Cheney Is Right: Unleash the Docs!

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At the White House press briefing on Monday, CNN's Ed Henry asked a question that I had tried to put to Obama's press team on Friday, after press secretary Robert Gibbs had declined to call on me: Where are those torture documents Dick Cheney wants?

The ex-veep-who-won't-go-away has been saying in interviews that he's requested the release of two classified CIA documents that supposedly outline all the essential intelligence that was produced by torture-assisted interrogations. (He, of course, does not call it torture.)

In response to Henry, Gibbs had no information to share. "I'll check on where that is," he said.

And then he pivoted to launch a political attack on Cheney:

I've been struck, Ed, in watching the former President and the former Vice President take markedly different views to their lives post their administration. I think many have. And I think the answer that he gave to the future of the Republican Party picking Rush Limbaugh over Colin Powell was an illuminating answer about what you're going to see going forward....I think you've got a series of ideas and a series of thoughts that in many ways the last election was about and the last election rejected. I think going forward -- they're essentially going forward by looking backward. And if the Vice President believes that's a way of growing and expanding the Republican Party, then we're happy to leave him to those devices.

But what about those docs? On Face the Nation this past Sunday, Cheney said:

I made a request that two memos that I personally know of, written by the CIA, that lay out the successes of those policies and point out in considerable detail all of --all that we were able to achieve by virtue of those policies, that those memos be released, be made public. The administration has released legal opinions out of the Office of Legal Counsel. They don't have any qualms at all about putting things out that can be used to be critical of the Bush administration policies. But when you've got memos out there that show precisely how much was achieved and how lives were saved as a result of these policies, they won't release those. At least, they haven't yet.

Cheney is right--did I just say that?--that those documents ought to be released. After all, if he wants them public, they cannot contain secrets that would compromise national security, right? He wouldn't do that. Not just to score political points.

But the public does have the right to see what happened with this program. And they ought to know whether or not Cheney's assertions are accurate.

There have been glimpses of what's in the CIA safes. . On Sunday, The Washington Post reported that the Senate intelligence committee is "examining hundreds of CIA e-mails and reviewing a classified 2004 study by the agency's lawyers of dozens of interrogation videotapes" and that this study may be declassified and released by the White House. One of the recently released Bush Justice Department memos did note that this CIA report had concluded that there was no solid evidence that the use of waterboarding and other harsh interrogation practices had yielded intelligence gold. It suggested the record was rather non-definitive.

Which makes me wonder about Cheney's request. Do those documents really say what Cheney believes they say? Maybe he's not remembering them correctly. Perhaps they were a bit selective. Could they be more conclusive than the top secret 2004 report, which was based on over 100 interviews, a review of the interrogation videotapes, and nearly 40,000 pages of material?

In any event, I hope Cheney get what he wants--the release of those memos--and much, much more. That would entail the disclosure of the 2004 study, the emails, and anything else that is relevant. Why stop at just two documents?

This all goes to a point I made two weeks ago: It's more important to have a full-scale investigation of the use of torture by the Bush administration that produces a thorough public accounting than it is to have a prosecution. The citizenry truly deserves to know if Cheney is telling the truth.

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    Comments

  1. "I hope Cheney get what he wants--the release of those memos--and much, much more."

    No doubt.

    "How is the world ruled and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read."

    Karl Kraus (1874 - 1936)

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 7:25 AM

  2. White House To Declassify “Holy Grail” Torture Report That Could Undercut Cheney

    http://tinyurl.com/qqprea

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 7:28 AM

  3. Cheney will never testify, he writes, for he is the poster boy of bluster, bluff and buffoonery. And, it could be added, a bully and coward who spoke of how crucial the Vietnam War was while it raged, but exempted himself repeatedly from fighting it. He may well opt now, too.

    http://tinyurl.com/r8mz7e

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 7:33 AM

  4. Cheney's approval numbers: 18%
    Limbaugh's approval numbers: 26%
    Powell's approval numbers: 80% (Rasmussen), or, 54% (CBS/NY Times).

    Either way you slice it, Colin Powell is more popular than Cheney and Limbaugh combined.

    http://tinyurl.com/o9sag9

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 7:34 AM

  5. Has he applied under the FOIA that he and thr rest of the party hates so much ? Na.

    Posted by: xrepublican Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 10:44 AM

  6. Read "Legacy of Ashes" the history of the CIA by Tim Weiner, if you want to know what happened to those memos. They were destroyed or buried so deep it will take 20 people 20 years to find them and Cheney knows this, in fact he is counting on it.

    Posted by: GG Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 12:03 PM

  7. Mr. Secrecy's ego is so massive that he will continue to spin lies as long as he thinks he has an audience.

    He is indeed "That Vile and Loathsome Creature."

    He is the the Darth Vader of his generation.

    He is that cowardly, sniveling wimp who would continue to extoll the merits of the Vietnam War while doing everything he could to avoid military service.

    Posted by: Antidote Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 12:28 PM

  8. Cheney is taking on the entire Obama administration single handidly and kicking ass!

    Boy wonder has thin skin and can't take it~ at least not like a man!

    Posted by: freddie Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 1:12 PM

  9. The Speaker of the House has come up with yet another reason for why she didn’t say anything about waterboarding at the time:

    Pelosi defense: couldn’t object in ‘03

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi learned in early 2003 that the Bush administration was waterboarding terror detainees but didn’t protest directly out of respect for “appropriate” legislative channels, a person familiar with the situation said Monday.

    The Pelosi camp’s version of events is intended to answer two key questions posed by her critics: When, precisely, did she first learn about waterboarding? And why didn’t she do more to stop it?
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    After Cheneys vindicated by releasing all memos we need to release Pelosis memos and then prosecute the liar!

    Posted by: freddie Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 1:54 PM

  10. PRUDEN: Even a messiah loses his training wheels


    By Wesley Pruden (Contact) | Tuesday, May 12, 2009

    Disconnecting the training wheels is a scary prospect for every apprentice biker, even with Daddy standing close by. We can sympathize with Barack Obama's fright as his moment approaches. It's not easy suddenly being on your own, paying the price of falling with your own skinned knees and bruised elbows.

    Nevertheless, the dreadful moment approacheth. Anticipating D-Day, Peter Orszag, the president's budget director, said Monday that the scarier than expected economic news - the deficit out of control, tax receipts down and costs of bailouts and "stimulus" plans up - is all the fault of George W. Bush: "It's an economic crisis President Obama inherited."

    But Mr. Obama has already been president for more than a hundred days, and passing the hundred-day mark, irrelevant milestone as it may be, was cited as dead-solid proof that the president is the messiah he told everyone he was. Reality, however, has begun to cast a shadow over the White House, still as faint as the bright golden haze on the meadow but visible enough. "Blaming George" still makes a tingle run up the legs of all the hymn-singing true believers, but outside the embrace of the cult, that tingle is beginning to sting instead.


    This is Mr. Obama's government now (own it!)................

    Posted by: freddie Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 3:13 PM

  11. The Decline of The Conservative Intellectual


    http://tinyurl.com/o7y96y

    Posted by: capt Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 3:23 PM

  12. Cheney is saying this precisely because no one can check him on this vague statement. His administration controlled our fear glands with information only they were privy to and was mostly fabricated. He continues to get a lot of mileage in public opinion by saying "If you only knew what I know"....

    Posted by: MichaelFromMI Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 4:05 PM

  13. Speaking of decline... I found this clip of Fredo isolated and alone, with his way of thinking.

    http://tinyurl.com/re354r

    Posted by: Alan Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 4:21 PM

  14. GM shares tumble to lowest level since (the last) depression


    Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:48:29 AM ·

    Shares of General Motors Corp. tumbled to their lowest level since 1933 Tuesday morning as investors feared significant dilution of their stock values or bankruptcy as the company approached a June 1 restructuring deadline. In early trading, GM shares dropped to $1.09, the lowest level since April 28, 1933, according to the Center for Research in Security Prices at the University of Chicago. By midmorning they had rebounded to $1.12, still down 32 cents, or 22.2 percent. GM has received $15.4 billion in federal loans and is a little more than two weeks away from a government-

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    Obama the nations top auto CEO at Government Motors at work for the people........

    Posted by: freddie Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 7:24 PM

  15. House No. 2: Explore Pelosi interrogation briefing
    By LARRY MARGASAK – 1 hour ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The House majority leader reluctantly agreed Tuesday that congressional hearings should investigate Speaker Nancy Pelosi's assertion that she wasn't informed, more than six years ago, that harsh interrogation methods were used on an al-Qaida leader.

    Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., called Republican challenges to Pelosi's assertion a diversion from the real question of whether the Bush administration tortured terrorist suspects. Nonetheless, he acknowledged the controversy should be resolved.


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    Send the lying wench to GITMO...........................

    Posted by: freddie Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 7:26 PM

  16. CIA Director Leon Panetta said during his confirmation hearings that even the Obama administration might use some of the enhanced techniques in a "ticking time bomb" scenario. What will the administration do now that it has shared the limits of our interrogation techniques with the enemy? President Obama's decision to release these documents is one of the most dangerous and irresponsible acts ever by an American president during a time of war -- and Americans may die as a result.

    Posted by: freddie Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 7:31 PM

  17. This ones for you Alan, there's still hope for ya bro!


    May 11, 2009

    Letter of Amends from a Recovering Liberal in Berkeley
    By Robin

    Dear friends, family, loved ones, conservatives, Republicans, libertarians, my brother in law, Sam, and my cousin Joe: I am sorry and you were right.

    These are not easy words for anyone to utter, much less a leftist from Berkeley, or a recovering leftist, that is. Even though I've been in recovery for 14 months, 2 weeks, and 3 days, leftists are always right in your face, in an I-hate-you-if-you-disagree sort of way. Hence, this letter of amends to all the people I've lectured, scolded, ranted and raved at, and otherwise annoyed during my 30 plus years of "progressive" politics.

    My recovery program urges a fierce moral inventory, a cleansing of heart and mind (kind of like a "forgiveness tour" but without the scary dictators), so here goes:

    To my brother in law, Sam, for blasting you in that Chinese restaurant for voting for Reagan, mea culpa.

    To my cousin Joe for calling you a traitor when you became an MBA, started holding a real job (as opposed to most of us Berkeley types who are psychotherapists, massage therapists and aromatherapists), and became a conservative, my bad.

    To my goddaughter whom I told when she was l0 years old that Republicans were bad, Democrats were good (yes I really did say this), and who got confused and tearful because she lives in a suburb where most people are Republicans, kid, what in the world was I thinking?

    To my leftist friends, with whom I agreed that 9/ll was the US's fault, you and I were all such jerks.

    To those potential friends whom I dumped when I found out you were conservative, your gain is my loss.

    To all those columnists and editors whom I harangued with angry letters and e mails, sorry, sorry, sorry.

    And finally to me, Robin, for installing you for the last 27 years in the far left cult of the People's Republic of Berkeley, where Patty Hearst was kidnapped by the SLA, where the Black Panthers had their violent beginnings and the heads of the Black Muslims are jailed for murder and rape, my apologies, girl.

    I didn't know any better. I thought the whole world lived in areas where the streets are filthy, aggressive street behavior is allowed because the perps are victims of capitalism, and where you can easily get mugged walking down a street or eating in a restaurant at noon. (By the way, with the Left in charge, expect gangs, crime, indoctrination of 5 year olds and general anarchy to be coming soon to a neighborhood near you.)

    Posted by: freddie Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 7:37 PM

  18. Given that the media is pretty much censored (good luck finding a conservative book in your local "independent" book store or hearing a Republican speak anywhere), you didn't know that a party of grown ups even existed that didn't advocate screaming at others as the preferred mode of communication. So to my dear Robin, apologies for what I put you through, what I deprived you of, and my pledge to do better.


    Cousin Joe, Sam, et al, you may be wondering how I did a l80 in 1 1/2 years. How did I go from a rabid, sanctimonious liberal whom you steadfastly avoided at family gatherings to a fan of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Savage? Recovery encourages us to share our story, so here's mine:


    In February of 2008, I saw a new client, a bright and sensitive young woman who came in looking like she just escaped a war zone. In some ways she had; she had innocently shared with others at her job that she voted for Hillary rather than Obama. Immediately she was being targeted for abuse that put her in fear for not only her job, but her life.


    We both suddenly became aware that something had grown really dark in the Democratic Party. I started hearing about many other incidents where loyal Democrats were being physically and emotionally threatened for supporting Hillary. A woman in Berkeley had her front window broken because it displayed a poster of Hillary. Randi Rhodes, an Air America talk show leftist, called Hillary a f______ witch. (Rhodes was recently promoted to a national talk radio show, illustrating another disturbing trend: the deafening silence about what Rush Limbaugh has dubbed the new "thug-ocracy.)


    An acquaintance had her car broken into, and the only item stolen was a NoObama bumper sticker. A South Park episode featured an episode where a nuclear weapon was being aimed at Hillary's genitals. My local greeting card store sold very flattering cards about Obama, insulting ones about Hillary, and a Hillary "nutcracker." When I complained, the young male manager literally laughed in my face.


    Things went from bad to worse when Sarah Palin entered the scene. When Geraldine Ferraro ran for Vice President, there was no debasement of her character, no sexual threats. But with Palin, a full scale "wilding" ensued that chillingly reminded me of the random sexual attacks on women by gangs of men in New York. She was called every vile name in the book by both male and female liberals.


    Actress Sarah Bernhardt hoped a gang of black males would rape her. When Palin's church was torched with children inside, the press was missing in action (somehow I imagine the press would have been all over this if Obama's church were torched). Not only was the misogyny disgusting, but the classism was abhorrent. The Democrats, by ridiculing Palin's voice and her education, were acting like arrogant snobs. The party had changed, I had changed, and the differences looked irreconcilable.


    The final straw for me was when a close friend flew into a rage at me when she learned I wasn't supporting Obama. The political became personal when she began impugning my character. Worse yet, she tried to intimidate me into changing my mind by threatening to dump me.


    Suddenly a light went on. The peace and love and flower power of the old left was dead and gone (if it even existed to begin with except in my imagination). The Democrats had morphed into a power hungry Thought Police, and I was done with them. My new motto in life: don't PC on me.


    So this is my letter of amends, and I hope that I can be forgiven by all whom I've offended. I knew not what the heck I was doing. But now the problem is: how in the world does one be a conservative these days? How to stay brave and committed when conservatives are being targeted, punished, and shunned on a daily basis? How to sleep at night knowing that the country I have finally come to love may be destroyed from within by a massive Big Brother government?


    I guess I'll just have to do a step one, as we 12 stepper's call it, and turn it all over to my Higher Power.


    Love,


    Robin

    Posted by: freddie Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 7:39 PM

  19. Democrats: CIA is out to get us


    By MANU RAJU | 5/12/09 6:28 PM EDT

    Dems, including Sens. Dick Durbin, Dianne Feinstein and Carl Levin, charge that the CIA has released documents about congressional briefings on waterboarding in order to deflect blame away from itself.

    Democrats charged Tuesday that the CIA has released documents about congressional briefings on harsh interrogation techniques in order to deflect attention and blame away from itself.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    No shit? Morons!

    Posted by: freddie Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 7:49 PM

  20. I dunno if the link of Fredo worked or not. I THOUGHT it did earlier, but it didn't just a minute ago. I hope this doesn't screw up the alignment... here's the link without shortening.

    http://crooksandliars.com/medialoader/8228/eeb39/wmv/KillerW
    halesNotForFarming.wmv

    Posted by: Alan Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 8:35 PM

  21. haha So it STILL doensn't work, unless you copy the whole thing (including the non-link line below it) and paste it in another tab or window.

    Posted by: Alan Author Profile Page | May 12, 2009 8:51 PM

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