David Corn

Well Flan, it looks like DC just answered your question about the Obama torture camps in Afganistan.

CNN Poll: Bush, Cheney Popularity Grows

Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:48 PM

By: Jim Meyers

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are more popular now than they were soon after they left office, a new poll of Republicans reveals.

The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey found that 41 percent of respondents have a favorable impression of former President Bush, up from 35 percent in January.

Former Vice President Cheney's approval rating is 37 percent in the new poll, up 8 percent since February.

Cheney "seems to have burnished his image with his recent media appearances," The Hill newspaper observed.

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Wow! Another six months and Bush will have a better approval rating than Barry--

lol

Where's the outrage at Barry- Flan, Capt, Kalpal, Antidote, anyone? You can hear the birds chirping from the silence.

Under whose command were these torturous acts committed? Is it coninuing today under Obama's command? Is that what this was saying? I don't get it!!!

Maybe I should drink some more kool-aid. Maybe my friend Barry will fix me some!

Hey Barry!!! I need some lefty, liberal kool-aid please!

I love exclamation points!

That Scahill interview was eye-opening. I went to Democracy Now and read the transcripts. This needs to be investigated and I am outraged that it is continuing under Obama.

It doesn't matter who is doing it. I have never said I blanketedly supportted Obama. I do still support him. I don't think it is as bad as what Bush/Cheney did and mauch is still a hangover. He can't change everything at once.

But I would really want to know how much Obama was involved -how much he knew of what was going on to say more. Just like I want to know how much W and Cheney knew.

They should testify as I would want Obama to testify. Let's get W and Cheney in first though....Or they could testify at exactly the same time - this way they can't cancel out at the last minute and leave one to testify without the oner one going through with it.

It's like dealing with children. I tell 'ya.

It took me a while to go through the stuff you posted Frederick, but you never answered my questions. What are your positions on the issues. Can you state them without using the words liberal, lefty or Barry? Just asking..

.No references to articles and no quoting other people. Here, I'll go first.

I believe pay equality for all. A person's pay should not be affected by their gender, race, nationality, creed (or lack thereof), sexual orientation or anthing that we can think of now or in the furure. It should be based on the persons past and current performance.

Pay scales should be made available to all empoyees. This would eliminate the "don't share your pay with anone" lecture so many employees get from their employers.

Bill O'Reilly

For reporting that is an embarrassment to the profession of journalism, and for being beholden to corporate paymasters rather than the citizens of America.

This was a special week for the lowest of the low in the media. We had a lot of great nominees for Media Putz. This was a week where these people did NOT win: Glenn Beck for his "Hispanic chick lady" rant; Rush Limbaugh for comparing Sonia Sotomayor to David Duke; and G. Gordon Liddy on the issue of racism, bizarre translations of Spanish, and of course, his fear of menstruating.

No, this week was special because one media figure stood above all the others, even above the previously stated mess. That person is Bill O'Reilly.

O'Reilly skewered Dr. George Tiller 29 times on the air since 2005, often in unbelievable reprehensible style. On Sunday, Dr. George Tiller was assassinated in cold blood inside a church where he worked as an usher.

Often in his rhetoric, O'Reilly would launch into "Tiller, the baby killer, as some call him." Perhaps O'Reilly was correct, some may have called him that. But that speech pattern is prevalent in O'Reilly's work, expressing his own feelings about someone but hiding behind the "some people said" phrasing. After all, some people said O'Reilly wore a toupee during his "Inside Edition" days, but saying so doesn't mean it's true. In his traditional brand of cowardice, O'Reilly backtracked this week without admitting that he did. Though saying that you aren't backtracking means you probably are.

"No backpedaling here, madam [Mary Mapes]. Unlike you, I report honestly. Every single thing we said about Tiller was true, and my analysis was based on those facts."

But it's not true.

"Dr. George Tiller destroys fetuses for just about any reason, right up until the birth date."

Nope, Kansas law requires that two independent doctors agree that the mother would not be at risk of irreparable harm by giving birth.

"If you want to kill a baby, you hire Tiller. You've got to pay him $5,000 up front, and he'll kill the baby."

Tiller performed the procedure on girls as young as 10 who were victims of incest. It's doubtful that Tiller charged a 10-year-old girl $5,000 or demanded that up front before performing the procedure.

"This is the kind of stuff happened in Mao's China, Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union."

No, this isn't. Again, Kansas law -- a rather conservative state -- has careful procedures to make sure there are legitimate reasons for doing so. And the women who have these procedures aren't being forced into procedures by any government official. But again, when you compare something to Mao or Hitler or Stalin, you are often, often wrong.

But O'Reilly isn't interested in these women's stories. He was dismissive of their reasoning, even as O'Reilly wasn't even referring to specific instances. Disagreeing with a person's reasons for doing something is one thing, but when you don't even have the energy or concern to address them correctly, you undermine your own legitimacy.

When you listen to the stories of these women who wanted to be anywhere but where they were, of brains growing outside of skulls, of fetuses that were going to be born dead, you may not agree with them, but without that perspective, and the facts O'Reilly conveniently ignores, you can't make a true judgment on this story.
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I personally believe that government should stay out of abortion, for the most part. And they should pay for them for the poor - yes, I said it. It is a lawful, medical procedure. The decision to actually have an abortion should be left between the woman, her doctor, her significant other and her spiritual advisor, life coach or whatever. I am not entirely against certain regulations - as explained in this piece. Kansas, the state in which Dr. Tiller operated, has strict guidelines. He operated totally within the law.

I wish my sister was able to have her baby, but it was too deformed to live - but she had to go through picket lines and be mentally tortured by these "pro-lifers" when she had the procedure to terminate the pregnancy. I am just glad there wasn't a bombing there that day. I bet someone would say she would have reaped what she sowed.

CNN Poll: Bush, Cheney Popularity Grows

LMAO Did y'all catch THIS line in the post?...

"...a new poll of Republicans reveals." hahaha

That guy on Rachel Maddow put it just right (his book is something like "Idiot America"), saying the core or base of republicans are pared down from charcoal to the rarest of diamonds, or some such words to that effect. Only the true dumbest and most dedicated, the neocons, and rich warmongers are left... and they like chainee and bush more. That was a stretch. LOL

I'm still laughing at that post. Fredo, the gift that keeps on giving.

:lol:

I think Obama is playing the GOP - Lt. General Stanley McChrystal is not a horrible choice. Who in the chain of command under Bush wouldn't have the stain of torture and other issues?

Now the party of no (and oh noes) is faced with a yes?

Can the GOP be seen as approving of only their own? It makes the resistance to democratic appointments look very partisan and the GOP talking points fade away into the abyss. The break can't come soon enough for them I bet. (politics is hard work you know)

I can only think of one real important one . . I think it cements Sotomayor before the first Monday in October

Interesting piece.

Thanks!

(and lollers too!)

bush wins, at least at the district court level

U.S. court dismisses suits in warrantless wiretaps

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A U.S. District Court on Wednesday dismissed lawsuits against telecommunications companies in a warrantless wiretap case, ruling that former President George W. Bush's administration had properly requested the cases closed for national security reasons.

Companies including AT&T Inc and Verizon Communications Inc faced dozens of suits accusing them of improper participation in a warrantless wiretap program launched by Bush after the September 11 attacks.

http://tinyurl.com/qjgkqy

Hey, :Flan":

I am modereately pro-life, but totally abhor the assasination of Dr. George Tiller. There is no political issue in America, short of a removing a clearly tyrannical government, that calls for murder. When Tiller was performing legal abortions, he had a right to do so without sanction. However, killing late term babies who can survive outside the womb, makes him a performer of infanticide. Unless the woman has a truly serious physical threat to her life, abortions after 19 weeks should never be allowed. Additionally, Tiller often received the "two Dr. review and approval" from Drs in his own pratice or fellow abortionists. Not the intent of the KS law at all. Finally, Tiller refused to report cases of statutory rape to the relevant law enforcement authorities when performin abortions on girls under the age of 16. Truly, a Prince of a guy. Not of that justifies his assasination. I am praying for his family to continue their lives peacefully. Tiller will have to deal with God by himself and 60,000 aborted lives.

Off-topic: In Appalachia, many families can't afford to feed their children properly, so their school lunches are the only decent meals they get. Hence, when school lets out for summer, those kids are SOL.

One of the tasks of the Christian Appalachian Project is to feed those youngsters when school's out. If you think you can spare them any money, their website is www.christianapp.org .

A poll of Republicans about Republican lying scum is much like a poll of neoNazis about the how wonderful Germany was for one and all between 1932 and 1945.

Anyone who believes that Cheney or Bush was doing something good for this country is a thundering dolt.

There has never been in the past 50 years any Republican administration that was not operated by felons or idiots, sometimes by both at the same time.

As far as the current administration goes I am still waiting for the 2010 elections to see what has been done and what has worked. I know that with a McCain administration we'd surely be starving as a country by now while Palin would be lecturing this country on the constitution and the duties of the Veep as she understands them.

I have held for years that the GOP is 100% bad and the Dems are 99.5% bad. Nothing that has happened recently has changed my mind.

I also hold that nayone who spends his time trying to tear down someone working to clear up the pile of doodoo left to us all by those womderful conservatives who mishandled 2 wars and the entire economy, is worried sick that the cleanup crew might just succeed.

Don't worry. No one will remember that you were wrong. Republicans never remember that their elected officials are felons & they will not remember that their supporters are.... well, you know what they are.

If you don't believe abortion is okay - don't get one.

Trying to impose your "choice" on a woman - any woman at any time is out of your hands no matter what you think or how sure and sincerely you think it.

Same with gay marriage. If you don't think gay marriage is a good thing - don't marry a gay person.

Simple as that.

Respect the laws we all live under or become a criminal.

Capt - I agree with you 100% If any of you live in NY, please write to your state senators and urge them to vote in favor of gay marriage. It's up for a vote now!