David Corn

How about the fact that the house bill increases cost and doesn't save a dime?

Senator: Democrats 'baffled' by president's health care stance
Posted: 05:29 AM ET

From CNN Senior Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash

WASHINGTON (CNN) – As the prospects for passing health reform by the time Congress leaves for its August recess look bleaker, Democratic grumbling about President Obama is growing louder.

One Democratic senator tells CNN congressional Democrats are “baffled,” and another senior Democratic source tells CNN members of the president’s own party are still “frustrated” that they’re not getting more specific direction from him on health care.

“We appreciate the rhetoric and his willingness to ratchet up the pressure but what most Democrats on the Hill are looking for is for the president to weigh in and make decisions on outstanding issues. Instead of sending out his people and saying the president isn’t ruling anything out, members would like a little bit of clarity on what he would support – especially on how to pay for his health reform bill,” a senior Democratic congressional source tells CNN.

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It's called leadership, which Barry never had!

Wanna Know What's Funny? At the Same Time in His Presidency, Bush Had Higher Approval Ratings

At USAToday, they have a comparative approval rating chart. You will notice that Obama today, has a lower approval rating that Bush had at his corresponding time period. Hope and change. Obama has a 55% Approval rating, and a 41% disapproval rating. While Bush had a 56% approval rating, and a 33% disapproval rating. Wanna know what else is funny? Jimmy Carter had a better approval rating as well. Jimmy was at 62% and 22%, respectively. Nixon? Yeah, he did better too, 58% and 36% respectively. In fact, of the last 11 presidents, only Bubba Clinton, and Gerald Ford have lower ratings.

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Ah Alan, I feel for ya buddy!!!!!!

DC's unemployment rate is rising despite huge infusions of cash

Washington Times ^ | Wednesday, July 22, 2009 | Editorial

President Obama's $787 billion stimulus package was supposed to create jobs, but the results are hardly a success.

If any place should have seen a noticeable jobs increase, it is the District of Columbia, which was by far the biggest stimulus money winner. By June 30, the District had been given the most stimulus funds per person at $3,712. No state is even close. It is more than twice the $1,545 that Alaska received and more than 5 times the average of $717 per person for the 50 states.

Administration officials first claimed that the stimulus would start showing results "within weeks" of being passed. They now say that the benefits won't be felt until more cash is spent next year. If so, with so much money going to the District, the capital city might show what the future will look like for the rest of the country. Indeed, with 25 percent of the stimulus funds already allocated, the District has received more stimulus money per capita than the average state can hope to receive.

There's no evidence the deluge of greenbacks is helping much. . . . .

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Politics of failure.....

The 80/20 rule only counts if you care for anything more than the 50+1 rule.

Remember when criminals like Tom DeLay ran the House? Remember when Conservatives didn't filibuster everything that came in the Senate? All they cared about was getting 50% plus one.
Remember scenes like this?
http://tinyurl.com/lloun2

As vital as health care reform is to improving the lives of lower wage earners, is President Obama willing to go the 50+1 route and let Joe go down and make the babies cry or is he going to try to get to a fililbuster-proof 60?

More importantly, will the Conservatives have the guts to filibuster on such a vital issue? If they think it's Waterloo v.2009, I like the odds of that. A party like the GOPasaurii that is ignorant of the true meaning of socialism, is chock-full o' birfers, runs Creationists/ young earthers & Global Warming deniers without apology, is lead by the ignoranus-triumvirate of hannity, Rove, and Limbozo the Clown still has a ways to drop before they have their Bill Buckley stand up and say "enough of of the stupid Conservatives, already."

Like the Clean air bill, like Sotomayor, and pretty much anything else the Dems run up the hill, the GOPasaur makes a sick noise when it loses; but it loses nonetheless. They are such WATBs. But it rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again. Poor things.
http://tinyurl.com/3gy3uk

The Conservative line: Health Care is too expensive; let's just let the poor folk get sick and die, just like in the old days. Those Conservatives love them the "good old days" when colored folks knew their place and po' folk stayed outta sight.

Let's save them some money and see if they like it:

Study: Public Option Saves $200 Billion
http://tinyurl.com/lsh37d

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) told MSNBC that the Senate Finance Committee needed to find $200 billion in savings to pass health care reform. Grassley is opposed to the public option; if Grassley were serious about finding $200 billion in new savings, he'd support a public option.

A new study from the Commonwealth Fund finds that the public option could save the country $265 billion. The same study found that Grassley's favored approach--allowing insurance companies to maintain their near-monopoly status--would cost the country $32 billion.

According the to the report, a combination of insurance regulations aimed at eliminating the insurance industry's ability to discriminate against the chronically ill, broader pooling of risks, and a more stream lined administrative system that the House bill would bring about saves money:
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Fredward's response: but the gubmint's gonna take away yer doctor and make you get an abortion. They'll be lowerin' the birth rate of white folks by givin' 'em free contraptions. Why make healthcare cheaper, eh?

If there's anything that will extend the Democrat majority for more than a generation, it's the race issue.

Read Conservative Ross "I Heart Palin" Douthat:
But the senators are yesterday’s men. The America of Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III is swiftly giving way to the America of Sonia Maria Sotomayor and Barack Hussein Obama.

The nation’s largest states, Texas and California, already have “minority” majorities. By 2023, if current demographic trends continue, nonwhites — black, Hispanic and Asian — will constitute a majority of Americans under 18. By 2042, they’ll constitute a national majority. As Hua Hsu noted earlier this year in The Atlantic, “every child born in the United States from here on out will belong to the first post-white generation.”

DougJ at Balloon Juice states the obvious: If you check out the exit polls for November’s election, you see that Asians, Latinos, and “other” all voted for Obama by roughly the same amount (about 65%). I don’t know what the national figures for income are like, but I recall hearing that in California, Asian-Americans have a higher median income than whites. So this is not at all economic. It probably goes to show that if you treat people like they’re part of some kind of scary, “nonwhite” bloc, they won’t vote for you.
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And the racists in the GOP dig themselves deeper and deeper, as in the case of Sotomayor. It's almost as if they don't intend to ever become a viable party ever again.

As if anyone can please all the people all the time?

lol

Ask President Obama if he is serious about pushing healthcare through reconciliation?

The GOP will vote against it and if blue dogs want to go down like the GOP let them vote against it.

Oh, nooooes, Obama is not at 70% in the polls like he was back in April!!1! What will he do to fight against the power of the big, scary white horde of Conservatives that oppose him? He's having trouble proving that he's even a citizen of the United States, for crying out loud.

A few facts to consider:
Who do you trust on the Economy?
Obama: 50+% The GOPasaurus: barely 30%
Who do you trust on Health Care?
Obama: 50+% The GOPasaurus: barely 30%
Who do you Trust on Budget Deficits?
Obama: 50+% The GOPasaurus: barely 30%
source:

And poll after poll is like that. The GOPasaur's rotting carcass has left a permanent hole for the Dems to run through. Who will oppose the Dems and Obama?

Again, I'll start worrying about the President's poll numbers when the GOP stop making racist jokes about Michelle, Malia and Sasha Obama, when their leaders learn to zip it up and keep it in their pants, when they're motto on health care stops being "it's wrong for the government to come between a doctor and his patient unless that patient is a woman!", when they actually have ideas other than "NO!" Till then, they're just fodder for the Late Nite Funnies. No. Not yet.

Oops. Wrong tinyurl for the data. This is the right one:
http://tinyurl.com/loor3m

It is always funny when supporters of mister 17% worry about poll numbers for Barack.

Just for fun - when was the last time Crusader Bunnypants polled over 49%?

Of course Bush was a popular leader and great president when he was under 20% lying us into unnecessary and unwise wars and occupations, the costs of which brought about the worst global economic mess since the great republican depression of the '30's.

Obama is president for at least the next 3.5 years, likely 7.5 - I hope the RWNJ's are wringing their hands over his popularity the whole time. It really shows what they fear most.

*brushes shoulder*

More unintentional funny:

Senator: Democrats 'baffled' by president's health care stance
Posted: 05:29 AM ET
Posted by: freddie July 22, 2009 11:57 AM

Three quotes from Senatorial aides, all anonymous quotes, why would they be afraid to publicly complain about Obama? Those Senators are such wilting flowers. Why would they be afraid of Obama?

Note to ponder:
http://tinyurl.com/nbeovz

Apparently McCain is just hopping mad that after he and Sen. Kyl ran around popping off at the mouth that the stimulus has failed, several cabinet secretaries wrote letters to Arizona’s governor asking if Arizona would like to stop receiving funds. After all, the two Senators have claimed it has failed, surely Arizona does not want to take money that will just be wasted.

This was some horrible breach, and really had McCain confused and upset. You see, for the last decade or so, he has been able to say whatever he wants, and no one tried to correct him. Obviously, this development is quite a shock for him.
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McCain and Lieberman have fallen in line after criticizing the President. They all do. I guess that's why so many GOPasaurs vote with Obama at such a high percentage rate.

Top RepubliCON contender for the Presidency Haley Barbour will tell you:
"He said he also has high regard for Obama’s political team. “They’re tough as nails,” he said. “This the first White House since Nixon that K Street is afraid of.”

from Fran:

Alan is now to Freddie what Fox News Hounds is to Faux News. Alan repudiates with the real facts so we don't have to.

Thanks Alan!
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You're welcome... I guess.
I think all the accolades should properly go to Clint. He's so thorough and always posts the pertinent data as proof. Me, well I sometimes show up fredo because he NEEDS to see the truth often. I have no illusions that anything will actually get through, so lately I've been pretty much ignoring his posts. I'll say one thing for him... he keeps us entertained and is consistent.
Thanks for the kind words though, and I enjoy reading your posts.

Ex-Fox Producer Gets 10 Years for Porn

WASHINGTON (July 22) - A federal judge has sentenced a former Fox News Channel producer to 10 years in prison for possession of child pornography.
The U.S. Attorney's Office says Aaron Bruns was sentenced Tuesday in U.S. District Court. Prosecutors had recommended the 10-year term, citing Bruns' prior conviction on similar charges.

http://tinyurl.com/koxep6

"several cabinet secretaries wrote letters to Arizona’s governor asking if Arizona would like to stop receiving funds"

Love IT!

and lol

Fredward's response: but the gubmint's gonna take away yer doctor and make you get an abortion. They'll be lowerin' the birth rate of white folks by givin' 'em free contraptions. Why make healthcare cheaper, eh?

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Dude, don't be a racist!

Cheaper?

Why don't you tell us how, since Barry can't?

Consistent~~ Alan

Barry is a failure - progressive ideas are a failure!

He keeps us entertained~~ Alan

Barry 48% to Palin 42% - lol, that one even entertains me!

I have no illusions~~~ Alan

Barry's hope and change - nuff said!!!!!!!!

Off-topic: SCAM WARNING.

I got an automated call, allegedly from my bank, telling me my card had been deactivated. To reactivate it, I was asked to punch "1" and then punch in my card account number. Since I did not know whether they meant my CREDIT or DEBIT card, I hung up and called my bank, and they told me it was a scam.

I deserve no credit. I just got lucky that the scammer(s) forgot to specify which card.

Now you know--and knowing is half the battle. :)

From the Ed Schultz Radio show

Instead of "Blue Dog" we should call the DINO's bought by the insurance industry - "Blue Cross" Democrats!

Blue Dogs Party After Health Care Reform Markup Canceled

The House Committee on Energy and Commerce was supposed to be the third leg supporting health care reform legislation already approved by two other House committees. Instead, this week it's become more of a fifth wheel. The committee's markup sessions for Tuesday and Wednesday have been canceled in the face of opposition to the bill from the panel's conservative "Blue Dog" Democrats.

So Monday's markup may have lasted past midnight, but on Tuesday evening the committee's Blue Dogs were free to party, and party they did! Reps. Mike Ross (D-Ark.) and Jim Matheson (D-Utah) feted fellow Blue Dog Rep. John Barrow (D-Ga.) at Ruth's Chris Steakhouse in Northwest Washington from 6 to 7:30 p.m. Ross is the lead Blue Dog on health care reform.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/22/blue-dogs-party-after-hea_n_242726.html

Rachel Maddow Discusses 'Birthers' With Washington Independent's Dave Weigel

Everyone's been talking about these crazy insane "Birther" folk, and their amazing, generations-spanning, bipartisan super-conspiracy to get a Kenyan elected President. But only Rachel Maddow went out and got The Washington Independent's Dave Weigel to talk about it, for the win. Weigel has been extensively documenting this particular strain of the lunatic fringe like he was Lewis Thomas writing The Lives of a Cell, and he deserves to be known as the go-to guy on this topic.

Weigel did his best to explain the current thinking in the "Birther" community, if you can call it thinking. (And no, one cannot.) "I don't know what they want anymore, because every time Hawaii verifies something, or a reporter verifies something, or a witness verifies something--that witness, that state, that reporter is lying, and their evidence must be thrown aside." Weigel notes that the "birther" community sprung from the Obama administration's attempt at transparency: The campaign took the extraordinary step of posting his birth certificate online, and, proving the axiom of good deeds and punishment, managed to spawn a "cottage industry" of people determined to prove the certificate was a forgery.

Weigel also got off a great line about "Birther bill" supporter Rep. John Campbell, and his appearance on yesterday's Hardball, "It looked life he was auditioning for the Jack Lemmon role in Glengarry Glen Ross. Trust me. You need to follow Weigel on Twitter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/22/rachel-maddow-discusses-b_n_242720.html

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I never thought such an insane notion would get as much M$M play.

Clint wnats everyone to believe that all repubs are racists-

Hmmm, sounds like typical liberal indoctrination.

Maybe this person hasn't read the Kosic Kids memo about racist Repubs ;

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Prominent Dem Businesswoman Backs GOP Gov. Candidate Citing Economic Issues, WaPo Not Impressed

By Ken Shepherd | July 21, 2009 - 13:21

She's the nation's first black female billionaire, a co-founder of Black Entertainment Television (BET) whose political contributions skew heavily Democratic, and in 2005 she backed the now outgoing-Democratic Gov.Tim Kaine's bid for office. But now Sheila C. Johnson has crossed the aisle to endorse Republican Bob McDonnell in his bid to be Virginia's chief executive, arguing that he has a better grasp on economic issues than his Democratic opponent.

Yet in reporting the news of the endorsement, the Washington Post elected to leave any word of Johnson's endorsement from its Metro front page headline. Instead, the Post blandly offered readers this headline and subheader:

Business Leaders Are Major Prize In Va. Race: McDonnell, Deeds Seek Credibility Among Execs

Indeed, in her July 21 story, staffer Rosalind Helderman pitted McDonnell's newsworthy endorsement against a "competing" announcement from the camp of McDonnell's Democratic opponent:
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Or how about this guy:
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On NAACP's 100th Anniversary Media Ignore Boxer's Racist Treatment of Black Chamber CEO
By Noel Sheppard | July 18, 2009 - 12:22

On Thursday, NewsBusters asked if the media would notice Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Cal.) being called out by the CEO of the National Black Chamber of Commerce for her racist and condescending treatment of him during a Senate hearing.

Such seemed a particularly important question as this disgraceful event occurred on the 100th anniversary of the NAACP.

Yet, according to LexisNexis, not one major media outlet other than FNC thought it was at all newsworthy that Harry Alford called Boxer "God-awful" for pitting the opinions of other black organizations against his.

You think this would have been boycotted, especially on the 100th anniversary of the NAACP, if Boxer had an "R" next to her name instead of a "D"?

For those interested in hearing more from Alford, he was interviewed by LA radio host and Sarah Palin documentarian John Ziegler Friday, and made some comments about Boxer I guarantee media will also ignore

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Whoops!

Brilliant!... 134 GOP House Members Ask President Obama: "Where Are the Jobs?"

134 difference House Republicans took the floor yesterday and asked President Disaster and the democrats, "Where are the jobs?"

President Obama and democrats in Congress, of course, promised that their stimulus would prevent unemployment from rising about 8%. Today it is at 9.7% and House Republicans who unanimously opposed the Stimulus Bill want to know where are the jobs?

The unemployment rate during the Bush years was 5.27%.

President Disaster's unemployment rate is averaging above 8.6%.

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Change you can believe in alright!

haha

Colbert Takes On Cheney And Chuck Todd Over Torture Investigations (VIDEO)

Stephen Colbert used his segment "The Word" last night to mock detractors of investigating the Bush administration for torture. He singled out Fox's Steve Doocy and NBC's Chuck Todd, for saying the investigations would become a witch hunt and food fight respectively, and took shots at Cheney and the producers of "24" for approving torture in the first place.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/239368/july-21-2009/the-word---a-perfect-world

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/22/colbert-takes-on-cheney-a_n_242523.html

Crisis: Nearly Five Million Adults Have Lost Insurance Since Sept. '08

As President Barack Obama prepares to address the nation tonight, a new survey provides a boost to his claim that the health care system is at a perilous place and in need of reform. Since September of last year, nearly five million adults have lost their insurance.

A survey of more than 29,000 individuals in June by Gallup shows that 16 percent of Americans over the age of 18 are currently without health insurance. That number reflects what the survey's authors describe as a "small but measurable uptick in the percentage of uninsured adults."

Indeed, the average number of uninsured adults recorded by Gallup in 2008 was 14.8 percent. In September 2008, the monthly total recorded was at a yearly low of 13.9 percent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/22/crisis-nearly-five-millio_n_242953.html

McCain and Lieberman have fallen in line after criticizing the President. They all do. I guess that's why so many GOPasaurs vote with Obama at such a high percentage rate.

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High percentage rate? You call 3 repubs a high percentage rate? Fucking hysterical!

High percentage rate would be the 42 dems who vote consistently vote against Barry....

Ya Alan, Clint is hammering me with those made up Kosic Kid facts, that's such a slam~~~

LOL

GOP Proposes ‘Cap and Trade’ for Health Care Reform

“FOR ANYONE WHO CAN’T AFFORD TO BUY THEIR OWN INSURANCE IN THE PRIVATE MARKET, THEY’LL BE ABLE TO BEG WITH THEIR CAP, AND TRADE THEIR ORGANS.”

http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=7895

As President Barack Obama prepares to address the nation tonight, a new survey provides a boost to his claim that the health care system is at a perilous place and in need of reform.

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Ya, it's so perilous that NBC bumped poor Barry for "Britians Got Talent" Susan Boyle....

Ouch!!!

From the Ed Schultz Radio show

Instead of "Blue Dog" we should call the DINO's bought by the insurance industry - "Blue Cross" Democrats!
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No, you can call them representatives of the people and not of Barry!

"Cheaper? Why don't you tell us how, since Barry can't?"
Posted by: freddie July 22, 2009 3:05 PM

Conservatives are sooooo lazy. Did you read the link that I provided? The savings are there. Read the story.

In case you're wondering what the President would like to see (although he expects Congress to do their jobs and craft the legislation), you can check his stuff out at healthreformdotorg.
http://www.healthreform.gov/

Specific cost-saving measures here:
http://tinyurl.com/lxvpcw

Of course it's congress' job to write the law. Except for the GOPasurus side. They just want to make sure hardworking Americans have a harder time making ends meet. Why does the GOP hate 'Merkins so much?

Ouch!... Most Americans Trust Their Own Economic Judgement Over Obama's

Nearly 2 out of every 3 Americans trust their own economic judgement over President Obama's:

Rasmussen Reports

With record unemployment, record deficits, record debt and record low GDP growth is this really a surprise?

More... Thanks to Obama the US is facing fiscal ruin.

GOP Sen. Graham to support Sotomayor
source: http://tinyurl.com/lxc7uj

That's what it looks like when Obama sez "JUMP!!" and GOPasours squeal "HOW HIGH, SIR?" They can't even work up the fake-outrage to challenge Obama on something like the SCOTUS nominees. Oh, the Birfers is gonna be mighty unhappy about this one. Lindsey's got some 'splainin' to do.

Right Wingers Ready for Violence to Defend the Rich, White Way of Life:

Lost amid the sublime delights of hearing Glen Beck totally lose his shit and screech like a wounded weasel in a bear trap on his radio show was his suggestion on the July 13 edition of his Fox "news" show, The Cleveland Steamer with Glenn Beck, that people should arm themselves for a coming revolution. No, really. In a conversation with NRA CEO Wayne "That Is a Gun in My Pants and I'm Not Happy to See You" LaPierre over whether Sonia Sotomayor would interpret the 2nd Amendment the way they believe it ought to be interpreted, Beck offered, "Would you say that our president or our government's stock market really is gun sales. That when gun sales go down -- everybody wants to say, 'Well, I protect guns for hunters,' even though -- I mean, look, I came from a family of hunters. I get it. But that's not -- the Founding Fathers weren't like, 'Well, we might want to go out and, you know, shoot some squirrel.' They did it because of an out-of-control government. And as gun sales go up, that's because we don't trust the government. That is -- that is the fundamental guttural understanding of the Second Amendment. People don't trust the government, they go out and buy a gun."

Did you get that? If you don't trust the government, go out and buy a gun. Because why? Because you can use the muzzle to push the buttons in a voting booth? Or because you can use it to shoot and kill any government motherfuckers who are going to...well, do what?

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2009/07/right-wingers-ready-for-violence-to.html

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record

President George W. Bush entered office in 2001 just as a recession was starting, and is preparing to leave in the middle of a long one. That’s almost 22 months of recession during his 96 months in office.

His job-creation record won’t look much better. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton’s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office.

Here’s a look at job creation under each president since the Labor Department started keeping payroll records in 1939. The counts are based on total payrolls between the start of the month the president took office (using the final payroll count for the end of the prior December) and his final December in office.

Because the size of the economy and labor force varies, we also calculate in percentage terms how much the total payroll count expanded under each president. The current President Bush, once taking account how long he’s been in office, shows the worst track record for job creation since the government began keeping records.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

Dear Freddie, neither Bush nor Carter had been left a massive cesspool to clean up such as the one which Bush managed to generate. Not since FDR has such a boondoggle been bequeathed to newly elected President, once more by a Republican.

I feel for ya buddy. You back up incompetent oafs and then sit around laughing at the efforts of those who must make good on the stupidities committed by the Republican party. Must be fun to watch your idols screw up a whole world and then quake in your boots that more oafs just like them might be elected to do the cleanup duty.

If you want a mess created hire a Republican. No Republican in the past half century has done a damn thing that was good for the nation. They do lots that enrich the already over-privileged. Keep laughing and hope that Bush's mess does not bury this nation permanently and takes the rest of the world with it.

How is it that the GOPasaurs can't get their facts straight? Claiming that the Health Care Bill is going to outlaw private health insurance? What idiots.

Turns out they're getting their info from a Health Insurance Lobby.

Firm Crunching Numbers for GOP Is Owned by Health Insurer
source: http://tinyurl.com/ls973l

"More specifically, the Lewin Group is part of Ingenix, a UnitedHealth subsidiary that was accused by the New York attorney general and the American Medical Association, a physician's group, of helping insurers shift medical expenses to consumers by distributing skewed data. Ingenix supplied its parent company and other insurers with data that allegedly understated the "usual and customary" doctor fees that insurers use to determine how much they will reimburse consumers for out-of-network care."

"In January, UnitedHealth agreed to a $50 million settlement with the New York attorney general and a $350 million settlement with the AMA, covering conduct going back as far as 1994."
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It's like the GOP doesn't even care if they look like bought-and-told tools of the Health Care Lobby. These are the guys that conservatives are counting on to get those 48 million uninsured covered? Poor dupes.

In case you're wondering what the President would like to see (although he expects Congress to do their jobs and craft the legislation), you can check his stuff out at healthreformdotorg.

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Really, cuz I remember you saying Bush presented the budget to the dems who then crafted the legislation to his desires so they could pass it and he would sign it.

Are you now telling me that Bush wasn't responsible for the budget when the Dems were in control after all now? You're not flip floppin like Barry are ya?

Or maybe Barry sees his poll numbers sinkin faster than Jimmy carters and wants all the blame to land on the congress criters when it fails.....

Or, he just can't lead, cuz he has no skillzzzz!

Hey, does that healthreform.org tell us were all the jobs are that Barry promised? Cuz, I'm still trying to find that web site.

How about that 100 million in cuts that he promised?

Hmmm, something tells me you can't believe everything you read on the internet.

lol

Kalpal,

Why do you keep making this about me? You're obsessed with me and it's a little creepy, but whatever dude!

First of all, I'm not a republican and I have no idols unlike you Obama worshipers.

Unlike you, I do not look to a leader or political party to save the world or give me a handout.

Barry hasn't cleaned up anything-please correct me if I'm wrong. I would love to hear you expalin how he's going to close Gitmo, stop the wars, stop Iran from nuke, stop Korea from nuke, get help from EU, how about wiretapping, detention, 2.5 millions jobs created or at the very least saved.

I'll be waiting...........................

How is it that the GOPasaurs can't get their facts straight? Claiming that the Health Care Bill is going to outlaw private health insurance? What idiots.

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Boy, I guess they can't fuck it up any worse than Barry has the economy heh? What a relief!

Obama to Dems wavering on health care: “You’re going to destroy my presidency”

Like I told you the other day: It’s all about the O. Isn’t it always?

Grassley said he spoke with a Democratic House member last week who shared Obama’s bleak reaction during a private meeting to reports that some factions of House Democrats were lining up to stall or even take down the overhaul unless leaders made major changes.

“Let’s just lay everything on the table,” Grassley said. “A Democrat congressman last week told me after a conversation with the president that the president had trouble in the House of Representatives, and it wasn’t going to pass if there weren’t some changes made … and the president says, ‘You’re going to destroy my presidency.’”

Consider this a complete vindication of DeMint’s point, which Obama pretended to take such offense at, that if the GOP defeats ObamaCare “it will be his Waterloo, it will break him…” Evidently The One couldn’t agree more, and with good reason. If he can’t deliver on his centerpiece policy goal with bulletproof majorities in Congress, not only will it haunt him in 2012 but he’ll have to reconsider the public’s appetite for the whole Hopenchange/Great Society agenda. Failure wouldn’t destroy his presidency so much as it would destroy his presidency as he imagined it; he’d have to remake himself as a sort of Clintonian centrist and become the “pragmatist” all those thoughtful conservatives like David Brooks and Christopher Buckley promised us he’d be before he was sworn in and started pushing 13-digit deficits.

Here’s Krauthammer from last night’s “Special Report” explaining the stakes and why, in the end, Obama will swallow whatever watered-down crap Congress hands him.

Hint: It’s all about the O.

Wow, from Capt to Clint to Alan to Kalpal, it sure looks like Barry's sinking poll number are starting to take it's toll!

When Jimmy carter polls higher than Barry, that's when you know the shit pile is too deep to dig out of!!!!

Do you know where the largest mental hospital is in this country? LA
Do you know what it is? The Twin Towers Prison.

Is it less expensive to take care of the mentally ill or to let them go homelss or rot in jail or be warehoused in adult homes? No

The problem health care is not going to be remedied just by getting people insurance. It also needs to include good policies that provide the right kind of care to individuals.

Unfortunately, policies and money go hand in hand. This means we need to repeal the IMD exclusion so we can provide quality, long-term care of the severely mentally ill.

The IMD exlusion is not being debated as part of this health care reform package. Once again, the severely mentally ill, the voiceless population, will be overlooked. Please contact your representative and ask them to work to repeal the IMD exclusion.

(The IMD exclusion was put into place when Medicaid and Medicare was implemented. It exluded payments for individuals who were in Institutes of Mental Disease. So, the states closed the hospitals. That took care of that.)

Hey Alan, I like my new name - Fran - better than Irene...

Yeah, Clint, Capt, and others - Hajji - where have you been?

I guess Freddie's comments helps us when we have to debate our right wing uncle/brother/sister/aunt at the next family reunion/holiday gathering...

Dear Friend,

As you read this, we are closer than ever to passing comprehensive health insurance reform that benefits American families and small businesses. Despite all the back and forth in the news right now, it is important to understand just how far we've come in this challenging process.

That's why I'm holding a press conference tonight at 8pm ET, and writing to let everyone know where we are, what's ahead, and why health insurance reform is so important.

Let me be clear: although Congress is still debating parts of the legislation we have achieved critical consensus on several key areas:

If you already have health insurance: reform will provide you with more security and stability. It will limit your own out of pocket costs and prevent your insurance company from dropping your coverage if you get too sick. You'll also have affordable insurance options if you lose or change your job. And it will cover preventive care like check-ups and mammograms that save lives and money.

If you don't have health insurance: you will finally have guaranteed access to quality, affordable health care, and you can choose the plan that best suits your family's needs. And no insurance company will be allowed to deny you coverage because of a pre-existing medical condition.

Now, I realize that the last few miles of any race are the hardest to run, but we can't stop now. There's no dispute about it: we cannot control our long-term fiscal health as a nation without health insurance reform. American families and small businesses understand that the health insurance status quo is taking away those things that they value most about health care. The stability and security that comes with knowing that you can get the treatment you need, when you need it. Without reform, we are consigning our children to a future of skyrocketing premiums and crushing deficits.

We have to seize this opportunity and pass health insurance reform this year. You can help by forwarding this email to your family and friends and letting them know what's at stake in this debate.

Thank you,
Barack Obama

P.S. Tune in to tonight's press conference on health insurance reform at 8pm ET on WhiteHouse.gov.

"Hajji - where have you been? "

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He's been working like a madman (as usual).

"Reality takes a back seat to flowers....."

ZOMG!

Pelosi: We Could Work Through Recess

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said Wednesday that Democrats are getting increasingly close to a health care reform vote on the House floor and need to seize the moment, and she pledged to work through recess if need be.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/22/pelosi-to-senate-were-not_n_243086.html

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I need to send her a hug!

"Hey Alan, I like my new name - Fran"

ooops, my bad Though it's FLAN and I should've caught that, I kinda like Fran better. It sounds feminine and I used to know a Fran.
K, what does Flan mean, or where didja get it from?

I guess Freddie's comments helps us when we have to debate our right wing uncle/brother/sister/aunt at the next family reunion/holiday gathering...

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So not everyone in your family has been brain washed by Barry's lies heh? Good to know!

Hey, I've got a great idea folks, maybe Barry could create some jobs so we can afford to buy health insurance.

Now I know liberals would rather not work and get free health care but come on man, someones got to pay for it..

Ya think?

Durbin says August deadline not possible

Durbin says its no longer possible for the Senate to pass a health-reform bill before August recess.

POLITICO 44

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said for the first time Wednesday that its no longer possible for the Senate to pass a health-reform bill before leaving for the August recess – which would defy President Barack Obama’s wish that both houses approve the legislation before summer break.

Durbin’s comments, confirmed by his office, are the strongest signal yet of what’s become increasingly apparent on the Hill – that the Senate Finance Committee is well short of being able to negotiate a compromise in time to clear the full Senate.

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If Dick Turbin Durbin, I hate the troops, say's it's dead then it's dead man!

Chris Matthews Wrong on Obama Birth Certificate

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:33 PM

MSNBC's Chris Matthews got into a heated exchange with a congressman on his show Tuesday as he revisited the question of President Barack Obama's birth certificate — or lack of one.

Rep. John Campbell, R-Calif., is a co-sponsor of the so-called "birther bill," which would require future presidential candidates to provide a copy of their original birth certificates.

“Birthers” are those who believe Obama is not qualified to be president based on a belief that he was not born in the United States.

Campbell is not a “birther” and has never claimed that Obama was born outside the United States or should be disqualified from being president.

On the show, Matthews seemingly undermined Campbell’s claims by producing what Matthews said was a copy of Obama’s birth certificate.

But Matthews made a false claim. Obama has never released his actual birth certificate. He has released another document, often provided by state authorities in lieu of a birth certificate, called a certificate of live birth.

Matthews on Tuesday said Campbell was "playing to the crazies" by supporting the "crazy" bill, and the congressman shot back that it was all about "putting the matter to rest."

Matthews also accused Campbell of "feeding the wacko wing of your party," and held up what he called a copy of the supposed Obama birth certificate.

Case closed?

The indisputable fact is that Obama has not released his birth certificate, which the state of Hawaii issues for all citizens born there.

Instead, his campaign has only released his certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii, which is a document that offers a summarized version of the birth certificate.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, GOP nominee Sen. John McCain quickly released his birth certificate when liberal bloggers raised questions about his eligibility to be president. McCain was born at a military hospital in Panama.

Obama could likewise put the matter to rest by releasing his actual birth certificate, which would show, among other things, the place of his birth and the doctor who performed the birth procedure. This information is not provided in the certificate of live birth.

As it stands, Obama is the only president in history the public doesn’t know actually the place where he was born – a fact that would be stated on the actual birth certificate. Interestingly, his family has mentioned two different hospitals in Hawaii as to the place of birth.

The fact that Obama has refused to release his actual birth certificate does not mean conspiracy theorists are right when they claim he was born in Kenya and therefore not eligible to be president. Investigators who have reviewed the claims have found no evidence Obama was born outside of Hawaii.

But Obama’s refusal to release his birth certificate does mean that Obama remains one of America’s most mysterious and opaque presidents ever.

Obama, for example, has not released many other documents regarding his public and private life.

Many of these documents were sought by reporters, who easily acquiesced when Obama said he would release them – though most presidential candidates release them as a perfunctory matter.

Among the key documents that continue to be shielded from the public by Obama:

Obama released just one brief document detailing his personal health. McCain, on the other hand, released what he said was his complete medical file, totaling more than 1,500 pages.

Obama refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois. Nor did he produce correspondence, such as his schedules of appointments or letters from lobbyists, from his days in the Illinois state Senate.

Obama did not release his client list as an attorney or his billing records. He maintained that he performed only a few hours of legal work for a nonprofit organization with ties to Tony Rezko, the Chicago businessman convicted of fraud in June 2008, but did not release billing records that would prove this assertion.

Obama ignored requests for his records from Occidental College, where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia University.

Obama’s campaign refused to give Columbia, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Former President George W. Bush and presidential contenders Al Gore and John Kerry all released their college transcripts.

Obama did not agree to the release of his application to the Illinois State Bar, which would have cleared up intermittent allegations that his application may have been inaccurate.

Obama did not release records from his time at Harvard Law School.

During the presidential campaign, McCain’s campaign released the full list of all online donors. Obama’s campaign still has not released the names of those who donated at least one-third of the $750 million he raised.

Ironically, Obama during the campaign accused the Bush White House of being "one of the most secretive administrations in our history," and chided then-Sen. Hillary Clinton for not releasing her White House schedules.

Chris Matthews, get your facts straight and demand full disclosure – that’s the best way to keep an honest government.

Alan, if I told you, I would have to kill you...

Flan

I love how Universal health care somehow equates to free health care. Those that can afford to pay health insurance - as do miliions of americans today - will continue to do so. The problem with today's system is that it is employer based. Why should I pay 120/month for insurance when I have a job but have to pay 800 - 1000/month as an individual or self employed. It's because we are not all under one umbrella of risk. If we were all under the same system, the risk is pooled and my sudden heart attack won't blow the small business I work for's insurance premiums sky high.

We should not subsidize the insurance companies on the backs of the self-insured and small businesses. it's ridiculous.

I always thought "flan" was the Mexican dessert . . .

And a good handle!

GREAT presser!

How nice is it to have a President who doesn't embarrass the country everytime he opens his mouth.

yes, they stole my name....I pronounce it with a long a though -

I had no idea there was such a desert until I was an adult - my mother had 10 mouths to feed, she never made anything Mexican...just your usual boiled meat and potatoes...

The first press conference Obama did I couldn't stop myself from giggling. It was such a change to actually have someone who can string intelligent sentences together - and on command too. Such a nice change.

Ahh, now I can go to bed with good thoughts after reading this:

Could Dick Cheney Go to Prison?

By Ray McGovern, Consortium News. Posted July 18, 2009.

Cheney seems to fear that if our system of justice works, he could be in for some serious, uncommuted jail time.

http://tinyurl.com/m7vq3w

"First of all, I'm not a republican and I have no idols unlike you Obama worshipers."

When you write like a stinker and quck like a stinker you are a stinker.

I have never been a fan of Obama but I am willing to give him a chance to take a few years to clear up a mess by American stinkers who now claim they were never really stinkers so much as critical of anyone who tries to deodorize the country of the stench produced by the right wing stinkers.

Fred, you are stinker. You demand that Obama clear up a mess made by others and when he fails to do so instantly it is proof positive that he is every bit as incompetent as the jerks who fouled up the whole world in the name of conservatism American style.

I am fairly certain that your criticism of Obama is based on a combination of racism, envy and personal incompetence. Had you any solutions to the problems brought upon this nation by the right wing, I am sure you would have run against Obama and shown America your magical ability to heal its wounds in 100 days or less. You would never allow Congress to impede your progress in making America into the next Shangrila.

Your need to be critical of Obama on a 24/7 basis bespeaks a personal mental defect of some sort.

Personally I mistrust anyone who appears to be charismatic. I was never a fan of Bill Clinton but I did appreciate his leaving behind a $5 trillion surplus which that faux Harvard MBA Bush made into a $10 trillion deficit before our very eyes while piously explaining that the GOP is the party of fiscal responsibility.

I make it about you because no matter what the topic you attack Obama without any concession to what is being discussed. That makes it apparent to me that your agenda is warped and is personal in some respect. Such persistence indicates anguish that can only be relieved by incessant attacks. Please a mental healtcare professional and get some Haldol to keep you from such suffering.