In criticizing Barack Obama's national security speech, my fellow CQPolitics.com blogger Bill Pascoe argues that the president has lost the Gitmo debate. He writes:
Obama was explaining, in a defensive posture, how it was that he found himself whipsawed between, on the one hand, a MoveOn.org Left that wanted Gitmo burned to the ground the moment he took his hand off the Bible, and, on the other, a Congress that wanted no part of explaining to its constituents why their local jail might be fortified to hold Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
I don't deny that Obama has had a difficult week. But that's largely because GOPers and Dick Cheney were being successful demagogues and fear-mongerers. When they whip up the anxieties of constituents about bringing KSM and other bad guys into the United States, they are being disingenuous.
RIght now, a bunch of terrorists already are being held here. Most, as I've noted elsewhere, are locked up in the supermax prison in Florence, Colorado. That's most likely where the worst Gitmo detainees will be sent--or to a new facility like Florence but built in another location. No doubt, the people who live nearby the Florence prison have grown accustomed to residing in the vicinity of the incarcerated Ramzi Yousef, Jose Padilla, Zacarias Moussaoui, Richard Reid, and other evildoers. As Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said on Friday, "There's a lot of fearmongering about this. We've never had an escape from a supermax prison, and that's where these guys will go."
Sure, politics ain't fair. And your opposition is under no obligation to stick to facts and reason. So Obama is still compelled to figure out how to defeat the phony NIMBY attack being waged by congressional Republicans and Cheney--and that has been enabled by nervous-nellie Democrats, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. (Note to Reid: there are no federal prisons in Nevada.)
Meanwhile, let's remember when considering the grand Obama-Cheney debate that Cheney's approval ratings remain lower than that of swine flu and that--as the Obama gang rightfully points out--his absolutist take on national security was at times vigorously challenged when he was veep by others within the Bush administration. By the way, on Friday, former Bush Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge told CNN he disagreed with Cheney's assessment that America is more vulnerable to an attack under President Obama. And Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell declined to embrace Cheney as a national security spokesman for their party.
In any political debate, the side that can scare folks usually has a leg up. GOPers did make political hay by telling people they would not let Obama put KSM next door to them or their granny. But that's not the real argument. Pundits can score the Gitmo dust-up a political win for the GOPers and Cheney. But if they celebrate this momentary victory for the Republicans, they are cheering the triumph of BS over facts on a national security matter of true importance.
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Comments
DC,
Obama opened the door to Cheney when he started blaming Bush Cheney for all his inherited problems like a whiner instead of a leader.
Now Cheney is schooling Obama in politics 101 like he did Lieberman and Edwards in VP debates.
By the way building another super max prison? Really? How ya gunna pay for that? Another stimulus package,since the first and second one work so well, why not?
Posted by: freddie
| May 22, 2009 3:34 PM
After Spiro Agnew had to resign the vice presidency for accepting bribes while he was governor of Maryland, I didn't think that I would ever see a worse VP. But, Cheney has plunged the Office of the VP to a new low.
His legacy will be one of lies, torture, and support for war profiteering. A sneering bully who talked tough, but couldn't even muster up the balls to serve in the military when it was his turn.
Hell, he can't even handle a shotgun properly.
He will be remembered rightly as the worst VP in our country's history.
Posted by: Antidote
| May 22, 2009 4:24 PM
Freddie, 99.9% of Obama's troubles are the fault of Cheney/Bush.
No need for another supermax. Place all the prisoners in Cheney's undisclosed bunker and weld the door shut. Be sure that Cheney is in there with them.
Posted by: kalpal
| May 22, 2009 8:36 PM
Stuff happens. Granted 44 stepped in it by not presenting a plan for Gitmo, but it's still a glaring shmear of hypocrisy to let it stand. Perpetual detainment (on American soil) thru a tribunal, doesn't sound very inviting either. Ship em' to Montana where they need the work, or send em' to Chavez!
BTW, Cheneys' hot air = fearmonger, fearmonger, fearmonger = same old, same old, same old...
Posted by: tsmith144000
| May 22, 2009 9:56 PM
The only people who take anything Cheney says seriously are inside the beltway drones or idiots.
*brushes shoulder*
Posted by: capt
| May 23, 2009 9:21 AM
Cheney's assertions of lives saved is hard to prove
Arguing against Obama's policies, he says that the Bush administration's approach to terrorism spared 'perhaps hundreds of thousands.' Experts say no evidence of that has emerged.
http://tinyurl.com/oummpt
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And yet the M$M give Cheney his own bully pulpit to spew his lies.
Hmmmmm
Posted by: capt
| May 23, 2009 10:10 AM
Establishing the connection between the Bush White House and Abu Ghraib
Denying that White House policy was directly responsible for the vile abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib has been the central goal of a five-year disinformation campaign by Bush officials. 'Torture Team' author Philippe Sands argues that newly-disclosed records show how blatantly Bush officials were willing to lie in order to lead reporters away from the truth. Eighth in a series of articles calling attention to the things we still need to know about torture and other abuses committed by the Bush administration after 9/11.
http://tinyurl.com/qpe8b4
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Facts are facts. Cheney has created a false reality for so long he just started believing his own lies.
Posted by: capt
| May 23, 2009 10:19 AM
From the comments at the link above:
""We’ve got what amounts to a reverse Nuremberg defense, where Bush administration officials are let off the hook because they were only giving orders.""
Posted by: capt
| May 23, 2009 10:23 AM
Liz Cheney's Pro-Daddy Media Blitz
[...]
That's 12 appearances, in nine and a half days, spanning four networks. (On today's "Morning Joe," Liz Cheney was on for an entire hour -- effectively becoming a co-host of the program.) And this is just television, and doesn't include Liz Cheney's interviews on radio or with print media.
There's no modern precedent for such a ridiculous arrangement. Dick Cheney launches a crusade against the White House, and major outlets look for analysis from Cheney's daughter? Who everyone already realizes agrees with everything he says about torture?
This is just crazy.
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The SCLM strikes again!
Posted by: capt
| May 23, 2009 10:26 AM
Cheney Seeks Book Deal on Bush Years and More
http://tinyurl.com/qtwfxu
"Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book."
~ Ronald Reagan
Posted by: capt
| May 23, 2009 9:43 PM
Cheney’s daughter Liz revealed that fear of prosecution is indeed a motivating factor in the former vice president’s current media campaign:
L. CHENEY: I don’t think he planned to be doing this, you know, when they left office in January. But I think, as it became clear that President Obama was not only going to be stopping some of these policies, that he was going to be doing things like releasing the — the techniques themselves, so that the terrorists could now train to them, that he was suggesting that perhaps we would even be prosecuting former members of the Bush administration.
Watch it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJDbGfzuD4
Posted by: capt
| May 23, 2009 9:55 PM
Freddie, 99.9% of Obama's troubles are the fault of Cheney/Bush.
No need for another supermax. Place all the prisoners in Cheney's undisclosed bunker and weld the door shut. Be sure that Cheney is in there with them.
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Only one problem Kal Pal, The current moron VP Biden has already disclosed where the secret bunker is, which makes it no longer a secret!
Posted by: freddie
| May 23, 2009 10:12 PM
Intel experts: Dick Cheney was wrong about Bush administration moves
WASHINGTON - Former Vice President Dick Cheney’s high-profile speech Thursday defending the Bush administration’s policies for interrogating suspected terrorists contained omissions, exaggerations and misstatements, according to intelligence officals and the historical record, including:
Cheney said waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques produced information that “prevented the violent death of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people.” He also quoted Director of National Intelligence Adm. Dennis Blair as saying the information gave U.S. officials a “deeper understanding of the al-Qaeda organization.”
In his statement April 21, however, Blair said “these techniques hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security.” A 2004 CIA inspector general’s investigation found no conclusive proof that the information helped thwart any “specific imminent attacks,” according to one of four secret Bush-era memos released last month. And FBI Director Robert Muller said in December that he didn’t think that the techniques disrupted any attacks.
http://tinyurl.com/qeqvq9
BS over facts.
Posted by: capt
| May 24, 2009 9:27 AM
For GOP, A Southern Exposure
Republican strength in the South has both compensated for and masked the extent of the party's decline elsewhere.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/cs_20090523_2195.php
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Maybe Cheney lying about everything will help?
Posted by: capt
| May 24, 2009 9:29 AM
Deep Thought
Why is Dick Cheney's daughter the only person he can find to go on TV to defend him?
--Josh Marshall
Hmmmmmm?
Posted by: capt
| May 24, 2009 9:40 AM
As for Cheney, I'm no longer convinced we'd be better off if he just slunk back to his undisclosed location and left the running of foreign policy to the incumbent administration.
It has taken some adjustment to get used to watching the formerly reclusive veep clawing for airtime with the likes of The Donald and Britney. But no one caricatures Cheney as deliciously, or makes the case for Obama's slightly more nuanced perspective as articulately, as Cheney himself, and I've begun to enjoy his TV appearances the way I used to enjoy watching Wile E. Coyote unpacking the Acme Company's latest bird-catching technology.
Meep meep!
http://www.freep.com/article/20090524/COL04/905240403/?imw=Y
Posted by: capt
| May 24, 2009 10:38 AM
RIDGE: I think a lot of our commentators are being shrill. I mean, I don't disagree --
JOHN KING: Rush?
RIDGE: Yes, Rush Limbaugh has an audience of 20 million people. A lot of people listen daily to him and live by every word. But words mean things and how you use words is very important.
KING: I want to be clear, though. You think Rush is among those being too judgmental, too shrill?
RIDGE: Well, I think Rush articulates his point of view in ways that offend very many. It's a matter of language and a matter of how you use words. It does get the base all fired up and he's got a strong following. But personally, if he would listen to me and I doubt if he would, the notion is express yourselves but let's respect others opinions and let's not be divisive.
Let's lead our party based on some principles that have been very much a part of who we are for decades. And let's be less shrill in terms of -- and particularly, let's not attack other individuals. Let's attack their ideas. Let's explain in a rational, thoughtful, responsible and reasonable way why our ideas and our approach are more acceptable and why they should be more acceptable to the average citizen.
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No no no - please GOP never change - you're just so right . . . lol
Posted by: capt
| May 24, 2009 10:43 AM
Dick Durbin pwns Newt over Nancy Pelosi and the CIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaqjboQo7xg
Posted by: capt
| May 24, 2009 6:05 PM
I say let Cheney keep on blathering. Simply blog about what he omits and his lies.
Had Cheney been willing to release his own office papers, I might have had some sympathy for him. Rumor has it that he shredded most of his documents before he left office. Since he is neither part of the executive or the legislature according to his staff lawyers, he is not bound by either the constitution nor by any laws or treaties ever created by this nation or any others. He is in fact lawless, reckless, amoral unethical and lacking in integrity. (He is the essential conservative Republican.)
Posted by: kalpal
| May 25, 2009 8:02 AM
Liz Cheney considering run for public office?
The Washington Monthly’s Steve Benen has been keeping a close watch on Liz Cheney, noting that the ubiquitous daughter of the former vice president “practically lives on cable news” these days. “She also lies routinely, accuses the president of helping terrorists, and is so mindless in her attacks on the nation’s elected leadership, she’s something of a national embarrassment,” Benen writes. And according to close friends of hers, she may be the next Cheney to run for office:
“She’s awesome. Everyone wants her to run,” said a close friend. [...]
“She’s a chip off the block!” said a longtime friend. [...]
“It’s a two-fer. She comes off a bit better than he does sometimes,” a conservative consultant said.
Asked about the possibility that Liz Cheney might make a run for office, Republican operative Karl Rove responded, “She might!” Watch it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IplaZHZebiE
Posted by: capt
| May 25, 2009 3:36 PM
The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey, released Monday, suggests that 70 percent have a favorable opinion of Powell, who was Secretary of State during President George W. Bush's first term, and who served as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Persian Gulf War.
Only 30 percent of those polled have a favorable view of Limbaugh, the popular conservative radio talk show host, with 53 percent saying they hold an unfavorable opinion.
In poll numbers released Thursday, 37 percent say they have a favorable opinion of Dick Cheney, with 55 percent indicating they hold an unfavorable view of the former vice president.
http://tinyurl.com/rckmc7
Posted by: capt
| May 25, 2009 7:39 PM
Something about fooling some of the people all of the time...
Posted by: David B. Benson
| May 25, 2009 8:04 PM
Fear just never gets old for those who call themselves "conservative".
The only way I can think of to put an end to the fearmongering is to Cheney (or whichever person is fearmongering at the moment) a scared little child and tell him to go hide behide his mommy's skirt while the adults sort things out.
Fear is not working so well anymore, and I think this tactic will actually work. If it doesn't work, it will at least feel good.
Posted by: incredulous
| May 26, 2009 8:51 AM
If you want to worry about something, don't worry about being the victim of a prison escapee. Your chances of being struck by lightning are considerably higher.
That won't stop the fearmongers, of course. Remember Willie Horton?
Posted by: wvmcl
| May 26, 2009 9:06 AM
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