Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Woo for Obama.

Reposting:

Hello there.

C-Span 1 is airing DNC fall meeting live all day; Richardson, Edwards and Obama spoke this morning.

Meeting resumes at 1:30 with Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Bill Ritter (convention host), Dennis Kucinich, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.

Dodd could not attend.

First 3 speeches were excellent, and they're running the meeting snappily.

Would expect C-Span might rebroadcast over the weekend, but if you have a chance to catch it live...

Look, Hillary's taken beaucoups of bucks from Big Healthcare and Insurance.

Yes, she will likely come up with some kind of plan (and Americans are past ready for better healthcare access) BUT who knows if it will actually provide better and more efficient services or just enroll more people at the insurance "providers" trough.

from Digby:

The chairman of the Republican Party of Arkansas called Wednesday for state Sen. Denny Altes, R-Fort Smith, to apologize for e-mail comments attributed to the Senate GOP leader by a television station.
[...]
In the e-mail on the television station’s Web site, the message attributed to Altes states that he’s for “sending the illegals back but we know that is impossible.

“ We are where we were with the black folks after the revolutionary war. We can’t send them back and the more we p *** them off the worse it will be in the future. So what do we do,” the e-mail states. “I say the governor needs to try to enforce the law and sign the letter of understanding... and at least we can send the troublemakers back. Sure we are being overrun but we are being outpopulated by the blacks also. What is the answer, only time will tell.”

These aren't health care plans. They're health care triangulating. And as dog said, bones to the health and insurance industry.

Edwards, Kucinich and Richardson have health care plans.

Patsi,
Apparently Digby doesn't get it that the Hispanic population is the largest minority (and possibly soon to be a majority). I guess old prejudices die hard.

Rudee's defense against the Times story is the appearance of the truth is better than the truth.
Sounds a lot like the Tweety mantra of the spin well spun is better than the truth, No wonder Tweety likes Rudee. They are both shallow losers who will say or do anything to be liked.

The issue is Obama's truthiness...and it looks like hw would not do well on the truthiness-0-meter.

dog, as long as the legal climate for malpractice is what it is, no plan designed to pull more Americans into covered healthcare can hope to provide better and more efficient services. A report came out this week talking about the increased cancer risk, especially to children, of CT scans that aren't medically necessary. Those scans are done largely as defensive mediicine to avoid a failure to dianose and treat suit if there is ANY suggestion that an injury/illness exists that might be revealed with a CT scan instead of other, less harmful methods. That's just one example - the other, less harmful,but not medically necessary tests are also done at ridiculously high rates in no small measure to avoid liability for failure to diagnose. Any such medical prograam willhave to get through Congress, and is unlikely to look much like anything the candidates are saying they would support anyway by the time the senators and congressment in the pockets of big med and big pharma get done with it.

A digression to the prior thread - Bills comments about his lack of support initially for invading Iraq are only the kind of apparent contradiction that the media makes hash of these days. Assume he did oppose going into Iraq - he wasn't openly critical of Bushco back then, more or less taking the position other former presidents have by not speaking ill out loud of his successor. Bill certainly knows the importance of backing the Pres in military decisions, and he did that after the decisions were made and implemented. Ain't no different than supporting the troops but opposing the war. IMHO, this is just a dishonest effort to try and discredit Bill and make the mud thrown at him stick to Hillary.

dnd -- Hope I didn't accidentally misrepresent Digby....that website just posted the story to demonstrate how racist the Repubs are when they don't think they'll be caught.

C-Span 1 is rebroadcasting Edwards' speech from this morning.

If anyone's interested, FishbowlDC has some pics of last nite's CQ party at the Carnegie Library up on their site here:

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/

You may have to scroll down a bit to view, but there's a pic of Craig (it's the last one). XD

Craig: once again my apologies for spamming your blog. also would you be open to the idea of linking to our poll in your blogroll? (assuming that we get enough participants).

I put a little more info here http://isleofran.org/poll.htm
so everyone can get a general idea of what it is we are trying to get going.

also, FryDaddy, zoey, jameson, Clemmieo, tomt and others I probably missed, you are cordially invited to become members of the Map to Crawford's List Stars http://isleofran.org/clist.htm (also on Craig's blogroll), if you are so inclined
you can send an e-mail to mapkeeper at isleofran dot org for details.

Roger Smith, former General Motors Chairman has died.

Wonder if Michael Moore will serve as a pallbearer.
(You gotta admit, he should at least send a contribution in memory!)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/01/business/30cnd-smith.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

pogo,
"IMHO, this is just a dishonest effort to try and discredit Bill and make the mud thrown at him stick to Hillary."
There are audio/video/text reports of BC back then saying he supported the war in Iraq. So it's not dishonest. Bill lied. Wouldn't be the first time...

But I agree this hasn't much to do with Hillary and her position(s) on the war. It's just something for the lazy MSM to cackle about.

I'm off for my weekend. Concert at the Palace of Aunburn Hills tonight. Have a good weekend all!

C-Span: DNC meeting: just announced that Senator Clinton will not appear later this afternoon because of a "hostage situation" in New Hampshire involving one of her staffers. Said Sen. Clinton is "dealing with it" at this time.

What's up with that?

Is Fox reporting Hillary is holding someone hostage?

CNN reporting alleged armed gunman with bomb in Clinton's Rochester, NH campaign offices.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

dnd, there are also clips of him saying he wouldn't do it that way, would have let the inspectors do their jobs. Were those comments supporting the Iraq invasion before or after Dumya publicly announced the invasion of Iraq?

Is the gunman wearing an Obama or Rudi t-shirt?

Yeah, Pogo, I was wondering that myself.

Conventional GOP may hope it's a gunman for Ron Paul.

Katherine Graham Cracker,

Do get upset, but are you and Frydaddy secretly married to one another. You 2 fight like you are. Or is it that you 2 were once married and just despise one another Between the both of you, I think you posted about 50 messages back and forth yesterday. Wham, bam, &%@$&%

LOVE Jameson's comment!!

pogo,
"Were those comments supporting the Iraq invasion before or after Dumya publicly announced the invasion of Iraq?"

Well, kinda both. Recall Clinton had us bombing Iraq in Dec '98 after he pulled the inspectors out because Saddam wasn't cooperating. But he applauded W's invasion.

Jameson
sounds like you agree with Fry

Boston Globe on Clinton NH office hostage situation; 2 campaign volunteers may be held. Obama (4 doors down) and Edwards offices evacuated.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2007/11/hostage_situati.html

Word is that the hostage taker is a plant from the Hillary campaign.

KGC: think Jameson's tongue firmly planted in cheek.

Although if he compares you to Mary Matalin, you do have my permission to slug him. Them's fighting words.

Afternoon peeps, wow hostage crisis in a Hillary campaign office.

Katherine Graham Cracker,

Sorry that was suppose to be Don't get upset, not DO get upset. Yikes!

KGC, Me thinks thou doth protest too much w.r.t Jameson's comment. ;-)

Alert Dex: think Kucinich being introduced for speech to DNC. C-Span 1, Live.

whatever you say Mom..

Saw this on come over the wires. Looks like things are getting a bit tough out there these days. A hostage situation at HC's office in NH.

http://wbztv.com/topstories/local_story_334132330.html

Good neighbor news: kudos to the kitten rescuer and the wonderful staff at Silko Honda who rescued this kitten (from its hiding space in a car dashboard) a second time; 5 hours free labor to do so.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2007/11/injured_kitten.html?p1=MEWell_Pos1

Hey Dog

What's Happening with Dog's Impeachment Party.

"I took no pleasure in going to the well of the US House and calling for impeachment action against the Vice President."

paraphrase from Dennis K's speech.

Well, I enjoyed his doing so!

For Dog's Impeachment Party: I am supplying chicken curry ball, Domaine Chandon blanc de noir champagne and a cheese and fruit tray.

What else is coming?

dnd, seems he was vascillating on his prewar position after the war commenced, but I have yet to find anything other than support for the resolution even after the invasion, and he clearly said on numerous occasions in the months after it that he would not have proceeded inthat manner.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/11/bill_clinton_i_opposed_iraq_war_from_the_beginning.php

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=4406

But then again - he said in the same timeframe he supported it

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11292007/postopinion/editorials/same_old_bill_71062.htm

Essentially, he was all over the place in the months following the invasion.

TY Dog.
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I don't agree with dnd . dnd, you make it sound like Bill lied constantly.
The truth is, Clinton followed 41's lead and never went into Baghdad and blew the country up.
As a former prez, his role changed 100%.
It was not his place to go and scream and pound his shoe on the table and say we shouldn't go into Iraq.
He did say we should not invade Iraq , at least until Blix, et al. were finished.
Do remember this: Bush rushed to war before Blix was done, because he was determined to go into Iraq before he stole the 2000 election.
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Giuliani is finished in NH...he can't win there with these latest revelations out there (last thread).
Romney is a shoo-in to win NH, and if Huckabee really does win IA, Rudy is finished, period.
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Obama just keeps tripping himself up. HRC will dissect him...vivisect him,even.
I like HRC's plan better, personally...I think. I only try to absorb the fluffy stuff from most issues this early, except the war in Iraq.
By the time our primary rolls around, we will all know who both nominees will be. ho hum for most primaries.
Where's Oprah?
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And the bastids cancelled Journeyman...the ONLY network series I watch !

Yeah, it's time for the media to focus on timing of the Iraq War resolution; Rove/Bush/Cheney insisted it come up before the 2002 elections because they wanted it as a campaign issue.

That's a big deal.

I'll bring some wings (left only) and some crud-ities.
and to add to the cocktail bar --ingredients for sidecars

odd, a comment of mine is being "held" hostage for approval by the blog owner (Craig?) Maybe because it has 3 links? Craig, my boy, WTF?

Joe Biden being intro'd now at DNC meeting, C-Span 1.

He's promised to institute impeachment proceedings against Bush if W goes into Iran without congressional approval. Suspect that will come up in speech.

Dex I disagree with you. It is the job of a former prez and any American to scream and stomp when they see their country entering into a immoral and stupid war. I for one am glad neither Jimmy Carter or Al Gore take your stance on this.

Dex,
"dnd, you make it sound like Bill lied constantly."

Sorry. I didn't mean to convey that.

"The truth is, Clinton followed 41's lead and never went into Baghdad and blew the country up."

Um, no.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html

Hey folks, for those of you who missed it, there are hyperlinks in ran's 1:50 p.m. post re: a short poll he and a few others of us are putting together to poll Craig's bloggers on the election - should be interesting to see how accurate we as a group are at predicting who'll win, etc. Go up there and click on it and let ran know you're interested.

Just caught the left-chicken wings comment, KGC. LOL.

I really don't understand all this talk about impeachment. Bush has 13 months left in office and if the Democrats go down that path it will consume what time they have left to do some work for the people who elected them into office. It may sound tempting but I believe this will cost us seats come 2008.

dnd, seems he was vascillating on his prewar position after the war commenced, but I have yet to find anything other than support for the resolution even after the invasion, and he clearly said on numerous occasions in the months after it that he would not have proceeded inthat manner.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/11/bill_clinton_i_opposed_iraq_war_from_the_beginning.php

But then again - he said in the same timeframe he supported it

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11292007/postopinion/editorials/same_old_bill_71062.htm

Essentially, he was all over the place in the months following the invasion.

I took one link out and reposted, above. Here's the omitted link.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=4406

The police asked the media not to broadcast live pictures so instead, msgop's contemptible Brewer describes the scene for the audience including the arrival of an armour truck with a lot of men

Brewer to some police clone: are they getting ready for the end? yeah they are being helpful and they were speculating on Clinton's failure to cooperate.....?
losers

pogo,
hillaryhub.com is a domain registered to the Hillary campaign.
I'm speculating that their perspective and views may be a little bit biased.

Hillary is going to win because neither Obama nor Edwards has enough guts to call for govt-financed universal health insurance, like they have in Canada.

If the Dems had any brains they would do it but they're still afraid of being called "liberals."

dnd: I remember when Clinton bombed Iraq. That was not in any way close to what Bush did, is it?
Shock and Awe started a war that has killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis by now, destroyed the infrastructure of the country, and ruined the US miliitary's strength, and destroyed the morale of the Reserves & National Guard's strength and readiness.
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Brian: Al Gore and Jimmy Carter AND Bill Cinton were opposed to Shock and Awe and the aftermath...the continuing of the drain of US resources in financing this war.
As a recently retired president, though, he no longer had the stage...if he called news conferences people would just say "sour grapes" and MSM would call him a damn old fool...you know how it goes.
CONGRESS should have stopped Bush! People like Hillary Clinton have to be held accountable for the carnage, and Obama, too, for constantly funding it.
Bill Clinton had no semblance of a bully pulpit in 2002-2003.
On a minor note, I am still waiting for Bill Maher to say he was wrong for applauding Bush right after Shock and Awe, after saying it was wrong to march to war, Maher said "I have to admit it...I was wrong, Bush was right!" I have detested that weasel Maher ever since.

Dex I think you're being too generous to Bill, and Al Gore was one of the few voices who was opposed to the war from the very beginning and rather vocal about it too!

Jameson,
"I really don't understand all this talk about impeachment."

If Bush is guilty of "high crimes or misdemeanors" it is the Senate's constitutional obligation to establish articles of impeachments, no matter how politically inexpedient it is. No one is above the law.

Any other motivation is complete BS and counterproductive to the American people.

The hostage take is a Ghouliani supporter

dnd: S.R. Sidarth, George Allen's buddy "Macaca", has joined the Richardson campaign. He's in Santa Fe office, compiling media clips and doing media-related stuff. No videoshadowing of candidates at this time.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/11/29/post_219.html

The evils of socialism: Candians have better health care than we do, at lower cost.

The wonders of capitalist market efficiencies: every year the cost (% of GDP) of U.S. health care goes up, and the quality goes down. Meanwhile, the health care corporations declare rising profits and the corrupt slobs in Congress have high-quality 100% free govt-financed health care.

And the dummies who keep voting Republican really believe that we have "the best health care on Earth."

Dex,
"dnd: I remember when Clinton bombed Iraq. That was not in any way close to what Bush did, is it?"

No argument there. My point, poorly I stated it, is that immediately after W invaded Iraq, and it had some popular support, Clinton supported it. Then he changed his mind. No problem with that. The issue is that he stated that he was always against it.

Appears hostages have been released; hostage-taker (still in offices) reported to be older male with history of mental illness.

Well, maybe he'll be poster child for mental health care parity.

dog,
"dnd: S.R. Sidarth, George Allen's buddy "Macaca", has joined the Richardson campaign."

Thanks for the info. Verrrrry interesting...

Richardson/Hagel '08

Here's the troubling (to me ) part. Years after Shock and Awe, and all the apparent wanton carnage, the American public voted this war mongering crusader back in office. In some ways I guess Americans are just "Good Germans"...and that is painful to acknowledge.

re: Mad bomber in Hillary's NH offices.

I'm not surprised. There's LOTS of ultra extreme right-wing nuts in NH. Real loony-toons types. John Birtch Society members, tax resisters, secessionists, flat taxers, militia/minutemen, gun nuts, etc.

pogo, just freed your comment, dunno why that happened

...and I wouldn't board a MD-80-Series jet on a bet!
I'll fly Airbus or Boeing only.

I'd give the "Good Germans" more of a pass than Bush's die-hard 30%, unless the Germans had a relatively recent historical precedent to have learned from.

There are a lot of people who scare quicker than they learn.

Dex: "The American Public" is actually fairly bloodthirtsy, greedy, racist, environmentally destructive, etc. We don't like to admit it, but that's how most of the world sees us these days.

Remember when foreigners used to say, "We don't like your government policies, but we like Americans." That's no longer true. Now, they dislike US, too.

Nash: yup. I've not been abroad since 2004 election, but would expect to have some 'splaining to do in a political discussion.

I think they realize that about half of the voting public did not support Bush. Just that too many yahoos and fat cats did.

Dex,
"..and I wouldn't board a MD-80-Series jet on a bet!
I'll fly Airbus or Boeing only."

Stay off those old 737s too. As told to me by a friend who is a commercial pilot.

If the Clinton Campiagn staff had all been carrying guns, they would have shot the bomber and that would have been the end of it.
-The NRA
(Always ready with helpful advice in times of crisis.)

dog. I Iive 10 miles from the Canadian border and talk to Canadians frequently. The general consensus over there is that the USA often exhibits violent fascist tendencies (war of imperial conquest in Iraq, secret CIA prisons, fixed elections, etc) and they worry about that.

Yeah, nash. They should close that Southern Border!

Romney campaign has ordered all the exterior doors of their campaign office locked....but I think it is to keep volunteers in.

dnd, I'm aware the Hillaryhub is Hillary's and of course it is biased. It was linked in the TPM article. The quote is the quote, though. I don't deny that Bill appeared to be on both sides of the issue after the invasion. WE lawyers love to run across things like that so we can ask "Were you lying then or are you lying now?" Problem is, in Bill's case he could answer "Neither and both."

Craig, thanks, but it don't matter - I figure it's some 3 link rule buried in the server code or somelthing like that. No worries, look at my 2:52 & 2:53 comments end running the comment held hostage situation - will look a lot like the 2:39 one you released, but in 2 bites instead of one.

Good call on the MD80s - I spend way too much time on jets and those and the 737s are my least favorites (usually cramped seating and worn out cushions) - followed closely by CRJs.

The hostage taker in NH probably does not have a bomb. Most of these wing-nuts don't have access to explosives. It's probably just highway flares and scraps of wire. Of course, the SWAT team will have to act as if the bomb is real. The guy does have gun, though, so people are in real danger.

dog: What do you call an illegal immigrant from Canada? An "iceback."

KGC: As an added security measure, Romney immediately rushed his five wives to safe locations.

By the way, did you hear that Giuliani is doing "anti-Mormon" push polling in NH? (No joke.)

Dog, dnd

I haven't read Clinton's healthcare proposal, but she did say a few days ago that it was similar to France.

Unlike Britain that has full government healthcare paid via taxes, several of the European countries do have "universal" healthcare but still have insurance companies. The way that it works is that the companies must negotiate with the government for a basic insurance policy. All companies must offer this policy and everyone must be enrolled either in that policy or another one that might provide other services (i.e. private physician specialist). All employers must cover their workers or pay the government to cover under the govt paid plan. If individuals are unemployed, they are covered by the government (similar to medicare).

It is considered a middle position that does not drive health insurance companies out of business immediately, though more and more people steadily transfer to the government as payer plan.

When Obama says "Mandated" it is this aspect of forcing everyone to be covered by at least the basic plan through personal payment, company payment or government payment.

geeez.... I got home about an hour ago from visiting my parents and couldn't believe the news when I turned on the tv......
Rochester is a nice little town and I have a good friend that owns an arts and crafts gallery on Main St...... I sell lots of scarves from there.....

yeah..... lots of nutjobs do live here..... but Nash.... when the wind is blowing in the right direction, you can spit into Maine from Main St Rochester.....maybe it's one of your nutjobs...... :)

Did anyone hear the Biden speech where he threatened impeachment if Bush dared to do anything to Iraq without the approval of Congress? Heard about it second hand.

Nash

How did they id the polls as coming from Giuliani?
I liked the theory that Mitt had sponsored the pushpolls.

Do people in NH care about religion. I would think if they did, Hucksterbee would be in more than 4th place.

The mad bomber in NH has a "history of mental illness." (His car has bumper stickers for Bush 2000 and 2004.)

KGC: Perhaps the mad bomber is secretly a Clinton campaign worker. Good sympathy factor, candidate gets to act strong by "refusing to negotiate." Might help in Iowa.

kc, I knew it was either a Rudi or Obama supporter!!!

LOL at the Romney campaign HQ comment.

Jamie:
re: Biden
I think you meant Iran, not Iraq.

"there's a pic of Craig" Hmmmm Fearless leader may have been hitting the campaign junk food a bit. Unless that is a bad angle, it's time to hit the gym.

Jamie,
"When Obama says "Mandated" it is this aspect of forcing everyone to be covered by at least the basic plan through personal payment, company payment or government payment."

That's Hillarycare.

Neither Obama or Hil's healthcare is much of a plan and benefits the for-profit insurance companies. Skinny Dennis would keep the govn't out, but make insurance companies not-for-profit. A good start. Not enough, but a good start.

KGC...
NH has it's share of evangelicals...... part of Rick's family belongs to one of those nutty churches.....

but we don't have any mega churches..... people here tend more toward libertarianism and think it's no one's business what religion they practice or what religion you or anyone else practices....

"Jameson
sounds like you agree with Fry"

KGC,

It sounds as if the question was addressed to both. It's easy to get sucked in to a battle with Fry. I give in to the temptation every once in a while.

Jamie: If Craig says anything dumb on "Hardball" tonight, he can use the "Twinkie Defense."

He must be in journalist/staffer "full campaign" mode...lots black coffee, Doritos, and Hotpockets.

Jamie
Jameson's post was addressed to only me.

Biden calls for Bush impeachment if he bombs Iran.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071129/NEWS/71129018

dog

Save a little money on the impeachment party. Get the California grown Moet Chandon. Exactly the same company, grapes, taste and quality as the French at half the price.

LOVE LOVE LOVE Moet Chandon

Yeah, nash, those clever Clinton campaign workers cover by having put thos eBush stickers on their cars 4 & 8 years ago. Talk about a well laid plan.

Dexter,

They cancelled Journeyman ... where do I go to protest!!! The only problem was the bad placement and I didn't care I watched it anyway.

Jamie
Domaine Chandon is the California sparkler
Moet the mothership

RAN, our Blogroll now updated with your link to your User Poll -- also added some more user blogs (any regulars with their own blog, send me the url and name you want to cqtrailmix@verizon.net)

Craig, you plan to make this the permanent home for C-listers?

I gotta question - if a candidate delivers the message, why in the hell do they need to tell you they approve it? I'm just askin'.

Dog

"Yeah, nash. They should close that Southern Border!"

There are times when the Canadians would probably like to do so.

Pogo...
if I remember right...... it's the law that a candidate must state that to distinguish between an ad the candidate is part of and one that is made by a 527.... which the candidate may not even be aware of......

I could be wrong about this....

Nash

Yes I did mean Iran

"why in the hell do they need to tell you they approve it?"

Renee is right. It differentiate commercials that were paid for by the candidate's campaign and those that were paid by a third party over which they (ostensibly) have no control.

yes, Pogo, having CQ handle the serving chores has been a huge help to me and do want to make this our permanent home. Any ideas for improvements always welcome (we are researching how to provide an edit function for comments)

by the way all, we now have an easy to remember address for this site (and the old crawfordslist url also points here):

www.craigcrawford.com

or

craigcrawford.com

thanks Craig....
with the exception of the non-edit feature..... I really love this new home....

I loved the previous feature where recent comments were displayed at the top right; good way to see who was posting and what brickbats were flying.

Would be lovely to have that back.

And, of course, wish that someday we could get access to pre-Viagra spammer archive. (Revisit the glory days with CBob and 9/11 Survivor and Trial Lawyer Richard and Sheila....)

Re the pic of Craig: he's not standing up straight, and that suit jacket needs to be buttoned.

Like you people have never taken a slightly turtle-y pic. ;~D

Totally OT...

Evel Knievel has died. He was 69.

The hostage story is boring, how bout something that matters Tweety!

dex...

Are you sure they've cancelled "Journeyman"? I can't find anything to indicate that they have. I'm hoping it's just cancelled/delayed for this Monday because NBC, like all the other networks, is struggling with the writers' strike.

Julia

Pic of Craig? I don't see a pic of Craig... :(

Oh crap...we are under an ice storm warning from 6 am to 3 pm tomorrow. I hope the candidates at the DNC meeting get back here tonight or it will be a pretty sparse couple of forums tomorrow. Come to think of it, if there is ice I won't be going to the forums either :(

Hillary and Bill are suposed to both be here tomorrow for events, but that isn't looking too promising either.

The secret service for Hillary has been hard for us to work around at events. It is going to get worse now.

Ran - I sent you an email last night for the map.

Craig,

The new home is roomy indeed.

I noticed someone was looking into sparkling wines. This month's Consumer Reports rates them.

Personally though, if you are looking for a tasty sparkler that is also inexpensive, I highly, highly recommend Domaine Ste. Michelle. I believe they are from the Columbia Valley in Washington State, but their wines are delicious.

http://www.domaine-ste-michelle.com/

For you Red Sox fans out there, this is also the sparkler that they used to celebrate their 2007 World Series playoff victories...

Lush Linda

Up Thread. Link that when viewed includes Craig as last photo in the series

Zoey: have always wondered: what happens if there's an ice storm the night of the caucuses? One that keeps most intending caucusers home and you only get the politico-commandos out.

Do they reschedule in that event?

What about a blizzard? Swarm of locusts?

zoey: hmmm, I didn't receive an e-mail from you, let me go through everything again to make sure I didn't overlook it. Are you interested in sogning up for the poll as well?

thank you Craig, I know you are non-partisan but want to vote in our poll any way?

I wonder if what is happening here in NH will make Tweety think twice about all the Hillary bashing you all report he's doing?.....

my bet is..... he probably won't....
but if he does..... bet it doesn't last for long.....

Jamie: re your 4:15 p post.

I think that would be Domaine Chandon. Love their Blanc de Noirs (pinkish bubbles). I swear it does not give you a hangover.

Dog's eye view - I don't know what they would do about bad weather on caucus night. I suppose if it was bad enough they would have to cancel and try to reschedule. It would be a monumental task to find all the caucus locations for another day/night. We're are struggling this year with the change in dates. It would have to be pretty bad since the caucus locations are fairly close to the precincts. For instance, my caucus location is generally 2 blocks away at the High School but they haven't announced locations yet. I can usually walk so hope that is the case this year.

If there is a swarm of locusts, I think I might have to go to the Republican caucus and vote for Mike Huckabee. I'm thinking he would be the only one to save us from eternal damnation. Oh I am so going to H*ll....

Ran - I will send you another email soon. The one from last night didn't bounce. Yahoo is pretty good about showing me the emails that bounce.

Linda:

Go here and scroll down (almost to the bottom of the page):

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/

Imagine the restraint that Cliff Van Zandt must be exercising as he listens to Sigmund Freud Matthews tell him why this "lonely" guy has chosen Hillary's headquarters as the place to make his stand. No need to waste time and money keeping experts available to msnbc, Chris Matthews has all the answers.

DOPE ON JOURNEYMAN:
I cannot docu-proof this, but a radio caller said Journeyman is cancelled and NBC just wants rid of it, quickly.
Caller said that on December 17, 18 , and 19, NBC will run epis 10, 11, and 12.
Only g'dam show I watch..OF COURSE everybody else hates it, 'cept me & Jamie, and it looks like Harborwoman...
of course, this same caller said John from Cincinnati was un-cancelled, but that , I believe, is a lie..."John" 's actor is now on "Friday Night Lights", or was, and Bruce Greenwood (Butchie's dad) is a hot actor and has many job offers.

WHAT DID ERIN SAY ON MORNING JOE TO "EMBARRASS THE PRESIDENT"?
"ENQUIRING" MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!

EdVB:
Yeah, Chris has analyzed the situation...he knows the outcome but won't share the info, gonna let Tucker have the glory!
Cliff VZ has never offered such LAME insight!

Road flares! Eisenberg, you ain't no Richard Reid...sheesh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HgvQgGDJuw

Dexter...
she called him "monkey in the middle"

TY Katy Crack

EdVB: not watching Matthews (against my religion), but maybe Mr. Van Zandt is silently comparing Mr. Matthews to other psychotics he's profiled and calculating Tweety's precise trigger.

Police are good at that. Judges too. Give the suspect/defendant enough rope to hang themselves.

Monkey in the middle. That's perfect. No idea what she meant (some child's game?), but it's a start.

Which of you posted this youtube/Erin and MoJoe comment? (Leaving aside the AirHead America quip, it could fit here.)

"Ok, who found this video? Is MSNBC still on the air? I thought it went the way of AirHead America. When your entire audience can fit in an obsolete phone booth, it's time to get another gig... "

Local news just said the Hillary office in DSM is closed tonight. I don't blame them. There are lots of crazies out there and copy cats are not out of the realm of possibilities. Now they can all attend the Gov's Christmas party. The Hillary workers I mean, not the crazies.

Just once I wish Cliff VZ or really anyone (except Zell Miller) would turn to Tweety and tell him to shut the f*ck up. The public cheers would be deafening.

I haven't been in a position to watch the screen, but was glad they went to a one minute delay. Knowledge of that seemed to back Mr. Matthews away from his need to tell people exactly what they were seeing on the screen. Chris must go to all athletic contests live, or listen on radio. He's never learned the art of letting the picture tell the story. But to be fair, there are a lot of other lessons he hasn't learned either.

Okay, I'm finished picking on Matthews for tonight, but it was fun while it lasted.

NYTimes website photo: armored personnel carrier with SWAT team trained on Hillary's campaign offices.

Don't you think this is along the lines of Bill O'Reilly's favorite (non-shower) dreams?

http://www.nytimes.com/

The Cafferty file question: "Republican Senator Chuck Hagel calls the Bush White House "one of the most arrogant, incompetent" administrations ever. Is he right?"

Can I get an Amen?

Richardson/Hagel '08.

Yuck Yuck! Erin Burnett musta got called on the carpet and hadda apologize tonite...
We are in a paradox and the lines are about to cross!!
A Post-Imus World meets the Pre-Imus World.
If Erin gets in trouble for THAT...Imus will get great ratings just from the media critics just waiting for "Ray Nagin" to appear.
Goodbye "Greg the Designer", too.
No more "Cardinal Egan".
Maybe even no more
Blind Boy Mississippi Pig's Feet Dupree".
It's a Post-Imus World.
Even when Imus returns.

Amen, brother dnd, amen!

Now they are saying on the news that we will probably get 1-3 inches of snow tomorrow night after the .25 to .50 inches of ice.

Hostage taker has surrendered.

I gotta agree with Bear. Domaine Ste. Michelle is really great bubbly.

I hate Winter I wish I could move back to Kentucky.

AMEN!!!!!

tt

EdVB:
I hate it when TV announcers say "I'll let the crowd tell you what happens!"
Jack Buck was the first sportscaster I recall doing this.Sonny Boy Joe Buck does it sometimes, too.
A great Indiana sportscaster was Hilliard Gates.
He use to "simulcast" high school basketball on TV and radio.
He was so good at it, it never seemed he was over-talking when you watched TV, nor did you miss having a vivid mental image from the radio.
Hilliard Gates was a genius.
But Tweety takes the spaceship to the outer limits, you are so right..

Zoey,
"Now they are saying on the news that we will probably get 1-3 inches of snow tomorrow night after the .25 to .50 inches of ice."

Yikes. We're expecting two to four feet of snow tonight in southwestern Colorado, but no ice. I hope all that ice doesn't down the power lines.

Dog

The bottle reads "Moet Chandon". Not pinkish. It has those nice slow bubbles of really quality champagne, not the bubble fest of the cheap stuff. You are right, it doesn't give you a hangover. Lovely buzzability without the nasty after effects.

heyyy nice digs!! is Brian still around? Do we still chat? I've missed you all..

clown commentator Tucker Carlson just claimed the human bomb is a libertarian and then his guest maroon chimed in...and he will have defeated his goal of less government

goes off to bang head against the wall.

'Just once I wish Cliff VZ or really anyone (except Zell Miller) would turn to Tweety and tell him to shut the f*ck up. The public cheers would be deafening."

*L*

tt

tylenol. where ya been?

Yep, Brian's still roaming around here. And people do talk, still.

tt

And where are Sheila and 9/11?

tt

dnd,Yikes is right. I hope the power stays on too. They keep tree branches trimmed but the lines themselves can only take so much. I hope they are wrong as they often are or the storm tracks more North. Oh now they are saying it is supposed to be windy, too. Can a plague of locusts be too far behind?

We had an ice storm in Memphis TN one time and my house was without power for 10 days. That was so miserable because my office only lost power for a couple of hours. I had to go to work every day, but at least we had a gas water heater so could shower. We couldn't go to a hotel because we had dogs to take care of.

dnd,

Hagel was being way to kind, restrained, and understated.

Jamie: thanks. Shall acquire a bottle this weekend and check out the bubbles.

Whoopie Tylenol - I was just thinking of you yesterday when we were recommending that in case of a Republican webb, Canada should seal its Southern border due to the impending stampede.

What part of the world is Zoey in? Where there's gonna be ice?

tt

dog,
Moet Chandon is delish. Domain Ste. Michelle is likewise delish. And it's less expensive. Try both and let us know what you think.

Sheila sends emails but has trouble getting on line because of schedule. Which reminds me. She sent me a great video.

Neither 9/11 or VB have been on and VB hasn't updated her blog recently so I don't know what is happening there.

tt
I am in Iowa

Thanks zoey.

As far as I can tell you're not on the map. Do you want to be on the map?

http://isleofran.org/clist.htm

Hey, all y'all. We've got a nice smattering of colors all over now!

tt

tt
i will be on the map later. I was sending info to wrong address. Thanks.

And speaking of bubbly:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QPAKV_qoHmU

If you didn't get the email from Sheila with the wedding dance, let me know at

webthings at comcast dot net

It really is a one of a kind.

Wedding?

What wedding?

tt

Sheila got married?

Julia, tiptoe, Bear, nash, Brian, harborwoman, tylenol et al, are you going to sign up for our poll? it's fun, it's easy and it will validate my existence

OK, zoey. Just so ya know.

tt

Tip Toe

Just a video. Nobody we know got married ... I don't think.

Poll?

What poll?

tt

OK, thanks, Jamie.
'
tt

TT

Ran is putting together a poll leading up to the caucus and primaries.

Look up thread for email address and let him know you want to be one of the ones posting to it (He is trying to keep out the people who multi post)

I appreciate Kate's prompt and to the point rebuttals to the bul.......the nonsense which Mr. Fry continuously tries to shovel into the mix., usually a mix of ill-will, misunderstandings, and blatant mis-characterizations.

Hey Tylenol, Yeah I'm around, stopped doing the chat on Friday nights too few showed up, but we are chatting for special occasions, debates and such. How you been?

What we've come to. From a marketing campaign:

"Nobody likes lines. Nobody likes sour-smelling restrooms and waililng babies. Nobody likes stripping to their argyles to be frisked by a stranger while their intimates are examined with X-ray vision."

For an airline.

Virgin America on its cabin mood lighting system, which does look way cool. Anyone flown them yet?

http://vadifference.virginamerica.com/vadiff/index.html

Comedy break:
Charlie the Unicorn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5im0Ssyyus

craigs up on Hardball

So Tweety has outted Craig as a Hillary supporter, Patsi must be so happy right now!

:)

Just caught Craig-looking-lovely-in-blue on Hardball...and...

ran! I sent you an email to get in on the poll. Let me know if you don't get it....

Tweety is so jealous of Bill Clinton he can hardly stand it.

Harborwoman, I concur. Blue is definitely Craig's color but dare I say, i once saw him in a flannel shirt, and he looked absolutley cuddly. That was the first time I talked to him in person.

Hey! Craig's on again...or still...or something...and he just outed himself as agreeing most often with Ron Paul....

Ron Paul? Oh Craig please!

He took the same poll we all did on this list. I came out with Dennis K, Ron Paul, and Richardson. I doubt I would go with anyone from that group except maybe Richardson.

It linked me with Gravel, Biden, and Edwards, in that order.

Well, Brian that is more of an esoteric group than I got. Though I must say some people thought I "looked" like a Kucinich supporter whatever that meant.

Geez, you guys have good memories. I took the poll, but don't remember the order of who it linked me with....

Nah, Brian. Craig says he keeps his journalism clean by not voting, anyway. It's like in my own family....I have a nephew who can't stand the idea of Hillary, but whose wife and grown daughter are avid supporters. Guess which one of this three has never voted? My nephew figures his role in politics is just to gripe. Which in this case is fine with me. :)

But when all is said and done, I'm going to be a big supporter of whoever the Democrats nominate.

Am sad to hear that Brian's chat has become sporadic. Thought you always hosted Friday night.

Rudee beats the press..literally

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/30/489510.aspx

Good to read Patsi, I'm sure John will appreciate your future support!

:)

Sorry dog, but sitting there with no one around is annoying and makes me feel like a hostage!

BTW Craig, I thought Hill looked fab too, loved the scarf!

Dog

We had a lot of fun the other night. I suppose if we tackled and hog tied the host and the holidays don't get in the way, he might do it more often.

There was just a fall off in attendees for various reasons.

Zoey,
This isn't a unicorn, but your video reminded me of this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6iLD6ewxp8Q

OK. That's understandable.

Just checked the youtube re Erin Burnette/Monkey in the MIddle and there are pages and pages of comments from rightwingers demanding she be fired and calling other people libtards. The 30% out in force.

They are so damn mean. Guess there's keyboard rage along with air rage and road rage. These maroons are sheer rage.