminder.

Can’t wait to see that breakfast menu.

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/search.PrintView.-content-articles-RTD-2007-11-25-0226.html

Do you think she's worst person in the world material?

Harborwoman could tell you more since she must have done it. So far all I know is that it is a really loooong process completely different from Iowa. There are three dates Feb 9, Apr 5, and May 17.

There seems to be a 15% rule in force at each stage. Other than that I don't know what to expect.

"Do you think she's worst person in the world material?"

At least finger pointing and hysterical laughter.

Jamie...I don't know much about the WA caucus process. I'm attaching a Q&A from Sam Reed that may answer kgc's questions....

http://www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/pdf/2008PP/PP%20MFQ%20Updated%20August%202007%20Final.pdf

More specific answers about WA Democratic Party Caucus process...

http://blogs.msdn.com/lauraj/archive/2004/01/22/61494.aspx

Shoot! Ignore my 3:27 post. It contains 4 year old information.

Here ya' go...current info....

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/WA-D.phtml

dog,
I have to agree with the finger pointing, hysterical laughter suggeston by jamie. When I was there 15 years ago, you couldn't have gotten away with anything like that anywhere in the city except out toward Short Pump, and even then, you'd be running a big risk of being viewed as omething like really stupid. Just out of curiosity, what part of the city is she in?

The Washington Primary is non binding. Only the Caucus counts for delegates. Now whether the results will be vastly different I don't know. The Country chair did confirm the first tier on Saturday Feb 9. I'm not sure about the 2/19 date in the secretary of state info. I'll find out more this afternoon.

Pogo: Varina is SE of Richmond proper, along Route 5 on the way to the James River plantations and Williamsburg. It's actually rather pretty and not too developed yet.

The real reason for Cheney's atrial fribulation:

http://www.denverpost.com/keefe

Hello harborwoman.

Thank you articulating your reasons why you support Edwards. And you did so without calling any names. WOW for this group that is a first.

I'll just say this about Edwards. He worked for a hedge fund and claims he didn't know what they did or how they operated. He was pretty much a do nothing Senator, and Kerry didn't want him as his VP. He belongs to one of the special interest groups out there, Trial Lawyers, and this is what I find most disturbing. When as a Senator he voted along with most D for the Iraq war, and only after he out of the Senate does he change is story. Plus he has never. never, never visited the troops. Hillary has, Biden has, Dennis the K has, Dodd has, Richardson has, Gravel who knows, Edwards never, never, never. And not to beat this dead horse any longer, when is he going to release his income tax returns.

Now if the secrecy of Bushco or Hillary concern you, this should let you know what to expect if Rdi gets the Repug nod then wins the general election.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/7073.html

How can this best be characterized? Ooohhh, ooohhh, I know - steal from the taxpayers, lie about the reason, then refuse to answer any questions about it. I hoe the youtubers got wind of this before the debate tonite, but I doubt it. Maybe Matthews will ask him about it the next time he has him on the show for a BJ -- nah.

that would be Rudi (not Rdi)

Fry, if you've read much here you know I'm not an Edwards supporter, but in Edwards' defense I really don't think he could have visited the troops - at least in Iraq - once he left the Senate, without extraordinary efforts, unless he was in the employ of Halliburton or Blackwater of course. I don't think Joe U.S. Citizen can go to Iraq for grins. I'm not sure, but I can't find anything that suggests that Rudi has visited Iraq, but this article cites Newsday in April reporting that he has not, and I'm sure there would have been coverage since then of him in a helmet and flak jacket if he had, and I haven't seen it.

http://www.noiraqescalation.org/press/news?id=0159

I wouldn't throw too much mud at Edwards on that issue if you plan to support Rudi for either the nomination or the presidency if he wins the nomination. We'll remember.

dog, that is a pretty area - and I hope it stays that way so I can retire down that way in a few years. Note to developers - go west.

I have yet to see who Fry supports or doesn't support for his team...I guess he is too ashamed to say even he cannot find someone to support

The Huckster just jot Falwells endorsement. I can't wait for Elmer Gantry to become a supporter.

Well, gotta take LP to his geetar lesson. Everyone have a good night.

pogo,
"Note to developers - go west."

But not past the Mississippi.

Did anyone know Alan Keyes is running for President again? I saw in the DSM Register today that he has accepted an invitation to the DSM Register's Republican Debate.

Okay I have been at work all day and can only sneak in and read your comments but never post to them. I believe it was RR who asked about the Republicans in Iowa and Mitt the Morman. I don't know all there is to know about the Republicans here but it seems like there are a lot of evangelicals, especially in the rural areas of the western part of the state. I can't see them supporting him in any fashion.

On a related topic, Senator Harkin introduced me to Mitt as we were waiting to march in one of the many 4th of July parades I hand out candy in. I don't know what the temperature was but it felt like about 120 degrees and Mitt was dressed all in black. He didn't break a sweat and seemed kind of creepy. Later I ran into him at the State Fair and he remembered me which, for some strange reason, really creeped me out. I have several friends who are Mormons and I like them just fine. They are definitely not politically active, though.

Zoey...
thanks for answering my wise ass question..... it was born of frustration that in 2007 we still question people's religion when they run for office....

here in NH, Republicans tend more toward libertarianism..... but there are some here who will not vote for Romney based on the fact he's a Mormon.....

I just wish we could get past this religious thing....
I guess that's just my denial of human nature...... :)

Since I am an undecided (uncommitted is actually the correct term, though some may say I should be committed) definite caucus-goer, why does everyone dislike Chris Dodd? I have seen and talked to him several times and he seems genuine and has the correct answers. What's not to love? Did I miss something?

RR - maybe in a generation or so we can get past the religious discrimination. I just don't know since I can't speak for the Republicans. The rural western part of our state is so very conseervative that I think the Huckster will do well there. Huckabee has a new TV ad out and he is starting to disturb me. For some reason I get the impression we are not seeing the true Mike Huckabee. I think Mitt would do better here if he was a Democrat.

Hi, Fry...I try NOT to indulge in name-calling...have never found it to be a technique that gets me very far if I want whomever I'm addressing to listen and seriously consider my point.

I read your post carefully...several times...and I think you might be overstating your beliefs about Edwards just a bit. That happens on both sides. We all tend to take whatever we perceive as negative about the other guy, then run with it, but it's often not nearly as big a negative as we try to make it appear.

Yes, he worked for a hedge fund. I'm not a fan of them, but I've accepted his explanation, just as those who support Fred Thompson have no doubt accepted his explanations of why he would act as lawyer for pro-abortion groups. As to his being a trial lawyer...yep, that's his occupation. In that sense, I suppose we're all members of special interest groups to some extent. But I can't see his being a trial lawyer as a negative...merely as his chosen occupation. And one that made him very wealthy. Good for him! I'm among those who think most attorneys overcharge wildly for their services (Thank God my soon to be sister-in-law doesn't read this list!), but I believe the bulk of his wealth probably came from defending severely injured individuals against large corporate entities with deep pockets and a herd of high-powered lawyers either on retainer or on their payroll...like the little girl whose intestines were sucked out by a swimming pool drain. I might fault him for happily pocketing millions in such cases, but I'll never fault him for defending people like that little girl.

I'm not nearly informed enough to tag him a do-nothing senator...but Thompson has been tagged with the same claim. Also, if Kerry didn't want him, why did he ask him to be his running mate? Merely because he was doing relatively well as a candidate? That's hard to swallow. And...as to his visits to our troops...what pogo said.

I'm curious as to which of the R candidates you favor at this point. Have you made a decision, or are you still weighing the field?

Harborwoman and Brian
You will like the video clip that is at the start of this thread:

http://www.bluehampshire.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2515

Thanks, Kathy! I enjoyed watching that clip!

I guess Bill's saying he was opposed to the war, pretty much means the same thing when he said he "didn't have sex with that woman"

God, I can't stand how Chris is ALWAYS going on about how he was against the war, saying just now "Joan you were with ME"- yes, he was questioning the war before the invasion, but not forcefully, and he backed off. I will never forget his fawning over Bush in his flight suit "lookin like a million bucks" on Mission Accomplished day-

Busy bust Crawdads, 2 threads full today.
I did catch the 4:00 am Abrams w/ Craig...i had forgotten what a major factor Ted Kennedy will play...all the talk is about Ted's new $8.5 mil advance for his book...all callers to the radio shows keep talking about the story that is water under the bridge---that's all they are concerned about.

Brian, I guess you prefer the Bush years to what Bill Clinton did for this country. God'a'mighty. What a putz you can be. With Democrats like you we don't need Karl Rove.

And yes....Fry, I am comfortable calling a putz a putz. And I'll call you a sexist pig.

This is for patsi, regarding her inner feeling that America will shun women and peoples of color for President. It is a question posed to a man I truly admire, Georgia Democrat John Lewis, a fiery civil rights leader.

"Do you think we will have a black president within the next 50 years?

Rep. John Lewis: I think the day will come. And much sooner than 50 years. That will be a man or woman who would deal with issues or needs that transcend race. But a person will emerge who will be the personification of the idea -- even the vision itself -- and that person will be able to get the majority of voters to share that vision with him or her. I think that day will come sooner than most people think. "

here's the link:

http://www.time.com/time/community/transcripts/1999/022399lewis.html

Gore and Kennedy are on the sidelines. My prediction is that they are going to wait. Because the top spot is still in play, they don't want to risk backing a loser. I'm not sure how they feel about Obama, but just maybe they think that he has not paid all his dues yet, to be the nominee for the Democratic party.

Nice clip Kathy, thanks for the link.

Patsi calling Bill Clinton on an obvious lie has nothing to do with preferring the Clinton years to the Bush years. And every time someone says something critical of the Clintons you becoming insulting and offensive. I realize as someone in the Clinton camp you expect everyone to goose step to your beat, sorry but I believe in democracy and freedom on thought and expression.

...I'll never forget when two brothers jumped up in class and started whooping and laughing and fist-pumping.
The occasion? Our principal had just announced JFK was dead.
The rest of us were sad, scared, confused, crying...I asked the teacher for permission to run home and bring back my radio...OK...so we heard the sketchy details then.
It turns out the two boys had a father who just constantly bad-mouthed Kennedy , and the dad had brainwashed the kids into thinking a dead Kennedy would be great.
The boys were 13 and 14 years of age, and in the same year in school for some reason. in our classroom.
I remember thinking their dad must have been a completely deranged a-hole.

Bowmanc:
Remember when Gore announced he was backing Howard Dean? Shortly after the wheels fell off the Deanmobile.

time for NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams

I was just thinking that endorsements may be more for the person giving the endorsement than the recipient. Oprah gets more attenting by backing Obama than if she said nothing, Striesand gets a small amount of publicity for backing Hillary, but would be invisible if she said nothing, Fallwell gets his name in the paper by backing the Huckster. Sure maybe these celebrities get some starstruck fan to support "their" candidate but they also get the huge ego boost of being an important power broker by delivering their minions. I don't want candidates to win based on who they can recruit, I want to hear their proposed solutions to the long list of problems. And if they are reluctant to deliver that information, then give me their guiding principles that they use in the decision making process.

And BTW Patsi it's exactly the attitude you display which is why Hillary is now slipping in the polls. We Dems don't like being dictated to or taken for granted. And a great many of us don't intend to vote for someone out a sense of nostalgia over what her husband did!

Bowmanc,
Amen to that.

Brian,
Bill Clinton is known less for what he did that who he did...

Me too dnd!

And Tweety fills another hour by bashing Hillary.

Jamie,
Tweety would bash his own mother if he thought it would boost his ratings. Don't enable him. Don't watch him.

I thought the Shuster piece on revisonist history was great ..tweety not so much.

Thanks Jamie and Harborwoman for caucus info.

Sorry Brian, you are a Hillary (read: woman) basher. I can find good things in every one of the Democratic candidates and find no pleasure in smearing any of them. You, however, seem to only love the guy with the fancy haircut....(see how stupid the low blow sounds?)

Tweety is insane
the liberal media did not promote Huckersterbee

Jamie,
Thanks a lot. Like slowing down to view a traffic accident, I clicked on Tweety. He and Chuck Todd were discussing Rudy, like two drunks in a bar. I lasted about a minute before I switched back to the local news. I think MSNBC should rename "Hardball" to "Meatball."

I'm weaning myself slowly. CNN is all promo for the debate tonight. I won't give up Olbermann for the first hour, but might check in for the last hour unless there is a CSI I haven't seen.

Just starting to read BOOM. It already has me hooked. If you are too young to have lived through the peak period of 1963 to 1974 it's well worth a read.

dnd

I don't think Tweety's show should be titled with any word that mentions balls.

Patsi more and more you sound like a FemaNazi. Any criticism of Hillary automatically means someone hates woman. Are you really that stupid that you believe that?

And BTW Patsi how about dealing with the point of my statement, Bill's really dumb lie about being against the war from the beginning?

http://www.brianarens.com/blog/chat.htm

The chat room is open for anyone caring to hang during the repug debate.

Brian (and Patsi, to a lesser extent): Knock it off. This is your mom talking. Save your blog-assault skills for a guiltier, party, both of you.

Jamie: what dnd said at 7:19. Find a better use for your time, or get paid for being a professional media monitor.

If you go Cold Turkey on Hardball for a month, I will GIVE you that book on Chicago and turn of the century madams.

Jamie: and I will gift wrap it, and send some homemade fudge too. Maybe lemon bars, if you are struggling in the last few days....

I think they should change the name from "Hardball" to "Dumbass".....but maybe that's just me.....

Somebody ask matthews was he against the war before or after Marlo's husband got fired with the highest rated msnbc show........

Hey yeah.

We should be the "Bring Back Donahue" team.

But mom she started it!

Unless anyone is bleeding, I do not want to hear another word about it!

dog have i told you about Wm Price Fox before?

"Patsi more and more you sound like a FemaNazi."

Rush, is that you?

See Mom!

Sturgeone: that's a familiar name, somehow. Think he's a SC writer?

Dog......yes......USCprof....one of the most hilarious writers who's ever lived......RUBY RED about Nashville songwriters.......SOUTHERN FRIED + 6, short stories about growing up in Columbia, and the most funniest DIXIANA MOON about a religious theme park on the SC-Georgia state line......

sand being kicked in Rudy's face by KO's posse.

I'm rooting for the sand.

Seeing Mitt and Rudy go at it on illegal immigration was like watching Jerry Springer. I'm shifting over to the NewsHour. Gonna listen to what Chris Dodd has to say.

Here's the truth. Bill Clinton was not making stuff up. I copied this from a WaPo blog...

On the eve of war with Iraq, former President Clinton said we should avoid war and seek a new U.N. resolution. Here's what he said in New York on March 14, 2003, less than a week before the war began:

He's finally destroying his missiles, so let's give him a certain date in which, in this time, he has to destroy the missiles, reconcile the discrepancies in what we believe is the truth on chemical weapons, reconcile the discrepancies on biological weapons, reconcile the issue of the Drones, and offer up 150 scientists who can travel outside of Iraq with their families for interviews. If you do that, then we'll say this is really good-faith disarmament, and we'll go on without a conflict. Now if that passes, however, then you have to be willing to take yes for an answer. You see what I mean? I'm for regime change too, but there's more than one way to do it. We don't invade everybody whose regime we want to change. There's more than one way to do this, but if that passes and he actually disarms, then we have to be willing to take it, and then work for regime change by supporting the opposition to Saddam Hussein within and outside Iraq, and doing other things.

Posted by: jesuscastillon | November 28, 2007 12:37 AM

Dex Bill handled the war like he handles everything, tried to find the most politically conveint spot on the fence and perched himself on it.

Dex,
Don't believe everything you read on a blog.
Except this one...

Im pretty sure Bill Clinton would not broadcast that he was against the war in Iraq unless he could prove it........he's pretty slick, you know......which means: Not Stupid.

Anderson Cooper's having a rough time, trying to control these rowdy Republican candidates....

come join chat Jan.

Sturg,
"Im pretty sure Bill Clinton would not broadcast that he was against the war in Iraq unless he could prove it........he's pretty slick, you know......which means: Not Stupid."

With all due respect, those of the slick persuasion feel that they can get away with anything.

Slick Willy said he was for the war in Time magazine.

sturg he would repsond with answers like "well removing Sadam was a good thing".

May I recommend one more book? It's one I read year round.....a little at a time, and when I get to that half sentence at the end I start over.....It has, simply by my giving it to them, contributed to the choosing of "History Major" by at least 3 young persons of my aquaintance.......($27)....It may sound off-putting, but if you have never read it there is a black hole in your initellect......

I know you both know enough to know you half to really read the sense of Bill's words....it's crazy, I know, but it depends upon what the meaning of "is" is.....and such

"have" not half, fahchrissakes.....

Sturg,
"but if you have never read it there is a black hole in your initellect......"

If you're interested in black holes, read "Gravitation" by Misner, Thorne and Wheeler.
http://www.amazon.com/Gravitation-Physics-Charles-W-Misner/dp/0716703440/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196301162&sr=8-2

Caution, this is not a layman's text.

jesus christ.....125 bucks??

the black hole i speak of is a historical one....kids used to be taught this crap, but no more.......this is a simple history of a 27 yr war......

Sturg,
"I know you both know enough to know you half to really read the sense of Bill's words....it's crazy, I know, but it depends upon what the meaning of "is" is.....and such"

Huh? Non capisce.

"jesus christ.....125 bucks??"

It's the Bible of gravitational physics.

All the grief in the world and here I am , happy as a clam...KMart had Diet Rite, A&W Root Beer, and Seven-Up for 79 c a 2-liter, limit ten. I bought ten.

Ok....I'll save up and get it....but physics got nothing to do with history.....

Sturge,
"but physics got nothing to do with history"

Of course not. At least not cosmology.

But I'm curious, what's the name of the historical text you recommend.

Thucydides' History of the Peloponesian war. and now that i think about it, Xenophon's ANABASIS

http://www.businessinnovationinsider.com/images/2006/06/Smoking%20bozo.jpg

Huckabee won this debate.

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a little post debate edwards boost,, one of the undecided Repulbicans said she is leaning towards Edwards

Just watched the debate. Yes, that'd be the Republican debate and LMAO! Those old farts! Don't trust anyone over 55 especially if they're a repub.

Funny to see them trip over their tongues and babble on and Romney WAFFLE all over the place.

Ron Paul sounded the best of the lot.

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Yes, KGC, that was REAL good to hear about Edwards.

:-)

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Yeah I saw that too, was funny when she couldn't pronounce Rudy's last name too!

The whole thing was funny. None of them are 'real' people. Less 'real' than usual, IMHO. It's SO obvious that they're jockeying for position and whatever they think the repub's wanna hear. Especially that Romney guy.

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BTW KC I'm willing to bet you 100 bucks (we can have Jamie hold the money for us, I'd suggest Sturg but he'd blow it all on beer and smokes) that Huckabee will be the repug VP nominee.

Hey......for a C note i could squeeze in a fair bottle of scotch......

not to mention the bottle of mid-grade Chateau neuf du pape........

Actually it would be 2 C notes Sturg.

Now y'all are talking Champipple.

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Ok two C's .....i can endure any sacrifice you have to make......

For two C notes you better expect to leave without your virtue intact!

How quaint....intact virtue.....what a concept......

Yeah I realized that too after I hit the submit button, silly me.

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Boy, McCain, the unabashed Iraq War lover, handed Romney his ass!
Time to vent: I HATE Romney and McCain...it got so bad that towards the end of Imus/msnbc, when McCain came on with his war-praise, I'd switch to SportsCenter.
But I cheered the man when he put that g'dam Romney in his place over waterboarding.
And even though I can't agree with a damn thing Huckabee stands for, he makes me laugh.
He opined on a manned Mars launch and said he'd love to send Hillary to Mars.
I bet old Hillary got a real deep belly laugh outta that zinger herself!

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What's the point sturg?

Point?

homina homina homina..........

However, Romney sent that redneck kid ,with the Stars & Bars hanging behind him, in his place.
By the way...if that flag means different things to different people, here's what it means to me:
That damn flag means Birmingham, September 15, 1963,...... Memphis, Selma, and the Edmund Pettis Bridge. It means Rosa Parks getting shoved to the back and it means "Colored Only" "Whites Only" bullcrap. And bullwhips. It stands for hatred.

thank you Mr Dex....I could not have said it better myself.....I rode the roads between charleston and birmingham 2 or 3 times every year between 48 and 60......i saw it all....it was ditch ugly.......

Interesting, Dex. For me it stands for pick-up truck driving, shot gun totting, ignorant, red necks.

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here's the photos I CANNOT shake from my memory...

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Two things:

first would all the yahoos using this as their party line please get a life and talk outside?

Second, Craig seems to have a point.

Kennedy may well have clout among the type of person who would go out into the Iowa winter in January to participate in a Democratic Caucus.